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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: Tetris on June 24, 2007, 09:02:00 PM

Title: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Tetris on June 24, 2007, 09:02:00 PM
I'm interested in Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law (so basically I'm in love with the Bill of Rights).  Does anyone know of any schools that have a special focus in this area?  And does it really matter which school you go to if you have a particular style of law in mind? 
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Socrates on June 25, 2007, 06:46:01 AM
With your numbers you'll only get into Cooley. But they'll probably throw some money at you.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: iamprov on June 25, 2007, 11:33:04 AM
With your numbers you'll only get into Cooley. But they'll probably throw some money at you.

You're kidding, right? With his prac #'s he's looking at t14 easy, depending on his GPA.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Rule of Reason on June 25, 2007, 11:34:06 AM
With your numbers you'll only get into Cooley. But they'll probably throw some money at you.

You're kidding, right? With his prac #'s he's looking at t14 easy, depending on his GPA.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: sinkfloridasink on June 25, 2007, 11:39:15 AM
With your numbers you'll only get into Cooley. But they'll probably throw some money at you.


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Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Socrates on June 25, 2007, 02:03:29 PM
At least somebody got it. The others are destined to fail.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Rule of Reason on June 25, 2007, 02:36:50 PM
At least somebody got it. The others are destined to fail.

*fights back tears*
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Tetris on June 25, 2007, 02:49:05 PM
With your numbers you'll only get into Cooley. But they'll probably throw some money at you.

Touchee.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: thedudebro on June 25, 2007, 03:10:23 PM
I'm interested in Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law (so basically I'm in love with the Bill of Rights).  Does anyone know of any schools that have a special focus in this area?  And does it really matter which school you go to if you have a particular style of law in mind? 

hippy bleeding heart liberal. the bill of rights was designed by the mob of lesser humans in order to keep the strong and powerful aristocratic few from enjoying their manifest destiny, and will one day be destroyed through the actions of heroes.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Tetris on June 25, 2007, 06:09:17 PM
I'm interested in Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law (so basically I'm in love with the Bill of Rights).  Does anyone know of any schools that have a special focus in this area?  And does it really matter which school you go to if you have a particular style of law in mind? 

hippy bleeding heart liberal. the bill of rights was designed by the mob of lesser humans in order to keep the strong and powerful aristocratic few from enjoying their manifest destiny, and will one day be destroyed through the actions of heroes.

Thomas Jefferson = Mob of Lesser Humans?

Anyway... good joke.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Socrates on June 25, 2007, 10:19:16 PM
^Thank god. Rand blows.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: sinkfloridasink on June 25, 2007, 10:48:22 PM
You're obviously not a Rand fan.

Honestly, is anyone really a Rand fan?
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: thedudebro on June 25, 2007, 10:52:17 PM
^Thank god. Rand blows.

True.

Commie bastards. Why don't you two move to Israel and join a kibbutz? Even better, go out in the woods, meditate naked, and become "one" with the universe.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: sinkfloridasink on June 25, 2007, 10:55:38 PM
You're obviously not a Rand fan.

Honestly, is anyone really a Rand fan?

Where art thou Hank?

Really, the only people I've ever met that have actually claimed to be Rand fans were trying waaayy too hard to be pretentious and "intellectual," when in reality all they did was read The Fountainhead and thought it was "deep."
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: thedudebro on June 25, 2007, 11:14:39 PM
I'm interested in Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law (so basically I'm in love with the Bill of Rights).  Does anyone know of any schools that have a special focus in this area?  And does it really matter which school you go to if you have a particular style of law in mind? 

hippy bleeding heart liberal. the bill of rights was designed by the mob of lesser humans in order to keep the strong and powerful aristocratic few from enjoying their manifest destiny, and will one day be destroyed through the actions of heroes.


You're confused.

The BOR was designed as a check on the tyranny of the majority, and implicitly protects the superior individual from the masses.

You may, however, have a beef with the equal protection clause, or the Civil Rights Act.

Why would a superior individual need rights? A superior individual does what he wants, when he wants, and doesn't need some piece of paper telling him what he's entitled to. Only when the weak bind together do they establish rights for themselves, so that those greater than they cannot destroy them.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: . . . . . . on June 26, 2007, 07:41:15 AM
I would like to go into this field also
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Hank Rearden on June 26, 2007, 07:56:52 AM
I'm interested in Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law (so basically I'm in love with the Bill of Rights).  Does anyone know of any schools that have a special focus in this area?  And does it really matter which school you go to if you have a particular style of law in mind? 

hippy bleeding heart liberal. the bill of rights was designed by the mob of lesser humans in order to keep the strong and powerful aristocratic few from enjoying their manifest destiny, and will one day be destroyed through the actions of heroes.


You're confused.

The BOR was designed as a check on the tyranny of the majority, and implicitly protects the superior individual from the masses.

You may, however, have a beef with the equal protection clause, or the Civil Rights Act.

Why would a superior individual need rights?

To protect him or her from the looting masses, a la Ayn Rand novels.

More mysterious than how many people admire Rand's philosophy is how horrified some people are (like Andrew) of her even being mentioned.  There is something about her ideas that they fear.  I'm with Lindbergh--what's wrong about valuing human creativity and the individual spirit?  That's what the thrust of her philosophy is all about.  It has just never seemed that controversial to me. 
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Hank Rearden on June 26, 2007, 08:05:52 AM


More mysterious than how many people admire Rand's philosophy is how horrified some people are (like Andrew) of her even being mentioned.  There is something about her ideas that they fear.  I'm with Lindbergh--what's wrong about valuing human creativity and the individual spirit?  That's what the thrust of her philosophy is all about.  It has just never seemed that controversial to me. 

I'm all for creativity and the individual spirit.  That's not my problem with her at all.

What is your problem with her then?  You've never made it clear.  You just take pot shots whenever you get a chance. 
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: thedudebro on June 26, 2007, 11:56:40 AM

What is your problem with her then?  You've never made it clear.  You just take pot shots whenever you get a chance. 

Assuming a zero sum game, for starters.

explain. using cool economic terms doesn't mean *&^% unless you can explain why you believe as you do.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: thedudebro on June 26, 2007, 12:10:59 PM
I'm interested in Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law (so basically I'm in love with the Bill of Rights).  Does anyone know of any schools that have a special focus in this area?  And does it really matter which school you go to if you have a particular style of law in mind? 

hippy bleeding heart liberal. the bill of rights was designed by the mob of lesser humans in order to keep the strong and powerful aristocratic few from enjoying their manifest destiny, and will one day be destroyed through the actions of heroes.


You're confused.

The BOR was designed as a check on the tyranny of the majority, and implicitly protects the superior individual from the masses.

You may, however, have a beef with the equal protection clause, or the Civil Rights Act.

Why would a superior individual need rights?

To protect him or her from the looting masses, a la Ayn Rand novels. 

Again though, in a war of all against all, what would happen? the strong individuals would destroy the weak individuals. it's only when the weak individuals collectivize themselves that they are able to overcome the stronger few, and it's only when individuals collectivize that law and right are established.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: thedudebro on June 26, 2007, 12:24:13 PM

Again though, in a war of all against all, what would happen? the strong individuals would destroy the weak individuals. it's only when the weak individuals collectivize themselves that they are able to overcome the stronger few, and it's only when individuals collectivize that law and right are established.

But in such a world it's not necessarily the creative or the free spirited who win.  It's the biggest, the strongest, the one with the most guns or the one with the most control over others to make them wield guns.  This, I don't think, is Rand's vision or mine.  Is it yours?

Well isn't it the ones with the guns that have the most freedom? If I have the gun and you don't then doesn't that make me free to do what I want while you're dependent upon me not shooting you? And with my freedom I can be creative, and not restricted by right or law.
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: Hank Rearden on June 26, 2007, 12:24:46 PM


Again though, in a war of all against all, what would happen? the strong individuals would destroy the weak individuals. it's only when the weak individuals collectivize themselves that they are able to overcome the stronger few, and it's only when individuals collectivize that law and right are established.

I guess you'd call that irony then?  That individual rights can only be protected when collective steps are taken (usually by some government entity)?  
Title: Re: Who Has Good Civil Liberties and Constitutional Law Programs?
Post by: thedudebro on June 26, 2007, 12:31:03 PM


Again though, in a war of all against all, what would happen? the strong individuals would destroy the weak individuals. it's only when the weak individuals collectivize themselves that they are able to overcome the stronger few, and it's only when individuals collectivize that law and right are established.

I guess you'd call that irony then?  That individual rights can only be protected when collective steps are taken (usually by some government entity)?  

I suppose. The idea of "individual rights" is only recognizable in relation to a community. Who else but a community could ever establish rights? A man living alone on an island would not wake up oneday and say to himself that it'd be nice to be able to speak freely.