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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 07:37:05 AM

Title: ITT I tell you where you're going to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 07:37:05 AM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: jer on March 27, 2007, 07:39:07 AM
if i wanted to put that much effort into it i'd figure it out on my own

k thx
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 07:47:16 AM
I'll never tell... well, I will eventually. But no, I haven't decided. If someone else had created this thread, I wouldn't participate yet, since I don't have enough information to answer the questions. It was just an example.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 07:55:41 AM
CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 3.5
3.CLS 2
4.CLS 4
5.Mich or CLS 5

So it would seem that I shouold go to CLS...though I haven't visited yet (will do 2morrow and Thurs, so this could all change).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 07:56:50 AM
CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 3.5
3.CLS 2
4.CLS 4
5.Mich or CLS 5

So it would seem that I shouold go to CLS...though I haven't visited yet (will do 2morrow and Thurs, so this could all change).

You've omitted a crucial requirement.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 07:58:05 AM
CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 3.5
3.CLS 2
4.CLS 4
5.Mich or CLS 5

So it would seem that I shouold go to CLS...though I haven't visited yet (will do 2morrow and Thurs, so this could all change).

You've omitted a crucial requirement.

which???
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 07:58:57 AM
CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 3.5
3.CLS 2
4.CLS 4
5.Mich or CLS 5

So it would seem that I shouold go to CLS...though I haven't visited yet (will do 2morrow and Thurs, so this could all change).

You've omitted a crucial requirement.

which???

Finally, pick one of your schools off the top of your head, the first one that comes to mind. Write this one down also.

Also, I should have been more specific: I need a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. None of this 3.5 stuff, please.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 08:29:48 AM
Johnny, you are too demanding.  What's wrong with 3.5?

CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 3
3.CLS 2
4.CLS 4
5.Mich/CLS 5
CLS


happy?

Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 08:30:53 AM
Johnny, you are too demanding.  What's wrong with 3.5?

CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 3
3.CLS 2
4.CLS 4
5.Mich/CLS 5
CLS


happy?



Grr... you have 2 4's and no 1, but I'll let it slide, since CLS is the obvious choice for you, assuming nothing changes after you visit.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: bamf on March 27, 2007, 08:32:02 AM
JSHM: as a fellow ultimate player I need a different kind of advice ... if I want to play out my final year of eligibility, should I pick:
GW, BC, BU or W&M

Factors: I am a handler, not that fast or tall, and have significantly more distance and accuracy with my forehand huck vs. my backhand.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 08:34:09 AM
JSHM: as a fellow ultimate player I need a different kind of advice ... if I want to play out my final year of eligibility, should I pick:
GW, BC, BU or W&M

Factors: I am a handler, not that fast or tall, and have significantly more distance and accuracy with my forehand huck vs. my backhand.

W&M, hands down. I wasn't even good enough to make the A team, and I was easily the fastest person on either team. My only worry is that if you're neither fast or tall, you might not get much playing time/might not even make the A team.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: bamf on March 27, 2007, 08:36:16 AM
JSHM: as a fellow ultimate player I need a different kind of advice ... if I want to play out my final year of eligibility, should I pick:
GW, BC, BU or W&M

Factors: I am a handler, not that fast or tall, and have significantly more distance and accuracy with my forehand huck vs. my backhand.

W&M, hands down. I wasn't even good enough to make the A team, and I was easily the fastest person on either team. My only worry is that if you're neither fast or tall, you might not get much playing time/might not even make the A team.

right, well thats what I'm sayin ... I would rather maximize my playing time than maximize my making natties potential (if I wanted to make nationals I would go to UW)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 08:37:35 AM
JSHM: as a fellow ultimate player I need a different kind of advice ... if I want to play out my final year of eligibility, should I pick:
GW, BC, BU or W&M

Factors: I am a handler, not that fast or tall, and have significantly more distance and accuracy with my forehand huck vs. my backhand.

W&M, hands down. I wasn't even good enough to make the A team, and I was easily the fastest person on either team. My only worry is that if you're neither fast or tall, you might not get much playing time/might not even make the A team.

right, well thats what I'm sayin ... I would rather maximize my playing time than maximize my making natties potential (if I wanted to make nationals I would go to UW)

In that case, I'd probably say GW... but that's a mostly uneducated guess. I'm also thinking that I'd rather deal with practicing in DC winters than Boston.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 08:38:18 AM
You are too much.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: beeker on March 27, 2007, 08:54:27 AM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

First, list the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. No ties.

Finally, pick one of your schools off the top of your head, the first one that comes to mind. Write this one down also.

I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
NYU

I'll play:

Duke, NYU
1.Duke/NYU 2
2.Duke 3
3.NYU 1
4.NYU 4
5.Duke 5
Duke
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Bezerkley on March 27, 2007, 09:03:11 AM
1. BU    - 2
2. BU/BC - 4
3. BU    - 1
4. BU/BC - 5
5. BU/BC - 3
BC
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on March 27, 2007, 09:07:11 AM
Johnny, you are too demanding.  What's wrong with 3.5?

CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 3
3.CLS 2
4.CLS 4
5.Mich/CLS 5
CLS


happy?



Grr... you have 2 4's and no 1, but I'll let it slide, since CLS is the obvious choice for you, assuming nothing changes after you visit.

Sorry, didn't notice.
CLS, Mich, UVa

1.CLS 4
2.UVa 2
3.CLS 1
4.CLS 3
5.Mich/CLS 5
CLS

 :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Butters Stotch on March 27, 2007, 09:07:44 AM
You should copyright this system, John.   8)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 09:15:31 AM
Last cycle Props had this Excel spreadsheet called "The Law School Calculator." It was very impressive.

Get on it Johnny.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: vandy07 on March 27, 2007, 09:30:35 AM

U Chicago, UVA, Columbia

1.) Chicago 4
2.) UVA     2
3.) Columbia 1
4.) Chicago 3
5.) UVA 5

columbia
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: ChiSox07 on March 27, 2007, 09:32:16 AM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

First, list the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
NYU

How things stand right now (an acceptance on one of my pendings would change these)

1. Loyola Chicago - 1
2. Loyola Chicago - 2
3. BC/Illinois - 3
4. BC/Illinois - 5
5. BC - 4
BC
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: LinaB on March 27, 2007, 09:44:08 AM
I want to play.  I'm still considering 5 schools (Columbia, NYU, Stanford, Harvard, and Berkeley), but that seems too complicated, so I'll simplify a bit.  Let's go with Stanford and Harvard since they seem to be my top two currently.  (Though money changes everything--we'll see what the fin aid offices think...)

Stanford/Harvard

1) Stanford/Harvard  3
2) Harvard??? (COL)  5
3) Stanford/Harvard  1
4) Stanford/Harvard  2
5) Stanford          4

Stanford

You can see why this is difficult for me.  I can't even decide according to your criteria!  They seem so evenly matched to me that I may have to decide based on the vibe I get when visiting.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Geo_Storm on March 27, 2007, 09:46:16 AM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

First, list the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. No ties.



Just an Emory vs BC until pending decisions point me elsewhere.

1. BC - 4
2. Emory (check LSN for money) - 2
3. BC/Emory, depends on 3.
4. BC - 5
5. Emory, more relaxed/less gunnerish. - 1

BC
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Schruted on March 27, 2007, 09:51:34 AM
You're all going to decide based on the following system and you know it:

1. Look at new US News rankings.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 10:32:58 AM
Sorry all, at a meeting:

beeker: Duke
bezerkley: BC
MCB: CLS (still)
deedee: you're gonna think I'm crazy, but GW
vandy: again, I'm crazy, but Columbia
Dave: BC
Lina: Stanford
GeoStorm: BC

bezerkley, Dave, and Geo: say hi to your new classmates.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: bamf on March 27, 2007, 10:35:57 AM
Sorry all, at a meeting:

beeker: Duke
bezerkley: BC
MCB: CLS (still)
deedee: you're gonna think I'm crazy, but GW
vandy: again, I'm crazy, but Columbia
Dave: BC
Lina: Stanford
GeoStorm: BC

bezerkley, Dave, and Geo: say hi to your new classmates.

HEY-yo!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 10:56:15 AM
Because John says it will cure my boredom:

1. BC 3
2. W&L 4
3. W&L/BC 1
4. BC 2
5. W&L 5

W&L
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 10:57:08 AM
Because John says it will cure my boredom:

1. BC 3
2. W&L 4
3. W&L/BC 1
4. BC 2
5. W&L 5

W&L


Waaaaay too easy. W&L.

By the way, I lied. You are still bored.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 10:59:06 AM
Because John says it will cure my boredom:

1. BC 3
2. W&L 4
3. W&L/BC 1
4. BC 2
5. W&L 5

W&L


Waaaaay too easy. W&L.

By the way, I lied. You are still bored.


Yes, I was going to tell you that you lied, but I'm glad you already picked up on it.

I think the most telling thing is, in general, the last un-scored question though.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 10:59:57 AM
Because John says it will cure my boredom:

1. BC 3
2. W&L 4
3. W&L/BC 1
4. BC 2
5. W&L 5

W&L


Waaaaay too easy. W&L.

By the way, I lied. You are still bored.


Yes, I was going to tell you that you lied, but I'm glad you already picked up on it.

I think the most telling thing is, in general, the last un-scored question though.

Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will sue you!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 11:04:01 AM
Because John says it will cure my boredom:

1. BC 3
2. W&L 4
3. W&L/BC 1
4. BC 2
5. W&L 5

W&L


Waaaaay too easy. W&L.

By the way, I lied. You are still bored.


Yes, I was going to tell you that you lied, but I'm glad you already picked up on it.

I think the most telling thing is, in general, the last un-scored question though.

Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will sue you!!!!!!!!

Was that a secret?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:04:42 AM
Because John says it will cure my boredom:

1. BC 3
2. W&L 4
3. W&L/BC 1
4. BC 2
5. W&L 5

W&L


Waaaaay too easy. W&L.

By the way, I lied. You are still bored.


Yes, I was going to tell you that you lied, but I'm glad you already picked up on it.

I think the most telling thing is, in general, the last un-scored question though.

Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will sue you!!!!!!!!

Was that a secret?

After my response to everyone, I would think not.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:06:21 AM
katluva, my initial thought was NYU, but after careful consideration... Harvard. I chose Harvard because I don't think Howard is actually in the running for you.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: mantis on March 27, 2007, 11:06:54 AM
Go Generals!  Whee!

1 GW - 4
2 GW - 2
3 NW - 1
4 NW - 3
5 NW - 5

Northwestern

Sigh.  Give me money, Northwestern!  Make my decision at least somewhat justifiable to my skeptical family/SO...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:08:01 AM
mantis, I'll assume GW and NU are the only 2 in the running... but I don't think you need me to tell you that you're going to NU, regardless of money.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: mantis on March 27, 2007, 11:10:02 AM
mantis, I'll assume GW and NU are the only 2 in the running... but I don't think you need me to tell you that you're going to NU, regardless of money.

It's true.  My boyfriend will be sad sad sad. 

In theory UVA and Gtown should be in the running too.. but I can't imagine going to Gtown over GW for free, that seems a little ridiculous.. and I think UVA will fell too much like college for me.  So.  Northwestern it is!  Or something.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:13:55 AM
goaliechica: Boalt. Easy.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: mantis on March 27, 2007, 11:14:12 AM
Are you going to the ASW this weekend?  Not that you're not busy.

Alas, no.  I want to!  But as I survey the disaster that is my apartment and think, "Huh, I'm supposed to have a renter in here on the 1st.  Ha!" it seems unlikely.  Also, at this point I was actually considering going to the GW (and maybe even UVA) ASWs in an attempt to sway myself from Northwestern.  But back to the apartment/moving/renter issue: not gonna happen.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on March 27, 2007, 11:14:49 AM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

First, list the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Columbia, NYU, Michigan, UVA, GULC
1. Columbia 4
2. Michigan 5
3. Columbia 1
4. Columbia 2
5. Columbia (i think) 3

Columbia

This should be a no brainer, but as you see, cost is a huge factor for me.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 27, 2007, 11:16:14 AM
I didn't know that you'd made up your mind, gc.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:16:42 AM
Moni: Clearly, cost is a huge issue for you, but you're right, Columbia is a no-brainer. Sorry, roomie-that-was-to-have-been.

mantis, it's a shame that you can't go to the ASWs; keep in mind my answers are based on the assumption that you have answered based on full information... then again, if you knew you weren't going to the ASWs, then your answers were in fact made on full information.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on March 27, 2007, 11:17:50 AM
Moni: Clearly, cost is a huge issue for you, but you're right, Columbia is a no-brainer. Sorry, roomie-that-was-to-have-been.

mantis, it's a shame that you can't go to the ASWs; keep in mind my answers are based on the assumption that you have answered based on full information... then again, if you knew you weren't going to the ASWs, then your answers were in fact made on full information.

I'm so conflicted.  Dammit!  :(
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:24:25 AM
c&p, that's a tough one. As long as you're being honest with yourself, though, I'm going to go with UVA (surprising, given its infrequency in your answers, but I stand by it).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:27:38 AM
I said UVA because of Johnny's pattern

You are coming dangerously close to exposing my system and ruining its validity.

Actually, maybe not... I think it still works even if you understand the system beforehand.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:40:09 AM
I said UVA because of Johnny's pattern

You are coming dangerously close to exposing my system and ruining its validity.

Actually, maybe not... I think it still works even if you understand the system beforehand.

Is the system just that you pick the one I said at the end? I feel cheated Johnny, here I thought you were hunched over an abacus carefully calculating my future,

Depends. Did you pick UVA because it was the first school that came to mind? Or did you pick UVA randomly? There's a difference.

Besides, although NYU seemed to dominate in the important categories to you, they dominated in categories that may or may not be speculative, and likely lagged in categories that are concrete (cost, for example). I'm confident that UVA offers you the best compromise. As long as you gave answers based on full knowledge, UVA is the school for you.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:48:17 AM
I said UVA because of Johnny's pattern

You are coming dangerously close to exposing my system and ruining its validity.

Actually, maybe not... I think it still works even if you understand the system beforehand.

Is the system just that you pick the one I said at the end? I feel cheated Johnny, here I thought you were hunched over an abacus carefully calculating my future,

Depends. Did you pick UVA because it was the first school that came to mind? Or did you pick UVA randomly? There's a difference.

Besides, although NYU seemed to dominate in the important categories to you, they dominated in categories that may or may not be speculative, and likely lagged in categories that are concrete (cost, for example). I'm confident that UVA offers you the best compromise. As long as you gave answers based on full knowledge, UVA is the school for you.

I think I picked UVA randomly. Does that make a difference?

As we discussed before I kind of want to get the @#!* out of Virginia. But I can't help but wonder if I wouldn't be dead set on UVA if only I was from another state originally. It's stupid to speculate, I guess, because I'm not. But really, I think UVA might actually be prefect for me, I just want to move farther from home. Crap. I suck at making life decisions. Johnny can I hire you to follow me around and decide things for me?

It makes all the difference in the world, unless they are one and the same. If possible, try the one that first comes to mind. Maybe wait an hour without thinking about it, or something.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:53:46 AM
I said UVA because of Johnny's pattern

You are coming dangerously close to exposing my system and ruining its validity.

Actually, maybe not... I think it still works even if you understand the system beforehand.

Is the system just that you pick the one I said at the end? I feel cheated Johnny, here I thought you were hunched over an abacus carefully calculating my future,

Depends. Did you pick UVA because it was the first school that came to mind? Or did you pick UVA randomly? There's a difference.

Besides, although NYU seemed to dominate in the important categories to you, they dominated in categories that may or may not be speculative, and likely lagged in categories that are concrete (cost, for example). I'm confident that UVA offers you the best compromise. As long as you gave answers based on full knowledge, UVA is the school for you.

I think I picked UVA randomly. Does that make a difference?

As we discussed before I kind of want to get the @#!* out of Virginia. But I can't help but wonder if I wouldn't be dead set on UVA if only I was from another state originally. It's stupid to speculate, I guess, because I'm not. But really, I think UVA might actually be prefect for me, I just want to move farther from home. Crap. I suck at making life decisions. Johnny can I hire you to follow me around and decide things for me?

It makes all the difference in the world, unless they are one and the same. If possible, try the one that first comes to mind. Maybe wait an hour without thinking about it, or something.


By 'hour without thinking about it' do you mean happy hour? Cause if so, I'm on it.

I feel even more confident in my initial response. UVA it is for you.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:55:35 AM
c&p, you have provided me with incomplete information!!! You have not visited some of these schools (if any)! How can you hope to give me accurate answers without this crucial information!!! Hearsay will not do!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: rtqw on March 27, 2007, 11:56:13 AM
I don't have all the information in yet, but I'll give it a try. Considering GW, NYU, Michigan, Penn, UVa.

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1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
Michigan is my favorite location in terms of where I'd like to live, NYU's location I like because there may be beneficial career opportunities by living in NYC (networking, internships during the semester, etc). Since I feel that job opportunities in general are not too different between the two schools, I'll answer this in terms of where I'd like to live and go with Michigan. Importance rating of 3.

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2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
Haven't gotten all financial aid offers yet, but almost certainly GW. Umm, going to the cheapest school isn't important to me, but cost in general is very important. I'm ranking this as 4, given the latter concern.

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3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
NYU. Least important (1), since three of the other four schools I'm considering are only ranked slightly below NYU.

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4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
NYU, by a small margin. Importance rating: 5

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5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
Michigan. Importance rating 2, I suppose, even though I think this should probably be more important.

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Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

This question is silly  ;D Michigan.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: The Pookie on March 27, 2007, 11:57:20 AM
ok, now make my decision for me!!!

Penn, UVA, Cornell

aaaand go! :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:58:03 AM
rtqw, I've edited my OP, which addresses the fact that you have incomplete info, but if this stands, Michigan.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 11:59:00 AM
ok, now make my decision for me!!!

Penn, UVA, Cornell

aaaand go! :)

Sorry, but I need to refer you to the original post.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:02:03 PM
c&p, you have provided me with incomplete information!!! You have not visited some of these schools (if any)! How can you hope to give me accurate answers without this crucial information!!! Hearsay will not do!

Okay so maybe I haven't officially visited UVA or GW, but I've driven by them many times. I think that is easily comparable to an ASW. Who needs first hand experience anyway? Facts are overrated.

This whole you telling me where to go to law school thing is a lot more work on my part than it should be.

Be that as it may, given what I have, I'm sticking with UVA.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Pugnacious on March 27, 2007, 12:08:43 PM
Hastings vs USC

1. Hastings (4)
2. Hastings (1)
3. USC (3)
4. USC (2)
5. USC/Hastings (5)


Seems like a tie...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:09:33 PM
Hastings vs USC

1. Hastings (4)
2. Hastings (1)
3. USC (3)
4. USC (2)
5. USC/Hastings (5)


Seems like a tie...

You're missing a key component... the first one that comes to mind.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on March 27, 2007, 12:11:31 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

First, list the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Columbia, NYU, Michigan, UVA, GULC
1. Columbia 4
2. Michigan 5
3. Columbia 1
4. Columbia 2
5. Columbia (i think) 3

Columbia

This should be a no brainer, but as you see, cost is a huge factor for me.

Moni, I'm curious, is CLS giving you more money than Harvard (haven't checked your LSN lately)? And since you don't know where Mr. Moni, DDS will be yet, is NYC a better location than Boston just because you think it's the best fit?

Just wondering. I know you're having a tough time with your choices!

Haven't gotten any money from CLS or Harvard.  I just submitted my Need Access today, but decided not to submit anything to Harvard because I know that they're not gonna give me much and they have tons of their own forms to fill out as well.  If it was just me to consider, I might have still done it, but my parents weren't keen on filling out any forms, so I don't wanna push my luck.

And yes, barring all reference to the bf I feel like NYC is a best fit.  I want a big city environment because I don't see myself settling in a large city like NYC.  I like C's location as well.  And even if the bf doesn't end up in NYC, I can get cheap(ish) flights all over the country from there.  I've never been to Boston, so I guess its not a fair comparison.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Pugnacious on March 27, 2007, 12:14:27 PM
Hastings vs USC

1. Hastings (4)
2. Hastings (1)
3. USC (3)
4. USC (2)
5. USC/Hastings (5)


Seems like a tie...

You're missing a key component... the first one that comes to mind.

usc
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:16:54 PM
Hastings vs USC

1. Hastings (4)
2. Hastings (1)
3. USC (3)
4. USC (2)
5. USC/Hastings (5)


Seems like a tie...

You're missing a key component... the first one that comes to mind.

usc

Hmm... this is a tough call; pretty much 50/50, so you can't really go wrong either way and would be happier at either. You like Hastings' location better, but I'll go with USC on this one.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Pugnacious on March 27, 2007, 12:19:56 PM
Hastings vs USC

1. Hastings (4)
2. Hastings (1)
3. USC (3)
4. USC (2)
5. USC/Hastings (5)


Seems like a tie...

You're missing a key component... the first one that comes to mind.

usc

Hmm... this is a tough call; pretty much 50/50, so you can't really go wrong either way and would be happier at either. You like Hastings' location better, but I'll go with USC on this one.

Thanks, Johnny...most people say USC. I just hope I can find jobs in the Bay Area if I go to USC...I don't want to stay in LA
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: lindenksv on March 27, 2007, 12:21:06 PM
My list is GW (full ride), Duke (60k), Gtown (60k), NYU, Columbia, Berkeley


1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
NYU-4

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2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
GW-4

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3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
Berkeley-5 (it's no. 1 for IP)


4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
Columbia-4

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5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
NYU-2


Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.
Columbia
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:23:11 PM
Guppy: you're welcome, and you should be able to get a job anywhere in Cali from USC.

lindeksv: Wow. My gut tells me to say NYU, and it wouldn't shock me at all if you went there. However, my system says Columbia.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on March 27, 2007, 12:46:11 PM
1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.): Michigan, Duke (Michigan because of husband's family, like the town, and like the sports; Duke because of weather and proximity to DC, beaches, and my family) 4
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included) Duke 4
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count) Michigan, Virginia (or maybe not Virginia, if those rankings are right) 3
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well) Michigan, Virginia 4
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality Michigan 5
6. Lay prestige (I added this, because even though it's shallow, it bugs me that state schools don't have it.) Duke 2

Michigan 16
Duke 10
Virginia 7
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:49:37 PM
flyaway: yes, the new rankings may skew every answer I've given so far. Also, you forgot to name the school that first comes to mind. Thanks for adding the totals up, because that's not quite how the system works.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on March 27, 2007, 12:56:23 PM
Ok, now that I've read the rest of the thread, let me make mine conform. :) Mostly.

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.): Michigan, Duke (Michigan because of husband's family, like the town, and like the sports; Duke because of weather and proximity to DC, beaches, and my family) 5
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included) Duke 4
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count) Michigan, Virginia (or maybe not Virginia, if those rankings are right) 2
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well) Michigan, Virginia 3
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality Michigan 6
6. Lay prestige (I added this, because even though it's shallow, it bugs me that state schools don't have it.) Duke 1
Michigan
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 12:59:19 PM
flyaway: It doesn't surprise me that my initial guess was correct, but you're going to Michigan. Congrats!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:08:23 PM
cal: for appearance's sake, NU. I imagine this will change once your cycle is complete. If you know my answer already, though, you probably don't need my help.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:20:37 PM
Anyone else need help deciding where to go? Just follow the rules on Page 1:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,85286.0.html
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: watso059 on March 27, 2007, 01:50:43 PM
Miami, Stetson, Mercer, Jones (33%)

1. Jones/Mercer (4)
2. Jones (3)
3. Miami (2)
4. Miami (1)
5. Jones/Mercer (5)

As far as which comes to mind first...it is a toss up between Jones and Mercer. Jones because it is in the state that I will practice in, and I liked the campus. Mercer because it is still relativley close to where I will be practicing, a smaller town, known for legal writing, and T2 (for now). The debt amount is why I am torn between the two.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 01:57:04 PM
watso: Well damn, you've made this very difficult for me. The system calls it a tie between Jones and Mercer, but you didn't come here for a tie, so I will say Jones... however, I would make damn sure that your job prospects would be solid enough that this will not cause you any financial burden.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: watso059 on March 27, 2007, 02:01:41 PM
watso: Well damn, you've made this very difficult for me. The system calls it a tie between Jones and Mercer, but you didn't come here for a tie, so I will say Jones... however, I would make damn sure that your job prospects would be solid enough that this will not cause you any financial burden.

That is where I am barely leaning I think... My uncle went to Jones and has a small firm in my hometown and has offered me a job. So, if all else fails, I have a place to go back to and can probably make partner in about 3 years if I do well. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 02:03:12 PM
watso: Well damn, you've made this very difficult for me. The system calls it a tie between Jones and Mercer, but you didn't come here for a tie, so I will say Jones... however, I would make damn sure that your job prospects would be solid enough that this will not cause you any financial burden.

That is where I am barely leaning I think... My uncle went to Jones and has a small firm in my hometown and has offered me a job. So, if all else fails, I have a place to go back to and can probably make partner in about 3 years if I do well. Thanks for the help.

Knowing that you have a safety net in place makes me feel much better about my advice, and reinforces my conviction in it. Good luck.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on March 27, 2007, 04:51:47 PM
Tag for later! I haven't visited all my contendas yet, nor have I heard back re: finaid from anyone. Sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 06:06:22 PM
Tag for later! I haven't visited all my contendas yet, nor have I heard back re: finaid from anyone. Sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh.

Don't worry, I'll probably bump on a mostly daily basis since I'm an attention whore.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: CowboyLawyer on March 27, 2007, 06:48:39 PM
Should I be concerned that it looks more and more like BU is on the rise and BC is stagnant in the rankings? I realize 20 and 28 isn't a big difference, but since pretty much every other factor between the two schools is similar, shouldn't I take this into account? I was under the belief that BC is a slightly better law school in terms of job prospects & education. Sorry I was too lazy to score everything.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 27, 2007, 06:58:50 PM
Should I be concerned that it looks more and more like BU is on the rise and BC is stagnant in the rankings? I realize 20 and 28 isn't a big difference, but since pretty much every other factor between the two schools is similar, shouldn't I take this into account? I was under the belief that BC is a slightly better law school in terms of job prospects & education. Sorry I was too lazy to score everything.

I wouldn't put much stock into it. Either school places excellently well in the Northeast, and BC might carry a little more weight nationwide.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Bezerkley on March 27, 2007, 07:03:58 PM
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Should I be concerned that it looks more and more like BU is on the rise and BC is stagnant in the rankings? I realize 20 and 28 isn't a big difference, but since pretty much every other factor between the two schools is similar, shouldn't I take this into account? I was under the belief that BC is a slightly better law school in terms of job prospects & education. Sorry I was too lazy to score everything.

I'm with you.  People here came back from ASD at BU with an attitude of BU is on the way up, which seems to support this.  The thing that also leans me towards BU is the IP program.  Even though I am not 100% sure it is what I want to do, I feel like I have enough interest in it that it can tip this very close scale.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: rainyday on March 28, 2007, 12:07:16 AM
This system is awesome...will it also work for naming my first born?  ;)

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

1. Location - UVA - 2
2. Cost - UVA - 1
3. Rank - HLS - 3
4. Jobs - HLS - 5
5. Fit - UVA - 4
harvard?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: azraelx9 on March 28, 2007, 01:59:23 AM
Lived in CA all my life, probably will practice here, but want to experience NYC/East Coast _sometime_ in my life..

1.
NYU- 2
NYU/CLS for different experience,  but Boalt for weather..

2. Boalt  4
3. CLS (reputation, but NYU is up there now)5
4. CLS 3
5. CLS 1

CLS
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: zephyr on March 28, 2007, 05:33:20 AM
1. BU - 2
2. BU$$$ - 1
3. GULC - 4
4. GULC - 3
5. BU/GULC - 5

Georgetown?

Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 06:44:15 AM
addicted: very enviable position! Congratulations, you're going to Harvard! And yes, when you have a list of names narrowed down, run them by me (I'll invent criteria just for you).

azrael: The system says Columbia, but make sure that you've visited CLS to get a feel for the atmosphere (I've never visited, but I've heard on multiple fronts that it's a very challenging atmosphere).

zephyr: as enticing as the money from BU is, you should go to Georgetown.

The foolproof system strikes again!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on March 28, 2007, 08:22:42 AM
Johnny, you're just picking the highest ranked school, aren't you?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 08:33:41 AM
Johnny, you're just picking the highest ranked school, aren't you?

Of course not: I advised deedee to take GW over I think Cornell and Penn. However, the ambiguity in "rank" allows for you to be correct as well. :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: CowboyLawyer on March 28, 2007, 08:35:38 AM
1. BC/GW -4.
2. BC -2.
3. GW-1.
4. GW/BC-3.
5. GW-5

BC

PS
This was based on last year's stats and not the updated 2008 rankings.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: zephyr on March 28, 2007, 08:37:18 AM
zephyr: as enticing as the money from BU is, you should go to Georgetown.

Thanks for the advice, Johnny. Does it still hold true if I know that I don't want biglaw and would like to do gov't/PI work? BTW I love the Manfred Mann quotes.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: beeker on March 28, 2007, 08:39:52 AM
Johnny, you're just picking the highest ranked school, aren't you?

He picked Duke over NYU for me
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on March 28, 2007, 09:02:59 AM
Testimonial:

"Johnny Stuffs His Mouth picked my law school..  and I've never been happier!  Let him work his system for you!"

Congrats, favorite attention-whore!  I think your thread is a success.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: nfire1 on March 28, 2007, 09:26:56 AM
Where should I go?  I'm stuck between Denver and Miami.  Just moved to Denver and don't want to leave really, but long term I've thought that Florida would be a good place for me.  I'm really torn!

Also, I am inclined to keep trying to get off the waitlist at CU, if that happens, I'm going there!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on March 28, 2007, 09:34:41 AM
You have to follow his process!  Answer his questions. :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Team Pam on March 28, 2007, 09:50:35 AM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.


Choosing between Penn, Michigan, and NYU:

1. Penn - 2
2. Michigan - 3
3. Michigan (reputation rankings are the only ones that seem meaningful to me) - 4
4. Penn/Mich/NYU - 1
5. Penn - 5

Penn
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 10:27:59 AM
Cowboy: tough situation, and I imagine you'll be fine at either school; however, I advise BC.

zephyr: even without wanting BIGLAW, Gtown holds true, especially given your possible gov't interests; where else but DC?

beeker: indeed I did; have you?

kcgf: thanks!

nfire: flyaway is right; please visit page 1 to see the requirements; as easy as it would be for me to just pick given only school A and school B, I'm not a magician.

Team Pam: Penn; enjoy those classes at Wharton!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Burz on March 28, 2007, 10:45:15 AM
1. Houston - 4
2. Houston - 2
3. Washington and Lee - 3
4. ??? - 1
5. Washington and Lee - 5
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 10:47:00 AM
1. Houston - 4
2. Houston - 2
3. Washington and Lee - 3
4. ??? - 1
5. Washington and Lee - 5

You're missing 1 key ingredient: the first school that comes to mind (that doesn't mean pick one at random).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Burz on March 28, 2007, 10:55:01 AM
1. Houston - 4
2. Houston - 2
3. Washington and Lee - 3
4. ??? - 1
5. Washington and Lee - 5

You're missing 1 key ingredient: the first school that comes to mind (that doesn't mean pick one at random).

Wash Lee...

But that's because I just got back from ASW.  ;D

WL slipped this year in the rankings also, from 22 to 25. Could this be a trend? Troubling.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 10:58:56 AM
Burz: I had a feeling you would say W&L. Although Lexington isn't as vibrant as Houston, clearly it's not an important enough difference to remove W&L from the list. My advice is to go to W&L. You will be very happy there. I wouldn't worry about a "drop" of 3 spots. Let's look at it this way; if a basketball team "fell" from 22 to 25, would you be as concerned? Sure, it might look like a downward trend, but all they have to do is win to get back up. Besides, rankings don't necessarily correlate with best school overall, or best school for you. Keep that in mind.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 11:03:38 AM
Where should I go to school?

I'm choosing between Houston and Houston.  All my other acceptances don't matter at this point.

Wrong! Adhere to the rules set out on the first page. I can't just choose between Houston and Houston for you. Sorry, them's the rules; I didn't make 'em.

Wait.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 28, 2007, 11:05:28 AM
John is starting to sound just like me; it's almost creepy.

W&L's drop to 25 was mostly the result of several ties being broken, there were 5 schools tied last year at 22. I'll say it for the umpteenth time; rankings for one year are not as telling as looking at a school's rankings historically. Over the last ten years W&L has been ranked from 18-25. The school just hired a new law dean and the school will always be buoyed by the fact that it spends a lot of money per student. When I went to visit there were noises about moving back up the rankings so if you care about rankings that much you should realize that the school has a sizeable endowment given its tiny size and can easily make higher rankings happen over the next few years.

Join us, you know you want to.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 11:11:13 AM
Where should I go to school?

I'm choosing between Houston and Houston.  All my other acceptances don't matter at this point.

Wrong! Adhere to the rules set out on the first page. I can't just choose between Houston and Houston for you. Sorry, them's the rules; I didn't make 'em.

Wait.

Boo.  You're no fun.

I'm bored enough to play, even though there aren't any other schools for me that are really in the running anymore.  Maybe FSU and Miami, to an extent...so here goes.


1. Houston/Miami - 4
2. FSU - 3
3. FSU - 1
4. Houston - 5
5. Houston/Miami - 2
Houston

Pfft; too easy. I haven't read Z's thread since this morning, but even so it's obvious Houston is for you.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 11:13:48 AM
Where should I go to school?

I'm choosing between Houston and Houston.  All my other acceptances don't matter at this point.

Wrong! Adhere to the rules set out on the first page. I can't just choose between Houston and Houston for you. Sorry, them's the rules; I didn't make 'em.

Wait.

Boo.  You're no fun.

I'm bored enough to play, even though there aren't any other schools for me that are really in the running anymore.  Maybe FSU and Miami, to an extent...so here goes.


1. Houston/Miami - 4
2. FSU - 3
3. FSU - 1
4. Houston - 5
5. Houston/Miami - 2
Houston

Pfft; too easy. I haven't read Z's thread since this morning, but even so it's obvious Houston is for you.

Really?  Why do you think that?

I can't reveal the secrets of the system!!! It should be pretty obvious, though, from your answers why Houston is for you.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 11:18:38 AM

I can't reveal the secrets of the system!!! It should be pretty obvious, though, from your answers why Houston is for you.

Oh, I know why it is.  I was just wondering why YOU think it is.   :D

And I probably could have put Houston for all of those except the cost one.  Florida in-state tuition is sooooo tempting.

The first sentence answers the second.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Burz on March 28, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
Burz: I had a feeling you would say W&L. Although Lexington isn't as vibrant as Houston, clearly it's not an important enough difference to remove W&L from the list. My advice is to go to W&L. You will be very happy there. I wouldn't worry about a "drop" of 3 spots. Let's look at it this way; if a basketball team "fell" from 22 to 25, would you be as concerned? Sure, it might look like a downward trend, but all they have to do is win to get back up. Besides, rankings don't necessarily correlate with best school overall, or best school for you. Keep that in mind.

I'm leaning to WL. If Houston gives me lots of money that will change.

Mainly the job prospects thing is confusing me.

The picture I'm getting is that at Houston, working at Houston in midlaw is easy. Biglaw,  you need to be top 20%.

WL i have no idea. I hear about great alumni network, but the fact is that the average salary is low and I really don't think they place too well in biglaw. So who knows?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 28, 2007, 11:52:45 AM
Factors contributing to low starting salary figures from W&L: More of the class actually reports their salaries than many of their peer schools, so you are getting a fuller picture; 20% or more of the class go into a judicial clerkship after graduation. Generally in order to get a clerkship you need to have very good grades, so it is my theory that because of this judicial clerkships are actually siphoning off a lot of the people who would normally be taking the highest paying jobs. (In actuality those people still get those jobs after their clerkships, but that is not reflected, obviously).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Burz on March 28, 2007, 12:18:31 PM
I heard that too.

So what % do you have to be in to work in Biglaw?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 28, 2007, 12:54:40 PM
I heard that too.

So what % do you have to be in to work in Biglaw?

I really don't know, but I'm not very interested in BigLaw; you should talk to career services.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: nfire1 on March 28, 2007, 12:58:50 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
NYU

Thanks!  And sorry for not reading earlier:

This is between Denver and Miami, if I get off the waitlist at CU Boulder, it's game over.

1. Denver 4
2. DU/UM 5  (they will cost the same, don't worry about this one!)
3. Miami 2 (pretty equal here)
4. Miami 4
5. Denver 3

Cool thread, thanks for your thoughts!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 01:27:14 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
NYU

Thanks!  And sorry for not reading earlier:

This is between Denver and Miami, if I get off the waitlist at CU Boulder, it's game over.

1. Denver 4
2. DU/UM 5  (they will cost the same, don't worry about this one!)
3. Miami 2 (pretty equal here)
4. Miami 4
5. Denver 3

Cool thread, thanks for your thoughts!

Oops, you forgot one: Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

This is important; make sure it's the first one that comes to mind, not just a random flip of the coin.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: nfire1 on March 28, 2007, 01:38:19 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
NYU

Thanks!  And sorry for not reading earlier:

This is between Denver and Miami, if I get off the waitlist at CU Boulder, it's game over.

1. Denver 4
2. DU/UM 5  (they will cost the same, don't worry about this one!)
3. Miami 2 (pretty equal here)
4. Miami 4
5. Denver 3

Cool thread, thanks for your thoughts!

Oops, you forgot one: Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

This is important; make sure it's the first one that comes to mind, not just a random flip of the coin.

Denver!  You are quite the Psychologist.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 01:42:20 PM
nfire: I'll ignore the fact that you have 2 4's and no 1. (tsk tsk); the system says Denver!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: nfire1 on March 28, 2007, 01:46:16 PM
I completely fail at this thread.  I too lean in that direction, but not definitively.  Thanks!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 01:49:54 PM
I completely fail at this thread.  I too lean in that direction, but not definitively.  Thanks!

If it's any consolation, I think you will be perfectly fine at either school. It sounds like you are well advanced in the planning/decision-making process, so feel free to treat my advice as the deciding coin flip, if you wish.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 01:59:27 PM
I tried to answer the questions for Fordham and GW but I have too many "ties".

1. NYC is the more exciting city and it will be a unique experience, but DC is more familiar and just a 20 minute ride to see my parents, sister, and some friends.
2. NYC is more expensive, but DC I will have a car so I think it evens out.
3. Once again pretty close and in my mind they're a tie, but GW is technically ranked higher.
4. GW most likely since I'm not sure I want to be in NYC after graduation
5. No idea which of the two.

Chica has already spoken to this a bit, but you also forgot to pick the first law school that comes to mind.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Clipse on March 28, 2007, 02:07:06 PM
University of Washington vs. George Washington University

1. UW - 3
2. UW - 5
3. GW - 1
4. GW - 4
5. UW - 2

UW
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on March 28, 2007, 02:21:56 PM
University of Washington vs. George Washington University

1. UW - 3
2. UW - 5
3. GW - 1
4. GW - 4
5. UW - 2

UW


I think that's more of an East Coast/West Coast thing.

Just answer this - which one pops into your mind first, Tupac or Biggie?

 :D
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 02:50:08 PM
Tutti, I think the fact that you recognize your potential for growth out of Fordham (although I'm sure you know you'll grow at GW, too) indicates that Fordham is the best choice for you.

Clipse, I'd say UW... then again, if you're not from the west coast (or PNW, really), this could be a significant lifestyle change (not necessarily a bad thing; maybe even desirable).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Boyce Baylor on March 28, 2007, 05:18:05 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
NYU


1)Cardozo-5
2)Tulane-2
3)Wake Forest-1
4)American (?)-4
5)Tulane-3
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Boyce Baylor on March 28, 2007, 05:28:35 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality

Next, rank each of the 5 criteria it terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.

Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
NYU


1)Cardozo-5
2)Tulane-2
3)Wake Forest-1
4)American (?)-4
5)Tulane-3

Oh wait, Hastings is tied with Wake Forest now, so throw that beast in there too I guess.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 05:59:10 PM
2 quick things, jmmff:

First, can you give me a list of schools you're still seriously considering?

Sec0nd, give me the first school that cmes to your mind (note: NOT the same thing as picking one randomly).

Thanks!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Boyce Baylor on March 28, 2007, 06:07:58 PM
2 quick things, jmmff:

First, can you give me a list of schools you're still seriously considering?

Sec0nd, give me the first school that cmes to your mind (note: NOT the same thing as picking one randomly).

Thanks!


I suppose the list, barring an admission to BC, would be Cardozo, Wake, WCL, and Tulane. The first school that comes to mind is Tulane; but, to be fair, I'm flying out to NOLA tommorow, so I suppose you can't read all that much into my stream if consiousness.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on March 28, 2007, 07:14:54 PM
2 quick things, jmmff:

First, can you give me a list of schools you're still seriously considering?

Sec0nd, give me the first school that cmes to your mind (note: NOT the same thing as picking one randomly).

Thanks!


I suppose the list, barring an admission to BC, would be Cardozo, Wake, WCL, and Tulane. The first school that comes to mind is Tulane; but, to be fair, I'm flying out to NOLA tommorow, so I suppose you can't read all that much into my stream if consiousness.

Ahh... well, you should probably wait till you visit, because all of your rankings might change.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Clipse on March 28, 2007, 09:17:42 PM
Tutti, I think the fact that you recognize your potential for growth out of Fordham (although I'm sure you know you'll grow at GW, too) indicates that Fordham is the best choice for you.

Clipse, I'd say UW... then again, if you're not from the west coast (or PNW, really), this could be a significant lifestyle change (not necessarily a bad thing; maybe even desirable).

I'm from the NW and love it so your lean is correct.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: loco on March 30, 2007, 09:30:46 AM
1. Location - Georgetown - 4
2. Cost - Georgetown/Michigan - 2
3. Rank - Michigan - 5
4. Jobs - Georgetown/Michigan - 1
5. Fit - Michigan - 3
Georgetown
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: the always open mouth on March 30, 2007, 12:29:00 PM

1. Miami/Nebraska - 2
2. Nebraska - 3
3. Miami - 5
4. Miami - 1
5. Nebraska - 4

I know these two schools have very little in common except for being similarly ranked, but this is exactly why this is such a difficult decision for me. You'll probably question the tie for the first category. both locations are equally favorable for me in different ways: Miami for obvious reasons (weather, recreation, best school in a fairly large market), whereas Nebraska is close to my family, friends, and is familiar territory <--which is good and bad. BTW, I'm going to base my decision entirley on what you choose. Just kidding, but I'd love to hear your opinion! Thanks Johnny!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: the always open mouth on March 30, 2007, 01:33:22 PM
you're missing the last part

oh yeah, sorry.
Nebraska
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on March 30, 2007, 01:40:56 PM
John is busy at the UVA ASW. :)  So, don't worry; he'll be back to tell you where to go to school.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: the always open mouth on March 31, 2007, 01:45:59 PM
(Bump) for Nebraska vs. Miami
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on March 31, 2007, 10:48:36 PM
Bump, with a real question.

I have yet to visit NYU, but I've visited my other three contenders. All over the boards, people are saying, "Oh, this school just clicked for me--Oh, I just knew the fit was right." So far, no clicking or fitting has happened on my end. No school has anti-sold me, but no one has sold me yet either. At this point, then, I'm continuing in bloodless calculus and disregarding the intangibles, mostly because there haven't been any intangibles of note.

Thoughts on what to do when you don't find a school that just clicks? Thoughts from everyone (not just Johnny, who will presumably tell me I haven't clicked yet because I have yet to visit NYU) are well and truly appreciated.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Team Pam on March 31, 2007, 11:59:58 PM
Bump, with a real question.

I have yet to visit NYU, but I've visited my other three contenders. All over the boards, people are saying, "Oh, this school just clicked for me--Oh, I just knew the fit was right." So far, no clicking or fitting has happened on my end. No school has anti-sold me, but no one has sold me yet either. At this point, then, I'm continuing in bloodless calculus and disregarding the intangibles, mostly because there haven't been any intangibles of note.

Thoughts on what to do when you don't find a school that just clicks? Thoughts from everyone (not just Johnny, who will presumably tell me I haven't clicked yet because I have yet to visit NYU) are well and truly appreciated.

I think there's a difference between a school clicking for you and going with your gut/instinct/whatever you want to call it.  (For example, I think HLS might not have anti-sold you, but your instinctive reaction to it seems to be wanting to throw up. ;))  I applied to my undergrad almost on a whim and attended it on a hunch/instinct, but I didn't even get a chance to visit beforehand, so it's not like I *knew* it was the right school for me.  As it turned out, I loved it and it ended up being a good fit.  It wasn't perfect, but I'm not sure any school would have been.  I don't think picking a law school is like choosing a spouse.  You're not going to have some magic moment where you "just know" and live happily ever after.  But if you have a hunch that one school or another might be more or less right, that's probably worth going with.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: beeker on April 01, 2007, 07:24:53 AM
Bump, with a real question.

I have yet to visit NYU, but I've visited my other three contenders. All over the boards, people are saying, "Oh, this school just clicked for me--Oh, I just knew the fit was right." So far, no clicking or fitting has happened on my end. No school has anti-sold me, but no one has sold me yet either. At this point, then, I'm continuing in bloodless calculus and disregarding the intangibles, mostly because there haven't been any intangibles of note.

Thoughts on what to do when you don't find a school that just clicks? Thoughts from everyone (not just Johnny, who will presumably tell me I haven't clicked yet because I have yet to visit NYU) are well and truly appreciated.

That's a tough one to answer because eveyrone akes decision in your own way, but i think the only thing to do will be to think about it as logically as possible.  Which factor matters most to you? Cost? Location? Some amazing clinic?  And go off of whichever best matches.  I know you are into some great schools dash, so I am sure you can't go wrong.


For me, I was going to do a pros and cons list for Duke v NYU.  But then I realized that ever since I left Duke, I had been trying to think of reasons to convince myself not to go there and to go to NYU instead...and that kind of gave me my answer right there....99% sure I'm headed to Duke.

Try the pros and cons?  With four it would be tough.  You'll probably be able to bump 1 or 2 off the list before it gets to that point though.


This probably wasn't particularly helpful.  Important factors for me personally are the feeling that I got from the professors and administration, as well as the other people that were there at the ASW.  Personally, it also mattered to me where I felt like I would be most happy for the next three years.  Three years is not a short amount of time.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 01, 2007, 09:13:46 AM
Bump, with a real question.

I have yet to visit NYU, but I've visited my other three contenders. All over the boards, people are saying, "Oh, this school just clicked for me--Oh, I just knew the fit was right." So far, no clicking or fitting has happened on my end. No school has anti-sold me, but no one has sold me yet either. At this point, then, I'm continuing in bloodless calculus and disregarding the intangibles, mostly because there haven't been any intangibles of note.

Thoughts on what to do when you don't find a school that just clicks? Thoughts from everyone (not just Johnny, who will presumably tell me I haven't clicked yet because I have yet to visit NYU) are well and truly appreciated.

That's a tough one to answer because eveyrone akes decision in your own way, but i think the only thing to do will be to think about it as logically as possible.  Which factor matters most to you? Cost? Location? Some amazing clinic?  And go off of whichever best matches.  I know you are into some great schools dash, so I am sure you can't go wrong.


For me, I was going to do a pros and cons list for Duke v NYU.  But then I realized that ever since I left Duke, I had been trying to think of reasons to convince myself not to go there and to go to NYU instead...and that kind of gave me my answer right there....99% sure I'm headed to Duke.

Try the pros and cons?  With four it would be tough.  You'll probably be able to bump 1 or 2 off the list before it gets to that point though.


This probably wasn't particularly helpful.  Important factors for me personally are the feeling that I got from the professors and administration, as well as the other people that were there at the ASW.  Personally, it also mattered to me where I felt like I would be most happy for the next three years.  Three years is not a short amount of time.

That's what so interesting--I haven't gotten much of a feeling from anywhere. And as my mother says, I'll be miserable anywhere, so I should just go to HLS. And as has been noted elsewhere, I am slightly uninformed about all the money/logistics/job search stuff that should then be making my decision for me. Which is sort of funny, I guess.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 01, 2007, 10:25:06 AM
Hey dash...unless your mother knows you to just generally be a miserable person, or knows something else about you that I don't (which I suppose may be possible ;)) I think the idea that you'll be miserable no matter where you go to law school is pretty false. (This is where I start my subtle Penn trolling). My experience, and the experience of many of my classmates, has been that of having horrid days, and sometimes weeks...but generally really enjoying being at Penn. There are classes that suck, and parts of the semester that are enough to make you want to jump off a bridge, but over all, almost everyone I know loves Penn, and few people are actually miserable.

Of course, this isn't limited to just one school...I guess people might be happy at other schools too. Maybe.

I don't know what to tell you about not feeling like you "click" with a school yet. With my own set of acceptances, Penn was the obvious choice, simptly based on the opportunities it affords--so I wasn't in quite the same situation you are. But I wouldn't have attended if I didn't think that the educational theory, etc, meshed with my own. I didn't really feel like I clicked with Penn until I started school, though. It also may be easier once you've visited NYU to start weighing the differences between the schools. Beyond your own gut feelings, I know a lot of people around here have talked about the culture and atmosphere at the different schools, different opportunities that you'll have as a student and as a graduate, etc. And I know there are a number of current students who would more more than happy to answer any questions for you, or tell you what sold them on the school they chose, and what things would sell them now if they had known about them while making decisions

TITCR, she'd say.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 01, 2007, 10:35:27 AM
:(  This thread has turned disturbing.

Maybe I am too optimistic.  I'm looking forward to going back to school!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 01, 2007, 10:49:15 AM
:(  This thread has turned disturbing.

Maybe I am too optimistic.  I'm looking forward to going back to school!

Therein, quite possibly, lies the rub.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: the always open mouth on April 01, 2007, 10:51:07 AM
Bump, with a real question.

Hey congrats on getting into great schools :), but us subhuman T2ers have some decisions to make as well - like Nebraska vs. Miami (bump).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 01, 2007, 11:23:35 AM
Bump, with a real question.

Hey congrats on getting into great schools :), but us subhuman T2ers have some decisions to make as well - like Nebraska vs. Miami (bump).

No, no--emphasis was on "question" as opposed to the normal assumed question in the thread, namely, where should I go to law school. Sorry for any misreadings.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: the always open mouth on April 01, 2007, 11:57:42 AM
My sincerest apologies dashrashi, I totally misread your statement. Again, congrats on your stellar acceptances. I'd go with HLS, but I don't think there is a possible wrong choice for your situation. Good luck with your decision!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Saja on April 01, 2007, 12:02:16 PM
(This is where I start my subtle Penn trolling). My experience, and the experience of many of my classmates, has been that of having horrid days, and sometimes weeks...but generally really enjoying being at Penn. There are classes that suck, and parts of the semester that are enough to make you want to jump off a bridge, but over all, almost everyone I know loves Penn, and few people are actually miserable.

Of course, this isn't limited to just one school...I guess people might be happy at other schools too. Maybe.


Wait, wait...you mean not every day at Penn is a (collegial) waltz through a magical fairyland of happy students?  Oh dear, this changes everything.;)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 01, 2007, 12:31:11 PM
Are you thinking deferral?

They tell you to think deferral if you have something to do. I have nothing to do. No novel to write, no Peace Corps, no Grand Tour of Europe (or at least no money with which to do it). I'd love to take a year off to watch TV and eat ice cream, but unfortunately the money is not good.

I hope you were talking to me, or I will be embarrassed.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Saja on April 01, 2007, 12:44:25 PM
(This is where I start my subtle Penn trolling). My experience, and the experience of many of my classmates, has been that of having horrid days, and sometimes weeks...but generally really enjoying being at Penn. There are classes that suck, and parts of the semester that are enough to make you want to jump off a bridge, but over all, almost everyone I know loves Penn, and few people are actually miserable.

Of course, this isn't limited to just one school...I guess people might be happy at other schools too. Maybe.


Wait, wait...you mean not every day at Penn is a (collegial) waltz through a magical fairyland of happy students?  Oh dear, this changes everything.;)

Magical fairyland of happy students...that's exactly what I meant to say!

There are gumdrops and lollipops every day, too!


Phew, this is what I like to hear.


On a more serious note- Dash- I have the same problem when, upon questioning my motivations for going to law school, people ask me why I'm not deferring.  I've had numerous fellow admitted students warn me against going straight from undergrad, but, honestly, at this point I have nothing else to do.  And I figure that getting 1L over with is probably, in the long run, a better idea than watching TV on my parents' couch for a year.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Non-YLS 1L on April 01, 2007, 12:47:23 PM
They tell you to think deferral if you have something to do. I have nothing to do. No novel to write, no Peace Corps, no Grand Tour of Europe (or at least no money with which to do it). I'd love to take a year off to watch TV and eat ice cream, but unfortunately the money is not good.

I hope you were talking to me, or I will be embarrassed.

I was.  :)

I dunno about the conventional wisdom on that.  Everyone I know of who has deferred has been glad of it, whether they had something particular going on during that year or not.  Something you said made me think that you may just need a break from being in school.

As for the bit about about not feeling love for a school when you simply visit it, I don't think that there's nothing alarming about that.  It seems to me more natural, as Cady suggested, that the affection should come later, when you're in it and a part of it.

Anyhoo, I know that deferring doesn't help in the business of choosing the school that you'll attend, but it may be something to mull over a bit.

What kind of law are you going to practice?

Of course people are happy about deferring.  It delays law school.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 01, 2007, 12:58:36 PM
They tell you to think deferral if you have something to do. I have nothing to do. No novel to write, no Peace Corps, no Grand Tour of Europe (or at least no money with which to do it). I'd love to take a year off to watch TV and eat ice cream, but unfortunately the money is not good.

I hope you were talking to me, or I will be embarrassed.

I was.  :)

I dunno about the conventional wisdom on that.  Everyone I know of who has deferred has been glad of it, whether they had something particular going on during that year or not.  Something you said made me think that you may just need a break from being in school.

As for the bit about about not feeling love for a school when you simply visit it, I don't think that there's nothing alarming about that.  It seems to me more natural, as Cady suggested, that the affection should come later, when you're in it and a part of it.

Anyhoo, I know that deferring doesn't help in the business of choosing the school that you'll attend, but it may be something to mull over a bit.

What kind of law are you going to practice?

I think deferring might be nice, but I'm sort of worried about my brain atrophying. Which it tends to do. Aside from that, I'm firmly attached to the bf, and so have a little bit less freedom about these things--not that that's a bad thing. Probably helps keep me grounded.

I think I will end up at least sort of liking wherever I end up. It seems sort of natural.

I want to either do PI (AIDS-y stuff, or maybe the Innocence Project--I love them) or be a big bad motherfuckin litgator like Cher's dad in Clueless.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Non-YLS 1L on April 01, 2007, 01:05:40 PM
I think deferring might be nice, but I'm sort of worried about my brain atrophying.

This is a good point.  My brain went straight to hell in my four years between college, law school.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Team Pam on April 01, 2007, 08:52:51 PM
I want to either do PI (AIDS-y stuff, or maybe the Innocence Project--I love them) or be a big bad motherfuckin litgator like Cher's dad in Clueless.

Awesome.  Have you considered a joint MPH (in which case, you should probably either go to HLS or go to GULC like Lily did)?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 01, 2007, 11:37:09 PM
I want to either do PI (AIDS-y stuff, or maybe the Innocence Project--I love them) or be a big bad motherfuckin litgator like Cher's dad in Clueless.

Awesome.  Have you considered a joint MPH (in which case, you should probably either go to HLS or go to GULC like Lily did)?

Have indeedy. I took an Epi I class last semester at the EPH school here and lurved it. One of HLS's draws, as you may have surmised, esp considering I don't have to decide til next year.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Team Pam on April 02, 2007, 12:24:52 AM
I want to either do PI (AIDS-y stuff, or maybe the Innocence Project--I love them) or be a big bad motherfuckin litgator like Cher's dad in Clueless.

Awesome.  Have you considered a joint MPH (in which case, you should probably either go to HLS or go to GULC like Lily did)?

Have indeedy. I took an Epi I class last semester at the EPH school here and lurved it. One of HLS's draws, as you may have surmised, esp considering I don't have to decide til next year.

Oooh, I'm jealous.  I have two friends currently doing their PhD work at JHU, and epidemiology sounds so interesting.  Enough so that I briefly considered an MPH before realizing that a JD is my destiny and I cannot escape it.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 06:52:27 AM
Hello! Sorry for being MIA, but I was busy loving UVA.

loco: Despite its lower ranking (which is clearly most important to you), go with Georgetown. Have you visited, though? If not, you really should; I've heard bad things about it, bad enough to possibly take it out of the running for you so that you don't really have a decision to make.

always open mouth: Miami would be a very exciting new location, but I'd suggest sticking in Nebraska. While everyone claims to really want to escape their family, I think being in Miami might be too difficult a transition: it sounds like your family is a pretty important part of your life.

dash: well, I'll stop the NYU trolling because unless I'm absolutely floored, I'm Charlottesville bound. As far as the fit... sometimes it's not a matter of a place being a perfect fit; it's just more perfect than anywhere else. I mean, what do you want out of law school? A laid-back atmosphere, or a more professional one? An exciting location, or one without so many distractions? Etc.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: beeker on April 02, 2007, 07:05:38 AM
Hello! Sorry for being MIA, but I was busy loving UVA.

loco: Despite its lower ranking (which is clearly most important to you), go with Georgetown. Have you visited, though? If not, you really should; I've heard bad things about it, bad enough to possibly take it out of the running for you so that you don't really have a decision to make.

always open mouth: Miami would be a very exciting new location, but I'd suggest sticking in Nebraska. While everyone claims to really want to escape their family, I think being in Miami might be too difficult a transition: it sounds like your family is a pretty important part of your life.

dash: well, I'll stop the NYU trolling because unless I'm absolutely floored, I'm Charlottesville bound. As far as the fit... sometimes it's not a matter of a place being a perfect fit; it's just more perfect than anywhere else. I mean, what do you want out of law school? A laid-back atmosphere, or a more professional one? An exciting location, or one without so many distractions? Etc.

Congrats on making a decision Johnny, I'm Durham-bound over NYU myself
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 07:09:27 AM
Hello! Sorry for being MIA, but I was busy loving UVA.

loco: Despite its lower ranking (which is clearly most important to you), go with Georgetown. Have you visited, though? If not, you really should; I've heard bad things about it, bad enough to possibly take it out of the running for you so that you don't really have a decision to make.

always open mouth: Miami would be a very exciting new location, but I'd suggest sticking in Nebraska. While everyone claims to really want to escape their family, I think being in Miami might be too difficult a transition: it sounds like your family is a pretty important part of your life.

dash: well, I'll stop the NYU trolling because unless I'm absolutely floored, I'm Charlottesville bound. As far as the fit... sometimes it's not a matter of a place being a perfect fit; it's just more perfect than anywhere else. I mean, what do you want out of law school? A laid-back atmosphere, or a more professional one? An exciting location, or one without so many distractions? Etc.

Congrats on making a decision Johnny, I'm Durham-bound over NYU myself

Well, I don't want to jump the gun quite yet... I do want to give NYU a fighting chance, especially since I've heard that among the top law schools, NYU is somewhat similar to UVA in terms of QoL, though what I'd look for specifically is that people see the people they go to school with not as members of their class, but classmates.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 08:18:34 AM
Bump for people returning from ASWs.

Also, as a testimonial to how well my system works, I advised beeker to go to Duke over NYU, and that turned out to be correct.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 02, 2007, 08:20:36 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 08:23:27 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 02, 2007, 08:25:10 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 08:30:46 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)

Out of curiosity (as it would be illuminating for others as well), what are you looking for out of law school, and what have schools offered so far?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: _____________________ on April 02, 2007, 08:31:35 AM
right now:  UT, Vandy, Temple, Fordham


1. Fordham (for bf), Temple (for fam and friends) 2
2. Temple (full ride) 4
3. Vandy 3
4. Vandy/UTex/Fordham (not sure which has the best combo of opportunity in NYC and opp. nationally) 1
5. Vandy 5


penn - this is one more reason why you really should let me in.  because then i don't have to make this choice and i just come to you!


Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 08:35:34 AM
Vivian: you're missing the last step (I really should just number it as 6.): the school that comes to mind first (not the same as picking a school randomly. When you think "law school", which school comes to mind [of those you've listed]). Although I have a guess...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: _____________________ on April 02, 2007, 08:38:59 AM
thats kind of the problem.  one doesn't come to mind before one of the others consistently.  i think if forced to answer this question i would say vandy, but it makes me feel like a total rankings whore.

honestly, if fordham gave me sig more money, i would probably go there, but they are super stingy with the dough.

Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 02, 2007, 08:43:27 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)

Out of curiosity (as it would be illuminating for others as well), what are you looking for out of law school, and what have schools offered so far?

In an ideal world, law school would be full of cool people who were mellow, and the overall atmosphere would also be mellow--hopefully v. discouraging of gunners. As this is the real world, and of the three schools I've visited, each had a notable feminine hygiene product contingent, I would like to go to the place that offers me the best options after law school without compromising those options. (After all, this is professional school and it's time to be a grown-up.  :'() Maximizing the mellow would be nice, but overall, breadth of professional options is my biggest criterion of the five you've been asking about. The "trouble" of course, is that no school I go to will seriously hinder my options really, with perhaps the exception of Penn and its bad LRAP.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 08:44:22 AM
thats kind of the problem.  one doesn't come to mind before one of the others consistently.  i think if forced to answer this question i would say vandy, but it makes me feel like a total rankings whore.

honestly, if fordham gave me sig more money, i would probably go there, but they are super stingy with the dough.



My guess would have been Vandy, for the record.

Don't worry about rankings whoredom; the difference between Fordham and Vandy is miniscule, and based on factors that may not be important to you, anyway. It's a tough situation to be in, especially with that full ride to Temple, which is nothing to sneeze at (although it might limit you more in terms of geographic portability). Do you have any idea, with any sense of certainty, what you want to do after law school?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 08:46:16 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)

Out of curiosity (as it would be illuminating for others as well), what are you looking for out of law school, and what have schools offered so far?

In an ideal world, law school would be full of cool people who were mellow, and the overall atmosphere would also be mellow--hopefully v. discouraging of gunners. As this is the real world, and of the three schools I've visited, each had a notable feminine hygiene product contingent, I would like to go to the place that offers me the best options after law school without compromising those options. (After all, this is professional school and it's time to be a grown-up.  :'() Maximizing the mellow would be nice, but overall, breadth of professional options is my biggest criterion of the five you've been asking about. The "trouble" of course, is that no school I go to will seriously hinder my options really, with perhaps the exception of Penn and its bad LRAP.

My understanding is that Penn is very mellow; I guess the options kind of killed it for you?

My further understanding is that NYU is also very mellow, and has a good LRAP. From what I've heard about NYU, it's almost like you were made for each other... are you visiting in April, or on your own at least?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 02, 2007, 08:49:11 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)

Out of curiosity (as it would be illuminating for others as well), what are you looking for out of law school, and what have schools offered so far?

In an ideal world, law school would be full of cool people who were mellow, and the overall atmosphere would also be mellow--hopefully v. discouraging of gunners. As this is the real world, and of the three schools I've visited, each had a notable feminine hygiene product contingent, I would like to go to the place that offers me the best options after law school without compromising those options. (After all, this is professional school and it's time to be a grown-up.  :'() Maximizing the mellow would be nice, but overall, breadth of professional options is my biggest criterion of the five you've been asking about. The "trouble" of course, is that no school I go to will seriously hinder my options really, with perhaps the exception of Penn and its bad LRAP.

My understanding is that Penn is very mellow; I guess the options kind of killed it for you?

My further understanding is that NYU is also very mellow, and has a good LRAP. From what I've heard about NYU, it's almost like you were made for each other... are you visiting in April, or on your own at least?

Penn does seem quite mellow, and with money (so as to counteract the shitful LRAP), I'd be seriously seriously considering it.

I'm starting to think NYU might be a good fit--hence the dire and pressing need to visit. I'm scheduled (I think) for the last ASD, and my finaid offer should come that week or so.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 08:55:20 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)

Out of curiosity (as it would be illuminating for others as well), what are you looking for out of law school, and what have schools offered so far?

In an ideal world, law school would be full of cool people who were mellow, and the overall atmosphere would also be mellow--hopefully v. discouraging of gunners. As this is the real world, and of the three schools I've visited, each had a notable feminine hygiene product contingent, I would like to go to the place that offers me the best options after law school without compromising those options. (After all, this is professional school and it's time to be a grown-up.  :'() Maximizing the mellow would be nice, but overall, breadth of professional options is my biggest criterion of the five you've been asking about. The "trouble" of course, is that no school I go to will seriously hinder my options really, with perhaps the exception of Penn and its bad LRAP.

My understanding is that Penn is very mellow; I guess the options kind of killed it for you?

My further understanding is that NYU is also very mellow, and has a good LRAP. From what I've heard about NYU, it's almost like you were made for each other... are you visiting in April, or on your own at least?

Penn does seem quite mellow, and with money (so as to counteract the shitful LRAP), I'd be seriously seriously considering it.

I'm starting to think NYU might be a good fit--hence the dire and pressing need to visit. I'm scheduled (I think) for the last ASD, and my finaid offer should come that week or so.

We should meet. Not in a sketchy, planned way, more like in a "oh what a coincidence, we just happened to run into each other" way. "Should" as in "if there is a just and kindly god, this will happen" rather than "we should do something to try and make this happen."

Good luck with finaid; UVA gave me diddly, so if NYU ponies up, that'd be huge.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 02, 2007, 09:01:50 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)

Out of curiosity (as it would be illuminating for others as well), what are you looking for out of law school, and what have schools offered so far?

In an ideal world, law school would be full of cool people who were mellow, and the overall atmosphere would also be mellow--hopefully v. discouraging of gunners. As this is the real world, and of the three schools I've visited, each had a notable feminine hygiene product contingent, I would like to go to the place that offers me the best options after law school without compromising those options. (After all, this is professional school and it's time to be a grown-up.  :'() Maximizing the mellow would be nice, but overall, breadth of professional options is my biggest criterion of the five you've been asking about. The "trouble" of course, is that no school I go to will seriously hinder my options really, with perhaps the exception of Penn and its bad LRAP.

My understanding is that Penn is very mellow; I guess the options kind of killed it for you?

My further understanding is that NYU is also very mellow, and has a good LRAP. From what I've heard about NYU, it's almost like you were made for each other... are you visiting in April, or on your own at least?

Penn does seem quite mellow, and with money (so as to counteract the shitful LRAP), I'd be seriously seriously considering it.

I'm starting to think NYU might be a good fit--hence the dire and pressing need to visit. I'm scheduled (I think) for the last ASD, and my finaid offer should come that week or so.

We should meet. Not in a sketchy, planned way, more like in a "oh what a coincidence, we just happened to run into each other" way. "Should" as in "if there is a just and kindly god, this will happen" rather than "we should do something to try and make this happen."

Good luck with finaid; UVA gave me diddly, so if NYU ponies up, that'd be huge.

It'll work itself out, I'm sure. Although the Penn ASW people would tell me to tell you that my hair is blondish red, not dark brown.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: _____________________ on April 02, 2007, 09:02:20 AM

Do you have any idea, with any sense of certainty, what you want to do after law school?

something corporate.  i like lit, and have been a lit paralegal for two years.  but i def know i like representing corporate clients and want to continue to work in that regard.

preferably big law somewhere, and im leaning heavy on ny big law bc one thing i'm really interested in is in-house counsel for an investment bank and they draw seemingly exclusively from ny big law.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 09:09:36 AM
I guess you'll have to wait til after you visit NYU to try it out on yourself?

Indeed... I would be doing myself a disservice if I didn't have all the info I needed.

How are you doing? You sound somewhat discontent with what you've seen so far.


Story of my life, sweet thing. I am an eternal optimist.

(Also I've been in a bad mood for two weeks because my thesis is due one week from today and it sucks balls. Probably not helping Also senioritis, a little.)

Out of curiosity (as it would be illuminating for others as well), what are you looking for out of law school, and what have schools offered so far?

In an ideal world, law school would be full of cool people who were mellow, and the overall atmosphere would also be mellow--hopefully v. discouraging of gunners. As this is the real world, and of the three schools I've visited, each had a notable feminine hygiene product contingent, I would like to go to the place that offers me the best options after law school without compromising those options. (After all, this is professional school and it's time to be a grown-up.  :'() Maximizing the mellow would be nice, but overall, breadth of professional options is my biggest criterion of the five you've been asking about. The "trouble" of course, is that no school I go to will seriously hinder my options really, with perhaps the exception of Penn and its bad LRAP.

My understanding is that Penn is very mellow; I guess the options kind of killed it for you?

My further understanding is that NYU is also very mellow, and has a good LRAP. From what I've heard about NYU, it's almost like you were made for each other... are you visiting in April, or on your own at least?

Penn does seem quite mellow, and with money (so as to counteract the shitful LRAP), I'd be seriously seriously considering it.

I'm starting to think NYU might be a good fit--hence the dire and pressing need to visit. I'm scheduled (I think) for the last ASD, and my finaid offer should come that week or so.

We should meet. Not in a sketchy, planned way, more like in a "oh what a coincidence, we just happened to run into each other" way. "Should" as in "if there is a just and kindly god, this will happen" rather than "we should do something to try and make this happen."

Good luck with finaid; UVA gave me diddly, so if NYU ponies up, that'd be huge.

It'll work itself out, I'm sure. Although the Penn ASW people would tell me to tell you that my hair is blondish red, not dark brown.

We LSDers really should have some sort of gang sign, or something.

Vivian, you're already thinking hard about this, which is good. Clearly you recognize, unlike many, many people, that the next 3 years of your life still count, as you seem to think you'd be happiest at Vandy. Fordham, of course, seems a more natural choice given your intended career path. Doing well in Vandy, however, wouldn't eliminate your chances of NYC BIGLAW, but I would think it'd be a bit more difficult. That's really, really tough. Did you visit Fordham, and could you see yourself happy there?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: _____________________ on April 02, 2007, 09:14:57 AM
yes, and eh.  i love my boyfriend, lots.  we live together, i dont want to leave him.  but i really don't like nyc right now and need a break i think.

also, as good a school as fordham is, its overshadowed by columbia to the north and nyu to the south, and the concerned snob in me is worried about how i would feel coming from columbia undergrad, and going to the third best ls in new york.  i know i suck and im kind of embarrassed about it, but its how i honestly feel.

that and one of our partners, who went to fordham, told me if i think i might not want to work in ny, ever, that vandy would be a better bet bc fordham is SO nyc centric. 

i just hate this choosing business.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 10:31:44 AM
I just got back from Houston last night to find out I got into Fordham!  Now I don't know what to do!

Help me Johnny!

Congratulations! But you know the rules...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 10:57:20 AM
No, you're absolutely not crazy (unless you want to work in NYC, in which case yes, hesitating would be crazy). You know what my answer is (Fordham), but have you visited Fordham? If you go and absolutely hate it, then by all means go to Houston maybe.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 11:42:48 AM
No, you're absolutely not crazy (unless you want to work in NYC, in which case yes, hesitating would be crazy). You know what my answer is (Fordham), but have you visited Fordham? If you go and absolutely hate it, then by all means go to Houston maybe.

Well, the thing is, I absolutely love NYC.  It's one of my favorite places in the world (not that I've been to that many places).  And I don't think I can visit, especially not in the next couple of weeks.   :-\

I love NYC too. Here's my question: how would you feel about living in NYC for the next 5-8 years, at least? Not that you would have to, just that it would probably be realistic to expect to work in NYC after Fordham. If that's ok, pick Fordham. That's what the system says.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 11:46:27 AM
No, you're absolutely not crazy (unless you want to work in NYC, in which case yes, hesitating would be crazy). You know what my answer is (Fordham), but have you visited Fordham? If you go and absolutely hate it, then by all means go to Houston maybe.

Well, the thing is, I absolutely love NYC.  It's one of my favorite places in the world (not that I've been to that many places).  And I don't think I can visit, especially not in the next couple of weeks.   :-\

I love NYC too. Here's my question: how would you feel about living in NYC for the next 5-8 years, at least? Not that you would have to, just that it would probably be realistic to expect to work in NYC after Fordham. If that's ok, pick Fordham. That's what the system says.

I would be perfectly happy spending the rest of my life in NYC.  That is, until I retire and buy a vineyard in Napa.

I say the following with love:

YOU ARE INSANE FOR STILL THINKING ABOUT THIS.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on April 02, 2007, 11:48:00 AM
Johnny's right.  I'd talk to the Brit and then, as long as he's cool with it, I'd send in your deposit.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: SBToLaw on April 02, 2007, 12:21:31 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU



1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.


1. Emory - 3
2. WUSTL - 4
3. WUSTL - 2
4. Notre Dame - 5
5. Notre Dame - 1
6. WUSTL -


Now you can see why I'm so torn.  PLEASE help!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: whoneedsanABA on April 02, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
1. Hastings/USD 2
2. Hastings 5
3. Fordham 3
4. Fordham 1
5. USD 4

6. Fordham (ehh..damnit...all three pop into my head...for different reasons.)

i'll probably be the happiest going to usd
i may be more successful down the line going to fordham (with relative happiness)
relative happiness from SOs and fam/friends in hastings due to proximity, but im pretty sure i'll hate the school (i dont know anyone from there that isn't angry, jaded, or bald)


Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 12:26:15 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: SBToLaw on April 02, 2007, 12:33:13 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 12:38:26 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?

Wow. Well, it would depend on how your criteria would shift; I stick by WUSTL, though, and especially with that tuition I imagine that'd be your pick if you were forced right now. Right?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: SBToLaw on April 02, 2007, 12:42:31 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?

Wow. Well, it would depend on how your criteria would shift; I stick by WUSTL, though, and especially with that tuition I imagine that'd be your pick if you were forced right now. Right?

Haha....well, retaking the LSAT and reapplying next year (I underperformed by a few points and I konw I could do better on a retake) is always an option, so that's in the back of my mind.  I guess if forced to choose right now, I'd take WUSTL and keep mailing GULC letters of continued interest.  The thing is, I'm really obsessed with placement data, and while WUSTL does very well in the midwest (somewhere I'm pretty sure I DON'T want to end up), it struggles in my market of choice (CA), and doesn't do as well in the northeast as its peer schools...those are the main things stopping me from jumping at WUSTL right now.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 12:49:39 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?

Wow. Well, it would depend on how your criteria would shift; I stick by WUSTL, though, and especially with that tuition I imagine that'd be your pick if you were forced right now. Right?

Haha....well, retaking the LSAT and reapplying next year (I underperformed by a few points and I konw I could do better on a retake) is always an option, so that's in the back of my mind.  I guess if forced to choose right now, I'd take WUSTL and keep mailing GULC letters of continued interest.  The thing is, I'm really obsessed with placement data, and while WUSTL does very well in the midwest (somewhere I'm pretty sure I DON'T want to end up), it struggles in my market of choice (CA), and doesn't do as well in the northeast as its peer schools...those are the main things stopping me from jumping at WUSTL right now.

From your LSN, it looks like you applied to very few west coast schools... I'm guessing that you wanted to spend 3 years somewhere other than Cali. If you're concerned about WUSTL's Cali placement, I would try calling their career services people. I wonder if poor placement is merely a reflection of self-selection, or if California firms genuinely have no love for WUSTL. Graduating with virtually no debt is no joke, and offers a level of flexibility that could probably overcome the Cali problem (you wouldn't have to land that V20 Cali firm, for example...)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: loco on April 02, 2007, 12:59:41 PM
loco: Despite its lower ranking (which is clearly most important to you), go with Georgetown. Have you visited, though? If not, you really should; I've heard bad things about it, bad enough to possibly take it out of the running for you so that you don't really have a decision to make.

Oops . . . I thought 1 was for the most important and 5 for the least important (ie. I intended to put job prospects as most important, and rank as least).  Does your opinion change with these updated rankings?

And yes, I did visit Georgetown and did not find the size overly worrisome (although I suspect that the hinderances of a large class size would be felt more by the current students, who might be fighting each other for access to advising/career resources, etc.)

1. Location - Georgetown - 2
2. Cost - Georgetown/Michigan - 4
3. Rank - Michigan - 1
4. Jobs - Georgetown/Michigan - 5
5. Fit - Michigan - 3
Georgetown
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 01:02:53 PM
loco: Despite its lower ranking (which is clearly most important to you), go with Georgetown. Have you visited, though? If not, you really should; I've heard bad things about it, bad enough to possibly take it out of the running for you so that you don't really have a decision to make.

Oops . . . I thought 1 was for the most important and 5 for the least important (ie. I intended to put job prospects as most important, and rank as least).  Does your opinion change with these updated rankings?

And yes, I did visit Georgetown and did not find the size overly worrisome (although I suspect that the hinderances of a large class size would be felt more by the current students, who might be fighting each other for access to advising/career resources, etc.)

1. Location - Georgetown - 2
2. Cost - Georgetown/Michigan - 4
3. Rank - Michigan - 1
4. Jobs - Georgetown/Michigan - 5
5. Fit - Michigan - 3
Georgetown

Nothing changes except the strength of my conviction that Georgetown is for you, although I have heard some horror stories about the competitiveness of Georgetown students. If you can deal, Gtown is perfect for you.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: SBToLaw on April 02, 2007, 01:03:43 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?

Wow. Well, it would depend on how your criteria would shift; I stick by WUSTL, though, and especially with that tuition I imagine that'd be your pick if you were forced right now. Right?

Haha....well, retaking the LSAT and reapplying next year (I underperformed by a few points and I konw I could do better on a retake) is always an option, so that's in the back of my mind.  I guess if forced to choose right now, I'd take WUSTL and keep mailing GULC letters of continued interest.  The thing is, I'm really obsessed with placement data, and while WUSTL does very well in the midwest (somewhere I'm pretty sure I DON'T want to end up), it struggles in my market of choice (CA), and doesn't do as well in the northeast as its peer schools...those are the main things stopping me from jumping at WUSTL right now.

From your LSN, it looks like you applied to very few west coast schools... I'm guessing that you wanted to spend 3 years somewhere other than Cali. If you're concerned about WUSTL's Cali placement, I would try calling their career services people. I wonder if poor placement is merely a reflection of self-selection, or if California firms genuinely have no love for WUSTL. Graduating with virtually no debt is no joke, and offers a level of flexibility that could probably overcome the Cali problem (you wouldn't have to land that V20 Cali firm, for example...)

NEWS BREAK:  I literally JUST got the mail and I got HELD at Cornell..."Too many applications for too small a class, yada yada...we'll reevaluate applications once more people accept/deny around early MAY."  :-/  So, basically I've got to WAIT to get WAITLISTED.  Anyway...yeah, I definitely know that zero debt is nothing to sneeze at and I'm sure a big part of WUSTL's placement is self-selection, but they also have the least number of total firms come to OCI (http://www.nalplawschools.org/), and I have pretty big misgivings about the midwest....I'm your typical liberal SoCal kid who only plans to live on the coasts and has some pretty entreanched  notions (fair or not) about the middle/southern states.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 01:07:20 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?

Wow. Well, it would depend on how your criteria would shift; I stick by WUSTL, though, and especially with that tuition I imagine that'd be your pick if you were forced right now. Right?

Haha....well, retaking the LSAT and reapplying next year (I underperformed by a few points and I konw I could do better on a retake) is always an option, so that's in the back of my mind.  I guess if forced to choose right now, I'd take WUSTL and keep mailing GULC letters of continued interest.  The thing is, I'm really obsessed with placement data, and while WUSTL does very well in the midwest (somewhere I'm pretty sure I DON'T want to end up), it struggles in my market of choice (CA), and doesn't do as well in the northeast as its peer schools...those are the main things stopping me from jumping at WUSTL right now.

From your LSN, it looks like you applied to very few west coast schools... I'm guessing that you wanted to spend 3 years somewhere other than Cali. If you're concerned about WUSTL's Cali placement, I would try calling their career services people. I wonder if poor placement is merely a reflection of self-selection, or if California firms genuinely have no love for WUSTL. Graduating with virtually no debt is no joke, and offers a level of flexibility that could probably overcome the Cali problem (you wouldn't have to land that V20 Cali firm, for example...)

NEWS BREAK:  I literally JUST got the mail and I got HELD at Cornell..."Too many applications for too small a class, yada yada...we'll reevaluate applications once more people accept/deny around early MAY."  :-/  So, basically I've got to WAIT to get WAITLISTED.  Anyway...yeah, I definitely know that zero debt is nothing to sneeze at and I'm sure a big part of WUSTL placement is self-selection, but they also have the least number of total firms come to OCI (http://www.nalplawschools.org/), and I have pretty big misgivings about the midwest....I'm your typical liberal SoCal kid who only plans to live on the coasts and has some pretty strong preconceived notions (fair or not) about the middle/southern states.

Are you trying to convince yourself not to go to WUSTL? Are you sure it's actually in the running?

The OCI might be a big deal, it might not. Maybe firms just don't want to spend the money to go if they don't think there's much of a market. And I'm sure career services could get you in contact with plenty of Cali firms if you asked; the resources are there for you to use.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you apply to any other Cali schools?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: SBToLaw on April 02, 2007, 01:15:02 PM
Are you trying to convince yourself not to go to WUSTL? Are you sure it's actually in the running?

The OCI might be a big deal, it might not. Maybe firms just don't want to spend the money to go if they don't think there's much of a market. And I'm sure career services could get you in contact with plenty of Cali firms if you asked; the resources are there for you to use.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you apply to any other Cali schools?

The Cali schools that I would have actually considered going to (USC/UCLA) did not send me fee waivers...if you look at my LSN, I only applied to schools I got FWs from because at the time I didn't have much cash (which is why I only applied to half of the T14), so I had to spread my money wisely.  In retrospect, I wish I had just borrowed the money from my mom to apply to more schools.  Live and learn, I guess.  Re: WUSTL, I hope you're wrong...I really don't want to convince myself away from a great school with zero debt (technically the best school I've gotten into at this point...rank-wise at least).  I'm going to visit there within the next week or 2, so maybe I should wait until then to pass judgement. 

Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 02, 2007, 01:17:56 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?

Wow. Well, it would depend on how your criteria would shift; I stick by WUSTL, though, and especially with that tuition I imagine that'd be your pick if you were forced right now. Right?

Haha....well, retaking the LSAT and reapplying next year (I underperformed by a few points and I konw I could do better on a retake) is always an option, so that's in the back of my mind.  I guess if forced to choose right now, I'd take WUSTL and keep mailing GULC letters of continued interest.  The thing is, I'm really obsessed with placement data, and while WUSTL does very well in the midwest (somewhere I'm pretty sure I DON'T want to end up), it struggles in my market of choice (CA), and doesn't do as well in the northeast as its peer schools...those are the main things stopping me from jumping at WUSTL right now.

From your LSN, it looks like you applied to very few west coast schools... I'm guessing that you wanted to spend 3 years somewhere other than Cali. If you're concerned about WUSTL's Cali placement, I would try calling their career services people. I wonder if poor placement is merely a reflection of self-selection, or if California firms genuinely have no love for WUSTL. Graduating with virtually no debt is no joke, and offers a level of flexibility that could probably overcome the Cali problem (you wouldn't have to land that V20 Cali firm, for example...)

NEWS BREAK:  I literally JUST got the mail and I got HELD at Cornell..."Too many applications for too small a class, yada yada...we'll reevaluate applications once more people accept/deny around early MAY."  :-/  So, basically I've got to WAIT to get WAITLISTED.  Anyway...yeah, I definitely know that zero debt is nothing to sneeze at and I'm sure a big part of WUSTL placement is self-selection, but they also have the least number of total firms come to OCI (http://www.nalplawschools.org/), and I have pretty big misgivings about the midwest....I'm your typical liberal SoCal kid who only plans to live on the coasts and has some pretty strong preconceived notions (fair or not) about the middle/southern states.

Are you trying to convince yourself not to go to WUSTL? Are you sure it's actually in the running?

The OCI might be a big deal, it might not. Maybe firms just don't want to spend the money to go if they don't think there's much of a market. And I'm sure career services could get you in contact with plenty of Cali firms if you asked; the resources are there for you to use.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you apply to any other Cali schools?

The Cali schools that I would have actually considered going to (USC/UCLA) did not send me fee waivers...if you look at my LSN, I only applied to schools I got FWs from because at the time I didn't have much cash (which is why I only applied to half of the T14), so I had to spread my applications wisely.  In retrospect, I wish I had just borrowed the money from my mom to apply to more schools.  Live and learn, I guess.  Re: WUSTL, I hope you're wrong...I really don't want to convince myself away from a great school with zero debt (technically the best school I've gotten into at this point...rank-wise at least).  I'm going to visit there within the next week or 2, so maybe I should wait until then to pass judgement. 



Now that I know you haven't been there, I'm withholding judgment. Go there, talk to the students, get a feel for the atmosphere... if you're still worried about being in the midwest, then strike WUSTL from the list. I'm not exactly sure what about the midwest you're worried about, but keep in mind you'd be in St. Louis, which as I understand is a nice bustling city; it's not exactly farm country, I think. I hear it's especially great for young people.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: SBToLaw on April 02, 2007, 01:28:14 PM
C&C (is that Command and Conquer?): that's tough. All 3 are great schools. I would suggest WUSTL, though; also, I have heard nothing but great things about Saint Louis.

whoneeds: I think you're already on the path to eliminating Hastings. You are well ahead of many people in that you recognize that the next 3 years of your life still actually count (you'd be surprised how many people pretend like the next 3 years are "throwaway" years); right now I would suggest Fordham, but I wonder how everything would look if you tossed Hastings aside. If you're absolutely sure that Fordham is still in the running, though, that would be my pick, despite USD's happiness/much closer to family.

C&C = C&C Music Factory...I'm an imposter of an xoxo moniker.  How about this to make things more difficult:  WUSTL = full 3-year scholarship, I'm on the *priority* priority WL at GULC, and I'm still waiting to hear from Vandy, Cornell (the decision has been mailed), and Columbia (likely ding).  Suggestions?

Wow. Well, it would depend on how your criteria would shift; I stick by WUSTL, though, and especially with that tuition I imagine that'd be your pick if you were forced right now. Right?

Haha....well, retaking the LSAT and reapplying next year (I underperformed by a few points and I konw I could do better on a retake) is always an option, so that's in the back of my mind.  I guess if forced to choose right now, I'd take WUSTL and keep mailing GULC letters of continued interest.  The thing is, I'm really obsessed with placement data, and while WUSTL does very well in the midwest (somewhere I'm pretty sure I DON'T want to end up), it struggles in my market of choice (CA), and doesn't do as well in the northeast as its peer schools...those are the main things stopping me from jumping at WUSTL right now.

From your LSN, it looks like you applied to very few west coast schools... I'm guessing that you wanted to spend 3 years somewhere other than Cali. If you're concerned about WUSTL's Cali placement, I would try calling their career services people. I wonder if poor placement is merely a reflection of self-selection, or if California firms genuinely have no love for WUSTL. Graduating with virtually no debt is no joke, and offers a level of flexibility that could probably overcome the Cali problem (you wouldn't have to land that V20 Cali firm, for example...)

NEWS BREAK:  I literally JUST got the mail and I got HELD at Cornell..."Too many applications for too small a class, yada yada...we'll reevaluate applications once more people accept/deny around early MAY."  :-/  So, basically I've got to WAIT to get WAITLISTED.  Anyway...yeah, I definitely know that zero debt is nothing to sneeze at and I'm sure a big part of WUSTL placement is self-selection, but they also have the least number of total firms come to OCI (http://www.nalplawschools.org/), and I have pretty big misgivings about the midwest....I'm your typical liberal SoCal kid who only plans to live on the coasts and has some pretty strong preconceived notions (fair or not) about the middle/southern states.

Are you trying to convince yourself not to go to WUSTL? Are you sure it's actually in the running?

The OCI might be a big deal, it might not. Maybe firms just don't want to spend the money to go if they don't think there's much of a market. And I'm sure career services could get you in contact with plenty of Cali firms if you asked; the resources are there for you to use.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you apply to any other Cali schools?

The Cali schools that I would have actually considered going to (USC/UCLA) did not send me fee waivers...if you look at my LSN, I only applied to schools I got FWs from because at the time I didn't have much cash (which is why I only applied to half of the T14), so I had to spread my applications wisely.  In retrospect, I wish I had just borrowed the money from my mom to apply to more schools.  Live and learn, I guess.  Re: WUSTL, I hope you're wrong...I really don't want to convince myself away from a great school with zero debt (technically the best school I've gotten into at this point...rank-wise at least).  I'm going to visit there within the next week or 2, so maybe I should wait until then to pass judgement. 



Now that I know you haven't been there, I'm withholding judgment. Go there, talk to the students, get a feel for the atmosphere... if you're still worried about being in the midwest, then strike WUSTL from the list. I'm not exactly sure what about the midwest you're worried about, but keep in mind you'd be in St. Louis, which as I understand is a nice bustling city; it's not exactly farm country, I think. I hear it's especially great for young people.

Cool.  Thanks a lot for the level-headed response.  I'll do the same, and withold judgement until I go to visit.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 07:24:29 AM
Daily bump.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 03, 2007, 07:35:53 AM
I'm going to Fordham.  It's decided.

Thanks for your help!   :-*

Yay!  Congrats Chica!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 07:38:46 AM
I'm going to Fordham.  It's decided.

Thanks for your help!   :-*

I told you. Mind doing unpaid testimonial to help promote my SuperSystem?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on April 03, 2007, 07:51:50 AM
I'm going to Fordham.  It's decided.

Thanks for your help!   :-*

Congratulations, Chica!  I'm so excited for you!  :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 09:01:25 AM
I'm going to Fordham.  It's decided.

Thanks for your help!   :-*

Congratulations, Chica!  I'm so excited for you!  :)

Thanks!

It's a shame though - I really really liked Houston (the city).  The school was another story, but I was really happy about staying in warm weather!

Now I have to go buy, like, sweaters and stuff.  I'm not sure I can handle living in the NE again.   :D

Winter wear is much cuter anyway.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: sladkaya on April 03, 2007, 09:04:35 AM
Since it works so well and I'm so confused.

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Vanderbilt vs. UT

1. UT - 5
2. Vandy - 4
3. Vandy - 1
4. Tied - 2
5. Vandy - 3
6. Vandy and UT both pop into my head, in that order
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 03, 2007, 09:05:18 AM
I'm going to Fordham.  It's decided.

Thanks for your help!   :-*

Congratulations, Chica!  I'm so excited for you!  :)

Thanks!

It's a shame though - I really really liked Houston (the city).  The school was another story, but I was really happy about staying in warm weather!

Now I have to go buy, like, sweaters and stuff.  I'm not sure I can handle living in the NE again.   :D

Winter wear is much cuter anyway.

tiNtcr
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 09:07:33 AM
slad: I imagine everyone around you is telling you UT, no question. But that would be wrong: go to Vandy, and you won't have any regrets.

Moni: I'm sorry, but I stand by my answer. Winter wear is simply too cute. Wearing short shorts and a tube top in the summer is just too easy and requires no thought.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 03, 2007, 09:07:45 AM
I'm going to Fordham.  It's decided.

Thanks for your help!   :-*

Congratulations, Chica!  I'm so excited for you!  :)

Thanks!

It's a shame though - I really really liked Houston (the city).  The school was another story, but I was really happy about staying in warm weather!

Now I have to go buy, like, sweaters and stuff.  I'm not sure I can handle living in the NE again.   :D

Winter wear is much cuter anyway.

tiNtcr

agreed
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 03, 2007, 09:15:01 AM
slad: I imagine everyone around you is telling you UT, no question. But that would be wrong: go to Vandy, and you won't have any regrets.

Moni: I'm sorry, but I stand by my answer. Winter wear is simply too cute. Wearing short shorts and a tube top in the summer is just too easy and requires no thought.

You're also from the south, where winters are much milder.  When you're dressing solely for warmth, it's a completely different story.  And I never wear shorts or tube tops, so my summer attire is thoughtfully cute. ;)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 09:16:28 AM
slad: I imagine everyone around you is telling you UT, no question. But that would be wrong: go to Vandy, and you won't have any regrets.

Moni: I'm sorry, but I stand by my answer. Winter wear is simply too cute. Wearing short shorts and a tube top in the summer is just too easy and requires no thought.

You're also from the south, where winters are much milder.  When you're dressing solely for warmth, it's a completely different story.  And I never wear shorts or tube tops, so my summer attire is thoughtfully cute. ;)

How hot does it get in Bermuda? I lived in Central Texas, and in order to not drown to death in your own sweat, there were no options when it came to what to wear. Shirt and shorts. That's it.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 03, 2007, 09:25:17 AM
slad: I imagine everyone around you is telling you UT, no question. But that would be wrong: go to Vandy, and you won't have any regrets.

Moni: I'm sorry, but I stand by my answer. Winter wear is simply too cute. Wearing short shorts and a tube top in the summer is just too easy and requires no thought.

You're also from the south, where winters are much milder.  When you're dressing solely for warmth, it's a completely different story.  And I never wear shorts or tube tops, so my summer attire is thoughtfully cute. ;)

How hot does it get in Bermuda? I lived in Central Texas, and in order to not drown to death in your own sweat, there were no options when it came to what to wear. Shirt and shorts. That's it.

Hottest is tends to be 80s with mid-80% humidity.  Those lovely ocean breezes tend to keep it moving.  And yes, I wear skirts or cropped pants (bda shorts are as short as I go) all summer long with no problem.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: rtqw on April 03, 2007, 09:36:33 AM
I have pale skin, so I don't particularly look good in shorts. Go winter wear!

(I guess I'm sort of self-trolling Michigan for myself now)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: sladkaya on April 03, 2007, 10:28:04 AM
slad: I imagine everyone around you is telling you UT, no question. But that would be wrong: go to Vandy, and you won't have any regrets.

Thanks Johnny!

Now, to make things interesting, my new analysis, now that Northwestern is back in the picture (just got an e-mail about my financial award - institutional loans for remainder of tuition and all living expenses) :

UT vs. Vandy vs. Northwestern

1. UT - 5
2. Vandy - 4, but Northwestern has guaranteed loans and Vandy's tuition has to come out of our income
3. Northwestern - 1
4. Northwestern - 3
5. Northwestern - 2
6. ironically, UT

I'm supremely confused, and while I think I'd love Vandy, if I have to move anyway, I'd rather move to go to the school that will give me better options after graduation, which is Northwestern.  At the same time, I'm rather unprepared to deal with freezing winters and long commutes after 10 years in Texas.  That's why I think UT in #6 is the knee-jerk reaction.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 10:34:24 AM
slad: I imagine everyone around you is telling you UT, no question. But that would be wrong: go to Vandy, and you won't have any regrets.

Thanks Johnny!

Now, to make things interesting, my new analysis, now that Northwestern is back in the picture (just got an e-mail about my financial award - institutional loans for remainder of tuition and all living expenses) :

UT vs. Vandy vs. Northwestern

1. UT - 5
2. Vandy - 4, but Northwestern has guaranteed loans and Vandy's tuition has to come out of our income
3. Northwestern - 1
4. Northwestern - 3
5. Northwestern - 2
6. ironically, UT

I'm supremely confused, and while I think I'd love Vandy, if I have to move anyway, I'd rather move to go to the school that will give me better options after graduation, which is Northwestern.  At the same time, I'm rather unprepared to deal with freezing winters and long commutes after 10 years in Texas.  That's why I think UT in #6 is the knee-jerk reaction.


Well, that is quite an interesting dilemma! Congrats on having the fortune of such a tough choice! Welcome to something I call Triangular Reasoning, in which A>B>C>A. Kind of.

Of course, my answer is UT; perhaps you would be best served if rather than choosing from all 3, you eliminated one, then went head-to-head.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: sladkaya on April 03, 2007, 10:44:22 AM
Well, that is quite an interesting dilemma! Congrats on having the fortune of such a tough choice! Welcome to something I call Triangular Reasoning, in which A>B>C>A. Kind of.
Of course, my answer is UT; perhaps you would be best served if rather than choosing from all 3, you eliminated one, then went head-to-head.

Yes, exactly.  Between UT and Vandy, I'm leaning towards Vandy.  Between Vandy and Northwestern, I'm leaning towards Northwestern.  Between Northwestern and UT, I'm leaning towards UT.  ;D  Time to book some plain tickets!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 10:47:02 AM
Well, that is quite an interesting dilemma! Congrats on having the fortune of such a tough choice! Welcome to something I call Triangular Reasoning, in which A>B>C>A. Kind of.
Of course, my answer is UT; perhaps you would be best served if rather than choosing from all 3, you eliminated one, then went head-to-head.

Yes, exactly.  Between UT and Vandy, I'm leaning towards Vandy.  Between Vandy and Northwestern, I'm leaning towards Northwestern.  Between Northwestern and UT, I'm leaning towards UT.  ;D  Time to book some plain tickets!

That's quite a dilemma. In this situation, I would recommend deciding what is most important to you, then eliminate the one you think scores worst there. For me, if everything was absolutely tied, I'd go with the one that I felt I would be happiest in. Of course, if your happiness quotient is a combination of atmosphere, location, job prospects, etc., well, all I can say is good luck. It sounds, however, that there is a much greater chance that you would be miserable at NU than the other 2.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: loco on April 03, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
loco: Despite its lower ranking (which is clearly most important to you), go with Georgetown. Have you visited, though? If not, you really should; I've heard bad things about it, bad enough to possibly take it out of the running for you so that you don't really have a decision to make.

Oops . . . I thought 1 was for the most important and 5 for the least important (ie. I intended to put job prospects as most important, and rank as least).  Does your opinion change with these updated rankings?

And yes, I did visit Georgetown and did not find the size overly worrisome (although I suspect that the hinderances of a large class size would be felt more by the current students, who might be fighting each other for access to advising/career resources, etc.)

1. Location - Georgetown - 2
2. Cost - Georgetown/Michigan - 4
3. Rank - Michigan - 1
4. Jobs - Georgetown/Michigan - 5
5. Fit - Michigan - 3
Georgetown

Nothing changes except the strength of my conviction that Georgetown is for you, although I have heard some horror stories about the competitiveness of Georgetown students. If you can deal, Gtown is perfect for you.

Thanks to a generous offer from Cardozo, my decision just became a bit harder . . .

1.  Location - Cardozo - 2
2.  Cost - Cardozo - 4
3.  Rank - Michigan - 1
4.  Jobs - Georgetown/Michigan - 5
5.  Fit - Michigan - 3
Georgetown
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 01:20:10 PM
loco: while the offer may be tempting, I'd advise you to stick with Georgetown.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on April 03, 2007, 01:26:15 PM
loco: while the offer may be tempting, I'd advise you to stick with Georgetown.

Do you just always pick whatever school the person picks for the 6th part?

shhh...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 03, 2007, 01:26:51 PM
loco: while the offer may be tempting, I'd advise you to stick with Georgetown.

Do you just always pick whatever school the person picks for the 6th part?

Me? I pick nothing! I am but a slave to the system.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 08:10:39 AM
Daily bump for the most helpful thread on LSD.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 10:57:38 AM
Daily bump for the most helpful thread on LSD.

link?

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,80104.0.html
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: m1 on April 04, 2007, 11:15:09 AM
lets give this a shot:

Considering Penn and Vanderbilt (read: I'm really only considering Penn and schools that i've been waitlisted at, and just haven't gotten around to withdrawing from Vandy yet)

1. Penn
2. Vanderbilt
3. Penn
4. Penn
5. Penn

Penn - I wonder what you are going to recommend  :P
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 11:17:52 AM
lets give this a shot:

Considering Penn and Vanderbilt (read: I'm really only considering Penn and schools that i've been waitlisted at, and just haven't gotten around to withdrawing from Vandy yet)

1. Penn
2. Vanderbilt
3. Penn
4. Penn
5. Penn

Penn - I wonder what you are going to recommend  :P

Umm...

Also, you didn't rank your 1-5 priorities. Until you do that, I'll say Vandy. Why? Because I f-ing can. It's my system.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: m1 on April 04, 2007, 11:20:54 AM
lets give this a shot:

Considering Penn and Vanderbilt (read: I'm really only considering Penn and schools that i've been waitlisted at, and just haven't gotten around to withdrawing from Vandy yet)

1. Penn
2. Vanderbilt
3. Penn
4. Penn
5. Penn

Penn - I wonder what you are going to recommend  :P

Umm...

Also, you didn't rank your 1-5 priorities. Until you do that, I'll say Vandy. Why? Because I f-ing can. It's my system.

Just to spite you and your system, I'm going to withdraw from Vandy :P


1. Penn - 2
2. Vanderbilt - 1
3. Penn - 4
4. Penn - 5
5. Penn - 3

Still Penn.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 11:22:29 AM
lets give this a shot:

Considering Penn and Vanderbilt (read: I'm really only considering Penn and schools that i've been waitlisted at, and just haven't gotten around to withdrawing from Vandy yet)

1. Penn
2. Vanderbilt
3. Penn
4. Penn
5. Penn

Penn - I wonder what you are going to recommend  :P

Umm...

Also, you didn't rank your 1-5 priorities. Until you do that, I'll say Vandy. Why? Because I f-ing can. It's my system.

Just to spite you and your system, I'm going to withdraw from Vandy :P


1. Penn - 2
2. Vanderbilt - 1
3. Penn - 4
4. Penn - 5
5. Penn - 3

Still Penn.

In that case, UVA.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: m1 on April 04, 2007, 11:24:16 AM
general, non-resident waitlist because they didn't wait for my new lsat :( same with Mich (and my UChi, Boalt, Harvard and Yale rejections).  I've still got my fingers crossed for Stanford, but who knows with them.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 11:26:22 AM
general, non-resident waitlist because they didn't wait for my new lsat :( same with Mich (and my UChi, Boalt, Harvard and Yale rejections).  I've still got my fingers crossed for Stanford, but who knows with them.

Penn's freaking fantastic, though. While I hate Philly, I would love the opportunity to take 4 courses at Wharton.

If UVA opens the door, though, come join us... assuming I go to UVA, of course.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: m1 on April 04, 2007, 11:28:13 AM
agreed, penn is rather fantastic and i think i will be very happy there...there's just that lingering concern, the "what if i waited and reapplied" etc. (3.9/166,172 that practically none of the schools (read: other than penn and stanford) saw before they made a decision on my file)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: jmb on April 04, 2007, 11:53:25 AM
San Diego v. Loyola LA

1. USD (4)
2. Loyola (1)
3. Loyola (2)
4. Loyola/USD (5)
5. USD (3)
6. USD

And the genie says...
:)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 11:54:26 AM
jmb: the system says USD, no question.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 03:15:07 PM
People, you should be taking advantage of this incredibly accurate free service.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 04, 2007, 03:18:46 PM
People, you should be taking advantage of this incredibly accurate free service.

does it work for lunch places and bars and stuff? or just law school?

Good question... you could try.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 05, 2007, 07:46:32 AM
Anyone else need help? Please? I don't want to do actual work...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 05, 2007, 09:10:16 AM
Anyone else need help? Please? I don't want to do actual work...

Why don't we figure out where YOU should go to law school?   :D

Because I don't know enough about NYU yet. After April 13th I'll know.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 05, 2007, 09:46:03 AM
Bump for the captain.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Captain on April 05, 2007, 09:52:55 AM
Bump for the captain.

Handy...

Ok, Emory with money or George Washington PT (I'd switch to FT rather quickly)?

I want to work in the northeast (NYC preferably), and I'd prefer a BIGLAW salary (because I've decided to be a whore for money).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 05, 2007, 09:53:27 AM
Bump for the captain.

Handy...

Ok, Emory with money or George Washington PT (I'd switch to FT rather quickly)?

I want to work in the northeast (NYC preferably), and I'd prefer a BIGLAW salary (because I've decided to be a whore for money).

Sorry, that's not the way it works. Refer to the OP on Page 1.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Captain on April 05, 2007, 09:57:48 AM
Bump for the captain.

Handy...

Ok, Emory with money or George Washington PT (I'd switch to FT rather quickly)?

I want to work in the northeast (NYC preferably), and I'd prefer a BIGLAW salary (because I've decided to be a whore for money).

Sorry, that's not the way it works. Refer to the OP on Page 1.

Oh, I have to do something.... Silly rabbit... the internet is where we go to get EASY ANSWERS. I don't want to have to THINK about things. JEEEZ
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 05, 2007, 10:00:24 AM
Bump for the captain.

Handy...

Ok, Emory with money or George Washington PT (I'd switch to FT rather quickly)?

I want to work in the northeast (NYC preferably), and I'd prefer a BIGLAW salary (because I've decided to be a whore for money).

Sorry, that's not the way it works. Refer to the OP on Page 1.

Oh, I have to do something.... Silly rabbit... the internet is where we go to get EASY ANSWERS. I don't want to have to THINK about things. JEEEZ

i think the beauty of johnny's system is that it largely removes "thought" from the process. it's mostly instinctual.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 05, 2007, 10:02:47 AM
Bump for the captain.

Handy...

Ok, Emory with money or George Washington PT (I'd switch to FT rather quickly)?

I want to work in the northeast (NYC preferably), and I'd prefer a BIGLAW salary (because I've decided to be a whore for money).

Sorry, that's not the way it works. Refer to the OP on Page 1.

Oh, I have to do something.... Silly rabbit... the internet is where we go to get EASY ANSWERS. I don't want to have to THINK about things. JEEEZ

i think the beauty of johnny's system is that it largely removes "thought" from the process. it's mostly instinctual.

Another beauty is that it makes you think about what's actually important to you, and where you actually want to be for 3 years.

The most beautiful thing, though, is that if you disagree with my answer, then you didn't need my service in the first place and didn't give honest answers.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Vick on April 05, 2007, 10:03:30 AM
Do me!  Do me!

Deciding mostly between USC and GW.  I've pretty much made up my mind, but I've been second guessing myself lately. 

1. GW 2
2. GW 4
3. USC 3
4. USC 4
5. GW 2
6. GW

Might get more money from USC, but not likely. 
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 05, 2007, 10:04:55 AM
Do me!  Do me!

Deciding mostly between USC and GW.  I've pretty much made up my mind, but I've been second guessing myself lately. 

1. GW 2
2. GW 4
3. USC 3
4. USC 4
5. GW 2
6. GW

Might get more money from USC, but not likely. 

Even though you have 2 2s and 2 4s (a blatant violation of the rules), It would be a waste of time for you to rerank: GW.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Vick on April 05, 2007, 10:07:22 AM
Do me!  Do me!

Deciding mostly between USC and GW.  I've pretty much made up my mind, but I've been second guessing myself lately. 

1. GW 2
2. GW 4
3. USC 3
4. USC 4
5. GW 2
6. GW

Might get more money from USC, but not likely. 

Even though you have 2 2s and 2 4s (a blatant violation of the rules), It would be a waste of time for you to rerank: GW.

The rules were too difficult.  My mind wandered and I started looking out the window.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 05, 2007, 10:15:00 AM
Do me!  Do me!

Deciding mostly between USC and GW.  I've pretty much made up my mind, but I've been second guessing myself lately. 

1. GW 2
2. GW 4
3. USC 3
4. USC 4
5. GW 2
6. GW

Might get more money from USC, but not likely. 

Even though you have 2 2s and 2 4s (a blatant violation of the rules), It would be a waste of time for you to rerank: GW.

The rules were too difficult. My mind wandered and I started looking out the window.

 :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Pugnacious on April 05, 2007, 07:38:12 PM
Bump for the captain.

Handy...

Ok, Emory with money or George Washington PT (I'd switch to FT rather quickly)?

I want to work in the northeast (NYC preferably), and I'd prefer a BIGLAW salary (because I've decided to be a whore for money).

Sorry, that's not the way it works. Refer to the OP on Page 1.

Oh, I have to do something.... Silly rabbit... the internet is where we go to get EASY ANSWERS. I don't want to have to THINK about things. JEEEZ

i think the beauty of johnny's system is that it largely removes "thought" from the process. it's mostly instinctual.

Another beauty is that it makes you think about what's actually important to you, and where you actually want to be for 3 years.

The most beautiful thing, though, is that if you disagree with my answer, then you didn't need my service in the first place and didn't give honest answers.

So true!!  ;D
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: lawgirl442 on April 05, 2007, 09:30:26 PM
I wanna play!  Choices are Cornell, UVA, and W&L.


1. UVA 3
2. W&L, by A LOT 4
3. UVA 1
4. UVA 2 
5. UVA 5
6. Cornell

Interesting....
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 06, 2007, 02:58:29 PM
I wanna play!  Choices are Cornell, UVA, and W&L.


1. UVA 3
2. W&L, by A LOT 4
3. UVA 1
4. UVA 2 
5. UVA 5
6. Cornell

Interesting....

... Are you sure Cornell is in the picture? Because according to the system, Cornell is the choice, yet you seem to prefer UVA in every way... are you sure your answers are correct? Is Cornell really the first one that comes to your mind?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 06, 2007, 03:37:39 PM
I wanna play!  Choices are Cornell, UVA, and W&L.


1. UVA 3
2. W&L, by A LOT 4
3. UVA 1
4. UVA 2 
5. UVA 5
6. Cornell

Interesting....

... Are you sure Cornell is in the picture? Because according to the system, Cornell is the choice, yet you seem to prefer UVA in every way... are you sure your answers are correct? Is Cornell really the first one that comes to your mind?

Hee hee hee.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: lawgirl442 on April 07, 2007, 08:10:18 AM
Well....no. Maybe UVA is the first one I thought of.  When I did it the first time, I thought of Cornell only because Cornell didn't get to have its name in any other slots...I felt bad for it, so I thought of it first.

But doing it now, I think of UVA.  I think I should go there.

Unless I get into Penn.  Then I'll have to retake "the system".
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 07, 2007, 09:11:57 AM
Well....no. Maybe UVA is the first one I thought of.  When I did it the first time, I thought of Cornell only because Cornell didn't get to have its name in any other slots...I felt bad for it, so I thought of it first.

But doing it now, I think of UVA.  I think I should go there.

Unless I get into Penn.  Then I'll have to retake "the system".

Yeah, definitely go to UVA. That's where all us cool people will be.

And I don't want to discourage you from Cornell; if that's where your heart truly lies, then by all means go; it just seemed like all signs were pointing to UVA.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 07, 2007, 01:48:11 PM
Johnny, I may have to re-take this test after Chi's ASW next week...so be prepared for me!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: The Legal Super Trooper on April 07, 2007, 01:53:37 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

Ok, so I have seen this thread explode over the past few weeks.  I need some help now. Here are the numbers.  Help me out Johnny!

1. Lewis & Clark - 4
2. UConn - 1
3. UConn - 2
4. UConn/Lewis & Clark - 5
5. UConn - 3
6. Lewis & Clark
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: SugarJ on April 07, 2007, 05:12:48 PM
THANK YOU for making this post Johnny!

I'll play - even though I'm decided:

1. Vandy/ Cornell 5
2. Cornell 2
3. Cornell 3
4. Cornell 1
5. Vandy 4
6. Cornell

Looks like I made the right choice


Edit: Whoops, I can read. I ordered them #1 as the most important and #5 as the least.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 07, 2007, 05:16:32 PM
Super Trooper: I think you'd rather find yourself in the Pacific NW than New England. Go with L&C.

SugarJ: Cornell, obviously. Well played.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: mathlete on April 07, 2007, 10:48:25 PM
I'd like to get a second opinion since I think I'll be sending in my deposit in the next week.

Northwestern vs. Georgetown
1.   Georgetown-4
2.   Northwestern/Georgetown-1
3.   Northwestern-2
4.   Northwestern-3
5.   Northwestern-5
6.   Northwestern

Ahhh would really like to be on the east coast though.

NW unless you want DC specifically
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 08, 2007, 10:16:35 AM
I'd like to get a second opinion since I think I'll be sending in my deposit in the next week.

Northwestern vs. Georgetown
1.   Georgetown-4
2.   Northwestern/Georgetown-1
3.   Northwestern-2
4.   Northwestern-3
5.   Northwestern-5
6.   Northwestern

Ahhh would really like to be on the east coast though.

The system agrees with mathlete: NW. You can always spend your summers on the east coast; why do you want to be there anyway? Apparently it's not a strong enough reason.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Captain on April 08, 2007, 08:36:40 PM
Fine, I did one....


1. (Iocation) GW 3
2. (cost) Emory 1
3. (ranking) Tie 4
4. (Jobs) GW, maybe 5
5. (Personality) Not Sure/Tie 2
6. Emory
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 09, 2007, 04:43:19 AM
With GW part-time?  I'd definitely do Emory if I were you.  Atlanta is nice!  Seriously!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Captain on April 09, 2007, 05:37:34 AM
With GW part-time?  I'd definitely do Emory if I were you.  Atlanta is nice!  Seriously!

My primary hold-up is as follows:

Starting Salary (private sector) 25%-75%

Emory: $65,000 / $110,000
GW: $100,000 / $125,000

Median Starting Salary (private sector

Emory: $90,000
GW: $125,000


This makes  it look to me, like GW has better job prospects... No?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 09, 2007, 05:40:15 AM
Oh, I gotcha.  Part of that difference is going to be made up for by col in Atlanta versus col in DC, though.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 09, 2007, 07:43:54 AM
Captain: Emory. The discussion about CoL is correct: let's put it this way. 160k in NYC has the same purchasing power as 75k in Atlanta. That's right. 75k. 140k in DC = 100k in Atlanta.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 09, 2007, 01:13:28 PM
Bump.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Captain on April 09, 2007, 01:32:18 PM
With GW part-time?  I'd definitely do Emory if I were you.  Atlanta is nice!  Seriously!

My primary hold-up is as follows:

Starting Salary (private sector) 25%-75%

Emory: $65,000 / $110,000
GW: $100,000 / $125,000

Median Starting Salary (private sector

Emory: $90,000
GW: $125,000


This makes  it look to me, like GW has better job prospects... No?

GW's starting salaries are skewed up ward vs. Emory by their superior DC and NYC placement. Median salaries at Emory are less overall because cost-of-living is so much lower in the south where they place most of their graduates.

You can live a much cushier life in Atlanta on $90k than in DC or NYC at $125k.

I'd be quite happy in my crappy NYC apartment earning $35k more per year... I want to work in New York after law school, and while ASD made me all warm and fuzzy about that prospect from Emory, those numbers make it look less likely.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: waiting to be converted on April 09, 2007, 01:56:44 PM
1. Seattle U - 1
2. Seattle U  - 3
3. BU - 4
4. BU - 2
5. Tie  - 5
6. BU

This decision is killing me.  Family's in the east, but I love the pacific northwest.  Nice scholarship with Seattle U.  Older, so i won't be returning even if BU had the portablity.  Job prospects with Seattle U a concern. ugh
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 09, 2007, 01:59:23 PM
1. Seattle U - 1
2. Seattle U  - 3
3. BU - 4
4. BU - 2
5. Tie  - 5
6. BU

This decision is killing me.  Family's in the east, but I love the pacific northwest.  Nice scholarship with Seattle U.  Older, so i won't be returning even if BU had the portablity.  Job prospects with Seattle U a concern. ugh

BU is the right decision. I guess you're in the PNW now? Tough to leave, especially if it means forever, but now is the time.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 09, 2007, 02:09:18 PM
UVa for $108k over 3 years or NYU for $183k?

Aren't you a moderator on TLS? With a LiLo tar? I think you advised me to take NYU, no question.

Anyway, I can't help you yet: I need to refer you to Page 1.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 09, 2007, 02:16:41 PM
I think you're thinking of someone else on TLS...  :-X

Anyway, sorry about my sucky reading comprehension. I will go back and follow directions (no wonder I flunked the LSAT).

This isn't you?

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/tls3398-0-desc-0.html

LiLo as in Lindsay Lohan, not as in Lilo and Stitch.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 09, 2007, 02:18:24 PM
I think you're thinking of someone else on TLS...  :-X

Anyway, sorry about my sucky reading comprehension. I will go back and follow directions (no wonder I flunked the LSAT).

dude, it doesn't work if you have the same handle  ;)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 09, 2007, 02:20:34 PM
Between NYU/UVa...

1. NYU 3
2. UVa 5
3. NYU 1
4. NYU 4
5. NYU 2
6. NYU



NYU. Your dad might not think NYU is worth 80k more than UVA, but you do, and that's what matters.

FWIW I'm taking UVA (probably), and I don't have the scholarship you do. Actually, I have 25k from NYU. If you visited both and NYU was where you clearly wanted to be, go.

Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: MelissaM on April 09, 2007, 02:22:34 PM
1. John Marshall - Atlanta 3
2. John Marshall - Atlanta 4
3. South Texas (same tier but fully accredited) 1
4. John Marshall - Atlanta (all around practical application) 5
5. John Marshall - Atlanta 2
6. John Marshall - Atlanta

I'm not really interested in rankings because I'm not going to a top 100 school and I'm ok with that. South TX is fully accredited while John Marshall Atlanta is provisionally accredited, but I've been there a few times and the process looks to be very positive. The school seems to be very up and coming. South TX has a higher average starting salary but I don't know much about Houston and was there once, briefly. Any insight?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 09, 2007, 02:24:28 PM
1. John Marshall - Atlanta 3
2. John Marshall - Atlanta 4
3. South Texas (same tier but fully accredited) 1
4. John Marshall - Atlanta (all around practical application) 5
5. John Marshall - Atlanta 2
6. John Marshall - Atlanta

I'm not really interested in rankings because I'm not going to a top 100 school and I'm ok with that. South TX is fully accredited while John Marshall Atlanta is provisionally accredited, but I've been there a few times and the process looks to be very positive. The school seems to be very up and coming. South TX has a higher average starting salary but I don't know much about Houston and was there once, briefly. Any insight?

Before committing, I would STRONGLY recommend visiting South Texas first. However, it sounds like you really like Atlanta, so I'd go with John Marshall with no hesitation. Be careful about the accreditation, though...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: MelissaM on April 09, 2007, 02:28:02 PM


Before committing, I would STRONGLY recommend visiting South Texas first. However, it sounds like you really like Atlanta, so I'd go with John Marshall with no hesitation. Be careful about the accreditation, though...

I have visited South TX but did not get to see the city, however from what I hear I won't be doing much outside the school while I'm in school so perhaps the city is not a big deal. South TX has a really nice Library and courtroom anyway
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: polaremu on April 09, 2007, 05:43:16 PM
Johnny, I want help too!

Duke, UVA, Northwestern, Columbia, Chicago

1. Location: Duke 1
2. Cost: Northwestern 4
3. Highest Ranked School: Columbia 2
4. Best Job Prospects: Chicago/Columbia 5
5. Personality: UVA 3
Chicago

 
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 08:43:32 AM
Johnny, I want help too!

Duke, UVA, Northwestern, Columbia, Chicago

1. Location: Duke 1
2. Cost: Northwestern 4
3. Highest Ranked School: Columbia 2
4. Best Job Prospects: Chicago/Columbia 5
5. Personality: UVA 3
Chicago

 


Hmm... having so many possible choices makes this a bit more difficult... you really should try cutting some down if you can. That said, I would say go to Chicago... but it is worrisome that you find UVA to best match your personality, as Chicago has a rep of being the complete opposite.

Chicago.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 10, 2007, 09:29:49 AM
Johnny, I want help too!

Duke, UVA, Northwestern, Columbia, Chicago

1. Location: Duke 1
2. Cost: Northwestern 4
3. Highest Ranked School: Columbia 2
4. Best Job Prospects: Chicago/Columbia 5
5. Personality: UVA 3
Chicago

 


Hmm... having so many possible choices makes this a bit more difficult... you really should try cutting some down if you can. That said, I would say go to Chicago... but it is worrisome that you find UVA to best match your personality, as Chicago has a rep of being the complete opposite.

Chicago.

agreed.

sidenote:  5 choices is too much, should be limited to 3
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dancerina on April 10, 2007, 09:37:26 AM
i wish i could use this system johnny...but, seeing its obvious how it works i cant do it...ill be overthinkign the "which one comes to mind first " part

damn..think of a new sytem  ;)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 09:40:26 AM
i wish i could use this system johnny...but, seeing its obvious how it works i cant do it...ill be overthinkign the "which one comes to mind first " part

damn..think of a new sytem  ;)

Ok. New system: when in doubt, pick the school whose nickname isn't the Quakers.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 10, 2007, 11:40:38 AM
Emory vs. USC

1. Emory - 4
2. Emory - 3
3. USC - 2
4. USC - 5
5. USC - 1
6. USC

Obviously subject to change on my visit to USC in a couple of weeks. And I ranked not necessarily just on how important the category is, but also how much of a difference there is between the two. For example, I have no idea whether USC or Emory fits my personality better since I have such a limited grasp of USC.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 11:42:52 AM
Emory vs. USC

1. Emory - 4
2. Emory - 3
3. USC - 2
4. USC - 5
5. USC - 1
6. USC

Obviously subject to change on my visit to USC in a couple of weeks. And I ranked not necessarily just on how important the category is, but also how much of a difference there is between the two. For example, I have no idea whether USC or Emory fits my personality better since I have such a limited grasp of USC.

My advice might change after your visit, but I would say USC. You like Atlanta more than LA? Interesting... Come back in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: wtwall on April 10, 2007, 11:43:06 AM
Kent v. SLU:

1. Kent   3
2. SLU   4
3. Kent   1
4. Kent   5
5. Kent   2
6. Kent

ANY insights are appreciated.  I know the ranking difference b/w these two probably doesn't translate to much.  I'm so torn b/w the two -- I know St. Louis a lot better, but something clicked in Chicago.  It's important to mention I was comfortable at both; I was sold on SLU till I visited Kent.  I've visited both, like both, and SLU (with my scholarship and COL) is significantly cheaper.

Plus, this all changes if Iowa decides to let me in.  That's immaterial at this point, though.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 10, 2007, 11:44:46 AM
Emory vs. USC

1. Emory - 4
2. Emory - 3
3. USC - 2
4. USC - 5
5. USC - 1
6. USC

Obviously subject to change on my visit to USC in a couple of weeks. And I ranked not necessarily just on how important the category is, but also how much of a difference there is between the two. For example, I have no idea whether USC or Emory fits my personality better since I have such a limited grasp of USC.

My advice might change after your visit, but I would say USC. You like Atlanta more than LA? Interesting... Come back in a couple weeks.

I do, but that's possibly because I know and like Atlanta whereas I have no firsthand knowledge of California or LA. Anyway, will do. Right after I put down a deposit at Emory just to be safe. I wish they'd standardize their deposit dates.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 11:45:27 AM
Kent v. SLU:

1. Kent   3
2. SLU   4
3. Kent   1
4. Kent   5
5. Kent   2
6. Kent

ANY insights are appreciated.  I know the ranking difference b/w these two probably doesn't translate to much.  I'm so torn b/w the two -- I know St. Louis a lot better, but something clicked in Chicago.  It's important to mention I was comfortable at both; I was sold on SLU till I visited Kent.  I've visited both, like both, and SLU (with my scholarship and COL) is significantly cheaper.

Plus, this all changes if Iowa decides to let me in.  That's immaterial at this point, though.

You'd probably be happy at either school, but I'd advise you to go for Kent. The added expense at Kent is a burden, but not insurmountable. Have you tried asking Kent for any $?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 11:46:11 AM
Emory vs. USC

1. Emory - 4
2. Emory - 3
3. USC - 2
4. USC - 5
5. USC - 1
6. USC

Obviously subject to change on my visit to USC in a couple of weeks. And I ranked not necessarily just on how important the category is, but also how much of a difference there is between the two. For example, I have no idea whether USC or Emory fits my personality better since I have such a limited grasp of USC.

My advice might change after your visit, but I would say USC. You like Atlanta more than LA? Interesting... Come back in a couple weeks.

I do, but that's possibly because I know and like Atlanta whereas I have no firsthand knowledge of California or LA. Anyway, will do. Right after I put down a deposit at Emory just to be safe. I wish they'd standardize their deposit dates.

Curious aside: how much do you like college sports?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: m1 on April 10, 2007, 11:46:57 AM
i wish i could use this system johnny...but, seeing its obvious how it works i cant do it...ill be overthinkign the "which one comes to mind first " part

damn..think of a new sytem  ;)

I've come up with a new system, you should test it out.

Pick your top two choices.  Arrange them in alphabetical order, then pick the first one.  ;)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: botbot on April 10, 2007, 11:48:23 AM
Tulane
UTexas

1. Tulane -5
2. UT - 3
3. UT - 1
4. UT - 4
5. Tulane - 2
6. Tulane
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: m1 on April 10, 2007, 11:49:40 AM
Tulane
UT

1. Tulane -5
2. UT - 3
3. UT - 1
4. UT - 4
5. Tulane - 2
6. Tulane


UTex or U of Tenn?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 11:50:07 AM
i wish i could use this system johnny...but, seeing its obvious how it works i cant do it...ill be overthinkign the "which one comes to mind first " part

damn..think of a new sytem  ;)

I've come up with a new system, you should test it out.

Pick your top two choices.  Arrange them in alphabetical order, then pick the first one.  ;)

Good idea. But do it when you're drunk:

Uinvesadeityt of vairgiba
Unaoinhesty ofvd pensdylavdni

UVA wins!!!

botbot: UT is Tennessee, yes? Well, it's irrelevant: go to Tulane. NOLA is back, baby.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 10, 2007, 11:50:53 AM
Emory vs. USC

1. Emory - 4
2. Emory - 3
3. USC - 2
4. USC - 5
5. USC - 1
6. USC

Obviously subject to change on my visit to USC in a couple of weeks. And I ranked not necessarily just on how important the category is, but also how much of a difference there is between the two. For example, I have no idea whether USC or Emory fits my personality better since I have such a limited grasp of USC.

My advice might change after your visit, but I would say USC. You like Atlanta more than LA? Interesting... Come back in a couple weeks.

I do, but that's possibly because I know and like Atlanta whereas I have no firsthand knowledge of California or LA. Anyway, will do. Right after I put down a deposit at Emory just to be safe. I wish they'd standardize their deposit dates.

Curious aside: how much do you like college sports?

quite a bit. which does give USC a slight edge, but keep in mind I've been a UT fan for the past 20 years or so. Someone might object to my Vince Young, National Champions shirt. (just kidding. I own no UT wear) What is Emory's mascot anyway?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: botbot on April 10, 2007, 11:51:41 AM
Tulane
UT

1. Tulane -5
2. UT - 3
3. UT - 1
4. UT - 4
5. Tulane - 2
6. Tulane


UTex or U of Tenn?

Tex
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 11:54:00 AM
Tulane
UT

1. Tulane -5
2. UT - 3
3. UT - 1
4. UT - 4
5. Tulane - 2
6. Tulane


UTex or U of Tenn?

Tex

Well, that is a bit surprising... even so, I stick with Tulane. You should too.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: m1 on April 10, 2007, 11:55:52 AM
i wish i could use this system johnny...but, seeing its obvious how it works i cant do it...ill be overthinkign the "which one comes to mind first " part

damn..think of a new sytem  ;)

I've come up with a new system, you should test it out.

Pick your top two choices.  Arrange them in alphabetical order, then pick the first one.  ;)

Good idea. But do it when you're drunk:

Uinvesadeityt of vairgiba
Unaoinhesty ofvd pensdylavdni

UVA wins!!!

drat, foiled again  >:(  :P
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 10, 2007, 11:56:28 AM
Emory vs. USC

1. Emory - 4
2. Emory - 3
3. USC - 2
4. USC - 5
5. USC - 1
6. USC

Obviously subject to change on my visit to USC in a couple of weeks. And I ranked not necessarily just on how important the category is, but also how much of a difference there is between the two. For example, I have no idea whether USC or Emory fits my personality better since I have such a limited grasp of USC.

My advice might change after your visit, but I would say USC. You like Atlanta more than LA? Interesting... Come back in a couple weeks.

I do, but that's possibly because I know and like Atlanta whereas I have no firsthand knowledge of California or LA. Anyway, will do. Right after I put down a deposit at Emory just to be safe. I wish they'd standardize their deposit dates.

Curious aside: how much do you like college sports?

quite a bit. which does give USC a slight edge, but keep in mind I've been a UT fan for the past 20 years or so. Someone might object to my Vince Young, National Champions shirt. (just kidding. I own no UT wear) What is Emory's mascot anyway?

Emory Eagles!  :D
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 10, 2007, 11:59:01 AM
that's it! that decides it in favor of USC. I can't be an Eagle again. Ultraboring mascots get the thumbs down.  ;) (ps. although I have no love for Penn, Quaker is one of the cooler mascots).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 12:00:04 PM
that's it! that decides it in favor of USC. I can't be an Eagle again. Ultraboring mascots get the thumbs down.  ;) (ps. although I have no love for Penn, Quaker is one of the cooler mascots).

If you had held a gun to my head and asked me what Emory's mascot was, off the top of my head I would have said Eagle. Boring.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 10, 2007, 12:02:42 PM
Does Emory have varsity sports?  I'm from Georgia, even lived in Atlanta for several years, and I seriously don't know.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 10, 2007, 12:08:42 PM
They have Dooley too, who's our beloved old skeleton (clearly I'm outing myself).  Dooley is interesting.  Dooley has lots of character (he shows up to school events with his bodyguards, dressed in black suits and shades, secret-service style).  The summer before freshman year someone asked me what our mascot was and I told them it was Dooley.

Emory only has D3 sports, though our swim team is supposed to be pretty decent (and gets some measure of preferential treatment to go along with it).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 12:10:08 PM
iscored, if it makes you feel any better about your unprofessional priorities, UVA's athletics are a more significant factor in me wanting to go there over NYU than I want to admit.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 10, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
Oh yeah... I think I remember Emory being on the UGA SWIM DAWG's schedule. :)

Johnny, I can relate, re: picking Michigan over Virginia.  It's just that the sports I care about are much different than yours.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 12:15:25 PM
Oh yeah... I think I remember Emory being on the UGA SWIM DAWG's schedule. :)

Johnny, I can relate, re: picking Michigan over Virginia.  It's just that the sports I care about are much different than yours.

Hockey?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 10, 2007, 12:20:44 PM
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,86407.0.html
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 10, 2007, 12:39:35 PM
Oh yeah... I think I remember Emory being on the UGA SWIM DAWG's schedule. :)

Johnny, I can relate, re: picking Michigan over Virginia.  It's just that the sports I care about are much different than yours.

Hockey?

Think girlier.  You and I have had a conversation about this once.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 10, 2007, 12:40:22 PM
Oh yeah... I think I remember Emory being on the UGA SWIM DAWG's schedule. :)

Johnny, I can relate, re: picking Michigan over Virginia.  It's just that the sports I care about are much different than yours.

Hockey?

Think girlier.  You and I have had a conversation about this once.

syncronized swimming?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 10, 2007, 12:46:30 PM
Oh yeah... I think I remember Emory being on the UGA SWIM DAWG's schedule. :)

Johnny, I can relate, re: picking Michigan over Virginia.  It's just that the sports I care about are much different than yours.

Hockey?

Think girlier.  You and I have had a conversation about this once.

Gymnastics. Gotcha. Go W&M! Our men just won something...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: polaremu on April 10, 2007, 03:40:08 PM
Quote
Quote from: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on Today at 10:43:32 AM
Quote from: polaremu on Yesterday at 07:43:16 PM
Johnny, I want help too!

Duke, UVA, Northwestern, Columbia, Chicago

1. Location: Duke 1
2. Cost: Northwestern 4
3. Highest Ranked School: Columbia 2
4. Best Job Prospects: Chicago/Columbia 5
5. Personality: UVA 3
Chicago

 


Hmm... having so many possible choices makes this a bit more difficult... you really should try cutting some down if you can. That said, I would say go to Chicago... but it is worrisome that you find UVA to best match your personality, as Chicago has a rep of being the complete opposite.

Chicago.

agreed.

sidenote:  5 choices is too much, should be limited to 3

I don't even have my choices narrowed down enough to play the game.  :(
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Captain on April 10, 2007, 07:37:51 PM
i wish i could use this system johnny...but, seeing its obvious how it works i cant do it...ill be overthinkign the "which one comes to mind first " part

damn..think of a new sytem  ;)

Ok. New system: when in doubt, pick the school whose nickname isn't the Quakers.

:( I'll hold off on subscribing to that theory until tomorrow, when I am officially rejected.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: bamf on April 10, 2007, 08:18:49 PM
Oh yeah... I think I remember Emory being on the UGA SWIM DAWG's schedule. :)

Johnny, I can relate, re: picking Michigan over Virginia.  It's just that the sports I care about are much different than yours.

Hockey?

Think girlier.  You and I have had a conversation about this once.

Gymnastics. Gotcha. Go W&M! Our men just won something...

sure wasn't ultimate ... VA Tech?  and Richmond?  Really?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: rtqw on April 10, 2007, 08:37:30 PM
I spent my four UG years in a school better known for its chess team than athletics. I think this makes me justified in putting Michigan's athletics in the 'pro' column.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Captain on April 10, 2007, 09:29:12 PM
I spent my four UG years in a school better known for its chess team than athletics. I think this makes me justified in putting Michigan's athletics in the 'pro' column.


I went to an UG known outside of the Northeast primarily because of it's basketball team. I have no super-awesome-sports acceptances right now.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: botbot on April 10, 2007, 09:35:01 PM
I spent my four UG years in a school better known for its chess team than athletics. I think this makes me justified in putting Michigan's athletics in the 'pro' column.


UTD?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: rtqw on April 10, 2007, 09:55:21 PM
I spent my four UG years in a school better known for its chess team than athletics. I think this makes me justified in putting Michigan's athletics in the 'pro' column.


UTD?

No, but I'm sure their sports suck too :) Apparently you have to give full scholarships + large stipends to keep the good chess players at your school for extended periods of time.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: botbot on April 10, 2007, 09:57:31 PM
I did not go to UTD but heard about them treating their chess players like rockstars and winning all sorts of championships.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on April 10, 2007, 10:44:04 PM
I did not go to UTD but heard about them treating their chess players like rockstars and winning all sorts of championships.

I go to UTD as we speak..  yeah, chess players are considered gods by the administration here.  We win important awards for it all of the time.

We don't have a football team however.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 11, 2007, 07:34:45 AM
Good morning bump.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 11, 2007, 10:24:42 AM
Stop being skeptical! It really does work.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Zam on April 11, 2007, 10:25:27 AM
Stop being skeptical! It really does work.

Oh, John. <sighs>
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 12, 2007, 06:37:07 AM
Quote
Quote from: motovino on April 08, 2007, 12:46:35 AM
I'd like to get a second opinion since I think I'll be sending in my deposit in the next week.

Northwestern vs. Georgetown
1.   Georgetown-4
2.   Northwestern/Georgetown-1
3.   Northwestern-2
4.   Northwestern-3
5.   Northwestern-5
6.   Northwestern

Ahhh would really like to be on the east coast though.


The system agrees with mathlete: NW. You can always spend your summers on the east coast; why do you want to be there anyway? Apparently it's not a strong enough reason.

All my friends from UG are either in NYC or DC.  Would be nice if they were only bus-rides instead of plane-rides away.  But yeah, still a weak reason.  1L's aren't supposed to have freetime to visit or have visitors over anyways...

I was just thinking about that last night when I was looking at facebook pics of all my friends hanging out in DC.  I've been out of the country for the past 2 years, so it would have been nice to be near them.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: redacted on April 12, 2007, 06:08:57 PM
Help!

USC, UT, WUSTL ($$)

1. USC - 1
2. WUSTL - 2
3. USC/UT - 4 (I think UT is more prestigious even if USC is ranked higher by US News this year)
4. UT??? - 5 (I think I want to do big/medium law, preferably in Chicago or DC)
5. WUSTL - 3
6. USC

For more info, please see this USC/UT thread:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,86424.0.html

Thanks!


Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: indomitable on April 13, 2007, 08:49:23 AM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

Well, I have an X vs. Y vs. Z thread (although it's looking more and more like it should perhaps be an X vs. Y), so I'll play along.

I have not visited any of these schools and unfortunately will not have the opportunity to do so.

The schools: USC, BU, UMN

1) BU--4
2) UMN/BU--2
3) USC--3
4) BU/USC--5
5) USC--1 ??? (don't really have a feel for any of these, but USC has a slightly smaller class and the students aren't as competitive...or so I hear)
6) USC (but since I was just thinking about and then typing about them in the above question, I may have been primed to think of them first...so this seems a somewhat irrelevant measure)

So there it is...now I'll sit back and see if this system really works.

P.S.--for additional information before handing down a verdict, check out my (cliche) versus thread:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,85886.0.html
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 14, 2007, 08:11:16 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

CLS versus Chicago

1.CLS/Chicago - 3
2.Chicago - 2
3.CLS - 1
4.CLS/Chcago - 4
5.CLS - 5
6.CLS

I'm very conflicted.  Mind you, I just got back from Chi and will use this system as well as making my one and only Help Me Decide threads   :-[
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 14, 2007, 08:24:55 PM
redacted: USC

indomitable: say hello to redacted, your new classmate at USC (how dare you criticize my system?! [also, strike UMN from the list; you're not going there]).

MCB: UVA. Whoops, sorry, I read that wrong. As much fun as Chicago was, you're still going to CLS.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 14, 2007, 08:40:16 PM
redacted: USC

indomitable: say hello to redacted, your new classmate at USC (how dare you criticize my system?! [also, strike UMN from the list; you're not going there]).

MCB: UVA. Whoops, sorry, I read that wrong. As much fun as Chicago was, you're still going to CLS.

LOl thanks for the advice.

What happened with NYU??  I'm so anxious to hear bc i feel like i know you  ;)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 14, 2007, 08:42:01 PM
redacted: USC

indomitable: say hello to redacted, your new classmate at USC (how dare you criticize my system?! [also, strike UMN from the list; you're not going there]).

MCB: UVA. Whoops, sorry, I read that wrong. As much fun as Chicago was, you're still going to CLS.

LOl thanks for the advice.

What happened with NYU??  I'm so anxious to hear bc i feel like i know you  ;)

I posted in our playground and might give more detail there later.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 14, 2007, 08:43:52 PM
Wait, what's your playground?  I wanna know too.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 14, 2007, 08:46:24 PM
Sorry, I can't reveal the location of the batcave:

the CoL really kind of scared me, among other things. I really liked the fact that the faculty is so top-notch, but I also feel that the quality of one's education is determined solely by the student, not the faculty. The way they pushed public interest made me feel uncomfortable, I felt the ASD was incredibly poorly done... I hated their t-shirt; it sounded like the students couldn't take advantage of the city because they were too poor and forced to move to Brooklyn 2L anyway. I hated the facilities. Oh, also the students at the student panel didn't really convey a sense of "we like each other and would like you too"... I'll really miss NYC though.

I can give more detail later in a more apropriate thread.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: redacted on April 14, 2007, 08:52:34 PM
redacted: USC

indomitable: say hello to redacted, your new classmate at USC (how dare you criticize my system?! [also, strike UMN from the list; you're not going there]).

MCB: UVA. Whoops, sorry, I read that wrong. As much fun as Chicago was, you're still going to CLS.

Johnny-

Thanks for your advice.  Did you take a look at the narrative in the other thread?  Or is it all about your system.  I'm curious what you think and appreciate the advice!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 14, 2007, 08:58:36 PM
redacted: USC

indomitable: say hello to redacted, your new classmate at USC (how dare you criticize my system?! [also, strike UMN from the list; you're not going there]).

MCB: UVA. Whoops, sorry, I read that wrong. As much fun as Chicago was, you're still going to CLS.

Johnny-

Thanks for your advice.  Did you take a look at the narrative in the other thread?  Or is it all about your system.  I'm curious what you think and appreciate the advice!

I did read it, but only to give me a background idea of why USC was the correct choice in the first place.

From what I could see, everyone was telling you to go to UT, and yet you always seemed to have a "but..." to follow. You seem like you're already set on USC. Go.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on April 14, 2007, 09:01:42 PM
Sorry, I can't reveal the location of the batcave:

the CoL really kind of scared me, among other things. I really liked the fact that the faculty is so top-notch, but I also feel that the quality of one's education is determined solely by the student, not the faculty. The way they pushed public interest made me feel uncomfortable, I felt the ASD was incredibly poorly done... I hated their t-shirt; it sounded like the students couldn't take advantage of the city because they were too poor and forced to move to Brooklyn 2L anyway. I hated the facilities. Oh, also the students at the student panel didn't really convey a sense of "we like each other and would like you too"... I'll really miss NYC though.

I can give more detail later in a more apropriate thread.

uva 2010 then right??  ;)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 14, 2007, 09:09:30 PM
Sorry, I can't reveal the location of the batcave:

the CoL really kind of scared me, among other things. I really liked the fact that the faculty is so top-notch, but I also feel that the quality of one's education is determined solely by the student, not the faculty. The way they pushed public interest made me feel uncomfortable, I felt the ASD was incredibly poorly done... I hated their t-shirt; it sounded like the students couldn't take advantage of the city because they were too poor and forced to move to Brooklyn 2L anyway. I hated the facilities. Oh, also the students at the student panel didn't really convey a sense of "we like each other and would like you too"... I'll really miss NYC though.

I can give more detail later in a more apropriate thread.

uva 2010 then right??  ;)

It'll be official with my Harvard ding.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: indomitable on April 14, 2007, 10:18:10 PM
Johnny, don't get defensive. It's all the damned psych and soc research methods classes that make me constantly scrutinize analysis methodology :); if I were really that critical of the system, I would probably have avoided asking for its input.

Johnny-

Thanks for your advice.  Did you take a look at the narrative in the other thread?  Or is it all about your system.  I'm curious what you think and appreciate the advice!

I second the question even though the answer for me might be pretty much the same as your reply to the original.

I'm in denial concerning UMN because they've been so very nice! Then again, maybe I'll do something crazy/unexpected (even by me) :o.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: watso059 on April 15, 2007, 07:55:57 PM
Hey,
   I just got into Cumberland, which makes my situation much harder since it is in my state.

1. Location: Cumberland 4
2. Cost: Jones ($44k to $81K at Cumberland) 5
3. Rank: Cumberland 2
4. Job: Cumberland 1
5. Personality: Jones 3
6. Cumberland
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 16, 2007, 07:40:45 AM
Hey,
   I just got into Cumberland, which makes my situation much harder since it is in my state.

1. Location: Cumberland 4
2. Cost: Jones ($44k to $81K at Cumberland) 5
3. Rank: Cumberland 2
4. Job: Cumberland 1
5. Personality: Jones 3
6. Cumberland

Cumberland. Out of curiosity, do you plan on practicing in your home state? Do you have connections? I imagine the added cost is probably scary.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: watso059 on April 16, 2007, 10:15:34 AM
Hey,
   I figured that you would say Cumberland...I just wanted to actually 'hear' it :). My uncle is the founding partner of a firm in my and my wife's hometown and he has promised us both an associate-level job when we pass the bar. The added cost is a little disconcerting, however, I would feel better knowing that, if something were to happen with this job, I would actually be able to get an interview with a degree from Cumberland. My uncle went to Jones. He is a highly competent attorney, but he could not even get an interview with a firm, much less a job offer after graduation. So, I though it wise to get the degree that would offer better placement, even if it is more expensive. What do you think?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 16, 2007, 10:17:19 AM
Hey,
   I figured that you would say Cumberland...I just wanted to actually 'hear' it :). My uncle is the founding partner of a firm in my and my wife's hometown and he has promised us both an associate-level job when we pass the bar. The added cost is a little disconcerting, however, I would feel better knowing that, if something were to happen with this job, I would actually be able to get an interview with a degree from Cumberland. My uncle went to Jones. He is a highly competent attorney, but he could not even get an interview with a firm, much less a job offer after graduation. So, I though it wise to get the degree that would offer better placement, even if it is more expensive. What do you think?

Those are very sound reasons. There's no such thing as a sure thing.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: watso059 on April 16, 2007, 02:36:56 PM
I just finished an e-mail conversation about summer employment prospects with the Dean of Admissions at Jones. I asked him about the difference in NALP interviews (2 at Jones and 20 at Cumberland). Most of those at Cumberland are making around $1,100 weekly as a 1L. I am sure those positions are extremely difficult to attain, however I just want the opportunity to snag such a job. If I am not able to get a clerkship because of my performance, so be it. As bad as I would feel if I could not get the job, I would feel much worse if I attend a school where I was not even given the opportunity to land a summer position like this one. I was assured by the dean that Jones offers as much opportunity as would Cumberland and Mercer. Also, since they rank their students by their LSAT and UGPA before grades are given, I will already be in the top 25 percentile, which is what is required for those jobs. So, if I understand him correctly, I should be better off at Jones because I will be working from on top rather than on bottom or on par.

I am not sure about all of this though. Do you have any thoughts about these claims?

Modify:

I just received an e-mail about NALP:

"I spoke to our Career Services Director about the NALP information you
noted.  The information that appears in NALP's directory is provided by
law firms participating in this directory.  It is not an exhaustive list
and will not include a full list of participating employers.  Also, I
noticed a few firms on another law school's list that do participate in
our CSO.  So, the NALP directory is not an accurate portrait of most
schools' CSO participants.

I hope you decide to attend this fall.  I look forward to hearing from
you."
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: d3b4s3r on April 17, 2007, 02:42:52 PM
Quote
First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

UVA, Cornell, NU, GULC

1. NU - 2
2. GULC (though a Cornell merit scholarship is supposedly on the way)- 3
3. UVA - 1
4. UVA - 5
5. NU - 4
6. NU

What conclusion is this supposed to lead me to?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 17, 2007, 02:46:48 PM
Can you eliminate one (probably GULC), and do it again?  Four is a lot.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 17, 2007, 02:51:34 PM
insofar as this system is useful, it's really best for 1-on-1 comparisons.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 17, 2007, 02:58:10 PM
watso: truth be told, I'm not horribly useful when it comes to actual advice. All I (and the system) am really "good" for is providing a forum for you to sort out the thoughts you already have.

debaser: technically, I would say NU, but flyaway and iscored are right; 4 choices really is a lot for this to be useful at all. I would suggest if you had to eliminate 2, knock out Georgetown and Cornell. They might be much, much, much cheaper options, but don't forget that the next 3 years of your life actually count. It seems that QoL is pretty important to you, and you can't really put a price on that.

insofar as this system is useful, it's really best for 1-on-1 comparisons.

You think this system is useful?!?!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 17, 2007, 03:04:57 PM
watso: truth be told, I'm not horribly useful when it comes to actual advice. All I (and the system) am really "good" for is providing a forum for you to sort out the thoughts you already have.

debaser: technically, I would say NU, but flyaway and iscored are right; 4 choices really is a lot for this to be useful at all. I would suggest if you had to eliminate 2, knock out Georgetown and Cornell. They might be much, much, much cheaper options, but don't forget that the next 3 years of your life actually count. It seems that QoL is pretty important to you, and you can't really put a price on that.

insofar as this system is useful, it's really best for 1-on-1 comparisons.

You think this system is useful?!?!

sure? why not? If for the sole reason that it provides some sort of external confirmation for what people have already consciously or unconsciously decided.

that said, it hasn't been personally very useful, but that's not really its fault so much as mine.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 17, 2007, 03:10:00 PM
watso: truth be told, I'm not horribly useful when it comes to actual advice. All I (and the system) am really "good" for is providing a forum for you to sort out the thoughts you already have.

debaser: technically, I would say NU, but flyaway and iscored are right; 4 choices really is a lot for this to be useful at all. I would suggest if you had to eliminate 2, knock out Georgetown and Cornell. They might be much, much, much cheaper options, but don't forget that the next 3 years of your life actually count. It seems that QoL is pretty important to you, and you can't really put a price on that.

insofar as this system is useful, it's really best for 1-on-1 comparisons.

You think this system is useful?!?!

sure? why not? If for the sole reason that it provides some sort of external confirmation for what people have already consciously or unconsciously decided.

that said, it hasn't been personally very useful, but that's not really its fault so much as mine.

Yeah, I guess it's useful. I just feel like people are using this as an actual hub of advice, when really it's only meant to be used as you suggest: to affirm the choice one has already made. For that I feel guilty.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Quail! on April 17, 2007, 03:12:24 PM
Ok, I'll play even though I'm waiting on 3 big decisions

1. Location - USC (4)
2. Cost - USC (2)
3. Rank - Cornell (1)
4. Employment - Cornell (5)
5. Best fit - Cornell (I think?) (3)
6. Cornell
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 17, 2007, 03:14:32 PM
watso: truth be told, I'm not horribly useful when it comes to actual advice. All I (and the system) am really "good" for is providing a forum for you to sort out the thoughts you already have.

debaser: technically, I would say NU, but flyaway and iscored are right; 4 choices really is a lot for this to be useful at all. I would suggest if you had to eliminate 2, knock out Georgetown and Cornell. They might be much, much, much cheaper options, but don't forget that the next 3 years of your life actually count. It seems that QoL is pretty important to you, and you can't really put a price on that.

insofar as this system is useful, it's really best for 1-on-1 comparisons.

You think this system is useful?!?!

sure? why not? If for the sole reason that it provides some sort of external confirmation for what people have already consciously or unconsciously decided.

that said, it hasn't been personally very useful, but that's not really its fault so much as mine.

Yeah, I guess it's useful. I just feel like people are using this as an actual hub of advice, when really it's only meant to be used as you suggest: to affirm the choice one has already made. For that I feel guilty.

yeah. that's probably not the best thing to do, but sometimes people choose by flipping a coin, and I imagine this is similar to that. If someone is so unsure of where to go after having thought about all the relevant considersations carefully, then either choice will probably be okay for them.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 17, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Ok, I'll play even though I'm waiting on 3 big decisions

1. Location - USC (4)
2. Cost - USC (2)
3. Rank - Cornell (1)
4. Employment - Cornell (5)
5. Best fit - Cornell (I think?) (3)
6. Cornell

Cornell.

My guess is the big 3 are Penn... and then I'm not sure. Among UCLA, Duke, and Northwestern, it could be any 2. You seem to have a thing for Cali, so I'll say UCLA, and I'll just say Duke to get away from Illinois.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Quail! on April 17, 2007, 03:19:49 PM
Ok, I'll play even though I'm waiting on 3 big decisions

1. Location - USC (4)
2. Cost - USC (2)
3. Rank - Cornell (1)
4. Employment - Cornell (5)
5. Best fit - Cornell (I think?) (3)
6. Cornell

Cornell.

My guess is the big 3 are Penn... and then I'm not sure. Among UCLA, Duke, and Northwestern, it could be any 2. You seem to have a thing for Cali, so I'll say UCLA, and I'll just say Duke to get away from Illinois.

Penn, Duke, and NU actually.  I've become a bit disenchanted with UCLA, and while UIUC would be cheap with good Chicago placement, I don't want to stay here (+ they've seriously been dicking around with my file).
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Quail! on April 17, 2007, 03:51:01 PM
quail....go to michigan off the WL.

From your mouth to god's ears ;) :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: mantis on April 17, 2007, 04:01:05 PM
Well.. I kicked GW to the curb when UVA came through with some cash.  So now...

1 UVA - 4
2 UVA - 2
3 UVA - 1
4 UVA - 3
5 NW - 5

Um.. Northwestern?  Sort of.  Today Northwestern, yesterday UVA?  Maybe I should just start writing down the first school that comes to mind when I wake up in the morning and again when I go to bed at night and then on the 27th add them all up and go with it.  Ha.

whaddaya think?????? -- i always rely on child stars to make my major life choices for me.

Seconded.  And also I feel like you and I are in a similar position.  There's really no WRONG answer.  Does that make it easier?  Alas, no...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 17, 2007, 05:14:12 PM
Oh heyyy, I can do this now.

NYU/HLS.

1. Location: NYU. (4)
2. Cost: dunno, almost certainly NYU though. (1) (I'm going to be six figures in the hole regardless. Sigh.)
3. Rank: HLS by a nose (2)
4. Jobs: HLS by a bigger nose? (5++)
5. Personality: NYU (3)
6. Harvard. Or NYU. I know that the system is based on this, but I can't get a good answer. Let me check my magic 8-ball.

Update: so I just flipped a coin and as it was flipping I wanted it to be Harvard. It did end up being Harvard, so, Harvard?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 17, 2007, 06:24:41 PM
Bouzie: Gtown.

mantis: I'd love to troll for UVA, but you're going to NU. Do you feel like UVA isn't a good fit personality-wise, or is it just NU's better?

dash: You're going to Harvard, and you probably know it. And obviously, the fact that you wanted it to be Harvard makes all the difference in the world. But I'm sad you didn't let me flip the coin as you tearfully waited in suspense, confessing that you hoped it was Harvard, so that I culd say "then you had your decision all along." Jerk.

mantis: if you want, I can flip a coin... of course, if you really don't think you're leaning one way or the other, it won't help much. A "tally" method like you facetiously described might actually work, though.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 17, 2007, 06:40:35 PM
Don't tell Bouzie he's going to GULC.  He's a Michigander all the way.  GULC is just a new curiosity that he needs to get out of his system.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 17, 2007, 06:42:20 PM
Don't tell Bouzie he's going to GULC.  He's a Michigander all the way.  GULC is just a new curiosity that he needs to get out of his system.

Yeah, I was surprised because I thought Bouzie was a Michigander too... but I don't allow my prejudices to get in the way. Otherwise, do you really think I would mantis to choose against UVA? This just isn't the time or place.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: flyaway on April 17, 2007, 06:46:38 PM
In two days, he'll be over Georgetown.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 17, 2007, 06:49:31 PM
In two days, he'll be over Georgetown.

I'm hoping the same for mantis and NU. But I must remain unbiased here.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Pink on April 17, 2007, 08:04:13 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

Ok, since logic has failed to yield a clear winner, I'll try "the Johnny:"

1. Harvard - 4
2. Harvard - 3
3. NYU - 5
4. NYU - 1
5. NYU - 2
6. Harvard
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 17, 2007, 08:06:33 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

Ok, since logic has failed to yield a clear winner, I'll try "the Johnny:"

1. Harvard - 4
2. Harvard - 3
3. NYU - 5
4. NYU - 1
5. NYU - 2
6. Harvard

Do you and dash talk often? You should, because you're both going to Harvard.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 17, 2007, 08:14:49 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

Ok, since logic has failed to yield a clear winner, I'll try "the Johnny:"

1. Harvard - 4
2. Harvard - 3
3. NYU - 5
4. NYU - 1
5. NYU - 2
6. Harvard

NYU both gives better job prospects and is higher ranked (on whatever scale)? interesting. and harvard would cost you less than NYU?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 17, 2007, 08:23:10 PM
Bouzie: Gtown.

mantis: I'd love to troll for UVA, but you're going to NU. Do you feel like UVA isn't a good fit personality-wise, or is it just NU's better?

dash: You're going to Harvard, and you probably know it. And obviously, the fact that you wanted it to be Harvard makes all the difference in the world. But I'm sad you didn't let me flip the coin as you tearfully waited in suspense, confessing that you hoped it was Harvard, so that I culd say "then you had your decision all along." Jerk.

mantis: if you want, I can flip a coin... of course, if you really don't think you're leaning one way or the other, it won't help much. A "tally" method like you facetiously described might actually work, though.

Re mantis--You should flip a coin. If you care while it's flipping one way or the other, go with what you cared for. If you don't care, go with what the coin says.

And I think Pink and I met at the ASW, actually...it's funny that we're both torn btw NYU and HLS but we rate them oppositely within categories. Except for personality, of course.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 17, 2007, 08:25:07 PM
Bouzie: Gtown.

mantis: I'd love to troll for UVA, but you're going to NU. Do you feel like UVA isn't a good fit personality-wise, or is it just NU's better?

dash: You're going to Harvard, and you probably know it. And obviously, the fact that you wanted it to be Harvard makes all the difference in the world. But I'm sad you didn't let me flip the coin as you tearfully waited in suspense, confessing that you hoped it was Harvard, so that I culd say "then you had your decision all along." Jerk.

mantis: if you want, I can flip a coin... of course, if you really don't think you're leaning one way or the other, it won't help much. A "tally" method like you facetiously described might actually work, though.

Re mantis--You should flip a coin. If you care while it's flipping one way or the other, go with what you cared for. If you don't care, go with what the coin says.

And I think Pink and I met at the ASW, actually...it's funny that we're both torn btw NYU and HLS but we rate them oppositely within categories. Except for personality, of course.

Well, in my decision i'm down to best 68 out of 137 to decide USC or Emory.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 17, 2007, 08:26:11 PM
Consider Eeny Meeny Miny Mo instead?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 17, 2007, 08:58:56 PM
Consider Eeny Meeny Miny Mo instead?

except whichever you point to first always ends up being "it"
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 17, 2007, 09:06:55 PM
Consider Eeny Meeny Miny Mo instead?

except whichever you point to first always ends up being "it"

Not necessarily, if you add on variations, such as "My mother said to pick the very best one and that is Y O U" and depending on whether you count by the beat or by syllables. Many ways to change it up.

Also I just got my finaid deal from HLS and it ain't bad atall. Which may just seal the deal.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Pink on April 17, 2007, 10:31:32 PM
With the recent flurry of X v. Y threads, I decided to create a one-stop shop of sorts. Here's what I need from you.

IMPORTANT: IF YOU HAVE NOT VISITED ALL SCHOOLS BUT PLAN ON DOING SO (OR HAVE OTHER OUTSTANDING INFORMATION, SUCH AS REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS OF FINANCIAL AID, ETC), DO NOT PARTICIPATE. YOUR RESPONSES AND THEREFORE RESULTS WILL BE SKEWED.

First, list ONLY the schools you're considering attending, then answer the following questions subjectively (or objectively [ties are acceptable, but please list all schools]):

1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.



I'll start as an example:

1. NYU - 2
2. UVA - 3
3. NYU - 1
4. NYU/UVA - 4
5. UVA - 5
6. NYU

Ok, since logic has failed to yield a clear winner, I'll try "the Johnny:"

1. Harvard - 4
2. Harvard - 3
3. NYU - 5
4. NYU - 1
5. NYU - 2
6. Harvard

NYU both gives better job prospects and is higher ranked (on whatever scale)? interesting. and harvard would cost you less than NYU?

ok, I'm a retard :D.  So let's try this again, hopefully with no bugs this time:

1. Location: NYU. (1)
2. Cost: NYU (2) [I could graduate from HLS with no debt if I really wanted to]
3. Rank: HLS (3)
4. Jobs: HLS (5)
5. Personality: NYU (4)
6. Harvard/NYU (depends on time of day!)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Dental Directory on April 17, 2007, 10:59:19 PM
1. The school with the best location (factor in local activities, proximity to SO's, etc.)
2. The school that will overall cost you the least (cost of living included)
3. The highest ranked school (according to whichever source matters to you; personal rankings count)
4. The school that you think will give you the best job prospects (go with overall flexibility as opposed to what you think you might want to do, since that could easily change; factor in location as well)
5. The school that best seems to fit your personality
6. Finally, write down (or type, I guess) the first school from your list that comes to mind.

Next, rank each of the first 5 criteria (1-5) in terms of how important they are to you on a scale of 1-5, 1 being least important and 5 being most important. For example, if you don't care about cost, rank it 1. There must be a 1, a 2, a 3, a 4, and a 5. No ties.

1. NYU - 3
2. Chicago - 2
3. CLS/NYU - 5
4. CLS/Chicago - 1
5. NYU/CLS - 4
6. Chicago

Not sure about the rankings...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: mantis on April 18, 2007, 12:47:04 AM
mantis: I'd love to troll for UVA, but you're going to NU. Do you feel like UVA isn't a good fit personality-wise, or is it just NU's better?

Yeah... I think all of the reading about UVA "feeling young" and being sort of an extension of undergrad are the things that concern me the most.  I'm an old fart (ok, I'm 28.  But I feel like an old fart).  I don't want to relive my college days.  While I'm sure I could probably find a community of old, boring, curmudgeonly classmates, realistically I think it would be a small minority community and I don't know if I want to feel so isolated.  I think there's also some hesitation on the "southern" factor... 

if you want, I can flip a coin... of course, if you really don't think you're leaning one way or the other, it won't help much. A "tally" method like you facetiously described might actually work, though.

I'm seriously considering the tally method.  Although I suspect UVA will win out since the idea is a little more fresh.  I've been considering Northwestern for a while (clearly) and now UVA is sort of shiny and new and so I'm thinking about it a lot.

Re mantis--You should flip a coin. If you care while it's flipping one way or the other, go with what you cared for. If you don't care, go with what the coin says.

Also a potential alternative to the aforementioned tally method.. We shall see.  I'm putting it off as long as I can, but if nothing changes (ie. if Northwestern doesn't come through with some cash), I'm going to UVA.  It's definitely not what I anticipated or necessarily wanted going into this process.. complicated feelings.. :)  but I know I can make it work.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 18, 2007, 07:31:04 AM
Pink: if you really can't decide, I'll flip a coin; sounds like you'll probably have some regrets either way. If that's the case, pick tghe option where you'd have the fewest regrets.

hellogoodbye: first of all, it doesn't necessarily have to be US News rankings; it can be a ranking based on whatever criteria you deem relevant: reputation, etc. The system says Chicago, but that's very surprising, considering how seldom it came up in your rankings. It'd be much easier if you could narrow it down to just 2; a lot of times people are picking the school that they felt bad for at number 6 because it didn't do well anywhere else. Is that what you did?

mantis: if it makes you feel any better, it seems Charlottesville is very much a place with a community for everyone. Sure, you have the young, partying, drinking fools, and perhaps that's the majority of the law school. But within Charlottesville, there are plenty of people within your age range with your same priorities. Charlottesville has something to offer everyone; it's just a matter of how hard that would be to find on your own, if you had to. And don't worry tooooo much about the "southern feeling". I'm not exactly sure what in particular scares you, but in general the people you're going to be associating with are decent human beings.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: mantis on April 18, 2007, 12:03:41 PM
mantis: if it makes you feel any better, it seems Charlottesville is very much a place with a community for everyone. Sure, you have the young, partying, drinking fools, and perhaps that's the majority of the law school. But within Charlottesville, there are plenty of people within your age range with your same priorities. Charlottesville has something to offer everyone; it's just a matter of how hard that would be to find on your own, if you had to. And don't worry tooooo much about the "southern feeling". I'm not exactly sure what in particular scares you, but in general the people you're going to be associating with are decent human beings.

Yeah... I know everyone will be good people.  And I know I'll really like Charlottesville -- I've been there before, I like the town, that area of Virginia is positiviely GORGEOUS.  My hesitation comes mostly from the whole similarity to undergrad thing.  I went to what I would consider a fairly "southern," friendly, partying, small town school.  So I kind of feel like I'll be doing it all over again if/when I go to UVA.  But hey, it's a great school.  It's beautiful.  They want to toss me a little money.  The cost of living is SO much cheaper.  This morning's tally goes to UVA.  :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Dental Directory on April 20, 2007, 07:44:33 AM
hellogoodbye: first of all, it doesn't necessarily have to be US News rankings; it can be a ranking based on whatever criteria you deem relevant: reputation, etc. The system says Chicago, but that's very surprising, considering how seldom it came up in your rankings. It'd be much easier if you could narrow it down to just 2; a lot of times people are picking the school that they felt bad for at number 6 because it didn't do well anywhere else. Is that what you did?

I don't know what kind of system you're using. I put Chicago as the answer to #6 because it had that extra something when I visited. I think 'objectively' (on paper) the New York schools are a better fit for me.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 20, 2007, 07:48:04 AM
hellogoodbye: first of all, it doesn't necessarily have to be US News rankings; it can be a ranking based on whatever criteria you deem relevant: reputation, etc. The system says Chicago, but that's very surprising, considering how seldom it came up in your rankings. It'd be much easier if you could narrow it down to just 2; a lot of times people are picking the school that they felt bad for at number 6 because it didn't do well anywhere else. Is that what you did?

I don't know what kind of system you're using. I put Chicago as the answer to #6 because it had that extra something when I visited. I think 'objectively' (on paper) the New York schools are a better fit for me.

You should definitely go to Chicago.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Dental Directory on April 20, 2007, 10:03:01 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: dashrashi on April 20, 2007, 10:26:41 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 20, 2007, 10:29:34 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 20, 2007, 10:37:37 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

You were wrong about me.  MWAHAHAHA!  :D
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 20, 2007, 10:38:47 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

You were wrong about me.  MWAHAHAHA!  :D

Wrong. You were wrong about you. Besides, I told you it was invalid until you had visited all of them anyway.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 20, 2007, 10:40:04 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

You were wrong about me.  MWAHAHAHA!  :D

Wrong. You were wrong about you. Besides, I told you it was invalid until you had visited all of them anyway.

It wasn't the visit, it was the MONEY!

<--law school whore, looking for the highest bidder  ;D
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on April 20, 2007, 10:41:36 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

You were wrong about me.  MWAHAHAHA!  :D

Wrong. You were wrong about you. Besides, I told you it was invalid until you had visited all of them anyway.

It wasn't the visit, it was the MONEY!

<--law school whore, looking for the highest bidder  ;D

Holy crap how did I miss the NYU $????? Congrats!!!

What'd you decide to do?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 20, 2007, 10:44:12 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

You were wrong about me.  MWAHAHAHA!  :D

Wrong. You were wrong about you. Besides, I told you it was invalid until you had visited all of them anyway.

It wasn't the visit, it was the MONEY!

<--law school whore, looking for the highest bidder  ;D

Holy crap how did I miss the NYU $????? Congrats!!!

What'd you decide to do?

I haven't!  I have an extension until Monday, so I'll let you know then.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 20, 2007, 11:39:51 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

You were wrong about me.  MWAHAHAHA!  :D

Wrong. You were wrong about you. Besides, I told you it was invalid until you had visited all of them anyway.

It wasn't the visit, it was the MONEY!

<--law school whore, looking for the highest bidder  ;D

Holy crap how did I miss the NYU $????? Congrats!!!

What'd you decide to do?

I haven't!  I have an extension until Monday, so I'll let you know then.

Come to NYU and explore the finest cuisine NYC has to offer with Chica

Even if I don't come to NYU, I'll definitely visit.  Mmm, NYC food...
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: pikey on April 20, 2007, 11:55:01 AM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

You were wrong about me.  MWAHAHAHA!  :D

Wrong. You were wrong about you. Besides, I told you it was invalid until you had visited all of them anyway.

It wasn't the visit, it was the MONEY!

<--law school whore, looking for the highest bidder  ;D

Holy crap how did I miss the NYU $????? Congrats!!!

What'd you decide to do?

I haven't!  I have an extension until Monday, so I'll let you know then.

Come to NYU and explore the finest cuisine NYC has to offer with Chica

Even if I don't come to NYU, I'll definitely visit.  Mmm, NYC food...

I'm holding you to that.  Bring your bf and we'll all go to a NY Red Bull game together or something.   :)

Deal!  Fortunately he likes good food too!
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: Dental Directory on April 20, 2007, 01:03:14 PM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

Yeah I know I know. I read the thread title too. Was just hoping you couuld provide more insight as to why you told me what you did. You see, I'm confused.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where to go to law school
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on April 20, 2007, 03:56:42 PM
You should definitely go to Chicago.

That's what I was thinking too, but I've also had serious doubts about my gut feelings. Not sure what to do. WHat exactly is your methodology anyway? :)

I think telling would be telling, but if you read the thread, it becomes abundantly clear.

Hell, even reading the thread title is telling: it's I tell you where to go; I don't decide for you. Although it would probably be better if it was ITT I tell you where you're going to law school. Maybe I should do that...

Yeah I know I know. I read the thread title too. Was just hoping you couuld provide more insight as to why you told me what you did. You see, I'm confused.

He knows what your heart desires.

Johnny's mystical.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where you're going to law school
Post by: sladkaya on May 04, 2007, 08:17:38 AM
Updated once all school visits are over and I've narrowed the list to two: UT vs. Northwestern

1. location - UT - 4
2. cost - UT by a nose (tuition similar, cost of living only slightly lower for UT because salaries are higher in Chicago for hubby's field) - 5
3. rank - Northwestern - 1
4. job - Northwestern - 2
5. personality fit - Northwestern - 3
6. Northwestern.

Looks like i've decided, huh?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where you're going to law school
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on May 04, 2007, 08:19:37 AM
First of all, I thought this thing was dead. Second of all, yes, it looks like you have. Third of all, the system says Northwestern. Fourth of all, sell all of your short-sleeved clothing.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where you're going to law school
Post by: flyaway on May 04, 2007, 08:20:55 AM
What happened with Vanderbilt, sladkaya?
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where you're going to law school
Post by: sladkaya on May 04, 2007, 08:22:57 AM
First of all, I thought this thing was dead. Second of all, yes, it looks like you have. Third of all, the system says Northwestern. Fourth of all, sell all of your short-sleeved clothing.

judging by how quickly you replied, it was only mostly dead.

And I'm wearing a short sleeved shirt in Chicago right now, so I'll pack enough to last 2-3 months.
Title: Re: ITT I tell you where you're going to law school
Post by: sladkaya on May 04, 2007, 08:30:57 AM
What happened with Vanderbilt, sladkaya?

Hi flyaway! Various law professors and attorneys at work talked me out of it. Partially because Vandy's just starting to grow the program I'm interested in, partially because I'd have to move twice in 3 years if I go to Vanderbilt, and will have the option not to if I go to NU or UT, partially because everyone I spoke seemed to think it would not compete favorably with UT and NU for either Chicago or Texas jobs. I'm still a little sad, but it made sense to withdraw.