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Title: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on March 31, 2007, 10:08:24 PM
After the hell of the application process and weighing which school to attend, I've finally settled on Case.  Who else is with me?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: notmad on April 01, 2007, 09:56:19 AM
After the hell of the application process and weighing which school to attend, I've finally settled on Case.  Who else is with me?

I'm with you!  I just visited yesterday and was very impressed.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: DQ8 on April 04, 2007, 02:47:18 PM
I am also going to be a Cleveland transplant this summer.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on April 10, 2007, 09:57:47 PM
Woo hoo!

Anyone else?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ciaobella on April 11, 2007, 07:31:35 AM
Sent in my deposit a week ago!

Did anyone else who got a scholarship get the letter from the school that says scholarship recipients have to help out with phone-a-thons and prospective students?  Anybody know how often/much they would have us helping out?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on April 11, 2007, 08:10:27 AM
Ciaobella--

It mentioned that on my letter, too.  It didn't really say much; just that we had to be willing to participate in those phone-a-thons, etc.  I doubt they'll have us dicking around with that stuff very often, especially as 1Ls.  We'll be busy enough without having to deal with that.

No worries :)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ciaobella on April 11, 2007, 10:44:10 AM

I doubt they'll have us dicking around with that stuff very often, especially as 1Ls.  We'll be busy enough without having to deal with that.

No worries :)

I figured as much, but a small part of me still worried about it since we'll be so busy.  It's actually pretty smart of them to get the scholarship recipients to help them out like that, and I'm certainly not complaining since their gpa requirement is so generous!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on April 12, 2007, 11:14:35 PM
So that's it?  Three people going to Case?

Wow...
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: lovethelaw2010 on April 12, 2007, 11:20:29 PM
I would like to go if they would give me a decision.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on April 13, 2007, 12:03:00 AM
My God, they still haven't given you a decision yet??  It's late enough now you might try calling to see what's going on...

Good luck!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: lovethelaw2010 on April 13, 2007, 12:18:09 AM
I've tried that and they say you should be coming out of committee today every time I've called but nothing.  They just keep telling me I am still under review and I should hear shortly.  Lady was nice the second time I called though and apologized for the first lady telling me that because she said "I bet you thought you got rejected when you didn't get an email" but you are just still in review.  Hopefully I'll find out one day.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rugercaptain on April 13, 2007, 05:13:50 AM
My God, they still haven't given you a decision yet??  It's late enough now you might try calling to see what's going on...

Good luck!

Guess I'll be calling, too, but maybe they're laughing so hard at my numbers that they've yet to catch their collective breath to send me the ding letter.   :-[
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Jhuen_the_bird on April 13, 2007, 05:33:32 AM
I would like to go if they would give me a decision.


Seconded ... except minus the "I would like to go" part ... this is just asshat-ary, btw.  There is no reason why I shouldn't have heard anything from them ... I've been accepted into Cincinnati (and I'm going there) and waitlisted at OSU.

Haven't heard a PEEP from Case.  But frankly, I don't really care since I'm going to CINCINNATI, BABY! (our bar passage rate in ohio is higher anyway  ;))
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: skeeball on April 13, 2007, 06:12:49 AM
I finally got my decision letter yesterday. I applied the second week of September. They gave me a week to make a decision and send in a deposit. But they were nice enough to include a $200 travel voucher. Not that I'd be able to use it before I have to send them some $$$, but whatever.

Thanks, but no thanks.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: lifewasted on April 13, 2007, 06:50:23 AM
i really don't understand what case is doing.  i am sure it would be a pain in the ass, but how about some correspondence indicating they are still in the decision making process and should hear soon.  according to this board, their process is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way. 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: lovethelaw2010 on April 13, 2007, 07:12:03 AM
It's absolutley unbelievable how slow they are.  I can't imagine them being able to get as quality of a class as they could of if they handled this in a more professional manner.  At least sending out a mass email just letting everybody know what the deal was or something. 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on April 13, 2007, 08:12:08 AM
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that so many people have had such a negative experience with Case.  They were somewhat slow in making their decision about my app (the slowest of the schools to which I applied), but nowhere near as atrocious as some of what I hear on this board.

Still, despite their apparent administrative tomfoolery, they are an excellent school.

Good luck to everyone who's still waiting to hear, and if you find out you're in and you decide to attend, let's hear about it!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: lifewasted on April 13, 2007, 08:17:50 AM
more than likely i will end up in miami anyway....which may invalidate some of my statement.  i am probably just anxiously awaiting a rejection from case.  whatever.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on April 25, 2007, 02:53:01 PM
IN AT CASE VIA E-MAIL! SO EXCITED!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on April 25, 2007, 03:32:02 PM
I'm not that surprised that I have yet to get a decision from them.  Given my numbers, I suspect that I am waitlist candidate anyway, so it makes sense that they wouldn't move that fast on my app.

However, a simple mass e-mail would have been nice, as someone else said.  Just let me know you're still out there, ya know?   :)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ciaobella on April 25, 2007, 04:45:50 PM
IN AT CASE VIA E-MAIL! SO EXCITED!

Congrats!  ;D
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on April 25, 2007, 05:12:12 PM
Thank you, I am pretty set on Case. Who's also going?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ebirt07 on April 25, 2007, 05:54:00 PM
Thank you, I am pretty set on Case. Who's also going?

i sent in my first deposit, but i'm starting to balk at the cost... even with a scholarship, it's waay too much
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: P.U.S.H on April 25, 2007, 08:31:41 PM
I also thought that since I hadn't heard by email I was dinged, but called a few days ago and they said my file was up for "evaluation" and I should hear within a few weeks.

I'm not holding my breath...but if I get that surprise letter, it'll only add to my confusion :-\
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: camillesthename on April 27, 2007, 08:10:12 AM
Well from what I was able to glean from the website, they render their decisions starting from January 1 thru May 1.  Based on that, I would say they are still within their timeframe, though it runs out Tuesday. 

Did I understand someone correctly where they said Case emailed them an admissions decision?   ??? 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ebirt07 on April 27, 2007, 08:26:24 AM
Did I understand someone correctly where they said Case emailed them an admissions decision?   ??? 

Word, they usually send out an e-mail decision followed by a snail mail envelope about a week later.  Then, if you play your cards right, you get a window sticker and a t-shirt.  HEY-O!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on April 27, 2007, 08:55:31 AM
Does everyone get a window sticker and a t-shirt when they get the formal acceptance by snail mail?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ebirt07 on April 27, 2007, 09:02:41 AM
Does everyone get a window sticker and a t-shirt when they get the formal acceptance by snail mail?

you get the window sticker... the tshirt comes after the first deposit
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on April 27, 2007, 09:06:06 AM
I got the window decal with my snail mail acceptance, but didn't get the t-shirt until I put down my deposit.

That said, I'm still waiting on a few schools where I'm waitlisted, but if I get dinged from those I'll be at Case.  About the cost, I wouldn't really worry about it b/c Cleveland is so ridiculously cheap to live in that you may end up with the same total debt load as many other "cheaper" schools in more expensive areas. 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on April 27, 2007, 11:23:53 AM
I sent them an "um...about that decision" e-mail on Monday and have not yet heard back from them.  They must be really busy or very adverse to giving out bad news!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: camillesthename on April 27, 2007, 12:20:12 PM
Does everyone get a window sticker and a t-shirt when they get the formal acceptance by snail mail?

you get the window sticker... the tshirt comes after the first deposit
Ingenious!!   ::)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: notmad on April 27, 2007, 01:04:34 PM
Did anyone who took them up on their $200 reimbursement receive it, or know when it might come?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rugercaptain on April 27, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
I sent them an "um...about that decision" e-mail on Monday and have not yet heard back from them.  They must be really busy or very adverse to giving out bad news!

I got this email on Monday the 23rd:

Thank you for your recent application inquiry.  Currently, your
application is with the Admissions Committee and you'll be notified in the
next week of a decision.  Should you have any additional questions, please
don't hesitate to contact the main office.

Darlene A. Shuler, M.Ed., M.A.
Assistant Director of Admissions
and Diversity Initiatives
Case Western Reserve University School of Law
11075 East Boulevard
Cleveland, OH 44106-7148
Phone: 216-368-3601
Fax: 216-368-1042
www.case.edu

So, next week?  By the 1st?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on April 27, 2007, 05:08:20 PM
Did anyone who took them up on their $200 reimbursement receive it, or know when it might come?

Yeah I did.  It took about a month to get it.  For point of reference, I sent it in the beginning of March and got it early April.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on April 27, 2007, 05:14:47 PM
Does everyone get the $200 travel voucher? I would like to go see the school one more time before I put down a seat deposit. From what I remember, the library was really nice. They had recently completed the remodeling of it. Good luck on everyone waiting for Case.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on April 27, 2007, 06:00:52 PM
Does everyone get the $200 travel voucher? I would like to go see the school one more time before I put down a seat deposit. From what I remember, the library was really nice. They had recently completed the remodeling of it. Good luck on everyone waiting for Case.

My guess is probably.  It came with the snail mail acceptance.  If you didn't get one, I'm sure you could write to them and get one.  For me it was good b/c I was going to visit regardless so it was almost like free $$...or thinking of it another way, it paid for my seat deposit, and then some. 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: camillesthename on April 30, 2007, 06:31:03 AM
I sent them an "um...about that decision" e-mail on Monday and have not yet heard back from them.  They must be really busy or very adverse to giving out bad news!

I got this email on Monday the 23rd:

Thank you for your recent application inquiry.  Currently, your
application is with the Admissions Committee and you'll be notified in the
next week of a decision.  Should you have any additional questions, please
don't hesitate to contact the main office.

Darlene A. Shuler, M.Ed., M.A.
Assistant Director of Admissions
and Diversity Initiatives
Case Western Reserve University School of Law
11075 East Boulevard
Cleveland, OH 44106-7148
Phone: 216-368-3601
Fax: 216-368-1042
www.case.edu

So, next week?  By the 1st?


Me:  Good morning, My name is (name censored), and I would like to inquiry about the status of my Fall 2007 application.

Her:  Currently, your application is in evaluation, and you should be receiving a decision SOON 

Me: >:(  Ma'am, would you please define soon.

(pregnant moment of silence)

Me:  Hello?   ???  HE--lllOOOOOoooooo??

(phone disconnects)

 :(
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: P.U.S.H on April 30, 2007, 10:08:30 AM
I sent them an "um...about that decision" e-mail on Monday and have not yet heard back from them.  They must be really busy or very adverse to giving out bad news!

I got this email on Monday the 23rd:

Thank you for your recent application inquiry.  Currently, your
application is with the Admissions Committee and you'll be notified in the
next week of a decision.  Should you have any additional questions, please
don't hesitate to contact the main office.

Darlene A. Shuler, M.Ed., M.A.
Assistant Director of Admissions
and Diversity Initiatives
Case Western Reserve University School of Law
11075 East Boulevard
Cleveland, OH 44106-7148
Phone: 216-368-3601
Fax: 216-368-1042
www.case.edu

So, next week?  By the 1st?


Me:  Good morning, My name is (name censored), and I would like to inquiry about the status of my Fall 2007 application.

Her:  Currently, your application is in evaluation, and you should be receiving a decision SOON 

Me: >:(  Ma'am, would you please define soon.

(pregnant moment of silence)

Me:  Hello?   ???  HE--lllOOOOOoooooo??

(phone disconnects)

 :(


Seriously???
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: camillesthename on April 30, 2007, 10:44:26 AM


Seriously???

I wish I could say I was kidding.   :o
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: gamma1234 on April 30, 2007, 12:19:42 PM
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007

Admissions Staff,

   I was wondering if your office would be able to give me an estimated date on when you will come to a decision on my application for the Fall of 2007.  Any help you would be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.


Darlene Shuler
Sent:Mon 4/09/07
Gamma1234,
 
All applications are with our Admissions Committee.  As soon as a decision has been made you will be notified.

Case administration is worthless. thanks for the non-answer
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on April 30, 2007, 12:33:09 PM
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007

Admissions Staff,

   I was wondering if your office would be able to give me an estimated date on when you will come to a decision on my application for the Fall of 2007.  Any help you would be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.


Darlene Shuler
Sent:Mon 4/09/07
Gamma1234,
 
All applications are with our Admissions Committee.  As soon as a decision has been made you will be notified.

Case administration is worthless. thanks for the non-answer


Its weird that Case wrote that they are worthless and thanked themselves for the non-answer. At least they have a sense of humor about the amount of time they are taking.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on April 30, 2007, 01:06:48 PM
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007

Admissions Staff,

   I was wondering if your office would be able to give me an estimated date on when you will come to a decision on my application for the Fall of 2007.  Any help you would be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.


Darlene Shuler
Sent:Mon 4/09/07
Gamma1234,
 
All applications are with our Admissions Committee.  As soon as a decision has been made you will be notified.

Case administration is worthless. thanks for the non-answer


Its weird that Case wrote that they are worthless and thanked themselves for the non-answer. At least they have a sense of humor about the amount of time they are taking.

And you do have to appreciate honesty.   ;D
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: P.U.S.H on April 30, 2007, 06:25:12 PM


Seriously???

I wish I could say I was kidding.   :o

I'm going to continue to give them the benefit of the doubt, for a few reasons:

1. I'm sending a LOCI today and hope that will make a difference, and
2. If not, I don't really see myself living in Cleveland anyway  :P

But if I had to give an opinion (which could be totally off-base and idiotic), I'd say Case is avoiding having a long waitlist into the summer by withholding accept/deny letters until after they've gotten and verified deposits by those accepted, and that the polite responses (as evidenced by rugercaptain) are reserved for those that have competitive numbers and the less than polite treatment is for everyone else. I make this wild assumption based on the fact that when someone calls, they typically ask for your name and/or social and seemingly pull some info up electronically to determine where you're at in the process. Again, JMNSHO.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on May 01, 2007, 03:09:21 PM
But if I had to give an opinion (which could be totally off-base and idiotic), I'd say Case is avoiding having a long waitlist into the summer by withholding accept/deny letters until after they've gotten and verified deposits by those accepted, and that the polite responses (as evidenced by rugercaptain) are reserved for those that have competitive numbers and the less than polite treatment is for everyone else. I make this wild assumption based on the fact that when someone calls, they typically ask for your name and/or social and seemingly pull some info up electronically to determine where you're at in the process. Again, JMNSHO.

So what if you sent them an e-mail and they didn't even respond at all?  Does that put you above the people who get the mean responses, or below them?   ;D
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: P.U.S.H on May 01, 2007, 05:29:41 PM
But if I had to give an opinion (which could be totally off-base and idiotic), I'd say Case is avoiding having a long waitlist into the summer by withholding accept/deny letters until after they've gotten and verified deposits by those accepted, and that the polite responses (as evidenced by rugercaptain) are reserved for those that have competitive numbers and the less than polite treatment is for everyone else. I make this wild assumption based on the fact that when someone calls, they typically ask for your name and/or social and seemingly pull some info up electronically to determine where you're at in the process. Again, JMNSHO.

So what if you sent them an e-mail and they didn't even respond at all?  Does that put you above the people who get the mean responses, or below them?   ;D

They could be the school that prefers postal mail... or you could just be SOL :D

It's all a crap shoot at this point anyway, right?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 17, 2007, 09:35:10 PM
Man, all of this is madness.  I didn't have any problems with them.  Notified early, good follow-through on questions, polite administrators.  Strange.  I will admit that since I sent my deposit, they haven't been as communicative, particularly regarding financial aid, but I imagine they're pretty swamped right now.

Anyway, good luck to everyone, whatever decision you make.

Anyone else decide on Case?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 18, 2007, 05:55:19 AM
Man, all of this is madness.  I didn't have any problems with them.  Notified early, good follow-through on questions, polite administrators.  Strange.  I will admit that since I sent my deposit, they haven't been as communicative, particularly regarding financial aid, but I imagine they're pretty swamped right now.

Anyway, good luck to everyone, whatever decision you make.

Anyone else decide on Case?

I dont know yet, im going to check out that international law session their today, but I just got my phone call accepting me, so I dont know about any scholarships... decisions decisions...
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ciaobella on May 18, 2007, 09:13:02 AM
Anybody else get the email about parking today?  I tried looking at the parking website and it looks like 52B is the closest lot to the law school.  Are there any current students out there (or people who've visited/asked) who can talk about the parking situation?  Is it possible to get a pass for a lot nearby the building and where do most law students park?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: jhertzo on May 18, 2007, 01:20:33 PM
Hey, I went to that international program today even though I don't plan on doing international law.  The professors were really impressive though, and the building/campus is beautiful.  I really need to decide between Case where with the scholarship they offered me I'd have to pay $10 a year, or Cleveland Marshall where I have a full scholarship.  What would you guys do?? I want to stay in Cleveland so I don't really need the 'name' of Case. I got the e-mail about parking too and I do think that 52B or A is the closest, so hopefully we'll be able to get one of those spots.  I'm glad they have sent out parking stuff though because it was pretty hard to find a spot today! 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on May 18, 2007, 02:02:45 PM
Hey, I went to that international program today even though I don't plan on doing international law.  The professors were really impressive though, and the building/campus is beautiful.  I really need to decide between Case where with the scholarship they offered me I'd have to pay $10 a year, or Cleveland Marshall where I have a full scholarship.  What would you guys do?? I want to stay in Cleveland so I don't really need the 'name' of Case. I got the e-mail about parking too and I do think that 52B or A is the closest, so hopefully we'll be able to get one of those spots.  I'm glad they have sent out parking stuff though because it was pretty hard to find a spot today! 

Well, let me first admit that I know very little about Cleveland Marshall.

However, $10K per year is still really cheap for law school.  I'd go to Case.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 18, 2007, 08:03:16 PM
Hey, I went to that international program today even though I don't plan on doing international law.  The professors were really impressive though, and the building/campus is beautiful.  I really need to decide between Case where with the scholarship they offered me I'd have to pay $10 a year, or Cleveland Marshall where I have a full scholarship.  What would you guys do?? I want to stay in Cleveland so I don't really need the 'name' of Case. I got the e-mail about parking too and I do think that 52B or A is the closest, so hopefully we'll be able to get one of those spots.  I'm glad they have sent out parking stuff though because it was pretty hard to find a spot today! 

Girl sitting in the back-row with her boyfriend?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: jhertzo on May 19, 2007, 06:20:46 AM
yup, good guess (or maybe my avatar gave it away?)  ;) , anyways I see you are in @ both schools too.  Do you know where you are going and why?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 19, 2007, 10:13:46 AM
yup, good guess (or maybe my avatar gave it away?)  ;) , anyways I see you are in @ both schools too.  Do you know where you are going and why?

I have no clue, 1/2 ride at CM, nothing at case. That extra 70-90k debt at the end will be a tough pill to take, but the average starting salary for case is 20k higher than CM..

Plus the people at case seemed wayy more accessible than CM, but i plan on at least sticking around Cleveland for a couple years. I really cannot decide now, im hoping to email Alyson and tell her that if they offered me around 10k/yr I would send in my seat deposit that day.

So im leaning for case, but not sure at all... I was the kid in the blue shirt with the white collar... What are you thinking about both?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on May 19, 2007, 11:42:38 AM
Got my e-mail acceptance today.

A little strange, since I didn't hear anything from them from the time I applied up until now.

Anyway, I was pretty set on attending a regional Tier 3 with a nice scholarship.  The e-mail didn't mention anything about a scholarship, but I guess it could always come through in snail mail.

Can anyone make a case for why I should attend Case at a much greater cost?

Something to consider is that I could see myself living in Cleveland for three years, but its quite unlikely that I would want to stay in the region afterwards.  I'm thinking the west coast or maybe the southwest as likely destinations for me after law school.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 19, 2007, 12:01:41 PM
Anybody else get the email about parking today?  I tried looking at the parking website and it looks like 52B is the closest lot to the law school.  Are there any current students out there (or people who've visited/asked) who can talk about the parking situation?  Is it possible to get a pass for a lot nearby the building and where do most law students park?

Hey, just a note about parking.  My wife just graduated from the Cleveland Institute of Music, which is located on Case Western's campus (right across the street from the law school, actually), and she spent $75/year for a membership at the Natural History Museum, which includes a parking voucher.  It's about a block or maybe two from the law school, and significantly cheaper than paying for a spot.  The only downside is they caught on to students doing this, and now make you go inside to get your parking validated, but it's a minor inconvenience for those of us trying to save some money.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: jhertzo on May 19, 2007, 03:20:30 PM


I have no clue, 1/2 ride at CM, nothing at case. That extra 70-90k debt at the end will be a tough pill to take, but the average starting salary for case is 20k higher than CM..

Plus the people at case seemed wayy more accessible than CM, but i plan on at least sticking around Cleveland for a couple years. I really cannot decide now, im hoping to email Alyson and tell her that if they offered me around 10k/yr I would send in my seat deposit that day.

So im leaning for case, but not sure at all... I was the kid in the blue shirt with the white collar... What are you thinking about both?
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I'm really not sure either, but obviously need to decide soon b/c the second seat deposit @ CM is due the 1st of June, which sucks because it's before that admitted students day @ Case.  A lot of people I talk to say staying in Cleveland you can do pretty well going to CM & make a lot of connections.  I was really impressed with Case though, I have no clue what to do.  It's hard to turn down free, but to keep CM scholarship I need to keep a 3.2 or something, which  may not be that easy & Case is just "in good standing"... I think it would be easier if someone else would just tell me where to go, I can't decide! ???
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on May 19, 2007, 05:43:23 PM
Sorry this is a little off the current discussion, but I was wondering if anyone received a t-shirt from case after sending in their seat deposit. If so, how long did it it take for you to get one after you sent in your seat deposit? TIA
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 20, 2007, 07:18:35 AM
Hey, just a note about parking.  My wife just graduated from the Cleveland Institute of Music, which is located on Case Western's campus (right across the street from the law school, actually), and she spent $75/year for a membership at the Natural History Museum, which includes a parking voucher.  It's about a block or maybe two from the law school, and significantly cheaper than paying for a spot.  The only downside is they caught on to students doing this, and now make you go inside to get your parking validated, but it's a minor inconvenience for those of us trying to save some money.

Okay, forget my last post.  For some reason I was under the impression Case parking was more like $150/semester or something.  Also, I did some research, and it looks like the museum did away with the free parking for members thing, probably because so many students abused it.  Oh, well.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 20, 2007, 07:19:42 AM
Sorry this is a little off the current discussion, but I was wondering if anyone received a t-shirt from case after sending in their seat deposit. If so, how long did it it take for you to get one after you sent in your seat deposit? TIA

Yeah, I'm wearing my tee-shirt right now.  I think it took a week or two, but I don't really remember.  I'm sure you'll get one--as with everything else about the Case admission process, be patient :)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on May 21, 2007, 06:26:49 AM
haha your definitely right about that. Kleinpau, did u get my PM I sent you a few days ago?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 21, 2007, 09:16:27 AM
Okay, forget my last post.  For some reason I was under the impression Case parking was more like $150/semester or something.  Also, I did some research, and it looks like the museum did away with the free parking for members thing, probably because so many students abused it.  Oh, well.

Wow.  Nevermind.  It's about $700 for parking.  I called the Museum of Natural History, and they still have a membership package that includes free parking, but it's their most expensive one.  It's $150 per year, which beats the sh!t out of $700.  So I will be a proud supporter of the Museum next year.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 21, 2007, 09:54:52 AM
Okay, forget my last post.  For some reason I was under the impression Case parking was more like $150/semester or something.  Also, I did some research, and it looks like the museum did away with the free parking for members thing, probably because so many students abused it.  Oh, well.

Wow.  Nevermind.  It's about $700 for parking.  I called the Museum of Natural History, and they still have a membership package that includes free parking, but it's their most expensive one.  It's $150 per year, which beats the sh!t out of $700.  So I will be a proud supporter of the Museum next year.

http://www.cmnh.org/site/GetInvolved_BecomeAMember_MembershipCategoriesandBenefits.aspx (http://www.cmnh.org/site/GetInvolved_BecomeAMember_MembershipCategoriesandBenefits.aspx)

Friend – $150

All basic benefits for 2 adults and your children
Additional 2 guests per visit
Unlimited free parking
Reciprocal admission to select natural history museums across the country
Two complimentary tickets to exhibit preview parties
Special recognition for additional support

I cant get the case parking yet because I have yet to send in a deposit... but the natural history museum doesnt have that much parking on site... I wonder how quick this fills up. I just dont want to have to be freaking out trying to find a meter 10mins before class..
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Katie08 on May 21, 2007, 10:18:26 AM
watch out though, I'm a cleveland native and they've started cracking down on people using the parking lot without going into the museum (even threatened to tow a friend of mine). even if you're a member, you have to be using the museum in order to get free parking or you might get a ticket/towed.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: john jacob on May 21, 2007, 05:17:15 PM
How much in scholarships did you get? I was accepted... but it's just too damn expensive I think.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: cesco on May 21, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
I'm really not sure either, but obviously need to decide soon b/c the second seat deposit @ CM is due the 1st of June, which sucks because it's before that admitted students day @ Case.  A lot of people I talk to say staying in Cleveland you can do pretty well going to CM & make a lot of connections.  I was really impressed with Case though, I have no clue what to do.  It's hard to turn down free, but to keep CM scholarship I need to keep a 3.2 or something, which  may not be that easy & Case is just "in good standing"... I think it would be easier if someone else would just tell me where to go, I can't decide! ???

Per NALP the Cleveland Marshall GPA for graduating students is:
Top 10%: 3.65 
Top 25%: 3.41 
Top 33%: 3.29 
Top 50%: 3.04 
Top 75%: 2.76 

So the 3.2 at Cleveland is about top third.  Not unreasonable, but the partial scholarship at Case would be a lot less stressful.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 21, 2007, 08:26:04 PM
watch out though, I'm a cleveland native and they've started cracking down on people using the parking lot without going into the museum (even threatened to tow a friend of mine). even if you're a member, you have to be using the museum in order to get free parking or you might get a ticket/towed.

My wife did this as a student at CIM, and all you have to do is go into the museum and have your parking validated.  They know you're a student, but there's really nothing they can do about it because you've paid for the membership.  It's just a pain in the ass to go inside every day and get the ticket stamped.

Also, I know that a lot of the gated lots on campus open up after about 5:30, sometimes a little later.    So if you're going to be on campus late, you won't have to pay.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 22, 2007, 10:45:18 AM
Well Case just offered me 9k, it was enough to sway me, looks like is CWRU next year!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rugercaptain on May 22, 2007, 10:55:46 AM
I'm really not sure either, but obviously need to decide soon b/c the second seat deposit @ CM is due the 1st of June, which sucks because it's before that admitted students day @ Case.  A lot of people I talk to say staying in Cleveland you can do pretty well going to CM & make a lot of connections.  I was really impressed with Case though, I have no clue what to do.  It's hard to turn down free, but to keep CM scholarship I need to keep a 3.2 or something, which  may not be that easy & Case is just "in good standing"... I think it would be easier if someone else would just tell me where to go, I can't decide! ???

1)  Go to Case
2)  Give me your C-M $$   :D
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rugercaptain on May 22, 2007, 11:00:11 AM
Well Case just offered me 9k, it was enough to sway me, looks like is CWRU next year!

Congrats on the Case acceptance and 9K scholarship!  I'll take your $8K from C-M now that you'll not be needing it...   ;)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 22, 2007, 11:12:43 AM
Well Case just offered me 9k, it was enough to sway me, looks like is CWRU next year!

Congrats on the Case acceptance and 9K scholarship!  I'll take your $8K from C-M now that you'll not be needing it...   ;)

Im mailing in my WD to cleveland today, on it i will write;

Mr. Toasterking respectfully requests that the remainder of his scholarship monies are offered to Ms Rugercaptain for the CM 2010 class.


Have you tried asking CM for more cash?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on May 22, 2007, 12:00:02 PM
Well Case just offered me 9k, it was enough to sway me, looks like is CWRU next year!

Congrats!

When did you find this out?  I ask because I received an e-mail acceptance that said there would be a letter to follow.  I haven't got the letter yet (should be any day now).  I'm wondering if they would've told me about scholarships in the e-mail, or if that only comes with the letter?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 22, 2007, 12:30:31 PM
Well Case just offered me 9k, it was enough to sway me, looks like is CWRU next year!

Congrats!

When did you find this out?  I ask because I received an e-mail acceptance that said there would be a letter to follow.  I haven't got the letter yet (should be any day now).  I'm wondering if they would've told me about scholarships in the e-mail, or if that only comes with the letter?

About 3 days after the email acceptance I got the admission letter, than another 4 days after that I got the scholarship letter... nothing in the email or 1st letter gave any information I had a scholarship though, if nothing else it never hurts to ask in a couple days right?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on May 22, 2007, 12:58:56 PM
Well Case just offered me 9k, it was enough to sway me, looks like is CWRU next year!

Congrats!

When did you find this out?  I ask because I received an e-mail acceptance that said there would be a letter to follow.  I haven't got the letter yet (should be any day now).  I'm wondering if they would've told me about scholarships in the e-mail, or if that only comes with the letter?

About 3 days after the email acceptance I got the admission letter, than another 4 days after that I got the scholarship letter... nothing in the email or 1st letter gave any information I had a scholarship though, if nothing else it never hurts to ask in a couple days right?

Thanks for the response.  I will do a follow-up with Case as soon as I get the letter.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on May 23, 2007, 05:51:33 AM
Is anyone going to the "Entering Students day" on June 8th?  I have a feeling its probably like the one they held in early April, but I wasn't able to make that one, and I'm considering going this time around.  Conversely if anyone was there in April, and thinks its worth it/not worth it, feel free to add.  I have already visited campus and sat in on a class so I don't need that aspect of it.   

Like I think I said before, Im not 100% decided on Case as I still have a couple waitlists out there, but Id rather be prepared for the likeliest of situations (i.e. the waitlists bail and Im at Case).   

Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 23, 2007, 06:04:24 AM
Is anyone going to the "Entering Students day" on June 8th?  I have a feeling its probably like the one they held in early April, but I wasn't able to make that one, and I'm considering going this time around.  Conversely if anyone was there in April, and thinks its worth it/not worth it, feel free to add.  I have already visited campus and sat in on a class so I don't need that aspect of it.   


Ill be there on the 8th, but I already went to the international thing (not really where i want to practice) so im hoping it will be a different format.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 23, 2007, 08:25:05 PM
Is anyone going to the "Entering Students day" on June 8th?  I have a feeling its probably like the one they held in early April, but I wasn't able to make that one, and I'm considering going this time around.  Conversely if anyone was there in April, and thinks its worth it/not worth it, feel free to add.  I have already visited campus and sat in on a class so I don't need that aspect of it.   

Like I think I said before, Im not 100% decided on Case as I still have a couple waitlists out there, but Id rather be prepared for the likeliest of situations (i.e. the waitlists bail and Im at Case).   

I'm going.  Should be informative, and a good opportunity to meet some profs and other students.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ebirt07 on May 23, 2007, 08:30:29 PM
I'll be there. I may try to get in a day early and catch the Indians matinée.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: The Rural Juror on May 23, 2007, 08:41:55 PM
So...I STILL have not heard anything from Case...
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: john jacob on May 23, 2007, 09:18:12 PM
So, just asking y'all.

Is Case Western worth 35k a year to you?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ebirt07 on May 23, 2007, 09:21:25 PM
So, just asking y'all.

Is Case Western worth 35k a year to you?

I got a medium sized scholarship, but I still don't know.  It's still way expensive.  I'm banking on its existence in a large legal market where few will try to enter from the outside.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: P.U.S.H on May 23, 2007, 10:01:37 PM
So...I STILL have not heard anything from Case...

They're STILL trying not to hurt my feelings :P

This might be the only rejection I straight laugh at when it comes in the mail :D
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on May 24, 2007, 04:24:22 AM
So, just asking y'all.

Is Case Western worth 35k a year to you?

I also have a scholarship, so it's not costing me 35k.  But in a word, yeah.  I'm not sure I would come to Case from another state, but for someone who already owns a house in Cleveland and plans to stay in the Midwest, it's a great school.  As a previous poster said, Cleveland is a huge legal market, and because of our tumbling economy, nobody's moving here for jobs, they're all moving away.  Making it somewhat less competitive than some of the other markets (like Chicago, Boston, etc.).

Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 24, 2007, 05:08:40 AM
So, just asking y'all.

Is Case Western worth 35k a year to you?

I have a small scholarship there, but am also able to move back home and save some serious money on COL as opposed to going somewhere to live. That being said it is quite a serious chunk of cash but the Cleveland legal market seems to be doing well and I think they are a good investment (they seem to care about admitted students, faculty looks to be very accessible, and the students all seem normal and not conceited.)

But who am I kidding, i would pay 35k a year just to take one class with Henry King.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on May 24, 2007, 09:20:22 AM
If you want to practice in Cleveland after graduation, Case is money. Even if you want to stay in the midwest you should have decent job prospects. Obviously this depends on where you finish in the class and what city you want to move to, but overall Case has a strong reputation in the midwest. 50-60% of Case students, in any given year, come from out of state and many of them will return to their home town upon graduation. I am not originally from Cleveland, but have no problem working there after graduation. As Kleinpau pointed out, the cost of living is relatively low, I believe housing is like 30% less than the national average.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on May 24, 2007, 11:25:55 AM
So...I STILL have not heard anything from Case...

Don't lose hope.  I just received an e-mail (actually two e-mails) informing me that I was accepted.  I've been calling about once a week for the last month or so and I think that helped.  That said, while the people in the office are extremely nice, do NOT take any time frame for a decision at face value. 

I was told last Monday that a decision was made and I should hear no later than the start of this week.  When I didn't get an e-mail on Tuesday I was stressed, when Wednesday, Thursday and Friday passed I figured there was no chance (even though my numbers would seem to be good enough (160/3.67.))  By Saturday I figured, well, nothing came in the mail (i.e. rejection) so they didn't process anything by Wednesday or Thursday (I live near Akron so the mail would only take a day or so.) 

By Monday I called back and they didn't even have my folder or a decision?!?  She said I should hear within three days, which I did.

My advice would be to call and check on your file, tell them that you are very interested in going, and (of course) be very nice.  I think they've been overwhelmed and are just behind.  My only real complaint is the incorrect information on the time frame which caused a lot of unnecessary stress.

Anyway, good luck!!!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on May 24, 2007, 11:35:54 AM
They seem to be going straight down the LSAT score list, in terms of giving out notices of acceptances.  If you've got around a 160, you probably should've heard from them by now.  If you are a little lower, you might have a week or two to wait yet.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on May 24, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
What class rank do you need to have at Case for Cleveland Biglaw? Top 10%? 20%?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Roman815 on May 25, 2007, 04:42:06 AM
Yesterday I received an e-mail from Case letting me know that I have been awarded a $9,000 yearly grant. Several people received this same grant yesterday according to LSN and the only requirements are that I remain in good standing (2.33 gpa). I will be asking USD for more money now and will see what they have to say. If USD doesn't make my $16,000 scholarship renewable, would it be a good idea to go to Case if I want to practice in California? I see no real reason to not attend USD aside from the increased scholarship at Case, lower cost of living, $3,000 less in tuition yearly, and the better national reputation of Case. USD may have the better reputation in California though, especially in Southern California. I'm going to wait for USD to respond to my request for increased funds before I make any decisions. Any informative comments would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on May 25, 2007, 05:12:43 AM
Yesterday I received an e-mail from Case letting me know that I have been awarded a $9,000 yearly grant. Several people received this same grant yesterday according to LSN and the only requirements are that I remain in good standing (2.33 gpa). I will be asking USD for more money now and will see what they have to say. If USD doesn't make my $16,000 scholarship renewable, would it be a good idea to go to Case if I want to practice in California? I see no real reason to not attend USD aside from the increased scholarship at Case, lower cost of living, $3,000 less in tuition yearly, and the better national reputation of Case. USD may have the better reputation in California though, especially in Southern California. I'm going to wait for USD to respond to my request for increased funds before I make any decisions. Any informative comments would be appreciated.

If you want to stay in California I see no reason to not goto USD, the 3k is a negligible amount, plus I dont know how Case does placing out West.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on May 25, 2007, 08:55:42 AM
Yesterday I received an e-mail from Case letting me know that I have been awarded a $9,000 yearly grant. Several people received this same grant yesterday according to LSN and the only requirements are that I remain in good standing (2.33 gpa). I will be asking USD for more money now and will see what they have to say. If USD doesn't make my $16,000 scholarship renewable, would it be a good idea to go to Case if I want to practice in California? I see no real reason to not attend USD aside from the increased scholarship at Case, lower cost of living, $3,000 less in tuition yearly, and the better national reputation of Case. USD may have the better reputation in California though, especially in Southern California. I'm going to wait for USD to respond to my request for increased funds before I make any decisions. Any informative comments would be appreciated.

Well, according to my copy of the USN&WR book (2006) 4% of the 2004 class were working in the Pacific region.  Of course its impossible to tell how many would LIKE to work there and couldn't make the connection, so I don't know if that's a positive or a negative number, although I would read it as fairly positive.  I would think that it would take more effort to get your foot in the door but that it can certainly be done.  Anyway, it might offer some insight.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Roman815 on May 26, 2007, 04:12:56 AM
Thank you both for your comments. Yet after two days of serious thought and discussion with my family I have decided to attend the University of San Diego. I'm still going to try to have them increase my aid though. What kept me at USD was the proximity to my family, USD's excellent bar passage rate of 80%, and the overall atmosphere of the school. I think I'll be happier in San Diego and this will lead to better grades. So I didn't flip flop this time. Still going to USD!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on May 26, 2007, 10:04:29 AM
I think you will find many more opportunities in California if you go to USD. This decision should have come down to where you want to practice after you graduate. Both are solid schools in their particular region, but obtaining work outside a 200 mile radius of each school may be a hustle and especially difficult without connections. I am glad this cycle is over, even though I will probably miss going to the mailbox everyday, hoping that there would be something there. Since I have decided where I am going, I don't plan on reading these boards anymore, but I would to wish everyone luck in their future endeavors and I am also excited to see my future classmates next year at Case Western.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on May 29, 2007, 08:32:08 PM
Couple of questions (that may be of use to others as well)

How were you informed about the admitted student's day?  I received my acceptance and scholarship letters (and e-mails) but there was no mention of the asd.  I assume it isn't just for those who have already put down their deposits, is it?

Does anyone currently attending (or who knows the area well) have suggestions for where to buy a home?  My wife has a job downtown and we would like to find a nice home (under $150k) in a safe area.  I know the area around Case is less than ideal, but does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start looking?

What about laptop usage?  I remember reading somewhere on the board that Case is very wired, but does anyone know what requirements there are for laptops?  I've got an old (4 years) laptop that runs MOST of the time  :-\ but I'll probably need to get something more dependable, especially if we take exams on them.

Thanks for any insight!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Katie08 on May 29, 2007, 10:31:17 PM
I'm not going to Case Law, but commented a little while back since I know the area well. If you send me a PM with whether or not you have/want children (schools can be a HUGE factor), and if you both plan to drive, I'd be happy to help suggest neighborhoods and suburbs
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on May 30, 2007, 06:35:43 AM
Its not an admitted students day, its an entering students day, so my guess is you have to put down a deposit to get the notice of it.  Of course I could be wrong, and if you emailed/called them they may let you come without a deposit.

The area around Case isnt ideal per se, but its not bad at all.  In fact I too am looking for a house (if I go to Case, Ill buy a house then rent out a couple rooms, which will be a win win for everyone) and if you look at Cleveland Heights you'll be fine -- zip codes 44106 (which also includes the school and which seems to have good and bad parts) or zip code 44118 (Cleveland Heights, University Heights, Shaker Heights).  If you use Realtor.com you can get a map which is very helpful.  The area I'm looking at is S Taylor Rd (or if you want to go out a little further Warrensville Center Rd) on the east, Mayfield on the North, fairmount/ the parks on the south, and the school basically on the West.  This is the area that was recommended by people in the school as well as friends/relatives I have in the Cleveland area as its a fairly young/hip place (at least as far as suburbs goes).  It would be an easy drive (or bus or in some cases walking) to the school. 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on May 31, 2007, 03:57:56 AM
Thanks.  That's very helpful.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on June 04, 2007, 11:55:41 AM
Have you guys had trouble getting ahold of anyone at Case?  I've emailed admissions (lawadmissions@case.edu) and finaid (lawmoney@case.edu) about several things (some major, some minor), but never got any response whatsoever.  Emailing Alyson Alber directly doesn't seem likely to help, as she's pretty pretentious and would likely just refer me to someone else.

My t-shirt did arrive in the mail recently - too bad it's just a tiny logo! :)

Really wish Case's communication with admits was better - the impression I've gotten was that last year it wasn't like this - there was more information available and it was more accessible.  A great case in point is how on the Friday before Monday's 8:30 parking selection opening (and parking is ~700/year, but that's another rant), we got an email saying that parking was coming up.  This was the _first_ I'd heard about this, and an email asking just generally where law students ended up parking (the map is awful, the law school is right on the line between two quadrants in the view, and you can't scroll or anything) of course went unanswered.  Ended up just picking a lot more or less randomly that looked like it might be closeish to the law school.


Oh, and ever since I was admitted, if I call on the phone - even just about simple admit weekend info -  they tell me to email.   I know they're superbusy and all that, but you would think by the beginning of June there would be some time available to at least send a quick "Can't help you" email in response to a simple question from an admitted and deposited student who intends to enroll, especially regarding financial aid matters.

Yeah, the people there were great (outside of Alber's sickeningly sweet attitude) but seriously!  I just thank god I won't have to deal with admissions once I'm there.  I know Case isn't a tippity-top-notch law school for a reason, but it seems to have a good enough reputation that I was surprised to encounter this sort of situation.  I do want to note it's not like I'm spamming them - I've sent three unanswered emails to lawadmissions and two to lawmoney.  I'm not getting bounce messages, and the emails were sent from an account that I would be HIGHLY surprised to see get flagged as spam (ie non-free mail provider).

Anyone else have thoughts/experiences/contact info to share?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: pastor of muppets on June 04, 2007, 01:14:41 PM
Yeah, I have had a tough time getting ahold of anyone.  They never answer e-mails.  Its really turning me off at this point.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on June 07, 2007, 08:09:05 AM
Yeah, still no response - yesterday I even tried to call and someone HUNG UP ON ME - when I called back, it just rang and rang and rang.  I'm ALMOST to the point where this nudges me over the edge of retaking the LSAT and waiting a year; it's just impossible to get anything done with these people, and I've talked to a few people who say that this may be more symptomatic of the university as a whole than I'd previously been led to believe.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on June 07, 2007, 08:28:22 AM
While before I was admitted I had a problem with admissions since they I haven't had any. Alyson has been completely accessible and gotten back to my emails within hours, when parking opened i called access services and they told me the best lot to pick.

Perhaps I am having a completely different experience than you, but I find it hard to believe you would get hung-up on.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on June 07, 2007, 08:29:27 AM
Yeah, still no response - yesterday I even tried to call and someone HUNG UP ON ME - when I called back, it just rang and rang and rang.  I'm ALMOST to the point where this nudges me over the edge of retaking the LSAT and waiting a year; it's just impossible to get anything done with these people, and I've talked to a few people who say that this may be more symptomatic of the university as a whole than I'd previously been led to believe.

I decided to drop off my paperwork and deposit in person a few days ago to ensure that there was no mix up.  I could tell things were pretty crazy in the office (busy I mean.)  I even said something about that to the woman who was helping me and she said "you have no idea."  I think they are just swamped/overworked and have been for a while.  I'm guessing that the dean leaving so apruptly made things pretty bad.  As I've posted before, the process was frustrating but the people in the office were always very very nice (for whatever that is worth.)

While I'm posting I thought I'd give a heads up to anyone going to the Entering Students Day tomorrow.  If you didn't receive an e-mail with a homework assignment make sure to check your bulk mail folder.  There was a document of about 30 single spaced pages that included discussion questions.  Mine was misfiltered by yahoo as junk mail and I just happend to check that folder and saw it.  Wouldn't want anyone to be unprepared unnecessarily so I thought I'd put this out there.

One other thing-does anyone know Professor Scharf?  He is giving the model class tomorrow and most of the packet was written or co-written by him.  I'm quite sympathatic to what he's saying (its about international courts of justice, in particular the ICC) but I noted flaws that I saw.  If called upon would I be better to tell him what he (presumably) wants to hear, or to play devil's advocate and challenge the material? (Hopefully this won't elicit responses from people wanting me to look like an @$$ before school even begins! ;D)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on June 07, 2007, 08:34:37 AM
One other thing-does anyone know Professor Scharf?  He is giving the model class tomorrow and most of the packet was written or co-written by him.  I'm quite sympathatic to what he's saying (its about international courts of justice, in particular the ICC) but I noted flaws that I saw.  If called upon would I be better to tell him what he (presumably) wants to hear, or to play devil's advocate and challenge the material? (Hopefully this won't elicit responses from people wanting me to look like an @$$ before school even begins! ;D)


I met him at the international day, tell him what he wants to hear. Hes the director of the international law clinic, Noble nominee, and it seems like he holds a lot of sway there. Feel him out tho, he seems like a super nice and really accessible guy. Let us know how it goes (I cant make it..) and good luck!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on June 07, 2007, 10:17:25 AM
This year they lost their Dean and this was also the year that they received more applications than any other year. I sent in my initial seat deposit, and I believe the next one isn't due until July 1st. How do you think all of this is going to affect the quality of the incoming class?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on June 07, 2007, 07:47:57 PM
While before I was admitted I had a problem with admissions since they I haven't had any. Alyson has been completely accessible and gotten back to my emails within hours, when parking opened i called access services and they told me the best lot to pick.

Perhaps I am having a completely different experience than you, but I find it hard to believe you would get hung-up on.

Oddly enough, you're having pretty much the opposite experience I am - prior to admit, I had no problems, after, nearly nothing but.  Alyson has usually told me things like "oh, I don't know" and referred me to other people for very simple questions - even while I was there.  The parking thing, I did end up in a good lot, so that's okay - I just was really miffed that they didn't even email about this until the Friday prior to 8:30 Monday morning that parking was available.  And yes, I was actually hung up on once.  I had a hard time believing it too, but since it just rang and rang and rang when I called back, I figured they just went to a meeting or something.

Their admissions dept really does need more people, it seems.  It's not just losing the dean, I think.  The people in the office are really nice when you're there in person, but it seems like there's totally different people on the phones.  I'm not of the opinion that "being superbusy" is a huge excuse in *June* to be honest, and have definitely heard enough bad things about administration at the uni as a whole to be concerned.  At this point, I'm only mildly concerned about the quality of the class being hurt by this - they'll throw $ at you if you've got the #'s, they won't if you don't, and they pretty much know how the distribution is going to end up as far as who shows up, IMO.  I do wonder if they're having to offer more scholarship money to get commitments - law school admissions are more or less a business, so that hit to the bottom line must show up somewhere, especially at a cash-strapped school like Case.

I was told that Scharf is one of the good people to get to know, but he focuses on war crimes to near exclusion of everything else.  He apparently doesn't want to hear what you have to think for the most part when it comes to that, either - there's a reason most of that model class reading is BY him.  That said, I do want to reiterate that I've been told he's nice and a good person to know - just be careful about disagreeing with him.

Do post here and let us know how it goes! I'm looking forward to meeting some actual PEOPLE in the fall. ;D
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on June 11, 2007, 12:56:33 PM
How was entering students day?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: hypergex on June 11, 2007, 02:10:52 PM
I applied in November and still have not heard anything decision from them. I should have been an auto reject. I call them every week, have been for about 6-7 weeks now, and they say I should get something within the week. There is no way I would pay the tuition they charge to a school with such a crappy communications process.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on June 11, 2007, 08:35:55 PM
How was entering students day?

I came away quite excited about Case (well, I was before, but it increased on Friday.)

They kind of went over a lot of the basics (financial aid, housing, etc.)  There was also a model class which I really enjoyed.  He gave a spiel at the start about gunners and how you should only talk about once every other class.  I then found my hand going up repeatedly despite my best efforts to keep it down ::).  I don't see myself as a gunner type (too laid back I hope) so I'm chalking it up to excitement to be going to law school combined with being used to talking a lot in class (most of my graduate courses were seminars where lots of talking was encouraged, and I also taught college for about 7 years before embarking on this.)  The class was quite interesting, although not the sort of thing that will be handled in most 1L classes which seem like they will be much drier.

Lunch was good because they had a professor at each table to talk things over.  Unfortnately I don't remember the names, but the one who was at my table was very nice and answered questions graciously and really seemed to enjoy the process.  He had to leave early and another professor came over a few minutes later and chatted and was equally friendly and informative.

The students that I interacted with were all quite friendly as well.  I was even bit late for the after lunch housing talk because I got caught up talking.  Thought that was a good sign.  Plus, several people were not only dog people, but had labs (I'm a big dog person and have a yellow lab, so this was cool for me, although really not germaine to the topic at hand!)

My wife and I are planning on buying a home so the housing fair was of little interest so I went to look aroud the library.  I ended up getting a tour (that a few others went on as well.)  I was impressed with the library.  I'm also kind of obsessed (to use my wife's assesment) with the Supreme Court so I was kind of awestruck by a framed photo of all of the Justices at JFK's funeral procession that was then signed by all of them and accompanied by letters from Justices Douglas and Harlan (a Case alumni had sent them the photo and received the letters-he was the one who donated the signed print to the library as well as the letters.)

They gave a trolly tour of Cleveland but I didn't go on it.  I did take the tour of the school which was worthwhile and also a chance to ask question of a 2L.

The one negative was that I didn't get nearly as friendly a feeling from the current students that were not working the event (just walking the halls or in the library.)  Maybe it is because it is summer and they are bitter to be there then, or they are antisocial and were in the library because they had nothing else to do, or maybe the place sucks the life out of you!  Anyway, its probably nothing and overall I got a very positive feeling.

Hope that helps and wasn't too ideosyncratic.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on June 12, 2007, 09:07:33 PM
Thanks for the review Kipford. I am still debating whether to live within walking distance of the law school or whether to drive to school everyday from the shaker heights area. After visiting Case a couple days ago, I too became much more excited than I was before. What kind of questions did the entering students ask the current students? What was current students' overall opinion of their experience? Do you think there are any seats left because it seems like there are still so many people who haven't heard anything?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on June 13, 2007, 04:02:43 AM
Thanks for the review Kipford. I am still debating whether to live within walking distance of the law school or whether to drive to school everyday from the shaker heights area. After visiting Case a couple days ago, I too became much more excited than I was before. What kind of questions did the entering students ask the current students? What was current students' overall opinion of their experience? Do you think there are any seats left because it seems like there are still so many people who haven't heard anything?

Well, there wasn't much opportunity to ask basic questions of current students-the only forum for questions was the housing talk.  It seems like a lot of people do walk from nearby apartments.  There was some focus on saftey and the gist was that if you stay away from certain areas you should be fine.

I would have liked there to have been a forum for asking any and all questions to current students.  I tried to get a sense of the workload and was told that you should treat it like a full time job.  I know its all very particular to the individual (like how fast you read, digest, etc.) but its hard to really get a sense of how much time we'll be putting in.  Everyone complains about how busy it is, but if its a 40 hour week that seems like nothing to complain about.  My brother went to law school in upstate New York and he said he put in less than 30 hours/week but he wasn't striving for law review and I think was just as happier doing OK and having his free time than excelling.

Overall the existing students seemed to enjoy Case, although I'm sure they are not necessarily a truly representative sample since I think they are all scholarship students (I know on mine it said I would have this kind of responsibility.)  Not saying it isn't the general feeling, just that they were not randomly selected.

Before Friday I would have figured there were still plenty of seats open since I was just admitted shortly before the event.  I suspect there are still SOME openings but things were really packed on Friday.  For the official events they seperated admitted students from their guests because of space limitations (the guests went to another room and were able to watch on closed circuit TV.)  That indicated to me that the class might be pretty full (if I read the program correctly the room we were in held 159 students and obviously not everyone that is addending made it to the event.)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on June 13, 2007, 05:45:05 AM
I received information in the mail from the triangle, park lane villas, and the waldorf among others and I was wondering if these locations were safe. It is crazy how the class is pretty much full, yet so many people haven't heard from them. Thanks again for the advice kipford. I'm just trying to figure out if the area around the school is alright so stay in.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on June 13, 2007, 06:38:19 AM
I received information in the mail from the triangle, park lane villas, and the waldorf among others and I was wondering if these locations were safe. It is crazy how the class is pretty much full, yet so many people haven't heard from them. Thanks again for the advice kipford. I'm just trying to figure out if the area around the school is alright so stay in.

From what i've seen and heard the Triangle area, while close, gets kinda shady after dark..
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on June 13, 2007, 08:36:50 AM
I received information in the mail from the triangle, park lane villas, and the waldorf among others and I was wondering if these locations were safe. It is crazy how the class is pretty much full, yet so many people haven't heard from them. Thanks again for the advice kipford. I'm just trying to figure out if the area around the school is alright so stay in.

I don't know the area all that well, but here are a few thoughts:

We looked in both Cleveland Heights and University Heights.  University Heights seemed much nicer/safer.  That said things change quickly.  My friend went to Case about 10 years ago (for social work) and he said that the street he lived on (I think it was Mayfair or Mayfield?) was fine on his side, but that you would be in trouble if you were on the other side at night.

Maybe there are current students on this board that can give very specific information?

Regarding the class size-I just looked in my US News book and they have the class size as 667 (from a few years ago) so 159 or whatever on Friday would still be a small percentage.  That said, since they were holding it in that room (presumably pre-planned) and it was full we can probably reasonably extrapolate that they have a good portion of the class filled.  You know that, and the fact that most non waitlist decisions were due about 1.5-2 months ago!  Obviously Case is behind this (my numbers were pretty good for Case (160/3.67) and I pushed the issue by calling about once a week, and even then I didn't hear until a few weeks ago) so there are bound to be some spots still open.

I would think maybe a lot of the pending cases are either people who told Case they were not interested anymore (so they haven't bothered to take direct action yet,) borderline cases that they are holding onto rather than putting on a waitlist, or (assuming we are referencing lsn) people who heard late in the cycle after they were done updating their info.  FWIW, previous years' data from Case also have a lot of pending applicants which would tend to lead me to the third option as the most common.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on June 15, 2007, 04:27:41 PM
Yeah I am just going to have to be alert when I am walking home from the library late at night. The area around campus is no different than any other urban environment I guess. A bunch of my relatives just moved out to Cleveland so I will most likely be living there after graduation (although I guess that could change in three years). I am leaning toward getting a place  near Shaker Square and commuting to school. There is a bus that stops close to many of the buildings I was looking at in the Shaker Heights area.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on June 15, 2007, 05:04:12 PM
Yeah I am just going to have to be alert when I am walking home from the library late at night. The area around campus is no different than any other urban environment I guess. A bunch of my relatives just moved out to Cleveland so I will most likely be living there after graduation (although I guess that could change in three years). I am leaning toward getting a place  near Shaker Square and commuting to school. There is a bus that stops close to many of the buildings I was looking at in the Shaker Heights area.

We looked at a place (to buy) in Shaker Heights and didn't love it.  It seems very hit or miss (nice one block, not so much the next.)  Like I said in an earlier message though, at the Admitted Students Day people said as long as you avoid certain roads you should be fine (not sure how far they were talking about.)  Also, I'm pretty sure that the professor who I ate lunch with said he lives in (or at least near) Shaker Square, so that is probably a good sign.

On another topic, I just became eligible for parking (I can sign up tomorrow morning.)  What are  you all doing (those who bought it?)  It looks like 52B is the best lot followed by S-29.  Does anyone know of any problems with either (like that they fill up and you can't find a spot even though you bought the permit?)  I also thought about getting the lot that is "remote" (35) if there was good bussing between areas of campus to save some money, but maybe that is stupid?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on June 15, 2007, 05:54:49 PM
Yeah I am just going to have to be alert when I am walking home from the library late at night. The area around campus is no different than any other urban environment I guess. A bunch of my relatives just moved out to Cleveland so I will most likely be living there after graduation (although I guess that could change in three years). I am leaning toward getting a place  near Shaker Square and commuting to school. There is a bus that stops close to many of the buildings I was looking at in the Shaker Heights area.

We looked at a place (to buy) in Shaker Heights and didn't love it.  It seems very hit or miss (nice one block, not so much the next.)  Like I said in an earlier message though, at the Admitted Students Day people said as long as you avoid certain roads you should be fine (not sure how far they were talking about.)  Also, I'm pretty sure that the professor who I ate lunch with said he lives in (or at least near) Shaker Square, so that is probably a good sign.

On another topic, I just became eligible for parking (I can sign up tomorrow morning.)  What are  you all doing (those who bought it?)  It looks like 52B is the best lot followed by S-29.  Does anyone know of any problems with either (like that they fill up and you can't find a spot even though you bought the permit?)  I also thought about getting the lot that is "remote" (35) if there was good bussing between areas of campus to save some money, but maybe that is stupid?

Good luck, I was able to get parking about 2 weeks ago and the best I could get was 46. I know that 29 and 52 are both filled up. 29 had a waiting list of 36...
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on June 15, 2007, 06:19:39 PM
I got a space in 52, but I signed up for it on the first day you could. On another note, do you guys plan on working in Cleveland after you graduate?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on June 15, 2007, 07:56:30 PM
I got a space in 52, but I signed up for it on the first day you could. On another note, do you guys plan on working in Cleveland after you graduate?

I had a feeling parking would be a problem.  I was admitted three weeks ago and just got the e-mail today giving me the parking info/code.  Maybe I'll end up taking the bus.  Anyone know if it is safe taking if from University Heights (like if I'm carrying a laptop?)

My plan is to practice in Cleveland at least for several years.  I'm not from here originally (upstate NY) but have been in Northeast Ohio for over a decade and love it.  Since we are going to buy a house there is a strong incentive to stay.  Plus, as I understand it the market is strong-I mean the overall economy is less than stellar, but its still a major legal hub yet people from other cities don't want to move here, so getting a good job should be easier than in other locations.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on June 16, 2007, 11:31:43 AM
Spots are still available as of this writing in 54, which is about a block away.  It also looks like 29 has spots in both of its "lots" though they have the same #. 33 is also available, which is apparently kind of in-between buildings and I think has a driveway to it from Euclid Ave.  54 is on Ford, and 29 I'm not 100% sure where the entrances are.

Those who got in 52, did you get 52A or 52B?  52B looks like it's almost across the street, while 52A looks about a block-ish off?  52B is pretty much the ideal lot.  Or is there a 52 that I just don't see? 

Then again, at about 700 bucks per academic year for parking, maybe riding the bus/rapid isn't such a bad idea after all.  I'm definitely exploring the idea of going Shaker Square - 55th St - campus.  Even if you pay the full 58/mo for 8 months and get weekly passes for the bits in Aug/May, it still comes out cheaper, and you can sometimes get an undergraduate U-Pass under the table for $50 to use for free, from what I've heard.


Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: newguy11 on June 16, 2007, 12:29:15 PM
Hi guys, I am new to posting on this board, but I have been lurking for quite a while. I posted another topic on this, but I am originally from Ohio and I am debating whether to go to Case with a nice scholarship or go to UW-Madison paying full price. I eventually want to practice in Ohio, preferably Cleveland so it seems like going to Case would be the logical choice, but Madison is ranked 15-20 spots higher. It would be great to hear thoughts from future Case students. Does anyone know what class rank I would need to work for a big law firm in Cleveland if I went to Case? Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on June 17, 2007, 08:59:46 AM
Yeah I am just going to have to be alert when I am walking home from the library late at night. The area around campus is no different than any other urban environment I guess. A bunch of my relatives just moved out to Cleveland so I will most likely be living there after graduation (although I guess that could change in three years). I am leaning toward getting a place  near Shaker Square and commuting to school. There is a bus that stops close to many of the buildings I was looking at in the Shaker Heights area.

Be very careful, my friend.  I've lived in Cleveland for three years now, and know personally three people who've been mugged/assaulted/etc. near the parking garage at the intersection of Mayfield and Euclid.  One violent assault a year on people I know (and I don't know any thugs, so keep your LSAT thoughts to yourself, smartass :P) is not a good number.  One of my friends was robbed at gunpoint, then coldcocked once he'd handed over his money.  Another had her car stolen.  While she was in it.  In broad daylight.

So just be careful.  Avoid dark if possible.  Carrying a garrote would probably be better :P
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on June 17, 2007, 09:02:35 AM

I had a feeling parking would be a problem.  I was admitted three weeks ago and just got the e-mail today giving me the parking info/code.  Maybe I'll end up taking the bus.  Anyone know if it is safe taking if from University Heights (like if I'm carrying a laptop?)

My plan is to practice in Cleveland at least for several years.  I'm not from here originally (upstate NY) but have been in Northeast Ohio for over a decade and love it.  Since we are going to buy a house there is a strong incentive to stay.  Plus, as I understand it the market is strong-I mean the overall economy is less than stellar, but its still a major legal hub yet people from other cities don't want to move here, so getting a good job should be easier than in other locations.

You got it.  The economy in Cleveland is the worst in the entire nation, and has been for three years running (Detroit almost beat us last year, but no, turns out we're the winners.  Or losers, depending on how you look at it.).  BUT, Cleveland has always had a strong legal market, for whatever reason.  Maybe the faltering business and high crime rates help.

Anyway, we have a house here, too, and while we'd like to move on after LS, I'm not opposed to working in Cleveland for a few years to gain some experience.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: john jacob on June 17, 2007, 09:18:41 AM
yeah, I'm wondering why is the area surrounding Case Western, which is a pretty nice campus, such a crappy neighborhood? Ack, usually proximity to a campus like Case Western should result in a net increase in property values...
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on June 17, 2007, 09:45:09 AM
In regard to the post about Cleveland BIGLAW, top 1/3 will prob have biglaw opportunities IN Cleveland. To get Biglaw elsewhere you will have to finish higher than top third. The area around Case isn't the greatest, but I spoke with a former police officer and he said during the day there should be no problem. However at night you need to be alert at all times because there are muggings and assaults as Kleinpau pointed out. The school is making an effort to clean up the surrounding area and they are trying to expand the campus west as well. The interesection of Mayfield and Euclid is around the triangle apartments right? That area did look a little shady and it almost makes me think that driving to school would be safer.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on June 17, 2007, 10:37:50 AM
congratulations to those of you who got in. i'm a rising 2L (for those who are still adjusting to law school jargon, that means i finished first year but have not yet begun second year) at case and i'm very happy with my choice. i can answer questions on some subjects but not others. e.g. i can't answer parking questions because i walk to campus, and i only have a vague sense about biglaw job opportunities.

a word about the admissions situation: the experiences that i'm reading about here are probably atypical. i can't say for sure because i was admitted in march and didn't have much contact with case before admission, but i suspect, and i've heard from a friend who's on the admissions committee, that admissions may be in a bit of disarray because of a number of staff leaving and the others taking on their responsibilities. ms. alber, for example, is ordinarily a career services person, and i don't think she had anything to do with admissions last year. some people here grumble about the administrative staff, but in my experience it's quite good - better than the administration at previous universities where i've studied.

feel free to shoot me questions and i'll do my best to answer. looking forward to meeting y'all.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on June 18, 2007, 07:32:19 AM
yeah, I'm wondering why is the area surrounding Case Western, which is a pretty nice campus, such a crappy neighborhood? Ack, usually proximity to a campus like Case Western should result in a net increase in property values...

There is...kinda.  Like Kipford, I am looking to buy and I can tell you that in Cleveland heights, and to a lesser extent Shaker heights as its farther out, (which are directly southeast), the closer you get to the school/hospital the nicer and more expensive the houses/neighborhoods.  (I was also a bit surprised to see how one street could be completely different than the one next to it.)  However, the other 3 directions around the school are less than great, but if you exercise a normal amount of caution you'll most likely be fine.  You just have to remember Cleveland is a fairly big city, and as such sometimes stuff will happen.  Whether you think so or not, students are a great target as they do usually have some money, but they definitely will have an ipod or computer with them, which is a guaranteed few bucks. 

Kipford - As I mentioned in an earlier post, Cleveland heights or shaker heights is the place to be -- the professor at my table lived used to live there, but moved to a nice place with land a little ways out when his kids moved out.  Also, when i was driving around, even the "lesser" streets struck me as solid middle class, with many falling in the upper middle class as not to many people can afford those big old houses, and thus tend to be fairly safe and a great "family" place.  Now I know thats a real superficial opinion, but in my basic research on the safety of those neighborhoods it seems to be an accurate portrayal.  Additionally, the people I do know from the Cleveland area all know the Shaker heights/Cleveland Heights to be one of the areas where people who have "made it" move to.

Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on June 18, 2007, 08:25:26 AM
yeah, I'm wondering why is the area surrounding Case Western, which is a pretty nice campus, such a crappy neighborhood? Ack, usually proximity to a campus like Case Western should result in a net increase in property values...

Kipford - As I mentioned in an earlier post, Cleveland heights or shaker heights is the place to be -- the professor at my table lived used to live there, but moved to a nice place with land a little ways out when his kids moved out.  Also, when i was driving around, even the "lesser" streets struck me as solid middle class, with many falling in the upper middle class as not to many people can afford those big old houses, and thus tend to be fairly safe and a great "family" place.  Now I know thats a real superficial opinion, but in my basic research on the safety of those neighborhoods it seems to be an accurate portrayal.  Additionally, the people I do know from the Cleveland area all know the Shaker heights/Cleveland Heights to be one of the areas where people who have "made it" move to.



We looked at a few places in Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights but found University Heights to be much more attractive.  I was actually kind of shocked by how much house you could get for the price and in areas that certainly seemed clean/safe.  We were looking right around John Caroll and I guess there is sometimes trouble with students but its just noise from parties.  The agent we are working with said she won't sell to to parents looking to buy a house for their kids during college-she lives in the area and knows how they can be a pain (I don't know if this is legal but its what she said!)  If that's the worst of it I'm not too worried!

I've got a car so the fact that its out of walking distance is not a problem.  Did you hear anything negative about University Heights as opposed to Cleveland/Shaker Heights?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on June 18, 2007, 08:58:39 AM
We looked at a few places in Cleveland Heights and Shaker Heights but found University Heights to be much more attractive.  I was actually kind of shocked by how much house you could get for the price and in areas that certainly seemed clean/safe.  We were looking right around John Caroll and I guess there is sometimes trouble with students but its just noise from parties.  The agent we are working with said she won't sell to to parents looking to buy a house for their kids during college-she lives in the area and knows how they can be a pain (I don't know if this is legal but its what she said!)  If that's the worst of it I'm not too worried!

I've got a car so the fact that its out of walking distance is not a problem.  Did you hear anything negative about University Heights as opposed to Cleveland/Shaker Heights?

I haven't heard anything negative about University Heights (and it definitely looked nice as I did drive through it), its just farther than I want to be so i havent been soliciting   advice on the area.  Although maybe I should as part of University Heights does butt up to the area of CH/SH that I've been looking at.  I too have a car and have no problem driving to school (to be honest unless you live across the street most will be driving the majority of the year as its too cold to walk) but being a single guy, I wanted to be closer to the cedar-lee and Coventry areas; to me University Heights, and admittedly many parts of Shaker Heights, seemed to be a little too "suburban" for me. 

Also how did you find your real estate agent?  I'm not about to just wing it out of the phone book.  The only way I could think of was giving the school a call and see if anyone there recommends someone.  Feel free to PM me if you dont feel like giving out the info online. 

Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on June 22, 2007, 08:12:42 AM
Kipford--There's nothing bad about University Heights.  I've lived in a house in Cleveland Heights, only a mile or so away from University H., and everything is comparable.  We pay 800/month for our three-bedroom house, so yeah, it's damned affordable :)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: What_Now? on June 22, 2007, 08:14:18 AM
Pops--check out Realty One on Shaker and Warrensville.  When we were looking for a house, we'd set up an appt with Century 21, and weren't happy with them.  We strolled into Realty One on a whim, loved our agent, and found our house.  They're good people over there.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: ebirt07 on June 26, 2007, 11:39:05 AM
Has anybody heard anything about living in Little Italy?  I found a pretty large 2 BR for very little rent, and it's got a nice balcony overlooking Murray Hill. It seemed safe enough, and is only a 10-15 minute walk.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on June 26, 2007, 04:32:02 PM
little italy's where i live, and it's great. i can only think of a couple of drawbacks:

1. the houses are a little on the old side. they *may* have leaks, mice, stupid layout and other problems associated with old houses.

2. you're not very far from the aboveground train. but not as close as i am, and it hasn't been a problem for me.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 02, 2007, 12:47:25 PM
Hey guys,

I am pretty set on getting a new laptop for school. Does anyone know if Case offers discounts on certain brands? Is there a certain procedure one would have to follow to get these discounts? TIA.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 02, 2007, 03:56:01 PM
you can buy new dells at a discount, but you have to wait until you're set up with a student ID, if i remember correctly, and that may not be until august. when i bought a dell laptop, it turned out to be several hundred dollars cheaper to buy it refurbished online at dell's site than new through case. of course, it started breaking down within about 3 months of purchase, which may not have happened with a new computer.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 02, 2007, 05:47:42 PM
Thanks xrhombot. So Dell is the only brand that they offer? I have never had a dell, but I have been happy with my sony. I know most people would agree that having a laptop is necessary for law school. I just don't know whether I should take them up on their offer with the discounted Dells. Would it be alright if I PMed you?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 02, 2007, 05:55:24 PM
Thanks xrhombot. So Dell is the only brand that they offer? I have never had a dell, but I have been happy with my sony. I know most people would agree that having a laptop is necessary for law school. I just don't know whether I should take them up on their offer with the discounted Dells. Would it be alright if I PMed you?

i think dell is the only brand. go ahead and PM me.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on July 08, 2007, 06:39:56 AM
Re: Dell:  You can almost certainly find a better laptop deal simply by checking http://www.gotapex.com on a regular basis.  They list Dell deals first, and have laptop deals pretty darn regularly. Try to purchase from the Small Business side, as the Home side can sometimes use slightly inferior parts and definitely has worse service, should you need to use it.

Your best bet is probably going to be an Inspiron 6400 or similar (home version 1520, which has some cool features honestly that the 6400 doesn't yet), with 2gb of RAM.  Just wait for the deals, and they will come... 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Floyd77803 on July 09, 2007, 07:40:21 AM
Has anybody heard anything about the student health insurance that CASE requires you to get?  I'm wondering about the type of plan, deductibles, expenditure limits, etc.  Hopefully it is a better plan than the ABA law student offering.  Thanks 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on July 09, 2007, 10:26:24 AM
http://gss.case.edu/news_healthcare.html

At that location you can find the 2006-2007 plans, which should give you some ideas.  It seems quite likely that for 2007-2008, cost will have gone up and coverage decreased.

Case's plan, costing $1100 (550/term):
Generally, this coverage seems marginal.  You  can go to University Health Services free if you just need a prescription for a flu-like illness or something -- but you can do that WITHOUT the school insurance, also for free.

Office visits elsewhere incur $20 copay, AND you have to pay 20% of anything left over.  $30 for Urgent Care and $50 ER, again with the student paying 20% of whatever's left.

The out of pocket max is 5,000, and copays don't accrue towards that.

The prescription coverage actually isn't bad.  It's 15/30 generic/brand, but 20% of non-formulary with $50 minimum.  The interesting thing is the $5 coverage for things like Prilosec OTC, Claritin OTC,

Dental gets you two checkups & cleanings a year at no cost, periodic x-rays and emergency pain relief at no cost.  20% discount only on all other services -- and you HAVE to go to the Case School of Dental Medicine for all of this.


The other plan has a $200 deductible, and costs about 1200.
Deductible is waived if treated at the Student Health Center.  This plan is generally 80/20, but with many more exclusions and nitty-gritty maxes on specific things than the Case plan; thus, it does not seem like a viable option.

Coverage for other family members is available on both of these; however, it's quite expensive.  If you need to insure family members and do not have insurance available through spouse's work, it would seem advisable to investigate private insurance plans, since the cost rises very fast - off the top of my head, I believe it's something like 2500 to add a spouse and another 2000 to add kids, for a family coverage cost of something like 6-7k - and this is just for the school year!

Don't count on getting any reliable and/or timely information out of Case's admissions office about this, unless you're going to be there in person.  Just try to plan the best you can based on the old info, and see what happens, I guess.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Floyd77803 on July 09, 2007, 06:22:53 PM
myself- Thanks for the info; that was everything I was looking for
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on July 17, 2007, 02:10:40 PM
Anyone have any info on classes/books from any rising 2L's or from a visit?  I'd like to get them online and avoid the money sink that calls itself the campus bookstore.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 17, 2007, 08:41:31 PM
your books will depend on which section you're assigned to.

IM me when you get your assignment. i may have 1 or 2 of your 1st semester book, especially if you're in the barristers section.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: jhertzo on July 18, 2007, 11:15:04 AM
did anyone find on the website somewhere that lists all possible 1L sections, classes, or professors (or does anyone already at case have any idea)?  I would just like to try & be able to have some clue of what my sched. may be before august. Thanks.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 18, 2007, 04:07:31 PM
did anyone find on the website somewhere that lists all possible 1L sections, classes, or professors (or does anyone already at case have any idea)?  I would just like to try & be able to have some clue of what my sched. may be before august. Thanks.

the best i can tell you is about my barristers experience last year.

times are approximate, and based on my faulty memory; i don't think schedules are consistent anyway from year to year.


1st semester
contracts: austin (M T W Th 8:20 - 9:15)
crim: mcmunigal (M T W Th 9:25 - 10:20)
torts: strassfeld (M T Th 2:50 - 4:20)
core: gordon & mercer (section split in 4; various meeting times)

2nd semester
conlaw: durschlag (M W Th F 9:25 - 10:20)
property: chisolm (T W Th 10:30 - 11:55)
elective: various (M W 1:15 - 2:40)
civ pro: hill (M T W 2:50 - 4:20)
core: gordon & mercer

Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 18, 2007, 06:55:52 PM
not a lot of classes on friday?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: jhertzo on July 18, 2007, 07:27:14 PM
thanks for posting your sched. how did you feel your first year was, how were those professors? thanks! ;)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 19, 2007, 06:56:32 PM
not a lot of classes on friday?

the other 2 sections had more friday classes. but it's generally a less busy day than the others.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 19, 2007, 07:01:39 PM
thanks for posting your sched. how did you feel your first year was, how were those professors? thanks! ;)

i enjoyed the 1st year, but i think some students went through the hell that i endured in the first year of grad school.

i don't want to badmouth any particular professors, so i'll just say the following: overall, they're quite good. there was only one who i thought was a poor teacher, and many students liked the prof who i couldn't stand. mcmunigal, hill and gordon are considered outstanding professors.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 19, 2007, 07:36:14 PM
do people ever go out? or have time to hang out? if so, how much?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 20, 2007, 04:07:16 AM
do people ever go out? or have time to hang out? if so, how much?

yeah, people usually go out on weekends, which include thursdays. thursday is usually the main night for going out - the student bar association picks a bar and people go there. i'd say i went out 1-2 nights in a typical week. could've done more but that's about my social limit.
Title: Summer Problems with Administration a Warning Flag?
Post by: Uneasy1L on July 23, 2007, 09:25:40 AM
Anyone else not hear anything about Financial Aid yet?  This process of getting to Case in the fall will have been one of the most stressful experiences in my life.  I still haven't withdrawn from another school because I'm afraid something is going to fall through.  We can't order our computer from Dell until we get our CaseID, which still hasn't come, I wasn't able to get into the parking system for a parking pass until last week (and was never notified by the school that the problem had been fixed-I just kept trying to login every day), every mailing (very few) I've gotten from the school has included information on events with dates that had already passed (I was never notified about entering students day), and although I was notified in late June (after sending an e-mail about it on June 5th) that my financial aid information was complete, I still haven't heard any information about funds.  Do they not want my $35k?  Because this is all starting to feel like too much of a headache!  Anyone else having problems?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Floyd77803 on July 23, 2007, 11:28:50 AM
I'm actually a 2L transfer student, but I assume the financial aid procedures are similar for incoming students.  I have already applied for my loans through my lender and they are awaiting approval from CASE.  I e-mailed them last week to ask about the status and they replied that the financial aid applications had just been completed and they would be mailing out information to students this week.  Hopefully we can expect something in the mail shortly.  I agree it is a bit scary to be uncertain of the status of your loans, but once the school approves them it goes pretty smoothly. 
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 23, 2007, 02:29:09 PM
what school did you transfer from? and why did you choose case?
Title: Re: Summer Problems with Administration a Warning Flag?
Post by: ebirt07 on July 23, 2007, 05:51:45 PM
We can't order our computer from Dell until we get our CaseID, which still hasn't come

Yeah you can.  Go to the ID website, put in your SSN and name, and, presto! Case ID.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on July 23, 2007, 07:04:12 PM
I wouldnt worry about not getting your financial aid stuff as I most havent got their financial aid info packets although they were mailed out last week according to the financial aid director who I had to talk to about my "fafsa review."  Honestly though, its not a huge deal as they wont put your stuff in until the first day of orientation and as such you wont get any money until mid-september.  While that blows, it is standard operating procedure for schools, or at least has been the case for my other friends in law school which totals 7 diff schools.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on July 24, 2007, 07:23:47 AM
Just to make sure everyone's aware: you can often get a better deal at Dell by watching sites like www.gotapex.com for a deal - Dell is at the top pretty much every day.  Case's "bundles" SUCK price-wise, too.  You're better off getting a PC through the normal deals, formatting the hard drive to get rid of their junk software, then ordering OEM/student Office and Vista Ultimate from Newegg.com or some other trustworthy site. Save money and time...

Also, I remember seeing somewhere that loan proceeds are issued on September 24.  This is borne out by the timetable on page 3 of this PDF: http://law.case.edu/admissions/pdfs/FABOOK.pdf

which says:
By September 25
Loan funds for fall living expenses issued to students

Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Uneasy1L on July 24, 2007, 10:51:51 AM

We can't order our computer from Dell until we get our CaseID, which still hasn't come

Yeah you can.  Go to the ID website, put in your SSN and name, and, presto! Case ID.

Yes, it would've been nice if any of the people I called and talked to for over an hour 2 weeks ago could tell me this.  I got transferred from place to place, inluding the tech help desk, and NO ONE could come up with that answer.  They told me it would go out with the information packet in a few weeks.

I wouldnt worry about not getting your financial aid stuff as I most havent got their financial aid info packets although they were mailed out last week according to the financial aid director who I had to talk to about my "fafsa review."  Honestly though, its not a huge deal as they wont put your stuff in until the first day of orientation and as such you wont get any money until mid-september.  While that blows, it is standard operating procedure for schools, or at least has been the case for my other friends in law school which totals 7 diff schools.

Yes, and I think all that blows, too. I had my seat deposits in at 2 other schools before I heard a peep from Case, and both of those large schools disbursed loan funds into the students accounts before the official beginning of the school year.  Its not like they're giving me money; it's just a loan! And it's not even their money they're lending!

I'm glad everyone else seems at peace with the process, but I'm doing EVERYTHING COMPLETELY off loans for the next 3 years. I quit my job, I'm moving out of my apartment a 6 hr drive away to a new state and city where I know no one, without any financial reserves or help from anyone else financially.  My fault, my problem, I know; I just can't believe I'm the only one in this situation, and the only one who's a little stressed making plans without being able to sign a piece of paper that says "all the money will (eventually) be there".
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on July 24, 2007, 11:33:23 PM
Just to make sure everyone's aware: you can often get a better deal at Dell by watching sites like www.gotapex.com for a deal - Dell is at the top pretty much every day.  Case's "bundles" SUCK price-wise, too.  You're better off getting a PC through the normal deals, formatting the hard drive to get rid of their junk software, then ordering OEM/student Office and Vista Ultimate from Newegg.com or some other trustworthy site. Save money and time...

Also, I remember seeing somewhere that loan proceeds are issued on September 24.  This is borne out by the timetable on page 3 of this PDF: http://law.case.edu/admissions/pdfs/FABOOK.pdf

which says:
By September 25
Loan funds for fall living expenses issued to students



Once you get your case ID you can download office 07 enterprise and vista ultimate for free via the VPN you have to use.

HTH
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on July 25, 2007, 01:46:18 PM
Doh, yeah, that's right, they have that on Software Center.  I'm used to doing all that for myself, since I run an IT shop on the side and don't want to get caught up in too many different licenses floating around.  Plus, having a resalable copy of an OS can come in handy at times in some situations ^^;

But yeah, definitely go for the Inspiron laptops listed on deal sites like www.gotapex.com - no, I don't have anything to do with them, they just stay ON TOP of Dell deals.  You WILL save $$$ over the "case packages" even with the supposed discount from EPP.  Better to get a good deal from Dell Small Business and be in a situation where you paid a lot less - and then, if you want to, you can upgrade later to a SECOND laptop for not much more cash than you'd pay for one of the "Case Bundles."

I'm really worried about making it to September 24 - I wish Case were one of those schools that didn't wait an age and a half to disburse!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 25, 2007, 09:00:17 PM
does anyone know if there is a place to eat in the law school building?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on July 26, 2007, 06:04:12 AM
does anyone know if there is a place to eat in the law school building?

Yeah, there's a vegetarian place in the student center area.  At the admitted students day (if you were there) it was where they had all the stuff set up for housing (rental) places (if memory serves.)  I want to say that it is near where the student organizations (Law Reveiw, etc.) are, but I'm not sure I'm remembering correctly.

I'm a vegetarian, so I thought it looked great, but I don't think non-vegetarians would be put off by it (I've never eaten a sprout sandwich or anything similar!)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 26, 2007, 06:42:17 AM
haha thanks. does anyone know when we get our books? i noticed we have some homework for introduction week.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: TrashCat on July 26, 2007, 12:40:30 PM
haha thanks. does anyone know when we get our books? i noticed we have some homework for introduction week.

I think during the 15-17 orientation we get split into sections and you will be assigned your classes/books then, im guessing thats the best time to get them.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Floyd77803 on July 27, 2007, 08:45:39 AM
Does anybody know anything about the reliability/safety of the RTA buses?  Since i'm still on the waiting list for a parking pass they seem to be a good option.  From what I've read, undergrads automatically get a pass for unlimited rides and are charged $25 on their student accounts.  Is there any way for graduate students to get this pass?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 27, 2007, 10:18:20 AM
Does anybody know anything about the reliability/safety of the RTA buses?  Since i'm still on the waiting list for a parking pass they seem to be a good option.  From what I've read, undergrads automatically get a pass for unlimited rides and are charged $25 on their student accounts.  Is there any way for graduate students to get this pass?

i don't think grad students are eligible.

i've never had safety or reliability issues with the RTA. but some buses are just infrequent.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on July 27, 2007, 11:48:05 AM
Grad students are ineligible for the U-Pass, though I think grad student gov't is trying to work something out with RTA.  RTA isn't very inclined to do it, though, from what I hear - they know grad students are MUCH more likely to use it, and use it extensively, than undergrads.  Something like 1/4 of undergrad passes don't even get picked up, I think.

As a consequence of this, if you post something on the classifieds on Case Forum about it, sometimes you can buy one off an undergrad for some cash.  You want to use a Hotmail account and post anonymously.  They do have pictures, so you need to post something like "Wanted: U-pass for white caucasian male" or something like that.  Once in a very great while, some driver who's having a bad day might ask to actually compare your ID with the pass, but again, that's very rare.  In that situation, you can either just pay the 1.50 or whatnot, or make up some story about using a friend's, etc. 

Even if that happened once or twice a week, you still come out WAY ahead.  Parking is like 600-700, a monthly RTA pass is like 58 (times 8 full months plus 2 weeks on either end) so about 500ish.  The U-Pass, even if you pay 50 bucks for it, then 6 bucks a month in "oops" fees, is way cheaper.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on July 27, 2007, 04:15:41 PM
Here's a head's up on financial aid:  If you go to http://laworientation.case.edu you can sign up for your Case ID (there is a yellow flier about this in the big packet that came from the Admission Dept. this week.)

Once you have that you can go to your briefCase (a name too cute by half if you ask me!) I found this hard to find so here is a direct link to the sign in page:  http://finaid.case.edu/CWRUfas.aspx?Menu

From there it should be easy to see (and accept) your financial aid award.

Be careful though-mine did not include my scholarship award so if you are going to accept it right away make sure it has everything correct.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mt on July 28, 2007, 05:54:53 AM
Hey, Kipford thanks for those links.  I'm an incoming 1L and new to the loan process.  Looking at my financial aid including my scholarships and federal standford loans on the case website, do I have to get a lender to receive those, or can I just accept the aid on the website and it will be disbursed out to me by case?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on July 28, 2007, 10:26:44 AM
Hey, Kipford thanks for those links.  I'm an incoming 1L and new to the loan process.  Looking at my financial aid including my scholarships and federal standford loans on the case website, do I have to get a lender to receive those, or can I just accept the aid on the website and it will be disbursed out to me by case?

I'm not sure yet.  I need to read through the material that financial aid sent through the mail.  There was stuff in there about choosing a lender.  I'll probably do that tomorrow so if nobody replies before then I'll post what I find out.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mikey22 on July 28, 2007, 10:32:57 AM
what is everyones impression of the employment prospects from case?
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: myself on July 28, 2007, 01:52:14 PM
Depends on what you're shooting for.  If you want biglaw, you need to be at the top, while I think on another board, a Case 2L was saying the top half would be "alright" and the bottom half can find it tough going. 

Case apparently does at least one kinda sleazy thing: according to that student, they'll employ people for like 2 weeks in the summer for "research" or something like that, if they don't have another job lined up, solely for the purpose of padding their employment stats.

That should probably be a bit of a red flag in and of itself, but from what I've heard, if you do well, you can probably find SOME kind of employment in the legal field.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: Pops on July 29, 2007, 08:04:19 AM
Case apparently does at least one kinda sleazy thing: according to that student, they'll employ people for like 2 weeks in the summer for "research" or something like that, if they don't have another job lined up, solely for the purpose of padding their employment stats.

That should probably be a bit of a red flag in and of itself, but from what I've heard, if you do well, you can probably find SOME kind of employment in the legal field.

This is a very common thing, even at more prestigious schools (NYU I believe is the one people mention on these boards a lot) so I wouldnt worry about it too much. 

Its like most things, if you do well you'll be fine.  If you struggle in school, you will probably struggle finding a job, or more likely, a job in the area you are looking for.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on July 29, 2007, 08:33:44 AM
I'm pretty sure it was earlier on this thread that we talked about about how Cleveland has a surprisingly strong legal market.  Because of its important role in the economy in years past it became something of a legal hub.  This hasn't changed, but because Cleveland has something of bad reputation outside the area (insert joke about buring water here) it tends to not to have the same attraction that cities with comprable legal markets have.  Thus, coming out of Case, IF (big if) you want to stay in the Cleveland area you should be in a significantly better position than someone coming out of a similarly ranked school in a similarly sized market elsewhere.

In other words-if you want to practice in, say, D.C., its going to be tough as you will be competing with grads from Georgetown, other t14 schools, etc. but if you stay in Cleveland you will be coming from the most prestegious school in Northeast Ohio (and second in the state behind OSU) and not a lot of Georgetown (or Yale, Harvard, etc.) grads will be drawn to Cleveland.

Of course you need to do well at Case to get the top jobs, its just that for your class rank you will probably be in a better position than someone at a similarly ranked school with the same class rank (again, assuming you want to practice in the Cleveland area.)
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: rhombot on July 29, 2007, 10:49:31 AM
I'm pretty sure it was earlier on this thread that we talked about about how Cleveland has a surprisingly strong legal market.  Because of its important role in the economy in years past it became something of a legal hub.  This hasn't changed, but because Cleveland has something of bad reputation outside the area (insert joke about buring water here) it tends to not to have the same attraction that cities with comprable legal markets have.  Thus, coming out of Case, IF (big if) you want to stay in the Cleveland area you should be in a significantly better position than someone coming out of a similarly ranked school in a similarly sized market elsewhere.

In other words-if you want to practice in, say, D.C., its going to be tough as you will be competing with grads from Georgetown, other t14 schools, etc. but if you stay in Cleveland you will be coming from the most prestegious school in Northeast Ohio (and second in the state behind OSU) and not a lot of Georgetown (or Yale, Harvard, etc.) grads will be drawn to Cleveland.

Of course you need to do well at Case to get the top jobs, its just that for your class rank you will probably be in a better position than someone at a similarly ranked school with the same class rank (again, assuming you want to practice in the Cleveland area.)

titcr. the cleveland legal job market is underserved by regional schools, and i don't get the sense that it's a hot destination for graduates of national schools. it's also an inexpensive place to live. i suspect that if you ranked legal markets by employment opportunities in law divided by cost of living, cleveland would come out near the top.
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: kipford on August 01, 2007, 02:43:58 PM
Hey, Kipford thanks for those links.  I'm an incoming 1L and new to the loan process.  Looking at my financial aid including my scholarships and federal standford loans on the case website, do I have to get a lender to receive those, or can I just accept the aid on the website and it will be disbursed out to me by case?

Has anyone done their loans yet?  I read (well, read/skimmed) the material they sent last week, but its not clear to me what to do about choosing a lender.  Is Case's preferred lender (Access Group) the best to use?  If we sign up online does it go to them automatically?  Anyone know???
Title: Re: Case Western '10!
Post by: mt on August 01, 2007, 06:39:59 PM
Hey, Kipford I just talked to Tanya over at Case and she explained the loan process to me.  On the Case finincial aid website, accept the amount of aid that you want.Then for Federal Stafford and Plus loans we have to choose a lender.  Then once your lender approves you, then Case approves the amount of aid.  I choose Access Group, and I found them to be pretty helpful.  They were quick and helpful in answering all of my questions.  You can apply over the phone (800)282-1550 or online.