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Law Students => Incoming 1Ls => Topic started by: lawgirl2007 on August 11, 2007, 02:58:12 PM

Title: Study aids?
Post by: lawgirl2007 on August 11, 2007, 02:58:12 PM
OK, aside from your main required texts, what are all of you getting or what did you find helpful in 1L? I have the E&E for contracts so far. Bad thing is, I can't afford much.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: skeeball on August 11, 2007, 04:00:27 PM
I'm waiting until classes get started and I can talk to some 2Ls and see what they recommend. Maybe the prof will recommend something. I already have one for Torts because it was listed as a required text on the syllabus.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: lawgirl2007 on August 11, 2007, 07:05:47 PM
That's a good idea. I think I may follow your lead. :)
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: ilsox7 on August 13, 2007, 12:03:06 AM
I swear by Emmanuels (except I used Gilberts for Property).  But Emmanuels was my lifeline.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: wolfpack2 on August 17, 2007, 11:00:07 AM
I was going to buy a few study aids in the second or third week of class, to see what I need and what other people were using.  At orientation the librarian showed us that they have multiple copies of the major study aids for every class. One of the 3Ls on our student board did say he used "High Court Summaries" so I'm going to check those out, because they aren't at our library.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: Butters Stotch on August 17, 2007, 12:01:43 PM
I read the E&E books and worked some of the hypos over the summer.  I think they are great.  Some folks have also recommended getting an emanual outline keyed to your particular text, but I haven't done that yet. 
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: freddy2000 on August 17, 2007, 12:18:02 PM
It seems everyone says not to use commercial outlines too much, but it seems all law students use it? What I did for my undergrad is buy my books online used, I've looked at some of the emanuel and gilbert outlines, they are pretty cheap used. It seems a lot of people recommend them to a certain extent (e.g., http://www.pashalaw.com) But I'll try it and see.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: jd06 on August 17, 2007, 12:34:42 PM
It seems everyone says not to use commercial outlines too much, but it seems all law students use it? What I did for my undergrad is buy my books online used, I've looked at some of the emanuel and gilbert outlines, they are pretty cheap used. It seems a lot of people recommend them to a certain extent (e.g., http://www.pashalaw.com) But I'll try it and see.

This is so true.  Professors and some holier than thou fellow students will tell you that you don't need 'em, but the bookstore can't keep 'em on the shelf.  I agree with the above poster re Emmanual's - they were my lifeline as well.  Enable you to synthesize and make sense of the pile of case law thrown your way.  These common law concepts have been around for hundreds of years - no sense reinventing the wheel.  That work has already been done for you so you can spend your time actually preparing for exams rather than perparing an outline...
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: brett favre on August 17, 2007, 02:15:50 PM
The only reason professors tell you not to use supplements is because they are worried that students will quit reading the case and doing their own briefs.  Doing the actual reading and your own briefs is extremely important because that teaches you to extract the relevant facts and spot issues.

BUT---sometimes is it tough to point out the rule of law, or the issue ect and the supplements make sense of it all.  So....use the supplements to actually supplement your reading, but not as a short cut.

But saying not to use them all all is complete BS IMO.  Use them,  don't abuse them. 
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: jd06 on August 17, 2007, 03:04:12 PM
The only reason professors tell you not to use supplements is because they are worried that students will quit reading the case and doing their own briefs.  Doing the actual reading and your own briefs is extremely important because that teaches you to extract the relevant facts and spot issues.

BUT---sometimes is it tough to point out the rule of law, or the issue ect and the supplements make sense of it all.  So....use the supplements to actually supplement your reading, but not as a short cut.

But saying not to use them all all is complete BS IMO.  Use them,  don't abuse them. 

Very well stated.  I read and briefed every case, as well.  The commercial outlines simply enable you to efficiently and effectively tie it all together.   








Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: skeeball on August 17, 2007, 07:49:35 PM
One of my prof's had an E&E book as a required text, another one specifically recommended the series at orientation today. I think more profs are accepting that they're a valuable source, so long as you still read the cases.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: law_3000 on August 20, 2007, 08:11:04 PM
Try the interactive study aids at at www.interactivelegaltools.com . They've got a free video of exam tips by a Michigan professor, and you can download audio or video lectures for first year classes. The lectures are pretty short (under 5 hrs), so it's a good overview of first year courses.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: vercingetorix on August 20, 2007, 10:34:18 PM
you need the E&E's for the classes you are taking.  they are a godsend.  the outlines are also crucial.  clearly you need to read each and every case assigned (and two or three times) but the E&E's coupled with the outlines will give you crucial elements that the fiercely edited cases in the casebooks do not cover (many even find it useful to read the outlines before the actual cases) especially that "black letter law" most professors forget to dwell on until it's exam time.  as for briefing cases, this is an egregious waste of time.  unless you are called upon and come across as hostile or deliberately stupid (which you won't be if you've read each case at least twice along with the complimentary outline and E&E material), your class participation counts for zero.  i also strongly recommend (in order) LEEWS (with the CD's) PLS II, and Delaney's Intro to Logical Reasoning and his Exam Taking books.  Your take on expense is understandable but sadly inadequate.  for all the money you are spending on school, you can ill afford to skim on books which will give you the advantage you need to excel.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: slacker on August 21, 2007, 10:40:03 AM
I'm waiting until classes get started and I can talk to some 2Ls and see what they recommend. Maybe the prof will recommend something. I already have one for Torts because it was listed as a required text on the syllabus.

This is the best advise thus far. A caveat on study aids is that what works for one won't necessarily work for someone else, but figuring out what was best for most based on a particular professor is a good place to start.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: Betty_Crocker on August 21, 2007, 12:10:06 PM
For those on the ghetto route in law school, you can't beat Wikipedia when it comes to case briefs, especially for con law. Another great source is using other student's outlines. Why reinvent the wheel when you can get an outline from a student who already took the class and (hopefully) cranked out a good grade. Some commercial supplements are good, but it all depends on what your professor is ultimately looking for. Some professors really want the black letter law, others want alternative points of views and red herrings. Again, I think your best source will be upperclassmen. Most schools have a mentoring program with 2Ls & 3Ls, don't be afraid to ask these people for help and/or outlines. I can't think of a singler person in my class that hasn't at least looked at another student's class notes, outlines, flow chart, or other study materials.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: marlinspike on August 21, 2007, 04:31:49 PM
It appears law school courses a much more similar than I thought to what I did in the two legal classes we had at my undergrad (crim law and civ liberties). The only study aid I needed for those was oyez.org when I was having trouble with a case. Is the only benefit of these pay for study aids that oyez won't have non-supreme court cases (i.e. are these study aiids basically just oyez on steroids)?
Title: Re: Study aids?
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Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: agroothuis on September 12, 2007, 02:13:37 PM
Preface this with saying I work for this organization, though we are a non-profit and you can get all of our stuff for free if you go to a member law school (which is virtually every law school).

Check out CALI Lessons.

www.cali.org/lessons (http://www.cali.org/lessons)

Lessons are free to students, really interactive, written by law professors, and totally computer-based.

If you want to know how to get a user account, contact your school's CALI Contact (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts)) or shoot me an email: agroothuis@cali.org.

Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: StudentUVA on September 13, 2007, 12:32:28 PM
Preface this with saying I work for this organization, though we are a non-profit and you can get all of our stuff for free if you go to a member law school (which is virtually every law school).

Check out CALI Lessons.

www.cali.org/lessons (http://www.cali.org/lessons)

Lessons are free to students, really interactive, written by law professors, and totally computer-based.

If you want to know how to get a user account, contact your school's CALI Contact (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts)) or shoot me an email: agroothuis@cali.org.


It seems that UVA no longer gives its students access to Cali... sigh
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: agroothuis on September 13, 2007, 02:44:34 PM
Preface this with saying I work for this organization, though we are a non-profit and you can get all of our stuff for free if you go to a member law school (which is virtually every law school).

Check out CALI Lessons.

www.cali.org/lessons (http://www.cali.org/lessons)

Lessons are free to students, really interactive, written by law professors, and totally computer-based.

If you want to know how to get a user account, contact your school's CALI Contact (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts)) or shoot me an email: agroothuis@cali.org.


It seems that UVA no longer gives its students access to Cali... sigh

Yep. I believed they decided not to renew this year.

One of the, maybe, six ABA schools that do not provide access for their students.

Feel free to contact your school administration if you miss us. We miss you!  ;)
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on September 13, 2007, 03:17:35 PM
Preface this with saying I work for this organization, though we are a non-profit and you can get all of our stuff for free if you go to a member law school (which is virtually every law school).

Check out CALI Lessons.

www.cali.org/lessons (http://www.cali.org/lessons)

Lessons are free to students, really interactive, written by law professors, and totally computer-based.

If you want to know how to get a user account, contact your school's CALI Contact (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts)) or shoot me an email: agroothuis@cali.org.



i got one of these cds but haven't used it yet...what exactly is CALI?
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on September 13, 2007, 03:45:22 PM
MCB is my study guide.   :)

 ;) :-*
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: Butters Stotch on September 13, 2007, 09:00:58 PM
If you can find a casebook keyed to your text, BUY IT.  It'll save tons of time that you would have otherwise wasted briefing cases.

And, again, the E&E books are delicious.  I am > two weeks ahead in my substantive classes thanks to them.
Title: Re: Study aids?
Post by: Butters Stotch on September 13, 2007, 09:02:35 PM
Preface this with saying I work for this organization, though we are a non-profit and you can get all of our stuff for free if you go to a member law school (which is virtually every law school).

Check out CALI Lessons.

www.cali.org/lessons (http://www.cali.org/lessons)

Lessons are free to students, really interactive, written by law professors, and totally computer-based.

If you want to know how to get a user account, contact your school's CALI Contact (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts (http://www2.cali.org/index.php?fuseaction=members.contacts)) or shoot me an email: agroothuis@cali.org.



i got one of these cds but haven't used it yet...what exactly is CALI?

http://www2.cali.org/

Pretty damned awesome IMHO.  A great self-test tool.