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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 09:07:42 AM

Title: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 09:07:42 AM
Two LSDers try to bring peace to this conflict ... D, you in?

People are often considering both schools ... here you can ask questions about either/ both.  No fighting.  No broad statements about a school that the poster doesn't attend.  Just plain old first hand experiences as we enter finals and 1L job search time.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 21, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
Two LSDers try to bring peace to this conflict ... D, you in?

People are often considering both schools ... here you can ask questions about either/ both.  No fighting.  No broad statements about a school that the poster doesn't attend.  Just plain old first hand experiences as we enter finals and 1L job search time.

Sounds good to me.  I'll try to keep my hostile personality in check even when provoked.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 10:20:19 AM

According to this (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/10/princeton-rev-2.html), BU seems to be one of the most academically difficult schools in the country.  Do you think this is the case, and do you think BU students work significantly harder than BC students?

Do you think there are notable differences between the student bodies at the two school?  (Demographics, personality, etc)



These are the kinds of questions we really can't answer, as we only attend one of the schools.
However, I think you are drawing some overstated conclusions from the data that your provided in that link ... I mean, look at the list of schools that reported the highest number of hours spent studying ... other than CU and BU do you really think that list represents the "most academically difficult schools in the country?"  Also note that the difference in hours between #20 and #146 is only a little more than an hour.  Not a huge difference.
Be careful with princeton review surveys and stats, they seem pretty shady all around...

How much better is BU's access to Boston nightlife than BC's?  Is it possible to take a subway or anything out/back from BC?

What are the pros/cons of the location for each school?



In terms of nightlife, I don't think there is really a difference in location ... besides, you aren't going to be leaving from school (most of the time, anyways) when you go to the bars, so I don't think this is an issue.  I've met a bunch of BU kids and they all seem to live in about the same area as BC kids ... I'll bet half of our collective student bodies live on or just off of Comm Ave, which is on the B line.

For BC there are a bunch of options for housing ... you can live on Comm Ave in Brighton or Allston, or over on Beacon in Brookline.  I live in a more residential part of Brighton, right by the BC main campus and a 2 minute drive from the law campus.  Some people live in Newton, which is more suburban.  Depends on whether you have a car.
Plenty of people don't drive, though.  It is easy to hop on the T to the BC main campus and then grab the shuttle over to the law campus ... it doesn't take any longer than it would if the T ran straight to the law campus.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 10:26:31 AM
As far as studying goes, I can assure you that BC kids work pretty hard.  Personally, I probably study about 5-6 hours a day ... 2 hours over lunch, and hour or so after school and then 2-4+ (most days 4, at least) after dinner.  But it really depends on the person ... when you get to school you start to figure out how exactly to go about studying.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: waiting to be converted on November 21, 2007, 11:09:29 AM
I think you could help flesh out whether there is any substantive difference in demographics between the schools, by talking about what you see on each campus.  Cliques you've noticed, age ranges, general feel for diversity, any other noticeable trends, etc.  You won't be able to say how they're different, but we might be able to pick up on some differences through the conversation. 

I would love to hear who are the rock star professors at each school that seem to carry weight outside the campus and who are the great professors that just have a genuine passion for what they do.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Miss Z on November 21, 2007, 11:10:32 AM
*post not at all related to this thread*

hey, bamf, how's BC treating you?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: KidA23 on November 21, 2007, 11:48:25 AM
Good thread, thanks for starting.

How would each of you describe the facilities at your respective schools? I mean things like the on-campus fitness facility, the library, study areas, overall law building(s), etc...I only ask because it seems this sort of thing can vary pretty noticeably from one law school to another, and I have read that BU's facilities aren't quite what they perhaps should be considering BU's reputation as a top 25ish national law school.

Thanks in advance, I've applied to both and have scanned every BU / BC thread on these boards over the past few months.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 01:23:35 PM
I think you could help flesh out whether there is any substantive difference in demographics between the schools, by talking about what you see on each campus.  Cliques you've noticed, age ranges, general feel for diversity, any other noticeable trends, etc.  You won't be able to say how they're different, but we might be able to pick up on some differences through the conversation. 

In terms of age range I would say that the largest group is people who have been out of school 2-4 years, followed closely by the fresh from undergrad folks (me).  I'm not sure what the oldest person in he class is (there is one older guy who is a jesuit and is not taking all the classes, so I don't think he count) but there are a  number of people who are around 30, and a few with kids.
Age really doesn't matter a whole lot, though.  One of the guys with a kid was at the bar monday night. 

Cliques?  I mean, people make friends and have groups that they hang out with but I don't relly think there are "cliques."  I don't know if other schools do this, but for the first time this yeah at BC each section has class at the exact same time, so when we have hours off, or lunch off, a lot of people from differnt sections hang out together in he cafeteria.  I have some good friends in all the sections, which I was told was not really going to happen.  It is definitey a good thing to be able to have friends that you aren't constantly in class with.

If you're looking for stats on diversity I dont have them (LSAC does) but I can tell you that BC seems like a pretty "diverse" place to me ... there are really acive student groups like the Black Law Students Assoc, the Latino/a LSA, the Asia/ Pacific LSA tht do a lot of acivities. 

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 01:38:58 PM
I would love to hear who are the rock star professors at each school that seem to carry weight outside the campus and who are the great professors that just have a genuine passion for what they do.

I'm obviously not completely familiar with all of our profs but there are some great ones here.  One of the best profs I have is Zygmunt Plater, he is a great environmental law prof who has written one of the main ELaw textsand won a landmark endangered species case before SCOTUS.  For corporate law Renee Jones and Kent Greenfield have both been making waves lately (Jones keeps a blog that I believe is called "Corporate Law and Democracy" and Greenfield blogs for the Huffington Post).  Another Prof that has goten rave reviews from 1Ls that have her this year is Dr. Mary Sarah Builder ... she teaches property and legal history, and will be visiting at Harvard next semester (but has assred people she'll be staying at BC).
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Kittyl30 on November 21, 2007, 01:46:43 PM
as a very much in need of procrastination 2L at BU i can answer questions too. specially stuff 1Ls may not aren't familiar with yet such as grading, curves, the CDO and OCI
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 05:36:33 PM

How would each of you describe the facilities at your respective schools? I mean things like the on-campus fitness facility, the library, study areas, overall law building(s), etc...

There are two new buildings at BC Law (I mean, they seem new, but I guess they're about 10 years old by now) ... The Library and the East Wing.  All of my classes are in the East Wing ... it has 4 large lecture halls on the first two floors, and then two more floors of offices and smaller classrooms.  There are two other buildings, all conntected, that make up the law school ... stuart house, which is mostly smaller classrooms, offices and administration; and the Cottle Library, which I have never been in ... it used to be the law library and now houses offices and part of the main campus library collection. 
The law library is really beautiful ... I spend the majority of my day there ... I never study at home, so it is nice to have a great place to study.

The one somewhat strange thing about the law school is that a part of one of the older buildings has a cafeteria that serves the, 300? freshmen that live on the Newton campus. Upside: there is a full cafeteria right in the building; downside: there are freshmen.  But honestly you don't notice, and they dont stray into the law school (they aren't allowed to) so its not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 21, 2007, 06:43:53 PM
*post not at all related to this thread*

hey, bamf, how's BC treating you?

oh hey there Zamora!  BC is treating me just fine ... though I seem to be lacking in motivation to do the Contracts studying I told myself I would do today ... anyways, hows W&L?  Havin a good time down there?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Miss Z on November 21, 2007, 08:09:43 PM
*post not at all related to this thread*

hey, bamf, how's BC treating you?

oh hey there Zamora!  BC is treating me just fine ... though I seem to be lacking in motivation to do the Contracts studying I told myself I would do today ... anyways, hows W&L?  Havin a good time down there?

w&l is great, definitely no regrets. good school, good environment. i feel you on contracts. i made it my priority to get down to business in contracts over the break and i've not done nearly as much as i should have.

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: KidA23 on November 22, 2007, 09:08:07 AM
bamf- thanks for the response(s). I've read a ton of your posts on this board re: BC, and have always found them very helpful and insightful.

Two other questions, which I admit are kind of nebulous but I'll shoot them off anyways-

1) I've heard/read that BC's admissions department is notoriously...unpredictable, for lack of a better word. Put another way, it seems as though if there is actually is one admissions department out there that doesn't index its applicants primarily via LSAT/GPA, it's BC. I've read posts on here mentioning applicants with outstanding numbers being rejected (not waitlisted, just rejected). From what you can gather from your classmates, etc., do you get a similar feeling? That many of your compatriots have more interesting/varied backgrounds or have some 'soft' accomplishments on their resumes and not just super-high test scores?

2) I think you've answered this one million times, and I know you are a 1L, but what is your sense of biglaw placement for BC applicants? I'm going to need to take out massive loans to finance my studies and if I choose BC, I'll likely need to at least start out at a large firm to help pay this off. Do you get the sense that biglaw is an option for students in the top 25%, top 33%, top half, etc.? I'd also assume those that do pursue this track choose to do so mainly in Boston.

Thanks in advance, and thanks again for all your responses heretofore. And I'm not specifically sure which posters on here are representing BU in this discussion, but those of you who are can feel free to chime in on the above questions re: BU if you're so inclined.  :)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 22, 2007, 09:14:34 AM
How much better is BU's access to Boston nightlife than BC's?  Is it possible to take a subway or anything out/back from BC?

What are the pros/cons of the location for each school?


According to this (http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2007/10/princeton-rev-2.html), BU seems to be one of the most academically difficult schools in the country.  Do you think this is the case, and do you think BU students work significantly harder than BC students?

Do you think there are notable differences between the student bodies at the two school?  (Demographics, personality, etc)


BU is closer to downtown Boston, but most students I know hang out at bars around the law school and in Allston, due to proximity and cost.  BU's location is great, in that it's close enough to downtown and the airport, but far out enough for rent to be substantially cheaper than downtown Boston.  Allston is undergrad ghetto, but Brookline is really nice. BU campus itself, along with the law tower, is not pretty, but I guess that's common knowledge. The law tower is on the bank of the Charles river and has incredile view of Boston from the upper floors.  There is a brand new BU gym/athletic complex a few blocks from the law school.  It's supposed to be amazing, but I haven't been to the gym since school started, so I have no personal knowledge in that regard.

I think bamf's assessment as to "academic difficulty" and hours spent studying is right on.  
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 22, 2007, 09:41:50 AM
I think you could help flesh out whether there is any substantive difference in demographics between the schools, by talking about what you see on each campus.  Cliques you've noticed, age ranges, general feel for diversity, any other noticeable trends, etc.  You won't be able to say how they're different, but we might be able to pick up on some differences through the conversation. 

I would love to hear who are the rock star professors at each school that seem to carry weight outside the campus and who are the great professors that just have a genuine passion for what they do.

With regard to demographics at BU, it's probably in line of what one expects to see at most reputable schools:  mainly college grads or those with 1-3 years of work experience, apprx 50% women, approx 30% minorities.  I have been pleasantly surprised by how easygoing and friendly people are, and I find the environment more engaging with more interesting personalities than my undergrad experience.

As for professors who are leaders in their fields, the law school website is a more reliable source than me.  What I can attest to is how amazing the professors are.  I don't know how else to explain it other than comparing them to my undergrad professors at Princeton.  3 of the 4 profs I have right now are the best I have ever had, and I never thought I would ever say that. 
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 22, 2007, 04:38:24 PM
2) I think you've answered this one million times, and I know you are a 1L, but what is your sense of biglaw placement for BC applicants? I'm going to need to take out massive loans to finance my studies and if I choose BC, I'll likely need to at least start out at a large firm to help pay this off. Do you get the sense that biglaw is an option for students in the top 25%, top 33%, top half, etc.? I'd also assume those that do pursue this track choose to do so mainly in Boston.

About what % of students do you think end up with paid 1L summer jobs at big firms?

What is the rough biglaw cut-off point in the classes?  Midlaw?

The stats that CSO gave us during "get a job" orientation was about 17% of s1Ls working for firms, about 11% of that being biglaw.
Most of these will be either:
A) the major Boston firms wanting to get a 1L in their recruiting class with the hopes that this person will go back to campus and tell people what a great time he had over the summer (these are firms that hope to get multiple BC 2Ls in their summer class)
B) People going back to their hometown secondary markets, especially those without a top school nearby.

Alternately, apparently some kids get work with smaller firms after 1L, but this varies depending on the need of these smaller firms (I guess these jobs don't get offered until March or so, when most people already have jobs lined up.)

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As for 2L year, the number CSO quote us is 72% working for firms ... now I know this is not all biglaw, but from talking to 2 and 3Ls, being around the median and having a decent interview gives you a solid chance at a market job. They gave us lists of all the firms that 2Ls have gotten summer jobs with over the past 2 year and it listed just about every major firm up and down the east coast plus many top west coast firms (we seem especially strong in LA, which was interesting to me) ...

Now, you ask about "midlaw" ... from what I gather recruiting is not necessarily easier for midlaw, since many "midlaw" firms still pay market.  I don't know a whole lot about midlaw, but Boston seems to have a number of really great mid-sized firms.  A friend of mine in my section's husband is a first year at Choate Hall, which has about 250-300 lawyers and pays 160 (they're the guys who gave the summer associate offerees a video iPod) and he loves it.  Firms like these (mid sized, only 1 office, great local rep, more responsibility for young associates) love BC and BU kids, so if that is what you are looking for either schools would be a great place.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 22, 2007, 04:47:34 PM

I've heard/read that BC's admissions department is notoriously...unpredictable, for lack of a better word. Put another way, it seems as though if there is actually is one admissions department out there that doesn't index its applicants primarily via LSAT/GPA, it's BC. I've read posts on here mentioning applicants with outstanding numbers being rejected (not waitlisted, just rejected). From what you can gather from your classmates, etc., do you get a similar feeling? That many of your compatriots have more interesting/varied backgrounds or have some 'soft' accomplishments on their resumes and not just super-high test scores?

I definitely get the feeling that my classmates have a really impressive array of experiences and qualifications.  But this will probably be the case at most top schools because smart people do smart things.

I think BC is a little unpredictable simply because they get a huge amount of applicants and they like to keep their matriculation rate high.  BC does seem to favor locals from time to time ... a 164/ 3.5 from Newton or Watertown might get in while the same numbers from Delaware might get rejected.  But, to be honest, if I had a guess this will be downplayed this year.  Lets face it, BC needs to boost its admissions numbers, and they have to do it by throwing more money at higher numbered people (having a smaller class due to the increasing size of the LLM program and adding several additional faculty members to lower the S/F ratio (this number is 3, last time I knew) are other things they are doing to accomplish this) so I bet you will see some of the people with 170/ 3.8 getting accepted with money rather than waitlisted as they often seemed to be last year (if LSD/ LSN can be viewed as a decent sample size for making assumptions)

ok ok ... contracts time.  aaaaand go.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 22, 2007, 04:51:57 PM

How would each of you describe the facilities at your respective schools? I mean things like the on-campus fitness facility, the library, study areas, overall law building(s), etc...

The one somewhat strange thing about the law school is that a part of one of the older buildings has a cafeteria that serves the, 300? freshmen that live on the Newton campus. Upside: there is a full cafeteria right in the building; downside: there are freshmen.  But honestly you don't notice, and they dont stray into the law school (they aren't allowed to) so its not that big of a deal.

LOL - Yeah my friend was housed there as a freshman at BC.  I visited her and she HATED living there.  The BC frosh who are housed there hate it - they feel like they got dinged majorly but they just chill.  I kinda feel bad for them being so far removed from everyone else and not getting the nice dorms...

yeah BC is hoping to cure this soon ... I live right across from St. Johns Seminary/ the former Catholic archdiocese campus that was just bought by BC (which is right across the street from the main campus).  If the city council would quit being the HUGE anti-student a$$holes tht they are, BC would start builing new dorms today and have the freshmen off Newton campus in a year.  For anyone that ends up BC Law '11 or '12 I guarantee the freshmen will be gone by your graduation, if not mine.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: KidA23 on November 22, 2007, 04:54:02 PM
Thanks for your great feedback, bamf and others. I doubt I'll get into either of these schools, but it's always fun to learn.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nubova on November 22, 2007, 09:34:17 PM
I chose BC over BU, Vanderbilt and USC/USCLA. I loved my decision. There are only two schools with the alumni strong as ours. Notre Dame and UCLA/USC. I am happy with my decision
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 23, 2007, 06:17:33 PM
1) I've read posts on here mentioning applicants with outstanding numbers being rejected (not waitlisted, just rejected). From what you can gather from your classmates, etc., do you get a similar feeling? That many of your compatriots have more interesting/varied backgrounds or have some 'soft' accomplishments on their resumes and not just super-high test scores?

2) I think you've answered this one million times, and I know you are a 1L, but what is your sense of biglaw placement for BC applicants? I'm going to need to take out massive loans to finance my studies and if I choose BC, I'll likely need to at least start out at a large firm to help pay this off. Do you get the sense that biglaw is an option for students in the top 25%, top 33%, top half, etc.? I'd also assume those that do pursue this track choose to do so mainly in Boston.

Thanks in advance, and thanks again for all your responses heretofore. And I'm not specifically sure which posters on here are representing BU in this discussion, but those of you who are can feel free to chime in on the above questions re: BU if you're so inclined.  :)

It's a bit of a taboo among my group of friends to discuss LSAT scores and background info, so I don't have an estimate of how many people here with lower LSAT/GPA got in due to soft factors.  I don't think BU gives preference to local students, and if anything, it's the opposite.  I would say at least a third of the students are from the west coast, less than 15% are from MA and less than 20% are from New England.  If I have to pick a significant soft factor other than URM, it would be your undergrad school.  Quickly flipping through the facebook, at least 50% went to the ivies, michigan, berkeley, duke and the likes.

Regarding job placement, the general understanding is that if you're in the top 3rd, you should have no problem getting interviews and offers from biglaws in any market in the country.  If you're in the 30%-50% range, biglaw is still very viable as an option if you're good at interviewing or if you have a science background. In the lower 50%, you would have to rely more on networking and sending out targeted resumes to score biglaw positions, but it is not uncommon.  A family friend (BU grad) told me that 4 years after graduation, most people he knows from law school now work at big law or mid law mainly in NYC, DC, CA and Boston (in that order).  Seattle, and Texas are next in term of popularity.  Chicago and the Southeast are not popular with his class for some reason.  I'm from here, but ideally, I would like to work in NYC or CA for a few years before moving back to Boston.             
       
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 26, 2007, 04:38:45 PM
practice exam procrastination bump
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: brdr123 on November 26, 2007, 07:31:26 PM
Not to but in, but I go to BU and yes the work load is ridiculous at times, but I absolutely love it... the environment is very inclusive and wonderful and so far it seems like the school cares a lot about producing well-rounded lawyers.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Phlootist on November 26, 2007, 07:41:44 PM
I visited BC this summer and absolutely loved it.  I'm an AZ native but with family in Boston so I'm interested in heading there.  I've applied early notification with a 3.98/157, 164.  Do you know anything about multiple LSAT scores at BC?  I know BU's website says that take the higher score, so I am hopeful BC will do the same.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 26, 2007, 09:02:10 PM
I visited BC this summer and absolutely loved it.  I'm an AZ native but with family in Boston so I'm interested in heading there.  I've applied early notification with a 3.98/157, 164.  Do you know anything about multiple LSAT scores at BC?  I know BU's website says that take the higher score, so I am hopeful BC will do the same.

I don't know a whole lot but I would assume that like most other schools BC will take the higher LSAT.  I think you stand an excellent chance of getting in early notification (we have similar stats, and you are BC's bread abd butter applicant).  If you have any other questions let me know.  Good luck.

*returns to writing cover letters*
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Kittyl30 on November 26, 2007, 11:20:31 PM
my experience at BU has been great.  i LOOOVED all my professors and I think it helped me get motivated and do well on exams.  we had a good number of firms come to OCI ( i dont have much to compare it to though) as well as job fairs in many other cities.  the CDO is resourceful/helpful. and honestly the difference between BU and BC is pretty minimal when ti comes to job prospects. just do well at either of them and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 27, 2007, 07:19:23 AM
Is it snowing in Boston? (she said wistfully)

its actually low 60s today.  which is my kind of thing ... I hate snow.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on November 27, 2007, 07:29:27 AM
<tag> Bamf is the sole reason BC is on my application list. The kid should be a walking advertisement for the virtues of his school.

Looking to hear more about BU as well. At my firm, BU is trashtalked a lot (whether it deserves it or not). People seem to  respect the rigor at the school, but they say that the academic and social environment is uniquely cut-throat. Is this true?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on November 27, 2007, 08:11:19 AM
Is it snowing in Boston? (she said wistfully)

its actually low 60s today.  which is my kind of thing ... I hate snow.

Wow, and it's only 46 degrees here in southern PA.  All is not well with the world...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 27, 2007, 08:26:04 AM
Looking to hear more about BU as well. At my firm, BU is trashtalked a lot (whether it deserves it or not). People seem to  respect the rigor at the school, but they say that the academic and social environment is uniquely cut-throat. Is this true?

I wonder how the rumor about BU being cut-throat got started.  From my experience, as well as of many on this board, it is far from "cut-throat."  You have more type A personalities than the undergrad environment, but people are friendly and easy-going generally.  Is it more intense than undergrad?  Of course, which is both expected and wanted of an engaging legal training ground.  Are people "cut-throat" or otherwise mean or nasty?  Absolutely not.  Of course BU is my only experience as far as law school is concerned, but I can't imagine that it's much different than any comparable school for various reasons:  (i) similar caliber of students, and with that similar personalities and drives; (ii) similar class size and placement; and (iii) similar demographics.  Princeton review is not worth much because it's based on students' opinion, but there is a category on academic/classroom experience, and apparently the students here think every well of their own experience (#5).  That should mean something when the issue is about the environment.    
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on November 27, 2007, 08:28:35 AM
Looking to hear more about BU as well. At my firm, BU is trashtalked a lot (whether it deserves it or not). People seem to  respect the rigor at the school, but they say that the academic and social environment is uniquely cut-throat. Is this true?

I wonder how the rumor about BU being cut-throat got started.  From my experience, as well as of many on this board, it is far from "cut-throat."  You have more type A personalities than the undergrad environment, but people are friendly and easy-going generally.  Is it more intense than undergrad?  Of course, which is both expected and wanted of an engaging legal training ground.  Are people "cut-throat" or otherwise mean or nasty?  Absolutely not.  Of course BU is my only experience as far as law school is concerned, but I can't imagine that it's much different than any comparable school for various reasons:  (i) similar caliber of students, and with that similar personalities and drives; (ii) similar class size and placement; and (iii) similar demographics.  Princeton review is not worth much because it's based on students' opinion, but there is a category on academic/classroom experience, and apparently the students here think every well of their own experience (#5).  That should mean something when the issue is about the environment.   
How do you feel about placement options? Do people in the bottom 50% get jobs?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 27, 2007, 08:51:19 AM
 
 How do you feel about placement options? Do people in the bottom 50% get jobs?

As mentioned in a previous post, even if I end up in the bottom half, I feel comfortable with my career prospect based on my research. I probably woudl be pro-active and won't sit back and wait for on-campus firms to hand out offers to me, but I have talked to countless young alumni, and the general consensus is that it is not uncommon to see lower 50% grads in big laws in major cities.  If you don't care about big law or clerkship, and are happy with mid-law or other opportunities, then class rank apparently does not matter much.  So, to answer your question, yes, most, probably virtually all, people in the bottom 50% get jobs.  Some get big laws, most get "other laws", and some work for DA or AG offices, etc.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on November 27, 2007, 09:02:23 AM
Is it snowing in Boston? (she said wistfully)

its actually low 60s today.  which is my kind of thing ... I hate snow.

Wow, and it's only 46 degrees here in southern PA.  All is not well with the world...

It's really unseasonably warm today - the next week we'll be in the 30's-40's

Yeah, I know!  Enjoy it while it lasts!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on November 27, 2007, 09:03:19 AM
 
 How do you feel about placement options? Do people in the bottom 50% get jobs?

As mentioned in a previous post, even if I end up in the bottom half, I feel comfortable with my career prospect based on my research. I probably woudl be pro-active and won't sit back and wait for on-campus firms to hand out offers to me, but I have talked to countless young alumni, and the general consensus is that it is not uncommon to see lower 50% grads in big laws in major cities.  If you don't care about big law or clerkship, and are happy with mid-law or other opportunities, then class rank apparently does not matter much.  So, to answer your question, yes, most, probably virtually all, people in the bottom 50% get jobs.  Some get big laws, most get "other laws", and some work for DA or AG offices, etc.
Thanks man. Very informative! Now if only they would give me that acceptance... ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on November 27, 2007, 09:04:45 AM
 
 How do you feel about placement options? Do people in the bottom 50% get jobs?

As mentioned in a previous post, even if I end up in the bottom half, I feel comfortable with my career prospect based on my research. I probably woudl be pro-active and won't sit back and wait for on-campus firms to hand out offers to me, but I have talked to countless young alumni, and the general consensus is that it is not uncommon to see lower 50% grads in big laws in major cities.  If you don't care about big law or clerkship, and are happy with mid-law or other opportunities, then class rank apparently does not matter much.  So, to answer your question, yes, most, probably virtually all, people in the bottom 50% get jobs.  Some get big laws, most get "other laws", and some work for DA or AG offices, etc.
Thanks man. Very informative! Now if only they would give me that acceptance... ;)

Bamf and dullashell are making me glad that I applied to both these schools!

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on November 27, 2007, 09:05:40 AM
I know that neither of you may know this, but how is the debt for the average student coming out of these schools?  Anecdotal evidence is also fine by me...I'll take what I can get.   :P
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 27, 2007, 09:28:07 AM
I know that neither of you may know this, but how is the debt for the average student coming out of these schools?  Anecdotal evidence is also fine by me...I'll take what I can get.   :P

I might be off on this, but I think it's in the range of $85K.  On that note, there seems to be a lot of people here from $$ background ... judging merely from their apts and cars and toys.  This is by no mean empirical.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Kittyl30 on November 27, 2007, 10:24:22 AM
i got a 15k scholarship for all three years, and I'm an RA this year (free food/free housing) and will be next year (90% sure) - but i will still have approximately 85k in dept.

thats depressing.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on November 27, 2007, 11:18:53 AM
i got a 15k scholarship for all three years, and I'm an RA this year (free food/free housing) and will be next year (90% sure) - but i will still have approximately 85k in dept.

thats depressing.

35K tuition + 15K housing and minimal expenses = mininum of 50K/year

So, with scholarship and free housing for 2 years, in your case, it's 35K (1L) + 25K (2L) + 25K(3L) = 85K in loans, and that is if you're not a big spender on clothes and traveling.  Makes sense.  It could be a bit less if you use some of the extra money from 1L/2L summer to pay back loans.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on November 27, 2007, 12:32:28 PM
I know that neither of you may know this, but how is the debt for the average student coming out of these schools?  Anecdotal evidence is also fine by me...I'll take what I can get.   :P

I might be off on this, but I think it's in the range of $85K.  On that note, there seems to be a lot of people here from $$ background ... judging merely from their apts and cars and toys.  This is by no mean empirical.

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 27, 2007, 01:42:48 PM
the debt is about the same as most private top tier law schools.  I get about 10k a year in scholrships  I also take out the maximum in loans, which I'm not sure I have to do ... I think it wouldbe possible for someone to be frugal and use much less money than the loans offer you ... especiall if you don't have a car and live close to the main campus or law school.  I figure to be in about 100-120k in debt when I graduate, perhaps less depndngon my 1 and 2L jobs.  If you work at a firm both summers you could take a 50-60k chunk out of those loans, which would be sweet.

The debt is daunting but it is a fact of life for many people who look to go into lucrative professions  Just think, doctors graduate with 200k or more, and then get paid sh!t for the first few years.

If nothing else, thinking about the debt keeps me in the library.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on November 27, 2007, 02:20:58 PM
Looking to hear more about BU as well. At my firm, BU is trashtalked a lot (whether it deserves it or not). People seem to  respect the rigor at the school, but they say that the academic and social environment is uniquely cut-throat. Is this true?

You have more type A personalities than the undergrad environment, but people are friendly and easy-going generally.  Is it more intense than undergrad?  Of course, which is both expected and wanted of an engaging legal training ground.  Are people "cut-throat" or otherwise mean or nasty?  Absolutely not.
(i) similar caliber of students, and with that similar personalities and drives; (ii) similar class size and placement; and (iii) similar demographics.

This cannot be stated enough, and it is important for several reasons.
I come from a hugs-and-kisses, touchy-feely undergrad ... whatever might be said about BC as the "dsneyland of law schools" or whatever, the fact is that you are in law school.  The topics are intense, the professors are intense and the students are intense.  We're talking 250 highly motivated people who are just as smart as you and who know that their grades during the first year are really important to the next 5-7 years of their life.

The horror stories that you hear from "back in the day" (which was a wdnesday, by the way...) mainly seem to revolve around books in the library.  Well, I've got something to tell you about books in the library ... they are USELESS thee days ... especially for 1L.  For my legal writing class I did everything on Westlaw (which is SO much better tha lexis, I dont know why anyone waste their time with that crap).  The only way someone could have sabotaged me would have been by changing my password or something ...
And as far as other stuff goes, if you are nice to people they will be nice to you.  The few times I have missed class people have offered me notes, and I have done the same for others ... but again, technology has made life so easy ... i you miss class just go look up the brief online to make sure you got all the relevant points of law from it.
And outlines ... I've heard complaints from past law students about kids getting the good outlines from older students and not sharing ... well, at BC there are two different websites run by students that havea cache of old outlines that you can use as a starting point, so everone is basically onn the same page if they want to be.

So yeah, unless someone from HLS or Chicago or something wants to chime in here, I really feel that the heyday of law school cut-throat-ness has long passed.
But there are gunners.  Always have been and always will be.  If all you did wa sit in on a single class at any certain school you run the risk of being there on a day when the gunners are especially vocal or unusually quiet ... this could strangely shape your perception of a school, so make sure to talk to many students at the schools you are considerng about the general classroom atmosphere.

OK I really need to get back to school.
Hang in there, LSD ... the big wave of pre-christmas acceptances are coming soon.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Kittyl30 on November 27, 2007, 10:34:02 PM
am i the only one who thinks that the budget is awful and theres no way anyone could take out less? maybe its just cuz i spend too much but they really really make you live to the wire and i take out the max. if my mom didnt pay my cell bill for/ buy me new clotehs every once in awhile and put money in my account if i desperately needed a hundred dollars i think i would be completely broke

that said, i went straight into law school with ZERO savings- meaning my ONLY source of money at all is from loans. i also dont use credit cards- every thing i pay for goes straight from my account.  I had an unpaid internship this past summer and lived off of my school's public interest grant which also left me very little spending money but luckily i live in NYC and lived there for free during my 1L summer.

i also do not (and i dont think will EVER ) cook. so i prob spend more then i should on food. 

my point is, i just dont see how people can live off the budge they allocate you- much less LESS then that budge.  maybe i dont see it b/c as an RA my food/housing was already subtracted so all i have left are "personal expenses" and apparently what i consider "personal expenses" cost a little more then 200 bucks a month...

i hate being broke. it makes me sad.

my point is i feel like im drowning in being roke.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on December 03, 2007, 08:39:39 PM
preemptive bump in hopes that either BU or BC will accept me soon...

I hear ya, buddy. 

Early notification envelopes will be sent soon!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on December 03, 2007, 09:23:58 PM
thanks for digging this up ... I've got to go away for finals but when I come back I hope to see that a ton of people have been accepted and have a lot of questions ... I mean, what else would I do over break? ...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 04, 2007, 05:55:56 AM
Does anyone know when these two schools start looking at apps?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on December 04, 2007, 09:16:20 AM
Does anyone know when these two schools start looking at apps?

EA decisions from BC are supposed to be back next Thursday
What about regular decision?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Meliss1086 on December 04, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
Does anyone know when these two schools start looking at apps?

EA decisions from BC are supposed to be back next Thursday
What about regular decision?

When I visited the people we talked to alluded to early January.
He said they do EA, then take a short Holiday break and get right back to it.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: RockShox007 on December 04, 2007, 11:19:42 AM
Does anyone know when these two schools start looking at apps?

EA decisions from BC are supposed to be back next Thursday
What about regular decision?

When I visited the people we talked to alluded to early January.
He said they do EA, then take a short Holiday break and get right back to it.




That would be amazing..... winter break is going to be soooooo long.  Wishing I would've been more organized and done EA.......
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on December 04, 2007, 03:30:01 PM
Taking a break from studying ...  Am I the only one here who still feel completely unprepared for finals, and yet a little burnt out from studying? 
 
On an related note, if I were ever to become Princeton Review's GC, I would direct my underlings to tweak the data and place BC last in every ranking.  Kidding, of course.  But this motivates me to get my a$s back to the library.

  http://www.bu.edu/law/communications/nealwinneg.html
   
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on December 04, 2007, 06:31:09 PM
Writing a paper for the majority of the night/morning. Feel free to chime in with questions if you'd like.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on December 04, 2007, 07:00:17 PM
There's an ABA upper level writing requirement: http://bc.edu/schools/law/services/academic/programs/curriculum/guide.html#writing

It can get satisfied a lot of ways, but I'm completing it via a seminar (25-30 pages).

How often one goes out tends to be a product of the time of year. Beginning of semester is usually a full social calendar, continually dwindling until finals, and then a bash at the end of them.

Job competition is what it is. Everyone has loans and a need to pay them off, but I've never felt that I was competing against my peers. It's hard to describe, but you really feel like you're competing against yourself in the job search process.

I'd say top 1/3 to top 1/2 have a decent shot at BIGLAW, but I know plenty of folks below the median who have gotten market paying jobs. A lot of it can be a crapshoot, but the higher your grades and membership on a journal, the more likely you are to get screening interviews, which gives you better odds at callbacks and offers.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on December 16, 2007, 09:57:25 AM
Bump in anticipation of EA acceptances tomorrow...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on December 16, 2007, 07:18:41 PM
I really hope I get the letter tomorrow morning.

ummmm... you are already in at Gtown, Cornell, Vandy, UT, and UCLA.  I could not imagine why you would be anxiously anticipating a BC acceptance.  Congrats on already dominating this year's cycle...

hey now, this is (halfway, anyways) a BC thread, if you want to discourage people from coming here do so elsewere please.
lets just say that IMHO, taking BC over any of those schools is in no way crazy, and if you intend to work in Boston it is almost common sense, especially if you get money.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on December 19, 2007, 05:49:41 AM
Bump this up for accepted students like me!  I think I've asked pretty much every question there is except this one:  I got somethign about graduate student housing in my admissions packet today?  Do people live in this, or do they tend to find their own places?

BC seems so awesome (I think if I attended I would probably have to get rid of one of my shirts called "BC: Backup College" though...)

"graduate housing" is just a bunch of apartment buildings that BC recently bought.  They charge a lot for them, so frankly I dont think they're worth it ... but if you can't make it to boston before school starts or you don't want to have to find yourself a roommate they're not bad.  you can find better places, though, in my opinion.

anyways, congrats to everyone who got in EA.
Finals are done, I'm emerging from a two day binge, and still have positive thoughts about law school ... so I've got plenty of time to answer questions ...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Ilovecheese on December 19, 2007, 09:04:57 AM
Bamf, what made you pick BC over BU?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on December 19, 2007, 11:54:43 AM
Bamf, what made you pick BC over BU?

Bamf - You know I'm waiting for your answer.  :D
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on December 19, 2007, 12:26:52 PM
Bamf,

    Does BC typically give $ in their acceptance letters, like ND, or do they usually wait until later in the cylce? I'm not overly confident about getting much if any, I'm just curious.

I think BAMF skipped this one...

Scholarship money comes out later in the cycle. Some people view BC as "stingy" because they don't hand out cash up front like some other schools do (ND, GW, and BU all fall into this category). BC makes its decisions on $$$ later on, and seem to have a preference for people that would actually come if some aid were given. I think I was very explicit in what role aid would have in my decision, and received my scholarship less than a week later.

All of this is by way of saying that if you really want to go there, and have the index score I think you have, you should be able to negotiate.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on December 20, 2007, 07:53:14 AM
Bamf,

    Does BC typically give $ in their acceptance letters, like ND, or do they usually wait until later in the cylce? I'm not overly confident about getting much if any, I'm just curious.

I think BAMF skipped this one...

Scholarship money comes out later in the cycle. Some people view BC as "stingy" because they don't hand out cash up front like some other schools do (ND, GW, and BU all fall into this category). BC makes its decisions on $$$ later on, and seem to have a preference for people that would actually come if some aid were given. I think I was very explicit in what role aid would have in my decision, and received my scholarship less than a week later.

All of this is by way of saying that if you really want to go there, and have the index score I think you have, you should be able to negotiate.

yeah sorry ... didn't get my money offer until March, I believe ...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on December 20, 2007, 07:55:45 AM
Bamf, what made you pick BC over BU?

Bamf - You know I'm waiting for your answer.  :D

haha yeah the biggest reason I picked BC was the environmental law program and journal ... and maybe the facilities.  Other than that the placement and other stuff seemed pretty similar to my 0L self. 
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: rolls on December 20, 2007, 08:24:28 AM
I just got my acceptance from BC on Tuesday and am waiting for a response from BU...I've been watching this thread! Just wanted to say thanks for all the info ;D
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: tashakies on February 13, 2008, 11:31:21 AM
Anyone receive scholarship notifications from BC yet?
I emailed my "would totally go if offered money" letter and my letter from wustl to negotitate two weeks ago but havent heard anything since. Also, did anyone apply to the Public law scholarship and hear back?

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: rolls on February 13, 2008, 12:02:52 PM
Anyone receive scholarship notifications from BC yet?
I emailed my "would totally go if offered money" letter and my letter from wustl to negotitate two weeks ago but havent heard anything since. Also, did anyone apply to the Public law scholarship and hear back?



Yeah, I got a scholarship offer last week. It was a pleasant surprise.Now BU is going to have to give me some incentive (though I think I am favoring BU a bit right now absent money considerations).
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: tashakies on February 14, 2008, 03:12:00 PM
Bamf, thanks for your helpful info on BC. Im totally attending the school only if they would give me some money!

Anyways, can you tell me if students study in groups or mostly by themselves? Im thinking the more collegiate, the more students would be willing to study in groups but I could be very wrong :)
Thanks!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 18, 2008, 05:13:28 AM
Hey Tash,

The study group thing is really a personal preference. If you want to form one early, you can always find some other folks in your section that will want to meet.

My approach was to have a study partner that worked on outlines throughout the semester with me. Though we may have had less voices in the conversation, this worked well for us since we had more of a chance to think things through on our own, and less opportunity to go off on tangents. We did include more folks during the reading period to go over old exams, which was helpful for spotting issues.

Some study groups grow to numbers that are unwieldy and then devolve into gossip/jokefests. That said, if you think you work better in larger numbers, go for it.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: radiotank on February 18, 2008, 10:42:12 AM
Hi nukelaw, thanks for answering questions. I'm in at BC. I wanted to ask about the social scene (lame question I know, but the schools I'm deciding on are pretty much equal academically). Would you say BC has closer knit students that hang out together more often than a typical urban law school? Or is it hard to say given that you obviously haven't been a student at other law schools :). And do a lot of BC Law students live near Harvard Ave. and hang out in the bars there?

A more law-related question, how do the job prospects look at BC these days? Are most graduates staying in Boston, with a few going to NYC and DC? Any idea what % are getting BigLaw?  Thanks so much.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on February 18, 2008, 03:31:48 PM
For the BC student:

For those students who are not into biglaw, what kinds of places do they go? I have been accepted to BC and would eventually like to work for the Federal gov. I hear a lot about Boston firm connections, but not much else. Thoughts?



Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: tashakies on February 18, 2008, 08:01:27 PM

A more law-related question, how do the job prospects look at BC these days? Are most graduates staying in Boston, with a few going to NYC and DC? Any idea what % are getting BigLaw?  Thanks so much.

I would also love to know more about this.. and also the job prospects for those in the bottom half of the class... are they still able to get midlaw jobs in Boston thanks to its reputation in the area?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on February 19, 2008, 08:20:30 AM
Nuke is probably off somewhere glorious for our spring vacation, so I'll take a stab at answering some of these.

Hi nukelaw, thanks for answering questions. I'm in at BC. I wanted to ask about the social scene (lame question I know, but the schools I'm deciding on are pretty much equal academically). Would you say BC has closer knit students that hang out together more often than a typical urban law school? Or is it hard to say given that you obviously haven't been a student at other law schools :). And do a lot of BC Law students live near Harvard Ave. and hang out in the bars there?

I think the social atmosphere at BC is one of our greatest strengths.  After speaking with many friends at different law schools, I definitely think we have a closer group of students than most schools.  There are frequently school related events (e.g. "Bar reviews," where there is an official bar we all go out too) but we also alway go out together on our own.  I hang out with my law school friends at every opportunity, which means every weekend and often going out on weekdays too (I am a 2L now, I get to live a little).  On a cool side note, last year, one of our classmates rented out an entire bar for us and we had an open bar all night on the night we finished our 1l Finals.

Why does BC have such a close knit student body...I think it is for two reasons.  1) Unlike schools located in a more urban setting, BC Laws actual buildings are in a more suburban area. Therefore, people have to travel to get to school (car, T, etc).   So, in between classes, people do not leave school. They stick around, eat lunch together, study together, etc.  At schools in a more urban location, it is more likely for them to leave the physical premises between classes since they are more likely walking distance to their homes.  Spending all that extra time together leads to more bonding and a closer group of friends  2) BC is known as a place with very friendly students (We are nicknamed the "disneyland of law schools" in Princeton review).  So, this leads to self-selection.   The people who want to go to a place that is very friendly and social come to BC, those who care less about that and maybe care more about some other factor (e.g. an urban location) go to a different school.   I am happy with my choice! 

As for living on Harvard ave, some students live in that area, but I wouldn't say the majority.  More live in the Cleveland circle, Washington square area, since it is a bit closer.  However, we go out to those bars ALL the time.  It is only like a 5-10 min T ride for most people, so that area is a favorite of most.

A more law-related question, how do the job prospects look at BC these days? Are most graduates staying in Boston, with a few going to NYC and DC? Any idea what % are getting BigLaw?  Thanks so much.

Here are some stats from the class of 2006.  http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/career/statistics.html
I have no idea how representative it is of a typical BC law class.  It looks like a good % go to big law (which certainly seems true every yr).  I would guess that the #s are a little lower than normal on the NY/DC %s (assuming those are both counted in the midatlantic region).  20% is a good amount, but based on my class, I would guess the #s to be more in the 25-33%.  NY and to some extent, DC, are very big destinations for BC grads.  A ton of people go to the NY job fair, and most were quite succesful.

For the BC student:

For those students who are not into biglaw, what kinds of places do they go? I have been accepted to BC and would eventually like to work for the Federal gov. I hear a lot about Boston firm connections, but not much else. Thoughts?


According to those same stats, about 14% went to PI and govt work from the class of 06.  That is a pretty good amount.  I know we have PI/Gov job fairs, and we definitely have connections throughout the government in Massachusetts (my bro-in-law works in the Mass AGs and they call it the "BC Mafia" because we dominate it)  Unfortunately, I am one of those typical lawfirm guys, so I can't be of too much more help.   Maybe someone else can help more on this one.

... and also the job prospects for those in the bottom half of the class... are they still able to get midlaw jobs in Boston thanks to its reputation in the area?

Students in the middle of the class can get midlaw, even big law jobs.  It can be more difficult and result in some legwork, networking, etc, but it definitely can happen.   It is harder for those in the bottom of the class (well below the median) but you are going to find that at any school outside of the T14.  If you do not do well, it is just hard to market yourself, especially in this ailing economy.   BC does make efforts to try and help students not in the top of their class, such as including 20% (or maybe 25%) lottery spots during OCI (so those spots are filled by students who did not make the grade cut, but still get to interview with the firms).   I know  a good amount of people who did not have the grade reqs, but got interviews through lottery and then impressed them enough to get job offers.  All in all, the job prospects for our students seems to be very healthy (see Princeton reviews top 5 ranking).

Any more q's?  Fire away!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on February 19, 2008, 01:57:02 PM
thank you for the thorough reply. On a more banal note re:BC, is there a gym on campus? If so, how is it? If not, where do students go to keep healthy?

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on February 19, 2008, 03:21:58 PM
I will be a seemingly ancient 28 in August 2008. At BC, would I have many peers within striking distance of my age? I know the average age is 24 but it's hard to tell anything from that.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: RockShox007 on February 19, 2008, 07:12:13 PM
Stuje,

I'm sure this is somewhere on the website but I can't seem to find it: What exactly is the normal cutoff for OCI (not including the lottery you were talking about before)?? Thanks.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on February 19, 2008, 08:25:59 PM

I'm not at BC (yet) but I looked at the admissions packet pretty carefully.  Apparently there is a sort of standard gym w/ weight and cardio machines right on the LS campus, and there's also a big rec center on the UG campus, but that costs money to join.  The law school gym is free as far as I could tell.

Right on the $.  There is a small gym on the law school campus.  It is not very good, but it is something (and free).  There is also a gym on the UG that you indeed have to pay for, but i am pretty sure it is relatively cheap (cheaper then a gym you would have to pay for in the city)

I will be a seemingly ancient 28 in August 2008. At BC, would I have many peers within striking distance of my age? I know the average age is 24 but it's hard to tell anything from that.

28 is by no means old at BC.  Granted a good amount are straight from, or a few years out of UG.  but, With the exception of the few people who are in the 40-60 age range with a family, there is no clear age division at school.   No one really pays much attention, and everyone hangs out together (for example, two close friends of mine that hang out: one is 23 and one is 31). 

Stuje,

I'm sure this is somewhere on the website but I can't seem to find it: What exactly is the normal cutoff for OCI (not including the lottery you were talking about before)?? Thanks.

Hard to say there is a"normal" cut off.  Every firm is different.  Only the very top firms  put an official cut off, but some have an "unofficial/non-written" cut off.   For the very top firms, you may see cut offs of top 20% to top 33%.   People can still apply even if they say there is a cut off, but the firm might ignore it.  The grade cut offs are the same at similarly ranked schools.  In fact, we do all of our off campus job fairs with BU and some other really good schools (Texas, Northwestern, Duke), so this info might not be too helpful in comparing job prospects at similar schools (BU and BC are VERY comparable on job prospects...I would not say that is a factor that distinguishes the two schools)

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: radiotank on February 19, 2008, 09:22:57 PM
Stuje1, your answers to my questions have been extremely helpful, thank you so much for your time. I'm leaning heavily towards BC right now after reading your responses. I'm psyched up! The close-knit community sounds really cool, and I love the Harvard Ave. bars :). Sounds like the law school I'm looking for.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 07:41:10 AM
Nuke is probably off somewhere glorious for our spring vacation, so I'll take a stab at answering some of these.

Nah, just running errands and finally making it to the library to catch up on reading. Guess how that's going.  ;)

Stuje, as always, has given some robust responses to the questions while I was away. I'll just add some thoughts where I might be able to contribute.

A more law-related question, how do the job prospects look at BC these days? Are most graduates staying in Boston, with a few going to NYC and DC? Any idea what % are getting BigLaw?  Thanks so much.

I would say BC is a traditional regional school that has become more national in recent years. I have plenty of friends spending this summer (and last) on the West Coast. Others were picking up offers in Miami, Chicago, or the other major markets where we traditionally have off-campus job fairs.

The first class to be affected by the downturn in the economy is this year's 2L's. Abovethelaw and others have reported cutbacks on summer hiring, as well as the freeze in base salaries for 1st year associates at $160k. With that said, no one has an idea how all of this is going to play out.

You can't say you're in a recession until you have two consecutive quarters of negative economic growth. In other words, you've already been in a recession for six months by the time you announce it. I think most people agree we're there. This affects the big dollar M&A deals on the corporate side, because there's less credit being lent by banks to finalize these deals. The limited pockets of layoffs at the large firms to date have been in practices that are heavily leveraged in volatile markets like mortgage-backed securities.

The one good thing about the birth of the megafirm in recent years is that almost all of the Vault 100/Amlaw 100 firms are diversified behemoths. For example, if you're at a Wall Street White Shoe firm, your corporate side might be tanking right now, but you're litigation is picking up. This is both from contract breaches in complex civil litigation, as well as white collar criminal/securities investigations resulting from the sub-prime debacle. The legal market is cyclical in some ways, so the big firms should be well-grounded for any economic downturn.

For the BC student:

For those students who are not into biglaw, what kinds of places do they go? I have been accepted to BC and would eventually like to work for the Federal gov. I hear a lot about Boston firm connections, but not much else. Thoughts?


I was in the federal government in DC for five years before coming to law school. I agree with Stuje that BC does a good job of placing in state and local government throughout New England. If you want to work in the administrative bureaucracy of DC, I'd tell you to go to G-town PT or GW above BC, but BC above all the other Beltway schools. We still get on-campus recruiting from the honors programs at places like NRC, but the DC market is a tough one to crack and the mid-curve student at a local school with more alums will have more access than BC would.

... and also the job prospects for those in the bottom half of the class... are they still able to get midlaw jobs in Boston thanks to its reputation in the area?

I think midlaw is very doable coming out of BC. Partly this is because of reputation, but moreso it's because of the strength of the alumni network. People are proud to say they went to BC for any degree. Maybe it's the sports teams that foster the sense of community, but I never felt anywhere near this sense of inclusiveness when I was getting my MA at Georgetown.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 07:47:24 AM
I will be a seemingly ancient 28 in August 2008. At BC, would I have many peers within striking distance of my age? I know the average age is 24 but it's hard to tell anything from that.

As an elder statesman that reached the ancient age of 28 last month, I can tell you that you'll be in good company. I started at 26 and found lots of folks that had been out for a while. There were a good number of military veterans who completed their service after graduating from one of the academies. There were also just a lot of folks that had other careers and left them behind for the JD to enter a new field or to improve their marketability in their old one. The oldest student in my 1L section was a cardiologist that had a teenage daughter she brought to class on some days.

There are also a couple of student organizations that cater to non-traditionals -- one for students with children and another for married students.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 07:53:42 AM
are you going to answer my question as to what you're doing this summer?  did you answer that somewhere i missed?  thanks.

You were next on my list!  ;D

I had three offers at firms that I attained through fall recruiting. One was an Amlaw 100 in Boston. Another was a regional firm in Providence. The third, where I accepted the offer, is a mid-Vault 100 satellite office in Boston.

To comment on an earlier questions about cutoffs, apply everywhere. The firm I ended up at posted a "preference" for top 15% and law review. I am not on any journal, and was definitely not top 15%. Some firms will have hard GPA cutoffs or journal requirements, but these are rarely, if ever, posted. Do the best you can first year, enter the journal write-on competition, and then network your butt off all summer trying to get ins at firms. Almost every firm I received a screening interview or callback from began with an informational interview with a BC alum in July.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 08:03:59 AM
just wanted to make sure the NAAC president emeritus was doing alright.  :)

NAAC members thrive in situations of adversity. They live life on a tight rope.  ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on February 20, 2008, 01:42:14 PM
Thank you again for taking time to respond so thoroughly.

A couple of things:

1) Why do you say the DC market is a tough one to crack (I ask because it's a place I'd like to work after graduation). In a related matter, is it accurate to say that in order to land a good job in a place outside boston, you need to finish higher than if you wanted to stay in Boston? Meaning, is it only the top students who get offers in D.C., etc.?

Thank you again. You guys are doing a good job selling your school, btw.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on February 20, 2008, 02:54:46 PM
can you stand one more question:

How does the LRAP program compare to other similarly ranked schools?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Ilovecheese on February 20, 2008, 03:48:04 PM
Are prospects on NY employment similar inn both schools, or is BU better?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 04:46:42 PM
Thank you again for taking time to respond so thoroughly.

A couple of things:

1) Why do you say the DC market is a tough one to crack (I ask because it's a place I'd like to work after graduation). In a related matter, is it accurate to say that in order to land a good job in a place outside boston, you need to finish higher than if you wanted to stay in Boston? Meaning, is it only the top students who get offers in D.C., etc.?

Thank you again. You guys are doing a good job selling your school, btw.

I think DC is tough for many people. It's a relatively small legal market in comparison to NYC, and many people that go to law school dream of going there because of an interest in policy and/or politics. This means the T-14 are well represented in the area. Additionally, there are a number of good law schools inside the beltway (G-town, GW, GMU, American, U of MD), plus some good feeders within the region (UVA, W&M, W&L). All of this results in the truism that DC has the most lawyers per capita than any other city in the world.

Personally, I had a couple of callbacks at DC firms, but didn't pick up an offer down there.

I agree with the statement that you have to get better grades if you want the flexibility of other markets. This doesn't mean that you can't get a job outside of Boston/NYC, it's just that those two markets provide the most recruiting at OCI because of our geographic proximity and alumni network (as well as sheer size in the case of NYC). It's a game of numbers. Because we have more access to those markets, a lower GPA has a better shot at interviews/callbacks/offers.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 04:57:50 PM
can you stand one more question:

How does the LRAP program compare to other similarly ranked schools?

No problem, especially for one that is close to my heart as a former civil servant.

LRAP at BC is detailed at: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/career/public/lra.html

I think the $55k/$60k salary cap is on the generous side compared to some other programs. In past years, my understanding is that if you qualified, and you applied, you got LRAP no questions asked. This meant that there was an equal disbursement of funds among all recipients, so people were in the $5k to $7k range annually. This might not be a huge piece of change compared to G-town or Harvard's LRAP programs, but considering the relative size of endowments, BC puts their money where their mouth is and supports PI. This program is also still in its infancy and has been improving each year.

If you know you want to go into PI from the start, I'd also highly recommend applying for the PI scholarships: http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/law/lwsch/publicservice01.html The larger one pays 2/3 of tuition each year, while the smaller one is $6k/yr.

Finally, I'd also keep track of the federal version of LRAP in the form of the CCRAA which goes active in July 2009. Equal Justice Works has the most useful site I've seen on the topic with links to all the major info: http://www.equaljusticeworks.org/resource/ccraa
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 05:08:14 PM
Are prospects on NY employment similar inn both schools, or is BU better?

Honestly, NYC is a toss-up. It's a huge market. Some people used to say that BU was better placed in the NYC market because BC kids stayed in New England and took up all the jobs.

The reality is that BC and BU are both part of the Law School Consortium (as Stuje alluded to earlier). As a result, they take part in the same NYC off-campus job fair and receive offers in similar numbers. For more info on LSC, see: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/career/jobsearch/recruitguide/offcampusdirect.html
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 20, 2008, 05:11:46 PM
BC is looking like my most likely choice these days...


1) Where do law students live?

2) Do they tend to have roommates or live alone 1L?

3) Should I bring my car?


1) Brighton/Allston primarily, but I've seen folks scattered across Boston, especially during 2L or 3L year when they know the town better and can control their class schedule. Personally, I live in Newton about a mile from the school.

2) Personal preference. A lot of folks just show up to the housing fair during the big admitted student open house and find a roommate/apartment in the same day. I think roommates are a much more economical decision since you'll almost pay the same amount for a 2BR v. a 1BR.

3) Yes. There's plenty of parking both on-campus, as well as on the streets (if you know how to parallel park...if you don't, you can learn it pretty fast).
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on February 20, 2008, 05:49:30 PM
I sincerely appreciate all the time that has been put into the responses....it is obvious you guys like your school, and it is all extremely helpful in this stressful decision making time.

I hope this doesn't violate any cross-posting etiquette (this is another thread as well), but....I'm deciding between Brooklyn Law School with a hefty scholarship vs. BC. As I mentioned earlier, I am interested in government/public international law (in which I have substantial experience). Care to sell me on why I should choose BC:)? I am not expecting any money from them.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: radiotank on February 20, 2008, 09:38:41 PM
nukelaw, thanks so much for your responses to my questions. Stuje1 and you have pretty much sold me on BC. Not only did I like what I read in your answers, but just the fact that you answered our multiple questions so thoroughly means that you guys are the kinds of people I'd like to have as fellow law students. I want to be a part of the BC Law crowd, it just seems like a great place to be. As lurker said, you guys are doing a great job selling the school.

I have one other question if you don't mind. I read earlier in the thread (I think from a few months ago), I think it was bamf who said that BC has surprisingly good reach into the LA market (or at least relatively good, considering the two cities are as far apart as can possibly be in the US). I'm curious to know if you have seen this as well? The four cities I'd like to live in are New York, DC, Boston, and LA, so if this is really the case, BC seems like the ideal place for me. How do these students go about getting an LA job? Do LA firms actually come to BC for on campus interviews? Or is it more that the students are seeking out LA and there are a few BC partners out there, helping them with a good chance at an interview?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: radiotank on February 20, 2008, 09:48:32 PM
I sincerely appreciate all the time that has been put into the responses....it is obvious you guys like your school, and it is all extremely helpful in this stressful decision making time.

I hope this doesn't violate any cross-posting etiquette (this is another thread as well), but....I'm deciding between Brooklyn Law School with a hefty scholarship vs. BC. As I mentioned earlier, I am interested in government/public international law (in which I have substantial experience). Care to sell me on why I should choose BC:)? I am not expecting any money from them.

Lurker, if you don't mind, I'd like to provide my two cents here. I think in regards to any career, you have to strongly consider the "name factor" when it comes to your university. While BC will certainly pile up the debt compared with Brooklyn, I think your job opportunities from BC (especially in Washington, where I'm pretty sure Brooklyn has zero pull) would instantly outweigh the cost difference. Coming from BC I think you'd have more jobs to choose from (at least more than from Brooklyn), so you'd be more likely to be able to choose the job you really want. It's not all about the money, you want to be doing what you really want to do. Student loans are paid over such a long period of time, keep that in mind. I think you would regret turning down BC come job-seeking time. Just my two cents, and obviously just a guess really, since I'm not in law school. And let me just say that I lived in DC for a few years, and while I'm sure the lawyers in DC have heard of Brooklyn Law, most everyone else in the city hasn't. Everyone knows Boston College. That could be a factor if you try to get a job at some government agency and perhaps not all those involved in the hiring decisions are lawyers. In DC you'll be fighting against resumes from GW and Georgetown; you'll have a much better chance if you're competing with a Boston College degree rather than Brooklyn Law. It's competition, it's all about who you are going up against.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: tashakies on February 21, 2008, 01:14:17 AM
nukelaw, thanks so much for your responses to my questions. Stuje1 and you have pretty much sold me on BC. Not only did I like what I read in your answers, but just the fact that you answered our multiple questions so thoroughly means that you guys are the kinds of people I'd like to have as fellow law students. I want to be a part of the BC Law crowd, it just seems like a great place to be. As lurker said, you guys are doing a great job selling the school.

I have one other question if you don't mind. I read earlier in the thread (I think from a few months ago), I think it was bamf who said that BC has surprisingly good reach into the LA market (or at least relatively good, considering the two cities are as far apart as can possibly be in the US). I'm curious to know if you have seen this as well? The four cities I'd like to live in are New York, DC, Boston, and LA, so if this is really the case, BC seems like the ideal place for me. How do these students go about getting an LA job? Do LA firms actually come to BC for on campus interviews? Or is it more that the students are seeking out LA and there are a few BC partners out there, helping them with a good chance at an interview?

thanks Nukelaw.. you made me fall in love with the school without even visiting it!
I am curious about BC grads going out to LA too- Are the firms that come out from the West coast Biglaw firms that require you to be at least top 30%? What about for those bottom half of the class? It seems that BC opens many many great doors for those fortunate to graduate top of the class but what about the rest majority? Very well qualified individuals come to BC but unfortunately, half the class has to graduate the bottom half of their class, a quarter of that even lower. Any hope for those people on the West coast or even in New England in general?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 21, 2008, 04:26:30 AM
RE: West Coast placement questions

First off, the best advice I can give you is that if you're not going to a truly national law school (T-14 minus Cornell and possibly some others), go to the best school in the market you want to end up in.

If you're on the higher end of BC's admit numbers, you probably could sneak in to a UCLA or USC, which would be a better bet for West Coast placement. If you're on the lower end, UC-Davis, and possibly even UC-Hastings, could be safer options if geography is your number one concern (and it should be among your top ones). Do not underestimate how hard it is to lateral into a different market. Unless you're at a top firm, you may not have the credentials that let you shop a name at a market distant from your own.

That said, I do think our numbers, anecdotally, have been rising on the West Coast, primarily because we're getting more students from the West Coast. These people are finding jobs in their home markets out of BC, but I don't know how much of that is because of connections back to those markets.

If you're unsure where you want to end up geographically and want the flexibility of going to any of the diverse markets you mention, the best advice I can give is to retake the LSAT under the new policy and reapply in the next cycle to the T-14. If you think you'd be happy in the Northeast, I think there are plenty of schools in the T-25 that can place you in their local market plus NYC. Choose the one with the best placement statistics in the market of your choice. In cases with similar placement numbers (i.e. - BC/BU), go with your gut/financial aid package.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 21, 2008, 04:39:04 AM
how much would a typical 1br run for?

1K? 1.2k?

I won't be able to make it to the BC admitted students thing.


(thanks for your help!)

Check Craig's List and look in Brighton/Allston. Anything along Comm. Ave will have access to the Green Line of the T and put you in close proximity to most students.

I'd also look on the BC Grad Student Listings: http://www.bc.edu/offices/reslife/offcampus/listings.html

This is where I found my apartment that I've lived for the past two years. It tends to be BC alum owners trying to rent to current BC grad students.

As for finding a roommate, I think admissions sets up a bulletin board for admitted students. Some folks just found roomies that way without meeting them ahead of time.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 21, 2008, 04:45:47 AM

thanks Nukelaw.. you made me fall in love with the school without even visiting it!
I am curious about BC grads going out to LA too- Are the firms that come out from the West coast Biglaw firms that require you to be at least top 30%? What about for those bottom half of the class? It seems that BC opens many many great doors for those fortunate to graduate top of the class but what about the rest majority? Very well qualified individuals come to BC but unfortunately, half the class has to graduate the bottom half of their class, a quarter of that even lower. Any hope for those people on the West coast or even in New England in general?


There's always hope, the question is how much. Most West Coast recruiting is done through off-campus fairs in LA and San Fran through the law consortium (see earlier post above). There aren't a lot of firms at them, so you're probably going to end up doing direct mailings. This is why grades matter so much. They have a vague idea what rank BC is, but probably little experience with grads from it. You need the grades to get you in the door so you can show them your stuff.

The lower you rank, the harder it is to get screening interviews. This is all a game of numbers. More firms come from Boston and NYC primarily, so that's your best shot at a Biglaw salary if you're not in the top 1/3 or so.

There are plenty of people who get great jobs in other markets AND are in the bottom half. However, they typically have something else going for them (e.g., - minority, IP, languages, undergrad alum network, personal connections, etc.). In other cases, it's dumb luck or just persistence.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on February 21, 2008, 09:51:45 AM
nukelaw, thanks so much for your responses to my questions. Stuje1 and you have pretty much sold me on BC. Not only did I like what I read in your answers, but just the fact that you answered our multiple questions so thoroughly means that you guys are the kinds of people I'd like to have as fellow law students. I want to be a part of the BC Law crowd, it just seems like a great place to be. As lurker said, you guys are doing a great job selling the school.

I sincerely appreciate all the time that has been put into the responses....it is obvious you guys like your school, and it is all extremely helpful in this stressful decision making time.


Anytime, glad we could help!   I know I really do love it here.  I was talking with students last year who decided to come to BC, and they all are so happy with their decision to come.  One girls facebook photo album was recently entitled "BC Law: best decision I've ever made"   not even kidding.


1) Why do you say the DC market is a tough one to crack (I ask because it's a place I'd like to work after graduation). In a related matter, is it accurate to say that in order to land a good job in a place outside boston, you need to finish higher than if you wanted to stay in Boston? Meaning, is it only the top students who get offers in D.C., etc.?

Just to add to Nuke, I think another issue with DC is that (like Boston) they are pretty concerned with personal ties to the area.   I had absolutely none (just wanted to work in DC) and I think that went against me with a few places.  They want to make sure you are actually going to accept their offer and stay there for some time.

on your 2nd Q, I think it is accurate to say you need to do a little bit better to get a job in a place outside of Boston then you do inside of Boston.   I think that statement is probably true for every law school though.  It is less of a knack on our ability to place outside the city then it is saying something about our strength inside of Boston.  It is not so much "you need to do real well" to leave Boston as it is "you can do worse" and still get a job Boston.   An employer in Boston is much more likely to accept a middle of the road BC student then is an employer in Texas.   But this just makes sense for every law school (E.g. At emory, a middle of the road student is more likely to find a job in Atlanta than LA).   The schools have better connections and a better name in their home town than in a different city.  While a Boston firm may take a chance on a middle of the road BC/BU kid because they have a lot of confidence in the school or they are an alumn, it is just less likely that a firm in Texas is going to do the same when they have a top 10% student from a local tier 3 school who wants the same job.

If your question was more geared to whether one has to do better to get a job from a top firm in a different city then they would to get a job at a top firm in Boston, I think this is also true but also true of every law school (with maybe the exceptions of the very, very top schools, such as Harvard, who have a top success rate in every city).  Again, because of strong connections to the local schools, it is just easier to get a job in the top firms in the city.  No doubt, U Minn students have a much easier time getting a job at the top firms in Minn then the top firms in Boston, and USC students have an easier time (or can do worse) and still get a top job at an LA firm than they would if they tried to get a job in DC.   I think Ropes (the top firm in Boston) took something like 8-11 BC students this year.  There just isnt a top firm in another city who would take such a large # of BC students, so it just makes sense that it is thus a bit "easier" to get a job in the Boston market then outside.   Hope that all makes sense!  ;D


how much would a typical 1br run for?

1K? 1.2k?


I would say 1 beds range from about $800-$1400.   2 beds are almost the same price though (about $1000-1600) so it makes a lot of sense to find a roommate



Okay, I'm going to reverse the question.  Everyone on LSD is always talking what happens to kids at or below the median at a school, but just for curiousity's sake, I want to know what options are available to you if you're at the top of the BC class (and don't just say something like "if you can dream it you can do it").  Do a lot of kids at the top after 1L end up transferring?  What kinds of stuff have the top kids that you've seen graduate done?

I want to know how much incentive there is for me to be a gunner. ;)

Ha, I like your attitude!   If you do well, there is always a great clerkship opportunity (I think we have something like 6 clerking at the circuit level next year).  There are great Fed gov positions (like the DOJ honors program).  And of course there is BIGLAW.   With the exception of 2-3 firms, doing well at BC will pretty much open the door to any firm in the country (the exceptions are Wachtell, Davis Polk and Williams Connolly...these three tend to hire almost exclusively from the T-14 (or higher), though I do know they have at least interviewed BC students before).  Doing well at a great school like BC will certainly give you a ton of options! (doesn't mean you have to be a gunner though to do well  ;) )

As for transferring, people certainly do it, but it is usually much more based on significant others then things like "prestige."   I know we had a fair # transfer last year, and I only know 2 who did it because they wanted a better named school (everyone else was for location, family, significant other, etc.).  We had 2 or 3 kids go to harvard (one turned down Yale), one to Chicago, one to Northwestern, I think a couple to NYU/Columbia and one to Penn (that I can name off the top of my head).  There are a LOT more who could transfer, but choose not to.  It doesn't make much sense to do it for any reason besides personal reasons.  If you are at the top of your class at BC, as I mentioned above, most opportunities are open to you...very little is out of your grasp.   If you are dead set at working 3000 hrs at Wachtell, then maybe transferring is the best option.   But in all seriousness,the only other reason it makes sense from a prestige perspective is if you want to be a judge or professor, in which case, having the names Harvard or Yale on your resume certainly helps.   But again, almost every door will be open to you if you are in the top of the class at BC.

Keep those Qs coming!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on February 21, 2008, 02:32:15 PM
thank you to everyone who chimed in responding to my questions....I was born and raised in the DC area, so it is nice to know that will be helpful if/when I want to find employment there!

How is Boston? Having lived in Chicago and New York (in addition to DC), I haven't always heard positive things about the city (i.e. more homogenous, segregated, yuppie) etc...Just out of curiosity, since I have hardly set foot in the place. Obviously, it's a metropolis so how bad can it be, right?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: k3 on February 22, 2008, 03:57:34 PM
here's a silly question...but does bc actually make grad students pay to use the gym? ICK! and if so, what are our other options? the gym is sort of a huge part of my life...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on February 22, 2008, 05:01:34 PM
here's a silly question...but does bc actually make grad students pay to use the gym? ICK! and if so, what are our other options? the gym is sort of a huge part of my life...

Actually discussed already in this thread (check out pg 9...assuming you have the same pg set up).   Understandably, you prob did not read every single post on this extremely long thread...it can be a lot to sort through.  The sum of it is this: Free very small/crappy gym on the law school campus or can pay a relatively small fee for the big/real gym on the main campus.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: k3 on February 22, 2008, 07:14:23 PM
here's a silly question...but does bc actually make grad students pay to use the gym? ICK! and if so, what are our other options? the gym is sort of a huge part of my life...

Actually discussed already in this thread (check out pg 9...assuming you have the same pg set up).   Understandably, you prob did not read every single post on this extremely long thread...it can be a lot to sort through.  The sum of it is this: Free very small/crappy gym on the law school campus or can pay a relatively small fee for the big/real gym on the main campus.


eeek sorry yes i see it now. thanks for answering again!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nubova on February 24, 2008, 03:16:56 PM
To answer the gym question, I love that BC doesn't internalize the cost of the gym. I would hate it if they forced me to pay for a gym that I am not using. BU makes BUSL students pay for a gym whether or not they use it. I think its great that BC law students aren't forced to pay for the undergrad gym unless the student actaully wants to use it.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 24, 2008, 06:12:55 PM
To answer the gym question, I love that BC doesn't internalize the cost of the gym. I would hate it if they forced me to pay for a gym that I am not using. BU makes BUSL students pay for a gym whether or not they use it. I think its great that BC law students aren't forced to pay for the undergrad gym unless the student actaully wants to use it.

This is a good point. There are other gyms in the area that you might choose to join, and others do. My wife and I joined the West Suburban YMCA in Newton Corner. There's a student rate of $50 a month, I'm not sure how the other YMCA's work out (e.g., Oak Square in Allston/Brighton). Other folks opt for the more high end Boston Sports Club (BSC). Still, others just join the running club at BCLS, lift for free at the quonsett hut on the Newton Campus, and don't pay a dime for either.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: k3 on February 25, 2008, 09:06:28 AM
another question which i hope hasn't already been answered -

for bc people...how long is okay to wait on looking for housing? obviously it's too early now, but i have a couple of friends with whom i'd like to live who are looking for jobs. nothing is certain for them, but i'd like to wait and see what happens with them before i start looking for other potential roommates. when did you all look for apartments? and when did everyone move in?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: waiting to be converted on February 25, 2008, 12:33:25 PM
Stuje or Nukelaw,

Can either of you chime in on health insurance costs and what BC law students tend to do?      Trying to do some financial planning and would like to get a sense of what this is going to cost.

Thanks for all your help.

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: waiting to be converted on February 25, 2008, 12:36:49 PM
Stuje or Nukelaw,

Can either of you chime in on health insurance costs and what BC law students tend to do?      Trying to do some financial planning and would like to get a sense of what this is going to cost.

Thanks for all your help.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: waiting to be converted on February 25, 2008, 12:39:59 PM
Stuje or Nukelaw,

Can either of you chime in on health insurance costs and what BC law students tend to do?      Trying to do some financial planning and would like to get a sense of what this is going to cost.

Thanks for all your help.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 25, 2008, 02:39:24 PM
There's a running club?  Do they take beginners? (And do they run outside in the snow/cold?! OH MY!)

The running club is as serious or light-hearted as you make it. Even I, a former co-jv captain in high school cross country, would be welcome. Their web site says more than I ever could here: http://www.bc.edu/clubs/lsasports/home.html
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 25, 2008, 02:49:23 PM
another question which i hope hasn't already been answered -

for bc people...how long is okay to wait on looking for housing? obviously it's too early now, but i have a couple of friends with whom i'd like to live who are looking for jobs. nothing is certain for them, but i'd like to wait and see what happens with them before i start looking for other potential roommates. when did you all look for apartments? and when did everyone move in?

I think you could wait until as late as early August for a September 1 move-in date, but I found the Boston housing market to be "challenging." As a former resident of Philadelphia, DC, and Vienna (Austria), this was the hardest housing search I've ever had. This is due to a combination of factors: smaller apartments/realty groups, infamous "brokers," large pockets of rentals geared toward the many college students in the area, artificially inflated demand through zoning restrictions, etc.

I found my place in April when I visited Boston for the first time. I laid the groundwork ahead of time since I was also planning a wedding and had to apartment shop long distance from DC. I managed to see a total of three places in a weekend, and lucked out that the last one was exactly what my wife and I were looking for. This was for an August 1 move-in date.

As for the August 1/September 1 move-in debate, I'm a big fan of getting here early. Orientation and your first classes will likely be in the final days of August. Do you really want to struggle with your first week of readings at the same time you have to move-in and get familiar with your surroundings? Don't forget that you may also have to pester your landlord to fix little things like replacing a non-working appliance. September 1 is also notorious as move-in day across the city. U-hauls and family pickups litter the streets of Boston, as all prodigal college students return. This is not the best time to learn the city.

In terms of where to shop for apartments, Craig's List and boston.com won't have anything until roughly a month and a half before a move-in date. I was able to grab my place early through the BC grad student off-campus housing listings: http://www.bc.edu/offices/reslife/offcampus/listings.html
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 25, 2008, 02:53:58 PM
Stuje or Nukelaw,

Can either of you chime in on health insurance costs and what BC law students tend to do?      Trying to do some financial planning and would like to get a sense of what this is going to cost.

Thanks for all your help.

I'm on my wife's health insurance, so I'm not the best authority on this one. Most folks I know are on the general health insurance plan: http://www.bc.edu/offices/uhs/services/graduate.html
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: waiting to be converted on February 25, 2008, 04:55:59 PM
Are there a fair amount of people using Mac's at BC?  I know BC now allows you to use a Mac on their exams (if you have Intel chips), but I'm not sure if they "support" it or just "allow" it.  Any feedback on whether it's dicey to have a Mac?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on February 27, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
Are there a fair amount of people using Mac's at BC?  I know BC now allows you to use a Mac on their exams (if you have Intel chips), but I'm not sure if they "support" it or just "allow" it.  Any feedback on whether it's dicey to have a Mac?

I would say mac use is about 50% these days.  It is much more prevalent than I imagined it would be.  I'm not exactly sure what you see in the difference between "support" and "allow" ... You can use them for exams so long as you have the intel chip and you install windows (I would suggest using XP, not vista, and you can get either for cheap at the bookstore).  In terms of tech support I think the BC people on the main campus will fix PCs and not Macs, but there is an apple store in the chestnut hill mall if you need immediate support.  I only saw one computer mishap with Examsoft, it was with a mac but thankfully during a practice torts exam ... anyways the tech dude came in and t least attempted to fix it

--

As far as finding housing goes, I found an apartment in late June, so I'm sure waiting till the begining of july even would be fine ... I mean hell, the apt under mine is STILL not occupied.  You might have fewer options in mid july or the beginning of august, but you will still have options.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on February 27, 2008, 05:06:45 PM
Are there a fair amount of people using Mac's at BC?  I know BC now allows you to use a Mac on their exams (if you have Intel chips), but I'm not sure if they "support" it or just "allow" it.  Any feedback on whether it's dicey to have a Mac?

I would say mac use is about 50% these days.  It is much more prevalent than I imagined it would be.  I'm not exactly sure what you see in the difference between "support" and "allow" ... You can use them for exams so long as you have the intel chip and you install windows (I would suggest using XP, not vista, and you can get either for cheap at the bookstore).  In terms of tech support I think the BC people on the main campus will fix PCs and not Macs, but there is an apple store in the chestnut hill mall if you need immediate support.  I only saw one computer mishap with Examsoft, it was with a mac but thankfully during a practice torts exam ... anyways the tech dude came in and t least attempted to fix it

--

As far as finding housing goes, I found an apartment in late June, so I'm sure waiting till the begining of july even would be fine ... I mean hell, the apt under mine is STILL not occupied.  You might have fewer options in mid july or the beginning of august, but you will still have options.


Que???  WTF is the Intel chip?  Also, I've NEVER had a PC in my life so the idea of installing Windows onto a Mac just seems like sacrilege and makes me very nervous about viruses, crashing, etc . . .


(please note: this is a non-tech savvy guy talking)

you know, the intel dual core thingy that makes macbooks so great ... basically if you have a macbook you are fine, if you have something that predates that (I think the kid who sits next to me has an "iMac?" anyways, intel, just look for it when you buy the computer.

and yeah as someone who has had mucho problems with windows I decided to switch to a mac before law school for fear of the blue screen of death during an exam or halfway through outlining ... and I didnt really like the idea of wasting space and sticking windows on my mac .. so I watched the Best buy ads and brought a $300 PC laptop that I use solely for taking exams.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: kev199 on February 27, 2008, 06:29:26 PM
Anybody still around from BU?

I'm a bit worried about the building itself.  When I visited in July, they were working on it a bit.  Are they still updating any part of the building?  Also, how have your interactions with career services gone?


Thanks.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on February 28, 2008, 05:20:24 AM
Are there a fair amount of people using Mac's at BC?  I know BC now allows you to use a Mac on their exams (if you have Intel chips), but I'm not sure if they "support" it or just "allow" it.  Any feedback on whether it's dicey to have a Mac?

As one of those on an old iMac (pre-Bootcamp), I am unable to do exams on my everyday laptop. I borrow my wife's even older PC laptop, while others sign up for a desktop in the computer labs.

The definitive site for all Mac law school exam software questions is: http://www.maclawstudents.com/blog/law-school-exam-software/

I've heard an unsubstantiated rumor that Examsoft will work in a native Mac OS setting next year from another student, but everything I've read says that you can still only use an intel-based Mac running bootcamp. This isn't an issue for anyone that's bought a Mac in the past two years (when all Macs began to have intel chips), and will be a non-issue as the older Macs get phased out of use.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Bouzie on February 28, 2008, 04:28:35 PM
Hey BU/BC peeps -- I'm looking for a summer sublet in Boston (south end/brookline/backbay)-- PM me if you or anyone you know is trying to sublet.   THANKS!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 15, 2008, 08:53:17 AM
Bump for folks trying to make decisions.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: rolls on March 15, 2008, 02:24:54 PM
I did a keyword search for the question, and as nothing notable came up excuse my ignorance if there is already some comment out there on this...
Can you both comment on your perception of the level of diversity at your schools?
Also, kudos for reviving this thread, it was necessary.
Thanks!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 15, 2008, 06:19:20 PM
I did a keyword search for the question, and as nothing notable came up excuse my ignorance if there is already some comment out there on this...
Can you both comment on your perception of the level of diversity at your schools?
Also, kudos for reviving this thread, it was necessary.
Thanks!

The BC Law info on diversity is at http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/about/diversity.html

As for specific numbers, the profile of this year's 1L's is at http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/profile.html

Overall, I'd say BC does the best it can to promote diversity. I think the lack of diversity in the Boston legal market as a whole can be attributed to historical perceptions of Boston as a predominantly white city w/ less tolerance and diversity than other Northeast cities.

I can't really speak to the situation at BU.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 15, 2008, 06:20:49 PM
What are the stereotypes for BC & BU L's? What type of students would you find at one or the other? Or are both populated by the same types of students, just attending schools of different monikers?

Are you applying to BC or BU? Your LSN says otherwise.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 16, 2008, 05:56:57 PM
It's hard to generalize any group of people when you get around 800 or so.

BC's traditional reputation has been one of collegiality. A few years ago, the Princeton Review dubbed it the "Disneyland of Law Schools." As I've told others, law school will be a miserable experience wherever you attend -- some are just less miserable than others.

Personally, I've made some good friends and enjoyed my social interactions in law school. I'm sure I could have had similar experiences elsewhere, but almost universally my classmates appear to have positive impressions about their peers on the Newton campus.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: TiffanyTallulah on March 16, 2008, 06:14:14 PM
I am interested in the environmental law program. Obviously since BC has an environmental law program, that must mean that this area is one of its strengths. I would like to know more about it besides what the website says. The Certificate in Env and Land Use Law is given through the Environmental Law Society. From what I have looked at the ELS, it seems the BC ELS is very loosely organized. I know there is an EA Law Review as well, etc.

Can anyone expound upon the env. law faculty and the quality of the env law program? Also is the BC env law program competitive with the lower tier law schools that are the best in env law (Pace, Lewis and Clark, Vermont, and Colorado- though Colorado isn't lower tier)? I am wondering because I'm considering heavy scholarships at those colleges and a full tuition at Pace.

I wanted to speak to a faculty member, is there one in particular that would be open to questions from admitted students, or will these kinds of opportunities be available during the ASD?

Sorry, so many questions. I appreciate it!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 16, 2008, 07:00:07 PM
I am interested in the environmental law program. Obviously since BC has an environmental law program, that must mean that this area is one of its strengths. I would like to know more about it besides what the website says. The Certificate in Env and Land Use Law is given through the Environmental Law Society. From what I have looked at the ELS, it seems the BC ELS is very loosely organized. I know there is an EA Law Review as well, etc.

Can anyone expound upon the env. law faculty and the quality of the env law program? Also is the BC env law program competitive with the lower tier law schools that are the best in env law (Pace, Lewis and Clark, Vermont, and Colorado- though Colorado isn't lower tier)? I am wondering because I'm considering heavy scholarships at those colleges and a full tuition at Pace.

I wanted to speak to a faculty member, is there one in particular that would be open to questions from admitted students, or will these kinds of opportunities be available during the ASD?

Sorry, so many questions. I appreciate it!

I would be very careful about choosing a law school because of their "specialty." In my experience, specialty rankings are pretty much worthless.

For the little bit I know about the environmental folks, the EALR is arguably the second most prestigious of the BC law journals since it has been around longer than the other secondary journals and was one of the first Enviro law journals nationwide. As you've probably found already, the general environmental law page at BC is probably a good place to start to find out more: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/academic/programs/environmentallaw.html

I also know that the Urban Ecology Institute is located at the law school, but I don't know that there is any formal connection with BC Law (http://www.urbaneco.org/).

As for choosing a school, if you think you'll be doing non-profit/public-interest work (including government regulatory agencies like EPA), I'd advise you to do whatever you can to lower your loans so that you won't be coerced into taking a biglaw job. At BC, there are some options like the 2/3 tuition public service scholarships which you should apply for if you haven't already (http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/finaid/scholloans.html#publicservicescholarship).

As a final thought, you may try directly getting in touch with folks at the Environmental Law Society to have them answer your questions. Current contact info for the officers is at http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/studentorgs/els.html

Sorry I can't be of more help.  :-\
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on March 16, 2008, 08:24:20 PM

I wanted to speak to a faculty member, is there one in particular that would be open to questions from admitted students, or will these kinds of opportunities be available during the ASD?

Nuke did as good a job as I could discussing Enviro law (not my specialty), but I just wanted to add that Prof. Plater would probably be the best person to speak to about the field.   I have no idea how responsive he would be, but he is certainly the most well known prof in the field here and is really into enviro law (he heads the Environmental law journal and moot ct team)
http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/fac-staff/deans-faculty/platerz.html
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Ilovecheese on March 17, 2008, 06:55:28 PM
Which school, BC or BU, places better in NYC?

Also, USNEWS stated last year that only 77% of BC's grads are employed upon graduation, how true is that?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: TiffanyTallulah on March 17, 2008, 08:11:41 PM

I wanted to speak to a faculty member, is there one in particular that would be open to questions from admitted students, or will these kinds of opportunities be available during the ASD?

Nuke did as good a job as I could discussing Enviro law (not my specialty), but I just wanted to add that Prof. Plater would probably be the best person to speak to about the field.   I have no idea how responsive he would be, but he is certainly the most well known prof in the field here and is really into enviro law (he heads the Environmental law journal and moot ct team)
http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/fac-staff/deans-faculty/platerz.html


Thanks STUJE1 and NUKELAW! Prof Plater seems amazing! Anyway, I think that I will be going to BC. I applied to the PS scholarship too. Can't wait to go to the ASD!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: TiffanyTallulah on March 17, 2008, 08:23:37 PM
Also what is eagleonline?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 17, 2008, 08:32:24 PM
Which school, BC or BU, places better in NYC?

Also, USNEWS stated last year that only 77% of BC's grads are employed upon graduation, how true is that?

You'll have the same NYC prospects coming from BC or BU. The two schools conduct a joint off-campus recruitment program in August, so I think this shouldn't be a factor.

As for US News, I'll save my complete thoughts on that system, but the 77% figure is misleading. Partly it reflects an inability to get surveys returned to career services in time, but it also reflects the fact that many folks at BC choose to do public interest/government jobs that don't give offers until after passage of the bar. I'd look at the 6 or 9 months after graduation rate as more accurate.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on March 17, 2008, 08:34:20 PM
edit note: Nuke posted at almost the exact same time as me, so sorry if my comments are a little repetitive

Which school, BC or BU, places better in NYC?

I think they place the same in NYC, in that they both have the same opportunities and are looked at the same.  However, I think BU has more students in NYC by choice.   BU seems to be a bit more of a NYC transplant school while more BC kids tend to stay in Boston.  NYC is a huge destination for BC though (our 2nd biggest location) and I know a ton of people that had good success there.

Also, USNEWS stated last year that only 77% of BC's grads are employed upon graduation, how true is that?

I am not sure what the deal with that low # is, but it is definitely a big reason our rankings took a hit.  I saw the new #s last month, and I think it was around 86% for the last class.   So definitely improved on that front.   One possible explanation is that we have a larger percentage that do Public Interest, which don't give job offers until later in the season.   Of course that doesn't explain all of it, but maybe some.  In any event, the #s 6 and 9 months out are in the high 90s%.

Thanks STUJE1 and NUKELAW! Prof Plater seems amazing! Anyway, I think that I will be going to BC. I applied to the PS scholarship too. Can't wait to go to the ASD!

Congrats!   You won't be disappointed, I promise (I actually just asked a 1L tonight, who I had convinced to come, if she had made the right choice and she gave me an emphatic "definitely!")  I will see you at ASD and let me know if you have any more qs.

Also what is eagleonline?

Eagleionline is an unofficial law school news blog that is run by BC law students.   It is pretty cool to keep up to date on all the happenings at BC.  It was a bit controversial, since it originally allowed for anyone on the internet to anonymously post, but now comments are limited to BC students (though the articles are open to anyone).
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 17, 2008, 08:34:36 PM
Also what is eagleonline?

Eagleionline is the BC Law student blog. It's independent of the school and receives no funding from it. Some 3L's started it last year and it's really taken off this year in light of the alumni council restructuring and the selection of Attorney General Mukasey as this year's commencement speaker.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on March 18, 2008, 07:08:22 AM
note: Nuke posted at almost the exact same time as me, so sorry if my comments are a little repetitive

Which school, BC or BU, places better in NYC?

I think the place the same in NYC, in that they both have the same opportunities and are looked at the same.  However, I think BU has more students in NYC by choice.   BU seems to be a bit more of a NYC transplant school while more BC kids tens to stay in Boston.  NYC is a huge destination for BC though (our 2nd biggest location) and I know a ton of epople that had good success there.

Agreed.  Props to Nuke and Stuje for presenting a fair and balanced view.  Unfortunately, I suspect that the BU/BC discussion will get ugly again once usnews releases its new ranking. 
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on March 18, 2008, 05:01:28 PM
I am interested in the environmental law program. Obviously since BC has an environmental law program, that must mean that this area is one of its strengths. I would like to know more about it besides what the website says. The Certificate in Env and Land Use Law is given through the Environmental Law Society. From what I have looked at the ELS, it seems the BC ELS is very loosely organized. I know there is an EA Law Review as well, etc.

Can anyone expound upon the env. law faculty and the quality of the env law program? Also is the BC env law program competitive with the lower tier law schools that are the best in env law (Pace, Lewis and Clark, Vermont, and Colorado- though Colorado isn't lower tier)? I am wondering because I'm considering heavy scholarships at those colleges and a full tuition at Pace.

I wanted to speak to a faculty member, is there one in particular that would be open to questions from admitted students, or will these kinds of opportunities be available during the ASD?


Nuke mostly covered everything in his post, but I thought I would weigh in as a envirolaw person ...
I dont think that you can overstate how awesome Prof. Plater is.  I mean, this guy argued, and won, the most important Endangered Species Act case before the Supreme Court.  He authored one of the most used ELaw texts and is an editor of the other.  You wont hear universal praise from 1Ls because he is a little off the wall and definitely a very progressive guy, but I thought his class was amazing and I can't wait to study with him again.  It is a credit to BC that we have kept him, and not only that, but he is the professor that is the most committed to BC that I have had yet.

So there is indeed an Environmental Law Cirtificate that is run through ELS.  It basically just says that you took a certain number of credits in land use and environmental regulation.  There is also an optional program for 1Ls in Environmental Regulatory Skills.  It is basically a lecture series on environmental regulatory law basics, and you get a certificate in Regulatory Skills that you can talk about in interviews.  It is run by a grad (Triple Eagle, in fact) who brings in practitioners from big firms, local boutiques, regulatory agencies and non profits.  It has been a really cool experience so far, and is also an opportunity to network with some bigwigs in New England-area ELaw.

Along the same lines, one new piece of news that I don't think has been mentioned is that next year BC is getting rid of the ethics/ skills class ("Introduction to Lawyering and Professional Responsibility) and allowing 1Ls to take an elective course during the second semester.  Aside from being furious that they did not implement this for my 1L, I think this is very cool.  Its not a huge deal, but is definitely something to weigh.  If, for example, you are applying for a 1L summer job with the EPA or the SEC it is nice to be able to tell prospective employers that you are already taking a course in ELaw or securities regulation.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: TiffanyTallulah on March 18, 2008, 05:28:08 PM
I am interested in the environmental law program. Obviously since BC has an environmental law program, that must mean that this area is one of its strengths. I would like to know more about it besides what the website says. The Certificate in Env and Land Use Law is given through the Environmental Law Society. From what I have looked at the ELS, it seems the BC ELS is very loosely organized. I know there is an EA Law Review as well, etc.

Can anyone expound upon the env. law faculty and the quality of the env law program? Also is the BC env law program competitive with the lower tier law schools that are the best in env law (Pace, Lewis and Clark, Vermont, and Colorado- though Colorado isn't lower tier)? I am wondering because I'm considering heavy scholarships at those colleges and a full tuition at Pace.

I wanted to speak to a faculty member, is there one in particular that would be open to questions from admitted students, or will these kinds of opportunities be available during the ASD?


Nuke mostly covered everything in his post, but I thought I would weigh in as a envirolaw person ...
I dont think that you can overstate how awesome Prof. Plater is.  I mean, this guy argued, and won, the most important Endangered Species Act case before the Supreme Court.  He authored one of the most used ELaw texts and is an editor of the other.  You wont hear universal praise from 1Ls because he is a little off the wall and definitely a very progressive guy, but I thought his class was amazing and I can't wait to study with him again.  It is a credit to BC that we have kept him, and not only that, but he is the professor that is the most committed to BC that I have had yet.

So there is indeed an Environmental Law Cirtificate that is run through ELS.  It basically just says that you took a certain number of credits in land use and environmental regulation.  There is also an optional program for 1Ls in Environmental Regulatory Skills.  It is basically a lecture series on environmental regulatory law basics, and you get a certificate in Regulatory Skills that you can talk about in interviews.  It is run by a grad (Triple Eagle, in fact) who brings in practitioners from big firms, local boutiques, regulatory agencies and non profits.  It has been a really cool experience so far, and is also an opportunity to network with some bigwigs in New England-area ELaw.

Along the same lines, one new piece of news that I don't think has been mentioned is that next year BC is getting rid of the ethics/ skills class ("Introduction to Lawyering and Professional Responsibility) and allowing 1Ls to take an elective course during the second semester.  Aside from being furious that they did not implement this for my 1L, I think this is very cool.  Its not a huge deal, but is definitely something to weigh.  If, for example, you are applying for a 1L summer job with the EPA or the SEC it is nice to be able to tell prospective employers that you are already taking a course in ELaw or securities regulation.

Why thank you BAMF! I did read the EagleOnline.. Seems Mukasey has brought around quite a bit of controversy there! Anyway I can't wait to go to ASD! I'll surprise you; I haven't been to BOSTON EVER!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 19, 2008, 05:04:21 AM
Agreed.  Props to Nuke and Stuje for presenting a fair and balanced view.  Unfortunately, I suspect that the BU/BC discussion will get ugly again once usnews releases its new ranking. 

Congrats on the summer offer by the way.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on March 19, 2008, 12:06:13 PM

Congrats on the summer offer by the way.

Thanks.  It was more luck than merit. 
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 19, 2008, 01:34:50 PM

Congrats on the summer offer by the way.

Thanks.  It was more luck than merit. 

I'm sure it was more than that, but regardless, it's a great spot to be in and should put you in the driver's seat from here forward.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 20, 2008, 08:56:56 PM
WOOOHOO! I just made BU! I think I am going to attend. Where do you nice folks live?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 02:50:59 AM
WOOOHOO! I just made BU! I think I am going to attend. Where do you nice folks live?

Wow, congrats!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 05:36:45 AM
WOOOHOO! I just made BU! I think I am going to attend. Where do you nice folks live?

Wow, congrats!
TYTY Are you contemplating attending? I think I will end up there...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
WOOOHOO! I just made BU! I think I am going to attend. Where do you nice folks live?

Wow, congrats!
TYTY Are you contemplating attending? I think I will end up there...

It is one of my top choices.  I have not decided yet though.  I really like Florida, Miami, and USD.  I am waiting on two possible new scholarships from UF and Miami, and USD gave me more money than I expected.

Where else are you considering?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 03:32:01 PM
WOOOHOO! I just made BU! I think I am going to attend. Where do you nice folks live?

Wow, congrats!
TYTY Are you contemplating attending? I think I will end up there...

It is one of my top choices.  I have not decided yet though.  I really like Florida, Miami, and USD.  I am waiting on two possible new scholarships from UF and Miami, and USD gave me more money than I expected.

Where else are you considering?
Wait, are you serious? You are gonna turn down for UF Miami and USD? You crazy?! There are no bears at those schools!

Basically it's BU for me unless UVA gives me a miracle or I get off the Duke WL.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 03:48:17 PM
WOOOHOO! I just made BU! I think I am going to attend. Where do you nice folks live?

Wow, congrats!
TYTY Are you contemplating attending? I think I will end up there...

It is one of my top choices.  I have not decided yet though.  I really like Florida, Miami, and USD.  I am waiting on two possible new scholarships from UF and Miami, and USD gave me more money than I expected.

Where else are you considering?
Wait, are you serious? You are gonna turn down for UF Miami and USD? You crazy?! There are no bears at those schools!

Basically it's BU for me unless UVA gives me a miracle or I get off the Duke WL.

I will give you a few reasons of the reasons why I might do so.  Please notice I use the word "might."

1) Tuition at BU is $36,000/yr., is it not?  My scholarship is for $15,000, which is nice, but that means I'm paying $21,000 in tuition alone, let alone the living expenses, etc.

2) COL in Boston is exorbitant, and houses are VERY expensive there.

3) It's cold.  Honestly, I hate the cold, but I tolerate it well.

4) Being at the bottom half of the class at BU would scare me, from reading what people from BU have said. 

5) I'm honestly considering public interest law.  That means I want to keep my debt low if possible. 

6) USD has a program called the Children's Advocacy Institute.  It's a major lobbying group in CA and clinical program to protect children's rights.  (My job currently ties into this clinic.)

7) USD has given me a nice package of scholasships AND work-study. I would only be paying ten grand/yr. there in tuition.

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 03:51:13 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 03:55:29 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I've heard this from someone else that works biglaw in NYC.  He knows people from BU, and he said they LOVED it there. 

Their teacher quality is supposedly top-notch.  I would enjoy that. 

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)

The flexibility is another big plus about BU. 

But I'm still worried if I don't finish in the top half.  Is there anyone that can talk about this that goes to BU? 

I'm not lying to you when I say that it's one of my top choices. I applied for a public interest scholarship there also, so they might make the decision for me!  :)

And, the bear factor might sway me.  :D
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 04:00:38 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I've heard this from someone else that works biglaw in NYC.  He knows people from BU, and he said they LOVED it there. 

Their teacher quality is supposedly top-notch.  I would enjoy that. 

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)

The flexibility is another big plus about BU. 

But I'm still worried if I don't finish in the top half.  Is there anyone that can talk about this that goes to BU? 

I'm not lying to you when I say that it's one of my top choices. I applied for a public interest scholarship there also, so they might make the decision for me!  :)

And, the bear factor might sway me.  :D
::Crosses fingers for UO::  :)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Ilovecheese on March 21, 2008, 05:18:36 PM
Bear is dangerous now, he is turning into a BU troll.  *hides under a BC acceptance.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 05:27:46 PM
Bear is dangerous now, he is turning into a BU troll.  *hides under a BC acceptance.
Ok, if you wanna go to BC, that's cool too! I just want you in boston to go drinking with!

Cheese, I depend on you to brainwash PC into going to BC over USC. We would make an awesome group!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 05:32:50 PM
Bear is dangerous now, he is turning into a BU troll.  *hides under a BC acceptance.

"Trolls" are nasty creatures.  Bearly is a sophisticated beast. 
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 05:33:39 PM
Bear is dangerous now, he is turning into a BU troll.  *hides under a BC acceptance.

"Trolls" are nasty creatures.  Bearly is a sophisticated beast. 
That's true. Check the sophisticated smoking jacket.  ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 05:33:56 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I've heard this from someone else that works biglaw in NYC.  He knows people from BU, and he said they LOVED it there. 

Their teacher quality is supposedly top-notch.  I would enjoy that. 

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)

The flexibility is another big plus about BU. 

But I'm still worried if I don't finish in the top half.  Is there anyone that can talk about this that goes to BU? 

I'm not lying to you when I say that it's one of my top choices. I applied for a public interest scholarship there also, so they might make the decision for me!  :)

And, the bear factor might sway me.  :D
::Crosses fingers for UO::  :)

Give me some more reasons to attend BU!  :P
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 05:34:20 PM
Bear is dangerous now, he is turning into a BU troll.  *hides under a BC acceptance.

"Trolls" are nasty creatures.  Bearly is a sophisticated beast. 
That's true. Check the sophisticated smoking jacket.  ;)

You keep it real, "G."
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 05:35:03 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I've heard this from someone else that works biglaw in NYC.  He knows people from BU, and he said they LOVED it there. 

Their teacher quality is supposedly top-notch.  I would enjoy that. 

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)

The flexibility is another big plus about BU. 

But I'm still worried if I don't finish in the top half.  Is there anyone that can talk about this that goes to BU? 

I'm not lying to you when I say that it's one of my top choices. I applied for a public interest scholarship there also, so they might make the decision for me!  :)

And, the bear factor might sway me.  :D
::Crosses fingers for UO::  :)

Give me some more reasons to attend BU!  :P
Cheese and PC will be there! ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 05:37:06 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I've heard this from someone else that works biglaw in NYC.  He knows people from BU, and he said they LOVED it there. 

Their teacher quality is supposedly top-notch.  I would enjoy that. 

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)

The flexibility is another big plus about BU. 

But I'm still worried if I don't finish in the top half.  Is there anyone that can talk about this that goes to BU? 

I'm not lying to you when I say that it's one of my top choices. I applied for a public interest scholarship there also, so they might make the decision for me!  :)

And, the bear factor might sway me.  :D
::Crosses fingers for UO::  :)

Give me some more reasons to attend BU!  :P
Cheese and PC will be there! ;)

Touche!

I don't know though.  If wiimote doesn't go, I doubt I can force myself to attend.  ::)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 05:43:38 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I've heard this from someone else that works biglaw in NYC.  He knows people from BU, and he said they LOVED it there. 

Their teacher quality is supposedly top-notch.  I would enjoy that. 

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)

The flexibility is another big plus about BU. 

But I'm still worried if I don't finish in the top half.  Is there anyone that can talk about this that goes to BU? 

I'm not lying to you when I say that it's one of my top choices. I applied for a public interest scholarship there also, so they might make the decision for me!  :)

And, the bear factor might sway me.  :D
::Crosses fingers for UO::  :)

Give me some more reasons to attend BU!  :P
Cheese and PC will be there! ;)

Touche!

I don't know though.  If wiimote doesn't go, I doubt I can force myself to attend.  ::)
LMFAO.

Look, it's a fantastic school. The numerical data supports it head and shoulders above the other options you are considering. Also, bears, cranes, and cheese will be there. If that doesn't convince you, basically you are crazy, and can't be convinced! ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 05:48:51 PM
I wanna work in PI too, and am risking a lot by going and turning down 90k at Tulane (which is a school that I LOVE) BTW, but BU is absolutely fantastic. I spent 2 hours today with a grad at my Biglaw firm talking about the school. He was extatic with his experience there.

I've heard this from someone else that works biglaw in NYC.  He knows people from BU, and he said they LOVED it there. 

Their teacher quality is supposedly top-notch.  I would enjoy that. 

I dunno, dude. You should really think about it. Out of all of these schools, only BU will give you the flexibility to leave it's home market. That's worth a LOT.

Edit: Also, there will be bears there!  ;)

The flexibility is another big plus about BU. 

But I'm still worried if I don't finish in the top half.  Is there anyone that can talk about this that goes to BU? 

I'm not lying to you when I say that it's one of my top choices. I applied for a public interest scholarship there also, so they might make the decision for me!  :)

And, the bear factor might sway me.  :D
::Crosses fingers for UO::  :)

Give me some more reasons to attend BU!  :P
Cheese and PC will be there! ;)

Touche!

I don't know though.  If wiimote doesn't go, I doubt I can force myself to attend.  ::)
LMFAO.

Look, it's a fantastic school. The numerical data supports it head and shoulders above the other options you are considering. Also, bears, cranes, and cheese will be there. If that doesn't convince you, basically you are crazy, and can't be convinced! ;)

People do tell me I'm crazy, so you may be onto something there.   :D

Once I have all of the financial info (I should have it by April 1st, after exchanges with various schools), I plan on making a decision in a week or so.  I'll let you know what I decide!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 21, 2008, 05:56:11 PM
Ok, but you should know that I am rooting for you to go to school with me. :)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on March 21, 2008, 06:04:32 PM
Ok, but you should know that I am rooting for you to go to school with me. :)

This is duly noted!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Ilovecheese on March 21, 2008, 06:32:11 PM
Bear is dangerous now, he is turning into a BU troll.  *hides under a BC acceptance.
Ok, if you wanna go to BC, that's cool too! I just want you in boston to go drinking with!

Cheese, I depend on you to brainwash PC into going to BC over USC. We would make an awesome group!

I don;t think there will be a need for brainwashing.  Once she receives a "generous" scholarship package from USC, SUC won;t be her 1st choice anymore.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: coffeebean on March 26, 2008, 12:51:43 PM
So here's my question: I went to BC for undergrad and I've been accepted to both BC and BU for law school. I'm pretty well-informed on BC Law and what it's about, but do you guys think there is any value to saying that I should go to BU because then I'll have both BC and BU alumni networks to back me up in the future? Or is it better to be a double Eagle? Or does that just not make too much sense?

Also, I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say about BC's and BU's constitutional law programs and which is better, and also which school is stronger in getting its students judicial clerkships/internships. Is there really any difference to these two in national recognition?

Thanks!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 26, 2008, 02:13:38 PM
So here's my question: I went to BC for undergrad and I've been accepted to both BC and BU for law school. I'm pretty well-informed on BC Law and what it's about, but do you guys think there is any value to saying that I should go to BU because then I'll have both BC and BU alumni networks to back me up in the future? Or is it better to be a double Eagle? Or does that just not make too much sense?

Also, I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say about BC's and BU's constitutional law programs and which is better, and also which school is stronger in getting its students judicial clerkships/internships. Is there really any difference to these two in national recognition?

Thanks!

I can only speak to the BC alum network, but I would say that double eagles aren't hurting for connections. After three schools, BC has the strongest alum network I've seen, largely due to the sports teams that keep alums interested. I don't know how the BU network would add to this per se, since it isn't like choosing a PhD program where you have to go to a different place than your undergrad to return. It's more important to pay attention to a school's ability to place graduates in the market you're interested in. BC still seems stronger in Boston because of the strong alum network.

As for con law, I don't know what you would consider a specialty. All con law professors by definition seem to be the rock stars of the academic legal community. The Dean at BC is a noted conservative constitutional scholar, while another con law professor is a former clerk to Souter and on the more liberal side of things.

BC placed 14% of its graduates in clerkships in 2006. I don't know the breakdown between state/fed. I imagine the clerkship opportunities from BC/BU are similar and will largely be determined by your grades, membership on a journal, and success in getting a note published. Even then, coming from a school not in the top 5 will make federal district clerkships competitive, and federal appellate clerkships very hard to get.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 26, 2008, 02:18:58 PM
So BC is in my top 2 right now.  I have a few questions.  Thanks for your help.

1. What is the best thing about BC Law
2. Where is the best place to live
3. What are the dining options like in the best area to live
4. Should I bring my car
5. Is the student body pretty national or are most kids local
6. Can we buy football season tix
7. Thanks again

1. Collegiality - "The Disneyland of Law Schools"
2. Depends on what you're looking for, but most will tell you Brighton/Allston.
3. Boston pubs tend to look the same - bar, dining area, dance floor, and a television with the Red Sox game on in each of them.
4. Definitely.
5. Pretty national and getting more so, as well as international. Incoming class is from 34 states and three other countries: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/profile.html
6. Yup. As soon as you have your student ID number and are set up in the system you can get student rate. If you want better seats, just call up the ticket office and buy regular. Same applies for basketball and hockey.
7. You're welcome.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 27, 2008, 03:19:50 PM
Bump for the next 30 mins to get me through class. Fire away.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 28, 2008, 06:02:31 AM
Well, since I'm bored at work, if you're still around -- anything you feel like hasn't been covered so far in this thread?  General thoughts?

I think two other places I would check out right now to get a feel for BC and its student body would be a student-run blog (http://www.eagleionline.com) and the message board that admissions sets up for admitted students.

One of the comments I've heard in the past is that people respected the fact that there was a dialog happening at BC and we weren't afraid to have admits see our dirty laundry.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on March 28, 2008, 07:11:06 AM
To the BC students who've already answered a ton of q's (and thanks again for that):

I had a chance to visit the campus recently, and while I came away with a generally great impression, one aspect really disappointed me - the commute. While many law schools go out of their way to put housing, gym, etc. within spitting distance of the law school, I was dismayed that most students (who come from the Harvard stop) have a nearly 40 minute door to door commute, and that it involves a train and a shuttle which usually require a wait. Others have an even longer commute it seems. And the area closest to the final BC T stop doesn't seem to offer much at all in terms of quality of life.

During 1L when time is at a premium, the thought of spending 1 hr 15 minutes commuting each day in the cold is really unappealing. Is there something I'm missing, because it didn't really seem to faze the students there? Also, do you have any recommendations for someone who wishes to have as small a commute as possible and wants to live very close to a gym?

thanks for any input.

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Ilovecheese on March 28, 2008, 09:29:31 AM
How hard is it to get a grad housing apartment?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on March 28, 2008, 04:09:56 PM
ha. haven't heard back from them yet (and growing less optimistic):(
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: kev199 on March 28, 2008, 04:57:23 PM
For BU, do they offer merit aid after the first year?  I know GW has a few awards they give out to the top 1L students, does BU have something similar?

Thanks.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on March 29, 2008, 09:49:00 AM
To the BC students who've already answered a ton of q's (and thanks again for that):

I had a chance to visit the campus recently, and while I came away with a generally great impression, one aspect really disappointed me - the commute. While many law schools go out of their way to put housing, gym, etc. within spitting distance of the law school, I was dismayed that most students (who come from the Harvard stop) have a nearly 40 minute door to door commute, and that it involves a train and a shuttle which usually require a wait. Others have an even longer commute it seems. And the area closest to the final BC T stop doesn't seem to offer much at all in terms of quality of life.

During 1L when time is at a premium, the thought of spending 1 hr 15 minutes commuting each day in the cold is really unappealing. Is there something I'm missing, because it didn't really seem to faze the students there? Also, do you have any recommendations for someone who wishes to have as small a commute as possible and wants to live very close to a gym?

thanks for any input.



I'm going to respond to the bolded part first

I live right by the last BC T stop, a 4 minute walk or so to the shuttle, no T required.  I have a huge half-house, parking, a side yard and a pond in my back yard.  At the other end of the street is washington st. which has a bunch of bars, food, coffee shops etc.  Also a gym above the starbucks.  Thats all abotu a 2 minute walk away.  And then there is the T right there if you ever need to get downtown.

Now, as for the hour and 15 minute commute, that is a drastic overstatement.  If you are going to BC you will not want to live as far up Comm Ave as Harvard T stop, you will want to live in the Cleveland Circle area (another great spot right by BC with bars, food, private gym, etc.).  You will have a 10 - 15 minute total T ride, including waiting, in the morning (2 stops from Cleveland Circle to BC), and then another 10 minutes waiting and riding the shuttle.  If you are taking the T from Harvard ave to BU (central is the law school stop) the transit time will not be much different because the Green Line stops for traffic.

so yeah, I wouldn't say that the commute fazes pepole because it is not nearly as long as you percieve, so long as you don't live too far away from the school (and you don't have to).

But anyways, don't pick your school because of the living situation ... trust me, you will find a way to make it work wherever you end up.

--

Now, did someone  ask about law prom?  yeah, it is exactly what it sounds like...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 29, 2008, 09:51:01 AM
To the BU kids: Is the 1L Legal Writing Seminar graded?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 29, 2008, 11:44:57 AM
RE: Law Prom

It's a good time. Posh digs, everyone dressed to the nines, and lots of flasks.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: RockShox007 on March 29, 2008, 12:44:33 PM
To the BC students who've already answered a ton of q's (and thanks again for that):

I had a chance to visit the campus recently, and while I came away with a generally great impression, one aspect really disappointed me - the commute. While many law schools go out of their way to put housing, gym, etc. within spitting distance of the law school, I was dismayed that most students (who come from the Harvard stop) have a nearly 40 minute door to door commute, and that it involves a train and a shuttle which usually require a wait. Others have an even longer commute it seems. And the area closest to the final BC T stop doesn't seem to offer much at all in terms of quality of life.

During 1L when time is at a premium, the thought of spending 1 hr 15 minutes commuting each day in the cold is really unappealing. Is there something I'm missing, because it didn't really seem to faze the students there? Also, do you have any recommendations for someone who wishes to have as small a commute as possible and wants to live very close to a gym?

thanks for any input.



I'm going to respond to the bolded part first

I live right by the last BC T stop, a 4 minute walk or so to the shuttle, no T required.  I have a huge half-house, parking, a side yard and a pond in my back yard.  At the other end of the street is washington st. which has a bunch of bars, food, coffee shops etc.  Also a gym above the starbucks.  Thats all abotu a 2 minute walk away.  And then there is the T right there if you ever need to get downtown.

Now, as for the hour and 15 minute commute, that is a drastic overstatement.  If you are going to BC you will not want to live as far up Comm Ave as Harvard T stop, you will want to live in the Cleveland Circle area (another great spot right by BC with bars, food, private gym, etc.).  You will have a 10 - 15 minute total T ride, including waiting, in the morning (2 stops from Cleveland Circle to BC), and then another 10 minutes waiting and riding the shuttle.  If you are taking the T from Harvard ave to BU (central is the law school stop) the transit time will not be much different because the Green Line stops for traffic.

so yeah, I wouldn't say that the commute fazes pepole because it is not nearly as long as you percieve, so long as you don't live too far away from the school (and you don't have to).

But anyways, don't pick your school because of the living situation ... trust me, you will find a way to make it work wherever you end up.

--

Now, did someone  ask about law prom?  yeah, it is exactly what it sounds like...


Bamf, given your current living situation, do you drive to school or walk to the shuttle and take that? 
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 29, 2008, 02:05:14 PM
Hmmm . . . what if you DO want to live that far up Comm Ave. because you have an aversion to the 'burbs?  Is it feasible?  Does anyone do that at all?

And yeah, Cosmo, the DC metro is a wonderland, as I think I've stated a million times on here . . . <3 <3 <3

I think you need to be realistic. Your 1L year, most of your time will be spent on-campus in class or studying at the library. When you have your weekends, you can go downtown via the T or a cab.

I'd also say that Cleveland Circle and Brighton in general is definitely not the Burbs and within the Boston city limits. The point is that you can live in Boston and still commute to the law school campus easily. I would recommend a car though.

2L year, people move all over the place. Some are in Cambridge or in downtown Boston.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 29, 2008, 02:48:25 PM
Hmmm . . . what if you DO want to live that far up Comm Ave. because you have an aversion to the 'burbs?  Is it feasible?  Does anyone do that at all?

And yeah, Cosmo, the DC metro is a wonderland, as I think I've stated a million times on here . . . <3 <3 <3

I think you need to be realistic. Your 1L year, most of your time will be spent on-campus in class or studying at the library. When you have your weekends, you can go downtown via the T or a cab.

I'd also say that Cleveland Circle and Brighton in general is definitely not the Burbs and within the Boston city limits. The point is that you can live in Boston and still commute to the law school campus easily. I would recommend a car though.

2L year, people move all over the place. Some are in Cambridge or in downtown Boston.


It's less that I feel like I need to be close to the city to go out, and more that I just don't want to live in the burbs on a day to day basis . . . hard to explain, just take my word for it.  I guess I'll just have to visit and see how I like the neighborhoods, what feels suburban to me might feel more "city" to someone else, and vice versa.

So I'm guessing that you're saying that 1L year is too busy for it to be feasible?  I mean, are you suggesting that Brighton is that closest possible option to the city?

I know this sounds bad, but this is making me worried enough about my quality of life that I'm now starting to think about UMaryland since it's in Baltimore proper . . .   :'( 


First, I agree that you should see all your choices in person before making a decision.

Second, Brighton is a neighborhood within Boston. For all the BC neighborhood bashing out there, the law school is less than two miles from Brighton, and the undergrad campus straddles the city line.

Third, if you're considering taking U-MD over BC because of the desirability of living in Baltimore, you have a different set of criteria than most law school applicants. Having spent a fair amount of time in Baltimore from DC days, I can honestly say it's not that impressive, and much less of a "city" than Boston. More importantly, the job prospects coming out will be much better from BC which enjoys a significantly better reputation regionally and nationally.

It's important to go to school at a place where you feel comfortable, but the most important factor should be the education you're receiving and the job prospects you have afterward. If "quality of life" is your biggest concern in choosing a law school, BC is about as good as you're going to get. I'd put UVA, and some west coast schools up there as well, but you're about to sign up for a grueling experience regardless of where you're headed.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 29, 2008, 03:41:32 PM
That's reassuring. 

Obviously I'm going to the BC ASD . . . I think I'm just really, really nervous about not liking it up there because BC is far and away the best offer I've gotten, so if I don't like it then I feel like I'm sort of up a creek w/o a paddle and all.

I'm from DC, which is why MD is at all in the running, and I have a fair amount of experience with Baltimore . . . a lot of the people I know in the legal community here are actually sort of bewildered by my desire to attend BC over MD, but obviously MD places well down here (or better than BC for the most part).  But I'm not in-state at Maryland, which definitely makes it a less attractive option.

I'll be the first to admit that BC's placement is stronger in Boston and NYC than DC. U-MD will be strong in Baltimore, and has some outreach into DC, but I'd bet mostly in government positions. Keep in mind that DC is arguably the toughest legal market to crack. In addition to some very good schools in G-town, GW, GMU, Catholic, American, and UDC, the top grads at other schools along with the Harvard, Yale, Stanford kids all want to come to the nation's capitol. On top of that, the legal market in DC is actually pretty small for big law firms. If you add in government positions, the number goes up, but the average salary decreases for a city that isn't the most affordable.

The best advice I can give on placement is to ask the career services offices directly for employment statistics.

I'd ask:

1) Breakdown of employment by sector? (i.e. - law firms, public interest, government, etc.)
2) Average starting salary of graduates?
3) How their on-campus recruiting system works (i.e. - do employers choose all interviewees, or are some spots reserved for lottery/student selections?)?
4) Percentage of students finding employment through on-campus recruiting?
5) Regional breakdown of where graduates ended up?
6) Level of clerkships graduates attained (i.e. - state or federal, trial or appellate?)?

If after all that you decided U of MD is a better option for your needs, you have my blessing. I spent two summers living in College Park and having nothing but love for the Terps.

Regarding in-state, you should be able to get in-state tuition rate beginning 2L year. If it's a large burden on you, I'd also consider deferring for a year, moving to gain residency status, and starting fall of 2009.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: BearlyLegal on March 29, 2008, 05:59:58 PM
To the BU kids: Is the 1L Legal Writing Seminar graded?

Yes, it's graded on an A- curve.

Moot Court is part of the seminar, too, during 2nd semester and the oral arguments are pass/fail.


Damn. That's really unpleasant. :(
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on March 29, 2008, 06:01:29 PM
To the BC students who've already answered a ton of q's (and thanks again for that):

I had a chance to visit the campus recently, and while I came away with a generally great impression, one aspect really disappointed me - the commute. While many law schools go out of their way to put housing, gym, etc. within spitting distance of the law school, I was dismayed that most students (who come from the Harvard stop) have a nearly 40 minute door to door commute, and that it involves a train and a shuttle which usually require a wait. Others have an even longer commute it seems. And the area closest to the final BC T stop doesn't seem to offer much at all in terms of quality of life.

During 1L when time is at a premium, the thought of spending 1 hr 15 minutes commuting each day in the cold is really unappealing. Is there something I'm missing, because it didn't really seem to faze the students there? Also, do you have any recommendations for someone who wishes to have as small a commute as possible and wants to live very close to a gym?

thanks for any input.



I'm going to respond to the bolded part first

I live right by the last BC T stop, a 4 minute walk or so to the shuttle, no T required.  I have a huge half-house, parking, a side yard and a pond in my back yard.  At the other end of the street is washington st. which has a bunch of bars, food, coffee shops etc.  Also a gym above the starbucks.  Thats all abotu a 2 minute walk away.  And then there is the T right there if you ever need to get downtown.

Now, as for the hour and 15 minute commute, that is a drastic overstatement.  If you are going to BC you will not want to live as far up Comm Ave as Harvard T stop, you will want to live in the Cleveland Circle area (another great spot right by BC with bars, food, private gym, etc.).  You will have a 10 - 15 minute total T ride, including waiting, in the morning (2 stops from Cleveland Circle to BC), and then another 10 minutes waiting and riding the shuttle.  If you are taking the T from Harvard ave to BU (central is the law school stop) the transit time will not be much different because the Green Line stops for traffic.

so yeah, I wouldn't say that the commute fazes pepole because it is not nearly as long as you percieve, so long as you don't live too far away from the school (and you don't have to).

But anyways, don't pick your school because of the living situation ... trust me, you will find a way to make it work wherever you end up.

--

Now, did someone  ask about law prom?  yeah, it is exactly what it sounds like...


Bamf, given your current living situation, do you drive to school or walk to the shuttle and take that? 

I personally drive, but two of my housemates dont have cars and do the shuttle thing frequently, and it is just fine.  If you want to google map it, I live on Lake St., past the seminary but before washington st.  And while I do have a pond in my backyard I would not in any way say that I live in the suburbs.  It is sort of the nature of Boston that there are more 3 level condos and brownstones than high rise apartment buildings once you get away from the downtown area (this goes for the BU area around Comm and Beacon as well)so it doesn't feel like Manhattan, but it is in no way the burbs, at least not the burbs I grew up in.  If you go right on Washington from my street you end up in Brighton Center and if you go left you end up in Oak square, both cool neighborhood that, like I said before, have restaurants, shops, bars, etc.

So, if you want to live up Comm ave by Harvard ave or in Packards corner it is fine, you'll just have a longer commute if you take the T (yeah, I know people who do it).  It just depends on your tolerance for public transport.  I know people who live in Cambridge and walk across the river to jump on the T in the morning, so it is up to you.

Anyways, without going through and addressing all of your concerns about Boston and the neighborhood lets just say that there is plenty of city and it really isn't difficult to get around without a car.  And like, you won't be in as much danger of getting shot as you would in Baltimore ...
(I kid)
(kind of)
But really, even if it is not your IDEAL situation, I strongly suggest against making a decision about your school based on the neighborhood.  Boston might not be what you're used to, but I personally think BC is worth having to adapt.

--

So as for finding a place, I think July would be on the late end, and you probably wouldn't be able to find an Aug 1 start date, but it is possible.  I got my place in late june, which seemed pretty normal.

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on March 29, 2008, 06:04:22 PM
To the BU kids: Is the 1L Legal Writing Seminar graded?

Yes, it's graded on an A- curve.

Moot Court is part of the seminar, too, during 2nd semester and the oral arguments are pass/fail.


Damn. That's really unpleasant. :(

??
Do other schools not grade their writing class?  Its pretty essential to your career, I feel like employers might not like a P/F writing class too much.  I'm assuming that all BU's classes aren't A- curves, so having a more forgiving curve for it is pretty nice.
But I'm thankful for our writing class being graded, because I feel like it is a little easier to do really well in, or at least be more certain about beating the curve.  Its our only class with more than 1 grade, anways...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: turtledee on March 29, 2008, 08:03:51 PM
That's reassuring. 

Obviously I'm going to the BC ASD . . . I think I'm just really, really nervous about not liking it up there because BC is far and away the best offer I've gotten, so if I don't like it then I feel like I'm sort of up a creek w/o a paddle and all.




Oh man, I hear you D. . . I totally feel the same way.  There is part of me that is saying to myself  "You are LUCKY you got into BC, you got rejected and waitlisted from school ranked well below it.  This your lucky break"  but my heart's not totally in it.  I went to a BC admitted students event in NY, and I wanted to cry when I left.  I was just not into the people. . . I'm going to the ASD and hoping to have a better experience.  I visited the campus a few weeks ago and left thinking: "well it's really pretty. . . and I guess I can study during the T ride, right?"  Again, not as enthused as I wish I was. Jeez I wish someone could just swoop in and make this decision for me.  I keep reminding myself I'm lucky to have options to begin with. . .
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: turtledee on March 29, 2008, 08:39:29 PM
I guess I should note that the other school I'm considering is Northeastern, where I feel like there are a lot of people who are going to law school for similar reasons as me: wanting to work in the public interest, improving policy on criminal law/ immigration law/ human rights law/ etc. . . So all this "what are my prospects for Big law placement" mumbojumbo just kind of makes my eyes glaze over.  It probably didn't help that the whole event was at a penthouse conference room at one of NY's largest firms, heheh. . . 
I didn't find the alums that helpful, it kind of felt like someone had prepped them beforehand, like they were very positive but also seemed sort of ingenuine.  I dunno. 
I think I went to the event in the hopes of coming away from it being like: "that was awesome!  I love BC!!" but instead it was just a bunch of BC reps re-iterating the written material I've gotten in the mail, and a couple undecided kids.

You are totally right about never knowing what will happen in terms of liking/hating a place and the people there.  I am just so afraid of regretting my decision. . .
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on March 30, 2008, 09:25:16 AM
I guess I should note that the other school I'm considering is Northeastern, where I feel like there are a lot of people who are going to law school for similar reasons as me: wanting to work in the public interest, improving policy on criminal law/ immigration law/ human rights law/ etc. . . So all this "what are my prospects for Big law placement" mumbojumbo just kind of makes my eyes glaze over.  It probably didn't help that the whole event was at a penthouse conference room at one of NY's largest firms, heheh. . . 
I didn't find the alums that helpful, it kind of felt like someone had prepped them beforehand, like they were very positive but also seemed sort of ingenuine.  I dunno. 
I think I went to the event in the hopes of coming away from it being like: "that was awesome!  I love BC!!" but instead it was just a bunch of BC reps re-iterating the written material I've gotten in the mail, and a couple undecided kids.

You are totally right about never knowing what will happen in terms of liking/hating a place and the people there.  I am just so afraid of regretting my decision. . .

Hey, I'm not knocking public interest. I spent five years in and out of the government before going to law school.

BC actually has a higher PI/Gov't placement than a lot of peer schools. Class of 2006 was 14%, with another 14% taking clerkships (that some followed by PI/Gov't).

If this is your interest, my suggestion would be to get in touch with some of the Public Interest Law Foundation (PILF) folks: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/services/studentorgs/pilf.html

They'd probably be more than willing to meet up with you separate from any planned activities to show you around and address your concerns.

I'd also highly recommend applying for the 2/3 tuition public service scholarship if you haven't already: http://www.bc.edu/schools/law/admission/finaid/scholloans.html#publicservicescholarship
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on March 30, 2008, 05:15:51 PM
Thanks...of course I wouldn't rule out BC on this alone. As I said, I had a great visit otherwise. IT was merely an observation. While it's good to know the commute won't be as bad as I thought, it still seems a bit long. I walked between the BC T stop and Washington St. on Lake and it took almost 15 minutes. The shuttle from BC Undergrad to the law school took more than 20 (not counting the wait. But I know the shuttle ride back from the law school is a lot quicker.) So that's still not an insignificant amount of time commuting. Again, this is hardly a deal breaker - jut an observation on which I was hoping to be proven wrong!


To the BC students who've already answered a ton of q's (and thanks again for that):

I had a chance to visit the campus recently, and while I came away with a generally great impression, one aspect really disappointed me - the commute. While many law schools go out of their way to put housing, gym, etc. within spitting distance of the law school, I was dismayed that most students (who come from the Harvard stop) have a nearly 40 minute door to door commute, and that it involves a train and a shuttle which usually require a wait. Others have an even longer commute it seems. And the area closest to the final BC T stop doesn't seem to offer much at all in terms of quality of life.

During 1L when time is at a premium, the thought of spending 1 hr 15 minutes commuting each day in the cold is really unappealing. Is there something I'm missing, because it didn't really seem to faze the students there? Also, do you have any recommendations for someone who wishes to have as small a commute as possible and wants to live very close to a gym?

thanks for any input.



I'm going to respond to the bolded part first

I live right by the last BC T stop, a 4 minute walk or so to the shuttle, no T required.  I have a huge half-house, parking, a side yard and a pond in my back yard.  At the other end of the street is washington st. which has a bunch of bars, food, coffee shops etc.  Also a gym above the starbucks.  Thats all abotu a 2 minute walk away.  And then there is the T right there if you ever need to get downtown.

Now, as for the hour and 15 minute commute, that is a drastic overstatement.  If you are going to BC you will not want to live as far up Comm Ave as Harvard T stop, you will want to live in the Cleveland Circle area (another great spot right by BC with bars, food, private gym, etc.).  You will have a 10 - 15 minute total T ride, including waiting, in the morning (2 stops from Cleveland Circle to BC), and then another 10 minutes waiting and riding the shuttle.  If you are taking the T from Harvard ave to BU (central is the law school stop) the transit time will not be much different because the Green Line stops for traffic.

so yeah, I wouldn't say that the commute fazes pepole because it is not nearly as long as you percieve, so long as you don't live too far away from the school (and you don't have to).

But anyways, don't pick your school because of the living situation ... trust me, you will find a way to make it work wherever you end up.

--

Now, did someone  ask about law prom?  yeah, it is exactly what it sounds like...


Bamf, given your current living situation, do you drive to school or walk to the shuttle and take that? 

I personally drive, but two of my housemates dont have cars and do the shuttle thing frequently, and it is just fine.  If you want to google map it, I live on Lake St., past the seminary but before washington st.  And while I do have a pond in my backyard I would not in any way say that I live in the suburbs.  It is sort of the nature of Boston that there are more 3 level condos and brownstones than high rise apartment buildings once you get away from the downtown area (this goes for the BU area around Comm and Beacon as well)so it doesn't feel like Manhattan, but it is in no way the burbs, at least not the burbs I grew up in.  If you go right on Washington from my street you end up in Brighton Center and if you go left you end up in Oak square, both cool neighborhood that, like I said before, have restaurants, shops, bars, etc.

So, if you want to live up Comm ave by Harvard ave or in Packards corner it is fine, you'll just have a longer commute if you take the T (yeah, I know people who do it).  It just depends on your tolerance for public transport.  I know people who live in Cambridge and walk across the river to jump on the T in the morning, so it is up to you.

Anyways, without going through and addressing all of your concerns about Boston and the neighborhood lets just say that there is plenty of city and it really isn't difficult to get around without a car.  And like, you won't be in as much danger of getting shot as you would in Baltimore ...
(I kid)
(kind of)
But really, even if it is not your IDEAL situation, I strongly suggest against making a decision about your school based on the neighborhood.  Boston might not be what you're used to, but I personally think BC is worth having to adapt.

--

So as for finding a place, I think July would be on the late end, and you probably wouldn't be able to find an Aug 1 start date, but it is possible.  I got my place in late june, which seemed pretty normal.


Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: bamf on March 31, 2008, 03:12:22 PM
Thanks...of course I wouldn't rule out BC on this alone. As I said, I had a great visit otherwise. IT was merely an observation. While it's good to know the commute won't be as bad as I thought, it still seems a bit long. I walked between the BC T stop and Washington St. on Lake and it took almost 15 minutes. The shuttle from BC Undergrad to the law school took more than 20 (not counting the wait. But I know the shuttle ride back from the law school is a lot quicker.) So that's still not an insignificant amount of time commuting. Again, this is hardly a deal breaker - jut an observation on which I was hoping to be proven wrong!


I'm not trying to pick on you or beat a dead horse or anything, but what day were you visiting?  Also, there are a bunch of different bus routes, some that go all the way through campus, some that go to the Reservoir T stop (D Line) in Cleveland Circle, and one that runs between Chestnut Hill main entrance and Newton constantly, with no other stops.  During school days this shuttle runs constantly, and the ride should only be about 5 mins max, maybe 10 with morning traffic.

This bus situation caused some humor for me earlier in the semester ... my housemate took the shuttle home during lunch, and had previously only been on the All Stops bus (As opposed to Eagle Direct I think it is called, which is just main gate to Newton) ... anyways, he did not know the Eagle Direct bus existed, so he was doing some reading on the bus and didnt look up for the first stop, which he expected to be on the other side of campus form us.  Only when the bus was on its wy back to Newton did he notice that his was the single stop bus, so he had to get off and get back on the departing bus when he got back to the law school.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: lurker128 on April 01, 2008, 07:46:07 AM
o.k. sorry - I visited the week of March 24, which I think is spring break. Were they running with lesser frequency as a result? Also, I did not know that there were multiple shuttles. The ride back from the law school to the UG was super quick (7 min), but the one I got on to go to the law school made a long, winding loop through the UG campus which took more than 20 minutes.

Also, I didn't mean to make a mountain out of this - it's just that for some people (like me) convenience is really, really important, and I was paying extra close attention to it. I would ideally like no more than a 20 minute door to door commute, which is I think easier at other schools for those without a car. But the fact that I am returning to campus again for ASD obviously means I still like the place.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on April 02, 2008, 07:24:12 PM
Do any of the BU'ers know much about BU's LRAP?

Thanks!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on April 03, 2008, 09:07:18 AM
Also, what is the curve at BU?  I found some information on the web, but it seems to be two years old...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: tashakies on April 03, 2008, 02:17:33 PM
Im curious about BC's curve too. Is it very difficult to stay right above median? Someone told me since most eevryone end up in the middle, you have to seriously slack off to graduate bottom quarter or half of the class.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on April 03, 2008, 02:27:15 PM
Im curious about BC's curve too. Is it very difficult to stay right above median? Someone told me since most eevryone end up in the middle, you have to seriously slack off to graduate bottom quarter or half of the class.

I am confused by your question. By definition, half of the class will be above the median and 25% will be in the bottom quarter of the class.  So it is not any easier or harder than any other school.  If what you mean is, is it hard to got what one would consider a "poor" grade, then yes, that is true since only 15% get B- or lower. The 1st year curve at BC is as follows: 10% A, 15% A-, 25%B+, 35%B, 10% B-, 5% C+ (or lower).  There is some discretion with the curve (a prof. can give more B's and cut out on the high and low ends if they want for example).  The curve goes up for smaller classes (which is a lot of what you take 2nd/3rd year)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on April 03, 2008, 02:37:27 PM
Im curious about BC's curve too. Is it very difficult to stay right above median? Someone told me since most eevryone end up in the middle, you have to seriously slack off to graduate bottom quarter or half of the class.

I'd say it's actually harder to stay above the median at schools like BC than the T-14 or lower tier 1 schools. You have the perfect storm of smart folks (there are 170+ folks here who didn't get into Harvard, but wanted or had to stay in Boston) that have to work hard because market-paying jobs aren't guaranteed past top 1/3, and the curve is between a B and B+.

The exact 50% mark will vary each year based on grade distribution. For the class of 2009, a 3.24 placed one in the top half of the class.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnbiasedObserver on April 03, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
Also, what is the curve at BU?  I found some information on the web, but it seems to be two years old...

Classes of 26 or more have a B+ curve. Smaller seminar classes (like Legal Writing) have an A- curve.

For your question about LRAP - sorry, I really don't know much of the details about it. That said, I do know that BU has a great PI program just based on what I have heard from other students and the career development office. Also, for 1Ls who want to work in PI their 1L summer, there's a sweet grant program (up to $4K for the summer) and most students who apply for it receive it.

Ah, so that information is credible. 

Thank you for the information!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: kev199 on April 07, 2008, 10:47:26 AM
I sent my deposit in today along with another deposit.  Decisions are so difficult to make. ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnoriginalAndrew on April 07, 2008, 10:59:53 AM
I submitted my deposit to BC at the ASD.  BAMF - you definitely helped early in the process through both this thread, and the info you sent me in a message, so thanks a bunch for that.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on April 07, 2008, 12:39:54 PM
I submitted my deposit to BC at the ASD.  BAMF - you definitely helped early in the process through both this thread, and the info you sent me in a message, so thanks a bunch for that.

I'm sure you won't regret your decision Andrew. Welcome to BC!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: RockShox007 on April 07, 2008, 03:04:09 PM
LSD owned the BC ASD.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: RockShox007 on April 07, 2008, 04:08:51 PM
LSD owned the BC ASD.

I believe this.  I was even at a pre-LSD/BC ASD meetup for a few minutes.

Yep, and we went on to have a damn good time...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnoriginalAndrew on April 07, 2008, 04:29:51 PM
LSD owned the BC ASD.

I believe this.  I was even at a pre-LSD/BC ASD meetup for a few minutes.

Yep, and we went on to have a damn good time...

go ahead and rub it in  :P

Mmmm....John Harvard's beer....  ;)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: RockShox007 on April 07, 2008, 04:42:10 PM
LSD owned the BC ASD.

I believe this.  I was even at a pre-LSD/BC ASD meetup for a few minutes.

Yep, and we went on to have a damn good time...

go ahead and rub it in  :P

Mmmm....John Harvard's beer....  ;)

Oh w/e I was bonding with my sisters *convinces self*

(Continuation of Andrew)Mmmmmmm, Shrimp Salads/Pat Burgers/Deer Hunter/Only Unpretentious Bar In Cambridge.... Sisterly bonding sure comes at a price :)
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: RockShox007 on April 07, 2008, 05:14:14 PM
so guess who got stuck in the boston airport for 6 hours?

ewwww which terminal?

um... the ugly one? jet blue domestic flight.

Ouch! Sorry to hear... If it makes you feel better there was a 70 yo man sitting next to me from Newark all the way home who reeked of stale cigarettes and BO
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: UnoriginalAndrew on April 09, 2008, 02:09:53 PM
so guess who got stuck in the boston airport for 6 hours?

ewwww which terminal?

um... the ugly one? jet blue domestic flight.

Ouch! Sorry to hear... If it makes you feel better there was a 70 yo man sitting next to me from Newark all the way home who reeked of stale cigarettes and BO

Mmmm...stale cigarettes and BO.....

Oh wait, no actually that's disgusting.  Nevermind.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: anniehall on April 10, 2008, 08:32:11 PM
Thanks for answering all these questions!  Here's a new question on this thread for BU students re: financial aid, grants, etc.. I applied very late in the cycle to BU and got admitted quickly.  But I hadn't read the fine print re: financial aid, in that they don't consider you for any scholarships or grants except the Dean's award unless you've sent in the Need Access Form.  There are a couple mitigating factors, but basically due to my parents' income, I've been told I don't qualify for aid.  Of course, my parents aren't thrilled about footing the bill (they're old and haven't supported me for a couple years).  Prior to sending in the Need Access Form, I was told that due to my LSAT (167), I'd get substantial merit aid (but not a Dean's Scholarship).

So does anyone know what the deal is with this "merit and need-based" aid system?  Should I appeal it?  Is there an income cut-off or if I had a 180/4.0 and had cured cancer, would I be getting scholarship money and this is just their way of letting me down politely?  Or did I just apply too late?

Also, assuming I do have to pay full sticker price for BU via loans (on the waitlist at UVA), do you think it's worth it?  Not so sure I want to do corporate work--would prefer the public interest route . . .  At the same time, I'm a bit anxious about well-paying career prospects at BU, but perhaps unnecessarily so. 

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: coffeebean on April 11, 2008, 04:03:05 PM
Hey LSD-ers,

I went to the Open House today for BU and really liked what I heard about the school. One of the things I did hear is that if you show that it fits into your legal focus, that BU will allow you to take a class at any of its other schools AND it will count towards your JD. For example, if I was interested in legal reporting, then I could take a class in the College of Communication. I found this really interesting, but I was wondering, from your experience (this goes out to the BU law students) how easy is it to do this kind of thing? Or is this just something they say is easy but it's actually not?

Reply soon please because it's decision time!! Thanks!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on April 11, 2008, 04:07:03 PM
Hey LSD-ers,

I went to the Open House today for BU and really liked what I heard about the school. One of the things I did hear is that if you show that it fits into your legal focus, that BU will allow you to take a class at any of its other schools AND it will count towards your JD. For example, if I was interested in legal reporting, then I could take a class in the College of Communication. I found this really interesting, but I was wondering, from your experience (this goes out to the BU law students) how easy is it to do this kind of thing? Or is this just something they say is easy but it's actually not?

Reply soon please because it's decision time!! Thanks!

Sorry to hijack your question, but I don't think this one has come up before for the BC folks either (and it's a long thread!). This policy also exists at BC and seems to work pretty easily. A harder possibility is to take classes at other schools in the area (including HLS). I've heard this is possible, but haven't met anyone who's done it.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Ilovecheese on April 11, 2008, 08:22:47 PM
Could a BU student comment on environmental law offerings at BU? I checked BU's site and I see only 2 courses offered in the field.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: coffeebean on April 12, 2008, 05:46:52 AM
Can a BU student also respond to my previous question about how easy or hard it is to take classes from other BU schools while doing the JD?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dullashell on April 12, 2008, 07:47:37 AM
Can a BU student also respond to my previous question about how easy or hard it is to take classes from other BU schools while doing the JD?

First year, you have a set, loaded schedule.  Taking non-law courses is probably not an option, and if it were an option, it's not an advisable one.  Second year and third year, I understand that you are free to register for classes from other BU schools as long as you maintain the minimum law credits to graduate (meaning, not more than one non-law class or so per semester, unless you do a joint program).

Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Comrade Snarky on May 06, 2008, 11:43:07 PM
I've posted a similar question in  another thread (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4010260.0.html)), but it seems like it would be relevant here as well.

I'm a prospective BC student, and I have the option of virtually free housing in Medford, MA (relatives with an empty apartment in a two-family house).  Before being accepted to BC, I had planned to take the T to Suffolk (currently I don't own a car), but it appears that I would be in for a ~1.5 hour commute each way if I was to take public transportation to BC.

Anyone have any thoughts on whether this would be doable?  Would I need a car to make this work?  I suspect it would be about a 30-40 min drive.  Also, what's the parking situation like in/around campus -- I heard conflicting statements on this.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on May 07, 2008, 06:46:03 AM
I've posted a similar question in  another thread (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4010260.0.html)), but it seems like it would be relevant here as well.

I'm a prospective BC student, and I have the option of virtually free housing in Medford, MA (relatives with an empty apartment in a two-family house).  Before being accepted to BC, I had planned to take the T to Suffolk (currently I don't own a car), but it appears that I would be in for a ~1.5 hour commute each way if I was to take public transportation to BC.

Anyone have any thoughts on whether this would be doable?  Would I need a car to make this work?  I suspect it would be about a 30-40 min drive.  Also, what's the parking situation like in/around campus -- I heard conflicting statements on this.

Thanks in advance!

A 1.5 hr commute your 1st year of law school would be horrible.  I would say there is no way you should do that.  Time is very important your 1st year, and you will be stressed out beyond belief if you are wasting 3 hrs of your day each day just traveling.  Unless you are really dedicated/motivated and can study on crowded public transportation, in which case, it wouldn't be as bad, but still far from ideal.

Possibly your 2nd, and definitely your 3rd year, it will be less of an issue, so you can think of moving out there then.  You are in less of a time crunch and have control of scheduling your classes so you can try to plan it to work your life

Getting a car, or moving closer to campus, is definitely recommended.  There are no issues with parking on campus.   It can get crowded and so you might have to park like a 5 min walk away, but there is always a spot available.  It is appx $200 for the year.

Good luck with your choice.  Hope to see you at BC!
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 06:51:18 AM
I've posted a similar question in  another thread (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4010260.0.html)), but it seems like it would be relevant here as well.

I'm a prospective BC student, and I have the option of virtually free housing in Medford, MA (relatives with an empty apartment in a two-family house).  Before being accepted to BC, I had planned to take the T to Suffolk (currently I don't own a car), but it appears that I would be in for a ~1.5 hour commute each way if I was to take public transportation to BC.

Anyone have any thoughts on whether this would be doable?  Would I need a car to make this work?  I suspect it would be about a 30-40 min drive.  Also, what's the parking situation like in/around campus -- I heard conflicting statements on this.

Thanks in advance!

I'm waitlisted at BC (but as of now attending GW) and I have a condo in Braintree.  I once took public transit from my apartment to BC Law and it took me two f-in hours.  Moving isn't really an option since we own so I'd have to commute via car to BC - that would decrease my commute time by at least an hour, which I still think is a long commute.  I decided that if I go to BC, I would definitely get a used car.  Parking at BC Law is not a problem.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 07, 2008, 07:00:55 AM
RE: Commuting -- Can someone explain to me EXACTLY where the BC shuttle goes?  Can I live somewhere on the C or D line and not have a car (this is non-negotiable)?  I'm finding a lot more attractive options along those T lines than along the B line.

Also, Greenie, I know you tried to explain to me how this works before, but I just didn't get it.  Maybe someone has a link to the shuttle map . . .
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 07:07:08 AM
RE: Commuting -- Can someone explain to me EXACTLY where the BC shuttle goes?  Can I live somewhere on the C or D line and not have a car (this is non-negotiable)?  I'm finding a lot more attractive options along those T lines than along the B line.

Also, Greenie, I know you tried to explain to me how this works before, but I just didn't get it.  Maybe someone has a link to the shuttle map . . .

Shuttle Maps! >> http://www.bc.edu/offices/transportation/bus.html

You can see at least one shuttle stops at the Reservoir stop (on the D line) at Cleveland Circle (C line).

So yes you commute from the C or D line BUT you will have to take the *main* shuttle to campus, then switch to the *Newton* shuttle.  Basically the Newton shuttle ONLY goes from the main campus to the newton campus.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 07:11:13 AM
Alternatively if you're ambitious you can walk from the Newton Centre stop to BC Law, but it's about a mile long, so that's not really that awesome in the cold weather:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=newton+centre+t+stop&daddr=boston+college+newton+campus&sll=42.339181,-71.187265&sspn=0.011483,0.028667&ie=UTF8&z=15
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 07, 2008, 07:19:49 AM
RE: Commuting -- Can someone explain to me EXACTLY where the BC shuttle goes?  Can I live somewhere on the C or D line and not have a car (this is non-negotiable)?  I'm finding a lot more attractive options along those T lines than along the B line.

Also, Greenie, I know you tried to explain to me how this works before, but I just didn't get it.  Maybe someone has a link to the shuttle map . . .

Shuttle Maps! >> http://www.bc.edu/offices/transportation/bus.html

You can see at least one shuttle stops at the Reservoir stop (on the D line) at Cleveland Circle (C line).

So yes you commute from the C or D line BUT you will have to take the *main* shuttle to campus, then switch to the *Newton* shuttle.  Basically the Newton shuttle ONLY goes from the main campus to the newton campus.

Okay, the visual was helpful.  That, and when you tried to explain this before, I had much less idea what you were talking about. 

But crap, that sounds like way too much of a pain.  Which is frustrating because I'm now having a hard time finding housing.  >:(
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 07:21:49 AM
RE: Commuting -- Can someone explain to me EXACTLY where the BC shuttle goes?  Can I live somewhere on the C or D line and not have a car (this is non-negotiable)?  I'm finding a lot more attractive options along those T lines than along the B line.

Also, Greenie, I know you tried to explain to me how this works before, but I just didn't get it.  Maybe someone has a link to the shuttle map . . .

Shuttle Maps! >> http://www.bc.edu/offices/transportation/bus.html

You can see at least one shuttle stops at the Reservoir stop (on the D line) at Cleveland Circle (C line).

So yes you commute from the C or D line BUT you will have to take the *main* shuttle to campus, then switch to the *Newton* shuttle.  Basically the Newton shuttle ONLY goes from the main campus to the newton campus.

Okay, the visual was helpful.  That, and when you tried to explain this before, I had much less idea what you were talking about. 

But crap, that sounds like way too much of a pain.  Which is frustrating because I'm now having a hard time finding housing.  >:(

I would suggest trying to find a place within walking distance of Cleveland Circle/Reservoir (they are a block away from one another).  That way you minimize your commute to two shuttles and you still live on the green line if you want to get into the city.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 07, 2008, 07:32:03 AM
Yeah, I think I told you I looked at an awesome place right at Cleveland Circle but the girl I was looking with bailed on me  :'(

Meh, I'm just pissed because I had two appointments at what looked like really awesome places scheduled for this weekend, and I wrote to these people yesterday to confirm so I could buy my train ticket for Friday.  I haven't heard back from either of them, so I think they're bailing on me as well (so rude!!! What if I had just bought a ticket and showed up?).  AND I haven't seen anything on Craigslist that fits all my criteria in about a week.

Grrr.  >:(
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 07:33:47 AM
Yeah, I think I told you I looked at an awesome place right at Cleveland Circle but the girl I was looking with bailed on me  :'(

Meh, I'm just pissed because I had two appointments at what looked like really awesome places scheduled for this weekend, and I wrote to these people yesterday to confirm so I could buy my train ticket for Friday.  I haven't heard back from either of them, so I think they're bailing on me as well (so rude!!! What if I had just bought a ticket and showed up?).  AND I haven't seen anything on Craigslist that fits all my criteria in about a week.

Grrr.  >:(

That's frustrating - try to get people's phone numbers so you can hunt them down.  I felt the same way about DC and craiglist... I'm pretty much settling for the best thing I found even though it's expensive, and then next summer we can think about moving once we know the area more.  What's frustrating is that unlike Boston where rents  and housing costs decrease significantly as you get out to the 128 belt and out of the city, the same thing doesn't happen in DC - John and I were pretty surprised.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 07, 2008, 07:39:47 AM
Yeah, I think I told you I looked at an awesome place right at Cleveland Circle but the girl I was looking with bailed on me  :'(

Meh, I'm just pissed because I had two appointments at what looked like really awesome places scheduled for this weekend, and I wrote to these people yesterday to confirm so I could buy my train ticket for Friday.  I haven't heard back from either of them, so I think they're bailing on me as well (so rude!!! What if I had just bought a ticket and showed up?).  AND I haven't seen anything on Craigslist that fits all my criteria in about a week.

Grrr.  >:(

That's frustrating - try to get people's phone numbers so you can hunt them down.  I felt the same way about DC and craiglist... I'm pretty much settling for the best thing I found even though it's expensive, and then next summer we can think about moving once we know the area more.  What's frustrating is that unlike Boston where rents  and housing costs decrease significantly as you get out to the 128 belt and out of the city, the same thing doesn't happen in DC - John and I were pretty surprised.

Yeah, NOVA is actually more expensive than the District in a lot of places -- you have to get pretty far out, or at least far away from the Metro, before it gets cheap.  I have to say I was surprised when you said cost of living in DC was higher than Boston, but then I had to remember that my situation isn't . . . typical, I guess.

You're lucky, though, you're dealing with property managers/landlords who just want to rent their *&^% out and be done with it.  It's SOOOOO much worse when you're trying to move into a house with already established roommates who are looking for a new person.  They totally have the upper hand, and they're all like "are you available to come up here for two interviews, both in the middle of the week?" or some bull.  I just really hope I don't decide to just take the first thing that's offered to me.  I did this in DC out of frustration, and it was sort of a mistake.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 08:01:36 AM
Yeah, I think I told you I looked at an awesome place right at Cleveland Circle but the girl I was looking with bailed on me  :'(

Meh, I'm just pissed because I had two appointments at what looked like really awesome places scheduled for this weekend, and I wrote to these people yesterday to confirm so I could buy my train ticket for Friday.  I haven't heard back from either of them, so I think they're bailing on me as well (so rude!!! What if I had just bought a ticket and showed up?).  AND I haven't seen anything on Craigslist that fits all my criteria in about a week.

Grrr.  >:(

That's frustrating - try to get people's phone numbers so you can hunt them down.  I felt the same way about DC and craiglist... I'm pretty much settling for the best thing I found even though it's expensive, and then next summer we can think about moving once we know the area more.  What's frustrating is that unlike Boston where rents  and housing costs decrease significantly as you get out to the 128 belt and out of the city, the same thing doesn't happen in DC - John and I were pretty surprised.

Yeah, NOVA is actually more expensive than the District in a lot of places -- you have to get pretty far out, or at least far away from the Metro, before it gets cheap.  I have to say I was surprised when you said cost of living in DC was higher than Boston, but then I had to remember that my situation isn't . . . typical, I guess.

You're lucky, though, you're dealing with property managers/landlords who just want to rent their *&^% out and be done with it.  It's SOOOOO much worse when you're trying to move into a house with already established roommates who are looking for a new person.  They totally have the upper hand, and they're all like "are you available to come up here for two interviews, both in the middle of the week?" or some bull.  I just really hope I don't decide to just take the first thing that's offered to me.  I did this in DC out of frustration, and it was sort of a mistake.

What do you mean your situation isn't typical? (did I miss something?)

Yeah we looked at SO many places it was ridiculous and the ones in our desired locations and price range were just crappy.  Then we looked at the nice apartment buildings and it was like a different world but so much $$ argh.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 07, 2008, 08:09:14 AM
My situation's not typical in that my rent is $580/mo.

Nova is kind of a bad place to find housing.  There is definitely a huge disparity there because of how development has taken place -- there are a lot of ugly, crappy buildings, and then there are a lot of uber-luxurious condos and stuff, without a lot in between.  There also aren't really houses that have been converted into apartments like in the city, which IMO are the best option.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Comrade Snarky on May 07, 2008, 08:28:56 AM
I've posted a similar question in  another thread (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,4010260.0.html)), but it seems like it would be relevant here as well.

I'm a prospective BC student, and I have the option of virtually free housing in Medford, MA (relatives with an empty apartment in a two-family house).  Before being accepted to BC, I had planned to take the T to Suffolk (currently I don't own a car), but it appears that I would be in for a ~1.5 hour commute each way if I was to take public transportation to BC.

Anyone have any thoughts on whether this would be doable?  Would I need a car to make this work?  I suspect it would be about a 30-40 min drive.  Also, what's the parking situation like in/around campus -- I heard conflicting statements on
this.

Thanks in advance!

A 1.5 hr commute your 1st year of law school would be horrible.  I would say there is no way you should do that.  Time is very important your 1st year, and you will be stressed out beyond belief if you are wasting 3 hrs of your day each day just traveling.  Unless you are really dedicated/motivated and can study on crowded public transportation, in which case, it wouldn't be as bad, but still far from ideal.

Possibly your 2nd, and definitely your 3rd year, it will be less of an issue, so you can think of moving out there then.  You are in less of a time crunch and have control of scheduling your classes so you can try to plan it to work your life

Getting a car, or moving closer to campus, is definitely recommended.  There are no issues with parking on campus.   It can get crowded and so you might have to park like a 5 min walk away, but there is always a spot available.  It is appx $200 for the year.

Good luck with your choice.  Hope to see you at BC!


Looks like I'll be looking into a used car!  It's sort of funny -- my parents have always been vehemently opposed to the idea of me getting a car (I'm fresh out of undergrad, and there's no way my part-time job could finance a car without their help).  But as soon as I said "BC," suddenly they were more than willing to help out.   ;)

In any event, thanks so much for the input (greenie too!).
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 08:34:29 AM
My situation's not typical in that my rent is $580/mo.

Nova is kind of a bad place to find housing.  There is definitely a huge disparity there because of how development has taken place -- there are a lot of ugly, crappy buildings, and then there are a lot of uber-luxurious condos and stuff, without a lot in between.  There also aren't really houses that have been converted into apartments like in the city, which IMO are the best option.

Yeah I agree with your assessment regarding the huge disparity.  I also haven't heard the best things about the buses in Nova - just that they aren't reliable, but I guess that's the nature of buses in general.   We don't need to live in a luxury building, but we also refuse to live in an ugly crappy building, so we're kind of stuck with the luxury building.  There's also disparities between management companies - some are good, some are bad, and we definitely don't want to deal with the bad when moving to a new city and me starting 1L year.  That's why we ended up going with an expensive building, and we'll reevaluate next year.  We'd love to buy a little house or something...
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 07, 2008, 08:42:18 AM
My situation's not typical in that my rent is $580/mo.

Nova is kind of a bad place to find housing.  There is definitely a huge disparity there because of how development has taken place -- there are a lot of ugly, crappy buildings, and then there are a lot of uber-luxurious condos and stuff, without a lot in between.  There also aren't really houses that have been converted into apartments like in the city, which IMO are the best option.

Yeah I agree with your assessment regarding the huge disparity.  I also haven't heard the best things about the buses in Nova - just that they aren't reliable, but I guess that's the nature of buses in general.   We don't need to live in a luxury building, but we also refuse to live in an ugly crappy building, so we're kind of stuck with the luxury building.  There's also disparities between management companies - some are good, some are bad, and we definitely don't want to deal with the bad when moving to a new city and me starting 1L year.  That's why we ended up going with an expensive building, and we'll reevaluate next year.  We'd love to buy a little house or something...

They are terribly unreliable.  To a degree that I've never seen anywhere else.

It would be nice for you guys to buy a house, but the Nova housing market is generally pretty brutal, especially near Metro stations.  I grew up in a pretty normal/smallish single family home right next to the Vienna metro, and when my parents told me for how much they sold it in 2003-2004, it was like  :o.  And Arlington/Alexandria will be even more expensive.  Plus, if you're moving back to Boston, you may get killed both in terms of the market AND capital gains if you end up with something less expensive in Boston.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 07, 2008, 08:52:33 AM
My situation's not typical in that my rent is $580/mo.

Nova is kind of a bad place to find housing.  There is definitely a huge disparity there because of how development has taken place -- there are a lot of ugly, crappy buildings, and then there are a lot of uber-luxurious condos and stuff, without a lot in between.  There also aren't really houses that have been converted into apartments like in the city, which IMO are the best option.

Yeah I agree with your assessment regarding the huge disparity.  I also haven't heard the best things about the buses in Nova - just that they aren't reliable, but I guess that's the nature of buses in general.   We don't need to live in a luxury building, but we also refuse to live in an ugly crappy building, so we're kind of stuck with the luxury building.  There's also disparities between management companies - some are good, some are bad, and we definitely don't want to deal with the bad when moving to a new city and me starting 1L year.  That's why we ended up going with an expensive building, and we'll reevaluate next year.  We'd love to buy a little house or something...

They are terribly unreliable.  To a degree that I've never seen anywhere else.

It would be nice for you guys to buy a house, but the Nova housing market is generally pretty brutal, especially near Metro stations.  I grew up in a pretty normal/smallish single family home right next to the Vienna metro, and when my parents told me for how much they sold it in 2003-2004, it was like  :o.  And Arlington/Alexandria will be even more expensive.  Plus, if you're moving back to Boston, you may get killed both in terms of the market AND capital gains if you end up with something less expensive in Boston.

Right, makes me wonder if it's just best to rent in one of these "luxury" apartments for three years, even though it's really expensive.  This is definitely factoring into the fact that GW will be more expensive for me.  I think John right now is comfortable with moving to NoVa/DC "indefinitely" since he's looking for a job.  If he ends up liking it he won't want to leave haha.  I learned a lot about the housing market, buses, and rental market in DC/NoVa this weekend that worries me, but at least I have a better picture of things.  I was looking for places within walking distance of a metro - even out in Vienna but they were just like not that significantly less money than I would have thought, they are almost the same damn price as the ones in the Rosslyn-Ballston corridor.  John's going to get a job in NoVa most likely (thats where the tech companies are and where both of his interviews were), so it's really best for us to live in NoVa for his commute...

Next year we'll reevaluate and we'll be there so we can make better assessments of everything.  If we can't buy a small house, we'd be able to afford a condo, but we're really hesitant to buy a condo again (we live in one now as you know).  Just the nature of condo owning makes us nervous to get into it again.  We may wait a few years after law school and such, down the line until we have proper money to buy a nice place we like and it's in the right location and everything.  We're moving to a much harder housing market... but then again we may come back to Boston where it's not that bad right now.  Then AGAIN with the market like it is who knows how things will look.  But it's just a one-year lease, so we can reevaluate next summer.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 07, 2008, 09:02:21 AM
Conclusion:  I don't think I'm going to actually buy a residence until after I retire.

If you don't mind me asking, how much are you paying for your new place?  Because next year, depending on where John is working, there may actually be less expensive options in the city that would be reasonable commutes for both of you.  (You can PM if you don't want to post it, and we've hijacked this thread like whoa anyway).  It just really depends on where he will end up working in Nova -- there are some areas that it would be workable, or even more convenient, and there are some areas where it would be pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 08, 2008, 08:02:19 AM
He didn't get the job in McLean so now it's all up to the one south of Dulles... do you know if a reverse commute is horrible?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 08, 2008, 08:19:42 AM
He didn't get the job in McLean so now it's all up to the one south of Dulles... do you know if a reverse commute is horrible?

Sorry  :'(

Do you have a map?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 08, 2008, 08:22:01 AM
He didn't get the job in McLean so now it's all up to the one south of Dulles... do you know if a reverse commute is horrible?

Sorry  :'(

Do you have a map?

Yeah I have a map why?  I mean would a commute from Arlington to Chantilly be really bad?  I don't know anything about DC traffic.  All I hear is that it's bad but so is Boston traffic.  I would think most people would commute INTO the city on 66 - not out, right?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 08, 2008, 08:28:29 AM
Oh, I wanted to see if he had to take the toll road.  If he were going to an address where he would basically have to drive to the airport, that would be hairy all the time since, you know, people fly out of there constantly.

On the other hand, a lot of the time the toll road is better than 66, especially going towards the city.  It mostly gets airport traffic since you have to pay a toll and all.

Reverse commuting here is better than the other way around, but there's just traffic here everywhere, all the time, especially with the explosion of business and development in Nova.  A lot of people now do cross-Nova commutes.  So it's not like he'll be breezing down the highway while everyone else is going the opposite direction and sitting in gridlock.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 AM
Oh, I wanted to see if he had to take the toll road.  If he were going to an address where he would basically have to drive to the airport, that would be hairy all the time since, you know, people fly out of there constantly.

On the other hand, a lot of the time the toll road is better than 66, especially going towards the city.  It mostly gets airport traffic since you have to pay a toll and all.

Reverse commuting here is better than the other way around, but there's just traffic here everywhere, all the time, especially with the explosion of business and development in Nova.  A lot of people now do cross-Nova commutes.  So it's not like he'll be breezing down the highway while everyone else is going the opposite direction and sitting in gridlock.

No it's out on 66 south of Dulles.  So he'd be commuting on 66 from Arlington out there in the morning, and the reverse home.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: dischord on May 08, 2008, 08:32:31 AM
Well then my last paragraph applies.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: MrDiggler on May 08, 2008, 12:15:31 PM
hey all,

i was hoping someone can give me a little advice. im deciding between fordham and BU, and i'm pretty sure, but not 100% sure, that i want to practice in nyc. i know that translates to a "go to fordham," but i like BU and think its a better law school. i don't want to work in public interest and i have not received a scholarship of any sort at either school.

what do ya'll think?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 10, 2008, 03:05:05 PM
Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: Stuje1 on May 10, 2008, 06:24:42 PM
Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?

BC does not rank their students.   However, they do provide a chart that tells people the grade marks for every 5% from top 5% to the median.  In other words, they will tell you that the top5% GPA is a 3.67 and top 10% is 3.64 and so on down every 5% until the median.  It is nothing official though and you don't have to use it if you don't want to (it is not on your transcript), but is nice to be able to tell employers if you do want to say something like "top 20%."

OCI employers choose students to interview like at any other law school...mostly grades with consideration to journals membership and other extracurriculars.  We do have a lottery system, in which we resreve a certain percentage of interview spots for people to get in to interview at random, not based on grades or anything.  I cant remember what percent it is...maybe 10 or 20%.  I know a fair amount of people who got jobs that way.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 10, 2008, 06:34:03 PM
Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?

BC does not rank their students.   However, they do provide a chart that tells people the grade marks for every 5% from top 5% to the median.  In other words, they will tell you that the top5% GPA is a 3.67 and top 10% is 3.64 and so on down every 5% until the median.  It is nothing official though and you don't have to use it if you don't want to (it is not on your transcript), but is nice to be able to tell employers if you do want to say something like "top 20%."

OCI employers choose students to interview like at any other law school...mostly grades with consideration to journals membership and other extracurriculars.  We do have a lottery system, in which we resreve a certain percentage of interview spots for people to get in to interview at random, not based on grades or anything.  I cant remember what percent it is...maybe 10 or 20%.  I know a fair amount of people who got jobs that way.

If I'm getting in off the waitlist I'm wondering if it's better than the system at GW.... hmmm

I think GW just does top 15% then top 33% and then doesn't rank anyone else.  That doesn't really bode well for people below 33%... hmmmm *thinks*
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on May 12, 2008, 05:09:16 AM
Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?

BC does not rank their students.   However, they do provide a chart that tells people the grade marks for every 5% from top 5% to the median.  In other words, they will tell you that the top5% GPA is a 3.67 and top 10% is 3.64 and so on down every 5% until the median.  It is nothing official though and you don't have to use it if you don't want to (it is not on your transcript), but is nice to be able to tell employers if you do want to say something like "top 20%."

OCI employers choose students to interview like at any other law school...mostly grades with consideration to journals membership and other extracurriculars.  We do have a lottery system, in which we resreve a certain percentage of interview spots for people to get in to interview at random, not based on grades or anything.  I cant remember what percent it is...maybe 10 or 20%.  I know a fair amount of people who got jobs that way.

If I'm getting in off the waitlist I'm wondering if it's better than the system at GW.... hmmm

I think GW just does top 15% then top 33% and then doesn't rank anyone else.  That doesn't really bode well for people below 33%... hmmmm *thinks*

I would just note that incoming lsat/gpa doesn't mean squat when you show up. Some people just aren't good standardized test takers. I lucked out with decent scholarship money because of good numbers coming in, but I know that people with a lower index score kicked my butt in grades/journals. You just really never know how these things will turn out.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 12, 2008, 06:33:38 AM
Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?

BC does not rank their students.   However, they do provide a chart that tells people the grade marks for every 5% from top 5% to the median.  In other words, they will tell you that the top5% GPA is a 3.67 and top 10% is 3.64 and so on down every 5% until the median.  It is nothing official though and you don't have to use it if you don't want to (it is not on your transcript), but is nice to be able to tell employers if you do want to say something like "top 20%."

OCI employers choose students to interview like at any other law school...mostly grades with consideration to journals membership and other extracurriculars.  We do have a lottery system, in which we resreve a certain percentage of interview spots for people to get in to interview at random, not based on grades or anything.  I cant remember what percent it is...maybe 10 or 20%.  I know a fair amount of people who got jobs that way.

If I'm getting in off the waitlist I'm wondering if it's better than the system at GW.... hmmm

I think GW just does top 15% then top 33% and then doesn't rank anyone else.  That doesn't really bode well for people below 33%... hmmmm *thinks*

I would just note that incoming lsat/gpa doesn't mean squat when you show up. Some people just aren't good standardized test takers. I lucked out with decent scholarship money because of good numbers coming in, but I know that people with a lower index score kicked my butt in grades/journals. You just really never know how these things will turn out.

Thanks but I'm 100% curious what you think that has to do with me or what I was asking?
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on May 12, 2008, 04:38:56 PM
Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?

BC does not rank their students.   However, they do provide a chart that tells people the grade marks for every 5% from top 5% to the median.  In other words, they will tell you that the top5% GPA is a 3.67 and top 10% is 3.64 and so on down every 5% until the median.  It is nothing official though and you don't have to use it if you don't want to (it is not on your transcript), but is nice to be able to tell employers if you do want to say something like "top 20%."

OCI employers choose students to interview like at any other law school...mostly grades with consideration to journals membership and other extracurriculars.  We do have a lottery system, in which we resreve a certain percentage of interview spots for people to get in to interview at random, not based on grades or anything.  I cant remember what percent it is...maybe 10 or 20%.  I know a fair amount of people who got jobs that way.

If I'm getting in off the waitlist I'm wondering if it's better than the system at GW.... hmmm

I think GW just does top 15% then top 33% and then doesn't rank anyone else.  That doesn't really bode well for people below 33%... hmmmm *thinks*

I would just note that incoming lsat/gpa doesn't mean squat when you show up. Some people just aren't good standardized test takers. I lucked out with decent scholarship money because of good numbers coming in, but I know that people with a lower index score kicked my butt in grades/journals. You just really never know how these things will turn out.

Thanks but I'm 100% curious what you think that has to do with me or what I was asking?

I understood your comment to mean that you were considering whether you'd have a tougher time at GW getting a ranking to report to employers than you would at BC. Generally speaking, I don't believe you can base a decision on something like ranking since you really have no idea how it'll all turn out. It's more important to consider how deep in a class an employer will go and how they treat lottery picks.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 12, 2008, 04:54:15 PM
Hey does anyone know if BC ranks students?  How to OCI employers choose amoung students for interviews?

BC does not rank their students.   However, they do provide a chart that tells people the grade marks for every 5% from top 5% to the median.  In other words, they will tell you that the top5% GPA is a 3.67 and top 10% is 3.64 and so on down every 5% until the median.  It is nothing official though and you don't have to use it if you don't want to (it is not on your transcript), but is nice to be able to tell employers if you do want to say something like "top 20%."

OCI employers choose students to interview like at any other law school...mostly grades with consideration to journals membership and other extracurriculars.  We do have a lottery system, in which we resreve a certain percentage of interview spots for people to get in to interview at random, not based on grades or anything.  I cant remember what percent it is...maybe 10 or 20%.  I know a fair amount of people who got jobs that way.

If I'm getting in off the waitlist I'm wondering if it's better than the system at GW.... hmmm

I think GW just does top 15% then top 33% and then doesn't rank anyone else.  That doesn't really bode well for people below 33%... hmmmm *thinks*

I would just note that incoming lsat/gpa doesn't mean squat when you show up. Some people just aren't good standardized test takers. I lucked out with decent scholarship money because of good numbers coming in, but I know that people with a lower index score kicked my butt in grades/journals. You just really never know how these things will turn out.

Thanks but I'm 100% curious what you think that has to do with me or what I was asking?

I understood your comment to mean that you were considering whether you'd have a tougher time at GW getting a ranking to report to employers than you would at BC. Generally speaking, I don't believe you can base a decision on something like ranking since you really have no idea how it'll all turn out. It's more important to consider how deep in a class an employer will go and how they treat lottery picks.

I wasn't basing this thought on ranking or lsat or gpa.  I was just thinking at GW there seems to be a harder line on the top 33%... whereas BC doesn't have that AND they have the lottery thing which helps out too.
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: greenie on May 14, 2008, 06:46:40 AM
yikes - http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/05/overnight_derai.html
Title: Re: ITT a BU 1L and a BC 1L answer questions with civility
Post by: nukelaw on May 15, 2008, 04:13:47 AM
yikes - http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2008/05/overnight_derai.html

This actually was a pain in the ass to get around when I was coming back from the bars at Harvard and Comm. that night. Yet another reason to bring a car to Boston. Aside from the red line, public transit in Boston pretty much sucks.