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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:07:49 PM

Title: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:07:49 PM
Well, I could just be dumb, but I logged into the US News online thing and the rankings are different from what they've been so far. I think most of you know that I'm not some kind of flame. It seemed to be the same on the main page, but once I logged in I got this:

Yale University (CT)
1 100
 
Harvard University (MA)
2 90
 
Stanford University (CA)
2 90
 
New York University 
4 87
 
Columbia University (NY)
5 85
 
University of Chicago 
6 80
 
University of Pennsylvania 
6 80
 
University of California-Berkeley 
8 78
 
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 
8 78
 
Duke University (NC)
10 77
 
University of Virginia 
10 77
 
Northwestern University (IL)
12 76
 
Cornell University (NY)
13 74
 
Georgetown University (DC)
14 72
 
University of California-Los Angeles 
15 71
 
University of Southern California (Gould) 
16 69
 
Vanderbilt University (TN)
16 69
 
University of Texas-Austin 
18 68
 
Washington University in St. Louis 
19 64
 
Boston University 
20 63
 
University of Minnesota-Twin Cities 
20 63
 
Emory University (GA)
22 62
 
George Washington University (DC)
22 62
 
University of Iowa 
24 61
 
Fordham University (NY)
25 60
 
University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign 
25 60
 
Washington and Lee University (VA)
25 60
 
Boston College 
28 59
 
University of Notre Dame (IN)
28 59
 
University of Washington 
28 59
 
College of William and Mary (Marshall-Wythe) (VA)
31 58
 
Ohio State University (Moritz) 
31 58 
 
University of Wisconsin-Madison 
31 58
 
George Mason University (VA)
34 56 
 
University of California-Davis 
34 56
 
Indiana University-Bloomington 
36 55
 
University of Alabama 
36 55
 
University of California (Hastings) 
36 55
 
University of Colorado-Boulder 
36 55
 
University of Georgia 
36 55
 
University of Maryland 
36 55
 
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 
36 55
 
Wake Forest University (NC)
36 55
 
Brigham Young University (Clark) (UT)
44 54
 
University of Arizona (Rogers) 
44 54
 
Southern Methodist University (TX)
46 53
 
American University (Washington) (DC)
47 52
 
Tulane University (LA)
47 52
 
University of Connecticut 
47 52
 
University of Florida (Levin) 
47 52

EDIT: Removed information that you'll have to pay for eventually. I know that probably makes it less believable, but I don't feel good about basically letting people steal.


Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:09:46 PM
are you positive? I wonder what the hell i'm getting then. I promise I'm not trying to be a troll or anything. I really do have this.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ishi on March 27, 2007, 12:10:49 PM
seriously?  Is this the "paid" login?  Because the free version still has the old rankings.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:11:11 PM
iscored, that's interesting, I've known you to be pretty reputable. Were you merely waiting anxiously for the right moment to pounce, because you have credibility?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ishi on March 27, 2007, 12:11:41 PM
are you positive? I wonder what the hell i'm getting then. I promise I'm not trying to be a troll or anything. I really do have this.

can you make a screenshot? 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:12:28 PM
yeah. hold on and give me a second to get it hosted somewhere like photobucket.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Tuttipoopoo on March 27, 2007, 12:14:14 PM
I just logged into my friends account and its still old rankings.  But he only paid for 07 rankings though.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: tuEE84 on March 27, 2007, 12:14:28 PM
NOT A FLAME

Just logged in and got same thing.  HUGE drop for UVA and Texas

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Booyakasha2 on March 27, 2007, 12:15:30 PM
this thread is worthless without a screenshot.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:15:48 PM
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/iscoreda119/newrankings.jpg)

that doesn'ts eem to blow up right, the link is http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/iscoreda119/newrankings.jpg
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: laxlaw on March 27, 2007, 12:16:06 PM
please get t2 in there too!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: tuEE84 on March 27, 2007, 12:17:13 PM
I'm at work right now so I can't go to hosting site.  But if you PM me your e-mail I will e-mail you a screen shot.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: _____________________ on March 27, 2007, 12:17:32 PM
i got it too.  you just had to pay.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Sooner on March 27, 2007, 12:18:12 PM
NYU  ::)

Even more overrated than before

Duke tied with UVA?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: muffin83 on March 27, 2007, 12:18:28 PM
wait, can someone put the numbers next to the copy and paste? actually, just tell me what number rank bu and bc are (im thinking there are a lot of ties in there)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:18:33 PM
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/iscoreda119/newrankings.jpg)

that doesn'ts eem to blow up right, the link is http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/iscoreda119/newrankings.jpg

Hmm, I wonder why it still says 07.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: General2010 on March 27, 2007, 12:18:50 PM
You really consider dropping from #16 to #18 a big drop for Texas?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 12:19:02 PM
Top 100 PLEASE!  Thanks.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ishi on March 27, 2007, 12:19:14 PM


that doesn'ts eem to blow up right, the link is
OK I believe it. 

Yay I'm going to a top 40!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:19:24 PM
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/iscoreda119/newrankings2.jpg

for further. I probably shouldn't post more than that (or any at all, really), but there you go. I suppose I could have edited it in photoshop, but that would take a really long time, and I don't think i've ever shown any troll like tendencies before.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: daydreamer on March 27, 2007, 12:20:42 PM
Can you put up 6 - 13?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Booyakasha2 on March 27, 2007, 12:20:49 PM
so gcoop cant verify, can anyone else who has a recently renewed/aquired sub?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: tuEE84 on March 27, 2007, 12:22:11 PM
I didn't renew sub, but I logged in and received the same rankings.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Pugnacious on March 27, 2007, 12:22:35 PM
tag
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:22:52 PM
had you paid before? This isn't my account, but I don't think this guy would have paid for the 2008 edition.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Juice on March 27, 2007, 12:23:17 PM
These screenshots are 07'. Are we not looking for 2008?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: daydreamer on March 27, 2007, 12:23:47 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 27, 2007, 12:24:13 PM
That's crazy, iscored.  Thanks for letting us know.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 12:24:16 PM
tag

GW down three.  bummer
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:24:34 PM
i'm not sure about the date. i'm just putting what comes up on my screen. it's possible they just accidentally put it up, but this is all i know. I know people will doubt it, and that's perfectly fine with me, but i don't want to mislead people either. I think one year changes in rank probably aren't worth altering decisions on anyway.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bamf on March 27, 2007, 12:24:44 PM
bump
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: _____________________ on March 27, 2007, 12:24:51 PM
gcoop refresh the screen.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: letsgoblue2007 on March 27, 2007, 12:25:23 PM
anyone want to post 50-100??
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 12:25:45 PM
OH WOW!  I have the new list too!  I just logged in.  This is weird.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:26:24 PM
OH WOW!  I have the new list too!  I just logged in.  This is weird.

 i know. after looking at last year's rankings so many times, it's so weird to see something different.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: laxlaw on March 27, 2007, 12:26:44 PM
I just paid and got the new ones when i hit cntrl+F5.

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: General2010 on March 27, 2007, 12:26:57 PM
W&L down three...Thanks a lot Emory.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: flyaway on March 27, 2007, 12:27:15 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

Did UVA fall?  Where is Mich?  I'm mad Penn is still 6, lol.  But it's funny that Chicago is down to 6.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:28:06 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

Did UVA fall?  Where is Mich?  I'm mad Penn is still 6, lol.  But it's funny that Chicago is down to 6.

Other way around, Chicago was 6, Penn was 7... Penn moved up. UVA fell to 10. Wow if this is true.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: tuEE84 on March 27, 2007, 12:28:15 PM
I think they realized their mistake.  I went to the site in another browser and got the old rankings.  Iscored is posting correct info, because I'm looking at it right now...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: barenakedtjm on March 27, 2007, 12:28:30 PM
Awesome, I knew Alabama was on the rise.  Good thing I just sent my seat deposit!  I would also like to see 51-100.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 12:28:36 PM
I can't see them--I just purchased the 2008 ones, but they aren't showing up.  All I get is the old numbers with BU at 22.  Did it move?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mantis on March 27, 2007, 12:28:52 PM
tag/interesting...

Johnny Stuffs His Mouth system for chosing a school works for me!

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,85286.0.html

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: BYU RULES on March 27, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
Man!  BYU snubbed again.  Down 10 spots!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: newtothis on March 27, 2007, 12:29:23 PM
Definite tag
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 12:29:40 PM
OMG, my top choice school dropped 20 ranks.  WTF?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 27, 2007, 12:30:18 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

Did UVA fall?  Where is Mich?  I'm mad Penn is still 6, lol.  But it's funny that Chicago is down to 6.

Other way around, Chicago was 6, Penn was 7... Penn moved up. UVA fell to 10. Wow if this is true.

Can you post the full list with their # ranking, not just the order? there have to be some ties in there.

The first number immediately under the name is the ranking.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:30:49 PM
tag/interesting...

Johnny Stuffs His Mouth system for chosing a school works for me!

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,85286.0.html



Thanks for the plug, mantis!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: jer on March 27, 2007, 12:31:08 PM
it's about time
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: t... on March 27, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ptown on March 27, 2007, 12:32:17 PM
If no one is going to post lower t1/upper t2 can you tell me where University of Missouri-Columbia is?

thanks
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:32:26 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.

Because the spirit of American competition instills in most of us the desire to be better than everyone else, and US News provides a method, however questionable, by which to compare.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: barenakedtjm on March 27, 2007, 12:32:52 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.

Do you really have to ask?  You're talking to most competitive bunch of people on this planet.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: letsgoblue2007 on March 27, 2007, 12:33:27 PM
i second the motion to show 50-100
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:33:31 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.

i don't really does from a year-to-year basis. I do find it interesting from a game standpoint. at least my preferences aren't changed a bit. I'd still take Michigan over Penn, Chicago or the two NY schools (if, theoretically i could get into ANY of those). I'd still take Texas over USC.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:33:34 PM
Just looking at Duke and UVA side by side, it's tough to see how they're equal. Well, I guess Duke's GPA >> UVA, but still.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: General2010 on March 27, 2007, 12:35:20 PM
Wow, my condolences to ND, W&M and UNC. #27 to #36 (UNC) is a big drop.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: General2010 on March 27, 2007, 12:36:18 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.

i don't really does from a year-to-year basis. I do find it interesting from a game standpoint. at least my preferences aren't changed a bit. I'd still take Michigan over Penn, Chicago or the two NY schools (if, theoretically i could get into ANY of those). I'd still take Texas over USC.

You have to wonder though, because a huge drop can certainly affect the amount of applications a school receives in the next cycle. A drop from Top 30 to Top 40 can definitely change whether people consider applying there.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Saja on March 27, 2007, 12:36:35 PM
NYU>CLS

Penn=Chi

USNews= ::)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:36:44 PM
Is it just me, or does this year's "rankings" have more significant change than any other year?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: allardblah on March 27, 2007, 12:36:50 PM
i also got the new ones...first logged into the old ones then tried the cntrol f5 and they resorted. may be a glitch though, and not the correct ones.  may also be a smart way to market the online version and get more sales.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: letsgoblue2007 on March 27, 2007, 12:36:59 PM
OMG, my top choice school dropped 20 ranks.  WTF?

was it Miami?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: flyaway on March 27, 2007, 12:38:12 PM
If reputation rankings matter so much (according to that Loyola prof who wrote the paper), how does Penn stay ranked so high, when it has a worse reputation than Michigan, Virginia, and Berkeley?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: daydreamer on March 27, 2007, 12:38:16 PM
Penn tied with Chicago is some screwed up sh*t.

NYU > Columbia is too
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:38:30 PM
By the way, on the OP I took out the information people will have to eventually pay for. IT didn't seem right. I know that people will doubt the information on that basis, but there it is.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 27, 2007, 12:38:39 PM
Wow, OU jumped up quite a bit.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:38:44 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.

i don't really does from a year-to-year basis. I do find it interesting from a game standpoint. at least my preferences aren't changed a bit. I'd still take Michigan over Penn, Chicago or the two NY schools (if, theoretically i could get into ANY of those). I'd still take Texas over USC.

You have to wonder though, because a huge drop can certainly affect the amount of applications a school receives in the next cycle. A drop from Top 30 to Top 40 can definitely change whether people consider applying there.

I have another theory. Many people are waiting on the new rankings to choose their school. Is it possible that having a higher rank this year (say, NYU>CLS) might cause borderline candidates to choose NYU over CLS, which might lower NYU's LSAT/GPA enough that CLS vaults NYU next year? As an example.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Juice on March 27, 2007, 12:38:49 PM
San Diego - HUGE drop. Now at risk of dropping out of the top 100. Who would have guessed....
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 12:39:26 PM
OMG, my top choice school dropped 20 ranks.  WTF?

was it Miami?

No, San Diego.  Miami dropped to 70, USD to 85.  Doesn't make sense to me...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Sooner on March 27, 2007, 12:40:50 PM
8 schools in the top 10 have to settle for ties. Stupid.

Current methodology sucks. Everyone knows NYU is not > Columbia and Chicago, Penn is not equal to Chicago, and Duke is not equal to UVA.

The reputation ratings are reality.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: _____________________ on March 27, 2007, 12:41:26 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.


in some cases it indicates a larger trend... this is important. 

for example texas seems to have continued to drop significantly in the last 5-10 years. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: agent michael scarn on March 27, 2007, 12:41:46 PM
Did anyone notice that the screenshot also lists the 05 stats just like last year's rankings?  Do you think that's part of the same glitch that has it listed as 2007 instead of 2008?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ishi on March 27, 2007, 12:42:10 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.

i don't really does from a year-to-year basis. I do find it interesting from a game standpoint. at least my preferences aren't changed a bit. I'd still take Michigan over Penn, Chicago or the two NY schools (if, theoretically i could get into ANY of those). I'd still take Texas over USC.

You have to wonder though, because a huge drop can certainly affect the amount of applications a school receives in the next cycle. A drop from Top 30 to Top 40 can definitely change whether people consider applying there.

Exactly.  Hastings used to be a top 20, then screwed up on reporting their rankings, resulting in a drop to 45.  Ever since, they've been stuck in the doldrums because their incoming class statistics have gone down proportionately.. But maybe they're back on their way up now.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: barenakedtjm on March 27, 2007, 12:42:16 PM
Wowza...just realized that Alabama tied with Georgia.  That's definitely interesting since the conventional theory on this board is that Georgia definitely trumps UA in the region.  This makes things definitely interesting in the South.

Roll Tide, fellow future Bammer!  I just sent my seat deposit today.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Juice on March 27, 2007, 12:42:46 PM
Great catch - I'm sure they had no intention of posting these today and you succeeded in preempting one of the worlds largest magazines and the entire law school industrial complex!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ishi on March 27, 2007, 12:44:04 PM
anyone think USNWR would put out fake rankings for an hour or two, wait for LSD posters to go nuts, then take em down? 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 12:44:22 PM
I'm just sitting here shaking my head in horror.

I'll say basically what I just said in my own thread:

You invest in a JD for the long term. Over the course of your career your school will fall and rise at least three spots multiple times. (Obvious exceptions: HYS).

If you are going to look at rankings look at long term trends; they at least indicate whether a school is generally on the rise or on the decline. If a drop of three spots or a rise of one spot matters this much to you you have some really serious ego problems.

 ::)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:44:39 PM
8 schools in the top 10 have to settle for ties. Stupid.

Current methodology sucks. Everyone knows NYU is not > Columbia and Chicago, Penn is not equal to Chicago, and Duke is not equal to UVA.

The reputation ratings are reality.

What methodology is this based on? I'm assuming reputation ratings, since they're reality. So the quality of a school now is determined by people who haven't been to law school in 30 years? Why is that a better indicator?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:45:01 PM
haha well, to be fair... that's like catching a hit movie two days early. In the end, who really gains from it? anyway, glad to be of help.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:45:36 PM
I'm just sitting here shaking my head in horror.

I'll say basically what I just said in my own thread:

You invest in a JD for the long term. Over the course of your career your school will fall and rise at least three spots multiple times. (Obvious exceptions: HYS).

If you are going to look at rankings look at long term trends; they at least indicate whether a school is generally on the rise or on the decline. If a drop of three spots or a rise of one spot matters this much to you you have some really serious ego problems.

 ::)

exactly.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 12:46:23 PM
I'm just sitting here shaking my head in horror.

I'll say basically what I just said in my own thread:

You invest in a JD for the long term. Over the course of your career your school will fall and rise at least three spots multiple times. (Obvious exceptions: HYS).

If you are going to look at rankings look at long term trends; they at least indicate whether a school is generally on the rise or on the decline. If a drop of three spots or a rise of one spot matters this much to you you have some really serious ego problems.

 ::)

What about a 20 spot drop?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 27, 2007, 12:46:43 PM
But Z!!  OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one!  Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:47:21 PM
I'm just sitting here shaking my head in horror.

I'll say basically what I just said in my own thread:

You invest in a JD for the long term. Over the course of your career your school will fall and rise at least three spots multiple times. (Obvious exceptions: HYS).

If you are going to look at rankings look at long term trends; they at least indicate whether a school is generally on the rise or on the decline. If a drop of three spots or a rise of one spot matters this much to you you have some really serious ego problems.

 ::)

Z, you forget that Mommy and Daddy aren't familiar with Northwestern, Cornell, etc. However, Mommy and Daddy are familiar with the numbers 12, 13, etc. I just want them to love me.

Just kidding?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Pugnacious on March 27, 2007, 12:48:11 PM
iscoreda, look what you've started, haha. following this thread is like watching a pack of lions ambush an injured zebra...ok bad analogy
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Niiice on March 27, 2007, 12:48:35 PM
USNews is hating on ND. That's not nice.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: jer on March 27, 2007, 12:50:07 PM
But Z!! OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one! Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

true dat

/i'll take their spot
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: _____________________ on March 27, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
But Z!!  OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one!  Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

if this is a dig at my post i don't know that its neccesary.  if i'm going to invest 160K in a degree, i want to pick a stock thats rising or staying the same, not falling.  and thats not to say that UT is not a good school because it fell two places this year.  but looking at the data over time i'm not as sure in my "investment" there as i would be at other schools.  especially if one is out of state and is counting on the national reputation.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 27, 2007, 12:51:55 PM
But Z!!  OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one!  Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

if this is a dig at my post i don't know that its neccesary.  if i'm going to invest 160K in a degree, i want to pick a stock thats rising or staying the same, not falling.  and thats not to say that UT is not a good school because it fell two places this year.  but looking at the data over time i'm not as sure in my "investment" there as i would be at other schools.  especially if one is out of state and is counting on the national reputation.

Oh no, hon, I'm sorry.  I didn't mean to insult your post (to be honest, I didn't even see it).

TX was just my reach school (who rejected me) so I figure I get to poke a little fun at it.  No worries.  ;)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:52:11 PM
But Z!!  OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one!  Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

if this is a dig at my post i don't know that its neccesary.  if i'm going to invest 160K in a degree, i want to pick a stock thats rising or staying the same, not falling.  and thats not to say that UT is not a good school because it fell two places this year.  but looking at the data over time i'm not as sure in my "investment" there as i would be at other schools.  especially if one is out of state and is counting on the national reputation.

I think the point is that the job market for UT won't magically shrivel, even if it fell into the 20s. Employers know UT. That's all that matters.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: _____________________ on March 27, 2007, 12:52:32 PM
cool.  sorry for the hypersensitivity then :)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:52:41 PM
But Z!! OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one! Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

true dat

/i'll take their spot

that was my FIRST thought when i saw it. I thought "wow. it's possible that someone might actually choose another school over Texas because of this. I might get in off the wait list!" Because I'll certainly take Texas over the new 16th ranked schools.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: gillesthegreat on March 27, 2007, 12:52:50 PM
People seem to be making a lot of UVA dropping two ranks and other seemingly important movements. Everyone should notice that UVA and Duke are scoring 77 and Michigan and Berkeley 78. UVA just dropped one point behind the other 2.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:53:35 PM
But Z!!  OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one!  Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

if this is a dig at my post i don't know that its neccesary.  if i'm going to invest 160K in a degree, i want to pick a stock thats rising or staying the same, not falling.  and thats not to say that UT is not a good school because it fell two places this year.  but looking at the data over time i'm not as sure in my "investment" there as i would be at other schools.  especially if one is out of state and is counting on the national reputation.

I think the point is that the job market for UT won't magically shrivel, even if it fell into the 20s. Employers know UT. That's all that matters.

And the lawyer assessment ratings actually went UP by .2 from 4.1 to 4.3... meaning that it's image is nominally better among employers.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Sooner on March 27, 2007, 12:54:16 PM
8 schools in the top 10 have to settle for ties. Stupid.

Current methodology sucks. Everyone knows NYU is not > Columbia and Chicago, Penn is not equal to Chicago, and Duke is not equal to UVA.

The reputation ratings are reality.

What methodology is this based on? I'm assuming reputation ratings, since they're reality. So the quality of a school now is determined by people who haven't been to law school in 30 years? Why is that a better indicator?

Oooh engaged by Johnny on the spot!

You have my opinion. This is too much to get into now, and it would just be a retread of many other discussions in this forum, anyway. I just don't feel motivated to type a book now. But you should go ahead.  
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: AlphaBusey on March 27, 2007, 12:55:14 PM
Yeah, like it or not the rankings are always going to have some small influence on all of us, even if we don't acknowledge it.  Me, I love the rankings, as it just seems to confirm my feelings about the schools (yay NYU and Penn!).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Pugnacious on March 27, 2007, 12:55:32 PM
But Z!! OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one! Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

true dat

/i'll take their spot

that was my FIRST thought when i saw it. I thought "wow. it's possible that someone might actually choose another school over Texas because of this. I might get in off the wait list!" Because I'll certainly take Texas over the new 16th ranked schools.

Why no love for USC?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Violet247 on March 27, 2007, 12:56:09 PM
I got the new rankings when I logged in but then when I logged in later it went back to the old rankings. Did this happen to anyone else, too?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 27, 2007, 12:56:54 PM
From now on the USNews should conduct a draft where they go one at a time.  It should be broadcasted live and each school should come and get congratulated one at a time just like in sports' drafts

 :D

Maybe the deans would come to blows!

I vote for the rankings to be based off of dance-offs by the deans.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: daydreamer on March 27, 2007, 12:57:01 PM
But Z!!  OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one!  Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

if this is a dig at my post i don't know that its neccesary.  if i'm going to invest 160K in a degree, i want to pick a stock thats rising or staying the same, not falling.  and thats not to say that UT is not a good school because it fell two places this year.  but looking at the data over time i'm not as sure in my "investment" there as i would be at other schools.  especially if one is out of state and is counting on the national reputation.

do you have a link to this data?  I know i used to have it, but now i can't find it
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 12:58:51 PM
But Z!! OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one! Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

true dat

/i'll take their spot

that was my FIRST thought when i saw it. I thought "wow. it's possible that someone might actually choose another school over Texas because of this. I might get in off the wait list!" Because I'll certainly take Texas over the new 16th ranked schools.

Why no love for USC?

1. I believe Texas to be a better school than USC or indeed many of the T14 schools.
2. I'm a Texan, and I'd love to return to Austin. LA scares me as my other post indicates.
3. I do like USC, and its inderdisciplinary academic study really appeals to me, but that doesn't mean I'd pick it over Texas.
4. Texas is much cheaper.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Tuttipoopoo on March 27, 2007, 12:59:23 PM
BTW --- I never paid for the 08 edition.  I'm logged into an account with the 07 edition and all the new rankings are there. 

Are the rankings available to everybody now?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Pugnacious on March 27, 2007, 12:59:54 PM
But Z!! OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one! Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

true dat

/i'll take their spot

that was my FIRST thought when i saw it. I thought "wow. it's possible that someone might actually choose another school over Texas because of this. I might get in off the wait list!" Because I'll certainly take Texas over the new 16th ranked schools.

Why no love for USC?

1. I believe Texas to be a better school than USC or indeed many of the T14 schools.
2. I'm a Texan, and I'd love to return to Austin. LA scares me as my other post indicates.
3. I do like USC, and its inderdisciplinary academic study really appeals to me, but that doesn't mean I'd pick it over Texas.
4. Texas is much cheaper.

Ok those are valid reasons - still hope to meet you at ASW though!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: muffin83 on March 27, 2007, 01:00:20 PM
woooohooooo BU.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:01:15 PM
8 schools in the top 10 have to settle for ties. Stupid.

Current methodology sucks. Everyone knows NYU is not > Columbia and Chicago, Penn is not equal to Chicago, and Duke is not equal to UVA.

The reputation ratings are reality.

What methodology is this based on? I'm assuming reputation ratings, since they're reality. So the quality of a school now is determined by people who haven't been to law school in 30 years? Why is that a better indicator?

Oooh engaged by Johnny on the spot!

You have my opinion. This is too much to get into now, and it would just be a retread of many other discussions in this forum, anyway. I just don't feel motivated to type a book now. But you should go ahead.  

For what it's worth, I think I tend to agree with you maybe. I think NYU is probably a bit overrated, but I don't mind reaping those benfits.  ;D
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 01:01:28 PM
But Z!! OMFG TX DROPPED 2 SPOTS!!!11!1one! Now anyone who goes there is going to be stuck in some TTT job!

 ::)

true dat

/i'll take their spot

that was my FIRST thought when i saw it. I thought "wow. it's possible that someone might actually choose another school over Texas because of this. I might get in off the wait list!" Because I'll certainly take Texas over the new 16th ranked schools.

Why no love for USC?

1. I believe Texas to be a better school than USC or indeed many of the T14 schools.
2. I'm a Texan, and I'd love to return to Austin. LA scares me as my other post indicates.
3. I do like USC, and its inderdisciplinary academic study really appeals to me, but that doesn't mean I'd pick it over Texas.
4. Texas is much cheaper.

Ok those are valid reasons - still hope to meet you at ASW though!

I'll be there!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 01:02:00 PM
I have absolutely no reason to feel this way, but I can't believe that GW dropped below BU.  It just doesn't seem right to me. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Diecisiete on March 27, 2007, 01:02:17 PM
tag...this is pretty entertaining. Every year I expect Chicago to move up a spot, but now its 10 years at #6 (Ok, I really haven't waited a decade...that would be strange :P)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: _____________________ on March 27, 2007, 01:03:05 PM
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,58423.0.html
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: _____________________ on March 27, 2007, 01:04:52 PM
looking at that though i think i was thinking about leiter's rankings.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 01:05:50 PM
nyu > cls?

 :'(
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 27, 2007, 01:05:57 PM
I can verify this it, this is true. Holy sheet.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 01:06:02 PM
I have absolutely no reason to feel this way, but I can't believe that GW dropped below BU.  It just doesn't seem right to me. 

I'm thinking they might have been expecting the drop, and that's why they've made such efforts to up their #'s for next year.

That's been my prediction all along!  I'm sure they were expecting it.  Not that this influences my decision to attend.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 01:06:10 PM
I have absolutely no reason to feel this way, but I can't believe that GW dropped below BU.  It just doesn't seem right to me. 

I'm thinking they might have been expecting the drop, and that's why they've made such efforts to up their #'s for next year.

That's true--it would help explain why so many people are waitlisted.  But I've seen people this year getting into GW and waitlisted at American (though that may be either YP on American's part or late applications).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: whoneedsanABA on March 27, 2007, 01:08:10 PM
tagero....fordham, hastings etc are the big winners...

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 01:08:32 PM
nyu > cls?

 :'(

no, not really (imho).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Sell Out on March 27, 2007, 01:08:52 PM
Damn... UH went from 70 to 60...

Seattle went to 85.

R-Camden tumbled to 70.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 27, 2007, 01:08:57 PM
I'm guessing NYU and Penn will not be going to their waitlist much this year.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:09:16 PM
nyu > cls?

 :'(

no, not really (imho).

 :'(
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 01:09:28 PM
nyu > cls?

 :'(

no, not really (imho).

same here...but it's nice to be validated  :-[

I'm guessing NYU and Penn will not be going to their waitlist much this year.

yup

oh well, i was gonna w/d from Penn anyway.  Fuckers.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 01:09:49 PM
I have absolutely no reason to feel this way, but I can't believe that GW dropped below BU.  It just doesn't seem right to me. 

I'm thinking they might have been expecting the drop, and that's why they've made such efforts to up their #'s for next year.

That's been my prediction all along!  I'm sure they were expecting it.  Not that this influences my decision to attend.

After an initial moment of slight disappointment (though the fact that it was a T20 never impressed people who are impressed by these types of things anyway), it hasn't really influenced me either.

I would still pick GW over BU, knowing that I would prefer to stay in DC.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: laxlaw on March 27, 2007, 01:10:38 PM
For the Michiganders:

Michigan State jumps back to Tier 3
AND

Wayne State drops hard to Tier 4.

Also, since it used to be a part of Michigan, Toledo made a nice jump from 93 to 85.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 01:11:17 PM
Umm--what if this is all fake or just isn't the complete data (like a test site without all of the new info entered in), and I just wasted my afternoon analyzing it?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: vzuffante on March 27, 2007, 01:12:05 PM
Horray for the UCONN jump. I chose there over American.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 01:12:46 PM
now people will tell me going to Penn is a must because it's 4 whole spots higher than Virginia....how did that happen?

i'm seriously shocked by the virginia drop. doesn't matter to me that much....kinda.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 01:13:33 PM
nyu > cls?

 :'(

no, not really (imho).

 :'(

i'm sorry, but it's true. NYU is a perfectly respectable place, but CLS is, well, CLS no matter what.

don't worry; you will be very happy at NYU anyway.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Tuttipoopoo on March 27, 2007, 01:13:52 PM
I'm still showing the new rankings...trust me it's real.

Anyone know why Fordham made a huge jump?  I'm glad they did, but just wondering what changed from last year to make them go up?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Refused Party Program on March 27, 2007, 01:14:01 PM
I really hope that everyone on this board realized that within the "clusters" shifts are going to happen and don't really mean that much. If any of you read the article mentioned earlier in this thread from the Loyola professor on these rankings, you would remember how much the ranking for a school can fluctuate based on numbers changing for an entirely different school. Outside of the top 15 or so schools, you should be looking at schools in a region you want to practice. I suppose all of this talk is in good fun, but saying "OMG! OMG! UVA fell two spots to #10..." is going overboard. Next year, they might be tied for #7 with Michigan and Boalt could be 10. Doesn't change a single thing about how the school is regarded in the community or the quality of the school for that matter.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:14:35 PM
nyu > cls?

 :'(

no, not really (imho).

 :'(

i'm sorry, but it's true. NYU is a perfectly respectable place, but CLS is, well, CLS no matter what.

don't worry; you will be very happy at NYU anyway.

Oh, I know, and I'm pretty sure I agree, though I'm not sure on what basis I would make that claim.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 01:14:55 PM
I have absolutely no reason to feel this way, but I can't believe that GW dropped below BU.  It just doesn't seem right to me. 

I'm thinking they might have been expecting the drop, and that's why they've made such efforts to up their #'s for next year.

That's been my prediction all along!  I'm sure they were expecting it.  Not that this influences my decision to attend.

After an initial moment of slight disappointment (though the fact that it was a T20 never impressed people who are impressed by these types of things anyway), it hasn't really influenced me either.

GW:  2006OVERENROLLEDPWN3D!!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 01:15:02 PM
I really hope that everyone on this board realized that within the "clusters" shifts are going to happen and don't really mean that much. If any of you read the article mentioned earlier in this thread from the Loyola professor on these rankings, you would remember how much the ranking for a school can fluctuate based on numbers changing for an entirely different school. Outside of the top 15 or so schools, you should be looking at schools in a region you want to practice. I suppose all of this talk is in good fun, but saying "OMG! OMG! UVA fell two spots to #10..." is going overboard. Next year, they might be tied for #7 with Michigan and Boalt could be 10. Doesn't change a single thing about how the school is regarded in the community or the quality of the school for that matter.


of course you are right, but boo, let us have fun being shocked
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 27, 2007, 01:15:14 PM
Can anyone make sense out of the NYU > CLS jump from a statistical pov?  

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/iscoreda119/newrankings.jpg

CLS beats them in almost every category shown.  NYU must skew their expenditures or something.  It doesn't add up.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: jer on March 27, 2007, 01:15:43 PM
did UH go from 70 to 60?

yay UH!!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Refused Party Program on March 27, 2007, 01:15:54 PM

of course you are right, but boo, let us have fun being shocked

Of course, that's why i said I suppose its fun :)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 01:17:35 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 01:17:51 PM
is it me, or did American drop out of the t100 all together?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Refused Party Program on March 27, 2007, 01:17:54 PM
I'm still showing the new rankings...trust me it's real.

Anyone know why Fordham made a huge jump?  I'm glad they did, but just wondering what changed from last year to make them go up?

You know, what is interesting about this is that I never understood why Fordham ranking was so low. They have better LSAT/GPA than the schools around them. Same thing with Hastings (another jumper) because its rep scores are much higher than than schools around it.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: WeeSqueak on March 27, 2007, 01:18:30 PM
47 I think - down from 43
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Reach on March 27, 2007, 01:18:49 PM
Could someone post the rep scores for Michigan?  Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:18:59 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: dashrashi on March 27, 2007, 01:19:19 PM
Tiggety tag. Also, sad about GW.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: WeeSqueak on March 27, 2007, 01:19:54 PM
Do you think GW knew this was coming and thats why they ecided to offer the big money this year?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mantis on March 27, 2007, 01:20:31 PM
Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

http://www.cooley.edu/rankings/overall2006.htm

duh.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 01:21:25 PM
Do you think GW knew this was coming and thats why they ecided to offer the big money this year?

maybe, but how would they know? It doesn't look like any of their stats dropped. anyone have the old data?

George Washington University (DC)
22 62 3.4 3.8 3.45-3.81 163-166 22.8% 15.2 93.4%  98.3% 87.5%/NY 74%

is the new one.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 01:21:43 PM
Do you think GW knew this was coming and thats why they ecided to offer the big money this year?

Yes.  They over-enrolled and knew this was coming.

Although, when I talked to an IU-B rep, she was very candid and acknowledged that IU-B would be falling in the rankings according to their information.  Well, IU-B went up one spot.  Maybe US NEWS changed their methodology or calculations?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 01:21:52 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 01:23:00 PM
wouldn't it be an interesting ploy for US News to fake out those of us trying to get some sort of early beat on it and this was all just fake?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: WeeSqueak on March 27, 2007, 01:23:03 PM
Sigur -- how exactly would overenrollment impact rankings -- would it affect yield?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:23:08 PM
iscored, any chance that this is an incredibly, incredibly elaborate ruse designed to teach us all a lesson: namely that we put far too much stock into one magazine's rankings, and that our decisions should be based on personal criteria?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 27, 2007, 01:23:23 PM
Hey Reach:


MICHIGAN Rep Scores: 4.5/4/6.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Quail! on March 27, 2007, 01:23:44 PM
*grabs popcorn*

There is space on the couch for you.

Room for one more?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 01:23:55 PM
wouldn't it be an interesting ploy for US News to fake out those of us trying to get some sort of early beat on it and this was all just fake?

I actually wish this were true.  :-[
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:24:00 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 01:24:30 PM
Sigur -- how exactly would overenrollment impact rankings -- would it affect yield?

Well, off the top of my head it would probably affect the spending/student, but that's not a very significant number in the calculation, so I'm just talking out of my ass.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 01:25:22 PM
iscored, any chance that this is an incredibly, incredibly elaborate ruse designed to teach us all a lesson: namely that we put far too much stock into one magazine's rankings, and that our decisions should be based on personal criteria?

U.S. News has been trying to teach us law school applicants a lesson for quite some time.  By god, I think they've done it. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 01:25:25 PM
iscored, any chance that this is an incredibly, incredibly elaborate ruse designed to teach us all a lesson: namely that we put far too much stock into one magazine's rankings, and that our decisions should be based on personal criteria?

i only wish it were. It'd involve lots of fake double accounts that i've been posting under with different personalities for the past few months to confirm my little fake out. And in the end, people would all come together and realize that only the data that they personally really care about should be used for their decision (whether it be academic reputation, salary after graduation, 75th percentile LSAT score, location, etc).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: jer on March 27, 2007, 01:25:29 PM
Sigur -- how exactly would overenrollment impact rankings -- would it affect yield?

Well, off the top of my head it would probably affect the spending/student, but that's not a very significant number in the calculation, so I'm just talking out of my ass.

looks like they do use the student/teacher ratio as a major factor
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 01:26:12 PM
Sigur -- how exactly would overenrollment impact rankings -- would it affect yield?

Well, off the top of my head it would probably affect the spending/student, but that's not a very significant number in the calculation, so I'm just talking out of my ass.

looks like they do use the student/teacher ratio as a major factor

And that too.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 01:26:22 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ouchitburns on March 27, 2007, 01:26:43 PM
you know, I have read so often on here that NYU is overrated, that I may subconsciously be believing it now.

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:26:51 PM
iscored, any chance that this is an incredibly, incredibly elaborate ruse designed to teach us all a lesson: namely that we put far too much stock into one magazine's rankings, and that our decisions should be based on personal criteria?

i only wish it were. It'd involve lots of fake double accounts that i've been posting under with different personalities for the past few months to confirm my little fake out. And in the end, people would all come together and realize that only the data that they personally really care about should be used for their decision (whether it be academic reputation, salary after graduation, 75th percentile LSAT score, location, etc).

If it makes you feel any better, I'm kind of doing that in my thread (getting people to seriously think about reasons for going to law school, figuring out what their gut says, etc.).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ericptk2000 on March 27, 2007, 01:29:26 PM
I think the US News quick release just went off the site.  When I looked at tier 3 and went back to top 100, all of the schools changed back to last years posting.  Also, I don't think they had updated T3 and T4 because they seemed to have had the same stats.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: velasquez on March 27, 2007, 01:29:50 PM
I think the spending per student stat greatly skews the rankings and creates positions that are out of sync with what most people think. It is not a stat that shows up but it produces (frankly strange) results like NYU being clearly > than CLS and Penn(!) = Chicago
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 01:30:59 PM
anyone have last year's data so that we can compare things like whether GW's students/faculty ratio really dropped?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: JuanTwoThree on March 27, 2007, 01:31:50 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 

I want to go to NYU even knowing that Chicago is better overall. These rankings make me very sad because I think it may be harder to get aid from NYU now.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: MisterManager on March 27, 2007, 01:32:10 PM
Why are the rankings not in alphabetical order? There are a bunch of schools tied at 36 but Indiana is posted before Alabama...is it because the number that comes out of their sacred formula is a bit higher for IU, but not enough to account for an actual rank spot?

and also...if this is true...WHOA Carolina tsk, tsk
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 01:32:13 PM
I think the spending per student stat greatly skews the rankings and creates positions that are out of sync with what most people think. It is not a stat that shows up but it produces (frankly strange) results like NYU being clearly > than CLS and Penn(!) = Chicago

see, the Penn thing I understand because its a wealthy school with a smallish class

but NYU is significantly bigger than CLS - where are they getting the money from? I thought CLS had the deep pockets, considering its ivy status
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 01:33:00 PM
Do you think GW knew this was coming and thats why they ecided to offer the big money this year?

Yes.  They over-enrolled and knew this was coming.

Yep--and the Dean smartly prepared for it by offering out bucketloads of cash to #'s that'll raise them up (hopefully). Smart plan. Was she the dean of Emory that helped them with that leap?

I think she was at George Mason before GW.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:34:02 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 

Probably the best standard (employability, that is): after all, I think the ultimate reason to go to law school is to get a job. However, do you think employability necessarily speaks to the quality of the education? This is very important to many people, and in that regard it is certainly possible that the rankings would be very different (ignoring the obvious dilemma: that different schools are strong in different areas, so an across-the-board ranking on this criterion would itself be misleading).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: JuanTwoThree on March 27, 2007, 01:35:23 PM
I think the spending per student stat greatly skews the rankings and creates positions that are out of sync with what most people think. It is not a stat that shows up but it produces (frankly strange) results like NYU being clearly > than CLS and Penn(!) = Chicago

see, the Penn thing I understand because its a wealthy school with a smallish class

but NYU is significantly bigger than CLS - where are they getting the money from? I thought CLS had the deep pockets, considering its ivy status

I went to an NYU event some time ago and met Dean Revesz. With that guy at the helm NYU is going nowhere but up. Hes a nice guy who instills confidence.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 01:36:13 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 

Probably the best standard (employability, that is): after all, I think the ultimate reason to go to law school is to get a job. However, do you think employability necessarily speaks to the quality of the education? This is very important to many people, and in that regard it is certainly possible that the rankings would be very different (ignoring the obvious dilemma: that different schools are strong in different areas, so an across-the-board ranking on this criterion would itself be misleading).

I have a hard time believing you wouldn't get a "quality education" at any top school.  In that sense the rankings are irrelevant.  But they are very relevant with regard to what sorts of jobs you can get, and I don't think this new list represents that very well with Penn and NYU.

Daydream Nation!  Woo-hoo!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 01:37:48 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 

Probably the best standard (employability, that is): after all, I think the ultimate reason to go to law school is to get a job. However, do you think employability necessarily speaks to the quality of the education? This is very important to many people, and in that regard it is certainly possible that the rankings would be very different (ignoring the obvious dilemma: that different schools are strong in different areas, so an across-the-board ranking on this criterion would itself be misleading).

I have a hard time believing you wouldn't get a "quality education" at any top school.  In that sense the rankings are irrelevant.  But they are very relevant with regard to what sorts of jobs you can get, and I don't think this new list represents that very well with Penn and NYU.

Daydream Nation!  Woo-hoo!

all of the profs at the T14s come from the same law schools anyways - H or Y

so big EH

i know that doesn't mean that they're good teachers, but all of the teachers have similar pedigrees and whoever is a good teacher is so hard to quanitify, i wont' even try
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Quail! on March 27, 2007, 01:40:10 PM
Haven't read most of this thread, but NYU and Penn continue to be overrated IMO. 

Not that I disagree, but I'll ask the same question I asked Sooner: whose ratings should we go by?

What do you mean?  I just meant they were overrated by USNews. 

By overrated, I assumed you meant there was some standard against which US News overrated them (Penn couldn't be overrated unless it really, truly belonged somewhere else: how do you determine that?).

I just meant that I don't think there is any reason to believe NYU is better than Columbia or that Penn is the same as Chicago, mainly in terms of Big Law placement, academia, clerkships, etc. 

Probably the best standard (employability, that is): after all, I think the ultimate reason to go to law school is to get a job. However, do you think employability necessarily speaks to the quality of the education? This is very important to many people, and in that regard it is certainly possible that the rankings would be very different (ignoring the obvious dilemma: that different schools are strong in different areas, so an across-the-board ranking on this criterion would itself be misleading).

I have a hard time believing you wouldn't get a "quality education" at any top school.  In that sense the rankings are irrelevant.  But they are very relevant with regard to what sorts of jobs you can get, and I don't think this new list represents that very well with Penn and NYU.

Daydream Nation!  Woo-hoo!

I can't help but think that the differences in opportunities afforded to Penn/Chicago and NYU/CLS students are THAT different so as to make the rankings unrepresentative.  Maybe in terms of SCOTUS (and ever other fed.) clerkships there is a bit of a disparity.  But I've gotten the feeling that the career options are more or less the same.  Caring about 1 spot differences in the top 7 law schools would seem to be a little petty and on the whole, irrelevant.

Maybe I'm just feeling snarky, but it's kind of getting to me at the moment.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 01:43:49 PM
happy to see the cleaned up version i reordered and put michigan > UC Berkeley even though they are tied at 8 make it to xoxo

alphabetical order be damned!
:D

i do think it's funny that we have this before them.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: MisterManager on March 27, 2007, 01:47:10 PM
Why are the rankings not in alphabetical order? There are a bunch of schools tied at 36 but Indiana is posted before Alabama...is it because the number that comes out of their sacred formula is a bit higher for IU, but not enough to account for an actual rank spot?

and also...if this is true...WHOA Carolina tsk, tsk

The U in University counts

I < U < W

Indiana University-Bloomington
36 55
 
University of Alabama
36 55
 
University of California (Hastings)
36 55
 
University of Colorado-Boulder
36 55
 
University of Georgia
36 55
 
University of Maryland
36 55
 
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
36 55
 
Wake Forest University (NC)
36 55

got it...im an idiot
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 27, 2007, 01:48:47 PM
i do think it's funny that we have this before them.

There's a new Sheriff in town...

(http://www.usgennet.org/family/bliss/images/john_wayne.jpg)

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: zephyr on March 27, 2007, 01:49:14 PM
glad to see BU is still on the move!

ULCA is one overall(71) point away from GULC(72). anyone know what the gap was last year? i don't think it was quite this close last year. anyone have the data handy?

cornell seems to have pulled a head a little if i remember correctly. their overall is 74.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Schruted on March 27, 2007, 01:50:17 PM
I was informed of this site today regarding academia placement:

http://lsolum.typepad.com/legaltheory/2007/03/entry_level_hir.html

How long can we continue to call NYU overrated before it just seems silly? 5 more years? 10 more?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mrsdclare on March 27, 2007, 01:50:39 PM
tag
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: In Infernos Dicet on March 27, 2007, 01:51:31 PM
tag....lets see if this plays out on the 30th.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 01:51:50 PM
I know the 2nd tier is unknown to most of you, but does anyone have a damn clue how USD dropped from 65 to 85?  Best school in its region, very high LSATs for a T2 and 22nd best ranked faculty in the country.

Anyone have a clue WTF happened here?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 01:52:13 PM
UNC -9

thats a big T1 drop.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Senator on March 27, 2007, 01:53:54 PM
tag
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mrsdclare on March 27, 2007, 01:55:07 PM
So if Hastings jumped in the rankings and I still haven't heard what impact do you think it has on my chances of getting in? Prolly not good right? Especially since it was a super reach anyway?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Drew P. Bottom on March 27, 2007, 01:56:06 PM
I think saying Texas is in freefall (and has been) is stupid. Since 2007 its rankings have been:

18   29   15   15   15   15   15   15   15   16     18
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 01:56:52 PM
Given GW's overenrollment last year, does anyone think that it will jump back up to 19 (or maybe even higher with all the money they are giving away) next year, and push BU back down to 22?  I think this may just be a temporary jump for BU based on other circumstances than its own performance.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 27, 2007, 01:57:15 PM
UNC -9

thats a big T1 drop.

Seriously. That's gotta sting.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mathlete on March 27, 2007, 01:57:28 PM
Hrm, BU in the T20 now... interesting. Fordham at 25 seems a lot more appealing than in the 30s, too.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 01:57:43 PM
UNC -9

thats a big T1 drop.

Seriously. That's gotta sting.

I think it's because they lost in basketball recently.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 27, 2007, 01:58:56 PM
Hrm, BU in the T20 now... interesting. Fordham at 25 seems a lot more appealing than in the 30s, too.

It's gonna shake up Boston law school politics, tell you that much.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mrsdclare on March 27, 2007, 01:59:13 PM
does anyone else have the urge to call the schools and ask them how they feel about this??  :D hehe jk
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: pikey on March 27, 2007, 01:59:51 PM
tag
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 02:00:48 PM
University of San Diego

Positives
None that I can see

Basically neutral
Peer assessment score remained the same at 2.8
Student/faculty ratio stayed the same at 14.3

Negatives
Assessment score by lawyers/judges went down from 2.9 to 2.6
GPA range went from 3.11-3.54 to 3.06-3.56
LSAT range went from 160-164 to 159-164 (not sure if the median changed though)
Acceptance rate went from 24.9% to 29.8%
Grads employed at graduation went from 65.8% to 62%
Employment 9 months after graduation went from 89% to 79.5%

I know, but a 20 spot drop?  Seems a bit harsh.

And there are many factors not included in the numbers shown on the front.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 02:01:36 PM
UNC -9

thats a big T1 drop.

Seriously. That's gotta sting.

I think it's because they lost in basketball recently.

Yeah, UNC blew that one.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:03:03 PM
i'd advise not freaking out even when a school goes way down or up. It's just one year's data, and that's pretty unconvincing.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: vzuffante on March 27, 2007, 02:03:49 PM
would someone mind posting the UCONN numbers? Thanks!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:03:57 PM
does anyone else have the urge to call the schools and ask them how they feel about this??  :D hehe jk

I'll be making that phone call...maybe.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 02:04:02 PM
I know the 2nd tier is unknown to most of you, but does anyone have a damn clue how USD dropped from 65 to 85?  Best school in its region, very high LSATs for a T2 and 22nd best ranked faculty in the country.

Anyone have a clue WTF happened here?

You seem to be defining region very narrowly.

I'm defining it as San Diego as LA takes most of the USC, UCLA, etc grads.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 02:04:19 PM
Given GW's overenrollment last year, does anyone think that it will jump back up to 19 (or maybe even higher with all the money they are giving away) next year, and push BU back down to 22?  I think this may just be a temporary jump for BU based on other circumstances than its own performance.

Yes. I think GW will go back up.  They seem to have been very prepared for this dip.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:06:12 PM
Given GW's overenrollment last year, does anyone think that it will jump back up to 19 (or maybe even higher with all the money they are giving away) next year, and push BU back down to 22?  I think this may just be a temporary jump for BU based on other circumstances than its own performance.

Yes. I think GW will go back up.  They seem to have been very prepared for this dip.

i agree. And it's not like 22 is omgsomuchworse than 19. Come on.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:08:08 PM
The most misleading stat US News uses is the overall ranking. If they just published the scores (100 for Yale, 63 for BU, etc.) people would freak out much less. When someone realizes the difference between 30 and 50 was 3 points (hypothetically speaking), all of a sudden it's not so bad.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:09:23 PM
The most misleading stat US News uses is the overall ranking. If they just published the scores (100 for Yale, 63 for BU, etc.) people would freak out much less. When someone realizes the difference between 30 and 50 was 3 points (hypothetically speaking), all of a sudden it's not so bad.

Says the guy who has gotten into UVA and NYU...

 :P
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:09:45 PM
The most misleading stat US News uses is the overall ranking. If they just published the scores (100 for Yale, 63 for BU, etc.) people would freak out much less. When someone realizes the difference between 30 and 50 was 3 points (hypothetically speaking), all of a sudden it's not so bad.

well... to counter that, the scores are normalized on each other. The bottom school gets 0 and the top gets 100. Is Harvard really only 90% of the school that Yale is? Highly doubtful.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Commie Panda on March 27, 2007, 02:10:07 PM
Though this issue (OP's credibility) seems to have been resolved, I don't think iscoredawaitlist would make this up.

Also, I hope that these really are the '08 rankings and not just a screw up.  
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 02:10:45 PM
The most misleading stat US News uses is the overall ranking. If they just published the scores (100 for Yale, 63 for BU, etc.) people would freak out much less. When someone realizes the difference between 30 and 50 was 3 points (hypothetically speaking), all of a sudden it's not so bad.

Says the guy who has gotten into UVA and NYU...

 :P

and said, though he claims to have been kidding, that UVA is now out.

 :-*
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Captain on March 27, 2007, 02:11:39 PM
G-Dub taking a small drop while Emory improves and matches them... this is the kind of stuff that will give me an ulcer...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 02:12:31 PM
I would still go to UVA over NYU. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:12:45 PM
Though this issue (OP's credibility) seems to have been resolved, I don't think iscoredawaitlist would make this up.

Also, I hope that these really are the '08 rankings and not just a screw up.  


Thanks. I promise I haven't just fabricated these. I see it as possible that US News made a mistake or that this is a red herring to get more publicity for the real thing, so this list comes with a disclaimer: take it as it's posted there. Whether it's real or not, I can't say. I suspect it is, but all I can do is tell what I found on their page.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:12:52 PM
The most misleading stat US News uses is the overall ranking. If they just published the scores (100 for Yale, 63 for BU, etc.) people would freak out much less. When someone realizes the difference between 30 and 50 was 3 points (hypothetically speaking), all of a sudden it's not so bad.

Says the guy who has gotten into UVA and NYU...

 :P

and said, though he claims to have been kidding, that UVA is now out.

 :-*

This was my first attempt at bolding a smiley, so nothing may have happened.

Z, my girlfriend's going to be pissed!

Harvard 90 percent the school Yale is... hmm. I'm not so sure that's so obviously wrong.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:13:05 PM
I would still go to UVA over NYU. 

me too. if only i had that chance.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:13:45 PM
G-Dub taking a small drop while Emory improves and matches them... this is the kind of stuff that will give me an ulcer...

haha yes, i'm sure. Especially when Emory will be cheaper and full time the whole time.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:14:01 PM
I would still go to UVA over NYU. 

I might still. I know I'm going to love UVA's atmosphere. It's not an easy choice, because I lurve NYC and would love to be there for 3 years as a carefree student.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:14:50 PM
I would still go to UVA over NYU. 

I might still. I know I'm going to love UVA's atmosphere. It's not an easy choice, because I lurve NYC and would love to be there for 3 years as a carefree student.

Go to NYU.

As long as you graduate and breath, you're financially set for life.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:15:41 PM
I would still go to UVA over NYU. 

I might still. I know I'm going to love UVA's atmosphere. It's not an easy choice, because I lurve NYC and would love to be there for 3 years as a carefree student.

Go to NYU.

As long as you graduate and breath, you're financially set for life.

as opposed to the terrible financial situation you'll be in from UVa?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: EEtoJD on March 27, 2007, 02:15:58 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 27, 2007, 02:16:08 PM
I know the 2nd tier is unknown to most of you, but does anyone have a damn clue how USD dropped from 65 to 85?  Best school in its region, very high LSATs for a T2 and 22nd best ranked faculty in the country.

Anyone have a clue WTF happened here?

You seem to be defining region very narrowly.

I'm defining it as San Diego as LA takes most of the USC, UCLA, etc grads.

Temple is then the best school in Philly as NYC tends to take most of the Penn grads.

No, because Penn is IN Philly.  

USD is IN San Diego.  No other better school is IN San Diego.  The next closest school is in LA which is equal distance as compared with Philly to NYC.

Stop trying to be a wise ass, you're doing a poor job.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:16:26 PM
I would still go to UVA over NYU. 

I might still. I know I'm going to love UVA's atmosphere. It's not an easy choice, because I lurve NYC and would love to be there for 3 years as a carefree student.

Go to NYU.

As long as you graduate and breath, you're financially set for life.

as opposed to the terrible financial situation you'll be in from UVa?

No, either school, he's set.  He might as well have more fun in NYC while he's in school.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:16:33 PM
I would still go to UVA over NYU. 

I might still. I know I'm going to love UVA's atmosphere. It's not an easy choice, because I lurve NYC and would love to be there for 3 years as a carefree student.

Go to NYU.

As long as you graduate and breath, you're financially set for life.

My dilemmae are well documented. While the above may be true, I probably don't want that job; I'd probably rather have the job I can just as easily get from UVA. But I love NYC. I won't set out the whole thing again; suffice it to say I'm wholly undecided.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:17:37 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

Wow, TLS got accredited?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 02:17:59 PM
The most misleading stat US News uses is the overall ranking. If they just published the scores (100 for Yale, 63 for BU, etc.) people would freak out much less. When someone realizes the difference between 30 and 50 was 3 points (hypothetically speaking), all of a sudden it's not so bad.

Says the guy who has gotten into UVA and NYU...

 :P

and said, though he claims to have been kidding, that UVA is now out.

 :-*

This was my first attempt at bolding a smiley, so nothing may have happened.

Z, my girlfriend's going to be pissed!

Harvard 90 percent the school Yale is... hmm. I'm not so sure that's so obviously wrong.

Umh, I think I was kissing Villefort, and not you.

No offense but V lent me an un-laundered shirt and so forth.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 02:18:04 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

Ha!  Post that on xo.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:18:05 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

Wow, TLS got accredited?

BOOYAH!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: FunkyzeitmitBruno on March 27, 2007, 02:18:15 PM
Can somebody post a screenshot showing the whole T14?

If its been done already, can somebody link me there?

Oh yeah, Penn is overrated, NYU is a bit overrated, but it is on the up and up. Its rep scores are pretty strong now and will be improving. They now exceed UMich and Boalt.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bill612mass on March 27, 2007, 02:18:26 PM
When I first tried to log-in to USNEWS, it was the old rankings.  Just switched to these new rankings 5 minutes ago.  BUT, if I click on an individual school, it displays last year's rank...at least for the couple I checked.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: latinlord on March 27, 2007, 02:18:34 PM
I was able to see the new ranking too for a small period in time, i copied it, when i tried to check out the new 3rd and 4th tier the site wouldn't let me. Now i can't see the new rankings yet. On a side note of anger and rage I think it is such bull that IU-INDY dropped!! damit!! from 77 to 85.... i'm very sad.. Oh well, we are still a T2, but damit this happens, a lot of surprises with Stetson finally getting into the top 100 and Penn state back in the top 100!!  :'( :'( :'(
 


Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Jihad_Jesus on March 27, 2007, 02:18:54 PM
Everyone involved with this thread needs to get a life and take inventory on potential ways to derive joy from existence.  
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

titcr

UVA could be just as fun as NYC for some people.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Captain on March 27, 2007, 02:19:27 PM
G-Dub taking a small drop while Emory improves and matches them... this is the kind of stuff that will give me an ulcer...

haha yes, i'm sure. Especially when Emory will be cheaper and full time the whole time.

Of course, GW has to go back up in the rankings, right? It's a good school, closer to the NE where I want to work...

Then again, this is a good sign for Emory's reputation.

IF ANY OF THIS IS TRUE.

disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

Wow, TLS got accredited?

Provisionally accredited...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: FunkyzeitmitBruno on March 27, 2007, 02:20:24 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

If XOXO passes LSD next year, I will never post on LSD again and devote my efforts to WGWAG, 180, TitCream posts on XOXO

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:20:27 PM
When I first tried to log-in to USNEWS, it was the old rankings.  Just switched to these new rankings 5 minutes ago.  BUT, if I click on an individual school, it displays last year's rank...at least for the couple I checked.

Could you post the T2 schools?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: jdhu on March 27, 2007, 02:21:32 PM
Does anyone see American in the new rankings?  If so, my apologies, I have the flu and cannot think...

But I checked twice, searched for it, just do not see American in the new rankings...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Schruted on March 27, 2007, 02:21:47 PM
Taking bets on Johnny's inevitably easy choice:

NYU 1-10
UVA 3-1
Other 20-1
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:22:15 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

Agreed. I <3 slow-pitch softball to the extreme, plus I missed out on big-time sports in undergrad... the ACC is no joke and is a huge draw for me.

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

titcr

UVA could be just as fun as NYC for some people.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: latinlord on March 27, 2007, 02:22:21 PM
HERE IS A GIFT FROM THE NUMBER ONE UNDERDOGG EVER YOUR GOOD BUDDY LATINLORD: T2 BABY


Arizona State University (O'Connor)  
51 
 
Yeshiva University (Cardozo) (NY)
52 
 
Baylor University (TX)
53 
 
Case Western Reserve University (OH)
53 
 
Florida State University  
53 
 
University of Tennessee-Knoxville  
53 
 
University of Cincinnati  
57 
 
University of Pittsburgh  
57 
 
University of Utah (Quinney)  
57

Brooklyn Law School (NY)
60 
Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent)  
60
Temple University (Beasley) (PA)
60 
 
University of Houston  
60

University of Kentucky  
60

Villanova University (PA)
60 
 
Loyola Law School (CA)
66 
 
Pepperdine University (CA)
66 
 
University of Kansas  
66 
 
University of Missouri-Columbia  
66
 
Loyola University Chicago  
70 
 
Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey-Camden  
70 
 
Seton Hall University (NJ)
70 
St. John's University (NY)
70 
 
University of Miami (FL)
70 
 
University of New Mexico  
70 
 
University of Oklahoma  
70 
 
Rutgers, the State University of New Jersey-Newark  
77 
 
University at Buffalo-SUNY  
77 
 
University of Denver (Sturm)  
77 
 
University of Nebraska-Lincoln  
77 
 
University of Richmond (VA)
77 
 
Georgia State University  
82 
 
Lewis and Clark College (Northwestern) (OR)
82 
 
University of Oregon  
82 
Indiana University-Indianapolis  
85 
 
Northeastern University (MA)
85 
 
Seattle University  
85 
 
St. Louis University  
85
 
University of San Diego  
85 
 
University of Toledo (OH)
85
 
DePaul University (IL)
91
 
Louisiana State University-Baton Rouge  
91 
 
Pennsylvania State University (Dickinson)  
91
 
Santa Clara University (CA)
91 
 
University of Hawaii (Richardson)  
91 
 
University of South Carolina  
91 
 
Catholic University of America (Columbus) (DC)
97 
 
Marquette University (WI)
97 
 
University of Louisville (Brandeis) (KY)
97 
 
Mercer University (GA)
100
 
Stetson University (FL)
100
 
University of Nevada-Las Vegas (Boyd)  
100
 
University of San Francisco  
100

University of the Pacific (McGeorge) (CA)
100


Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:23:19 PM
Taking bets on Johnny's inevitably easy choice:

NYU 1-10
UVA 3-1
Other 20-1

Yes, my path to financial security is assured forever!!! I'll wager everything I own on Other. Also, I just sent my deposit to Georgetown.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bill612mass on March 27, 2007, 02:23:46 PM
Does anyone see American in the new rankings?  If so, my apologies, I have the flu and cannot think...

But I checked twice, searched for it, just do not see American in the new rankings...

american is ranked 47 according to what i printed
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:23:55 PM
Thanks, latinlord
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kittyl30 on March 27, 2007, 02:23:58 PM
Given GW's overenrollment last year, does anyone think that it will jump back up to 19 (or maybe even higher with all the money they are giving away) next year, and push BU back down to 22?  I think this may just be a temporary jump for BU based on other circumstances than its own performance.


BU was number 20 2006. not like its crazy that they are their again (they were tied with GW, and then in 2007 GW moved to 19 and BU was only 22 b/c more schools were tied as 19)

that said i prob think next year GW will surpass BU again and bring BU down to 22. but it being 20 is not that huge a surprise

dammit why couldnt GW have been "giving all this $$ away" when i got in there?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 02:24:13 PM
Taking bets on Johnny's inevitably easy choice:

NYU 1-10
UVA 3-1
Other 20-1

Yes, my path to financial security is assured forever!!! I'll wager everything I own on Other. Also, I just sent my deposit to Georgetown.

you know that you have to pay to breathe in NYC right?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: vzuffante on March 27, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
are the top 50 posted with all the details anywhere on this thread? I can't seem to find it....
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:25:35 PM
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=95293&highlight=#95293 i think deserves TLS praise.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:26:20 PM
are the top 50 posted with all the details anywhere on this thread? I can't seem to find it....

i did at first and then decided it was a bad idea to publish information that will almost certainly have to be paid for.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: nochance on March 27, 2007, 02:26:26 PM
Does anyone have T3 and T4 rankings?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 02:26:35 PM
oops, latinlord beat me to it.

latinlord, you may want to delete the details, because, as waitlist pointed out earlier, people would normally need to pay for them...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: latinlord on March 27, 2007, 02:26:58 PM
HERE IS THE TOP 50 FOR YOU: BOOOOO TOP 50, HAHA

Yale University (CT)

 
Harvard University (MA)
2
 
Stanford University (CA)

 
New York University  
4
 
Columbia University (NY)

 
University of Chicago  

 
University of Pennsylvania  
6
 
University of California-Berkeley  

 
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor  
8
 
Duke University (NC)
10
 
University of Virginia  
10
 
Northwestern University (IL)
12
 
Cornell University (NY)
13
 
Georgetown University (DC)
14
University of California-Los Angeles  
15
 
University of Southern California (Gould)  
16
 
Vanderbilt University (TN)
16

University of Texas-Austin  
18 
 
Washington University in St. Louis  
19

Boston University  
20

University of Minnesota-Twin Cities  
20 63

Emory University (GA)
22

George Washington University (DC)
22

University of Iowa  
24

Fordham University (NY)
25

University of Illinois-Urbana-Champaign  
25

Washington and Lee University (VA)
25 
 
Boston College  
28 
 
University of Notre Dame (IN)
28 
 
University of Washington  
28 
 
College of William and Mary (Marshall-Wythe) (VA)
31 
 
Ohio State University (Moritz)  
31 
 
University of Wisconsin-Madison  
31 
 
George Mason University (VA)
34

University of California-Davis  
34 
 
Indiana University-Bloomington  
36 
 
University of Alabama  
36 
 
University of California (Hastings)  
36
 
University of Colorado-Boulder  
36 
 
University of Georgia  
36 
 
University of Maryland  
36 
 
University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill  
36 
 
Wake Forest University (NC)
36
 
Brigham Young University (Clark) (UT)
44 
 
University of Arizona (Rogers)  
44 
 
Southern Methodist University (TX)
46 
 
American University (Washington) (DC)
47 
 
Tulane University (LA)
47 
 
University of Connecticut  
47 
 
University of Florida (Levin)  
47
 
Sorry didn't want to give out too much info, hehe still cherish you all.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: jdhu on March 27, 2007, 02:27:39 PM
Does anyone see American in the new rankings?  If so, my apologies, I have the flu and cannot think...

But I checked twice, searched for it, just do not see American in the new rankings...

edit:  Found, didnt see in OP
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=95293&highlight=#95293 i think deserves TLS praise.


linking TLS thread...not prestigious. 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: latinlord on March 27, 2007, 02:29:18 PM
oops, latinlord beat me to it.

latinlord, you may want to delete the details, because, as waitlist pointed out earlier, people would normally need to pay for them...


hUM YEA YOUR RIGHT!! GOOD CALL
  I'LL GET ON THAT....... EVERYONE YOU HAVE UNTIL I CAN MODIFY IT TO SEE THE RANKINGS ..... THANK YOU
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mathlete on March 27, 2007, 02:29:26 PM
Just out of curiosity, are any of the science rankings up yet? Specifically, physics?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:31:50 PM
So I'm ignorant about UF... did they drop like the dean predicted?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: RUMike on March 27, 2007, 02:32:01 PM
I must say I'm thrilled about the Fordham leap.

Anyone who doubts NYU has never been to the East Village...and if you think Morningside Heights is where it's at...well...you're not from the tri-state area, and don't realize how much better lower Manhattan is and the immense name that NYU carries locally.

Also, I totally support the Penn leap. NYC and Philly schools are finally where they belong.

Also, I find the RU-C, SHU, and SJU tie at 70 quite interesting. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:32:16 PM
So I'm ignorant about UF... did they drop like the dean predicted?

If so, very little.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: EEtoJD on March 27, 2007, 02:34:34 PM
Hey Reach:


MICHIGAN Rep Scores: 4.5/4/6.

So they swapped peer assessment and lawyer/judge rep? I kinda like that. :P
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Law on March 27, 2007, 02:34:51 PM
So I'm trying to decide between Duke and UVA... now I can't even use USNews to separate them anymore...   :P
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:35:16 PM
So I'm trying to decide between Duke and UVA... now I can't even use USNews to separate them anymore...   :P

Simple choice: UVA
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 27, 2007, 02:35:34 PM
According to lawyers and judges, Vandy = Georgetown.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: EEtoJD on March 27, 2007, 02:36:22 PM
happy to see the cleaned up version i reordered and put michigan > UC Berkeley even though they are tied at 8 make it to xoxo

alphabetical order be damned!

 :D :D :D Yeah, I thought that was the shiz. Maybe if enough people see that, they'll believe that Mich is actually above Boalt. Then I can dance on top of Boalt and ask them how they like it. Bastards. :P
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Miss P on March 27, 2007, 02:39:15 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Commie Panda on March 27, 2007, 02:41:51 PM
Wow, I also just realized the huge jump for UIUC...it used to be 34 or something, right?

How sad it'd be if we're all obsessing over these "new rankings" and it turns out they were just a screw-up  :P
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:42:00 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

*confused*
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:42:07 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:42:21 PM
Wow, I also just realized the huge jump for UIUC...it used to be 34 or something, right?

How sad it'd be if we're all obsessing over these "new rankings" and it turns out they were just a screw-up  :P

I've got nothing else to do.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Commie Panda on March 27, 2007, 02:43:05 PM
Wow, I don't know if I've ever seen a thread this active before...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 02:43:19 PM
Wow, I also just realized the huge jump for UIUC...it used to be 34 or something, right?

How sad it'd be if we're all obsessing over these "new rankings" and it turns out they were just a screw-up  :P

I've got nothing else to do.

Yeah, it's not like I'm working or anything.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: WCL02 on March 27, 2007, 02:43:26 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships?  Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission.  
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:44:14 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships? Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission.  


Maybe, maybe not.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 02:45:55 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships?  Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission. 

Anyone have the 2010 rankings handy?

damn! beat me to it! i was going to say the same thing.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 02:46:26 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships?  Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission. 

Anyone have the 2010 rankings handy?

aww, shoot, i left them at home.

but actually this is part of why i think rankings need to be considered within the context of their trends and not the particular year you happen to be applying.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ksigman123 on March 27, 2007, 02:47:14 PM
these rankings are important for 1L jobs...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:47:16 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships?  Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission. 

Anyone have the 2010 rankings handy?

aww, shoot, i left them at home.

but actually this is part of why i think rankings need to be considered within the context of their trends and not the particular year you happen to be applying.

Well said.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Miss P on March 27, 2007, 02:47:53 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

Apologies for the pedantry.  I have so very few skills that I pounce when I have the opportunity to use them.  Also, it was a valiant effort.  Dilemma is 3rd declension neuter, but if it were 1st declension (feminine), you would have it right.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 02:48:22 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

my god, johnny, how did you get into UVA and NYU without being able to pluralize latin properly.

i am sorely disappointed son
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 02:48:56 PM
Miss P, you speak Latin?  Sultry!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: EEtoJD on March 27, 2007, 02:49:20 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

Wow, TLS got accredited?

I like their initials. Without this important consideration, it's more like:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. My cat Binks (he moderates discussion between my other cat Cheney and me all the time)
4. My friends
5. My mom
6. TLS
7. My stepdad (in all fairness, he couldn't give a *&^%, and at least TLS tries)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Miss P on March 27, 2007, 02:52:13 PM
Miss P, you speak Latin?  Sultry!

Well, I can decline a noun or two.  I can hardly speak English.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Talkinghead on March 27, 2007, 02:52:39 PM
24 pages of posts in 2 hours. over something that is really a bunch of dogshit.  
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Miss P on March 27, 2007, 02:53:31 PM
I thought TLS would be under "Other Law School Discussion Boards to Consider (Tiers 3 & 4)."
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: cougar155 on March 27, 2007, 02:54:12 PM
Go Houston! Up 10 spots. Thank goodness for the new dean. Now get closer to SMU and UT.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Hank Rearden on March 27, 2007, 02:54:24 PM
Miss P, you speak Latin?  Sultry!

Well, I can decline a noun or two.  I can hardly speak English.

Sigh.  False modesty never won fair lady!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Miss P on March 27, 2007, 02:54:52 PM
24 pages of posts in 2 hours. over something that is really a bunch of dogshit.  

You obviously haven't spent enought time here if you think this merits notice.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 27, 2007, 02:55:20 PM
I thought TLS would be under "Other Law School Discussion Boards to Consider (Tiers 3 & 4)."

Credited.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bohemian_revolution on March 27, 2007, 02:56:42 PM
Ouch, I wasn't expecting the GW drop :/
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 02:57:43 PM
Ouch, I wasn't expecting the GW drop :/

Is that where you're going?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: EEtoJD on March 27, 2007, 02:57:53 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships?  Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission. 

Anyone have the 2010 rankings handy?

Not the whole thing, just the T14:

1.  Princeton
2.  Yale
3.  Harvard
3.  NYU
5.  Stanford
6.  Columbia
7.  Michigan
7.  Penn
9.  Brown
9.  Chicago
11. Boalt
12. UVa
13. Duke
14. Georgetown (in perpetuity)

HTH.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bohemian_revolution on March 27, 2007, 02:59:40 PM
Ouch, I wasn't expecting the GW drop :/

Is that where you're going?

Maybe. Still waiting on more decisions and have some non law options on the table.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 03:02:02 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

my god, johnny, how did you get into UVA and NYU without being able to pluralize latin properly.

i am sorely disappointed son

You forget that I majored in linguistics. When it comes to language, I do what I want. None of this prescriptivist bull for me.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 03:02:12 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships?  Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission. 

Anyone have the 2010 rankings handy?

Not the whole thing, just the T14:

1.  Princeton
2.  Yale
3.  Harvard
3.  NYU
5.  Stanford
6.  Columbia
7.  Michigan
7.  Penn
9.  Brown
9.  Chicago
11. Boalt
12. UVa
13. Duke
14. Georgetown (in perpetuity)

HTH.

ouch, no Cornell love eh?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 27, 2007, 03:05:16 PM
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Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 03:08:24 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

my god, johnny, how did you get into UVA and NYU without being able to pluralize latin properly.

i am sorely disappointed son

You forget that I majored in linguistics. When it comes to language, I do what I want. None of this prescriptivist bull for me.

well, excccuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me....i'm a HISTORY major, so i can say with authority that people who cannot conjugate latin correctly, more than not, meet a dismal end. hello, ceasar? the only thing he could conjugate was "es tu, brutus?" lame.

i have no idea what that word means, haha
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: EEtoJD on March 27, 2007, 03:09:22 PM
Has it occurred to anyone that the a school's ranking at the time of admission is meaningless in comparison to its ranking in the spring of 2nd year when you interview for summer associateships?  Rankings are probably more relevant upon graduation than they are at admission. 

Anyone have the 2010 rankings handy?

Not the whole thing, just the T14:

1.  Princeton
2.  Yale
3.  Harvard
3.  NYU
5.  Stanford
6.  Columbia
7.  Michigan
7.  Penn
9.  Brown
9.  Chicago
11. Boalt
12. UVa
13. Duke
14. Georgetown (in perpetuity)

HTH.

So NU buys Princeton's name and spacelaw program and PWNS everyone? SWeet!

Actually, they combine with Cornell to form a NY/NJ/Chi megaschool with an emphasis on work history and spacelaw. The build bridges between each campus with bullet trains that travel 500 mph, but only people majoring in spacelaw can ride them. Which, luckily, is everyone, since they now require it [kinda like Michigan and international (oops, I mean transnational) law].
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 03:10:43 PM
shhh...it's "et," not "es."

though i've tried to block the Latin out...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 03:11:45 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

my god, johnny, how did you get into UVA and NYU without being able to pluralize latin properly.

i am sorely disappointed son

You forget that I majored in linguistics. When it comes to language, I do what I want. None of this prescriptivist bull for me.

well, excccuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me....i'm a HISTORY major, so i can say with authority that people who cannot conjugate latin correctly, more than not, meet a dismal end. hello, ceasar? the only thing he could conjugate was "es tu, brutus?" lame.

i have no idea what that word means, haha

Prescriptivist = setting out rules on how people should talk.

I prefer descriptivism: basically if the shoe fits (or at least is communicable), then who cares.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 03:12:31 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

my god, johnny, how did you get into UVA and NYU without being able to pluralize latin properly.

i am sorely disappointed son

You forget that I majored in linguistics. When it comes to language, I do what I want. None of this prescriptivist bull for me.

well, excccuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me....i'm a HISTORY major, so i can say with authority that people who cannot conjugate latin correctly, more than not, meet a dismal end. hello, ceasar? the only thing he could conjugate was "es tu, brutus?" lame.

i have no idea what that word means, haha

Prescriptivist = setting out rules on how people should talk.

I prefer descriptivism: basically if the shoe fits (or at least is communicable), then who cares.

You sound like Blue.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 03:12:56 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

my god, johnny, how did you get into UVA and NYU without being able to pluralize latin properly.

i am sorely disappointed son

You forget that I majored in linguistics. When it comes to language, I do what I want. None of this prescriptivist bull for me.

well, excccuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me....i'm a HISTORY major, so i can say with authority that people who cannot conjugate latin correctly, more than not, meet a dismal end. hello, ceasar? the only thing he could conjugate was "es tu, brutus?" lame.

i have no idea what that word means, haha

Conjugation of Latin is more important than spelling even. ;)

Caeser did cease, to be fair.

But did he caese? I think not.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 03:14:18 PM
dilemmae

::raises eyebrow::

No one else bit?  If we're speaking Latin here, I believe you'd have dilemmata on your hands.

Well damn, I was hoping it was an actual plural form. Oh well.

I was equally devestated to learn that penii is not the plural of penis (it's penes if you want to be fun).

my god, johnny, how did you get into UVA and NYU without being able to pluralize latin properly.

i am sorely disappointed son

You forget that I majored in linguistics. When it comes to language, I do what I want. None of this prescriptivist bull for me.

well, excccuuuuuuuuusssseeeee me....i'm a HISTORY major, so i can say with authority that people who cannot conjugate latin correctly, more than not, meet a dismal end. hello, ceasar? the only thing he could conjugate was "es tu, brutus?" lame.

i have no idea what that word means, haha

Prescriptivist = setting out rules on how people should talk.

I prefer descriptivism: basically if the shoe fits (or at least is communicable), then who cares.

You sound like Blue.

SHHHH!!!! No telling!!!

Also, now that the new rankings have wreaked havoc on your confidence in your law school decision, come to this thread and I'll make your decision for you!

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,85286.0.html
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: H4CS on March 27, 2007, 03:15:37 PM
Coxless is to Iowa as Spaulding is to Stanford.

What the hell is this doing here?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Ravynous Elegance on March 27, 2007, 03:17:13 PM
I can also access the new rankings... but tag anyway :)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: cwalk on March 27, 2007, 03:23:13 PM
Was Pepperdine's jump from 87 to 66 the largest?  Well done Waves.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: skip on March 27, 2007, 03:24:11 PM
sorry if this has been mentioned, but did wisconsin drop out of tier one?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: radioface on March 27, 2007, 03:25:02 PM
24 pages of posts in 2 hours. over something that is really a bunch of dogshit.  

You obviously haven't spent enought time here if you think this merits notice.

he'll probably take that as a compliment. I would
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 27, 2007, 03:25:42 PM
sorry if this has been mentioned, but did wisconsin drop out of tier one?

No, it was just omitted from one of the posts. Wisco is tied with W&M and Ohio State at #31.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bill612mass on March 27, 2007, 03:45:15 PM
still some weird stuff going on at USNEWS - now tier 3/4 are back to last years rankings.  And if you click on a school, still last years rankings
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 03:46:27 PM
still some weird stuff going on at USNEWS - now tier 3/4 are back to last years rankings.  And if you click on a school, still last years rankings

now you know where their priorities lie

they can't even bother themselves to rank within the 4th tier, or am i wrong?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: alphadog24 on March 27, 2007, 03:53:17 PM
Uh, someone please print out the rankings for Top 100, scan them to pc, and post. Thanks.

Some of us spent all our money on application fees and dont have $15 for US news.  ;D
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Team Pam on March 27, 2007, 03:54:42 PM
I can't look away, even though I want to.  So, tag.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Na on March 27, 2007, 03:59:41 PM
I bought a hard copy of the rankings today (was surprised to find a stack of them in B&N) and although I didn't check the OP's entire list, it seems to match up. Not sure if I'm allowed to post scans; if so I'll work on it.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Schruted on March 27, 2007, 04:01:28 PM
Na, if you could scan the top 50 for MBA and MD, too, that would be extra-sweet. Don't mind at all if you don't. Just curious.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: DutchessA on March 27, 2007, 04:02:39 PM
Can someone please post the T3 and T4...thank you.  In particular, where is Chapman.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bill612mass on March 27, 2007, 04:03:51 PM
Can someone please post the T3 and T4...thank you.  In particular, where is Chapman.

Chapman is Tier 4
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Quail! on March 27, 2007, 04:08:38 PM
Uh, someone please print out the rankings for Top 100, scan them to pc, and post. Thanks.

Some of us spent all our money on application fees and dont have $15 for US news. ;D

srsly? print and scan?

scrnshtpwnd?

On second thought, print it out, type it up, then print it out, scan it, and post it.

With a picture of corresponding genitalia and/or lemon cake.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: LZ21 on March 27, 2007, 04:19:14 PM
Can someone please scan and post?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 27, 2007, 04:23:52 PM
Can someone please scan and post?

how do you post a scan?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 04:24:54 PM
Uh, someone please print out the rankings for Top 100, scan them to pc, and post. Thanks.

Some of us spent all our money on application fees and dont have $15 for US news. ;D

srsly? print and scan?
honestly, you better just fax over an order directly to usnews, have them process, send snail mail with delivery confirmation, read, re-read, THEN scan to PC and post.
scrnshtpwnd?

On second thought, print it out, type it up, then print it out, scan it, and post it.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Captain on March 27, 2007, 04:25:23 PM
According to lawyers and judges, Vandy = Georgetown.

Vandy > Georgetown

Georgetown = TTT Tech.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 04:25:30 PM
sorry

honestly, you better just fax over an order directly to usnews, have them process, send snail mail with delivery confirmation, read, re-read, THEN scan to PC and post.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: yeacrew on March 27, 2007, 04:26:17 PM
actually can someone write it out by hand in black or blue ink and then fax it to me?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ishi on March 27, 2007, 04:27:36 PM
Here's something crazy: my friend - not an attorney or law student - just emailed me about the leaked rankings!  I have no idea how he heard about it, but apparently it's getting around pretty quickly.  I asked him how he heard but haven't heard back from him yet.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 04:28:23 PM
heres something crazy, that post is not very crazy.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Quail! on March 27, 2007, 04:29:28 PM
Here's something crazy: my friend - not an attorney or law student - just emailed me about the leaked rankings!  I have no idea how he heard about it, but apparently it's getting around pretty quickly.  I asked him how he heard but haven't heard back from him yet.

He probably jerks off to TLS, and ran across it there
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 04:29:51 PM
i wish I had chest hair.

 :-[
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Rockie on March 27, 2007, 04:32:13 PM
It's official. I bought the new ones earlier based on this thread and it hadn't updated. I just refreshed and I have the new rankings! Cheers.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 27, 2007, 04:32:42 PM
It would be easier for me if you copy it onto a sheet of papyrus and then get it to my apartment via carrier pigeon.

Hope that isn't too much trouble.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 04:33:57 PM
It would be easier for me if you copy it onto a sheet of papyrus and then get it to my apartment via carrier pigeon.

Hope that isn't too much trouble.


def, the best one.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: windycindy on March 27, 2007, 04:35:56 PM
i wish I had chest hair.

 :-[

It appears from your self-tar that you have one.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mrsdclare on March 27, 2007, 04:36:18 PM
ok its official, I havent got anything done today cause I keep checking this damn post!  ;D 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Bob Loblaw, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 04:37:12 PM
i wish I had chest hair.

 :-[

It appears from your self-tar that you have one.

very little, very little.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: SilentSwirl on March 27, 2007, 04:37:53 PM
ok its official, I havent got anything done today cause I keep checking this damn post site!  ;D 

Welcome to our lives.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mrsdclare on March 27, 2007, 04:38:53 PM
Between this, status checkers, and checking the mail I am worthless ;) and yet I cant pry myself away  ::) and when I logged onto Yahoo I expected it to be listed on the breaking news that the new rankings were out, because everyone else in the world is as obsessed as we are  ;D
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Captain on March 27, 2007, 04:43:48 PM
It's official. I bought the new ones earlier based on this thread and it hadn't updated. I just refreshed and I have the new rankings! Cheers.

I don't. :(
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: latinlord on March 27, 2007, 04:43:57 PM
Between this, status checkers, and checking the mail I am worthless ;) and yet I cant pry myself away  ::) and when I logged onto Yahoo I expected it to be listed on the breaking news that the new rankings were out, because everyone else in the world is as obsessed as we are  ;D

HAHAH i'm in Constitutional Law right now, reading this stuff, i am worthless today!! Maybe also b/c it is such a sunny day here in INDY also.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: mrsdclare on March 27, 2007, 04:45:47 PM
ok I think I will pry myself away long enough to go get a mani/pedi.  What can I say, I am on to bigger and better things ;) lol
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 27, 2007, 04:46:08 PM
It's official. I bought the new ones earlier based on this thread and it hadn't updated. I just refreshed and I have the new rankings! Cheers.

I don't. :(

clear your cookies and refresh your browser.  it worked for me.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kaz2k on March 27, 2007, 04:47:22 PM
I logged in and got the new rankings... when I refreshed it went back to the old rankings.  It looks like someone on their end accidentally published!   ;D  If this isn't some conspiracy by USNEWS I am very happy Emory is now #22!!!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 27, 2007, 04:50:26 PM
now when i log in i get the old version.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iowa hopeful on March 27, 2007, 05:03:23 PM
Can someone please post the T3 and T4...thank you.  In particular, where is Chapman.

Chapman is Tier 4

What about University of St. Thomas (Minnesota)?  Can someone please check to see if that is Tier 4 or Tier 3?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: HeckBoy on March 27, 2007, 05:07:24 PM
tag. now i gotta sift thru this whole thread to see if anyone's posted the other rankings...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: msulaw08 on March 27, 2007, 05:08:52 PM
Does anyone know whether Michigan State is tier 3 or tier 4?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Forget Money, Read a Book on March 27, 2007, 05:10:20 PM
Anyone thinking about next year's rankings yet? I know, I know, its ridiculous, but honestly I kinda am...I need an intervention.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: KillYourself on March 27, 2007, 05:14:39 PM
Get help...........IMMEDIATELY.

Also for the record, why the hell do people care if their school is in Tier 3 or 4?  Unless it's borderline Tier2/Tier3 and you think it might make a jump up or down, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Just pick the school you feel most comfortable at and where you think you can excel while receiving a decent education.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: bamf on March 27, 2007, 05:16:11 PM
Get help...........IMMEDIATELY.

Also for the record, why the hell do people care if their school is in Tier 3 or 4?  Unless it's borderline Tier2/Tier3 and you think it might make a jump up or down, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Just pick the school you feel mots comfortable at and where you think you can excel while receiving a decent education.

TITCR
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 27, 2007, 05:19:08 PM
Get help...........IMMEDIATELY.

Also for the record, why the hell do people care if their school is in Tier 3 or 4?  Unless it's borderline Tier2/Tier3 and you think it might make a jump up or down, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Just pick the school you feel mots comfortable at and where you think you can excel while receiving a decent education.

TITCR

Agreed.
Though, one can argue that the rankings are meaningless beyond the Top 25/Top 50 as well.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Mr. Burnz on March 27, 2007, 05:20:36 PM
If you still can't get the new rankings...

1) Close down all your Internet Explorer windows
2) Go to your cookies folder (usually at C:\Documents and Settings\YOURUSERNAME\Cookies)--it may be HIDDEN so you might need to type it into the address bar,
3) Delete the cookies @usnews.com and @www.usnews.com (just these 2). 
4) Go back to the US News website and login BEFORE you access the rankings.
5) Enjoy.

PS: I logged out and when I came back, the old rankings returned.  I went and deleted my cookies again and they came back.  Figures...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: msulaw08 on March 27, 2007, 05:23:42 PM
Get help...........IMMEDIATELY.

Also for the record, why the hell do people care if their school is in Tier 3 or 4?  Unless it's borderline Tier2/Tier3 and you think it might make a jump up or down, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Just pick the school you feel most comfortable at and where you think you can excel while receiving a decent education.

I enrolled at MSU when they were a border T2/T3 school (2 yr ago) and last year they dropped to T4 (allegedly because of mistakes in reporting) ... curious if there were really "mistakes".
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: TheRealDeal on March 27, 2007, 05:23:55 PM
Get help...........IMMEDIATELY.

Also for the record, why the hell do people care if their school is in Tier 3 or 4?  Unless it's borderline Tier2/Tier3 and you think it might make a jump up or down, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Just pick the school you feel mots comfortable at and where you think you can excel while receiving a decent education.

TITCR

Agreed.
Though, one can argue that the rankings are meaningless beyond the Top 25/Top 50 as well.

Subtle Fordham troll.  
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 27, 2007, 05:28:12 PM
Get help...........IMMEDIATELY.

Also for the record, why the hell do people care if their school is in Tier 3 or 4?  Unless it's borderline Tier2/Tier3 and you think it might make a jump up or down, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Just pick the school you feel mots comfortable at and where you think you can excel while receiving a decent education.

TITCR

Agreed.
Though, one can argue that the rankings are meaningless beyond the Top 25/Top 50 as well.

Subtle Fordham troll. 

Hardly. Fordham got lucky.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: KillYourself on March 27, 2007, 05:41:49 PM
So, University of Hawaii dropped out of the second tier. :(

Don't worry, U of Hawaii is slightly less TTT because it's the only law school in the state, and it's frickin Hawaii.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 27, 2007, 05:42:19 PM
So, University of Hawaii dropped out of the second tier. :(

Well, as the only ABA law school in the Pacific Ocean and for thousands of miles, I suspect Hawaii Law grads will continue doing just fine. Particularly with the new Volcano Law Clinic.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 05:46:48 PM
So, University of Hawaii dropped out of the second tier. :(

Well, as the only ABA law school in the Pacific Ocean and for thousands of miles, I suspect Hawaii Law grads will continue doing just fine. Particularly with the new Volcano Law Clinic.

What?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 27, 2007, 05:48:39 PM
So, University of Hawaii dropped out of the second tier. :(

Well, as the only ABA law school in the Pacific Ocean and for thousands of miles, I suspect Hawaii Law grads will continue doing just fine. Particularly with the new Volcano Law Clinic.

What?

 ... and their SURFLAW clinic is unrivaled.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: butter tart on March 27, 2007, 06:04:49 PM
Get help...........IMMEDIATELY.

Also for the record, why the hell do people care if their school is in Tier 3 or 4?  Unless it's borderline Tier2/Tier3 and you think it might make a jump up or down, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Just pick the school you feel most comfortable at and where you think you can excel while receiving a decent education.

I enrolled at MSU when they were a border T2/T3 school (2 yr ago) and last year they dropped to T4 (allegedly because of mistakes in reporting) ... curious if there were really "mistakes".

MSU is back to T3. 
N/A 2.2 3.0 3.05-3.67 155-160 40.2% 20.0 N/A  86.4% 77.6%/MI 74%

UDM is T4.
N/A 1.5 1.8 3.00-3.50 147-153 46.2% 17.8 N/A  89.9% 69.2%/MI 74%

Toledo is #85
40 2.0 2.4 3.02-3.82 155-160 21.5% 14.1 84.8%  96.4% 78.1%/OH 80%

and I can't seem to find Wayne.  Seriously, I've looked like 5 times and Wayne is nowhere to be found.  I'll check again tomorrow.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: HeckBoy on March 27, 2007, 06:44:56 PM
anyone got a handy guide to what other pages in this thread have rankings on them?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: HeckBoy on March 27, 2007, 06:47:44 PM
anyone got a handy guide to what other pages in this thread have rankings on them?

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,85347.msg2100462.html#msg2100462

o wow thanks!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: daydreamer on March 27, 2007, 07:04:49 PM
so is the consensus that this is IT?  no hope for seeing something new on Friday?    :-\
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Captain on March 27, 2007, 07:05:45 PM
... and their SURFLAW clinic is unrivaled.

Can I get a vote for their Poiperty Law Program?
[/quote]

The last 10 General Councils for the SPAM Canned Pork Corp. have been Hawaii Law grads. SRSLY! (but not really).
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Captain on March 27, 2007, 07:13:32 PM
If you still can't get the new rankings...

1) Close down all your Internet Explorer windows
2) Go to your cookies folder (usually at C:\Documents and Settings\YOURUSERNAME\Cookies)--it may be HIDDEN so you might need to type it into the address bar,
3) Delete the cookies @usnews.com and @www.usnews.com (just these 2). 
4) Go back to the US News website and login BEFORE you access the rankings.
5) Enjoy.

PS: I logged out and when I came back, the old rankings returned.  I went and deleted my cookies again and they came back.  Figures...

DOES NOT WORK FOR ME
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: IF on March 27, 2007, 07:26:06 PM
Doesnt work for me either, and I pre-ordered.  I've got a hard time believing it till it works for me. Still, that so many ppl have said they got it makes me wonder...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 09:02:31 PM
Doesnt work for me either, and I pre-ordered.  I've got a hard time believing it till it works for me. Still, that so many ppl have said they got it makes me wonder...

I saw it, in real life--that doesn't mean I'm buying though (when I see it on the 30th, I'll buy in).  Maybe US News fixed their screw up of posting early??? 
Scandalous!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kitty782 on March 27, 2007, 09:13:40 PM
I believe it could happen--I guess we'll all have to wait until March 30 to see how it turns out.  The only reason I question is that the changes are so dramatic.  We'll see i guess!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kenny32 on March 27, 2007, 09:35:06 PM
I must say I'm thrilled about the Fordham leap.

Anyone who doubts NYU has never been to the East Village...and if you think Morningside Heights is where it's at...well...you're not from the tri-state area, and don't realize how much better lower Manhattan is and the immense name that NYU carries locally.

Also, I totally support the Penn leap. NYC and Philly schools are finally where they belong.

Also, I find the RU-C, SHU, and SJU tie at 70 quite interesting. Any thoughts?

agreed. although i never thought it would beat CLS because Columbia is Ivy league.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 09:43:55 PM
I must say I'm thrilled about the Fordham leap.

Anyone who doubts NYU has never been to the East Village...and if you think Morningside Heights is where it's at...well...you're not from the tri-state area, and don't realize how much better lower Manhattan is and the immense name that NYU carries locally.

Also, I totally support the Penn leap. NYC and Philly schools are finally where they belong.

Also, I find the RU-C, SHU, and SJU tie at 70 quite interesting. Any thoughts?

agreed. although i never thought it would beat CLS because Columbia is Ivy league.

Have you seen Penn's reputation ratings?
Where it belongs?  Not entirely clear that's true.

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5732
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: nochance on March 27, 2007, 09:46:24 PM
Can someone tell me where John Marshall (Chicago) is ranked?

Thanks.

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 27, 2007, 11:19:01 PM
Can someone tell me where John Marshall (Chicago) is ranked?

Thanks.



3rd Tier.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: StudentUVA on March 28, 2007, 12:48:24 AM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!
they fell because they accepted me. This was their fatal mistake.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Geo_Storm on March 28, 2007, 03:55:14 AM
Just refreshed and got the new rankings. Didn't even pay for the 2008 edition.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Geo_Storm on March 28, 2007, 03:58:19 AM
Just refreshed and got the new rankings. Didn't even pay for the 2008 edition.

it's gone.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: UChi2L on March 28, 2007, 06:16:30 AM
Can someone tell me where John Marshall (Chicago) is ranked?

Thanks.



3rd Tier.

Really??  If so, that's a big jump for them.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: elidad on March 28, 2007, 06:22:21 AM
Magazine is out and on the stands; got mine yesterday.  I have not checked every ranking, but have looked at top 10-20 and reports above seem on the money.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 28, 2007, 10:08:15 AM
Can someone tell me where John Marshall (Chicago) is ranked?

Thanks.



3rd Tier.

Really??  If so, that's a big jump for them.

I take that back, I misread what I was looking at. They are still 4th Tier. Now along with Northern Illinois, which I think is a bit of a shame.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 28, 2007, 10:11:41 AM
Can someone tell me where John Marshall (Chicago) is ranked?

Thanks.



3rd Tier.

Really??  If so, that's a big jump for them.

I take that back, I misread what I was looking at. They are still 4th Tier. Now along with Northern Illinois, which I think is a bit of a shame.


Oh that is kind of a shame.  They seem (to me anyway) like such an up and coming school.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: SugarJ on March 28, 2007, 10:11:52 AM
I haven't read any other pages in this beast of a thread, but Fordham jumped up quite a few spots!


I wonder how many people are going to change their decision based on the new rankings... ::) There were some interesting moves

Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 28, 2007, 10:20:25 AM
Can someone tell me where John Marshall (Chicago) is ranked?

Thanks.



3rd Tier.

Really??  If so, that's a big jump for them.

I take that back, I misread what I was looking at. They are still 4th Tier. Now along with Northern Illinois, which I think is a bit of a shame.


Oh that is kind of a shame.  They seem (to me anyway) like such an up and coming school.

Doesn't amyt go there for law school?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 28, 2007, 10:23:21 AM
Holy crap on the sass for sticking up for NIU.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 28, 2007, 10:24:39 AM
FYI.  NYU's wikipedia page is already updated calling themselves the "highest ranked law school in New York."  The source: Concurring Opinions.  Concurring Opinions' source: LSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University_School_of_Law
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 28, 2007, 10:25:22 AM
FYI.  NYU's wikipedia page is already updated calling themselves the "highest ranked law school in New York."  The source: Concurring Opinions.  Concurring Opinions' source: LSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University_School_of_Law

 :D Damn, that was fast.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: basal on March 28, 2007, 10:25:44 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: sladkaya on March 28, 2007, 10:31:09 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.

Can you post UT's reputation scores, please?  Both if you can! thx
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 28, 2007, 10:34:02 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.

Can you post UT's reputation scores, please?  Both if you can! thx

4.0/4.3
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: basal on March 28, 2007, 10:35:49 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.

Can you post UT's reputation scores, please?  Both if you can! thx

4.0/4.3

Yep!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 10:50:40 AM
FYI.  NYU's wikipedia page is already updated calling themselves the "highest ranked law school in New York."  The source: Concurring Opinions.  Concurring Opinions' source: LSD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University_School_of_Law

Yeah -- tht's for sure because I reordered Berkeley and michigan to put Michigan before Berkeley even though they are tied (both at 8), ignoring the alphabetical order thing, and that's how Concurring Opinions lists them too. :)

Awesome. Super cool.  ::)

((evil laugh))

Congrats, G. Coop! You're plagiarizable!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: sladkaya on March 28, 2007, 10:54:09 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.

Can you post UT's reputation scores, please?  Both if you can! thx

4.0/4.3

Yep!

Thanks guys!  So it looks like lower bar passage and jobs at graduation is what sunk UT in the rankings this year.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 28, 2007, 10:55:47 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.

Can you post UT's reputation scores, please?  Both if you can! thx

4.0/4.3

Yep!

Thanks guys!  So it looks like lower bar passage and jobs at graduation is what sunk UT in the rankings this year.

Vandy and USC now have equal LSAT medians and better GPA medians.  I think that was a major factor.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: sladkaya on March 28, 2007, 11:14:18 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.

Can you post UT's reputation scores, please?  Both if you can! thx

4.0/4.3

Yep!

Thanks guys!  So it looks like lower bar passage and jobs at graduation is what sunk UT in the rankings this year.

Vandy and USC now have equal LSAT medians and better GPA medians.  I think that was a major factor.

Hmm, well GPA went down quite a bit. But it went down for other schools in that range, and UT's 75% LSAT is still better than USC and Vandy. Personally, I'm more worried that compared to other peer schools, UT has the lowest percentage of grads employed 9 months after graduation (95% vs. 98% at USC and 99% at UCLA and Vandy).  I realize that statistic can be gamed, but still, that worries me, especially since UT graduates a huge class and that 2% drop over last year isn't just two people with no social skills.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: kenny32 on March 28, 2007, 11:16:22 AM
columbia's wikipedia page has not been updated.  ;)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 28, 2007, 11:22:03 AM
NYU's Dean of Admissions is going to roll around naked in a pile of USNWR rankings tonight, like that scene in Indecent Proposal.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 11:22:46 AM
NYU's Dean of Admissions is going to roll around naked in a pile of USNWR rankings tonight, like that scene in Indecent Proposal.

Is it really that big a deal to them? They've been there before...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 28, 2007, 11:28:12 AM
NYU's Dean of Admissions is going to roll around naked in a pile of USNWR rankings tonight, like that scene in Indecent Proposal.

Is it really that big a deal to them? They've been there before...

I wasn't aware that NYU had ever outranked Columbia before.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 28, 2007, 11:29:24 AM
I have the actual copy of the rankings. The rankings are accurate.

Can you post UT's reputation scores, please?  Both if you can! thx

4.0/4.3

Yep!

Thanks guys!  So it looks like lower bar passage and jobs at graduation is what sunk UT in the rankings this year.

Vandy and USC now have equal LSAT medians and better GPA medians.  I think that was a major factor.

Hmm, well GPA went down quite a bit. But it went down for other schools in that range, and UT's 75% LSAT is still better than USC and Vandy. Personally, I'm more worried that compared to other peer schools, UT has the lowest percentage of grads employed 9 months after graduation (95% vs. 98% at USC and 99% at UCLA and Vandy).  I realize that statistic can be gamed, but still, that worries me, especially since UT graduates a huge class and that 2% drop over last year isn't just two people with no social skills.

Vandy beats UT in unbiased firm placement studies.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Geo_Storm on March 28, 2007, 11:30:16 AM
anyone got the link to the old US News rankings?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 28, 2007, 11:30:49 AM
anyone got the link to the old US News rankings?

Aren't they still up?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: sladkaya on March 28, 2007, 11:39:22 AM
Vandy beats UT in unbiased firm placement studies.

Interesting, can you please give me a link?  Those are my top two choices, and I'd love any info on placement beyond what's on their websites.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: George Sr. on March 28, 2007, 11:43:30 AM
UT is a festering TTT in decline. They do produce excellent snipers though.
Go with Vanderbilt, you can end up like Al Gore.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iSalute on March 28, 2007, 11:45:29 AM
How the eff did San Diego drop 20 points? This really saddens me.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: sladkaya on March 28, 2007, 11:54:25 AM
UT is a festering TTT in decline. They do produce excellent snipers though.
Go with Vanderbilt, you can end up like Al Gore.

Hah, the decline part is what worries me :D 
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: prelaw200 on March 28, 2007, 11:58:05 AM
Vandy beats UT in unbiased firm placement studies.

Interesting, can you please give me a link?  Those are my top two choices, and I'd love any info on placement beyond what's on their websites.

http://www.law.com/jsp/nlj/PubArticleNLJ.jsp?id=1168423325385

http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/ciolli.final.pdf
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: molaw on March 28, 2007, 12:42:25 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 28, 2007, 12:44:11 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 28, 2007, 12:44:40 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

www.top-law-schools.com

it's actually how i found LSD. I went on there to look for advice and stuff, and every time someone asked a question that might have been asked and then answered before, there was a link to the discussion on Lawschooldiscussion. I figured i'd just cut out the middle man.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Vick on March 28, 2007, 12:50:47 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

Not unless she has the requisite "KEN ROCKS!" t-shirt.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: molaw on March 28, 2007, 01:11:12 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

oookkkkkkk...if i don't know what the hell the site is like how am i supposed to know if you are ripping on me or not?  damn you ville
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 28, 2007, 01:13:05 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

oookkkkkkk...if i don't know what the hell the site is like how am i supposed to know if you are ripping on me or not?  damn you ville

Screw you molaw.

And continue ignoring iscoredawaitlist's post.

 :P :D
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 01:31:08 PM
D&T: sorry for not responding earlier: I tried, but the movers decided to unplug my internet connection and I had to run to a meeting.

NYU was ranked 4, CLS 5 in 1999 and 2000.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: ..... on March 28, 2007, 01:59:54 PM
D&T: sorry for not responding earlier: I tried, but the movers decided to unplug my internet connection and I had to run to a meeting.

NYU was ranked 4, CLS 5 in 1999 and 2000.

Well, it's been a while then. :-)
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: HerculePoirot on March 28, 2007, 02:18:46 PM
Anyone know what USC's trajectory has been in the rankings over the past decade or so?  Haven't they climbed up from the 20's?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Theelusivehumpbackwhale on March 28, 2007, 02:39:27 PM
People still care about these things?

Why does a few positions bump or drop really matter? Seriously. Explain, please.

i don't really does from a year-to-year basis. I do find it interesting from a game standpoint. at least my preferences aren't changed a bit. I'd still take Michigan over Penn, Chicago or the two NY schools (if, theoretically i could get into ANY of those). I'd still take Texas over USC.

You have to wonder though, because a huge drop can certainly affect the amount of applications a school receives in the next cycle. A drop from Top 30 to Top 40 can definitely change whether people consider applying there.

Exactly. Hastings used to be a top 20, then screwed up on reporting their rankings, resulting in a drop to 45. Ever since, they've been stuck in the doldrums because their incoming class statistics have gone down proportionately.. But maybe they're back on their way up now.

I understand the hyper-competitiveness and the narcissism, but Hastings is a great example of how (largely) unimportant the rankings really are. Beyond the top 15 or so, regional reputation and placement are the only rankings that really matter.

My two cents.





Hello........ :) Wow, I always wondered what your screen name was over here...........
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iSalute on March 28, 2007, 02:42:38 PM
So I just walked into a Houston "Hastings" or something like that, and they had the USNWR for 2008 already on the rack. All things posted earlier on this thread have been confirmed. And I am still pissed about USD dropping to 85.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: molaw on March 28, 2007, 03:01:35 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

oookkkkkkk...if i don't know what the hell the site is like how am i supposed to know if you are ripping on me or not?  damn you ville

Screw you molaw.

And continue ignoring iscoredawaitlist's post.

 :P :D

wtf are you talking about?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 28, 2007, 03:05:56 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

oookkkkkkk...if i don't know what the hell the site is like how am i supposed to know if you are ripping on me or not?  damn you ville

Screw you molaw.

And continue ignoring iscoredawaitlist's post.

 :P :D

wtf are you talking about?

Nothing, nevermind.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: molaw on March 28, 2007, 03:07:03 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

oookkkkkkk...if i don't know what the hell the site is like how am i supposed to know if you are ripping on me or not?  damn you ville

Screw you molaw.

And continue ignoring iscoredawaitlist's post.

 :P :D

wtf are you talking about?

Nothing, nevermind.

be nice to mo  :'(
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 28, 2007, 03:10:45 PM
Anyone know what USC's trajectory has been in the rankings over the past decade or so?  Haven't they climbed up from the 20's?

http://www.prelawhandbook.com/law_school_rankings__2000_present
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: letylyf on March 28, 2007, 03:11:20 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

oookkkkkkk...if i don't know what the hell the site is like how am i supposed to know if you are ripping on me or not?  damn you ville

Screw you molaw.

And continue ignoring iscoredawaitlist's post.

 :P :D

wtf are you talking about?

Nothing, nevermind.

be nice to mo  :'(

TLS is just a smaller version of LSD these days.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 28, 2007, 03:12:38 PM
disappointed about UVA  :(

i feel bad for you, am kind of excited to see whether lonewolf freaks out.

EDIT: has LSD scooped XOXO?!

New Law School Discussion Board Rankings:
1. LSD
2. XOXO
3. TLS

what is TLS?

Hehehe, you'd sooooooo fit in there.

oookkkkkkk...if i don't know what the hell the site is like how am i supposed to know if you are ripping on me or not?  damn you ville

Screw you molaw.

And continue ignoring iscoredawaitlist's post.

 :P :D

wtf are you talking about?

Nothing, nevermind.

be nice to mo  :'(

TLS is just a smaller version of LSD these days.


Says a TLS Moderator.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: molaw on March 28, 2007, 03:17:26 PM

So they're mean now?

or maybe it's because your mom is effing all the posters
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 28, 2007, 03:24:55 PM

So they're mean now?

or maybe it's because your mom is effing all the posters

I appreciate mom jokes, but this doesn't make any sense.

 :D
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: molaw on March 28, 2007, 03:26:25 PM

So they're mean now?

or maybe it's because your mom is effing all the posters

I appreciate mom jokes, but this doesn't make any sense.

it made me laugh
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: dashrashi on March 28, 2007, 04:17:23 PM
TLS is just a smaller version of LSD these days.

In so much as a high school baseball team is a smaller version of the Red Sox.  And much like Dice-K, I've been drinking through lunch again.  Awesome.

Spaulding, please take pity on me and be my friend next year. Speaking of AWESOME.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: dashrashi on March 28, 2007, 04:19:29 PM
TLS is just a smaller version of LSD these days.

In so much as a high school baseball team is a smaller version of the Red Sox.  And much like Dice-K, I've been drinking through lunch again.  Awesome.

Spaulding, please take pity on me and be my friend next year. Speaking of AWESOME.

You can be the TLS to Spaulding's LSD! (jk)

Whoopsie. I appear to have slipped in some GAK. Please excuse me, all.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: letylyf on March 28, 2007, 04:54:52 PM
So they're mean now?

Yeah, that's what I meant. It's not really a compliment to either site.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 06:00:34 PM
TLS is just a smaller version of LSD these days.

In so much as a high school baseball team is a smaller version of the Red Sox.  And much like Dice-K, I've been drinking through lunch again.  Awesome.

Spaulding, please take pity on me and be my friend next year. Speaking of AWESOME.

Umm... are you forgetting that you're coming to NYU?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: dashrashi on March 28, 2007, 06:12:08 PM
I haven't done your system yet, so how could I be expected to have known?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Team Pam on March 28, 2007, 06:41:20 PM
TLS is just a smaller version of LSD these days.

In so much as a high school baseball team is a smaller version of the Red Sox.  And much like Dice-K, I've been drinking through lunch again.  Awesome.

Spaulding, please take pity on me and be my friend next year. Speaking of AWESOME.

Umm... are you forgetting that you're coming to Penn?

Fixed.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: AlphaBusey on March 28, 2007, 06:43:49 PM
TLS is just a smaller version of LSD these days.

In so much as a high school baseball team is a smaller version of the Red Sox.  And much like Dice-K, I've been drinking through lunch again.  Awesome.

Spaulding, please take pity on me and be my friend next year. Speaking of AWESOME.

Umm... are you forgetting that you're coming to Penn?

Fixed.

Epic LSD Manuever!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: n/a on March 28, 2007, 07:14:11 PM
Aww *&^%, boo @ USD dropping a fuckton.... thanks for the scoop OP & others
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: safado on March 28, 2007, 08:37:43 PM
So will Yale ever lose the #1 spot? It seems like the USNWR rankings are a self-fulfilling thing, so Yale should be #1 for at least as long as all of us are alive. Anyone disagree?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 28, 2007, 08:41:46 PM
or Harvard decides to cut its class in half. Which isn't going to happen either as there are definite benefits to the larger class.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: safado on March 28, 2007, 08:49:36 PM
Harvard should do that one year, just to prove a point, then go back to its normal ways. That would be ballsy.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: 'tiki on March 28, 2007, 09:24:12 PM
Not to cause chaos or whatever. But a friend of mine sent me this link: http://i11.tinypic.com/2janes0.jpg

The rankings there look legit and are different from what we have been talking about.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: 'tiki on March 28, 2007, 09:26:17 PM
Not to cause chaos or whatever. But a friend of mine sent me this link: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,85314.0.html

The rankings there look legit and are different from what we have been talking about.

dude, that's this thread.

HAHA wrong link, i had sent him here and he sent me there. edited my post
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: 'tiki on March 28, 2007, 09:28:33 PM
HAHA wrong link, i had sent him here and he sent me there. edited my post

oh.  those were fake.

ok. feeling silly now.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: euphrasie on March 28, 2007, 09:37:35 PM
Sweet. Seattle went up nicely.

Fordham's rise makes me regret withdrawing even more. Damn you, NYC!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Commie Panda on March 28, 2007, 09:44:22 PM
Not to cause chaos or whatever. But a friend of mine sent me this link: http://i11.tinypic.com/2janes0.jpg

The rankings there look legit and are different from what we have been talking about.

Those rankings actually would seem more reasonable to me than what has been posted in this thread.

I wonder why someone would fabricate the rankings in that pic you posted...Perhaps if they want to mess with people--but the rankings in your link aren't really that drastically different from the previous year's so I can't imagine them causing panic. Why someone would go out of their way to so carefully create fake rankings is past me.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 28, 2007, 10:28:00 PM
Not to cause chaos or whatever. But a friend of mine sent me this link: http://i11.tinypic.com/2janes0.jpg

The rankings there look legit and are different from what we have been talking about.

Those rankings actually would seem more reasonable to me than what has been posted in this thread.

I wonder why someone would fabricate the rankings in that pic you posted...Perhaps if they want to mess with people--but the rankings in your link aren't really that drastically different from the previous year's so I can't imagine them causing panic. Why someone would go out of their way to so carefully create fake rankings is past me.

err... they're more reasonable? Penn passes chicago, UCLA ties with Georgetown, Texas ties with GW? I'm not saying none of that will ever happen or anything, but it doesn't seem like it's more "reasoanble" somehow. US News supposedly is just about what numbers they're given in any year anyway. It's a very flawed system, but it's not like they have options for making sure things are "reasonable" or not.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: acorn on March 28, 2007, 10:31:04 PM
does anyone know what minnesota's acceptance rate and student:faculty ration are? thanks.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Towelie on March 28, 2007, 11:42:09 PM
Not to cause chaos or whatever. But a friend of mine sent me this link: http://i11.tinypic.com/2janes0.jpg

The rankings there look legit and are different from what we have been talking about.

As long as Penn is number 6, I don't care.  ;D
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: n/a on March 29, 2007, 12:12:11 AM
Not to cause chaos or whatever. But a friend of mine sent me this link: http://i11.tinypic.com/2janes0.jpg

The rankings there look legit and are different from what we have been talking about.

As long as Penn is number 6, I don't care.  ;D

RUTROH ... Tulane isnt even tier 1 on those rankings
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: basal on March 29, 2007, 05:52:40 AM
Not to cause chaos or whatever. But a friend of mine sent me this link: http://i11.tinypic.com/2janes0.jpg

The rankings there look legit and are different from what we have been talking about.

Those rankings actually would seem more reasonable to me than what has been posted in this thread.

I wonder why someone would fabricate the rankings in that pic you posted...Perhaps if they want to mess with people--but the rankings in your link aren't really that drastically different from the previous year's so I can't imagine them causing panic. Why someone would go out of their way to so carefully create fake rankings is past me.

Rest assured. I bought the actual copy of the 2008 USNews Rankings - and iscordea's list of rankings is legit.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: dstyrhodes on March 29, 2007, 11:59:29 AM
Does anyone have the new IP specialty rankings?? Thanx.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 29, 2007, 12:10:15 PM
Yeah. Yale may be number one, but no school has more of an effect on the legal community than Harvard.

Anyway, does anyone know if any schools have responded to the new rankings?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 29, 2007, 12:12:52 PM
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Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: DUFF on March 29, 2007, 12:42:16 PM
167 for Stanford's 25th percentile GPA, I love that!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Last King of Edinburgh on March 29, 2007, 02:29:02 PM
For those of us without the premium accts, its accessible now on usnews.com. Well, it just switched on me again, never mind...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 29, 2007, 02:36:00 PM
It goes back and forth between the old and new rankings.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 29, 2007, 03:01:47 PM
Not that we need another confirming party, but I just got the 08 rankings as a non premium account holder.

The ones posted way back are legit!
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: themanwithoutaname on March 30, 2007, 09:54:28 AM
Yay!!  We were right!!  ;D
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on March 30, 2007, 10:36:31 AM
yeah. after GCoop's first post, I was worried that I'd started a crazed reaction for no good reason.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: pikey on March 30, 2007, 10:57:22 AM
Is it adviser or advisor?

No, seriously.

Spell check on my browser underlines "advisor" as a misspelling and not "adviser," but, uh, they both look plausible to me....

From:  http://volokh.com/posts/1098222537.shtml

Adviser vs. advisor:

Both are perfectly valid, but I wanted to use the more common one, since I have no personal preference. A google smackdown helps out: Advisor wins, by about a factor of four. I love modern linguistic research tools . . . .

Nice! Firefox spellchecker needs to check itself, clearly.

MS spellchecker is the worst.  It's Bermudian not Bermudan!  My own personal pet peeve.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 30, 2007, 01:21:36 PM
Always wondered about people from Guam.
Guamites? Guamibears? The Guamish?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: n/a on March 30, 2007, 04:14:25 PM
Always wondered about people from Guam.
Guamites? Guamibears? The Guamish?

 :D :D :D

Underrated post.

I lived in guam, its Guamanian... if you were serious about that question, which I somehow doubt
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: CoxlessPair on March 30, 2007, 07:01:17 PM
Are you sure it is not "Guambats"?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Sell Out on March 31, 2007, 03:32:41 AM
Holy crap, Miami's acceptance rate is 49.7%!!! I wonder if that's a typo...
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Yankees Fan on March 31, 2007, 08:53:49 AM
Holy crap, Miami's acceptance rate is 49.7%!!! I wonder if that's a typo...

I was wondering about that too.  It says they took in about 2300 of 4600.  That seems insane.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: Kirk Lazarus on March 31, 2007, 09:17:43 AM
Yeah. Yale may be number one, but no school has more of an effect on the legal community than Harvard.

Anyway, does anyone know if any schools have responded to the new rankings?

link? Proof?
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: donvito on March 31, 2007, 01:33:46 PM
Holy crap, Miami's acceptance rate is 49.7%!!! I wonder if that's a typo...

I was wondering about that too.  It says they took in about 2300 of 4600.  That seems insane.

wow...that must be the highest of any T2 school.  i would think the numbers would be similar this year too.  could mean a further drop in the rankings next year.   i mean, if we assume that maybe 10% of future law students are registered at LSN--230 have said they were accepted at Miami so that would mean 2300 were accepted.  i would think the percentage of law students registered at LSN is a bit higher though.  maybe 15-17%.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: dashrashi on March 31, 2007, 02:08:24 PM
Holy crap, Miami's acceptance rate is 49.7%!!! I wonder if that's a typo...

I was wondering about that too.  It says they took in about 2300 of 4600.  That seems insane.

wow...that must be the highest of any T2 school.  i would think the numbers would be similar this year too.  could mean a further drop in the rankings next year.   i mean, if we assume that maybe 10% of future law students are registered at LSN--230 have said they were accepted at Miami so that would mean 2300 were accepted.  i would think the percentage of law students registered at LSN is a bit higher though.  maybe 15-17%.

But which 15-17%? I think LSN has a marked selection bias towards the top schools, and especially toward the tippy top. LSN probably captures a higher proportion of the T14-bound than it does everyone else.
Title: Re: US News Not Leaked, Released
Post by: h2xblive on March 31, 2007, 02:25:34 PM
Holy crap, Miami's acceptance rate is 49.7%!!! I wonder if that's a typo...

I was wondering about that too.  It says they took in about 2300 of 4600.  That seems insane.

wow...that must be the highest of any T2 school.  i would think the numbers would be similar this year too.  could mean a further drop in the rankings next year.   i mean, if we assume that maybe 10% of future law students are registered at LSN--230 have said they were accepted at Miami so that would mean 2300 were accepted.  i would think the percentage of law students registered at LSN is a bit higher though.  maybe 15-17%.

But which 15-17%? I think LSN has a marked selection bias towards the top schools, and especially toward the tippy top. LSN probably captures a higher proportion of the T14-bound than it does everyone else.

Most definitely