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« on: December 21, 2005, 04:27:28 AM »
"Perhaps ironically," Krieger says, "research shows that the general distress and depression among law students is not mitigated by high grades, nor is dissatisfaction among lawyers mitigated by high salaries."

Obviously! I mean, people do not want to become lawyers for the big bucks!

[...] He explains that the primary thrust of legal education teaching students how to think like a lawyer is so pervasive that students and lawyers alike find themselves analyzing everything in their lives, at the expense of relationships, values, and spirituality.

Althou I think I understand what the author means here, anyone's interpretation would be appreciated ;)

And when they feel the loss of things they used to hold dear, they typically keep their feelings bottled up. "There's a code of silence in the profession," Keeva says. "There's this fear of looking soft.

That fear is very real and I can already see so many students at my school opening up once I throw some "forbidden" word/idea ... it breaks my heart to see so many of my fellow students being desperately insecure and @ # ! * e d - u p by the whole law school experience!

While the practice of law is about relationships, Floyd explains, legal education devalues relationships and other emotional matters. "It is not just that we fail to teach students about relationship skills," she says. "Legal education actually diminishes or eliminates the ability to form and sustain relationships that students possess when they begin law school."

I am not surprised by this -- do they not say that the typical law student is a loser who has no life?!

The idea that lawyers help clients real people with real problems drops off the radar screen.

I don't know about others, but when I started law school I did not think law/lawyering was about helping clients.

Professor Barbara Glessner Fines of the University of Missouri-Kansas City reports that some faculty members equate humanizing legal education with lowering standards. "If you talk about lowering expectations, they say you're coddling into the profession people who aren't cut out for it," she says. "They say, 'If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.' But why can't you put a fan in the kitchen?"

I am not that sure about this fan thing! I mean, why not destroy the kitchen and eliminate for good the heat it produces?!

Even schools that attract the brightest legal minds in the nation could use a fan in the kitchen. A student essay in the Harvard Law Review in 1998 reported that by the second year, "a surprising number of Harvard Law students resemble 'the walking wounded': demoralized, dispirited, and profoundly disengaged from the law school experience. What's more, by third year, a disturbingly high number of students come to convey a strong sense of impotence and little inclination or enthusiasm for meeting the world's challenges head on." [...] "Students think they were wrong about what law is all about," she says. "They think their initial vision was naive, so they have to give it up." That leads to a deep sense of loss and a numbing resignation to the system.

Well, I guess that's the kind of obedient puppy that's needed as cook for that kitchen to function!

"The older-school professors believed that first year should be like boot camp tough as nails, and professors should never be nice to students," he says.

I say make the first year of law school absolutely horrendous -- I mean, you've got these students who'll become lawyers one day with some of them becoming the sort of state actors who will not hesitate to kill, cage, and impoverish their fellow citizens on what are deemed institutionally appropriate occasions ... How can you afford to treat 'em nicely?!

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