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Title: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 16, 2007, 10:39:16 PM
So, I've figured out that living in Hoboken is about as expensive as Manhattan.  Anyone know what the nice areas of Jersey City are?  I don't know anything about it and don't know how to evaluate the ads on craigslist.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: attic4fp on April 17, 2007, 06:49:05 AM
I can't actually help, as I don't really know the city, but I have two things to say:

1. There definitely ARE nice areas of Jersey City.  Down by the water is beautiful.

2. You might want to retitle your post or make a new one with a new name.  There have been a couple arguments on here recently about Camden and Newark that have people pretty tired of attacking/defending New Jersey.  They may thinking this thread is a "Is Newark Safe?" one and skip it.

Good luck finding a place!  NJ is sweeeet
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: Boyce Baylor on April 17, 2007, 06:57:58 AM
I wouldn't give up on Hoboken just yet. Obviously, the prices have skyrocketed, but that's because it's awesome. Try looking for apts in:

kannekt.com
   or
hobokeni.com

There are definately great places to be had in some of the beautiful old brownstones, as long as you aren't completely fixated on the new highrises.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: dasadder on April 17, 2007, 07:35:28 AM
Hoboken is a sweet area and I think you will be able to find some good places for cheaper than Manhattan.  However, watch out for scams.  I have a friend who stumbled upon a few amazing apartments for amazing prices.  Needless to say, what seems too good to be true usually is, and it was just a scam.  Just a warning I guess.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 18, 2007, 01:38:37 PM
Thanks for the feedback.  I think, that since I'm looking for a one bedroom or a studio, the rates are just more expensive.  With a roommate, it is doable.  But I was really hoping to avoid moving in with strangers for my first year of law school.  I've had bad roommates before and I don't want to risk that kind of drama during my first year.  Does anyone know if the Greenville or Jersey City Heights areas are decent, safe?
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: deedeeleigh on April 18, 2007, 01:40:38 PM
Hoboken is worth the money IMO (and it's cheaper than Manhattan, except for the UES which is about equal in price). If you live uptown Hoboken, or further away from the PATH it's definitely cheaper. The great thing about the HOB is that there's no city tax but as a student that would only affect you during the summers.

JC is fine, especially if you're near the Pavonia/Newport stop. There are parts that are sketchy though.

Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: notengoplata on April 18, 2007, 01:45:34 PM
I live in JC.

You defenitly want to look downtown as close to the grove street stop as you can - Hamilton Park, Harsimus Cove. There are lots of great restauraunts and a few bars nearby. You kind of want to stay away from the heights and greenville for two reasons:

1) They are boring and there is nothing to do on weekends
2) You have to take a bus, and than the path into NYC - or the Bus into NYC - which kind of defeats the purpose (for me anyway) of living in Jersey City. The path train is a straight shoot right into lower manhattan - so if you can find a place in walking distance, I would jump on it. I see FOR RENT signs all the time in the downtown area. Take a trip there and take a look. I have found all the apartments I have had in JC without a realtor.  NJ.Com is very good too, they have apartment listings.

Again, stay away from greenville, the heights, journal square...and look over by the grove street stop (pavonia/newport gets a little more pricey kind of how hoboken prices are).

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 23, 2007, 10:45:20 AM
In case anyone else is pondering the living situation there, I'll share my thoughts.  I drove around some potential living areas on Saturday and these were my impressions.

Driving through the Holland Tunnel sucks.  I'll definitley be sticking with public transportation next year.  That being said, Jersey City is basically right there when you exit the tunnel.  My favorite section was by the Grove Street stop.  It felt like a neighborhood in transition, lots of contruction going on.  I told myself that if I could find somewhere good to eat that it would be a good omen - and there was a handful of cafes to choose from.  There were some blocks that seemed a little  sketchy and some blocks that were tree lined and peaceful.  I know I'll need a roommate to afford this area.  The neighborhood around the Path train stop where all the high rises are seemed kind of lonely.  Just tall buildings. Then I went to the Journal Square area.  Wasn't thrilled.  I grew up in NYC and am not intimidated by urban areas, it just isn't the quiet enviornment I pictured returning home too after a stressfull day of school.  Then I visited the Ironbound section of Newark which I actually thought was quite cute and very lively.  It is also very affordable and near campus.  However, I don't think I'm quite ready yet to move that far into Jersey - my whole life is in the city and I think it is more important to me to be closer to NY than closer to campus.  I'll have to learn about this whole light rail thing.  I looked at the houses on Society Hill in Newark.  Did not like the vibe, all these identical townhouses in rows up on a hill.  I'm sure there was more to see but that was enough for one day.

I didn't visit Hoboken again - I've already been there and know it is nice and that I will need to find a roommate there as well. 
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: calcio103 on April 24, 2007, 12:19:10 PM
Well, unless I hear back from Tulane sometime before I find a place, it looks like I'm heading to Rutgers this fall.  I will be looking for apartments in Hoboken over the next few weeks.  I hate the prices, but the vibe, energy, and location definately make up for it.

Just out of curiosity, is there a "rutgers 2010 thread" or facebook group?
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 24, 2007, 12:26:55 PM
Not that I know of.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: calcio103 on April 24, 2007, 12:30:15 PM
lol..well i guess I'll get started on that...
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: undecided07 on April 24, 2007, 08:02:46 PM
I lived in Hoboken for a while (if anyone has seen my other posts I'm just going to put on a disclaimer saying I've moved 14 or 15 times im my life, so that explains how I have knowledge on various areas)... and I have to say that even though it seems expensive, relative to NYC its a great bargain.  You basically get larger spaces for less money.

For example, I currently live in Manhattan.  Pay $877.50 a month for a 2 bedroom in a 5 flight walk up I share with a roommate.  When I lived in Hoboken, I paid $900 per month.  I lived in a 2 story duplex with a backyard; it was a converted firehouse and easily 5 to 6 times larger than the place I live in now!

Hoboken is pretty cool.  Its really chill, a good place if you are in your mid to late 20s to early 30s, and has great views of Manhattan.  The light rail, path and NJ transit trains make it fairly accessible.. although sometimes it can take a while to get somewhere and coming back from NYC late at night is not too fun.  Finding parking in the area is a major pain in the ass too.

As for JC, I have a friend who owns a brownstone there and has been living there for the last 10 years.  She says its really great, another affordable option.  I know that some areas aren't the safest, but that's true of any city.

Good luck with you apt searches!
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: Ali on April 25, 2007, 06:52:55 AM
Could you explain what you mean by getting back from NYC at night is not fun?
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: Boyce Baylor on April 25, 2007, 07:37:15 AM
Could you explain what you mean by getting back from NYC at night is not fun?

After 2:00 AM the PATh only runs every 25 minutes or so. In the morning it runs every three to five minutes. Therefore, while the commute to work/school is fantastic, the commute home from the bars at 5:00 AM can be pretty devastating. I assume that is what she is reffering to.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: joewillie on April 25, 2007, 07:49:38 AM
True about the PATH in the wee wee hours.  It can also be filled with drunken meatheads doing chin-ups on the pole.   That said, Hoboken is good spot.  I have been a somewhat reluctant resident for over four years but the place has grown on me.  It has a small city vibe apart from the looming metropolis across the river, very safe, clean, good restaurants (many of which are BYO).  The surface vibe is somewhat post-fraternity bar crawl but there is still the old school charm of the Irish and Italian enclave it once was and a strong underground of artists and musicians (Maxwells is a great live music spot, plus Tunes and DCs).  I would especially recommend Hoboken for those who don't think of themselves as city people.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: undecided07 on April 25, 2007, 04:16:16 PM
Yes, what I mean about getting home at night is that it seems to take much longer than when you live in NYC.  Not only does the PATH run less frequently, but it only runs on the west side of Manhattan up to 34th street.  So... if you decide to party with friends in a different area, you have to a) either take the subway somewhere at night (which suck in NYC, since they run only every half an hour and generally are local at that so there are more stops!) or take a cab to a path station and go on to Jersey. 

When I lived in Hoboken I tended to just crash at a friends place in the city because, especially in my drunken state, it always seemed 10000 times easier.

But I think its a great place to live, especially if you aren't a city person or you want to be able to concentrate on your studies.  I didn't apply to any schools in NYC, even though I love it to death, because when I went here for UG I found it so hard to concentrate.  Apts were too small and not well lit, and there were always so many things going on that it was way to simple for me to get distracted.  But, now that I think about it, I living in Hoboken and going somewhere to school in Jersey or the city wouldn't have been so bad.  Its got a cozy, relaxed vibe that allows you to feel a part of a larger city, but also a smaller community as well.. without a lot of the anxiety that the metropolis can other wise give you.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: ě on April 25, 2007, 04:31:36 PM
Sort of off-topic, but I've seen a lot of Rutgers-N people looking at private renting, does the school not offer residences at all? Are they poor quality? Or is it generally just wanting to be in a better location?
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: deedeeleigh on April 25, 2007, 09:09:08 PM
Yes, what I mean about getting home at night is that it seems to take much longer than when you live in NYC.  Not only does the PATH run less frequently, but it only runs on the west side of Manhattan up to 34th street.  So... if you decide to party with friends in a different area, you have to a) either take the subway somewhere at night (which suck in NYC, since they run only every half an hour and generally are local at that so there are more stops!) or take a cab to a path station and go on to Jersey. 


This is so true. I started to plan my night around when the Path would come, because just missing one and knowing you have to wait a 1/2 hour with 100 other drunken people is not fun. But the PATH does have a stop near the Lower East Side. I went out there a lot when I lived in Hoboken and walking to that stop (Christopher Street or 8th Street) isn't so bad.

Also, going out in Hoboken is a lot fun too. But a cab back from the city is insanely expensive. I think if I live in NYC after LS and can afford it, I'd happily live in Hoboken near the PATH, even just to save the city taxes.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 25, 2007, 09:18:54 PM
"Sort of off-topic, but I've seen a lot of Rutgers-N people looking at private renting, does the school not offer residences at all? Are they poor quality? Or is it generally just wanting to be in a better location?"

Actually, when I visited, I met quite a few people who lived on campus or plan too.  I didn't tour them but I heard that the new student housing is "shockingly nice." 

I just feel slightly older than the average student.  I have my own apartment now, my own adult furniture, and just can't imagine going back to a suite with a kitchenette.  It is more important for me to be close to the city than campus.  It is definitley going to cost me to live in Hoboken or Jersey City but law school will be hard enough as is, I feel like I need some place nice to come home to.  I might regret spending the money later on, not too much I hope.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: undecided07 on April 25, 2007, 09:22:49 PM
"Sort of off-topic, but I've seen a lot of Rutgers-N people looking at private renting, does the school not offer residences at all? Are they poor quality? Or is it generally just wanting to be in a better location?"

Actually, when I visited, I met quite a few people who lived on campus or plan too.  I didn't tour them but I heard that the new student housing is "shockingly nice." 

I just feel slightly older than the average student.  I have my own apartment now, my own adult furniture, and just can't imagine going back to a suite with a kitchenette.  It is more important for me to be close to the city than campus.  It is definitley going to cost me to live in Hoboken or Jersey City but law school will be hard enough as is, I feel like I need some place nice to come home to.  I might regret spending the money later on, not too much I hope.


If it helps you do well in school and preserves your sanity, sometimes the expense is worth it. 

At least that's the justfication I am using for my decisions.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: thewanderer01 on April 25, 2007, 09:40:45 PM
Sort of off-topic, but I've seen a lot of Rutgers-N people looking at private renting, does the school not offer residences at all? Are they poor quality? Or is it generally just wanting to be in a better location?

I also heard lots of good things about the graduate housing is in and of itself nice, but its still living in Newark.

On another living in Jersey front, when is a good time to start looking for apartments? WA is a 20 day notice state, so you can look whenever you want, but you can't really be sure of what places are available until the 10th or 11th of the month before you want to move. I'd really appreciate any insight.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: ě on April 26, 2007, 05:59:28 AM
I just feel slightly older than the average student.  I have my own apartment now, my own adult furniture, and just can't imagine going back to a suite with a kitchenette.  It is more important for me to be close to the city than campus.  It is definitley going to cost me to live in Hoboken or Jersey City but law school will be hard enough as is, I feel like I need some place nice to come home to.  I might regret spending the money later on, not too much I hope.

I understand, and I can certainly relate to that. Been living alone for a good 10 years now, I can't really imagine starting to share bathroom and kitchen with some totally random people myself either. I just got curious, since I've seen a surprisingly large portion of Rutgers-N students looking at these options. I guess part of it would be that they'd rather live in JC or Hoboken than Newark too.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 26, 2007, 08:37:13 AM
Well, I've accepted the fact that I'm going to need a roommate in Hoboken and will probably wind up having to give up a lot of my furniture.  I'm starting to wonder if reduced tuition and a shorter commute is worth giving up my beautiful Brooklyn apt.  This is breaking my heart.  On that note, I'm seeing an apt. in Hoboken this weekend - does $950 a month to share a 2 bed/2 bath place sound like a good deal for the area?  I'm still in sticker shock - I thought I would save money by living in Jersey.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: ě on April 26, 2007, 08:41:02 AM
I know the Manhattan-Hoboken commute and the Brooklyn-Manhattan are very good, but it the commute from Brooklyn to Newark also so good that it's a realistic alternative to live in Brooklyn while attending Rutgers/SetonHall/whatever?
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 26, 2007, 08:55:14 AM
If I commuted from where I live:
1. Walk about 7-10 minutes to the A train
2. Take A train to WTC (about 15 minutes)
3. Transfer to the Path
4. Take the Path to Newark Penn Station (25 minutes?)
5. a. Walk through Newark
   b. Take the Light Rail
   c. After 3 PM take campus shuttle
6. Arrive at Campus

It will probably take a little over an hour.  It took almost an hour from downtown Manhattan - without the Brooklyn factor. And it is a commute
where I would be changing trains 3 times so it isn't like I can just
sit and read.  And I'm predicting the commute will get really annoying
when I want to stay late and study? 
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: ě on April 26, 2007, 08:57:08 AM
Yeah, my current commute by car is about 45min and I think that's enough time wasted traveling. On a train you'd have the option of reading of course, but still. Takes a good chunk out of the day.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: joewillie on April 26, 2007, 12:06:58 PM
If I commuted from where I live:
1. Walk about 7-10 minutes to the A train
2. Take A train to WTC (about 15 minutes)
3. Transfer to the Path
4. Take the Path to Newark Penn Station (25 minutes?)
5. a. Walk through Newark
   b. Take the Light Rail
   c. After 3 PM take campus shuttle
6. Arrive at Campus


Another optionm, instead of taking the PATH to Newark, would be to take the PATH to Hoboken and switch to a NJTransit Train that gets out at Broad Street-Newark, which is about 5 blocks from Rutgers campus.  The NJTrain takes 15 minutes and is nice, spacious etc. 

I live in Hoboken and was considering doing the opposite commute if I attended BLS.  The commute was a serious downside to BLS.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: sarahlina on April 26, 2007, 12:38:19 PM
Thank you!  I didn't even know about that option - I just looked up NJ transit and they even have a reduced student fare option.  There is so much I have to learn about this state.
Title: Re: Living in New Jersey
Post by: calcio103 on April 26, 2007, 01:54:41 PM
I wanna say that the njtransit fare from Newark Penn to Rutgers is 60 cents...