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Title: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: obamacon on June 13, 2007, 03:11:33 PM
Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Submitted by Vidura Panditaratne on Wed, 2007-06-13 17:18.Sci | Non-geographical | News

Plants are able to recognise their siblings, according to a study appearing today in the Royal Society journal Biology Letters.

Researchers at McMaster University have found that plants get fiercely competitive when forced to share their pot with strangers of the same species, but they’re accommodating when potted with their siblings.

“The ability to recognize and favour kin is common in animals, but this is the first time it has been shown in plants” Susan Dudley, associate professor of biology at McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada, said. “When plants share their pots, they get competitive and start growing more roots, which allows them to grab water and mineral nutrients before their neighbours get them. It appears, though, that they only do this when sharing a pot with unrelated plants; when they share a pot with family they don’t increase their root growth. Because differences between groups of strangers and groups of siblings only occurred when they shared a pot, the root interactions may provide a cue for kin recognition.”

Though they lack cognition and memory, the study shows plants are capable of complex social behaviours such as altruism towards relatives, says Dudley. Like humans, the most interesting behaviours occur beneath the surface.

Dudley and her student, Amanda File, observed the behavior in sea rocket (Cakile edentula), a member of the mustard family native to beaches throughout North America, including the Great Lakes.

So should gardeners arrange their plants like they would plan the seating at a dinner party?

“Gardeners have known for a long time that some pairs of species get along better than others, and scientists are starting to catch up with why that happens,” says Dudley. “What I’ve found is that plants from the same mother may be more compatible with each other than with plants of the same species that had different mothers. The more we know about plants, the more complex their interactions seem to be, so it may be as hard to predict the outcome as when you mix different people at a party.”

http://pressesc.com/01181755074_plants_recognise_siblings
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 01:23:37 PM
Superb! How has this post gone unnoticed. I am a firm believer in plant communication. I was out in the woods one time and I was sort of lost just rambling about. It was super quiet and I swear to the god almighty that I heard the trees and plants talking. I just stood there totally still for about an hour and listened to the whole thing go on. It was one of the most formative experiences of my life. Plants communicate people, and they have emotions and feelings just like all the other creatures on this planet. We humans are a smart bunch, but our greatest limitatin is our inability to comprehend or examine thoughts that are beyond the human capacity. Tonight I am sleeping in the woods!!!!!!
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: GraphiteDirigible on June 15, 2007, 01:29:07 PM
For some reason this post kind of weirds me out. I have this image of competitive/pseudo-intelligent plant behavior through time lapse photography.

Have you read The Ruins by Scott Smith. That's probably why.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: DDBY on June 15, 2007, 01:30:46 PM
Better get off the "LSD"... :D
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 01:32:31 PM
For some reason this post kind of weirds me out. I have this image of competitive/pseudo-intelligent plant behavior through time lapse photography.

Have you read The Ruins by Scott Smith. That's probably why.

I haven't read The Ruins yet, but I've heard a lot about it and it's at the top of my  list.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 01:38:45 PM
YES! Take that you hippy vegetarians. If they recognize their kin, maybe they feel pain too? Plant murders.   

I agree with these sentiments as well.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: DDBY on June 15, 2007, 01:41:43 PM
YES! Take that you hippy vegetarians. If they recognize their kin, maybe they feel pain too? Plant murders.   
Save the plants! Who are we to make the lives of the cute innocent plants miserable?
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: GraphiteDirigible on June 15, 2007, 01:44:41 PM
YES! Take that you hippy vegetarians. If they recognize their kin, maybe they feel pain too? Plant murders.   
Save the plants! Who are we to make the lives of the cute innocent plants miserable?

Yes. Yes. The plants are our friends. Lets not eat anymore. Its not fair to the plants.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 01:47:36 PM
YES! Take that you hippy vegetarians. If they recognize their kin, maybe they feel pain too? Plant murders.   
Save the plants! Who are we to make the lives of the cute innocent plants miserable?

Yes. Yes. The plants are our friends. Lets not eat anymore. Its not fair to the plants.

We shouldn't eat animals either. We should use science to manufacture regenerable limbs that grow out of our heads and into our mouths. We can eat these limbs as they grow and they will grow at a speed that keeps us both perfectly nourished and satisfied.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: DDBY on June 15, 2007, 01:50:11 PM
YES! Take that you hippy vegetarians. If they recognize their kin, maybe they feel pain too? Plant murders.   
Save the plants! Who are we to make the lives of the cute innocent plants miserable?

Yes. Yes. The plants are our friends. Lets not eat anymore. Its not fair to the plants.

We shouldn't eat animals either. We should use science to manufacture regenerable limbs that grow out of our heads and into our mouths. We can eat these limbs as they grow and they will grow at a speed that keeps us both perfectly nourished and satisfied.
Yup, the "LSD".
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: __ on June 15, 2007, 01:51:00 PM
maybe we can survive on stockpiles of twinkies
they don't go bad.

or on dairy.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Reesespbcup on June 15, 2007, 01:59:14 PM
Well once the vegetarians realize what they are doing to the plants, and stop eating them, they will grow weak from starvation. Then we can swoop in and eat them. Problem solved. Until we run out a vegetarians, then we can start eating illegal immigrants. Two problems solved with one stone, that’s what they call thinking like a lawyer. I like it.

You are assuming that all the illegal aliens aren't also vegetarians.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: DDBY on June 15, 2007, 02:00:15 PM
Well once the vegetarians realize what they are doing to the plants, and stop eating them, they will grow weak from starvation. Then we can swoop in and eat them. Problem solved. Until we run out a vegetarians, then we can start eating illegal immigrants. Two problems solved with one stone, that’s what they call thinking like a lawyer. I like it.
Illegal immigrants are too stringy.  It comes fron a small diet and strenuous physical activity.  It'll have to be politicians.  They're as juicy as veal!
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: GraphiteDirigible on June 15, 2007, 02:01:33 PM
Well once the vegetarians realize what they are doing to the plants, and stop eating them, they will grow weak from starvation. Then we can swoop in and eat them. Problem solved. Until we run out a vegetarians, then we can start eating illegal immigrants. Two problems solved with one stone, that’s what they call thinking like a lawyer. I like it.

You are assuming that all the illegal aliens aren't also vegetarians.

Zinged.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Reesespbcup on June 15, 2007, 02:05:12 PM
Well once the vegetarians realize what they are doing to the plants, and stop eating them, they will grow weak from starvation. Then we can swoop in and eat them. Problem solved. Until we run out a vegetarians, then we can start eating illegal immigrants. Two problems solved with one stone, that’s what they call thinking like a lawyer. I like it.

You are assuming that all the illegal aliens aren't also vegetarians.

I am also assuming they are tasty!

lol! TRUE. Meat is meat though, right?
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: GraphiteDirigible on June 15, 2007, 02:06:26 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 02:13:07 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Reesespbcup on June 15, 2007, 02:13:56 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: DDBY on June 15, 2007, 02:14:33 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.
and deja vu.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: DDBY on June 15, 2007, 02:15:04 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.
and deja vu.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 02:18:55 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.

But the big toe is the toe most likely to get infected due to clone-eating-induced toe cancer. Statistics show! Also, that was a nice Deja Vu gag there.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: GraphiteDirigible on June 15, 2007, 02:21:49 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.

But the big toe is the toe most likely to get infected due to clone-eating-induced toe cancer. Statistics show! Also, that was a nice Deja Vu gag there.

However, I would never turn down the chance to eat another me. (Is that weird)
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 02:23:30 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.

But the big toe is the toe most likely to get infected due to clone-eating-induced toe cancer. Statistics show! Also, that was a nice Deja Vu gag there.

However, I would never turn down the chance to eat another me. (Is that weird)

I would also eat myself. First I would follow myself around. Then I'd buy myself a beer and talk for a while. Then I'd lure myself back to my (our???) apartment and eat myself.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: DDBY on June 15, 2007, 02:25:21 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.

But the big toe is the toe most likely to get infected due to clone-eating-induced toe cancer. Statistics show! Also, that was a nice Deja Vu gag there.

However, I would never turn down the chance to eat another me. (Is that weird)

I would also eat myself. First I would follow myself around. Then I'd buy myself a beer and talk for a while. Then I'd lure myself back to my (our???) apartment and eat myself.
Ron Jeremy could do that.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: GraphiteDirigible on June 15, 2007, 02:41:16 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.

But the big toe is the toe most likely to get infected due to clone-eating-induced toe cancer. Statistics show! Also, that was a nice Deja Vu gag there.

However, I would never turn down the chance to eat another me. (Is that weird)

I would also eat myself. First I would follow myself around. Then I'd buy myself a beer and talk for a while. Then I'd lure myself back to my (our???) apartment and eat myself.
Ron Jeremy could do that.

::Wonders how Ron Jeremy can be so popular::

::cries again::
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 02:52:52 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.

But the big toe is the toe most likely to get infected due to clone-eating-induced toe cancer. Statistics show! Also, that was a nice Deja Vu gag there.

However, I would never turn down the chance to eat another me. (Is that weird)

I would also eat myself. First I would follow myself around. Then I'd buy myself a beer and talk for a while. Then I'd lure myself back to my (our???) apartment and eat myself.
Ron Jeremy could do that.

So will my clone recognize my apartment or what? And will my clone realize that I'm trying to eat it and eat me? 
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: GraphiteDirigible on June 15, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
And who would know the difference? Would there even be a difference, aside from one is soulless and inhuman?
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 15, 2007, 03:07:47 PM
Clones don't have souls. We could clone everything we eat. Then who cares if they scream or whatever. They're not really the genuine article.

Yeah, but eating clones causes toe cancer.

All you really need is the big toe anyway.

But the big toe is the toe most likely to get infected due to clone-eating-induced toe cancer. Statistics show! Also, that was a nice Deja Vu gag there.

However, I would never turn down the chance to eat another me. (Is that weird)

I would also eat myself. First I would follow myself around. Then I'd buy myself a beer and talk for a while. Then I'd lure myself back to my (our???) apartment and eat myself.
Ron Jeremy could do that.

So will my clone recognize my apartment or what? And will my clone realize that I'm trying to eat it and eat me? 

That's why you put the roofie in the clones drink BEFORE you leave the bar. Duh. This is Serial Killer 101 stuff here, really I am disappointed.

I know quite well how to kill people, but I'm just not sure about clones. I mean, do they know what i'm thinking? Are they always one step ahead of me? When I lure him into the extra bedroom (aka "Kill Room") will another clone -the clones clone- be waiting for me? This is all to complicated and I wish it were 5:00.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Reesespbcup on June 18, 2007, 07:29:38 AM


I know quite well how to kill people, but I'm just not sure about clones. I mean, do they know what i'm thinking? Are they always one step ahead of me? When I lure him into the extra bedroom (aka "Kill Room") will another clone -the clones clone- be waiting for me? This is all to complicated and I wish it were 5:00.

They do know what you are thinking but only to the extent that they can relate based on their intimate understanding of you. Unless of course, said clone has had gene modification, in which case they may also have X-ray vision in addition to psychic ability.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 18, 2007, 07:59:34 AM
This thread seemed much more exciting on Friday afternoon.
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Reesespbcup on June 22, 2007, 09:32:37 AM
This thread seemed much more exciting on Friday afternoon.

What are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Plants 'recognize' their siblings
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on June 22, 2007, 09:56:55 AM
This thread seemed much more exciting on Friday afternoon.

What are you trying to say?

I'm saying that Friday is better than Monday, and today is Friday, which means I'm in a much better mood than I was on Monday. I wonder if plants have different moods for different days of the week?