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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: mikefear on January 04, 2008, 07:40:14 PM

Title: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: mikefear on January 04, 2008, 07:40:14 PM
I am getting a lot of emails from schools after my scores were released.. do they bother offering if they don't have an actual consideration of entertaining the application?

Really had no desire to do any post-graduate work, so I partied and had a good time.  then I decided i'd do something with my life so I kicked my own ass into gear and pull all my crap together.  I worked through 90% of my undergrad, as well and was finally diagnosed with ADD about 3 years in and got put on some meds which helped my focus/ability to get things done.. I could have gone back and had those old grades expunged, but I felt it was a cop out :(.

Here's an example of the change in my grades..
 +  3)  GENERAL UNIVERSITY RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT:               
        30 OF THE LAST 36 HOURS IN RESIDENCE             
       ( 36.00 HOURS TAKEN)12 COURSES TAKEN    3.500 GPA

What kind of schools can I expect to get into.

155 LSAT Dec 07
2.5 GPA (was really bad, but almost had straight A's my last 4 semesters of undergrad -- an upward trend like you wouldn't believe)
Hispanic URM

I'm also a bit ignorant to the whole URM thing.. how much does it really help?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: stateofbeasley on January 04, 2008, 07:53:31 PM
http://officialguide.lsac.org/

You can search for schools with admissions ranges containing your GPA/LSAT.

What might give you more options is taking a couple years to work and taking an LSAT prep class to boost your score.  Having professional work experience is a good thing for the following reasons: (1) You look more seasoned and mature to the adcoms (2) It makes your resume look better when you interview for jobs while in law school.  (3)  You have work experience to fall back on if you have a hard time finding employment after law school. 

Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: mikefear on January 04, 2008, 07:57:32 PM
Thanks.  How should I adjust my score when doing that search to compensate for the URM status?
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: mathlete on January 04, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
Should have focused a little more on your LSAT. Or was that because of your "condition"?
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: botbot on January 04, 2008, 08:43:18 PM
A mid-tier 2 would probably let you pay them $35k a year.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: mikefear on January 04, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
Should have focused a little more on your LSAT. Or was that because of your "condition"?
Actually there was a NCAA football bowl game going on outside my testing room and LSAC didn't bother changing facilities.  Made it tough to concentrate with drunken hooligans running by the room at 9:30am.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: mikefear on January 05, 2008, 12:42:28 PM
bump
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: botbot on January 05, 2008, 10:07:45 PM
bump

You are not self-aware.  You are whiny/excuse filled.

Enjoy full priced tier 2.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: lukemonty81 on January 05, 2008, 10:50:03 PM
Make sure Law School is something you really want.  If it is then go ahead and do some solid research, your going to need these skills to become an attorney anyway. For example my numbers are similar to yours but I have been a NY State Trooper for a few years and I also worked with AIG for  two years in a legal capacity.  I'm looking at Pace and Touro as safety nets.  Hofstra and St. John's as possibles and Brooklyn as a long shot.  Be realistic with yourself.  Good luck with everything.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: mikefear on January 06, 2008, 11:42:56 AM
bump

You are not self-aware.  You are whiny/excuse filled.

Enjoy full priced tier 2.
lol, I'm glad you were able to shrink me from a few posts on a message board.  Freud would be proud.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: botbot on January 06, 2008, 12:35:20 PM
bump

You are not self-aware.  You are whiny/excuse filled.

Enjoy full priced tier 2.
lol, I'm glad you were able to shrink me from a few posts on a message board.  Freud would be proud.

I stand by my assessment.

Your URM will get you into the Tier 2 (barely).  You will almost certainly get no money.  You will graduate with a ton of debt and poor job options.  I would not go to law school if I were you.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: stateofbeasley on January 06, 2008, 05:03:05 PM
mikefear,

botbot's assessment is very harsh, but I think you should listen to him (or her).  With your #'s, it is unlikely that you will get any scholarship money, even from a low ranked school.

I strongly recommend that you work for a few years and take an LSAT prep class.  The professional experience will make you much more marketable to law firms, and a higher LSAT score will give you a better shot at scholarship money.

If you really want to go to law school, be smart about it.  Mortgaging your life to a $150,000 debt for 30 years could be one of the worst mistakes ever.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: lp1283 on January 07, 2008, 08:47:51 AM
bump

You are not self-aware.  You are whiny/excuse filled.

Enjoy full priced tier 2.
lol, I'm glad you were able to shrink me from a few posts on a message board.  Freud would be proud.

I stand by my assessment.

Your URM will get you into the Tier 2 (barely).  You will almost certainly get no money.  You will graduate with a ton of debt and poor job options.  I would not go to law school if I were you.

I don't think this is harsh, it is the awful truth. I'd take this as constructive criticism. Dunno if the OP should give up completely but I applaud botbot for getting the point across.

My GPA sucks and I know it and take full responsibility so thats why I'm studying my lil' URM bum off for the LSAT.

ADD is overrated.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: $Bill on January 07, 2008, 10:08:47 AM
well, consider instate in upper t3 or perhaps rutgers if they take you.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: yoyodawg on January 07, 2008, 12:38:31 PM
mikefear,

botbot's assessment is very harsh, but I think you should listen to him (or her).  With your #'s, it is unlikely that you will get any scholarship money, even from a low ranked school.

I strongly recommend that you work for a few years and take an LSAT prep class.  The professional experience will make you much more marketable to law firms, and a higher LSAT score will give you a better shot at scholarship money.

If you really want to go to law school, be smart about it.  Mortgaging your life to a $150,000 debt for 30 years could be one of the worst mistakes ever.

Its amazing to me the amount of people who believe that its not worth going to lawschool unless you go to a T-14 or get a scholarship from a T-2. This is just ridiculous.

The average person who goes to lawschool doesn't have either of these options, and they will still make a lot more money over their lifetime by going to law school than if they would have not gone to lawschool.

Idiots..
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: lp1283 on January 07, 2008, 01:21:17 PM
Thats not what he/she said. I think he was just pointing at the debt issue not whether its not worth going if you can't get into t2/t14.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: yoyodawg on January 07, 2008, 02:05:06 PM
Thats not what he/she said. I think he was just pointing at the debt issue not whether its not worth going if you can't get into t2/t14.

No he said that it would get the OP into a T2, but since he'd have debt, he would regret it and therefore should not go to lawschool.

This is a foolish statement. You're still better served by going to lawschool and coming out with debt than not going to lawschool and regreting it later on in life.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: Manda262 on January 07, 2008, 02:17:03 PM
I agree with yoyodog.  I've been reading this board for a month or two and I'm sick of the T14 snobs who look down on anyone no applying to Boalt.  If you really want this, then work for it and do it.  But don't blame ADD and Football games...you totally control your own destiny. 

Personally I'm heading to a T2-ish school and proud of it. 
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: stateofbeasley on January 07, 2008, 04:05:29 PM
I agree with yoyodog.  I've been reading this board for a month or two and I'm sick of the T14 snobs who look down on anyone no applying to Boalt.

This has NOTHING to do with snobbiness and EVERYTHING to do with economics.  For the record, I graduated from Temple University School of Law in 2006.  This is a Tier 2 school with a good regional rep, but nothing special nationally.

Suppose the OP gets into Syracuse Law.  The OP's LSAT/GPA aren't spectacular, but he is sort of within Syracuse's range.  http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx (http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx)

Tuition is $41,000/year for the current 1L class.  http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx (http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx)

Living expenses (housing, food, books, supplies, insurance, transportation) are estimated to be $16,175/year.  http://www.law.syr.edu/financialaid/attendance_costs.aspx (http://www.law.syr.edu/financialaid/attendance_costs.aspx)

That's a total of $57,175/year to attend. 

Assume that the OP receives no scholarship $, which is reasonable because his #'s are not very high for Syracuse.  Assume that inflation is sufficiently low that living costs do not appreciably increase over the next 3 years.

So the OP would have to borrow about $171,525 to pay for 3 years of law school. 

If the OP borrows $61,500 in Staffords at 6.8% fixed http://www.finaid.org/calculators/loanpayments.phtml (http://www.finaid.org/calculators/loanpayments.phtml) and the rest (110,025) at 8% fixed on a federal PLUS loan.  This is about 7.57% interest on the total. 

The finaid.org calculator says:

Loan Balance:  $171,525.00 
Adjusted Loan Balance:  $171,525.00 
Loan Interest Rate:  7.57%
Loan Fees:  0.00%
Loan Term:  30 years
Minimum Payment:  $50.00 

 
Monthly Loan Payment: $1,207.56 
Number of Payments:  360


 
Cumulative Payments:  $434,721.64 
Total Interest Paid:  $263,196.64 

$1,200/month IS NOT a fun amount to pay off for 30 years.  This doesn't even take into account that the PLUS loans accumulate interest while you are in school.  It's downright awful if you get a job at a small firm making 43k/year.

Suppose further that the OP decides to work for a small firm or government office in Philadelphia, for $43,000/year. After paying federal, state, and city wage tax (4.26% as of 1 Jan 2007), OP will be taking home a meager $607.55/week, or about $2,600/month [calculated at paycheckcity.com, assumptions: single taxpayer, 2 exemptions, PA resident living in Philadelphia County].

Paying 46% of your after-tax salary to service loans is horrible.  You can only get a tax deduction for $2500 in interest.  And people wonder why lawyers start doing document review.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: lp1283 on January 07, 2008, 04:29:14 PM
I agree there are some bitter t14 snobs whining about how they haven't got into HYS yet on this site that make the "not even in 25% of a t14" feel like burnt crap. But, everyone is going to have an opinion. He should of saw this coming, in a land full of over-achievers, i.e. people who have worked their ass off to get into law school. I for one am not surprise by these responses. C'est la vie.

In the end, whatever you choose to do mikefear is your decision not ours.  

P.S. Go Stateofbeasley

Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: yoyodawg on January 08, 2008, 07:46:35 AM
I agree with yoyodog.  I've been reading this board for a month or two and I'm sick of the T14 snobs who look down on anyone no applying to Boalt.

This has NOTHING to do with snobbiness and EVERYTHING to do with economics.  For the record, I graduated from Temple University School of Law in 2006.  This is a Tier 2 school with a good regional rep, but nothing special nationally.

Suppose the OP gets into Syracuse Law.  The OP's LSAT/GPA aren't spectacular, but he is sort of within Syracuse's range.  http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx (http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx)

Tuition is $41,000/year for the current 1L class.  http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx (http://www.law.syr.edu/overview/facts.aspx)

Living expenses (housing, food, books, supplies, insurance, transportation) are estimated to be $16,175/year.  http://www.law.syr.edu/financialaid/attendance_costs.aspx (http://www.law.syr.edu/financialaid/attendance_costs.aspx)

That's a total of $57,175/year to attend. 

Assume that the OP receives no scholarship $, which is reasonable because his #'s are not very high for Syracuse.  Assume that inflation is sufficiently low that living costs do not appreciably increase over the next 3 years.

So the OP would have to borrow about $171,525 to pay for 3 years of law school. 

If the OP borrows $61,500 in Staffords at 6.8% fixed http://www.finaid.org/calculators/loanpayments.phtml (http://www.finaid.org/calculators/loanpayments.phtml) and the rest (110,025) at 8% fixed on a federal PLUS loan.  This is about 7.57% interest on the total. 

The finaid.org calculator says:

Loan Balance:  $171,525.00 
Adjusted Loan Balance:  $171,525.00 
Loan Interest Rate:  7.57%
Loan Fees:  0.00%
Loan Term:  30 years
Minimum Payment:  $50.00 

 
Monthly Loan Payment: $1,207.56 
Number of Payments:  360


 
Cumulative Payments:  $434,721.64 
Total Interest Paid:  $263,196.64 

$1,200/month IS NOT a fun amount to pay off for 30 years.  This doesn't even take into account that the PLUS loans accumulate interest while you are in school.  It's downright awful if you get a job at a small firm making 43k/year.

Suppose further that the OP decides to work for a small firm or government office in Philadelphia, for $43,000/year. After paying federal, state, and city wage tax (4.26% as of 1 Jan 2007), OP will be taking home a meager $607.55/week, or about $2,600/month [calculated at paycheckcity.com, assumptions: single taxpayer, 2 exemptions, PA resident living in Philadelphia County].

Paying 46% of your after-tax salary to service loans is horrible.  You can only get a tax deduction for $2500 in interest.  And people wonder why lawyers start doing document review.

More doom and gloom. Nice. You've picked the worst possible hypothetical. You could flip it around just as easily. What if the OP doesn't get a scholarship at first, but then he gets a scholarship after he does well in lawlschol? What if he works as a summer associate during his 1L and 2L year, and works as a law clerk at a local firm his 2L and 3L year and uses that money to pay his living expenses during the school year? What if the OP only graduates with less than 80K in debt because of this? What if the OP gets a six-figure a year job coming out of lawschool? What if he pays off his loans in 5 years because of his high income? What if this in turn allows him to do what ever he wants with his career path after this? What if, what if, what if....You can bring up hypotheticals all day long.

To the OP: If you want to go to lawschool, go to to lawschool.  Its been my experience that if you want to do something, then you should just do it. You never know whats going to happen until you actually do it.  Up until the point of action, everything is just a hypothetical.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: Navlaw on January 08, 2008, 08:20:26 AM
I think a lot of it depends on why you want to be a lawyer. If you actually want to practice law and don't mind a little sacrifice in order to do something you love, then go ahead and go to law school. But if you are going because you can't do anything else with your college degree and you figure lawyers get paid well, then you might want to rethink your decision.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: botbot on January 08, 2008, 08:28:30 AM
Getting a scholarship while in law school is incredibly rare.  (there is really no benefit to the school to give these scholarships)

His loans will not be paying living expenses over the summer, he will be using most of his income over these summers to pay his bills.  (Small law SAs do not make much).


I am NOT saying that he should not go to law school, only that I wouldn't go to law school in his situation.  I have been the champion of those minimizing debt by attending second and third tier law schools on scholarship, but this is not the case here.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: yoyodawg on January 08, 2008, 09:18:46 AM
Getting a scholarship while in law school is incredibly rare.  (there is really no benefit to the school to give these scholarships)



I have received a partial scholarship since beginning law school. Its because I have done quite well in school. If you have a high enough rank in school, they will reward you with a scholarship. The benefit to the school is that they are retaining talent.

Also, I like how you assumed the OP could only work as a "small law" SA.

Anyway...if you work as a law clerk DURING the school term, you can make money to offset living expenses. I worked as a summer associate at a small law firm the summer after my 1L year, and I continued working there during 2L year. This helped out quite nicely. I then worked at a large firm as a summer associate after my 2L year. I had money left over from that gig that I used during the first semester of my 3L year. (Notice: These aren't hypotheticals, they are actual facts)

I'm glad you're a "champion" of minimizing law school debt. You must fancy yourself as the Clark Howard of law school. How did you attend law school? Did you have a free ride, or did you go to a T14? How does that make you self-proclaimed champion? Does it make you feel better about yourself as opposed to the person that had to pay for his or her school to accomplish their dream of becoming an attorney?

Not everyone has a great LSAT score or has a great GPA coming out of undergrad. People's life stories are not the same. People take different paths to law school. Just because someone can't attend a T-14 or get a full ride somewhere does not mean that they shouldn't go to law school. If you want to be an attorney, you should just bite the bullet and do it. Law school is a second chance for many. You shouldn't be afraid to attend just because of the possibility of some debt. 
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: botbot on January 08, 2008, 09:26:09 AM
Congrats on doing well in law school, you must (at the very least) be in the top 15% of your class.  You rolled a seven, but the op might not be so lucky.

PS: I assume you kept your work to a minimum during the school year, don't get ABA-pwned.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: stateofbeasley on January 08, 2008, 03:17:53 PM
More doom and gloom.

whatifwhatifwhatif...

The difference between your "whatif" and my calculations is that my calculations are the typical case while yours are the extreme exception.  Only 10% of the class makes the top 10%.  From a T3 school like Syracuse, a shot at that 6-figure job probably requires top 5% or even top 2%. 

If you think your scenario is so great, show me some big scholarships that schools give after admissions.  Give some links to biglaw firms that hire 1L summer associates from T3 schools like Syracuse. 

I've shown hard numbers and real calculations.  You've shown absolutely nothing save one anecdote.


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Its been my experience that if you want to do something, then you should just do it. You never know whats going to happen until you actually do it.  Up until the point of action, everything is just a hypothetical.

Great! That's exactly the strategy of people who took out subprime mortgages!  I want a house!  I'll buy it!  Who cares what my earnings are and what the interest rate will be next year!  I want a plasma TV even though I have no job!  I'll put it on a credit card!  Taking actions without weighing the risks is an easy way to get into huge trouble.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: stateofbeasley on January 08, 2008, 03:29:08 PM
Does it make you feel better about yourself as opposed to the person that had to pay for his or her school to accomplish their dream of becoming an attorney?

I'll tell you exactly how I feel: I see friends and co-workers barely able to make ends meet, struggling along with six figures of debt.  They've mortgaged their lives and they are miserable.

A select few made it to the top.  This is perhaps 10-15% at most.  They can pay off their loans in ten years.  The rest are not so lucky.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: MorningLattes on January 08, 2008, 07:04:16 PM
My 2 cents:

Try to get some work experience after undergrad. That will not only boost your resume but will also allow you to save up some money to either pay off existing loans or use to help pay for future law school costs.

Take a prep course to boost your LSAT. Even a five point increase will help a lot.

A 160/2.5 with WE + URM looks a lot better then 155/2.5 fresh from UG.

And also: Kill your personal statement! Talk about the person behind the numbers, about adversity and resiliency, and a determination to overcome obstacles- just make a bold statement.

Good luck!  :)
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: yoyodawg on January 08, 2008, 09:39:21 PM
More doom and gloom.

whatifwhatifwhatif...

The difference between your "whatif" and my calculations is that my calculations are the typical case while yours are the extreme exception.  Only 10% of the class makes the top 10%.  From a T3 school like Syracuse, a shot at that 6-figure job probably requires top 5% or even top 2%. 

If you think your scenario is so great, show me some big scholarships that schools give after admissions.  Give some links to biglaw firms that hire 1L summer associates from T3 schools like Syracuse. 

I've shown hard numbers and real calculations.  You've shown absolutely nothing save one anecdote.


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Its been my experience that if you want to do something, then you should just do it. You never know whats going to happen until you actually do it.  Up until the point of action, everything is just a hypothetical.

Great! That's exactly the strategy of people who took out subprime mortgages!  I want a house!  I'll buy it!  Who cares what my earnings are and what the interest rate will be next year!  I want a plasma TV even though I have no job!  I'll put it on a credit card!  Taking actions without weighing the risks is an easy way to get into huge trouble.

You're totally right...ha!

What you've shown is the same crap you show on your "blog."

Whatever man. Continue to sprout your doom and gloom. Aren't you a practicing attorney? (allegedly) No wonder you're so miserable. You waste your time posting on an internet chat board when you should be out hustling clients. But then again, that would require social skills....

Note to everyone who wants to actually be a successful attorney: YOU NEED SOCIAL SKILLS!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't, then you'll be like "stateofbeasly" and have to pump up your own self-worth on an internet chat board.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: stateofbeasley on January 09, 2008, 03:51:52 AM
Note to everyone who wants to actually be a successful attorney: YOU NEED SOCIAL SKILLS!!!!!!!!!!!

I think this is true.  A former boss advised me that "half of all practice is getting clients".  That means a lot of networking with other lawyers to get referrals and getting out into the community to put your name out there.

yoyodawg, you still haven't provided any evidence as to why people should go to law school just because they feel like it.  If you were buying a house or a car, you'd want to compare prices, right?  You'd want to do some research and make sure there were no problems, right?

Merely insulting people, saying things like "You're totally right...ha!" are not going to win you any arguments, here or in the courtroom (try saying that to a co-worker or worse, a judge).
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: vercingetorix on January 09, 2008, 06:48:01 AM
Dude:
Please, please, please for your sake do not mention to a law school that you have "ADD".  This is the psych equivalent of fibromyalgia (i.e. you can almost hear the MD patting you on the head saying "there there little rabbit, there there, now you have something you can name and blame all of your problems on".) Your app is already weak as it is.  no one cares about upward trends in your gpa, all they see is the bottom line.  re-take the LSAT and score considerable higher (like mid-160's) or think about b-school (where they also won't care about your ADD).  Mind you, being diagnosed with a psychiatric condition can also adversely impact you when you apply to the bar.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: lp1283 on January 09, 2008, 06:55:20 AM
More doom and gloom.

whatifwhatifwhatif...

The difference between your "whatif" and my calculations is that my calculations are the typical case while yours are the extreme exception.  Only 10% of the class makes the top 10%.  From a T3 school like Syracuse, a shot at that 6-figure job probably requires top 5% or even top 2%. 

If you think your scenario is so great, show me some big scholarships that schools give after admissions.  Give some links to biglaw firms that hire 1L summer associates from T3 schools like Syracuse. 

I've shown hard numbers and real calculations.  You've shown absolutely nothing save one anecdote.


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Its been my experience that if you want to do something, then you should just do it. You never know whats going to happen until you actually do it.  Up until the point of action, everything is just a hypothetical.

Great! That's exactly the strategy of people who took out subprime mortgages!  I want a house!  I'll buy it!  Who cares what my earnings are and what the interest rate will be next year!  I want a plasma TV even though I have no job!  I'll put it on a credit card!  Taking actions without weighing the risks is an easy way to get into huge trouble.

You're totally right...ha!

What you've shown is the same crap you show on your "blog."

Whatever man. Continue to sprout your doom and gloom. Aren't you a practicing attorney? (allegedly) No wonder you're so miserable. You waste your time posting on an internet chat board when you should be out hustling clients. But then again, that would require social skills....
Note to everyone who wants to actually be a successful attorney: YOU NEED SOCIAL SKILLS!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't, then you'll be like "stateofbeasly" and have to pump up your own self-worth on an internet chat board.

So..

Did this make you feel better about yourself?

Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: yoyodawg on January 09, 2008, 10:42:57 AM
Note to everyone who wants to actually be a successful attorney: YOU NEED SOCIAL SKILLS!!!!!!!!!!!

I think this is true.  A former boss advised me that "half of all practice is getting clients".  That means a lot of networking with other lawyers to get referrals and getting out into the community to put your name out there.

yoyodawg, you still haven't provided any evidence as to why people should go to law school just because they feel like it.  If you were buying a house or a car, you'd want to compare prices, right?  You'd want to do some research and make sure there were no problems, right?

Merely insulting people, saying things like "You're totally right...ha!" are not going to win you any arguments, here or in the courtroom (try saying that to a co-worker or worse, a judge).

What evidence is there to produce? What prices can you compare? This is not the same as buying a TV or car or house. If you want to go to law school then you should. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR IT if you want to be an attorney. You have to attend law school.

One shouldn't be disuaded from attending school just because of some jacka$$ like yourself wants to tell them its too expensive. What are you, their mom?

The OP originally asked what his chances were. He didn't ask "is it economically feasible in todays society for me to attend law school?"  The guy wants to be an attorney. If you can advise him of another way to become an attorney without attending law school I'd ask that you provide that "evidence."
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: stateofbeasley on January 09, 2008, 05:34:30 PM
What evidence is there to produce? What prices can you compare? This is not the same as buying a TV or car or house.

You are missing the point.  All I am saying is that people need to do their homework before signing for a huge loan.  Comparing tuition & cost of living for different schools and weighing the costs v. the benefits is the prudent thing to do.


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The OP originally asked what his chances were. He didn't ask "is it economically feasible in todays society for me to attend law school?"  The guy wants to be an attorney.


If I had told friends on August 26, 2005 that I wanted to be in New Orleans in 2 days, and they had heard that Hurricane Katrina was likely to hit around then, I'd hope that they'd warn me.  Likewise, I think that most people would want to know if their actions could put them in a really bad financial position.

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If you want to go to law school then you should. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR IT if you want to be an attorney. You have to attend law school.
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because of some jacka$$ like yourself wants to tell them its too expensive. What are you, their mom?

More ignorance and irrelevant insults. 

In some states, you can take the bar without having attended law school.  http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0603/p13s01-lecs.html (http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0603/p13s01-lecs.html)

I'm done arguing with you.  People can weigh the #'s and links I've provided and make their own decision.
Title: Re: 155 LSAT, 2.5GPA, URM.. where can I go?
Post by: Soft Factors on January 17, 2008, 08:10:14 PM
I'm a 1L at Hofstra.

156 / 2.5 / URM

$15,000 in annual scholarship money and I did very well my first semester.

Best of luck!!

- SF