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Title: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: BYUTexan on May 19, 2007, 07:57:13 PM
Could being a quarter Jew help get me status as a minority?  I am serious.  Even though I don't adhere to the Jewish faith, I consider my self one in ethnicity. Simply put I don't consider myself purely Caucasian (as I believe the many Jews to be a part of a dying race/ethnicity)  There are only an estimated15 million actual Jews left in the world, so I could have some basis for a claim?
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Ersatz on May 19, 2007, 08:09:05 PM
No.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: jillibean on May 19, 2007, 08:12:26 PM
Is there a box for you to check off that says Jew? That may answer your question. If Wiccans, Scientologists, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. can get favorable treatment by their religion then wouldn't everyone qualify?
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: H4CS on May 19, 2007, 08:29:10 PM
If Wiccans, Scientologists, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. can get favorable treatment by their religion then wouldn't everyone qualify?

My brain just asploded. Can no think good after reading. Ow it hurts this much.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: bamf on May 19, 2007, 09:56:42 PM
Yeah, traditionally people of Jewish faith are pretty rare in law school, or so I hear. 
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: BYUTexan on May 19, 2007, 10:59:32 PM
Ok, I'll try this again.  I was referring to being Jewish in an ethnic/racial sense (yes I do consider them a race of people, as did Hitler).    Putting aside religion, I do believe there is a physical jewish race that is somewhat separate from the Caucasian race> 
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Ersatz on May 19, 2007, 11:03:44 PM
Ok, I'll try this again.  I was referring to being Jewish in an ethnic/racial sense (yes I do consider them a race of people, as did Hitler).    Putting aside religion, I do believe there is a physical jewish race that is somewhat separate from the Caucasian race> 

Ok. The answer is still no.

http://www.lsac.org/LSAC.asp?url=/lsac/faqs-and-support-minority-applicants.asp

"Historically, minority group members have been underrepresented in the legal profession. A substantial discrepancy remains between the percentage of minority members in society versus the percentage in the legal profession. To promote diversity in the profession, all LSAC-member law schools actively seek qualified African American, Hispanic, Asian, and American Indian students as well as other students of color.  (In addition, many schools consider such factors as economic and educational disadvantage when considering a candidate for admission.) Law schools find that diversity within the classroom enriches the learning process for all students."
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: BYUTexan on May 19, 2007, 11:04:37 PM
Yeah, traditionally people of Jewish faith are pretty rare in law school, or so I hear. 


Thanks for the backhanded comment.  Rare in Law School?  So are Blacks, Hispanics and Asians. ::)
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: BYUTexan on May 19, 2007, 11:09:29 PM
Ok, I'll try this again.  I was referring to being Jewish in an ethnic/racial sense (yes I do consider them a race of people, as did Hitler).    Putting aside religion, I do believe there is a physical jewish race that is somewhat separate from the Caucasian race> 

Ok. The answer is still no.

http://www.lsac.org/LSAC.asp?url=/lsac/faqs-and-support-minority-applicants.asp

"Historically, minority group members have been underrepresented in the legal profession. A substantial discrepancy remains between the percentage of minority members in society versus the percentage in the legal profession. To promote diversity in the profession, all LSAC-member law schools actively seek qualified African American, Hispanic, Asian, and American Indian students as well as other students of color.  (In addition, many schools consider such factors as economic and educational disadvantage when considering a candidate for admission.) Law schools find that diversity within the classroom enriches the learning process for all students."

I think that they should go beyond that and consider some Jews(those of actual Jewish lineage) as minorities.  They are a slowly dying out with each new generations, where as the aforementioned minorities have been self-sustaining.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: keelee on May 19, 2007, 11:57:38 PM
Ok, I'll try this again.  I was referring to being Jewish in an ethnic/racial sense (yes I do consider them a race of people, as did Hitler).    Putting aside religion, I do believe there is a physical jewish race that is somewhat separate from the Caucasian race> 

Ok. The answer is still no.

http://www.lsac.org/LSAC.asp?url=/lsac/faqs-and-support-minority-applicants.asp

"Historically, minority group members have been underrepresented in the legal profession. A substantial discrepancy remains between the percentage of minority members in society versus the percentage in the legal profession. To promote diversity in the profession, all LSAC-member law schools actively seek qualified African American, Hispanic, Asian, and American Indian students as well as other students of color.  (In addition, many schools consider such factors as economic and educational disadvantage when considering a candidate for admission.) Law schools find that diversity within the classroom enriches the learning process for all students."

I think that they should go beyond that and consider some Jews(those of actual Jewish lineage) as minorities.  They are a slowly dying out with each new generations, where as the aforementioned minorities have been self-sustaining.

Go through a list of law firm names. Greenburg, Rosenberg, Altman, Stein...those are Jewsih names. If anything, Jews are "over" reprsenented in the legal field. Being a Jew does not help you at all, especially because Jews represent about 2% of the US population, but probably close to 1/4th of the students at top-ranked law schools. 
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: BYUTexan on May 20, 2007, 12:03:24 AM
Jews represent about 2% of the US population. 
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that's news to me. 

There may be a lot of Jewish names on law firms back on the east coast but go south and west and see how many firms have Jewish sounding names on them. ;)
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: keelee on May 20, 2007, 01:35:01 AM
Jews represent about 2% of the US population. 

that's news to me. 

There may be a lot of Jewish names on law firms back on the east coast but go south and west and see how many firms have Jewish sounding names on them. ;)
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In Los Angeles, which has more Jews than Tel Aviv and any other city in the world after NYC and Miami, the answer is plenty.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Funky Cold Hrdina on May 20, 2007, 02:23:02 AM
Do it!

I bet there aren't that many Jewish students at Cooley so I think you'll get a huge boost!

HTH.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: jillibean on May 20, 2007, 06:54:01 AM
Yeah, traditionally people of Jewish faith are pretty rare in law school, or so I hear. 


Thanks for the backhanded comment.  Rare in Law School?  So are Blacks, Hispanics and Asians. ::)

He was being sarcastic. Maybe you didn't understand that. Jews aren't rare in law school at all
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: H4CS on May 20, 2007, 07:06:40 AM
I think that they should go beyond that and consider some Jews(those of actual Jewish lineage) as minorities.  They are a slowly dying out with each new generations, where as the aforementioned minorities have been self-sustaining.

I think you may be more likely to qualify for some boost for being intellectualy challeneged.  Unlike Jews, idiots like you are both moderately underrepresented at top schools and multiplying like crazy.  The whole 1/4 Jewish thing sounds like you're claiming that your great-grandmother was an Indian princess.  Which you might also believe.  There's a board called XOXO for people who don't quite understand these things, I know it can be a little hard.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: beeker on May 20, 2007, 07:26:24 AM
Ok, I'll try this again.  I was referring to being Jewish in an ethnic/racial sense (yes I do consider them a race of people, as did Hitler).    Putting aside religion, I do believe there is a physical jewish race that is somewhat separate from the Caucasian race> 

Oh, Well if HITLER thought so... it must be true...

prob. not the best one to support your idea there...
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Captain on May 20, 2007, 07:38:11 AM
ORM...

Jewish...

Lawyer...

wtf...

Worst.Troll.Ever.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: BYUTexan on May 20, 2007, 09:24:09 AM
Ya know, I ask a serious question and you guys respond with some asinine comments WTF.  And no, I wasn't trolling.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: BYUTexan on May 20, 2007, 09:33:03 AM
I think that they should go beyond that and consider some Jews(those of actual Jewish lineage) as minorities.  They are a slowly dying out with each new generations, where as the aforementioned minorities have been self-sustaining.

I think you may be more likely to qualify for some boost for being intellectualy challeneged.  Unlike Jews, idiots like you are both moderately underrepresented at top schools and multiplying like crazy.  The whole 1/4 Jewish thing sounds like you're claiming that your great-grandmother was an Indian princess.  Which you might also believe.  There's a board called XOXO for people who don't quite understand these things, I know it can be a little hard.


You can shove it!
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Funky Cold Hrdina on May 20, 2007, 09:40:03 AM
I'm curious, if you so closely identify with your Jewish heritage, why don't you practice the religion? Judaism has an incredibly righ cultural, religious, (and yes) ethnic heritage, but I would assume embracing the latter a least facilitates if not necessitates acceptance of the two former. I am a quarter Jewish, but have never considered myself anything other than Caucasian because I (like yourself) was never taught to embody all that it means.

It certainly wouldn't have occurred to me in a million years to indicate it on an application 1) because it's not who I am and 2) at the end of the day it's not helpful.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on May 20, 2007, 09:45:04 AM
No, there is no race as in anthropological definition that is Jew, you're Caucasian. If you believe this is incorrect, you're too dumb for law school. Well, maybe you'd have a shot at Cooley. As for being a minority. Jews in law school? Right. About as much as Asians are a minority at math camp. Self identifying as a jew (and you're obviously not REALLY a jew) will hurt your chances of admission more than it would help you.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Quail! on May 20, 2007, 10:02:44 AM
subtle Mormonism troll...
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Thistle on May 20, 2007, 10:06:41 AM
bump for entertainment value
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: just call me elle on May 20, 2007, 10:20:10 AM
YFWGI
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: General2010 on May 20, 2007, 11:07:18 AM
Being Jewish is an ethnicity, not a race. The Irish tend to have certain physical resemblances (red hair for example)--this does not make them non-caucasian.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: General2010 on May 20, 2007, 11:36:43 AM
Touche--ok, on second thought, it is a race.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: fowles on May 20, 2007, 11:50:37 AM
No, there is no race as in anthropological definition that is Jew, you're Caucasian. If you believe this is incorrect, you're too dumb for law school. Well, maybe you'd have a shot at Cooley. As for being a minority. Jews in law school? Right. About as much as Asians are a minority at math camp. Self identifying as a jew (and you're obviously not REALLY a jew) will hurt your chances of admission more than it would help you.

Subtle Arian troll.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on May 20, 2007, 12:06:55 PM
I wasn't trying to be subtle :(
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: bamf on May 20, 2007, 12:26:18 PM
Ok, I'll try this again.  I was referring to being Jewish in an ethnic/racial sense (yes I do consider them a race of people, as did Hitler).    Putting aside religion, I do believe there is a physical jewish race that is somewhat separate from the Caucasian race> 

Buddy, I'm not trying to jerk your chain here, but I do think there is a problem with your views on race.  There is also a problem with you trying to get an advantage in the law school admissions process by utilizing a characteristic that has  probably not disadvantaged you at all.  If you have been subject to some social hurdles or discrimination because of your 1/4 jewish heritage many schools allow a supplemental essay explaining challenges overcome.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on May 20, 2007, 02:46:50 PM
Well, it's not like AA requires you to be disadvantaged at all. If you grew up on Upper East Side with a surgeon mom and lawyer dad, you're still getting the wiggle room. Sadly :(
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: H4CS on May 20, 2007, 03:00:55 PM
Well, it's not like AA requires you to be disadvantaged at all. If you grew up on Upper East Side with a surgeon mom and lawyer dad, you're still getting the wiggle room. Sadly :(

Oh for @#!*'s sake Keno.  I hate to bring any sensibility to such a stupid thread, but if you're going to make it stupider I'm going t have to hit you.  Class is not the only metric of advantage out there and rich black people face problems that rich white people do not just as poor black people face problems that poor white people do not.  It's not like you've ever established yourself as a decently intelligent person on this board, but try to recognize that race and class are different thing.  Or at least shut up.  Shutting up would be good too.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on May 20, 2007, 03:12:39 PM
I don't like shutting up. And while class may not be the only disadvantage, it's sure as hell one big part of it.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: H4CS on May 20, 2007, 03:13:57 PM
I don't like shutting up. And while class may not be the only disadvantage, it's sure as hell one big part of it.

So we're in agreement that you, like the OP, are an idiot.  Good.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: idk10 on May 20, 2007, 03:15:13 PM
In recent years Jews did not experience any persecution in the great US of A.  So no advantage to you.  And for the record - you’re Caucasian.  (Unless you’re Sephardic, but that’s a different story.)
You don’t consider yourself Jewish and according to the Jewish law - you cant be 1/4 Jewish, you're either in or out.  And you are out.
Also, it seems like you aren’t that bright, so don’t want you in the tribe.  

Shalom!!
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on May 20, 2007, 03:17:34 PM
I don't like shutting up. And while class may not be the only disadvantage, it's sure as hell one big part of it.

So we're in agreement that you, like the OP, are an idiot.  Good.

That's fine, but since you're not an idiot, why not enlighten me and explain what academic disadvantages a rich black kid faces that entitles them to easier entrance to higher education?
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: TeresaPinfold on May 20, 2007, 03:24:47 PM
Academic institutions certainly considered Jews a separate group worthy of discrimination for a long time and it is very common for people who consider themselves Jews to be atheists. However, with that said, Jews are obviously overrepresented, and most of them aren't only 1/4, anyway.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: JM26 on July 11, 2007, 04:07:36 PM
Vandy is one school that actively recruits jews. Undergrad - not sure of the law school.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0204/30/ltm.03.html

So are Emory and WUSTL according to this article.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: HtownsFinest on July 11, 2007, 04:42:19 PM
In recent years Jews did not experience any persecution in the great US of A.  So no advantage to you.

As recent as the 60s there were signs on public pools that read "No Coloreds, Jews, or Dogs."
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on July 12, 2007, 06:05:33 AM
In recent years Jews did not experience any persecution in the great US of A.  So no advantage to you.

As recent as the 60s there were signs on public pools that read "No Coloreds, Jews, or Dogs."

Proof?

Anyway, this has nothing to do with being underrepresented in law school. If anything, jews is the most overrepresented minoroty in the history of law school.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: HtownsFinest on July 12, 2007, 08:13:49 AM
So they should be punished for being hard-working and intellectual curious?
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: bamf on July 12, 2007, 08:28:26 AM
we've got a smart one on our hands...
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Sam P. Huntington on July 12, 2007, 08:39:57 AM
Ok, I'll try this again.  I was referring to being Jewish in an ethnic/racial sense (yes I do consider them a race of people, as did Hitler).    Putting aside religion, I do believe there is a physical jewish race that is somewhat separate from the Caucasian race> 

Give it up. Jewish law students are about as rare as flying birds.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Sam P. Huntington on July 12, 2007, 08:41:55 AM
I think that they should go beyond that and consider some Jews(those of actual Jewish lineage) as minorities.  They are a slowly dying out with each new generations, where as the aforementioned minorities have been self-sustaining.

I think you may be more likely to qualify for some boost for being intellectualy challeneged.  Unlike Jews, idiots like you are both moderately underrepresented at top schools and multiplying like crazy.  The whole 1/4 Jewish thing sounds like you're claiming that your great-grandmother was an Indian princess.  Which you might also believe.  There's a board called XOXO for people who don't quite understand these things, I know it can be a little hard.

Love it.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on July 12, 2007, 08:43:09 AM
So they should be punished for being hard-working and intellectual curious?

I suppose if URMs should be rewarded for not being, it would be perfectly legitimate to punish ORMs for being.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Quail! on July 12, 2007, 09:07:44 AM
So they should be punished for being hard-working and intellectual curious?

I suppose if URMs should be rewarded for not being, it would be perfectly legitimate to punish ORMs for being.

While we're at it, let's punish the majority as well, too many of those...

Everyone loses! (Except URMs, that is)
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on July 12, 2007, 09:08:32 AM
Or we could use common sense and judge everyone by the same standards. How about that?
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: Quail! on July 12, 2007, 09:11:39 AM
Or we could use common sense and judge everyone by the same standards. How about that?

I was subtly hinting towards that through my sarcasm  ;)
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: «ě» on July 12, 2007, 09:23:55 AM
I don't support being subtle. :p
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: ModernMo on January 21, 2008, 09:27:37 AM
In recent years Jews did not experience any persecution in the great US of A.  So no advantage to you.  And for the record - you’re Caucasian.  (Unless you’re Sephardic, but that’s a different story.)
You don’t consider yourself Jewish and according to the Jewish law - you cant be 1/4 Jewish, you're either in or out.  And you are out.
Also, it seems like you aren’t that bright, so don’t want you in the tribe.  

Shalom!!


I don't know what you've been smoking, but in 2003, there were over 900 anti-Jewish hate crimes in the United States.  That may not seem like a lot when you take it by itself, but there were only about 200 anti-Muslim hate crimes, so there you go.  The numbers haven't changed much.

I know this thread is dead, but I had a question, and I am under the assumption that starting new threads is frowned upon unless absolutely necessary.  I don't intend on claiming to be a URM, but I was wondering about personal statements.  I'm an observant Orthodox Jew (I keep Shabbos, pray 3 times a day in addition to before/after meals, etc.), and I was just wondering if that would be appropriate to discuss.  To give a bit of context, I grew up in a neighborhood with around 50 families, and we were the only Jews.  Needless to say, it was somewhat interesting.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: General2010 on January 25, 2008, 08:43:59 AM
That would certainly be an interesting personal statement, in terms of how your Orthodox Judaism has affected your views and upbringing, and in terms of dealing with being an Orthodox Jew in an area where it's uncommon. Frame it like that--don't frame it as, hey I'm Jewish, there were hate crimes against my people, I should be given an edge in admissions even though my religion/ethnic group is overwhelmingly overrepresented in the law field. There are hate crimes against fat people, but I would surely hope an obese person wouldn't be given an advantage solely because of this.
Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: dashrashi on January 25, 2008, 08:49:50 AM
Oh my Hell. This thread bites on about eight different levels.

ModernMo, I'd put it in a diversity statement.

Title: Re: (I am 1/4th Jewish) Could that help establish me as a minority
Post by: stedwards03 on January 29, 2008, 12:53:39 AM
No. And perhaps what troubles me the most is that you might have been able to put something like being of jewish heritage (although only 1/4) in a diversity statement.. if you hadn't said that you do not subscribe to the jewish faith! You are being disingenuous bc you said you are not of the jewish faith.. so there goes any religious diversity, and you are only 1/4 jewish, and the only reason you wish to support it is because you BELIEVE that the raceis declining. Stop looking for ways to misconstrue who you are.. and be yourself, you will probably do much better!