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Title: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Watch Me on April 23, 2007, 10:38:58 AM
I haven't actually started the application process yet (taking the June LSAT), but I'm assuming I'll be asked to include a resume or employer history when applying.

If so, my question is do I need to put every job on it? I graduated last December 2006 and right now 2 respected internships top my list of employers. I'll probably just wait tables or do a little office help until I start law school so would I have to include a restaurant as most recent and bump the other places down or should I just leave those off the list?

Or do applications never even ask about employment????

Any advice is appreciated! Thanks! 
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Watch Me on April 23, 2007, 11:31:32 AM
Whoa - I had no idea I would need that. Thanks for filling me in. Please tell me that the bar doesn't care if I've had a ton of little jobs here and there thoughout high school, right? As long as it was legal employment? It sucks to have to put down so much history - and how bad does somewhere like, oh, say, Hooters look?

Let me make sure I get it - I'll need the info for every job I have ever held for the past ten years from when I'll be taking the bar? So if I take it when I'm 27, I'll need employers from 17-27.  :o

But as for "until you were 18" - is that list employers I worked for up until the time I was 18 or since the time I was 18?

I know it seems simple but I'm a little confused. And thanks again for the warning. I'll be working on gathering that info. Ugh.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: ě on April 23, 2007, 11:45:43 AM
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Or do applications never even ask about employment?
Some do, some does not. I have gotten numerous advice it's a good idea to include a resume even if the school doesn't explicitly ask for one.

As for what to include, that's really up to you. What I would advice is to make sure you don't have "gaps" in your resume. If you took a year to just travel the world instead of working or studying, make sure they know why there's an empty void in your background.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Watch Me on April 23, 2007, 11:52:05 AM
Ok - that timing makes sense now. I'm relieved since that will make my list a lot shorter.

And as for gaps - I have a summer between internships where I didn't work but hopefully that's occasioanlly expected during undergrad (I actually watched my nephew during that time and my sister paid me good $$ but I never actually put her down as an "employer")

Thanks!
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: ě on April 23, 2007, 11:53:06 AM
Yeah, of course summers etc not a problem, I was more thinking long periods of emptyness.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: bamf on April 23, 2007, 11:59:30 AM
I haven't actually started the application process yet (taking the June LSAT), but I'm assuming I'll be asked to include a resume or employer history when applying.

If so, my question is do I need to put every job on it? I graduated last December 2006 and right now 2 respected internships top my list of employers. I'll probably just wait tables or do a little office help until I start law school so would I have to include a restaurant as most recent and bump the other places down or should I just leave those off the list?

Or do applications never even ask about employment????

Any advice is appreciated! Thanks! 

you're going to wait tables for a year?
I would try and find something more productive to do with your time ... no offense but tables aren't exactly the best resume filler.  Why don't you see about a paralegal job or something?  Personally I would not put waiting tables on your law school resume.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Booyakasha2 on April 23, 2007, 12:05:59 PM
Ive worked so many jobs in the past, i only listed those that were professional"".  I didnt list my job painting houses for a summer or valeting cars for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Watch Me on April 23, 2007, 12:35:55 PM
I would definitely prefer something legal related, especially since I do have about 16 months before starting school but I haven't been able to find anything. I check my undergrad's career services and a host of job search engines daily.

I'm trying to hold out for something that will actually add to my resume rather than have no effect or detract but the money is getting really tight. Actually, I mean tight as in $0. My 12 year old sister has more in her savings than I do. It's sad. If she asks me to take her to get ice cream, she has to agree to pay for both of us  8)

Really it's a waiting game and how long can I hold out for. I graduated last December and was contemplating moving out of state and next steps and all so I've only really been at the job search for about 5 weeks.

But so far it sucks 
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Watch Me on April 23, 2007, 12:40:09 PM
As far as the people who recommend enjoying that last bit before school starts by having an easy type job, I guess they're talking about the summer before LS and not an entire year and a half.

I really do want something that's going to strengthen my app/resume. I just need some patience or some unclaimed money to pop up.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Pink on April 23, 2007, 12:45:29 PM
I haven't actually started the application process yet (taking the June LSAT), but I'm assuming I'll be asked to include a resume or employer history when applying.

If so, my question is do I need to put every job on it? I graduated last December 2006 and right now 2 respected internships top my list of employers. I'll probably just wait tables or do a little office help until I start law school so would I have to include a restaurant as most recent and bump the other places down or should I just leave those off the list?

Or do applications never even ask about employment????

Any advice is appreciated! Thanks! 

you're going to wait tables for a year?
I would try and find something more productive to do with your time ... no offense but tables aren't exactly the best resume filler.  Why don't you see about a paralegal job or something?  Personally I would not put waiting tables on your law school resume.

Actually, it can be a positive thing to include.  The sample personal statements that Stanford sent me had a Harvard UG graduate who was a paralegal in NYC but moonlighted at Cold Stone, serving ice cream (and singing in appreciation for tips).  She used those two jobs to demonstate her independence + "hustler attitude."  it made for a good read, imo.  Anna Ivey also suggests that it would be beneficial if every lawyer waited tables at some point during their pre-law lives (referring to the skills needed to be a good waiter/waitress), so it's not really viewed in a negative light to put waiting tables on your resume.  As someone mentioned earlier, put a positive spin on it to show the skills acquired. 

Also consider taking up some volunteering, tutoring or paralegal position if you can find them.  If your school's jobs database is no help, send a cover letter and resume to law firms in your area for staff positions.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Watch Me on April 23, 2007, 03:24:08 PM
I second volunteering. Just because your not being paid for it does not mean it can’t be helpful or impressive on your resume. Often you’ll get the chance to do things for free that you could not get a paid job doing yet. So if you wait tables, spend your free time volunteering in the legal community. I also don’t think having a blank spot on your resume is that big a deal, providing you can explain it/show what you did with that time. If I can hold out till 2009 w/o working for pay, I will not have made a salary in a decade. Spent most of it volunteering, that is impressive on it’s own!

Wow! I have to ask - how did you do it? I left a full-time job during undergrad in order to do two internships over the course of a year and I feel so under the water financially. I guess looking back I should have saved more.
Are you getting by on school loans?
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Schruted on April 23, 2007, 05:16:30 PM
FYI you will need to list as well as provide contact info for every job you have ever had for ten years or until you were 18 for the bar, so keep this info someplace where you wont loose it (your resume is good for that). Because its a real PIA to find it years later.

This is not exactly correct.

I've looked at the bar applications for New York and California. In New York, it's every job since age 21. In California, it's every job that lasted over 6 months since age 18. This makes it a bit less of a PIA. Maybe for other states it's every little job since age 18.

My understanding of resumes is that you can write down whatever jobs you want out of all the jobs you've actually had. It's your resume and it's supposed to make you look good. Any jobs that you put significant time into should be on your resume whether it looks great or not. There should not be huge time gaps on your resume, or you'll have to explain them.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Watch Me on April 23, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
I just checked the site for my state and it requires "all part-time and full-time employment as well as periods of unemployment - Account for all time since high school graduation."

At least it gives 12 spots.
Title: Re: Do I have to include EVERY single job on my resume???
Post by: Schruted on April 23, 2007, 08:06:57 PM
I just checked the site for my state and it requires "all part-time and full-time employment as well as periods of unemployment - Account for all time since high school graduation."

At least it gives 12 spots.

That's horrendous. Anyway, if you leave jobs off your resume, as long as you didn't get fired or have serious problems at those jobs, it's not like your resume has to exactly match up with your bar application. Schools, employers, and the bar don't expect you to list everything you've ever done in your life on a 1-page resume.

This seemed like a strange question to begin with.