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Title: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: _BP_ on March 02, 2007, 04:23:11 PM
Does the Republican audience in the room

A) Boo her hate speech?

B) Walk out of the room in protest?

C) Break out in applause?


Video:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/02/coulter-cpac-i-would-comment-on-john-edwards-but-it-turns-out-you-have-to-go-into-rehab-if-you-use-the-word-%e2%80%98faggot%e2%80%99/

Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: bohemian_revolution on March 03, 2007, 09:42:23 AM
I'm not one to throw the word hate around casually, but I f-ing hate this female dog. I really hoped he'd just ignore her just so that she doesn't get more attention but his campaign is attempting to raise 100 grand this week of "Coulter Cash".  :-\

Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Rule of Reason on March 03, 2007, 10:02:12 AM
what a psycho.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 10:02:50 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:13:32 AM
Does the Republican audience in the room

A) Boo her hate speech?

B) Walk out of the room in protest?

C) Break out in applause?


Video:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/02/coulter-cpac-i-would-comment-on-john-edwards-but-it-turns-out-you-have-to-go-into-rehab-if-you-use-the-word-%e2%80%98faggot%e2%80%99/



is this a big deal?

tim hardaway actually HATES gay people...

is that worse than name calling?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Rule of Reason on March 03, 2007, 10:17:21 AM
yeah but he said that in a different (less shocking) context really---

AND she's a political figure - this could kill her, right?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 03, 2007, 10:18:38 AM
Is there something particularly offensive about calling someone something that he/she obviously is not?  Edwards is married with kids.  Despite his fantastic hair, everyone, even Ann, knows hes not gay.  Sooo she called him a faggot, people call Bush a nazi and war crimminal all the time, both equally untrue statements.  Will you all get up an arms about such comments that serve only to cheapen the severity of the holocaust?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:25:59 AM
ann culter balances out the ludicrous nuts like "air-in-her-head" huffington...

one on one end of the pea-pod and one on the other. ;)

Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:28:51 AM
yeah but he said that in a different (less shocking) context really---

AND she's a political figure - this could kill her, right?

hardaway is was a role model...
coulter is a shock pundit like huffington...namecalling is part of their job.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 10:29:19 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Rule of Reason on March 03, 2007, 10:30:21 AM
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No, there's nothing inherently offensive about calling someone something they are not. That's not what's offensive about her comment.

TITCR.


Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 10:32:27 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 03, 2007, 10:35:44 AM
ok, so faggot is an offensive word, fair enough.  Do I condone the widespread use of the word "faggot"? no.  But I hope you become equally outraged when the President is called a nazi, terrorist, or murderer?  Just because the gay rights movement is en vogue for young college students doesnt mean that other young college student causes dont engage in the same hateful tactics.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:39:24 AM
...huffington and coulter are PUNDITS like colbert and stewart...

they are "shock entertainers"

they are not ROLE MODELS like hardaway...understand?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:41:42 AM
Who are you calling young? Or a college student for that matter?  :)

People who call Bush a Nazi terrorist murderer are overblowing things for sure, but it's completely different because it's a comment on the value of one individual - the status of Nazis, terrorists and murderers are settled matters. What's offensive about Coulter calling Edwards gay is the implication that both Edwards and homosexuals are bad or of less value. They are completely different matters.

do you know what a PUNDIT is?

that is coulter.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 10:44:16 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Rule of Reason on March 03, 2007, 10:46:23 AM
...huffington and coulter are PUNDITS like colbert and stewart...

they are "shock entertainers"

they are not ROLE MODELS like hardaway...understand?


thats a good point methinks.

But Hardaway was more like "you know, as a role model, I really don't like gay ppl" right? Not a good comment - but probably not as blatant and vulgar as this - and also considering this was endorsed by all these big shot republicans...even if shes put up there just to huff and puff I would guess the media would jump all over her for the way she said that.

Have they?

Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:48:23 AM
ok, so faggot is an offensive word, fair enough.  Do I condone the widespread use of the word "faggot"? no.  But I hope you become equally outraged when the President is called a nazi, terrorist, or murderer?  Just because the gay rights movement is en vogue for young college students doesnt mean that other young college student causes dont engage in the same hateful tactics.

I think you need to try a little harder to tease out the differences between calling someone a murderer vs. a faggot and the lunch table at the student union vs. a major political conference.


aye think you don't see the differences between pundit and bigot...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 10:51:49 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:52:52 AM
...huffington and coulter are PUNDITS like colbert and stewart...

they are "shock entertainers"

they are not ROLE MODELS like hardaway...understand?


thats a good point methinks.

But Hardaway was more like "you know, as a role model, I really don't like gay ppl" right? Not a good comment - but probably not as blatant and vulgar as this - and also considering this was endorsed by all these big shot republicans...even if shes put up there just to huff and puff I would guess the media would jump all over her for the way she said that.

Have they?



hardaway...ROLE MODEL: "You know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known."

coulter...POLITICAL PUNDIT: "faggot."




Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 03, 2007, 10:53:02 AM
ok, so faggot is an offensive word, fair enough.  Do I condone the widespread use of the word "faggot"? no.  But I hope you become equally outraged when the President is called a nazi, terrorist, or murderer?  Just because the gay rights movement is en vogue for young college students doesnt mean that other young college student causes dont engage in the same hateful tactics.

I think you need to try a little harder to tease out the differences between calling someone a murderer vs. a faggot and the lunch table at the student union vs. a major political conference.

Dennis Kucinich, a US Rep. attended the anti-war march in DC that called Bush all of these things.  This is a man who spoke at the DNC 2 years ago. Theres video of him applauding the hate rhetoric.  Hardly a lunch table.  Ann is a pundit, she gets payed to say this stuff.  Why is this so concerning or surprising, Al Franken says crazy stuff to Democrat 527s all the time, ever heard of moveon.org? that is also a PAC.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:54:47 AM
do you know what a PUNDIT is?

that is coulter.

I don't see how this applies to the issue at hand. Simply stating that a so-called shock pundit's job is to shock doesn't in and of itself excuse the offense, or does it?

do you accept what colbert does or stewart or miller as offensive?

aye find them mildly amusing and frankly ineffectual...like coulter and huffington...sorry :-\
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 10:58:18 AM
ok, so faggot is an offensive word, fair enough.  Do I condone the widespread use of the word "faggot"? no.  But I hope you become equally outraged when the President is called a nazi, terrorist, or murderer?  Just because the gay rights movement is en vogue for young college students doesnt mean that other young college student causes dont engage in the same hateful tactics.

I think you need to try a little harder to tease out the differences between calling someone a murderer vs. a faggot and the lunch table at the student union vs. a major political conference.

Dennis Kucinich, a US Rep. attended the anti-war march in DC that called Bush all of these things.  This is a man who spoke at the DNC 2 years ago. Theres video of him applauding the hate rhetoric.  Hardly a lunch table.  Ann is a pundit, she gets payed to say this stuff.  Why is this so concerning or surprising, Al Franken says crazy stuff to Democrat 527s all the time, ever heard of moveon.org? that is also a PAC.

black panther is losing his touch with this one...looks like  BP reflects the dems: running out of ideas...bush still calls the shots...even after soooo many "democrats"...wink wink...were elected.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:00:21 AM
AJF, I refer you back to my post re: the distinction between value judgments of a single person vs. of an entire group.

Blue, your argument is diversionary and evasive.

don't colbert and stewart and miller get hired by entire groups to "shock" and "entertain" them?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Rule of Reason on March 03, 2007, 11:03:35 AM
AJF, I refer you back to my post re: the distinction between value judgments of a single person vs. of an entire group.

Blue, your argument is diversionary and evasive.

a.) yep, also the word choice and context are important variables.

b.) lol (no offense at all) - but seriously, just organize your thoughts more clearly with regards to what details you are actually trying to address and/or respond to and you'll make more sense to others.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 11:06:22 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 03, 2007, 11:07:00 AM
AJF, I refer you back to my post re: the distinction between value judgments of a single person vs. of an entire group.

Blue, your argument is diversionary and evasive.

ok, i see your point but consider this:  I (gasp) supported/still support the action in Iraq.  You see, when Bush is called those things, its also calling me and all the millions who agree with me, those things.  Bush is the President, but he stands for an administration, and millions of Americans who put him there.  Indeed, there are more Republicans in this country than homosexuals.  Im just saying, Ann Coulter using the word "faggot" should not be any more remarkable than calling Bush/hawks (like myself) nazis.  I dont get all worked up about being called a nazi because I know its absurd....you see what I am saying?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Rule of Reason on March 03, 2007, 11:07:14 AM
Did the media jump all over this though?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:08:52 AM
 :D :D :D :D


so...are we going to not get our panties in a bunch when coulter or colbert are hired by groups to "entertain" them now...and place our displeasure with things that really count...like a role-model named tim hardaway, who expresses genuine hatred?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:12:39 AM
don't colbert and stewart and miller get hired by entire groups to "shock" and "entertain" them?


They're hired to entertain them. Occasionally an opinion might be shocking. Shocking is not the same as offensive, which is the crux of your diversionary tactic. Now, on to the evasion, for which I quote my previous question to you:

Simply stating that a so-called shock pundit's job is to shock doesn't in and of itself excuse the offense, or does it?

aye find hillary clinton offensive all the time...

so who cares if howard stern or coulter call people the f-word...aye won't lose any sleep over it...they are meant to provoke you...and you got fooled by someone who you think should be taken seriously.

it is an old trick which people like howard stern have mastered...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:14:38 AM
Did the media jump all over this though?

 :D :D...seriously.

why waste the time...just free exposure for edwards...yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwn.

besides too many bottle-blondes have been taking over the airwaves lately.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Rule of Reason on March 03, 2007, 11:17:16 AM
don't colbert and stewart and miller get hired by entire groups to "shock" and "entertain" them?


They're hired to entertain them. Occasionally an opinion might be shocking. Shocking is not the same as offensive, which is the crux of your diversionary tactic. Now, on to the evasion, for which I quote my previous question to you:

Simply stating that a so-called shock pundit's job is to shock doesn't in and of itself excuse the offense, or does it?

aye find hillary clinton offensive all the time...

so who cares if howard stern or coulter call people the f-word...aye won't lose any sleep over it...they are meant to provoke you...and you got fooled by someone who you think should be taken seriously.

it is an old trick which people like howard stern have mastered...

see he's saying this is an EVASIVE argument though.

EDIT: It is a valid point, but you're stepping outside the initial issue.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 11:24:45 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:25:19 AM
don't colbert and stewart and miller get hired by entire groups to "shock" and "entertain" them?


They're hired to entertain them. Occasionally an opinion might be shocking. Shocking is not the same as offensive, which is the crux of your diversionary tactic. Now, on to the evasion, for which I quote my previous question to you:

Simply stating that a so-called shock pundit's job is to shock doesn't in and of itself excuse the offense, or does it?

aye find hillary clinton offensive all the time...

so who cares if howard stern or coulter call people the f-word...aye won't lose any sleep over it...they are meant to provoke you...and you got fooled by someone who you think should be taken seriously.

it is an old trick which people like howard stern have mastered...

see he's saying this is an EVASIVE argument though.

EDIT: It is a valid point, but you're stepping outside the initial issue.

you are missing the quality of the issue.

coulter wanted to shock and she got to ya...she is a pundit...


In the strict use of the term, a "pundit" has recognized expertise in a particular field. The term, however, increasingly refers to popular media personalities who express opinions without necessarily holding recognized expertise in the area on which they opine. In recent years in the US, with the increased popularity of prose, television and radio personalities such as Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, pundits are increasingly seen not as experts, but as ideological partisans who tend to do more ranting than measured commentary. They are often accused of being politically biased, and of using informal logic in fallacious ways. This perception has caused the term "pundit" to take on derogatory overtones, with more of the sense of an arrogant loudmouth than an educated commentator. Thus, the term has begun to take on a negative connotations and is often used as a term of disparagement. There is a perception that the popularity of punditry has become harmful to journalism, as many perceive it as another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:34:29 AM
:D :D :D :D


so...are we going to not get our panties in a bunch when coulter or colbert are hired by groups to "entertain" them now...and place our displeasure with things that really count...like a role-model named tim hardaway, who expresses genuine hatred?

Ann Coulter is an entirely different form of political commentary than Colbert. Colbert does not employ hate speech to connect with his audience and he's clearly using sarcasm to achieve his humor.

Tim Hardaway is not a political icon. If Tim Hardaway wrote a book, no one would buy it. He is a basketball player. At the end of the day, his notoriety is not derived from his biting social commentary. Role model or not, his hatred towards gays carries little significance  because all he is expected to do is bounce a ball around a court. Aside, I still don't understand what you're trying to say here because we're in no disagreement about whether or not what he said was stupid.


icon???? really? coulter? you have just upgraded her...

hardaway was a role model...like it or not...like michael jordan...what he said was offensive.


coulter like stern and colbert and stewart and o'reilly and huffington and miller are getting under your skin with shock-tactics...it is how they make their living...

do you want to blame their audience for what they say?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 11:34:33 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:37:30 AM
please...

making more out of coulter is a losing argument...

by highlighting her you are making her more money and giving her more opportunities to speak before people.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 03, 2007, 11:39:48 AM
Louis Faracan received rip-roaring applause at a major political forum this week.  He has blaimed 9/11 on Jews and thinks that white people should all be "smited."  For want of a better term: these things just aren't a big deal.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 11:42:44 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 11:45:03 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:45:47 AM
why do people tune into howard stern?

same reason...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:47:14 AM
You think I'm surprised by what Ann Coulter said? I wouldn't expect less. I wouldn't even ask for an apology.

The fact of the matter is, she made these comments at major conservative political forum and received standing ovation.

Hey, aren't we on the same side of this debate? :)

Context is important, yes. What I meant is that Mr. Warrior is trying to dictate the terms of the debate to essentially change the subject. He wants to change the argument to one about people, their jobs, their intentions, etc when none of that really matters. What Coulter said would be equally offensive if uttered by Colbert or Stewart in reference to, say, male private part Cheney's daughter.

you just got your panties in a bunch...aye scoff at pundits ludicrous quips.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:49:43 AM
Louis Faracan received rip-roaring applause at a major political forum this week.  He has blaimed 9/11 on Jews and thinks that white people should all be "smited."  For want of a better term: these things just aren't a big deal.

Oh what forum? Do you know what the CPAC is and who attends?

Better yet, ask bluewarrior to copy paste some info from wiki and pretend like he knew.

good, you looked it up...now get the others on the same page.

Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 03, 2007, 11:51:30 AM
good one BP...ann coulter?   :D :D :D  please.

looks like the people who were headed for genocide are now gaining empowerment.
there is something saving about taking out dictators before they become like hitler.

and how many people are murdered in newark this week?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 11:52:30 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 03, 2007, 12:01:23 PM
Do you know what the NAACP is and who attends? or how bout the DNC?  we can name acronyms until the cows come home, and every one corresponds with a well-known, well-attended group from all over the political spectrum, and guess what, almost all of them have applauded something offensive.  People applaud, call it groupthink, call it sheepish, when someone is in front of a microphone, people applaud.  People even applauded Michael Richards' rant at first, its just human nature.  Its no real commentary, other than, they were making the "entertainment" (coulter) feel welcome.  And your belittling "do you even know" tone really is not needed.  A large part of my law school credentials is the fact that I have worked for prominant Republicans, and never has anyone from the Governor, down to the guy who gets the coffee for the mailroom worker EVER expressed any hateful biggotry condoning the use of the word "faggot" or otherwise.  You are looking for a wave of bigoted sentinment in the Republican party that simply is not there.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 03, 2007, 12:14:17 PM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 03, 2007, 12:19:14 PM

Well next time one of those organizations calls someone a faggot, or even tacitly endorses it, let me know and I'll be just as disgusted. We really need to debate whether or not homophobia aligns itself more with moral conservatives than other points on the political spectrum? Everyone around here might be wise enough to understand that Ann Coulter is little more than a talking head, but there are plenty of others out there that subscribe exactly to her absurd world view.
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Point taken, but at the same time realize what im saying, homophobia is not the only "absurd word view."  Its not like all liberals are ivy league intellectuals and all Republicans are trailor trash mullet heads.  The NAACP wont applaud someone using the word faggot, (except Sharpton, and Jackson both have a distate for homosexuality), but they may applaud something equally intolerant.  I do not think homophobia is propogated by people like Coulter because people stupid enough to be really homophobic arent people who have ever of Ann Coulter.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 02:12:04 AM
go to a comedy club one day...

there ya gonna see and hear some things which you might find offensive...

the f.....t word and the n...word...sooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo many times...

and many times it is directed toward a political figure or actor, for example...sometimes it is the audience members.

and sometimes you don't know where they are going with this...amazing!




and george carlin has said some things people find offensive...

aye love redd foxx...he was the real deal...some might call him offensive.

aye think some of you got swept up with an idea that ann coulter is on a pedestal.

ann coulter is a pundit...a shock jock. nothing more.


some things to ponder...maybe ann coulter is gay?   do gay people throw the f...word around?  does sandra bernhardt throw the f....word around?  was ann coulter just getting into dirty politics with edwards because she feels he did little to quell marcotte and was swiping at him the way his staff swiped at right wing shills...who knows?  perhaps she was offended by the edward's camp bigotry toward catholics and wanted to offend him back with her own bigoted comment...painting him as a left wing shill.  who really knows...more importantly...who really cares...;)
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 02:19:11 AM
Louis Faracan received rip-roaring applause at a major political forum this week.  He has blaimed 9/11 on Jews and thinks that white people should all be "smited."  For want of a better term: these things just aren't a big deal.

Oh what forum? Do you know what the CPAC is and who attends?

Better yet, ask bluewarrior to copy paste some info from wiki and pretend like he knew.

good, you looked it up...now get the others on the same page.



Or maybe it was the sudden departure from the normal grammatical mind @#!* that is your written word.

it is true...you do write more simply than me.  granted...easy aye am not. 

glad you looked it up, though...you like to challenge yourself and that is crafty. :)
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ANBUDOM on March 04, 2007, 12:04:12 PM
well hey if i was unsophisticated, unintelligent, and unable to attract an audience through normal means i'd make unnecessarily controversial and asinine remarks as well!  Instead of publicizing a homemade sex video like Paris Hilton, she'll just call John Edwards a fag. 

She's like eminem... minus the talent. 
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 03:26:49 PM
well hey if i was unsophisticated, unintelligent, and unable to attract an audience through normal means i'd make unnecessarily controversial and asinine remarks as well!  Instead of publicizing a homemade sex video like Paris Hilton, she'll just call John Edwards a fag. 

She's like eminem... minus the talent. 
pretty close...but aye think howard stern is a more accurate characterization.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 04, 2007, 04:32:49 PM

Well next time one of those organizations calls someone a faggot, or even tacitly endorses it, let me know and I'll be just as disgusted. We really need to debate whether or not homophobia aligns itself more with moral conservatives than other points on the political spectrum? Everyone around here might be wise enough to understand that Ann Coulter is little more than a talking head, but there are plenty of others out there that subscribe exactly to her absurd world view.


Point taken, but at the same time realize what im saying, homophobia is not the only "absurd word view."  Its not like all liberals are ivy league intellectuals and all Republicans are trailor trash mullet heads.  The NAACP wont applaud someone using the word faggot, (except Sharpton, and Jackson both have a distate for homosexuality), but they may applaud something equally intolerant.  I do not think homophobia is propogated by people like Coulter because people stupid enough to be really homophobic arent people who have ever of Ann Coulter.

PLEASE. Please enlighten me as to what the NAACP would possibly applaud that even approaches the offensiveness of calling ANYONE a faggot. This word is one of the most damaging and offensive of any in our language, and the fact that a public figure would even think that it could possibly be okay to do anything other than walk out upon hearing it (let alone APPLAUD) is actually disgusting.

Ann Coulter is just as morally repugnant as Fred Phelps.

go to a comedy club one day...

there ya gonna see and hear some things which you might find offensive...

the f.....t word and the n...word...sooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo many times...

and many times it is directed toward a political figure or actor, for example...sometimes it is the audience members.

and sometimes you don't know where they are going with this...amazing!




and george carlin has said some things people find offensive...

aye love redd foxx...he was the real deal...some might call him offensive.

aye think some of you got swept up with an idea that ann coulter is on a pedestal.

ann coulter is a pundit...a shock jock. nothing more.


some things to ponder...maybe ann coulter is gay?   do gay people throw the f...word around?  does sandra bernhardt throw the f....word around?  was ann coulter just getting into dirty politics with edwards because she feels he did little to quell marcotte and was swiping at him the way his staff swiped at right wing shills...who knows?  perhaps she was offended by the edward's camp bigotry toward catholics and wanted to offend him back with her own bigoted comment...painting him as a left wing shill.  who really knows...more importantly...who really cares...;)


You f-ing dumbass. They didn't invite George f-ing Carlin to speak at an event like this, because this is not a f-ing comedy club or an HBO special. They invited someone who purports to be and is for better or worse considered to be a political figure--not to mention considers herself one. Trust me, she doesn't think she's George Carlin. And if you think Colbert would ever say anything even remotely on this level, you're a bigger shithead than I thought. This is hate speech.

As for who really cares, a lot of f-ing people really care. As she was alluding to in her joke (I think), Isaiah Washington has learned how many people really do care about using this deeply upsetting and hateful word. Hate. Speech.

I, for one, can't believe that she could possibly be this monumentally stupid. Oh well, I guess.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 04, 2007, 04:46:33 PM
This is probably a waste of time because I'm not going to convince you because you seem very idoctrinated.  The NAACP ran an ad depicting a chain being dragged behind a truck in the dirt whith a voice over talking about how "the then Texas Governor didnt support hate-crime legislation and it was like the person who was dragged was killed all over again."  Then Governor Bush had already signed the death warrant for the perps of that act.  The word faggot is undeiably hateful, so too is such slander and filth.  If you are too blind to see that these things are a two-way street, and you think Republicans are the only bigots and hate-mongers in this country, well then you are blinded by a pile of dogma so high that it has obstructed the view from your ivory tower.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 04:48:48 PM

Well next time one of those organizations calls someone a faggot, or even tacitly endorses it, let me know and I'll be just as disgusted. We really need to debate whether or not homophobia aligns itself more with moral conservatives than other points on the political spectrum? Everyone around here might be wise enough to understand that Ann Coulter is little more than a talking head, but there are plenty of others out there that subscribe exactly to her absurd world view.


Point taken, but at the same time realize what im saying, homophobia is not the only "absurd word view."  Its not like all liberals are ivy league intellectuals and all Republicans are trailor trash mullet heads.  The NAACP wont applaud someone using the word faggot, (except Sharpton, and Jackson both have a distate for homosexuality), but they may applaud something equally intolerant.  I do not think homophobia is propogated by people like Coulter because people stupid enough to be really homophobic arent people who have ever of Ann Coulter.

PLEASE. Please enlighten me as to what the NAACP would possibly applaud that even approaches the offensiveness of calling ANYONE a faggot. This word is one of the most damaging and offensive of any in our language, and the fact that a public figure would even think that it could possibly be okay to do anything other than walk out upon hearing it (let alone APPLAUD) is actually disgusting.

Ann Coulter is just as morally repugnant as Fred Phelps.

go to a comedy club one day...

there ya gonna see and hear some things which you might find offensive...

the f.....t word and the n...word...sooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo many times...

and many times it is directed toward a political figure or actor, for example...sometimes it is the audience members.

and sometimes you don't know where they are going with this...amazing!




and george carlin has said some things people find offensive...

aye love redd foxx...he was the real deal...some might call him offensive.

aye think some of you got swept up with an idea that ann coulter is on a pedestal.

ann coulter is a pundit...a shock jock. nothing more.


some things to ponder...maybe ann coulter is gay?   do gay people throw the f...word around?  does sandra bernhardt throw the f....word around?  was ann coulter just getting into dirty politics with edwards because she feels he did little to quell marcotte and was swiping at him the way his staff swiped at right wing shills...who knows?  perhaps she was offended by the edward's camp bigotry toward catholics and wanted to offend him back with her own bigoted comment...painting him as a left wing shill.  who really knows...more importantly...who really cares...;)


You f-ing dumbass. They didn't invite George f-ing Carlin to speak at an event like this, because this is not a f-ing comedy club or an HBO special. They invited someone who purports to be and is for better or worse considered to be a political figure--not to mention considers herself one. Trust me, she doesn't think she's George Carlin. And if you think Colbert would ever say anything even remotely on this level, you're a bigger shithead than I thought. This is hate speech.

As for who really cares, a lot of f-ing people really care. As she was alluding to in her joke (I think), Isaiah Washington has learned how many people really do care about using this deeply upsetting and hateful word. Hate. Speech.

I, for one, can't believe that she could possibly be this monumentally stupid. Oh well, I guess.


sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that she matters...you probably take howard stern seriously, too.

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her.  


lighten up shorty.


Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 04, 2007, 04:50:47 PM
sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that it matters...

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her. Wink


lighten up shorty.


It does matter. Of course it matters. If public figures using hate speech in political forums doesn't matter, then nothing matters. And then we're nihilists and our lives have no meaning, which, @#!* that.

And I call bull on the proposition that she's just responding to Edwards. I haven't seen anything in the news about him using slurs to describe people--or has he been doing that and our liberal left-wing press just hasn't chosen to report it?

The idea that Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot doesn't affect me is itself an offensive idea. It affects everyone, regardless of political or sexual orientation.

Freedom of speech is irrelevant, which I guess is just how you roll, shorty.

Ugh.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 04:54:52 PM
This is probably a waste of time because I'm not going to convince you because you seem very idoctrinated.  The NAACP ran an ad depicting a chain being dragged behind a truck in the dirt whith a voice over talking about how "the then Texas Governor didnt support hate-crime legislation and it was like the person who was dragged was killed all over again."  Then Governor Bush had already signed the death warrant for the perps of that act.  The word faggot is undeiably hateful, so too is such slander and filth.  If you are too blind to see that these things are a two-way street, and you think Republicans are the only bigots and hate-mongers in this country, well then you are blinded by a pile of dogma so high that it has obstructed the view from your ivory tower.

the reality is that the coulter "shock pundit remarks" will die a quick death and nobody will care in a week or so...

people will question edwards strength as a leader however because of the attention drawn to this topic...aye am sure he hopes the story dies soon as well.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 04:56:55 PM
sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that it matters...

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her. Wink


lighten up shorty.


It does matter. Of course it matters. If public figures using hate speech in political forums doesn't matter, then nothing matters. And then we're nihilists and our lives have no meaning, which, @#!* that.

And I call bull on the proposition that she's just responding to Edwards. I haven't seen anything in the news about him using slurs to describe people--or has he been doing that and our liberal left-wing press just hasn't chosen to report it?

The idea that Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot doesn't affect me is itself an offensive idea. It affects everyone, regardless of political or sexual orientation.

Freedom of speech is irrelevant, which I guess is just how you roll, shorty.

Ugh.

freedom of speech is everything...better go crack some books...pooty.

and what you call hate speech is how many stand-up comics pay the bills...

coulter is a stand-up pundit...like bill mahr and dennis miller and colbert and stewart...they all in the same pundit shock jock crew...some are obviously more effective than others... ;)
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 04, 2007, 06:00:06 PM
sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that it matters...

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her. Wink


lighten up shorty.


It does matter. Of course it matters. If public figures using hate speech in political forums doesn't matter, then nothing matters. And then we're nihilists and our lives have no meaning, which, @#!* that.

And I call bull on the proposition that she's just responding to Edwards. I haven't seen anything in the news about him using slurs to describe people--or has he been doing that and our liberal left-wing press just hasn't chosen to report it?

The idea that Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot doesn't affect me is itself an offensive idea. It affects everyone, regardless of political or sexual orientation.

Freedom of speech is irrelevant, which I guess is just how you roll, shorty.

Ugh.

freedom of speech is everything...better go crack some books...pooty.

and what you call hate speech is how many stand-up comics pay the bills...

coulter is a stand-up pundit...like bill mahr and dennis miller and colbert and stewart...they all in the same pundit shock jock crew...some are obviously more effective than others... ;)

I know I've said this already, but for the record:

The government should not ban hate speech. Private citizens should try their damnedest to root it out at every level of society. Thus, since I'm not talking about trying to make the government ban Ann Coulter, saying that she has "freedom of speech" on her side is, in fact, completely irrelevant. Of course she's allowed to call John Edwards a faggot. But she shouldn't.

Likewise, the stand-up comedy "argument" you're trying to make is irrelevant, because Ann Coulter is not a stand-up comedian. Moreover, I can find stand-up comedians who call people faggots to be offensive.

Calling Coulter a "stand-up pundit" is inventing a term, and unfairly conflating her with Colbert, Stewart, etc. Like I said, there is no way in hell Colbert is ever going to let the word "faggot" or its equivalent pass his lips in a public setting. And neither would any of the others you mentioned. It's disingenuous to shrug this sort of behavior off by saying that Ann Coulter just wants to get a rise out of me.

Also, cut it out with the f-ing winks.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 09:06:26 PM
sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that it matters...

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her. Wink


lighten up shorty.


It does matter. Of course it matters. If public figures using hate speech in political forums doesn't matter, then nothing matters. And then we're nihilists and our lives have no meaning, which, @#!* that.

And I call bull on the proposition that she's just responding to Edwards. I haven't seen anything in the news about him using slurs to describe people--or has he been doing that and our liberal left-wing press just hasn't chosen to report it?

The idea that Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot doesn't affect me is itself an offensive idea. It affects everyone, regardless of political or sexual orientation.

Freedom of speech is irrelevant, which I guess is just how you roll, shorty.

Ugh.

freedom of speech is everything...better go crack some books...pooty.

and what you call hate speech is how many stand-up comics pay the bills...

coulter is a stand-up pundit...like bill mahr and dennis miller and colbert and stewart...they all in the same pundit shock jock crew...some are obviously more effective than others... ;)

I know I've said this already, but for the record:

The government should not ban hate speech. Private citizens should try their damnedest to root it out at every level of society. Thus, since I'm not talking about trying to make the government ban Ann Coulter, saying that she has "freedom of speech" on her side is, in fact, completely irrelevant. Of course she's allowed to call John Edwards a faggot. But she shouldn't.

Likewise, the stand-up comedy "argument" you're trying to make is irrelevant, because Ann Coulter is not a stand-up comedian. Moreover, I can find stand-up comedians who call people faggots to be offensive.

Calling Coulter a "stand-up pundit" is inventing a term, and unfairly conflating her with Colbert, Stewart, etc. Like I said, there is no way in hell Colbert is ever going to let the word "faggot" or its equivalent pass his lips in a public setting. And neither would any of the others you mentioned. It's disingenuous to shrug this sort of behavior off by saying that Ann Coulter just wants to get a rise out of me.

Also, cut it out with the f-ing winks.

that was funny watching you work yourself up there into a dither...

she wanted to get a rise out of you and take a dig at john edwards bigot ex-employees...looks like she is o.t. and believes eye for eye???  ;)

by the way, if you don't mind me...the tone of your posts feel a bit dreary...also...why so uptight??  sounds like sombody needs a little release...if ya know whadayemean. ;)
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 04, 2007, 09:30:28 PM
sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that it matters...

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her. Wink


lighten up shorty.


It does matter. Of course it matters. If public figures using hate speech in political forums doesn't matter, then nothing matters. And then we're nihilists and our lives have no meaning, which, @#!* that.

And I call bull on the proposition that she's just responding to Edwards. I haven't seen anything in the news about him using slurs to describe people--or has he been doing that and our liberal left-wing press just hasn't chosen to report it?

The idea that Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot doesn't affect me is itself an offensive idea. It affects everyone, regardless of political or sexual orientation.

Freedom of speech is irrelevant, which I guess is just how you roll, shorty.

Ugh.

freedom of speech is everything...better go crack some books...pooty.

and what you call hate speech is how many stand-up comics pay the bills...

coulter is a stand-up pundit...like bill mahr and dennis miller and colbert and stewart...they all in the same pundit shock jock crew...some are obviously more effective than others... ;)

I know I've said this already, but for the record:

The government should not ban hate speech. Private citizens should try their damnedest to root it out at every level of society. Thus, since I'm not talking about trying to make the government ban Ann Coulter, saying that she has "freedom of speech" on her side is, in fact, completely irrelevant. Of course she's allowed to call John Edwards a faggot. But she shouldn't.

Likewise, the stand-up comedy "argument" you're trying to make is irrelevant, because Ann Coulter is not a stand-up comedian. Moreover, I can find stand-up comedians who call people faggots to be offensive.

Calling Coulter a "stand-up pundit" is inventing a term, and unfairly conflating her with Colbert, Stewart, etc. Like I said, there is no way in hell Colbert is ever going to let the word "faggot" or its equivalent pass his lips in a public setting. And neither would any of the others you mentioned. It's disingenuous to shrug this sort of behavior off by saying that Ann Coulter just wants to get a rise out of me.

Also, cut it out with the f-ing winks.

that was funny watching you work yourself up there into a dither...

she wanted to get a rise out of you and take a dig at john edwards bigot ex-employees...looks like she is o.t. and believes eye for eye???  ;)

by the way, if you don't mind me...the tone of your posts feel a bit dreary...also...why so uptight??  sounds like sombody needs a little release...if ya know whadayemean. ;)

I mean, I know that you're doing a nifty-little form-content thing where you say *&^% just to get a rise out of me, as Ann Coulter supposedly does, but if we ever come to a time where this doesn't get a rise out of me, then I may as well kill myself.

Things that are important are important. Also, @#!* yourself, mkay?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 10:23:24 PM
sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that it matters...

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her. Wink


lighten up shorty.


It does matter. Of course it matters. If public figures using hate speech in political forums doesn't matter, then nothing matters. And then we're nihilists and our lives have no meaning, which, @#!* that.

And I call bull on the proposition that she's just responding to Edwards. I haven't seen anything in the news about him using slurs to describe people--or has he been doing that and our liberal left-wing press just hasn't chosen to report it?

The idea that Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot doesn't affect me is itself an offensive idea. It affects everyone, regardless of political or sexual orientation.

Freedom of speech is irrelevant, which I guess is just how you roll, shorty.

Ugh.

freedom of speech is everything...better go crack some books...pooty.

and what you call hate speech is how many stand-up comics pay the bills...

coulter is a stand-up pundit...like bill mahr and dennis miller and colbert and stewart...they all in the same pundit shock jock crew...some are obviously more effective than others... ;)

I know I've said this already, but for the record:

The government should not ban hate speech. Private citizens should try their damnedest to root it out at every level of society. Thus, since I'm not talking about trying to make the government ban Ann Coulter, saying that she has "freedom of speech" on her side is, in fact, completely irrelevant. Of course she's allowed to call John Edwards a faggot. But she shouldn't.

Likewise, the stand-up comedy "argument" you're trying to make is irrelevant, because Ann Coulter is not a stand-up comedian. Moreover, I can find stand-up comedians who call people faggots to be offensive.

Calling Coulter a "stand-up pundit" is inventing a term, and unfairly conflating her with Colbert, Stewart, etc. Like I said, there is no way in hell Colbert is ever going to let the word "faggot" or its equivalent pass his lips in a public setting. And neither would any of the others you mentioned. It's disingenuous to shrug this sort of behavior off by saying that Ann Coulter just wants to get a rise out of me.

Also, cut it out with the f-ing winks.

that was funny watching you work yourself up there into a dither...

she wanted to get a rise out of you and take a dig at john edwards bigot ex-employees...looks like she is o.t. and believes eye for eye???  ;)

by the way, if you don't mind me...the tone of your posts feel a bit dreary...also...why so uptight??  sounds like sombody needs a little release...if ya know whadayemean. ;)

I mean, I know that you're doing a nifty-little form-content thing where you say *&^% just to get a rise out of me, as Ann Coulter supposedly does, but if we ever come to a time where this doesn't get a rise out of me, then I may as well kill myself.

Things that are important are important. Also, @#!* yourself, mkay?

this story is sinking...

you are simply making waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay tooooooooooooooooo much out of ann coulter...remember she was the one speaking...cheer up...maybe we will find out that ann coulter is actually gay and then you won't be so offended. ;)

dil pickles are cheap...do pick one up sometime...sounds like you could use it.


and seriously, dude...for your own sake...check out sandra bernhards old stuff.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 04, 2007, 10:30:45 PM
I'm going to go with "being purposely obtuse" for $800, Alex.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 04, 2007, 10:32:04 PM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 04, 2007, 10:34:49 PM
True. I do enjoy getting my piece said, though. Hence law school.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 04, 2007, 10:40:22 PM
no...all this is answered here: ;)

edwards gonna have to step it up now.



sorry if you are offended...but really...reality check...it doesn't matter what ann coulter says...you are making more out of her than necessary...and aye can't believe how many people are ignorant to think that it matters...

hate speech has come from the edwards camp for a while now...she just dishing back...

you are perhaps too sensitive to something that wasn't even directed toward you...plus she has the freedom of speech backing her. Wink


lighten up shorty.


It does matter. Of course it matters. If public figures using hate speech in political forums doesn't matter, then nothing matters. And then we're nihilists and our lives have no meaning, which, @#!* that.

And I call bull on the proposition that she's just responding to Edwards. I haven't seen anything in the news about him using slurs to describe people--or has he been doing that and our liberal left-wing press just hasn't chosen to report it?

The idea that Ann Coulter calling John Edwards a faggot doesn't affect me is itself an offensive idea. It affects everyone, regardless of political or sexual orientation.

Freedom of speech is irrelevant, which I guess is just how you roll, shorty.

Ugh.

freedom of speech is everything...better go crack some books...pooty.

and what you call hate speech is how many stand-up comics pay the bills...

coulter is a stand-up pundit...like bill mahr and dennis miller and colbert and stewart...they all in the same pundit shock jock crew...some are obviously more effective than others... ;)

I know I've said this already, but for the record:

The government should not ban hate speech. Private citizens should try their damnedest to root it out at every level of society. Thus, since I'm not talking about trying to make the government ban Ann Coulter, saying that she has "freedom of speech" on her side is, in fact, completely irrelevant. Of course she's allowed to call John Edwards a faggot. But she shouldn't.

Likewise, the stand-up comedy "argument" you're trying to make is irrelevant, because Ann Coulter is not a stand-up comedian. Moreover, I can find stand-up comedians who call people faggots to be offensive.

Calling Coulter a "stand-up pundit" is inventing a term, and unfairly conflating her with Colbert, Stewart, etc. Like I said, there is no way in hell Colbert is ever going to let the word "faggot" or its equivalent pass his lips in a public setting. And neither would any of the others you mentioned. It's disingenuous to shrug this sort of behavior off by saying that Ann Coulter just wants to get a rise out of me.

Also, cut it out with the f-ing winks.

that was funny watching you work yourself up there into a dither...

she wanted to get a rise out of you and take a dig at john edwards bigot ex-employees...looks like she is o.t. and believes eye for eye???  ;)

by the way, if you don't mind me...the tone of your posts feel a bit dreary...also...why so uptight??  sounds like sombody needs a little release...if ya know whadayemean. ;)

I mean, I know that you're doing a nifty-little form-content thing where you say *&^% just to get a rise out of me, as Ann Coulter supposedly does, but if we ever come to a time where this doesn't get a rise out of me, then I may as well kill myself.

Things that are important are important. Also, @#!* yourself, mkay?

this story is sinking...

you are simply making waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay tooooooooooooooooo much out of ann coulter...remember she was the one speaking...cheer up...maybe we will find out that ann coulter is actually gay and then you won't be so offended. ;)

dill pickles are cheap...do pick one up sometime...sounds like you could use it.


All of this, is answered here.


The fact of the matter is, she [called someone a faggot] at a major conservative political forum and received a standing ovation.


Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 05, 2007, 01:33:02 PM
I'm going to go with "being purposely obtuse" for $800, Alex.

lol. It's Bluewarrior. Proper counterargument = putz.

not forget "numbnuts."  or "dipshit."  or "coward."  or "goatfucker."
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 06, 2007, 09:13:36 PM
lesko = dildo
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 07, 2007, 05:55:46 AM
hey, someone humpin' your goat.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 07, 2007, 09:12:20 AM
The sad fact of the matter is, had Coulter called Edwards an n-word, and gotten the same response, everyone would probably get why the situation was offensive.

Also, I'm not really clear on how anything the Democrats or liberals do or don't due is a necessary consideration in determining whether Coulter's actions were out of line. Claiming that applauding Coulter for saying faggot is okay because Louis Faracan (sic) is an anti-Semite isn't an argument, it's just changing the subject.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 07, 2007, 12:14:10 PM
right-wingers nursing many wounds, mostly imagined.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 07, 2007, 09:19:26 PM
aye love it...she meant to call him a puss?  can you imagine...

aren't the conservatives the one's who were for the warnings on albums that had questionable language?
weren't liberals r.o.c. working against the labeling?

when you think about it? why are the liberals crying about this one?

maybe those who were members of a captive audience foresaw coulter being pleasantly silent for a time...and were applauding the predicament she placed herself...they applauded their own realization.

still...difficult to say...aye politely, yet loudly. applaud the liberals efforts to thwart bush at every turn...they are yet most assuredly unsuccessful...but aye applaud their tenacity...


now? should that be taken seriously???
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 07, 2007, 09:59:15 PM
DId you even watch the tape? The crowd goes "oooooh," and then laughs, and then applauds. You would be hard pressed to make up some secret motivation (like laughing at Ann Coulter's big f-ing mistake) off of the tape, at least on any collective level.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 07, 2007, 11:25:37 PM
did something like this happen at the last Presidential state of the Union speech.

much applauding at strange times.




DId you even watch the tape? The crowd goes "oooooh," and then laughs, and then applauds. You would be hard pressed to make up some secret motivation (like laughing at Ann Coulter's big f-ing mistake) off of the tape, at least on any collective level.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 08, 2007, 12:20:48 AM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 08, 2007, 12:47:36 AM
wow! u r like a cute little editor bee...thankx much.

some of these are fantastic quotes...{one just made my workmate suck some of the rootbeer he was drinking into his lungs....he is coughing} aye warned him they were funny.


jon stewart...colbert{aka}...miller...blowhard o'really...ann coulter...bill maher: they are all artist pundits...like comedians are artists...they are entertainers...it is all an act...seriously...no...seriou sly...seriously.



by the way...look up the definition of the words "captive audience" and "captive."


aye love it...she meant to call him a puss?  can you imagine...



aren't the conservatives the one's who were for the warnings on albums that had questionable language?
weren't liberals r.o.c. working against the labeling?

when you think about it? why are the liberals crying about this one?



maybe those who were members of a captive audience foresaw coulter being pleasantly silent for a time...and were applauding the predicament she placed herself...they applauded their own realization.



still...difficult to say...aye politely, yet loudly. applaud the liberals efforts to thwart bush at every turn...they are yet most assuredly unsuccessful...but aye applaud their tenacity...


now? should that be taken seriously???



Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 08, 2007, 01:26:23 AM
perhaps this is the vortex where civil liberties and freedom of speech crash like rhino.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 08, 2007, 06:01:52 AM
or where your brain show effect of long-term abuse of serious psychotropic drugs.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 08, 2007, 08:01:43 AM
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jon stewart...colbert{aka}...miller...blowhard o'really...ann coulter...bill maher: they are all artist pundits...like comedians are artists...they are entertainers...it is all an act...seriously...no...seriou sly...seriously

Oh. MY. GOD! So what?!? What does that have to do with anything? If Jon Stewart called Condi Rice an n-word, it wouldn't be okay just because he's a comedian, and it really, really wouldn't be okay if he said it at the DNC and got APPLAUDED. Stop being so frigging thick!

No one is saying that Coulter doesn't have a constitutional right to say what she said (although you keep trying to spin it that way). But you are implying that because she has that right, or because she's an entertainer, no one can find anything she says objectionable. Moreover, regardless of whether Coulter's schtick is really just that- an act- she has not presented herself as an entertainer in the way that Colbert, Stewart, or even Maher have. She doesn't have a show on COMEDY CENTRAL full of skits and self-deprecation. She only appears in the public sphere as a political commentator on supposedly serious news programs. She writes books that are promoted as serious political tracts. So even if your argument that she is an entertainer in the Stewart/Colbert vein were relevant- which, just to be clear, it really, really, isn't- that argument doesn't hold any water. I've read all of Coulter's books, and seen her speak on TV and in person, and as much as I'd like to believe she is engaged in a brilliant, Cobert-esque satire of a politically rabid conservative, it's increasingly clear that that just isn't the case.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 08, 2007, 08:29:49 AM
you fine american.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 08, 2007, 12:11:56 PM
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jon stewart...colbert{aka}...miller...blowhard o'really...ann coulter...bill maher: they are all artist pundits...like comedians are artists...they are entertainers...it is all an act...seriously...no...seriou sly...seriously

Oh. MY. GOD! So what?!? What does that have to do with anything? If Jon Stewart called Condi Rice an n-word, it wouldn't be okay just because he's a comedian, and it really, really wouldn't be okay if he said it at the DNC and got APPLAUDED. Stop being so frigging thick!

No one is saying that Coulter doesn't have a constitutional right to say what she said (although you keep trying to spin it that way). But you are implying that because she has that right, or because she's an entertainer, no one can find anything she says objectionable. Moreover, regardless of whether Coulter's schtick is really just that- an act- she has not presented herself as an entertainer in the way that Colbert, Stewart, or even Maher have. She doesn't have a show on COMEDY CENTRAL full of skits and self-deprecation. She only appears in the public sphere as a political commentator on supposedly serious news programs. She writes books that are promoted as serious political tracts. So even if your argument that she is an entertainer in the Stewart/Colbert vein were relevant- which, just to be clear, it really, really, isn't- that argument doesn't hold any water. I've read all of Coulter's books, and seen her speak on TV and in person, and as much as I'd like to believe she is engaged in a brilliant, Cobert-esque satire of a politically rabid conservative, it's increasingly clear that that just isn't the case.


she appears on shows?  so she just doesn't have her own show? so she is an "appearance pundit"
do you know what a pundit is?  an entertainer...a clown if you will...ask your friends if people don't think coulter is a bit of a clown...aye bet they concur.

aye am trying to help liberals keep this in their focus since they seem so strong about its importance...and libs seem to have short attention spans and are a bit splintered...cut me some slack for helping.

maybe "supposedly serious" is just that...not quite serious enough to be serious...think about it.

don't forget ann coulter might be gay herself...like sandra bernhard who enjoys using the f....t word.

and lets try to keep this in the news. ;)


Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 08, 2007, 12:38:35 PM
You do know that no matter how many times you aver that a pundit is just an entertainer or a clown, it doesn't make it true, right? I don't think Ann Coulter would describe herself as "just an entertainer."

It actually makes no difference if Ann Coulter is gay or not. It's an offensive word, even in humorous contexts, and it has no place in a political forum. Moreover, she was using it to insult someone--i.e. using it as a slur. In that context, it's insulting to gay people. Also, don't you think that the fact that Coulter (if in fact she is a lesbian, which is debatable at best) is not out is relevant to her using hateful words about gay people? That's mostly irrelevant, as Sandra Bernhard, were she asked to make a speech at the White House Correspondents' Dinner (which is far less serious than this forum was), would certainly not use the word "faggot" in that context, regardless of what she does in her stand-up routine.

Also, shut up. Thanks.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 08, 2007, 12:51:36 PM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 08, 2007, 01:00:30 PM
Wow, way to totally disregard the entire point of my post, which is that Coulter's job title is of minimal importance in assessing how we should react to this issue. Moreover, while your "do you know what a pundit is?" comment was cute and all, lemme give you a little tip that will probably help you out in life- in an argument, making up your own definition of words to suit your purposes is not a legitimate tactic. Most people do not think of pundit as "just an entertainer whose words have no meaning and should not be reacted to in any way." And besides, if Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson or Kelly Freakin Clarkson had called Edwards a faggot in front of an audience at a political convention and gotten laughs and applause, it would be no less objectionable. Why are you not getting that point?

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don't forget ann coulter might be gay herself...like sandra bernhard who enjoys using the f....t word.

Seriously, does context mean nothing to you? This didn't happen at the Laugh Factory or the Apollo- it happened at a convention for a group of political leaders, whose decisions have a direct affect on the lives of Americans, including gay Americans. If you replaced Coulter with Sandra Bernhard in this story, the reaction the comment got from the audience wouldn't suddenly become totally okay. Moreover, the Bernhard analogy makes no sense, since Bernhard is openly lesbian/ bi, whereas you're only speculating that Coulter could be. Your argument is similar to saying that we shouldn't be offended by a politician applauding Michael Richards for using the n-word, because Kramer might, unknownst to anyone, be a very light-skinned black man, and it's not offensive when black people use the n-word. Until Coulter starts dating Ellen, it's going to be offensive when she calls people faggot, or any other slur associated with the subjugation of a particular group of which she isn't a part.

But I don't really give a crap if someone is offensive- that's their right, and it generally doesn't affect me unless I let it. What's scary here isn't that Coulter said something offensive- it's how political leaders responded to what she said, in a political forum.

Duh.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 08, 2007, 01:50:10 PM
Wow, way to totally disregard the entire point of my post, which is that Coulter's job title is of minimal importance in assessing how we should react to this issue. Moreover, while your "do you know what a pundit is?" comment was cute and all, lemme give you a little tip that will probably help you out in life- in an argument, making up your own definition of words to suit your purposes is not a legitimate tactic. Most people do not think of pundit as "just an entertainer whose words have no meaning and should not be reacted to in any way." And besides, if Tom Cruise or Mel Gibson or Kelly Freakin Clarkson had called Edwards a faggot in front of an audience at a political convention and gotten laughs and applause, it would be no less objectionable. Why are you not getting that point?

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don't forget ann coulter might be gay herself...like sandra bernhard who enjoys using the f....t word.

Seriously, does context mean nothing to you? This didn't happen at the Laugh Factory or the Apollo- it happened at a convention for a group of political leaders, whose decisions have a direct affect on the lives of Americans, including gay Americans. If you replaced Coulter with Sandra Bernhard in this story, the reaction the comment got from the audience wouldn't suddenly become totally okay. Moreover, the Bernhard analogy makes no sense, since Bernhard is openly lesbian/ bi, whereas you're only speculating that Coulter could be. Your argument is similar to saying that we shouldn't be offended by a politician applauding Michael Richards for using the n-word, because Kramer might, unknownst to anyone, be a very light-skinned black man, and it's not offensive when black people use the n-word. Until Coulter starts dating Ellen, it's going to be offensive when she calls people faggot, or any other slur associated with the subjugation of a particular group of which she isn't a part.

But I don't really give a crap if someone is offensive- that's their right, and it generally doesn't affect me unless I let it. What's scary here isn't that Coulter said something offensive- it's how political leaders responded to what she said, in a political forum.

Duh.

sorry pundits don't get much of a reaction out of me because no matter what they say aye still think of them in the more accurate definition of a pundit which is that of an entertainer.  and the point of what they say gets them tv shows...and appearances in many venues...aye am sure if stewart got the call he would be trying to push the envelope in whatever venue he performed...no matter how serious you think the audience is...the speaker is the primary not the bystanders...nor the car wreck rubberneckers...nor the audience who has to sit through and be polite.

the reason people watch pundits or listen to them is to see how far they will take it and how much controversy they can stir up...

it pays the pundits bills...so they push the envelope.

aye still don't find her as "cutting edge" and irreverent as much as liberals paint her.  lennie bruce was cutting edge...howard stern was cutting edge...


here...let me re post a most modern definition of "pundit" for ya...aye guess you are too shamed to look it up...this is from the wikipedia...aye am sure you have heard of it...


In the English-speaking West, pundits write signed articles in print media (blurbs included), and appear on radio, television, or the internet to opine on current events. Television pundits may also be referred to as talking heads.

In the strict use of the term, a "pundit" has recognized expertise in a particular field. The term, however, increasingly refers to popular media personalities who express opinions without necessarily holding recognized expertise in the area on which they opine. In recent years in the US, with the increased popularity of prose, television and radio personalities such as Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, pundits are increasingly seen not as experts, but as ideological partisans who tend to do more ranting than measured commentary. They are often accused of being politically biased, and of using informal logic in fallacious ways. This perception has caused the term "pundit" to take on derogatory overtones, with more of the sense of an arrogant loudmouth than an educated commentator. Thus, the term has begun to take on a negative connotations and is often used as a term of disparagement. There is a perception that the popularity of punditry has become harmful to journalism, as many perceive it as another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.



on this ground is coulter really all that important or special?

aye think you give her too much credit.




Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 08, 2007, 03:08:18 PM
A: where in the wikipedia article (which, let's not get into that) does it say that a pundit's primary aim is to shock and/or entertain?

B: where in the same does it say that Jon Stewart or other people whose job it actually IS to entertain are considered pundits? I see Al Franken on that list, but Colbert and Stewart aren't included. Is that just an omission?

She's not cutting edge or irreverent; she's offensive and incapable of making a good argument. Remind you of anyone?

ANN COULTER IS NOT A COMEDIAN OR AN ENTERTAINER.

The part you made red simply says that the rise of pundits, who are personalities and partisans and rarely make good arguments, has led to the news at large being considered less journalism than entertainment. Nowhere does it say that the news being considered more entertaining than journalistic means that the people who appear on it consider themselves, or are in any meaningful way, entertainers.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 08, 2007, 03:12:53 PM
Right, Cum Laude graduate of Cornell, Editor of the Michigan Law review, and incapable of making a cogent argument...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 08, 2007, 03:39:12 PM
Have you read her books? There aren't so much holes in her argument as caverns. Seriously. I'm sure she didn't do this while a student, but really, her arguments are actually laughable.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 08, 2007, 03:42:26 PM
Right, Cum Laude graduate of Cornell, Editor of the Michigan Law review, and incapable of making a cogent argument...

Alright..she might be capable but chooses not to?

One can only hope. Although perhaps she has forgotten how?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 08, 2007, 04:19:08 PM
A: where in the wikipedia article (which, let's not get into that) does it say that a pundit's primary aim is to shock and/or entertain?

B: where in the same does it say that Jon Stewart or other people whose job it actually IS to entertain are considered pundits? I see Al Franken on that list, but Colbert and Stewart aren't included. Is that just an omission?

She's not cutting edge or irreverent; she's offensive and incapable of making a good argument. Remind you of anyone?

ANN COULTER IS NOT A COMEDIAN OR AN ENTERTAINER.

The part you made red simply says that the rise of pundits, who are personalities and partisans and rarely make good arguments, has led to the news at large being considered less journalism than entertainment. Nowhere does it say that the news being considered more entertaining than journalistic means that the people who appear on it consider themselves, or are in any meaningful way, entertainers.

al franken? forgot about him...another pundit

it doesn't simply say...it plainly states the rise of pundits phoenomenon are being considered less journalistic than entertainment...

al franken...mentioned in the definition is an entertainer and pundit...a clown.
an coulter...mentioned in the definition is an entertainer and pundit...a clown.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 08, 2007, 04:19:41 PM
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on this ground is coulter really all that important or special?

aye think you give her too much credit.

Dude, seriously, come on. How many times do I have to say that this isn't the point before you get it through your head? If a crazy bum off the street had walked into the convention and said what she did, and gotten the same response, it would still be newsworthy.

And I read that exact definition of pundit that you provided. Did you? Because, as others have already pointed out, it doesn't support your argument.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 08, 2007, 05:12:49 PM
I don't equate Al Franken with Jon Stewart, as you'll note, because Al Franken is running for office. Like Ann Coulter, Franken purports to be something of a political figure.

it plainly states the rise of pundits phoenomenon are being considered less journalistic than entertainment...



I don't know what you're saying here, due to your abysmal grammar. Read what I wrote above. That's what it says in the wikipedia article (which, again, don't get me started on citing wikipedia as an authoritative source, much less parsing its grammar and syntax). The article said that the NEWS are seen as less journalistic than entertaining, because of the rise of pundits--who are personalities who offer partisan and illogical arguments--and does NOT say that the pundits themselves are meant to be, or are, entertainers and not journalists.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 09, 2007, 04:10:25 AM
There is a perception that the popularity of punditry has become harmful to journalism, as many perceive it as another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.





it plainly states the rise of pundits phoenomenon is being considered less journalistic than entertainment...



I don't know what you're saying here, due to your abysmal grammar. Read what I wrote above. That's what it says in the wikipedia article (which, again, don't get me started on citing wikipedia as an authoritative source, much less parsing its grammar and syntax). The article said that the NEWS are seen as less journalistic than entertaining, because of the rise of pundits--who are personalities who offer partisan and illogical arguments--and does NOT say that the pundits themselves are meant to be, or are, entertainers and not journalists.



here is what aye am saying:


if the news at large is being considered less journalistic than entertainment...somebody has to be doing the entertaining....those doing the entertaining are personalities who offer partisan and illogical arguments...they may not mean to be entertainers but apparently they are...they are certainly not journalistic...you are leaving that part of the equation out...but good job though. ;)

world wide wrestling on cable is not really sports either...it's entertainment...and the wrestlers are entertainers.

I don't equate Al Franken with Jon Stewart, as you'll note, because Al Franken is running for office. Like Ann Coulter, Franken purports to be something of a political figure.


many people perceive him to be a pundit...al franken is considered a pundit...at least before he chose to run for office...so you have to concede he was once a pundit...jon stewart is considered a pundit...coulter is considered a pundit...they are all pundits...some more crass than others.

do you not find them entertaining?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 09, 2007, 04:38:10 AM
A: where in the wikipedia article (which, let's not get into that) does it say that a pundit's primary aim is to shock and/or entertain?
 

it is not their primary aim but because they are seen as ideological partisans who tend to do more ranting than measured commentary and are often accused of being politically biased, and of using informal logic in fallacious ways

they are another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.






B: where in the same does it say that Jon Stewart or other people whose job it actually IS to entertain are considered pundits? I see Al Franken on that list, but Colbert and Stewart aren't included. Is that just an omission?


al franken's act came before colbert and stewart...(aye'm sure they didn't derive anything from him and his "lying liars routine..."} but people do consider him to be a pundit and sorry but coulter is in that group as well.




hope you understand now and are not too upset.






Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 09, 2007, 08:59:52 AM
While Al Franken is a pundit, Stewart and Colbert are not. They are satirists and comedians. You have been the one conflating Coulter and Colbert.

Here's the thing: it's a logical leap to say that because the news are now considered to be more entertainment than journalism, then that characterization extends to the people who appear on the news. Many things which are entertaining feature people who are not entertainers (see: Gore v. Quayle debates, 1992), and you saying otherwise is simply fallacious.

Furthermore, your argument that the audience was a "captive" one seems to try to absolve them of their vigorous laughter and applause. This is disingenuous, and to me, the only acceptable response would have been to walk out. That is not rude; it is actually more polite.

I don't understand why political leaders responding favorably to hate speech is not a cause for concern, and why you continue to characterize that concern as an overreaction.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 09, 2007, 10:01:03 PM
many people perceive him to be a pundit...al franken is considered a pundit...at least before he chose to run for office...so you have to concede he was once a pundit...jon stewart is considered a pundit...coulter is considered a pundit...they are all pundits...some more crass than others.

do you not find them entertaining?


Some people perceive the world as being flat. Some people perceive that the earth stays still and the heavens rotate around it. Some people think Jar Jar Binks was funny and one of George Lucas's best ideas. Even more people perceive that each of these things has as little bearing to the issue at hand as your suggestion that people should not be offended by entertainment.

"Some People": Coulter's use of this epithet is offensive.

Bluewarrior: Coulter is an entertainer...you are overreacting to her words.

"Some People": Coulter's status as an entertainer doesn't matter; she is an intelligent person who used a derogatory word she simply should not have. It would have been offensive no matter who said it, and it's especially offensive because it was applauded by powerful people. Had it been said by you, who is taken seriously by nobody, we would find it offensive.

Bluewarrior: Coulter is an entertainer...you are overreacting to her words...other people who entertain are offensive and some people laugh at them...some people also don't take them seriously...therefore you should not be offended by Coulter's words.

"Some People": Do you not understand that what you just said does not logically follow? Something to do with fallacies and undistributed middles, but I sense that you choose not to understand that.

Bluewarrior: Aye am better than you...aye understand things better than you...aye obtusely attempt to belittle you...now aye shall repeat ayeself...now do you understand?

"Some People": Shut up, you jackass.








aye am following the definition of pundits as entertainers...al franken and coulter are both pundits...they say irreverent things...aye guess aye don't place any strength in their words...if you care what she says than you obviously were offended...sorry that you were offended...aye was not...and aye'm pretty sure there are many people who don't care what she said either...

lighten up and go catch a stand up comedy act...you can leave right after you pay...you can even politely applaud.

you should catch an episode of southpark sometime...they are irreverent too...

hope you don't get too upset....

...ann coulter is already selling more books since her "shock pundit" routine with all the media attentionn this story received...her book sales are already going up...

amazing...


...the question is...are you going to be silent about this now? ;)

the problem also is that you are blaming the audience for some wrongdoing...

if coulter was the messenger...the audience are only listeners...ad-libs are spinning this to blame the listeners...not the message nor the messanger but the receiver...this is fooling no one...


one thing is for sure...
people are questioning whether or not roberts is really all that strong a candidate...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 09, 2007, 10:07:35 PM
While Al Franken is a pundit, Stewart and Colbert are not. They are satirists and comedians. You have been the one conflating Coulter and Colbert.

Here's the thing: it's a logical leap to say that because the news are now considered to be more entertainment than journalism, then that characterization extends to the people who appear on the news. Many things which are entertaining feature people who are not entertainers (see: Gore v. Quayle debates, 1992), and you saying otherwise is simply fallacious.

Furthermore, your argument that the audience was a "captive" one seems to try to absolve them of their vigorous laughter and applause. This is disingenuous, and to me, the only acceptable response would have been to walk out. That is not rude; it is actually more polite.

I don't understand why political leaders responding favorably to hate speech is not a cause for concern, and why you continue to characterize that concern as an overreaction.

franken coulter stewart colbert miller...all pundits...some not as irreverent as others...simple.

...sometimes when you are part of a captive audience ...you still have to get your coat from coatcheck...and sometimes you vigorously applaud when something boring or tedious is over...hopefully your feeling offended will be over soon...good to know that you can read everybody in the captive audience's collective minds...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 09, 2007, 11:53:28 PM
Bluewarrior: I respectfully submit my opinion that you have proven yourself incredibly obtuse and unable to follow even the most basic argument, even after it has been repeatedly explained to you multiple times. You should probably not apply to law school, or if you are already attending, should withdraw immediately. I'm serious. Unless you are just willfully ignoring or misinterpreting everything everyone has said on here (which, for your sake, I hope to be the case), then you simply don't have the logical skills to cut it as a lawyer. I know that sounds condescending, and what the hey, it is, but you've earned that response. Plus, I'm doing you a favor. If you really don't understand what we've been saying (and everything you've said so far demonstrates that you don't), you don't have the particular kind of intelligence required for a career in the law. Sorry. Feel free to prove me wrong by gaining the requisite skills and kicking ass in law school, I'm sure we're all rooting for you.

PS. If this hurts your feelings, just consider me a pundit, conforming to your own special definition of the word. I know I found my post entertaining.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 10, 2007, 12:03:21 AM
Oh, he's famous for being obtuse. But insisting on definitions that don't exist burns my ass, and I guess I can't seem to let it go.

Also, I suppose you are a pundit, because I also found your post entertaining. 
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 10, 2007, 04:21:11 AM
Bluewarrior: I respectfully submit my opinion that you have proven yourself incredibly obtuse and unable to color=red](i}[/colofollow even the most basic argument, even after it has been repeatedly explained to you multiple times. You should probably not apply to law school, or if you are already attending, should withdraw immediately. I'm serious. Unless you are just willfully ignoring or misinterpreting everything everyone has said on here which, for your sake, I hope to be the case), then you simply don't have the logical skills to cut it as a lawyer. I know that sounds condescending, and what the hey, it is, but you've earned that response. Plus, I'm doing you a favor. If you really don't understand what we've been saying (and everything you've said so far demonstrates that you don't), you don't have the particular kind of intelligence required for a career in the law. Sorry. Feel free to prove me wrong by gaining the requisite skills and kicking ass in law school, I'm sure we're all rooting for you.

PS. If this hurts your feelings, just consider me a pundit, conforming to your own special definition of the word. I know I found my post entertaining.


some entertainers like ann coulter push things too far...why would you want to silent our entertainers who use "shock tactics" as their cabaret...howard stern still gains listeners everyday...irreverent though he may be and the things he may say...like stern, as a "shock jock" coulter too gains people's interest as a "shock pundit"...an entertainer like al franken may even be soon asking for your vote...

better think about it...some of you seemed to miss my point.

Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 10, 2007, 04:35:37 AM
Oh, he's famous for being obtuse. But insisting on definitions that don't exist burns my ass, and I guess I can't seem to let it go.

Also, I suppose you are a pundit, because I also found your post entertaining. 


you mean this definition? 

the one that mentions some pundits by name...like al franken and ann coulter...they are the entertainers messing with the journalistic integrity of the news. {coulter and franken and some others ;)} are the ones who are making the news devolve further toward entertainment and away from reporting...and this definition hardly puts blame on the audience? or does it?  ;)

In the English-speaking West, pundits write signed articles in print media (blurbs included), and appear on radio, television, or the internet to opine on current events. Television pundits may also be referred to as talking heads.

In the strict use of the term, a "pundit" has recognized expertise in a particular field. The term, however, increasingly refers to popular media personalities who express opinions without necessarily holding recognized expertise in the area on which they opine. In recent years in the US, with the increased popularity of prose, television and radio personalities such as Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, pundits are increasingly seen not as experts, but as ideological partisans who tend to do more ranting than measured commentary. They are often accused of being politically biased, and of using informal logic in fallacious ways. This perception has caused the term "pundit" to take on derogatory overtones, with more of the sense of an arrogant loudmouth than an educated commentator. Thus, the term has begun to take on a negative connotations and is often used as a term of disparagement. There is a perception that the popularity of punditry has become harmful to journalism, as many perceive it as another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Miss P on March 10, 2007, 08:16:48 AM
This is probably a waste of time because I'm not going to convince you because you seem very idoctrinated.  The NAACP ran an ad depicting a chain being dragged behind a truck in the dirt whith a voice over talking about how "the then Texas Governor didnt support hate-crime legislation and it was like the person who was dragged was killed all over again."  Then Governor Bush had already signed the death warrant for the perps of that act.  The word faggot is undeiably hateful, so too is such slander and filth.  If you are too blind to see that these things are a two-way street, and you think Republicans are the only bigots and hate-mongers in this country, well then you are blinded by a pile of dogma so high that it has obstructed the view from your ivory tower.

I know I'm very late coming to this, but I can't believe no one responded to this "analogy."  I'm not quite sure what you're getting at.  This was an ad asking people to call then-Governor Bush to tell him to sign a hate crimes bill into law.  You can read about the ad here:  http://www.gwu.edu/~action/ads2/adnaacp.html.  It may seem over the top with our decade's distance from James Byrd's murder, but what does this have to do with Ann Coulter's calling Edwards a faggot, with the Democrats or the NAACP or anyone else "hosting hate speech" or anything else?  How is this bigoted, and how does it reflect a particular audience's acceptance of and applause for bigotry?

I'd also like to point out that it is usually Republicans who use this kind of vicims' rights/tough-on-crime rhetoric to take cheap shots at political opponents, so even if this ad were at all a similar error or offense, the sourcing seems highly misleading and selective.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 10, 2007, 08:28:39 AM
Oh, he's famous for being obtuse. But insisting on definitions that don't exist burns my ass, and I guess I can't seem to let it go.

Also, I suppose you are a pundit, because I also found your post entertaining. 


you mean this definition? 

the one that mentions some pundits by name...like al franken and ann coulter...they are the entertainers messing with the journalistic integrity of the news. {coulter and franken and some others ;)} are the ones who are making the news devolve further toward entertainment and away from reporting...and this definition hardly puts blame on the audience? or does it?  ;)

In the English-speaking West, pundits write signed articles in print media (blurbs included), and appear on radio, television, or the internet to opine on current events. Television pundits may also be referred to as talking heads.

In the strict use of the term, a "pundit" has recognized expertise in a particular field. The term, however, increasingly refers to popular media personalities who express opinions without necessarily holding recognized expertise in the area on which they opine. In recent years in the US, with the increased popularity of prose, television and radio personalities such as Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, pundits are increasingly seen not as experts, but as ideological partisans who tend to do more ranting than measured commentary. They are often accused of being politically biased, and of using informal logic in fallacious ways. This perception has caused the term "pundit" to take on derogatory overtones, with more of the sense of an arrogant loudmouth than an educated commentator. Thus, the term has begun to take on a negative connotations and is often used as a term of disparagement. There is a perception that the popularity of punditry has become harmful to journalism, as many perceive it as another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.


Again...what? We already went over this. You're assuming that because WIKIPEDIA says that the news are considered to be less journalism than entertainment that the people responsible for that are therefore entertainers, when the key word is clearly "considered," which does shift the attention to the perceivers--i.e. the audience, and not those on the news.

Miss P--Would you believe that I completely missed that? Going back, it's actually almost laughable that AJF equates calling John Edwards a faggot with the NAACP "calling" Bush...what? A murderer at most, right? Which is not something he can deny at this stage in the game. And technically, all the ad called him was a governor who didn't support hate-crime legislation, which I really don't think qualifies as "slander and filth."

Ugh, God. I hate when people equate criticism of the government with slander. The Sedition Acts were unconstitutional, folks.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 11, 2007, 12:59:03 AM
Oh, he's famous for being obtuse. But insisting on definitions that don't exist burns my ass, and I guess I can't seem to let it go.

Also, I suppose you are a pundit, because I also found your post entertaining. 


you mean this definition? 

the one that mentions some pundits by name...like al franken and ann coulter...they are the entertainers messing with the journalistic integrity of the news. {coulter and franken and some others ;)} are the ones who are making the news devolve further toward entertainment and away from reporting...and this definition hardly puts blame on the audience? or does it?  ;)

In the English-speaking West, pundits write signed articles in print media (blurbs included), and appear on radio, television, or the internet to opine on current events. Television pundits may also be referred to as talking heads.

In the strict use of the term, a "pundit" has recognized expertise in a particular field. The term, however, increasingly refers to popular media personalities who express opinions without necessarily holding recognized expertise in the area on which they opine. In recent years in the US, with the increased popularity of prose, television and radio personalities such as Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, pundits are increasingly seen not as experts, but as ideological partisans who tend to do more ranting than measured commentary. They are often accused of being politically biased, and of using informal logic in fallacious ways. This perception has caused the term "pundit" to take on derogatory overtones, with more of the sense of an arrogant loudmouth than an educated commentator. Thus, the term has begun to take on a negative connotations and is often used as a term of disparagement. There is a perception that the popularity of punditry has become harmful to journalism, as many perceive it as another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.


Again...what? We already went over this. You're assuming that because WIKIPEDIA says that the news are considered to be less journalism than entertainment that the people responsible for that are therefore entertainers, when the key word is clearly "considered," which does shift the attention to the perceivers--i.e. the audience, and not those on the news.

Miss P--Would you believe that I completely missed that? Going back, it's actually almost laughable that AJF equates calling John Edwards a faggot with the NAACP "calling" Bush...what? A murderer at most, right? Which is not something he can deny at this stage in the game. And technically, all the ad called him was a governor who didn't support hate-crime legislation, which I really don't think qualifies as "slander and filth."

Ugh, God. I hate when people equate criticism of the government with slander. The Sedition Acts were unconstitutional, folks.


aye perhaps am a little more informed than you...most pundits to me...including al franken...dennis miller...bill maher...ann coulter...and keith olberman are entertainers...and aye place no weight in what they say...they are just amusing to me...clown like if you will...plus...ann coulter writes books which are political commentary{you may look at it as fact...aye look at it as fiction}...plus...stand-up comedians take irreverent remarks and humor even further still...and aye find them amusing as well...perhaps you do not...and this is america and if you feel offended you can address it openly...thank god...everyone is sorry that people were offended...but don't make ann coulter out to be more than what she is...and don't hold a captive audience responsible for some messangers antics.

by the way...aye didn't need a definition as you seemed to need as some proof to figure this out ::)...to me it was unsimple common sense...

what ann coulter said is really unimportant...get over it...seems like the press has closed the door hard on this one so perhaps you are making more of an entertainers "schtick" than necessary...her jokes are about as good as kerry's jokes.  ;)

seriously...have you ever heard howard stern's commentary?  how about eddie murphy?

aye guess coulter would be considered "cutting edge" to you since she crossed into territory no one else has covered...



this is a non-issue...

pyb, m'am...

seeing as you are not using the "common sense" device aye figure you are probably going to blindly vote democrat in 08.
will you be supporting kerry again? ;)


all jokes aside...aye have a good book for you to check out...websters' first new intergalactic wickedary of the english language by mary daly.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 11, 2007, 03:11:03 AM
don't shoot the messanger shoot the receiver?

coulter's words were cantankerous...but don't shoot her...shoot everyone in the captive audience...even those who were zzzzzzzzz...

 ::) thank god this is not the way it works...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 11, 2007, 08:55:53 AM
Oh, he's famous for being obtuse. But insisting on definitions that don't exist burns my ass, and I guess I can't seem to let it go.

Also, I suppose you are a pundit, because I also found your post entertaining. 


you mean this definition? 

the one that mentions some pundits by name...like al franken and ann coulter...they are the entertainers messing with the journalistic integrity of the news. {coulter and franken and some others ;)} are the ones who are making the news devolve further toward entertainment and away from reporting...and this definition hardly puts blame on the audience? or does it?  ;)

In the English-speaking West, pundits write signed articles in print media (blurbs included), and appear on radio, television, or the internet to opine on current events. Television pundits may also be referred to as talking heads.

In the strict use of the term, a "pundit" has recognized expertise in a particular field. The term, however, increasingly refers to popular media personalities who express opinions without necessarily holding recognized expertise in the area on which they opine. In recent years in the US, with the increased popularity of prose, television and radio personalities such as Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh, pundits are increasingly seen not as experts, but as ideological partisans who tend to do more ranting than measured commentary. They are often accused of being politically biased, and of using informal logic in fallacious ways. This perception has caused the term "pundit" to take on derogatory overtones, with more of the sense of an arrogant loudmouth than an educated commentator. Thus, the term has begun to take on a negative connotations and is often used as a term of disparagement. There is a perception that the popularity of punditry has become harmful to journalism, as many perceive it as another example of news devolving further towards entertainment and away from reporting.


Again...what? We already went over this. You're assuming that because WIKIPEDIA says that the news are considered to be less journalism than entertainment that the people responsible for that are therefore entertainers, when the key word is clearly "considered," which does shift the attention to the perceivers--i.e. the audience, and not those on the news.

Miss P--Would you believe that I completely missed that? Going back, it's actually almost laughable that AJF equates calling John Edwards a faggot with the NAACP "calling" Bush...what? A murderer at most, right? Which is not something he can deny at this stage in the game. And technically, all the ad called him was a governor who didn't support hate-crime legislation, which I really don't think qualifies as "slander and filth."

Ugh, God. I hate when people equate criticism of the government with slander. The Sedition Acts were unconstitutional, folks.


aye perhaps am a little more informed than you...most pundits to me...including al franken...dennis miller...bill maher...ann coulter...and keith olberman are entertainers...and aye place no weight in what they say...they are just amusing to me...clown like if you will...plus...ann coulter writes books which are political commentary{you may look at it as fact...aye look at it as fiction}...plus...stand-up comedians take irreverent remarks and humor even further still...and aye find them amusing as well...perhaps you do not...and this is america and if you feel offended you can address it openly...thank god...everyone is sorry that people were offended...but don't make ann coulter out to be more than what she is...and don't hold a captive audience responsible for some messangers antics.

by the way...aye didn't need a definition as you seemed to need as some proof to figure this out ::)...to me it was unsimple common sense...

what ann coulter said is really unimportant...get over it...seems like the press has closed the door hard on this one so perhaps you are making more of an entertainers "schtick" than necessary...her jokes are about as good as kerry's jokes.  ;)

seriously...have you ever heard howard stern's commentary?  how about eddie murphy?

aye guess coulter would be considered "cutting edge" to you since she crossed into territory no one else has covered...



this is a non-issue...

pyb, m'am...

seeing as you are not using the "common sense" device aye figure you are probably going to blindly vote democrat in 08.
will you be supporting kerry again? ;)


all jokes aside...aye have a good book for you to check out...websters' first new intergalactic wickedary of the english language by mary daly.

I generally vote Socialist, but thanks for asking.

As to the above, I feel like we're finally making some headway. See my bolds.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: _BP_ on March 11, 2007, 09:54:12 PM
Miss P, I see you're still awesome.

Dashrashi, don't argue with fools, they will bring you down to their level and....haha you know the rest.

Some of the responses on this thread reminds me of this Lauryn Hill line:

Now, who you know without any flaws
That lives above the spiritual laws
And does anything they feel just because
There's always someone there who'll applaud


or make excuses, or set up false analogies....HA!

Seriously though, with all this country has seen in the last few years, with all the new scandals and lies that are being revealed before our eyes, and given the collective mindset that it took to get us where we are now, it takes a really "special" person to still want to sip the kool-aid. It's like the blindfolds have been removed and they decided to keep their eyes shut. There's little the rest of us can do LOL



Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Slow Children At Play on March 15, 2007, 09:06:57 PM
"It is the creative potential itself in human beings that is the image of God."

"'God's plan' is often a front for men's plans and a cover for inadequacy, ignorance, and evil".
...

"Tokenism does not change stereotypes of social systems but works to preserve them, since it dulls the revolutionary impulse."

...mary daly


clowns will continue to use words like a car wreck...to draw people in...people like howard stern and ann coulter and al franken have used "verbal shock" to make money...their words are their message.

...just don't buy it...most of the audience doesn't.




this is a kool quote from toure's book...never drank the kool-aid   "I never bought into the philosophy of the rappers, singers, and celebrities I wrote about. I wasn't there to help extend their brands and the story they were selling. I was there to try to understand who they were beyond the image they want us to think they were."

NICE SLED... ya louger.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 15, 2007, 11:45:59 PM
"It is the creative potential itself in human beings that is the image of God."

"'God's plan' is often a front for men's plans and a cover for inadequacy, ignorance, and evil".
...

"Tokenism does not change stereotypes of social systems but works to preserve them, since it dulls the revolutionary impulse."

...mary daly


clowns will continue to use words like a car wreck...to draw people in...people like howard stern and ann coulter and al franken have used "verbal shock" to make money...their words are their message.

...just don't buy it...most of the audience doesn't.




this is a kool quote from toure's book...never drank the kool-aid   "I never bought into the philosophy of the rappers, singers, and celebrities I wrote about. I wasn't there to help extend their brands and the story they were selling. I was there to try to understand who they were beyond the image they want us to think they were."
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Benefactor on March 18, 2007, 06:30:34 PM
Is there something particularly offensive about calling someone something that he/she obviously is not?  Edwards is married with kids.  Despite his fantastic hair, everyone, even Ann, knows hes not gay.  Sooo she called him a faggot, people call Bush a nazi and war crimminal all the time, both equally untrue statements.  Will you all get up an arms about such comments that serve only to cheapen the severity of the holocaust?

Bush is a war criminal, though.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 22, 2007, 09:07:01 PM
Is there something particularly offensive about calling someone something that he/she obviously is not?  Edwards is married with kids.  Despite his fantastic hair, everyone, even Ann, knows hes not gay.  Sooo she called him a faggot, people call Bush a nazi and war crimminal all the time, both equally untrue statements.  Will you all get up an arms about such comments that serve only to cheapen the severity of the holocaust?

Bush is a war criminal, though.

some called george washington a war criminal...though.

yet he like george bush was a commander in chief...

even though he bush calls himself a humble "decider" he is really a Commander.


"the 911 Commander-in-Chief"
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Sell Out on March 24, 2007, 03:36:06 AM
Is there something particularly offensive about calling someone something that he/she obviously is not?  Edwards is married with kids.  Despite his fantastic hair, everyone, even Ann, knows hes not gay.  Sooo she called him a faggot, people call Bush a nazi and war crimminal all the time, both equally untrue statements.  Will you all get up an arms about such comments that serve only to cheapen the severity of the holocaust?

Bush is a war criminal, though.

some called george washington a war criminal...though.

yet he like george bush was a commander in chief...

even though he bush calls himself a humble "decider" he is really a Commander.


"the 911 Commander-in-Chief"

I think to compare Washington to Bush is a tad misguided...
For starters, the American Revolution was about representation for (what would become) the US.  Iraq was first about WMD, then about Saddam Hussein, then about Iraqi Freedom(c).  W could learn a lesson or two from Washington's cherry tree incident.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 24, 2007, 04:22:38 AM



"the 911 Commander-in-Chief"

I think to compare Washington to Bush is a tad misguided...
For starters, the American Revolution was about representation for (what would become) the US.  Iraq was first about WMD, then about Saddam Hussein, then about Iraqi Freedom(c).  W could learn a lesson or two from Washington's cherry tree incident.

aye think it is easy to compare bush to washington...both as commander-in-chief moved the forces of our people's independent resolve to defend our interests...for starters, "freedom of the people" is a big interest america has in the world politique...the kurds were systematically being irradicated...towns at a time were being vaporized...even gassed...sound familiar?  bush stopped this...

and the war with iraq was also representation for {what will later become} Kurdish Iraq, an area of huge economic interest to the united states.

the continued war in iraq was about three things:...a totalitarian nepotistic regime...human genocide and hydrocarbons...

was aye the only one who thought this was why we were BACK there to finish the job?

sorry...bush has only done what aye hoped he would do...even delaying any comment on the israeli defense of its region, last summer, was a good move by bush... if iraq simmers down sooner than later...that will be the feather in his legacy cap....for now...the kurdish north is safe from the furor.


and aye see you conveniently left out the rooting out of the taliban's control over a country and the targets painted on dr. ayman zawahiri's and osama bin laden's heads.aka AFGHANISTAN.


and in case you haven't noticed the crescentors have been thwarted covertly and publicly by the policies bush has put in place...

not to mention the FACT that there have been no attacks on american soil since bush put his "don't tread on me" warning out there...


trust me when aye write how this translates to the "crescenting guerrillas":..."if you harm the hair of one american citizen on american soil...we are going to go to find out who was behind it and go to your neighborhood and fuching level it.  period."

aye don't know if, badlikemug, you think bush was lying when he conveyed this...aye thought he was speaking sober truth...

now ask yourself...am aye wrong?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ctg31 on March 24, 2007, 03:03:52 PM
You know who else used a terrorist event to seize unprecedented power, stomp on civil liberties, and invade other nations?  Hitler.  Maybe the people AJF mentioned weren't so far off, huh?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: annab on March 24, 2007, 03:04:07 PM



"the 911 Commander-in-Chief"

I think to compare Washington to Bush is a tad misguided...
For starters, the American Revolution was about representation for (what would become) the US.  Iraq was first about WMD, then about Saddam Hussein, then about Iraqi Freedom(c).  W could learn a lesson or two from Washington's cherry tree incident.

aye think it is easy to compare bush to washington...both as commander-in-chief moved the forces of our people's independent resolve to defend our interests...for starters, "freedom of the people" is a big interest america has in the world politique...the kurds were systematically being irradicated...towns at a time were being vaporized...even gassed...sound familiar?  bush stopped this...

and the war with iraq was also representation for {what will later become} Kurdish Iraq, an area of huge economic interest to the united states.

the continued war in iraq was about three things:...a totalitarian nepotistic regime...human genocide and hydrocarbons...

was aye the only one who thought this was why we were BACK there to finish the job?

sorry...bush has only done what aye hoped he would do...even delaying any comment on the israeli defense of its region, last summer, was a good move by bush... if iraq simmers down sooner than later...that will be the feather in his legacy cap....for now...the kurdish north is safe from the furor.


and aye see you conveniently left out the rooting out of the taliban's control over a country and the targets painted on dr. ayman zawahiri's and osama bin laden's heads.aka AFGHANISTAN.


and in case you haven't noticed the crescentors have been thwarted covertly and publicly by the policies bush has put in place...

not to mention the FACT that there have been no attacks on american soil since bush put his "don't tread on me" warning out there...


trust me when aye write how this translates to the "crescenting guerrillas":..."if you harm the hair of one american citizen on american soil...we are going to go to find out who was behind it and go to your neighborhood and fuching level it.  period."

aye don't know if, badlikemug, you think bush was lying when he conveyed this...aye thought he was speaking sober truth...

now ask yourself...am aye wrong?

Yes.  About so many things that it's not even worth starting to go into.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 24, 2007, 03:55:53 PM
You know who else used a terrorist event to seize unprecedented power, stomp on civil liberties, and invade other nations?  Hitler.  Maybe the people AJF mentioned weren't so far off, huh?


I find your comparison personally offensive and outlandishly misguided...You should consider some sensitivities before making such a claim.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 24, 2007, 08:05:03 PM
Comparisons like that are always rhetorical and I wouldn't recommend getting too het up over them.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 24, 2007, 08:43:48 PM
Comparisons like that are always rhetorical and I wouldn't recommend getting too het up over them.

I would usually agree with you, but the point of the thred is kindof all about getting too het up over things.  And I do find the comparison personally offensive, so why not get het up? I find the comparison much much much more offensive than using the "f" word, in my opinion.  It isnt fair to say one is offensive and one isn't.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 25, 2007, 12:01:09 PM
You know who else used a terrorist event to seize unprecedented power, stomp on civil liberties, and invade other nations?  Hitler.  Maybe the people AJF mentioned weren't so far off, huh?


yes but you don't have a very good analogy in that hitler gassed his own countrymen and attempted to eradicate a culture from the planet...that analogy above is more suited to saddam hussein...

hope this helps you. :-\
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ! B L U E WAR R I O R..! on March 25, 2007, 12:05:29 PM



"the 911 Commander-in-Chief"

I think to compare Washington to Bush is a tad misguided...
For starters, the American Revolution was about representation for (what would become) the US.  Iraq was first about WMD, then about Saddam Hussein, then about Iraqi Freedom(c).  W could learn a lesson or two from Washington's cherry tree incident.

aye think it is easy to compare bush to washington...both as commander-in-chief moved the forces of our people's independent resolve to defend our interests...for starters, "freedom of the people" is a big interest america has in the world politique...the kurds were systematically being irradicated...towns at a time were being vaporized...even gassed...sound familiar?  bush stopped this...

and the war with iraq was also representation for {what will later become} Kurdish Iraq, an area of huge economic interest to the united states.

the continued war in iraq was about three things:...a totalitarian nepotistic regime...human genocide and hydrocarbons...

was aye the only one who thought this was why we were BACK there to finish the job?

sorry...bush has only done what aye hoped he would do...even delaying any comment on the israeli defense of its region, last summer, was a good move by bush... if iraq simmers down sooner than later...that will be the feather in his legacy cap....for now...the kurdish north is safe from the furor.


and aye see you conveniently left out the rooting out of the taliban's control over a country and the targets painted on dr. ayman zawahiri's and osama bin laden's heads.aka AFGHANISTAN.


and in case you haven't noticed the crescentors have been thwarted covertly and publicly by the policies bush has put in place...

not to mention the FACT that there have been no attacks on american soil since bush put his "don't tread on me" warning out there...


trust me when aye write how this translates to the "crescenting guerrillas":..."if you harm the hair of one american citizen on american soil...we are going to go to find out who was behind it and go to your neighborhood and fuching level it.  period."

aye don't know if, badlikemug, you think bush was lying when he conveyed this...aye thought he was speaking sober truth...

now ask yourself...am aye wrong?

Yes.  About so many things that it's not even worth starting to go into.

why? because what aye mentioned is actually happening in the world...and criticising what aye wrote won't change anything and campaigning against it is futile?

aye think the other positions and rationale are wrong...you are on the losing side of an argument and you should give up...

so your answer makes my stance stronger. ;)
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: ctg31 on March 26, 2007, 11:55:35 AM
Comparisons like that are always rhetorical and I wouldn't recommend getting too het up over them.

I would usually agree with you, but the point of the thred is kindof all about getting too het up over things.  And I do find the comparison personally offensive, so why not get het up? I find the comparison much much much more offensive than using the "f" word, in my opinion.  It isnt fair to say one is offensive and one isn't.

Except one is a belief that is becoming more widespread, including, most importantly, experts on German history and the Holocaust.  I find the thought that someone could still support Bush after all he's done laughable.  He's alienated true conservatives and liberals alike.  He is a disgrace to this country and everything we used to stand for.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 26, 2007, 12:29:46 PM
Comparisons like that are always rhetorical and I wouldn't recommend getting too het up over them.

I would usually agree with you, but the point of the thred is kindof all about getting too het up over things.  And I do find the comparison personally offensive, so why not get het up? I find the comparison much much much more offensive than using the "f" word, in my opinion.  It isnt fair to say one is offensive and one isn't.

This is what I meant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law)
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Gopherit on March 26, 2007, 12:35:46 PM
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Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 28, 2007, 01:58:49 PM
Bush is not a war criminal, he is not remotely similar to Adolf Hitler, he has persued policies that are in no way comparable to those of Adolf Hitler.  Comparing him and his actions to Adold Hitler implies that the holocaust and the actions of the Nazi Reich "weren't that bad," and it IS offensive to me.  Ann Coulter illustrating that we have become overly obsessed with political correctness by using a very politically incorrect example, is not offensive to me.  YOU DO NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO BEING OFFENDED.....please, think
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Mr. Bitterness on March 28, 2007, 02:24:52 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 28, 2007, 02:36:16 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

I don't like the word faggot, I don't use it.  I think if you examine the context of what she said, she was illustrating that our society has become overly sensitive, because when the Grey's Anatomy Actor (I forget his name) called another Greys anatomy actor a "faggot" he was forced to go to rehab, or lose his job.  I think that this is an overreaction, and I think the response to Coulter's comments are also an overreaction.  When Senator Byrd, Democrat from West Virginia said "ive seen alot of white niggers in my day" on national TV 5 years ago, where was the outrage from the left?  That seems far more offensive of a statement, so the response to Ms. Coulter's offensive remarks can be seen as strictly political, and can be dismissed just as quickly.  As far as what I find offensive, I think the word "n-word" has extremely deeply rooted historical components and I think it is probably more offensive than the word "faggot" in my mind.  I am personally offended by hate speech against Jews.  Im sure faggot is very offensive to the homosexual community but remember, she didnt say "you're a faggot," "I hate faggots," "Faggots are inferior," or really anything of the sort.  She just implied that if she HAD called someone that word, she would be sent to rehab.  If that is hate speech, then most Richard Wright and Mark Twain books would be banned because they address the issue, not participate in it.     
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 28, 2007, 02:38:22 PM
You know who else used a terrorist event to seize unprecedented power, stomp on civil liberties, and invade other nations? Hitler. Maybe the people AJF mentioned weren't so far off, huh?


yes but you don't have a very good analogy in that hitler gassed his own countrymen and attempted to irradicate a culture from the planet...that analogy above is more suited to saddam hussein...

hope this helps you. :-\

wow...actually "irradication," eh?

dipshit.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 28, 2007, 02:39:42 PM
Bush is not a war criminal, he is not remotely similar to Adolf Hitler, he has persued policies that are in no way comparable to those of Adolf Hitler. Comparing him and his actions to Adold Hitler implies that the holocaust and the actions of the Nazi Reich "weren't that bad," and it IS offensive to me. Ann Coulter illustrating that we have become overly obsessed with political correctness by using a very politically incorrect example, is not offensive to me. YOU DO NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO BEING OFFENDED.....please, think

actually, bush related to hitler on his mother's side.  they third cousins, or something like that.

sorry.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 28, 2007, 02:40:46 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

julie think ajf have something very, very serious to hide.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 28, 2007, 02:41:53 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

I don't like the word faggot, I don't use it. I think if you examine the context of what she said, she was illustrating that our society has become overly sensitive, because when the Grey's Anatomy Actor (I forget his name) called another Greys anatomy actor a "faggot" he was forced to go to rehab, or lose his job. I think that this is an overreaction, and I think the response to Coulter's comments are also an overreaction. When Senator Byrd, Democrat from West Virginia said "ive seen alot of white niggers in my day" on national TV 5 years ago, where was the outrage from the left? That seems far more offensive of a statement, so the response to Ms. Coulter's offensive remarks can be seen as strictly political, and can be dismissed just as quickly. As far as what I find offensive, I think the word "n-word" has extremely deeply rooted historical components and I think it is probably more offensive than the word "faggot" in my mind. I am personally offended by hate speech against Jews. Im sure faggot is very offensive to the homosexual community but remember, she didnt say "you're a faggot," "I hate faggots," "Faggots are inferior," or really anything of the sort. She just implied that if she HAD called someone that word, she would be sent to rehab. If that is hate speech, then most Richard Wright and Mark Twain books would be banned because they address the issue, not participate in it.

julie just think a.c. want call j.e. that name.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 28, 2007, 02:51:39 PM
Bush is not a war criminal, he is not remotely similar to Adolf Hitler, he has persued policies that are in no way comparable to those of Adolf Hitler. Comparing him and his actions to Adold Hitler implies that the holocaust and the actions of the Nazi Reich "weren't that bad," and it IS offensive to me. Ann Coulter illustrating that we have become overly obsessed with political correctness by using a very politically incorrect example, is not offensive to me. YOU DO NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO BEING OFFENDED.....please, think

actually, bush related to hitler on his mother's side.  they third cousins, or something like that.

sorry.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE.  It would be slightly clever had I used the word "related."
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: dashrashi on March 28, 2007, 02:52:44 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

I don't like the word faggot, I don't use it. I think if you examine the context of what she said, she was illustrating that our society has become overly sensitive, because when the Grey's Anatomy Actor (I forget his name) called another Greys anatomy actor a "faggot" he was forced to go to rehab, or lose his job. I think that this is an overreaction, and I think the response to Coulter's comments are also an overreaction. When Senator Byrd, Democrat from West Virginia said "ive seen alot of white niggers in my day" on national TV 5 years ago, where was the outrage from the left? That seems far more offensive of a statement, so the response to Ms. Coulter's offensive remarks can be seen as strictly political, and can be dismissed just as quickly. As far as what I find offensive, I think the word "n-word" has extremely deeply rooted historical components and I think it is probably more offensive than the word "faggot" in my mind. I am personally offended by hate speech against Jews. Im sure faggot is very offensive to the homosexual community but remember, she didnt say "you're a faggot," "I hate faggots," "Faggots are inferior," or really anything of the sort. She just implied that if she HAD called someone that word, she would be sent to rehab. If that is hate speech, then most Richard Wright and Mark Twain books would be banned because they address the issue, not participate in it.

julie just think a.c. want call j.e. that name.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 28, 2007, 02:56:40 PM
Bush is not a war criminal, he is not remotely similar to Adolf Hitler, he has persued policies that are in no way comparable to those of Adolf Hitler. Comparing him and his actions to Adold Hitler implies that the holocaust and the actions of the Nazi Reich "weren't that bad," and it IS offensive to me. Ann Coulter illustrating that we have become overly obsessed with political correctness by using a very politically incorrect example, is not offensive to me. YOU DO NOT HAVE EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO BEING OFFENDED.....please, think

actually, bush related to hitler on his mother's side. they third cousins, or something like that.

sorry.

THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. It would be slightly clever had I used the word "related."

never heard of dna?

putz.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 28, 2007, 02:57:17 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

I don't like the word faggot, I don't use it. I think if you examine the context of what she said, she was illustrating that our society has become overly sensitive, because when the Grey's Anatomy Actor (I forget his name) called another Greys anatomy actor a "faggot" he was forced to go to rehab, or lose his job. I think that this is an overreaction, and I think the response to Coulter's comments are also an overreaction. When Senator Byrd, Democrat from West Virginia said "ive seen alot of white niggers in my day" on national TV 5 years ago, where was the outrage from the left? That seems far more offensive of a statement, so the response to Ms. Coulter's offensive remarks can be seen as strictly political, and can be dismissed just as quickly. As far as what I find offensive, I think the word "n-word" has extremely deeply rooted historical components and I think it is probably more offensive than the word "faggot" in my mind. I am personally offended by hate speech against Jews. Im sure faggot is very offensive to the homosexual community but remember, she didnt say "you're a faggot," "I hate faggots," "Faggots are inferior," or really anything of the sort. She just implied that if she HAD called someone that word, she would be sent to rehab. If that is hate speech, then most Richard Wright and Mark Twain books would be banned because they address the issue, not participate in it.

julie just think a.c. want call j.e. that name.

Agreed.

you fine american.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Steak Pita on March 28, 2007, 03:07:01 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

Why should anyone deserve protection from "hate speech?" I can't stand Ann Coulter (mostly because she is a blowhard who makes conservatives look bad, which they aren't), but I don't think what she said was a big deal. This is mostly because I'm not some oversensitive creampuff who gets my panties in a bunch every time I hear a naughty or offensive word.

I'm not offended by people calling George W. Bush a Nazi either. Sure it's an exaggeration, but he certainly seems to have some fascist tendencies.

I just wish everyone would stop claiming how offended they are by what other people say. Everyone seems to be competing for the title of biggest victim. I'm sick of it.

Whiners and crybabies, all of you!
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: annab on March 28, 2007, 03:20:00 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

Why should anyone deserve protection from "hate speech?" I can't stand Ann Coulter (mostly because she is a blowhard who makes conservatives look bad, which they aren't), but I don't think what she said was a big deal. This is mostly because I'm not some oversensitive creampuff who gets my panties in a bunch every time I hear a naughty or offensive word.

I'm not offended by people calling George W. Bush a Nazi either. Sure it's an exaggeration, but he certainly seems to have some fascist tendencies.

I just wish everyone would stop claiming how offended they are by what other people say. Everyone seems to be competing for the title of biggest victim. I'm sick of it.

Whiners and crybabies, all of you!

More likely, you're just not a member of a group that faces incessant societal discrimination.  :)
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: AJF on March 28, 2007, 03:20:59 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

Why should anyone deserve protection from "hate speech?" I can't stand Ann Coulter (mostly because she is a blowhard who makes conservatives look bad, which they aren't), but I don't think what she said was a big deal. This is mostly because I'm not some oversensitive creampuff who gets my panties in a bunch every time I hear a naughty or offensive word.

I'm not offended by people calling George W. Bush a Nazi either. Sure it's an exaggeration, but he certainly seems to have some fascist tendencies.

I just wish everyone would stop claiming how offended they are by what other people say. Everyone seems to be competing for the title of biggest victim. I'm sick of it.

Whiners and crybabies, all of you!

To be clear, I was only expressing being personally offended by calling bush a Nazi to make a point, I completely agree with you...
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Miss P on March 28, 2007, 03:38:30 PM
You know who's really a present-day Hitler?  Ronnie Earle!

Quote from: Tom Delay
I believe it was Adolf Hitler who first acknowledged that the big lie is more effective than the little lie, because the big lie is so audacious, such an astonishing immorality, that people have a hard time believing anyone would say it if it wasn’t true.

You know, the big lie — like the Holocaust never happened or dark-skinned people are less intelligent than light-skinned people. Well, by charging this big lie about money laundering, liberals have finally joined the ranks of scoundrels like Hitler.

Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Julie Fern on March 28, 2007, 03:48:46 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

Why should anyone deserve protection from "hate speech?" I can't stand Ann Coulter (mostly because she is a blowhard who makes conservatives look bad, which they aren't), but I don't think what she said was a big deal. This is mostly because I'm not some oversensitive creampuff who gets my panties in a bunch every time I hear a naughty or offensive word.

I'm not offended by people calling George W. Bush a Nazi either. Sure it's an exaggeration, but he certainly seems to have some fascist tendencies.

I just wish everyone would stop claiming how offended they are by what other people say. Everyone seems to be competing for the title of biggest victim. I'm sick of it.

Whiners and crybabies, all of you!

julie hate you.
Title: Re: Ann Coulter calls Edwards a Faggot.
Post by: Mr. Bitterness on March 28, 2007, 05:20:51 PM
I'm curious, AJF. Do Anne Coulter's comments not offend you because you think her hate speech is just the bluster of a pundit who wants publicity (and you would be similarly unoffended by her calling Barack Obama an n-word)? Or is it because you just don't think that homosexuals are a category of people deserving of protection from hate speech the way blacks, jews, etc. are? Or another reason?

Why should anyone deserve protection from "hate speech?" I can't stand Ann Coulter (mostly because she is a blowhard who makes conservatives look bad, which they aren't), but I don't think what she said was a big deal. This is mostly because I'm not some oversensitive creampuff who gets my panties in a bunch every time I hear a naughty or offensive word.

I'm not offended by people calling George W. Bush a Nazi either. Sure it's an exaggeration, but he certainly seems to have some fascist tendencies.

I just wish everyone would stop claiming how offended they are by what other people say. Everyone seems to be competing for the title of biggest victim. I'm sick of it.

Whiners and crybabies, all of you!

More likely, you're just not a member of a group that faces incessant societal discrimination.  :)


Parable:

One time, when I was working my third 75-hour-week in a row last year, a friend of mine (who is a trust-fund baby and has never worked a day in her life, to my knowledge) asked me to go to her "I'm leaving the country and will visit Paris, Prague, and other exotic locales for months!" party. I declined, saying I was too tired to party and that I had to work early the following morning. She then berated me for being a crybaby who only ever whines about work.