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LSAT Preparation => Studying for the LSAT => Topic started by: Primetime on June 13, 2007, 10:04:10 AM

Title: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Primetime on June 13, 2007, 10:04:10 AM
The proctor is using a digital timer to keep exact time. He knows his watch would not be accurate. So how the hell are we suppose keep accurate time?

What the  no timer does is make you rush through problems. I was speed reading because i was nervous about my pacing. I think i even did the problems too fast.


It is a stupid rule that needs to be changed back ASAP for the september. Ther is no hard in having a digital timer. All proctors have to do is pace and make sure no one is cheating.

 The thing about analog if you can not pace yourself.
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: UFBoldAsLove on June 13, 2007, 10:07:42 AM
I agree that the analog requirement sucks, but it totally is possible to pace yourself using that type of wristwatch. I just set it to 12 before each section, so I could glance down and know at 12:35 was my end time.

(Some of my friends were smart and set it to 11:25, so the end time was right at 12, that was apparrently over my head. lol.)
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Primetime on June 13, 2007, 10:11:46 AM
I agree that the analog requirement sucks, but it totally is possible to pace yourself using that type of wristwatch. I just set it to 12 before each section, so I could glance down and know at 12:35 was my end time.

(Some of my friends were smart and set it to 11:25, so the end time was right at 12, that was apparrently over my head. lol.)

I did not have time. As soon as a section ended a new section began like in 30 seconds. But i guess that is a great idea.
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Shark Week on August 30, 2007, 11:37:51 AM
I paced myself just fine with an 8 dollar clearance watch bought at K-Mart on the way to the test. You'll be fine.
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: contrarian on October 10, 2007, 01:22:25 PM

It is a stupid rule that needs to be changed back ASAP for the september. Ther is no hard in having a digital timer. All proctors have to do is pace and make sure no one is cheating.

 The thing about analog if you can not pace yourself.

If I had the resources and I were unethical (I am neither), I would rig a digital timer with a 2.4ghz camera and have someone go in and record images of the test.  I'd sign up for the Monday test.  This is probably why digital timers have been banned. 

This isn't a terribly difficult thing to do.  In fact, I'm surprised if people don't do this already by sticking pin-hole camera and transmitter on their persons.  It's not like I saw the proctors testing the 2.4 spectrum (and that's just using off-the-shelf equipment, think of what some engineering nerds at MIT might rig up). 

This might not give you access to all of the questions, but if you were able to get 1/3 or 1/2 of the answers complete questions that you then had from Sat noon to Monday to review... that's a HUGE advantage. 

You could accomplish this with 1 accomplice (to take the first test) and yourself or anyone technically competent enough to make such a rigging.  Total cost would be $123 for the test about about $200 in equipment.  Cheaper than the powerscore books were.
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Lil Orphan Annie on October 12, 2007, 12:21:39 PM

It is a stupid rule that needs to be changed back ASAP for the september. Ther is no hard in having a digital timer. All proctors have to do is pace and make sure no one is cheating.

 The thing about analog if you can not pace yourself.

If I had the resources and I were unethical (I am neither), I would rig a digital timer with a 2.4ghz camera and have someone go in and record images of the test.  I'd sign up for the Monday test.  This is probably why digital timers have been banned. 

This isn't a terribly difficult thing to do.  In fact, I'm surprised if people don't do this already by sticking pin-hole camera and transmitter on their persons.  It's not like I saw the proctors testing the 2.4 spectrum (and that's just using off-the-shelf equipment, think of what some engineering nerds at MIT might rig up). 

This might not give you access to all of the questions, but if you were able to get 1/3 or 1/2 of the answers complete questions that you then had from Sat noon to Monday to review... that's a HUGE advantage. 

You could accomplish this with 1 accomplice (to take the first test) and yourself or anyone technically competent enough to make such a rigging.  Total cost would be $123 for the test about about $200 in equipment.  Cheaper than the powerscore books were.

That's assuming the Monday test is the same as the Saturday administration, which, as far as I know, is not.
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Ender Wiggin on October 12, 2007, 12:45:35 PM
I initially thought the prescription against digital timers was intended to ensure that no bleeping beeping went off annoyingly throughout the duration of the test to the detriment of other test-takers' concentration. Now I'm also realizing that some fancy-looking machine could mast other forms of digital communication or recording devices. But I'm unsure why an analog timer with a complicated exterior case is presumed to be unable to do the same.


I'm assuming that the rule is in place for (at least) these two reasons.  First, they don't want your stupid timer beeping and inciting a murder.  (And I would assume that some idiot's timer WOULD go off.  I'm no longer surprised at the stupidity of supposedly smart people.)  Second, the proctor's time is the official time.  If people had digital timers, there would almost certainly be a few people trying to challenge the official time.  ("I clicked start right when the proctor said go, and they stopped us 4 seconds early!  I could have filled in at least three more bubbles!")
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: contrarian on October 12, 2007, 09:24:11 PM

That's assuming the Monday test is the same as the Saturday administration, which, as far as I know, is not.

Hmm, I did a bit of a search and I think you're right.  One test prep web site said that the Monday takers the school is noted that they took a Monday test and they only provide a score, not a percentile.  However if it is different why isn't it published? They can't use the test again, and I'm sure they'd easily be able to sell copies of it for $8 each and make a mint like they do the Saturday past tests. 

???
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Somewhere on October 12, 2007, 09:40:10 PM
They do use parts of the test again.
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Lil Orphan Annie on October 12, 2007, 10:13:56 PM

That's assuming the Monday test is the same as the Saturday administration, which, as far as I know, is not.

Hmm, I did a bit of a search and I think you're right.  One test prep web site said that the Monday takers the school is noted that they took a Monday test and they only provide a score, not a percentile.  However if it is different why isn't it published? They can't use the test again, and I'm sure they'd easily be able to sell copies of it for $8 each and make a mint like they do the Saturday past tests. 

???

I just remember the Monday test-takers trying to figure out the experimental section (not sure if their posts would still be up) and they were discussing RCs and LGs and LRs that were not reminiscent at all of the Saturday's administration...
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: F. Mercury on October 12, 2007, 10:24:54 PM

It is a stupid rule that needs to be changed back ASAP for the september. Ther is no hard in having a digital timer. All proctors have to do is pace and make sure no one is cheating.

 The thing about analog if you can not pace yourself.

If I had the resources and I were unethical (I am neither), I would rig a digital timer with a 2.4ghz camera and have someone go in and record images of the test.  I'd sign up for the Monday test.  This is probably why digital timers have been banned. 

This isn't a terribly difficult thing to do.  In fact, I'm surprised if people don't do this already by sticking pin-hole camera and transmitter on their persons.  It's not like I saw the proctors testing the 2.4 spectrum (and that's just using off-the-shelf equipment, think of what some engineering nerds at MIT might rig up). 

This might not give you access to all of the questions, but if you were able to get 1/3 or 1/2 of the answers complete questions that you then had from Sat noon to Monday to review... that's a HUGE advantage. 

You could accomplish this with 1 accomplice (to take the first test) and yourself or anyone technically competent enough to make such a rigging.  Total cost would be $123 for the test about about $200 in equipment.  Cheaper than the powerscore books were.

Even if the tests are the same, I still wouldn't do it, ethical issues aside.  Just think about how much you owe your accomplice.  If your accomplice is not someone that you trust 100%--and I doubt anyone can trust anyone 100%--and if because of his/her effort you get into Harvard and land a high-power job, oh lord your accomplice can ask you for everything he/she wants.  His bargaining power is certainly higher than yours.  If he reports this little incidence that happened a couple years ago, you are done with life...almost.
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: contrarian on October 13, 2007, 10:45:00 AM

It is a stupid rule that needs to be changed back ASAP for the september. Ther is no hard in having a digital timer. All proctors have to do is pace and make sure no one is cheating.

 The thing about analog if you can not pace yourself.

If I had the resources and I were unethical (I am neither), I would rig a digital timer with a 2.4ghz camera and have someone go in and record images of the test.  I'd sign up for the Monday test.  This is probably why digital timers have been banned. 

This isn't a terribly difficult thing to do.  In fact, I'm surprised if people don't do this already by sticking pin-hole camera and transmitter on their persons.  It's not like I saw the proctors testing the 2.4 spectrum (and that's just using off-the-shelf equipment, think of what some engineering nerds at MIT might rig up). 

This might not give you access to all of the questions, but if you were able to get 1/3 or 1/2 of the answers complete questions that you then had from Sat noon to Monday to review... that's a HUGE advantage. 

You could accomplish this with 1 accomplice (to take the first test) and yourself or anyone technically competent enough to make such a rigging.  Total cost would be $123 for the test about about $200 in equipment.  Cheaper than the powerscore books were.

Even if the tests are the same, I still wouldn't do it, ethical issues aside.  Just think about how much you owe your accomplice.  If your accomplice is not someone that you trust 100%--and I doubt anyone can trust anyone 100%--and if because of his/her effort you get into Harvard and land a high-power job, oh lord your accomplice can ask you for everything he/she wants.  His bargaining power is certainly higher than yours.  If he reports this little incidence that happened a couple years ago, you are done with life...almost.

This is why you have to kill your accomplice afterwards. 

Don't they teach you kids anything in college these days?
Title: Re: The no digital TIMER IS STUPID .
Post by: Lil Orphan Annie on October 13, 2007, 03:28:02 PM



This is why you have to kill your accomplice afterwards. 


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