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Title: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on November 28, 2007, 04:06:53 PM
Meet, greet, mingle.

Ask questions.  Get answers.

All here in this, the best of the Class of 2011 threads.

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Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
Can we just skip the waiting and start now?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on November 28, 2007, 04:11:33 PM
Tag. Living vicariously...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on November 28, 2007, 04:12:13 PM
Can we just skip the waiting and start now?

Unfortunately, even we at Michigan are incapable of making time run faster.  I apologize.   :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: kirchner on November 28, 2007, 04:15:44 PM
Tag. Living vicariously...

Tag-tag.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 04:16:39 PM
Can we just skip the waiting and start now?

Unfortunately, even we at Michigan are incapable of making time run faster.  I apologize.   :-\

I know a certain clock operator at MSU that can make time run slower, but that's another matter entirely.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: bumblebeechewna on November 28, 2007, 04:22:09 PM
Summer starter here (regular poster on TLS)...thought I'd stop by to say hi! :-*

-BB
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on November 28, 2007, 05:10:29 PM
tag. (hope I did this right, first post. Only this thread could force me from a longtime lurker into a full-fledged member)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on November 28, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
tag. (hope I did this right, first post. Only this thread could force me from a longtime lurker into a full-fledged member)

Hello, and welcome!

Only four admits so far?  I expected more.  Go recruit your friends.  Come here.  Have good time and so on!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on November 28, 2007, 05:42:49 PM
Hi futute Michigunners!  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on November 28, 2007, 06:19:53 PM
Pikey - don't deter them from coming this early in the cycle!!

:P

Tag - (hi 2011's!)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on November 28, 2007, 06:22:19 PM
Pikey - don't deter them from coming this early in the cycle!!

:P

Tag - (hi 2011's!)

 ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on November 28, 2007, 06:25:04 PM
Question for Pikey, Pearl, and any other Wolverines: As someone who plans to practice in So Cal, I've done the research as far as which firms interview at Mich... but I was wondering about job prospects for 1Ls out of the state... say in So Cal, for example? Thanks in advance for answering... I've really been wondering about this. If I were to also get in to SC/UCLA, I would take this into account when I decide (though, I would definitely prefer overall to go to Michigan).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on November 28, 2007, 06:33:46 PM
number34 - for some of the not-as-popular markets I'm looking at, I've been told that being from Michigan as opposed to a local school is an advantage because instead of competing with 2/3 of your class for a spot, you're only really "competing" with other people from your class at Michigan that want to work at the same firm. Being only one of a few applicants from your top-ten school puts you in a lot better of a position than being one of, say, 25-30 from a lower-ranked school.

That being said, I have yet to land a firm job and am only a 1L, but that's what I've been told by 2Ls, 3Ls, lawyers in the market I'm looking at, and a couple of career services people. :)  Honestly, if you call admissions and ask them to put you in touch with a current student who plans to work in So Cal so you can ask them questions about it, they would totally be more than happy to do that for you.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on November 28, 2007, 06:34:55 PM
I should add that it really helps if you have connections to So Cal.

Also, could we get "current student" as an option on the poll? :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 06:38:41 PM
Hi futute Michigunners!  :D

I've got my hand up already!   :o
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on November 28, 2007, 06:42:35 PM
"Honestly, if you call admissions and ask them to put you in touch with a current student who plans to work in So Cal so you can ask them questions about it, they would totally be more than happy to do that for you."

Thanks for the quick reply/good advice. I'll for sure do that, and, fortunately, I do have So Cal connections

P.S. I'm looking forward to the bowling already
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on November 28, 2007, 06:50:38 PM
Question for Pikey, Pearl, and any other Wolverines: As someone who plans to practice in So Cal, I've done the research as far as which firms interview at Mich... but I was wondering about job prospects for 1Ls out of the state... say in So Cal, for example? Thanks in advance for answering... I've really been wondering about this. If I were to also get in to SC/UCLA, I would take this into account when I decide (though, I would definitely prefer overall to go to Michigan).

I'd definitely choose Michigan over USC or UCLA.  Michigan students go all over.  We actually send more students to the West Coast than any EC schools and more students to the East Coast than any WC school.  As long as you have ties to the state, you'll have no problem getting an job in Cali.  Even if you don't have ties, you can get a job, it might just be a little more difficult.  The benefit of Mich over USC or UCLA is that you'll be able to stand out from the crowd.  Since we go all over, we don't really saturate any single market like some other schools might.  Of course, being ranked higher doesn't hurt!

ETA: Pearl totally beat me.  Told you she's a gunner  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on November 28, 2007, 07:01:27 PM
Thanks for more good advice. And I see what you mean about Pearl! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on November 28, 2007, 07:03:37 PM
Also, could we get "current student" as an option on the poll? :P

No problem, plenty of time to change polls while I'm here not studying...

NOTICE:  This action will reset the poll.  Please respond again.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 07:07:21 PM
Does starting in the summer make it any easier to get a summer associate job after 1L?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on November 28, 2007, 07:20:36 PM
Does starting in the summer make it any easier to get a summer associate job after 1L?

I have heard that employers like it better because you have the extra semester. I don’t know how accurate this is though.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: bumblebeechewna on November 28, 2007, 07:22:02 PM
what is the best option for housing?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 28, 2007, 07:23:07 PM
So who are the other summer starters?  

I know about Ender and me but who else? (there are 5 on the poll)

It's hard to believe we'll be starting in six months, I'm excited/anxious/nervous.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 28, 2007, 07:27:39 PM
Does starting in the summer make it any easier to get a summer associate job after 1L?

This guy seems to think so... http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/michiganlaw3/

The school says there is a negligable difference but it could help because you have a writing sample and grades by August. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on November 28, 2007, 07:37:17 PM
Does starting in the summer make it any easier to get a summer associate job after 1L?

This guy seems to think so... http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/michiganlaw3/

The school says there is a negligable difference but it could help because you have a writing sample and grades by August. 

Could hurt if your grades suck.

Also, LET ME IN.

That's the key thing.  I think it can help because you have grades, more classes, etc, but it can hurt if those grades aren't so great!  I know 2Ls who had jobs before they even got their 1L grades, so it's can be a bit of a gamble.

what is the best option for housing?

Off campus!  I'm biased because I love living alone and wouldn't live in a dorm if you paid me.  That said, I know people who really like the LC and now that it's gotten cold it would be convenient to just roll out of bed and walk across the quad.  The benefits of off campus definitely outweigh the drawbacks, to me, but ymmv.  Feel free to ask any particular housing questions, though I think most of us on here live off campus.  At some point they'll send you info about "Housing Ambassadors", who live in various housing options and will also answer your questions.  Make sure you take advantage of them too.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 28, 2007, 07:42:06 PM
Does anyone know anything about the Phid house?  thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on November 28, 2007, 07:51:40 PM
I’m a summer starter. 

One nice thing about summer start is that you have one less class.  Definitely nice considering your first semester is the hardist, as I have heard.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 28, 2007, 07:54:38 PM
I’m a summer starter. 

One nice thing about summer start is that you have one less class.  Definitely nice considering your first semester is the hardist, as I have heard.

Yes, it should take a little of the load off.  I'm looking forward to being in AA about the only time of year when the temperature is above freezing. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 28, 2007, 07:56:46 PM
Yes, it should take a little of the load off.  I'm looking forward to being in AA about the only time of year when the temperature is above freezing. ;)

drinking season... mmmmm.

Haha, that's a good way to put it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on November 28, 2007, 07:57:51 PM
Does anyone know how the GPA/LSAT ranges for summer starters compare to the regular fall class.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 08:01:03 PM
Does anyone know how the GPA/LSAT ranges for summer starters compare to the regular fall class.

Well, the grads I work for who started in the summer (and amazingly there are quite a few) all say the summer-starters are the smartest.  Does that make it true?   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Suro on November 28, 2007, 08:05:49 PM
I'll be joining you guys this summer in all likelihood.

I'm a few years out of school and don't think I can take a dorm again. I'm planning on living off campus. It looks like a lot of places have May 1 lease begin dates.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dystopian Fiction on November 28, 2007, 08:21:41 PM
Hurrah! Status checker went to "decision" today, so I think I'm in as a summer starter..unless they are now rejecting ED candidates right off.  I am very interested in the Phid House (http://www.phidhouse.org/), which I understand to be some sort of nefarious skull-and-bones-type society.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on November 28, 2007, 08:22:18 PM
Ender Wiggin, are you for sure going to Michigan?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 08:23:55 PM
Hurrah! I think I'm in as a summer starter..unless they are now rejecting ED candidates right off.  I am very interested in the Phid House (http://www.phidhouse.org/), which I understand to be some sort of nefarious skull-and-bones-type society.

Yeah--I think you're right.  Congrats!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 08:25:22 PM
Ender Wiggin, are you for sure going to Michigan?

Depending on the aid package, I'm pretty sure.  It is definitely my first choice, but I have to make it work financially.  I'm pretty confident that those issues will work themselves out, though. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on November 28, 2007, 08:39:55 PM
Ender Wiggin, are you for sure going to Michigan?

Depending on the aid package, I'm pretty sure.  It is definitely my first choice, but I have to make it work financially.  I'm pretty confident that those issues will work themselves out, though. 

Michigan Law School is a glorious, glorious place.  You should definitely come.  And live off-campus for god's sake.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 28, 2007, 08:59:20 PM
Ender Wiggin, are you for sure going to Michigan?

Depending on the aid package, I'm pretty sure.  It is definitely my first choice, but I have to make it work financially.  I'm pretty confident that those issues will work themselves out, though. 

Michigan Law School is a glorious, glorious place.  You should definitely come.  And live off-campus for god's sake.



Any particular reason why you would suggest living off-campus?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on November 28, 2007, 09:04:01 PM
Ender Wiggin, are you for sure going to Michigan?

Depending on the aid package, I'm pretty sure.  It is definitely my first choice, but I have to make it work financially.  I'm pretty confident that those issues will work themselves out, though. 

Michigan Law School is a glorious, glorious place.  You should definitely come.  And live off-campus for god's sake.



Any particular reason why you would suggest living off-campus?

Eh, like Pikey said, it's a personal preference thing.  But I don't know anybody who chose to live off-campus who wishes they were on-campus.  And the law school listserv has had at least 2-3 people openly and desperately trying to sublet their lawyer's club place for the spring.  There's loads of housing (any of us would be happy to help point you in the right direction) that's nicer, allows you to cook for yourself, and is still only a 5-15 minute walk from school.  Also, you will have a twin XL in the Lawyer's Club, which means you'll have to go to Oasis Hot Tub Gardens to have sex. Also, around finals time (NOW!!!!ZOMG!!), many of your classmates will become certifiably insane and you, if you're sensible, won't want to be around them. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on November 28, 2007, 09:06:39 PM
Hurrah! Status checker went to "decision" today, so I think I'm in as a summer starter..unless they are now rejecting ED candidates right off.  I am very interested in the Phid House (http://www.phidhouse.org/), which I understand to be some sort of nefarious skull-and-bones-type society.

I don't know anything about Phid House, except that it's a secret organization and probably responsible for global warming, mass murders, and kitten deaths.  If you're into that, I would totally recommend it.

 ;)

Any particular reason why you would suggest living off-campus?

You're forced to pay for food if you live in the LC.  You can find places for significantly cheaper that will allow some of the money you're forced to spend on food at the LC to be spent on booze instead.  Living off campus is pure efficiency, people.

----------------------------------------------------

I am incredibly happy to see that my little thread already has 3x as many posts as the HLS 2011 thread, even though that one was started three days ago.  Simple pleasures, simple delights!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 09:10:37 PM

I am incredibly happy to see that my little thread already has 3x as many posts as the HLS 2011 thread, even though that one was started three days ago.  Simple pleasures, simple delights!

Well, are you really surprised?  We are all really excited to be going to a great school.  They're just going to Harvard.  (How's that for unsubtle?)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 28, 2007, 09:15:32 PM
Hurrah! Status checker went to "decision" today, so I think I'm in as a summer starter..unless they are now rejecting ED candidates right off.  I am very interested in the Phid House (http://www.phidhouse.org/), which I understand to be some sort of nefarious skull-and-bones-type society.

I don't know anything about Phid House, except that it's a secret organization and probably responsible for global warming, mass murders, and kitten deaths.  If you're into that, I would totally recommend it.

 ;)

Any particular reason why you would suggest living off-campus?

You're forced to pay for food if you live in the LC.  You can find places for significantly cheaper that will allow some of the money you're forced to spend on food at the LC to be spent on booze instead.  Living off campus is pure efficiency, people.

----------------------------------------------------

I am incredibly happy to see that my little thread already has 3x as many posts as the HLS 2011 thread, even though that one was started three days ago.  Simple pleasures, simple delights!

Well compared to the Mich 2010 thread we still have some work to do.  I guess we have a few months to work on it though...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on November 28, 2007, 09:16:09 PM
Also, a lot of people will talk up the social aspects of the lawyer's club.  From what I can tell that's mostly a giant load as well; unless you're pathologically anti-social, there will be no shortage of opportunities to hang out with people. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on November 28, 2007, 09:19:04 PM
Yeah, the only thing going for the LC is the location.

I woke up at 8:39 for an 8:45 class this morning, jumped in the car, parked out front, went to class (missed 2 minutes maybe), and then drove home to shower after class was over.  That's about as good as you could do in the LC and I live 15 minutes away.

Plenty of good, affordable housing in AA for cheap.  We found our place in March or April, no problem, and besides our sourpus neighbor, it's worked out great.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: bumblebeechewna on November 28, 2007, 09:32:24 PM
Pikey, do you feel isolated because you are not on campus and living alone? For undergrad, I have never lived on campus at a very residential type college and oftentimes I felt like school was more of a job
More likely than not, someone will have to point me in the right direction (like a loser) if I don't end up at the Lawyer's Club.
I'm a little worried about housing because I graduate in Mid-May and won't be able to come up until the 22ndish or later (is that abnormal?). As neurosis sets in...how much is nice housing for a 1bd/bath...and do people ride mopeds up there? I visited a friend in Wisc and it was kinda common and convenient...sorry for the bombardment :-[ and thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on November 28, 2007, 09:41:04 PM
The brochure for the LC they sent sounded really negative.

We can NOT accomodate vegan diets.
There is NO air conditioning.
NO space heaters, electric blankets, or other heating elements are allowed.


Besides the fact that I don't do dorms (anymore), the last one sealed it for me.  It averages in the 40's here most of the winter and I still need an electric blanket...I could never do a Michigan winter without mine!   :o

Well, lots of places won't have air conditioning off campus either.  And it was ridiculously hot here in the beginning of the year. I had to run to our first orientation event (left something at home and was late), and it was not a pretty scene.  Thankfully, I already had friends or it could have been dicey. 

Also, it's just like college. Nobody's going to stop you from bringing in an electric blanket or a hot pot, just don't burn the place down (speaking of, how does one sleep using an electric blanket? do you turn it off as you're getting drowsy? is it on all night long?).  PSA: I'd recommend eating an extra Blimpy burger every week instead of risking immolation by electric blanket.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on November 28, 2007, 09:48:14 PM
...and besides our sourpus neighbor, it's worked out great.

That record carries bragging rights with it, at least...


Best. 20-minute Party. Ever.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 28, 2007, 09:53:44 PM
nooooo... Blimpy makes the greasiest most disgustingly awesome burgers you can find in A2.   :)

Blimpie =/= Blimpy
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on November 28, 2007, 10:00:27 PM
Two reasons, each on their own sufficient, for coming to Michigan:

Crazy Jim's Blimpy Burger
Although not really a restaurant, no review on food in Ann Arbor would be complete without mentioning Blimpy's. Offering the greasiest and greatest burgers in Ann Arbor, this hamburger stand has a unique method of preparing its burger. Rather than making one large patty, Blimpy's makes several patties per burger.

When ordering, customers specify how many patties, beginning with double up to the quint burger. Crazy Jim's slogan is "Cheaper than food," and it is pretty cheap - five bucks will buy a triple burger, fries and a drink. But be careful - patrons have said that while eating, it is possible to feel your arteries tightening, and unofficial studies suggest that going more than once a month just could be detrimental to good health.

(from Michigan Daily)

Le Dog on Liberty.  Soup stand with dogs, polish & four - seven fresh and delicious soups that change every day.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on November 28, 2007, 10:00:52 PM
The brochure for the LC they sent sounded really negative.

We can NOT accomodate vegan diets.
There is NO air conditioning.
NO space heaters, electric blankets, or other heating elements are allowed.


Besides the fact that I don't do dorms (anymore), the last one sealed it for me.  It averages in the 40's here most of the winter and I still need an electric blanket...I could never do a Michigan winter without mine!   :o

Well, lots of places won't have air conditioning off campus either.  And it was ridiculously hot here in the beginning of the year. I had to run to our first orientation event (left something at home and was late), and it was not a pretty scene.  Thankfully, I already had friends or it could have been dicey. 

Also, it's just like college. Nobody's going to stop you from bringing in an electric blanket or a hot pot, just don't burn the place down (speaking of, how does one sleep using an electric blanket? do you turn it off as you're getting drowsy? is it on all night long?).  PSA: I'd recommend eating an extra Blimpy burger every week instead of risking immolation by electric blanket.



I kind of figured a lot of places up there wouldn't have AC.  It was just kind of funny how the brochure was worded, almost as if they were trying to scare people away (or at least make sure they knew what they were getting into, I guess that's not so bad)...

I thought Blimpie made sandwiches?  Anyways, I would just turn on the heat, but my roommate prefers to keep our apartment similar to the refrigerated section at the grocery store.  Yet she wouldn't apply to Michigan because it was too cold... ???

I'm honestly curious about the electric blanket though. How are they used? Is it on all night? Is it like the heated seats in my car that still make me feel as if I've got to go to the bathroom and/or have already gone to the bathroom?  My dad nearly got killed by an arsonist in college, so even thinking about buying a space heater or electric blanket was punishable by death.  Needless to say, I smoked my first cigarillo on the porch.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on November 28, 2007, 10:14:44 PM
Needless to say, I smoked my first cigarillo on the porch.

The butt's still there.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on November 29, 2007, 12:46:08 AM
Pikey, do you feel isolated because you are not on campus and living alone? For undergrad, I have never lived on campus at a very residential type college and oftentimes I felt like school was more of a job
More likely than not, someone will have to point me in the right direction (like a loser) if I don't end up at the Lawyer's Club.
I'm a little worried about housing because I graduate in Mid-May and won't be able to come up until the 22ndish or later (is that abnormal?). As neurosis sets in...how much is nice housing for a 1bd/bath...and do people ride mopeds up there? I visited a friend in Wisc and it was kinda common and convenient...sorry for the bombardment :-[ and thanks a bunch!

For the most part no.  You'll make friends in the LC and off campus, so you'll hang out whereever.  Sometimes I wish I had a roomie, because I get into an antisocial mood where I don't want to make any effort.  Other times I'm glad I don't have a roomie because of my anti-social mood!  Plus, the really awesome people were already living together by the time I got my act together (ie Pearl and company).  Honestly, you won't have a problem making friends, especially if you come to preview weekend and MAP (YOU NEED TO COME TO BOTH!!!).  If you're really worried, there are a few apartment complexes that a lot of law students live in, so you'd always have people nearby.  None of my friends live especially near me (Kerrytown), so I've gotten a little less social now that it's cold (and I don't have a car)!  The bus system is pretty good (and free), so a car is definitely not required.

You'll be fine for housing.  I came to AA around the same time, late May, and found a great place.  Unless you're doing an apartment complex, you probably want to visit first, because housing quality can vary.  Some of the stuff closest to the law school can be pretty loud and/or bad because of proximity to the frats (but you can ask us about that later).  I've definitely seen people with mopeds around town.  A couple of us considered it, but none of us on here ended up getting one.  But it's definitely an option.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on November 29, 2007, 04:34:06 AM
The brochure for the LC they sent sounded really negative.

We can NOT accomodate vegan diets.
There is NO air conditioning.
NO space heaters, electric blankets, or other heating elements are allowed.


Besides the fact that I don't do dorms (anymore), the last one sealed it for me.  It averages in the 40's here most of the winter and I still need an electric blanket...I could never do a Michigan winter without mine!   :o

Well, lots of places won't have air conditioning off campus either.  And it was ridiculously hot here in the beginning of the year. I had to run to our first orientation event (left something at home and was late), and it was not a pretty scene.  Thankfully, I already had friends or it could have been dicey. 

Also, it's just like college. Nobody's going to stop you from bringing in an electric blanket or a hot pot, just don't burn the place down (speaking of, how does one sleep using an electric blanket? do you turn it off as you're getting drowsy? is it on all night long?).  PSA: I'd recommend eating an extra Blimpy burger every week instead of risking immolation by electric blanket.


The brochure for the LC they sent sounded really negative.

We can NOT accomodate vegan diets.
There is NO air conditioning.
NO space heaters, electric blankets, or other heating elements are allowed.


Besides the fact that I don't do dorms (anymore), the last one sealed it for me.  It averages in the 40's here most of the winter and I still need an electric blanket...I could never do a Michigan winter without mine!   :o

Well, lots of places won't have air conditioning off campus either.  And it was ridiculously hot here in the beginning of the year. I had to run to our first orientation event (left something at home and was late), and it was not a pretty scene.  Thankfully, I already had friends or it could have been dicey. 

Also, it's just like college. Nobody's going to stop you from bringing in an electric blanket or a hot pot, just don't burn the place down (speaking of, how does one sleep using an electric blanket? do you turn it off as you're getting drowsy? is it on all night long?).  PSA: I'd recommend eating an extra Blimpy burger every week instead of risking immolation by electric blanket.



Also might want to read up some of the possible carcinogenic effects of EMF's relating to electric blankets.  :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: bumblebeechewna on November 29, 2007, 05:44:59 AM
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For the most part no.  You'll make friends in the LC and off campus, so you'll hang out whereever.  Sometimes I wish I had a roomie, because I get into an antisocial mood where I don't want to make any effort.  Other times I'm glad I don't have a roomie because of my anti-social mood!  Plus, the really awesome people were already living together by the time I got my act together (ie Pearl and company).  Honestly, you won't have a problem making friends, especially if you come to preview weekend and MAP (YOU NEED TO COME TO BOTH!!!).  If you're really worried, there are a few apartment complexes that a lot of law students live in, so you'd always have people nearby.  None of my friends live especially near me (Kerrytown), so I've gotten a little less social now that it's cold (and I don't have a car)!  The bus system is pretty good (and free), so a car is definitely not required.

You'll be fine for housing.  I came to AA around the same time, late May, and found a great place.  Unless you're doing an apartment complex, you probably want to visit first, because housing quality can vary.  Some of the stuff closest to the law school can be pretty loud and/or bad because of proximity to the frats (but you can ask us about that later).  I've definitely seen people with mopeds around town.  A couple of us considered it, but none of us on here ended up getting one.  But it's definitely an option.

Thanks! :)...my fears have been quelled
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on November 29, 2007, 06:54:00 AM
Yeah don't live in the LC - I know some people love it but I'm glad I didn't live there... and the only reason I eat in the D hall is b/c my SO lives in the LC... it's nice once a week or so but I can't imagine eating there twice a day and having to eat at specific times... what if you're not hungry for dinner until 7:30? that happens sometimes when you pig out on free pizza at lunchtime speakers/panels...

Find your roomies on LSD!

Speaking of which, if a group of 2 or 3 of you summer starters want to sub-lease our kick ass house next summer, we should talk at some point.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on November 29, 2007, 08:31:37 AM
That's true btw, there is SO much free lunch here it's ridiculous.  In a good way.  The best is Zingerman's bagged lunches, but those are rare.  Most common is Cottage Inn pizza, but I'm not complaining!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 29, 2007, 08:55:54 AM
Facebook group for those of you who are interested...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2401721278
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 29, 2007, 09:31:52 AM
That's true btw, there is SO much free lunch here it's ridiculous.  In a good way.  The best is Zingerman's bagged lunches, but those are rare.  Most common is Cottage Inn pizza, but I'm not complaining!

I think I'm most excited for Zingerman's, is that bad?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on November 29, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
Anybody get scholarship/financial aid stuff yet, or does that come later?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 29, 2007, 10:50:25 AM
Anybody get scholarship/financial aid stuff yet, or does that come later?

Darrow apps start going out in December on a rolling basis and you will be notified on a decision about a week after sending your app in.  Not too sure about other scholarships.  Financial aid packages aren't sent until February/March (after you fill out all the required info).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on November 29, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
Anybody get scholarship/financial aid stuff yet, or does that come later?

Darrow apps start going out in December on a rolling basis and you will be notified on a decision about a week after sending your app in.  Not too sure about other scholarships.  Financial aid packages aren't sent until February/March (after you fill out all the required info).

Good to know, thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on November 29, 2007, 11:41:53 AM
That's true btw, there is SO much free lunch here it's ridiculous.  In a good way.  The best is Zingerman's bagged lunches, but those are rare.  Most common is Cottage Inn pizza, but I'm not complaining!

I think I'm most excited for Zingerman's, is that bad?

No, it's awesome :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 29, 2007, 06:24:07 PM
Just thought I'd mention--the summer term starts exactly six months from today.  Woohoo!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on November 29, 2007, 06:28:20 PM
Just thought I'd mention--the summer term starts exactly six months from today.  Woohoo!

NICE! I should probably celebrate by watching the DVD again! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 29, 2007, 06:38:49 PM
Just thought I'd mention--the summer term starts exactly six months from today.  Woohoo!

Yes!  Only five months and two weeks until I quit my job and move to AA.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 29, 2007, 06:56:29 PM
I just posted this is the other Michigan thread, but I saw the girl from the video when we were visiting on Saturday.  (I was starstruck!)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Megatron on November 29, 2007, 11:07:05 PM
I'll be there May 27.  I'm still kinda bugged out about getting accepted.  I'm a community college grad.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 30, 2007, 05:40:45 AM
I'll be there May 27.  I'm still kinda bugged out about getting accepted.  I'm a community college grad.

Are you coming to the ASW?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Megatron on November 30, 2007, 10:08:36 AM
Are you coming to the ASW?
I'd like to, when is it again?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on November 30, 2007, 10:37:06 AM
Are you coming to the ASW?
I'd like to, when is it again?

The first one is Thursday-Saturday, March 13-15.  I don't have the date for the other weekend with me, and the admitted students website doesn't have it listed yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 30, 2007, 10:59:32 AM
Does someone want to PM me the admitted student website log-on info?  I thought I could just use my username and password from last cycle and tweak the year but it must be different.  Thank you. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on November 30, 2007, 11:15:43 AM
Does anyone know when Summer 08’ course schedules come out for summer starters?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on November 30, 2007, 11:18:39 AM
Does anyone know when Summer 08’ course schedules come out for summer starters?

The academic calender is already out on the website.  I believe the course schedule will come out around February (that's when it came out last year I think).  It seems like the summer classes are always Torts, Contracts, or Civ Pro. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on December 01, 2007, 08:14:04 AM
Good news: Les Miles, LSU's coach, is going to replace Lloyd Carr!! As someone whose interest in Michigan includes the school's sports programs, I am very excited to see this. I was worried that all 3 of my years would be rebuilding for the football team since Henne and Hart are graduating and Carr resigned.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 01, 2007, 10:12:20 AM
Good news: Les Miles, LSU's coach, is going to replace Lloyd Carr!! As someone whose interest in Michigan includes the school's sports programs, I am very excited to see this. I was worried that all 3 of my years would be rebuilding for the football team since Henne and Hart are graduating and Carr resigned.

Bad info.  He signed a re-up with LSU and will be announcing it in a few hours.  No Les Miles at Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 01, 2007, 01:40:19 PM
Good news: Les Miles, LSU's coach, is going to replace Lloyd Carr!! As someone whose interest in Michigan includes the school's sports programs, I am very excited to see this. I was worried that all 3 of my years would be rebuilding for the football team since Henne and Hart are graduating and Carr resigned.

Bad info.  He signed a re-up with LSU and will be announcing it in a few hours.  No Les Miles at Michigan.

Yeah--Ann Arbor news (and Angelique Chengelis) are reporting that Les is not coming.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: littlemisssunshine on December 01, 2007, 05:37:27 PM
Are you coming to the ASW?
I'd like to, when is it again?

The first one is Thursday-Saturday, March 13-15.  I don't have the date for the other weekend with me, and the admitted students website doesn't have it listed yet.

The second one is April 3rd-5th and I encourage anyone and everyone to go!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 01, 2007, 05:42:35 PM
Tag.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Le Petit Avocat on December 01, 2007, 05:58:20 PM
I got my letter a few weeks ago. I'm absolutely thrilled!! I've posted a few times on the "admitted students" bulletin board, but just discovered this board. (Thanks to a poster on that board, actually.) I guess this is the place to be!  :)

I'm still waiting to hear from other schools, but I'm really leaning towards Michigan. There are A LOT of Mich alums where I live, and everyone I've met is so friendly (a rarity here in our nation's capital...) and has great things to say about his or her time there. I plan on visiting early next year.

I'd love to chat with a Summer starter, if there are any out there.



Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 01, 2007, 05:59:56 PM
You rang?

ETA: Did you mean a current or future summer starter?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 01, 2007, 06:02:34 PM
Are you coming to the ASW?
I'd like to, when is it again?

The first one is Thursday-Saturday, March 13-15.  I don't have the date for the other weekend with me, and the admitted students website doesn't have it listed yet.

The second one is April 3rd-5th and I encourage anyone and everyone to go!

I'll probably come to both!   :o

Out of curiousity, why won't you be a wolverine?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 01, 2007, 06:31:54 PM
The Possum will be there in the summer.

BTW, there's a facebook group for Michigan '11.  However, due to the way that the person who made the group did it, you have to be in the Michigan network to join the group.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 01, 2007, 07:08:23 PM
The Possum will be there in the summer.

BTW, there's a facebook group for Michigan '11.  However, due to the way that the person who made the group did it, you have to be in the Michigan network to join the group.



Yeah--I was wondering about that.  I messaged her, and will eventually get in, but I thought I was just stupid and couldn't figure out how to get in.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dystopian Fiction on December 01, 2007, 10:33:36 PM
So how many people are going to send in their deposits early just so they can join the facebook network?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 01, 2007, 11:02:15 PM
I'm on the network so I'm in the group.  However, it would be good if this young lady would open up the group.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Le Petit Avocat on December 02, 2007, 08:46:17 AM
I'm sorry, I meant past summer starters. :) I have questions about the academic calendar, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 02, 2007, 10:39:59 AM
Ok then, I can probably help.  What do you need to know?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: littlemisssunshine on December 02, 2007, 02:01:48 PM
Are you coming to the ASW?
I'd like to, when is it again?

The first one is Thursday-Saturday, March 13-15.  I don't have the date for the other weekend with me, and the admitted students website doesn't have it listed yet.

The second one is April 3rd-5th and I encourage anyone and everyone to go!

I'll probably come to both!   :o

Out of curiousity, why won't you be a wolverine?

Born and raised a Michigan State Spartan :) That's all.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Mickey Ward on December 02, 2007, 02:12:26 PM
Clobber.

Also, another plug for off-campus living. Being able to choose when and what you eat is necessary to good mental health. As is the ability to escape the mass hysteria of the Law Quad during exam season.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on December 02, 2007, 04:09:34 PM
I posted this earlier in the thread but perhaps no one saw it:

Does someone want to PM me the admitted student website log-on info?  I thought I could just use my username and password from last cycle and tweak the year but it must be different.  Thank you.

EDIT: Got it, thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Le Petit Avocat on December 03, 2007, 09:56:39 AM
Never mind, I answered my question about the academic calendar.

Thanks anyway :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on December 03, 2007, 12:37:01 PM
Can you still get a scholarship if you applied ED?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on December 03, 2007, 12:42:43 PM
Not that it matters, but does any one know if Legal Practice or whatever Michigan calls their legal writing and research class is graded or pass/fail? I was curious and couldn't find it on the website or in the viewbook.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 03, 2007, 12:48:19 PM
Can you still get a scholarship if you applied ED?

Yes you can definitely get scholarship money.  You're not likely to get a Darrow, only because people with Darrow stats usually don't apply ED.  Also, you can't use leverage to ask for more money, though that shouldn't stop you for asking for more money.  You never know unless you ask!

Not that it matters, but does any one know if Legal Practice or whatever Michigan calls their legal writing and research class is graded or pass/fail? I was curious and couldn't find it on the website or in the viewbook.

It's pass/fail. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 03, 2007, 12:55:19 PM
Should we revive the Ask a 1L thread, do you think?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 03, 2007, 12:56:27 PM
Should we revive the Ask a 1L thread, do you think?

Good idea, if I can find it!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on December 03, 2007, 12:59:39 PM
It's pass/fail. 
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Thanks for the quick reply! If the other students at Mich are half as "collegial" as the ones on this board, I can see why the school has its reputation.

And I for one would love a revival of the Ask a 1L.  The first one started before anyone got in, so I think there were less questions.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 03, 2007, 01:01:20 PM
It's pass/fail. 

Thanks for the quick reply! If the other students at Mich are half as "collegial" as the ones on this board, I can see why the school has its reputation.

And I for one would love a revival of the Ask a 1L.  The first one started before anyone got in, so I think there were less questions.
[/quote]

I bumped it.  It's on the applications board.  And yes, we are all collegial!  Last year's 1Ls lured us in before we even visited!   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on December 03, 2007, 01:35:34 PM
I HATE pikeys.


Anyhoooo, I'm really excited about Mich! I submitted my lawyer's club app last week, and received my confirmation today.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 03, 2007, 01:37:01 PM
I HATE pikeys.


Anyhoooo, I'm really excited about Mich! I submitted my lawyer's club app last week, and received my confirmation today.

 :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dystopian Fiction on December 03, 2007, 04:28:59 PM
I like pikeys, they're like angry real-life leprechauns.
I didn't see this question in the 1L thread: What are the chances of finding a May-May lease for a place near the law school? Is this possible, or do most summer starters just occupy sublets during the summer and scramble to move somewhere else in August?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 03, 2007, 04:39:09 PM
It's possible, but they aren't as common (or cheap) as sublets, so most people do the latter.  Also, it depends on how you define "near."
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on December 03, 2007, 05:24:27 PM
For those of you who sent in your deposit, have you heard back from Michigan and/or received  your student ID and password?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Megatron on December 03, 2007, 05:54:59 PM
For those of you who sent in your deposit, have you heard back from Michigan and/or received  your student ID and password?
I haven't heard anything yet, but I only sent my deposit last Wednesday, I think.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: bohemian_revolution on December 04, 2007, 07:27:35 AM
Tag  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: blacking_out_the_friction on December 04, 2007, 07:36:07 AM
so is it correct that the LSDers on here think that the lawyer's club isn't worth it?  Having aircon is crucial for me, I'm looking off campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: kirchner on December 04, 2007, 07:41:55 AM
Will anyone be commutting from Detroit?  No, I'm not joking.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 04, 2007, 07:59:59 AM
so is it correct that the LSDers on here think that the lawyer's club isn't worth it?  Having aircon is crucial for me, I'm looking off campus.

It's not worth it to us, but that doesn't mean it's not worth it in general.  It depends on what your preferences and priorities are.

Will anyone be commutting from Detroit?  No, I'm not joking.

I wouldn't recommend it.  I know a 1L who lives in Canton, and even that is relatively far.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: kirchner on December 04, 2007, 08:10:02 AM
Will anyone be commutting from Detroit?  No, I'm not joking.

I wouldn't recommend it.  I know a 1L who lives in Canton, and even that is relatively far.

You could have told me that three years ago when I had no law school plans and bought a house on the east side ;)

I'm looking for a potential commuting partner.  My alternative plan is to rent an apartment with someone and pay my half (or third or whatever) of the rent even though I wont be staying there all the time.  Should work out to be a good deal for the co-lessee(s). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: blacking_out_the_friction on December 04, 2007, 08:15:58 AM
but I'm right that the LC doesn't have aircon right?  Or is that just a nasty rumor I heard?

Oh, and any professors to steer clear of?  I know that's a vague question but hey we're all wondering...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 04, 2007, 08:27:11 AM
Will anyone be commutting from Detroit?  No, I'm not joking.

I wouldn't recommend it.  I know a 1L who lives in Canton, and even that is relatively far.

You could have told me that three years ago when I had no law school plans and bought a house on the east side ;)

I'm looking for a potential commuting partner.  My alternative plan is to rent an apartment with someone and pay my half (or third or whatever) of the rent even though I wont be staying there all the time.  Should work out to be a good deal for the co-lessee(s). 

Oops!  ;)  Good luck with finding a commuting partner.  Craigslist or the UM housing site might be your best bet, since most law students live fairly close.  Your alternative plan might be more doable, especially if you just want to rent a room in a private or coop house.

but I'm right that the LC doesn't have aircon right?  Or is that just a nasty rumor I heard?

Oh, and any professors to steer clear of?  I know that's a vague question but hey we're all wondering...

Yup, the LC doesn't have A/C, but that's not uncommon here.

No info about profs to steer clear of, and it wouldn't matter anyway since you have no choice!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 04, 2007, 09:12:11 AM
If I do end up coming to Michigan (which I almost certainly will), I will be commuting an hour each way from the northeast side.  It will be a lot of driving, but much less than I do now.  I don't think it will be a problem for classes, but social stuff might be an issue.  Either way, I will deal with it.  Kirchner--we should talk about the possibility of at least carpooling occasionally!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 04, 2007, 11:19:25 AM
Last year there was a list of people who were admitted and people who were going for sure.

that'd be a cool thing to put up on the front of this thread.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: jake123 on December 04, 2007, 07:45:28 PM
The Possum will be there in the summer.

BTW, there's a facebook group for Michigan '11.  However, due to the way that the person who made the group did it, you have to be in the Michigan network to join the group.



I saw a Michgan '11 group, but it seemed to be for undergrads.  Is that the group you are talking about?  I'm starting in the summer, and definitely looking to chat with some summer/fall starters.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: blacking_out_the_friction on December 04, 2007, 07:50:18 PM
to join that group you have to be on the Michigan network. summer starter here...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Megatron on December 04, 2007, 08:48:33 PM
For those of you who sent in your deposit, have you heard back from Michigan and/or received  your student ID and password?
I got my password today and set up my umich email.
EDIT: I also already forwarded it to gmail.  I hate non-gmail email.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: blacking_out_the_friction on December 05, 2007, 06:46:53 AM
how long was your turnaround between deposit and getting the email?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Megatron on December 05, 2007, 05:03:26 PM
about a week, maybe a little less.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: michigander on December 06, 2007, 01:03:46 PM
sorry if i missed it, but does anyone know the deal with phid house? has it generally gotten good or bad reviews from those who live there?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 06, 2007, 01:12:04 PM
sorry if i missed it, but does anyone know the deal with phid house? has it generally gotten good or bad reviews from those who live there?

the deal is it's near the law school and insanely cheap.  you have a fair amount of common space, shared bathrooms, shared fridge/freezer, etc.  it's not a co-op, but you do have a rotating chore that you have to do.  some of them involve very little work, some involve a bit more.  i would never live there since i really need my own kitchen and don't really like sharing all my space with that many people (~25 if i remember correctly), but i think it's a way better option than the law quad.  if you have any specific questions, i'd be happy to answer them (a close friend of mine lives there and i've hung around a fair amount), or i can put you in touch with her if you'd like.  obviously, it's a shared house, so it's not guaranteed to be as quiet as a single in the quad, but the only noise-related issues i've heard of were from a girl whose room was below the stairs and she just couldn't deal with the traffic.  so she moved out.  everyone else i know over there is staying next year and you have the potential for a pretty serious room upgrade your second year.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: michigander on December 07, 2007, 12:05:44 PM
thanks so much! i'll contact you later in the cycle when i have a better idea if i'll be attending...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: ipso facto on December 07, 2007, 05:15:30 PM
I know of at least a few people who commute in from Detroit. Most are orthodox jews who have families and whatnot. They don't seem to mind too much.

Will anyone be commutting from Detroit?  No, I'm not joking.

I wouldn't recommend it.  I know a 1L who lives in Canton, and even that is relatively far.

You could have told me that three years ago when I had no law school plans and bought a house on the east side ;)

I'm looking for a potential commuting partner.  My alternative plan is to rent an apartment with someone and pay my half (or third or whatever) of the rent even though I wont be staying there all the time.  Should work out to be a good deal for the co-lessee(s). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on December 08, 2007, 12:35:23 PM
I got a call yesterday the Michigan admissions office that assuaged basically all of my worries about Michigan. I have to say Michigan does a better job than anyone in the whole wooing process, and I think I'm basically set on Michigan now unless Northwestern rocks my world.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 08, 2007, 12:46:33 PM
I got a call yesterday the Michigan admissions office that assuaged basically all of my worries about Michigan. I have to say Michigan does a better job than anyone in the whole wooing process, and I think I'm basically set on Michigan now unless Northwestern rocks my world.

Michigan definitely beats Northwestern!

/shameless plug
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dystopian Fiction on December 08, 2007, 07:08:22 PM
I got a call yesterday the Michigan admissions office that assuaged basically all of my worries about Michigan. I have to say Michigan does a better job than anyone in the whole wooing process, and I think I'm basically set on Michigan now unless Northwestern rocks my world.

What worries did you have, Shark Week? I'm just curious.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on December 08, 2007, 07:20:56 PM
I got a call yesterday the Michigan admissions office that assuaged basically all of my worries about Michigan. I have to say Michigan does a better job than anyone in the whole wooing process, and I think I'm basically set on Michigan now unless Northwestern rocks my world.

What worries did you have, Shark Week? I'm just curious.

That I wouldn't be able to pay for it, mostly. I'm a filthy poor with suboptimal credit. But we talked about financial aid options, and it sounds like one way or another Michigan makes sure you can borrow what you need.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 08, 2007, 08:56:25 PM
I got a call yesterday the Michigan admissions office that assuaged basically all of my worries about Michigan. I have to say Michigan does a better job than anyone in the whole wooing process, and I think I'm basically set on Michigan now unless Northwestern rocks my world.

What worries did you have, Shark Week? I'm just curious.

That I wouldn't be able to pay for it, mostly. I'm a filthy poor with suboptimal credit. But we talked about financial aid options, and it sounds like one way or another Michigan makes sure you can borrow what you need.

Michigan was weird with me wrt the financial aspect. I'm a poor too...and Michigan was the only school that didn't give me money.  I'm sure I could have haggled money out of them with my other money offers from peer schools, but it really did strike me as odd that I didn't get a good amount (aka less than 10gs only guaranteed for 1L) from them.  It made me wonder how they figured that stuff out...bc CLS is cheap as hell and even their gave me a guaranteed amount of money for all 3 years.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 08, 2007, 09:15:40 PM
Umm, you can stop discouraging Michigan people now.  K, thx. :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 08, 2007, 09:41:33 PM
Umm, you can stop discouraging Michigan people now.  K, thx. :P

ha ha, not discouraging...you know i love Michigan (and I may be coming to visit for the convention)

but financials are an important consideration...especially if you are a poor ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 09, 2007, 09:36:40 AM
I got a call yesterday the Michigan admissions office that assuaged basically all of my worries about Michigan. I have to say Michigan does a better job than anyone in the whole wooing process, and I think I'm basically set on Michigan now unless Northwestern rocks my world.

What worries did you have, Shark Week? I'm just curious.

That I wouldn't be able to pay for it, mostly. I'm a filthy poor with suboptimal credit. But we talked about financial aid options, and it sounds like one way or another Michigan makes sure you can borrow what you need.

Michigan was weird with me wrt the financial aspect. I'm a poor too...and Michigan was the only school that didn't give me money.  I'm sure I could have haggled money out of them with my other money offers from peer schools, but it really did strike me as odd that I didn't get a good amount (aka less than 10gs only guaranteed for 1L) from them.  It made me wonder how they figured that stuff out...bc CLS is cheap as hell and even their gave me a guaranteed amount of money for all 3 years.

For what it's worth, all Michigan financial aid need offers are assumed to be good for three years unless your circumstances change significantly in between one of the three years.  (Getting a 2L firm job may affect your 3rd year aid somewhat, for instance).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dagny on December 09, 2007, 12:30:37 PM
Hi everyone! I'm doing the summer start. I cannot WAIT to start school...I'm going crazy from being away from the classroom for 2 years.

Congrats to everyone who has been accepted so far!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dagny on December 09, 2007, 01:45:45 PM
Hi possum and ender and the rest!

I'm the one who started that facebook group, sorry it automatically set itself up on the Michigan network, but I opened it up to everyone now. Glad I stumbled on this thread to get the feedback!

Does anyone know about parking near the law school? I'll be living too far to walk to the school.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 09, 2007, 01:49:06 PM
Hi possum and ender and the rest!

I'm the one who started that facebook group, sorry it automatically set itself up on the Michigan network, but I opened it up to everyone now. Glad I stumbled on this thread to get the feedback!

Does anyone know about parking near the law school? I'll be living too far to walk to the school.

Hi Dagny.  Congrats!  I will most likely be joining you in the summer, and I am really looking forward to it!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 09, 2007, 01:53:06 PM
Hi possum and ender and the rest!

I'm the one who started that facebook group, sorry it automatically set itself up on the Michigan network, but I opened it up to everyone now. Glad I stumbled on this thread to get the feedback!

Does anyone know about parking near the law school? I'll be living too far to walk to the school.

There's plenty of parking, but you're either feeding the meter all day or paying $.40/30 minutes.  People who live nearby will often also sell a space in their driveway (check on craigslist or on lawopen, the school email clusterfuck listserv, when you get here).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dagny on December 09, 2007, 01:58:58 PM
Ahhh sorry guys! I tried to change the Facebook group to be open to everyone, but I got a message from Facebook saying that student academic groups have to be network specific. They didn't let the change go through, but I hope it won't be a problem. All the class of XX groups from the past few yers have been open to only those on the Michigan network too so I figure it shouldn't be a big deal. But hey, if someone figures out how to open it up to everyone in another group, we can all just join that one :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 09, 2007, 02:25:48 PM
Hey Dagny.

No it's all good.  It'll fill up as people get their uniqueIDs. 

I just had mine since last year since I was admitted last year and deferred.

BTW, you guys should check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dystopian Fiction on December 10, 2007, 04:11:52 PM
BTW, you guys should check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw)

Very cool, but is it possible to see a video of Michigan without soaring orchestral music? I'm getting a bit tired of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on December 10, 2007, 04:13:51 PM
You can turn down the volume...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 10, 2007, 08:55:10 PM
BTW, you guys should check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw)

Very cool, but is it possible to see a video of Michigan without soaring orchestral music? I'm getting a bit tired of it.

Actually, that's our official score.  It plays in the background all the time - you get used to it. 



(gahh, I hate exams.  10 hours into a 24hr. take-home, and I really wish someone would just shoot me in the face.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 10, 2007, 08:59:52 PM
BTW, you guys should check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw)

Very cool, but is it possible to see a video of Michigan without soaring orchestral music? I'm getting a bit tired of it.

Actually, that's our official score.  It plays in the background all the time - you get used to it. 



(gahh, I hate exams.  10 hours into a 24hr. take-home, and I really wish someone would just shoot me in the face.)

YOU CAN DO IT!!!  Ask me how I feel in two days.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on December 10, 2007, 09:11:42 PM
BTW, you guys should check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw)

Very cool, but is it possible to see a video of Michigan without soaring orchestral music? I'm getting a bit tired of it.

Actually, that's our official score.  It plays in the background all the time - you get used to it. 



(gahh, I hate exams.  10 hours into a 24hr. take-home, and I really wish someone would just shoot me in the face.)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fc5os23mI


I thought this was our theme song.  I can NEVER escape it; damned marching band.

by the way, I think this is one of the most hilarious youtubes I've seen in a long while. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fc5os23mI
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 11, 2007, 11:49:18 AM
hahahaha

Michigan '10 in the house!  Please feel free to have a seat and enjoy a drink.  Don't mind the clutter.

BTW, good to see you here rossum.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: littlemisssunshine on December 11, 2007, 12:17:55 PM
BTW, you guys should check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJs3x4BALsw)

Very cool, but is it possible to see a video of Michigan without soaring orchestral music? I'm getting a bit tired of it.

Actually, that's our official score.  It plays in the background all the time - you get used to it. 



(gahh, I hate exams.  10 hours into a 24hr. take-home, and I really wish someone would just shoot me in the face.)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fc5os23mI


I thought this was our theme song.  I can NEVER escape it; damned marching band.

by the way, I think this is one of the most hilarious youtubes I've seen in a long while. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-fc5os23mI

Ok, you just made my day..that is so adorably precious!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 11, 2007, 12:32:37 PM
hahahaha

Michigan '10 in the house!  Please feel free to have a seat and enjoy a drink.  Don't mind the clutter.

BTW, good to see you here rossum.

Or '09, as the case may be.   :-[
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 11, 2007, 12:42:33 PM
Oh crap!  Sorry Jolie. 

You know we're like   ----> <----  .

The CU UM connection baby!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 11, 2007, 12:55:06 PM
Hehe, I know. :D  And I have no business still lurking around here, anyway.  Just exam loopiness. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 11, 2007, 01:56:26 PM
Hey... Jolie, I don't remember what that quote from me in your signature is referring to anymore!

I am honored anyway.  I miss being in Gengis's signature too.

I was SO GOOD yesterday.  Today having a harder time concentrating.  But I totally feel like I am going to be OK in Contracts, so that's an improvement. :)  Last week I cried in tutoring.  Hahahaha.  At the time I was very embarrassed by that, but now I feel like it's a badge of 1L honor.  Like a milestone achieved.

I think we're going to go out and try Champion House.  I'm craving teppanyaki.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 11, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
Hey... Jolie, I don't remember what that quote from me in your signature is referring to anymore!

I am honored anyway.  I miss being in Gengis's signature too.

I was SO GOOD yesterday.  Today having a harder time concentrating.  But I totally feel like I am going to be OK in Contracts, so that's an improvement. :)  Last week I cried in tutoring.  Hahahaha.  At the time I was very embarrassed by that, but now I feel like it's a badge of 1L honor.  Like a milestone achieved.

I think we're going to go out and try Champion House.  I'm craving teppanyaki.

I heard it wasn't that great (all families and frat boys), but don't let me stop you!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 11, 2007, 04:25:46 PM
Yeah, there was that review in the RG.  But I really wanted teppanyaki.  I compromised for PF Changs instead.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 11, 2007, 04:27:32 PM
Compromised.  HA!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 11, 2007, 04:56:54 PM
Yeah, there was that review in the RG.  But I really wanted teppanyaki.  I compromised for PF Changs instead.

Mmm, PF Chang's is yummy, despite my usual dislike of chains.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 11, 2007, 06:17:34 PM
this doesn't appear to be the class of 2011 at all.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 11, 2007, 06:19:42 PM
Nah, it's just that the class of 2010 is legion.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 11, 2007, 06:25:41 PM
2010 represent! :P

Does anyone else wish exams started tomorrow instead of Thursday so we can get one over with? I'm so sick of Ks right now and don't feel like one more day is going to help - in fact, I will probably forget everything I learned this weekend :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 11, 2007, 06:27:12 PM
2010 represent! :P

Does anyone else wish exams started tomorrow instead of Thursday so we can get one over with? I'm so sick of Ks right now and don't feel like one more day is going to help - in fact, I will probably forget everything I learned this weekend :P

Titcr.  I feel like I've spent forever studying for civ pro and know nothing about my other two classes.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 11, 2007, 06:31:53 PM
Lord, no.  I'm teaching myself the entirety of this subject; I need all the time I can get.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 11, 2007, 06:39:10 PM
Can't. Wait. For. Next Friday.

Esp. because Flyaway scheduled getting drunk on her iCal.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on December 11, 2007, 06:50:45 PM
how come we take over all of the michigan threads?  grr... study...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 11, 2007, 07:07:07 PM
I totally hear you on not being AT ALL prepared on my other subjects.  But I feel like there's still some stuff I could learn in K's, but... yeah, I have to decide whether it's really a better rate of return than if I turned to Torts.  But... I really don't feel like thinking about any other subject yet.  My brain is K-focused!

Not only did I schedule getting drunk on my iCal, but I scheduled it for 12:15 PM!!!

I'm looking forward to my free massage on Thursday.  (Perk of going to UM Law, prospectives!)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 11, 2007, 07:12:47 PM
I totally hear you on not being AT ALL prepared on my other subjects.  But I feel like there's still some stuff I could learn in K's, but... yeah, I have to decide whether it's really a better rate of return than if I turned to Torts.  But... I really don't feel like thinking about any other subject yet.  My brain is K-focused!

Not only did I schedule getting drunk on my iCal, but I scheduled it for 12:15 PM!!!

I'm looking forward to my free massage on Thursday.  (Perk of going to UM Law, prospectives!)

Me too!  Unfortunately, I can't get drunk at 12:15 because I have a mock interview with CS that afternoon, but right after that, it's on!  Do you have to wear a suit to a mock interview if it's just with career services?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 11, 2007, 07:16:11 PM
If you wear a suit to your final, someone might hit you.

(Anyway, I don't know... if it were me, I'd probably dress business casual.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 11, 2007, 07:33:52 PM
<-- wearing a suit to all finals






ok, maybe not.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 11, 2007, 07:34:56 PM
<----- wearing sweats to all finals
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 11, 2007, 07:37:58 PM
GCoop, *I* will hit you if I see you in a suit at school during finals.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 11, 2007, 07:39:12 PM
jeans & sportscoat ok?

how about this:

http://jpeterman.com/product.asp?cat=140201&sku=MSH%201819
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on December 11, 2007, 07:41:16 PM
jeans & sportscoat ok?

how about this:

http://jpeterman.com/product.asp?cat=140201&sku=MSH%201819


"Real pearl-shell buttons"?!? Ohhh. You have to get it!!

oops...missed the best part:

"The six Swedish blondes sitting in a row stop flirting with the bartenders, pivot around on their stools.

The beefy, red-faced type with the Mustque Martini Club T-shirt squints....

Uncommon Tropical Shirt (No. 1819). Cool cotton in a distinctive Indonesian-style print, instead of the Hawaiian kind that give you a high rating on the touristo scale."
 :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 11, 2007, 07:58:51 PM
oh, i've already got it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 11, 2007, 08:05:13 PM
GCoop, *I* will hit you if I see you in a suit at school during finals.

I'll defend you to the death, GCoop.  And Flyaway - I'm scrappy.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 11, 2007, 08:11:04 PM
If you wear a suit to your final, someone might hit you.

(Anyway, I don't know... if it were me, I'd probably dress business casual.)

I wouldn't wear it to finals!  I'll go home and change.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on December 11, 2007, 09:49:18 PM
Seriously, are there any '11s left in this thread?  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 11, 2007, 10:23:27 PM
we're scared now
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 12, 2007, 05:13:49 AM
GCoop, *I* will hit you if I see you in a suit at school during finals.

I'll defend you to the death, GCoop.  And Flyaway - I'm scrappy.

You're scrappy, but I'm Amazonian!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 12, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
Seriously, are there any '11s left in this thread?  :D

I'm still here.  I'm just afraid--very afraid. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 12, 2007, 02:51:39 PM
Seriously, are there any '11s left in this thread?  :D

I'm still here.  I'm just afraid--very afraid. 

yeah, i decided to go sit in a corner instead.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: littlemisssunshine on December 12, 2007, 06:07:37 PM
Where is there a PF Changs around here?!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 12, 2007, 07:04:01 PM
Where is there a PF Changs around here?!

I know there is one at Somerset and one at Partridge Creek, but I don't know where any others would be.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 12, 2007, 07:10:46 PM
Near where 14 and 275 meet.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: blacking_out_the_friction on December 13, 2007, 06:21:28 AM
where do you 10ers think is the best place off campus to live?  I want to live on campus, so I don't have to drive in every morning. Any buildings I should look at or realtors you recommend?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 13, 2007, 11:33:18 AM
Check the bus lines - having one near your place, even if you're within walking distance, is pretty invaluable - especially when it's chilly. 

Which it is now. 

All the time.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 13, 2007, 12:45:53 PM
PF Changs is in Novi.

Woot for being done with our first exam!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 13, 2007, 01:33:28 PM
Congrats guys on that first exam!




Nice to see the trend of Michigan having the best class thread on LSD.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on December 13, 2007, 04:20:41 PM
bump for the newest admits.

------------------

I am very excited to share with you this update on the Law School’s building expansion and renovation.  Today the University’s Board of Regents approved a project that will consist of an additional new building south of Monroe Street and a Law School commons in the eastern courtyard between Hutchins Hall and the stacks. The cost for these two components, in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars, is $99 million; additionally, the project includes the design and installation of a suitable replacement for the metal siding on the Legal Research Building, at a cost of $3 million.

- Dean Caminker
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: UFBoldAsLove on December 13, 2007, 04:25:47 PM


Hey guys -

Quick question, exactly how cold does it get (temp wise), throughout the year? My dad laughs at me that I'll never be able to handle it if I decide to head to Ann Arbor.  :(  And, is it deary/cloudy when its cold?

Sorry if its a silly question, but coming from Fl/never haven seen snow, its a real concern of mine.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on December 13, 2007, 04:28:47 PM


Hey guys -

Quick question, exactly how cold does it get (temp wise), throughout the year? My dad laughs at me that I'll never be able to handle it if I decide to head to Ann Arbor.  :(  And, is it deary/cloudy when its cold?

Sorry if its a silly question, but coming from Fl/never haven seen snow, its a real concern of mine.

It's currently 34 F. 

Honestly, it does get pretty cold.  I don't know anyone from FL here, but our southern Californians seem to be handling it alright.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 13, 2007, 04:38:49 PM
I'm from FL/GA, and I'm fine.  Spend the money for a nice coat. :)

Michigan's bad rep for weather is a pet peeve of mine... I really don't think it's noticeably colder than most top schools... Harvard, Chicago, Yale, Columbia, Northwestern, NYU.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 13, 2007, 04:39:28 PM


Hey guys -

Quick question, exactly how cold does it get (temp wise), throughout the year? My dad laughs at me that I'll never be able to handle it if I decide to head to Ann Arbor.  :(  And, is it deary/cloudy when its cold?

Sorry if its a silly question, but coming from Fl/never haven seen snow, its a real concern of mine.

Talk to monserrat, a CA native who is coping just fine.  The weather can suck, but it builds character.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 13, 2007, 04:48:56 PM
I'm from FL/GA, and I'm fine.  Spend the money for a nice coat. :)

Michigan's bad rep for weather is a pet peeve of mine... I really don't think it's noticeably colder than most top schools... Harvard, Chicago, Yale, Columbia, Northwestern, NYU.

I'm from Bermuda and completely agree with the bolded.  You really do get used to it.  I knew that I had started to adjust when I went outside in 35 degree weather and thought that it was kinda warm (as opposed to 13 degrees).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on December 14, 2007, 01:12:24 AM
Officially joining this thread.  :)

I am looking for off-campus housing and was wondering if there are particular neighborhood areas/streets that a lot of law students cluster around? I think I'd like to live in an apartment complex, and be reasonably close to other students too.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 14, 2007, 02:50:25 AM
Other than a really vague "within walking distance," I don't think there are real clusters of law students.  The thing is that a lot of law students choose to live further than undergrads would, due to the trade off of distance for price+maintenance+space.  So whereas undergrads might think walking distance is half a mile or less, it seems like there are plenty of law students who live between a half mile and a mile.

And then there are those like me who rely on cars/buses.  If you want a true apartment complex (in the sense I have of the word... large, relatively modern, with a pool, etc.), that's probably what you'll have to do.  Closer in you'll find lots of houses that are divided into apartments and owned by a landlord who owns, say 1-10 properties.  And you'll find a few small apartment buildings and one high rise I can think of.  And I feel like someone has told me she lives in an apartment complex that's closer in, but just based on the neighborhood I have to think it would be on the smaller side.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 14, 2007, 09:46:25 AM
please tell me being up at 5:50 am isn't part of the usual UMich law school routine.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 14, 2007, 09:51:10 AM
please tell me being up at 5:50 am isn't part of the usual UMich law school routine.

JUST GETTING BACK IN!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 14, 2007, 10:35:16 AM
Yes, I am known for being a RAGING PARTY ANIMAL.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on December 14, 2007, 10:44:20 AM
bump for the newest admits.

------------------

I am very excited to share with you this update on the Law School’s building expansion and renovation.  Today the University’s Board of Regents approved a project that will consist of an additional new building south of Monroe Street and a Law School commons in the eastern courtyard between Hutchins Hall and the stacks. The cost for these two components, in 2010 inflation-adjusted dollars, is $99 million; additionally, the project includes the design and installation of a suitable replacement for the metal siding on the Legal Research Building, at a cost of $3 million.

- Dean Caminker

Does this mean there will be construction the whole time we're in school?  It's cool they're building a new building but it kind of sucks that we probably won't be able to enjoy it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 14, 2007, 11:38:12 AM
is there any info about a start/completion schedule?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 14, 2007, 11:48:10 AM
just that they MAY start around 18 months from now, maybe longer.  Most construction is on the parking lot across the street, and won't affect the school at all.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 14, 2007, 01:21:56 PM
Yeah... sounds like construction is supposed to start summer after your 1L year.  But like GCoop said, it's not renovation in the existing building (except for some siding on the LR building, but that would be by offices, not classrooms), so it shouldn't affect you at all.

And you'll benefit from the Reading Room renovation they're about to do this winter term!  I'm looking forward to seeing it in the fall.  Wiring work, lighting work, refinishing tables, cleaning the ceiling.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 14, 2007, 10:19:15 PM
please tell me being up at 5:50 am isn't part of the usual UMich law school routine.

Umm, maybe?  We sorta do go out a lot. :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 15, 2007, 10:00:48 AM
please tell me being up at 5:50 am isn't part of the usual UMich law school routine.

Umm, maybe?  We sorta do go out a lot. :-\

But it doesn't have to be.  I go out a lot (or I used to when it was warm) and I haven't seen 5:50 am yet. 

<-- likes sleep
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 15, 2007, 10:16:57 AM
please tell me being up at 5:50 am isn't part of the usual UMich law school routine.

Umm, maybe?  We sorta do go out a lot. :-\

But it doesn't have to be.  I go out a lot (or I used to when it was warm) and I haven't seen 5:50 am yet. 

<-- likes sleep

<-- has no one but herself to blame for the fact that she's been up since 4:30 a.m.    :-X

On the bright side, almost done with the jurisprudence exam.  My head is bleeding internally from too many days with the legal philosophers.  Hope all went well for you 1Ls with your first exam!  and here's a taste of what's to come for the '11ers.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: RandyJay419 on December 16, 2007, 12:21:27 PM
Tag!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on December 16, 2007, 01:12:22 PM
please tell me being up at 5:50 am isn't part of the usual UMich law school routine.

Umm, maybe?  We sorta do go out a lot. :-\

But it doesn't have to be.  I go out a lot (or I used to when it was warm) and I haven't seen 5:50 am yet. 

<-- likes sleep

<-- has no one but herself to blame for the fact that she's been up since 4:30 a.m.    :-X

On the bright side, almost done with the jurisprudence exam.  My head is bleeding internally from too many days with the legal philosophers.  Hope all went well for you 1Ls with your first exam!  and here's a taste of what's to come for the '11ers.


i heart your jurisprudence prof 4 eva.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 16, 2007, 01:30:27 PM
i heart Bouzie 4 eva.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 16, 2007, 01:49:56 PM
please tell me being up at 5:50 am isn't part of the usual UMich law school routine.

Umm, maybe?  We sorta do go out a lot. :-\

But it doesn't have to be.  I go out a lot (or I used to when it was warm) and I haven't seen 5:50 am yet. 

<-- likes sleep

<-- has no one but herself to blame for the fact that she's been up since 4:30 a.m.    :-X

On the bright side, almost done with the jurisprudence exam.  My head is bleeding internally from too many days with the legal philosophers.  Hope all went well for you 1Ls with your first exam!  and here's a taste of what's to come for the '11ers.


i heart your jurisprudence prof 4 eva.

Me too!  He's, like, the biggest jurispru superstar in the country.  (Plus, he gets wasted and sings karaoke with his students...have you seen those photos yet?!) 

How's it going, Bouzie?  Good luck to all the 1Ls on their second exam tomorrow!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on December 16, 2007, 02:09:11 PM
hehe.  I just like him because he says "because" funny. It's going well....conlaw exam tomorrow and I'm currently taking issue with the Con Law E+E's interpretation of the commerce clause.  I think that Rehnquist wrote the damned E+E from the grave or something--- It make it sound as if his opinion in Lopez was in accordance with all post-WW2 commerce clause jurisprudence.  Maybe that's valid i fyou're on crack or something, but clearly it should present a counterargument to that.... you know what? I'm a geek.  I'm gonna shut up now.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 16, 2007, 02:14:08 PM
hehe.  I just like him because he says "because" funny. It's going well....conlaw exam tomorrow and I'm currently taking issue with the Con Law E+E's interpretation of the commerce clause.  I think that Rehnquist wrote the damned E+E from the grave or something--- It make it sound as if his opinion in Lopez was in accordance with all post-WW2 commerce clause jurisprudence.  Maybe that's valid i fyou're on crack or something, but clearly it should present a counterargument to that.... you know what? I'm a geek.  I'm gonna shut up now.

Hey, do you want my civ pro and property supplements in exchange for your con law and torts supplements?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 16, 2007, 02:20:14 PM
as a current michigan student and formerly active lsder, I should join this thread even tho I'm not part of the cool crowd. so hi.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 16, 2007, 02:20:57 PM
NO, I ALREADY CALLED DIBS ON BOUZIE'S PROPERTY SUPPLEMENTS... hey wait, why are you offering Bouzie property supplements? he already has them - duh!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 16, 2007, 02:29:46 PM
NO, I ALREADY CALLED DIBS ON BOUZIE'S PROPERTY SUPPLEMENTS... hey wait, why are you offering Bouzie property supplements? he already has them - duh!

n/m, i forgot he wasn't in your section.  At any case, I'm offering my civ pro, property and contracts supplements to anyone who wants them, in  exchange for torts, con law or crim.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 16, 2007, 04:03:39 PM
Ummm... Bouzie and I have had a supplement exchanging deal since like September!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 16, 2007, 04:10:20 PM
as a current michigan student and formerly active lsder, I should join this thread even tho I'm not part of the cool crowd. so hi.

You could be part of the cool crowd if you would REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on December 16, 2007, 04:23:26 PM
I think it was as follows:  Pearl gets my property stuff over break  but then flyaway and I are engaging in some sort of trade. Flyaway wins since we were both waitlisted at Cornell.  Yeah, that makes no sense, but I was just looking at her LSN and remembered that we randomly had that in common ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 16, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
as a current michigan student and formerly active lsder, I should join this thread even tho I'm not part of the cool crowd. so hi.

You could be part of the cool crowd if you would REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY!

This is a good point. I had completely forgotten about the Poster until I saw this. We've all been here long enough it would be fun to know!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 16, 2007, 04:46:48 PM
Ok lol i will take them over break and then Flyaway can have them - Pikey I will trade you for your property or civ pro supplements - i have torts and crim supplements... that is my offer - do you accept? :P

<----- HATES TORTS, WANTS TORTS TO BE OVER IMMEDIATELY, MISSES CONTRACTS :(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 16, 2007, 04:47:33 PM
PS sorry 2011'ers for taking over your thread... you have to excuse us... it's the exams talking...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 16, 2007, 05:46:09 PM
Ok lol i will take them over break and then Flyaway can have them - Pikey I will trade you for your property or civ pro supplements - i have torts and crim supplements... that is my offer - do you accept? :P

<----- HATES TORTS, WANTS TORTS TO BE OVER IMMEDIATELY, MISSES CONTRACTS :(

I accept, but would like to add the stipulation that you return them to the blsa office after the semester is over (yes, i realise that it's a counteroffer, not an acceptance).  I can give you your supplements back or donate them to whoever.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 16, 2007, 05:48:42 PM
Ok lol i will take them over break and then Flyaway can have them - Pikey I will trade you for your property or civ pro supplements - i have torts and crim supplements... that is my offer - do you accept? :P

<----- HATES TORTS, WANTS TORTS TO BE OVER IMMEDIATELY, MISSES CONTRACTS :(

I accept, but would like to add the stipulation that you return them to the blsa office after the semester is over (yes, i realise that it's a counteroffer, not an acceptance).  I can give you your supplements back or donate them to whoever.

We're reading supplements over break? What variety?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 16, 2007, 06:10:36 PM
hehe.  I just like him because he says "because" funny. It's going well....conlaw exam tomorrow and I'm currently taking issue with the Con Law E+E's interpretation of the commerce clause.  I think that Rehnquist wrote the damned E+E from the grave or something--- It make it sound as if his opinion in Lopez was in accordance with all post-WW2 commerce clause jurisprudence.  Maybe that's valid i fyou're on crack or something, but clearly it should present a counterargument to that.... you know what? I'm a geek.  I'm gonna shut up now.

Thanks Bouzie--you just got geek juice all over me. 

<----hopes geek juice doesn't stain.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 16, 2007, 06:11:38 PM
Ok lol i will take them over break and then Flyaway can have them - Pikey I will trade you for your property or civ pro supplements - i have torts and crim supplements... that is my offer - do you accept? :P

<----- HATES TORTS, WANTS TORTS TO BE OVER IMMEDIATELY, MISSES CONTRACTS :(

I accept, but would like to add the stipulation that you return them to the blsa office after the semester is over (yes, i realise that it's a counteroffer, not an acceptance).  I can give you your supplements back or donate them to whoever.

We're reading supplements over break? What variety?

Not reading.  Just trading for next semester.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 16, 2007, 06:36:11 PM
as a current michigan student and formerly active lsder, I should join this thread even tho I'm not part of the cool crowd. so hi.

You could be part of the cool crowd if you would REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY!

This is a good point. I had completely forgotten about the Poster until I saw this. We've all been here long enough it would be fun to know!

Seriously? Gengis and Bouzie know who I am, not to mention Thing. I just assumed everyone else did too by now.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on December 16, 2007, 07:18:02 PM
What happened to all the talk about how cool Mich is? I want to keep reading about it. I've reached the point where I'm beginning to reread various raving reviews. You guys gotta keep it alive!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 16, 2007, 07:19:01 PM
You have to ask more questions!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 16, 2007, 07:24:26 PM
Behold: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,73525.0.html  :D

I'm just too damn old and tired and lazy to do all of my usual cheerleading again.  But that's what the 2010 crowd is for! 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on December 16, 2007, 07:50:35 PM
I have no questions because I haven't yet fully committed. However, I still love the school:D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on December 16, 2007, 07:58:36 PM
Bah! I already read that thread.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: JSMnyny on December 17, 2007, 09:08:38 AM
Hey guys, I have a few financial aid and housing ?'s. 

Looking back at LSN from last year, it looks like there is a pretty weak link between LSAT/GPA and (non-Darrow) scholarships.  What am I missing here?  Maybe I'm misreading LSN and some of what people is posting is need based?  Also, should I expect to hear about merit scholarships as a part of a broader financial aid "package" in the spring, or sometime before then? 

How is the housing market out there?  Has anybody bought a place, rented part of it to classmates and flipped it in 3 years?   

Thanks, and hopefully I'll see you guys in the fall!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 09:32:22 AM
Hey guys, I have a few financial aid and housing ?'s. 

Looking back at LSN from last year, it looks like there is a pretty weak link between LSAT/GPA and (non-Darrow) scholarships.  What am I missing here?  Maybe I'm misreading LSN and some of what people is posting is need based?  Also, should I expect to hear about merit scholarships as a part of a broader financial aid "package" in the spring, or sometime before then? 

How is the housing market out there?  Has anybody bought a place, rented part of it to classmates and flipped it in 3 years?   

Thanks, and hopefully I'll see you guys in the fall!

I'm certainly not an authority on scholarship and aid stuff (people rarely discuss it once they're here, as you might well imagine ;))  I'd say that it's very tough to distinguish between merit and need-based aid beyond a certain point.  For example, last year I had a (presumably need-based) grant.  This year, my aid actually increased and it's now a named scholarship - but I don't have any reason to think it's merit-based, unless they're rewarding my tendency to sell the school.  In general, you'll hear about money stuff in the spring. 

The housing market is weird.  I moved here from Manhattan, and I still think that Ann Arbor is oddly expensive.  That said, the housing is affordable on the student budget.  I know a few people my year who bought, but I don't know that many of this year's 1Ls went that route.  Right now, I'd say that buying here is risky unless you intend to stay in Ann Arbor, or have the kind of funds that you could keep it as an investment property post-graduation.  There's not much flipping going on.  The economy is really in the shitter.  AA used to be fairly insulated from the worst of Michigan's money woes, but the tide has turned with the exodus of Pfizer.  My vague sense is that the market really isn't moving, and people have been forced to keep their homes as rental properties since they don't sell.   It's probably having a positive effect on the rental market, tho, at least once you leave the area immediately surrounding Central Campus. 

Are you coming to one of the preview weekends?  We show you prospies a good time...that's how we rope 'em in!  :D

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: JSMnyny on December 17, 2007, 09:45:10 AM
Thanks for the response.  I'll (likely) be moving to AA from Manhattan as well, and I'm having the same reaction to the housing costs.  I have to assume you "get more for your money," but still! 

I'm 100% attending one of the preview weekends, I'm just not sure which.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: JSMnyny on December 17, 2007, 10:34:50 AM
Can somebody PM me the UN for the admitted students site?  I remember the password I think. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 17, 2007, 12:05:21 PM
I know a 2L whose rent actually went down this year.  So, yeah, I think it's a decent rental market.  Coming from the DC suburbs, I think the pricing is great.  I mean, it's not night and day, but to me, living 3 miles from campus and having a nice place for less than I would have paid for something smaller and further away from work.

But no, it's not as cheap as Durham.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on December 17, 2007, 01:30:19 PM
I'll be there for the March preview!

Is there really 10 inches of snow in Michigan right now? (read on CNN)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 17, 2007, 01:31:45 PM
Yup, it's AWESOME.  I jump into a snowbank whenever I find a deep one.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 17, 2007, 02:51:18 PM
There is a lot of snow on the ground, but it really wasn't that cold today or anything (or yesterday while it was snowing, for that matter). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 17, 2007, 03:07:41 PM
Ummm... yes it was.

But I loved the snowstorm anyway.  I want another.  My husband tells me I'll be sick of this in February.  But in February we have SPRING BREAK.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on December 17, 2007, 03:10:33 PM
Ummm... yes it was.


tee hee hee...you're from Virginia, right? Just wait until we get the 10 degree days with -5 degree windchill. Ohh Michigan!! We just love you. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 03:14:25 PM
Ummm... yes it was.


tee hee hee...you're from Virginia, right? Just wait until we get the 10 degree days with -5 degree windchill. Ohh Michigan!! We just love you. :)

Umm, yeah.

<-- from NY.  No novelty factor.  Considerably less charmed. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 17, 2007, 04:26:25 PM
Ummm... yes it was.


tee hee hee...you're from Virginia, right? Just wait until we get the 10 degree days with -5 degree windchill. Ohh Michigan!! We just love you. :)

I lived in Virginia right before law school, but really from Florida/Georgia!  But I've lived in Chicago and Germany.  But in downtown Chicago a snowstorm isn't the same.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on December 17, 2007, 05:12:15 PM
I've lived in Michigan pretty much forever. And while the cold can certainly be brutal at times (early-mid January tends to be the worst), I absolutely love the evening before and morning after a huge snowfall. I was out walking around Saturday night when we were getting all the snow and it was just sooo beautiful. Many of the houses around me have up their Xmas lights and that, combined with the fresh snow on the trees, is like seriously majestic. But yea, a day and a half later it all looks like brown slush. Yuck.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 17, 2007, 05:22:53 PM
I really want a non-finals snowstorm just like this so that I can go sledding.  I haven't done it in YEARS.

Btw... 1Ls are done with our second final!  Just Friday's final still to go!  I let myself watch both the Survivor finale and the ANTM finale (recorded) as study breaks this afternoon/evening.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 17, 2007, 05:50:12 PM
I really want a non-finals snowstorm just like this so that I can go sledding.  I haven't done it in YEARS.

Btw... 1Ls are done with our second final!  Just Friday's final still to go!  I let myself watch both the Survivor finale and the ANTM finale (recorded) as study breaks this afternoon/evening.

I'll have to ask my sister where it is, but we used to go sledding at the arboretum in Ann Arbor when I was young.  They had the best hills ever (and lots of signs saying "No Sledding"). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rabbit9198 on December 17, 2007, 05:51:06 PM
Got my Michigan acceptance package today - yippee! I am actually really attracted to Michigan b/c of the weather (I'm originally from another "gosh it's always cold there" Great Lakes state, so I'd LOVE to go back to the snow), so it was an exciting start to a snow-less week here.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 17, 2007, 05:54:46 PM
Got my Michigan acceptance package today - yippee! I am actually really attracted to Michigan b/c of the weather (I'm originally from another "gosh it's always cold there" Great Lakes state, so I'd LOVE to go back to the snow), so it was an exciting start to a snow-less week here.

You're sure to have some tough choices with your numbers, but Michigan is a great school in a great place.  Are you going to try to visit for the ASW?  I don't think they show any snow in the video, but I can assure you there is plenty!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 06:10:28 PM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/151435712_edefd2f30c.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 17, 2007, 06:20:58 PM
The quad looked amazing today!  Probably extra amazing with the post-exam euphoria.  But the blanket of snow helped!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on December 17, 2007, 06:31:48 PM
...in Michigan... it all looks like brown slush. Yuck.

Completely agree.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 06:46:18 PM
jolie...that's a farking BEAUTIFUL picture.

BEAUTIFUL.

BTW, I will have no problem Michigan cheerleading next year on LSD.  Actually I've been doing a rigoddamndiculous amount of cheerleading for Mich on TLS already
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 06:51:46 PM
jolie...that's a farking BEAUTIFUL picture.

BEAUTIFUL.

BTW, I will have no problem Michigan cheerleading next year on LSD.  Actually I've been doing a rigoddamndiculous amount of cheerleading for Mich on TLS already

I wish I could take credit for it, but it's a Flickr find.  (In fact, I didn't even find it...my friend N. did.)  Pretty f-in incredible though, no?  

How's Ithaca?  This weather is making me nostalgic for that other beautiful hippie college town I used to live in - you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 06:59:33 PM
it's pretty darn cold.  but like you said, they've been doing a good job with the snow. 

I've been holed up and home the last couple days working and messing around the house with my housemates.  I have no motivation to go outside except to get food and go to the gym.

Fortunately my housemates have felt the same way otherwise I would be a hermit.

If you want any souvenirs, let me know.  Ithaca is Gorges T-shirts or ... ooh... CTB sells hats now! 

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 07:11:37 PM
you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P

This concerned me.  I'm glad someone else noticed.

And how! 

Dear Michigan,
(in re. teh snowz)

You are cordially invited to invest in some winter essentials.  Nothing too high-tech; some rock salt and sand, perhaps a plow or two.  If there's any confusion about how to employ said implements, I feel confident that upstate NY would be happy to lend a hand.  (Wouldn't count on Ohio, though.  Those rubes seem to hold some sort of grudge.) 

Here's the thing: the white fluffy stuff?  It happens every year.  And every year you seem to respond in the sluggish, slightly stunned manner we'd expect of, say, South Carolina.  But here?  I mean, look north.  Do you know what that is kissing your border?  It's Canada.  Freaking Canada!  Take my word for it - the snow should not be a surprise. 

Feel free to contact me if I may be of any assistance in this endeavor.  Hell, I'll hit the streets with a shovel - anything to help speed this process along. 

Regards,
Jolie

p.s. Don't be scared, newbies!  I'd still choose this school even knowing what I know now.  I'm just finals-cranky. 

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 17, 2007, 07:13:18 PM
Ummm... yes it was.

But I loved the snowstorm anyway.  I want another.  My husband tells me I'll be sick of this in February.  But in February we have SPRING BREAK.

I don't.  It was not awesome (after 5 mins of novelty wore off).  It was gross and slushy and I had to walk to school in the dark for my exam.  Gross! Gross! Gross!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 17, 2007, 07:13:57 PM
I really want a non-finals snowstorm just like this so that I can go sledding.  I haven't done it in YEARS.

Btw... 1Ls are done with our second final!  Just Friday's final still to go!  I let myself watch both the Survivor finale and the ANTM finale (recorded) as study breaks this afternoon/evening.

<--watched them both live  :D

Mwahahaha
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 07:14:45 PM
 ;D

I think I'm going to start a countdown clock...number of days to Michigan.

As opposed to how I felt before college started or before grad school started...this time....





I CANNOT WAIT.  




that is all
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 17, 2007, 07:15:10 PM
The quad looked amazing today! Probably extra amazing with the post-exam euphoria.  But the blanket of snow helped!

If piles of snow is your idea of amazing  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 17, 2007, 07:16:45 PM
/cranky

I have a serious question.  Is it my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk outside my house?  I  just assumed that since it's a public sidewalk in a city, the city should take care of it, but maybe I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 07:19:51 PM
/cranky

I have a serious question.  Is it my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk outside my house?  I  just assumed that since it's a public sidewalk in a city, the city should take care of it, but maybe I'm wrong...

No, sidewalk maintenance is a private affair.  I would check your lease to see whether it's your job or your landlord's (but my money's on you and the other tenants.  :()  That's one thing I miss about being in the city with maintenance staff to handle all of that...although it is kind of fun to get out in the fresh snow.  
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 07:22:48 PM
/cranky

I have a serious question.  Is it my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk outside my house?  I  just assumed that since it's a public sidewalk in a city, the city should take care of it, but maybe I'm wrong...

No, sidewalk maintenance is a private affair.  I would check your lease to see whether it's your job or your landlord's (but my money's on you and the other tenants.  :()  That's one thing I miss about being in the city with maintenance staff to handle all of that...although it is kind of fun to get out in the fresh snow.  


yeah...even in ithaca, you have to clean your own snow.  fortunately, I live in an apt, where they do that for you.

Wait...so the university doesn't clean their own walks and roads?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 17, 2007, 07:24:01 PM
/cranky

I have a serious question.  Is it my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk outside my house?  I  just assumed that since it's a public sidewalk in a city, the city should take care of it, but maybe I'm wrong...

No, sidewalk maintenance is a private affair.  I would check your lease to see whether it's your job or your landlord's (but my money's on you and the other tenants.  :()  That's one thing I miss about being in the city with maintenance staff to handle all of that...although it is kind of fun to get out in the fresh snow. 

That sucks balls.  Hopefully my three neighbors will get their act together and handle that one.  :P  Awesome, the university does clean their own walks/roads, but I don't live on campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 17, 2007, 07:29:08 PM
Yeah, I think you are going to be stuck shoveling your own sidewalk.  God knows I've done that enough times!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 07:29:38 PM
/cranky

I have a serious question.  Is it my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk outside my house?  I  just assumed that since it's a public sidewalk in a city, the city should take care of it, but maybe I'm wrong...

No, sidewalk maintenance is a private affair.  I would check your lease to see whether it's your job or your landlord's (but my money's on you and the other tenants.  :()  That's one thing I miss about being in the city with maintenance staff to handle all of that...although it is kind of fun to get out in the fresh snow. 

That sucks balls.  Hopefully my three neighbors will get their act together and handle that one.  :P  Awesome, the university does clean their own walks/roads, but I don't live on campus.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm positively beaming.  Did you just say "sucks balls"?  Oh M., I am so proud!  
(Or have you always been a potty mouth and I just don't see enough of you?)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 17, 2007, 07:30:38 PM
Yeah, I think you are going to be stuck shoveling your own sidewalk.  God knows I've done that enough times!

I'm from an island.  I don't shovel snow.   :P

/fobby spoiled brat
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 17, 2007, 07:32:53 PM
/cranky

I have a serious question.  Is it my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk outside my house?  I  just assumed that since it's a public sidewalk in a city, the city should take care of it, but maybe I'm wrong...

No, sidewalk maintenance is a private affair.  I would check your lease to see whether it's your job or your landlord's (but my money's on you and the other tenants.  :()  That's one thing I miss about being in the city with maintenance staff to handle all of that...although it is kind of fun to get out in the fresh snow. 

That sucks balls.  Hopefully my three neighbors will get their act together and handle that one.  :P  Awesome, the university does clean their own walks/roads, but I don't live on campus.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm positively beaming.  Did you just say "sucks balls"?  Oh M., I am so proud! 
(Or have you always been a potty mouth and I just don't see enough of you?)

It comes out at times, though sucks balls is fairly regular.  You should hear me on the phone with my sister (Hey female dog, shutafuckup, etc).  The bf looks at me like I'm crazy.   :D

But I also don't see enough of you!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 17, 2007, 07:34:10 PM
Yeah, I think you are going to be stuck shoveling your own sidewalk.  God knows I've done that enough times!

I'm from an island.  I don't shovel snow.   :P

/fobby spoiled brat

That's one of the reasons I moved into a condo (though I really question my decision now).  However, yesterday they came to clear our walks about 10 minutes after my wife made me go out and shovel so she could get to my car for our Sunday night card game at Grandma's house. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 07:36:13 PM
/cranky

I have a serious question.  Is it my responsibility to shovel the sidewalk outside my house?  I  just assumed that since it's a public sidewalk in a city, the city should take care of it, but maybe I'm wrong...

In every other city I've lived in where snow is common, the city DID take care of it.

wtf.

Hmm.  You must have just lived in the right buildings where someone else took care of it.  Even in NYC it's the resident/tenant/homeowner's responsibility.  

(According to Sect. 16-123 of the city code.  I just looked it up.  THAT'S how much I don't want to study for Transnat.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on December 17, 2007, 07:39:25 PM
...

How's Ithaca?  This weather is making me nostalgic for that other beautiful hippie college town I used to live in - you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P

Ithaca & Beautiful college town?  It's pretty commonly known around here as Troy-West and any upstate NY'er worth their salt KNOWS that is not at all an endearing term...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 07:43:41 PM
How's Ithaca?  This weather is making me nostalgic for that other beautiful hippie college town I used to live in - you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P

Ithaca & Beautiful college town?  It's pretty commonly known around here as Troy-West and any upstate NY'er worth their salt KNOWS that is not at all an endearing term...

Worth my salt?  I'll see your Troy and raise you a Watervliet.  (I went to college in Albany, stayed for almost 9 years total and looooove that region.) 

But I enjoyed my time in Ithaca.  Wouldn't want to live there long-term, but it was a great place to be a grad student.  And who could possibly say it's not beautiful?!  Isolated?  Sure.  Small?  I'll grant you that.  But not beautiful?  Hmmm... 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 07:47:14 PM
it's gorges.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on December 17, 2007, 07:48:49 PM
How's Ithaca?  This weather is making me nostalgic for that other beautiful hippie college town I used to live in - you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P

Ithaca & Beautiful college town?  It's pretty commonly known around here as Troy-West and any upstate NY'er worth their salt KNOWS that is not at all an endearing term...

Worth my salt?  I'll see your Troy and raise you a Watervliet.  (I went to college in Albany, stayed for almost 9 years total and looooove that region.) 

But I enjoyed my time in Ithaca.  Wouldn't want to live there long-term, but it was a great place to be a grad student.  And who could possibly say it's not beautiful?!  Isolated?  Sure.  Small?  I'll grant you that.  But not beautiful?  Hmmm... 

I'm just talking out of jealousy... :)

I'd certainly trade my Troy campus for Cornell's campus without really hesitating.  I've lived in the Albany area (Troy more specifically) for, oh 22+ years now, so I am ready to GO.  Seems like Ann Arbor isn't much of a step up though?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 07:53:51 PM
How's Ithaca?  This weather is making me nostalgic for that other beautiful hippie college town I used to live in - you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P

Ithaca & Beautiful college town?  It's pretty commonly known around here as Troy-West and any upstate NY'er worth their salt KNOWS that is not at all an endearing term...

Worth my salt?  I'll see your Troy and raise you a Watervliet.  (I went to college in Albany, stayed for almost 9 years total and looooove that region.) 

But I enjoyed my time in Ithaca.  Wouldn't want to live there long-term, but it was a great place to be a grad student.  And who could possibly say it's not beautiful?!  Isolated?  Sure.  Small?  I'll grant you that.  But not beautiful?  Hmmm... 

I'm just talking out of jealousy... :)

I'd certainly trade my Troy campus for Cornell's campus without really hesitating.  I've lived in the Albany area (Troy more specifically) for, oh 22+ years now, so I am ready to GO.  Seems like Ann Arbor isn't much of a step up though?

Nah, I'm messing around, cuz - like I said - I'm cranky and old and sick of this semester.  Ann Arbor is great, but I am an unapologetic, died-in-the-wool, totally and completely biased New Yorker.  I love the whole damn state (well, kinda indifferent to Western NY, and we should float Long Island out to sea...)  Don't worry, love, I'll be there in a few days!*

* and by 'love', I of course mean 'New York'.   
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on December 17, 2007, 07:57:41 PM
How's Ithaca?  This weather is making me nostalgic for that other beautiful hippie college town I used to live in - you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P

Ithaca & Beautiful college town?  It's pretty commonly known around here as Troy-West and any upstate NY'er worth their salt KNOWS that is not at all an endearing term...

Worth my salt?  I'll see your Troy and raise you a Watervliet.  (I went to college in Albany, stayed for almost 9 years total and looooove that region.) 

But I enjoyed my time in Ithaca.  Wouldn't want to live there long-term, but it was a great place to be a grad student.  And who could possibly say it's not beautiful?!  Isolated?  Sure.  Small?  I'll grant you that.  But not beautiful?  Hmmm... 

I'm just talking out of jealousy... :)

I'd certainly trade my Troy campus for Cornell's campus without really hesitating.  I've lived in the Albany area (Troy more specifically) for, oh 22+ years now, so I am ready to GO.  Seems like Ann Arbor isn't much of a step up though?

Nah, I'm messing around, cuz - like I said - I'm cranky and old and sick of this semester.  Ann Arbor is great, but I am an unapologetic, died-in-the-wool, totally and completely biased New Yorker.  I love the whole damn state (well, kinda indifferent to Western NY, and we should float Long Island out to sea...)  Don't worry, love, I'll be there in a few days!*

* and by 'love', I of course mean 'New York'.   

Yea', I didn't mean Ann Arbor was bad from anything you said, just my impression in general.  Cold, wet, short-summered area with little to do other than the university?  I've already had that for my UG (and all my growing up years).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 07:58:38 PM
boop de doop.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on December 17, 2007, 08:01:23 PM
[university]?

Si.  If you don't mind could you edit out the name of school when you get a chance (super-paranoid here).  Don't think anybody would search me down by town, but they could be univ-name (especially for a non-lawyerly place like [troy-school]).  How do you know it?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2007, 08:02:29 PM
[university]?

Si.  If you don't mind could you edit out the name of school when you get a chance (super-paranoid here).  Don't think anybody would search me down by town, but they could be univ-name (especially for a non-lawyerly place like [troy-school]).  How do you know it?

:D  He's an engineer.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on December 17, 2007, 08:04:26 PM
[university]?

Si.  If you don't mind could you edit out the name of school when you get a chance (super-paranoid here).  Don't think anybody would search me down by town, but they could be univ-name (especially for a non-lawyerly place like [troy-school]).  How do you know it?

:D  He's an engineer.

Only for 6 months. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 09:32:16 PM
done.


Yeah.  Finishing my PhD in EE.  But actually the reason that I know it is that I knew someone who went there. 

RPI seems really nice and there are an awful lot of bright people there.   but I have to tell you that Troy is one of the most nightmarish college towns I've ever had the misfortune of crossing paths with.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 17, 2007, 10:12:10 PM
so is the watercooler talk all Rich Rodriguez this, Rich Rodriguez that?

OR

Is it more like "exams suck...shoot me"
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on December 17, 2007, 10:26:10 PM
so is the watercooler talk all Rich Rodriguez this, Rich Rodriguez that?

OR

Is it more like "exams suck...shoot me"

A little of both in addition to "OH MY GOD THERE ARE THREE INCHES OF SNOW ON THE GROUND, CALL IN THE NATIONAL GUARD!"

I'm basing this all off the the listserv.  I don't think I've had a conversation with an actual, real life person in like 2 weeks.  Actually it seriously was Jolie like 2 weeks ago.  Exams are no fun.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 17, 2007, 11:08:05 PM
How's Ithaca?  This weather is making me nostalgic for that other beautiful hippie college town I used to live in - you know, the one in a state where they believe in and practice snow removal.   :P

Ithaca & Beautiful college town?  It's pretty commonly known around here as Troy-West and any upstate NY'er worth their salt KNOWS that is not at all an endearing term...

Worth my salt?  I'll see your Troy and raise you a Watervliet.  (I went to college in Albany, stayed for almost 9 years total and looooove that region.) 

But I enjoyed my time in Ithaca.  Wouldn't want to live there long-term, but it was a great place to be a grad student.  And who could possibly say it's not beautiful?!  Isolated?  Sure.  Small?  I'll grant you that.  But not beautiful?  Hmmm... 

I'm just talking out of jealousy... :)

I'd certainly trade my Troy campus for Cornell's campus without really hesitating.  I've lived in the Albany area (Troy more specifically) for, oh 22+ years now, so I am ready to GO.  Seems like Ann Arbor isn't much of a step up though?

Nah, I'm messing around, cuz - like I said - I'm cranky and old and sick of this semester.  Ann Arbor is great, but I am an unapologetic, died-in-the-wool, totally and completely biased New Yorker.  I love the whole damn state (well, kinda indifferent to Western NY, and we should float Long Island out to sea...)  Don't worry, love, I'll be there in a few days!*

* and by 'love', I of course mean 'New York'.   

Yea', I didn't mean Ann Arbor was bad from anything you said, just my impression in general.  Cold, wet, short-summered area with little to do other than the university?  I've already had that for my UG (and all my growing up years).

I've read this thread in reverse, but AA is WAY cooler than Troy, if that's what we're talking about.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 17, 2007, 11:14:16 PM

I've read this thread in reverse, but AA is WAY cooler than Troy, if that's what we're talking about.


cooler or colder?

It's not appreciably colder, that's for sure. Upstate NY is some cold ass *&^%.  Where you're from, however, probably is colder.

LAKE EFFECT TO THE DOME!!

Exit 45, out!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 18, 2007, 04:42:22 AM

Wait...so the university doesn't clean their own walks and roads?

Yes they do!  Don't listen to cranky pikey.  The quad looked amazing.  The sidewalks were clear... it was the grassy areas that had a beautiful blanket of snow!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 18, 2007, 04:48:01 AM
I don't think I've had a conversation with an actual, real life person in like 2 weeks.  Actually it seriously was Jolie like 2 weeks ago.  Exams are no fun.

but, like, you have roommates.

His roommates, ummm... don't sleep at home much.

Anyway, Bouzie, hourly IMs with me are superior to lawopen conversation!

And for the record TEN AND A HALF INCHES!  Way awesomer than three inches, all you grinches.

So, piggie, did GCoop actually wear a suit to one of his exams?  Do I need to kick his ass?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 18, 2007, 06:26:04 AM
All the time in person.  A lot of us are good friends and I think everyone on here has at least one (I have five or six, but I think that's extreme) sectionmates on LSD.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: JSMnyny on December 18, 2007, 07:29:05 AM
Can somebody PM me the admitted students username?  I'm dying to get on there and I cant remember it!

Please?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: JSMnyny on December 18, 2007, 07:54:09 AM
Can somebody PM me the admitted students username?  I'm dying to get on there and I cant remember it!

Please?  Thanks.

um, maybe I need to authenticate my accepted status?

haha come on guys, wheres the love?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 18, 2007, 07:58:22 AM
I'd help you if I knew it.

That said, I bet you dollars to donuts that if you just call the admissions office the person who answers the phone will be happy to give it to you.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 18, 2007, 09:02:11 AM
So, piggie, did GCoop actually wear a suit to one of his exams?  Do I need to kick his ass?

oh yeah, full out.  he had the front pocket handkerchief and everything.

 :D

pocket square, n00b!

(sorry, piggy, i didn't mean it)

(see how collegial we are. so collegial.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 18, 2007, 09:22:24 AM
Sweet.  GCoop better watch out.  I'm coming for him.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 18, 2007, 09:52:11 AM
"If you must have weird, almost disturbing cult like student body and alumni loyalty, Michigan also wins. "

someone wrote that on TLS comparing Michigan to another school.


I dig it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 18, 2007, 10:30:09 AM
Jolie is now halfway through law school.  How quickly time flies!
 ;D

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 18, 2007, 11:27:07 AM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 18, 2007, 11:27:37 AM
Jolie....you're done?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 18, 2007, 11:33:43 AM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

Drinking neither necessary nor sufficient for enjoying the ASW.  It's worth going.  They give you the hotel room (practically), you get a nice chance to meet the faculty and make a bunch of friends with people who will also be coming to school.  Good chance to also look for and consider housing, meet potential roommates, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 18, 2007, 11:48:45 AM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 18, 2007, 11:54:19 AM
Congrats Jolie!

Matthew... I didn't drink a single time at an ASW. :)  My favorite part was meeting the current students... definitely gave me a sense of where I thought I'd fit in best.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: smiley on December 18, 2007, 02:42:14 PM
Haha, Jolie!!! You totally posted on LSD!!!!
Class of 2009, half way through! Hells yeah!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 18, 2007, 04:29:28 PM
I love how we're already dominating the '11 threads.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 18, 2007, 04:31:03 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs? It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

i didn't go to one and i missed out on the cult, so you should prolly go to one.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 18, 2007, 04:40:08 PM
anybody know which one would be the better one to go to?  just historically speaking.

even though I'm already locked in, they're cool with me going, so I'm taking advantage of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 18, 2007, 04:46:50 PM
the earlier one > the later one last year, but that's only because a bunch of ppl all said they were going, and people piled on

no idea this year
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 18, 2007, 04:50:10 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 18, 2007, 06:13:09 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned

What do you think you found at the ASW that caused that?

For people who went to ASWs at Michigan at other schools, how did they compare?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 18, 2007, 06:14:32 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned

What do you think you found at the ASW that caused that?

For people who went to ASWs at Michigan at other schools, how did they compare?

Michigan ASW : Northwestern ASD :: Godfather 2 : Godfather 3
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 18, 2007, 06:17:26 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned

What do you think you found at the ASW that caused that?

For people who went to ASWs at Michigan at other schools, how did they compare?

Michigan ASW : Northwestern ASD :: Godfather 2 : Godfather 3

I've never seen any of them, so...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 18, 2007, 06:24:54 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned

What do you think you found at the ASW that caused that?

For people who went to ASWs at Michigan at other schools, how did they compare?

I went to Columbia and NYU's ASW and Michigan was definitely way better than both of those.  The way that Michigan's is organised (entire weekend, everyone in the same hotel) really gives you the opportunity to get to know current students and your future classmates.  You actually want to hang out together and there's plenty of opportunity for both formal and informal social events.  It was definitely the best!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 18, 2007, 06:33:34 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned

What do you think you found at the ASW that caused that?

For people who went to ASWs at Michigan at other schools, how did they compare?

Well, let me first of all say that I don't get people who make this decision without visiting places.  I think it's asinine.  It's useful not only because you get to meet people who may be your classmates, but a lot of the schools' intangibles manifest themselves over the course of a few days.  Even though the whole goal of the ASW is to blow smoke up the school's own ass, it's pretty easy to see past the Potemkin village that gets set up at these things.  I got a real feel for how and where people live, the pace of life, the type of students, and the administration's potential for making my life easier or more difficult.  Michigan's admissions staff is known for being impossibly nice and helpful (Dean Z will routinely talk to conflicted students about the actual merits of Michigan vs. Other Schools in a disinterested way) and the ASW confirmed for me that it would be a great place to spend 3 years.  All of the current students I met were fantastic.  A few of us were walking aimlessly down State Street after finding ourselves kicked out of a restaurant/bar at 11pm and ran into a few current students who immediately invited us out with them and their friends.  A similar thing happened at the bar night as well.  Basically, the ASW really sold me on the community aspects of Michigan, which is something I didn't really see at NYU and Columbia for obvious reasons.  Students and alumni are incredibly proud to have gone here, and as someone who transferred 1-3 times as an undergrad, I found this really attractive.  Also, your impression of Ann Arbor will almost certainly be more positive after a visit than before.  There's a really high density of restaurants, concert halls and General Stuff to Do Venues that is pretty surprising for a town this small. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 18, 2007, 06:37:57 PM
intangibles

just like derek jeter
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 18, 2007, 06:47:03 PM
thanks for that hollow. 

I'm definitely going now!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 18, 2007, 07:23:39 PM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned

What do you think you found at the ASW that caused that?

For people who went to ASWs at Michigan at other schools, how did they compare?

Michigan ASW : Northwestern ASD :: Godfather 2 : Godfather 3

THAT BAD?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on December 18, 2007, 08:57:03 PM
So will those of you currently at Michigan come out and play with us at ASW? I'm looking forward to meeting you guys! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 18, 2007, 09:06:53 PM
they had better.....if they're playing in our thread but won't play with us in person at ASW....well.... that's just sadness.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 18, 2007, 09:07:41 PM
We'll definitely be around.  Some of us our already involved with admissions stuff as tour guides, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on December 18, 2007, 09:20:58 PM
We'll definitely be around.  Some of us our already involved with admissions stuff as tour guides, etc.

That's awesome. Will you be taking us out on bar tours too? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 18, 2007, 09:23:57 PM
We'll definitely be around.  Some of us our already involved with admissions stuff as tour guides, etc.

That's awesome. Will you be taking us out on bar tours too? ;)

If I know the rest of them as well as I think I do, hell yeah!  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 19, 2007, 05:31:38 AM
It was pretty funny last year, esp. at the 1st ASW.  Several LSDers from my class were volunteers.  I think the rest of the room was mystified, since at dinner the first night we were all laughing and dancing around and basically acting like crazy old friends (which, in a sense, we were.)  No one could figure out how we had bonded so quickly. 

Be forewarned, though.  The retention rate for people who come to the ASD is ridiculous.  We'll getcha!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 19, 2007, 05:43:43 AM
I wanted to tag this thread for keeping up with, but I also had a question.

How useful did people find ASWs?  It seems from reading that they mostly consist of drinking, which I'm not really into, and bringing one into the cult, which I'd be absolutely fine with.

I found them incredibly useful. I wouldn't be at Michigan had I not come.

cosigned

What do you think you found at the ASW that caused that?

For people who went to ASWs at Michigan at other schools, how did they compare?

Well, let me first of all say that I don't get people who make this decision without visiting places.  I think it's asinine.  It's useful not only because you get to meet people who may be your classmates, but a lot of the schools' intangibles manifest themselves over the course of a few days.  Even though the whole goal of the ASW is to blow smoke up the school's own ass, it's pretty easy to see past the Potemkin village that gets set up at these things.  I got a real feel for how and where people live, the pace of life, the type of students, and the administration's potential for making my life easier or more difficult.  Michigan's admissions staff is known for being impossibly nice and helpful (Dean Z will routinely talk to conflicted students about the actual merits of Michigan vs. Other Schools in a disinterested way) and the ASW confirmed for me that it would be a great place to spend 3 years.  All of the current students I met were fantastic.  A few of us were walking aimlessly down State Street after finding ourselves kicked out of a restaurant/bar at 11pm and ran into a few current students who immediately invited us out with them and their friends.  A similar thing happened at the bar night as well.  Basically, the ASW really sold me on the community aspects of Michigan, which is something I didn't really see at NYU and Columbia for obvious reasons.  Students and alumni are incredibly proud to have gone here, and as someone who transferred 1-3 times as an undergrad, I found this really attractive.  Also, your impression of Ann Arbor will almost certainly be more positive after a visit than before.  There's a really high density of restaurants, concert halls and General Stuff to Do Venues that is pretty surprising for a town this small. 

I'm so proud of you for your use of "Potemkin village"!  I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone use that outside my old field.

I have to say that even coming from the DC suburbs, I feel like there are more and better restaurants here.  I'm sure that's not true, but what's causing that perception is the density, like Hollowman says.  For great restaurants in DC, I would have to drive around in traffic (which means we didn't go much)... maybe Old Town, maybe in the city, maybe Tyson's.  Here they're all so convenient.

I went to Michigan's and UVA's ASWs and visited Duke independently.  I had a great visit at Duke, but it's *so* hard to compare ASWs to independent visits.  If possible, I'd do all of your schools one way or the other.

In terms of UVA, it was nice, but there wasn't nearly as much offered socially.  Once the official program was over, that was pretty much it.  People scattered.  Everything was optional at Michigan's, and plenty of people skipped plenty of things, but there was so much available to do if you wanted to do it.

And I really was drawn to the student population more at Michigan.  UVA students are perfectly nice, but I was clicked with Michigan's better, both in terms of friendliness and diversity (not just talking about race here).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 19, 2007, 10:33:29 AM
Did anyone say when this year's ASWs are?  I'm trying to plan a spring break. (No I'm not in college anymore.  Wanna make something of it?)

Yes.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: littlemisssunshine on December 19, 2007, 10:59:50 AM
Did anyone say when this year's ASWs are?  I'm trying to plan a spring break. (No I'm not in college anymore.  Wanna make something of it?)

Mar 13-15 and Apr 3-5!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: TeresaPinfold on December 19, 2007, 11:05:02 AM
Just got a Darrow call 3 minutes ago, that makes me more likely to belong to thsi thread.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 19, 2007, 11:11:42 AM
It was pretty funny last year, esp. at the 1st ASW.  Several LSDers from my class were volunteers.  I think the rest of the room was mystified, since at dinner the first night we were all laughing and dancing around and basically acting like crazy old friends (which, in a sense, we were.)  No one could figure out how we had bonded so quickly. 

Be forewarned, though.  The retention rate for people who come to the ASD is ridiculous.  We'll getcha!

This actually sort of worries me.  I think I'll only be able to do one or two since I'm in Hawaii so the cost is so prohibitive and I'm an RA, so I'm not supposed to be gone often.

I feel like if I only go to one or two, it'll cause me to go to one of those schools without really getting a full picture of the other schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 19, 2007, 11:17:49 AM
Just got a Darrow call 3 minutes ago, that makes me more likely to belong to thsi thread.

That was them actually awarding it to you?

Congrats!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: TeresaPinfold on December 19, 2007, 11:22:17 AM
Yeah, full tuition + stipend, she said the actual offer letter might take a while because of holidays though.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 19, 2007, 12:05:32 PM
congrats teresa!



I think I'm looking at the March ASW pretty seriously. Going in April then starting in May doesn't seem to make much sense for some reason.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 19, 2007, 12:18:42 PM
Yeah, full tuition + stipend, she said the actual offer letter might take a while because of holidays though.

Congratulations! 

<----thinking I'm not going to be getting that call, which is upsetting but sorta expected.   :(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 19, 2007, 12:21:00 PM
Congrats Teresa!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 19, 2007, 12:22:44 PM
I'm going to be that guy and not look through the rest of the thread, but how soon can I expect a decision letter after it's been sent? I assume, given the holiday rush, not until after Christmas?

Usuall takes less than a week.  I'm not sure how the holidays will affect it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on December 19, 2007, 02:40:45 PM
Congratulations to everyone who get the Darrow!!! Super impressive.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on December 19, 2007, 02:42:41 PM
Yeah, full tuition + stipend, she said the actual offer letter might take a while because of holidays though.

Congratulations! 

<----thinking I'm not going to be getting that call, which is upsetting but sorta expected.   :(

Ender, did you get the invitation to apply?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 19, 2007, 04:02:13 PM
Yeah, full tuition + stipend, she said the actual offer letter might take a while because of holidays though.

Congratulations! 

<----thinking I'm not going to be getting that call, which is upsetting but sorta expected.   :(

Ender, did you get the invitation to apply?

No.  I thought I might have a slight chance, but I think my LSAT is a little too low.  There were some who got it with my numbers last year, but soft factors may have been involved. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 19, 2007, 04:12:34 PM
as a current michigan student and formerly active lsder, I should join this thread even tho I'm not part of the cool crowd. so hi.

You could be part of the cool crowd if you would REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY!

This is a good point. I had completely forgotten about the Poster until I saw this. We've all been here long enough it would be fun to know!

<---Knows.

(I just like to rub that in whenever possible.  Heya Duck!  Feels like I haven't seen you in ages, which is weird, considering.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 19, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
Yea', I didn't mean Ann Arbor was bad from anything you said, just my impression in general.  Cold, wet, short-summered area with little to do other than the university?  I've already had that for my UG (and all my growing up years).

It's not completely devoid of its entertainments - I'm sure in 3 years I'll have to kill someone, but for the moment I'd say Ann Arbor actually gives a fair impression of a place with things to do on a regular basis.

Also, you have to realize that anything involving UofM entire is not going to feel like it's in any way related to your scholastic experience.  For a law student, the university IS something to do (various clubs, etc.).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 19, 2007, 05:00:02 PM
as a current michigan student and formerly active lsder, I should join this thread even tho I'm not part of the cool crowd. so hi.

You could be part of the cool crowd if you would REVEAL YOUR IDENTITY!

This is a good point. I had completely forgotten about the Poster until I saw this. We've all been here long enough it would be fun to know!

<---Knows.

(I just like to rub that in whenever possible. Heya Duck! Feels like I haven't seen you in ages, which is weird, considering.)

Hey! I know, strangeness. Ready to be one-third of the way done with law school?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 19, 2007, 05:04:39 PM
Yeah, full tuition + stipend, she said the actual offer letter might take a while because of holidays though.

Congratulations! 

<----thinking I'm not going to be getting that call, which is upsetting but sorta expected.   :(

Ender, did you get the invitation to apply?

No.  I thought I might have a slight chance, but I think my LSAT is a little too low.  There were some who got it with my numbers last year, but soft factors may have been involved. 

I'm sure it's a soft factors thing - you have a very respectable LSAT, higher than a few people who Darrowed last year.  Besides, there's still a lot of scholarship money floating about.

(Oh, and congrats Teresa!)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 19, 2007, 05:07:10 PM
Hey! I know, strangeness. Ready to be one-third of the way done with law school?

Oh hell yes. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on December 19, 2007, 06:52:52 PM
Yeah, full tuition + stipend, she said the actual offer letter might take a while because of holidays though.

Congratulations! 

<----thinking I'm not going to be getting that call, which is upsetting but sorta expected.   :(

Ender, did you get the invitation to apply?

No.  I thought I might have a slight chance, but I think my LSAT is a little too low.  There were some who got it with my numbers last year, but soft factors may have been involved. 

You never know....you might still get the invitation. If not, I bet you will be eligible for plenty of other nice scholarships.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 19, 2007, 07:06:01 PM
Yeah, full tuition + stipend, she said the actual offer letter might take a while because of holidays though.

Congratulations! 

<----thinking I'm not going to be getting that call, which is upsetting but sorta expected.   :(

Ender, did you get the invitation to apply?

No.  I thought I might have a slight chance, but I think my LSAT is a little too low.  There were some who got it with my numbers last year, but soft factors may have been involved. 

You never know....you might still get the invitation. If not, I bet you will be eligible for plenty of other nice scholarships.  ;)

Yeah--hopefully I will be able to secure a nice package, but for now I will just go ahead and be worried.  I didn't get the 22k/year offer either, but I had already applied when people started getting them.  I wish I could just be done with this waiting! 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 19, 2007, 07:34:45 PM
I guess as a Darrow scholar (even one with serious misgivings about AA/Michigan), I better come over to this thread now...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 19, 2007, 07:41:36 PM
What misgivings?  We're real good at talking people out of those.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 19, 2007, 07:53:39 PM
I guess as a Darrow scholar (even one with serious misgivings about AA/Michigan), I better come over to this thread now...

Free money should always override any misgivings you may have. What's not to like?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 19, 2007, 08:32:12 PM
What misgivings?  We're real good at talking people out of those.

I grew up in a town of about 150,000 or so (Peoria, IL). I'm a bit worried there will similarly be nothing to do. No shopping, little culture, little 24 hour activity, etc. I moved to Chicago and fell in love with the big city and everything about it. I was concentrating on CCN mostly for the city life.

Other misgivings than "not being Chicago or NYC".....

Girlfriend wouldn't move there with me, it'd be 3 years of LD.

The big city thing again. That's mainly it - those 2 things.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 19, 2007, 09:11:47 PM
Is there still room in this thread for somewhat silly questions?

1.  I know the whole meeting people/living off campus thing has been addressed, but how do you, logistically, meet people if you live off-campus your first year?  I think it said ~1/2 of 1Ls live in the lawyer's club - how many of your friends live(d) there?  when you want to socialize, do you have to drive to meet these people?  Take the bus?  WALK?  Or are people more spread out?  I'm the laziest person I know, so if most of my friends all lived in the lawyer's club or grouped somewhere not near me where i'd always have to travel to meet them, i think i would never see them because of laziness.

2. Are there any cell phone providers that don't get good service in Ann Arbor?  Are there any that have a store right on campus?  My current contract runs out this summer, so i have to get a new one anyway.

Yeah, walk or drive...  there's no where too far away to meet people.  Laziness will get in the way whether you're in the Lawyers Club or not.  Maybe it's a little tougher if you're off campus, but it's really not that hard to meet people and hang out.

Also, all the majors seem to be fine (Verizon, Sprint, AT&T).  There is an official Verizon store a few miles away from school, and official Sprint and AT&T stores in downtown, less than .5 miles from campus.

I have Verizon service, and never have problems.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on December 19, 2007, 10:01:30 PM
thanks!  Sort of going along with that, is it safe to walk home at night if you're alone?  and a girl?  and drunk?

I'm not sure that its 'unsafe" but I'm a guy and I don't particularly like to if I'm outside of the area where its really busy.  By about 3AM things get a little creepy.  Anyway, I wouldn't say its unsafe but if one of me female friends wants to leave someplace early, I'll generally walk with her.

Just be smart, and make friends who are fun to walk home drunk with ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 19, 2007, 10:34:18 PM
What misgivings?  We're real good at talking people out of those.

I grew up in a town of about 150,000 or so (Peoria, IL). I'm a bit worried there will similarly be nothing to do. No shopping, little culture, little 24 hour activity, etc. I moved to Chicago and fell in love with the big city and everything about it. I was concentrating on CCN mostly for the city life.

Other misgivings than "not being Chicago or NYC".....

Girlfriend wouldn't move there with me, it'd be 3 years of LD.

The big city thing again. That's mainly it - those 2 things.

Ok, I'm a hardcore city person - the closest I've ever been to small town was the suburbs this one time (I blame my parents), and I wasn't a fan.  Other than the fact that things do close earlier here than I'd like (2 AM), I actually think that, especially for its size, there's a fair amount to do.  Dancing, independent films, bars, bands - it's not bad.  And the drive to Detroit is pretty much a snap, provided there's no traffic.  And Meijer is open 24 hours, for all you boozing needs.  Umm, if you like that sort of thing.  The one thing I cannot talk up enough, of course, is the people.  I seriously love the people I go to school with - I actually want to hang out with them when I'm not in school.  I get the feeling that that close knit environment is much less common in the "big city" schools.  That may not be your bag (it is really handy when finals come around though - people will buy you a drink AND give you an outline).

Like Jolie, I also came from New York to A2 - the shopping adjustment is rough, I'm not gonna lie. :D  Otherwise though, I'm glad I didn't take the option of staying in NYC for school - frankly, I would've been incredibly distracted, and the commute would've been a biznatch.  That may not be the case for you, but I, for one, was glad to take the money and run.  Which isn't to say that I won't be scooting right back to a city for my summers and beyond, but there you have it.

If the GF's in Chicago, thats not so bad, about 4 hours, cheap buses and what not.  There're a few people who travel that far for SOs close to every weekend.  Maybe you could convince her to work for Google?  It's not a great sitch though, for sure, but there are better people to field the LD question than I.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 19, 2007, 10:37:04 PM
thanks!  Sort of going along with that, is it safe to walk home at night if you're alone?  and a girl?  and drunk?

I'm not sure that its 'unsafe" but I'm a guy and I don't particularly like to if I'm outside of the area where its really busy.  By about 3AM things get a little creepy.  Anyway, I wouldn't say its unsafe but if one of me female friends wants to leave someplace early, I'll generally walk with her.

Just be smart, and make friends who are fun to walk home drunk with ;)

I'm a girl, and I'll walk home by myself all the time.  I may just have a blatant disregard for my own safety, but I don't find it scary.  It's a little wacky when the streets are all deserted (like I said above, it's not New York), but I don't really find it to be much cause for concern.  On the other hand, while A2 is safer than most of the other top schools, *&^% can happen anywhere, you know?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 20, 2007, 02:28:48 AM
What misgivings?  We're real good at talking people out of those.

I grew up in a town of about 150,000 or so (Peoria, IL). I'm a bit worried there will similarly be nothing to do. No shopping, little culture, little 24 hour activity, etc. I moved to Chicago and fell in love with the big city and everything about it. I was concentrating on CCN mostly for the city life.

Other misgivings than "not being Chicago or NYC".....

Girlfriend wouldn't move there with me, it'd be 3 years of LD.

The big city thing again. That's mainly it - those 2 things.

Ok, I'm a hardcore city person - the closest I've ever been to small town was the suburbs this one time (I blame my parents), and I wasn't a fan.  Other than the fact that things do close earlier here than I'd like (2 AM), I actually think that, especially for its size, there's a fair amount to do.  Dancing, independent films, bars, bands - it's not bad.  And the drive to Detroit is pretty much a snap, provided there's no traffic.  And Meijer is open 24 hours, for all you boozing needs.  Umm, if you like that sort of thing.  The one thing I cannot talk up enough, of course, is the people.  I seriously love the people I go to school with - I actually want to hang out with them when I'm not in school.  I get the feeling that that close knit environment is much less common in the "big city" schools.  That may not be your bag (it is really handy when finals come around though - people will buy you a drink AND give you an outline).

Like Jolie, I also came from New York to A2 - the shopping adjustment is rough, I'm not gonna lie. :D  Otherwise though, I'm glad I didn't take the option of staying in NYC for school - frankly, I would've been incredibly distracted, and the commute would've been a biznatch.  That may not be the case for you, but I, for one, was glad to take the money and run.  Which isn't to say that I won't be scooting right back to a city for my summers and beyond, but there you have it.

If the GF's in Chicago, thats not so bad, about 4 hours, cheap buses and what not.  There're a few people who travel that far for SOs close to every weekend.  Maybe you could convince her to work for Google?  It's not a great sitch though, for sure, but there are better people to field the LD question than I.

Take the money? Darrow yourself?

The shopping adjustment may be rough - I may be a guy, but I love my afternoons spent blowing my savings on the Magnificent Mile.. :p

G/F would be in Chicago.

I do plan on bringing my car to any law school not in New York City.... would this be a problem? I'm paying 130/month to share a double stall with my roommate (I was paying 150/month for my own before) in a covered garage - I assume that if I can find that price in Chicago, I can find it in AA?

Does the school help at all with permits for parking? I'm not as concerned with driving to class if bus/walk are an option, but a car in general is necessary (going to visit GF, going home, etc.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 20, 2007, 05:41:04 AM
I guess as a Darrow scholar (even one with serious misgivings about AA/Michigan), I better come over to this thread now...

Wow, don't sound too excited or anything...  ::)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 20, 2007, 02:16:03 PM

I do plan on bringing my car to any law school not in New York City.... would this be a problem? I'm paying 130/month to share a double stall with my roommate (I was paying 150/month for my own before) in a covered garage - I assume that if I can find that price in Chicago, I can find it in AA?

Does the school help at all with permits for parking? I'm not as concerned with driving to class if bus/walk are an option, but a car in general is necessary (going to visit GF, going home, etc.)

I didn't catch whether you were planning to live at the Lawyer's Club or not.  If not, every apartment I looked at included a parking space.  I'm sure not all do, but it was one of the criteria I was using.

Yep, and for the people who pay for a spot (mostly LC folk or people who live really far away), the most expensive I've heard is $70 p/m.  There are also school lots for which you can buy a pass.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 20, 2007, 02:38:38 PM
No LC. Absolutely not.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 21, 2007, 11:26:10 AM
Got this sucker hanging on my tree now.  Oh yeah!

(http://image.bizrate.com/resize?sq=140&uid=576929174&mid=20716)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 12:37:40 PM
No LC. Absolutely not.

Smart, smart man.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 12:39:46 PM
No LC. Absolutely not.

Smart, smart man.

People on here really seem to dislike the Lawyer's Club.  Certainly someone has to like it, there must be some reason people live there.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on December 21, 2007, 12:42:35 PM
Speaking of, I got an e-mail that seems to indicate I'm getting a LC lease if I want one.

This is a dumb question but can someone tell me what the bathroom situation is like in the LC? I know a lot of law students, and as a result I'm not real keen on the idea of seeing other law students naked. If it's a locker room kind of shower situation, that just might be a dealbreaker.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 12:44:36 PM
I know you have to share with a few people - floors maybe?  But I'm mostly even pulling that outta my ass.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on December 21, 2007, 12:46:06 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's shared between floors. I'm just wondering how, uh, intimate that sharing really is.

And goddamn you are fast  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 12:52:38 PM
This is me post-finals vegging.  Here for all your questioning needs.  (You really don't wanna know what my post count was 3 months ago)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 21, 2007, 01:08:12 PM
DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE DONE  I have already been drunk and sober again.  It was quite an interesting scene out in the quad at noon.

(And for those of you who are like, oh crap, I don't drink, I don't know if I'll fit in... I don't drink either.  But law school finals are a special occasion.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 21, 2007, 01:12:20 PM
No LC. Absolutely not.

Smart, smart man.

People on here really seem to dislike the Lawyer's Club.  Certainly someone has to like it, there must be some reason people live there.

Yeah, I definitely think there are people who like it!  They just aren't well represented on this board.  We all for whatever reason (I'm married) chose to live off campus.  I think if I were single, I would probably live in the LC, because it's soooo convenient.  And I'd be happy not to have to cook and clean anymore!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 01:15:47 PM
No LC. Absolutely not.

Smart, smart man.

People on here really seem to dislike the Lawyer's Club.  Certainly someone has to like it, there must be some reason people live there.

Yeah, I definitely think there are people who like it!  They just aren't well represented on this board.  We all for whatever reason (I'm married) chose to live off campus.  I think if I were single, I would probably live in the LC, because it's soooo convenient.  And I'd be happy not to have to cook and clean anymore!

I've lived in the dorms all 4 years of undergrad (as an RA this year), I just like the structure and convenience of living on campus.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 01:23:07 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on December 21, 2007, 01:43:24 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.

I've been the same way. I've lost all interest in the admissions game for the most part and I haven't bothered to send off three applications to schools I was really interested in six months ago. That blue folder is just so pretty. It demands all my attention.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 01:47:47 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.

I've been the same way. I've lost all interest in the admissions game for the most part and I haven't bothered to send off three applications to schools I was really interested in six months ago. That blue folder is just so pretty. It demands all my attention.

I'm glad it's not just me.  I was thinking I needed to have an old priest and a young priest come over to perform an exorcism.  But then I realized my folder might not like that, and I don't want it to be upset.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: ShadWhitmore on December 21, 2007, 01:51:01 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.

That's funny... I just withdrew from Vandy because I did not want to fill out the scholarship application (and I would choose Michigan with no money over a full-ride at Vandy).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 01:54:05 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.

That's funny... I just withdrew from Vandy because I did not want to fill out the scholarship application (and I would choose Michigan with no money over a full-ride at Vandy).


Really?  Can you tell me why?

I'm trying to decide if I should withdraw from some places (W&M, ND, Vandy), but I really like to have choices.  I'm just not sure if I'd take nothing at Michigan over full rides, and I feel like I need to at least know that the loans are avilable at Michigan before withdrawing elsewhere.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 02:02:46 PM
No LC. Absolutely not.

Smart, smart man.

People on here really seem to dislike the Lawyer's Club.  Certainly someone has to like it, there must be some reason people live there.

Yeah, I definitely think there are people who like it!  They just aren't well represented on this board.  We all for whatever reason (I'm married) chose to live off campus.  I think if I were single, I would probably live in the LC, because it's soooo convenient.  And I'd be happy not to have to cook and clean anymore!

I've lived in the dorms all 4 years of undergrad (as an RA this year), I just like the structure and convenience of living on campus.

You'll be just fine in the LC, I would go batshit insane for numerous reasons; it's not a commentary on the LC so much as deep seated personal preference.

Also, I'm a hater - can't be helped. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 02:04:58 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.

That's funny... I just withdrew from Vandy because I did not want to fill out the scholarship application (and I would choose Michigan with no money over a full-ride at Vandy).


Really?  Can you tell me why?

I'm trying to decide if I should withdraw from some places (W&M, ND, Vandy), but I really like to have choices.  I'm just not sure if I'd take nothing at Michigan over full rides, and I feel like I need to at least know that the loans are avilable at Michigan before withdrawing elsewhere.

What do you want to do?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 02:07:44 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.

That's funny... I just withdrew from Vandy because I did not want to fill out the scholarship application (and I would choose Michigan with no money over a full-ride at Vandy).


Really?  Can you tell me why?

I'm trying to decide if I should withdraw from some places (W&M, ND, Vandy), but I really like to have choices.  I'm just not sure if I'd take nothing at Michigan over full rides, and I feel like I need to at least know that the loans are avilable at Michigan before withdrawing elsewhere.

What do you want to do?

It's always been my desire to become a criminal prosecutor, though I am very aware that I might find some other field in law school that interests me more.

I don't think I'd be against doing a couple of years of biglaw first to pay off loans if it meant a better degree.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: ShadWhitmore on December 21, 2007, 02:09:13 PM
I'm noticing now that my Michigan acceptance has made me fairly lethargic about filling out my vandy scholarship app.

That beautiful, evil, translucent blue portfolio is trying to tempt me away from my financial aid stuff for other schools to watch the dvd again.

I think it's of Satan.

That's funny... I just withdrew from Vandy because I did not want to fill out the scholarship application (and I would choose Michigan with no money over a full-ride at Vandy).


Really?  Can you tell me why?

I'm trying to decide if I should withdraw from some places (W&M, ND, Vandy), but I really like to have choices.  I'm just not sure if I'd take nothing at Michigan over full rides, and I feel like I need to at least know that the loans are avilable at Michigan before withdrawing elsewhere.

I am interested in academia, and Michigan is probably the best (outside of HYSCC) at placing grads into teaching positions.  Also, from what I've heard, it's more difficult to get into biglaw from Vandy than from Michigan.  I have a friend at Vandy who said that the top 25% is necessary for biglaw.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: ShadWhitmore on December 21, 2007, 02:16:51 PM
Really?  Can you tell me why?

I'm trying to decide if I should withdraw from some places (W&M, ND, Vandy), but I really like to have choices.  I'm just not sure if I'd take nothing at Michigan over full rides, and I feel like I need to at least know that the loans are avilable at Michigan before withdrawing elsewhere.

Also, neither I nor my parents are exceptionally wealthy, so I don't imagine that it will be difficult to get loans and/or some aid.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 21, 2007, 02:31:52 PM
Michigan has a very good loan forgiveness program for those who will be taking lower-paying jobs.  That helps make up for the cost difference.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rtqw on December 21, 2007, 02:43:00 PM
I don't think there will be any issue in obtaining loans (unless your credit is really bad or something). But, I don't think there's any need to withdraw at this point - you have a couple months to think about it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 03:13:02 PM
It's always been my desire to become a criminal prosecutor, though I am very aware that I might find some other field in law school that interests me more.

I don't think I'd be against doing a couple of years of biglaw first to pay off loans if it meant a better degree.

Ok then, to be perfectly blunt, if you aren't 100% sure what you want to do (and at this point, some folks are and some folks aren't) and/or don't have a particular reason for wanting Vandy beyond $, you really need to take a long hard look at your exit options from each law school, and which program will give you the most leeway for exploring what you think you want to do, as well as other things you just haven't run across yet.  And though I certainly respect Vandy as an institution, there's no way that you've got better options coming out of Vandy than from Michigan in pretty much any rubric you can think of.  I was thinking if you had a particular reason for wanting Vandy (family or the like), then maybe, or placement in Tennessee.  Actually hell, Michigan probably places better in Tennessee than Vandy does, if you go by %positions sought and obtained.


I am interested in academia, and Michigan is probably the best (outside of HYSCC) at placing grads into teaching positions.  Also, from what I've heard, it's more difficult to get into biglaw from Vandy than from Michigan.  I have a friend at Vandy who said that the top 25% is necessary for biglaw.


Exactly.  At Michigan, you can pay off loans the ol' fashioned way (Big Law) or go for the LRAP (Ender's right) or any number of things (including still get scholarship money - the Darrows are really not the only thing out there, promise), with a lot less worry about class placement then at a lower-ranked school.  I may be biased though - finals have a way of putting the fear of rankings* it you.



*Which isn't to say we get rankings; we don't.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 21, 2007, 03:23:03 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 03:42:13 PM
Ok then, to be perfectly blunt, if you aren't 100% sure what you want to do (and at this point, some folks are and some folks aren't) and/or don't have a particular reason for wanting Vandy beyond $, you really need to take a long hard look at your exit options from each law school, and which program will give you the most leeway for exploring what you think you want to do, as well as other things you just haven't run across yet.  And though I certainly respect Vandy as an institution, there's no way that you've got better options coming out of Vandy than from Michigan in pretty much any rubric you can think of.  I was thinking if you had a particular reason for wanting Vandy (family or the like), then maybe, or placement in Tennessee.  Actually hell, Michigan probably places better in Tennessee than Vandy does, if you go by %positions sought and obtained.
I do have family in Tennessee, but no real urge to live near them.  My sole consideration of Vanderbilt is based on rankings.

I know I want to do criminal prosecution, I'm just not sure if it's what I'll do right out of law school.

I just want to go to whatever school will give me the best employment possibilities in a broad sense.  I have no preference of geography for law school or working, class size, setting, etc.  It's strictly a cost v. employment prospects scenario, but I still have no idea which is the better choice.

I have excellent credit, but I still can't bring myself to close off any routes without having a full economic picture.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 03:50:27 PM
I'm not saying withdraw, if it'll make you feel more secure, but by the criteria you've listed, the choice is clear. ;)

(There're some good loan threads on here, if that's your thing - Moni's good at finding stuff and a financial whiz . . . you might wanna ask her about that.  Or Piggy, or GCoop, for that matter.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 21, 2007, 03:56:38 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?  Because that's not really how we roll.  One of the reasons that this community is special is that it's filled with people who are thrilled to be here, and in fact made an affirmative decision to do so over lots of other options.  If you're still moping about your many misgivings despite a full Darrow, then this is probably not the place for you. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 03:59:52 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?  Because that's not really how we roll.  One of the reasons that this community is special is that it's filled with people who are thrilled to be here, and in fact made an affirmative decision to do so over lots of other options.  If you're still moping about your many misgivings despite a full Darrow, then this is probably not the place for you. 
I don't know about that.  Michigan does seem to be full of people that love it there, but they seem pretty good at talkig people into loving it too.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 21, 2007, 04:02:21 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?  Because that's not really how we roll.  One of the reasons that this community is special is that it's filled with people who are thrilled to be here, and in fact made an affirmative decision to do so over lots of other options.  If you're still moping about your many misgivings despite a full Darrow, then this is probably not the place for you. 
I don't know about that.  Michigan does seem to be full of people that love it there, but they seem pretty good at talkig people into loving it too.

Yeah, but I think that's more about our enthusiasm being "the good kind of infectious" as opposed to us twisting people's arms. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 04:06:22 PM
I think she's saying that we love it, and we want you to love it, but if you don't, sucks for you. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 21, 2007, 04:06:33 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?  Because that's not really how we roll.  One of the reasons that this community is special is that it's filled with people who are thrilled to be here, and in fact made an affirmative decision to do so over lots of other options.  If you're still moping about your many misgivings despite a full Darrow, then this is probably not the place for you. 
I don't know about that.  Michigan does seem to be full of people that love it there, but they seem pretty good at talkig people into loving it too.

Yeah, but I think that's more about our enthusiasm being "the good kind of infectious" as opposed to us twisting people's arms. 

But it's really a hard-knock life, getting the Darrow.  It's up to you guys to cheer those poor souls up.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 21, 2007, 06:55:31 PM

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?

no but thanks for your kind and welcoming post
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 21, 2007, 07:08:40 PM

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?

no but thanks for your kind and welcoming post

My pleasure.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 21, 2007, 07:12:09 PM

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?

no but thanks for your kind and welcoming post

My pleasure.

amazing
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 21, 2007, 07:18:51 PM
i like this place a lot more now. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 21, 2007, 09:36:59 PM
Speaking of, I got an e-mail that seems to indicate I'm getting a LC lease if I want one.

This is a dumb question but can someone tell me what the bathroom situation is like in the LC? I know a lot of law students, and as a result I'm not real keen on the idea of seeing other law students naked. If it's a locker room kind of shower situation, that just might be a dealbreaker.

From what I can tell, there's a bathroom on every floor (of 4) and they alternate male/female by floor, so you might be lucky enough to have a bathroom on your floor or you might have to go down a floor.  There's two stalls and 2-3 showers in the bathrooms, if I remember correctly.  Note that the lc is divided into sections from A-J? (not sure the last letter), so the 1 per floor refers to the individual section, not the entire lc!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 21, 2007, 09:38:56 PM
Ok then, to be perfectly blunt, if you aren't 100% sure what you want to do (and at this point, some folks are and some folks aren't) and/or don't have a particular reason for wanting Vandy beyond $, you really need to take a long hard look at your exit options from each law school, and which program will give you the most leeway for exploring what you think you want to do, as well as other things you just haven't run across yet.  And though I certainly respect Vandy as an institution, there's no way that you've got better options coming out of Vandy than from Michigan in pretty much any rubric you can think of.  I was thinking if you had a particular reason for wanting Vandy (family or the like), then maybe, or placement in Tennessee.  Actually hell, Michigan probably places better in Tennessee than Vandy does, if you go by %positions sought and obtained.
I do have family in Tennessee, but no real urge to live near them.  My sole consideration of Vanderbilt is based on rankings.

I know I want to do criminal prosecution, I'm just not sure if it's what I'll do right out of law school.

I just want to go to whatever school will give me the best employment possibilities in a broad sense. I have no preference of geography for law school or working, class size, setting, etc.  It's strictly a cost v. employment prospects scenario, but I still have no idea which is the better choice.

I have excellent credit, but I still can't bring myself to close off any routes without having a full economic picture.

If you have no geographic preferences, then Michigan is definitely the place to be.  We're from everywhere and go everywhere, so you'll have plenty of opportunities and won't be restricted geographically.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 21, 2007, 09:39:50 PM
I'm not saying withdraw, if it'll make you feel more secure, but by the criteria you've listed, the choice is clear. ;)

(There're some good loan threads on here, if that's your thing - Moni's good at finding stuff and a financial whiz . . . you might wanna ask her about that.  Or Piggy, or GCoop, for that matter.)

That's me, btw.  Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or ask them here. I'll be around.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 21, 2007, 09:41:01 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?  Because that's not really how we roll.  One of the reasons that this community is special is that it's filled with people who are thrilled to be here, and in fact made an affirmative decision to do so over lots of other options.  If you're still moping about your many misgivings despite a full Darrow, then this is probably not the place for you. 
I don't know about that.  Michigan does seem to be full of people that love it there, but they seem pretty good at talkig people into loving it too.

Yeah, but I think that's more about our enthusiasm being "the good kind of infectious" as opposed to us twisting people's arms. 

But it's really a hard-knock life, getting the Darrow.  It's up to you guys to cheer those poor souls up.

<----Needs no cheering up.   ;D  I <3 Michigan.  I'm trying out this whole cold-and-snow winter thing while staying at my parents' for Christmas.  The cold's okay, but I clearly need better balance for walking on ice/slush...

That's where the proper boots come in.  I just got some wonderfully warm and wintry boots from endless.com and know i actually want to go slushing through piles of snow!  :D

/gdub
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on December 21, 2007, 11:13:34 PM
That's me, btw.  Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or ask them here. I'll be around.

Sorry - old habits, etc.  I can edit if you like.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 21, 2007, 11:21:37 PM
That's me, btw.  Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or ask them here. I'll be around.

Sorry - old habits, etc.  I can edit if you like.

Nah, it's all good.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 22, 2007, 06:57:06 AM
That's me, btw.  Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or ask them here. I'll be around.

Sorry - old habits, etc.  I can edit if you like.

Nah, it's all good.  :)

Pikey, I did NOT see you at Necto last night.  Three words: W T F.

 :'(  Sorry hon.  I wanted to be there, but I didn't wanna mess up my hair since I just got it done yesterday  :-\  .  I told your roomie that we should plan a big "welcome back" Necto night the first week of classes!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Reach on December 22, 2007, 11:28:21 AM
I'm actually kind of surprised this thread isn't 300+ pages yet.  That's what happened the last time I looked away...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 22, 2007, 01:52:41 PM
Speaking of, I got an e-mail that seems to indicate I'm getting a LC lease if I want one.

This is a dumb question but can someone tell me what the bathroom situation is like in the LC? I know a lot of law students, and as a result I'm not real keen on the idea of seeing other law students naked. If it's a locker room kind of shower situation, that just might be a dealbreaker.

From what I can tell, there's a bathroom on every floor (of 4) and they alternate male/female by floor, so you might be lucky enough to have a bathroom on your floor or you might have to go down a floor.  There's two stalls and 2-3 showers in the bathrooms, if I remember correctly.  Note that the lc is divided into sections from A-J? (not sure the last letter), so the 1 per floor refers to the individual section, not the entire lc!

<----- doesn't live in the LC, spends a lot of time there though... :P

I don't think there's always a bathroom on every floor - I know over by L and surrounding blocks, there are two floors of guys, two of girls, and the bathrooms are on the 2nd and 3rd floors, so if you live on the top or bottom floor you have to go up/down for the bathroom. I actually think it's better to live on the floor that doesn't have the bathroom because it's quieter. But anyway, at least in some blocks, you share a bathroom with 7 other people of the same sex. In the ones I have seen there are 2 shower stalls and two bathroom stalls. That might seem like not enough for 8 people but I don't think it's a problem at all since everyone has different schedules. I don't think every block has the same bathroom configuration, but that's the one I know.

The LC showers are HOT and have awesome water pressure, fwiw... and they have curtains so no, you won't see anyone else naked unless they are walking down the hall and their towel slips or something :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 22, 2007, 01:55:28 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?  Because that's not really how we roll.  One of the reasons that this community is special is that it's filled with people who are thrilled to be here, and in fact made an affirmative decision to do so over lots of other options.  If you're still moping about your many misgivings despite a full Darrow, then this is probably not the place for you. 

TITMFCR
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 22, 2007, 04:09:59 PM
As I've said, serious misgivings about Mich.... but VANDY over Mich? Are you NUTS?

Hmm.  Are you just looking for people to talk you into Michigan?  Because that's not really how we roll.  One of the reasons that this community is special is that it's filled with people who are thrilled to be here, and in fact made an affirmative decision to do so over lots of other options.  If you're still moping about your many misgivings despite a full Darrow, then this is probably not the place for you. 

TITMFCR

::hugs::

Have a great holiday!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on December 22, 2007, 07:18:53 PM
Speaking of, I got an e-mail that seems to indicate I'm getting a LC lease if I want one.

This is a dumb question but can someone tell me what the bathroom situation is like in the LC? I know a lot of law students, and as a result I'm not real keen on the idea of seeing other law students naked. If it's a locker room kind of shower situation, that just might be a dealbreaker.

From what I can tell, there's a bathroom on every floor (of 4) and they alternate male/female by floor, so you might be lucky enough to have a bathroom on your floor or you might have to go down a floor.  There's two stalls and 2-3 showers in the bathrooms, if I remember correctly.  Note that the lc is divided into sections from A-J? (not sure the last letter), so the 1 per floor refers to the individual section, not the entire lc!

<----- doesn't live in the LC, spends a lot of time there though... :P

I don't think there's always a bathroom on every floor - I know over by L and surrounding blocks, there are two floors of guys, two of girls, and the bathrooms are on the 2nd and 3rd floors, so if you live on the top or bottom floor you have to go up/down for the bathroom. I actually think it's better to live on the floor that doesn't have the bathroom because it's quieter. But anyway, at least in some blocks, you share a bathroom with 7 other people of the same sex. In the ones I have seen there are 2 shower stalls and two bathroom stalls. That might seem like not enough for 8 people but I don't think it's a problem at all since everyone has different schedules. I don't think every block has the same bathroom configuration, but that's the one I know.

The LC showers are HOT and have awesome water pressure, fwiw... and they have curtains so no, you won't see anyone else naked unless they are walking down the hall and their towel slips or something :P

This sounds exactly like the bathrooms in my dorm at MSU, and sounds just fine. Thanks for the detailed answer.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 22, 2007, 10:39:07 PM
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If you have no geographic preferences, then Michigan is definitely the place to be.  We're from everywhere and go everywhere, so you'll have plenty of opportunities and won't be restricted geographically.



hahahhaa.

why does this sound like if you don't care where you go?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 22, 2007, 10:45:30 PM
hey jolie, are you going to be in da city next week?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 22, 2007, 10:46:51 PM
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If you have no geographic preferences, then Michigan is definitely the place to be.  We're from everywhere and go everywhere, so you'll have plenty of opportunities and won't be restricted geographically.



hahahhaa.

why does this sound like if you don't care where you go?

Me?

I really don't.  I just want to go to the school that has the best employment prospects.  I really don't know much about individual schools becuase I didn't want to research a school, really like it, and then get rejected.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 22, 2007, 10:51:32 PM
Quote
If you have no geographic preferences, then Michigan is definitely the place to be.  We're from everywhere and go everywhere, so you'll have plenty of opportunities and won't be restricted geographically.



hahahhaa.

why does this sound like if you don't care where you go?

Were you referring to Matthew or me?  Cause you're quoting me...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 22, 2007, 10:59:02 PM
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If you have no geographic preferences, then Michigan is definitely the place to be.  We're from everywhere and go everywhere, so you'll have plenty of opportunities and won't be restricted geographically.



hahahhaa.

why does this sound like if you don't care where you go?

Were you referring to Matthew or me?  Cause you're quoting me...

Well, it's pretty obvious that you don't know where you want to go either.  Clearly you've just been trying Michigan out.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 22, 2007, 11:01:11 PM
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If you have no geographic preferences, then Michigan is definitely the place to be.  We're from everywhere and go everywhere, so you'll have plenty of opportunities and won't be restricted geographically.



hahahhaa.

why does this sound like if you don't care where you go?

Were you referring to Matthew or me?  Cause you're quoting me...

Well, it's pretty obvious that you don't know where you want to go either.  Clearly you've just been trying Michigan out.

 :D

I think he was referring to where I go after law school.  Or at least that was my interpretation.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 22, 2007, 11:02:45 PM
Quote
If you have no geographic preferences, then Michigan is definitely the place to be.  We're from everywhere and go everywhere, so you'll have plenty of opportunities and won't be restricted geographically.



hahahhaa.

why does this sound like if you don't care where you go?

Were you referring to Matthew or me?  Cause you're quoting me...

Well, it's pretty obvious that you don't know where you want to go either.  Clearly you've just been trying Michigan out.

 :D

I think he was referring to where I go after law school.  Or at least that was my interpretation.

I thought he was talking to me, but deleted the wrong part of the quote out.  But you might be right.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 23, 2007, 12:04:32 AM
sorry.  I'm a little inebriated.  I don't know what I meant.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 23, 2007, 12:10:09 AM
sorry.  I'm a little inebriated.  I don't know what I meant.

 :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 23, 2007, 06:05:51 AM
hey jolie, are you going to be in da city next week?

In and out.  I'll be in the city today actually (praise Jesus!) but only for the afternoon. 

btw, Congrats on finishing your semester, everyone!  Can't wait to see you all fully rested in 20 minutes when 2nd semester starts.   :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 23, 2007, 06:49:11 AM
Congrats to Jolie and her peers for being one-half done with law school!

Congrats to me and Gengis for being two-thirds done with law school!

Congrats to the 1L fall starters who are one-sixth done with law school!

And, last but not least, congrats to the 0Ls who have gotten into Michigan and will be either one-sixth or two-thirds done with law school exactly one year from now (depending on when they start)! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 23, 2007, 06:55:02 AM
Wow... you and gengis work quickly... 2/3 done with law school already, since May!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 23, 2007, 06:57:09 AM
Wow... you and gengis work quickly... 2/3 done with law school already, since May!

:D you see, this is why I was not a math major! I stand corrected, one-third. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hegemonyhog on December 23, 2007, 09:34:25 AM
As a future Wolverine, a question: is it at all a possibility to move from fall start to summer start after you've been admitted?  My end date for my current job is flexible, which is making summer start more appealing.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 23, 2007, 09:45:17 AM
As a future Wolverine, a question: is it at all a possibility to move from fall start to summer start after you've been admitted? My end date for my current job is flexible, which is making summer start more appealing.

It wouldn't hurt to ask he admissions office. They will probably ask for a letter describing a compelling reason for the change.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 23, 2007, 09:53:02 AM
hey hog, that'd be freaking awesome if you came summer.  I hope that works out.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 23, 2007, 10:06:05 AM
As a future Wolverine, a question: is it at all a possibility to move from fall start to summer start after you've been admitted?  My end date for my current job is flexible, which is making summer start more appealing.

I'm not sure how you do it, but I know you can switch.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on December 23, 2007, 05:21:18 PM
I apologize if this question has already been answered, but where is the best place for law students to park?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 23, 2007, 07:59:45 PM
I apologize if this question has already been answered, but where is the best place for law students to park?

lot's of people rent spaces near the school, but i never cared to bother with that so i keep my car off campus at my apt and always take the bus when i go to the law school.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 23, 2007, 08:12:14 PM
I apologize if this question has already been answered, but where is the best place for law students to park?

lot's of people rent spaces near the school, but i never cared to bother with that so i keep my car off campus at my apt and always take the bus when i go to the law school.

How is the bus system?  My city's is so bad as to make it not even a consideration.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 23, 2007, 08:37:16 PM
I've never done it myself, but I know lots of people who take it every day, and they seem content with it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 24, 2007, 05:25:03 AM
I apologize if this question has already been answered, but where is the best place for law students to park?

When it's really cold, I drive to school, otherwise I walk.  There is always parking on the street in front ... 4 hour parking for $1.00 per hour.  There is also a ramp a few blocks away...  $.80 per hour.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 24, 2007, 08:32:18 AM
imho, a bike is the best way to get around Ann Arbor.  Easier (and free-er) to park than a car, faster than walking.  I generally ride the 1.3 mile-ish route to school and back every day, and even in the super cold it's not that bad.  The snow is a different matter, tho - I'm not nearly that badass, so I sense some walking and/or driving in my near future. 

The bus system is great, just not terribly convenient to where I live. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 24, 2007, 10:46:21 AM
I've been looking at the AA weather reports.

I'm anticipating loving my car next year.  And my snow tires.

On a related note...any places to ski nearby??  say ... within an hour or so?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on December 24, 2007, 12:53:17 PM
snow!! yeah! i want to go snowboarding  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on December 24, 2007, 02:03:41 PM
For all you ski/snowboard bunnies considering Michigan, there aren't a whole lot of options within about an hour of metro-Detroit/AA. Mt. Holly and Pine Knob are the only two that come to mind and they often have more fake snow than real unless we get a particularly snowy day or season. As you go further north, however, there are plenty of options for the skiing enthusiast (I sound like a travel agent). Boyne Highlands is great, but it's about a 4-5 hour drive (not exactly sure from AA). It would make a great weekend trip for sure. There may be some other nice spots closer than the Charlevoix/Petosky area, but you really need to make a trip up there if you do end up at Michigan. It is absolutely beautiful in any season.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 24, 2007, 03:35:20 PM
so we gotta go to canada huh?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on December 24, 2007, 04:47:16 PM
I don't mind a 4-5 hour drive to find slopes. That's about the same time it takes for me to get to Lake Tahoe
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 24, 2007, 07:18:39 PM
There are slopes in Brighton (about 30 minutes north)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 24, 2007, 10:07:05 PM
Merry Christmas everyone!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on December 25, 2007, 05:41:37 PM
Merry Christmas everyone!

Merry Christmas from Thailand!

My less frequent access to the internet, and therefore LSD, is going to give me shakes for the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 26, 2007, 01:05:47 AM
I will be 20 for the first Preview and 21 for the second Preview - does this matter? Will it be totally lame on the meeting people front being 20? (I turn 21 the day after Preview.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 26, 2007, 08:03:36 AM
I apologize if this question has already been answered, but where is the best place for law students to park?

lot's of people rent spaces near the school, but i never cared to bother with that so i keep my car off campus at my apt and always take the bus when i go to the law school.

How is the bus system? My city's is so bad as to make it not even a consideration.

I think the bus system is great. The bus stops a two min walk from my door and drops me off about a 10 min walk from the law school. There are so many bus stops around it is crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 26, 2007, 09:06:36 AM
I will be 20 for the first Preview and 21 for the second Preview - does this matter? Will it be totally lame on the meeting people front being 20? (I turn 21 the day after Preview.)

I'd go to the second one. It might not be totally lame, but it will be decidedly more lame than it should be. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 26, 2007, 09:33:33 AM
wow...neverborn...you are a baaaaaaby!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on December 26, 2007, 11:34:12 AM

I think the bus system is great. The bus stops a two min walk from my door and drops me off about a 10 min walk from the law school. There are so many bus stops around it is crazy.

There is a bus stop right outside the building, just to not confuse people.   :)

But not all busses stop there.  I take one that's practically right outside my apt and stops about 7 mins from the law school.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on December 26, 2007, 01:38:27 PM
Yes! I finally get to post on this thread.  Just got the mail today and I'm in at Michigan for next summer.  As long as I can make the financial stuff work out, I'm virtually certain this is where we'll be headed.

Ok...now for me to review the previous 40 odd pages of this thread and get up to speed.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on December 26, 2007, 03:44:52 PM
I will be 20 for the first Preview and 21 for the second Preview - does this matter? Will it be totally lame on the meeting people front being 20? (I turn 21 the day after Preview.)

I was 20 when I went to last years ASW and I would recommend waiting for the second one.  It was still worth it for me to attend but it would have been nice to go out to the bars (not necessarily to drink but to socialize with other attendees).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 26, 2007, 06:44:05 PM
wow...neverborn...you are a baaaaaaby!!!!

:(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 26, 2007, 07:25:11 PM
wow...neverborn...you are a baaaaaaby!!!!

:(

He's not kidding - I might have been easier on you if I'd known you were such a lil' one.  :P 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 26, 2007, 09:49:08 PM
wow...neverborn...you are a baaaaaaby!!!!

:(

He's not kidding - I might have been easier on you if I'd known you were such a lil' one.  :P 

 >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 27, 2007, 09:24:04 AM
it's okay neverborn.  we're just messing.  We're just jealous.  sadly enough....seriously.....
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 27, 2007, 02:41:20 PM

I think the bus system is great. The bus stops a two min walk from my door and drops me off about a 10 min walk from the law school. There are so many bus stops around it is crazy.

There is a bus stop right outside the building, just to not confuse people. :)

I should note that I have never bothered messing around with transfering from one bus to another, which I would have to do to use that bus stop. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 27, 2007, 02:54:23 PM
it's okay neverborn.  we're just messing.  We're just jealous.  sadly enough....seriously.....

That's a lie! You remember the frustration of being 20, and no one is jealous of that!

It's even better when you're a fourth year UG and all your friends are 21. Ughhh.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 27, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
it's okay neverborn. we're just messing. We're just jealous. sadly enough....seriously.....

That's a lie! You remember the frustration of being 20, and no one is jealous of that!

It's even better when you're a fourth year UG and all your friends are 21. Ughhh.

age is just a number.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on December 27, 2007, 05:41:06 PM
it's okay neverborn. we're just messing. We're just jealous. sadly enough....seriously.....

That's a lie! You remember the frustration of being 20, and no one is jealous of that!

It's even better when you're a fourth year UG and all your friends are 21. Ughhh.

age is just a number.

I'm turning 21 next month!  I can sympathize with neverborn, luckily I will be able to hit the bars by the time I move to Michigan.  Being a little older was one of the big reasons why I decided to defer.   
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 27, 2007, 06:56:51 PM
"age is just a number."



not when you have a scary cougar chasing after you.  And you're drunk and have little sense of what's good for you.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 27, 2007, 07:56:30 PM
(http://www.funkyfridge.com/shop/images/AT-00161.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 27, 2007, 08:49:26 PM
"age is just a number."



not when you have a scary cougar chasing after you.  And you're drunk and have little sense of what's good for you.

I want Jolie to chase me...

Yes, yes you do.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 27, 2007, 08:49:53 PM
Garbage Plate!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 27, 2007, 09:43:18 PM
Garbage Plate!

The plan for the post-NYE hangover is plates and watching the american football match. I kind of want to fast-forward.  I'll probably be wearing these:

http://penningtonandbailes.myshopify.com/products/michigan-navy-repeat

Have you decided when you're heading back home yet?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 27, 2007, 09:45:34 PM
"age is just a number."



not when you have a scary cougar chasing after you.  And you're drunk and have little sense of what's good for you.

sorry, i'm just not picking up what you're laying down here. how are we supposed to infer this story ends?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 27, 2007, 09:50:48 PM
is somebody implying Jolie is a cougar?  I think NOT!!!

how does the story end.... not too badly..... the beer goggles come off when your friends start laughing at you hysterically as you're about to leave. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 27, 2007, 10:12:24 PM
is somebody implying Jolie is a cougar?  I think NOT!!!

how does the story end.... not too badly..... the beer goggles come off when your friends start laughing at you hysterically as you're about to leave. 

those things come off?

:::re-reads instructions:::

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 28, 2007, 05:53:29 AM
Garbage Plate!

The plan for the post-NYE hangover is plates and watching the american football match. I kind of want to fast-forward.  I'll probably be wearing these:

http://penningtonandbailes.myshopify.com/products/michigan-navy-repeat

Have you decided when you're heading back home yet?

I haven't conferred with the AWG yet but probably Sunday or Monday.

Also, those pants are amazing.

Also, I have to find the Michigan alumni bar in Boston (and maybe in Phila if I'm still here) so I can watch us get smoked with other fans on New Years Day.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on December 28, 2007, 06:40:31 AM
Garbage Plate!

The plan for the post-NYE hangover is plates and watching the american football match. I kind of want to fast-forward.  I'll probably be wearing these:

http://penningtonandbailes.myshopify.com/products/michigan-navy-repeat

Have you decided when you're heading back home yet?

I haven't conferred with the AWG yet but probably Sunday or Monday.

Also, those pants are amazing.

Also, I have to find the Michigan alumni bar in Boston (and maybe in Phila if I'm still here) so I can watch us get smoked with other fans on New Years Day.

I just got some pajama bottoms like that for Christmas!  (That and the numerous sweatshirts, t-shirts, hats, gloves, bankets, ornaments, light-switch plate, etc.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 28, 2007, 07:31:58 AM
Garbage Plate!

The plan for the post-NYE hangover is plates and watching the american football match. I kind of want to fast-forward.  I'll probably be wearing these:

http://penningtonandbailes.myshopify.com/products/michigan-navy-repeat

Have you decided when you're heading back home yet?

I haven't conferred with the AWG yet but probably Sunday or Monday.

Also, those pants are amazing.

Also, I have to find the Michigan alumni bar in Boston (and maybe in Phila if I'm still here) so I can watch us get smoked with other fans on New Years Day.

I just got some pajama bottoms like that for Christmas!  (That and the numerous sweatshirts, t-shirts, hats, gloves, bankets, ornaments, light-switch plate, etc.)

I just want to confirm, in order to fully illustrate the pants' ridiculousness, that they're chinos and not PJs.  I think we get jobbed though. If you navigate back and look at the pants for the other teams, it's quite clear that our pants are not nearly as fratastic as they could be.  Clemson, for instance, has blindingly orange pants.  Of course, being fratwear averse by nature, I'm OK with that in the end.  I do, however, own a sweet pair of maize-y (mostly just bright yellow) corduroys that make appearances at important sporting events.

@Coop - I hadn't realized AWG was coming back with you as well. Does that require a completely new playlist? Or are you just going listen to the Aeneid on audiobook?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 28, 2007, 07:53:26 AM
My playlist was aborted somewhere in the second hour.  We used my ipod but she chose the songs, which is exactly how John Rawls suggested we do it in A Theory of Justice.  You know, I cut the pie, she chooses the slice and all that.  Only instead of pie, it's music.

There was a moment where she tried to plug in her iPhone into my speaker system, but Apple (thankfully) made a dumb design decision and it's hard to use headphones besides theirs without a special adapter, so it didn't work.  Otherwise, the whole balance would have been thrown off (unless I could have chose the music, which would have been trickier at 85+ mph).

Also, I'll be listening to celebrity voices navigate me through Ohio and Pennsylvania on my new TomTom navigator.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 28, 2007, 01:36:15 PM
OK, seeing as I'm only a year younger than Jolie, I have to say: Jolie is NOT a cougar!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 28, 2007, 01:47:44 PM
OK, seeing as I'm only a year younger than Jolie, I have to say: Jolie is NOT a cougar!

Jolie is 30+ and hot.  Hence, cougar.

Pretty sure your standard cougar is 40+.  Regardless, Jolie looks too young to be a cougar.  You wouldn't pick her out as any older than I am, and I'm an incredibly youthful looking 25 (smooth alabaster skin, etc., etc.)  And, finally, a real cougar actively tries to hump young men.  Being old and hot does not make you a cougar.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 28, 2007, 02:12:28 PM
OK, seeing as I'm only a year younger than Jolie, I have to say: Jolie is NOT a cougar!

maybe you're a cougar too??   :P

Don't make me kick your ass like I kicked GCoop's.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 28, 2007, 10:31:39 PM
is being hot part of the cougar definition?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 29, 2007, 05:02:20 AM
Wow, what have I missed?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 29, 2007, 09:19:28 AM
is being hot part of the cougar definition?

nope.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 29, 2007, 09:20:25 AM
Wow, what have I missed?

Ha! How are you? When are you back? We never watched movies and drank hot (adulterated) beverages.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on December 29, 2007, 02:26:10 PM
Do any of you know non-law students that have unprofessional jobs that they enjoy? If so, where do they work? Also, what is the going wage in Ann Arbor for unprofessional jobs? I know that the website includes a portion about finding jobs for SO's but I was wondering if you guys could give me any instant feedback.

Also, does anyone know anything about the community college (WCC)? My SO is planning on going into a radiology program and I see that they have it, I just wanted to make sure that the school had no major problem or flaw unlisted on their website.

Thanks in advance, I'm a highly likely fall starter ('11) that has really enjoyed combing through this insightful thread.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 29, 2007, 02:47:25 PM
what's an unprofessional job?  volunteer?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on December 29, 2007, 02:50:56 PM
I guess I worded that funny. I just meant a student job. Waitress, delivery drivery, grocery worker, retail, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 29, 2007, 03:03:54 PM
Do any of you know non-law students that have unprofessional jobs that they enjoy? If so, where do they work? Also, what is the going wage in Ann Arbor for unprofessional jobs? I know that the website includes a portion about finding jobs for SO's but I was wondering if you guys could give me any instant feedback.

I know one guy who was doing LSAT teaching during the semester.  He's crazy though.  Don't get a job.   ;)

'non-law' students, pig.  presumably a lady/man friend of some sort.

but yeah, that guy you're talking about had so little free time his personal hygiene standards dropped precipitously as his workload increased.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 29, 2007, 03:13:34 PM
Do any of you know non-law students that have unprofessional jobs that they enjoy? If so, where do they work? Also, what is the going wage in Ann Arbor for unprofessional jobs? I know that the website includes a portion about finding jobs for SO's but I was wondering if you guys could give me any instant feedback.

I know one guy who was doing LSAT teaching during the semester.  He's crazy though.  Don't get a job.   ;)

He's an a-hole, too.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 29, 2007, 03:17:03 PM
Is there no real way to handle work and 1L? I've worked all through my college career, and I'm working 25-40 hours every week now.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 29, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
Is there no real way to handle work and 1L? I've worked all through my college career, and I'm working 25-40 hours every week now.

I wouldn't want to have a regular gig.  I know someone (ahem) who worked a few weekends during the semester (traveling), and a few hours a week (that he could schedule at his whim), but I wouldn't want to be stuck with a regular and definite thing...  And he probably wouldn't do nearly as much travel (4 weekends of the semester) again...  missed too much fun stuff on the weekends.

And if I was going to get stuck with a regular and definite thing, I wouldn't plan on any more than 8-10 hours a week, period.

And if it could be absolutely avoided, I'd absolutely avoid it. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 29, 2007, 03:21:10 PM
Also, don't do it, unless you're in some kind of massive debt or really need the cash.  Survive on the loans.

Also, don't do it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 29, 2007, 04:49:13 PM
It's more of just a liking money thing if I'm at Michigan. I like buying things and going out and not worrying as much about money.

Weeks when I don't work I feel like a total bum too!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 29, 2007, 05:02:12 PM
you'll be doing plenty of work
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 29, 2007, 06:51:12 PM
Wow, what have I missed?

Ha! How are you? When are you back? We never watched movies and drank hot (adulterated) beverages.

As of an hour ago.  Planned on staying in NY through New Years', but reached staying-at-Mom's house capacity early and hopped in the car this morning.  Are you in town already?  And yes, you owe me a date!


I was being wildly inappropriate.  Sorry  :-\

No need to apologize - I'm like the proverbial kid who feeds on any kind of attention.   :P

Is there no real way to handle work and 1L? I've worked all through my college career, and I'm working 25-40 hours every week now.

College =/= law school.  But whatever wets your whistle. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 29, 2007, 07:34:43 PM
Also, general fyi (and pay attention, flyaway, since 30 approacheth!):  apparently I'm a puma, which is something like a baby cougar.  Or, I will be if/when I start pouncing on the kiddies.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 29, 2007, 09:41:14 PM
I'll sort of be working this coming semester and did a tiny bit in early December.  In fact, I'm a bit worried about being overcommitted, but my thing is that this is actually my hobby that happens to pay decently, rather than something I'm doing to earn money.  And it's only on the weekends.  And I'm *trying* to do it less than I usually do, but I'm not sure how different it's really going to be.

I definitely feel that my time management skills improved during fall semester, so we'll see how well I employ those!  That's the key... there's enough time to do some work, but only if you're really smart about it.  And if you can get by without it (i.e., if you're just doing it for money and you could take out the loans instead), I wouldn't do it.


Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 30, 2007, 11:23:33 AM
has anybody had any experience with Wolverine Street Law?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 30, 2007, 12:19:35 PM
has anybody had any experience with Wolverine Street Law?

A couple of my sectionmates are doing this and enjoying it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 30, 2007, 03:06:46 PM
ugh god no... "puma" is what (for no reason) my braindead roommate and his girlfriend called each other in high pitched baby voices for a little over a year of their relationship. not a day went by when i didn't hear "puma" and "little poom." just seeing the word here makes me want to either vomit or kill others.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 30, 2007, 07:27:15 PM
Wow, what have I missed?

Ha! How are you? When are you back? We never watched movies and drank hot (adulterated) beverages.

As of an hour ago.  Planned on staying in NY through New Years', but reached staying-at-Mom's house capacity early and hopped in the car this morning.  Are you in town already?  And yes, you owe me a date!


Nope, not back yet.  NYE at home and then a few days of being lazy and sober and then aiming to come back next Sunday.  My precise arrival depends on a few other variables, but maybe we should all go to Leo's for a bit on Sunday? Or we could have our date then.  Whatevs, as the kids are saying.

In other news, are you doing one or both nights of the Folk Fest? I haven't seen a concert in ages, so I'm thinking about seeing Peter Mulvey next month as well (about 15 bucks, IIRC).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on December 30, 2007, 09:00:16 PM
ugh god no... "puma" is what (for no reason) my braindead roommate and his girlfriend called each other in high pitched baby voices for a little over a year of their relationship. not a day went by when i didn't hear "puma" and "little poom." just seeing the word here makes me want to either vomit or kill others.

you're right. that's hideous. yikes.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on December 30, 2007, 09:37:26 PM
ugh god no... "puma" is what (for no reason) my braindead roommate and his girlfriend called each other in high pitched baby voices for a little over a year of their relationship. not a day went by when i didn't hear "puma" and "little poom." just seeing the word here makes me want to either vomit or kill others.

that scares me. a lot.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on December 30, 2007, 11:14:03 PM
i will do the voice for anyone who asks me at april's preview weekend.

i can do all of them. "hey littlepooooom" - the voice is the same for both the male and female.

they also started calling each other "little bird" and "birdis." then, one of them added -is/-us to almost every word they said. example: "hey birdis, want to get some foodus?" sometimes they forgot who they were talking to and that others don't speak retard. my roommate asked my g/f if she wanted to order "foodus", and when looking for the corkscrew, asked me where the "corkus" was.

i'm sad they broke up though, because now he is unclean to the point of leaving dishes to grow mold in my kitchen on three separate occasions (and throwing them in the dishwasher and leaving them there after i told him to do something about it, STILL leaving me to scrape out mold.)

bye pooms
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 31, 2007, 06:43:52 AM
I saw this video posted in another thread.  I had never seen it before and wanted to share it here.  The first half is an interview with Dean Z.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6695300090603660625&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on December 31, 2007, 08:31:29 AM
Do any of you know non-law students that have unprofessional jobs that they enjoy? If so, where do they work? Also, what is the going wage in Ann Arbor for unprofessional jobs? I know that the website includes a portion about finding jobs for SO's but I was wondering if you guys could give me any instant feedback.

I know one guy who was doing LSAT teaching during the semester.  He's crazy though.  Don't get a job.   ;)

He's an a-hole, too.

I disagree. I think he is a sweet and loveable teddy bear.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on December 31, 2007, 08:42:52 AM
Do any of you know non-law students that have unprofessional jobs that they enjoy? If so, where do they work? Also, what is the going wage in Ann Arbor for unprofessional jobs? I know that the website includes a portion about finding jobs for SO's but I was wondering if you guys could give me any instant feedback.

I know one guy who was doing LSAT teaching during the semester.  He's crazy though.  Don't get a job.   ;)

He's an a-hole, too.

I disagree. I think he is a sweet and loveable teddy bear.

I was showing my mom Thanksgiving pictures, and she commented on what a cute couple you and he make.  Heehee.  I set her straight (no pun intended).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 31, 2007, 10:56:18 AM
hey flyaway, I saw that video earlier.  I liked the interview itself despite the annoying guy who did the interview.

What I like is that it reinforces the idea that Michigan really tries to pick people who will fit the collegiality of the school....and that Dean Z really is basically hand picking the students.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on December 31, 2007, 12:07:19 PM
Do any of you know non-law students that have unprofessional jobs that they enjoy? If so, where do they work? Also, what is the going wage in Ann Arbor for unprofessional jobs? I know that the website includes a portion about finding jobs for SO's but I was wondering if you guys could give me any instant feedback.

I know one guy who was doing LSAT teaching during the semester.  He's crazy though.  Don't get a job.   ;)

He's an a-hole, too.

I disagree. I think he is a sweet and loveable teddy bear.

I was showing my mom Thanksgiving pictures, and she commented on what a cute couple you and he make.  Heehee.  I set her straight (no pun intended).

Hahaha.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on December 31, 2007, 05:09:16 PM
Happy New Years Michigan Law '11 and others.

My last post of the old year.  Good times.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 01, 2008, 02:04:02 PM
Holy crap!  What the heck just happened?  My cable went out when it was 3rd and 10!  I saw that they won, but I don't know how!

Anyway, GO BLUE!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 01, 2008, 02:31:08 PM
GO BLUE!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 01, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
I CAN'T BELIEVE WE WON SOMETHING!

(also, happy new year.  and to those in AA, happy shoveling!)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 01, 2008, 02:46:16 PM
I CAN'T BELIEVE WE WON SOMETHING!

(also, happy new year.  and to those in AA, happy shoveling!)


 ;D   Jolie is such a lovely cynic.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on January 02, 2008, 01:53:58 PM
Does anyone know if the "Nob Hill" apartments are loud (i.e. student partying)? They are close to the central campus, so I was just concerned about the noise levels. Thanks
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 02, 2008, 02:18:04 PM
Does anyone know if the "Nob Hill" apartments are loud (i.e. student partying)? They are close to the central campus, so I was just concerned about the noise levels. Thanks

If you're talking about the apartments just off of Main Street (south of Hill), they aren't what any undergraduate student would call 'close' to central campus.  I don't know any law students who live there, but I know they're popular with grad students generally.   
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 02, 2008, 02:28:43 PM
Does anyone know if the "Nob Hill" apartments are loud (i.e. student partying)? They are close to the central campus, so I was just concerned about the noise levels. Thanks

If you're talking about the apartments just off of Main Street (south of Hill), they aren't what any undergraduate student would call 'close' to central campus.  I don't know any law students who live there, but I know they're popular with grad students generally.   

I have a few casual friends who live there, and they love it.  I don't think there are any undergrad students in the complex.  I should add, however, that they're pretty close to the field where the marching band practices.  Hope you don't mind hearing "Hail To the Victors" ad nauseam.  (Then again, that pretty much goes for all of Ann Arbor from September thru November.)   
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 03, 2008, 10:08:24 AM
are there realtors that cater to students or are there other agencies like that?  How did folks find their housing? (obviously not of the campus of phiD variety)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 03, 2008, 11:36:47 AM
are there realtors that cater to students or are there other agencies like that?  How did folks find their housing? (obviously not of the campus of phiD variety)

the only people in AA are students. seriously, over spring break it's like a tumbleweed farm up in here.

(craigslist, internet, walking around town)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 03, 2008, 12:13:36 PM
are there realtors that cater to students or are there other agencies like that?  How did folks find their housing? (obviously not of the campus of phiD variety)

the only people in AA are students. seriously, over spring break it's like a tumbleweed farm up in here.

(craigslist, internet, walking around town)

I used the UMich Office of Off Campus Housing (http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/index.cfm).  It was really helpful.  You can search by neighborhood or do an advanced search for various amenities.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 03, 2008, 12:26:49 PM
do you guys know anything about these 'university towers' apartments?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 03, 2008, 12:48:41 PM
do you guys know anything about these 'university towers' apartments?

I know someone who lives there and it's pretty nice.  I'm actually considering moving there next year, but I definitely want to ask her about noise level, etc.  I'll let you know what I find out.  Also, it's obviously more expensive than a lot of other properties in AA, but it's worth it to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 03, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/MI-Ann-Arbor-University-Towers.html

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 03, 2008, 05:09:36 PM
oooh.......thanks for that!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 03, 2008, 05:44:11 PM
lol, those are TERRIBLE ratings
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 03, 2008, 06:29:59 PM
no doubt.  I chucked out U. Towers as an option. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 03, 2008, 08:34:46 PM
me too.  :-\  I wanna find somewhere new to live next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 04, 2008, 04:52:18 AM
pikey, what don't you like about where you are?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: kirchner on January 04, 2008, 05:40:53 AM
do you guys know anything about these 'university towers' apartments?

These are the apartments at Forest & South U, right?  I had a friend who lived there (Mich Law '05) during 1L.  I visited him a few times.  Seemed nice enough, but a bit dormish.  Small kitchen, uninspired layout, etc.  Obviously the placement is nice, but I think it would drive me crazy. 

Leaving his place, I could walk 10-15 minutes and be at my apartment on Second & Williams on the old West Side.  If you don't mind a brisk walk, I'd recommend something like that.  It's in a neighborhood with trees and people who are not in school. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 04, 2008, 05:58:08 AM
do you guys know anything about these 'university towers' apartments?

These are the apartments at Forest & South U, right?  I had a friend who lived there (Mich Law '05) during 1L.  I visited him a few times.  Seemed nice enough, but a bit dormish.  Small kitchen, uninspired layout, etc.  Obviously the placement is nice, but I think it would drive me crazy. 

Leaving his place, I could walk 10-15 minutes and be at my apartment on Second & Williams on the old West Side.  If you don't mind a brisk walk, I'd recommend something like that.  It's in a neighborhood with trees and people who are not in school. 

Hear hear!  I love living on the OWS.  But if I wasn't here, I'd want Kerrytown, which is (I believe) where pikey lives now...so maybe she's looking for something different. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: kirchner on January 04, 2008, 06:29:02 AM
Would this be a good thread to seek potential roommates?  Would it be better to start a new thread?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 04, 2008, 06:51:30 AM
I'm a little further out (30 min walk from law school), but I'll put in another plug for the west/northwest side of town in general. Nice quiet residential area.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 04, 2008, 07:03:04 AM
pikey, what don't you like about where you are?

The location, in relation to where everyone else lives.  I love living in Kerrytown, but pretty much everyone else lives in OWS and south of school.  Since I don't have a car, it's not like I can just pop by and visit people, so it definitely hinders my social life in the winter.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 04, 2008, 07:20:45 AM
pikey, what don't you like about where you are?

The location, in relation to where everyone else lives. I love living in Kerrytown, but pretty much everyone else lives in OWS and south of school. Since I don't have a car, it's not like I can just pop by and visit people, so it definitely hinders my social life in the winter. :-\

Yeah, that is a drawback I've been dealing with too.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 04, 2008, 07:51:17 AM
Any current Michigan students care to offer an opinion on the following questions?

International work - The Law School has advertised its ability to place students abroad for internships and after graduation.  The possibility of working abroad is one of the (many, many) things that has attracted me to Michigan.  Does anyone know people who have done/are doing this, especially in private transactional work?  Are these positions as easy to get coming out of Michigan as I've been led to believe?

Faculty/Student ratio - Michigan has one of the highest among its peers.  Does your experience at the school reflect this?  How accessible are faculty members?

Aquatics - Non-LS questions, but how is the pool?  I'm no athelete but I do enjoy a good swim in the morning.  Is it open early, convenient, crowded, etc?  Definitely not a deal breaker for me, but any info would be helpful.

Thanks guys and gals, I've already gotten a lot of helpful information from this thread.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 04, 2008, 08:10:28 AM
Any current Michigan students care to offer an opinion on the following questions?

Faculty/Student ratio - Michigan has one of the highest among its peers. Does your experience at the school reflect this? How accessible are faculty members?

I can speak to this. I come from small schools where the teachers were always approachable and I became used to that. At Michigan it is pretty much the same, the professors take the time to talk to you after class and many make an effort to know their students individually. I have not felt like just a number as far as the faculty is concerned.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 04, 2008, 08:12:07 AM
Any current Michigan students care to offer an opinion on the following questions?

International work - The Law School has advertised its ability to place students abroad for internships and after graduation.  The possibility of working abroad is one of the (many, many) things that has attracted me to Michigan.  Does anyone know people who have done/are doing this, especially in private transactional work?  Are these positions as easy to get coming out of Michigan as I've been led to believe?

Faculty/Student ratio - Michigan has one of the highest among its peers.  Does your experience at the school reflect this?  How accessible are faculty members?

Aquatics - Non-LS questions, but how is the pool?  I'm no athelete but I do enjoy a good swim in the morning.  Is it open early, convenient, crowded, etc?  Definitely not a deal breaker for me, but any info would be helpful.

Thanks guys and gals, I've already gotten a lot of helpful information from this thread.

By 'private transactional' work do you mean working in the foreign office of an American firm doing corporate work? Because that's not really all that difficult a job to land from a top school generally, and I don't think it's what Michigan means when it talks up its strength in 'international law.' 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 04, 2008, 08:23:41 AM
By 'private transactional' work do you mean working in the foreign office of an American firm doing corporate work? Because that's not really all that difficult a job to land from a top school generally, and I don't think it's what Michigan means when it talks up its strength in 'international law.' 

Yes, that's what I meant, so your answer is encouraging.  Sorry for any confusion.  Does anyone know of students who are doing this from Michigan?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 04, 2008, 08:26:18 AM

I can speak to this. I come from small schools where the teachers were always approachable and I became used to that. At Michigan it is pretty much the same, the professors take the time to talk to you after class and many make an effort to know their students individually. I have not felt like just a number as far as the faculty is concerned.

Thanks, Poster.  My situation's very similar: very small undergrad/grad programs.  Just curious if I'd be in for a big change.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 04, 2008, 08:30:59 AM
By 'private transactional' work do you mean working in the foreign office of an American firm doing corporate work? Because that's not really all that difficult a job to land from a top school generally, and I don't think it's what Michigan means when it talks up its strength in 'international law.' 

Yes, that's what I meant, so your answer is encouraging.  Sorry for any confusion.  Does anyone know of students who are doing this from Michigan?

I mean, I don't know any current students doing this after graduation, but mostly because I don't know loads of 3Ls, but I think it's not that difficult to pull off, especially if you have language skills.  And getting a job in London, for instance, doesn't seem to be all that difficult.  Worst case scenario is you work in NY or DC for a year and then get yourself sent over. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 04, 2008, 08:38:58 AM
I mean, I don't know any current students doing this after graduation, but mostly because I don't know loads of 3Ls, but I think it's not that difficult to pull off, especially if you have language skills.  And getting a job in London, for instance, doesn't seem to be all that difficult.  Worst case scenario is you work in NY or DC for a year and then get yourself sent over. 

Thanks, hollowman, this is helpful.  Up until about a week ago (when I got the acceptance package from Michigan) I was expecting to go to law school at my state school where these opportunities are very hard to come by.  I guess I'm still orienting myself the change in prospects.  But it certianly is a very welcome change!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 04, 2008, 09:24:45 AM
I have a bunch of friends who have had internships and/or externships abroad (Cambodia and Geneva seem to be the top contenders.)  At least one of my good friends is doing her 2L summer at a Magic Circle firm in London.  Can't think of anyone offhand who's going abroad post-3L, but I don't know of anyone who's tried and been unable to get it, fwiw.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 04, 2008, 09:40:35 AM
where/what's the OWS? 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 04, 2008, 09:44:18 AM
where/what's the OWS? 

Old West Side.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 04, 2008, 09:50:14 AM
where/what's the OWS? 

Old West Side.

Home to Michigan's largest population of geriatric Tupac fans!



Errr...back to doing laundry...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 04, 2008, 10:06:00 AM
Here are a couple of links to neighborhood descriptions that may be useful for the housing search:

http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/map.cfm (http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/map.cfm)
http://arborweb.com/housingindex.html (http://arborweb.com/housingindex.html)

Godspeed!

<--- Can't believe she's in the library working.  In denial.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 04, 2008, 10:16:56 AM
Here are a couple of links to neighborhood descriptions that may be useful for the housing search:

http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/map.cfm (http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/map.cfm)
http://arborweb.com/housingindex.html (http://arborweb.com/housingindex.html)

Godspeed!

<--- Can't believe she's in the library working. In denial.


This isn't the time for working. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 04, 2008, 10:36:25 AM
jolie are you still in nyc?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 04, 2008, 10:41:53 AM
jolie are you still in nyc?

Nope.  (Although I did score a fabulous summer apt. in Chelsea...whee!)  I fled my mother's house after about 6 days.  
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 04, 2008, 11:07:39 AM
argh...too bad...I'm headed up (or down) to nyc this weekend.  good job on that apt!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 04, 2008, 12:05:29 PM
I'm trying to work abroad (Germany) for 1L summer.  We'll see!  Mostly, I'm working a connection through a super nice visiting scholar here at the law school.  But I will also send it out to other places in Germany.

Didn't I say I was going to do that over break?  Hmm.  Well at least I made my German resume.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 04, 2008, 12:54:00 PM
I sent in my seat deposit this week and got my umich email address today. i'm giddy. i can finally join the facebook group!  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 04, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
I sent in my seat deposit this week and got my umich email address today. i'm giddy. i can finally join the facebook group!  :D

Congrats!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 05, 2008, 01:48:23 AM
no more g/f, a lot closer to a "should be" now.

see you guys in april?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 05, 2008, 11:04:47 AM
I think I'm doing March.  Sorry about the gf.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 05, 2008, 12:33:57 PM
no more g/f, a lot closer to a "should be" now.

see you guys in april?

easy come, easy go?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 05, 2008, 12:39:45 PM
I think I may actually go to both.  I am "local," so it's not a big problem for me to attend.  If I don't actually stay for the April, I will probably at least come to meet those who couldn't make it to March. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 05, 2008, 03:48:40 PM
no more g/f, a lot closer to a "should be" now.

see you guys in april?

easy come, easy go?

not really

I think I may actually go to both.  I am "local," so it's not a big problem for me to attend.  If I don't actually stay for the April, I will probably at least come to meet those who couldn't make it to March. 

being underage would be so lame.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 06, 2008, 09:37:29 AM
Tag.

I just got my package yesterday, and I watched the DVD.  I'm hooked.  There must have been some subliminal messages in that video because all I can think of is Michigan Michigan Michigan.  I really think this is where I'm going to be attending.  And summer start is only 5 months away, great!  I look forward to meeting all the cool people in this thread.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 06, 2008, 01:09:42 PM
Tag.

I just got my package yesterday, and I watched the DVD.  I'm hooked.  There must have been some subliminal messages in that video because all I can think of is Michigan Michigan Michigan.  I really think this is where I'm going to be attending.  And summer start is only 5 months away, great!  I look forward to meeting all the cool people in this thread.

Are you summer start?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 06, 2008, 01:43:44 PM
Tag.

I just got my package yesterday, and I watched the DVD.  I'm hooked.  There must have been some subliminal messages in that video because all I can think of is Michigan Michigan Michigan.  I really think this is where I'm going to be attending.  And summer start is only 5 months away, great!  I look forward to meeting all the cool people in this thread.

Are you summer start?

Congrats, tL!  If the group of summer-starters on this site are any indication, I think that we'll have a very cool class.  Can't wait to see you there.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 06, 2008, 01:56:04 PM
congrats!

and, Borges is awesome.   :)

Thanks.  I'm glad to see Borges get so much love on LSD.

Are you summer start?

Even if I wasn't, I would've shown up on May 27 anyway.

I can't wait to get away from my job and back to the life of a student.

Congrats, tL!  If the group of summer-starters on this site are any indication, I think that we'll have a very cool class.  Can't wait to see you there.

Ditto.  Everyone seems so cool.  Dean Z is quite skilled at her job, IMO.  :D

I can't wait until school starts though I am a bit concerned.  I've been out of school for 3 years.  It's going to be hard to get back into academic mode.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 06, 2008, 03:21:55 PM
Tag.

I just got my package yesterday, and I watched the DVD.  I'm hooked.  There must have been some subliminal messages in that video because all I can think of is Michigan Michigan Michigan.  I really think this is where I'm going to be attending.  And summer start is only 5 months away, great!  I look forward to meeting all the cool people in this thread.

Oh man, this is great. Congrats!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 06, 2008, 05:33:07 PM
I can't wait until school starts though I am a bit concerned.  I've been out of school for 3 years.  It's going to be hard to get back into academic mode.

It wasn't very hard for me.  I was out for 2 years and got right back into it. 

Cosigned.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 06, 2008, 05:36:25 PM
I can't wait until school starts though I am a bit concerned.  I've been out of school for 3 years.  It's going to be hard to get back into academic mode.

It wasn't very hard for me.  I was out for 2 years and got right back into it. 

Cosigned.

Same here, and I was out for a lot longer.  If anything, I think I handled it much better than I would have right out of college, due to various reasons (maturity, not burned out on school, greater appreciation for the opportunity).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on January 06, 2008, 09:54:41 PM

I can't wait until school starts though I am a bit concerned.  I've been out of school for 3 years.  It's going to be hard to get back into academic mode.

You will be so f-ing tired by the time May rolls around.  It's worth it, but seriously - rest up.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 07, 2008, 12:47:57 PM
how's that first day of class joy Michigunners?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 07, 2008, 12:56:45 PM
Question for previous summer starters and/or anybody who knows:  Do the summer starters normally go to the Fall orientation also?  Or at least participate in any of the events? It seems like it would be the best way to meet all the new people coming in.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 07, 2008, 01:00:56 PM
Question for previous summer starters and/or anybody who knows:  Do the summer starters normally go to the Fall orientation also?  Or at least participate in any of the events? It seems like it would be the best way to meet all the new people coming in.

No, they don't. Well, some came to the picnic.

Summer starters tend to be awfully separate from the rest of the class.  Maybe that will change when we have upper level classes together.  I have some summer starter friends, but that has to do with LSD and with playing on the summer softball team (because I moved to AA early).  And maybe people in the Lawyer's Club meet summer starters that way.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 07, 2008, 01:02:27 PM
they have a break while fall starters are at orientation - most of them go home or go someplace to get away from AA for a while before fall semester starts.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 07, 2008, 01:24:23 PM
Thanks for the quick responses.  That kinda sucks that it's so separate.

I guess I'll just be crashing some events because I know I'm gonna want to meet some new faces.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 07, 2008, 01:31:19 PM
http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/michiganlaw/ (http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/michiganlaw/)

I think I'm rather looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 07, 2008, 01:48:23 PM
http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/michiganlaw/ (http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/michiganlaw/)

I think I'm rather looking forward to it.

Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 07, 2008, 03:05:10 PM
no worries.

your username is my car.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 07, 2008, 04:14:58 PM
are there IM teams within the law school? someone mentioned a softball team. i'd love to play sports in the summer in ann arbor
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 07, 2008, 04:29:49 PM
Not within... we played in the normal university-wide IM leagues.  We made it to the semi-finals in the fall!!!  It was about half LSDers. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: littlemisssunshine on January 07, 2008, 05:32:32 PM
Not within... we played in the normal university-wide IM leagues.  We made it to the semi-finals in the fall!!!  It was about half LSDers. :)

are we still up for a trip to VA? Or even just a rematch in the spring of summer v. fall starters?! Cause that whole kicking us off the field thing was pretty lame.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 07, 2008, 05:41:24 PM
Ha... I think entering the UVA tournament would be really fun... not sure if people will be up for it that close to finals, though!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 08, 2008, 10:56:18 AM
Does anybody know on which sub-board the huge "Ask a 1L" thread is?  I can't seem to find it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 08, 2008, 11:06:41 AM
you know there are a bajillion 1Ls and few 2Ls on this very thread right?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Gengiswump on January 08, 2008, 11:08:29 AM
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,73525.0.html

But also, what AP said.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 08, 2008, 04:50:12 PM
you know there are a bajillion 1Ls and few 2Ls on this very thread right?

lol. I didn't really have any questions, just wanted something to read.

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,73525.0.html

But also, what AP said.

Thank you.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 09, 2008, 01:37:59 AM
Can anyone share with us what Preview Weekend is like? Like what activities/meals are planned and what people do when there's nothing scheduled. I know I get to experience it all very soon but I can't quench my excitement until then :)

Also, is it a good time to be looking for housing in March? I'm hoping to get a May lease and considered staying a couple days after ASW to do some hunting
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 09, 2008, 07:20:45 PM
Are you summer start?

edit: Missed your sig. I fail.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 09, 2008, 07:23:01 PM
I just checked flights, and non-stop roundtrip was $125.  Damn good deal.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 09, 2008, 07:27:46 PM
That ain't bad at all.

You've got to visit. It's so much more impressive in person, and it's pretty damn impressive on the DVD.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 09, 2008, 07:43:39 PM
You've got to visit. It's so much more impressive in person, and it's pretty damn impressive on the DVD.

I've watched the DVD so many times now.  :D

I'm hyped about the school, students, atmosphere, facilities etc.

I worried I'm not going to like Ann Arbor.  That's going to be the deal maker/breaker.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 09, 2008, 08:14:53 PM
You've got to visit. It's so much more impressive in person, and it's pretty damn impressive on the DVD.

I've watched the DVD so many times now.  :D

I'm hyped about the school, students, atmosphere, facilities etc.

I worried I'm not going to like Ann Arbor.  That's going to be the deal maker/breaker.

i agree 100%
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 09, 2008, 08:15:09 PM
You've got to visit. It's so much more impressive in person, and it's pretty damn impressive on the DVD.

I've watched the DVD so many times now.  :D

I'm hyped about the school, students, atmosphere, facilities etc.

I worried I'm not going to like Ann Arbor.  That's going to be the deal maker/breaker.

What are you worried you won't like about it?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 09, 2008, 09:51:18 PM
Can anyone share with us what Preview Weekend is like? Like what activities/meals are planned and what people do when there's nothing scheduled. I know I get to experience it all very soon but I can't quench my excitement until then :)

Also, is it a good time to be looking for housing in March? I'm hoping to get a May lease and considered staying a couple days after ASW to do some hunting

There's almost always something planned, even if it's unofficial (ie Outlaws had a party, Squalsa had an event at a bar, etc).  For the preview weekend that I attended, Thursday night was the student-funded fellowships auction.  I heard it was lots of fun and alcohol, but I missed it because my flight was delayed.  It doesn't really start until Thursday evening, so you can fly in on Thurs afternoon.  Friday was all official stuff, then Outlaws party that night.  Afterwards was the infamous Necto outing (highly recommended!  :D).  Saturday morning there was one or two sessions scheduled, then we were done.  We ended up having a lsd get-together at lunch.  You'll meet tons of people because you're all staying at the same place and hanging out all weekend.  Unless you're completely lifeless, you'll make your own fun.

You can definitely house hunt in March.  I know of at least one lsd-er who signed a lease before preview weekend ended.  We have to let landlords know whether or not we're renewing around this time, so there'll be plenty of open stock.  Let us know if you have any housing questions.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 09, 2008, 09:55:52 PM
anyone in this thread who has a car? (in Ann Arbor, smartasses ;) )
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 10, 2008, 12:56:05 AM
anyone in this thread who has a car? (in Ann Arbor, smartasses ;) )

Yup.  I rarely drive anywhere though, other than to get groceries.

How's monthly parking?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 10, 2008, 04:45:20 AM
Most people I know live far enough off-campus that parking is free - my house has a driveway and there's plenty of street parking.  If you do the LC, I hear that parking spots near the Law Quad go for ~ $80/mo., but I'm no authority. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 10, 2008, 06:42:52 AM
FWIW My SO lives in the LC and doesn't pay for a parking spot - she just parks on the street wherever she can find a spot south of the law school - it's at least 2 blocks away and sometimes 4 or 5 blocks away, and sometimes it takes forever to find a spot, but that's not bad for free parking.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 10, 2008, 08:47:59 AM
What are you worried you won't like about it?

I'm not a big fan of small cities.  I live in a mid-sized city now (2 million people), and I think it's too small for me.  I worry about having things to do, the dating pool, quality of life, etc. and being a minority sometimes can make these problems worse.  I'm really hoping that my concerns are unfounded because I'm really excited about Michigan, but I'm scared that the school experience might not be able to outweigh the negatives of living in a small city.  I'm definitely going to give it a chance though.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 10, 2008, 11:13:03 AM
anyone in this thread who has a car? (in Ann Arbor, smartasses ;) )

I have a car, but like other people have said, if you live off-campus your place will almost definitely come with a parking spot.  I wouldn't want to be without one unless I was living in the LC (and only then b/c parking, as a general rule, is kind of a pain in the ass).  I'm moving within spitting distance of the law quad next year and am keeping the car around (mainly because my 1990 Trans-Am is a real babe magnet, though...). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 10, 2008, 11:46:49 AM
I will NOT be living in the LC.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 10, 2008, 12:10:32 PM
I will NOT be living in the LC.

What are your reasons?

I keep going back and forth.  I sent in my application just to be sure though.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 10, 2008, 12:11:51 PM
I'm moving within spitting distance of the law quad next year

What kind of places are available within short distance of the law quad?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 10, 2008, 12:27:37 PM
I'm moving within spitting distance of the law quad next year

What kind of places are available within short distance of the law quad?

HM and I are in a small apartment building just about 2 blocks away, south of the quad next year.  There are lots of options very close to the law quad.  Stuff that's a little closer to undergrads (like some stuff on Tappan, Oakland, etc.), and stuff that gets closer to more professional living (Hill, Hoover, Davis, etc.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 10, 2008, 01:55:08 PM
it's kind of sad how giddy I get when I get any correspondance from Dean. Z.  I love the michigan stationary.

I'm sure this will all change when the big bills come a calling.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 10, 2008, 02:09:26 PM
I will NOT be living in the LC.

What are your reasons?

I keep going back and forth.  I sent in my application just to be sure though.

Already?  Is it necessary to apply this early?  I'm not even sure I'm going to Mich yet.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 10, 2008, 02:18:12 PM
Already?  Is it necessary to apply this early?  I'm not even sure I'm going to Mich yet.

They said to send it in ASAP because the later you wait, the harder it might be to get a spot.  Why not send it in?  You don't have to send a deposit or anything.  All you have to do is fill out the form and mail it off.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 10, 2008, 02:19:59 PM
They suggest you submit the LC forms ASAP if you have any desire to live there. I submitted mine about a week after I got my package, and they said they'll send me a lease in May.

The first form you send in is non-binding. The second lease is the one that counts. If you have any interest in the LC, you should probably send in the form.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 10, 2008, 02:20:13 PM
HM and I are in a small apartment building just about 2 blocks away, south of the quad next year.  There are lots of options very close to the law quad.  Stuff that's a little closer to undergrads (like some stuff on Tappan, Oakland, etc.), and stuff that gets closer to more professional living (Hill, Hoover, Davis, etc.)

Thanks.  This might be my other alternative.  I want to live as close as possible.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 10, 2008, 02:38:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMIPahuaFxs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMIPahuaFxs)

Michigan Basketball #1 !!!!

This video is hilarious.  I love self-depricating humor.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 10, 2008, 03:27:29 PM
They suggest you submit the LC forms ASAP if you have any desire to live there. I submitted mine about a week after I got my package, and they said they'll send me a lease in May.

The first form you send in is non-binding. The second lease is the one that counts. If you have any interest in the LC, you should probably send in the form.

Eh, anecdotally, I think they oversell this for their own benefit.  LC spots are almost always open, even last minute.  I have a friend who got in off the waitlist very late and got a room no problem. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Mickey Ward on January 10, 2008, 06:01:16 PM
Like The Poster, I live about a half-hour walk from school, in the OWS. I love it. There's a big drop-off in both rent and undergrads (with all that they entail) if you get outside the 15-minute walk.

The bus system is extensive and reliable. I usually just walk (it's a pretty pleasant hike), but when the place is snowed over, the  I have a 10-minute ride by bus. I have to transfer, but that's surprisingly fast and easy, and it takes me door-to-door.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: TeresaPinfold on January 10, 2008, 06:16:44 PM
Will we get additional forms for the Darrow? While the offer says all I need to know, the Berkeley matching scholarship program seems to want a financial aid offer letter with itemized Tuition, Living Expenses, Scholarships and Loan values.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 10, 2008, 06:27:58 PM
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Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 10, 2008, 07:20:24 PM
They suggest you submit the LC forms ASAP if you have any desire to live there. I submitted mine about a week after I got my package, and they said they'll send me a lease in May.

The first form you send in is non-binding. The second lease is the one that counts. If you have any interest in the LC, you should probably send in the form.

Eh, anecdotally, I think they oversell this for their own benefit.  LC spots are almost always open, even last minute.  I have a friend who got in off the waitlist very late and got a room no problem. 

Haha, good to know. They make it sound like if you don't turn your *&^% in THREE DAYS AGO you're not going to get a spot  :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 10, 2008, 07:23:59 PM
yeah you won't have a problem getting a spot if you want it, but it can't hurt to send it in sometime in the next few months :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 11, 2008, 04:12:11 AM
Like The Poster, I live about a half-hour walk from school, in the OWS. I love it. There's a big drop-off in both rent and undergrads (with all that they entail) if you get outside the 15-minute walk.

The bus system is extensive and reliable. I usually just walk (it's a pretty pleasant hike), but when the place is snowed over, the I have a 10-minute ride by bus. I have to transfer, but that's surprisingly fast and easy, and it takes me door-to-door.

Couldn't agree more.

So, you did survive your first semester after all!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: 10shot on January 11, 2008, 08:21:42 AM
Hey everybody.  I'm excited to have been accepted not too long ago.  I am currently in a different country though so I haven't gotten to watch the DVD you keep talking about which is kind of a bummer.  I was wondering if there was a scholarship application that had gone out?  The reason being that my mail is all being sent to someone back in the states and I want to have her look for it if it has come.  I knew someone said something earlier about an application being mailed out last year for scholarships.  Anyway, congrats to all those accepted and thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 11, 2008, 08:39:09 AM
Hi 10shot.  First, congratulations.  The only scholarship activity so far has been for the Darrow, which sounds like it would have been an e-mail.  Other than that, I don't think anything happens until people start completing their FAFSA stuff.  I would get that done as soon as you are able.  Their is a link at the admitted students website (called "Mail and Money") that tells you of all the mailings that Michigan sends out, so you might want to keep an eye on that.  (The log-in and password should be in the package that Michigan sent, so that is one thing you need to ask them to look for.)

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 11, 2008, 10:34:37 AM
Hey everybody.  I'm excited to have been accepted not too long ago.  I am currently in a different country though so I haven't gotten to watch the DVD you keep talking about which is kind of a bummer.  I was wondering if there was a scholarship application that had gone out?  The reason being that my mail is all being sent to someone back in the states and I want to have her look for it if it has come.  I knew someone said something earlier about an application being mailed out last year for scholarships.  Anyway, congrats to all those accepted and thanks for the help.

Congratz!  Are you a summer or fall starter?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 11, 2008, 11:30:51 AM
Congratulations, shot!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: 10shot on January 12, 2008, 03:57:02 AM
Thanks all, I would be a fall starter.  Thinking about the second admit day.  It looks like most people are thinking about the first though is that right?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 12, 2008, 07:58:22 AM
Fall starter planning on the second aws here.

I have to admit that I got a bit jealous of the summer starters while reading the blog posted a few pages back on this thread. If I knew that I was going to get to play basketball against my professors I would be much more motivated to work myself back into my pre-lsat studying form (where I could dunk).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 12, 2008, 10:36:47 AM
6'2 210 lbs (have some work to do to get back down to 210 now that Im not working on apps or xmas daily)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 12, 2008, 10:47:56 AM
While growing up, doctors always predicted that I'd end up around 6'4. Im still waiting  >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 12, 2008, 10:52:27 AM
I had some big xii and other offers on the table (for football), but I had to have surgery during my hs senior season and most schools lost interest. I ended up playing at a Div 1-AA school and quitting quickly so that I could focus on school.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 12, 2008, 11:00:40 AM
ILB/DE/DT. I played football at 240-270 lbs. The 210 and dunking came a year after I quit football.
Title: Michigan Class of 2011: APARTMENT SUB-LET AVAILABLE for Summer Starters
Post by: Margaret H on January 12, 2008, 03:21:20 PM
Hey There Michigan class of 2011,
I am a 1L at Michigan with an apartment that I'm looking to sublet to a summer starter planning to live in the lawyer's club and needing a place to live for the summer.
My apartment is on 320 South Division Street and it about a 5 (7 if you're slow) minute walk to the law school. The apartment is a spacious studio with the following features:
- fully furnished
- large bathroom
- very high ceilings
- southern exposure so flooded with light
- large closet
- close to the law school but also close to main street (where all the shops, bars and restaurants are)
- close to campus downtown (state street where there are also bars and shops)
- Parking
- Lots of charming original details (moulding etc)
I have found the apartment to be a very very peaceful place to live and study during my first semester in law school and would love to share it with an incoming 1L!
Rent is negotiable but will be in the neighborhood of $700/month - I'm amenable to other offers.

Email me if you're interested and I'll send you pictures!

Margaret Hayden
mbhayden@umich.edu

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 13, 2008, 09:44:50 PM
Does anyone have any opinions about backpacks?  More specifically, I am wondering about brand preferences, or any certain features we should be looking for.  I will probably buy a Lenovo X61s notebook (which is pretty small), but I want to make sure I have a good bag for carrying whatever reading materials and anything else we need. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on January 13, 2008, 09:53:53 PM
I like the Swiss-Army bags. I use the Victorinox version, but I believe Wegener (sp?) sells some good ones too.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 13, 2008, 10:22:59 PM
Does anyone have any opinions about backpacks?  More specifically, I am wondering about brand preferences, or any certain features we should be looking for.  I will probably buy a Lenovo X61s notebook (which is pretty small), but I want to make sure I have a good bag for carrying whatever reading materials and anything else we need. 

The x61s is great.  Piggy and I both have one and we have nothing but good things to say about it.

As for the backpack, your casebooks are the real heavyweight.  I try to read for at least one of my classes during the day or after class so that I'm only carrying two books back and forth.  I have a Columbia bag, but I wouldn't recommend it (at least the one I have).  I feel like it could be better at holding everything.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 14, 2008, 02:45:18 AM
I've been looking at both the Lenovo X61 and X61s, and will probably get the X61 (slightly cheaper and I think I'll be satisfied with the battery life as it is). If people are looking around for laptops right now, there's a Lenovo discount on thinkpads until Jan 21st.

When you guys are talking about backpacks, do you mean regular backpacks or laptop bags/messenger bags?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 14, 2008, 06:23:32 AM
I've been looking at both the Lenovo X61 and X61s, and will probably get the X61 (slightly cheaper and I think I'll be satisfied with the battery life as it is). If people are looking around for laptops right now, there's a Lenovo discount on thinkpads until Jan 21st.

When you guys are talking about backpacks, do you mean regular backpacks or laptop bags/messenger bags?

You'll definitely need a regular backpack (see above point about ridiculously heavy textbooks).  You can get a messenger bag for the occaisional light day or to use outside of school, but you'll be using a backpack most days, at least as a 1L. 

The only exception might be people who live in the lc, because depending on your schedule, you might have time time to go back and forth between classes and won't have to carry more than 1 text.  Otoh, a lot of schedules have classes back to back, so you won't have time to even go to the lc.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: friday1398 on January 14, 2008, 10:50:40 AM
I'll be attending the ASW in March. Quick question - the logical route is to fly into Detroit and take a cab from there. However, my other option would be to fly into Chicago (much cheaper ticket) and rent a car, which combined would be roughly the same cost as the ticket to Detroit and cab ride to Ann Arbor.

I suppose it would be nice to have a car for the weekend. Any suggestions? Is the drive from Chicago to Ann Arbor pretty rough? Google maps puts it at about 4 hours, is that accurate?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rtqw on January 14, 2008, 12:14:50 PM
I'll be attending the ASW in March. Quick question - the logical route is to fly into Detroit and take a cab from there. However, my other option would be to fly into Chicago (much cheaper ticket) and rent a car, which combined would be roughly the same cost as the ticket to Detroit and cab ride to Ann Arbor.

I suppose it would be nice to have a car for the weekend. Any suggestions? Is the drive from Chicago to Ann Arbor pretty rough? Google maps puts it at about 4 hours, is that accurate?

Four hours is accurate, from what I've heard.

Last year, I know people here organized sharing a cab to/from the airport. I ended up paying like $10 each way coming and going back to the airport. So you guys might be able to save some money that way.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 14, 2008, 12:56:11 PM
I'll be attending the ASW in March. Quick question - the logical route is to fly into Detroit and take a cab from there. However, my other option would be to fly into Chicago (much cheaper ticket) and rent a car, which combined would be roughly the same cost as the ticket to Detroit and cab ride to Ann Arbor.

I suppose it would be nice to have a car for the weekend. Any suggestions? Is the drive from Chicago to Ann Arbor pretty rough? Google maps puts it at about 4 hours, is that accurate?

Four hours is accurate, from what I've heard.

Last year, I know people here organized sharing a cab to/from the airport. I ended up paying like $10 each way coming and going back to the airport. So you guys might be able to save some money that way.


There's also a shuttle bus (Michigan Flyer) that  runs from one of the hotels in AA.

You won't really need a car over ASW unless you're not staying at the hotel through the admissions office or plan to try and find housing outside of walking distance (even then, it would be cheaper to get a zipcar for a few hours).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 14, 2008, 12:59:13 PM

There's also a shuttle bus (Michigan Flyer) that  runs from one of the hotels in AA.

You won't really need a car over ASW unless you're not staying at the hotel through the admissions office or plan to try and find housing outside of walking distance (even then, it would be cheaper to get a zipcar for a few hours).

What's a zipcar?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 14, 2008, 01:11:27 PM
What's a zipcar?

www.zipcar.com

A temporary car service.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: RokoMotion on January 14, 2008, 01:13:53 PM
I believe this thread is falsely titled.

Enlightened principles reveal that Penn Law 2011 is where you should be.  That is all  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 14, 2008, 01:18:00 PM
What's a zipcar?

www.zipcar.com

A temporary car service.

You just reserve it, use your card to open the car, and drive off.  There are two cars parked right outside the law school and two more about a block or two away.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 14, 2008, 01:19:06 PM
What's a zipcar?

www.zipcar.com

A temporary car service.

You just reserve it, use your card to open the car, and drive off.  There are two cars parked right outside the law school and two more about a block or two away.

Thanks.  That's pretty cool; I've never heard of such a thing.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Unsubtle Michigan Troll on January 14, 2008, 03:16:20 PM
I believe this thread is falsely titled.

Enlightened principles reveal that Penn Law 2011 is where you should be.  That is all  ;)

Unsubstantiated allegations not worthy of consideration by this rational fact finder!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 14, 2008, 03:41:01 PM
Does anyone have any opinions about backpacks?  More specifically, I am wondering about brand preferences, or any certain features we should be looking for.  I will probably buy a Lenovo X61s notebook (which is pretty small), but I want to make sure I have a good bag for carrying whatever reading materials and anything else we need. 

I LOVE YOUR COCKATIEL!  I miss mine (had him from age 6 to age 20) very much.

I got a bag from High Sierra at ebags.com for a VERY reasonable price, and it's holding up very well.  No signs of wear and tear yet, and it fits lots and lots of stuff.

I'm still not sure why my bag is bigger and heavier than everyone else's though.  I don't get what I'm carrying that is extra.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 14, 2008, 03:46:11 PM
Does anyone have any opinions about backpacks?  More specifically, I am wondering about brand preferences, or any certain features we should be looking for.  I will probably buy a Lenovo X61s notebook (which is pretty small), but I want to make sure I have a good bag for carrying whatever reading materials and anything else we need. 

I LOVE YOUR COCKATIEL!  I miss mine (had him from age 6 to age 20) very much.

I got a bag from High Sierra at ebags.com for a VERY reasonable price, and it's holding up very well.  No signs of wear and tear yet, and it fits lots and lots of stuff.

I'm still not sure why my bag is bigger and heavier than everyone else's though.  I don't get what I'm carrying that is extra.

It's cause your laptop is ginormous.  :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 14, 2008, 03:56:31 PM
Does anyone have any opinions about backpacks?  More specifically, I am wondering about brand preferences, or any certain features we should be looking for.  I will probably buy a Lenovo X61s notebook (which is pretty small), but I want to make sure I have a good bag for carrying whatever reading materials and anything else we need. 

I LOVE YOUR COCKATIEL!  I miss mine (had him from age 6 to age 20) very much.

I got a bag from High Sierra at ebags.com for a VERY reasonable price, and it's holding up very well.  No signs of wear and tear yet, and it fits lots and lots of stuff.

I'm still not sure why my bag is bigger and heavier than everyone else's though.  I don't get what I'm carrying that is extra.

It's cause your laptop is ginormous.  :P

credited.  :D  If it's any consolation, it took me a long time to figure out why normal-sized bags seemed so big and unwieldy on me. 

I used <a href=“http://www.ogio.com/product.php?product=442”>this backpack[/url] for most of 1L.  Worked like a charm.  But I have a bit of a bag fetish, so I've tried every imaginable combination.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 14, 2008, 04:29:27 PM
Does anyone have any opinions about backpacks?  More specifically, I am wondering about brand preferences, or any certain features we should be looking for.  I will probably buy a Lenovo X61s notebook (which is pretty small), but I want to make sure I have a good bag for carrying whatever reading materials and anything else we need. 

I LOVE YOUR COCKATIEL!  I miss mine (had him from age 6 to age 20) very much.

I got a bag from High Sierra at ebags.com for a VERY reasonable price, and it's holding up very well.  No signs of wear and tear yet, and it fits lots and lots of stuff.

I'm still not sure why my bag is bigger and heavier than everyone else's though.  I don't get what I'm carrying that is extra.

It's cause your laptop is ginormous.  :P

It's totally not!  I've downgraded to a 15 inch MBP, the same as a lot of people (including Jolie and Pearl), and smaller than most 15 inch PCs.  I had issues with the 17 inch, which has now been repaired (fingers crossed) and become Mr. Flyaway's new toy.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 14, 2008, 04:45:50 PM
15 inch MBP

This is what I'm getting, and I can't wait.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 14, 2008, 05:07:22 PM

 But I have a bit of a bag fetish



what does that entail?   :o
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 14, 2008, 06:18:27 PM

 But I have a bit of a bag fetish



what does that entail?   :o

(http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/uktop.jpg)

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Oh, you two are so not ovarian.  Guaranteed that the ladies know what I mean. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 14, 2008, 06:29:49 PM

 But I have a bit of a bag fetish



what does that entail?   :o

(http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/uktop.jpg)

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Oh, you two are so not ovarian.  Guaranteed that the ladies know what I mean. 

I know exactly what you mean.  It makes me sad to carry the same boring backpack every day.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 14, 2008, 09:42:00 PM

 But I have a bit of a bag fetish



what does that entail?   :o

(http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/uktop.jpg)

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Oh, you two are so not ovarian.  Guaranteed that the ladies know what I mean. 

I know exactly what you mean.  It makes me sad to carry the same boring backpack every day.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 15, 2008, 07:09:23 AM
fet·ish –noun

1. an object regarded with awe as being the embodiment or habitation of a potent spirit or as having magical potency. 
2. any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion: to make a fetish of high grades. 
3. Psychology. any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. 


Definitions 1 and 2 are dead to me.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: dontknowwheretogo on January 15, 2008, 10:59:21 AM
Has anyone received thier information packets in the mail yet?  (Housing, Financial Aid, Admitted Students Weekend, etc.)?  I'm a summer starter that deferred from last year, and I got my materials last year, but they said they would be sending them again this year....
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: kirchner on January 15, 2008, 11:52:43 AM
Has anyone received thier information packets in the mail yet?  (Housing, Financial Aid, Admitted Students Weekend, etc.)?  I'm a summer starter that deferred from last year, and I got my materials last year, but they said they would be sending them again this year....

I'd call or email to remind them. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 15, 2008, 12:10:21 PM
Has anyone received thier information packets in the mail yet?  (Housing, Financial Aid, Admitted Students Weekend, etc.)?  I'm a summer starter that deferred from last year, and I got my materials last year, but they said they would be sending them again this year....

For dontknow and anyone else who's interested, the admitted student's website has recently been updated and has preview weekend and summer start info that wasn't up before.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 15, 2008, 01:08:04 PM
Big kudos to UMICH!  I loved the flash invitation to preview week.  Can't wait to go.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 15, 2008, 01:11:01 PM
Big kudos to UMICH!  I loved the flash invitation to preview week.  Can't wait to go.

Credited.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 15, 2008, 01:29:29 PM
Just registered for march! We should definitely plan an LSD get-together for Saturday lunch
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 15, 2008, 01:40:21 PM
Awwww.  I'm probably going to miss a lot of you.  I registered for April.  I can't wait to go on the jogging tour with Dean Z.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 15, 2008, 01:45:18 PM
Just registered for march! We should definitely plan an LSD get-together for Saturday lunch

Also registered for March.  Anyone else for lunch?

Awwww.  I'm probably going to miss a lot of you.  I registered for April.  I can't wait to go on the jogging tour with Dean Z.  :D :D :D

I need to get in better shape.  They can't revoke an offer on the basis of passing out halfway through the Dean Z jog, can they?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 15, 2008, 01:50:41 PM
Just registered for march! We should definitely plan an LSD get-together for Saturday lunch

Also registered for March.  Anyone else for lunch?

Awwww.  I'm probably going to miss a lot of you.  I registered for April.  I can't wait to go on the jogging tour with Dean Z.  :D :D :D

I need to get in better shape.  They can't revoke an offer on the basis of passing out halfway through the Dean Z jog, can they?

LOL. I had this exact same thought. I hope by "jog," they truly mean jog.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 15, 2008, 01:52:42 PM
Definitely in for lunch. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 15, 2008, 02:04:26 PM
Definitely in for lunch. 

Sweet.  What other LSDers want to meet for Saturday lunch during March preview?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 15, 2008, 02:51:48 PM
I'm really trying to decide if I should sign up for a Michigan ASW.  It's completely my top choice of the schools that have accepted me, but my main issue is that it's fairly expensive for me to fly out from Hawaii, so I'll only have enough money for 2, or maybe 3 subsidized, trips to ASWs, and I haven't heard from HYSCCNP at all yet.  It's unlikely that I'll get into any of them, and even if I did I might still want to visit Michigan, but in the off chance that I do get in to a couple of them, I'd like to have my options open.  So I'm really not sure what to do.

Any thoughts/shameless Michigan promotion?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 15, 2008, 03:07:28 PM
I might be joining some of you guys for an ASW :D And possibly for law school :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: RokoMotion on January 15, 2008, 03:10:05 PM
I'm really trying to decide if I should sign up for a Michigan ASW.  It's completely my top choice of the schools that have accepted me, but my main issue is that it's fairly expensive for me to fly out from Hawaii, so I'll only have enough money for 2, or maybe 3 subsidized, trips to ASWs, and I haven't heard from HYSCCNP at all yet.  It's unlikely that I'll get into any of them, and even if I did I might still want to visit Michigan, but in the off chance that I do get in to a couple of them, I'd like to have my options open.  So I'm really not sure what to do.

Any thoughts/shameless Michigan promotion?

It doesn't seem to be significantly harder to get into Penn that it is to get into Michigan.  If your numbers are borderline, perhaps it may be a stretch, but probably not.  My guess is that if you're in at Michigan, you have a pretty good shot at Penn.  That would add one more potential ASW to the list for you. 

Then again, a lot of those schools are significantly further East than Mich.  Does this add a decent chunk of change to flight tickets, or no?  I'm not sure.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 15, 2008, 03:18:12 PM
April ASWers unite!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 15, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
I'm really trying to decide if I should sign up for a Michigan ASW.  It's completely my top choice of the schools that have accepted me, but my main issue is that it's fairly expensive for me to fly out from Hawaii, so I'll only have enough money for 2, or maybe 3 subsidized, trips to ASWs, and I haven't heard from HYSCCNP at all yet.  It's unlikely that I'll get into any of them, and even if I did I might still want to visit Michigan, but in the off chance that I do get in to a couple of them, I'd like to have my options open.  So I'm really not sure what to do.

Any thoughts/shameless Michigan promotion?

It doesn't seem to be significantly harder to get into Penn that it is to get into Michigan.  If your numbers are borderline, perhaps it may be a stretch, but probably not.  My guess is that if you're in at Michigan, you have a pretty good shot at Penn.  That would add one more potential ASW to the list for you. 

Then again, a lot of those schools are significantly further East than Mich.  Does this add a decent chunk of change to flight tickets, or no?  I'm not sure.

Just my 2 cents.

My numbers are 170/3.79.  Penn did just ask for my fall grades, though. 

While it would probably be more expensive to visit HY, the fact that I could fly into a major airport for the others pretty much makes the price difference negligible.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: RokoMotion on January 15, 2008, 03:32:39 PM
I'm really trying to decide if I should sign up for a Michigan ASW.  It's completely my top choice of the schools that have accepted me, but my main issue is that it's fairly expensive for me to fly out from Hawaii, so I'll only have enough money for 2, or maybe 3 subsidized, trips to ASWs, and I haven't heard from HYSCCNP at all yet.  It's unlikely that I'll get into any of them, and even if I did I might still want to visit Michigan, but in the off chance that I do get in to a couple of them, I'd like to have my options open.  So I'm really not sure what to do.

Any thoughts/shameless Michigan promotion?

It doesn't seem to be significantly harder to get into Penn that it is to get into Michigan.  If your numbers are borderline, perhaps it may be a stretch, but probably not.  My guess is that if you're in at Michigan, you have a pretty good shot at Penn.  That would add one more potential ASW to the list for you. 

Then again, a lot of those schools are significantly further East than Mich.  Does this add a decent chunk of change to flight tickets, or no?  I'm not sure.

Just my 2 cents.

My numbers are 170/3.79.  Penn did just ask for my fall grades, though. 

While it would probably be more expensive to visit HY, the fact that I could fly into a major airport for the others pretty much makes the price difference negligible.

I don't think you have much to worry about.  You'll hear back from some of those schools soon and then you can figure out your options.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 15, 2008, 04:35:18 PM
Just registered for march! We should definitely plan an LSD get-together for Saturday lunch

Also registered for March.  Anyone else for lunch?


This was my job last year.  I have two suggestions:

a.  do it early, rather than later (by the time saturday lunch comes, everyone already knows everyone, and it was less about meeting up and more about having lunch, which is fine, but somewhat less interesting)

b.  do it informally.  i organized a whole thing and had a buffet, and had everyone chip in, but people will bail, etc., etc.  I would suggest that you all meet at a place like Leopold's.  Call them ahead of time, tell them you are coming and they will reserve a table.  Then everyone can drink & eat to their hearts content without any problems. 

I'd also do it on Thursday Night, or Thursday before the events start, rather than on Saturday.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 15, 2008, 04:42:14 PM
I might be joining some of you guys for an ASW :D And possibly for law school :D

I saw that you went decision, but not that you were in!  Congratulations!  You definitely need to be there at the ASW. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 15, 2008, 04:43:05 PM
I'm really trying to decide if I should sign up for a Michigan ASW.  It's completely my top choice of the schools that have accepted me, but my main issue is that it's fairly expensive for me to fly out from Hawaii, so I'll only have enough money for 2, or maybe 3 subsidized, trips to ASWs, and I haven't heard from HYSCCNP at all yet.  It's unlikely that I'll get into any of them, and even if I did I might still want to visit Michigan, but in the off chance that I do get in to a couple of them, I'd like to have my options open.  So I'm really not sure what to do.

Any thoughts/shameless Michigan promotion?

It doesn't seem to be significantly harder to get into Penn that it is to get into Michigan.  If your numbers are borderline, perhaps it may be a stretch, but probably not.  My guess is that if you're in at Michigan, you have a pretty good shot at Penn.  That would add one more potential ASW to the list for you. 

Then again, a lot of those schools are significantly further East than Mich.  Does this add a decent chunk of change to flight tickets, or no?  I'm not sure.

Just my 2 cents.

My numbers are 170/3.79.  Penn did just ask for my fall grades, though. 

While it would probably be more expensive to visit HY, the fact that I could fly into a major airport for the others pretty much makes the price difference negligible.

Major airport?  Were you trying to fly directly to Ann Arbor?  It's like twenty minutes from Detroit Metro Airport.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 15, 2008, 04:48:17 PM
April ASWers unite!!!

!!!

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 15, 2008, 06:06:44 PM
Anyone want to set up a March preview weekend get-together?

*not it*
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 15, 2008, 06:41:01 PM
April ASWers unite!!!

!!!



f-ing awesome!!!

Quote from: tl
Sex:     Male

oh... well... still cool!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 15, 2008, 08:14:37 PM
March ASWer!  I get in on Wednesday though and they aren't providing hotels until Thursday night...maybe I'll pull a Vegas Wednesday night?  I am a cheap accountant...  Oh, and I am pumped for the Dean Z jog, and the gym passes  ;D

I vote for a get-together before Saturday lunch.  If enough people are will get there in time for Thursday before check-in (which really we don't need to do until like 2:30-3, depending on if you want a tour) we could do it then?  That way we'll have already met for the rest of it  :)

For anyone undecided about coming for one, pile on!  All the cool kids are doing it  ;)

I had big plans for the gym passes too.  That didn't work out as planned.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 15, 2008, 08:15:08 PM
March ASWer!  I get in on Wednesday though and they aren't providing hotels until Thursday night...maybe I'll pull a Vegas Wednesday night?  I am a cheap accountant...  Oh, and I am pumped for the Dean Z jog, and the gym passes  ;D

I vote for a get-together before Saturday lunch.  If enough people are will get there in time for Thursday before check-in (which really we don't need to do until like 2:30-3, depending on if you want a tour) we could do it then?  That way we'll have already met for the rest of it  :)

For anyone undecided about coming for one, pile on!  All the cool kids are doing it  ;)

Call the admissions office and ask about hotel accomodations for Wednesday night.  Last year they provided hotel for the day before and after ASW for people who were coming early or staying late.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 15, 2008, 08:29:43 PM
But [undisclosed address on] S Main Street does!  We may even have a craps game going.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 15, 2008, 08:34:35 PM
I think I'm going to have to fly in Wednesday night now too. That, or a red-eye flight getting me into detroit around 10am. Gpbne, maybe we can hang out if we're gonna be stuck there Wednesday.

A get-together earlier in the weekend sounds like a good idea. I think we'll miss a bunch of people if we do it Thursday before the activities, so how about Thursday night? We could squeeze it in between dinner and the night event. Perhaps some informal gathering at the closest bar. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 15, 2008, 08:49:02 PM
FYI: the CCHA (hockey) quarterfinals will be the Friday of the first Preview Weekend.  So long as we don't completely crap the bed, that game should be played here and would be an AWESOME way to spend the 7-10pm portion of your night.  I did this last year, got to experience Yost Arena (which is an absurd amount of fun), and then met up with everybody at the bar night later on.

Also, it will be awkward explaining to everybody else how you all know each other and why you're already sitting around screwing off and laughing.  No big deal, obviously, but it was kind of interesting to balance being weird and deliberately evasive or just unabashedly weird and internet-y.  Regardless, having the LSD crew around for the weekend was a large part of what made it such a great time.  So, join the facebook group, put up self-'tars, etc. and don't be shy when you show up and can no longer type at people. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 15, 2008, 08:52:32 PM

Also, it will be awkward explaining to everybody else how you all know each other and why you're already sitting around screwing off and laughing. 

I just explained to everyone that I was a REALLY good tour guide/hostess who made her charges feel at home. 

p.s. hollow, any word on other ticket sources?  I'm so pissed that I let my miserliness interfere with our presence at music goodness. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 15, 2008, 08:55:20 PM

Also, it will be awkward explaining to everybody else how you all know each other and why you're already sitting around screwing off and laughing.

I just explained to everyone that I was a REALLY good tour guide/hostess who made her charges feel at home. 

p.s. hollow, any word on other ticket sources?  I'm so pissed that I let my miserliness interfere with our presence at music goodness. 

Ha, you were, but there was plenty of time when you weren't around to mediate.  I, at least, had very little Jolie time that weekend. 

Nothing on other tickets. I think we're effed. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 15, 2008, 09:29:15 PM
I'm really trying to decide if I should sign up for a Michigan ASW.  It's completely my top choice of the schools that have accepted me, but my main issue is that it's fairly expensive for me to fly out from Hawaii, so I'll only have enough money for 2, or maybe 3 subsidized, trips to ASWs, and I haven't heard from HYSCCNP at all yet.  It's unlikely that I'll get into any of them, and even if I did I might still want to visit Michigan, but in the off chance that I do get in to a couple of them, I'd like to have my options open.  So I'm really not sure what to do.

Any thoughts/shameless Michigan promotion?

It doesn't seem to be significantly harder to get into Penn that it is to get into Michigan.  If your numbers are borderline, perhaps it may be a stretch, but probably not.  My guess is that if you're in at Michigan, you have a pretty good shot at Penn.  That would add one more potential ASW to the list for you. 

Then again, a lot of those schools are significantly further East than Mich.  Does this add a decent chunk of change to flight tickets, or no?  I'm not sure.

Just my 2 cents.

My numbers are 170/3.79.  Penn did just ask for my fall grades, though. 

While it would probably be more expensive to visit HY, the fact that I could fly into a major airport for the others pretty much makes the price difference negligible.

Major airport?  Were you trying to fly directly to Ann Arbor?  It's like twenty minutes from Detroit Metro Airport.

No, I was looking at prices to Detroit, which is certainly bigger, but I meant major along the lines of O'Hare or JFK.

I just looked, and Detroit is much bigger than I thought, but the tickets don't really reflect that.  I guess there's not a lot of people going from Honolulu to Detroit.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 06:00:47 AM
I'm really trying to decide if I should sign up for a Michigan ASW.  It's completely my top choice of the schools that have accepted me, but my main issue is that it's fairly expensive for me to fly out from Hawaii, so I'll only have enough money for 2, or maybe 3 subsidized, trips to ASWs, and I haven't heard from HYSCCNP at all yet.  It's unlikely that I'll get into any of them, and even if I did I might still want to visit Michigan, but in the off chance that I do get in to a couple of them, I'd like to have my options open.  So I'm really not sure what to do.

Any thoughts/shameless Michigan promotion?

It doesn't seem to be significantly harder to get into Penn that it is to get into Michigan.  If your numbers are borderline, perhaps it may be a stretch, but probably not.  My guess is that if you're in at Michigan, you have a pretty good shot at Penn.  That would add one more potential ASW to the list for you. 

Then again, a lot of those schools are significantly further East than Mich.  Does this add a decent chunk of change to flight tickets, or no?  I'm not sure.

Just my 2 cents.

My numbers are 170/3.79.  Penn did just ask for my fall grades, though. 

While it would probably be more expensive to visit HY, the fact that I could fly into a major airport for the others pretty much makes the price difference negligible.

Major airport?  Were you trying to fly directly to Ann Arbor?  It's like twenty minutes from Detroit Metro Airport.

No, I was looking at prices to Detroit, which is certainly bigger, but I meant major along the lines of O'Hare or JFK.

I just looked, and Detroit is much bigger than I thought, but the tickets don't really reflect that.  I guess there's not a lot of people going from Honolulu to Detroit.

Someone else (or was it you?) suggested flying in to Chicago and driving up from there.  It's a straight shot up I-94, and realistically should only take about 3.5 hours.  I don't know if you would save enough money on the flight to make the car worthwhile, but it's possible. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 06:01:38 AM
FYI: the CCHA (hockey) quarterfinals will be the Friday of the first Preview Weekend.  So long as we don't completely crap the bed, that game should be played here and would be an AWESOME way to spend the 7-10pm portion of your night.  I did this last year, got to experience Yost Arena (which is an absurd amount of fun), and then met up with everybody at the bar night later on.

Also, it will be awkward explaining to everybody else how you all know each other and why you're already sitting around screwing off and laughing.  No big deal, obviously, but it was kind of interesting to balance being weird and deliberately evasive or just unabashedly weird and internet-y.  Regardless, having the LSD crew around for the weekend was a large part of what made it such a great time.  So, join the facebook group, put up self-'tars, etc. and don't be shy when you show up and can no longer type at people. 

I would love to sign up for the Facebook group, but I don't want to pay my seat deposit yet.  I still need to haggle over aid. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 16, 2008, 07:19:36 AM

I would love to sign up for the Facebook group, but I don't want to pay my seat deposit yet.  I still need to haggle over aid. 

Ditto.  I came across a thread from last year where A LOT of people were dissatisfied with their financial aid.  It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I looked on the Fin Aid website the other day and saw the budget for summer starters is $82,000 for the year.  That scared the hell out of me.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 08:11:45 AM
Does anyone (especially the married people) have any idea about health insurance options?  My wife doesn't get it through work, so we will have to pay for it ourselves.  Anyone know of a good plan?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 16, 2008, 08:19:14 AM
I know you can add a spouse on Chickering, the plan offered through the school, but I don't know what it costs.  My husband is on his work's.  If you poke around the website, you can find the info.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 16, 2008, 08:31:40 AM
Does anyone (especially the married people) have any idea about health insurance options?  My wife doesn't get it through work, so we will have to pay for it ourselves.  Anyone know of a good plan?

Chickering is a terrible value, so it's worth doing some research (try insurance.com).  I'm stuck with Chickering, but I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 16, 2008, 08:37:14 AM
I did a lot of research and actually thought Chickering was the best choice for a woman because of how maternity is included.  Whether or not you intend to get pregnant, it would SUCK to get pregnant by accident and not have maternity coverage.

For a man, I could see other choices being better.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on January 16, 2008, 09:17:22 AM
I did a lot of research and actually thought Chickering was the best choice for a woman because of how maternity is included.  Whether or not you intend to get pregnant, it would SUCK to get pregnant by accident and not have maternity coverage.

For a man, I could see other choices being better.

I've been doing a lot of research on individual health care plans now that I'm out of school and I must say this is the only policy I have encountered that covers "voluntary termination of pregnancy expenses" as a maternity benefit. I suppose this depends on your politics, but as a woman, I think it would be nice to know that either decision would be covered by your insurance.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on January 16, 2008, 09:34:48 AM
I did a lot of research and actually thought Chickering was the best choice for a woman because of how maternity is included.  Whether or not you intend to get pregnant, it would SUCK to get pregnant by accident and not have maternity coverage.

For a man, I could see other choices being better.

I've been doing a lot of research on individual health care plans now that I'm out of school and I must say this is the only policy I have encountered that covers "voluntary termination of pregnancy expenses" as a maternity benefit. I suppose this depends on your politics, but as a woman, I think it would be nice to know that either decision would be covered by your insurance.

Haha isn't calling that a "maternity benefit" a bit of a misnomer?

Technically, yes. Perhaps a more apt category name would be "Maternity Benefits and Benefits To Ensure Maternity Benefits Will Not Be Necessary". A little wordy though...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 10:24:09 AM
From looking at the Chickering info earlier, it appeared that for me it would be (roughly) $2,500, and with my wife it would be $8,000.  If we have a baby, it jacks up to between $11-12,000. 

Yes, you guessed it--I am starting to freak out about how I am going to finance all of this. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 10:35:17 AM
From looking at the Chickering info earlier, it appeared that for me it would be (roughly) $2,500, and with my wife it would be $8,000.  If we have a baby, it jacks up to between $11-12,000. 

Yes, you guessed it--I am starting to freak out about how I am going to finance all of this. 

credit cards ftw!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 16, 2008, 10:38:26 AM
From looking at the Chickering info earlier, it appeared that for me it would be (roughly) $2,500, and with my wife it would be $8,000.  If we have a baby, it jacks up to between $11-12,000. 

Yes, you guessed it--I am starting to freak out about how I am going to finance all of this. 

I thought I read you can ask for an increase in your student budget for insurance if it is truly needed.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 01:36:16 PM
I just got the summer start info letter.

I guess we're doing torts and contracts. Exciting!

What's kind of neat is one of the profs does IP and antitrust and is one that I wrote about in my 'Why Michigan' essay.

Cool!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 16, 2008, 01:52:08 PM
who are your K's and Torts professors?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 01:55:13 PM
Torts - Prof. Sherman Clark
Contracts - Prof. Omri Ben-Shalar.


Comments?  Suggestions?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 16, 2008, 01:58:31 PM
It was the same for this years Summer Starters.  I'm sure they will have both (comments & suggestions, that is).  MNOP also had Clark in the fall.  But I'm of no help.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 02:01:27 PM
what's MNOP?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 16, 2008, 02:09:49 PM
I just got the summer start info letter.

I guess we're doing torts and contracts. Exciting!

What's kind of neat is one of the profs does IP and antitrust and is one that I wrote about in my 'Why Michigan' essay.

Cool!

I wonder if you only get this if you sent your deposit.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
Section.  ABCD, EFGH, IJKL, MNOP. 

I can't remember all of the nicknames (that a grad told me), but I do remember "Every Frikkin' Gunner Here." 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 02:13:26 PM
I just got the summer start info letter.

I guess we're doing torts and contracts. Exciting!

What's kind of neat is one of the profs does IP and antitrust and is one that I wrote about in my 'Why Michigan' essay.

Cool!

I wonder if you only get this if you sent your deposit.

No--I got mine yesterday.  You can read a copy of it on the admitted students webpage.  Click on the "Mail and Money" tab, and if they sent you the "Summer Fun" mailing you can click on the name and read the pdf. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 16, 2008, 02:13:53 PM
what's MNOP?

Only the Best Section Ever.

(Year after year, a disproportionately high number of the chill, brainy, supercool people get sorted into MNOP.  True story.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 02:14:50 PM
if that's the case...then curve-wise MNOP was probably the least desirable section to be in no?



anecdotally speaking....anybody have any ideas on the summer/regular start gunner ratio?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 16, 2008, 02:16:18 PM
The gunners are mostly in EFGH.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 02:18:59 PM
Like I said, Every Frikkin' Gunner is in EFGH.  Sheesh.

Seriously, my friend was trying to tell me that everyone in summer is a gunner (since we are all in such a hurry to get started), but that's obviously not the case.  There are many summer starters here at the firm, and they all said that summer starters are invariably geniuses (as well as wonderful people). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 02:27:32 PM
you're at a firm heavily populated with Michiganners?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 16, 2008, 02:33:58 PM
they all said that summer starters are invariably geniuses

If this is true, then I am screwed.  I wonder if it's too late to switch to Fall.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 16, 2008, 03:03:37 PM
No, only GH are gunners.  Trust me.  There is a serious divide.

And ABCD seem to be more social and less studious.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 16, 2008, 03:04:10 PM
what's MNOP?

Only the Best Section Ever.

(Year after year, a disproportionately high number of the chill, brainy, supercool people get sorted into MNOP.  True story.)

Seconded.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 16, 2008, 03:07:26 PM
Like I said, Every Frikkin' Gunner is in EFGH.  Sheesh.

Seriously, my friend was trying to tell me that everyone in summer is a gunner (since we are all in such a hurry to get started), but that's obviously not the case.  There are many summer starters here at the firm, and they all said that summer starters are invariably geniuses (as well as wonderful people). 

This is assuredly not true. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 16, 2008, 03:42:20 PM
Is ABCD the summer section?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 03:54:34 PM
you're at a firm heavily populated with Michiganners?

Yeah--I think nearly half of the attorneys in the firm are Michigan grads.  (The paranoid side of me is afraid that I am totally revealing myself.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 16, 2008, 03:57:46 PM
Is ABCD the summer section?

yuppers.
[(The paranoid side of me is afraid that I am totally revealing myself.)

Embrace it - I realized a while ago that I was totally, thoroughly outed.  Can't tell you how many times strangers have approached me IRL saying, "Jolie!"
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 16, 2008, 03:58:51 PM
Two things:

ONE How do you get your log-in information for the admitted-students site?

And TWO we should really setup facebook groups for people attending the ASW. I mean, we're going to see each other there anyway. A facebook group would be a very organized way to handle this instead of having ASW stuff scattered throughout 100 pages of a Michigan thread...

Maybe we should just have an admitted students facebook group in general, w/ ASWs as their own sub-threads.

Any thoughts?

I'm starting to get really psyched out about Michigan. I hope Cornell rejects me so I don't have to make a decision between the two :P Ann Arbor seems like a great place and Michigan was recently a #4 ranked school-- can't f-ing beat that!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 16, 2008, 04:03:07 PM
I'm starting to get really psyched out about Michigan. I hope Cornell rejects me so I don't have to make a decision between the two :P Ann Arbor seems like a great place and Michigan was recently a #4 ranked school-- can't f-ing beat that!!

Michigan is cooler.  Ask 'possum.   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Two things:

ONE How do you get your log-in information for the admitted-students site?

And TWO we should really setup facebook groups for people attending the ASW. I mean, we're going to see each other there anyway. A facebook group would be a very organized way to handle this instead of having ASW stuff scattered throughout 100 pages of a Michigan thread...

Maybe we should just have an admitted students facebook group in general, w/ ASWs as their own sub-threads.

Any thoughts?

I'm starting to get really psyched out about Michigan. I hope Cornell rejects me so I don't have to make a decision between the two :P Ann Arbor seems like a great place and Michigan was recently a #4 ranked school-- can't f-ing beat that!!

Your log-in info is included with the acceptance package. 

I think there is already a facebook group, but you have to pay your seat deposit and get your UMich e-mail account before you can join. 

You really need to get your head straight.  Forget Cornell!  Once you come for the visit, you are going to be totally hooked.  Michigan's degree probably travels better than Cornell's anyway. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 16, 2008, 04:09:35 PM
Michigan >>>>>>>>>> Cornell  :)

Sweet! I'm glad to be in the more social, less studious section
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 16, 2008, 04:11:22 PM
I'm going to be outed pretty damn quickly. You guys will know who I am right away when I introduce myself to you at ASW.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 16, 2008, 04:15:17 PM
Oh, the info was on that cursed bookmark. I thought it was just a bookmark.

Just a question... how broke is everyone? I have absolutely no money from myself or my family that I can use towards law school. Hopefully need aid will help a bit. But are any of you genuinely worried about money? Everything I've ever heard is that we'll be taken care of, but I just find it so hard to believe considering the costs! Are banks like "well, its freaking Michigan Law, of course we'll get our loans repaid!" and thats why its so easy to get financed? Or what?

Also, are any of you thinking about staying at the Lawyer's Club? It looks beautiful...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 16, 2008, 04:15:49 PM

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Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 16, 2008, 04:16:51 PM
Oh, and the Facebook idea was more for LSD users, not for general admits. Therefore we would have to create it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 16, 2008, 04:19:28 PM
LC does look nice, but I'm opting for my own housing. I can't really bear the idea of sharing bathrooms with an entire floor or not having a kitchen to cook in. Plus, I'm bringing my cat so that kinda kills the idea.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 04:31:23 PM
Oh, the info was on that cursed bookmark. I thought it was just a bookmark.

Just a question... how broke is everyone? I have absolutely no money from myself or my family that I can use towards law school. Hopefully need aid will help a bit. But are any of you genuinely worried about money? Everything I've ever heard is that we'll be taken care of, but I just find it so hard to believe considering the costs! Are banks like "well, its freaking Michigan Law, of course we'll get our loans repaid!" and thats why its so easy to get financed? Or what?

Also, are any of you thinking about staying at the Lawyer's Club? It looks beautiful...

I'm terrified about money, but hopefully it will all work out.  It's not a matter of if I can finance it--I just worry that I'll be in my fifties paying it off!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 16, 2008, 04:51:38 PM
Oh, and the Facebook idea was more for LSD users, not for general admits. Therefore we would have to create it.

If you want something just for lsd users, you could just create a thread here.  That's what we did last year. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 05:16:54 PM
so I was actually choosing between cornell and UM last year (I deferred). 

One piece of advice I got was from a person who had graduated Cornell law a couple years earlier.  She said that she kind of wished she had gone to UM (she had been admitted).  The reason she had gone to Cornell was because of the small class size.  The problem is that since not all faculty teach, the student/prof ratio isn't noticeably smaller than at other schools.

The other problem is due to the small class size, there are a few disadvantages as far as resources go.  By that I mean courses and clinics and the like. 

Anyway, that's just what she told me.  But overall, she did like her time at Cornell.  She said if she had it to do it over again, she would have gone to UM. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 16, 2008, 05:30:24 PM
hail to the victors, valiant
hail to the conquering heros
hail hail to michigan
the leaders and the best

hail to the victors valiant
hail to the conquering heros
hail hail to michigan
the champions of the west!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 16, 2008, 05:34:02 PM
GO BLUE!

::pumps fist::
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 06:20:59 PM
Michigan is in the west?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 16, 2008, 06:22:51 PM
Michigan is in the west?

It used to be  :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 06:30:10 PM
For those traveling to the ASW with a guest, where will you be staying?  Does anyone have any ideas yet?  If we get rooms at the same place, we may be able to get discounts.  Even if we can't, we could still ride together from the hotel to the school to save on parking hassles. 

There are several hotels by I-94 and State Street and by US-23 and Washtenaw (both areas are only a few minutes from the law school by car). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 06:30:47 PM
Michigan is in the west?

My wife had the same question. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 16, 2008, 06:34:25 PM
For those traveling to the ASW with a guest, where will you be staying?  Does anyone have any ideas yet?  If we get rooms at the same place, we may be able to get discounts.  Even if we can't, we could still ride together from the hotel to the school to save on parking hassles. 

There are several hotels by I-94 and State Street and by US-23 and Washtenaw (both areas are only a few minutes from the law school by car). 

You're allowed to have a guest at the hotel, I think for an additional $20.  Once again, call the admissions office and they'll take care of it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 06:41:01 PM
For those traveling to the ASW with a guest, where will you be staying?  Does anyone have any ideas yet?  If we get rooms at the same place, we may be able to get discounts.  Even if we can't, we could still ride together from the hotel to the school to save on parking hassles. 

There are several hotels by I-94 and State Street and by US-23 and Washtenaw (both areas are only a few minutes from the law school by car). 

You're allowed to have a guest at the hotel, I think for an additional $20.  Once again, call the admissions office and they'll take care of it.

I was told that you can't have a guest, since they will be doubling people up in the rooms.  They said I had to find my own room, which really bummed me out.  I tried to get a room at the Campus Inn (so I could be in the same place with the other visitors), but it was $230 a night. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 16, 2008, 06:47:01 PM
For those traveling to the ASW with a guest, where will you be staying?  Does anyone have any ideas yet?  If we get rooms at the same place, we may be able to get discounts.  Even if we can't, we could still ride together from the hotel to the school to save on parking hassles. 

There are several hotels by I-94 and State Street and by US-23 and Washtenaw (both areas are only a few minutes from the law school by car). 

You're allowed to have a guest at the hotel, I think for an additional $20.  Once again, call the admissions office and they'll take care of it.

I was told that you can't have a guest, since they will be doubling people up in the rooms.  They said I had to find my own room, which really bummed me out.  I tried to get a room at the Campus Inn (so I could be in the same place with the other visitors), but it was $230 a night. 

I'll look into it and let you know what I find out!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 16, 2008, 06:54:13 PM
yes...from the looks of the letter from admissions, if you're bringing someone, you're on your own.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 16, 2008, 07:03:56 PM
Yeah, last year they made it sound like they might find accommodations for you with a guest, but when I tried, they told me the ASW was too full for that.  Maybe this year they're just going ahead and saying no.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 16, 2008, 07:05:39 PM
The Big Ten used to be called The West Conference.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 16, 2008, 07:07:47 PM
Yeah, last year they made it sound like they might find accommodations for you with a guest, but when I tried, they told me the ASW was too full for that.  Maybe this year they're just going ahead and saying no.

Where did you end up staying?  Were you happy there?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 16, 2008, 09:29:48 PM
How do you find out about merit-based scholarships? Did they send it w/ the admissions info or do they send it later? I honestly don't think I will get any, I just want to put my mind to rest "just in case."
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 16, 2008, 09:33:33 PM
Section.  ABCD, EFGH, IJKL, MNOP. 

I can't remember all of the nicknames (that a grad told me), but I do remember "Every Frikkin' Gunner Here." 
(Year after year, a disproportionately high number of the chill, brainy, supercool people get sorted into MNOP.  True story.)

must... resist... urge to make lame harry potter joke
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 16, 2008, 10:02:27 PM
How do you find out about merit-based scholarships? Did they send it w/ the admissions info or do they send it later? I honestly don't think I will get any, I just want to put my mind to rest "just in case."

They send most later.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 17, 2008, 04:23:31 AM
Yeah, last year they made it sound like they might find accommodations for you with a guest, but when I tried, they told me the ASW was too full for that.  Maybe this year they're just going ahead and saying no.

Where did you end up staying?  Were you happy there?

We just ended up finding something online out by the mall.  Sorry, but I don't remember which one it was... there are a bunch over there.  And, no, we weren't thrilled with it, but it was OK.

Shark Week:

ABCD- Slytherin
EFGH- Ravenclaw
IJKL- Hufflepuff
MNOP- Gryffindor
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 17, 2008, 07:36:22 AM
Yeah, last year they made it sound like they might find accommodations for you with a guest, but when I tried, they told me the ASW was too full for that.  Maybe this year they're just going ahead and saying no.

Where did you end up staying?  Were you happy there?

We just ended up finding something online out by the mall.  Sorry, but I don't remember which one it was... there are a bunch over there.  And, no, we weren't thrilled with it, but it was OK.

Shark Week:

ABCD- Slytherin
EFGH- Ravenclaw
IJKL- Hufflepuff
MNOP- Gryffindor

:D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 17, 2008, 07:45:29 AM
ABCD--represent!

(http://lexicon.ar-hp.com/images/wizards/voldemort-400px-lmr.jpg)

(I don't see the block M anywhere--he must be wearing Michigan underwear or something.)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on January 17, 2008, 07:51:05 AM
ABCD--represent!

(http://lexicon.ar-hp.com/images/wizards/voldemort-400px-lmr.jpg)

(I don't see the block M anywhere--he must be wearing Michigan underwear or something.)

Ahh crap.  Really???  Slytherin???
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on January 17, 2008, 08:00:14 AM
Do any current summer starters have any advice or info about Torts w/Clark and Contracts w/Ben-Shahar?  Now that us summer starters know our classes it seems a lot closer to May!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 17, 2008, 08:51:13 AM
How does the class selection actually differ between summer start and fall?

From what I read there are 6 required class and Legal Practice (I,II).

Summer starters take 2 of the 6 and Legal Practice I in the summer.  Do we then take 3 in the fall and Legal Practice II?  What happens in the Spring?  1 required courses and all electives?

What about fall starters? 3 required in the fall and Legal Practice I? 3 required in spring, Legal Practice II, and an elective?

Also, I saw Legal Practice I and II on the UMich website along with another class called Legal Practice Skills.  Is that a separate class, and when do you take it?

TYIA for anyone that can help.

Do any current summer starters have any advice or info about Torts w/Clark and Contracts w/Ben-Shahar?  Now that us summer starters know our classes it seems a lot closer to May!

I'm excited.  I was reading the bios of the two professors and was really, really impressed.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on January 17, 2008, 08:57:39 AM
How does the class selection actually differ between summer start and fall?

From what I read there are 6 required class and Legal Practice (I,II).

Summer starters take 2 of the 6 and Legal Practice I in the summer.  Do we then take 3 in the fall and Legal Practice II?  What happens in the Spring?  1 required courses and all electives?

What about fall starters? 3 required in the fall and Legal Practice I? 3 required in spring, Legal Practice II, and an elective?

Also, I saw Legal Practice I and II on the UMich website along with another class called Legal Practice Skills.  Is that a separate class, and when do you take it?

TYIA for anyone that can help.

Do any current summer starters have any advice or info about Torts w/Clark and Contracts w/Ben-Shahar?  Now that us summer starters know our classes it seems a lot closer to May!

I'm excited.  I was reading the bios of the two professors and was really, really impressed.

Don't know the answers to those questions (but I'm interested in the answers).  I'm excited too.  I spoke w/Prof. Clark at last years ASW faculty reception and he also did the mock class.  Seems like a really good prof.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 17, 2008, 09:07:25 AM
How does the class selection actually differ between summer start and fall?

From what I read there are 6 required class and Legal Practice (I,II).

Summer starters take 2 of the 6 and Legal Practice I in the summer.  Do we then take 3 in the fall and Legal Practice II?  What happens in the Spring?  1 required courses and all electives?

What about fall starters? 3 required in the fall and Legal Practice I? 3 required in spring, Legal Practice II, and an elective?


Also, I saw Legal Practice I and II on the UMich website along with another class called Legal Practice Skills.  Is that a separate class, and when do you take it?

TYIA for anyone that can help.

Do any current summer starters have any advice or info about Torts w/Clark and Contracts w/Ben-Shahar?  Now that us summer starters know our classes it seems a lot closer to May!

I'm excited.  I was reading the bios of the two professors and was really, really impressed.

The bolded is exactly what happens.  Neither SS nor FS have a choice in what core classes they take when or what professors they have.

Legal Practice Skills is the same as Legal Practice 1.  They aren't separate in any way, so I don't why they list them as a separate class.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 17, 2008, 09:09:46 AM
I feel like I'm missing out-- I didn't even know about summer start. Man that'd be nice though-- get everything situated so early. Sigh.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 17, 2008, 09:48:56 AM
I feel like I'm missing out-- I didn't even know about summer start. Man that'd be nice though-- get everything situated so early. Sigh.

If you're interested, you should give them a call.  I know it fills up quickly.

The bolded is exactly what happens.  Neither SS nor FS have a choice in what core classes they take when or what professors they have.

Legal Practice Skills is the same as Legal Practice 1.  They aren't separate in any way, so I don't why they list them as a separate class.

TY.  I can't believe after one year we'll basically be half-way done.  Wow.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 17, 2008, 10:49:14 AM
Anyone have suggestions about supplements to use for Torts and Contracts?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 17, 2008, 01:51:51 PM
Joyce, I'll give you some suggestions this summer, but NOT YET!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 17, 2008, 02:18:22 PM
Anyone have suggestions about supplements to use for Torts and Contracts?

Woah woah woah, Joyce.  That will NOT be tolerated in JANUARY before your first year.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 17, 2008, 02:38:11 PM
I feel like I'm missing out-- I didn't even know about summer start. Man that'd be nice though-- get everything situated so early. Sigh.

Summer start costs like 30k more than fall start, so it's probably not for everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 17, 2008, 02:46:25 PM
Do any current summer starters have any advice or info about Torts w/Clark and Contracts w/Ben-Shahar?  Now that us summer starters know our classes it seems a lot closer to May!


I've got some useful stuff for you, but on principle I feel like I shouldn't be sending you outlines/notes until it warms up a little bit. 

My main advice, after consultation with many summer starters, is to enjoy your free time.  You will have lots of it, so enjoy the more relaxed pace of the summer.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rtqw on January 17, 2008, 03:03:44 PM
I feel like I'm missing out-- I didn't even know about summer start. Man that'd be nice though-- get everything situated so early. Sigh.

Summer start costs like 30k more than fall start, so it's probably not for everyone.

Well, summer starters can graduate a semester early (and my impression is that most do) - so you're still paying for six semesters either way, although summer starters are paying half of the total cost in the first year.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 17, 2008, 04:01:30 PM
Are any of you guys who are going to Michigan in 2011 *sure* that you're going to Michigan, despite who else might accept you? I'm curious. I'm so in love with it I'm tempted to withdraw everywhere else. My biggest concern is (1) if Cornell accepts me I don't know what to do, and (2) I want to keep a lower-cost school option.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 17, 2008, 04:38:17 PM
Summer start costs like 30k more than fall start, so it's probably not for everyone.


Is the summer start  more expensive?  Tricky little fact: the summer start is actually slightly less expensive.  True, your financial aid information shows the cost of your first three semesters all at once, which is a little terrifying.  But once you revive, consider this: your first semester is at the previous year’s tuition rate because the University doesn’t switch rates until July–and then you only have one semester at the third-year rate which, since tuition always increases, is always the most expensive.

I troll for Summer start too.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 17, 2008, 04:41:59 PM
Are any of you guys who are going to Michigan in 2011 *sure* that you're going to Michigan, despite who else might accept you? I'm curious. I'm so in love with it I'm tempted to withdraw everywhere else. My biggest concern is (1) if Cornell accepts me I don't know what to do, and (2) I want to keep a lower-cost school option.

It's really down to Michigan and 1 other school for me.  I'll probably get rejected/deferred/waitlisted at the other school, so I'm pretty sure I'll be at Michigan.

Why do you like Cornell so much?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on January 17, 2008, 04:46:08 PM
Do any current summer starters have any advice or info about Torts w/Clark and Contracts w/Ben-Shahar?  Now that us summer starters know our classes it seems a lot closer to May!


I've got some useful stuff for you, but on principle I feel like I shouldn't be sending you outlines/notes until it warms up a little bit. 

My main advice, after consultation with many summer starters, is to enjoy your free time.  You will have lots of it, so enjoy the more relaxed pace of the summer.


Thanks.  I didn't really plan on looking at outlines or anything yet (not that gunnerish). I was just looking for more anecdotal stuff.  But once it gets closer to summer I'll definitely take you up on notes/outlines.   

What are the other summer starters doing about housing (both in the summer and fall/winter)?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 17, 2008, 04:48:07 PM
Summer start costs like 30k more than fall start, so it's probably not for everyone.


Is the summer start  more expensive?  Tricky little fact: the summer start is actually slightly less expensive.  True, your financial aid information shows the cost of your first three semesters all at once, which is a little terrifying.  But once you revive, consider this: your first semester is at the previous year’s tuition rate because the University doesn’t switch rates until July–and then you only have one semester at the third-year rate which, since tuition always increases, is always the most expensive.

I troll for Summer start too.  ;D

For me personally, coming up with tuition spread evenly each year over 3 years would be way, way easier than coming up with 70k or whatever it is in my first year. But yeah, summer start is probably well worth it if you can afford it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 17, 2008, 04:49:02 PM
What weekend is the first ASW?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on January 17, 2008, 04:53:32 PM
What weekend is the first ASW?

March 13-15. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 17, 2008, 04:54:05 PM
For me personally, coming up with tuition spread evenly each year over 3 years would be way, way easier than coming up with 70k or whatever it is in my first year. But yeah, summer start is probably well worth it if you can afford it.

Aren't you getting a Darrow?  ???

I don't think this is going to be a problem for you, mi amigo
What are the other summer starters doing about housing (both in the summer and fall/winter)?

I'll probably pick up a sublease for Summer, and I really want to do the Lawyer's Club for fall, but I have my reservations.

What weekend is the first ASW?
.

March 13-15.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: deathcabfan on January 17, 2008, 05:02:28 PM
For me personally, coming up with tuition spread evenly each year over 3 years would be way, way easier than coming up with 70k or whatever it is in my first year. But yeah, summer start is probably well worth it if you can afford it.

Aren't you getting a Darrow?  ???

I don't think this is going to be a problem for you, mi amigo
What are the other summer starters doing about housing (both in the summer and fall/winter)?

I'll probably pick up a sublease for Summer, and I really want to do the Lawyer's Club for fall, but I have my reservations.


Also, if you're a summer starter they adjust your financial aid package accordingly to accommodate for the first year. 

I'll probably do the lawyers club too.  Ideally I would like to rent but I'm not sure if I want to deal with the hassles that come with that.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 17, 2008, 06:24:18 PM
I will have a beautiful 2 bedroom (pet-friendly) house available for summer sublet.  jsia.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 17, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
Yeah, last year they made it sound like they might find accommodations for you with a guest, but when I tried, they told me the ASW was too full for that.  Maybe this year they're just going ahead and saying no.

Where did you end up staying?  Were you happy there?

We just ended up finding something online out by the mall.  Sorry, but I don't remember which one it was... there are a bunch over there.  And, no, we weren't thrilled with it, but it was OK.

Shark Week:

ABCD- Slytherin
EFGH- Ravenclaw
IJKL- Hufflepuff
MNOP- Gryffindor

:D

Lol actually this assessment seems kind of true :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 17, 2008, 06:31:33 PM
Actually, G and H should be grouped w/ ABCD as Slytherin :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rtqw on January 17, 2008, 06:34:03 PM
Actually, G and H should be grouped w/ ABCD as Slytherin :P

:(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 17, 2008, 06:42:36 PM
Actually, G and H should be grouped w/ ABCD as Slytherin :P

:(

with exceptions, of course!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 17, 2008, 06:50:05 PM
of all the schools to troll for as a good reason to not go to Mich, you came up with CORNELL?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 17, 2008, 06:56:45 PM
Yeah, last year they made it sound like they might find accommodations for you with a guest, but when I tried, they told me the ASW was too full for that.  Maybe this year they're just going ahead and saying no.

Where did you end up staying?  Were you happy there?

We just ended up finding something online out by the mall.  Sorry, but I don't remember which one it was... there are a bunch over there.  And, no, we weren't thrilled with it, but it was OK.

Shark Week:

ABCD- Slytherin
EFGH- Ravenclaw
IJKL- Hufflepuff
MNOP- Gryffindor

:D

Lol actually this assessment seems kind of true :P

Well, it could be that you and I came up with it together.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 18, 2008, 10:14:17 AM
we did? lol, that must have been during the fuzzy time period in my life that I refer to as "the lost month," aka studying for finals...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 18, 2008, 01:31:09 PM
This goes back a few pages so I don't want to find it to quote, but...

I called the admissions office today about getting a hotel room for Wednesday.  They are going to try to get me in (even the same hotel and room as the rest of the weekend!) and I should know by next week.  It was my first time calling the office and I got to experience their friendliness that everyone talks about  :)

Also, I got an e-mail from a prof today who teaches/researches in one of my favorite fields.  Oh, how I <3 Michigan...

And joyce, if you're still coming in on Wednesday we should definitely meet up!  Maybe do a practice jog for Saturday?  :D


Michigan is just pure awesomeness.  I can't see myself not going there now.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: 10shot on January 18, 2008, 02:24:55 PM
Well, I did it.  I just reserved a place in the first admitted students preview.  I look forward to seeing a lot of you there and hope we set up some time to hang out.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 18, 2008, 02:47:36 PM
I don't think I can make it to an ASW, which is a shame because I'd like to meet most of you guys.

Did everyone get a faculty viewbook today?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 18, 2008, 03:09:32 PM
of all the schools to troll for as a good reason to not go to Mich, you came up with CORNELL?

Why is Michigan so much better than Cornell? I'm just curious b/c I might get in at Cornell and Michigan and would really have to think about which school to go to.

BTW, I'm going to sign up for the March 13 ASW in the next week or two, I think. I'm going to go by train. I hope we can get an LSD group hangout going on or something!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Dystopian Fiction on January 18, 2008, 04:03:39 PM
Go to Cornell, Tetris  :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 18, 2008, 04:04:04 PM
some of you better come to the 2nd asw  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 18, 2008, 05:27:40 PM
some of you better come to the 2nd asw  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I was going to go to the the 2nd ASW but everyone else is going to the first, so I'm biting the bullet and going into super-plan mode.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 18, 2008, 05:30:57 PM
Tetris, here's a copy and paste of what I wrote earlier in case you missed it.

so I was actually choosing between cornell and UM last year (I deferred). 

One piece of advice I got was from a person who had graduated Cornell law a couple years earlier.  She said that she kind of wished she had gone to UM (she had been admitted).  The reason she had gone to Cornell was because of the small class size.  The problem is that since not all faculty teach, the student/prof ratio isn't noticeably smaller than at other schools.

The other problem is due to the small class size, there are a few disadvantages as far as resources go.  By that I mean courses and clinics and the like. 

Anyway, that's just what she told me.  But overall, she did like her time at Cornell.  She said if she had it to do it over again, she would have gone to UM. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 18, 2008, 05:33:28 PM
Tetris, here's a copy and paste of what I wrote earlier in case you missed it.

so I was actually choosing between cornell and UM last year (I deferred). 

One piece of advice I got was from a person who had graduated Cornell law a couple years earlier.  She said that she kind of wished she had gone to UM (she had been admitted).  The reason she had gone to Cornell was because of the small class size.  The problem is that since not all faculty teach, the student/prof ratio isn't noticeably smaller than at other schools.

The other problem is due to the small class size, there are a few disadvantages as far as resources go.  By that I mean courses and clinics and the like. 

Anyway, that's just what she told me.  But overall, she did like her time at Cornell.  She said if she had it to do it over again, she would have gone to UM. 

Yeah, I did see that post. Very insightful-- especially because the class size was one benefit to Cornell. Another reason class size is nice is because you get to know your classmates better.

Other advantages to Cornell are: New York is cooler than Michigan and Cornell is "Ivy League" which carries a lot of sway w/ the layfolk. Also I told Cornell they were my "top choice" at the time and I would feel like a slut if I turned them down. But, I wasn't lying, they were my top choice at the time. It just so happens that I met someone else...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 18, 2008, 05:37:49 PM
new york CITY is cooler than michigan, yes.... not so much ithaca.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 18, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
If we're going solely off reputation, wouldn't prestige among recruiters be more important than prestige among layfolk?

Gpbne: Yes let's definitely meet up if I do get in on Wednesday. Following your lead, I'm going to call the admissions office too and see if I can hotel arrangements for that night. I'll be very happy if I don't have to plunk down over $80 to stay at another hotel.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 18, 2008, 06:29:38 PM
Tetris, here's a copy and paste of what I wrote earlier in case you missed it.

so I was actually choosing between cornell and UM last year (I deferred). 

One piece of advice I got was from a person who had graduated Cornell law a couple years earlier.  She said that she kind of wished she had gone to UM (she had been admitted).  The reason she had gone to Cornell was because of the small class size.  The problem is that since not all faculty teach, the student/prof ratio isn't noticeably smaller than at other schools.

The other problem is due to the small class size, there are a few disadvantages as far as resources go.  By that I mean courses and clinics and the like. 

Anyway, that's just what she told me.  But overall, she did like her time at Cornell.  She said if she had it to do it over again, she would have gone to UM. 

Yeah, I did see that post. Very insightful-- especially because the class size was one benefit to Cornell. Another reason class size is nice is because you get to know your classmates better.

Other advantages to Cornell are: New York is cooler than Michigan and Cornell is "Ivy League" which carries a lot of sway w/ the layfolk. Also I told Cornell they were my "top choice" at the time and I would feel like a slut if I turned them down. But, I wasn't lying, they were my top choice at the time. It just so happens that I met someone else...

Let me tell you, Michigan does NOT feel like a large law school.  There's a reason law school has the reputation of being like high school.  There is no problem getting to know your classmates.  Biblically, even.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 18, 2008, 06:32:01 PM
There's a reason law school has the reputation of being like high school.

every time i hear this i die a little
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 18, 2008, 07:05:07 PM
The Paper Chase is on PBS right now.  He just broke into the Red Set to look at Kingsfield's notes. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 18, 2008, 07:40:58 PM
new york CITY is cooler than michigan, yes.... not so much ithaca.

Okay, New York the state is cooler than Michigan the state.

That said, Ann Arbor seems way cooler than Ithaca.

If we're going solely off reputation, wouldn't prestige among recruiters be more important than prestige among layfolk?

Gpbne: Yes let's definitely meet up if I do get in on Wednesday. Following your lead, I'm going to call the admissions office too and see if I can hotel arrangements for that night. I'll be very happy if I don't have to plunk down over $80 to stay at another hotel.

Granted on the recruiter thing. Still, there is at least some advantage (pride? bragging rights?) but yes. Recruiter > layman.

What's the deal w/ hotels-- do you think you can get the $20 for Wednesday night? That would rock... How are you guys getting to the ASW? I'm thinking about going train. Cheaper than airplane.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 18, 2008, 10:04:31 PM
How are you guys getting to the ASW? I'm thinking about going train. Cheaper than airplane.

I"m a little too far to take the train. :-\ Definitely flying.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 19, 2008, 01:39:22 AM
some of you better come to the 2nd asw  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I'll be there  :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 19, 2008, 02:51:22 AM
That would rock... How are you guys getting to the ASW? I'm thinking about going train. Cheaper than airplane.

I wish there was a train that went across the Pacific Ocean.  :-\

That being said, I also wish all the schools I haven't heard from would send me the inevitable denials so I can get back to my Michigan excitement and start planning.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rsr28 on January 19, 2008, 07:02:46 AM
Could someone re-post the dates of the ASW's?  Also, what is the decision deadline date for summer starters?  I'm fairly sure I'm a Virginia man at this point but anything is possible.  However, I have all my law school acceptance stuff in a big box that I dread digging through.  If anyone has these dates handy I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 19, 2008, 07:48:56 AM
So I'm like 70% sure I want to go to Michigan, even if Columbia and Cornell accept me. I wanted to go to a bit liberal public school in a big city on the coast. The only thing Michigan doesn't have is the "coast" (but it is by a Great Lake... so that's close, right?).

Do any of you guys play an instrument? I think it'd be cool to have like a "band" evening where we can jam out every week during law school.

And does anyone planning on going to Michigan play D&D? I would like to keep my involvement in the game alive.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 19, 2008, 07:50:15 AM
There is a law school band: TJ Hooper and the Learned Hands.  This time next year, you will get the joke.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: 10shot on January 19, 2008, 07:59:12 AM

Do any of you guys play an instrument? I think it'd be cool to have like a "band" evening where we can jam out every week during law school.

And does anyone planning on going to Michigan play D&D? I would like to keep my involvement in the game alive.
Ok, I knew I liked people on here.  I play guitar and would love to get together and play with others.  Also, I haven't played much D&D in a while (and with the risk of outing myself as a nerd) I would be willing to pick it up more if there was a good group.

I had a real question though...  I was just wondering how the grading system works (is it +/-) and if there are any classes that are not graded first semester (I think someone mentioned that legal writing isn't.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 19, 2008, 08:04:58 AM

Do any of you guys play an instrument? I think it'd be cool to have like a "band" evening where we can jam out every week during law school.

And does anyone planning on going to Michigan play D&D? I would like to keep my involvement in the game alive.
Ok, I knew I liked people on here.  I play guitar and would love to get together and play with others.  Also, I haven't played much D&D in a while (and with the risk of outing myself as a nerd) I would be willing to pick it up more if there was a good group.

I had a real question though...  I was just wondering how the grading system works (is it +/-) and if there are any classes that are not graded first semester (I think someone mentioned that legal writing isn't.

http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/registration/Pages/gradingguidelines.aspx

Legal Writing is pass/fail, but everything else is graded during 1L. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 19, 2008, 08:19:55 AM

Do any of you guys play an instrument? I think it'd be cool to have like a "band" evening where we can jam out every week during law school.

And does anyone planning on going to Michigan play D&D? I would like to keep my involvement in the game alive.
Ok, I knew I liked people on here.  I play guitar and would love to get together and play with others.  Also, I haven't played much D&D in a while (and with the risk of outing myself as a nerd) I would be willing to pick it up more if there was a good group.

Its not nerdy-- it just shows we have an imagination and it builds our critical thinking and social skills (ha ha).

But sweet... we'll have to look around for a group then. I definitely consider myself a cool D&D player. All the women around here are totally turned on that I'm the Dungeon Master.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 19, 2008, 09:24:59 AM
At the risk of aging myself, I have been playing the bass for 25 years.  I hardly ever get to play now, since I have been taking such a full load, but I'm sure it wouldn't take long to build up the callouses again.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on January 19, 2008, 03:10:18 PM
How are current 1Ls faring with 1L Biglaw summer associate job search?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 19, 2008, 03:11:09 PM
How are current 1Ls faring with 1L Biglaw summer associate job search?

I know a few people who have had callbacks, some of whom are LSDers.  They may chime in.

Ask me again in two weeks or so.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 19, 2008, 04:59:31 PM
How are current 1Ls faring with 1L Biglaw summer associate job search?


Its hard to gauge.  A lot of us sent out massive mail merges and then realized we had no interest in firms for this summer and are pursuing other options.  A lot of firms also requested grades and Michigan must be one of the last schools to give students their grades, so many people who are interested in firms are sort of in "sit-and-wait" mode.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on January 19, 2008, 08:23:35 PM
I see.

There seems to be a lot of bashing here and on TLS about Mich's biglaw placement? Any truth to that? I'm hearing that Duke is better, but I just can't believe it, and don't want to be in Durham.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Mickey Ward on January 19, 2008, 08:38:08 PM


Let me tell you, Michigan does NOT feel like a large law school.  There's a reason law school has the reputation of being like high school.  There is no problem getting to know your classmates.  Biblically, even.

He denies it, but Hollowman drives the law school ladies wild. It's a fascinating spectacle.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 19, 2008, 09:18:20 PM
I see.

There seems to be a lot of bashing here and on TLS about Mich's biglaw placement? Any truth to that? I'm hearing that Duke is better, but I just can't believe it, and don't want to be in Durham.

For 1Ls or in general.  If the latter, I'd be extremely skeptical.  If the former, who knows?  I didn't apply to any firms for 1L. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 19, 2008, 09:42:44 PM
I see.

There seems to be a lot of bashing here and on TLS about Mich's biglaw placement? Any truth to that? I'm hearing that Duke is better, but I just can't believe it, and don't want to be in Durham.

really?  I haven't seen this anywhere.  What is this TLS of which you speak?   :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on January 19, 2008, 10:13:17 PM
That thread on Duke vs. Mich in choosing law schools.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 19, 2008, 10:48:42 PM
so i looked at that thread.

if you look at the percentage of people who went to V100 from 2006, yes duke is ahead. 

Berkeley is horrible!  about half of the rest of the T14. Does that mean Berkeley is utter crap?  No.   part of that is certainly because of location.  V100 firms are by and large in NYC. 

But then you look at metrics like this, http://law.fordham.edu/facts/wom-fact7.ihtml (http://law.fordham.edu/facts/wom-fact7.ihtml)and the picture is pretty different. Why?  I don't know.  I don't know how exactly the V100 is defined, while this list uses average partner compensation as the measure....and I don't know how valid that is either.

What you want to have ideally is a study of how difficult it is for a student of similar rank to get a job of a certain prestige.... or how deep into a class a given level of law firm is willing to get into.  From the lists available, when you try to take into account location and the desire of students to do one kind of law or another....well.... it's a mess.  I've seen a ton of lists like these.  They all give you slightly different ranks.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about one statistic like this. 
 
 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 20, 2008, 04:42:22 AM
Plus, these tend to be self-perpetuating.  If Duke places more people into biglaw and Michigan into academia, people interested in either will go to the respective school.  A much better, and harder to get, figure would be the percentage placed into biglaw out of those who tried to gain such placement.  I would think that Michigan would do quite well here.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 20, 2008, 05:16:34 AM
I'll add this, for 1L big law placement at michigan, who cares? You will be fine for 2L if that is what you want to do then. It is better to have a wide range of experiences anyhow, have fun with it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 20, 2008, 08:14:55 AM
How are current 1Ls faring with 1L Biglaw summer associate job search?

I know a few people who have had callbacks, some of whom are LSDers.  They may chime in.

Ask me again in two weeks or so.

I know people who have offers.  I've had a couple of interviews, as well as some "wait for grades" and lots of rejections.  :D  We'll see if any of those interviews are successful.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 20, 2008, 08:47:01 AM
I had some leads re: firm jobs but I don't think anything is going to pan out... I might be a bum and hang around Ann Arbor all summer... :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 20, 2008, 09:59:47 AM
As for the Biglaw thing, I'm not sure how helpful this is, but USNWR says, w/ 87% reporting their salaries, the 25th percentile starting salary was $125,000, same for the median and 75th percentile. That tells me that, at the very worst, 1/3rd of the class makes less than $125,000, and probably less than that.

Isn't $125,000 the Biglaw starting salary? So wouldn't that indicate that a sizable number of graduates are getting into Biglaw? Or am I mistaken?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 20, 2008, 11:34:32 AM
so i looked at that thread.

if you look at the percentage of people who went to V100 from 2006, yes duke is ahead. 

Berkeley is horrible!  about half of the rest of the T14. Does that mean Berkeley is utter crap?  No.  part of that is certainly because of location.  V100 firms are by and large in NYC. 

But then you look at metrics like this, http://law.fordham.edu/facts/wom-fact7.ihtml (http://law.fordham.edu/facts/wom-fact7.ihtml)and the picture is pretty different. Why?  I don't know.  I don't know how exactly the V100 is defined, while this list uses average partner compensation as the measure....and I don't know how valid that is either.

What you want to have ideally is a study of how difficult it is for a student of similar rank to get a job of a certain prestige.... or how deep into a class a given level of law firm is willing to get into.  From the lists available, when you try to take into account location and the desire of students to do one kind of law or another....well.... it's a mess.  I've seen a ton of lists like these.  They all give you slightly different ranks.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about one statistic like this. 
 
 

I think this is key.  Michigan grads tend to disperse everywhere (by choice!). instead of concentrating on NYC like some schools do.  I already know that I don't want to go to NYC.  Based on what I've seen, I think I'd prefer a smaller (midlaw) firm if I end up in a smaller market, rather than a satellite office of a big firm.  I'm pretty confident I could get Biglaw if I wanted to, but I'm not sure that I want it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: kirchner on January 20, 2008, 02:29:55 PM
some of you better come to the 2nd asw  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

I'll be at the second ASW.  The first ASW was scheduled poorly and conflicts with my annual Spring Training trip.  I'm also betting on the weather being a bit more springy in April.  I'm in Detroit, so anyone who is arriving for the April ASW early, let me know and maybe we can get a head start on Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 20, 2008, 04:21:06 PM
so i looked at that thread.

if you look at the percentage of people who went to V100 from 2006, yes duke is ahead. 

Berkeley is horrible!  about half of the rest of the T14. Does that mean Berkeley is utter crap?  No.  part of that is certainly because of location.  V100 firms are by and large in NYC. 

But then you look at metrics like this, http://law.fordham.edu/facts/wom-fact7.ihtml (http://law.fordham.edu/facts/wom-fact7.ihtml)and the picture is pretty different. Why?  I don't know.  I don't know how exactly the V100 is defined, while this list uses average partner compensation as the measure....and I don't know how valid that is either.

What you want to have ideally is a study of how difficult it is for a student of similar rank to get a job of a certain prestige.... or how deep into a class a given level of law firm is willing to get into.  From the lists available, when you try to take into account location and the desire of students to do one kind of law or another....well.... it's a mess.  I've seen a ton of lists like these.  They all give you slightly different ranks.

In any case, I wouldn't worry about one statistic like this. 
 
 

I think this is key.  Michigan grads tend to disperse everywhere (by choice!). instead of concentrating on NYC like some schools do.  I already know that I don't want to go to NYC.  Based on what I've seen, I think I'd prefer a smaller (midlaw) firm if I end up in a smaller market, rather than a satellite office of a big firm.  I'm pretty confident I could get Biglaw if I wanted to, but I'm not sure that I want it.

May I ask why?

Because in a satellite office you're likely to get satellite work (ie, more localized work, because the major offices will take the major work).  You're at a disadvantage when it comes time to consider partnership (not that I'm sure that's what I wanna do), since you probably won't know any of the decision makers.  They'll all be in the major offices and you may have met them once or twice, but they certainly won't be familiar with your work and may not be willing to go to bat for you.  Therefore, you'll probably have to do a lot more politicking, etc. 

Also, in most Biglaw firms you're not gonna get a lot of responsibility or interesting work initially, since you'll be at the bottom of the totem pole.  You might not even know the big picture of the stuff you're working on, since you only get to see the document you're reviewing, etc.  At smaller firms you hit the ground running, since it might just be you and a partner working on a matter.  You're learning curve will be a lot steeper, but you'll be able to take a major role in interesting matters without having to wait years to prove yourself.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 20, 2008, 08:14:00 PM
Pikey-- do you know much about midlaw? I'm totally clueless on this whole firm thing and would really appreciate any input you (or anyone else) can give.

What's the starting salary range for midlaw? Are the hours as grueling for midlaw versus biglaw? And, besides sheer size, what's the difference between midlaw and biglaw? Thanx!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 21, 2008, 12:38:54 PM
summer starters...is it crazy to anybody else that by the end of next spring we'll be HALF WAY through law school?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 21, 2008, 12:57:30 PM
Man. I haven't thought about it like that. I'm curious for summer starters, what are you planning to do with that extra time? Graduate early? Take a semester abroad? I'm thinking of the latter.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 21, 2008, 01:01:23 PM
summer starters...is it crazy to anybody else that by the end of next spring we'll be HALF WAY through law school?

Crazy?  Sort of.  Cool?  Hell yeah.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 21, 2008, 01:02:04 PM
Man. I haven't thought about it like that. I'm curious for summer starters, what are you planning to do with that extra time? Graduate early? Take a semester abroad? I'm thinking of the latter.

Definitely graduate early.  At my age, I need all the viable earning time I can get.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 21, 2008, 02:16:57 PM
Man. I haven't thought about it like that. I'm curious for summer starters, what are you planning to do with that extra time? Graduate early? Take a semester abroad? I'm thinking of the latter.

Definitely graduate early.  At my age, I need all the viable earning time I can get.

You can do a semester abroad for 3L anyway; that's my plan.  Plus, I'm sure you'll want to start work ASAP once you realize how much debt you're in.  For some reason that number never seemed real until I started getting loan statements...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 21, 2008, 02:19:54 PM
By the way, could one of the current students please tell me what the "Student Funded Fellowship Auction" at the ASW is? 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 21, 2008, 02:23:46 PM
it's a really good time, and a great chance to meet current students and professors

sff is an organization that raises money for 1Ls and 2Ls that want to work for public interest firms during the summer.  they get a bunch of stuff from professors, among others, to auction off.  things like dinner & hot tub party at a professors house for a group of students, or autographed books, or lunch with judge posner, stuff like that.

anyway, the auction is fun, it's a big goof, there are drinks, etc.  it's a fun social event, and it'd be fun to see.  you don't have to hang long -- we went out afterwards (we stayed for a few drinks and saw a bit of the auction, met some students, and went out to some other bars)... 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 21, 2008, 02:26:37 PM


Here's a link to SFF:  http://students.law.umich.edu/sff/auction.html
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 21, 2008, 02:27:46 PM
That does sound fun, and it also sounds like it's a good cause.  Thanks, GCoop. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 21, 2008, 02:41:19 PM
re: mid-sized firms/markets - I'm shooting for a mid-sized market, where the biggest firms are considered "mid-sized" by national standards (there are only a few firms that have 300 attorneys). I'm doing it because it's the geographic area that I want to be in, I love the particular city (and its size), It seems like there's more meaningful work for beginning associates, etc. The starting salary is $110-$130K but the COL more than makes up for the difference b/w that and what you would be paid in a larger city.

It's actually nice when you're planning on working in a place where not a lot of other people are going. Those firms are competing harder for fewer Michigan students, so they add a lot of personal touches (Over break, I had nice lunches w/ associates from 2 separate firms who weren't even hiring 1Ls but just wanted to chit chat and tell me about their firm and that they hoped I would consider it next fall during OCI). I don't think BIGLAW really does that, at least not that I've heard of.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 21, 2008, 03:06:34 PM
re: mid-sized firms/markets - I'm shooting for a mid-sized market, where the biggest firms are considered "mid-sized" by national standards (there are only a few firms that have 300 attorneys). I'm doing it because it's the geographic area that I want to be in, I love the particular city (and its size), It seems like there's more meaningful work for beginning associates, etc. The starting salary is $110-$130K but the COL more than makes up for the difference b/w that and what you would be paid in a larger city.

It's actually nice when you're planning on working in a place where not a lot of other people are going. Those firms are competing harder for fewer Michigan students, so they add a lot of personal touches (Over break, I had nice lunches w/ associates from 2 separate firms who weren't even hiring 1Ls but just wanted to chit chat and tell me about their firm and that they hoped I would consider it next fall during OCI). I don't think BIGLAW really does that, at least not that I've heard of.

Isn't $110k pretty much a biglaw salary? Sounds pretty sweet.

What mid-sized markets are you looking at? Personally I'm interested in taking my Michigan degree to the Pacific Northwest (Portland? Seattle maybe?) Those would probably be considered "mid-size," right? Plus there's no T14 on the west coast except Boalt, and no T30 in Oregon or Washington.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on January 21, 2008, 03:12:14 PM
Plus there's no T14 on the west coast except Boalt

Why does Stanny always get the shaft?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 21, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
re: mid-sized firms/markets - I'm shooting for a mid-sized market, where the biggest firms are considered "mid-sized" by national standards (there are only a few firms that have 300 attorneys). I'm doing it because it's the geographic area that I want to be in, I love the particular city (and its size), It seems like there's more meaningful work for beginning associates, etc. The starting salary is $110-$130K but the COL more than makes up for the difference b/w that and what you would be paid in a larger city.

It's actually nice when you're planning on working in a place where not a lot of other people are going. Those firms are competing harder for fewer Michigan students, so they add a lot of personal touches (Over break, I had nice lunches w/ associates from 2 separate firms who weren't even hiring 1Ls but just wanted to chit chat and tell me about their firm and that they hoped I would consider it next fall during OCI). I don't think BIGLAW really does that, at least not that I've heard of.

Isn't $110k pretty much a biglaw salary? Sounds pretty sweet.

What mid-sized markets are you looking at? Personally I'm interested in taking my Michigan degree to the Pacific Northwest (Portland? Seattle maybe?) Those would probably be considered "mid-size," right? Plus there's no T14 on the west coast except Boalt, and no T30 in Oregon or Washington.

No... try $160K... but $110-$130K is still pretty good esp when you can get a REALLY nice and decent sized apt w/in walking distance to work for $1K per month.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 21, 2008, 03:30:20 PM
re: mid-sized firms/markets - I'm shooting for a mid-sized market, where the biggest firms are considered "mid-sized" by national standards (there are only a few firms that have 300 attorneys). I'm doing it because it's the geographic area that I want to be in, I love the particular city (and its size), It seems like there's more meaningful work for beginning associates, etc. The starting salary is $110-$130K but the COL more than makes up for the difference b/w that and what you would be paid in a larger city.

It's actually nice when you're planning on working in a place where not a lot of other people are going. Those firms are competing harder for fewer Michigan students, so they add a lot of personal touches (Over break, I had nice lunches w/ associates from 2 separate firms who weren't even hiring 1Ls but just wanted to chit chat and tell me about their firm and that they hoped I would consider it next fall during OCI). I don't think BIGLAW really does that, at least not that I've heard of.

Isn't $110k pretty much a biglaw salary? Sounds pretty sweet.

What mid-sized markets are you looking at? Personally I'm interested in taking my Michigan degree to the Pacific Northwest (Portland? Seattle maybe?) Those would probably be considered "mid-size," right? Plus there's no T14 on the west coast except Boalt, and no T30 in Oregon or Washington.

Do you have ties to those markets?  If you don't, it might be tough and you'd probably need to be pretty strategic with your bids.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 21, 2008, 04:56:08 PM
re: mid-sized firms/markets - I'm shooting for a mid-sized market, where the biggest firms are considered "mid-sized" by national standards (there are only a few firms that have 300 attorneys). I'm doing it because it's the geographic area that I want to be in, I love the particular city (and its size), It seems like there's more meaningful work for beginning associates, etc. The starting salary is $110-$130K but the COL more than makes up for the difference b/w that and what you would be paid in a larger city.

It's actually nice when you're planning on working in a place where not a lot of other people are going. Those firms are competing harder for fewer Michigan students, so they add a lot of personal touches (Over break, I had nice lunches w/ associates from 2 separate firms who weren't even hiring 1Ls but just wanted to chit chat and tell me about their firm and that they hoped I would consider it next fall during OCI). I don't think BIGLAW really does that, at least not that I've heard of.

Isn't $110k pretty much a biglaw salary? Sounds pretty sweet.

What mid-sized markets are you looking at? Personally I'm interested in taking my Michigan degree to the Pacific Northwest (Portland? Seattle maybe?) Those would probably be considered "mid-size," right? Plus there's no T14 on the west coast except Boalt, and no T30 in Oregon or Washington.

Do you have ties to those markets?  If you don't, it might be tough and you'd probably need to be pretty strategic with your bids.

No ties to the Pacific NW. Other law students have advised me to try interning in the region/ state I want to work to demonstrate interest during my 1L and 2L summers. It might be slightly more difficult, but not *that* difficult, right? I mean, I don't have ties anywhere. What would it matter to a firm hiring in Portland whether I grew up in Portland or not though? I'm really very curious.

Plus there's no T14 on the west coast except Boalt

Why does Stanny always get the shaft?

Doh!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 21, 2008, 05:04:19 PM
I'm not gonna quote b/c this is getting unwieldy.  The answer is that some markets care more than others.  NY will hire anything with a pulse (which probably helped me, no doubt  :P) while Boston is obscenely insular/provincial and only takes those with strong ties.  (Bouzie, please note that this is fairly objective truth and not my hatred for your city speaking...) 

I can't speak for Portland or Seattle because I'm not sure.  I know a woman in my class who is headed to Seattle with no prior ties, but she has an incredible resume (Peace Corps, litigation paralegal for one of the lit. powerhouse firms, great grades...)  So it's possible, but I can't say whether that's an exception or a rule.  If you're certain that that's what you want, just bust your ass for a 1L position in one of those cities - even if it's unpaid, it'll establish some connections to the region.     
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 21, 2008, 06:36:56 PM
Generally, when people are talking about connections to a city, they are speaking pretty broadly.

Firms spend a lot of money on recruitment; flights, summer associate salary, etc.  While you will bill at a pretty hefty rate from the start, there are lots of costs to bring on trained personnel.  It may take the firm a while to really recoup their investment on hiring you.  I think some markets, and Seattle and Boston may be two of them, get a lot of people who "think it'd be great to move to Boston," and wind up going on a whim.  These kinds of people may have even shorter retention rates than the typical straight-out-of-lawschool associate.

So, at the end of the day, firms want to know that there is a reason you are wanting to go to a city.  That it's not just a fleeting thing.  It increases the chances that you will stay longer, increases the chances that you will "pay off" as an investment, and decreases the chances of attrition, which is already a problem.

A market like New York has both (a) a very high demand, lessening the impact of the above, and (b) an attitude that says Hey -- who wouldn't want to live in New York?  A market like Boston has (a) a lot of talented students already with Boston connections (Harvard, BC, BU), (b) the kind of city people sometimes go to in a fleeting way, etc.  If you're already a Red Sox fan and your family lives in Boston, you're more likely to stick around than someone who isn't.  You can convince any firm you're truly interested in their city, and this will go away.  But imagine a person who bids on firms all over the country.  Two in MN, two in MA, two in MI, two in FL, two in GA.  No one believes that person really wants to go anywhere.  To the extent that they find out how fleeting your interest is, they may just pass on you (lower risk of attrition).  So showing dedication to a city by having (a) connections to it (family, friends, whatever), and (b) bidding to show that you really are interested in that market, can really help.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 21, 2008, 06:50:21 PM
Are any of you dealing with searching for jobs in the Detroit market?  I am a Michigan resident, and I will be staying here after school.  I've worked at firms here for a long time, but I'm not sure that I want to work as an attorney at one of the firms I've clerked at.  Does anyone have an idea of the difficulty getting jobs (both 1L summer, 2L summer, and attorney) in this market?  Are there any firms that are at the top of the most wanted list?  Least wanted?  Would I be best off using the relationships I've developed and just try to work at one of the places where I know people?  Feel free to PM if necessary, and thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on January 21, 2008, 06:55:43 PM
Are any of you dealing with searching for jobs in the Detroit market?  I am a Michigan resident, and I will be staying here after school.  I've worked at firms here for a long time, but I'm not sure that I want to work as an attorney at one of the firms I've clerked at.  Does anyone have an idea of the difficulty getting jobs (both 1L summer, 2L summer, and attorney) in this market?  Are there any firms that are at the top of the most wanted list?  Least wanted?  Would I be best off using the relationships I've developed and just try to work at one of the places where I know people?  Feel free to PM if necessary, and thanks!

Oh tag tagging this question! If any responders PM Ender, please send one to me as well! Thanks :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 21, 2008, 08:44:45 PM
I'm not gonna quote b/c this is getting unwieldy.  The answer is that some markets care more than others.  NY will hire anything with a pulse (which probably helped me, no doubt  :P) while Boston is obscenely insular/provincial and only takes those with strong ties.  (Bouzie, please note that this is fairly objective truth and not my hatred for your city speaking...) 

I can't speak for Portland or Seattle because I'm not sure.  I know a woman in my class who is headed to Seattle with no prior ties, but she has an incredible resume (Peace Corps, litigation paralegal for one of the lit. powerhouse firms, great grades...)  So it's possible, but I can't say whether that's an exception or a rule.  If you're certain that that's what you want, just bust your ass for a 1L position in one of those cities - even if it's unpaid, it'll establish some connections to the region.     

Jolie, we're in agreement about Boston.  I'm fairly nervous that I'll have a hard time getting in even with my MA connections.  Plus, there really just aren't as many firms in aby of the markets outside of NY, CHI, DC.  Hell, even SF proper has a fairly small numnber of firms.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 21, 2008, 09:13:59 PM
If you want to be in Boston, or any other market, for that matter, you can get there from Michigan.  You can take several steps and actions to help your case, but you'll be successful.  You could fill an entire OCI schedule with Boston firms, I believe.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on January 22, 2008, 04:42:38 AM
If you want to be in Boston, or any other market, for that matter, you can get there from Michigan.  You can take several steps and actions to help your case, but you'll be successful.  You could fill an entire OCI schedule with Boston firms, I believe.

This may have been addressed elsewhere and, if so, feel free to point me in that direction, but I'm clueless about OCI. I have a few questions about how it works at Michigan and other schools for that matter; please jump in here with any info  you can provide.



Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 22, 2008, 05:13:16 AM
If you're thinking about working in a city you've never visited, I suggest taking a long weekend there this summer before you start law school.  At least see what it's like and if you think you could be happy there before you concentrate your bids on it.

But worse comes to worst, if you hated the city during your 2L summer, you could do OCI again as a 3L.  It's just supposed to be harder as a 3L.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 22, 2008, 05:27:53 AM
If you want to be in Boston, or any other market, for that matter, you can get there from Michigan.  You can take several steps and actions to help your case, but you'll be successful.  You could fill an entire OCI schedule with Boston firms, I believe.

This may have been addressed elsewhere and, if so, feel free to point me in that direction, but I'm clueless about OCI. I have a few questions about how it works at Michigan and other schools for that matter; please jump in here with any info  you can provide.

  • Do you get to choose the specifications such as firm size and location and then you only get interviews that meet those criteria? Or do you get to see who wants to interview you and then you pick and choose from among those firms?
  • Also, what about firms that have several offices in different cities....would the people you are meeting with on campus be from the city you would be in or could they be from a totally different office?
  • OK, one last question: do students typically do a sort of "trial run"--as in visit the physical office location--where they are likely to be a summer associate? I suppose this applies more to scenarios where you aren't familiar with the city and/or firm.


Thanks! :)

OCI is really different between different schools, and it's one of the most practical and tangible differences between going to a school like Michigan and going to one just a few rankings spots away.

What happens is that the summer after 1L, you get a list of the approx. 700 employers who are coming to OCI.  This includes multiple offices for a lot of firms (although they may not send someone from every city; a NYer could interview the LA candidates for the on-campus (screening) interview.)  Each student gets 30 bids, which they use to rank the firms they're interested in.  The computer tries to match up students with as many of their bids as possible, based on their order of preference and availability.

In other words, the employers have NO SAY over who they see at this phase.  They can't screen you out no matter how crappy your grades or how weak your resume. 

As for the "trial run" question, I think you're thinking of callbacks.  After the first trippy round of interviews (and trippy they are: you do about 24 20-min. interviews in 4 days) you hopefully get callbacks from some of the firms.  They fly you into the city, put you up in a fancy hotel, conduct more substantial interviews, and usually take you out for a meal.  Your offer either comes at the end of that interview or a few days later (or not at all, but...). 

In general, don't worry about the details of this stuff yet.  It all starts to make sense during 1L, esp. during the Spring Semester. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: MHLM on January 22, 2008, 05:57:15 AM
Thanks, flyaway and Jolie! I love that Mich doesn't allow pre-screening. That's a huge source of attraction.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 22, 2008, 08:44:28 AM
Thanks, flyaway and Jolie! I love that Mich doesn't allow pre-screening. That's a huge source of attraction.

I actually like the idea of pre-screening.  That way you don't waste your time with employers that have NO intentions on hiring you.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 22, 2008, 09:00:00 AM
Thanks, flyaway and Jolie! I love that Mich doesn't allow pre-screening. That's a huge source of attraction.

I actually like the idea of pre-screening.  That way you don't waste your time with employers that have NO intentions on hiring you.

The concept is supposed to be that if you're a great interview, you've at least got a foot in the door to show that.  I think it's a good idea.

And if you've got super grades and are worried that you won't get an interview with a firm you really want (though I'm not sure that's very likely, since you rank your bids), you can always send your resume directly, if you don't get an OCI interview.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 22, 2008, 09:07:57 AM
Thanks, flyaway and Jolie! I love that Mich doesn't allow pre-screening. That's a huge source of attraction.

I actually like the idea of pre-screening.  That way you don't waste your time with employers that have NO intentions on hiring you.

You still have to bid strategically.  Or, you don't HAVE to; you should.  By the time you're bidding, you'll know exactly what GPA range all of the firms you're interested in generally target.  It's like applying to LS all over again - you have your targets, your safeties, your reaches...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: RokoMotion on January 22, 2008, 11:31:26 AM
Why WOULD a school allow pre-screening?  What is the benefit to the school?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 22, 2008, 11:37:14 AM
Thank you both for the info.

The concept is supposed to be that if you're a great interview, you've at least got a foot in the door to show that.  I think it's a good idea.

I would think that most law students are horrible interviews.  I could be wrong though.

You still have to bid strategically.  Or, you don't HAVE to; you should.  By the time you're bidding, you'll know exactly what GPA range all of the firms you're interested in generally target.  It's like applying to LS all over again - you have your targets, your safeties, your reaches...

How do you know the GPA ranges for the firms?  Word of mouth or does Michigan career services release this info?

Why WOULD a school allow pre-screening?  What is the benefit to the school?

Ask UVa. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 22, 2008, 11:45:37 AM
Thank you both for the info.

The concept is supposed to be that if you're a great interview, you've at least got a foot in the door to show that.  I think it's a good idea.

I would think that most law students are horrible interviews.  I could be wrong though.

You still have to bid strategically.  Or, you don't HAVE to; you should.  By the time you're bidding, you'll know exactly what GPA range all of the firms you're interested in generally target.  It's like applying to LS all over again - you have your targets, your safeties, your reaches...

How do you know the GPA ranges for the firms?  Word of mouth or does Michigan career services release this info?

Why WOULD a school allow pre-screening?  What is the benefit to the school?

Ask UVa. 

Career services provides ranges for all firms that have given offers to more than 3 UM students in the past 5 or so years.  So, basically, they have info for almost all firms you'd be interested in.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 22, 2008, 12:36:52 PM
Thank you both for the info.

The concept is supposed to be that if you're a great interview, you've at least got a foot in the door to show that.  I think it's a good idea.

I would think that most law students are horrible interviews.  I could be wrong though.

You still have to bid strategically.  Or, you don't HAVE to; you should.  By the time you're bidding, you'll know exactly what GPA range all of the firms you're interested in generally target.  It's like applying to LS all over again - you have your targets, your safeties, your reaches...

How do you know the GPA ranges for the firms?  Word of mouth or does Michigan career services release this info?

Why WOULD a school allow pre-screening?  What is the benefit to the school?

Ask UVa. 

Nah, I doubt MOST of my classmates are bad at interviews.  There are some that I think probably are, due to inexperience and nervousness, but there are also tons of people with outgoing personalities and interesting things to say.

Anyway, Michigan releases the GPA ranges of firms, but only to students. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rtqw on January 22, 2008, 01:21:37 PM
Why WOULD a school allow pre-screening?  What is the benefit to the school?

It's possibly (disclaimer: relatively informed 1L speaking here) that pre-screening encourages more firms to come to the school for OCI, as they'll have more control over who they get to interview. I would think that most of a time, a firm would not view OCI at a school as terribly productive if they had no control over who they got to interview. Obviously for a lot of employers, this is overshadowed by the very high quality of Michigan students. And at least as someone who doesn't come close to wowing people in interviews, I wouldn't want to waste time interviewing with someone who would only hire me if my interview was really impressive.

Although, for those deciding between UVa and Michigan, I don't think the difference is really that huge. If firms are apt to be wowed over by impressive interviews, then I would expect them to set their screening guidelines fairly generously. UVa's employment statistics are pretty much as good as Michigan's, so I don't think it hurts their students much.

As a side note, I think the worst part about being a 1L is that I only get amusing Dean Zearfoss emails once a semester or so :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 22, 2008, 02:44:36 PM
Question to anyone who knows:

What kind of opportunities are there for 1Ls to get involved with the admissions office as far as giving tours, helping with ASW, etc..?

I think it'll be something interesting to do next year.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 22, 2008, 02:48:18 PM
Question to anyone who knows:

What kind of opportunities are there for 1Ls to get involved with the admission office as far as giving tours, helping with ASW, etc..?

I think it'll be something interesting to do next year.

Lots of opportunities for those things.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 22, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
Question to anyone who knows:

What kind of opportunities are there for 1Ls to get involved with the admission office as far as giving tours, helping with ASW, etc..?

I think it'll be something interesting to do next year.

TONS. All of the above and more.  There's an admissions committee (not like making decisions, but sort of a control group for ideas).  And aside from that, lots of us here do other things with Admissions, like tours, volunteering for phoneathon and emailathon, ASW, etc.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 22, 2008, 04:02:39 PM
Question to anyone who knows:

What kind of opportunities are there for 1Ls to get involved with the admissions office as far as giving tours, helping with ASW, etc..?

I think it'll be something interesting to do next year.

Ask and ye shall receive.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 22, 2008, 07:10:51 PM
Question to anyone who knows:

What kind of opportunities are there for 1Ls to get involved with the admissions office as far as giving tours, helping with ASW, etc..?

I think it'll be something interesting to do next year.

Helping with admissions feels like a religion here... :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 12:02:45 AM
Question to anyone who knows:

What kind of opportunities are there for 1Ls to get involved with the admissions office as far as giving tours, helping with ASW, etc..?

I think it'll be something interesting to do next year.

Helping with admissions feels like a religion here... :P


It seems like there's a lot of that over there.  The cult of UM Law.  The cult of Dean Z.

Well..... you could do worse.... I don't believe there's any believing in motherships behind the moon with those.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 23, 2008, 06:20:52 AM
Question to anyone who knows:

What kind of opportunities are there for 1Ls to get involved with the admissions office as far as giving tours, helping with ASW, etc..?

I think it'll be something interesting to do next year.

Helping with admissions feels like a religion here... :P

I think that might be the crowd you run with. :)  Though it's not like there aren't plenty of non-LSDers who help too.  I just think we have a much higher rate than average.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 23, 2008, 06:43:22 AM
Honestly, if you perceive people being genuinely friendly and nice as a "schtick," then Michigan probably isn't the right place for you.  I'm not saying that to be mean or defensive, but because I believe it.  I think student bodies largely self-select on what prospective students' perceptions of a place are and what they want to get out of law school.  At Michigan, we truly believe that we are different in terms of the atmosphere and relationships, and I think that as a result of that, we are.  Of course we all work hard and want great educations and good jobs, but it is possible to have those things and treat people well at the same time.

I think it's telling that, while of course Admissions wants volunteers to be friendly and welcoming and informative, they also want us to let them know about (and perhaps even dissuade) any "admissions mistakes."  We don't want every top student here; we want ones who fit the culture as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 23, 2008, 06:53:14 AM
Wally's Michigan deferral eats away at him like a stomach ulcer, you can really feel it in threads like these
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 23, 2008, 07:15:47 AM
I sense a deleted post. For the sake of people that catch up on threads, I wish people who dont feel strongly enough to leave their posts could just edit them and let them be.
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Count me as very excited to be becoming a part of this culture. I even found a Michigan hat that fits. I know it doesnt seem like much, but I've got a big dome and used to have to have special helmets ordered for me.

We don't want every top student here; we want ones who fit the culture as well.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 23, 2008, 07:31:21 AM
Wally's Michigan deferral eats away at him like a stomach ulcer, you can really feel it in threads like these

 :D

Honestly, he'd be funny if he wasn't so damn pathetic.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 23, 2008, 07:34:05 AM
Well, as long as you keep that avatar, I'm fine with your posts Wally.

As for the '10ers, I find them very helpful. They arent the only ones though. The poster on this board that was most helpful and very friendly towards me in helping review my application is headed to Michigan as well. Every contact that I've had with Michigan, from emails and phone calls to posting with the undergrads on football messageboards, has left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 23, 2008, 07:46:59 AM
What does Dean Z write in these e-mails?

She is really personable and it seems to be a complete 180 (turn and score) compared to the dry emails sent from other schools. With a lot of schools I feel like I'm talking to a machine, with Dean Z it feels like a friend. I'm looking forward to the ASW jog.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 23, 2008, 07:51:23 AM
Well, as long as you keep that avatar, I'm fine with your posts Wally.

As for the '10ers, I find them very helpful. They arent the only ones though. The poster on this board that was most helpful and very friendly towards me in helping review my application is headed to Michigan as well. Every contact that I've had with Michigan, from emails and phone calls to posting with the undergrads on football messageboards, has left me feeling warm and fuzzy.

Seriously - I probably wouldn't have applied if it were not for the kind e-mails I received from current students, the alum buzz about the school, and most of all, Dean Z's e-mails.

In December, I got a call from one of the associate directors of admissions, where we chatted for about ten minutes about my undergrad (I'm the first person from my undergrad to break the T10 afaik), my plans for the future, and then she answered a bunch of questions I had. Michigan is excellent at putting a personal touch on the whole admissions process.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: letmeinalready on January 23, 2008, 07:54:56 AM
What does Dean Z write in these e-mails?

She is really personable and it seems to be a complete 180 (turn and score) compared to the dry emails sent from other schools. With a lot of schools I feel like I'm talking to a machine, with Dean Z it feels like a friend. I'm looking forward to the ASW jog.

I agree completely.  The whole administration seems to be very warm compared to other "strictly business" schools.  I was particularly won over by the electronic application M puts on their website.  In it, admissions has comments elaborating on the various questions and the comments are quite personable.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 23, 2008, 08:09:35 AM
Yeah, but what's the subject?  Your application?  Your interests?
For me it was my application and concerns about ASW. Look around though, they've been helpful for all of the topics that you asked, it just depends on the concerns or questions that the particular applicant had.


What makes you think that the personal attitude will continue once you've matriculated?
Trust. Even if there wasnt a group of current Michigan students here to assure that it will, I have nothing to prove that a personal attitude from any other school would continue either.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 23, 2008, 08:10:09 AM
Yeah, but what's the subject?  Your application?  Your interests?

What makes you think that the personal attitude will continue once you've matriculated?

It does.  Law School adminstrations is open, friendly and, at times, hilariously silly (in a good way).  E.g., Dean Z is emceeing a male beauty pageant/fundraiser this weekend.  The Dean of student affairs is a similarly awesome person.

Btw Wallace, your attitude sucks. Admin and students aren't here to "put on a show."  Believe it or not, law school is more than just a numbers game and dog & pony show.  Please, get over yourself.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 23, 2008, 08:21:13 AM
(I'm the first person from my undergrad to break the T10 afaik)

Really?!?  That's awesome.  I wonder if I am too.  The highest rank school I know of someone from my undergrad attending is WUSTL.

And I agree whole-heartedly about the vibe from Michigan.  EVERYTHING (barring the weather) gives you warm feelings.  I love every e-mail that Dean Z sends, and the note that she wrote on my admission letter was one of the best compliments anyone has ever given me.

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 23, 2008, 08:24:57 AM
There's nothing about it that "sucks."  I'm happy for anyone who's happy at their respective school(s), but a few members of my family work in sales, and I have a gut aversion to this type of stuff.

Wally, what is there to sell?  These students get absolutely NOTHING for recruiting.  They are doing it on their own time and accord.  I've been watching admissions cycles for three or four years now, and EVERY year, Michigan has ALWAYS been held in such high regard.  I have seen very few people say anything bad about it.

If you are that bitter about your deferral, write a LOCI or something.  Don't try to bring other folks down.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 23, 2008, 08:33:56 AM
I agree that Michigan is super-nice. They've always been very polite and I just love the people who have been in contact with me.

So anyway, I have a problem with the ASW, does anyone want to help me figure out what to do? I'm going to register for the March 13-15 ASW. The closest metro to me is Omaha; if I fly out of Omaha it will cost about $300 + bus ride to AA from Detroit. This is too expensive; so instead I want to take the train from Omaha to Ann Arbor. That will run me about $180.

The only problem is that The train leaves Omaha at 6AM and gets to AA at 11PM. For the trip back the train leaves AA 8AM and gets to Omaha around midnight.

This means I will either arrive on Wednesday night and have to put myself up for the night (which, as stated earlier, sucks because money is a big concern otherwise I would just fly) or I would leave on Thursday and arrive on Thursday night (missing some of the activity). The same dilemma for leaving Ann Arbor-- I would either leave on Saturday morning at 8AM before the weekend is over, or stay in AA all Saturday, pay for a hotel Saturday night, and leave on Sunday morning.

Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 23, 2008, 09:00:27 AM
I agree that Michigan is super-nice. They've always been very polite and I just love the people who have been in contact with me.

So anyway, I have a problem with the ASW, does anyone want to help me figure out what to do? I'm going to register for the March 13-15 ASW. The closest metro to me is Omaha; if I fly out of Omaha it will cost about $300 + bus ride to AA from Detroit. This is too expensive; so instead I want to take the train from Omaha to Ann Arbor. That will run me about $180.

The only problem is that The train leaves Omaha at 6AM and gets to AA at 11PM. For the trip back the train leaves AA 8AM and gets to Omaha around midnight.

This means I will either arrive on Wednesday night and have to put myself up for the night (which, as stated earlier, sucks because money is a big concern otherwise I would just fly) or I would leave on Thursday and arrive on Thursday night (missing some of the activity). The same dilemma for leaving Ann Arbor-- I would either leave on Saturday morning at 8AM before the weekend is over, or stay in AA all Saturday, pay for a hotel Saturday night, and leave on Sunday morning.

Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

Call and talk to the admissions office.  I think they are trying to make arrangements for some admitted students on Wednesday at the hotel for $20.  You might want to get in on that.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 09:34:18 AM
Just registered for the March weekend.  Those seats are definitely going faster than the April ones although there are still something like 93 left (140 for April).

I'm staying till Sunday and asked whether I can get a Wednesday reservation as well.  Worst comes to worst I guess I'll find my own place for Wednesday.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 23, 2008, 09:48:55 AM
All the happiness is fake!!!

Oh my god, what am I going to do this weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 23, 2008, 09:52:40 AM
What is your argument, exactly?  (I mean this sincerely).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 09:56:24 AM
Wallace... lots of NYCers going to UMich.  Just here, there's myself and Jolie.  

BTW, I'm surprised you haven't been admitted with those rigoddamndiculous stats.  With UMich I know it's a little less correlated, but still.

I'm drinking the kool-aid right now.  Mmmmmm.....delicious......

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 23, 2008, 09:58:11 AM

The same dilemma for leaving Ann Arbor-- I would either leave on Saturday morning at 8AM before the weekend is over, or stay in AA all Saturday, pay for a hotel Saturday night, and leave on Sunday morning.


Hey, Tetris.  I may be misunderstanding your question, but the $20 hotel rate covers Saturday night (if you select that option when registering).  I'm staying all 3 nights (Th, Fri, Sat) and leaving on Sunday morning.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 23, 2008, 09:58:38 AM
What is your argument, exactly?  (I mean this sincerely).

I d-dubbed it earlier this morning, but Phishy Eel gives a nice suggestive paraphrase.

It's going to be difficult, then, to accept or reject your argument; its conclusion or its premises, if it's been d-dubbed. 

If your conclusion is that the "vibe" of Michigan being a place where people are collegial and generally happy and excited can't be true, then I'd like to know what the premise(s) are for that conclusion.  Do you think that it's impossible for people to be happy and excited about law school in general?  Do you believe that no one would eagerly express their happiness if they weren't being instructed to do so? 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rtqw on January 23, 2008, 10:06:56 AM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: t L on January 23, 2008, 10:19:45 AM
A d-dubbing tL!   :D

Proof? 

Those are false accusations.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 23, 2008, 10:24:52 AM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 10:27:16 AM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.

like all the LSD-ers?   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 23, 2008, 10:31:19 AM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.

like all the LSD-ers?   :D

Except me, of course! (I am only hung over after Bouzie-Pearl parties).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 10:33:41 AM
hahahaha...yeah....at the beginning of the semester when I saw the LSD-ers pics, I was thinking.... is there studying at law school?  But then later SOME people were posting books on their profile pics and I got the message.   :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 23, 2008, 10:36:39 AM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.

like all the LSD-ers?   :D

Except me, of course! (I am only hung over after Bouzie-Pearl parties).


QUOTED so this can never ever ever be d-dubbed!!!!!   
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 23, 2008, 12:04:36 PM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.

like all the LSD-ers?   :D

Except me, of course! (I am only hung over after Bouzie-Pearl parties).


QUOTED so this can never ever ever be d-dubbed!!!!!   

re-quoted, just in case...

Flyaway I thought you never got hangovers... hmmmmm???
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: monserrat on January 23, 2008, 12:08:11 PM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.

like all the LSD-ers?   :D

Except me, of course! (I am only hung over after Bouzie-Pearl parties).


QUOTED so this can never ever ever be d-dubbed!!!!!   

re-quoted, just in case...

Flyaway I thought you never got hangovers... hmmmmm???

aren't you supposed to be sick?

and how have i not posted in a mlaw thread that is already 92 pp?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 23, 2008, 12:12:07 PM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.

like all the LSD-ers?   :D

Except me, of course! (I am only hung over after Bouzie-Pearl-Monserrat parties).


QUOTED so this can never ever ever be d-dubbed!!!!!   

re-quoted, just in case...

Flyaway I thought you never got hangovers... hmmmmm???

aren't you supposed to be sick?

and how have i not posted in a mlaw thread that is already 92 pp?

Fixt!

uhmmmmmmm Pearl and Monserrat, the three of us are in the same place at the same time.  THIS IS EXCITING!  -- ok so Im in legal practice, but we're int eh same virtual place
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 23, 2008, 12:14:00 PM
Any thoughts on how I should handle this dilemma? Also, if I had to "miss" either Thursday or Saturday, which would you consider more missable?

I'd try to cough up the money for a plane - 16 hour train rides are not fun.

Not sure if they're doing it this year, but I know last year they did offer the $20 rate through Saturday night. With that said, if you're going to miss a day, I'd miss Saturday as the less important stuff is there.

Last year, tons of people missed Saturday because they were hung over from Friday.

like all the LSD-ers?   :D

Except me, of course! (I am only hung over after Bouzie-Pearl parties).


QUOTED so this can never ever ever be d-dubbed!!!!!   

re-quoted, just in case...

Flyaway I thought you never got hangovers... hmmmmm???

I actually don't; it was a joke.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 23, 2008, 12:32:26 PM
I am sick! I'm in bed - the SO is very worried and calls like every hour... I keep waking up :(

Plus I know our house is a freaking ice box but I have the heat down to like 62 and I'm still roasting :(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: monserrat on January 23, 2008, 12:39:21 PM
I am sick! I'm in bed - the SO is very worried and calls like every hour... I keep waking up :(

Plus I know our house is a freaking ice box but I have the heat down to like 62 and I'm still roasting :(

sorry :( 

ok, so I'm reposting this b/c the last one was a mess (it's been awhile)...

So, to whomever has to choose to miss thursday or saturday (I forgot by the time I got to this page sorry), I would miss Sat.  I had to fly in a night early b/c I was coming from the West Coast and I paid full price for my hotel.  Many people will leave Sat, but they will also be sad they are leaving b/c more than a few stay. That said by Sat night you will be worn out, so may wish you weren't forced to go out again with your crazy online friends, but if you come late, you may feel a little behind.  Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 23, 2008, 01:32:28 PM
Wallace, man (and I say this with affection, even though it's going to sound unbearably smug and superior):

You've simply got to get over yourself. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: edaze on January 23, 2008, 01:47:38 PM
Quote
You've simply got to get over yourself.

Credited.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 03:38:00 PM
hey '10 'ers .... is it totally pointless to rent a car to go from the airport to AA and have it for the weekend?  Otherwise, what's the easiest way to go from the airport to AA?  cab it?  bus?  what did you guys do?  I was thinking of trying to get a cab-pool, but I think I'm going in on Wednesday so that probably kills that.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anonym on January 23, 2008, 03:47:22 PM
hey '10 'ers .... is it totally pointless to rent a car to go from the airport to AA and have it for the weekend?  Otherwise, what's the easiest way to go from the airport to AA?  cab it?  bus?  what did you guys do?  I was thinking of trying to get a cab-pool, but I think I'm going in on Wednesday so that probably kills that.

Taking the shuttle makes the most sense. Cars help you avoid the cold but aren't really necessary.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 23, 2008, 03:59:41 PM
how much is the shuttle?

last year a bunch of us split a shuttle and it ended up being pretty cheap.  They have different rates depending on the number of people you organize.

Here's a link

http://www.annarborairportshuttle.net/4.html (http://www.annarborairportshuttle.net/4.html)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 23, 2008, 04:08:16 PM
There's also the Michigan Flyer (http://www.michiganflyer.com/).  Not as convenient, but definitely cheaper if you can't share a shuttle.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 23, 2008, 04:14:57 PM
There's also the Michigan Flyer (http://www.michiganflyer.com/).  Not as convenient, but definitely cheaper if you can't share a shuttle.

Pikey, I was thinking of suggesting that, but I don't know how they'd get from the Sheraton where the flyer drops off to the school/their hotels.  its definitely not walkable :(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 23, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
There's also the Michigan Flyer (http://www.michiganflyer.com/).  Not as convenient, but definitely cheaper if you can't share a shuttle.

Pikey, I was thinking of suggesting that, but I don't know how they'd get from the Sheraton where the flyer drops off to the school/their hotels.  its definitely not walkable :(

Hmm, good point.  There's the #36 bus (http://aata.org/rideguide/36inot.pdf), but that might be a little confusing if you don't know the area.  There's also Blue Cab, which is the "official" cab of the Michigan Flyer.  At $10 (or less) to the hotel, it's still cheaper than a cab by yourself.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 23, 2008, 04:22:21 PM
If you do rent a car, which isn't the most horrible idea I've ever heard if you can get one $20 a day or so (hint:  if you know you are going to Michigan, join the ABA Student Division and get Hertz car rental rates without paying under 25 surcharges as a member), then you can park for free at the Campus Inn (if that's where you are staying, which most of you will be).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 04:23:57 PM
I haven't gotten tix yet so I don't know exactly when I'm getting in.  I'm planning on Wednesday though.  It's worth it not to feel like hell the whole of Thursday.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 04:24:47 PM
If you do rent a car, which isn't the most horrible idea I've ever heard if you can get one $20 a day or so (hint:  if you know you are going to Michigan, join the ABA Student Division and get Hertz car rental rates without paying under 25 surcharges as a member), then you can park for free at the Campus Inn (if that's where you are staying, which most of you will be).


sadly I don't have to pay those surcharges.   :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 23, 2008, 04:25:28 PM
nor do i, nor do i
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 23, 2008, 04:30:55 PM
If you do rent a car, which isn't the most horrible idea I've ever heard if you can get one $20 a day or so (hint:  if you know you are going to Michigan, join the ABA Student Division and get Hertz car rental rates without paying under 25 surcharges as a member), then you can park for free at the Campus Inn (if that's where you are staying, which most of you will be).


sadly I don't have to pay those surcharges.   :'(

Whaddya mean, sadly?!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 04:52:25 PM
well it's a mixed blessing.  Being 25 is the last time you get a government mandated age based benefit until you can collect social security and withdraw from your IRAs without penalty.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 23, 2008, 05:06:15 PM
I'm not going to be 25 until I'm a 1L.

I'm fairly sure I'll be taking the train to AA, despite the 16 hour travel time. I'll save about $100-$200 by taking the train, but it means I'll arrive at Midnight on Wednesday. Has anyone talked to Michigan about helping with Wednesday night arrangements? Considering that they are setting us up with a good deal on lodging already I feel somewhat guilty even asking them what to do on Wednesday night.

So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 23, 2008, 05:14:55 PM
So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 23, 2008, 05:19:35 PM
So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.

Unless you're just a lonely and awkward person.  Like me.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 23, 2008, 05:21:19 PM
I'm not going to be 25 until I'm a 1L.

I'm fairly sure I'll be taking the train to AA, despite the 16 hour travel time. I'll save about $100-$200 by taking the train, but it means I'll arrive at Midnight on Wednesday. Has anyone talked to Michigan about helping with Wednesday night arrangements? Considering that they are setting us up with a good deal on lodging already I feel somewhat guilty even asking them what to do on Wednesday night.

So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?




Bah! just fudge your computer loans next year and take out an extra 200 bucks.  You're gonna be DEAD after that train ride through about 10 boring states.  Totally not worth it.

...not that anyone here fudged their computer loans...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: The Poster on January 23, 2008, 05:30:53 PM
So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.

Unless you're just a lonely and awkward person. Like me.

Are you channeling me now?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 05:38:28 PM
so is there any possibility of the LSD UM '10 folks chilling with the LSD UM '11 folks at some point during the first preview weekend? 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 05:52:06 PM
eeeeexcellllllleeeeeeent.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 23, 2008, 06:15:14 PM
Man, I'm going to miss all the fun  :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 23, 2008, 06:44:35 PM
So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.

Uhhh...well, I had a roommate and met him for the first time at 8am on the third day.  I had an absurd time at the ASW.

ETA: I was re-entering the room at that time. He was horrified.  Everybody can thank me for being partially responsible for convincing him to go elsewhere.  Dean Z would have been proud. Or not.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 23, 2008, 07:41:38 PM
I'm not going to be 25 until I'm a 1L.

I won't be 25 until after just after I graduate from law school.

So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.

Unless you're just a lonely and awkward person.  Like me.

This worries me.  I'm not a hermit, but I'm not very good at getting to know people at first, so I'm worried I'll spend the time and money coming and get little from the weekend, which seems to be primarily a social event.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 23, 2008, 07:42:50 PM
What is everything thinking about for laptops?  (Or for the current students, what do you have?)  I am strongly considering the Lenovo x61 for portability and battery life, but I'm open to others' opinions about why or why not to get it.  Anyone else have a machine they love?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 23, 2008, 07:44:13 PM
I'm not going to be 25 until I'm a 1L.

I won't be 25 until after just after I graduate from law school.

So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.

Unless you're just a lonely and awkward person.  Like me.

This worries me.  I'm not a hermit, but I'm not very good at getting to know people at first, so I'm worried I'll spend the time and money coming and get little from the weekend, which seems to be primarily a social event.

I wouldn't worry about that at all.  It seems like there are many substantive things to do, and all you need to do it hook up with your fellow LSDers, and the ice will be broken. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 23, 2008, 07:53:04 PM
I'm not going to be 25 until I'm a 1L.

I won't be 25 until after just after I graduate from law school.

So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.

Unless you're just a lonely and awkward person.  Like me.

This worries me.  I'm not a hermit, but I'm not very good at getting to know people at first, so I'm worried I'll spend the time and money coming and get little from the weekend, which seems to be primarily a social event.

Two things:

Jolie? Lonely and awkward? Seriously?

Also, you'll be way ahead of the game with the LSD connections.  The weekend's 'primarily social' in the way that orientation or your first few days at summer camp or whatever are, but there's also a lot of stuff the school organizes to show you around.  And the main point of the whole thing is to SEE the place and get a small feel for what your life would be like as a student here.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 07:53:57 PM
that's definitely a benefit of LSD wrt preview weekend.  Pre-made friends ftw!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 23, 2008, 07:59:46 PM
What is everything thinking about for laptops?  (Or for the current students, what do you have?)  I am strongly considering the Lenovo x61 for portability and battery life, but I'm open to others' opinions about why or why not to get it.  Anyone else have a machine they love?

The LSDers are an unusually pro-Mac crowd.  Actually, though, Michigan Law as a whole has a lot of Mac users (though certainly not a majority).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 23, 2008, 08:00:58 PM
It really helps that much?

I would think it would be really awkward to meet people I know in passing online.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 23, 2008, 08:01:43 PM
What is everything thinking about for laptops?  (Or for the current students, what do you have?)  I am strongly considering the Lenovo x61 for portability and battery life, but I'm open to others' opinions about why or why not to get it.  Anyone else have a machine they love?

The LSDers are an unusually pro-Mac crowd.  Actually, though, Michigan Law as a whole has a lot of Mac users (though certainly not a majority).

Nu uh!  Piggy and I both have the X61s and we love it!  Get it!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 23, 2008, 08:05:06 PM
I'm not going to be 25 until I'm a 1L.

I won't be 25 until after just after I graduate from law school.

So are there any testimonials from people who have gone to previous ASW, or specifically a Michigan ASW? Is it fun? Social? Or lonely and awkward?

They are what you make of them, but I'd say for most people, they are the opposite of lonely and awkward.

Unless you're just a lonely and awkward person.  Like me.

This worries me.  I'm not a hermit, but I'm not very good at getting to know people at first, so I'm worried I'll spend the time and money coming and get little from the weekend, which seems to be primarily a social event.

The ASW as planned by Dean Z is definitely more than a social event.  You're getting the perspective of the 2010 LSD crowd, which is a very social group and made a lot of its own fun.

During the day, there is a mock class, a real class you sit in on, panel discussions with students, alums, profs, tours, etc.

I only went to the Michigan and the Virginia ASWs, and Michigan definitely had more things planned after hours, though.  Virginia's was more of a 9-5 affair, while Michigan planned some official (Admissions) and unofficial (Student Groups) social things, like dinners with students and bar nights.  And they try to have a big law school event you can attend, like the SFF Auction.  For the April one, I don't think they have that figured out yet, though.  Last year, I think the other one was some sort of variety show by the Asian Pacific Law Student Association.

Too bad you guys won't be at Mr. Wolverine to cheer on *ahem* someone you know and love. (not me... i'm a girl)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 23, 2008, 08:21:52 PM
What is everything thinking about for laptops?  (Or for the current students, what do you have?)  I am strongly considering the Lenovo x61 for portability and battery life, but I'm open to others' opinions about why or why not to get it.  Anyone else have a machine they love?

The LSDers are an unusually pro-Mac crowd.  Actually, though, Michigan Law as a whole has a lot of Mac users (though certainly not a majority).

Nu uh!  Piggy and I both have the X61s and we love it!  Get it!  ;)

Is the 's' worth the extra $150 for the slightly greater battery life, or should I just get the regular x61?  Is battery life a significant issue (I would get the 8-cell either way), or are there enough plugs for everyone in the class?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 23, 2008, 08:28:47 PM
Jolie? Lonely and awkward? Seriously?

Well, not with you my love.

And possum, sorry I missed you.  Yes to your question. 

<-- unabashedly using the board as her own private forum. 

Okay, substance.  Come to Preview.  We're not scary at all.  You'll be your own happy little cohesive group by the end of the weekend.   

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 23, 2008, 08:29:07 PM
It really helps that much?

I would think it would be really awkward to meet people I know in passing online.

I mean, I don't know about anybody else, but there were more than a handful of us who were pretty frequent posters on LSD and our online personalities are identical to our Real Life ones.  This made everything run incredibly smoothly. I met up with Gengis and Miss Celies Blues at the airport and we were jabbering on about random, inappropriate *&^% by the time the cab dropped us off at the Law Quad.   

I say all this as someone who doesn't really have problems meeting people in unfamiliar situations, but I think most people felt similarly.   
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: neverborn on January 23, 2008, 09:09:03 PM
Apr3-5 ASW sounds so lonely and sad  >:( >:( >:( :(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 23, 2008, 09:18:28 PM
Apr3-5 ASW sounds so lonely and sad  >:( >:( >:( :(

Nah--it'll be cool.  I am almost certain that I will be back for it, and I'm sure there will be many more as well. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 23, 2008, 09:56:53 PM
back for it?  you're going to multiple preview weekends?  can you even do that?



at the time I registered (today), there were 90 seats left over for march, 140 left over for april.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: joyce615 on January 24, 2008, 12:15:33 AM
What is everything thinking about for laptops?  (Or for the current students, what do you have?)  I am strongly considering the Lenovo x61 for portability and battery life, but I'm open to others' opinions about why or why not to get it.  Anyone else have a machine they love?

The LSDers are an unusually pro-Mac crowd.  Actually, though, Michigan Law as a whole has a lot of Mac users (though certainly not a majority).

Nu uh!  Piggy and I both have the X61s and we love it!  Get it!  ;)

Is the 's' worth the extra $150 for the slightly greater battery life, or should I just get the regular x61?  Is battery life a significant issue (I would get the 8-cell either way), or are there enough plugs for everyone in the class?

I really want to know this too. I'm also deliberating between these two specific laptops and am curious about what made you guys choose on x61s
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Matthew on January 24, 2008, 01:41:07 AM
Jolie? Lonely and awkward? Seriously?

Well, not with you my love.

And possum, sorry I missed you.  Yes to your question. 

<-- unabashedly using the board as her own private forum. 

Okay, substance.  Come to Preview.  We're not scary at all.  You'll be your own happy little cohesive group by the end of the weekend.   



I'm really close to going, and it's pretty much just because of what I've heard on this board.  I just put in for leave from work, and if that gets approved, I'll probably bite the bullet and buy the $650 plane ticket, barring multiple acceptances from YHSNCCP in the meantime.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: JSMnyny on January 24, 2008, 06:52:33 AM
Hey guys.  Does anybody know the deal with the rec hockey team? 

Figures the hockey players would be the only student organization that failed to post their information on the website... 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 24, 2008, 09:17:38 AM
I'm psyched. This sounds like it'll be an awesome time.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 24, 2008, 11:55:56 AM
back for it?  you're going to multiple preview weekends?  can you even do that?



at the time I registered (today), there were 90 seats left over for march, 140 left over for april.

Well, what I mean by that is I will coming to one or two of the social parts (bar night or something).  I won't be staying, but I only live an hour from campus.  I just want to meet the people who can't come to March (that is if I have the time and I can make it happen). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 24, 2008, 12:39:46 PM
Oh.  I see.  I'll look forward to seeing you in a month and change.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 24, 2008, 03:39:17 PM
Did you guys know they have a message board on the admitted students website? We should all migrate there every once in a while and expand our "online circle" a bit. Maybe meet some other people going to the admitted student weekends.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 24, 2008, 05:50:17 PM
Did you guys know they have a message board on the admitted students website? We should all migrate there every once in a while and expand our "online circle" a bit. Maybe meet some other people going to the admitted student weekends.

Oh yeah, technically I'm supposed to be one of the student volunteers that posts there (as are about half the current students who post on LSD) but I always forget about it... LSD is just so much better :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 24, 2008, 07:19:38 PM
Did you guys know they have a message board on the admitted students website? We should all migrate there every once in a while and expand our "online circle" a bit. Maybe meet some other people going to the admitted student weekends.

Oh yeah, technically I'm supposed to be one of the student volunteers that posts there (as are about half the current students who post on LSD) but I always forget about it... LSD is just so much better :P

Yeah, I'm a student volunteer.  I check it out every so often, but you noobs aren't posting questions...
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 24, 2008, 07:48:44 PM
There is another thread that got me thinking about something, and I want to get people's opinions about it. 

My wife will be coming to ASW with me (and I assume that others will be bringing their wives and husbands).  Are there any of the scheduled things that are ok/not ok for her to attend?  What did you current students do with your spouses when you came?  What are the rest of you planning to do?  My wife is very interested in the whole experience, but will step back if necessary.  I also worry about people thinking I am a tool for bringing her (though, honestly, I am more worried about leaving her out than I am about offending someone's sensibilities). 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 24, 2008, 08:01:11 PM
I just posted on that message board for fun.  Meh. 

Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 24, 2008, 10:40:09 PM

My wife will be coming to ASW with me (and I assume that others will be bringing their wives and husbands).  Are there any of the scheduled things that are ok/not ok for her to attend?  What did you current students do with your spouses when you came?  What are the rest of you planning to do?  My wife is very interested in the whole experience, but will step back if necessary.  I also worry about people thinking I am a tool for bringing her (though, honestly, I am more worried about leaving her out than I am about offending someone's sensibilities). 

Insert girlfriend instead of wife and I have the same concerns.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 24, 2008, 10:43:32 PM
It seems like 90% of this board is being held back and weighed down by their SO. <---(anti-relationship)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: conoroberst on January 24, 2008, 11:38:26 PM
It seems like 10% of this board hasnt found the right SO.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 25, 2008, 04:16:31 AM
There is another thread that got me thinking about something, and I want to get people's opinions about it. 

My wife will be coming to ASW with me (and I assume that others will be bringing their wives and husbands).  Are there any of the scheduled things that are ok/not ok for her to attend?  What did you current students do with your spouses when you came?  What are the rest of you planning to do?  My wife is very interested in the whole experience, but will step back if necessary.  I also worry about people thinking I am a tool for bringing her (though, honestly, I am more worried about leaving her out than I am about offending someone's sensibilities). 

I don't think anyone will think you are weird, especially when we're talking about a wife/fiance.  Clearly, where you decide to go to school has a huge impact on her.  I brought Mr. Flyaway to the ASW, but honestly after the first night he decided to stay back at the hotel and work, other than coming out for dinner and afterwards.  Part of it was that the academic things weren't that interesting to him, and part of it was that he felt a little weird because there weren't many SOs there.  Personally, I don't think anyone made him feel that way; I think he's just a little sensitive about that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 25, 2008, 04:24:47 AM
It seems like 90% of this board is being held back and weighed down by their SO. <---(anti-relationship)

Actually, if it wasn't for my wife I wouldn't even be in the position to be posting on this board.  I would never have gone back to school if not for her encouragement, and I wouldn't be able to take such a full load if she wasn't picking up the slack at home.


There is another thread that got me thinking about something, and I want to get people's opinions about it. 

My wife will be coming to ASW with me (and I assume that others will be bringing their wives and husbands).  Are there any of the scheduled things that are ok/not ok for her to attend?  What did you current students do with your spouses when you came?  What are the rest of you planning to do?  My wife is very interested in the whole experience, but will step back if necessary.  I also worry about people thinking I am a tool for bringing her (though, honestly, I am more worried about leaving her out than I am about offending someone's sensibilities). 

I don't think anyone will think you are weird, especially when we're talking about a wife/fiance.  Clearly, where you decide to go to school has a huge impact on her.  I brought Mr. Flyaway to the ASW, but honestly after the first night he decided to stay back at the hotel and work, other than coming out for dinner and afterwards.  Part of it was that the academic things weren't that interesting to him, and part of it was that he felt a little weird because there weren't many SOs there.  Personally, I don't think anyone made him feel that way; I think he's just a little sensitive about that sort of thing.

I was hoping you would chime in, since I assumed that you had brought your husband.  I am really most concerned about the mock class (as well as the real one).  I know she would be very interested in both of those, especially since she had strongly considered law school herself and put it off partly so we could concentrate on starting a family, but I am concerned about space limitations. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 25, 2008, 05:42:32 AM
I say who cares what people think (and honestly, at ASW I don't think people will think it's weird at all that you bring your spouse) - bring her if she wants to come, and if things feel awkward or if it's boring to her, then she can decide not to come to other events.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 25, 2008, 07:59:56 AM
No space issues at mock class, etc.  Bring an extra person.  I'm sure no one will care (a) officially, or (b) unofficially.

Seriously, bring her and don't think twice.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 25, 2008, 08:00:05 AM
It seems like 90% of this board is being held back and weighed down by their SO. <---(anti-relationship)

Actually, if it wasn't for my wife I wouldn't even be in the position to be posting on this board.  I would never have gone back to school if not for her encouragement, and I wouldn't be able to take such a full load if she wasn't picking up the slack at home.


There is another thread that got me thinking about something, and I want to get people's opinions about it. 

My wife will be coming to ASW with me (and I assume that others will be bringing their wives and husbands).  Are there any of the scheduled things that are ok/not ok for her to attend?  What did you current students do with your spouses when you came?  What are the rest of you planning to do?  My wife is very interested in the whole experience, but will step back if necessary.  I also worry about people thinking I am a tool for bringing her (though, honestly, I am more worried about leaving her out than I am about offending someone's sensibilities). 

I don't think anyone will think you are weird, especially when we're talking about a wife/fiance.  Clearly, where you decide to go to school has a huge impact on her.  I brought Mr. Flyaway to the ASW, but honestly after the first night he decided to stay back at the hotel and work, other than coming out for dinner and afterwards.  Part of it was that the academic things weren't that interesting to him, and part of it was that he felt a little weird because there weren't many SOs there.  Personally, I don't think anyone made him feel that way; I think he's just a little sensitive about that sort of thing.

I was hoping you would chime in, since I assumed that you had brought your husband.  I am really most concerned about the mock class (as well as the real one).  I know she would be very interested in both of those, especially since she had strongly considered law school herself and put it off partly so we could concentrate on starting a family, but I am concerned about space limitations. 

If it's anything like last year, the classes will be held in our biggest classroom, so you'll be fine in terms of space.  Don't worry about bringing her.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 25, 2008, 08:05:38 AM
I'm not going to quote anything since the discussion has drug on for a bit already, but I'm the same situation as Ender, et al.  I'll be bringing my wife and she's very excited about coming, but neither of us are altogether certain what the social protocol is for an ASW.  My instinct was something along the lines of Pearl's advice.  Any suggestions, though, for what she might do if there are some events that either don't interest her or that she is not invited to?  Perhaps there are some other SO's that could all take refuge together away from their legally inclined other halves?  For what it's worth, we're planning on driving up and will have a vehicle to do some exploring.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 25, 2008, 08:09:36 AM
I'm not going to quote anything since the discussion has drug on for a bit already, but I'm the same situation as Ender, et al.  I'll be bringing my wife and she's very excited about coming, but neither of us are altogether certain what the social protocol is for an ASW.  My instinct was something along the lines of Pearl's advice.  Any suggestions, though, for what she might do if there are some events that either don't interest her or that she is not invited to?  Perhaps there are some other SO's that could all take refuge together away from their legally inclined other halves?  For what it's worth, we're planning on driving up and will have a vehicle to do some exploring.

She's definitely invited to everything.  If she doesn't want to go to some stuff, she can explore AA on her own.  There's lots of coffeeshops with free wireless, if she wants to relax and read or surf the net.  There's movie theaters, UM's museum of art, the mall, etc. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 25, 2008, 08:28:22 AM

She's definitely invited to everything.  If she doesn't want to go to some stuff, she can explore AA on her own.  There's lots of coffeeshops with free wireless, if she wants to relax and read or surf the net.  There's movie theaters, UM's museum of art, the mall, etc. 

Thanks, Pikey, this is good to know.  My expectation is that she'll be very interested in all the weekend's events but, like I said, we just weren't sure what the protocol was.  It's kind of the Michigan Law staff to mix up enough koolaid for all the spouses, too :)

On a related note, has anyone here talked to the admissions folks about housing for SO's over the weekend?  I was planning on emailing them today but if anyone else has already done so, I'd be interested in knowing what you found out.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 25, 2008, 08:36:19 AM

She's definitely invited to everything.  If she doesn't want to go to some stuff, she can explore AA on her own.  There's lots of coffeeshops with free wireless, if she wants to relax and read or surf the net.  There's movie theaters, UM's museum of art, the mall, etc. 

Thanks, Pikey, this is good to know.  My expectation is that she'll be very interested in all the weekend's events but, like I said, we just weren't sure what the protocol was.  It's kind of the Michigan Law staff to mix up enough koolaid for all the spouses, too :)

On a related note, has anyone here talked to the admissions folks about housing for SO's over the weekend?  I was planning on emailing them today but if anyone else has already done so, I'd be interested in knowing what you found out.

You're on your own.  Sorry.  They always have more students than they planned to accommodate and there's only so many hotel rooms within walking distance.  I would suggest that you stay at one of the hotels off of the highway (state street exit), such as the sheraton, so that you can take the #36 (wolverine tower) bus to school.  It runs pretty regularly all day and stops right outside the law school.  Then you can go get your car in the evening, when parking is free after 6.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: ipso facto on January 25, 2008, 10:52:30 AM

She's definitely invited to everything.  If she doesn't want to go to some stuff, she can explore AA on her own.  There's lots of coffeeshops with free wireless, if she wants to relax and read or surf the net.  There's movie theaters, UM's museum of art, the mall, etc. 

Thanks, Pikey, this is good to know.  My expectation is that she'll be very interested in all the weekend's events but, like I said, we just weren't sure what the protocol was.  It's kind of the Michigan Law staff to mix up enough koolaid for all the spouses, too :)

On a related note, has anyone here talked to the admissions folks about housing for SO's over the weekend?  I was planning on emailing them today but if anyone else has already done so, I'd be interested in knowing what you found out.

They will almost certainly not have room. My wife and I stayed at a different hotel away from campus last year.

My experience last year was that I knew how f*cking cool Michigan was before I even came to ASW so it was really me selling Ann Arbor to my wife more than anything. She wasn't interested in the academic stuff like the mock class, but she did come to all of the social events, and I skipped out of a few things to tour Ann Arbor with her. However, almost everything will have extra space for your SO to come to. The only thing I can think of that might not have enough space is the dinner in the LC Lounge we had on the first night.

I can't encourage everyone enough to bring their SO to the social events, at least. When school started in the fall, my wife was much more eager to go out and socialize with law students than she would have been if she hadn't met any over ASW, and found out that not all law students are dorks/assholes.

People around here love SOs and always go out of their way to make them feel part of the group. Everyone likes my wife more than they like me, I have been told :-\
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 25, 2008, 11:07:07 AM

She's definitely invited to everything.  If she doesn't want to go to some stuff, she can explore AA on her own.  There's lots of coffeeshops with free wireless, if she wants to relax and read or surf the net.  There's movie theaters, UM's museum of art, the mall, etc. 

Thanks, Pikey, this is good to know.  My expectation is that she'll be very interested in all the weekend's events but, like I said, we just weren't sure what the protocol was.  It's kind of the Michigan Law staff to mix up enough koolaid for all the spouses, too :)

On a related note, has anyone here talked to the admissions folks about housing for SO's over the weekend?  I was planning on emailing them today but if anyone else has already done so, I'd be interested in knowing what you found out.

They will almost certainly not have room. My wife and I stayed at a different hotel away from campus last year.

My experience last year was that I knew how f*cking cool Michigan was before I even came to ASW so it was really me selling Ann Arbor to my wife more than anything. She wasn't interested in the academic stuff like the mock class, but she did come to all of the social events, and I skipped out of a few things to tour Ann Arbor with her. However, almost everything will have extra space for your SO to come to. The only thing I can think of that might not have enough space is the dinner in the LC Lounge we had on the first night.

I can't encourage everyone enough to bring their SO to the social events, at least. When school started in the fall, my wife was much more eager to go out and socialize with law students than she would have been if she hadn't met any over ASW, and found out that not all law students are dorks/assholes.

People around here love SOs and always go out of their way to make them feel part of the group. Everyone likes my wife more than they like me, I have been told :-\

My husband went to the dinner the first night, so there was room/food!  I know I emailed them to ask about the hotel, but I can't remember if as a result of that they were expecting him.  I think probably not, because they insisted on making him a nametag on the spot when we arrived.

One thing that will be weird for those of you who have been out of undergrad for a long time is parading around with a nametag with your undergrad institution on it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 25, 2008, 11:58:48 AM
Thanks for the input everyone.  We're both really excited about coming up in March!  The only problem now is that it's still almost two months away  :'(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 25, 2008, 12:28:05 PM
Thanks for the input everyone.  We're both really excited about coming up in March!  The only problem now is that it's still almost two months away  :'(

We should definitely try to stay at the same place, so at least we can share logistic concerns.  I'll PM you later tonight when I have time with some ideas/questions. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 25, 2008, 12:43:57 PM
Thanks for the input everyone.  We're both really excited about coming up in March!  The only problem now is that it's still almost two months away  :'(

We should definitely try to stay at the same place, so at least we can share logistic concerns.  I'll PM you later tonight when I have time with some ideas/questions. 

Great.  I'll be looking for it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: areopagite on January 25, 2008, 01:27:30 PM
Returning to the subject of SO's and their excitement about coming to Ann Arbor, my wife just sent me this link

http://salineceltic.org/index.html (http://salineceltic.org/index.html)

for a Celtic festival in nearby Saline this summer.  They will apparently have bagpipes, pub music, and a haggis hurling contest.

That seals it.  We're going to Michigan :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 25, 2008, 01:28:53 PM
Returning to the subject of SO's and their excitement about coming to Ann Arbor, my wife just sent me this link

http://salineceltic.org/index.html (http://salineceltic.org/index.html)

for a Celtic festival in nearby Saline this summer.  They will apparently have bagpipes, pub music, and a haggis hurling contest.

That seals it.  We're going to Michigan :)

This truly is the best state in the union :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Ender Wiggin on January 25, 2008, 01:47:36 PM
Returning to the subject of SO's and their excitement about coming to Ann Arbor, my wife just sent me this link

http://salineceltic.org/index.html (http://salineceltic.org/index.html)

for a Celtic festival in nearby Saline this summer.  They will apparently have bagpipes, pub music, and a haggis hurling contest.

That seals it.  We're going to Michigan :)

My grandfather was a professional hurler in Ireland...and then he got kicked in the tailbone and had to "retire."

Dude--you don't even know.  My little brother wears a kilt for nothin'--don't even give him a reason like haggis hurling!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Shark Week on January 25, 2008, 09:11:53 PM
Returning to the subject of SO's and their excitement about coming to Ann Arbor, my wife just sent me this link

http://salineceltic.org/index.html (http://salineceltic.org/index.html)

for a Celtic festival in nearby Saline this summer.  They will apparently have bagpipes, pub music, and a haggis hurling contest.

That seals it.  We're going to Michigan :)

My grandfather was a professional hurler in Ireland...and then he got kicked in the tailbone and had to "retire."

Dude--you don't even know.  My little brother wears a kilt for nothin'--don't even give him a reason like haggis hurling!


I love this thread. There's no end to the tangents it contains. :D
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 26, 2008, 10:03:36 AM
Hey 2011's... Mr. Wolverine last night was AWESOME... I don't think I have been this in love with Michigan since preview weekend... I feel like Mr. Wolverine was like the romantic weekend getaway you take with your spouse to rekindle the flame :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 26, 2008, 10:40:00 AM
Hey 2011's... Mr. Wolverine last night was AWESOME... I don't think I have been this in love with Michigan since preview weekend... I feel like Mr. Wolverine was like the romantic weekend getaway you take with your spouse to rekindle the flame :P

TITCR, though I didn't see you or your roomie at the afterparty.  >:(  The entire night was so much fun!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 26, 2008, 10:49:59 AM
Hey 2011's... Mr. Wolverine last night was AWESOME... I don't think I have been this in love with Michigan since preview weekend... I feel like Mr. Wolverine was like the romantic weekend getaway you take with your spouse to rekindle the flame :P

TITCR, though I didn't see you or your roomie at the afterparty.  >:(  The entire night was so much fun!

uhmm you def saw me at the after party!!!!!!!!!! --- btw, I still hold, I WAS ROBBED.  Damned anti-1L prejudicial adjudicating.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 26, 2008, 11:12:16 AM
Hey 2011's... Mr. Wolverine last night was AWESOME... I don't think I have been this in love with Michigan since preview weekend... I feel like Mr. Wolverine was like the romantic weekend getaway you take with your spouse to rekindle the flame :P

TITCR, though I didn't see you or your roomie at the afterparty.  >:(  The entire night was so much fun!

uhmm you def saw me at the after party!!!!!!!!!! --- btw, I still hold, I WAS ROBBED.  Damned anti-1L prejudicial adjudicating.

Not you, the other roommate!  ;)  I saw her after the show and she said she'd be there, but maybe I just missed her.

You were robbed.  I thought at least one 1L should have been in the top 5.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 26, 2008, 12:28:37 PM
yeah i was lame and didn't go, monserrat didn't end up going either...

ok sorry 2011's :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 26, 2008, 12:40:00 PM
that's a shame because you missed the rare occurrence of me dancing.  a lot. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 26, 2008, 12:41:19 PM
that's a shame because you missed the rare occurrence of me dancing.  a lot. 

I saw ya dancing! 

::Growls::
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 26, 2008, 12:41:31 PM
that's a shame because you missed the rare occurrence of me dancing.  a lot. 

<-- Almost wishes she had made the promised appearance.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 26, 2008, 12:49:14 PM
i got back ~3 am last night, and had to be up at around 7 for a statewide oral advocacy competition

on 0.00 (zero point zero zero) preparation, i made it to the quarterfinals.  now it's naptime and motion writing time.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 26, 2008, 12:51:21 PM
i got back ~3 am last night, and had to be up at around 7 for a statewide oral advocacy competition

on 0.00 (zero point zero zero) preparation, i made it to the quarterfinals.  now it's naptime and motion writing time.

You're a better man than me.  I went to bed at 4 and got up at 1.  I should also be motion writing, but I have no idea what the hell I'm doing!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 26, 2008, 12:53:52 PM
i'm in a bind because, while due tuesday, i want to use it as my writing sample for my interview on monday, so i'm gonna work my ass off on it tonight & tomorrow before i leave town
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 26, 2008, 01:02:40 PM
i'm in a bind because, while due tuesday, i want to use it as my writing sample for my interview on monday, so i'm gonna work my ass off on it tonight & tomorrow before i leave town

Good luck!  I know mine won't be good enough to use as a writing sample!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 26, 2008, 01:27:12 PM
oh no! I feel bad abt missing GCoop dance... but the last time I saw GCoop do something remotely resembling dancing (remember that one night at Leo's before orientation?) I took lots of pictures so it's ok :P
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 26, 2008, 01:45:51 PM
oh no! I feel bad abt missing GCoop dance... but the last time I saw GCoop do something remotely resembling dancing (remember that one night at Leo's before orientation?) I took lots of pictures so it's ok :P

Can we have a big party where we all wear masks and call each other by our LSD screen names (well, the original screen names before ya'll changed them).  Im nostalgic for the times we only e-knew each other. and uhmm..i want to see those pictures.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 26, 2008, 01:46:41 PM
that's a shame because you missed the rare occurrence of me dancing.  a lot. 

<-- Almost wishes she had made the promised appearance.

last night was DOPE, but you were missed.

i had an awesome time. 

<---danced w/ all comers. men, women, whatever.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Tetris on January 26, 2008, 03:30:19 PM
What's Mr. Wolverine and why is it so cool?
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 26, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
What's Mr. Wolverine and why is it so cool?

It's MLaw's all-male beauty pageant/variety show, otherwise known as The Gayest Show On Earth.  And it's hilarious and heartwarming, and (like Pearl) it makes me fall in love with my school all over again every year. 

See for yourself: http://www.flickr.com/photos/briancanfly/sets/72157603800282089/show/with/2221279588/
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 26, 2008, 08:06:13 PM
What's Mr. Wolverine and why is it so cool?

Don't worry... you will find out next year, when hollowman and gcoop are both in it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: goaliechica on January 26, 2008, 08:07:43 PM
What's Mr. Wolverine and why is it so cool?

Don't worry... you will find out next year, when hollowman and gcoop are both in it.

::transfer to Michigan::
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on January 27, 2008, 09:19:39 AM
Hey guys, I have a random question. Since I'm married, I'm looking at the Northwood apartments... do any of you know the general consensus about Northwood? Also, are there complexes I should try to get into/avoid? Finally, aside from the summer, how necessary is air conditioning (I noticed some Northwood apts don't have it)? Thanks for your input; this thread has been rediculously helpful.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: flyaway on January 27, 2008, 09:25:00 AM
Hey guys, I have a random question. Since I'm married, I'm looking at the Northwood apartments... do any of you know the general consensus about Northwood? Also, are there complexes I should try to get into/avoid? Finally, aside from the summer, how necessary is air conditioning (I noticed some Northwood apts don't have it)? Thanks for your input; this thread has been rediculously helpful.

There's a 2L who sometimes posts here who lives there.  I'll try to draw his attention to your question.

Also, Bouzie/Pearl should be able to answer about not having air-conditioning in the early fall. :)
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Bouzie on January 27, 2008, 09:41:01 AM
Hey guys, I have a random question. Since I'm married, I'm looking at the Northwood apartments... do any of you know the general consensus about Northwood? Also, are there complexes I should try to get into/avoid? Finally, aside from the summer, how necessary is air conditioning (I noticed some Northwood apts don't have it)? Thanks for your input; this thread has been rediculously helpful.

There's a 2L who sometimes posts here who lives there.  I'll try to draw his attention to your question.

Also, Bouzie/Pearl should be able to answer about not having air-conditioning in the early fall. :)


YOU NEED AIR CONDITIONING.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: number34 on January 27, 2008, 09:50:19 AM
YOU NEED AIR CONDITIONING.

Good tip! Thanks. I figured as much.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 27, 2008, 10:26:34 AM
You do not need air conditioning in the fall.

Summer, yes.

Fall (August 15 or so on), no.

Suck it up and buy a fan. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 27, 2008, 10:30:21 AM
Hmmm, re: air conditioning, I think we had a hotter-than-average September... it would have been nice the first few weeks but we survived. There were only a few nights where I was like "holy s***, I wish we had air conditioning." If you're deciding b/w places that do/don't have a/c, and the a/c place is significantly more expensive, then I don't think it's worth the extra price for the short amount of time that you would actually use the a/c. I would be more concerned w/ staying warm in the winter than cool during the first month of the fall semester, which is basically the only time it's hot here.

Summer starters: get a/c for sure in the place where you're staying for the summer.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: rtqw on January 27, 2008, 10:39:48 AM
Do we have anyone here deciding between Michigan and Virginia? This (http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/01/25/no-sangrias-in-virginia-for-you/) should make Michigan an easy choice for you. Sangria is available right across the street from the law school at Dominic's (with the caveat that they is closed during the winter).

On the air conditioning issue, I appreciated the window units that my landlord put in well into September - but probably not absolutely necessary. If you do have a window unit, you might consider bringing it to AA with you.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: pikey on January 27, 2008, 10:45:35 AM
I didn't have air conditioning.  I didn't even have a fan and I was perfectly fine for the most part.  Granted I'm from [island place of origin], so I probably have a higher heat/humidity tolerance (preference  ;)) than most.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: anax on January 27, 2008, 08:51:48 PM
rtqw,
 I was just wondering, what were your reasons for choosing Michigan over Columbia and NYU?  Was it mainly about the money?  Thanks
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 28, 2008, 12:07:32 PM
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Avis=C4&Dato=20080123&Kategori=NEWS&Lopenr=801230803&Ref=PH&Item=1&MaxW=470&MaxH=400&border=)



this picture just screams "innocent!"
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: monserrat on January 28, 2008, 12:11:07 PM
Hmmm, re: air conditioning, I think we had a hotter-than-average September... it would have been nice the first few weeks but we survived. There were only a few nights where I was like "holy s***, I wish we had air conditioning." If you're deciding b/w places that do/don't have a/c, and the a/c place is significantly more expensive, then I don't think it's worth the extra price for the short amount of time that you would actually use the a/c. I would be more concerned w/ staying warm in the winter than cool during the first month of the fall semester, which is basically the only time it's hot here.

Summer starters: get a/c for sure in the place where you're staying for the summer.

it's hard to answer this question right now when it is freakin freezing outside, but for two weeks the humidity was unbearable.  luckily i had gcoop make a late night fan drop off for me, but there were many instances of super cold showers in the house for moments of relief.  That said, I agree with Pearl (which by the way was my bf from high school's real name, so that's weird you chose it) that if it's more expensive or a worse place but with ac to take that out of the things you consider when renting.  (ask me again in august and i may curse myself though).
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: monserrat on January 28, 2008, 12:12:17 PM
this is so so true.  esp for you gcoop, hollowman won't be that hard to convince.  you know i can (and will) make it happen. 

What's Mr. Wolverine and why is it so cool?

Don't worry... you will find out next year, when hollowman and gcoop are both in it.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: Pearl on January 28, 2008, 01:58:52 PM
GCoop in Mr. Wolverine would be the highlight of my law school career.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 28, 2008, 02:39:04 PM
my lord...I have the worst sports fan luck these days.  My Nets are now in rectum of the NBA and UM football is tanking in the polls.  I know it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it kind of takes the edge off of my UM buzz just a tiny little bit.

 :(
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 28, 2008, 03:13:34 PM
my lord...I have the worst sports fan luck these days.  My Nets are now in rectum of the NBA and UM football is tanking in the polls.  I know it doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it kind of takes the edge off of my UM buzz just a tiny little bit.

 :(

What polls are you talking about for football?  Next year's offense is going to be a complete mystery until our recruiting class is finalized (few senior starters, etc.), but thanks to the new strength and conditioning coach, we should be flying around the field like a bunch of gleaming maize&blue death rockets.

Also, I'm a Knicks & Rangers fan as well. Blargh.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 28, 2008, 03:50:26 PM
The SI poll.  Like I said, I know it's meaningless, but it doesn't stop it from being demoralizing. 

I need to stop reading freep.  I don't know why I started reading freep.  I'm already a little sick of Terelle Pryor. 
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: hollowman988 on January 28, 2008, 04:28:25 PM
The SI poll.  Like I said, I know it's meaningless, but it doesn't stop it from being demoralizing. 

I need to stop reading freep.  I don't know why I started reading freep.  I'm already a little sick of Terelle Pryor. 

Ha, yeah, you do indeed need to stop reading Freep. Drew Sharp is a class-A dbag.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 28, 2008, 05:37:47 PM
Just so you can see the depths of my misery....Jason Kidd, my favorite player has just admitted that he's asking for a trade.



Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 28, 2008, 05:38:09 PM
but thanks to the new strength and conditioning coach, we should be flying around the field like a bunch of gleaming maize&blue death rockets.

<-- Loves jokes for his benefit.

If you're in the desert, and you have a choice between an Aston Martin with no gas and a yugo with a full tank, you take the yugo EVERY TIME!!!
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 28, 2008, 05:47:18 PM
I would take the Aston Martin.  That probably goes to the heart of my problem.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: GCoop. on January 28, 2008, 05:49:35 PM
I would take the Aston Martin.  That probably goes to the heart of my problem.

You're not going to get on very well with our new strength and conditioning coach, then.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: awesomepossum on January 28, 2008, 05:53:22 PM
I saw some clips of him.  According to reports he's very good, but on video he's very crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan Class of 2011: where you should be
Post by: ShadWhitmore on January 28, 2008, 06:13:04 PM
Quick question for current Michigan students (or those in the "know"):