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Specific Groups => Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students => Topic started by: maricutie on September 29, 2004, 08:45:32 AM

Title: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: maricutie on September 29, 2004, 08:45:32 AM
It seems like the only posts here (for the most part) don't even begin to cover the particular issues that are pertinent to minorities in the law school application process. What gives? Where are all the minorities if not on the minority board? The LSAT board seems alive and well ...

For instance, I'm trying to figure out where I can get in with my numbers (3.7/166, although re-taking this Sat). Looking at the US News rankings, or using that calculator thing on the lsac website, isn't really accurrate for, say, the top 20 schools. Any ideas?

Another issue I'm having is writing the personal statement. Yeah, I could post this up on the PS board, but it seems like most people there might not necessarily relate --- it seems like most ppl there are trying to figure out how they're diverse, or emphasize that they're not just a WASP, etc. Generalizations, I know, but most ppl applying to law school DO, for the most part, fit into that category. So my dilemma is trying to figure out how to show my minority/disadvantaged status without playing the pity card, and without doing it like every other minority. Ex. grew up poor, first in family in college, etc, but this could be very many ppl of color. Again, any ideas?

Come on, ppl. There's not too many of us applying, so we really should help each other out here -- there don't seem to be very many other places where we can relate. :)
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: lexylit on September 29, 2004, 05:40:31 PM
i think there are a ton of threads you'd find helpful and relevant if you do a search within those other boards (the lsat one, the PS one, etc). a lot of people have discussed growing up poor and writing addenda to that effect, etc.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: Tobias Beecher on September 29, 2004, 06:45:16 PM
I just realized there hasn't been an AA thread for like a month or two now....

must be the LSAT....

Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: jgar030283 on September 29, 2004, 06:55:57 PM
There aren't many minorities that are in law school.On the black law student board there are a few folks that could help you. A few of them are 1L's and the others are about to go through the application process.I'm going through the application process myself and haven't really been able to find anyone around my school (that is a minority) and applying for this cycle as well.You'll find this to be true as you finish law school and enter into the professional world as well.Many racial minorities and even women have problems with mentoring when they enter a firm.This is mainly because the legal field has always revolved around a "good ol' boy" system and probably will continue to do so.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: SuperMoni on October 06, 2004, 05:35:56 AM
I disagree.  I don't see how the adcomms could really roll their eyes reading a heartful immigration or disadvantaged essay **and how you overcame it, etc**  The point of the PS is to let them more about you as a person and of course that has a major effect on shaping you.  However, you have to remember that it's not all a woe to me story and that you do have to also write how it's effected you and why it makes you good for law school.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: maricutie on October 06, 2004, 01:19:57 PM
Stoopwafel, I think I agree. That's the biggest challenge I'm facing right now .. so many ppl write about their poor high school, their ghetto background, etc., but I know that MOST of the ppl who write this are generally from a good background and are just exaggerating for the sake of being able to say that they can add a bit of diversity to the school. So, when you're one of the few who has actually gone through this, it appears as if you're one of the many. Sigh. But when I try not to write about this stuff, I find that I just can't -- the context of every story is important!
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: jgomez on October 06, 2004, 05:32:36 PM
I'm an asian american (not considered a minority in law school standards) and I can't stand threads like this.  Minority *&^%, AA *&^%.  It's like who gives a @#!*.  Just do your *&^% and apply.  If you are a minority, then great.  If not, your're not.  If you want to write about it, then write about it.

If you use the race card, then use it.  If not, then don't.  If you want to mark other, then do so.  If not, who gives a @#!*.   

If people are getting into schools by manipulating the system, who gives a @#!*.  There's nothing you can do about it, so grow the @#!* up.

If this *&^% bothers you, you won't make it in the real world.  Because whether you are at the restarant, work, whatever, race is a factor no matter what.  Everyone is racist to some degree, people just won't admit it.


 
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: SuperMoni on October 06, 2004, 08:26:15 PM
Hey sorry man I didn't mean to offend you by talking about minority issues.  People say "i'm playing the race card" yada yada, but you know what screw you guys because I didn't know how to speak english when i entered school, i never had anyone to help me with my homework or do anything for me.  Life as an immigrant is a lot harder then i think you can imagine if you've never gone through with it.  So go cry about being white or asian or whatever you are somewhere else, cause this post is genuinley helping some people out and your not one of them.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: DESI on October 06, 2004, 08:29:38 PM
I'm an asian american (not considered a minority in law school standards) and I can't stand threads like this.  Minority *&^%, AA *&^%.  It's like who gives a @#!*.  Just do your *&^% and apply.  If you are a minority, then great.  If not, your're not.  If you want to write about it, then write about it.

If you use the race card, then use it.  If not, then don't.  If you want to mark other, then do so.  If not, who gives a @#!*.   

If people are getting into schools by manipulating the system, who gives a @#!*.  There's nothing you can do about it, so grow the @#!* up.

If this *&^% bothers you, you won't make it in the real world.  Because whether you are at the restarant, work, whatever, race is a factor no matter what.  Everyone is racist to some degree, people just won't admit it.

Negative energy from an asian?   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


Hey sorry man I didn't mean to offend you by talking about minority issues. People say "i'm playing the race card" yada yada, but you know what screw you guys because I didn't know how to speak english when i entered school, i never had anyone to help me with my homework or do anything for me. Life as an immigrant is a lot harder then i think you can imagine if you've never gone through with it. So go cry about being white or asian or whatever you are somewhere else, cause this post is genuinley helping some people out and your not one of them.

SuperMoni (and anyone), I will be happy to discuss minority issues in law school.  I'm surrounded by a sea of white people, which honestly doesn't bother me, it just makes the LS experience a bit interesting.  That being said, I know some successful black 2L and 3Ls who are going to be BANK after graduation.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: jgomez on October 06, 2004, 08:50:10 PM
Negative energy from an asian?   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

All that negative energy locked up from not being able to show it BECAUSE I am asian.  >:(
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: Stroopwafel on October 06, 2004, 09:52:30 PM
Maricutie, ignore the angry rants. He may not have helped you but he is right to be a bit pissed. It feels like you can't win no matter what. If you get in as a minority, ten it is assumed that you couldn;t have passed muster otherwise, despite your numbers.

What I waned to tell you is that you cannot based the whole PS on the same immigrant/minority/poor thing. If those things are a given with regards to a standard topic for AA PSs then there has to be something else that you need to differentate you.

What about your specific immigrant/minority/poor upbringing lead you to want to pursue the study of law? What is it about society that you want to change? Was there something negative about your life expereince that you as a lawyer would hope to improve, rectify, or eliminate from the life stories of people that come after you.

But remember that zemogji has a partial point. Expect people to be racist unless proven otherwise. Don't expect anything special or better because you are a minority. Don't be surprised that if you get into law school then there will have been a deserving poor white trash that couldn't get in de to his/her skin. Which is equally unfair.

The most important part of stereotypes is breaking them or when you find them to be broken.  White Southerners did march in Selma after all. The Industral Workers of the World had anti-racist and pro-Asian policies in the 20s.

Just write your story Maricutie and honestly tell the addcomms why you want to be a lawyer. Just don't write what you think anyone else that is an immigrant/minority would write about.

Godspeed
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: cnkis on October 07, 2004, 02:22:19 PM
I'm a minority, but I don't want to say so on this board simply because people get very scary. I've been wanting to talk/write about my personal statement and what it should be about, but as was said above, it usually turns into this anti-minority attack and strays away from the topic. I've been looking at the numbers and it's really not that much easier as far as numbers are concerned. Just so everyone knows.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: muyaha on October 09, 2004, 03:33:14 AM
I am also a minority and a immigrant who came to the US during the civil war in El Salvador in the early 80's.  Why not bring up my background on this board before? Like others noted because many posters will try to turn it around on you or into an anti-minority rant. 
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: DESI on October 09, 2004, 08:42:46 AM
the anti-minority rants are because people are insecure about their ability to get into law school on their own merits, and feel the need to attack minorities because we supposedly take their spots in law school
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: Tobias Beecher on October 09, 2004, 10:14:12 AM
I'm an asian american (not considered a minority in law school standards) and I can't stand threads like this.  Minority *&^%, AA *&^%.  It's like who gives a @#!*.  Just do your *&^% and apply.  If you are a minority, then great.  If not, your're not.  If you want to write about it, then write about it.

If you use the race card, then use it.  If not, then don't.  If you want to mark other, then do so.  If not, who gives a @#!*.   

If people are getting into schools by manipulating the system, who gives a @#!*.  There's nothing you can do about it, so grow the @#!* up.

If this *&^% bothers you, you won't make it in the real world.  Because whether you are at the restarant, work, whatever, race is a factor no matter what.  Everyone is racist to some degree, people just won't admit it.


 

Seriously....

minority this, AA that......

Stop the f-ing whinning!

 ::)
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: jgomez on October 09, 2004, 04:37:24 PM
And what are you going to do about it, punk?  ;)

I'm an asian american (not considered a minority in law school standards) and I can't stand threads like this.  Minority *&^%, AA *&^%.  It's like who gives a @#!*.  Just do your *&^% and apply.  If you are a minority, then great.  If not, your're not.  If you want to write about it, then write about it.

If you use the race card, then use it.  If not, then don't.  If you want to mark other, then do so.  If not, who gives a @#!*.   

If people are getting into schools by manipulating the system, who gives a @#!*.  There's nothing you can do about it, so grow the @#!* up.

If this *&^% bothers you, you won't make it in the real world.  Because whether you are at the restarant, work, whatever, race is a factor no matter what.  Everyone is racist to some degree, people just won't admit it.


 

Seriously....

minority this, AA that......

Stop the f-ing whinning!

 ::)
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: muyaha on October 09, 2004, 05:13:10 PM
the anti-minority rants are because people are insecure about their ability to get into law school on their own merits, and feel the need to attack minorities because we supposedly take their spots in law school


yah cause we all know there are no white males in law school or have JD's all ready.  Sarcasm over.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: Stroopwafel on October 15, 2004, 08:24:16 PM
I still think that you have to do more in your PS. Go above and beyond anything typical.
This is the way I see it. So coments are welcome as I think that positive comments can do nothing but help. Angry rants do not create progress.

I assume that if you are an immigrant/minority then the baseline for your PS will have something to do with your immigrant experience/background. Assume that every immigrant applicant will include this, so what makes your experience different. How will your experience make you a better law student and a member of the class. The more generic you sound, the less chance you have.
What more could you bring to the table as a representative of that particular immigrant group? If being an immigrant has nothing to do with your choice to become a lawyer, or attend that school, then wouldn't a stronger theme be better?

So you want to make this as specific and as pertinent to your law school choice. If your parents immigrated to escape martial law, as mine did, then how did that affect your decision to go to law school. (Does that law school offer a concentration that is one of your interests that stemmed from your immigration experience) Civil Rights, with International, with Immigration, with professors that are known scholars in that field, or a law curriculm that has many of these courses offered.

Bitterness, resentment, or any sort of victim mentality will not play well. Victims, and whiners are not going to become the leaders of the future. And if you are an immigrant/minority then you HAVE to prepare to be a leader/role model. How will you becoming a lawyer help America, and your respective group to become better Americans and more active participants in the system. Who will you be serving? If it is just yourself, then I think that you are doomed from the get go.

This is my take anyway, and this is the course and direction that I have been setting as I go about the process.
Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: vergin on July 26, 2009, 02:55:12 AM
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Title: Re: Where are all the minorities if not on this board?
Post by: disgruntled shovelbum on July 28, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
Yeah minority right here, just joined. Hoping to be ready for Sept LSAT, we'll see.