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3L job search / Re: Rejected?
« on: October 13, 2006, 09:41:32 AM »
Is this going to look really bad in future interviews?  If they ask why I didn't get an offer, what should I say?

As a general rule, yes, it looks pretty bad to get a no-offer.  In your case, however, I think you can explain the situation in a way that will erase most of the stigma.  When asked about the summer, I'd start by enthusiastically describing the work you did, and how much you liked all the attorneys, staff, etc.  Then explain that the firm unexpectedly found that it would be unable to make any offers in the transactional department. At this point, whip out the fabulous LOR and encourage them to give your summer firm a call.

I'll reiterate that I think it's critical to speak positively about your summer experience - don't let any bitterness creep in to the conversation.  You can express disapointment, of course, but the general theme should be that you had a great summer, got great feedback, looked forward to a long, prodcutive career there, but that unfortunately the firm had a business downturn. 

Good luck... 

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General Board / Re: Gilbert vs. E&E
« on: May 01, 2006, 09:27:10 PM »
E&E varies in quality from subject to subject, but generally speaking they give a decent, but very basic, overview of the law. I have found them useful to acheive a B- or B level of understanding, but don't count on them for much more than that.

The table of contents of your casebook combined with the course syllabus is the best outline to use.

The Lexis Nexis "Understanding _______" books can also be pretty good.

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General Board / Re: Do BIGLAW firms recruit outside T14 schools?
« on: January 21, 2006, 10:25:46 AM »
5. virgina, michigan, penn (bottom 1/3 who are not minorities are usually out of luck, and if you are bottom 1/2 and not mr./mrs. personality you will have trouble.
6. northwestern, duke, ucla, georgetown (similar to 5, but students are in ever so slightly worse shape) bottom 1/3 almost never get a big firm job and bottom 1/2 have real trouble.  top 50% are set.
7. cornell and boalt (bottom 50% almost never get big firm jobs).  firms really do not like the bottom 1/2 at berkley because boalt uses unconventional criteria to select student body (LSAT not that important)  for boalt the top 50% actually do as well as the schools in group 5, and better than the schools in group six, but the bottom 50 do significantly worse.  cornell students in top 50% do really well in the ny market (but terribly nationally), bottom 50% almost always out of luck.

What planet are you living on? Bottom 50% at Cornell/Cal almost never get big firm jobs? Simply NOT TRUE. Take a look at the % employed at graduation numbers for the T14, and then take a look at the 25%/75% salary numbers. Those numbers (at least when I was following them 2 years ago) showed that most of the T14 schools have ~95% employed at graduation, and the bottom 25% are making 125K. If objective data isn't your thing, I can tell you that I go to one of the above mentioned schools, and almost anyone that wants BIGLAW gets it. You won't get Vault 5 from the bottom of the class, but Vault 200? Certainly. 

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I've just completed my first year of LS after working for 5 years after UG. My BA was in political science from a very small, non-descript LAC. My advice/comments are as follows:

1. If you are not 100% emotionally invested in attending law school, you will be at a huge disadvantage relative to your peers. I cannot describe to you how completely taxing the experience is. You need to be focused and passionate to succeed.

2. If you are not 100% emotionally invested in being an attorney, this is likely not only to manifest itself in any interview situation, but also increase the odds that you will be miserable once you do find a legal job.

3. If you were considering NYU or Columbia instead of NYLS, it might be worth it to suck it up becasue of the tremendous financial (and other) opportunities that top-flight law schools offer. From NYLS, however, you can certainly succeed, but you are going to have to scrap and fight for it. You may find yourself 3 years later, 100K in debt and have a job starting at 30K - 60K.

4. You can do just fine in this world without a law degree. Your parents are flat wrong. 

5. Going to LS has NOTHING to do with succeeding in politics. If you are interested in politics, get involved in a political party or cause, volunteer in your community (park board, library board, etc).


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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Outlining
« on: April 10, 2005, 10:16:28 AM »
Students at my school sell outlines to you. For 20 bucks or so. As far as buying actual books from bookstores, be them commercial outlines or canned case briefs, it is advisable to go to another law school in your area to get them.

Wow, that's pretty cold to charge people. Here, people post them online and there are usually several very good ones posted for each class.

In addition to filling in the gaps in my own outlines, I have also found them to be a priceless way to be more prepared when called on, as you can often discern beforehand what the professor is really going to focus on in class.

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