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Specific Groups => Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students => Topic started by: linquest on July 26, 2007, 01:12:05 PM

Title: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: linquest on July 26, 2007, 01:12:05 PM
I'm glad that my school has a good proportion of non-trads.  It seems that a lot of BigLaw firms seem to prefer students who went to law school immediately after undergrad.  I don't know if they consider them more "trainable" or more likely to fit into that type of culture for some reason.  What do you guys think about that? 

Also, did anyone see this article about Summer Associates making as much as $3K per week?  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/23/AR2007072301890.html?hpid=sec-education&sub=AR
Now, I don't mind that in theory, but it does bother me that this is the first real world experience a lot of these interns have, and I think they come out with a skewed sense of reality.  Can't stand the entitlement either.  Found that firm's motto "When Experience Matters" a touch ironic as well.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: jarhead on July 26, 2007, 01:51:47 PM
yes, they are considered more trainable. they're naive, easily intimidated and less likely to recognize bs. in addition they don't have anything to compare the job to so they don't recognize when they're being shafted. however not all law firms value these traits.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 01:56:26 PM
Then again, maybe it's because we aren't likely to have as many family commitments, and have the ability to work 70+ hours per week, without much complaint.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 01:57:10 PM
Damn you Cal, don't take my thoughts!  :D ;)
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: jarhead on July 26, 2007, 02:00:47 PM
yes, they are considered more trainable. they're naive, easily intimidated and less likely to recognize bs. in addition they don't have anything to compare the job to so they don't recognize when they're being shafted. however not all law firms value these traits.

also, no family = extra billable time


true altough there are plenty of non-trads w/o family obligations, didn't mean that post to sound as negative as it did. but yes generally employers consider those straight out of school more trainable but not all value trainablitly exclusively. for those that do, it's mostly for the reasons sited.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 02:01:09 PM
Ya, I know, but I ignored it...I'm young and "immature"...Doesn't it make you want to scream?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 02:03:54 PM
Also, could it be that since the average age at the law schools hovers around 25-26, that you are just overly mature.  Sorta like a 3rd grader hanging out with a bunch of pre-K students.  Why bash us because you don't fit in?  If you don't like playing with blocks, and learning ABC's, then go back to your cursive writing, and multiplication tables!  :P
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sstar on July 26, 2007, 02:05:46 PM
hahahah
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: jarhead on July 26, 2007, 02:08:08 PM
Also, could it be that since the average age at the law schools hovers around 25-26, that you are just overly mature.  Sorta like a 3rd grader hanging out with a bunch of pre-K students.  Why bash us because you don't fit in?  If you don't like playing with blocks, and learning ABC's, then go back to your cursive writing, and multiplication tables!  :P


 :D, and clay don't forget clay
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 02:11:39 PM
Oh yes, the Play-doh!  What about nap-time...damn naps, I was NEVER tired!  Remember those extra-big pencils they made us write with?  And the "Big-Chief" paper?  :D

That cursive writing on the LSAT took me like 20 minutes to write....I was SOOOOOOO nervous I wouldn't finish it in time!
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: jarhead on July 26, 2007, 02:13:00 PM
Oh yes, the Play-doh!  What about nap-time...damn naps, I was NEVER tired!  Remember those extra-big pencils they made us write with?  And the "Big-Chief" paper?  :D

That cursive writing on the LSAT took me like 20 minutes to write....I was SOOOOOOO nervous I wouldn't finish it in time!


looove the big pencils, i had a blue one and a red one
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 02:18:38 PM
 :D ;D

Damn college kids...think they're so smart!
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: ljg on July 26, 2007, 02:35:00 PM
I'm glad that my school has a good proportion of non-trads.  Sometimes, the kids straight out of college bug the heck out of me with their immaturity.  Anyone have a good story about one of these kids making you want to slap some sense into them?

Also, it seems that a lot of BigLaw firms seem to prefer students who went to law school immediately after undergrad.  I don't know if they consider them more "trainable" or more likely to fit into that type of culture for some reason.  What do you guys think about that? 

Also, did anyone see this article about Summer Associates making as much as $3K per week?  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/23/AR2007072301890.html?hpid=sec-education&sub=AR
Now, I don't mind that in theory, but it does bother me that this is the first real world experience a lot of these interns have, and I think they come out with a skewed sense of reality.  Can't stand the entitlement either.  Found that firm's motto "When Experience Matters" a touch ironic as well.

You can honestly say that you were the model of maturity straight out of college? If not, cut them some slack. Being young doesn't automatically mean that someone is immature- there are plenty of immature adults in this world.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Revenge of LSATie on July 26, 2007, 02:38:34 PM
Always making fun of your rollie bag and life experience interjections in class, too!


I mean, come on, you've had TWO mortgages.  I think you have just a LITTLE bit more relevant life experience here in the class on finance.  You should share it!  You're doing us a favor.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: wiimote on July 26, 2007, 02:44:00 PM
I mean, come on, you've had TWO mortgages.  I think you have just a LITTLE bit more relevant life experience here in the class on finance.  You should share it!  You're doing us a favor.

She has a bank account too!

Truth be told, the problem with most nontrads is they failed in their prior career. Cut the crap and admit you wouldn't be going to law school if you had done well in your last attempted profession. Law school is your last chance at a steady income, or so you think.

A nontrad is like the old vagabond free agent in football. Young students are like the #1 draft pick.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 02:50:26 PM
It's not if you go to a Tier 2,3,4?  I guess you should tell that to my dad, who was a non-trad, and is now a Partner at his D.C. firm.  He went to American University...not exactly a top school.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: NotATroll on July 26, 2007, 02:51:53 PM
It's not if you go to a Tier 2,3,4?  I guess you should tell that to my dad, who was a non-trad, and is now a Partner at his D.C. firm.  He went to American University...not exactly a top school.

Guys at my troll high school did this all the time. Its not a big deal.

::SMASHES::
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: jarhead on July 26, 2007, 02:56:06 PM
I mean, come on, you've had TWO mortgages.  I think you have just a LITTLE bit more relevant life experience here in the class on finance.  You should share it!  You're doing us a favor.

She has a bank account too!

Truth be told, the problem with most nontrads is they failed in their prior career. Cut the crap and admit you wouldn't be going to law school if you had done well in your last attempted profession. Law school is your last chance at a steady income, or so you think.

A nontrad is like the old vagabond free agent in football. Young students are like the #1 draft pick.


1. as for your analogy, who will get you to the super bowl faster a #1 draft pick or a free agent? 2. are you serious? if so see title of thread
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: TeresaPinfold on July 26, 2007, 02:58:34 PM
Yeah, and their music sucks. Rap? More like [c]rap!
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 03:03:16 PM
Most of the free agents were not kept by their original team, because they weren't an INTEGRAL part of the Championship Run.  The #1 Draft Pick is the foundation for the future (except top picks taken by the Browns, Bengals, Cardinals, and Texans).
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: ihope i hope on July 26, 2007, 03:04:44 PM
I tend to think that just-outta-undergrads who have mommy and daddy paying for school/frat party 2.0 tend to be the immature ones, not the young just-outta-undergrads who know that they will do well or be in debt forever.  

I don't like football.  Can we make boardering on off-topic Baseball analogies instead?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 03:07:26 PM
Ok...Hmmm...

The old people(non-trads) are like the players who didn't use steriods...the new players(trads) are the ones who did...Chicks(Law-firms) dig the long ball!
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: wiimote on July 26, 2007, 03:18:01 PM
It's not if you go to a Tier 2,3,4?  I guess you should tell that to my dad, who was a non-trad, and is now a Partner at his D.C. firm.  He went to American University...not exactly a top school.

He's the exception, but at least you have nepotism to help you. You're set.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: skeeball on July 26, 2007, 03:35:51 PM
Tag
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: wiimote on July 26, 2007, 03:41:51 PM
feel like naming names?

Yeah I'm calling bull. Especially on the Speaker of the House claim. Here is a list of the last 200 years' Speakers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives#List_of_Speakers
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: wiimote on July 26, 2007, 03:44:31 PM
Oh, I wasn't calling bull. Just curious and nosy  ;)

I'm thinking Gingrich?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Revenge of LSATie on July 26, 2007, 03:45:04 PM
State house != USHoR
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: wiimote on July 26, 2007, 03:46:56 PM
State house != USHoR

Oh I missed that. Never mind.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: juliemccoy on July 26, 2007, 03:48:34 PM
Cal, that's it. Get off my lawn.  ;D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: jarhead on July 26, 2007, 05:42:47 PM
Most of the free agents were not kept by their original team, because they weren't an INTEGRAL part of the Championship Run.  The #1 Draft Pick is the foundation for the future (except top picks taken by the Browns, Bengals, Cardinals, and Texans).


uh, free agents are pros, been around the block, have proven themselves, usually have a couple of rings already, first round draft picks are unproven and drafted based off of their 4 year college career on the hope that they will one day reach their potential and help their team win a chamionship, sometime in the future. not many #1 draft picks actually pan out.  :)
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 26, 2007, 06:09:44 PM
Ya, just shoot it over in a PDF.  ;D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: queencruella on July 27, 2007, 07:25:18 AM
I mean, come on, you've had TWO mortgages.  I think you have just a LITTLE bit more relevant life experience here in the class on finance.  You should share it!  You're doing us a favor.

She has a bank account too!

Truth be told, the problem with most nontrads is they failed in their prior career. Cut the crap and admit you wouldn't be going to law school if you had done well in your last attempted profession. Law school is your last chance at a steady income, or so you think.

A nontrad is like the old vagabond free agent in football. Young students are like the #1 draft pick.

Actually I donít know a single non-trad at my school who is borrowing to be there. For most being a lawyer, even a big law lawyer, will be a pay cut. They are in law school precisely because they have been successful enough in what they did before that they can take 3-4 years out of their lives and go back to school without it hurting them finically. We have 2 MDís, 2 pilots, many business owners, former executives, Speaker of the State House, even a professional athlete in my class. 

I think your class is atypical. Most of my classmates were simply in careers where there was little growth potential- teaching, publishing, journalism, etc. It doesn't hurt us financially because there really weren't many places for us to go from where we were currently.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: queencruella on July 27, 2007, 07:41:23 AM
I mean, come on, you've had TWO mortgages.  I think you have just a LITTLE bit more relevant life experience here in the class on finance.  You should share it!  You're doing us a favor.

She has a bank account too!

Truth be told, the problem with most nontrads is they failed in their prior career. Cut the crap and admit you wouldn't be going to law school if you had done well in your last attempted profession. Law school is your last chance at a steady income, or so you think.

A nontrad is like the old vagabond free agent in football. Young students are like the #1 draft pick.

Actually I donít know a single non-trad at my school who is borrowing to be there. For most being a lawyer, even a big law lawyer, will be a pay cut. They are in law school precisely because they have been successful enough in what they did before that they can take 3-4 years out of their lives and go back to school without it hurting them finically. We have 2 MDís, 2 pilots, many business owners, former executives, Speaker of the State House, even a professional athlete in my class. 

I think your class is atypical. Most of my classmates were simply in careers where there was little growth potential- teaching, publishing, journalism, etc. It doesn't hurt us financially because there really weren't many places for us to go from where we were currently.

Are you fulltime or part-time? I'm PT, I think the non-trads in the PT program are very diffrent from the ones I have met in the FT program. FT tend to be carear changers, PT tend to be always wanted to do law school and now I can types. I'd say about 1/3 of the PT probably will not practice, or retire from thier other carears first then practice law.

I'm in FT, but I have a friend in a PT program who doesn't indicate that the people in her class were in high-paying careers beforehand. The people I know of in that program were in a similar situation- teachers, law enforcement, or in other low-paying jobs where the growth potential wasn't there. I think your situation is pretty atypical, even for part-time programs.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: linquest on July 27, 2007, 08:34:25 AM
You can honestly say that you were the model of maturity straight out of college? If not, cut them some slack. Being young doesn't automatically mean that someone is immature- there are plenty of immature adults in this world.
I never said I was "the model of maturity straight out of college", which is partly why I decided to work first before entering law school.  That would be counter to the point I'm making that the law students straight out of undergrad tend to be more immature.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: linquest on July 27, 2007, 08:48:49 AM
Very few non-trads in my program AREN'T borrowing to come here.  Our tuition is about $34K/year, estimated cost of attendance is over $50K/yr.  Most people just don't have $100K-150K laying around and be able to take 3 years off for school, even if they were pretty successful before law school.  We don't have a part-time program, so it's hard to make much during law school to offset that mortgage-sized amount of money.  Not to mention, if you happened to be able to make a living for yourself before coming to law school, you pretty much get jacked here for financial aid because the grant money mostly goes to those without a pre-law income (ergo, mostly to the ones straight out of college).  Plus, FinAid will not give you grant money in subsequent years if they didn't give you any in the first year, even though they know we no longer have a full-time income  ::)

Actually I donít know a single non-trad at my school who is borrowing to be there. For most being a lawyer, even a big law lawyer, will be a pay cut. They are in law school precisely because they have been successful enough in what they did before that they can take 3-4 years out of their lives and go back to school without it hurting them finically. We have 2 MDís, 2 pilots, many business owners, former executives, Speaker of the State House, even a professional athlete in my class.

I think your class is atypical. Most of my classmates were simply in careers where there was little growth potential- teaching, publishing, journalism, etc. It doesn't hurt us financially because there really weren't many places for us to go from where we were currently.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: queencruella on July 27, 2007, 09:07:26 AM

Yea, I think, at least at my school, you can't get much fin aid if you are working or worked FT before school. I know several people whose employers are paying the 5,500k twords school  though. I think becuase we are the only PT program in the state, in the largest city in the state, is why we have so many sucessful people here, there is no place else for them to go. I don't think most of them could have/would have moved for law school. So unlike FT where for the most part everyone is bascilly simular (LSAT/GPA/pre-law experince) we have a very wide range of backgrounds, LSAT scores, and GPAs. The vast magority of my classmates are from here, worked (or working here) it was either go to law school here PT or don't go at all. I'm the only one of my close freinds in my class who even applied to other schools, I'm also the only one not from here before school. I assumed it was simular in most larger towns with a PT program, guess not.

Very few non-trads in my program AREN'T borrowing to come here.  Our tuition is about $34K/year, estimated cost of attendance is over $50K/yr.  Most people just don't have $100K-150K laying around and be able to take 3 years off for school, even if they were pretty successful before law school.  We don't have a part-time program, so it's hard to make much during law school to offset that mortgage-sized amount of money.  Not to mention, if you happened to be able to make a living for yourself before coming to law school, you pretty much get jacked here for financial aid because the grant money mostly goes to those without a pre-law income (ergo, mostly to the ones straight out of college).  Plus, FinAid will not give you grant money in subsequent years if they didn't give you any in the first year, even though they know we no longer have a full-time income  ::)

Actually I donít know a single non-trad at my school who is borrowing to be there. For most being a lawyer, even a big law lawyer, will be a pay cut. They are in law school precisely because they have been successful enough in what they did before that they can take 3-4 years out of their lives and go back to school without it hurting them finically. We have 2 MDís, 2 pilots, many business owners, former executives, Speaker of the State House, even a professional athlete in my class.

I think your class is atypical. Most of my classmates were simply in careers where there was little growth potential- teaching, publishing, journalism, etc. It doesn't hurt us financially because there really weren't many places for us to go from where we were currently.


We have 2 reputable PT programs in my state. The problem is that in this part of Florida, the wages are abysmal. People just aren't making the salaries necessary to be able to pay for law school without borrowing. I think this area ranks last (or almost last) in wage to COL ratio because the wages just don't cut it anymore. Thus people who move here specifically for law school wouldn't be able to afford it on savings and their spouse's salary.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: queencruella on July 27, 2007, 09:26:42 AM
Okay- I get it now- your program is public. We don't have any reputable public programs in Florida so it's near impossible for people to save up the ~$80-100K required just to pay for tuition. A lot of people live here already but that alone is enough to make people have to borrow. Miami's tuition is a lot more expensive so it's probably the same there.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 27, 2007, 11:32:12 AM
Linquest, you say that you were immature coming out of college, and that is why you decided to work?

Does that mean that your employers were thinking "These damn college kids are annoying and immature?  Don't they drive you crazy?"

What better place in society for immature people than school/prison?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: linquest on July 27, 2007, 12:51:20 PM
Linquest, you say that you were immature coming out of college, and that is why you decided to work?

Does that mean that your employers were thinking "These damn college kids are annoying and immature? Don't they drive you crazy?" 

Actually, my employer was thinking, "I need to hire people straight out of college.  The others won't put up with my BS."  This was said to me about a year after I was working there.  His attitude was similar to what Jarhead described in Post 2.  Nonetheless, he was a great boss and mentor, and I don't think my law school experience would have been the same without the background that I gained while working. 

Personally, I think the best place for someone to gain maturity is to get into the working world.  Formal schooling can help, but not enough, especially if one uses education primarily to delay entering the "real world" after undergrad.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 27, 2007, 12:57:01 PM
Most of the free agents were not kept by their original team, because they weren't an INTEGRAL part of the Championship Run.  The #1 Draft Pick is the foundation for the future (except top picks taken by the Browns, Bengals, Cardinals, and Texans).

You obviously don't know crap about football.  You named teams whose 1st round picks have actually done something.  You should have said Lions, and left it at that.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: linquest on July 27, 2007, 12:59:31 PM
Ender Wiggin-  good name.  I love the "Ender's Game" series.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 27, 2007, 01:03:52 PM
Ender Wiggin-  good name.  I love the "Ender's Game" series.

Ho, linquest.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 27, 2007, 01:10:28 PM
You are right...I don't know crap about football...just been playing it for the last 14 or so years.

Let's see....

Browns 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Kellen Winslow
William Green
Tim Couch
Derrick Alexander
Gerard Warren

Bengals 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Peter Warrick
Akili Smith
Kijana Carter
Dan Wilkinson
David Klinger
David Pollack (his career is likely over, though he was a good player)

Cardinals 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Thomas Jones (didn't do anything in Ariz.)
Andre Wadsworth
David Boston (too many steroids)
Jamir Miller (do you even remember him?)
Tom Knight

Houston 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams (quite possibly the worst pick, since they passed up Young and Bush to get him)
David Carr
Jason Babin

I don't know crap about football?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 27, 2007, 01:14:04 PM
I would agree with you on the Lions, I merely omitted them, because I thought they moved to the Canadian League.

Lions 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Mike Williams
Kevin Jones (though he seems to be getting better)
Charles Rogers
Joey Harrington (is likely going to start in ATL  :'()
Reggie Brown (broke his neck, similar to David Pollack)
Terry Fair

Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Ender Wiggin on July 27, 2007, 03:05:04 PM
You are right...I don't know crap about football...just been playing it for the last 14 or so years.

Let's see....

Browns 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Kellen Winslow
William Green
Tim Couch
Derrick Alexander
Gerard Warren

Bengals 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Peter Warrick
Akili Smith
Kijana Carter
Dan Wilkinson
David Klinger
David Pollack (his career is likely over, though he was a good player)

Cardinals 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Thomas Jones (didn't do anything in Ariz.)
Andre Wadsworth
David Boston (too many steroids)
Jamir Miller (do you even remember him?)
Tom Knight

Houston 1st round picks that haven't done anything:
Travis Johnson
Mario Williams (quite possibly the worst pick, since they passed up Young and Bush to get him)
David Carr
Jason Babin

I don't know crap about football?

<---- was taken a little too seriously
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 27, 2007, 03:24:29 PM
 :D

<--------------- really just pissed that my daughter didn't let me get any sleep last night.....displaced aggression!  ;D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: littlelisalaw on July 31, 2007, 01:25:22 PM
I mean, come on, you've had TWO mortgages.  I think you have just a LITTLE bit more relevant life experience here in the class on finance.  You should share it!  You're doing us a favor.

She has a bank account too!

Truth be told, the problem with most nontrads is they failed in their prior career. Cut the crap and admit you wouldn't be going to law school if you had done well in your last attempted profession. Law school is your last chance at a steady income, or so you think.

A nontrad is like the old vagabond free agent in football. Young students are like the #1 draft pick.

Okay, I may be responding to a troll who just likes to pick fights, but here we go anyway.

I am a nontrad student who works in a very successful family-owned business.  I actually did not go to college right out of h/s because I could not afford it amd instead I worked.  I am giving up GREAT pay and benefits to pursue a law degree.  I am also giving up the right to take over said family business when parents retire.  It is my belief (as idealistic as it sounds) that each person has a purpose or calling in life.  I fell in love with the legal system, sitting on the knee of a family friend who was a circuit court judge, at the age of nine.  But sometimes life gets in the way.  I married young, had a child, and put aside and ignored my dream.  So for me, I did not fail at what I was doing, give that up and go to law school.

A person would have to be an idiot to have failed at one business and then take on the study of law.  Most law students have type A personalities, which push them to be highly competitive and highly successful professionals.

Oh, and to sc3, leave Joey alone!!!!  :)  Not his fault he was stuck with the Lions.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 31, 2007, 01:34:39 PM
Hahaha!  I'll tell you what...I'll leave Joey alone if you put me in line to take over that family business.  I need a damn job!   ;D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: littlelisalaw on July 31, 2007, 01:38:52 PM
You got it;)  Do you deal well with state agencies and cranky, smelly truck drivers that call you sweetie and babie sometimes honey, and will say, "Who's your daddy?"  :o
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on July 31, 2007, 01:42:09 PM
Actually, it's sounding very enticing.

I need someone to call me honey.  Preferrably some sweaty guy with a vehicle.

 :D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Slim on August 01, 2007, 10:24:11 AM
I'm glad that my school has a good proportion of non-trads.  Sometimes, the kids straight out of college bug the heck out of me with their immaturity.  Anyone have a good story about one of these kids making you want to slap some sense into them?

Also, it seems that a lot of BigLaw firms seem to prefer students who went to law school immediately after undergrad.  I don't know if they consider them more "trainable" or more likely to fit into that type of culture for some reason.  What do you guys think about that? 

Also, did anyone see this article about Summer Associates making as much as $3K per week?  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/23/AR2007072301890.html?hpid=sec-education&sub=AR
Now, I don't mind that in theory, but it does bother me that this is the first real world experience a lot of these interns have, and I think they come out with a skewed sense of reality.  Can't stand the entitlement either.  Found that firm's motto "When Experience Matters" a touch ironic as well.
I say we keep the 23yr old women, duct tape thier mouths, and jail the 23yr old men. ;)  There's too many damned lawyers anyway.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Ender Wiggin on August 01, 2007, 11:21:08 AM
I'm glad that my school has a good proportion of non-trads.  Sometimes, the kids straight out of college bug the heck out of me with their immaturity.  Anyone have a good story about one of these kids making you want to slap some sense into them?

Also, it seems that a lot of BigLaw firms seem to prefer students who went to law school immediately after undergrad.  I don't know if they consider them more "trainable" or more likely to fit into that type of culture for some reason.  What do you guys think about that? 

Also, did anyone see this article about Summer Associates making as much as $3K per week?  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/23/AR2007072301890.html?hpid=sec-education&sub=AR
Now, I don't mind that in theory, but it does bother me that this is the first real world experience a lot of these interns have, and I think they come out with a skewed sense of reality.  Can't stand the entitlement either.  Found that firm's motto "When Experience Matters" a touch ironic as well.
I say we keep the 23yr old women, duct tape thier mouths, and jail the 23yr old men. ;)  There's too many damned lawyers anyway.

You're not far off with the skewed sense of reality comment.  That is certainly not always the case though.  There are many (and most of them young) butt-nugget attorneys (and SA's) who think they are above reproach, but the majority are really cool people.  I've had the pleasure of working for law firms for many years, and hopefully my experience will keep me from becoming one of the nuggets. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 01, 2007, 11:37:05 AM
I say we just weed out people who misspell the word "their"....what do you think Adahy?  :D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 01, 2007, 11:42:30 AM
I say we keep the 23yr old women, duct tape thier mouths, and jail the 23yr old men. ;)  There's too many damned lawyers anyway.

Thank god I'm only 22...
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Ender Wiggin on August 01, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
I say we just weed out people who misspell the word "their"....what do you think Adahy?  :D

Please add your, and definitely definitely. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: queencruella on August 01, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
I say we just weed out people who misspell the word "their"....what do you think Adahy?  :D

Please add your, and definitely definitely. 

YES! Blueb, write this down, please.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: juliemccoy on August 02, 2007, 09:20:42 AM
I hate "prolly" -- esp when people say it in really life. The word is "probably" and it doesn't take that long to say or spell!
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 09:24:52 AM
I hate "esp" - especially when....well people really don't say it in real life.  It doesn't take that long to say or spell.

Also, I hate "really" when people mean to say "real".  Isn't that right, Julie?  ;D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 02, 2007, 10:21:18 AM
I hate "prolly" -- esp when people say it in really life. The word is "probably" and it doesn't take that long to say or spell!

Credited.  I hate that, too.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: juliemccoy on August 02, 2007, 10:24:47 AM
I am going to kill self now.  :-[

LOL. Go figure-- I list my spelling pet peeves and then I don't even check myself!!!
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 10:45:17 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Hank Rearden on August 02, 2007, 11:00:43 AM
I say we keep the 23yr old women, duct tape thier mouths, and jail the 23yr old men. ;)  There's too many damned lawyers anyway.

Thank god I'm only 22...

But we're so immature.  How do we even feed ourselves?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
Oh, thanks for reminding me.....I need to eat!  ;)
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 02, 2007, 11:22:07 AM
I say we keep the 23yr old women, duct tape thier mouths, and jail the 23yr old men. ;)  There's too many damned lawyers anyway.

Thank god I'm only 22...

But we're so immature.  How do we even feed ourselves?

Last night I had to do battle with the biggest waterbug I have ever seen.  At one point, when I was going to trap it in a giant tuperware container I have, it flew right at me, at which point I dropped my phone (breaking the hinge on the front flap) and throwing the container maniacally at the waterbug, hitting it and knocking it to the ground.  I rushed over to the tuperware container and firmly placed it over the waterbug, trapping it.  I even put a waterbottle on top so that the waterbug wouldn't use its almighty strength to life the container over its head.  Little did I know, the container broke when I threw it at the bug (a strong little fucker he is), and the waterbug managed to escape through a crack on the side, coming back to taunt me just a few moments later.  Luckily, I think I damaged its wing when I hit it, so it no longer flew, but it could still run faster than I've never seen a living thing move.  It ran under all the clutter in my room, and I haven't seen it since, but I kept having nightmares about it last night.  Something tells me our paths will cross again.

I've never wanted my parents back home so badly before.  
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: juliemccoy on August 02, 2007, 11:28:02 AM
Dude, I woke up to find a dead rat floating in my toilet one morning. Hilarity ensued... I couldn't pee all day. It still haunts me.

I miss living in DC....
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 11:45:20 AM
Holy crap Denny, there are tears in my eyes from laughing so hard!  :D +  :'(

That is almost as funny as the Cooley ranking system/jingle.

You should find some more waterbugs and have them fight to the death, a la Michael Vick.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 02, 2007, 11:48:47 AM
Holy crap Denny, there are tears in my eyes from laughing so hard!  :D +  :'(

That is almost as funny as the Cooley ranking system/jingle.

You should find some more waterbugs and have them fight to the death, a la Michael Vick.

After last night, I decided to put on my future mayoral platform a plan to eliminate ALL WATERBUGS in New York City.  Not a single one will be spared.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: ->Soon on August 02, 2007, 11:49:03 AM
I hate "prolly" -- esp when people say it in really life. The word is "probably" and it doesn't take that long to say or spell!

your prolly right...
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: ->Soon on August 02, 2007, 11:51:36 AM
I say we keep the 23yr old women, duct tape thier mouths, and jail the 23yr old men. ;)  There's too many damned lawyers anyway.

Thank god I'm only 22...

But we're so immature.  How do we even feed ourselves?

Last night I had to do battle with the biggest waterbug I have ever seen.  At one point, when I was going to trap it in a giant tuperware container I have, it flew right at me, at which point I dropped my phone (breaking the hinge on the front flap) and throwing the container maniacally at the waterbug, hitting it and knocking it to the ground.  I rushed over to the tuperware container and firmly placed it over the waterbug, trapping it.  I even put a waterbottle on top so that the waterbug wouldn't use its almighty strength to life the container over its head.  Little did I know, the container broke when I threw it at the bug (a strong little fucker he is), and the waterbug managed to escape through a crack on the side, coming back to taunt me just a few moments later.  Luckily, I think I damaged its wing when I hit it, so it no longer flew, but it could still run faster than I've never seen a living thing move.  It ran under all the clutter in my room, and I haven't seen it since, but I kept having nightmares about it last night.  Something tells me our paths will cross again.

I've never wanted my parents back home so badly before. 


ummm, your a guy???
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 11:58:19 AM
You mean, "you're".
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 02, 2007, 11:58:50 AM
You mean, "you're".

grammArpwn3d
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Hank Rearden on August 02, 2007, 12:02:13 PM
Denny = girl

There was a three-inch long cockroach in my apartment the other day.  I made a fist and CRUSHED it, then licked its blood in celebration of my victory. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 12:11:12 PM
Hey Beavis...uh huh huh huh huh...he said cock...uh huh huh huh huh
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Hank Rearden on August 02, 2007, 12:15:45 PM
I like how the kids "out of college" have taken over this thread. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 02, 2007, 12:18:06 PM
I like how the kids "out of college" have taken over this thread. 

We have to regale the oldies with tales of our youth.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Hank Rearden on August 02, 2007, 12:25:15 PM
Anyone remember that Seinfeld where Elaine has to hire Jerry's dad but she gets annoyed at him so she schedules meetings at the end of the day so he'll be cranky and tired?  That's another reason not to hire nontrads. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: ->Soon on August 02, 2007, 12:26:42 PM
we oldies will get back by being extra loud in class when you come in hung over.


 ;D


HI DENNY, HOW ARE YOU ON THIS LOVELY MORNING?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Hank Rearden on August 02, 2007, 12:29:54 PM
Blue isn't straight from UG?  I don't know why I assumed that.

He's like 40 I think. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 12:30:55 PM
Whatever happened to the cartoons from our youth?

Duck Tales
Darkwing Duck
Chip and Dale
Thundercats
Silverhawks
Woody the Woodpecker Show
Tom and Jerry
Bobby's World
Garfield and Friends
Masters of the Universe

Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 02, 2007, 12:32:59 PM
we oldies will get back by being extra loud in class when you come in hung over.


 ;D


HI DENNY, HOW ARE YOU ON THIS LOVELY MORNING?

Luckily I don't drink.


Don't worry though, I'll be polite enough to hold the door for you so that you don't have to push it with your walker. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Hank Rearden on August 02, 2007, 12:34:31 PM
I never watched cartoons really.  I did collect POGS though. 
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 12:36:08 PM
Masters of the Universe was just the He-man cartoon.

Silverhawks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverhawks

What about:

The Flinstones
The Jetsons
Underdog (the new movie coming out is ridiculous)

HAHAHAH!  Yea, POGS, that was a great period of time.  Does anyone remember the STAR WARS CARD GAME?  Similar to MAGIC: THE GATHERING?
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Denny Crane on August 02, 2007, 12:44:50 PM
Anyone notice how godawful cheap toys have become?


Compare a GI Joe today with a GI Joe from 15 years ago, the former will seam like a cheap knock-off.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 12:56:15 PM
I loved how when the new edition Star Wars toys came out, the figurines looked like they were involved with BALCO.

http://www.kenston.k12.oh.us/khs/just4fun/muscle_yoda.jpg (http://www.kenston.k12.oh.us/khs/just4fun/muscle_yoda.jpg)
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: ->Soon on August 02, 2007, 01:35:04 PM
they are now selling the classic star wars figures, at about 10 bucks per

i bet their not even the originals...
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: sc3pt0r on August 02, 2007, 02:23:41 PM
I have many of the old figures.  In loose condition, without the accessories, 10 bucks is about the going price (depending on the character of course).  When you start getting figures in the boxes, with the guns, etc., the price can rise rather quickly.  I probably have 200 loose figures, and probably 25 in boxes.  I also have countless vehicles, collector's boxes, etc.

It seemed as if interest/value of the figures went down after this new trilogy came out.  Hopefully, interest didn't die off completely, and when it comes time for me to retire, I can sell these, and make up for the Social Security money being gone...Damn old people!
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: almostlegal on August 02, 2007, 02:27:40 PM
Anyone remember that Seinfeld where Elaine has to hire Jerry's dad but she gets annoyed at him so she schedules meetings at the end of the day so he'll be cranky and tired?  That's another reason not to hire nontrads. 

Ha ha!  I remember that one.  Most non-trads aren't past retirement age (like Jerry's dad), I imagine.
Title: Re: Don't these kids out of college make you want to scream?
Post by: Hank Rearden on August 02, 2007, 05:09:21 PM
Anyone remember that Seinfeld where Elaine has to hire Jerry's dad but she gets annoyed at him so she schedules meetings at the end of the day so he'll be cranky and tired?  That's another reason not to hire nontrads. 

Ha ha!  I remember that one.  Most non-trads aren't past retirement age (like Jerry's dad), I imagine.

Haha, I missed this when you posted it.  Seems like we have similar taste in TV/movies Hank.  Not to mention girls (MP).  ;)

To be fair, who wouldn't like MP?