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Specific Groups => Canadian Law Students => Topic started by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 06:01:59 AM

Title: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 06:01:59 AM
so my deadline to get all of my applications out is Oct. 1 since I'm getting really really behind in my classes right now.

Anyways, anyone signed up for OLSAS yet?  What's it like?  I've given about 2 days to complete all of my Canadian apps and I'm applying to UofT, UBC, UVic ... and slight chance of applying to Osgoode.

Has anyone applied to UBC yet?  What's their app. like?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 09:01:44 AM
so my deadline to get all of my applications out is Oct. 1 since I'm getting really really behind in my classes right now.

Anyways, anyone signed up for OLSAS yet?  What's it like?  I've given about 2 days to complete all of my Canadian apps and I'm applying to UofT, UBC, UVic ... and slight chance of applying to Osgoode.

Has anyone applied to UBC yet?  What's their app. like?

OLSAS is okay.  It could be a bit more intuative but it's functional regardless.  Fairly straight forward.  The autobiographical sketch area is easily the weakest part of the website.  Everything else is fairly simple.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 07:27:37 PM
very interesting.  have you applied to any schools yet?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 07:31:06 PM
Western and Queen's are done, but the application must be sent in when everything is done.  Still need to do the Osgoode personal statements.  I find those to be very dumb, btw.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 07:34:47 PM
i KNOW ...

I'm planning on writing Osgoode and bitching about this.  For me to apply, I would have to write 2 more, 2000 word essays.  It's absolutely ridiculous.  York is always like this.  I turned down a tonn of money from them when I decided on my ugrad. because of their stupid policies.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 07:36:58 PM
Wait, it's not 2000 words, it's 2000 characters.  That should make it quite a bit easier.  Still, the questions remain stupid.  How has my experience prepared me for law school?  How the hell should I know, I haven't BEEN to law school yet!  Seriously...
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 07:38:41 PM
ahah ... 2000 characters is much better.  that's like a post on LSD.

Anyways, yeah ... i found Northwestern's application a bit like that but I can see where they were coming from, because they're looking for more 'experienced' applicants.  Where did you do your undergrad again?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 07:39:38 PM
ahah ... 2000 characters is much better.  that's like a post on LSD.

Anyways, yeah ... i found Northwestern's application a bit like that but I can see where they were coming from, because they're looking for more 'experienced' applicants.  Where did you do your undergrad again?

University of craptacular Waterloo.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 07:43:49 PM
blah ... I heard they have a sick golf team.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 07:45:26 PM
blah ... I heard they have a sick golf team.

I don't know, but I can tell you that the school has sucked all soul out me.  Another reason I'm apprehensive about Osgoode is because every time I go there I think 'well, this reminds me of UW.'  NOT a good thing  :(
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 07:50:17 PM
UofT is the ultimate soul sucker! ... I actually like the school and stuff ... its just other schools are so much MORE fun :D
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 07:52:49 PM
UofT is the ultimate soul sucker! ... I actually like the school and stuff ... its just other schools are so much MORE fun :D

Tell me about it.  I remember spending a weekend at Western and people actually didn't clear out into the burrowing grounds.  The campus was quite busy.  Wouldn't happen in UW in a billion years.  But then why would it?  There's nothing to do and the school has to be #1 ugliest school in Ontario (or #2 behind Trent).
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 07:56:37 PM
haha ... true.

I spend a lot of time at other schools visiting friends and stuff.  I went to windsor last week and tomorrow I'm actually heading to Guelph for the night.  Guelph is the greatest school.  I'm thinking MA there if I don't get into a law school.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 08:01:38 PM
haha ... true.

I spend a lot of time at other schools visiting friends and stuff.  I went to windsor last week and tomorrow I'm actually heading to Guelph for the night.  Guelph is the greatest school.  I'm thinking MA there if I don't get into a law school.

Guelph is a sweet school.  I hate taking the Waterloo/Guelph/Toronto bus because the bus driver ALWAYS says 'hey, UW guys, look at what a real school looks like.'  Ouch!
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 08:06:34 PM
hahah ... that's pretty funny.  I'm glad you're not applying to UofT with your GPA.  Makes one less person applying there.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 08:09:27 PM
hahah ... that's pretty funny.  I'm glad you're not applying to UofT with your GPA.  Makes one less person applying there.

Lucky you are indeed  ;D.  UofT takes percentages and not the GPA.  Big advantage to UW students.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 08:10:27 PM
really?  damn ... whatever, I have no clue what my chances are at that school. 
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 08:12:31 PM
really?  damn ... whatever, I have no clue what my chances are at that school. 

OK, actually the official story is that I don't know.  BUT, my friend got into UofT last year and he was assessed in percentages.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 08:16:14 PM
i guess i'll just have to wait and see ...
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 08:17:14 PM
i guess i'll just have to wait and see ...


If you don't mind me asking, what is your GPA and did you do the LSAT yet?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 08:22:39 PM
LSAT 167

GPA is messed up ... I have a 4.0 in economics ... and I'm ranking in the top 5 students of the program (which i think is ranked at the top in the country)

Anyways, I also have a 3.45 in engineering.  It was a program called engineering science ... kinda like engineering physics as UW ...  still, it droups my GPA and makes me boarderline at UofT.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 08:30:22 PM
LSAT 167

GPA is messed up ... I have a 4.0 in economics ... and I'm ranking in the top 5 students of the program (which i think is ranked at the top in the country)

Anyways, I also have a 3.45 in engineering.  It was a program called engineering science ... kinda like engineering physics as UW ...  still, it droups my GPA and makes me boarderline at UofT.

I'd say you're a shoe-in.  Remember they drop the worst year.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 22, 2004, 08:33:06 PM
that's actually not true ...

they only drop the last year to calculate their numbers and send them in for reporting.  In admissions decisions, they use every year.  Plus I did five years ... hahaha
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 09:58:28 PM
So this is on their website:

In recent years, successful regular applicants had a median LSAT score in the 94th percentile, and a median cumulative undergraduate academic record of about 84% (in the case of applicants with four years undergraduate experience, this statistic is based on the best three of the four years).

What you're saying is that this is just a reporting tactic?  That's so insidious on their part, it's almost fraudulent.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 22, 2004, 10:22:06 PM
BTW, I think you still have an excellent shot at it.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 23, 2004, 06:36:06 AM
basically ... yes, it's just a reporting tactic.

It's not really fraudulent because people know this is the case.  In your quote, notice that they actually hint towards this.  That they're admits have an 84% average based on their best three years ... but no where does it say that they admit people based on their best three years.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 23, 2004, 06:46:52 AM
basically ... yes, it's just a reporting tactic.

It's not really fraudulent because people know this is the case.  In your quote, notice that they actually hint towards this.  That they're admits have an 84% average based on their best three years ... but no where does it say that they admit people based on their best three years.

Still very sneaky.  But actually, doesn't that mean that the overall average for 4 or 5 years maybe lower, otherwise they wouldn't bother putting this?

In any case, I still think you have a very good chance.  They're not quite robots, and will look at the upward scale in your grade, and the difficulty of the program if I am not mistaken.. 
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 23, 2004, 08:05:48 AM
yeah, i'll have to keep my fingers crossed.

I really didn't want to go to law school at UofT but I'm very interested in their MA, doctorate program in economics ... and I can combine that with their law program.  So we'll have to see.  I live right across the street from the law school and I've been in there a few times to talk to them and get to know them.

I plan on dropping my application off personally and maybe asking some of the members of the admissions staff out on a date ;) ... just kidding ...
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 23, 2004, 10:50:21 AM
yeah, i'll have to keep my fingers crossed.

I really didn't want to go to law school at UofT but I'm very interested in their MA, doctorate program in economics ... and I can combine that with their law program.  So we'll have to see.  I live right across the street from the law school and I've been in there a few times to talk to them and get to know them.

I plan on dropping my application off personally and maybe asking some of the members of the admissions staff out on a date ;) ... just kidding ...

Is UofT your first choice, or is a US school your first choice?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 23, 2004, 12:18:45 PM
its hard to say ...

UofT is probably my first Canadian choice.  I'm not sure if I'm ready to make the commitment to studying/practice in the US and going through all the req. procedures (ie. visa/work permit/citizenship stuff).  But I'm def. very serious about applying to US schools.  If I got into one of my top choices, I'm almost certain I would go down there.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 23, 2004, 12:39:19 PM
its hard to say ...

UofT is probably my first Canadian choice.  I'm not sure if I'm ready to make the commitment to studying/practice in the US and going through all the req. procedures (ie. visa/work permit/citizenship stuff).  But I'm def. very serious about applying to US schools.  If I got into one of my top choices, I'm almost certain I would go down there.

Cool, gl!
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 23, 2004, 01:07:12 PM
thanks
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on September 24, 2004, 05:24:54 PM
I am really interested in the J.D./LLB programs from Ottawa and Windsor.

Western is still my first choice if i'm going to be in Ontario.
U of T is 2nd.
Windsor and Ottawa are interesting only for the J.D./LLB option

Matt
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 25, 2004, 07:50:03 AM
I went to windsor for a semester and absolutely loved it.  Too bad their law program really isn't an option for me ...
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: JBI on September 25, 2004, 09:02:50 AM
I went to windsor for a semester and absolutely loved it.  Too bad their law program really isn't an option for me ...

Because ..... ?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 25, 2004, 09:47:22 AM
ummm, my training (i figure skate)

anyways, i moved from toronto -> detroit to train ... and switched to windsor so I could go to school.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: JBI on September 25, 2004, 01:40:57 PM
Ah I see, I just thought maybe there was some reason why Windsor wouldn't be good.

Cheers
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 25, 2004, 02:05:55 PM
oh ... well, i believe it was ranked last (their undergrad anyways) in the past year's university rankings (by macleans)
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 27, 2004, 08:33:45 AM
oh ... well, i believe it was ranked last (their undergrad anyways) in the past year's university rankings (by macleans)

I wouldn't put much stock in macleans undergrad surveys.  As I said many times, their pet school, University of Waterloo, is mostly crap.  Not to mention it took my bro, who graduated from coveted engineering, two years to find a decent job.  Marks are way more important than macleans.  I would be more concerned by the fact that Windsor has a really hideous campus  :( But then again, at least it has quite a bit of student activity.

That being said, the LLB/JD seems to be a waste of time, and also $$$.  The consensus on this one seems to be: if you want to practice in Canada, just get an LLB (or the 'JD' from UT).  If you want to practice in the US, get their JD from a _decent_ school (Windsor's partners are not considered exactly the best).  If you want to practice internationally, McGill's the best bet, or get a BCL from Oxford once you're done the LLB  ;) 
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 27, 2004, 02:58:48 PM
oh ... well, i believe it was ranked last (their undergrad anyways) in the past year's university rankings (by macleans)

I wouldn't put much stock in macleans undergrad surveys.  As I said many times, their pet school, University of Waterloo, is mostly crap.  Not to mention it took my bro, who graduated from coveted engineering, two years to find a decent job.  Marks are way more important than macleans.  I would be more concerned by the fact that Windsor has a really hideous campus  :( But then again, at least it has quite a bit of student activity.

true ... I actually couldn't decide between UofT or Windsor for my final year, so I flipped a coin.  UofT won.  Anyways, I love windsor.  Their campus isn't great but the social life is amazing.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Matthew_24_24 on September 27, 2004, 03:33:09 PM
Ya, but wouldn't a JD from Windsor be cheaper?

I like the flexibility.  Employment has never been a concern really. 

Matt
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 27, 2004, 03:50:44 PM
cheaper yes ...

I really don't recommend windsor's law program.  I've had a few bad experiences with the administration staff.  Soured me on their whole program.  In fact, I would discourage anyone from applying there.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 27, 2004, 05:20:41 PM
cheaper yes ...

I really don't recommend windsor's law program.  I've had a few bad experiences with the administration staff.  Soured me on their whole program.  In fact, I would discourage anyone from applying there.

I think if you're a GPA/LSAT person, Windsor just isn't a good idea.  I think having a school like that is important: it gives people a chance at law that otherwise may not be competitive.  This isn't Cooley, of course.  They have to have other great qualities not normally considered by law school.  But, for people like me, without significant work experience and so forth, Windsor is probably harder to get into than many other programs. 

All in all, good for them, but I can't be bothered to fill form after form after form.  PS is enough of a nuisance.
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 27, 2004, 05:43:37 PM
they also require a picture ... what's up with that?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: long_gone on September 27, 2004, 05:46:43 PM
they also require a picture ... what's up with that?

Really?  Are you being serious?
Title: Re: OLSAS
Post by: Cheeks on September 27, 2004, 06:12:23 PM
they also require a picture ... what's up with that?

Really?  Are you being serious?

that's what i was told ... but i haven't done the application myself.