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Title: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Einstein on March 02, 2007, 07:43:38 AM
Moving thread from here:
http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,77864.0.html
because of there is more traffic on this board...




Ok here are my questions about Denver and the University.

This first question is def. the most important out of the bunch.

1. My fiancee is graduating with a Associates in Nursing this Spring.  She has already been offered 3 jobs here in Texas but she can't accept them until I know where I will be this Fall.  She has heard from 2 students at her school that are trying to move to Denver, that when they inquire about jobs in Denver, they say that they must have a BSN from the Colorado schools. 

I do not want to move to a city, and she not be able to find a good nursing job.. Does anyone know anything about this?  Any suggestions?

2. I would like to live within a 10 minute drive from campus, I would also like to live where a lot of young professions are.. along with other law students.. Maybe a highrise condo, or nice apartment.. What intersection or parts of Denver meet this criteria?

3. Everyone talks about grading curves.. what is Denver's grading curve?

4. What is Denver's true attrition rate?

5. If I am wanting to pursue IP Patent law, health care law, investment law, startup business law, and white collar crime law... But mainly IP Patent.. can I get a job easily graduating from Denver?  I want to be respected and sought after.. I don't want to beg for employment..

6. What is the weather like?  Do you have to carry a snow shovel around in your car?
Are you digging yourself out from inside your apartment?  Is is rainy and overcast alot?
How warm are the summers?  When does summer start in Denver, when does it end?

7. Does the law school sponsor bar review on thursday nights?
what about other social events?  Do professors ever hold parties at their houses?
What are the students like?  Are they rich snobs?  are they blue collar hard workers? 
How does the admin treat the students?

8. How far do you have to walk from the parking garage to your classrooms?  Do you ever find yourself saying.. this really sucks walking all of this way in the freezing cold, or horrid heat?

9. How are the professors?  Are they easy to understand?  Do they make concepts easy to grasp or do you have to struggle to get it..?  Professors make the class and the education that you get at a school.. do you think that you are getting what you are paying for?  $150,000 worth..

10. the facilities are obviously nice.. do you have any complaints about them though?

11. Do you get full access to Lexis Nexis or only partial?

12. How should you prepare for 1L at Denver?

13. Tell me critisisms of the school and things associated with your experience at Denver..

14. Do you know of students who are working part time in a law related area as a 1 or 2L?  If so, how did they get it, and what type of employment is it?  Do you know anyone that is a part time patent agent while attending Denver law?

Thanks a bunch!
 
 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: jer on March 02, 2007, 07:54:10 AM
still no word on scholarship $$$,
so i doubt i'll end up there
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Einstein on March 02, 2007, 07:55:57 AM
still no word on scholarship $$$,
so i doubt i'll end up there

I thought you were sitting out a cycle anyway?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: jer on March 02, 2007, 08:01:38 AM
still no word on scholarship $$$,
so i doubt i'll end up there

I thought you were sitting out a cycle anyway?

most likely, but if they offered sweeet $$ i'd possibly go or at least ask to be deferred and keep the scholarship $$
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on March 02, 2007, 04:06:49 PM
Ill try to answer a few of theseÖ

3.  The curve is 3.09 Ė so between a B and a B+.  I had a couple of classes last semester where there was an even spread between A-C, and a couple of classes where the profs gave almost all Bís.
 
4.  I think what LSAC says (2.1%) is probably close. I know a couple of students that didnít do so hot last semester, so they are working with AAP (academic achievement program) to improve their test taking skills.  Plus they had a mandatory meeting with the Profs, where they went over their tests and discussed what they could have done differently.  Nobody in my section failed a class last semester, and I believe my whole section of 90 is back this semester. 

8.  The parking garage is attached to the law school. You have to pay for a year permit - it gets added on to your tuition bill if you choose it.  TOTALLY worthwhile though.

11.  Full access to both Lexis and Westlaw.  I couldnít imagine life without it.


The rest are all opinion Qs, and my brain is a little fried due to midterms, so Ill come back to those.  ;)


EDIT: Matthies beat me to it, but I thought Id post what I have already...
Matthies - we were told the curve was 3.09, not 3.0.  My classes last semester all ended up being between 3.0 and 3.9.  Dunno.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on March 02, 2007, 11:15:06 PM
Yes, welcome back Matthies!!  You were SUCH a huge help last year when I was going crazy before law school.

They curve ALL first year courses and professors have the option of curving classes with 20 or more.  From what I've seen in the grade distribution, most don't curve after 1L.

Academic probation is 2.2 for 1L but the faculty just passed a proposal to raise that to a 2.3.  I agree, it is really hard to flunk out of here.  You really have to try.  If your grades suck, they will work with you.

If you ultimately decide on DU, get a parking pass for the garage.  SO worth it.

Lexis and Westlaw are lifesafers.  Not to mention a good source for free stuff.

I keep hearing how unusual this winter is.  Apparently all this snow we've been getting is not normal.  But it's snow one day, and 70 the next.

I agree on the Guerilla book.  A lady in the career services recommended it and it is awesome!!

Yes, there are social events on Thursdays.  I believe they are called Thank Goodness It's Thursday Night.  Even if you don't go to SBA sponsored events, there's plenty of people willing to go grab a beer with you.

Oh, and if there are any other current DU students reading this...GO TO THE PILG AUCTION tomorrow!!  $25 for dinner, drinking (open bar!!), and dancing with your professors and fellow law students. Bid on brunch with the dean, home cooked dinner from professor, lunch with CO supreme court chief justice, etc etc.

Good luck with your midterms cesco!  I know people in Marsh's property were going crazy.

And good luck to all of you awaiting your acceptance and/or making your final decision.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Blackacre2009 on March 03, 2007, 12:45:48 PM
Hmmmm.....I too should be studying for my midterm this week, but instead I'm procrastinating!!!

Anyways I'll try to put my two cents in on the questions that I can :)

1.  I have no idea about the nursing market in Denver but one of my good friends was saying a few weeks back that she had heard from her cousin (who is an RN) that there is a HUGE shortage of RNs as well as Nursing Assistants in and around the denver metro area, so I would think that your wife might be able to find a job here.

3 and 4: I agree with everyone else above, it's hard to flunk out, you really have to try (and by try I mean never show up for class and never do your reading).  That being said I do know several people on academic probation but from what I have heard they are getting lots of help and DU really does want to ensure that everyone who enrolls here graduates (hence the AAP tutoring programs, etc.)  From what I understand, academic probation is between a 2.0 and a 2.2 (faculty did just vote to increase the minimum requried gpa to a 2.3 so next year probation will be from a 2.0-2.3).  If you are below a 2.0 after your first semester of 1L then you are put on probation.  If you finish 1L with at least a 2.0 then you are allowed to continue to 2L (again with probation being until you get to a 2.2- or 2.3 next year).  If after 1L (after completing both semesters) you are below a 2.0 then you can be academically dismissed from school and if at anytime in your 2L or 3L years you fall below a 2.0 you can be dismissed, but I really think this is a rare occurence. 

5: No idea about the patent law stuff, but I do know that all of the IP postings I have seen require an undergraduate degree in engineering or a hard science and from what I have heard IP firms really like people who have some work expereince in engineering or even people with masters degrees in those fields, but as far as how the IP job market is here in Denver I have no idea :)

6: The weather here is some of the BEST in the nation!  This winter has been abnormal and frankly I'm getting sick of all of the snow (we've had a LOT this year compared to past years), but compared to winters in other places (minesota, the northeast, etc) I will put up with another 6 weeks of snow here to not have to deal with frigid cold temperatures and humidity.  The summers are great (we have some hot days but it's mostly pretty mild) and if you like to be outdoors then this is one of the best places on the planet.  Just to give you an idea of how great the location is I can go to class on Friday morning (from 9-10:15) and be on the ski slopes by 2:00 and thanks to night skiing at Keystone I can ski until 9:00pm :)  (and now all of my classmates know what I spent yesterday doing!!!)

8: Buy a parking pass for the attached garage...it's well worth the $$$ and when you have a 50 pound constittutional law book to lug around you'll be glad you don't have to hike a mile back to your car at night.

12: Prepare for 1L (no matter where you go) by taking time off to relax!  I quit my job 2 weeks prior to school starting and spent the time catching up with friends and family, shopping, being lazy, etc and it was great.  If you can afford it, taking a vacation is also great because once you start law school and depending on what you end up doing in your summers while in law school you may not have the chance to go away on vacation for a while.  I didn't read any law school prep books, but I have lots of friends who started law school before I even applied so I knew what i was getting into and what to expect, if you don't know anyone in law school reading a book about the experience, etc might not be a bad idea. 

13: I don't really have any criticisms of DU as a school.  I have thought about trying to transfer to CU at the end of this year, but that has more to do with my personal feelings about where I want to be and it has absolutely nothing to do with anything about DU as a school.  That being said, I really do think I'm getting a great eduaction at DU and I enjoy the professors and getting to know my classmates this year has been a very fun and rewarding experience.

Anyways, I hope this info helps, good luck!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: scvalent on March 05, 2007, 08:42:22 AM
Hey I just got accepted to DU and I am wondering about a couple of things regarding finances.

1. Considering the extremely high tuition at DU, how are you able to pay your tuition? I know that Stafford loans only cover upwards of around $20,000/year, what other sources of funds do you obtain to pay your tuition?

2. I am a Colorado resident, do residents of the State get any sort of tuition discount? I assume not, but I did find a Colorado Residency Verification form on the DU Law website and I am wondering what exactly is the purpose of that form.

I am pretty sure that DU would be the school for me, however I am definitely afraid of the financial burden that attending DU poses. I have never been in debt, therefore I cannot imagine having to pay back $150,000 in loans when I finish law school. Is the school worth the price? Any responses from current students or prospective student would be kindly appreciated!!!!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: watson on March 18, 2007, 09:17:16 AM
I am visiting Denver next week for Admitted Day as well as to check out the area and apartments.  I am thrilled and nervous at the same time.  Any tips on things to see or to check out while there?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: chonefiggins on March 18, 2007, 07:44:40 PM
Two important questions:

What kinds of numbers do you need to get some/any decent money at Denver? My GPA is not too hot (3.2) but my LSAT is around their 75% (162). I'll also be going to law school straight from ug so I'm pretty poor. They sent me a letter stating that they're gonna be making offers this/next week online.

More importantly, where is the nearest Chipotle? I know there is one on 16th street and I'm really hoping that it is not the closest one to campus.

Big props to you guys for answering everybody's questions. Good to have these insights when we're making these decisions.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: jer on March 19, 2007, 06:56:01 AM
i didn't receive any scholarship $$ from denver,
so there's no way i'll be attending and pass up $15k from smu.
sounds like a beautiful campus with great weather, though
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on March 19, 2007, 09:16:19 AM
Two important questions:

What kinds of numbers do you need to get some/any decent money at Denver? My GPA is not too hot (3.2) but my LSAT is around their 75% (162). I'll also be going to law school straight from ug so I'm pretty poor. They sent me a letter stating that they're gonna be making offers this/next week online.

More importantly, where is the nearest Chipotle? I know there is one on 16th street and I'm really hoping that it is not the closest one to campus.


I dont know on your 1st question....

But as for the 2nd - there is a Chipotle (the ORIGINAL Chipotle) on Evans, about 3 blocks from the law school.  We walk there often.  In fact, Chipotle has become a weekly staple in my diet.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on March 20, 2007, 07:23:17 AM
I am visiting Denver next week for Admitted Day as well as to check out the area and apartments.  I am thrilled and nervous at the same time.  Any tips on things to see or to check out while there?

I can't make the ASW next weekend, but I'm about 98% sure I'll be in Denver in August. Watson, can you please let me know what you find out about apartments (area, prices, apartments that really caught your eye).  Thank you very much. The biggest thing I'm worried about is trying to find a place to live once I get there.

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: jer on March 20, 2007, 07:30:29 AM
i just got a scholarship offer from denver.
no idea why they waited so long.
i've already written them off.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Journeyman on March 20, 2007, 08:07:23 AM
Yea, I got an offer, woulda been a sweet deal except the strings attached.  I'm a bit iffy on the curve at Denver.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on March 20, 2007, 08:18:39 AM
I'm a bit iffy on the curve at Denver.

Im not sure what you mean by this.  Our curve is actually very reasonable...  the best curve I have heard of at any law school is a 3.3, and DU is either a 3.0 or a 3.09.  I think you will find a B curve to be either equal to or better than many schools. 

I believe most DU scholarships require that you remain in the top 50%-60% of your class, and less than 1/3 of students are on scholarship, so it is not unreasonable to expect to keep your $.

If I remember back to when I went through admissions, all of the scholarships I was offered required at least top 1/2 - but many were top 25%.  Then again, I didnt have too many scholarship offers. ;)

Id be happy to answer any Qs about grading specifics at DU.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: jer on March 20, 2007, 08:23:23 AM
isn't the gpa req for scholarship at smu like a 2.9?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Journeyman on March 20, 2007, 08:30:39 AM
Shoot....thought it was a B- curve.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: jer on March 21, 2007, 12:20:18 PM
isn't the gpa req for scholarship at smu like a 2.9?

Whats SMU's curve? If its B or B+ your OK with a 2.9 GPA req.

i'm not positive what smu's curve is, i'd have to ask Ever.  but he made it sound like smu wasn't like baylor where they entice you with a scholarship that's difficult to maintain.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on March 21, 2007, 05:36:56 PM
2 things:
1) Who is going to the Denver ASW? It would be greatly appreciated if you could post some thoughts and an overal review of the day.
2) I wouldn't be worried about keeping up with the curve for your scholarship. If you received a scholarship, you are obviously smart. I'm not going to law school to squeak by, I want to be at the top and I know I will have to work my ass off for that. Keeping the scholarship is just a bonus.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ever162 on March 28, 2007, 07:49:29 PM
isn't the gpa req for scholarship at smu like a 2.9?

Whats SMU's curve? If its B or B+ your OK with a 2.9 GPA req.

B/B- curve with scholarship requirements of a 2.01
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on March 29, 2007, 12:56:14 AM
Hello,

I went to the DU open house and thought I'd share my observations.

It was my first time in Denver and I was pleasantly surprised that the weather was rather warm. In fact, I had to take off my sweatshirt because I was so hot. On my way back to the airport there was a storm rolling in and the temperature dropped to the low 60s, high 50s. The campus was very nice -- a lot of trees, plants, grass, etc. I found the campus to be relatively boring though. Not too many people walking around, nothing really exciting going on the school grounds. Then again, my undergrad was the opposite so I may be used to a lot of action. The buildings were old but in very good shape. Again, my undergrad school had very new buildings so I'm in awe when I see older buildings.

The open house portion of the day was interesting. A panel of 4 or 5 students took questions from about 70 incoming students. Some of the questions were pretty weak (e.g., is attendance mandatory, is there class on friday, etc.). But there were some other interesting questions regarding the curve, their clinics, how the school name holds up out of state, job prospects, and so on. Following the students a panel of 4 professors answered questions. I was surprised to find that the professors answered with such candor to some questions. Then again, they are law professors so maybe I should have expected that. I think most people on this board would have known answers to most, if not all, of the questions that people asked throughout the night. For example, why would you ask "how difficult is the first year" or "I work 30 hours a week, will I have enough time to study?" You people should know all this BEFORE you even apply! But I digress..

After all of the questions, we walked around the law school building. Their big selling point was that it's one of the only "Green" buildings in the country - meaning it is environmentally friendly -- All environmental law students rejoice. Everyone seemed friendly enough though. The building was nice, a tad small I thought. Library was 3 floors, but narrow. I'm not sure of DU's total student attendance but they must not have that many students since their libraries were pretty small. Maybe it was just me.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on March 29, 2007, 01:00:11 AM
Oh yeah. One more thing. Everyone was big on DU's trial competitions. So I guess if you want to be a trial attorney this is the place to be. DU beats CU 9 times out of 10... or so they say.

Anyone have thoughts on DU for Corporate/Business Law? How is the job market in Denver for corp/biz law? M&A type work...
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on March 29, 2007, 12:30:54 PM
Well the spring break would explain it. In that case, next time I should expect more traffic and no parking?! :)

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on March 29, 2007, 08:29:05 PM
The law school is on a semester system while the rest of DU is on quarters.  That and Break (as mentioned) is probably why it was empty around the campus.  I don't notice it much because I spend most of my time on campus at the law school.

I don't know what you consider "not that many students" but our entering class is about 350 (85-90 x 4 give or take some).

If you're interested in corporate law, talk to Professor Taylor, Price, or Brown (SEC, founder of www.racetothebottom.org).  I think Taylor was at the ASD (well, at least I saw her talking to people with name tags in the forum).

Oh and about the weather...it snowed today!  We had beautiful 60-70 degree weather and now this?!  SO mad! :P

Anyway, I hope you enjoyed your visit.  It was certainly weird seeing you guys around. . .I mean, that was us last year! 8)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on March 30, 2007, 11:45:32 AM
Don't think I didn't see you guys giving us DIRTY LOOKS!! Probably hoping we trip on the stairs or something! jk :)

My UG had 30,000 attending students so I'm used to being anonymous on campus. In fact, I think I may have had 300 people in my physics 101 class! But, I welcome the new atmosphere but I better get used to people knowing my name.

It was seriously 70 on Monday... how the hell does it snow 3 days later??

Random Questions:

What is the music scene like in Denver? Indie, rock?? Anyone?
Do students have access to the ice hockey rink for skating/playing?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on March 30, 2007, 01:00:08 PM
Do students have access to the ice hockey rink for skating/playing?

This site will answer all your questions on the rec facilities

http://recreation.du.edu/
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Megan on April 26, 2007, 12:31:30 PM
I recently put in my deposit at DU and was wondering if anyone could give me pointers on where to look for apartments or studio apartments.  Thanks!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on April 26, 2007, 05:44:23 PM
Congratulations Megan, looks like I'll see you there in August.
As for apartments, I looked at DU's housing webpage and scoured Craigslist. From what I have been told, Washington Park and Congress park(?) are the closest areas to campus. I have also found some nice places in Englewood which are pretty cheap and only a few miles away from campus. I'm debating whether to live as close as possible, or save some money and live a bit farther away (like Englewood), and take the light rail everyday.

If anyone has an opinion on housing please let me know.

Kyle
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Megan on April 26, 2007, 06:25:24 PM
Thanks for the info.  I'll be sure to check the websites out until I can make it out there later in May or beginning of June.  Does anyone know how quickly apts fill up around campus, will looking in June be sufficient?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 03, 2007, 03:06:37 AM
Thanks for the info.  I'll be sure to check the websites out until I can make it out there later in May or beginning of June.  Does anyone know how quickly apts fill up around campus, will looking in June be sufficient?

Yea, you'll have plenty of options even if you wait.  I actually didn't find my apartment until late July.  Plus Colorado has a weird 30 day law so a lot of apt complexes can only estimate what they'll have available 30+ days in advance.  You'll definitely find a place to live.  It's just the shopping around part that sucks.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on May 03, 2007, 01:46:04 PM
I'm debating whether to live as close as possible, or save some money and live a bit farther away (like Englewood), and take the light rail everyday.
Also think about the money you will save on gas if you live closer. If you live close enough you might not even need a parking permit..?  Could someone shed some light on the areas directly next to campus.. are they noisy because of all the undergrad/partying?

I'll also be attending in the fall. I currently live out of state so apartment hunting is going to be challenging. My plan of attack is to go out there for a few days in July to find a place, come back here, pack up, then move out..

My hope is to find something in the Wash Park area -- I've received many recommendations on this area.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 03, 2007, 10:42:49 PM
I personally wouldn't live in any apts near campus but it's not because of the noise (it's not THAT bad. . .DU undergrad is the farthest thing from a party school. . .I actually think law students party harder than the undergrads) but because of the ameneties/conditions of the apts.  Also, I can't imagine all day at the school and only going across the street to go home.  A lot of my friends do live in the apts right near the law school and they don't seem to have a problem with it.  To be honest, I do get jealous of their ability to walk home for a quick lunch/break.  Or rolling out of bed 5 mins before class (esp for a 9am lecture).

Wash Park area is really nice.  It's close to campus and has a lot of cute little shops.  Rentals in Wash Park are hard to come by but if you keep checking Craigslist I'm sure you'll find something.

Oh, and light rail is free with a DU ID.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 08, 2007, 06:06:24 PM
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Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on May 08, 2007, 06:29:50 PM
I saw new apartments being built right next to campus. There was a big banner hanging with a website, but I don't recall the exact address..... something like DUapartmentliving.com or DUapartments.com (neither of those work). Anyone know the website?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 08, 2007, 09:31:48 PM
We got an email a while ago about this place.  Seems kinda like an off campus undergrad dorm to me. . .

http://www.universityloftsatdu.com/
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on May 09, 2007, 04:51:52 PM
Holy Christ!

"~ Studios from $1529.00 per month per bedroom"

Am I seeing that right?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on May 09, 2007, 04:56:29 PM
Those prices are outrageous.  I think they are targed toward the undergrads here who (generally speaking) come from "well off" families.  The campus is full of a lot of young pretty people with nice cars and lots of spending money.  Not so much for most of us grad students.

I live downtown for $900 a month in a pretty cool apartment.  So, ya, that is VERY exprensive.

EDIT:  My $900 apartment is considered EXTREMELY expensive....  Most students pay about $700 or less for rent.  Consider $500 a pretty good deal if you are getting your own place.  I decided to live downtown b/c I have been out of school for a handful of years and my non-law school friends live downtown.  It was a personal decision for me - but for most people $700 is about average for a 1bdrm. DONT pay $1529!!!! 


Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: InUtahForNow on May 09, 2007, 10:39:13 PM
Got an acceptance today from Villanova that makes me rethink DU. I am visiting next Friday, so trying to reserve judgment until then.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 10, 2007, 08:24:00 AM
Hey congrats on Villanova, that is awesome.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: InUtahForNow on May 10, 2007, 10:34:38 AM
Hey congrats on Villanova, that is awesome.

Thank you, I'm definitely hoping to fall in love with Denver or absolutely hate it. I know hating it isn't likely, but if I absolutely love it my decision will be a little easier. Any advice on places to go or things to do?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 10, 2007, 10:56:23 AM
I am currently on the waitlist at DU, hoping to start in the evening division this fall.  DU is my dream school, and I want more than anything to get in.  I have been in contact with admissions about every week to show continued interest through phone calls and letters.  I have been told that they are reviewing for a few spots in the evening division in the next week, so I really hope I get in!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 10, 2007, 11:40:03 AM
Hey good luck Shakedown. I am going to the Conditional Summer program at DU and I am nervous about it. But planning on working really hard to get in. Have you thought about visiting the school to further express your interest???
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: yourlocalsuperhero on May 10, 2007, 11:53:36 AM
Hey congrats on Villanova, that is awesome.

Thank you, I'm definitely hoping to fall in love with Denver or absolutely hate it. I know hating it isn't likely, but if I absolutely love it my decision will be a little easier. Any advice on places to go or things to do?

It's funny, we're on the same river.  I visited a few weeks ago, hoping I'd hate something ... But am totally twitterpated.

Wander around downtown, through the library, museum and 16th Street mall.  Find a DU student to show you around, if it's possible.  You may like the Cheery Creek (there is a trail along the creek) shopping district.  Of course, get familiar with the blocks surrounding the school.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 10, 2007, 12:02:42 PM
I am still concerned about the bar passage rates...makes me scared.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 10, 2007, 01:06:35 PM
Hey good luck Shakedown. I am going to the Conditional Summer program at DU and I am nervous about it. But planning on working really hard to get in. Have you thought about visiting the school to further express your interest???

Thanks, and yes I have a visit planned in about 2 weeks.  I wanted to visit sooner but with finals and graduation, it was difficult to find time.  I am hoping that the visit can make a difference, and that it is not too late.  Good luck with the summer program, and I hope to see you at DU this fall!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on May 10, 2007, 01:19:28 PM
I am still concerned about the bar passage rates...makes me scared.

I was scared about this at first, but I think about it this way: It's not that the school lacks in preparation and education, it is that the people who fail the bar simply do not study hard enough and do not prepare themselves. I am not worried at all about passing because I know that DU is a great school and if I can work my ass off hard enough to get through undergrad and get into DU, I have no doubt I will pass the bar.  Furthermore, a quick look at the size of DU's student body will show that the percentages are not too far off from other law schools.

HTH
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: InUtahForNow on May 11, 2007, 12:07:30 AM
I am still concerned about the bar passage rates...makes me scared.

People fail the bar not schools. This would be like getting upset at your undergrad for not preparing you for the LSAT.

I'm excited about Denver, actually really excited, but Villanova is more the region I want to practice in.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 11, 2007, 01:28:01 PM
hey everyone, just wanted to tell you all that today I got accepted off the waitlist at Denver!!!  I am soooo excited, looks like I will be seeing some of you next fall!  I will be starting in the evening division.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 11, 2007, 03:39:39 PM
Wow, that is so exciting. How long had you been on the waitlist??? Did they call you? Congrats!!!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 11, 2007, 04:11:45 PM
Wow, that is so exciting. How long had you been on the waitlist??? Did they call you? Congrats!!!

It is very exciting!  I was on the waitlist for about 1 month.  Yes they called me, and it was one of those moments you wish you could bottle so that you could experience it again!

Thanks for all the nice comments.  It seems like there is a good group headed to denver, and a good group already there!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 11, 2007, 06:51:57 PM
Wow, that is so exciting. How long had you been on the waitlist??? Did they call you? Congrats!!!

It is very exciting!  I was on the waitlist for about 1 month.  Yes they called me, and it was one of those moments you wish you could bottle so that you could experience it again!

Thanks for all the nice comments.  It seems like there is a good group headed to denver, and a good group already there!

Congrats!  That is so exciting!

I am still concerned about the bar passage rates...makes me scared.

People fail the bar not schools. This would be like getting upset at your undergrad for not preparing you for the LSAT.

I'm excited about Denver, actually really excited, but Villanova is more the region I want to practice in.

I agree with the comment about the bar.  Plus, the school is REALLY serious about raising the bar %.
I hope you have a nice visit to Denver.  Either way, congrats on having such a difficult decision!  :)

Ok I'm off to celebrate the end of 1L with my section!  It's a beautiful day in Denver! ;D
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: InUtahForNow on May 13, 2007, 12:05:11 PM
Should the commitment to the bar pass rate already been in place? That number seems crazy low to me comparing it to similarly ranked schools. Hopefully I don't fall in love with Denver because Villanova is definitely sounding more and more appealing.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 13, 2007, 01:03:13 PM
hey everyone, just wanted to tell you all that today I got accepted off the waitlist at Denver!!!  I am soooo excited, looks like I will be seeing some of you next fall!  I will be starting in the evening division.

Congrats! I am in the evening division if you have any Q's, though they changed it somewhat from when I started.

Thanks!  I actually do have a few questions. 

1.  Are most of the people in the evening division non-trad, or is it a mix of people?



2.  Is it possible to transfer to the day division after the first year? 



3.  Is it more difficult to get summer work from the evening division? 


4.  I read your posts regarding housing and was wondering if there are any areas to avoid for reasons such as safety, driving time, or undergrad invasion. 


I am visiting with my SO on the 24th, and we plan to look for housing and just check out the city.  We will be staying up in Estes Park.  Other than the housing info on the website, is there any other resource for apartments?  Or does the usual apartments.com, rent.com, and forrent.com cover it pretty well?


Thanks in advance for helping me out!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 13, 2007, 02:18:41 PM
Matthies,
Thanks for the great info, it is very helpful.  I will probably see you this fall!



Do students have access to the ice hockey rink for skating/playing?

Sweet another hockey player!  Where did you play?  I played basically my whole life through high school.  I checked out the rec website and it looks like they have pick-up hockey, so if I have time I will probably be doing that every once and a while.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: irvineizle on May 16, 2007, 10:52:24 AM
Sweet another hockey player!  Where did you play?  I played basically my whole life through high school.  I checked out the rec website and it looks like they have pick-up hockey, so if I have time I will probably be doing that every once and a while.

I played some roller hockey when I was a kid. Growing up in Southern California there weren't too many ice rinks to play on so we settled for roller. Now I've been playing ice for about 2 years, about once a week. I'm definitely still improving but I can't WAIT to get out there for pick up (and even better that it's FREE). It will be a good distraction from school.  :)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on May 16, 2007, 02:28:12 PM
After I visited DU I fell in love with their hockey rink. I played roller hockey for years when I was younger, but haven't been able to get out for a while with school and other things going on. I'm definitely signing up for the law school hockey team, if there is one.

On a side note, I'm heading out to Denver from June 4th to the 6th to look for housing. If anyone will be around the area at this time, hit me up and we can grab a drink.

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 17, 2007, 02:49:45 PM
hey I thought you would all find this funny.  There is a girl on LSN that loves to bash Denver.  As of now she is trying her third round at law school, currently on the waitlist for Cooley.  When I asked her what her problem with Denver was here was her response:

DenverTuesday May 15th 2007 9:37pm
What is that based on? Well...of course the firms have DU graduates in Denver....that's cause their grads can't get BIG TIME REAL jobs....Colorado is not what you'd call a wonderful legal market...and in fact, Colorado actually has an EXCESS of attorneys...

Believe me, I have plenty of reasons for my opinions of the school. I had lawyers who came out of that school. More than one of them, having lived in Colorado for 8 years. The types of attorneys that come out of that school are just, well...I won't even say on open postings. But I have my reasons and everyone is entitled to an opinion. As far as I'm concerned, you are much better off going to Michigan State. And if you're not going to go there, then would you please kindly withdraw your application so those people waiting on decisions can have a chance? I don't see why you would pass up MSU for DU. But I guess you have different standards and you didn't live in Colorado, so you wouldn't even know. DU is in a TERRIBLE neighborhood, in case you didn't bother visiting.

I mean, come on. You even said that MSU would be a great school. So why would you choose DU instead? Just because of higher rankings? Because if that's your only reason, then you need to learn some more about that school. Their bar passage rate is not even good for Colorado's bar.

Good luck to you. But having lived in Colorado and knowing a lot about the school and what kind of attorneys come out of it (loser idiots, in other words), you are much better off at MSU. If you're not going to MSU, then please withdraw your acceptance, so other people have a chance. That is only fair.
- deserveanothertry7


Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 17, 2007, 03:37:19 PM
I am not sure what her deal is. 

So I should avoid Aurora when looking for housing?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on May 17, 2007, 05:00:26 PM
Shakedownstreet- that LSN post is GREAT.  Sounds like someone had a mini temper-tantrum about not getting accepted.

As for living...I would also recommend staying away from Aurora.  It isnt the nicest neighborhood, and it really isnt close to DU either.  Like Matthies, I live downtown and love it - but the reason I love it is because my boyfriend lives nearby and a few of my non law school friends live downtown.  It is my "other" life. 

I would actually recommend you live closer to campus, such as Wash Park.  Most students live near the school (several of my classmates walked to class) so you might feel a bit alienated from everyone if you live downtown. The law school "get togethers" tend to be closer to campus, so living downtown can be an inconvenience at times.

I am officially a 2L!! Submitted my last final this AM. :D Woohoo!!!  Now, the wait for 2nd semester grades begins.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 17, 2007, 06:28:05 PM
Cesco and Matthies,

Thanks both of you for the great suggestions.  I will probably look for a place around the school so I can bike/walk to class, since it seems like a nice area.  Although, not according to deserveanothertry7 !!!!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 17, 2007, 06:34:40 PM
Yea I agree w/cesco and matthies.  Aurora isn't bad if you want something cheap and want the big box stores in your neighborhood.  You have to be pretty selective though and the closer to the Denver boarder the better.  I just don't think it's that convenient to school.  There's other neighborhoods in town that are nice. . .Wash Park, Capitol Hill, DTC, and Cherry Creek mall area.  Drive around in the different areas.  People can give you personal opinions but unless you ACTUALLY go there and look around you can't really make a good judgment.  You might actually like Aurora, who knows?

Congrats cesco on joining the 2L club!!  It's about time section 1 & 2 finish! ;D
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 17, 2007, 06:38:03 PM
Ok, just spoke with Wende. She gave me some details about the summer conditional program. Sounds like it is going to be very intense this year. I am actually very nervous at this point. I have to let them know if I want to do it by next weekend and it cost 600 bucks....nonrefundable if I don't pass. I am scared to death.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on May 17, 2007, 07:07:36 PM
Congrats cesco on joining the 2L club!!  It's about time section 1 & 2 finish! ;D

Ha- arnt you funny.  Our section had a take home Con Law exam that was due today at 5pm.  We essentially had the entire exam period to work on it.  I thought this seemed great before I started, it actually turned out to be VERY painful. Ill take a timed exam, or even a 24 hour take home any day - at least you can't dwell on it for days at a time.  You can't imagine how great it felt to get that thing out of my hands this morning.





Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 17, 2007, 09:01:24 PM
Yeah I am going to do it for sure. UNLESS I get into CU and I am still on the waitlist there. I have to give DU a decision really soon so I am going to talk to Boulder tomorrow and see if they can let me know in the next few days. So for the conditional program, she just sounded like it was really intense and I had to pass a ton of tests. And then for the first year of school (if I pass) I have to be in the Academic Acheivment program. I don't know, but it sounds like it will be pretty tough. I think she even mentioned that I would have to pass aptitude type tests. I am just nervous that I won't pass and I'll be crushed. I am grateful for the chance but it sounds like a lot harder than last year.... ???
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on May 17, 2007, 09:25:54 PM
SMO - I dont know anything about the conditional program, I had never heard of it before this board and from somanyquestions it sounds like it is fairly new and is still being developed/changed.

I can tell you that DU is very concerned with its bar passage rate, so I am guessing they are going to spend some time with you guys making sure you are capable/competent to pass the bar (and get through law school).

DU is not a school that intentionally fails out students.  Our academic attrition rate is extremely low, and the school provides a lot of support.  The "academic achievement program" is a program available to all students.  They create study groups, put you with mentors, work with you on exam writing, have a library of supplements, etc.  I would look at participation in AAP as a positive thing, not a negative thing. 

So, you will have to make a personal decision on participating in this conditional program, but $600 is really not too bad to "test the waters" with law school.   Plus, you will start the fall with a sense of confidence and comfort that other 1Ls won't have because you willl know what you are getting yourself into. 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 18, 2007, 03:22:34 AM
If it's anything like last year the $600 serves as a seat deposit.  It's nonrefundable if you don't pass because 1.) they want to make sure you take things seriously and 2.) they don't want to spend a ton of money on you guys for nothing.  As much as this is an investment for you, it's an investment for the school too.  As I said, last year they provided a place to stay (for free), occasional lunches w/speakers (for free), books (for free), plus the cost of administrators and professors that handle the program.  So trust me when I say this, $600 is not that much compared to what you're getting.  Plus, if you get in, it goes towards your seat deposit/tuition so you would of had to pay for it anyway.

It sounds like they are keeping the program about the same.  Yes, you have to pass a bunch of tests (it was 1 every Friday so 4 or 5 total) but it's NOT THAT HARD.  Trust me. . .we sweat it a LOT more than we needed to I think.  It's kinda like 1L, people put a lot of pressure for no good reason.  I don't know why, but it happens.  The stuff the test you on ranges from what's IRAC to how does the judicial system work.  So it's nothing you can't pass.  Plus, it's not like they grade you on a curve.  In fact, I can't even remember if we got a letter grade.  Don't sweat it.

The Academic Acehievement Program - AAP is mandatory but it's not like ANYONE in the law school will ever be able to distinguish you from it because AAP is open to ALL 1Ls.  I actually think it is REALLY beneficial to have a 2L to ask questions about law school, the professor you have, etc etc.  Even if AAP wasn't required, I probably would have done it anyway.

Bottom line is . . .don't look at the conditional program as such a negative thing.  As much as this seems to suck right now, look at it as a blessing.  There's people who have MUCH better scores than you that did not get in and/or who are waitlisted.  A guy in my section was admitted the Monday of orientation and I know for a fact that his scores were MUCH better than mine.  Plus the program at DU is not designed to be sink or swim nor is it a chance for them to weed people out.  Think of it more as one of those commercial law school prep courses.  You get to meet a group of people who are in the same position as you who you'll be very close with by orientation.  Your anxiety is understandable.  I was on this board last summer with the same concerns as you.  Relax, enjoy the summer, and get the most out of the program.  You'll get the opportunity to meet adiministraors, professors, and local attorneys before any 1Ls even think about showing up for classes.

SMO - I hope CU takes you off the waitlist but if they don't. . .enjoy your summer.  Your soon to be summer TA and your professor ("again". . .you'll see what I mean by this) are both amazing people/mentors/friends!  They opened the door for you, you just have to let yourself in.  Good luck!

Cesco - My section had a 24 hr con law, 24 or 8 hr crim (depending on the professor), and 8 hr property. . .it was hellish, but we were done last Thursday.  I have a few friends in your section and I know they were ready to kill themselves with the 2 week con law final.  Plus you guys had Marsh who I hear is love or hate.  Congrats again on finishing 1L!!  Good luck with the grades. . .half my section already got LP grades so hopefully this means we don't have to wait as long as last semester for grades.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: yourlocalsuperhero on May 18, 2007, 09:32:44 AM
Dear smart DU students,

What goes on during orientation?

Thanks,
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 18, 2007, 04:38:34 PM
Hey thanks for all the advice everyone. Somanyquestions, I am especially thankful to you for all your advice regarding the program. I am really excited but very nervous at the same time. I have no problem being tested on things I can really study, but things that are similar to the LSAT just make me nervous. So I guess my biggest fear is just failing those kind of tests. I am so grateful for the chance to prepare myself for law school and I think this program can really do that for me. I am just going to work my butt off and be so intense the whole time. 

What did you mean about the IRAC tests? And tests about the judicial system? Are these just general tests or do you study it and you know what the tets will cover??

I actually think the AAP thing would be really good for me. Especially after hearing what you all think of it, I would be happy to be in that group just to make sure I was doing well at all times.

And you are right, I should look at it as a blessing!! And I totally am! I had a really hard year and I didn't think I would even get to go to law school. My grandmother died a slow and painful death from cancer this year and it really had a huge effect on a lot of my school and LSAT stuff. I'll never forget one of the last conversations I had with her, I told her I'd make it to law school and I'd work hard for her. She was a very strong woman and really had a huge hand in raising me. Ok, better stop before I get to crying.

Anyway, I really hope to join DU and I am so ready to work hard and make it happen. I'm going to work like crazy to get through the summer program and joing you all at DU. Then I will worry about paying tuition... :-\
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on May 18, 2007, 05:06:56 PM

The Academic Acehievement Program - AAP is mandatory but it's not like ANYONE in the law school will ever be able to distinguish you from it because AAP is open to ALL 1Ls.  I actually think it is REALLY beneficial to have a 2L to ask questions about law school, the professor you have, etc etc.  Even if AAP wasn't required, I probably would have done it anyway.

Just to reiterate myself and reinforce somanyquestions... 
EVen though I did not go through the conditional program, I used AAP resources a lot and found the program to be a huge help..  I honestly had no idea that AAP was required for anyone, and I highly recommend all 1Ls use the program.  I actually have 2 friends that are going to be AAP tutors next year - they are both very smart and one of them got the top grade in the subject he is tutoring. As for study groups - I didnt use AAP to form a group, but I did have a study group of 4 other students.  I would highly recommend developing a study group within a month or so after the start of school. It was great to have people to share notes and outlines with, and to do some hypos with before exams.

And, I agree there is no stigma from the conditional program because no one has ever even heard of it.  I would have no idea it exists if it werent for this board.

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: cesco on May 18, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
Dear smart DU students,

What goes on during orientation?

Thanks,
 

Orientation... seems SO long ago.  We listened to several speakers - such as the head of parking operations, head of SBA, etc.  We got a tour of the school, got our student IDs, etc.  Basically, it was a lot of logistics.  Last year they did an optional day (a workshop) where you could sign up to learn how to brief, what an outline is, etc. It was pretty helpful. 

All and all, orientation is pretty boring, but it is nice to have a couple of "meet and greet" days before you are thrown into classes.  Dress code: DONT wear a suit.  Most people wore either jeans or business casual.  THere were a few people that wore suits - but they looked really out of place. 

Also - parking permits went on sale a few days ago.  If you want to park in the garage I'd go ahead and buy your pass.  They are first come first serve, but last year they did still have spots available during orientation.  The pass gets added to your tuition bill - you dont actually need a credit card or cash to buy it. 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 18, 2007, 10:33:51 PM
SMO - They test you on the things they teach you.  Some stuff is so easy you'll think they're joking, others are more on the line of law school exams (fact pattern, etc).  There's NOTHING like the LSAT on the exams they give you (nobody will ask you to put different color lightbulbs in certain orders).  EVERYTHING tested are from books or lectures they provide and they will explain EVERYTHING to you.  The ONLY multiple choice test we had was a grammar diagnostics that we took (most of us failed miserably) but then we saw the test again once law school started because its required for all 1Ls.  Essentially we just got to see it before everyone else and had the "privilege" of retaking it (sense the sarcasm?).  After the computer diagonistics, you take a MUCH easier paper one that you have to pass to get your LP grade. . .but you don't have to worry about that until after you start law school.  DO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT NOW!!!  Oh, and I would suggest working hard but not being so intense that you become "that person" (i.e. gunner -  we had 1). . .just work hard and make friends while you're there.  If I were you this is what I would do right now. . .CHILL, RELAX, DO SOMETHING FUN, DO NOT WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING, DO NOTHING.  There's NOTHING you can do at this point. . .you will get ALL the information for the program, tests, papers, etc once it starts.  Nothing you do now will help you so just have fun til it starts!! 

Hope everyone's enjoying the BEAUTIFUL weather!!  8)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 18, 2007, 10:36:03 PM
Hey thanks for all the advice everyone. Somanyquestions, I am especially thankful to you for all your advice regarding the program. I am really excited but very nervous at the same time. I have no problem being tested on things I can really study, but things that are similar to the LSAT just make me nervous. So I guess my biggest fear is just failing those kind of tests. I am so grateful for the chance to prepare myself for law school and I think this program can really do that for me. I am just going to work my butt off and be so intense the whole time. 

What did you mean about the IRAC tests? And tests about the judicial system? Are these just general tests or do you study it and you know what the tets will cover??

I actually think the AAP thing would be really good for me. Especially after hearing what you all think of it, I would be happy to be in that group just to make sure I was doing well at all times.

And you are right, I should look at it as a blessing!! And I totally am! I had a really hard year and I didn't think I would even get to go to law school. My grandmother died a slow and painful death from cancer this year and it really had a huge effect on a lot of my school and LSAT stuff. I'll never forget one of the last conversations I had with her, I told her I'd make it to law school and I'd work hard for her. She was a very strong woman and really had a huge hand in raising me. Ok, better stop before I get to crying.

Anyway, I really hope to join DU and I am so ready to work hard and make it happen. I'm going to work like crazy to get through the summer program and joing you all at DU. Then I will worry about paying tuition... :-\

SMO,

IRAC is an analytical way of answering law school exam questions. A lot of people use it first year to answer exam questions in an organized way. It stands for: Issue, Rule, Analysis, Conclusion. For example on a Criminal law exam an answer set up in IRAC might look something like this:

Can A be charged with the Murder of B? (Issue) Murder is the killing of a human being by another human being with malice aforethought. (Rule) A told C the day before that he was going to kill B for stealing his car. A also went to the store and bought hollow point bullets, he then drove to B’s work, but B was not there. So he drove to B’s house and waited in the parking lot for three hours for B to come home. When B came home A jumped out of the bushes and shot him six times in the back. (Analysis, based on the hypo you were given for the exam). A’s action in threatening B the day before, preparing for the crime by buying the bullets and traveling to B’s work, along with laying in wait for him and firing into B’s back shows the kind of premeditation, malice and aforethought that would allow a prosecutor to charge A with murder. However, A might have an excuse that could mitigate the crime to manslaughter. As well any defenses must be considered. (Conclusion).

Its likely in the pre program they will teach you IRAC and want you to apply it to some hypos they give you. I would recommend getting a book, ASAP, called 1000 Days to the Bar by Dean Dennis Tonsing. It was recommended to me by the guy who ran AAP when I first started. I thought it was a great “how to” book for law school, written for students like me, not Yale types. Of course if you do everything he suggests you will be at the top of your class, but you also won’t have any life outside of school. I took parts of it and used them, and other parts I did not. But either way it was very helpful, best pre-law book out there in my view.


Where were you when I was taking my crim law final?  Ha!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: skier4life on May 19, 2007, 11:11:41 AM
You Denver Law Students are pretty incredible.  Your wealth of information for prospective students makes me feel as if I am making a mistake about going to CU.  Maybe it is just this board but there is a lot of information about your school and almost nothing about CU. 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 19, 2007, 11:45:22 AM
I agree. The DU students are AWESOME!! SOOOOOO HELPFUL!!!

Matthies, that IRAC stuff sounds really interesting. I think that is a good way to go about solving a problem like that. Makes sense to me.

Thanks so much somanyquestions. I am so grateful for all the help you give me in every one of your posts. I am ready to do this program and I am so much more relaxed knowing that I won't be faced with LSAT type questions. That is awesome. So basically, the only test that won't be covered in class will be the grammer test. I can handle that. Just as long as I can study and learn the materials, I am confident in myself. Those LSAT crap questions are so frustrating.

OK...thanks again! GO DU!!!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: InUtahForNow on May 19, 2007, 05:15:19 PM
Although everyone on here has been incredibly nice and helpful with information on Denver, I sent an e-mail to Wende withdrawing. I expect an e-mail back Monday, but barring an offer of a lot of money it looks like I'll be in Villanova this fall.

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on May 20, 2007, 09:26:52 AM
Well congrats on making a decision. Did you get money from Villanova??
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 20, 2007, 03:51:33 PM
Although everyone on here has been incredibly nice and helpful with information on Denver, I sent an e-mail to Wende withdrawing. I expect an e-mail back Monday, but barring an offer of a lot of money it looks like I'll be in Villanova this fall.



Congrats on making your decision.  Good luck @ Villanova!  :)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: InUtahForNow on May 20, 2007, 07:51:39 PM
Thanks to both of you. No money at Villanova or DU, so that was a wash. Overall I just want to practice on the East Coast and I don't feel DU gives me a great shot at that.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on May 21, 2007, 10:11:18 AM
Hey everyone, I'll be going to DU this fall. Thanks for all the info, I've only ever been to Denver on an 8 hour stopover so I pretty much no nothing of the city. Seems like my best bet on a place to live would be Wash Park from what you're all saying. BTW Is it uncommon for people in law school to have roommates? Sounds like you all lived alone.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on May 21, 2007, 02:01:03 PM
Hey everyone, I'll be going to DU this fall. Thanks for all the info, I've only ever been to Denver on an 8 hour stopover so I pretty much no nothing of the city. Seems like my best bet on a place to live would be Wash Park from what you're all saying. BTW Is it uncommon for people in law school to have roommates? Sounds like you all lived alone.

I would say it is about 50/50.  There were a lot of people in my section who had roomates or are going to be roomates next year.  Some people had roomates for obvious reasons (married, dating) others just wanted to save some money/meet people.  It all depends on what you want and what you are willing to put up with.  I chose to live alone because I took a year off between undergrad and law schol, liked my freedom, and didn't want to manage law school stress and a roomate.  Having a roomate has its perks too. . .for one thing, you can get a bigger place for less $.

Wash Park is a nice area but as you will find out, a place is hard to find in that area and/or expensive to do alone.  Look around to different areas . . . around campus, Wash Park, Capitol Hill, Downtown, DTC, Aurora, Cherry Creek area, Englewood. . .you just never know what you might like.
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Post by: SMO on May 21, 2007, 04:29:21 PM
Ok I have some more questions. Does the AAP program cost anything to join? Just scanning over the Summer Institute letter and getting ready to sign. I think the program would be good for me next year, but also wondering if it costs anything?

Also, I was wondering what all of you DU students want to do after you graduate? What kind of law do you want to do? Any idea on how much a typical starting salary for a DU grad will be???
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Post by: SMO on May 21, 2007, 05:02:04 PM
Also, what type of laptops do you all have? what do you recommend buying?
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Post by: cesco on May 21, 2007, 05:42:35 PM
Hi all -

SMO and skier4life - thanks for the nice words.

Burn - Congrats on your decision to go to DU. I dont think you'd have a problem with a roommate.  I'd agree with somanyquestions that about 1/2 the students have roommates.  That is a huge guess on my part, but I think it is probably accurate.  As I am sure you know, the DU building is brand new, so it has some really great study areas, including a beautiful library.  I didnt have a roommate and still did most of my studying on campus. 

SMO - AAP doesnt cost anything.  You pay enough in tuition - they better provide some services ;). 

As for a laptop - most students end up buying the recommended Dell.  I wanted a small computer so I got the Dell XPS (12").  I know a lot of people on this board don't like Dell - but I have had nothing but good luck with this computer.  The school supports Apple - so if that is your preference you wont have any problems.  I would highly recommend you buy a 3 year warranty that covers drops, spills, etc.  You will be pretty harsh on your computer and it is nice knowing that they will replace it.  Also, DU has a loaner laptop program - so if your computer does crash they can loan you a laptop for a week or so while you get it taken care of.

As to the question of what I want to do:  Personally, I'd like to go to a medium to large firm.  I dont have a specialty area that I extremely interested in so I'd rather get my feet wet with more generalized work. I'd also like the bigger paycheck that the bigger firms give out.  We'll see though - I really just want to find a firm that is a good fit for me. 

The salary range at DU is pretty large.  My understanding is that the big firms in Denver pay about $120,000, and public interest jobs can go for as low as $45,000.  In fact, at our orientation I remember a speaker saying that last year's graduating class had salaries ranging from $35,000 - $135,000.  You will be surprised at how many students here are after the dream job rather than the dream salary. I honestly dont know exactly what small firms or even medium firms pay.  A perk of Denver is that the cost of living is much lower than the East or West coast. 

EDIT: I was just flipping through an old career services guide, and the average private salary for the 2005 graduating class was $85,000.  The average public sector job was $45,000.  The data is a little old, but it is something.
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Post by: SMO on May 22, 2007, 06:56:56 PM
Well I am planning on buying a new laptop if I am accepted after the summer program, but I just wasn't sure which one is mostly used by students. I have a Mac, but I hate it and it seems to always be a hassle for me. I will probably go with the Dell.

Sounds like the salary ranges are pretty good. I also wonder what the average amount of debt is for each graduate? Probably a lot!!!!

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Post by: SMO on May 23, 2007, 12:04:38 PM
Where did you all go? Matthies...somanychanges???
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Post by: cesco on May 23, 2007, 12:52:52 PM
Hi all -

I will be leaving the country in the next couple of days and won't be checking LSD for most of the summer.  I wanted to wish everyone good luck and a great summer.  See you all in the fall!

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Post by: SMO on May 23, 2007, 03:21:24 PM
Well have a great summer!!! Where are you going??
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Post by: somanyquestions on May 23, 2007, 03:41:00 PM
Have a fabulous trip, Cesco!!  I'm leaving the country too. . .but it's not for another month.  I'm jealous that you're getting an early start while I slave away at my internship.  Safe travels!  Have fun!   8)
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Post by: SMO on May 24, 2007, 05:07:08 PM
Can you guys give me so advice on financial aid and how you are paying for your degree?? Did any of you get scholarships? I'm worried that by the time I am done with the summer program, there will be no money left to help any of us out.
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Post by: somanyquestions on May 24, 2007, 09:21:46 PM
Last year they were very accommodating.  Make sure you have your FAFSA filled out.  Julie Spradley (the Fin Aid person) & the rest of the administration (registrar, etc) were aware of our situation.  Last year there wasn't a delay (in fin aid, registration, setting up email, etc) because of Summer Institute.  We got our aid & refund (if any) at the same time as everybody else.  If there was a delay in the loan coming through, we just let them know & it was taken care of.  They chose 4 summer institute people for scholarships last year (it was small like 2 grand but it still helps).  I'm speaking in past tense here because that's how it was for us, I assume it will be the same this year.

As for paying for school, I get loans through school/fed govt (stafford, perkins) and through a private lender.  I HIGHLY doubt the money will be gone.  About 2 or 3 weeks into SI, I visited fin aid, got my computer up to date, etc.

Are they requiring you to stay at the dorms this year?  We all thought that it should be required. . .the people who opted to commute from family/friends/etc felt a bit left out last year.  If you have any other questions you need to ask Wende and she will tell you how to proceed.
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Post by: SMO on May 25, 2007, 09:10:18 AM
Thanks for your advice. I appreciate it. I did talk with Wende, I just wanted to see what all of you at DU are doing for financial aid. I am just a little nervous about only having loans and coming out with $150,000 in debt.
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Post by: Cube Farmer on May 25, 2007, 02:07:52 PM
Hi Ya'll....I am so freaking appy right now. I was just admitted off of the waitlist for DU's evening division. Now I don't have to move, don't have to quit my job (entirely) and I get to start this fall......
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Post by: SMO on May 25, 2007, 02:15:39 PM
Hey that is awesome Cube Farmer! Congrats!!
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Post by: Cube Farmer on May 25, 2007, 02:58:43 PM
Hey that is awesome Cube Farmer! Congrats!!

Thanks. I am so happy.
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Post by: ShakedownStreet on May 30, 2007, 10:34:53 PM
Hey DU folks!  I just got back from Colorado where I was able to spend 2 days in Denver checking out the school and the city.  I loved the school, and I am very excited to start this fall!  My SO and I are looking at some apartments south of the city where I could ride the light rail to class.  All of the advice you all have given has been great, and it helped a lot!  See you this fall!!!
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Post by: somanyquestions on May 31, 2007, 06:29:35 AM
Cube Farmer & ShakedownStreet. . .Congrats on making your decision & WELCOME to DU!!   8)

Good luck finding a place to live & enjoy the rest of the summer!  See ya'll in the fall!
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Post by: Cube Farmer on May 31, 2007, 01:39:32 PM
Cube Farmer & ShakedownStreet. . .Congrats on making your decision & WELCOME to DU!!   8)

Good luck finding a place to live & enjoy the rest of the summer!  See ya'll in the fall!

The beauty of it is that I do not have to move, nor quit my job. I am excited to finally get started.
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Post by: burn on June 07, 2007, 10:40:42 AM
To the future 1Ls, I'm sure you've all paid but just a reminder that our seat deposits for this fall are due tomorrow.
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Post by: SMO on June 07, 2007, 11:17:50 AM
Are any of you on scholarships at DU? Or are mostly using loans to pay for tuition?
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 07, 2007, 03:26:58 PM
Are any of you on scholarships at DU? Or are mostly using loans to pay for tuition?

Looks like I will be taking loans for the first year...eeek....Maybe I can get something for the second year.
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Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 07, 2007, 03:40:16 PM
loans for me as well :o
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Post by: Camaro_Kyle on June 07, 2007, 08:35:24 PM
Just got back from Denver and it looks beautiful! Everything is green and the people are awesome. The whole point of the trip was to find housing, and this was done very easily within the first day. Although I'm living about 15 min/5 miles away, the place I am living at is really quiet and I think will be pretty awesome. In fact, every place I looked at was really nice; much better than the shi*holes I am used to in LA.
Anyways, just wanted to let people know that beginning July 15th I will be a Colorado resident and would gladly buy the first round for my fellow DU 1L's.

Lates
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Post by: burn on June 08, 2007, 08:31:20 AM
yeah i'll also be getting loans. i guess according to the financial aid schedule they sent me there's still a chance i could get something from the school but i doubt it

kyle: i'll take you up on that beer!
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Post by: Camaro_Kyle on June 09, 2007, 01:33:26 AM
I'm living a little northwest of the school on Florida ave. Mapquest says 5 miles to campus but its about 15 min driving time. It was suprising how cheap good apartments were compared to LA. I think I got into a really nice place.
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Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 10, 2007, 09:38:06 PM

I have a few questions:

1.  Does anyone have any experience with the summer prep course for entering 1Ls?
    (ie. is it worth the money/time?)

2.  I was told that law students get a free light rail pass, when does the school distribute these?

I am planning to secure an apartment next week while visiting, and I hope to be moved in by mid-July.  If possible I would like to get the light rail pass before classes start.
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Post by: SMO on June 11, 2007, 01:22:02 PM
I'm getting nervous, the Summer Institute starts up soon....
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Post by: SMO on June 11, 2007, 03:35:01 PM
Summer classes? Wow, so you will graduate early then I assume?
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Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 11, 2007, 06:01:14 PM
Hey Matthies,

So what is your schedule like taking a class and working during the summer?  I think I am going to try and take summer classes and transfer the to the full-time program for 2L.  I would like to graduate in 3 years if possible, and the people I spoke with in admissions said it was possible. 

If you do not mind me asking, what kind of internship do you have this summer?

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Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 11, 2007, 09:55:46 PM
Wow...that does sound like a once in a lifetime case.  Congrats on getting yourself in on that!!  I am sure that you are getting some amazing experience.

Good to know about the part-time, seems like after 1L there is really not that much of a difference between the 2 divisions. 

Thanks for the info, and good luck with the case you are working on.
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 11, 2007, 10:16:23 PM
Wow...that does sound like a once in a lifetime case.  Congrats on getting yourself in on that!!  I am sure that you are getting some amazing experience.

Good to know about the part-time, seems like after 1L there is really not that much of a difference between the 2 divisions. 

Thanks for the info, and good luck with the case you are working on.

There really isn't except registration.  This year day division got first dibs on day classes and night division got first dibs on night classes.  How I ended up with mostly evening classes a mystery.

You can switch divisions very easily.  All you have to do is go to the Dean's suite and submit a 1pg paperwork on why you want to switch.

For the day division, you can register up to 18 credits per semester. . .not sure what it is for evening. . .I assume it's about the same.  I hear it's pretty common for people to come in part time and graduate in 3 years.

Oh and the lightrail is free for DU students with the RTD sticker.  I love that I can park and ride to my internship dowtown for free. . .no traffic, no $ on parking, and no hassle!  If you're in town, go by the ID office in Driscoll and get your ID and get your RTD sticker.  They might ask for your driver's license &/or SSN.  That reminds me the RTD sticker expires tomorrow. . .I need to go get a new one.

I'm getting nervous, the Summer Institute starts up soon....

When do you start?  I'm so excited for you!  It's subks but it's a lot of fun too. . .mostly because of the people you bond with.  "Again" will become your favorite word.  LOL
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Post by: SMO on June 12, 2007, 09:10:37 AM
Well I start the 25th, so less than 2 weeks. I am getting nervous but really excited and ready to be doing something!! The syllabus mentioned that there is a final on July 23, the last day....A final? That scared me when I read over it again. Did you take a lot of finals when you did it? Did you find yourself just completely consumed with the class, studying all hours of the day and super stressed out? As the day nears, I am becoming more frantic as I think about how my future depends on this class....
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 12, 2007, 12:31:10 PM
The transportation office (where you get the RTD sticker) is no longer in Driscoll.  The office moved to an obscure location on High Street. . .by the parking structure.  I went by there today and they were closed. :'(

SMO - Seriously, don't sweat it.  I wouldn't tell you that if I didn't mean it.  We had a "final" every week. . .and then a final final the last Friday of class.  After finals, they had a farewell lunch.  We were all so exhausted it was kind of funny.  If it's anything like last year, do your best & you'll be fine.  We really put more pressure on ourselves than was necessary I think, which is probably what's going to happen for you guys.  You are 99% accepted. . .it's your job to allow yourself to walk in the door.  We all thought we were going through hell when we were there but most of us are happy that we had the opportunity.  Don't neglect the other SI people, get to know them. . .they will become your closest friends & advocates once school starts. 8)
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 12, 2007, 12:35:57 PM
SMO - Another thing. . . think of it as a blessing that you guys get almost a month off between SI & classes.  We had two weeks between SI "finals" & class so it was like we never even got a break.  We told them they needed to start earlier and I'm glad they listened to us.  The nice thing is you can celebrate being "fully" accepted for a while before you need to pack up for school.  If it's anything like last year, they should let you in less than a week after your finals.
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Post by: SMO on June 12, 2007, 03:23:06 PM
Thanks for all your advice. You make me feel a lot more relaxed about it, but at the same time I know I have to be on top of my game and can't slip up. I'm actually glad I am doing it, because I think I am one of those who did need to be a little more prepared before starting in August. I want to know the best way to study, take notes and understand some basic legal terminology. I think I will benefit from it. I know you tell me to relax and not be so stressed, but you also talk about how you guys were all exhausted after the class and studied super hard for the tests. I guess I won't know until I get into the class and see what it is going to take. It will be a unique experience and I am grateful for it. But so nervous about it too. I'm glad I can get some advice from you though. I can't imagine how nervous I'd be going into this without talking to someone who has done it!! THANK YOU!
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Post by: nfire1 on June 13, 2007, 02:14:34 PM
Hello everybody!  I too will be starting this fall at DU!  Just rented an apartment right next to campus so I'll be walking/biking in every day.

Yall make sure to let me know about the beer when the meetup takes place!

See you all in the fall!

-Nick
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 13, 2007, 02:42:16 PM
So I was just thinking: what is the schedule like first year, for the evening division. Is it M-T from 6-10? I am just trying to plan my time out and see if I can realistically keep my "8-5" I make a pretty decent living right now, and am not sure I am ready to completely chop that off.
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Post by: Camaro_Kyle on June 13, 2007, 07:33:44 PM
Hello everybody!  I too will be starting this fall at DU!  Just rented an apartment right next to campus so I'll be walking/biking in every day.

Yall make sure to let me know about the beer when the meetup takes place!

See you all in the fall!

-Nick

Damn Nick, right next to campus - that's awesome! Yeah, I'm moving in on July 14th, and soon after that it would be cool to meet up with some of the DU LSD'ers and grab a beer.

Lates
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Post by: Ellis on June 13, 2007, 09:20:28 PM
Okay SMO,

I am here to motivate you.  Maybe we are each others blessing.  I too have been conditionally admitted.  I have spoken with Wende as well, and she has informed me that all but 1 student passed the summer last year, and that one had personal problems that contributed.  He left, not failed.  There are only pass/fail, no letter grades.  Furthermore, she stated that the 18 of 19 who went on to be admitted for the fall last year, ended up doing excellent, but the one who struggled did not take things seriously, but he/she is still there.  I have not even considered this as conditional or optional.  I have taken the attitude that I am going to law school at DU.  I was also accepted to Florida Coastal, but I am passing that up because DU is my first choice, and I know I am going!!  I look at it like this:  if I can't make it pass the summer for $600, then I definitely don't want to waste thousands trying to make it for 3 years.  We will be fine.  You have a study partner already--ME!  Housing is not free though, we have to pay $25/day.
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Post by: Ellis on June 13, 2007, 09:26:09 PM
SMO,
Buy the laptop already, don't ask to use mine over the summer.LOL  You are going to DU in the fall, I won't have it any other way.  I bought mine already.
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Post by: Ellis on June 13, 2007, 09:35:09 PM
I can't wait to get there and start the summer institute.  I would leave tomorrow if I could. I am so amped.  SMO, where are you currently?  How are you getting to Denver?  When are you going?  Kyle, I will also take you up on that drink offer.  When I get my official acceptance letter after the summer institute, I will buy the second round.
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Post by: SMO on June 13, 2007, 09:49:05 PM
Wow Ellis, you are awesome. Thanks for the motivation! I am pumped to know someone is doing this with the same attitude that I have. I too am just looking at it like I am already admitted, but then at times I get freaked out. I'm so glad you talked to Wende about the chances of acceptance when it is done. That sounds great! I feel like the program is more of a prep class, not a class to filter out the losers. But who knows. I am glad you are going though. I am actually already in Denver. So I won't need to live on campus. You bought a laptop for this summer? That is crazy. I just have my stupid old Apple I suppose I could use. But didn't think about really buying a computer already. So yeah, we can study together though! I'm so glad you talked to Wende about it though. It is sooo good to know that there is basically a gurantee of getting through!! YAHOO!!
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Post by: s9120aa on June 13, 2007, 09:51:43 PM
I'll be heading down for the summer program as well!
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Post by: Ellis on June 13, 2007, 09:53:22 PM
Thanks.  I look forward to meeting you all.

SMO, I got freaked out once, when dealing with financial aid people, they told me to go ahead with the fafsa, and my private loans, but nothing could happen until I was "officially admitted."  That was my only freak out moment.  I thought to myself "OMG, I am not in yet," but I am so over that already.  I'm in!!
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Post by: Ellis on June 13, 2007, 09:58:31 PM
When do you guys think that it is too early to come down?  I am in NC right now with plans of coming next weekend, but I am so ready to go.
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Post by: SMO on June 13, 2007, 10:07:04 PM
So you already have your loans set up? Wow, I guess I am behind. I just did my FAFSA and that is all. DId Wende mention anything to you about scholarships or any help from the school?
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Post by: Ellis on June 14, 2007, 07:03:04 AM
Yes, my loans are already set up.  The loan officer is just waiting on school cerification.  I just went through the same bank as my graduate loans.  I haven't heard anything about school help.  I just assumed that because I was going through the summer program, that I wouldn't be eligible.  But from the other postings, I guess some people still get offered money at the end of the program. 

Does anyone know what kinds of school supplies and/or accessories will be needed?  Is it pretty much the same as undergrad or grad school? 
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 14, 2007, 10:11:06 AM
I just received a pamphlet in the mail from DU offering a weekend or a full week, summer prep program....sounds interesting, I might do it. Cost is $300 though. Anyone else done this?
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 14, 2007, 10:52:23 AM
Ellis - You have the right attitude.  Really, you do.  As I've been saying all along. . .ya'll are 99% in, basically you just need to go through and finish SI.  They picked you out of a big pool of people.  If you want the exact numbers, ask Wende she should give you some idea.  Basically they took possible rejections & read, re-read essays and the ADCOMMs decided on you.  They want you to get in.  This is not sink or swim, it's more like here's the life jacket please help us help you.

The guy who didn't come back didn't exactly fail.  As far as I know, all of us passed.  He decided not to attend law school because of personal reasons.  I don't want to get into detail but his mother had a medical emergency in the middle of the program & I think he ultimately decided not to come back.

On financial aid. . .you need to fill out FAFSA if you haven't already.  As far as the loan, there will be money available to you even if you wait til you are fully accepted.  BUT. . .most of us went & talked to Julie during the program.  You can fill out everything you need but the funds will not be available until you are fully accepted (obviously).  But there should be no delay in getting your tuition paid/refund for living expenses.

Computers/supplies/books. . .You can buy your laptop but most of us (who bought a new one) bought one towards the end of the program.  You don't necessarily need to get the computer DU recommends so shop around & go talk to the tech guys to get your computer set up.  There's really no other school supplies necessary. . .maybe just some pen & paper if you want.  Books/commercial outlines, etc. . .get those after you find out your schedule. . .I recommend Amazon/SBA bookstore.  We ended up getting 2 free books from SI last year & one was required for my LP class.

They're charging you to live in the dorms this year?!  Wow, that sucks.  Guess it is kinda nice to be the experimental group sometimes.  I guess it's better than paying for a hotel (which I was going to do last year until they told us it was free).  There's a lot of benefits to living in the dorms with SI people.  You get A LOT closer & really bond with the people than those who opt to commute from home.

Good luck with the program & let me know if you have any questions.  Oh, & start loving the word "AGAIN". . .cracks me up every time.  ;D
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 14, 2007, 10:54:25 AM
I just received a pamphlet in the mail from DU offering a weekend or a full week, summer prep program....sounds interesting, I might do it. Cost is $300 though. Anyone else done this?

Honestly, I wouldn't do it.  They'll repeat this information at AAP.  I don't know why they're charging for this this year.  Last year, they were free during orientation.  Sign up for AAP small group (at the beginning of the year) & you'll get all the info for free.
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Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on June 14, 2007, 12:29:45 PM
I also got the phamplet from u of denver....don't think I am going to do it..
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Post by: Ellis on June 14, 2007, 12:44:54 PM
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the one student failed, I knew he had family emergencies, I think I referred to one who actually was accepted, and didn't do well the first year.  He didn't fail or anything, he just isn't doing as well as the other SI students from last year.

 Anyway, thanks for all the comments.  This really is a great forum.
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 14, 2007, 02:15:38 PM
I donít very often disagree with Somanyquestions, but I really liked summer prep (however it was free then). I met some of my best friends ands study partners there. It was nice to have friends already made by the time classes started. However, she is right in that AAP teaches everything you need to know once classes start.   

I agree. . .I think the summer prep program & orientation is really important.  The information is good but more important is meeting people.  Most of the people I hang out/study with are those that I met at SI, orientation, or sat next to me in class.  I liked the summer prep program too. . .it just sucks they are charging for it this year.  If you want to meet people & think it'll help you going in, do it. . .I just wouldn't pay $300 for it is all.
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 14, 2007, 02:20:12 PM
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the one student failed, I knew he had family emergencies, I think I referred to one who actually was accepted, and didn't do well the first year.  He didn't fail or anything, he just isn't doing as well as the other SI students from last year.

 Anyway, thanks for all the comments.  This really is a great forum.

Nobody's failed out yet. . .I know a couple people (SI & regular accept) that are borderline/AP.

One more thing before I quit rambling for the day.  NOBODY besides the people in SI (& maybe a few admin) will EVER know that you were in SI nor will they care.  Once school starts your LSAT, GPA, and how you were admitted become meaningless.

Ok now go out & enjoy your freedom while you've got it. . .some of us are stuck in an office all day.  :-(
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 14, 2007, 03:18:53 PM
Thanks for the info. I do not think I am going to do it, but the AAP program sounds like a great idea. I am such an extrovert, I'll talk to people when I start. Plus, I will not have much of a personal life working full-time and going to school in the evening (and then studying all weekend), so I might as well realx now.
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Post by: Ellis on June 15, 2007, 08:45:40 AM
I spoke with Wende yesterday and she says that as of right now we can come on Sunday, but she is still working on Saturday.  My flight is already booked for Sunday  morning.  I fly in at about 10am.  Does the bus or train come from there to the school area? 
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 15, 2007, 09:43:51 AM
I spoke with Wende yesterday and she says that as of right now we can come on Sunday, but she is still working on Saturday.  My flight is already booked for Sunday  morning.  I fly in at about 10am.  Does the bus or train come from there to the school area? 

You can always take the Super Shuttle or Sky Ride.
http://www.supershuttle.com/
http://www.rtd-denver.com/skyRide/

You all must be so excited/anxious!!  I can't believe it's already been a year since. . .
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Post by: yourlocalsuperhero on June 15, 2007, 10:22:49 AM
I spoke with Wende yesterday and she says that as of right now we can come on Sunday, but she is still working on Saturday.  My flight is already booked for Sunday  morning.  I fly in at about 10am.  Does the bus or train come from there to the school area? 

You can always take the Super Shuttle or Sky Ride.
http://www.supershuttle.com/
http://www.rtd-denver.com/skyRide/

You all must be so excited/anxious!!  I can't believe it's already been a year since. . .
Right on.  When I visited, I took the sky ride ($6, I think) to a light rail stop and the train to campus.  There are two different routes that accomplish this and your selection will depend on timing of when your flight comes in v. bus leaving.
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Post by: s9120aa on June 15, 2007, 10:38:50 AM
Ellis: Please let me know if you hear back from Wende about Saturday. I haven't booked my flight yet and was aiming for arriving Saturday. I wanted to spend a day to look around the campus.

Others in summer program: When are you all coming?
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Post by: Ellis on June 15, 2007, 08:10:02 PM
Okay, great. Steve, the longer you wait to book, the more you are going to pay.  I want to go Saturday too, so I may change my flight and just get a hotel.  But then again, if we do it all before SI starts, what will we do after class lets out.  We can't study all day and all night.
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 15, 2007, 11:17:28 PM
Okay, great. Steve, the longer you wait to book, the more you are going to pay.  I want to go Saturday too, so I may change my flight and just get a hotel.  But then again, if we do it all before SI starts, what will we do after class lets out.  We can't study all day and all night.

You are a wise wise human being Ellis.  You HAVE TO take time out and do something fun.  Are classes from 9am - noon again this year?  If so, you'll have plenty of time to look around campus (takes about an hour MAX - campus is small) & Denver.  Even with studying/exams/memos, you'll have time to get out.  You have to otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy.  Last year we stayed at Centinnial Hall & the light rail wasn't open so the TV lounge was our refuge.  Luckily, one of the guys had a car so he drove us around sometimes (movies, bars, etc).  There are some things around campus but you guys have the light rail so take advantage.

If I wasn't leaving for my study abroad program on Saturday, I would have loved to meet ya'll & grab a drink/give you my binder from last year.  In the meantime, let me know if you have any questions.
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Post by: SMO on June 16, 2007, 10:34:16 AM
Seems like you are all soon. Since I live here I don't have to worry about traveling, that makes it nice. I am getting excited and nervous. But I guess we have until the 25...so one more week of "stress free life" for a while. Can't wait to meet you all!!
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 16, 2007, 04:11:51 PM
Seems like you are all soon. Since I live here I don't have to worry about traveling, that makes it nice. I am getting excited and nervous. But I guess we have until the 25...so one more week of "stress free life" for a while. Can't wait to meet you all!!

If you ant to do something in the meantime, I would recommend skimming though a book called 1000 Days to the Bar, it’s a law school prep book, but I found some of the advice, especially about time management to be pure gold. They have it at the DU bookstore I think. It was recommended to us in summer prep. 

http://www.amazon.com/1000-Days-Bar-Practice-personal/dp/0837737265/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-6132053-9898261?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1182015691&sr=8-1


Also post on my cat thread: http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,87481.0/topicseen.html



Hahaha I love your cat thread!!   ;D
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Post by: Ellis on June 16, 2007, 09:52:12 PM
Class starts on Monday 25th, and is from 9-12pm. So when are we getting together to meet?  Are we waiting til Monday morning, or in the dorms on Sunday?  SMO, how far do you live from campus?  SOMANY?, I was looking forward to meeting you.  Where are you going to study abroad?  Do we have anyone who wants to hit the gym?  I am trying to be fit and fine by the time fall classes start.
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Post by: s9120aa on June 17, 2007, 03:08:15 PM
I thought the syllabus mentioned the first session being 5-8pm on Monday (25th). At least that's what I think it said, I have to double check.
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 17, 2007, 03:56:37 PM
I thought the syllabus mentioned the first session being 5-8pm on Monday (25th). At least that's what I think it said, I have to double check.

I don't know what they're doing this year but last year there was a dinner/meet & greet on the first day.  I assume that's what the Monday event will be.  Dress nicely (like you're going to church) & have a 2 min intro ready. :)

Class starts on Monday 25th, and is from 9-12pm. So when are we getting together to meet?  Are we waiting til Monday morning, or in the dorms on Sunday?  SMO, how far do you live from campus?  SOMANY?, I was looking forward to meeting you.  Where are you going to study abroad?  Do we have anyone who wants to hit the gym?  I am trying to be fit and fine by the time fall classes start.

I know!  I'm going to Europe for 7 weeks.  My internship's been fun but damn, I can't wait to take off for Europe!

Be ready to pay about $40 for the gym.  Last year it wasn't free.
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Post by: Ellis on June 18, 2007, 08:46:28 AM
You guys are absolutely correct about the 5-8pm.  My mind is already gone.  $40?  That sucks.  Is that $40 for the year, or what?  I can do for the whole year.  Do you work out?
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 18, 2007, 09:45:00 AM
You guys are absolutely correct about the 5-8pm.  My mind is already gone.  $40?  That sucks.  Is that $40 for the year, or what?  I can do for the whole year.  Do you work out?

$40 for the time we were there.  Maybe they won't charge you this year since they're charging you for the rooms.  Once you're a student, it's included in the fees. . .it's a really nice gym.
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Post by: SMO on June 18, 2007, 10:09:25 AM
I work out. Love it. I think I could be addicted. Yeah, a week from today we have the "orientation" from 5-8 pm. So we need to wear dress clothes? Good to know!! I love dressing up. I prefer it actually.
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Post by: SMO on June 18, 2007, 10:45:07 AM
Have any of you thought about just living on campus?
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Post by: Ellis on June 18, 2007, 12:02:08 PM
Are there any Big Brother fans?  I will definitely be out of the loop for studying or anything other than Big Brother socials in my apt on Thursday nights.LOL :D
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Post by: SMO on June 18, 2007, 01:58:23 PM
Oh my, I love Big Brother. I can't wait for it to start!!! :):)
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Post by: SMO on June 18, 2007, 05:14:25 PM
Was your first year a lot harder than you thought it would be? Did you find yourself really overwhelmed with the hours you had to spend studying? I'm interested to see what the first year at DU will be like.
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Post by: SMO on June 18, 2007, 07:23:23 PM
That is really good advice. I have heard something similar to what you said about making it your job. A friend of mine would go to school everyday from 8am-5pm. He would do his classes and in the mean time, he would be in the library studying. He was a lot like you and just made himself stick to that kind of schedule. I guess that way he could go home from law school and be mostly prepared for the next day of class. Seems like a good plan to me and that is what I intend to do. I think I will have to stay at the library to read and keep myself on a schedule like yours. I can get easily distracted at home. It is pretty pathetic actually, I can get off course really fast. Something like knowing that I have some yummy food in the fridge can come into my mind in the middle of reading and distract me. I think I will get that book you mentioned, seems like a good one. I'm going to have to get really organized and make myself stick to a regular schedule. Keep the advice coming.
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Post by: yourlocalsuperhero on June 18, 2007, 09:07:36 PM
Matthies, I just want to reiterate what you've heard all your life:  you're awesome
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Post by: Ellis on June 19, 2007, 05:43:31 AM
Super great advice.  Thanks.  But I'm with SMO, if I go home, I am done.  My plan is to go to the gym after classes, to give my mind a break, then go to the library to study, before going home.  I will be living in Colorado Springs, and have two children at home, so when I get home, I want to be home with them. No distractions.
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Post by: SMO on June 19, 2007, 09:35:19 AM
Ellis, you are going to live in Colorado Springs? Wow. I thought about living in Castle Rock but wasn't sure if that was just too far from campus. Will you be full time or part time? Are you getting ready for the Institute????!!
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Post by: SMO on June 19, 2007, 10:05:21 AM
I am headed for the full time program, but I am wondering if the part time program would be better for me. My husband is a police officer and I think PT could be better for our schedules...I don't know though!
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 19, 2007, 11:15:32 AM
A few people in my section commuted from Colo Springs, Castle Rock, & as far away as Loveland.

There are pros and cons of both FT/PT.  The day class spends all day and night on law school stuff (what else do they have going on?) whereas the night class has a life outside of law school (family, jobs, etc).  I hear the night students are more laid back (in that they don't spend 24/7 reading, briefing, stressing over law school, etc).  Don't confuse laid back with lazy or you'll be in for a big suprise because they run a tight shift.  I think the only real con I see in going PT is that most student orgs are geared towards day time students (noon meetings, events in the evening, etc) so if you work, you'll miss out on some student org stuff.  And maybe graduating in 4 years but I hear a lot of part timers finish in 3 years.  Other than that I don't see much of a difference.
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Post by: Ellis on June 19, 2007, 11:42:11 AM
Getting ready for SI?  I have been packed for a week already.  I am going to try to commute without killing myself in stress and gas money, and I hear there is a bus that goes back and forth.  I will see how it goes for the first semester, and if it gets to be too much, I will rent a small space in Denver.  My husband is military, and rent is free, so I can't really beat it.
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Post by: Shinjuku on June 19, 2007, 11:54:31 AM
i have to admit i haven't read all through this thread, nor do i know a whole lot about DU Law.

but- i've lived in denver for a significant amount of time.  if anyone has questions about life in the city/metro area, shoot.
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Post by: SMO on June 19, 2007, 12:22:08 PM
Well I am really considering PT now. I like the idea of taking it a little slower and not so cut throat. I don't know, it is a hard decision. Ellis, what kind of computer did you buy?
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Post by: SMO on June 19, 2007, 05:09:15 PM
Oh and Matthis, didn't you say you are in the PT program? How many nights a week do you have class??
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Post by: Ellis on June 19, 2007, 09:11:42 PM
I bought the one recommended on the site.  Dell Latitude D620.  I wish I hadn't bought it so early, cuz now I'm addicted to chatting with you guys.
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 20, 2007, 10:29:00 AM
Oh and Matthis, didn't you say you are in the PT program? How many nights a week do you have class??

M-TH, my 1L year is was 6PM-9:15 PM, we never have Friday night classes.

Day students had Friday classes.  :(
But no Friday classes for me this fall! :)
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 20, 2007, 10:56:10 AM
So, working full-time and going to class M-Th 6-9 or so, will I have any personal time on the weekends? I recognize this is a broad statement, but do people in the evening division usually study till midnight every night and all weekend?
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Post by: SMO on June 20, 2007, 08:25:14 PM
That is a good point. We all have to figure out how long it will take us to "get" this stuff.
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Post by: SMO on June 20, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
Ellis, so are you full time or part time??
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Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 21, 2007, 08:07:40 AM
It is nice to hear all the positive comments about the evening division, I am very excited to start.  I finally got my living situation figured out, and will be moving in about 3 weeks.  I am living south of the city, and will ride the light rail to class. 

Are there specific grades that an evening division student must have to register for more credits to get through in 3 years?  I know one of you said that you just speak with the dean, but will the dean ever deny the request?
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Post by: Ellis on June 21, 2007, 08:32:35 AM
I am full time.  There is no way I can work and do school.  I tried that with my Master's, and almost got fired for doing my school work at work.  But I was so intent on making straight A's, that I cared less about the job.  I am trying everything the hard way first and then switch up if it gets to be to much.  My husband is suppose to deploy soon, so when that happens, I will reconsider which program to do, and if I need to change living arrangements to minimize the commute.
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Post by: SMO on June 21, 2007, 09:07:44 AM
That is a good plan. I need to make up my mind about which program I want to do. I guess I have a while to decide though? I really should be focusing on the institute that starts in just a few days!
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 21, 2007, 11:27:24 AM
I, generally speaking, do manage my time fairly well. I worked all through undergrad with 18-hour courseloads. I am sure it probably does not correlate very well, but hopefully I can manage it again.

That is an excellent point about vacation. I get three weeks a year, so will probably take a week off over fall, spring and summer the week before finals.
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 21, 2007, 11:35:28 AM
Can anyone tell me what the Parking garage is called? (what is the lot number. I canot seem to find it).
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 21, 2007, 01:01:42 PM
Can anyone tell me what the Parking garage is called? (what is the lot number. I canot seem to find it).

Lot L



Thanks Matthies....big help, as usual.
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Post by: SMO on June 21, 2007, 01:53:58 PM
Yes, it is very hot today. However, it is getting windy and cloudy!
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Post by: Ellis on June 21, 2007, 02:30:13 PM
Matthies, great so now I have someone to detail my car when it gets there.  You guys are greater than I thought.  SMO, I know you probably told me already, but are you going to stay on campus for SI?  I know you live there, but maybe for bonding or something.
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Post by: SMO on June 21, 2007, 02:37:33 PM
Yeah in live in Denver, so I am not going to stay on campus. I really would have considered it had it not cost 25 bucks a day. That will add up quick. So I will just save my money and make the 10 minute drive from home.
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Post by: SMO on June 21, 2007, 05:15:45 PM
So I am trying to decide if I should get the Dell or use my Apple laptop. I wish the Dell wasn't so expensive, because I'd like to have the same computer that everyone else has. Are most of you getting the Dell??
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on June 21, 2007, 08:29:54 PM
My brother in law says that he won't get anything other than an apple ever again, and some other blogs speak badly about dell, but I haven't had any problems so far.  Plus, I have the three year warranty where they come to me if I need them to fix something.
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 21, 2007, 08:48:30 PM
Matthies, great so now I have someone to detail my car when it gets there.  You guys are greater than I thought.  SMO, I know you probably told me already, but are you going to stay on campus for SI?  I know you live there, but maybe for bonding or something.
Dude I worked on his car for eight hours ot in the 98 degree wheather. I am totally worn out, skipping class tonight

Way to pick one of the hottest, humidest (humidest??) day so far!!  Haha

So I am trying to decide if I should get the Dell or use my Apple laptop. I wish the Dell wasn't so expensive, because I'd like to have the same computer that everyone else has. Are most of you getting the Dell??

It really doesn't matter what kind of computer you have or what everyone else has.  Go with the one you feel most comfortable buying/owning (school started to support Macs this year & computer tech Saul is a Mac man).  BUT. . .MAKE SURE YOU GET A 3 YEAR WARRANTY/INSURANCE!!!  You DO NOT want your computer to give you problems (now or while you're studying for the bar).  Also, buy a USB drive (or other back up device) and BACK UP everything religiously.
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Post by: SMO on June 21, 2007, 09:37:15 PM
Thanks for the advice everyone. I have the Mac that is suggested, so I may just try to make that work. I have had it for two years now and I would like to upgrade...maybe. But honestly, I don't want to spend another dime. I am already really nervous about coming out of school with 150,000 in debt. That is so scary! I know it is an investment and all that, but wow, that is huge. Do any of you have the same feelings? Are you all just paying for school through loans? It looks like most people don't get scholarships and simply end up in huge debt. That is so much money. Sorry to kinda go crazy on this one, but I have really thought about whether or not I should even do this due to the debt I will be in. I'm sure I will get over this and just suck it up and pay, but it sounds like unless I plan to work at a high paying private law firm, I may only be making 50k to start out. Seems a little unbalanced. Anyway, I'd be interested to know how you all feel about going to such an expensive university.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on June 22, 2007, 12:45:34 PM
I am willing to pay whatever just so I can be with my family.  I am so passionate about being an attorney, that I was willing to be away from my family to do law school wherever I was accepted.  So the fact that I got my number 1 choice is God's will.  I am ecstatic about it.  Hey guys, I got my ticket changed, so I will be there tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on June 22, 2007, 01:48:03 PM
I am soooo thankful to DU for giving me a chance and letting me in. I am very willing to pay and very grateful...just nervous about the debt!! But I am getting over it.  That is exciting about your ticket, we'll see you in Denver tomorrow then!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: s9120aa on June 22, 2007, 03:16:41 PM
Hello all, I have decided to turn down the summer institute and JD program at Denver. I hope someone else will have the chance to attend DU Law. It was a very tough decision but I had to make a choice that would be best for my career. Good luck!

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Post by: SMO on June 22, 2007, 03:55:20 PM
I'm sure that was a tough decision. What school did you decide on then?
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Post by: Ellis on June 22, 2007, 04:24:46 PM
Oh my God, that is wild.  I hope everything works out for you.  See you tomorrow, SMO.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on June 23, 2007, 02:48:17 PM
Okay guys, I am here and lonely.  Only one other person is here, but he is not anyone who we've  been chatting with.  My number is 803 556 2092.  If anyone wants to hang out, call me.  I am going out to find food right now.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on June 23, 2007, 07:04:37 PM
Sorry Ellis, I am out of town this last weekend before the SI. I hope you are having fun though! I can't wait to meet you on Monday night.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on June 24, 2007, 11:16:29 AM
Hey Ellis, did you read that chapter that Wende e-mailed to everyone? What did you think? Also, the first thing on the schedule for Tuesday morning is diagnostic exams. Any thoughts on what they will be covering??
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Post by: somanyquestions on June 24, 2007, 01:23:49 PM
Hey Ellis, did you read that chapter that Wende e-mailed to everyone? What did you think? Also, the first thing on the schedule for Tuesday morning is diagnostic exams. Any thoughts on what they will be covering??

The diagnostic exam is the computer grammar test I was telling you about.  We all did really horribly on it last year.  The worst part is, you have to take it over soon after orientation.  They also make you take this weird study skills exma (also on the computer).   "Do you normally get anxious before an exam. . .Most definitely true, likely true, most likely not true, etc" . . .nothing you need to or can study for.

I am at my study abroad program in Europe so I probably won't be checking this that often.  But, I wish all the SI people the best of luck.  Don't stress, it's really not that hard.  Stress just makes it harder because the material isn't that bad.  Look forward to seeing ya'll in the fall. . .IF I decide to leave this country that is!!   ;D
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Post by: SMO on June 24, 2007, 01:25:41 PM
Ok thanks for the info! I appreciate it! Well have a great time in Europe, that sounds so exciting!
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Post by: Ellis on June 24, 2007, 06:50:39 PM
I have been bored out of my mind, which makes me spend money.  I have lugged two suitcases from the lightrail to the dorm, rode the 24 bus to the 3 bus going the wrong way, trying to find Target.  I turned around the right way, shopped in Target, got back on the 3 bus, but missed the 24.  Found a 24 bus, chased after it, before making it back in 1 piece.  That was all yesterday.  Today was much better though.  I actually learned how to  read the bus schedule and went to the mall.  I am at the library now, getting ready to read the assignment.  Good luck and have fun in Europe, SOMANYQUESTIONS.  SMO, I hope you enjoyed your weekend.  We can't access the internet in the dorms without userids and passwords, so I have to come to the library to check the posts.  So, if you guys want to talk, you have my number.  I will probably catch a movie tomorrow, so if there are any takers, let me know.
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Post by: SMO on June 26, 2007, 08:06:24 PM
 I LOVE DU!!
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Post by: Ellis on June 26, 2007, 10:07:53 PM
I love it here too.  I just got your post Matthies, otherwise, I would have come out to meet you tonight.  So far I have learned what kind of environment I need to study productively, and that I am pretty good at writing grammar and punctuation.  In my reading, I have also learned how to take notes in preparation for a good outline, and what a good law student should expect to know upon graduation.  Hey Matthies, are you involved in any student organizations?  Would you recommend it?
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Post by: SMO on June 27, 2007, 02:52:38 PM
Yeah we are learning a lot. Covering a lot of different parts of the profession and what to expect in law school. I'm really enjoying it and I think everyone is so cool and diverse in their own way. I am surprised there are only 11 of us, but I love the small group thing. I'm also really enjoying the Remy book, b/c I think it is really great to read about what we should expect in the first year, in such detail. Anyway, I LOVE DU! Can't wait for tomorrow.
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Post by: Ellis on June 27, 2007, 07:48:01 PM
Its called "Succeeding in Law School" by Herbert Remy.  It is a very easy read.  I am enjoying it too.  Thanks for the advice on stud orgs. 
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Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 27, 2007, 09:09:40 PM
I was just looking online at webCentral and realized that my schedule is up.  Here it is, any experience with these professors would be greatly appreciated.

Lawyering Process I, Timothy Hurley
Torts, Arthur Best
Civil Procedure, Robert Hardaway

See you all soon!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on June 27, 2007, 09:20:53 PM
Did you say your are part time or full time? Also, do you have class every day if you are in the full time program?
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Post by: ShakedownStreet on June 27, 2007, 09:30:18 PM
I am in the evening division, so my classes are Monday-Thursday evenings.  Here is some more info on the times of my classes.



Lawyering Process I, Timothy Hurley; 6-7:15pm Monday, Wednesday
Torts, Arthur Best, 7:30-8:40; Monday, Wednesday, Thursday
Civil Procedure, Robert Hardaway; 5:40-7:20, Tuesday, Thursday



I assume day classes are Monday-Friday, but I could be wrong about that.  I am sure Matthis would know for sure. 

This schedule seems very manageable, I plan to study like it's a full-time job and go to class in the evenings.  Hopefully I can get some free time on the weekends that way. 
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Post by: Cube Farmer on June 28, 2007, 10:23:03 AM
I was just looking online at webCentral and realized that my schedule is up.  Here it is, any experience with these professors would be greatly appreciated.

Lawyering Process I, Timothy Hurley
Torts, Arthur Best
Civil Procedure, Robert Hardaway

See you all soon!


I was also just registered for these classes.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on June 28, 2007, 10:38:16 AM
i got an email a week ago saying to login to myweb and accept or decline a federal Stafford loan offer but i don't see that option here. Has anyone set up loans for Fall like this?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on June 28, 2007, 11:53:12 AM
yeah that's what i did, there was no award. it does show my fafsa recieved.  i'll call i guess
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Cube Farmer on June 28, 2007, 12:10:25 PM
yeah that's what i did, there was no award. it does show my fafsa recieved.  i'll call i guess

Yeah, I would call; as Matthies described, that is what I did to accept my award.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on June 28, 2007, 04:20:50 PM
Matthies, I am going to come over to meet you tonight if you are going to be in class.  Make sure you have a cigarette, so I can identify you.  I wouldn't want to walk up and start asking everyone who they are. 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: nfire1 on June 29, 2007, 11:59:31 AM
In case yall don't know, there's a facebook group for admitted students for DU '10.  Check here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2365615535&ref=mf

-Nick
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on June 29, 2007, 10:42:27 PM
What is facebook?  Matt, I really enjoyed you guys last night.  We discussed our plans to come hang out with you guys every T/Th. 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on June 30, 2007, 04:00:15 AM
Civil Procedure, Lucy A. Marsh

Contracts, Celia R. Taylor

Lawyering Process I, Tanya K. Brown

Torts, Catherine E. Smith


Thoughts?  My immediate reaction is a very pleasant surprise; they're all female! 

Thanks :)



If by pleasant suprise you mean easy. . .you got it all wrong.  Marsh, Taylor, & Smith are notorious for being very hard.  AS Matthies said Marsh wins the bloody hatchet award every year.  Taylor is nominated every year.

Marsh - gives 3 or 4 exams throughout the semester.  People had her for property last semester and either loved or hated her.   She makes you use her dad's 4 color method.  She is just a really old lady stuck in her ways.  Rants about how she hates laptops, gives out "demerits", and if you ask her to repeat the question you have to close your laptop for 2 weeks.  I believe Cesco had her. . .might want to ask her for more details.

Taylor - She is a tough cookie.  A very very good professor but scary.  She can spot someone surfing the internet & will come at you with hard questions.  Last semester, she gave a midterm & final.  No long BS fact pattern & pretty straight forward.  Everyone goes to Taylor's class prepared.  I had her for contracts last semester. . .I was terrified of her but looked forward to her classes.  She was one of my favorite professors last year.

Brown - don't know about her

Smith - Are you in SI?  Your TA had her last semester I believe.  Anyhow, I hear she's tough.  For the longest time, I thought she was a student at the law school.  Ha.

Faculty evaluations (from students) can be found here http://www.law.du.edu/evaluations/results/
Email Lauri at lkraus@law.du.edu for the password.  I have it but would rather not post it on a public message board.

In case yall don't know, there's a facebook group for admitted students for DU '10.  Check here:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2365615535&ref=mf

-Nick

Should have made it for incoming class 07 or something . . .class of '10 could also include evening 2Ls.

What is facebook?  Matt, I really enjoyed you guys last night.  We discussed our plans to come hang out with you guys every T/Th. 

Facebook = myspace  www.facebook.com to register  It used to be restricted to students but now it's open to the public

Ok well I hope everyone is having a fun, relaxing summer.  My plans for London got cancelled today (due to obvious reasons) so I just wanted to drop by and say hi.  :)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: BJC on July 01, 2007, 04:21:16 PM
Hey Ellis!

I've been reading your posts online on the DU page and am intrigued....I'm doing FT at DU this fall, and my husband is based at Peterson.  We're living in Castle Rock and are going to give the commute a try.  While he's driving, I'll be studying :)

Where's your husband based at?  What's your master's in?

-BJC
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: nfire1 on July 02, 2007, 11:49:15 AM
Hey Matthies and somany-

I have these profs:

Scales, Taylor, Rogers, & Cai

You guys had these professors before?  You said that Taylor was tough, but that's alright with me!  What about the others?

Thanks!

-Nick
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on July 02, 2007, 01:44:52 PM
My husband is stationed at Fort Carson.  How far is Castle Rock from Denver?  I will be living on Fort Carson, which is about 70 miles from Denver.  There is a bus/shuttle equipped with WiFi, that goes from Colorado Springs to Denver, with some stops in between, ie.. Castle Rock, Monument, Fountain, etc...  I will be studying on the ride there too.  My Master's is in Human Resource Development.  I am interested in a number of aspects of the law such as Labor law, tax law, and most recently International Law.  Are you in CO already?



Hey Ellis!

I've been reading your posts online on the DU page and am intrigued....I'm doing FT at DU this fall, and my husband is based at Peterson.  We're living in Castle Rock and are going to give the commute a try.  While he's driving, I'll be studying :)

Where's your husband based at?  What's your master's in?

-BJC
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: BJC on July 02, 2007, 03:02:31 PM
Cool.  Well he just graduated from the Academy and I was from Littleton, so yah we're in Castle Rock already....love it! 

I'm just going to drive to the Lincoln LightRail station I think...not quite worth it to take the FREX from Castle Rock to denver to DU...I'm trying to not have to do a transfer.  But yah, I've heard good things about the FREX and bet it shouldn't be too hard.  Except I think the FREX tickets usually aren't included in student RTD passes.  At least I know it wasn't at CU...  Anyways, I know our big concern about doing the commute from the Springs to DU was the winter snow driving...Monument Pass is notorious for being closed in snow storms (it's the section of I-25 just south of Castle Rock and just north of Monument).  So, should it be bearable..my husband will just stay in officer's quarters at Peterson.  Anyways, if you ever need a place to stay the night if it is closed, you're more than welcome here:)   (okay so yah I'm all new at being an officer's wife but since we're not living on base, I know we're missing out on a lot of military camaraderie stuff, so...call me desperate haha)

I'm headed into Elder Law....





My husband is stationed at Fort Carson.  How far is Castle Rock from Denver?  I will be living on Fort Carson, which is about 70 miles from Denver.  There is a bus/shuttle equipped with WiFi, that goes from Colorado Springs to Denver, with some stops in between, ie.. Castle Rock, Monument, Fountain, etc...  I will be studying on the ride there too.  My Master's is in Human Resource Development.  I am interested in a number of aspects of the law such as Labor law, tax law, and most recently International Law.  Are you in CO already?



Hey Ellis!

I've been reading your posts online on the DU page and am intrigued....I'm doing FT at DU this fall, and my husband is based at Peterson.  We're living in Castle Rock and are going to give the commute a try.  While he's driving, I'll be studying :)

Where's your husband based at?  What's your master's in?

-BJC
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on July 02, 2007, 04:28:57 PM
Hey Matthies and somany-

I have these profs:

Scales, Taylor, Rogers, & Cai

You guys had these professors before?  You said that Taylor was tough, but that's alright with me!  What about the others?

Thanks!

-Nick

Again, I suggest that you go to the above referenced cite & email Laurie for the password.  It'll give you prof. evals from students.  Not that it matters much because you can't change your professors but it's not to have people's prospective on professors so you know what to expect.

Scales - From what I hear she is awesome.  I've been to a talk she had at the law school and she is so funny, smart, and seems like a wonderful person.  She leans left & is a huge feminist & gay/lesbian supporter (is that policitally incorrect?).  Last year people had her for civ pro & torts. . .I've heard more good things about her than bad.  I think people just really enjoy her class because she's so easy going & humorous.

Taylor - Again, VERY VERY tough. . .if you don't have time to read for any other class, read for hers.  Takes time to get used to her but very smart and engaging professor.  Has somewhat of a dry, sarcastic humor.

Rogers - don't know anything about him/her.  The LP profs seem to change pretty frequently. . .

Cai - I had her for property & I liked her a lot.  She is smart and quick witted.  Some people take offense to her humor but she really means no harm.  Also, she has a strange accent. . .if you figure it out, lemme know. . .it's a mix between British & something else.  Known as the best dressed prof. in law school, dating one of the prof (go to her office hours & you'll find out immediately), and speaks a gazillion languages.  She is extremely accomplished at her age (early 30's).  Worked at Skadden & Mofo before teaching at DU.  Two books to buy: Gilbert's Property & Edward's Future interest.  She'll recommend those (and others) to you but you really should purchase them.  Get them at the SBA bookstore.  Alphabetical on-call system, online quizes (not graded but must participate), and a final worth 90%.  Her final was TOUGH.  She gives you sample exams and you should take every single one.  Also, if you need advising or want career counseling, go see her.  She's wonderful.  Oh, and her name is pronounced like the tea. . .Chai. . .something about immigration messing up the spelling or something.  LOL

Anything interesting happen in America lately?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: dlh73 on July 02, 2007, 08:25:35 PM
Need insight of DU admits:

I'm applying for Fall '08. My LSAT was only 148 and LSDAS GPA is 3.4. Do I have a shot at DU full time? What about part time?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: BJC on July 03, 2007, 07:27:25 AM
Okay so I have Scales and Taylor too, but also Nantiya Ruan Rogers (LP) and Kristen A. Carpenter (Property)...any insights there??

Oh and for those of you new to town, go to Coors Field (where the Rockies play baseball) for 4th of July fireworks or to Bandimere Speedway at C-470 and Morrison.

Does anyone else have a 2yr old laptop that they're just going to keep using for law school or should I just get a new one?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on July 03, 2007, 07:51:39 AM
Wow, I am getting excited! Only 9 more days till I start my drive out there and begin moving into my new place. Here's what I have as far as my schedule goes:
Civ Pro - Ann Scales
Contracts - Celia Taylor
Law Pro - Rogers
Property - Cai

From what everyone has said so far it does not seem like too terrible of a schedule. I'm emailing for the evaluation password right now :)

A couple days after I get moved in I will post up and see if anyone wants to meet up for a drink.

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on July 03, 2007, 08:25:54 AM
Okay BJC, a woman after my own heart.  I am also new to the Officer Wife thing, but very much look forward to it.  I spent six years on active duty, and my husband has been in for 14 years, so the military is in my blood, not to mention my father was also in for 24 years.  My husband was just commissioned in January, so Carson will be our first duty station commissioned.  It is so exciting.  Do you have children?  I have two little girls, 5 and 2.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on July 03, 2007, 08:29:53 AM
I would encourage you to apply anyway with what you have, because DU has an excellent program for people with low lsat scores. You are conditionally admitted, but to be accepted you must attend and pass a month long summer program that prepares you for whats to be expected in your first year.  Try it anyway, and still retake the exam if you want, because this program is no guarantee.  The number of students is a very small percentage.


Need insight of DU admits:

I'm applying for Fall '08. My LSAT was only 148 and LSDAS GPA is 3.4. Do I have a shot at DU full time? What about part time?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on July 03, 2007, 09:07:56 AM
i called the financial aid office and they said that i dont have an award package yet and MAYBE i'll get one in the next few weeks. maybe i'm not understanding the process here, but i thought since this is a loan and not a grant that it would be available to every student? should i be contacting a private lender or something?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: nfire1 on July 03, 2007, 12:05:44 PM
Wow, I am getting excited! Only 9 more days till I start my drive out there and begin moving into my new place. Here's what I have as far as my schedule goes:
Civ Pro - Ann Scales
Contracts - Celia Taylor
Law Pro - Rogers
Property - Cai

From what everyone has said so far it does not seem like too terrible of a schedule. I'm emailing for the evaluation password right now :)

A couple days after I get moved in I will post up and see if anyone wants to meet up for a drink.



Kyle -

Me and you have all the same courses!  Shoot me a PM when you get here and we'll meet up for a brew.  We've been in the same situation for quite awhile now!

-Nick
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: nfire1 on July 03, 2007, 12:09:40 PM
Need insight of DU admits:

I'm applying for Fall '08. My LSAT was only 148 and LSDAS GPA is 3.4. Do I have a shot at DU full time? What about part time?

Hi dlh!  I can't speak for the admissions committee, but you've still got plenty of time to raise your LSAT.  That's what I'd do if I were you.  GPA should be fine though!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on July 03, 2007, 12:57:38 PM
Yeah, actually my computer is two years old. I'm trying to decide if I want to use it or a buy a new one. Also, can you buy a different brand than Mac or Dell, and then just put the software on it? Those computers are so expensive.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: BJC on July 03, 2007, 01:06:19 PM
you should really check out lawschoolnumbers.com on the DU page to see whom else has gotten in with similar numbers/ECs...

Need insight of DU admits:

I'm applying for Fall '08. My LSAT was only 148 and LSDAS GPA is 3.4. Do I have a shot at DU full time? What about part time?

Hi dlh!  I can't speak for the admissions committee, but you've still got plenty of time to raise your LSAT.  That's what I'd do if I were you.  GPA should be fine though!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on July 12, 2007, 10:55:04 AM
Got my schedule. Basically looking at 9-4 school day M W and TH, and then one class each on T and F. That kind of sucks. I've got Marsh, Brown, Richman and Smith.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on July 24, 2007, 02:11:07 PM
Has anyone gone to get the RTD sticker for the ID card yet? I got my ID last week, and was hoping to get my RTD pass soon so I do not have to keep paying for the light rail.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on July 24, 2007, 03:25:52 PM
You got your ID card already? I didn't think we could get them until Orientation. Not sure about the RTD sticker, sorry.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on July 26, 2007, 08:16:28 PM
you can get your ID anytime now.  you just have to go to the pioneer ID office in driscoll. 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: BJC on July 27, 2007, 03:36:41 PM
you can get your ID anytime now.  you just have to go to the pioneer ID office in driscoll. 

usually the RTD passes aren't effective until either the first week of school or whenever orientation starts....bummer....
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on July 27, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
I have been riding the bus and light rail all summer.  Just show them your id.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on July 27, 2007, 05:48:43 PM
I have been on the light rail about 4 times now and never had my ticket checked.  Does anyone ever check?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on July 27, 2007, 06:12:48 PM
Kinda off topic from the light rail and law school, but I'm in town now and if anyone is down to grab a beer or food or practically anything, just give me a holler. Tomorrow I'm thinking about wine tasting at http://www.littleravenvineyards.com/discover.htm (http://www.littleravenvineyards.com/discover.htm) Best part is that it's free and right in Downtown, so after that I might head over and grab a beer or possibly go beer tasting at Flying Dog. If anyone wants to cruise with, hit me up.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on August 01, 2007, 11:06:44 AM
Have any other full time first year students got a class schedule yet?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: chonefiggins on August 01, 2007, 05:03:09 PM
I got mine...Im in section 3 looks like the same schedule as burn. They just changed it today though. I have 4 classes on Mondays and Wednesdays! The other days will be light but still. I haven't been on LSD for a while so a belated congrats to you SMO on getting in. I'll be moving in on the tenth (right behind starbucks) if people want to hang out.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on August 01, 2007, 06:21:32 PM
Thanks! I think I am going to switch down to part time b/c I want to start a little slower. But I wanted to see a couple more sample schedules for both day and evening. I am assuming that evening division is only one schedule. Everyone is together in every class?? I'm not sure...
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: chonefiggins on August 01, 2007, 07:20:15 PM
For the evening division I think that is the case.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on August 01, 2007, 10:06:08 PM
Thanks! I think I am going to switch down to part time b/c I want to start a little slower. But I wanted to see a couple more sample schedules for both day and evening. I am assuming that evening division is only one schedule. Everyone is together in every class?? I'm not sure...

I am in the evening division, and here is my schedule:

Mondays: Lawyering Process 6-7:15; Torts 7:30-8:40
Tuesdays: Civil Procedure 5:40-7:20
Wednesdays:  Same as Mondays
Thursdays:  Civil Procedure 5:40-7:20; Torts 7:30-8:40
Fridays: no class

I am pretty sure that the evening division is all one section with the same classes, except for Lawyering Process which I think is divided into smaller classes. 

Hope this helps
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: BJC on August 01, 2007, 10:24:16 PM
I'm in 1B:

Civ Pro with Scales
Contracts with Taylor
LP with Rogers
Property with Carpenter

anyone else?  thoughts?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on August 02, 2007, 03:58:26 PM
Well I am part time now. I can't believe it is starting in 18 days!! :)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on August 02, 2007, 08:49:58 PM
Matthies, do you work during the year as well as go part-time?  Now that I am going PT, I have a bunch of questions. Do you find that the work load still consumes your life, even though you are one class less than FT? Just wondering how you feel about the amount of time you have to put into class and how that works with your life outside of law school?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Cube Farmer on August 03, 2007, 05:29:19 PM
I think my schedule is the same...only a few more weeks. MY biggest worry is keeping my job going...I guess we shall see.



Thanks! I think I am going to switch down to part time b/c I want to start a little slower. But I wanted to see a couple more sample schedules for both day and evening. I am assuming that evening division is only one schedule. Everyone is together in every class?? I'm not sure...

I am in the evening division, and here is my schedule:

Mondays: Lawyering Process 6-7:15; Torts 7:30-8:40
Tuesdays: Civil Procedure 5:40-7:20
Wednesdays:  Same as Mondays
Thursdays:  Civil Procedure 5:40-7:20; Torts 7:30-8:40
Fridays: no class

I am pretty sure that the evening division is all one section with the same classes, except for Lawyering Process which I think is divided into smaller classes. 

Hope this helps
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on August 04, 2007, 02:05:55 PM
I am looking forward to the lighter load. I'll just have to adjust to going to school at night. That will be weird at first, especially hard in the winter. Do night classes get messed up b/c of bad snow storms???
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on August 05, 2007, 03:09:12 PM
do any of you currents students ever go to hockey games?  If so, how expensive are tickets?  I was hoping to be able to go to a few games with my girlfriend who is not a student. 

On another note, who all is doing the summer prep course starting tomorrow?

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on August 05, 2007, 05:41:35 PM
I am definitely going to hockey games! And I think tickets are $25-$50 a pop. As for the prep course, I was thinking about doing it, but it's a lot of $$$ and I'm pretty confident that I can do well without it. Plus it also gives me one more week of enjoyment before orientation/school starts.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on August 06, 2007, 06:14:36 PM
Well i just got in town last night (drove from Atlanta) and got a place today. No furniture since i couldn't fit much in my car, I've got my latop on a box and I'm sitting on the edge of an air mattress. So far the city is kind of confusing since for some reason they only used like 5 names for all their streets.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Camaro_Kyle on August 06, 2007, 06:32:31 PM
Hahaha, I know how you feel Burn. Hit me up if you ever want to chill and grab a beer. And a tip, if you are looking for furniture look through Craigslist or go to American Furniture Warehouse.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on August 07, 2007, 03:13:37 PM
Hahaha, I know how you feel Burn. Hit me up if you ever want to chill and grab a beer. And a tip, if you are looking for furniture look through Craigslist or go to American Furniture Warehouse.

Sounds good, I'm bored out of my mind here.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: nfire1 on August 08, 2007, 11:52:20 AM
burn - it's good to see another Georgia 1L.  Where'd you go to undergrad?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: burn on August 08, 2007, 01:01:29 PM
kennesaw state...2004 ncaa basketball champs baby!

(division 2, but still)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: nfire1 on August 08, 2007, 03:39:45 PM
<----- GA Southern.  2000 NCAA Football champions!!! (Division 1AA but what's the difference really?)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: bdiz on August 11, 2007, 04:13:56 PM
Hey all, thanks for all of your excellent insight into DU, it really sounds like a great place to go to law school.

This fall, I'll be applying to both DU and CU-Boulder Law, and am wondering what you all think about the differences between the two.  I feel that I have a decent chance of getting into both, and if that happens, which would you all go to and why?

Thanks!

bjtnj
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on August 11, 2007, 07:31:45 PM
DU - CU difference
Class size (DU is bigger)
University size (CU is bigger)
City (DU:Urban, CU:Mountain)
Price (DU:Expensive/Private, CU:Instate/Public)
Rankings (CU is ranked slightly higher)
Sports (DU:Hockey, CU:Football)
Bar passage (CU is better*)
Alumni (DU has more*)
*due to class size

I think ultimately it comes down to personal preference/cost. . .I've heard good arguments for both schools.  The job prospects, professors, & buildings are about the same (both very new) so make sure you visit!

Hope you're getting excited to start!  I cannot believe I'm already a 2L! (bittersweet)  Enjoy the rest of the summer!  8)
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on August 24, 2007, 12:00:50 PM
I am looking forward to the lighter load. I'll just have to adjust to going to school at night. That will be weird at first, especially hard in the winter. Do night classes get messed up b/c of bad snow storms???

Hey SMO,  How have you been?  Where are you?  Everyone is asking me about you, and the night crew says that they haven't seen you yet?  Are you okay?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on August 24, 2007, 02:11:13 PM
Hey Ellis! Yeah, I am doing good. I actually decided to do a deferment, so I won't be starting until next Fall. I talked a lot with Iain and I decided that would be best for me right now. It was a really difficult decision though and it came down to the last minute. I am tired from doing undergrad so fast (in 2 years) and I just wanted a break. I'm thinking about you guys all the time though. Sometimes I wish I was there right now,but I am happy I have a year off too. How is everything going? Are the classes how we expected they would be?? Fill me in on the details....gosh, here goes the second-guessing myself again... :-\
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Ellis on August 24, 2007, 05:50:03 PM
Wow.  I cannot imagine after all we did, but I do understand.  Classes right now are a breeze, but its just starting.  I have two professors that people grimmace about when I tell them who they are, but I like them.  I am, however, very exhausted after just one week, but it is probably attributed to my commute.  I get up at 5:30 every morning, so I just want to sleep.  I really applaud your ability to make such a challenging decision.  Keep in touch though.  Take care, Ellis.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on August 24, 2007, 10:47:05 PM
Yeah, I can imagine that commute would get old really quick. I hope that it gets a little easier for you though, and you find a routine that you can live with. Yeah, you're right, we did do a lot of work. But all that work I did got me accepted, so that is what really matters. I have my same spot for next year and I don't have to worry about going through the application process again. Anyway, good luck in your classes. I am sure you will do great, you are a really hard worker.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on September 13, 2007, 09:03:13 AM
So update me everyone! How is everyone doing? How are the classes???
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on September 13, 2007, 01:59:29 PM
Yeah, I am starting Fall 2008. I'm glad to have the year off. Very grateful for the opportunity.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on September 19, 2007, 04:32:52 PM
the first year is going great!  I really enjoy my classes (torts, civ pro, and LP)  All of them have interesting senses of humor.  I have been called on 5 times in civ pro and torts!  Some people never get called on, but my card must have something special on it because the profs love to pull it!  Thanks to all of you for your advice. 

Hey matties,

did you talk during the orientation with the student panel? 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on September 19, 2007, 05:16:51 PM
How is the work load? Are you finding yourself spending every minute on school?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on September 22, 2007, 06:26:07 PM
Sometimes I wish the deferment was only for one semester though, I'm kinda wishing I could start back up in January...
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on September 24, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
How is the work load? Are you finding yourself spending every minute on school?

I do not work during the day, so I am able to spend as much time as needed on reading and preparing for class.  I usually spend about 4-5 hours a day reading and preparing, then relax in the afternoons before class.  Since there is no class on Friday for the evening division, I work all day Friday then take pretty much all weekend off.  I really like the evening schedule, I think it really allows me to stay ahead on the reading. 

I have had time to do plenty of other things besides law school, so the work load is not that bad in my opinion.  I think that the being in the evening division without a job is the way to go!

Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: SMO on September 24, 2007, 04:08:17 PM
Yeah, I totally agree. I think that when I start up in the Fall, that is what I will be doing instead of full-time.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on October 15, 2007, 10:36:35 AM
so we had our torts midterm last thursday.  I think it went pretty well, but who knows. 

Matthies,

About how long do professors usually take to get grades back to students?


Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on October 15, 2007, 11:02:04 AM
so we had our torts midterm last thursday.  I think it went pretty well, but who knows. 

Matthies,

About how long do professors usually take to get grades back to students?




Mid terms are usually pretty quick, 1-2 weeks was my experice. Final grade are anouther story, don't expect to get grades till very end of Dec or first of January, every year I have been at DU I have not had all my grades in before the next semester was about to start.  If your not happy with your grade GO SEE YOUR PROF in office hours, this will REALLY HELP YOU. Make sure u have specific Q's ready. Good luck on your exam.

Does anybody have hardaway for Civ pro? I think I still have my HUGH outline for his class if anyone wants it.

thanks for the info.  I have hardaway for civ pro.  I would love to have your outline just as a reference as I start to make my own.
I will pm you my email address. 
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Cube Farmer on October 16, 2007, 11:03:25 AM
School has been a bear.

I did get my mid-term from Torts back.... A-  I am actually really happy about it.

Other than that, I cut my hours back a little bit, but whatever, I am keeping up well enough. I keep falling slightly behind in Civ Pro, but I am getting caught up. What has really helped me is my study group. We have a really tight four-person group that really works well together.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on October 16, 2007, 12:14:37 PM


School has been a bear.

I did get my mid-term from Torts back.... A-  I am actually really happy about it.

Other than that, I cut my hours back a little bit, but whatever, I am keeping up well enough. I keep falling slightly behind in Civ Pro, but I am getting caught up. What has really helped me is my study group. We have a really tight four-person group that really works well together.

Hey, nice job on the midterm.  What LP section are you in?  Hurley?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Cube Farmer on October 16, 2007, 12:54:52 PM
Yes, I am in Hurley's class...Thanks for the congrats. I was shocked...
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: phillynit on October 24, 2007, 09:00:15 PM
For those of you that currently go to Denver - when did you get word on your admission status?

I sent in my application in early September and just got back from visiting the campus.  I am more anxious than ever.....

Thanks for your responses!
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: somanyquestions on October 26, 2007, 04:40:48 PM
My dates are a little weird because I got in through a conditional program. . .but, for whatever it's worth here is my timeline from 2006 entering class.

Applied in late Dec/early Jan.
Confirmation received within a month.
Invitation to summer conditional program in early May.
Summer conditional program in July.
Acceptance about 2 days after the end of program.

You may also want to check other people's status on LSN to get a general idea.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: phillynit on November 15, 2007, 07:11:42 PM
my application status changed to complete/ready for review today according to the iweb site.  Let the waiting game begin.  I am really pumped I hope this doesn't take too long.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on November 16, 2007, 10:24:20 AM
What info can you give me on their summer conditional program?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on November 16, 2007, 12:22:41 PM
Well I got in last year through the CLEO program. I did not attend it though because of a family illness. But I have toured D.U and went to discovery day a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: I hate 20 dollar bills, I like 100's!!! on November 16, 2007, 01:16:54 PM
I'm re-applying this weekend, most likely tonight. I had a great time at discovery day.
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: ShakedownStreet on December 07, 2007, 10:57:13 AM
woooooooooohooooooooooo! done with finals!!!  what better way to end than with a 4.5 hour Hardaway civ pro test?
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: Merqutio on February 02, 2008, 06:19:50 PM
My DU account on myweb recently changed. There are now links for class registration, academic progress reports, financial aid, housing, and transcript requests. None of these links were available on myweb before yesterday. I haven't received a letter in the mail yet, but does this mean I was accepted into the school?  ???
Title: Re: EVERYTHING on DENVER STURM LAW
Post by: kylie_johnson on March 23, 2008, 05:06:04 PM
Has anyone gotten into DU Sturm with a 2.88 and 157?