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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 05:46:02 PM

Title: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 05:46:02 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Ollie! on February 07, 2007, 05:47:36 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

Small genitalia.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 05:49:24 PM
yeah, that could be the problem.....
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: bamf on February 07, 2007, 05:56:59 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

yeah I don't know what is wrong with you, but something is wrong.
anyways, I *REALLY* want to go to duke, so if you're not gonna go, why don't you tell them that, ok?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: MisterManager on February 07, 2007, 05:59:20 PM
oh you enjoy the rest of your miserable and lonely life...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JTcc on February 07, 2007, 06:06:14 PM
I typed "you're an assbag," then I deleted it because I feel the same way you do.  Then I typed it again because I too am an assbag.  

I am beginning to recover from my not-going-to-Columbia malaise by asking whether it was the school I coveted or the name.  I'm looking on the bright side; Michigan used to be in the top 3 and Chicago is the happeningest spot between Terre Haute and Fond du Lac.  If you told me when I was a fetus that I'd be choosing between T14 law schools, I would have said "sweet."  Whatever socially-instilled expectations have seeped into my consciousness since, f*ck 'em.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: lflyer on February 07, 2007, 06:07:21 PM
I had the same issues when I first started applying.  I've done great in undergrad, pretty much smoked everyone in my class.  Then I got a 165 on the LSAT and was pissed as hell.  "ONLY A 165?!?" I kept thinking.  Its easy to lose perspective when your on this site and it seems like more than half the people have 170+.  But after a while I started to realize 165 was a major accomplishment being in the top 10%.  Some people cant even get into a single law school.  Some of my friends who dreamed about going got 140s.  This is what I've wanted to do my entire life.  And I'm fortunate enough to actually have the chance to do it.  There are a ton of people that dont have the money and/or grades to go to law school.  You should realize how lucky you are to have the chance you have.  If your having trouble grasping this happiness, then law is probably not truly what you want to do.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: nealric on February 07, 2007, 06:08:14 PM
I think I speak for most rational people here when I say:

GET OVER YOURSELF

Its not like Boalt grads are waiting tables for a living.

Think long and hard about why you would not be happy to attend any of those schools. It probably boils down to snobbery.

Of course there is the possibility the post is just a troll...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Journeyman on February 07, 2007, 06:15:58 PM
You got into Georgetown and you are pissed...I hate you...

(Not really, but you get the point)   >:(

PS...I would throw the party of the century if I got into Georgetown, and I too am used to a bit of success in my life.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: 'tiki on February 07, 2007, 06:23:43 PM
First, congrats to the OP. I can sort of understand what the OP is saying. The schools s/he has gotten into are not just ok, though; they are great. That said, I think everyone has these feelings when they do not get into one of their #1 choices, so I can see the disappointment there. I mean dream schools are "dreams" for a reason. It is these sort of thoughts/feelings that are genuine and not arrogant but at the same time can come off as the opposite. Anyways, best of luck.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 07, 2007, 06:31:36 PM
This thread makes me sad.

FWIW, I don't understand why someone would apply to so many schools s/he wouldn't be happy -- or would feel ashamed -- to attend.  One or two for scholarship-bargaining purposes or because you got a fee waiver and you'd consider going with a full ride or whatever, sure.  But this just sounds silly. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: mae8 on February 07, 2007, 06:43:01 PM
obviously anyone who cant get into ysh should kill self
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: coffee girl on February 07, 2007, 06:51:04 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

Ivy '07, you went to an ivy-league undergrad and presumbably did well on the LSAT, so why do I feel like I need to remind you that there is not a 1:1 relationship between attending a Top 7 school (per U.S. News) and personal happiness?

You are more or less going to have the same opportunities upon graduation as you would have had had you gotten into your "dream" schools.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 07:03:48 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

Ivy '07, you went to an ivy-league undergrad and presumbably did well on the LSAT, so why do I feel like I need to remind you that there is not a 1:1 relationship between attending a Top 7 school (per U.S. News) and personal happiness?

You are more or less going to have the same opportunities upon graduation as you would have had had you gotten into your "dream" schools.





I know......and I am sure I will enjoy ls wherever I go.....but at the moment I can't help but feel like I am going to end up being disappointed with my final choices.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Journeyman on February 07, 2007, 07:16:50 PM
There are starving kids in Ethiopia that would give their right arms to go to UMich...or Duke...

Or half the people who are posting in the "YAY I got into a T3/T4" thread
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 07:18:24 PM
There are starving kids in Ethiopia that would give their right arms to go to UMich...or Duke...

Or half the people who are posting in the "YAY I got into a T3/T4" thread

right....which is why i am chagrined about my current attitude.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Journeyman on February 07, 2007, 07:20:14 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 07:21:45 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?


Shut up, asshat.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: coffee girl on February 07, 2007, 07:22:36 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 

Agreed.  Ivy, you're obviously accustomed to setting extraordinarily high standards for yourself.  Booze up a bit and take a step back.  Perspective shift, my friend...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 07:24:46 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 

Agreed.  Ivy, you're obviously accustomed to setting extraordinarily high standards for yourself.  Booze up a bit and take a step back.  Perspective shift, my friend...


I know I am going to get flamed for this, but if I don't get into UChicago, Penn, or NYU, I may retake the lsat and try again next year
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: oldspice on February 07, 2007, 07:24:55 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

Small genitalia.

TITCR
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: LuvHurtz on February 07, 2007, 07:25:44 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

Ivy '07, you went to an ivy-league undergrad and presumbably did well on the LSAT, so why do I feel like I need to remind you that there is not a 1:1 relationship between attending a Top 7 school (per U.S. News) and personal happiness?

You are more or less going to have the same opportunities upon graduation as you would have had had you gotten into your "dream" schools.





I know......and I am sure I will enjoy ls wherever I go.....but at the moment I can't help but feel like I am going to end up being disappointed with my final choices.

I can relate on the bolded. I guess sometimes when you apply you get your heart set on a certain school or schools and don't even consider going anywhere else. I know as of right now I have only gotten into all the schools I knew I would get into beforehand (but there was only one school I had my heart set on attending where I got a deferral :-\). Having said that, in response to the OP, I think you should put things in perspective. Going to Duke or Michigan is def in no way shameful. Be happy about your opportunity because it is a chance many people don't get. There are thousands of people who would love to trade places with you right now. Most people who apply dont get into a single law school, much less one in the top 10. You haven't even been rejected yet, but if it happens, pick yourself up and be thankful because you could have way more to complain about. The school you attend should not define how you feel about yourself. Maybe you just don't know how to deal with rejection.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: coffee girl on February 07, 2007, 07:28:31 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 

Agreed.  Ivy, you're obviously accustomed to setting extraordinarily high standards for yourself.  Booze up a bit and take a step back.  Perspective shift, my friend...


I know I am going to get flamed for this, but if I don't get into UChicago, Penn, or NYU, I may retake the lsat and try again next year

Just out of curiousity, what do Penn, NYU and Chicago have that Cornell, GULC, Duke, Boalt and Michigan don't?  Is it purely a rankings thing?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: LuvHurtz on February 07, 2007, 07:30:48 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 

Agreed.  Ivy, you're obviously accustomed to setting extraordinarily high standards for yourself.  Booze up a bit and take a step back.  Perspective shift, my friend...


I know I am going to get flamed for this, but if I don't get into UChicago, Penn, or NYU, I may retake the lsat and try again next year

Just out of curiousity, what do Penn, NYU and Chicago have that Cornell, GULC, Duke, Boalt and Michigan don't?  Is it purely a rankings thing?

Good question. I'm curious to know this too.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: New Poster on February 07, 2007, 07:33:42 PM
Retake and try not to get a sh*tty LSAT score next time.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: jimfoolery on February 07, 2007, 07:35:48 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

Ivy '07, you went to an ivy-league undergrad and presumbably did well on the LSAT, so why do I feel like I need to remind you that there is not a 1:1 relationship between attending a Top 7 school (per U.S. News) and personal happiness?

You are more or less going to have the same opportunities upon graduation as you would have had had you gotten into your "dream" schools.





I know......and I am sure I will enjoy ls wherever I go.....but at the moment I can't help but feel like I am going to end up being disappointed with my final choices.

Dry your eyes, my maudlin friend.  Here, you can use this poison ivy leaf.

Nevermind that most of the people reading your post check their mail everyday nervous with the hope of gaining admission to schools worse than those you are already into.  You are special, as I'm sure your mommy tells you, and you deserve the best.  I mean, you went to an ivy league school, for god's sake--it says so right there in your name!  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 07:36:00 PM
Retake and try not to get a sh*tty LSAT score next time.

titcr i think
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Harmonium on February 07, 2007, 07:44:31 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 

Agreed.  Ivy, you're obviously accustomed to setting extraordinarily high standards for yourself.  Booze up a bit and take a step back.  Perspective shift, my friend...


I know I am going to get flamed for this, but if I don't get into UChicago, Penn, or NYU, I may retake the lsat and try again next year

Just out of curiousity, what do Penn, NYU and Chicago have that Cornell, GULC, Duke, Boalt and Michigan don't?  Is it purely a rankings thing?

Good question. I'm curious to know this too.

Ivy, you going to field this one or what? Have you actually LOOKED at the differences between these programs? What do you want to do with your degree, and is it really something you can ONLY do at PCN or above?

Stop being a f*cking prestige whore and actually figure out WHY you care so much about this.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 07, 2007, 07:48:32 PM
its obvious that OP is a flame...dunny y yall are getting worked about about it.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 07:51:28 PM
I'm not.  Just told him to "shut up, asshat".  I thought that would suffice.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 07:52:44 PM
not flame.........and realize I am being a prestige whore...but its a hard thing to shake once it gets a hold of you. Chicago and NYU are much better schools and have much better student bodies compared to Mich, Duke, etc. I like Penn's emphasis on interdisciplinary studies, and, having gone to an ivy undergrad, am now a prestige whore. so there you go.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 07:54:34 PM
I'm not.  Just told him to "shut up, asshat".  I thought that would suffice.


what is so wrong about what I said.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: keepitsimple on February 07, 2007, 07:56:48 PM
those schools suck
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Harmonium on February 07, 2007, 07:58:33 PM
not flame.........and realize I am being a prestige whore...but its a hard thing to shake once it gets a hold of you. Chicago and NYU are much better schools and have much better student bodies compared to Mich, Duke, etc. I like Penn's emphasis on interdisciplinary studies, and, having gone to an ivy undergrad, am now a prestige whore. so there you go.

By "better student bodies" do you mean a point or two higher on the LSAT? What do you mean by "better schools"? If you mean professor quality, than your claim is completely groundless; all the top schools have amazing faculty with impeccable, ivy-laden resumes. School ranked this highly have different specialties and concentrations. If you want to do environmental law, for instance, you'd be crazy not to go to Boalt over Chicago.

I'm drawn to Penn and Chicago's offerings as well, but not because I think the students will be of a whole different caliber than Mich or Boalt. Do you really think Penn kids are all geniuses while the Mich kids are a bunch of idiots? Give me a break.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: HippieLawChick on February 07, 2007, 07:58:54 PM
Ivy, I think you are suffering from "Rich Kid Entitlement Syndrome".  Usually, this is suffered by the children of the wealthy in this country who believe that the smooth road that their parents' money has paved for them should mean that this will continue throughout life.  Others (the non-rich kids) get lulled into a false sense that they are special because they went to a school with others who believe THEY are special and perpetuate the myth that a highly ranked school is a ticket to success in life. 

If you can't handle the "disappointment" of getting into the schools you listed, you will be CRUSHED when you get your first "B" in law school. (Oh yes, for 99% of law students, there are lots of B's).  I recommend becoming a professional dog groomer instead of going to law school.  That way, the dogs will wag their tails when they see you, and you can finally feel wanted, loved and satisfied. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Journeyman on February 07, 2007, 08:01:46 PM
Yes....Duke is so much worse than Chicago or Penn...


IDIOT!


Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: oldspice on February 07, 2007, 08:08:43 PM
I recommend becoming a professional dog groomer instead of going to law school.  That way, the dogs will wag their tails when they see you, and you can finally feel wanted, loved and satisfied.  

This an acceptable alternative to TCR (small genitals)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: 'tiki on February 07, 2007, 08:13:33 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 

Agreed.  Ivy, you're obviously accustomed to setting extraordinarily high standards for yourself.  Booze up a bit and take a step back.  Perspective shift, my friend...


I know I am going to get flamed for this, but if I don't get into UChicago, Penn, or NYU, I may retake the lsat and try again next year

I thought I understood where you where coming from at the beginning but refusing to go to any of the schools you got into because you did not get in to CCN or Penn? That is just ridiculous. If you are not willing to go to Mich, Duke, Boalt and the like... why did you apply in the first place?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 08:14:39 PM
In that case....throw back a couple (or more) cold ones, invite some buddies over, and pat yourself on the back... 

Agreed.  Ivy, you're obviously accustomed to setting extraordinarily high standards for yourself.  Booze up a bit and take a step back.  Perspective shift, my friend...


I know I am going to get flamed for this, but if I don't get into UChicago, Penn, or NYU, I may retake the lsat and try again next year

I agreed with you to a certain extent at the beginning but refusing to go to any of the schools you got into because you did not get in to CCN or Penn? That is just ridiculous, if you are not willing to go to Mich, Duke, Boalt and the like... why did you apply in the first place?

I'm not sure I have a particularly compelling reason...perhaps because it seemed kind of ridiculous to only apply to CCNP?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: coffee girl on February 07, 2007, 08:16:39 PM
I'm not sure I have a particularly compelling reason...perhaps because it seemed kind of ridiculous to only apply to CCNP?

Not as ridiculous as applying to them, getting in and then not going.  Ivy, I was feeling  for ya there for a while; I really was.  But you lost me once you pulled the Penn or bust move...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: HippieLawChick on February 07, 2007, 08:17:55 PM
Ivy, I think you are suffering from "Rich Kid Entitlement Syndrome".  Usually, this is suffered by the children of the wealthy in this country who believe that the smooth road that their parents' money has paved for them should mean that this will continue throughout life.  Others (the non-rich kids) get lulled into a false sense that they are special because they went to a school with others who believe THEY are special and perpetuate the myth that a highly ranked school is a ticket to success in life. 

If you can't handle the "disappointment" of getting into the schools you listed, you will be CRUSHED when you get your first "B" in law school. (Oh yes, for 99% of law students, there are lots of B's).  I recommend becoming a professional dog groomer instead of going to law school.  That way, the dogs will wag their tails when they see you, and you can finally feel wanted, loved and satisfied. 

Not to make it a pity party, but perhaps it isn't snobbery or entitlement, perhaps its parental pressure.  I caught an episode of the Real Housewives on Bravo and in two separate conversations about undergrad, the parents indicated that they'd be happy with Columbia, but happier with Princeton, Harvard, or Yale.  Kinda sad...

If a 22 year old is still that influenced by their parents, they should get a damn job and start paying their own tuition!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 07, 2007, 08:21:01 PM
Ivy, I think you are suffering from "Rich Kid Entitlement Syndrome".  Usually, this is suffered by the children of the wealthy in this country who believe that the smooth road that their parents' money has paved for them should mean that this will continue throughout life.  Others (the non-rich kids) get lulled into a false sense that they are special because they went to a school with others who believe THEY are special and perpetuate the myth that a highly ranked school is a ticket to success in life. 

If you can't handle the "disappointment" of getting into the schools you listed, you will be CRUSHED when you get your first "B" in law school. (Oh yes, for 99% of law students, there are lots of B's).  I recommend becoming a professional dog groomer instead of going to law school.  That way, the dogs will wag their tails when they see you, and you can finally feel wanted, loved and satisfied. 

Not to make it a pity party, but perhaps it isn't snobbery or entitlement, perhaps its parental pressure.  I caught an episode of the Real Housewives on Bravo and in two separate conversations about undergrad, the parents indicated that they'd be happy with Columbia, but happier with Princeton, Harvard, or Yale.  Kinda sad...

If a 22 year old is still that influenced by their parents, they should get a damn job and start paying their own tuition!


just to debunk that theory, my parents couldn't care less. they are successful people, but not particularly ambitious....unlike their progeny
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: El_Pesado on February 07, 2007, 08:21:45 PM
The only reason to feel that Michigan et al. are even moderately inadequate compared to his dream schools is if he has his heart really set on teaching, in which case admittance into Chicago and Columbia would be a far better investment. However, that observation doesn't seem to apply in the OP's rather plaintive post, as it looks like he's  motivated more by the prestige-factor. Sigh, another example why I think people are just no damn good.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: oldspice on February 07, 2007, 08:21:49 PM
I'm not sure I have a particularly compelling reason...perhaps because it seemed kind of ridiculous to only apply to CCNP?

That's not ridiculous. Surely that's the best way you know of to compensate for your unusually small genitals.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Dr. Miles on February 07, 2007, 08:22:26 PM
don't listen to the pathetic morons who say you shouldn't be disappointed. they're just jealous because they couldn't get into any of those schools. sucks for them. it's your right to be disappointed. you wanted something, most likely worked very hard to get it, and things didn't work out. that's disappointing.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: coffee girl on February 07, 2007, 08:25:58 PM
don't listen to the pathetic morons who say you shouldn't be disappointed. they're just jealous because they couldn't get into any of those schools. sucks for them. it's your right to be disappointed. you wanted something, most likely worked very hard to get it, and things didn't work out. that's disappointing.

143
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Dr. Miles on February 07, 2007, 08:28:58 PM
don't listen to the pathetic morons who say you shouldn't be disappointed. they're just jealous because they couldn't get into any of those schools. sucks for them. it's your right to be disappointed. you wanted something, most likely worked very hard to get it, and things didn't work out. that's disappointing.

143

contentment leads to stagnation. if you really want to succeed in an intenseley competitive environment you *must* be disappointed by setbacks. not so disappointed that you burn out, but disappointed enough to make you more focused.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: challandler on February 07, 2007, 08:30:17 PM
The only reason to feel that Michigan et al. are even moderately inadequate compared to his dream schools is if he has his heart really set on teaching, in which case admittance into Chicago and Columbia would be a far better investment.

I don't believe that Columbia has any meaningful advantage over Michigan when it comes to placement in law teaching.  I'll grant you Chicago, but not Columbia.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: katluva33 on February 07, 2007, 08:31:01 PM
nothing wrong with reaching for the stars and being dissapointed with the results.  Posting about being ashamed to have only gotten into Duke or Michigan...that's a whole other ballgame...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: oldspice on February 07, 2007, 08:31:13 PM
don't listen to the pathetic morons who say you shouldn't be disappointed. they're just jealous because they couldn't get into any of those schools. sucks for them. it's your right to be disappointed. you wanted something, most likely worked very hard to get it, and things didn't work out. that's disappointing.

143

contentment leads to stagnation. if you really want to succeed in an intensley competitive environment you *must* be disappointed by setbacks. not so disappointed that you burn out, but disappointed enough to make you more focused.

Right on! And this is precisely the type of situation that merits said disappointment.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: LuvHurtz on February 07, 2007, 08:31:37 PM
don't listen to the pathetic morons who say you shouldn't be disappointed. they're just jealous because they couldn't get into any of those schools. sucks for them. it's your right to be disappointed. you wanted something, most likely worked very hard to get it, and things didn't work out. that's disappointing.

143

contentment leads to stagnation. if you really want to succeed in an intensley competitive environment you *must* be disappointed by setbacks. not so disappointed that you burn out, but disappointed enough to make you more focused.

I like this response. I think I need to apply it to myself ;).
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: 'tiki on February 07, 2007, 08:32:15 PM
But the OP is disappointed enough that he is quitting. He is giving law school at some fine institutions on the off chance he might be able to get in next year to CCN/Penn.

Regarding your other post... look up info before you post, qualifying us a pathetic morons who are jealous of the OP is kind of silly when some of have gotten into those same schools the OP references.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: coffee girl on February 07, 2007, 08:32:42 PM
don't listen to the pathetic morons who say you shouldn't be disappointed. they're just jealous because they couldn't get into any of those schools. sucks for them. it's your right to be disappointed. you wanted something, most likely worked very hard to get it, and things didn't work out. that's disappointing.

143

contentment leads to stagnation. if you really want to succeed in an intensley competitive environment you *must* be disappointed by setbacks. not so disappointed that you burn out, but disappointed enough to make you more focused.

Right on! And this is precisley the type of situation that merits said disappointment.

176  :D
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Dr. Miles on February 07, 2007, 08:36:30 PM
But the OP is disappointed enough that he is quitting. He is giving law school at some fine institutions on the off chance he might be able to get in next year to CCN/Penn.

Regarding your other post... look up info before you post, qualifying us a pathetic morons who are jealous of the OP is kind of silly when some of have gotten into those same schools the OP references.

it seemed that most of the posts were by people who only got into schools like boalt, michigan, or worse. so yeah, pathetic morons still seems apt.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: randymarsh on February 07, 2007, 08:37:56 PM
don't listen to the pathetic morons who say you shouldn't be disappointed. they're just jealous because they couldn't get into any of those schools. sucks for them. it's your right to be disappointed. you wanted something, most likely worked very hard to get it, and things didn't work out. that's disappointing.
I think everyone on this site empathizes w/ that feeling, its the ostentatious trolling for sympathy and reassurance that they find asshat-ish.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: latenitesession on February 07, 2007, 08:38:46 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

clearly, the only solution is to kill yourself.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: HippieLawChick on February 07, 2007, 08:43:30 PM
Hey man, the problem is that if he is disappointed now that he didn't get something that others did, he will be 10 times more disappointed when he gets to law school and finds out that many people there are smarter than he is (or are just better at taking a particular professor's exams).  In law school, you have to distinguish yourself, but the most successful lawyers are those who distinguish themselves by their wit, wisdom and other qualities that are hard to quantify. 

I think I am basically trying to say, suck it up, go to the school that's the best fit for you, do well, be a leader, and get over it!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: l1lshady0 on February 07, 2007, 08:46:17 PM
Berkeley is arguably MORE prestigious than Penn or NYU, no?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Dr. Miles on February 07, 2007, 08:47:05 PM
Berkeley is arguably MORE prestigious than Penn or NYU, no?

no
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Commie Panda on February 07, 2007, 09:24:56 PM
I find it quite hypocritical to say the least that people here are bashing the OP for being disappointed that he hasn't met his expectations. Granted, in the larger scheme of things the OP has gotten into some wonderful, top-notch schools. However, expectations/preferences are all relative. Just like the OP wants to get into Columbia, Chicago, etc to be genuinely happy, there are many people here who would love to get into perhaps GW or Vanderbilt but would be disappointed if they didn't get into these schools but let's say had to go to Emory/WUSTL. Think about the people who can't get into Emory/WUSTL--do you not think they're wondering how ingrate those people are that they have to reluctantly "settle" for Emory/WUSTL while they'd give anything to get into those schools?

That being said, the OP definitely needs to step back and realize how fortunate he is and re-adjust his perspective. But to fault the OP for being disappointed that he didn't get into *his* choice of schools really is hypocritical.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Penelope on February 07, 2007, 09:38:10 PM
maybe the OP is one of those people that perpetually thinks that "the grass is always greener elsewhere".. what surprises me is that they didn't apply to HYS and then complain about how they haven't gotten in..

well, if the only thing that matters to this person is going to a T4-T7 school, then perhaps they should wait a year and reapply. at least that way, I won't have to see them in any of my classes ;D
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: FunkyzeitmitBruno on February 07, 2007, 09:43:46 PM
I wonder how Mich, Boalt, et. al would feel after seeing the the OP's OP. Apparently, 1 spot in the USNEWS ranking = no further use in pursuing a legal career. I mean really, you'll find many ppl, including myself, who would put Mich over Penn with respect to prestige and many others who would prefer the lower T14, even without more merit money, than CCNP for non-prestige reasons.

I can relate to being a bit bummed about not getting into the top choices. But the actual differences career-wise are pretty marginal, especially considering that you'll more-likely-than-not do better a school with lower entering student stats.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Dr. Miles on February 07, 2007, 09:56:26 PM
But the OP is disappointed enough that he is quitting. He is giving law school at some fine institutions on the off chance he might be able to get in next year to CCN/Penn.

Regarding your other post... look up info before you post, qualifying us a pathetic morons who are jealous of the OP is kind of silly when some of have gotten into those same schools the OP references.

it seemed that most of the posts were by people who only got into schools like boalt, michigan, or worse. so yeah, pathetic morons still seems apt.

No.

And you're a bigger asshat than the OP.

i'm truly sorry that you go to dolt. it's understandable that you should try and lash out. don't worry, i take no offense.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Ollie! on February 07, 2007, 10:00:35 PM
it seemed that most of the posts were by people who only got into schools like boalt, michigan, or worse. so yeah, pathetic morons still seems apt.

Taken from your post history "...but i transferred in from another t1. i studied a lot during 1l...probably 8 hrs a day or so, 6 days a week. i rarely went to class [wow], however.."  Due to your obvious superior intellect, I am going to assume you had to transfer not because you were a "pathetic moron" who couldn't do better than Boalt or Michigan, but that a late entrance (2L at NYU) is much more fashionable.


Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Dr. Miles on February 07, 2007, 10:02:56 PM
it seemed that most of the posts were by people who only got into schools like boalt, michigan, or worse. so yeah, pathetic morons still seems apt.

Taken from your post history "...but i transferred in from another t1. i studied a lot during 1l...probably 8 hrs a day or so, 6 days a week. i rarely went to class [wow], however.."  Due to your obvious superior intellect, I am going to assume you had to transfer not because you were a "pathetic moron" who couldn't do better than Boalt or Michigan, but that a late entrance (2L at NYU) is much more fashionable.




i was 'roughing it' first year. trying to get in touch with the common people; seeing how the other half live, etc.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 07, 2007, 10:10:09 PM
http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=576770&mc=39&forum_id=2#7563294
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: FunkyzeitmitBruno on February 07, 2007, 10:39:39 PM
lol, I love the difference in reactions between LSD and XoXo.

LSD: "You're a prestige whore, go kill self"
XOXO: "You've failed in life, go kill self"

Edit: Upon further reading, MTG has made the same observation on XO
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: coffee girl on February 07, 2007, 10:50:40 PM
Ack, I feel tres pwned for having wasted my time on this thread...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 08, 2007, 02:14:03 AM
whatever you may think....the thread is not flame. I posted the same thing on xoxo to get a different perspective. NOT a troll.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Harmonium on February 08, 2007, 02:24:43 AM
I mean, if you're gonna be a prestige whore: Penn is the reject ivy and Chicago is TTT. Only YSH can be considered law schools in the first place. HTMFH.

(xoxo posts are so f*ucking helpful!)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Nickledime85 on February 08, 2007, 05:18:10 AM
Well, at least if you go to Michigan you can be fellow alum with Ann Coulter! Now that's just exciting.  :D
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: korhashamo on February 08, 2007, 06:57:29 AM
u will be disappointed.  tremendously disappointed.  if i were u, i would withdraw all my apps, work on em really hard, and re-submit next year. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: rugercaptain on February 08, 2007, 06:59:17 AM
the parents indicated that they'd be happy with Columbia, but happier with Princeton, Harvard, or Yale.  Kinda sad...

Thank god my parents died long before I ever started thinking about applying to law school.   ::)  Actually, they're probably twirling in their graves because their daughter is just a dirt-bag firefighter who's applying to PT programs at T3 law schools.

OP, come back in about twenty to twenty-five years...enough time for you to have suffered through life's real disappointments.

rugercaptain
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ptown on February 08, 2007, 07:28:24 AM
The actual schools at stake here are not the issue, everyone has different goals.  The situation would be exactly the same if the OP was depressed that he wanted to go to John Marshall but only got into Cooley.

The problem is the OP's attitude, first of all why the hell would you apply somewhere if you were ashamed to go there?  More important though, is his inability to deal with dissapointment.  I hate to see how he will be able to function in law school, not to mention the real world, when he discovers that he can't always get everything he wants, and that there are plenty of people out there that are more qualified than he is.

My advice is if you really don't want to go to those schools, do something about it.  Take some time off and work in the real world while improving your application and retaking the LSAT.  The experience will be two-fold, as it might help you grow up.

Or, Kill Self.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: h2xblive on February 08, 2007, 07:28:54 AM
whatever you may think....the thread is not flame. I posted the same thing on xoxo to get a different perspective. NOT a troll.

I don't think anyone believes you.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 08, 2007, 08:00:33 AM
Okay, I feel for you, OP, I really do. It's tough when you put a lot of pressure on yourself and things don't work out. However, the law school you choose in the end doesn't determine your character; the way you react to set-backs does.  Giving up so easily on law school just because you got into #7 rather than #4 (US News rankings of course) is ridiculous, and says that 1) you're too immature to deal properly and rationally with disappointment and therefore shouldn't be going to law school this year anyway; or 2) you're a f*cking spoiled idiot. I really hope that you wake yourself up in the next few weeks and realize how unbelievably lucky you are. Not only do you have multiple decisions in, but those decisions are acceptances to fantastic schools.  Take a moment (or five) and count your blessings.

To Mpark: I'm not sure if you actually do feel for this guy. It's like you saying, I'm sorry but you deserve it because you're an idiot. Coem to think of it, that's quite cruel of Mpark to be like that. Awesome!

To OP: I hope that Duke/MIchigan/Boalt leapfrog Penn and Chicago in the rankings. We'll see how you feel then.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 08, 2007, 08:27:58 AM
Penn may have a one-slot advantage in the USWNR this year, but I think that UM and UVA (if not Boalt, too) are actually better programs overall.

This post is infuriating. I'm not even furious with the OP... just with the kind of digusting elitism the OP has fallen victim to. And believe me, it is something you are a VICTIM of. 

A tiny modicum of additional prestige is nothing to concern yourself over... to attach such a disturbing level of self-esteem to the difference between the #7 and #8 of HUNDREDS of law schools in the country is OBSCENE.

I feel sorry for you, OP. You must be a very empty person. I hope with time and maturity, you gain a little perspective.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on February 08, 2007, 09:30:27 AM
if Penn dropped to 8 and Michigan, Boalt or UVa went to 7, do you think he'd still want to go to Penn?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Johnny Stuffs His Mouth on February 08, 2007, 09:32:44 AM
if Penn dropped to 8 and Michigan, Boalt or UVa went to 7, do you think he'd still want to go to Penn?

I would guess yes. Penn is private = prestige. Penn is Ivy = double prestige. I would rather go to UVA over Penn anyway though, I think. I expect Penn to drop.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: h2xblive on February 08, 2007, 10:51:08 AM
The OP should make the same post at TLS.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: StudentUVA on February 08, 2007, 10:57:21 AM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?
I kind of feel the same way at this point but i didn't get accepted to so many t-14 schools. I think that after you work so hard on your gpa and lsat you feel that you deserve the best.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: LuvHurtz on February 08, 2007, 11:00:08 AM

I kind of feel the same way at this point but i didn't get accepted to so many t-14 schools. I think that after you work so hard on your gpa and lsat you feel that you deserve the best.

I agree. I think many people feel that way. I guess you just want your result to reflect the effort that you put in. This process can be very disappoiting and also an opportunity to learn some humility.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 08, 2007, 11:03:41 AM

I kind of feel the same way at this point but i didn't get accepted to so many t-14 schools. I think that after you work so hard on your gpa and lsat you feel that you deserve the best.

I agree. I think many people feel that way. I guess you just want your result to reflect the effort that you put in. This process can be very disappoiting and also an opportunity to learn some humility.

Something many prospective law students (and current law students) need desperately, IMHO.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: KingofNJersey1 on February 08, 2007, 11:04:30 AM
If it makes you feel any better, I got into Duke, Mich, UVA, NYU, CLS and Yale. That's it. Oh, I also got into Penn and Georgetown. I hope this helps.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 08, 2007, 11:10:09 AM

I agree. I think many people feel that way. I guess you just want your result to reflect the effort that you put in. This process can be very disappoiting and also an opportunity to learn some humility.

Something many prospective law students (and current law students) need desperately, IMHO.

If it makes you feel any better, I got into Duke, Mich, UVA, NYU, CLS and Yale. That's it. Oh, I also got into Penn and Georgetown. I hope this helps.

Case in point.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: LuvHurtz on February 08, 2007, 11:32:04 AM

I kind of feel the same way at this point but i didn't get accepted to so many t-14 schools. I think that after you work so hard on your gpa and lsat you feel that you deserve the best.

I agree. I think many people feel that way. I guess you just want your result to reflect the effort that you put in. This process can be very disappoiting and also an opportunity to learn some humility.

Something many prospective law students (and current law students) need desperately, IMHO.

I 100% agree with you.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 08, 2007, 04:45:11 PM
I sorta feel bad for the OP.

Even if the career differences between say Duke and CLS don't exist (they do) it's still depressing to spend years working hard and then just falling short, assuming this is what happened to the OP.  I didn't go to an elite college by the standards of this board, but to the vast majority of the population it was better ranked than anything they could get, but I still spent four years disappointed and wanting to do/be better.  If your dream is Yale and you get into Columbia I think you still have a right to be disappointed.  What is critical is what you do with this disappointment...will you give up and just quit or will you focus your time and energy into annihilating the curriculum at Mich/Duke/etc and graduate at the top of the class?

FWIW, Penn doesn't come close to Michigan, UVA, or the T6
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: LSAT Granddad on February 08, 2007, 05:22:46 PM
LSD effect. That is all I can say. I used to be happy with myself until I found LSD. ;)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 08, 2007, 05:30:01 PM
I sorta feel bad for the OP.

Even if the career differences between say Duke and CLS don't exist (they do) it's still depressing to spend years working hard and then just falling short, assuming this is what happened to the OP.  I didn't go to an elite college by the standards of this board, but to the vast majority of the population it was better ranked than anything they could get, but I still spent four years disappointed and wanting to do/be better.  If your dream is Yale and you get into Columbia I think you still have a right to be disappointed.  What is critical is what you do with this disappointment...will you give up and just quit or will you focus your time and energy into annihilating the curriculum at Mich/Duke/etc and graduate at the top of the class?

FWIW, Penn doesn't come close to Michigan, UVA, or the T6


Just so you know, the problem wasn't that he's disappointed, necessarily.

THIS was the problem:

Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?


So, in response, I gave him the appropriate answer to his question.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: bamf on February 08, 2007, 05:39:17 PM
I sorta feel bad for the OP.

Even if the career differences between say Duke and CLS don't exist (they do) it's still depressing to spend years working hard and then just falling short, assuming this is what happened to the OP.  I didn't go to an elite college by the standards of this board, but to the vast majority of the population it was better ranked than anything they could get, but I still spent four years disappointed and wanting to do/be better.  If your dream is Yale and you get into Columbia I think you still have a right to be disappointed.  What is critical is what you do with this disappointment...will you give up and just quit or will you focus your time and energy into annihilating the curriculum at Mich/Duke/etc and graduate at the top of the class?

FWIW, Penn doesn't come close to Michigan, UVA, or the T6


Just so you know, the problem wasn't that he's disappointed, necessarily.

THIS was the problem:

Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?


So, in response, I gave him the appropriate answer to his question.


True.  I understand that there is an initial disappointment when you dont get your dream school, but you cannot ingrain the US News rankings into your own definition of success ... the fact that the OP would rather go to Penn than Mich, in the face of the general sentiment that has been illustrated by the links in the last few pages of this thread, just shows how little perspective the OP really has.  Don't waste your energy "sorta" feeling bad ... you should probably be doing some reading, huh? :)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 08, 2007, 07:24:05 PM
I sorta feel bad for the OP.

Even if the career differences between say Duke and CLS don't exist (they do) it's still depressing to spend years working hard and then just falling short, assuming this is what happened to the OP.  I didn't go to an elite college by the standards of this board, but to the vast majority of the population it was better ranked than anything they could get, but I still spent four years disappointed and wanting to do/be better.  If your dream is Yale and you get into Columbia I think you still have a right to be disappointed.  What is critical is what you do with this disappointment...will you give up and just quit or will you focus your time and energy into annihilating the curriculum at Mich/Duke/etc and graduate at the top of the class?

FWIW, Penn doesn't come close to Michigan, UVA, or the T6


Just so you know, the problem wasn't that he's disappointed, necessarily.

THIS was the problem:

Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?


So, in response, I gave him the appropriate answer to his question.


True.  I understand that there is an initial disappointment when you dont get your dream school, but you cannot ingrain the US News rankings into your own definition of success ... the fact that the OP would rather go to Penn than Mich, in the face of the general sentiment that has been illustrated by the links in the last few pages of this thread, just shows how little perspective the OP really has.  Don't waste your energy "sorta" feeling bad ... you should probably be doing some reading, huh? :)

I agree about the USNWR stuff...and I think Penn sucks, but I acknowledge some people may prefer it over "better" schools, even those that are ranked higher.

Yeah...reading... :P

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: jimfoolery on February 08, 2007, 07:52:46 PM
And lo, the pity-mongerers pocketed their transcripts and test scores and relunctantly trudged off to their dirty hovels, still adamant they deserve better.  Then the haters stepped down from their grandstands, and the cacophony of recriminations grew quiet.  And as the light grew dim this tired, tired thread kicked off his *&^%-stained boots and laid his head on the soft grass to sleep. 


THE END
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Lampshade Punk on February 08, 2007, 08:31:02 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 08, 2007, 08:44:46 PM
Cant anyone see through the not so subtle Penn troll?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 08, 2007, 09:05:07 PM
Cant anyone see through the not so subtle Penn troll?

I did make a point of noting that it is less prestigious than Michigan.  And for that matter Virginia and probably still Boalt.

Sorry, but we disagree here
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 08, 2007, 09:42:58 PM
wow. the responses in this thread are the sort of thing that make me wonder if i shouldn't be going the phd-in-social-sciences route after all.
i find ivy's position very relatable, and i attribute most of my feelings to boards like this one. after being here long enough, i have really begun to feel like i will have failed if i don't wind up getting a jd from harvard.
it blows me away that some of the people on the board who appear to be most caught up in prestige-whore-o-mania are unsympathetic to where this person's coming from.

this is obviously tcr

sorry, /trolling
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: SilentSwirl on February 08, 2007, 09:44:51 PM

I kind of feel the same way at this point but i didn't get accepted to so many t-14 schools. I think that after you work so hard on your gpa and lsat you feel that you deserve the best.

I agree. I think many people feel that way. I guess you just want your result to reflect the effort that you put in. This process can be very disappoiting and also an opportunity to learn some humility.

Something many prospective law students (and current law students) need desperately, IMHO.

re: IMHO

This has always struck me as a little funny. Aren't you, by your very stipulation that you are being "humble", negating your own humbleness??
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 08, 2007, 09:49:38 PM
Cant anyone see through the not so subtle Penn troll?

I did make a point of noting that it is less prestigious than Michigan.  And for that matter Virginia and probably still Boalt.

Sorry, but we disagree here

I did indicate doubt.  ;)

Still, according to that Leiter link I posted ranking schools by the USNWR reputational scores, Berkeley does beat out Penn.  I'd imagine there's somewhat of a generational shift underway (just like older generations will presumably value Michigan more highly, and see a greater difference between Columbia and NYU).

Penn's reputation scores are pathetically low (for T14), but they are not the only factor to look at.  Boalt has lots of problems of its own including funding, relatively poor clerkship placement (although to be fair Penn is as bad if not worse in this regard), and relatively bad biglaw placement. 

The other thing that Boalt does that at least IMO is a bad idea is there "no grade" deal.  This works great for Yale because its Yale and so someone in the middle or even at the bottom of the class at Yale is still desirable.  Boalt on the other hand makes it very difficult for employers to figure out exactly where you stand (unless you are the very top or the very bottom).  Something like what 70-80% of the class is in the mushy middle?  Personally, if I was in the top-third I would want to be differentiated to give myself much better career options rather than being lumped in with people who are in the bottom-third.  This is an empirical question though, and I don't have any evidence just a hunch that this is a bad idea.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 08, 2007, 10:03:20 PM
Penn's reputation scores are pathetically low (for T14), but they are not the only factor to look at.

It's because they're good at gaming the rankings and everyone knows it.

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Boalt has lots of problems of its own including funding, relatively poor clerkship placement (although to be fair Penn is as bad if not worse in this regard), and relatively bad biglaw placement. 

The other thing that Boalt does that at least IMO is a bad idea is there "no grade" deal.  This works great for Yale because its Yale and so someone in the middle or even at the bottom of the class at Yale is still desirable.  Boalt on the other hand makes it very difficult for employers to figure out exactly where you stand (unless you are the very top or the very bottom).  Something like what 70-80% of the class is in the mushy middle?  Personally, if I was in the top-third I would want to be differentiated to give myself much better career options rather than being lumped in with people who are in the bottom-third.  This is an empirical question though, and I don't have any evidence just a hunch that this is a bad idea.

Okay.

I wasn't arguing which school is the best choice -- I was simply making a point about pure prestige, if we imagine that such a concept exists.  In response to a post saying something like "I have to get into Penn because I'm a prestige whore and I'll be a failure if I have to attend Michigan," my point being that Penn is in fact less prestigious than Michigan.  Penn is also a less prestigious institution than Virginia and, in my opinion, Berkeley, although I'd certainly consider that last contestable.  I wasn't making a claim about which is the best school or which places better in various areas, and my impression is that Penn is trending upward while Boalt trends downward.

Oh okay I thought the discussion was about the "best" school.

Pure prestige I don't know if any of those three schools beat Penn - they all probably trounce Penn with the "commoners" of society, but amongst people who know Penn is an Ivy its tough to compare that to three state schools...hrm what a conundrum...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 08, 2007, 10:14:24 PM
Which is the "best" in your opinion?  Virginia or Michigan I'd imagine, but I really couldn't say without doing my research.  And of course we'd have to define "best," i.e. best for what purpose (we might value faculty quality, student quality, elite firm placement, academic placement, and clerkship success, for example).

I'd have gone to Berkeley out of all of those, but I'll acknowledge that unless you want to be in Berkeley and assuming costs are the same, that probably would be the weakest choice of the four.

are you from California?

IMO Michigan is the best, but I could acknowledge that an argument could be made that UVA is the best.  I'd have a hard time buying an argument for either of the other two.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: spud1987 on February 08, 2007, 10:17:12 PM
Nevermind that the OP is probably flame.  I feel somewhat disappointed that I didn't get into HSCC or Boalt(my #1 choice).  However, it would be immature and foolish of me to whine about "settling" into UVA, Mich, etc.  In fact, I would be fine attending any one of the schools to which I applied (that's why I paid over $50 a piece to apply to them  :P ).  I guess what I'm saying is its okay to be disappointed (most of us should be if we aimed high enough  :) ).  Just don't be an ass about getting into great schools.  

PS I like the Penn discussion that the OP started with his "CCN and Penn" statement.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: vercingetorix on February 09, 2007, 07:28:58 AM
you are an inconsequential ninny...i wish you years of intractable genital pain for beginning this hilariously awful thread (even if you are kidding).  if, god save you, you are indeed being serious, do us all a favor and immediately pour yourself a nice hot bath and drown yourself.  on an unrelated note i saw you didn't apply to the university of south dakota, why pray tell?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Chandler Bing on February 09, 2007, 09:48:32 AM
Two women love me! My wallet is too small for my fifties and my diamond shoes are too tight!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2007, 10:25:01 AM
Two women love me! My wallet is too small for my fifties and my diamond shoes are too tight!

darn, and i thought i was the only one having this issue...what do you recommend?  I was going to have my butler follow me around with a briefcase full of them...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 09, 2007, 04:01:49 PM
its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: bamf on February 09, 2007, 04:07:18 PM
congrats.  but you still need to work on that prestige-whoring thing.
have fun with dworkin.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Pkorkis on February 09, 2007, 04:33:33 PM

hahaha wow.  ivy, you are a feminine hygiene product bag
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 09, 2007, 04:34:23 PM

hahaha wow.  ivy, you are a feminine hygiene product bag

harsh dood
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Chandler Bing on February 09, 2007, 04:34:30 PM
Two women love me! My wallet is too small for my fifties and my diamond shoes are too tight!

darn, and i thought i was the only one having this issue...what do you recommend?  I was going to have my butler follow me around with a briefcase full of them...

I invested in a reject from the Mr. T collection

I wear it around my wrist. I call it "the woman repeller"

(http://www.szaveri.com/full-images/bracelets-100343.jpg)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 09, 2007, 04:40:41 PM
its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2007, 04:44:34 PM
its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 09, 2007, 04:53:05 PM
its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

So you're saying that NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan? Please justify beyond USNews.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2007, 05:21:18 PM
its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

So you're saying that NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan? Please justify beyond USNews.

Yes - biglaw, clerkships, more famed profs, better speakers, i think they are more or less equal in academia.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 09, 2007, 05:48:53 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 09, 2007, 05:49:42 PM
And the troll finally cracks...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 09, 2007, 05:50:28 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 09, 2007, 05:51:42 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.

dude...he's a troll...don't feed him ;)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 09, 2007, 05:52:53 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.

dude...he's a troll...don't feed him ;)

MCB is wise.

ty  :-*
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 09, 2007, 05:55:28 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.


absolutely....but it is not in the same league as NYU. On a more serious note, I started this thread as 1/2 flame, 1/2 serious bewilderment over my disappointment with what are pretty decent, but nonetheless (apparently) disheartening options
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 09, 2007, 06:01:27 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.


absolutely....but it is not in the same league as NYU. On a more serious note, I started this thread as 1/2 flame, 1/2 serious bewilderment over my disappointment with what are pretty decent, but nonetheless (apparently) disheartening options

We're in the same boat I actually share your feelings but dare not voice them because I would get slaughtered.

Unfortunately I think the real prestige jump is to HYS. There seems no real difference between NYU and Michigan.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2007, 06:13:49 PM
its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

So you're saying that NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan? Please justify beyond USNews.

Yes - biglaw, clerkships, more famed profs, better speakers, i think they are more or less equal in academia.

It's the word "much" which is problematic.  Because the difference you're talking about... sorry, but it only works out like that from within the prestige-whore paradigm.

I didn't write the word "much" - the difference isnt't as small as you think

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2007, 06:15:44 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

This is also wrong.

nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.


absolutely....but it is not in the same league as NYU. On a more serious note, I started this thread as 1/2 flame, 1/2 serious bewilderment over my disappointment with what are pretty decent, but nonetheless (apparently) disheartening options

We're in the same boat I actually share your feelings but dare not voice them because I would get slaughtered.

Unfortunately I think the real prestige jump is to HYS. There seems no real difference between NYU and Michigan.

This is credited
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Cantillon on February 09, 2007, 06:50:30 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

Explain. Michigan still has top notch faculty and great placement.


absolutely....but it is not in the same league as NYU. On a more serious note, I started this thread as 1/2 flame, 1/2 serious bewilderment over my disappointment with what are pretty decent, but nonetheless (apparently) disheartening options

Even though you acknowledged that you're 1/2 flame, I would trade your Berkeley acceptance for my NYU one in a heartbeat.  I'm still waiting on Berkeley.  Damn, why does life have to work this way: giving people things they don't want.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2007, 11:51:06 PM
its all going to be ok guys, because I got into NYU today!!!!!! See you all next year in Greenwich Village!

Soon you'll realize that NYU isnt much better than Michigan or Boalt and you'll end up going to Michigan anyway.

this is wrong

So you're saying that NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan? Please justify beyond USNews.

Yes - biglaw, clerkships, more famed profs, better speakers, i think they are more or less equal in academia.

It's the word "much" which is problematic.  Because the difference you're talking about... sorry, but it only works out like that from within the prestige-whore paradigm.

I didn't write the word "much" - the difference isnt't as small as you think

It's in the text that you responded to (and without carving it out).

That is, from your posts, we can say that you have said:
1. NYU is much better than Michigan
2. NYU is in a totally different league than Michigan


I agree with 1 and 2 which say baically the same thing

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Unless you want to modify your position, don't make a show of noting that you didn't write the word (you did of course use the word).

I know what the difference is, both in terms of placement and in terms of faculty.  Like I said, statements (1) and (2) are true only from within the prestige-whore paradigm.  If it makes a big difference to you if you're working at Cravath instead of White & Case instead of Cahill, then maybe NYU is dramatically more good.  The same thing works on the quality -- oh no, excuse me, you're concerned with the fame -- of the professors.

There actually is a big difference between working at Cravath and Cahill - whether or not you acknowledge it.

Also, the fame of the professors is important.  A recommendation from a well known professor carries a hell of a lot more weight with judges and employers than a rec from a great teacher who is completely unknown.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Alamo on February 10, 2007, 06:30:08 AM
There actually is a big difference between working at Cravath and Cahill - whether or not you acknowledge it.

If you're a prestige whore, of course there is.  If you're not -- remind me, exactly what is the effectual difference?

Of course there's a difference - at Cravath, you get to work with more of the prestigious tools who were at the top of their classes at Harvard.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 08:33:39 AM
There actually is a big difference between working at Cravath and Cahill - whether or not you acknowledge it.

If you're a prestige whore, of course there is.  If you're not -- remind me, exactly what is the effectual difference?

The difference is that after 3-4 years at Cravath you get to leave and make millions of dollars at a hedge fund or in the alternative stay at Cravath for 6 or 7 years then leave to become a partner at Cahill or some other "lesser" firm.  At Cahill you don't get to do that.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 10, 2007, 11:09:23 AM
Even though you acknowledged that you're 1/2 flame, I would trade your Berkeley acceptance for my NYU one in a heartbeat.  I'm still waiting on Berkeley.  Damn, why does life have to work this way: giving people things they don't want.

I suppose if people didn't apply for the things they didn't want, they might not get them.

So what you're saying, Steve, is that the difference between attending NYU and attending Michigan is making millions of dollars on the one hand and a miserable existence on the other?  Right.  I'm sure that's true.

It's hard to believe he turned down that unique bounty of opportunity at NYU, isn't it?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: HippieLawChick on February 10, 2007, 11:39:30 AM
FYI: there is a huge difference between famous professors and GOOD professors.  Screw famous, just teach me what I need to know! 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 12:39:56 PM
So what you're saying, Steve, is that the difference between attending NYU and attending Michigan is making millions of dollars on the one hand and a miserable existence on the other?  Right.  I'm sure that's true.

Sigh... what to misconstrue what I said.

Life is about probabilities.  Your odds of going to "Cravath" to list one example are substantially higher from NYU than from Michigan.  Your odds of going from "Cravath" to a hedge fund where you could potentially make millions are higher than from "Cahill."  Therefore, your odds of going to said hedge fund from NYU are higher than from Michigan.

HTH. 

FYI: there is a huge difference between famous professors and GOOD professors.  Screw famous, just teach me what I need to know! 

This isn't really true; good professors are great - I think every professor I've had has been really good.  But its not as if they are teaching you how to draft a probate document or how to answer a motion.  Most of what they teach you isn't practical anyway, and to that end I'd rather have a guy (or girl) who can write me a kickass letter of rec to secure a much better clerkship.

Ideally, you want to have good + famous, but I think there is value in just being famous.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 01:41:59 PM
I hope steve.jd and CS4L hang out at Harvard.  The combined gravitic pull of their prestige-egos will put all of the 1Ls, as well as most of the 2 and 3Ls, and a handful of the faculty into orbit.  After a short time, they will all collapse upon each other creating the first man made black hole, ripping Cambridge into some space-time paradox before the black hole decays away to nothing...  Good bye.

TITCR.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 10, 2007, 02:27:28 PM
I hope steve.jd and CS4L hang out at Harvard.  The combined gravitic pull of their prestige-egos will put all of the 1Ls, as well as most of the 2 and 3Ls, and a handful of the faculty into orbit.  After a short time, they will all collapse upon each other creating the first man made black hole, ripping Cambridge into some space-time paradox before the black hole decays away to nothing...  Good bye.

Awww, it's always so reassuring to know I'm being considered by others.  Thanks Filet, you've made my day.


(My prestige-whoring is hardly a secret...  At least I'm open about it, unlike 99% of other LSD posters around here).
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 03:21:42 PM
I hope steve.jd and CS4L hang out at Harvard.  The combined gravitic pull of their prestige-egos will put all of the 1Ls, as well as most of the 2 and 3Ls, and a handful of the faculty into orbit.  After a short time, they will all collapse upon each other creating the first man made black hole, ripping Cambridge into some space-time paradox before the black hole decays away to nothing...  Good bye.

Who is CS4L?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 03:28:32 PM
So what you're saying, Steve, is that the difference between attending NYU and attending Michigan is making millions of dollars on the one hand and a miserable existence on the other?  Right.  I'm sure that's true.

Sigh... what to misconstrue what I said.

Life is about probabilities.  Your odds of going to "Cravath" to list one example are substantially higher from NYU than from Michigan.  Your odds of going from "Cravath" to a hedge fund where you could potentially make millions are higher than from "Cahill."  Therefore, your odds of going to said hedge fund from NYU are higher than from Michigan.

HTH. 

How about this?  Kill self you miserable uneducated prestige whore, HTFH.  Yes, I know, it's not your fault, you're young and immature and have an inferiority complex about your TTT undergrad, whatever, kill self twice, HTFH.  And because you're a braggart, kill self a third time for good measure.

HTH.


1.  Why am I "uneducated?"
2.  I've never bragged about anything on this board EVER - find a quote that says otherwise.

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Define "substantially higher."  Life is about probabilities, and you're saying that one's life will-- on average-- be much better if you attend NYU instead of Michigan because NYU's in a totally different league.  Tell me how the future of the average NYU student will vary from that of the average Michigan student in real terms instead of throwing around meaningless-but-extreme nondescriptive descriptors.


No one can define "substantially higher" its subjective, and yet most people subjectively decide that NYU > Mich since cross-admits overwhelmingly choose N.

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I don't know why you need scare quotes around "Cravath" and "Cahill," but "you" are "a" fucktard.  How much higher are your odds of going to a hedge fund from NYU rather than Michigan?  What are your overall odds to begin with?  And what is the difference at the margin?  If, as you're now suggesting, it's something of a sliding scale rather than sharp steps where the next step is poverty or non-partnership at a TTT firm in Detroit, what is the actual probable difference between NYU Student's future and Michigan Student's future?  You're the one making outrageous assertions-- back them up, you miserable excuse for a human being.

I need "scare" quotes because Cravath and Cahill are just place holders, you can switch them with any number of firms or other jobs.

I never suggested that it wasn't a sliding scale.

Wow, I don't even know who you are but you are easily one of the most bitter self-righteous assholes I've ever talked to.

If you don't like my advice or my views fine (although I notice neither you nor anyone else has asserted that Mich beats NYU in any major category), but I won't temper what I feel is the truth to make you feel better about yourself.  Wanna choose Michigan over N?  Fine, thats your perogative, but there are some people who want to see the situation from more than just your "your school doesn't matter all the T14 are the same" point of view.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 10, 2007, 03:32:57 PM
It's halfie.  Look out--they like to "out" people who they think are uneducated. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: mumbling2myself on February 10, 2007, 03:35:03 PM
Sometimes I find myself wondering if a pile of angora bunnies would be able to take down a Kasmir goat.

Part of me says, "hells yeah, those little bunnies are soft but their teeth are sharp as hell!" But another part says, "dude, get with it, goats eat all kinds of *&^%... it'd be a cute and downy-soft smörgåsbord for Mr. Goat."

Please, let me know if I'm right, so I can finally make an informed scarf purchase.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: nixon plays checkers on February 10, 2007, 03:48:19 PM
Didn't steve.jd get a BS in engineering?  That's pretty impressive.  O&n, you seem to be making a lot of ad hom remarks without really considering his position.  At least tell us why he's so stupid?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 10, 2007, 03:49:38 PM
O man.  In one post halfie has managed to take a swipe at government majors, the 50 million plus people who voted for George Bush, a Supreme Court justice,  and anyone who admits attending Harvard Law School.

*graps popcorn*
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 03:50:41 PM
1.  Why am I "uneducated?"
2.  I've never bragged about anything on this board EVER - find a quote that says otherwise.

1.  Because you've never been educated, obviously.  Why is that the case?  I don't know, you probably majored in government or something, and almost certainly you don't read-- these things don't help.
2.  Your sig, which has evidently been changed recently.


1. Engineering if you recall - you no doubt put my education to shame.
2. My sig says nothing but my school and grad year - is that bragging now?
   What if it said Cooley '09 is that bragging?

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No one can define "substantially higher" its subjective, and yet most people subjectively decide that NYU > Mich since cross-admits overwhelmingly choose N.

This may be the most retarded thing you've written yet.  Seriously, how does someone pull of HLS numbers while being-- literally-- a retard?


Clearly, how the vast majority of rational people think is irrelevant.  If I'm a retard what does that make you?

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I never suggested that it wasn't a sliding scale.

Let me guess, you can only comprehend Justice Thomas's jurisprudence


Wow, I don't even know who you are but you are easily one of the most bitter self-righteous assholes I've ever talked to.

If you don't like my advice or my views fine (although I notice neither you nor anyone else has asserted that Mich beats NYU in any major category), but I won't temper what I feel is the truth to make you feel better about yourself.  Wanna choose Michigan over N?  Fine, thats your perogative, but there are some people who want to see the situation from more than just your "your school doesn't matter all the T14 are the same" point of view.

Yes, you do know who I am.

Of course you believe it to be true.  You just don't know what you believe to be true, because you are unable to define it, but you do assert that it rests at least in part on an untenable premise.

Why are you so unwilling to admit that you're a prestige whore?  Like I said, your assertions may be true from the point of view of a prestige whore.

Never once did I assert that all the t14 are the same.  That would be stupid, and you seem to have a monopoly on stupidity here.  You can't do context, you can't do nuance... oh God, did you vote for George Bush? 
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I don't even know how to respond to this...must be a side-effect of my crappy education :(
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 10, 2007, 04:18:08 PM
Not saying you're wrong halfie--just that you managed to insult a lot of people in a very short span.  In fact, that's pretty impressive. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 04:19:55 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D)  

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.    
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 04:20:58 PM
1.  Why am I "uneducated?"
2.  I've never bragged about anything on this board EVER - find a quote that says otherwise.

1.  Because you've never been educated, obviously.  Why is that the case?  I don't know, you probably majored in government or something, and almost certainly you don't read-- these things don't help.
2.  Your sig, which has evidently been changed recently.

1. Engineering if you recall - you no doubt put my education to shame.
2. My sig says nothing but my school and grad year - is that bragging now?
   What if it said Cooley '09 is that bragging?

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No one can define "substantially higher" its subjective, and yet most people subjectively decide that NYU > Mich since cross-admits overwhelmingly choose N.

This may be the most retarded thing you've written yet.  Seriously, how does someone pull of HLS numbers while being-- literally-- a retard?

Clearly, how the vast majority of rational people think is irrelevant.  If I'm a retard what does that make you?

I meant the old sig, and the fact that you left it up all this time.  The current sig, if it is bragging (recall the Adehmar/Annabel sig argument), is clearly less so.  And I didn't remember that it was engineering, though perhaps I should have.

That makes me smarter than at least one HLS student.  Your argument is that the life-outlook for a NYU student is substantially better than that of a Michigan student, and then at the same time protest that you can't be asked to define what this means, but assert that it must be true because cross-admits tend to choose NYU over UM (ignoring possibilities such as: those people who applied to both schools would prefer to spend 3 years in NYC rather than Ann Arbor, or that they may wrongly believe that NYU places better than UM, or that even if they are correct and making the correct choice, the difference may in fact be marginal and not huge, as you have constantly claimed, or that they may prestige whores for whom it is terribly important to work at a V10 rather than V25 for no other reason than that it is a V10), while assuming that people make rational decisions and specifically that they are making a rational decision about this despite the fact that evidence tends to show that people do not make rational/informed decisions (you assume in part, I assume, that these people are more likely to be correctly informed and make rational decisions because they have high index scores).


1.  I dont spend that much time on this board - I don't know about any "sig" arguments
2.  My old sig was "3.95/173, Engineering" - wow what a braggart I am.  Basically in your view anyone who links to LSN and happens to have high numbers is bragging.
3.  There is loads of evidence anecdotal and otherwise that NYU places better than Mich.  Just take a look at their OCI date vs. Mich, take a look at their clerkship placement, take a look at how deep into their class these firms go, etc
4.  Looking at cross-admits is just one way of figuring what people think of the difference in these schools - believe it or not what people think does matter in the real world.  It's not the best way but its not completely worthless either.  Sure there is some self-selection of people wanting to be in NYC over Ann Arbor, but you're crazy if you think that preference describes the entire gap.  I bet people prefer NYC to New Haven as well - guess what?  They get over it.
5.  "That makes me smarter than at least one HLS student" - I think you should get over yourself; who is the braggart now?

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I never suggested that it wasn't a sliding scale.

Let me guess, you can only comprehend Justice Thomas's jurisprudence


Wow, I don't even know who you are but you are easily one of the most bitter self-righteous assholes I've ever talked to.

If you don't like my advice or my views fine (although I notice neither you nor anyone else has asserted that Mich beats NYU in any major category), but I won't temper what I feel is the truth to make you feel better about yourself.  Wanna choose Michigan over N?  Fine, thats your perogative, but there are some people who want to see the situation from more than just your "your school doesn't matter all the T14 are the same" point of view.

Yes, you do know who I am.

Of course you believe it to be true.  You just don't know what you believe to be true, because you are unable to define it, but you do assert that it rests at least in part on an untenable premise.

Why are you so unwilling to admit that you're a prestige whore?  Like I said, your assertions may be true from the point of view of a prestige whore.

Never once did I assert that all the t14 are the same.  That would be stupid, and you seem to have a monopoly on stupidity here.  You can't do context, you can't do nuance... oh God, did you vote for George Bush? 

I don't even know how to respond to this...must be a side-effect of my crappy education :(

Side-effect of your thinking process/abilities.  Which is a consequence of a lack of an education which teaches/forces one to think.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 04:22:42 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D) 

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.   

I don't understand what being young and inexperienced has to do with this argument whatsoever.

Furthermore, Halfie is just as young and in terms of work experience likely more inexperienced than I am, so I'm not sure what gives him the right to lecture me about it?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 04:24:43 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D) 

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.   

I don't understand what being young and inexperienced has to do with this argument whatsoever.

Furthermore, Halfie is just as young and in terms of work experience likely more inexperienced than I am, so I'm not sure what gives him the right to lecture me about it?

Save this thread, reread it in 10, or 5, or even 2 years, and you'll see the correlation.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 04:31:53 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D) 

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.   

I don't understand what being young and inexperienced has to do with this argument whatsoever.

Furthermore, Halfie is just as young and in terms of work experience likely more inexperienced than I am, so I'm not sure what gives him the right to lecture me about it?

Save this thread, reread it in 10, or 5, or even 2 years, and you'll see the correlation. 

I don't mean to offend you but this response is a cop-out.  It's like making the argument "I'm right because you're wrong" or "I'm right because I'm big and you're little" or others akin to that.

The argument I think that you want to make and correct me if I'm wrong is that money, prestige, and high paying jobs (or prestigious) ones aren't everything.  Thats a reasonable argument and reasonable people can disagree.  For some people it is everything and those people would be better off at N.


Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 04:36:00 PM
<----------Admitted to NYU and Michigan.

<----------Not going to NYU.


/just sayin'.

For the benefit of this discussion may I ask why?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 04:36:31 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D) 

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.   

I don't understand what being young and inexperienced has to do with this argument whatsoever.

Furthermore, Halfie is just as young and in terms of work experience likely more inexperienced than I am, so I'm not sure what gives him the right to lecture me about it?

Save this thread, reread it in 10, or 5, or even 2 years, and you'll see the correlation. 

I don't mean to offend you but this response is a cop-out.  It's like making the argument "I'm right because you're wrong" or "I'm right because I'm big and you're little" or others akin to that.

The argument I think that you want to make and correct me if I'm wrong is that money, prestige, and high paying jobs (or prestigious) ones aren't everything.  Thats a reasonable argument and reasonable people can disagree.  For some people it is everything and those people would be better off at N.

No, my argument would be better characterized as, "Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong - but either way, you're immature."
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 04:37:36 PM
No, my argument would be better characterized as, "Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong - but either way, you're immature."

Credited.

I would have added the word "an" before inmature and the word "brat" afterward, but what do I know.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 04:41:00 PM
From this thread, I have learned:

1. Every michigan graduate is destitute and lucky to afford the next hit of heroin.

2. Every NYU graduate is a millionaire hedge fund manager.

the more you know...

Truth is, I'd rather hang out with heroin addicts than hedge fund managers...and my life choices reflect this priority.  There you go!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 04:41:15 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D) 

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.   

I don't understand what being young and inexperienced has to do with this argument whatsoever.

Furthermore, Halfie is just as young and in terms of work experience likely more inexperienced than I am, so I'm not sure what gives him the right to lecture me about it?

Save this thread, reread it in 10, or 5, or even 2 years, and you'll see the correlation. 

I don't mean to offend you but this response is a cop-out.  It's like making the argument "I'm right because you're wrong" or "I'm right because I'm big and you're little" or others akin to that.

The argument I think that you want to make and correct me if I'm wrong is that money, prestige, and high paying jobs (or prestigious) ones aren't everything.  Thats a reasonable argument and reasonable people can disagree.  For some people it is everything and those people would be better off at N.

No, my argument would be better characterized as, "Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong - but either way, you're immature."

What did I say that made me "immature" - while Halfie was off on his character assination rant cursing and venting with no perceptible argument I made an actual argument.  Clearly, he is the mature one.

From this thread, I have learned:

1. Every michigan graduate is destitute and lucky to afford the next hit of heroin.

2. Every NYU graduate is a millionaire hedge fund manager.

the more you know...

I presume you gleamed these from Halfie since I said no such thing on either point.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 10, 2007, 04:41:23 PM
Thoughts of an observer in this melee: "damn steve is making o&n look like a complete feminine hygiene product"
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: sillyberry on February 10, 2007, 04:41:50 PM
From this thread, I have learned:

1. Every michigan graduate is destitute and lucky to afford the next hit of heroin.

2. Every NYU graduate is a millionaire hedge fund manager.

the more you know...

I didn't even apply to NYU.  Oops.

Too bad this thread didn't exist back in September!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 04:42:48 PM
From this thread, I have learned:

1. Every michigan graduate is destitute and lucky to afford the next hit of heroin.

2. Every NYU graduate is a millionaire hedge fund manager.

the more you know...

Where is heroin easier to come by, AA or NYC, per capita?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: monserrat on February 10, 2007, 04:45:12 PM
nyu is 10x the school michigan is. michigan is nowhere near as good as it used to be. it is the epitome of TTT in decline

thank goodness you won't be at michigan next year!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: sillyberry on February 10, 2007, 04:45:59 PM
I didn't even apply to NYU.  Oops.

Too bad this thread didn't exist back in September!

Yeah, you better take that Chicago offer.  Their grads at least know how to file the paperwork for food stamps.

Whew!!!  Thanks Slab of Meat - I feel much better now!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 04:49:57 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D) 

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.   

I don't understand what being young and inexperienced has to do with this argument whatsoever.

Furthermore, Halfie is just as young and in terms of work experience likely more inexperienced than I am, so I'm not sure what gives him the right to lecture me about it?

Save this thread, reread it in 10, or 5, or even 2 years, and you'll see the correlation. 

I don't mean to offend you but this response is a cop-out.  It's like making the argument "I'm right because you're wrong" or "I'm right because I'm big and you're little" or others akin to that.

The argument I think that you want to make and correct me if I'm wrong is that money, prestige, and high paying jobs (or prestigious) ones aren't everything.  Thats a reasonable argument and reasonable people can disagree.  For some people it is everything and those people would be better off at N.

No, my argument would be better characterized as, "Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong - but either way, you're immature."

What did I say that made me "immature" - while Halfie was off on his character assination rant cursing and venting with no perceptible argument I made an actual argument.  Clearly, he is the mature one.


It's a judgment call, really.  Sort of an aggregate POV drawn from more than a year's worth of your insufferably smug and silly posts.  Call it a Wickard Rule for LSD.   
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 04:52:12 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D) 

Steve, I would pay top dollar to be a fly on the wall at your job this summer, when you *finally*maybe* realize that you're really young and really inexperienced.   

I don't understand what being young and inexperienced has to do with this argument whatsoever.

Furthermore, Halfie is just as young and in terms of work experience likely more inexperienced than I am, so I'm not sure what gives him the right to lecture me about it?

Save this thread, reread it in 10, or 5, or even 2 years, and you'll see the correlation. 

I don't mean to offend you but this response is a cop-out.  It's like making the argument "I'm right because you're wrong" or "I'm right because I'm big and you're little" or others akin to that.

The argument I think that you want to make and correct me if I'm wrong is that money, prestige, and high paying jobs (or prestigious) ones aren't everything.  Thats a reasonable argument and reasonable people can disagree.  For some people it is everything and those people would be better off at N.

No, my argument would be better characterized as, "Perhaps you're right, perhaps you're wrong - but either way, you're immature."

What did I say that made me "immature" - while Halfie was off on his character assination rant cursing and venting with no perceptible argument I made an actual argument.  Clearly, he is the mature one.


It's a judgment call, really.  Sort of an aggregate POV drawn from more than a year's worth of your insufferably smug and silly posts.  Call it a Wickard Rule for LSD.   

Credited.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 10, 2007, 04:52:12 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Mr. Kurtz on February 10, 2007, 04:53:00 PM
WTF IS GOING ON IN THIS THREAD?

Someone recap.

And OP, if you're disappointed with your acceptances thus far, spend one hour after reading this post sulking about it.  Then buckle down and kick ass in law school.  If you do anything else, don't complain because right now you have the power to set your own course and you damned well better use it.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 04:55:38 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't think anyone chiming in here begrudges Mr. .jd his spot at Harvard.  

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: monserrat on February 10, 2007, 05:00:45 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I don't think anyone hating on steve jd is insecure or jealous of his harvard seat, but i can say in my honest opinion that he usually comes off as pretentious.  obviously this can be misinterpreted online, but after months of seeing him post, i'm thinking i didn't misinterpret every single post, but just gaged his personality.  it's fing annoying when someone pops their head in every fing post to give us his/her abounding knowledge.  oh, how lucky we are.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 10, 2007, 05:01:45 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't think anyone chiming in here begrudges Mr. .jd his spot at Harvard.  



Either this person has shown himself to be a complete ass in other posts previously or everyone is being very insecure. Nothing he has said is deserving of this hatred. It leads me to believe that everyone here is a complete prestige whore and completely envious of steves position.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: JuanTwoThree on February 10, 2007, 05:02:22 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I don't think anyone hating on steve jd is insecure or jealous of his harvard seat, but i can say in my honest opinion that he usually comes off as pretentious.  obviously this can be misinterpreted online, but after months of seeing him post, i'm thinking i didn't misinterpret every single post, but just gaged his personality.  it's fing annoying when someone pops their head in every fing post to give us his/her abounding knowledge.  oh, how lucky we are.

I believe I directly prompted the guy.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 05:02:58 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't think anyone chiming in here begrudges Mr. .jd his spot at Harvard.  



Either this person has shown himself to be a complete ass in other posts previously or everyone is being very insecure. Nothing he has said is deserving of this hatred. It leads me to believe that everyone here is a complete prestige whore and completely envious of steves position.


Bingo!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: UChi2L on February 10, 2007, 05:03:51 PM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

You are going to be so annoying when you get to law school.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: monserrat on February 10, 2007, 05:05:44 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I don't think anyone hating on steve jd is insecure or jealous of his harvard seat, but i can say in my honest opinion that he usually comes off as pretentious.  obviously this can be misinterpreted online, but after months of seeing him post, i'm thinking i didn't misinterpret every single post, but just gaged his personality.  it's fing annoying when someone pops their head in every fing post to give us his/her abounding knowledge.  oh, how lucky we are.

I believe I directly prompted the guy.

maybe in this post, but this usually isn't the case
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 10, 2007, 05:06:14 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't think anyone chiming in here begrudges Mr. .jd his spot at Harvard.  



I, for one, am thrilled he ended up there. Cityslicker, I wish nothing more for you than to love it at Harvard during the ASW and to withdraw from CLS immediately.



Aww Demingh, do I really deserve such a backhanded wish for happiness?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: mumbling2myself on February 10, 2007, 05:09:07 PM
Will no one help me with my scarf?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 10, 2007, 05:10:18 PM

Aww Demingh, do I really deserve such a backhanded wish for happiness?

Absolutely. My gift, from me to you.

And just for some closure, why do I deserve it?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 05:13:19 PM
As usual, I agree with halfie (although - as usual - he's been a touch more, umm, colorful in expressing his view than I probably would have been. :D)  

I bet people used to like me more when Adehmar was around.  Because he always ended up going bad cop and I was the nice one.  :D


And there you have it.  Ade was my boy, too.  Just because I'm too nicey-nice most of the time to tell it like it is, doesn't mean I won't howl with glee when someone else does.  Bonus points if it's someone I like. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 05:14:37 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't think anyone chiming in here begrudges Mr. .jd his spot at Harvard.  



I, for one, am thrilled he ended up there. Cityslicker, I wish nothing more for you than to love it at Harvard during the ASW and to withdraw from CLS immediately.



Okay, to be fair, I think that while both are prestige whores, Cityslicker is a prestige whore of a much less offensive character that steve.jd. Cityslicker admits to it, and he's generally good-humored, respectful, and not terribly self-aggrandizing.

steve.jd, on the other hand, never fails to come across badly. He is offensively arrogant, ambitious, grandiose, elitist, and so high-handed in expressing his opinions (of which all of the above descriptors are usually apt) at every possible opportunity as to leave him open to public mockery.

steve.jd is obviously insecure, immature, and over-inflated. I object to his presence on this planet, let alone this forum. He is a tool.

In summation: Steve.jd, please DIAF.

XOXOHTH

Just kidding, of course...  ;)

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 10, 2007, 05:16:10 PM

Okay, to be fair, I think that while both are prestige whores, Cityslicker is a prestige whore of a much less offensive character that steve.jd. Cityslicker admits to it, and he's generally good-humored, respectful, and not terribly self-aggrandizing.

I wholly agree, thank you for the fair characterization.  It's all I asked for.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 10, 2007, 05:21:46 PM

2.  My old sig was "3.95/173, Engineering" - wow what a braggart I am.  Basically in your view anyone who links to LSN and happens to have high numbers is bragging.

See also, "Are you KIDDING me?"

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To be fair, I think his "Are you KIDDING me?" comment was more directed at his own surprise, and wasn't meant to be whorish in any way.  Most, if not all, people would be surprised to get into any top school.  I can think of few people who have no exhibited at least some amount of surprise at their own success.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 05:22:39 PM
1.  I dont spend that much time on this board - I don't know about any "sig" arguments

You don't??

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2.  My old sig was "3.95/173, Engineering" - wow what a braggart I am.  Basically in your view anyone who links to LSN and happens to have high numbers is bragging.

See also, "Are you KIDDING me?"

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3.  There is loads of evidence anecdotal and otherwise that NYU places better than Mich.  Just take a look at their OCI date vs. Mich, take a look at their clerkship placement, take a look at how deep into their class these firms go, etc

Do you even remember the context of this argument?  Your job is to demonstrate that, on average, you will be "much" better off if you attend NYU instead of UM, and that this has to be done in real terms without regard for prestige (i.e., how likely are you to get job X from each school, and if you only get job Y from UM, how will this actually affect your future without considering prestige?).

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5.  "That makes me smarter than at least one HLS student" - I think you should get over yourself; who is the braggart now?

With all due respect, I hardly think that claiming to be smarter than you constitutes bragging.
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I LOL'd.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 05:27:30 PM

thank god that steve j.d. is f-in' ugly

i'll pull more tail droppin' my food stamps than he will spendin' his benjamins

credited

i'd be obsessed w/ making "millions" at "hedge fund" too
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 05:29:00 PM

thank god that steve j.d. is f-in' ugly

i'll pull more tail droppin' my food stamps than he will spendin' his benjamins

Benjamins? I doubt it. As soon as he gets out of school, steve.jd is going to run headfirst into the realization that his fabulous alma mater can't compensate for his putrid personality. He's got leadership potential roughly equivalent to a toilet brush. Perpetual associate in the making!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 05:29:17 PM
Interesting. Those who know me on this board can assure you I have been holding back my opinion for months now, and I think I've done a pretty decent job of doing so. But hey, since you asked - 

Slicka - you're an insufferable a$$hole. Of course, this comes as no new news to you, but I see you've grown accustomed to this personality and are unlikely to break out of that shell.

Given all the opportunities and accomplishments of your life, you have an astoundingly short and narrow world-view. While steve's utter ridiculousness can be passed off as the unfortunate side-effect of a silver spoon up his a$$, I struggle to understand how you could be so simple-minded. In this, I find greater disgust.

Your opinions and contributions to this board can be summed up easily.

1. I am utterly and solely deserving of all that comes my way. 
2. Therefore my prestige-whoreness is justified.
3. HLS being the ultimate in prestige. Oh my, must it terribly sad to be the rest of you, but don't worry I will attack your pitiful choices nonetheless. 

In fact, if you want to use that summary instead of the pointless drivel you typically post, I'm perfectly fine relinquishing the rights to it.


I wish Mike245 could sit you down and teach you a lesson in humility and gratitude, but Mike has done enough good in this world that I wouldn't punish him like that.


So, now that I have given you my blessing of a happy and full life at Harvard, can you please do me the favor of withdrawing from Columbia? Although I know the chances are slim to none that you would lower yourself to the TTT of CLS, I do live in a mildly constant fear that I would have to deal with you on a daily basis.


Wow, and so close to Valentines Day too.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 10, 2007, 05:31:48 PM

Aww Demingh, do I really deserve such a backhanded wish for happiness?

Absolutely. My gift, from me to you.

And just for some closure, why do I deserve it?

Interesting. Those who know me on this board can assure you I have been holding back my opinion for months now, and I think I've done a pretty decent job of doing so. But hey, since you asked - 

Slicka - you're an insufferable a$$hole. Of course, this comes as no new news to you, but I see you've grown accustomed to this personality and are unlikely to break out of that shell.

Given all the opportunities and accomplishments of your life, you have an astoundingly short and narrow world-view. While steve's utter ridiculousness can be passed off as the unfortunate side-effect of a silver spoon up his a$$, I struggle to understand how you could be so simple-minded. In this, I find greater disgust.

Your opinions and contributions to this board can be summed up easily.

1. I am utterly and solely deserving of all that comes my way. 
2. Therefore my prestige-whoreness is justified.
3. HLS being the ultimate in prestige. Oh my, must it terribly sad to be the rest of you, but don't worry I will attack your pitiful choices nonetheless. 

In fact, if you want to use that summary instead of the pointless drivel you typically post, I'm perfectly fine relinquishing the rights to it.


I wish Mike245 could sit you down and teach you a lesson in humility and gratitude, but Mike has done enough good in this world that I wouldn't punish him like that.


So, now that I have given you my blessing of a happy and full life at Harvard, can you please do me the favor of withdrawing from Columbia? Although I know the chances are slim to none that you would lower yourself to the TTT of CLS, I do live in a mildly constant fear that I would have to deal with you on a daily basis.


Proof?  I've never attempted to hide my prestige whoring, but I have never derided anyone for the choices they're making.  I also never implied or said in any way that CLS was a TTT (My opinion couldn't be further from that).  I'm curious as to how you've developed such an extreme hatred of me. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 05:32:25 PM

Aww Demingh, do I really deserve such a backhanded wish for happiness?

Absolutely. My gift, from me to you.

And just for some closure, why do I deserve it?

Interesting. Those who know me on this board can assure you I have been holding back my opinion for months now, and I think I've done a pretty decent job of doing so. But hey, since you asked - 

Slicka - you're an insufferable a$$hole. Of course, this comes as no new news to you, but I see you've grown accustomed to this personality and are unlikely to break out of that shell.

Given all the opportunities and accomplishments of your life, you have an astoundingly short and narrow world-view. While steve's utter ridiculousness can be passed off as the unfortunate side-effect of a silver spoon up his a$$, I struggle to understand how you could be so simple-minded. In this, I find greater disgust.

Your opinions and contributions to this board can be summed up easily.

1. I am utterly and solely deserving of all that comes my way. 
2. Therefore my prestige-whoreness is justified.
3. HLS being the ultimate in prestige. Oh my, must it terribly sad to be the rest of you, but don't worry I will attack your pitiful choices nonetheless. 

In fact, if you want to use that summary instead of the pointless drivel you typically post, I'm perfectly fine relinquishing the rights to it.


I wish Mike245 could sit you down and teach you a lesson in humility and gratitude, but Mike has done enough good in this world that I wouldn't punish him like that.


So, now that I have given you my blessing of a happy and full life at Harvard, can you please do me the favor of withdrawing from Columbia? Although I know the chances are slim to none that you would lower yourself to the TTT of CLS, I do live in a mildly constant fear that I would have to deal with you on a daily basis.



Wow. I stand in awe of your grandeur. Bravo! Bravisimo!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Mr. Kurtz on February 10, 2007, 05:39:49 PM
oh shut up, red.

wow you're mean.

maybe i misinterpreted your comment.  :-\

Never apologize to her, or even look like you're doing so.  She'll take it as a sign of weakness and an opportunity to rip out your jugular.  Then she'll dance on your corpse.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ivy07 on February 10, 2007, 05:52:24 PM
I motherfing love how this thread has turned out. Brilliant. FLAMEWARS bitcchez
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 10, 2007, 05:53:43 PM
Strangely enough I'm with Steve...it would take too long for thorough justification but just think "Fobby-girl-with-typical-immigrant-insecurity" and extrapolate from there...

Also, Halfie it's time for some Demar-closure...just let it go papi...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 05:57:59 PM
I motherfing love how this thread has turned out. Brilliant. FLAMEWARS bitcchez

A flame war every now and then is cathartic. Good for the soul.

Now, scurry back to xoxohth with all the rest of the cockroaches.

 :D
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Mr. Kurtz on February 10, 2007, 05:58:51 PM
The name's Kurtz.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 10, 2007, 07:46:10 PM
It's a judgment call, really.  Sort of an aggregate POV drawn from more than a year's worth of your insufferably smug and silly posts.  Call it a Wickard Rule for LSD.   


TITCR

This is why I stopped paying attention to you/responding to you months ago when you weren't yet attending LS.  I honestly think you're completely naive to your own self-righteousness.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 10, 2007, 09:31:33 PM
It's halfie.  Look out--they like to "out" people who they think are uneducated. 

In your case we'll hope it leads to actually educating yourself.

But I'd say Steve Blowjob is f-cked indefinitely.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: dashrashi on February 10, 2007, 09:42:28 PM
Gengis--help me out. Who's meiji? Is THAT red.? I try so hard!

Also--I'm legitimately interested in why you're so set on Mich (if only because you're like so totally my favorite poster OMG and I want to meet you at NYU or wherever omg lolz). After all, isn't the place tainted with Coulter-stench ;-)?

(Although Sarah Zearfoss was one of the nicest adcomms I met. But she didn't send me a letter telling me she loved me, and I only had 2 LORs, so our love was a doomed love. Sad.)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 10, 2007, 09:45:45 PM
Gengis--help me out. Who's meiji? Is THAT red.? I try so hard!

Also--I'm legitimately interested in why you're so set on Mich (if only because you're like so totally my favorite poster OMG and I want to meet you at NYU or wherever omg lolz). After all, isn't the place tainted with Coulter-stench ;-)?

(Although Sarah Zearfoss was one of the nicest adcomms I met. But she didn't send me a letter telling me she loved me, and I only had 2 LORs, so our love was a doomed love. Sad.)


meiji is the real redemption (aka red.).  The poster who NOW posts as "red." is actually breadboy, a racist, elitist troll.  They're opposites.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: dashrashi on February 10, 2007, 09:47:35 PM
Gengis--help me out. Who's meiji? Is THAT red.? I try so hard!

Also--I'm legitimately interested in why you're so set on Mich (if only because you're like so totally my favorite poster OMG and I want to meet you at NYU or wherever omg lolz). After all, isn't the place tainted with Coulter-stench ;-)?

(Although Sarah Zearfoss was one of the nicest adcomms I met. But she didn't send me a letter telling me she loved me, and I only had 2 LORs, so our love was a doomed love. Sad.)


meiji is the real redemption (aka red.).  The poster who NOW posts as "red." is actually breadboy, a racist, elitist troll.  They're opposites.


But you're J! I got one! [bounces up and down in chair] Mom, I'm really starting to get it!

(thank you. she should probably sue him, especially for that horrible sig with the bats flying around?)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 10, 2007, 09:50:00 PM
I like the sig.  It ensures I never mistake him for someone else. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 10, 2007, 10:36:25 PM
It's a judgment call, really.  Sort of an aggregate POV drawn from more than a year's worth of your insufferably smug and silly posts.  Call it a Wickard Rule for LSD.   

This post is reminds me why you are, shall we say, T6.  By which I mean, of course, destined for greatness.  And millions.

Also, Halfie it's time for some Demar-closure...just let it go papi...

Oh, Brer, you really must come around more often.

okay, who are you?  you're too funny to be stan.

lolz

NYU!  (My new seal of approval)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 10:49:11 PM

2.  My old sig was "3.95/173, Engineering" - wow what a braggart I am.  Basically in your view anyone who links to LSN and happens to have high numbers is bragging.

See also, "Are you KIDDING me?"


To be fair, I think his "Are you KIDDING me?" comment was more directed at his own surprise, and wasn't meant to be whorish in any way.  Most, if not all, people would be surprised to get into any top school.  I can think of few people who have no exhibited at least some amount of surprise at their own success.
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this is right
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 10:51:24 PM
<----------Admitted to NYU and Michigan.

<----------Not going to NYU.


/just sayin'.

For the benefit of this discussion may I ask why?

Because it seems like a better fit for my personality.  Besides, all the cool kids are goin' there ;).

But seriously, what you really want to know (it seems) is why am I not BOTHERED by going to Michigan over NYU.  Mainly I don't percieve the vast differences in prestige you're claiming.  If we can use SCOTUS clerkships as one example, flawed though it may be, NYU and Michigan place roughly the same.  The pure prestige rankings halfie (at least I think it was halfie) posted earlier in this very thread ranked NYU . . . what?  One place higher?  Big whoop.  I mean, the biggest difference between NYU and Michigan seems to come from everyone's favorite rankings whipping boy: US NEWS.  And speaking of prestige -at OCIs, the only V10 firms I can think of off the top of my head who DON'T interview at Michigan are Cleary and Wachtell . . . yes, mighty Cravath (with whom you seem obsessed, though lord only knows why, since all of their associates seem to hate the place) slogs out to Ann Arbor every year to interview Michigan students.  Surely they aren't wasting their time when they can (and do) just take a car 30 blocks for NYU?   

No, please dont miscontrue the question - I really did just want to know your subjective reasons.  The rest of your post has flaws that I could respond to as well but then I guess I'd be a prestige whore - good luck at Michigan.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 10:52:54 PM

thank god that steve j.d. is f-in' ugly

i'll pull more tail droppin' my food stamps than he will spendin' his benjamins

Benjamins? I doubt it. As soon as he gets out of school, steve.jd is going to run headfirst into the realization that his fabulous alma mater can't compensate for his putrid personality. He's got leadership potential roughly equivalent to a toilet brush. Perpetual associate in the making!

lol @ bolded

howevah, if the law gig ain't workin' for him i heard he can make like eight hundred dollars and hour programmin' 'puters

Who are you? 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 10:56:41 PM
This is exactly the reason why many people loathe LSD and prefer to stay on Xoxo. I ask a serious question. Steve.jd gives me a serious answer. Haters and insecures jump on his ass for him speaking his mind.

I'm sorry not everyone can go to Harvard. Its very classless to hate someone simply because they go there.

I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but I don't think anyone chiming in here begrudges Mr. .jd his spot at Harvard. 



I, for one, am thrilled he ended up there. Cityslicker, I wish nothing more for you than to love it at Harvard during the ASW and to withdraw from CLS immediately.



Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you?  Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 10:59:03 PM

thank god that steve j.d. is f-in' ugly

i'll pull more tail droppin' my food stamps than he will spendin' his benjamins

Benjamins? I doubt it. As soon as he gets out of school, steve.jd is going to run headfirst into the realization that his fabulous alma mater can't compensate for his putrid personality. He's got leadership potential roughly equivalent to a toilet brush. Perpetual associate in the making!

lol @ bolded

howevah, if the law gig ain't workin' for him i heard he can make like eight hundred dollars and hour programmin' 'puters

Who are you? 

i've been around.  you're pretentious postings pissed me off

Do I know you?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 10, 2007, 11:03:31 PM
Did LSD get all snappy around this time last year, too?

I don't remember, but it is helping me with my resolution to hang out less.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 10, 2007, 11:04:45 PM
Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you?  Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.


See, this is why nobody likes you.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:11:10 PM
As a general matter - this thread annoys me.  I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J. 

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league.  Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks.  I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class.  I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did.  I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years).  You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you?  Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.


See, this is why nobody likes you.


Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 10, 2007, 11:17:15 PM
LSD is the land of girl-crushes, you see.

The agony and the ecstasy!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: dashrashi on February 10, 2007, 11:22:09 PM
Gengis--help me out. Who's meiji? Is THAT red.? I try so hard!

What J said.  And I presume to speak for no one else, but I know you're doing way better than I was when I was at your post count a few short months ago . . . I still have a 2-3 day lag time when ever someone changes identities.

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Also--I'm legitimately interested in why you're so set on Mich (if only because you're like so totally my favorite poster OMG and I want to meet you at NYU or wherever omg lolz). After all, isn't the place tainted with Coulter-stench ;-)?

Well, hot damn. :-* :-* :-*

(I'm sure I'm not your favorite really dash, but while you still don't know everybody, I'm gonna go ahead and live that up.  LSD is the land of girl-crushes, you see.)

I like to think of Coulter ( >:() as an aberration and besides, my bad feminist part thinks it's really funny that Coulter and Mackinnon are affiliated with the same school.  Which is pretty much the only part of my day when I consider attending NYU, because there at least someone known is actually pro-porn.  But whatever, I hold that odds are, for me in this instance, there's a better learning experience to be had with faculty with whom I disagree.  I will freely and gladly RA for CM, if only she'd have me.

I suppose it's weird, especially on LSD, to be in any way instinctive about the law process, but simply, everything about Michigan has clicked.  I said I'd only apply where it was free, and they sent me a waiver.  I said I'd only go if I could summer start, and that's my section.  I said, no really, I'll only go if they give me money, and they have.  And when I balked at the chill of Ann Arbor, I encountered some of the warmest people I've had a chance to meet in an academic setting.  I know it isn't a common view in these parts, but I refuse to spend three years of my life even vaguely unhappy or dissatisfied, all for the sake of a marginally/arguably/debatably better name, mostly because that name will only take me so far - I'm still gonna have to do the rest myself.  Insert tired cliche regarding the transience of life here.  So, eh, it's not everyone's choice and shouldn't be, but it works for me.

I might go to an NYU ASW just to hang out, if it makes you feel better. ;) :D

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(Although Sarah Zearfoss was one of the nicest adcomms I met. But she didn't send me a letter telling me she loved me, and I only had 2 LORs, so our love was a doomed love. Sad.)

Wait, what's that got to do with anything?  I only had one. ;)




(And dash, you got two - you know Meat!)

Wait. *&^%. Is Meat halfie?

I feel you 100% on atmosphere. I really feel like I don't want to make ANY decisions until ASWs. Unfortunately the bf's job search doesn't work that way. Also of course I have become a bad person and prestige whore in the four months since I took the LSAT.

I think Mich recommended three, and I had a bad experience trying to solicit my third letter, which sort of put me off my stride. Also job opps for the bf would have been more difficult in AA. Nevertheless, my Michigan sweatshirt remains my favorite, if only because the head hole is big enough for me to get my noggin through without knocking off my glasses.

(No, not the glasses in the tar. Although...not wholly different.)

See you in New York? Please? Okay great.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: dashrashi on February 10, 2007, 11:27:42 PM
Wait. *&^%. Is Meat halfie?

Strangely, I've gotten this a few times before.  Not sure if it's a good thing or bad.   :-\

Oh. I get it. (Also something about Roast Beast? Is that you?)

EDIT: See, this is why I love Gengis. Not afraid to interrupt a pile-on for some meta-identification. SO HELPFUL. Also she writes a mean recap.

EDIT Part Deux: technically I interrupted. Carry on! As you were!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 11:29:22 PM
As a general matter - this thread annoys me.  I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J. 

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league.  Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks.  I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class.  I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did.  I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years).  You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you?  Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.


See, this is why nobody likes you.


Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.


Once again, you have proven your superlative capacity to completely and utterly miss the point. Somehow, you manage to read this whole thread and STILL maintain the ridiculous conviction that people hate you because you got to Harvard.

Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

NOBODY CARES about your six-figure salary offers or Harvard bull. That stuff impresses people for about 30 seconds... just long enough for you to open you mouth and prove what an irredeemable bag of hot air you are. Blow it out your ass, man. God knows you adore the smell of your own hot gases anyhow.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:30:12 PM

No, please dont miscontrue the question - I really did just want to know your subjective reasons.  The rest of your post has flaws that I could respond to as well but then I guess I'd be a prestige whore - good luck at Michigan.



And this is what I get for being not mean?  Well, you could attend to my empirical flaws (Where?  At least I know of a source apiece that will back me up on what I said, which is more than, thus far, you've given evidence of being able to do), but then you'd be copping to you prestige whoredom?  So, did you just admit you're a p-ho, or is being that patronizing a special gift, entirely unrelated to your choice of schooling or feelings about anyone else's?

http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/ciolli.final.pdf - Shows NYU has better firm placement than Mich

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2005faculty_impact_cites.shtml - ranking NYU's faculty as better than Mich

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/1996_06_scotus_clerks.shtml - this page shows Leiter's view of "SCOTUS" rankings, Mich and NYU are tied from 1996-2006 but Mich did much better from 1991-2005 implying that NYU is getting better if you look at more recent data while Mich is getting worse

NYU also has higher entering LSAT/GPA ranges whatever stock you may put into that.

Leiter also has NYU tied for academia placement with Mich.

So, NYU beats Mich in firm placement, faculty and student quality, is arguably beating them in clerkships, and is tied for academia.  Have I missed any categories?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:34:00 PM
As a general matter - this thread annoys me.  I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J. 

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league.  Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks.  I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class.  I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did.  I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years).  You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you?  Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.


See, this is why nobody likes you.


Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.


Once again, you have proven your superlative capacity to completely and utterly miss the point. Somehow, you manage to read this whole thread and STILL maintain the ridiculous conviction that people hate you because you got to Harvard.

Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

NOBODY CARES about your six-figure salary offers or Harvard bull. That stuff impresses people for about 30 seconds... just long enough for you to open you mouth and prove what an irredeemable bag of hot air you are. Blow it out your ass, man. God knows you adore the smell of your own hot gases anyhow.

For the record, I never once said or even implied that anyone hates me because I go to H.  For the record, I don't know nor care why any of you hate me - like I said before this is an anonymous message board and I don't take it nearly as seriously as you do.  I'm also not out to impress anyone other than myself.  I do things because I feel they are better for me - I could care less what you think about my choices.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:35:31 PM

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2005faculty_impact_cites.shtml - ranking NYU's faculty as better than Mich
 

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

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And the SCOTUS rankings are so similar in both terms as to be laughable; your interpretation doesn't account for NYU's larger class size either.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:37:41 PM

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2005faculty_impact_cites.shtml - ranking NYU's faculty as better than Mich
 

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

Do you have a better or alternative ranking?

It's a lot easier to find methodological flaws (which exist in any rankings system) than to create a better one.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:39:14 PM

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2005faculty_impact_cites.shtml - ranking NYU's faculty as better than Mich
 

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

Do you have a better or alternative ranking?

It's a lot easier to find methodological flaws (which exist in any rankings system) than to create a better one.

I'll find one that shows the opposite of what you are arguing... it would be just as meaningless.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:41:50 PM

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2005faculty_impact_cites.shtml - ranking NYU's faculty as better than Mich
 

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

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And the SCOTUS rankings are so similar in both terms as to be laughable; your interpretation doesn't account for NYU's larger class size either.

Umm no, Leiter accounts for class size - he takes clerks over class size in the recent decade its .04 for both


http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2005faculty_impact_cites.shtml - ranking NYU's faculty as better than Mich
 

"Since many frequently cited articles are cited because they contain succinct statements of boilerplate propositions of law or of a particular academic approach to some set of issues, or because they fall squarely within a particular academic paradigm whose proponents make a practice of citing each other, the frequency of an author's citations has little to do with his influence, much less with the quality of his work. "

Do you have a better or alternative ranking?

It's a lot easier to find methodological flaws (which exist in any rankings system) than to create a better one.

I'll find one that shows the opposite of what you are arguing... it would be just as meaningless.

Talk is cheap - please find one.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:44:09 PM
From the XOXOHTH / autoadmit PDF link:

"schools such as the University of Michigan,
the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Washington, and countless others that send significant
portions of their student body to secondary markets are severely underrated in my study"

p12
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:45:30 PM
Talk is cheap - please find one.
Easy.  You gave me the site:

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2006aaasmembership.shtml

Just as meaningless.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:46:06 PM
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Umm no, Leiter accounts for class size - he takes clerks over class size in the recent decade its .04 for both

Right, and your comparison of the two time periods ignores this ratio.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 11:47:19 PM
As a general matter - this thread annoys me.  I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J. 

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league.  Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks.  I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class.  I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did.  I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years).  You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you?  Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.


See, this is why nobody likes you.


Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.


Once again, you have proven your superlative capacity to completely and utterly miss the point. Somehow, you manage to read this whole thread and STILL maintain the ridiculous conviction that people hate you because you got to Harvard.

Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

NOBODY CARES about your six-figure salary offers or Harvard bull. That stuff impresses people for about 30 seconds... just long enough for you to open you mouth and prove what an irredeemable bag of hot air you are. Blow it out your ass, man. God knows you adore the smell of your own hot gases anyhow.

For the record, I never once said or even implied that anyone hates me because I go to H.  For the record, I don't know nor care why any of you hate me - like I said before this is an anonymous message board and I don't take it nearly as seriously as you do.  I'm also not out to impress anyone other than myself.  I do things because I feel they are better for me - I could care less what you think about my choices.

That's very good for you, man. It's good to be self-defined and all that. But you really don't need to be a condescending, self-righteous prat all the damn time. You don't care what people think of you? That's fine. But there's a difference between being independent of other people's expectations and treating everyone around you like a lesser life-form. You want people to respect you? Develop some compassion and humility.

The people who get real respect and admiration are the ones who achieve enough to impress others without becoming smug, self-satisfied, and superior.

Your ego has outgrown you.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:48:43 PM
From the XOXOHTH / autoadmit PDF link:

"schools such as the University of Michigan,
the University of Pennsylvania, the University of Washington, and countless others that send significant
portions of their student body to secondary markets are severely underrated in my study"

p12

Please re-read my post from above.

Talk is cheap - please find one.

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2006aaasmembership.shtml

Wow way more useful than my link...clearly Boalt > H/S.

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Umm no, Leiter accounts for class size - he takes clerks over class size in the recent decade its .04 for both

Right, and your comparison of the two time periods ignores this ratio.

No it doesn't: Mich had a higher ratio in the period 91-05 and now they have the same ratio from 96-06; this implies NYU is getting better relative Mich and is at worst equal to Mich and likely better.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 10, 2007, 11:50:25 PM
Ok, I'll admit, what I jut posted wasn't very nice of me, but he does come off as awfully patronizing, and that's something that really annoys me.

Oh, no.  You have nothing to worry about.  Steve.jd is a patronizing ass; I just prefer substantive conversations to this kind of scrum, for the most part.  Or in theory.  I mean, there were some terribly funny things in this thread.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:50:56 PM
As a general matter - this thread annoys me.  I *wasted* my time in an attempt to give someone my perspective (which was solicited not forced onto anyone btw), and much less a thank you all I got was a littany of character assasinations.

Out of all of you the only person who criticized who knows ANYTHING about me is J. 

It's kind of ironic that I have been called immature in this thread at least three times, and yet I am arguably the only person in this argument who hasn't resorted to useless character attacks, although I easily could.

Take Halfie for instance - at least three times now he is asserted how much smarter he is than I am - I guess I am not even in his league.  Perhaps thats true, but when prompted to produce any sort of proof he resorts to further ad-hominem attacks.  I generally don't feel the need to defend my intellect, but you know what I spent four years in college studying my ass off in one of the most difficult majors available and I didn't just do well I broke the curve in every class.  I had six figure job offers in IB, in consulting, among other things from as halfie calls it a "TTT" where basically no one else did.  I was the ONLY person from my school to get into HLS (within at least the past 5 years).  You can argue that I'm an idiot or whatever the hell else you want, but I think I've earned at least a rebuttable presumption of being smart.

If you think the above paragraph is bragging thats good - because it was meant to be.

Wow, demigh I don't know most of these posters so I don't really care what they think but you?  Especially after you spent months antogonizing over Penn to become a "prestige-whore" and go to CLS.


See, this is why nobody likes you.


Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.


Once again, you have proven your superlative capacity to completely and utterly miss the point. Somehow, you manage to read this whole thread and STILL maintain the ridiculous conviction that people hate you because you got to Harvard.

Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

NOBODY CARES about your six-figure salary offers or Harvard bull. That stuff impresses people for about 30 seconds... just long enough for you to open you mouth and prove what an irredeemable bag of hot air you are. Blow it out your ass, man. God knows you adore the smell of your own hot gases anyhow.

For the record, I never once said or even implied that anyone hates me because I go to H.  For the record, I don't know nor care why any of you hate me - like I said before this is an anonymous message board and I don't take it nearly as seriously as you do.  I'm also not out to impress anyone other than myself.  I do things because I feel they are better for me - I could care less what you think about my choices.

That's very good for you, man. It's good to be self-defined and all that. But you really don't need to be a condescending, self-righteous prat all the damn time. You don't care what people think of you? That's fine. But there's a difference between being independent of other people's expectations and treating everyone around you like a lesser life-form. You want people to respect you? Develop some compassion and humility.

The people who get real respect and admiration are the ones who achieve enough to impress others without becoming smug, self-satisfied, and superior.

Your ego has outgrown you.

I do care what people think of me - I DONT care what people on an ANONYMOUS message board think of me.  Please explain and or link how in my nearly 5300 posts just once I have treated anyone even those who feel the need to attack my character as a "lesser life-form."
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:51:05 PM
Talk is cheap - please find one.

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2006aaasmembership.shtml

Wow way more useful than my link...clearly Boalt > H/S.
[/quote]

feminine hygiene product, there is no difference in importance or relevance between my link and your link, except for that your link proves what you want to prove.

That is, they are BOTH f-ing useless as absolute proof of faculty quality.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:53:03 PM
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Are you seriously going to look at the data you yourself just posted and attempt to reasonably claim more than even a marginal at best gap between NYU and Michigan?

Nail, meet head.  Head, nail.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: t... on February 10, 2007, 11:54:58 PM


So, NYU beats Mich in firm placement, faculty and student quality, is arguably beating them in clerkships, and is tied for academia.  Have I missed any categories?

This is just stupid.

And please, define "student quality" (and please think about it for awhile).
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 11:55:55 PM

No, please dont miscontrue the question - I really did just want to know your subjective reasons.  The rest of your post has flaws that I could respond to as well but then I guess I'd be a prestige whore - good luck at Michigan.



And this is what I get for being not mean?  Well, you could attend to my empirical flaws (Where?  At least I know of a source apiece that will back me up on what I said, which is more than, thus far, you've given evidence of being able to do), but then you'd be copping to you prestige whoredom?  So, did you just admit you're a p-ho, or is being that patronizing a special gift, entirely unrelated to your choice of schooling or feelings about anyone else's?

http://www.autoadmit.com/studies/ciolli/ciolli.final.pdf - Shows NYU has better firm placement than Mich

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2005faculty_impact_cites.shtml - ranking NYU's faculty as better than Mich

http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/1996_06_scotus_clerks.shtml - this page shows Leiter's view of "SCOTUS" rankings, Mich and NYU are tied from 1996-2006 but Mich did much better from 1991-2005 implying that NYU is getting better if you look at more recent data while Mich is getting worse

NYU also has higher entering LSAT/GPA ranges whatever stock you may put into that.

Leiter also has NYU tied for academia placement with Mich.

So, NYU beats Mich in firm placement, faculty and student quality, is arguably beating them in clerkships, and is tied for academia.  Have I missed any categories?

Yep, V10 firms.  Scurry along to NALP.

And as for student quality, do you see yourself as contributing to Harvard's?  Because from what I've seen here thus far, I seriously wonder.

And before you cry "ad hom!", let's to the topic at hand:  Did I ever assert in my post, which I've conveniently pasted below and bolded, that either NYU or Michigan was a better school?  I didn't.  What did I say?  I said that I didn't percieve the "vast differences in prestige you're claiming".  Are you seriously going to look at the data you yourself just posted and attempt to reasonably claim more than even a marginal at best gap between NYU and Michigan?

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But seriously, what you really want to know (it seems) is why am I not BOTHERED by going to Michigan over NYU.  Mainly I don't percieve the vast differences in prestige you're claiming.  If we can use SCOTUS clerkships as one example, flawed though it may be, NYU and Michigan place roughly the same.  The pure prestige rankings halfie (at least I think it was halfie) posted earlier in this very thread ranked NYU . . . what?  One place higher?  Big whoop.  I mean, the biggest difference between NYU and Michigan seems to come from everyone's favorite rankings whipping boy: US NEWS.  And speaking of prestige -at OCIs, the only V10 firms I can think of off the top of my head who DON'T interview at Michigan are Cleary and Wachtell . . . yes, mighty Cravath (with whom you seem obsessed, though lord only knows why, since all of their associates seem to hate the place) slogs out to Ann Arbor every year to interview Michigan students.  Surely they aren't wasting their time when they can (and do) just take a car 30 blocks for NYU?

TITCR.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:56:46 PM
So, NYU beats Mich in firm placement, faculty and student quality, is arguably beating them in clerkships, and is tied for academia.  Have I missed any categories?

tj's right

your douchebaggery knows no limits
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 10, 2007, 11:57:48 PM
I like cheese.

Particularly labneh.  And manchego.  And halloumi.

i kinda like kraft singles.

Fake cheese.

Cheese-whiz.  Velveeta.  Easy Cheese.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 10, 2007, 11:59:21 PM


So, NYU beats Mich in firm placement, faculty and student quality, is arguably beating them in clerkships, and is tied for academia.  Have I missed any categories?

This is just stupid.

And please, define "student quality" (and please think about it for awhile).

You took that quote out of context - if you look back at my original post I made sure to treat student quality not as a certainty (as I did with everything else but with the caveat of taking that category with a grain of salt.  Furthermore, I did not nor do I plan to define student quality - Leiter defines them.  Again, you know nothing about me.  If you did you would know that I have roughly 50 or 60 posts in a long thread arguing that the LSAT is a bad predictor of LS performance and not useful in determining intelligence so I put little stock in student quality but many people disagree so I added the link.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:00:12 AM
I like cheese.

Particularly labneh.  And manchego.  And halloumi.

i kinda like kraft singles.

Fake cheese.

Cheese-whiz.  Velveeta.  Easy Cheese.

That good processed cheese food... the processing makes it good!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 11, 2007, 12:00:44 AM
Steve's oblivious and continuous prestige whoring and pretentious self-aggrandizement is taking this thread from strength to strength.  Gold, I tells ya.  GOLD!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 12:00:49 AM


So, NYU beats Mich in firm placement, faculty and student quality, is arguably beating them in clerkships, and is tied for academia.  Have I missed any categories?

This is just stupid.

And please, define "student quality" (and please think about it for awhile).

You took that quote out of context - if you look back at my original post I made sure to treat student quality not as a certainty (as I did with everything else but with the caveat of taking that category with a grain of salt.  Furthermore, I did not nor do I plan to define student quality - Leiter defines them.  Again, you know nothing about me.  If you did you would know that I have roughly 50 or 60 posts in a long thread arguing that the LSAT is a bad predictor of LS performance and not useful in determining intelligence so I put little stock in student quality but many people disagree so I added the link.

the stupid quote of yours, and your highly selective, cherry-picked sources, stand for themselves...especially in light of the fact that gengis isn't claiming that M>N.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 12:01:09 AM
In any case I'm done with this thread - go to any school you want, its your life and your 200k not mine.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 12:01:24 AM
So meiji is redemption?  She seems much more mellow in her new persona.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 12:02:34 AM
In any case I'm done with this thread - go to any school you want, its your life and your 200k not mine.

have fun at your "hedge fund" making "millions"

models and bottles, steve.jd... 

happiness is just a few years away
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 12:02:57 AM
I like cheese.

Particularly labneh.  And manchego.  And halloumi.

i kinda like kraft singles.

Fake cheese.

Cheese-whiz.  Velveeta.  Easy Cheese.

Gah!  Stop with the cheese! :-X

EXACTLY!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:03:09 AM
Steve's oblivious and continuous prestige whoring and pretentious self-aggrandizement is taking this thread from strength to strength.  Gold, I tells ya.  GOLD!


I'm wondering what the limits are. It is only a matter of time before exponential growth rate of his ego outgrows the capacity of the very Intarweb to contain it...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 11, 2007, 12:03:18 AM
In any case I'm done with this thread - go to any school you want, its your life and your 200k not mine.

Well, minus the $120K Michigan is chipping in for her, I guess.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 12:04:10 AM
In any case I'm done with this thread - go to any school you want, its your life and your 200k not mine.

Well, minus the $120K Michigan is chipping in for her, I guess.

Touche!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: dashrashi on February 11, 2007, 12:04:19 AM
So meiji is redemption?  She seems much more mellow in her new persona.

Ours is not to ask. It's a mad mad mad mad world.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:06:24 AM
So meiji is redemption?  She seems much more mellow in her new persona.

Ours is not to ask. It's a mad mad mad mad world.

lol.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 11, 2007, 12:07:27 AM
In any case I'm done with this thread - go to any school you want, its your life and your 200k not mine.


And thus he exits, stage left, with a suitably snotty shrug of the shoulders.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 12:08:45 AM
I just want to point out that I never got an answer to my question.    Guess he couldn't do it after all. ::)

what was your question again?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:32:45 AM
Awww... RIP thread.

We hardly knew thee...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 12:35:30 AM
Awww... RIP thread.

We hardly knew thee...

Don't quit now!

Personally, I've gotten into some great schools but am still disappointed.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 12:38:49 AM
Awww... RIP thread.

We hardly knew thee...

Don't quit now!

Personally, I've gotten into some great schools but am still disappointed.  Any thoughts?

<smack!>

ouch!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 12:39:36 AM
I call foul on this thread...IIRC Steve was all set to go to Columbia when he was let into Harvard...he was super excited/embarrassingly giddy about the opportunity and is still really enthused about his school... (to the point of trolling maybe a little too much)

Look, he's really happy that he's being allowed a chance to carve out the life he wanted for himself and can't wait to tell everyone else about it and to convince them of its validity...cut the guy a break...it's called context...is it really that hard to read people (personae?)and discern their motivations/(foibles...I guess given the reactions)?  Is anyone turning down Harvard because Steve would be there as well...is anyone going to NYU over Mich cuz he said so?

As for the prestige whoring accusations...they're laughable...I've seen much, much, MUCH worse from both past and present regulars...and people just took it in stride...I think half of Steve's problem is that he's mostly an on-topic poster...familiar enough to be a mark but without the benefit of an OTB clique for backup when someone comes down with a case of teh grouchez...

His opinions are just as valid as everyone else's (read:semi-anonymous internet folk) here...which is to say, not at all...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: spud1987 on February 11, 2007, 12:41:14 AM
Haha, I left for a few hours and still had this thread up.  I refreshed it just to see if there were anymore posts and sure enough...ten more pages!!!  And I thought I had a fun Saturday night.  ;)  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 11, 2007, 12:41:56 AM
No, Brer.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 12:42:55 AM
Haha, I left for a few hours and still had this thread up.  I refreshed it just to see if there were anymore posts and sure enough...ten more pages!!!  And I thought I had a fun Saturday night.  ;)  

Hey Steve.  We going to hear from Harvard next week?  Because if I don't get in, I may never get to be a hedge fund manager!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: spud1987 on February 11, 2007, 12:45:27 AM
Haha, I left for a few hours and still had this thread up.  I refreshed it just to see if there were anymore posts and sure enough...ten more pages!!!  And I thought I had a fun Saturday night.  ;)  

Hey Steve.  We going to hear from Harvard next week?  Because if I don't get in, I may never get to be a hedge fund manager!

I know I would totally just killself if I had to attend Michigan or even (gasp) a non T14!!!  This thread makes me smile.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 12:46:33 AM


ouch!

Again with the incorrect album, Hank!

The Moon and AntarcticaBuilding Something..., and/or This is a Long Drive... are the proper choices!

 ;)

I need to get some more of their albums.  I only have LCW, M&A, and Good News. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: spud1987 on February 11, 2007, 12:49:32 AM


ouch!

Again with the incorrect album, Hank!

The Moon and AntarcticaBuilding Something..., and/or This is a Long Drive... are the proper choices!

 ;)

I need to get some more of their albums.  I only have LCW, M&A, and Good News. 

I strongly encourage you getting Moon and Antarctica, I think it's my favorite album of theirs.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 12:53:51 AM
The problem with Modest Mouse, though, is that they generally only have 3-6 great songs per album, maybe 3 or 4 good songs, and the rest are bad or horrible.

Ugly Casanova > Modest Mouse. "Cat Faces" slays.



Interesting; I've never gotten Sharpen Your Teeth.  I've found that there are usually 4 or 5 really good songs per MM album, but the rest I would hardly call filler or sub-par.   
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:55:36 AM
<smack!>

This should actually be stated:  smack?

Because it's what all Michigan grads will be asking.  Begging for.  Pleading.  Please?  Smack, sir?

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


*Applies tourniquet and searches for a good vein*

Where's my spike?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:59:54 AM
<smack!>

This should actually be stated:  smack?

Because it's what all Michigan grads will be asking.  Begging for.  Pleading.  Please?  Smack, sir?

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


*Applies tourniquet and searches for a good vein*

Where's my spike?

That's why Michign's so collegial - you need people to help tie you off.

Hey, you'll need something to numb you to winter in AA.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 01:00:46 AM
No, Brer.


Ya J...I think you and quite a few of the other regs really don't have a leg to stand on in this one...particularly Halfie...particularly given his penchant for trolling...you don't get to be an ass on a consistent basis but yet reserve the right to be able to tell someone to watch their tone... (which is essentially what this boils down to) I make it a point to only address fellow trolls on points of ettiquette because at least in this incarnation I'm mostly saying things I shouldn't...so telling someone what they should do (aside from backing up off me) would be a tad much...

Steve is accused of being one-note...and perhaps justifiably so...but I'll just say that if you peek into any given rankings thread on the board...Halfie's usually in the thick of things leading the anti-establishment charge...thus making him just as predictable and one-note as Steve...it's a subjective thing even taking into consideration what Leiter and USN have to say...so if Steve's guilty, well, Halfie needs to haul ass to the tower as well cuz there's a spot for him as well...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 01:07:01 AM
That's why Michign's so collegial - you need people to help tie you off.

A little love here, a little love there, and I'll help christen your dumpster.

Awesome!

Hey, you'll need something to numb you to winter in AA.

True. :-\

Do you think they'll include dealer info at orientation?

Wait, this is the state of Michigan, right? I think they have horse available in the vending machines.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 01:16:14 AM
Coffee:::Decaf:::Hot Chocolate:::Smack:::Speedball

Hey, who knows how may people have chased the dragon through CivPro...

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 01:17:54 AM
At least it's not Chicago. Hyde Park is Cracky the Crackhead (TM) Approved.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 01:21:48 AM
At least it's not Chicago. Hyde Park is Cracky the Crackhead (TM) Approved.

(http://www.geocities.com/hernandez3189@sbcglobal.net/DaveChappelle.jpg)

= Chicago alum.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 01:26:07 AM
At least it's not Chicago. Hyde Park is Cracky the Crackhead (TM) Approved.

(http://www.geocities.com/hernandez3189@sbcglobal.net/DaveChappelle.jpg)

= Chicago alum.



Yeah, when he decided to go to Chicago as opposed to YHS, that's when keepin' it real went wrong.


Yeah, if he'd gone to HYS, he'd just be coked out of his gourd!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 01:36:28 AM
The only kind of "ball" at which Harvard actually wins.

(http://www.custom-mouse-pads-etc.com/products/StockImages/SportsBa/images/8Ball.jpg)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 11, 2007, 07:03:06 AM
No, Brer.


Ya J...I think you and quite a few of the other regs really don't have a leg to stand on in this one...particularly Halfie...particularly given his penchant for trolling...you don't get to be an ass on a consistent basis but yet reserve the right to be able to tell someone to watch their tone... (which is essentially what this boils down to) I make it a point to only address fellow trolls on points of ettiquette because at least in this incarnation I'm mostly saying things I shouldn't...so telling someone what they should do (aside from backing up off me) would be a tad much...

Steve is accused of being one-note...and perhaps justifiably so...but I'll just say that if you peek into any given rankings thread on the board...Halfie's usually in the thick of things leading the anti-establishment charge...thus making him just as predictable and one-note as Steve...it's a subjective thing even taking into consideration what Leiter and USN have to say...so if Steve's guilty, well, Halfie needs to haul ass to the tower as well cuz there's a spot for him as well...

UMich.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 08:14:23 AM
Awww... RIP thread.

We hardly knew thee...

Don't quit now!

Personally, I've gotten into some great schools but am still disappointed.  Any thoughts?

Hank, if you don't join me we'll never be able to pursue that SCOTUS clerkship (of which there is absolutely no chance of securing if you go to a "lesser" school.   NONE!!!!!!!)

And for all the little people out there in LSD Land (*cough* Demingh) I'm joking.  Remember, f!ck'em if they can't take a joke (look gengigs and jarhead, I got it right this time  ;))
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 08:27:07 AM
Did LSD get all snappy around this time last year, too?

yep.

Why?

Are you the real red?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 08:49:38 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


Sounds about right.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 08:54:46 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


you didn't answer my second question?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 09:40:07 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:00:01 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.

This is interesting.  Lets assume you are right and I am only preoccupied with money, my alma mater, etc.  What gives you the right to dictate what I should or should not be preoccupied with?  As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 10:01:39 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.

This is interesting.  Lets assume you are right and I am only preoccupied with money, my alma mater, etc.  What gives you the right to dictate what I should or should not be preoccupied with?  As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.

Your douchebaggery is truly epic.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 10:02:08 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

The "little bit pregnant" analogy would be apt here.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.


Nah...for folks like you there's the "Need Law School Advice!?" thread...just track down Zamora or Boss and they'll lead you to it...this was just overkill...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:13:21 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.

This is interesting.  Lets assume you are right and I am only preoccupied with money, my alma mater, etc.  What gives you the right to dictate what I should or should not be preoccupied with?  As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.

Your douchebaggery is truly epic.

As is your idiocy.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 10:16:49 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.

This is interesting.  Lets assume you are right and I am only preoccupied with money, my alma mater, etc.  What gives you the right to dictate what I should or should not be preoccupied with? As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.

The last time I checked we don't individually live in a vacuum. HTFH, tool.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 10:18:12 AM
Looks like we need some mediation in this room.  Anyone care to mediate?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 10:18:37 AM
The "little bit pregnant" analogy would be apt here.

I still don't disagree with you.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:23:47 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.

This is interesting.  Lets assume you are right and I am only preoccupied with money, my alma mater, etc.  What gives you the right to dictate what I should or should not be preoccupied with? As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.

The last time I checked we don't individually live in a vacuum. HTFH, tool.

So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.

Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

He's reading comprehension impaired and completely lacking in critical thinking abilities.  I'm sure he's a better engineer than most Lehigh students or whatever, and he's obviously good at scoring well on the LSAT... but those things don't get you very far in my book.  I'm sure we've all met plenty of stupid law students with good UGPAs and LSATs.  On the other hand, I've yet to meet a stupid person who is a good critical thinker.


Contradictory some?

Quote
I don't have a problem with the fact that he's a prestige whore.  I have a problem with the fact that he won't admit it, and that he is dishonest about the differences between schools (dishonesty with yourself, i.e. idiocy or willful blindness, still counts as dishonesty).

I'm sorry you didn't get into the school you wanted to go to, but thats no reason to take it out on others; next time try to emulate those you consider "prestige whores."
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:32:51 AM
I call foul on this thread...IIRC Steve was all set to go to Columbia when he was let into Harvard...he was super excited/embarrassingly giddy about the opportunity and is still really enthused about his school... (to the point of trolling maybe a little too much)

Look, he's really happy that he's being allowed a chance to carve out the life he wanted for himself and can't wait to tell everyone else about it and to convince them of its validity...cut the guy a break...it's called context...is it really that hard to read people (personae?)and discern their motivations/(foibles...I guess given the reactions)?  Is anyone turning down Harvard because Steve would be there as well...is anyone going to NYU over Mich cuz he said so?

As for the prestige whoring accusations...they're laughable...I've seen much, much, MUCH worse from both past and present regulars...and people just took it in stride...I think half of Steve's problem is that he's mostly an on-topic poster...familiar enough to be a mark but without the benefit of an OTB clique for backup when someone comes down with a case of teh grouchez...

His opinions are just as valid as everyone else's (read:semi-anonymous internet folk) here...which is to say, not at all...

I went off on Steve because he kept claiming, despite an acknowledged inability to produce a scrap of real evidence, that NYU is dramatically, wildly better than Michigan, and that NYU Student's probable life-outlook is much better than UM Student's life-outlook, in real terms which do not distinguish between a V5 and a V25 on the basis of prestige, i.e. from outside of the prestige-whore paradigm.  And because he got snarky and 'HTH'ed me when he was dead wrong and accusing me of misinterpreting his text.

He was an LALSD poster, IIRC.  Which, yeah, Britt's not around, but that would still give him Mugatu, Bruin (okay, MIA at the moment), and a couple others, including (gasp!) myself.

I've never even been to LA so no, although I am friends with Britt (who doesnt post here).

Umm no, the two posts that began this "argument" were when I said that "NYU is better than Michigan" and that "NYU is not 10x better than Michigan" - that was it, and I stand by that.

You created a strawman argument that I did not make in order to make your pathetic assertions more plausible.  Also, notice how 90% of the people who joined in are either at Michigan, or planning on going there next year.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:40:34 AM
I call foul on this thread...IIRC Steve was all set to go to Columbia when he was let into Harvard...he was super excited/embarrassingly giddy about the opportunity and is still really enthused about his school... (to the point of trolling maybe a little too much)

Look, he's really happy that he's being allowed a chance to carve out the life he wanted for himself and can't wait to tell everyone else about it and to convince them of its validity...cut the guy a break...it's called context...is it really that hard to read people (personae?)and discern their motivations/(foibles...I guess given the reactions)?  Is anyone turning down Harvard because Steve would be there as well...is anyone going to NYU over Mich cuz he said so?

As for the prestige whoring accusations...they're laughable...I've seen much, much, MUCH worse from both past and present regulars...and people just took it in stride...I think half of Steve's problem is that he's mostly an on-topic poster...familiar enough to be a mark but without the benefit of an OTB clique for backup when someone comes down with a case of teh grouchez...

His opinions are just as valid as everyone else's (read:semi-anonymous internet folk) here...which is to say, not at all...

I went off on Steve because he kept claiming, despite an acknowledged inability to produce a scrap of real evidence, that NYU is dramatically, wildly better than Michigan, and that NYU Student's probable life-outlook is much better than UM Student's life-outlook, in real terms which do not distinguish between a V5 and a V25 on the basis of prestige, i.e. from outside of the prestige-whore paradigm.  And because he got snarky and 'HTH'ed me when he was dead wrong and accusing me of misinterpreting his text.

He was an LALSD poster, IIRC.  Which, yeah, Britt's not around, but that would still give him Mugatu, Bruin (okay, MIA at the moment), and a couple others, including (gasp!) myself.

I've never even been to LA so no, although I am friends with Britt (who doesnt post here).

Umm no, the two posts that began this "argument" were when I said that "NYU is better than Michigan" and that "NYU is not 10x better than Michigan" - that was it, and I stand by that.

You created a strawman argument that I did not make in order to make your pathetic assertions more plausible.  Also, notice how 90% of the people who joined in are either at Michigan, or planning on going there next year.

Oh goodie.  Which proves what exactly? 

Think about it - you all are the ones with exceptional comprehension skills
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 10:46:05 AM

No, but it is telling that think that scoring well on the LSAT = good at critical analysis.  Or that it's evidence of your reading comprehension abilities simply because there's a section with that title, when this thread is overwhelming evidence of your inability in that department.

To his credit, LSAC and adcoms believe this to a great extent.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:47:24 AM
Nobody begrudges you Harvard. Nobody here thinks you are "stupid" (with the possible exception of Halfie, of course.) People dislike you because you are an incredibly arrogant, self-absorbed, self-righteous, elitist snob, as EVERY ONE of your above posts further proves.

He's reading comprehension impaired and completely lacking in critical thinking abilities.  I'm sure he's a better engineer than most Lehigh students or whatever, and he's obviously good at scoring well on the LSAT... but those things don't get you very far in my book.  I'm sure we've all met plenty of stupid law students with good UGPAs and LSATs.  On the other hand, I've yet to meet a stupid person who is a good critical thinker.

Contradictory some?

No, but it is telling that think that scoring well on the LSAT = good at critical analysis.  Or that it's evidence of your reading comprehension abilities simply because there's a section with that title, when this thread is overwhelming evidence of your inability in that department.


What I think isn't especially important - what is important is that ~186 law schools think it tests at least to some extent reading comprehension and critical thinking, and I trust their opinion a hell of a lot more than yours.

Quote

Quote
Quote
I don't have a problem with the fact that he's a prestige whore.  I have a problem with the fact that he won't admit it, and that he is dishonest about the differences between schools (dishonesty with yourself, i.e. idiocy or willful blindness, still counts as dishonesty).

I'm sorry you didn't get into the school you wanted to go to, but thats no reason to take it out on others; next time try to emulate those you consider "prestige whores."

You go to a better school than me.  Oh, good one, you really got me.  And with that, why are you on LSD instead of XOXO? 

*shrug*  I could transfer to Berkeley, the school I really wanted to go to.  Or GULC to hang out with Lily, who unlike you is actually cool, or even *gasp* Michigan or CCN.  I'm happy with where I'm at, and with my career outlook based on my class rank at my school.  If other similarly situated students want to transfer to Chicago or Columbia or maybe even Harvard, great, I wish them the best wherever they end up.

Thats a good question.

This is true.

Enjoy Minnesota.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 10:47:38 AM

So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.


France, huh? Still eating your 'freedom fries'?

But whatever. I'm quite sure you'll have a meaningful, worthwhile life in your own oblivious way.

Just for you to think about, for whatever it's worth:

"We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered."  - MLK, Jr.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 10:54:28 AM
So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.

France, huh? Still eating your 'freedom fries'?

Oh wow, I was right?!  He IS a Bushie?!

"You don't know me..."
- Steve Blowjob.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:58:13 AM
Umm no, the two posts that began this "argument" were when I said that "NYU is better than Michigan" and that "NYU is not 10x better than Michigan" - that was it, and I stand by that.

You created a strawman argument that I did not make in order to make your pathetic assertions more plausible.  Also, notice how 90% of the people who joined in are either at Michigan, or planning on going there next year.

No.  I was perfectly willing to concede that NYU might be marginally better than Michigan for certain things.  You said that it's MUCH better, IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE,

Actually you made both of those arguments Joe I simply agreed to them.

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 not simply that "NYU is better than Michigan," and further asserted that it is this in terms out probable outcome even if one is completely unconcerned with prestige.

This is correct.

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  Then I asked for statistics and for you to tell me what the real expected difference would be and you said "it's subjective," i.e. "I have no idea...

Figuring out the exact numerical difference would be a monumental task - one I am not willing to do, however the difference is there and what cross-admits choose is proof of that difference, people tend to go where its better.

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but cross-admits tend to choose NYU so it must be dramatic indeed!"  You have, of course, repeatedly attempted to silently back off of your stunning assertion (in an attempt, one might surmise, to appear reasonable), but you haven't actually done so; nor have you provided the simple evidence (or even assertion) that I asked for (because, you said, you are unable to do so because this difference can't be defined in tangible terms).

And yeah, Jolie is at UM and Gengis is going there next year.  Whoop-de-dee-damn-do.

You also forgot the brilliant post who is death and taxes.

So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.

France, huh? Still eating your 'freedom fries'?

Oh wow, I was right?!  He IS a Bushie?!

And Steve, I definitely remember seeing something in this thread about "I'm leaving, I don't care enough to argue this with y'all."  What happened?

Yes, along with more than half the population.

Stupidity must be answered:

"All that evil needs to take over is for good men to stand by and do nothing" - Edmund Burke
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 10:59:50 AM

So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.


France, huh? Still eating your 'freedom fries'?

But whatever. I'm quite sure you'll have a meaningful, worthwhile life in your own oblivious way.

Just for you to think about, for whatever it's worth:

"We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered."  - MLK, Jr.

Racism is an evil.

Materialism and militarism on the other hand I'm all for.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 11:03:21 AM
Reconcile this thought:

"All that evil needs to take over is for good men to stand by and do nothing" - Edmund Burke

...with these two thoughts:

As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.


The last time I checked we don't individually live in a vacuum. HTFH, tool.

So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 11:05:02 AM
Reconcile this thought:

"All that evil needs to take over is for good men to stand by and do nothing" - Edmund Burke

...with these two thoughts:

As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.


The last time I checked we don't individually live in a vacuum. HTFH, tool.

So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.



Sure thing - I can combat evil (i.e. the stupidity of yourself and Joe) while still making money and not living like a pauper.  I don't see the problem.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 11, 2007, 11:08:01 AM
Yeah, Steveling, may I remind you that I've made no objections whatsoever to the substance of your NYU-trumps-Michigan argument?  You could roll out all of the objective, empirical evidence in the world proving *conclusively* that there is a world of difference between the two - I would remain delighted with my school, my personal choices, and my prospects.  This is not the same as needing to believe that Michigan is the pinnacle of prestige.  I feel very very lucky to be at one of the best schools in the nation, and will be the first to concede that it's not The Best.  I am overwhelmingly positive about Michigan...as you well know, since you spend so much time indulging us with your enlightened views in the "Michigan 1L" thread.   ::)

No, my misguided friend, I and many others object to the style, not the substance.  It's the fact that you're a know-it-all who can't keep his opinions to himself and who actually knows very little.  Your thoughts may have been solicited here, but they're generally not.  As several others have already pointed out, you pop up everywhere with your two-bit self-aggrandizing, self-assured, smarmy nonsense.  And I'm not just talking LSD - one of my dearest friends goes to school with you IRL, and apparently the online persona is not schtick.  

Red is right, tho - I generally ignore the handful of posters who rub me the wrong way, but this was a major case of "I've been holding back for so long and he's really asking for it now."  

Oh, and for the record, responding to someone who views the world differently by calling him a socialist and saying that he should move to France is precisely the sort of douchebaggery that made me suggest you're too young for your own good.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 11:09:07 AM
Reconcile this thought:

"All that evil needs to take over is for good men to stand by and do nothing" - Edmund Burke

...with these two thoughts:

As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.


The last time I checked we don't individually live in a vacuum. HTFH, tool.

So, I should give up my wordly goods and go fight world hunger?  Why don't you head to France or somewhere similar; I'll gladly pay for a one-way ticket if you surrender citizenship.



Sure thing - I can combat evil (i.e. the stupidity of yourself and Joe) while still making money and not living like a pauper.  I don't see the problem.

That's your reading of that Burke (who himself was a tool) quote?

You're continuing the stellar display of your reading comprehension skills. Well done.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 11:13:10 AM
Yeah, Steveling, may I remind you that I've made no objections whatsoever to the substance of your NYU-trumps-Michigan argument?  You could roll out all of the objective, empirical evidence in the world proving *conclusively* that there is a world of difference between the two - I would remain delighted with my school, my personal choices, and my prospects.  This is not the same as needing to believe that Michigan is the pinnacle of prestige.  I feel very very lucky to be at one of the best schools in the nation, and will be the first to concede that it's not The Best.  I am overwhelmingly positive about Michigan...as you well know, since you spend so much time indulging us with your enlightened views in the "Michigan 1L" thread.   ::)

No, my misguided friend, I and many others object to the style, not the substance.  It's the fact that you're a know-it-all who can't keep his opinions to himself and who actually knows very little.  Your thoughts may have been solicited here, but they're generally not.  As several others have already pointed out, you pop up everywhere with your two-bit self-aggrandizing, self-assured, smarmy nonsense.  And I'm not just talking LSD - one of my dearest friends goes to school with you IRL, and apparently the online persona is not schtick. 

Red is right, tho - I generally ignore the handful of posters who rub me the wrong way, but this was a major case of "I've been holding back for so long and he's really asking for it now." 

Oh, and for the record, responding to someone who views the world differently by calling him a socialist and saying that he should move to France is precisely the sort of douchebaggery that made me suggest you're too young for your own good. 

Oh, snap.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 11:13:22 AM

Oh, and for the record, responding to someone who views the world differently by calling him a socialist and saying that he should move to France is precisely the sort of douchebaggery that made me suggest you're too young for your own good. 

All well said, but in Steve Blowjob's defense, his pathetic response wasn't just because I view the world differently than he does; it was because I've been needlessly attacking him.

It's been a hoot and pleasure watching him reveal himself, however.  :D
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 11:13:43 AM
Gosh, there does seem to be a lot of anger on LSD these days.   :-\
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 11:16:07 AM
The people go where it's better argument is ridiculous.

People go where a (TTT) news magazine tells them to and the news magazine looks at a stupid test that proves nothing in order to come to their own conclusions.  Oh, and they ask a bunch of people their opinions of 200 or so different schools, as though any of those people actually bothered to truly exaimine the differences between them.

The legal field is a racket for prestige whores on all levels.  If that's someone's bag, so be it.  Just don't try to pretend it's anything more than that. 

I meant they go where its better for them.  If 300 million people think NYU > Mich than for all intensive purposes (employment) it is, correct?

Yeah, Steveling, may I remind you that I've made no objections whatsoever to the substance of your NYU-trumps-Michigan argument?  You could roll out all of the objective, empirical evidence in the world proving *conclusively* that there is a world of difference between the two - I would remain delighted with my school, my personal choices, and my prospects.  This is not the same as needing to believe that Michigan is the pinnacle of prestige.  I feel very very lucky to be at one of the best schools in the nation, and will be the first to concede that it's not The Best.  I am overwhelmingly positive about Michigan...as you well know, since you spend so much time indulging us with your enlightened views in the "Michigan 1L" thread.   ::)


May I also remind you that I never asserted that every single person should pick NYU over Mich.  Some people prefer a smaller city, or the outdoors, or have family in one location or the other, but looking purely at employment prospects NYU > Mich so all else equal NYU > Mich.

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No, my misguided friend, I and many others object to the style, not the substance.  It's the fact that you're a know-it-all who can't keep his opinions to himself and who actually knows very little.  Your thoughts may have been solicited here, but they're generally not.  As several others have already pointed out, you pop up everywhere with your two-bit self-aggrandizing, self-assured, smarmy nonsense.  And I'm not just talking LSD - one of my dearest friends goes to school with you IRL, and apparently the online persona is not schtick. 


I would be shocked if there weren't people who didn't like me, but I'm comfortable with who I am, and don't need your validation (or anyone elses).

Umm the only reason I ever say anything in the Michigan 1L thread is to answer questions about ASW or the city - I don't think I've ever said anything but good things in that thread.

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Red is right, tho - I generally ignore the handful of posters who rub me the wrong way, but this was a major case of "I've been holding back for so long and he's really asking for it now." 

Oh, and for the record, responding to someone who views the world differently by calling him a socialist and saying that he should move to France is precisely the sort of douchebaggery that made me suggest you're too young for your own good. 

So would you then put last light and halfie in his place for responding to someone who views the world differently by calling them a "bushie" as immature?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 11:17:32 AM
Gosh, there does seem to be a lot of anger on LSD these days.   :-\


Just doing our part to combat the "evil" in this world.  ;)

"All that evil needs to take over is for good men to stand by and do nothing" - Edmund Burke
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 11:22:02 AM
Steve,

Tell me more about your "hedge fund" career path, please.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 11:22:33 AM
Archival, you really should take down that "UT Law Class of 2009."  People might think you are showing off.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 11:24:30 AM
You know, I really don't know how I ever got lumped together w/ Steve on this one.  There are far worse prestige whores than me (ie: the ones in denial, ie: nerdphanie).
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 11:25:41 AM
Why?

some are disappointed with admissions decisions,
some are defensive about schools that that they have developed a preference for,
some overestimate their worth because they've been admitted to [or attend] prestijus schools
some are anxious wrt big-ticket admissions decisions that haven't yet been made

sprinkle in:

inter-poster familiarity-breeds-contempt type stuff
the hell-i've-been-quiet-long-enough-about-my-disdain-for-this-poster effect
the fact tht many people haven't yet met face to face at ASWs

and you get this mid-winter phenomenon.


I doubt its that complicated.

Some of us are just louts who don't give a flying @#!* about exposing even bigger louts and douchebags for being inane, close-minded tools who don't give two shits about anything other than the name on their degree, how much money they make, and how preoccupied they are with shoving their heads far enough up their own asses so that they're oblivious to the really significant obligations in life.

However, if it weren't for their meaningless existence, we ourselves would have a meaningless existence; in that regard I agree with you and Brer.

This is interesting.  Lets assume you are right and I am only preoccupied with money, my alma mater, etc.  What gives you the right to dictate what I should or should not be preoccupied with?  As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.

Your douchebaggery is truly epic.

As is your idiocy.


AHA, and finally, we have it! I criticize you, therefore I am an "idiot". I don't know what your definition of an "idiot" is, but I doubt anyone on this board meets that definition in the mind of any rational and objective observer. What is it about what I've said that gives you evidence that I am an "idiot"? I'm curious.

I don't really expect an answer to that, of course. The truth is simple: you are a buffoon. A pompous ass. With such an inflated belief in your own preeminent self-worth as to render any criticism of your person *blasphemous*. It strikes you as outrageous that anyone so inconsequential as ME should PRESUME to comment your character. In your mind, nobody could possibly find anything less than perfection in your pristine, lily-white ass.

So, you write me off as an "idiot". It saves you the trouble of subjecting yourself to even a cursory critical examination. And it allows you to continue under the assumption, which you have held all along, that you are smarter, more righteous, and more worthwhile than me. And everyone else on this board who agrees with me, I gather.

As the thread has progressed, you have responded to other people's criticisms by become progressively MORE smug, MORE arrogant, MORE self-righteous, and MORE elitist. You continue to present the thread's best argument AGAINST your own cause.

I certainly HOPE you're not this insufferable away from the comfortable anonymity and immunity of the internet. If so, I grieve for every person who has the grave misfortune of knowing you.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 11, 2007, 11:28:24 AM
Archival, you really should take down that "UT Law Class of 2009."  People might think you are showing off.  

archival is clearly not bragging, as she goes to a barely-respectable school.  Besides, her judgment and motivations are highly suspect since she gave up a space at a T14 to attend Texas.  


(Lest the toxicity of this thread cloud people's views, I am being extremely sarcastic.  archival is one of my favorite imaginary friends and her judgment is unimpeachable.)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: mumbling2myself on February 11, 2007, 11:29:45 AM
Archival, you really should take down that "UT Law Class of 2009."  People might think you are showing off. 

Nah, UT is a TTT, just like Michigan.  What drug would you say is most commonly used at UT to take their minds of their horrific post-UT future?  We're making a list.

It's Texas, so probably meth.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 11:30:03 AM
It's OK, UT is just T14's consolation prize.  

UT isn't even in Cooley's T14.  What hope does it have at being a respectable school?

CORRECTION: UT is 3rd in Cooley's Rankings.  Well done UT, well done.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 11:34:30 AM
The people go where it's better argument is ridiculous.

People go where a (TTT) news magazine tells them to and the news magazine looks at a stupid test that proves nothing in order to come to their own conclusions.  Oh, and they ask a bunch of people their opinions of 200 or so different schools, as though any of those people actually bothered to truly exaimine the differences between them.

The legal field is a racket for prestige whores on all levels.  If that's someone's bag, so be it.  Just don't try to pretend it's anything more than that. 

I meant they go where its better for them.  If 300 million people think NYU > Mich than for all intensive purposes (employment) it is, correct?

What the hell is an "intensive purpose"? I think you mean "Intents and purposes". At least get the pseudo-intellectual stock phrases RIGHT before you ignorantly spew them forth upon the world.


Yeah, Steveling, may I remind you that I've made no objections whatsoever to the substance of your NYU-trumps-Michigan argument?  You could roll out all of the objective, empirical evidence in the world proving *conclusively* that there is a world of difference between the two - I would remain delighted with my school, my personal choices, and my prospects.  This is not the same as needing to believe that Michigan is the pinnacle of prestige.  I feel very very lucky to be at one of the best schools in the nation, and will be the first to concede that it's not The Best.  I am overwhelmingly positive about Michigan...as you well know, since you spend so much time indulging us with your enlightened views in the "Michigan 1L" thread.   ::)


May I also remind you that I never asserted that every single person should pick NYU over Mich.  Some people prefer a smaller city, or the outdoors, or have family in one location or the other, but looking purely at employment prospects NYU > Mich so all else equal NYU > Mich.

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No, my misguided friend, I and many others object to the style, not the substance.  It's the fact that you're a know-it-all who can't keep his opinions to himself and who actually knows very little.  Your thoughts may have been solicited here, but they're generally not.  As several others have already pointed out, you pop up everywhere with your two-bit self-aggrandizing, self-assured, smarmy nonsense.  And I'm not just talking LSD - one of my dearest friends goes to school with you IRL, and apparently the online persona is not schtick. 


I would be shocked if there weren't people who didn't like me, but I'm comfortable with who I am, and don't need your validation (or anyone elses).

Umm the only reason I ever say anything in the Michigan 1L thread is to answer questions about ASW or the city - I don't think I've ever said anything but good things in that thread.

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Red is right, tho - I generally ignore the handful of posters who rub me the wrong way, but this was a major case of "I've been holding back for so long and he's really asking for it now." 

Oh, and for the record, responding to someone who views the world differently by calling him a socialist and saying that he should move to France is precisely the sort of douchebaggery that made me suggest you're too young for your own good. 

So would you then put last light and halfie in his place for responding to someone who views the world differently by calling them a "bushie" as immature?

Yes. But you called cooties first, so they win.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 11:36:53 AM
Wow, this thread got out of hand.  I was just saying that he was a prestige whore in denial and possibly retarded, and I feel like that pales in comparison to some of the hatred out there now.


Wha....?  :D


How about this?  Kill self you miserable uneducated prestige whore, HTFH.  Yes, I know, it's not your fault, you're young and immature and have an inferiority complex about your TTT undergrad, whatever, kill self twice, HTFH.  And because you're a braggart, kill self a third time for good measure.

HTH...

I don't know why you need scare quotes around "Cravath" and "Cahill," but "you" are "a" fucktard...You're the one making outrageous assertions-- back them up, you miserable excuse for a human being.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 11, 2007, 11:38:37 AM
You've got to give Steve credit for drawing all this bile to the surface - he should be harnassed and used as an organizing tool!  

I mean, after all, here I am taking pot shots with the best of them, when even amyt said I was nice.  
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 11:42:27 AM

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I LOL'd. Thank you.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 11:48:33 AM
I was really very confused by all of this.  First, because Steve was really into Michigan until Harvard decided to take him (I think late, although I might be wrong about that), and also because I'd never noticed him being a prestige whore at all last cycle. 

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I've always liked Michigan and still do - I was actually into Michigan until NYU gave me money, then into NYU until CLS gave me money, then into H.

Just, because I like a school doesn't mean that I have to unquestioningly spew forth all its virtues without tempering them with some (of what I see as) defects.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 11:49:47 AM
You've got to give Steve credit for drawing all this bile to the surface - he should be harnassed and used as an organizing tool! 

I mean, after all, here I am taking pot shots with the best of them, when even amyt said I was nice. 

We're scapegoating; we'll all feel better once we've cleansed.

Probably true. But in our defense, Steve really is easy to revile.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 11:53:15 AM
I was really very confused by all of this.  First, because Steve was really into Michigan until Harvard decided to take him (I think late, although I might be wrong about that), and also because I'd never noticed him being a prestige whore at all last cycle. 

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I've always liked Michigan and still do - I was actually into Michigan until NYU gave me money, then into NYU until CLS gave me money, then into H.

Just, because I like a school doesn't mean that I have to unquestioningly spew forth all its virtues without tempering them with some (of what I see as) defects.

I think, for "all intensive purposes", this one sentence justifies every allegation of prestige-whoredom made against Steve, now or in the future.

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 11:55:00 AM
I was really very confused by all of this.  First, because Steve was really into Michigan until Harvard decided to take him (I think late, although I might be wrong about that), and also because I'd never noticed him being a prestige whore at all last cycle. 

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I've always liked Michigan and still do - I was actually into Michigan until NYU gave me money, then into NYU until CLS gave me money, then into H.

Just, because I like a school doesn't mean that I have to unquestioningly spew forth all its virtues without tempering them with some (of what I see as) defects.

I think, for "all intensive purposes", this one sentence justifies every allegation of prestige-whoredom made against Steve, now or in the future.

You have to admit, there are some pretty intensive purposes out there.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 11:56:39 AM
I was really very confused by all of this.  First, because Steve was really into Michigan until Harvard decided to take him (I think late, although I might be wrong about that), and also because I'd never noticed him being a prestige whore at all last cycle. 

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I've always liked Michigan and still do - I was actually into Michigan until NYU gave me money, then into NYU until CLS gave me money, then into H.

Just, because I like a school doesn't mean that I have to unquestioningly spew forth all its virtues without tempering them with some (of what I see as) defects.

I think, for "all intensive purposes", this one sentence justifies every allegation of prestige-whoredom made against Steve, now or in the future.



Just out of curiousity do you think I should have went to Mich over HLS?  Would you?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 11, 2007, 11:59:27 AM
Oh dear.  

Let's not even talk about the intensive porpoises.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 12:01:18 PM
Just out of curiousity do you think I should have went to Mich over HLS?  Would you?

Did they Darrow you?

Nope.

Mich - 18k/yr
NYU - 25k/yr
CLS - 20k/yr
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 12:01:23 PM
Just out of curiousity do you think I should have went to Mich over HLS?  Would you?

Did they Darrow you?

sounds kinky.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 11, 2007, 12:01:59 PM
Archival, you really should take down that "UT Law Class of 2009."  People might think you are showing off. 

Nah, UT is a TTT, just like Michigan.  What drug would you say is most commonly used at UT to take their minds of their horrific post-UT future?  We're making a list.

I'm not sure.  Everyday when I walk to class and pass by the law school, most of the students I see are leaning up against walls, drooling on themselves, and hitting each other on the head with case books.  That doesn't include the ones dressed up in "ghetto" who spend most of their time wielding burnt orange mallets while chasing black people around the school.    
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 11, 2007, 12:02:40 PM
Just out of curiousity do you think I should have went to Mich over HLS?  Would you?

Did they Darrow you?

sounds kinky.

You have no idea.  Horse isn't our only vice up in these parts.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:04:23 PM
I was really very confused by all of this.  First, because Steve was really into Michigan until Harvard decided to take him (I think late, although I might be wrong about that), and also because I'd never noticed him being a prestige whore at all last cycle. 

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I've always liked Michigan and still do - I was actually into Michigan until NYU gave me money, then into NYU until CLS gave me money, then into H.

Just, because I like a school doesn't mean that I have to unquestioningly spew forth all its virtues without tempering them with some (of what I see as) defects.

I think, for "all intensive purposes", this one sentence justifies every allegation of prestige-whoredom made against Steve, now or in the future.



Just out of curiousity do you think I should have went to Mich over HLS?  Would you?

I would, actually. But I wouldn't expect anyone else to, you included. I just have a strong affinity for Michigan rooted in my early childhood, and grandiose prestige really isn't very important to me. I also aspire to be educated, from Pre-K through university, JD, LL.M., and S.J.D., entirely by public instututions. So, I'm not a good example.


I think you're still missing the point, though. Nobody begrudges you choosing Harvard. The fact that you so reliably switched preferences on the basis of single ranking in USNews is really pretty disturbing... People here aren't arguing that NO difference exists b/w Mich. and Harvard, but that the difference is not particularly material. They're saying, it's not BIG enough for you to make such a big deal of it. It's a different argument.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 12:06:46 PM

I would, actually. But I wouldn't expect anyone else to, you included. I just have a strong affinity for Michigan rooted in my early childhood, and grandiose prestige really isn't very important to me. I also aspire to be educated, from Pre-K through university, JD, LL.M., and S.J.D., entirely by public instututions. So, I'm not a good example.

That's really interesting (and not in a prestige-whorish way).  Can I ask why?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 12:07:09 PM
I was really very confused by all of this.  First, because Steve was really into Michigan until Harvard decided to take him (I think late, although I might be wrong about that), and also because I'd never noticed him being a prestige whore at all last cycle. 

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I've always liked Michigan and still do - I was actually into Michigan until NYU gave me money, then into NYU until CLS gave me money, then into H.

Just, because I like a school doesn't mean that I have to unquestioningly spew forth all its virtues without tempering them with some (of what I see as) defects.

I think, for "all intensive purposes", this one sentence justifies every allegation of prestige-whoredom made against Steve, now or in the future.



Just out of curiousity do you think I should have went to Mich over HLS?  Would you?

I would, actually. But I wouldn't expect anyone else to, you included. I just have a strong affinity for Michigan rooted in my early childhood, and grandiose prestige really isn't very important to me. I also aspire to be educated, from Pre-K through university, JD, LL.M., and S.J.D., entirely by public instututions. So, I'm not a good example.


I think you're still missing the point, though. Nobody begrudges you choosing Harvard. The fact that you so reliably switched preferences on the basis of single ranking in USNews is really pretty disturbing... People here aren't arguing that NO difference exists b/w Mich. and Harvard, but that the difference is not particularly material. They're saying, it's not BIG enough for you to make such a big deal of it. It's a different argument.

In my defense I actually switched from Mich to NYU when NYU became cheaper to CLS when CLS became cheaper and to HLS which was the cheapest option of all.  So, if anything I was picking schools based not on rankings but on cost.

EDIT: Full disclosure - I would have picked HLS over any other school regardless of cost, but for those who actually remember me from last cycle if you recall when I got into CLS I didn't want to go because NYU was so much cheaper.  I changed my mind after they basically matched NYU.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:08:00 PM
I was really very confused by all of this.  First, because Steve was really into Michigan until Harvard decided to take him (I think late, although I might be wrong about that), and also because I'd never noticed him being a prestige whore at all last cycle. 

Oh, and I have no idea what Cravath is. 

I actually thought we were talking about ties. 

I've always liked Michigan and still do - I was actually into Michigan until NYU gave me money, then into NYU until CLS gave me money, then into H.

Just, because I like a school doesn't mean that I have to unquestioningly spew forth all its virtues without tempering them with some (of what I see as) defects.

I think, for "all intensive purposes", this one sentence justifies every allegation of prestige-whoredom made against Steve, now or in the future.



Just out of curiousity do you think I should have went to Mich over HLS?  Would you?

I would, actually. But I wouldn't expect anyone else to, you included. I just have a strong affinity for Michigan rooted in my early childhood, and grandiose prestige really isn't very important to me. I also aspire to be educated, from Pre-K through university, JD, LL.M., and S.J.D., entirely by public instututions. So, I'm not a good example.


I think you're still missing the point, though. Nobody begrudges you choosing Harvard. The fact that you so reliably switched preferences on the basis of single ranking in USNews is really pretty disturbing... People here aren't arguing that NO difference exists b/w Mich. and Harvard, but that the difference is not particularly material. They're saying, it's not BIG enough for you to make such a big deal of it. It's a different argument.

In my defense I actually switched from Mich to NYU when NYU became cheaper to CLS when CLS became cheaper and to HLS which was the cheapest option of all.  So, if anything I was picking schools based not on rankings but on cost.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:15:54 PM

I would, actually. But I wouldn't expect anyone else to, you included. I just have a strong affinity for Michigan rooted in my early childhood, and grandiose prestige really isn't very important to me. I also aspire to be educated, from Pre-K through university, JD, LL.M., and S.J.D., entirely by public instututions. So, I'm not a good example.

That's really interesting (and not in a prestige-whorish way).  Can I ask why?

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teachers' union activist and I was brought up with that influence (I'm equally supportive of labor unions). I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Also, it meshes with my interest areas: Tax policy, government benefits, civil service and military issues, family law. I think it's particularly appropriate (even poetic) for someone with those interests to be educated entirely by taxpayer-funded institutions.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 11, 2007, 12:18:18 PM

I would, actually. But I wouldn't expect anyone else to, you included. I just have a strong affinity for Michigan rooted in my early childhood, and grandiose prestige really isn't very important to me. I also aspire to be educated, from Pre-K through university, JD, LL.M., and S.J.D., entirely by public instututions. So, I'm not a good example.

That's really interesting (and not in a prestige-whorish way).  Can I ask why?

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Braggard.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 12:21:00 PM

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Please forgive the naive question, but why is it important for "smart" students to remain at a public institution?  I'm not quite sure I see how their absence would harm the strength/viability of the programs.  It seems to me that the strength of a school comes from its abilities to produce excellent graduates far more so than it comes from attracting excellent applicants.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 12:22:33 PM

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Please forgive the naive question, but why is it important for "smart" students to remain at a public institution?  I'm not quite sure I see how their absence would harm the strength/viability of the programs.  It seems to me that the strength of a school comes from its abilities to produce excellent graduates far more so than it comes from attracting excellent applicants.

His argument makes sense if you buy the idea that a class that has smart students will be a better learning experience because they will help facilitate and improve the discussion.  Especially in a place like law school you learn just as much from your peers as you do from the professor. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:24:11 PM

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Please forgive the naive question, but why is it important for "smart" students to remain at a public institution?  I'm not quite sure I see how their absence would harm the strength/viability of the programs.  It seems to me that the strength of a school comes from its abilities to produce excellent graduates far more so than it comes from attracting excellent applicants.

His argument makes sense if you buy the idea that a class that has smart students will be a better learning experience because they will help facilitate and improve the discussion.  Especially in a place like law school you learn just as much from your peers as you do from the professor. 

Well put.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 12:28:21 PM

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Please forgive the naive question, but why is it important for "smart" students to remain at a public institution?  I'm not quite sure I see how their absence would harm the strength/viability of the programs.  It seems to me that the strength of a school comes from its abilities to produce excellent graduates far more so than it comes from attracting excellent applicants.

His argument makes sense if you buy the idea that a class that has smart students will be a better learning experience because they will help facilitate and improve the discussion.  Especially in a place like law school you learn just as much from your peers as you do from the professor. 

Top schools like Mich/UVA/Berkeley have no problem attracting top students.  Not sure that the departure of some applicants to other top schools hurts those top publics very much at all.  I can see this making more sense for other publics, but not those three (plus UT, UCLA, etc).
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 12:29:53 PM

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Please forgive the naive question, but why is it important for "smart" students to remain at a public institution?  I'm not quite sure I see how their absence would harm the strength/viability of the programs.  It seems to me that the strength of a school comes from its abilities to produce excellent graduates far more so than it comes from attracting excellent applicants.

His argument makes sense if you buy the idea that a class that has smart students will be a better learning experience because they will help facilitate and improve the discussion.  Especially in a place like law school you learn just as much from your peers as you do from the professor. 

Top schools like Mich/UVA/Berkeley have no problem attracting top students.  Not sure that the departure of some applicants to other top schools hurts those top publics very much at all.  I can see this making more sense for other publics, but not those three (plus UT, UCLA, etc).

I was just making the argument for public schools in general.  Personally, I think its more applicable for high school than for higher education.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 12:31:54 PM

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Please forgive the naive question, but why is it important for "smart" students to remain at a public institution?  I'm not quite sure I see how their absence would harm the strength/viability of the programs.  It seems to me that the strength of a school comes from its abilities to produce excellent graduates far more so than it comes from attracting excellent applicants.

His argument makes sense if you buy the idea that a class that has smart students will be a better learning experience because they will help facilitate and improve the discussion.  Especially in a place like law school you learn just as much from your peers as you do from the professor. 

Top schools like Mich/UVA/Berkeley have no problem attracting top students.  Not sure that the departure of some applicants to other top schools hurts those top publics very much at all.  I can see this making more sense for other publics, but not those three (plus UT, UCLA, etc).

Oh, I agree entirely. All are excellent examples of how well public institutions can do, given the appropriate circumstances. It's more a romantic notion than a principled stand, really.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 11, 2007, 02:19:49 PM
I'm sorry you didn't get into the school you wanted to go to, but thats no reason to take it out on others; next time try to emulate those you consider "prestige whores."

You go to a better school than me.  Oh, good one, you really got me.  And with that, why are you on LSD instead of XOXO? 

*shrug*  I could transfer to Berkeley, the school I really wanted to go to.  Or GULC to hang out with Lily, who unlike you is actually cool, or even *gasp* Michigan or CCN.  I'm happy with where I'm at, and with my career outlook based on my class rank at my school.  If other similarly situated students want to transfer to Chicago or Columbia or maybe even Harvard, great, I wish them the best wherever they end up.

Thats a good question.

This is true.

Enjoy Minnesota.




And the douchebaggery continues.



See how the REAL opinions come out when someone calls you on it?  You elitist prick.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 02:26:13 PM

And the douchebaggery continues.



See how the REAL opinions come out when someone calls you on it?  You elitist prick.


Let's just drop this.  In the end, didn't seem like anyone got anywhere. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 11, 2007, 02:35:20 PM
I'm sorry you didn't get into the school you wanted to go to, but thats no reason to take it out on others; next time try to emulate those you consider "prestige whores."

You go to a better school than me.  Oh, good one, you really got me.  And with that, why are you on LSD instead of XOXO? 

*shrug*  I could transfer to Berkeley, the school I really wanted to go to.  Or GULC to hang out with Lily, who unlike you is actually cool, or even *gasp* Michigan or CCN.  I'm happy with where I'm at, and with my career outlook based on my class rank at my school.  If other similarly situated students want to transfer to Chicago or Columbia or maybe even Harvard, great, I wish them the best wherever they end up.

Thats a good question.

This is true.

Enjoy Minnesota.




And the douchebaggery continues.



See how the REAL opinions come out when someone calls you on it?  You elitist prick.


Yea the bolded was a pretty sh!tty thing to say. Tsk.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 11, 2007, 02:39:36 PM
Which bolded?

that last bolded--Enjoy Minnesota. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2007, 03:00:42 PM

Idealistic belief in the power and importance of public education. Other than that, my Dad is a teacher's union activist and I was brought up with that influence. I believe strongly in the duty of a just society to assure opportunity, and as a (relatively) talented person, I think it's goood for talented people to patronize the system. If everyone smart is "sorted" out of public education and cherry-picked into private institutions, it dilutes the quality of the public education's student body and thus the strength and viability of the programs.

That said, I'm no saint, and this is by no means an OVERRIDING need. I applied to some private schools, as well, just in case... but a law school's public status earns it a lot of points with me. (Yes, I realize how strange that is.) That's just my preferred result.

Please forgive the naive question, but why is it important for "smart" students to remain at a public institution?  I'm not quite sure I see how their absence would harm the strength/viability of the programs.  It seems to me that the strength of a school comes from its abilities to produce excellent graduates far more so than it comes from attracting excellent applicants.

His argument makes sense if you buy the idea that a class that has smart students will be a better learning experience because they will help facilitate and improve the discussion.  Especially in a place like law school you learn just as much from your peers as you do from the professor. 


i'd prefer to learn from someone who actually knows what the hell they are talking about, rather than another 1L.  especially the ones who talk in class.  :P

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 03:12:32 PM
Gosh, there does seem to be a lot of anger on LSD these days.   :-\
I can only hope that the day when it will all be directed my way is almost upon us...I've got a salty turn of phrase or two that I've been sitting on...




This is interesting.  Lets assume you are right and I am only preoccupied with money, my alma mater, etc.  What gives you the right to dictate what I should or should not be preoccupied with?  As long as my desires don't affect/hurt you it really isn't any of your concern.  Last I checked this was still the land of the free not a socialist farce.

Your douchebaggery is truly epic.

As is your idiocy.

AHA, and finally, we have it! I criticize you, therefore I am an "idiot". I don't know what your definition of an "idiot" is, but I doubt anyone on this board meets that definition in the mind of any rational and objective observer. What is it about what I've said that gives you evidence that I am an "idiot"? I'm curious.

I don't really expect an answer to that, of course. The truth is simple: you are a buffoon. A pompous ass. With such an inflated belief in your own preeminent self-worth as to render any criticism of your person *blasphemous*. It strikes you as outrageous that anyone so inconsequential as ME should PRESUME to comment your character. In your mind, nobody could possibly find anything less than perfection in your pristine, lily-white ass.

So, you write me off as an "idiot". It saves you the trouble of subjecting yourself to even a cursory critical examination. And it allows you to continue under the assumption, which you have held all along, that you are smarter, more righteous, and more worthwhile than me. And everyone else on this board who agrees with me, I gather.

As the thread has progressed, you have responded to other people's criticisms by become progressively MORE smug, MORE arrogant, MORE self-righteous, and MORE elitist. You continue to present the thread's best argument AGAINST your own cause.

I certainly HOPE you're not this insufferable away from the comfortable anonymity and immunity of the internet. If so, I grieve for every person who has the grave misfortune of knowing you.



This is embarrassing...you call him a feminine hygiene product, he responds in kind and then you go off like a desperate martyr that's being frogmarched to the guillotine...COME ON....enough of this "right-hand-doesn't-know-what-the-left-is-doing" behaviour...so you can flame him, but it's beyond conception that he could be flaming you?  Everything he says must be gone over with a fine tooth comb with an eye toward unearthing contradictions, empirical failings, symptoms of smarminess and YES the always amusing (if by that you mean lame beyond belief...demerits all around folks) spelling boo boos...but you should get by because you're standing in the crowd and "hey, everyone else has a stone..."?   

Quote
You Sir, are a feminine hygiene product...
What's that...an idiot you say?
You knave, how dare you impugn my character?...
Stand here and cower in the face of my self-righteous rage....


Wow, this thread got out of hand.  I was just saying that he was a prestige whore in denial and possibly retarded, and I feel like that pales in comparison to some of the hatred out there now. 

I'm terribly amused by guessing right on calling him a Bushie, though.  :D

Don't be coy...you loved it...

Edit: for messy quoting.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 03:36:13 PM
You're right, Brer. So what?


And what role do you assume in this affair?

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 03:36:55 PM
Lol...so naive...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 03:38:16 PM
Lol...so naive...

Or just honest and lacking the pretense of assuming I have any noble reason for being here.

I doubt "naive", though. Are you starting in with it now?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
Lol...so naive...

Or just honest and lacking the pretense of assuming I have any noble reason for being here.

I doubt "naive", though. Are you starting in with it now?

Lol...

:::dies:::

...or kills thread or something
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 11, 2007, 06:33:51 PM
Brer, I don't understand your urge to protect the little lambs here. 

Yes, hyperbole abounds.  No, we're not wrong in calling Steve a feminine hygiene product.  I'd say Jolie's statements come the closest to the truth, although I'm not going to pretend like I didn't find halfie's flaming amusing.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 06:58:40 PM
I'm not protecting the lambs...I'm just saying *&^% stinks, but Steve is not the only one that's dropped a deuce around here...

Basically...yes, take a swipe at Steve...but this thirty page pile on was unwarranted...nothing he's said is that egregious...and I've seen worse (in this vein) that was/is swallowed because it's coming/it came from a "name" poster...no one has been able to stretch Steve's "bad behavior" far enough to even begin to cover the venom in this thread...not even close...

I just thought it said a lot more about those who were bashing than the bashee...namely that they're all filthy beasts...I just wanted them to own that instead of bitching at Steve but holding themselves up as paragons of virtue...

Also: quit jocking me beast, I'm indulging in mindless television...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 11, 2007, 07:09:23 PM
Two things:

1.  Steve's obtuse need to defend his prestige-whoring through more prestige-whoring without admitting that he's a prestige whore is what's pushed this to 30 pages.  He could've jumped ship like he said he was going to, or he could've simply owned up to being a prestige-whore, and this thread wouldn't have jumped the shark nearly as badly.

So you see, you are protecting the little lambs.

2.  Sure, it says a lot about all the bashers.  But it says different things about each one.  I think most of us have owned up to that, so I really don't understand your need to point that out. 

"Paragons of virtue"?  Nah.  Protecting the little lambs again. 


We're annoyed with Steve for being haughty and aloof and pretending like he's not, and his responses have been haughty and aloof while pretending he's not.  The two sides stoke each other, but he really is asking for it.  And has been for a long time. 

 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 07:37:39 PM
I'm not protecting the lambs...I'm just saying sh*t stinks, but Steve is not the only one that's dropped a deuce around here...

Basically...yes, take a swipe at Steve...but this thirty page pile on was unwarranted...nothing he's said is that egregious...and I've seen worse (in this vein) that was/is swallowed because it's coming/it came from a "name" poster...no one has been able to stretch Steve's "bad behavior" far enough to even begin to cover the venom in this thread...not even close...

I just thought it said a lot more about those who were bashing than the bashee...namely that they're all filthy beasts...I just wanted them to own that instead of bitching at Steve but holding themselves up as paragons of virtue...

Again, I don't think you're pointing out anything that "we" aren't aware of.

Thanks for caring, though.  :-*
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 07:40:05 PM
Explicit admission: EDIT: Full disclosure - I would have picked HLS over any other school regardless of cost, but for those who actually remember me from last cycle if you recall when I got into CLS I didn't want to go because NYU was so much cheaper.  I changed my mind after they basically matched NYU.

Implicit admission: Thats fine J - I don't have much patience for hypocrites who call me a "prestige whore" for going to the best school I got into while they do the exact same thing and presume themselves above it.

What exactly are you looking for...a scarlet P?

You, Halfie and a belated, halfhearted "yeah you got me, I have an agenda" from whoever the hell "Last life" is does not add up to most of the posters...I wish we were the only ones who posted...it sure would have made for a funnier thread...

And stop making me out to be red., the lambs can suck it...

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 07:45:35 PM

You, Halfie and a belated, halfhearted "yeah you got me, I have an agenda" from whoever the hell "Last life" is does not add up to most of the posters...I wish we were the only ones who posted...it sure would have made for a funnier thread...


Hardly belated and half-hearted, though. I never pretended I was doing anything otherwise than flinging shite from the beginning.

I differ from those in that the prestige whoring and smug attitude bother me. It's about as worthless as me bitching about it on this thread, only there are real world implications in his case. And I won't fail to keep flinging those deuces he keeps dropping right back in his face (if for no other reason than that I'm a rotten lout, though with the perhaps "naive" and "virtuous" notion that he might one day pull his head out of his own ass).

Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 07:53:43 PM

You, Halfie and a belated, halfhearted "yeah you got me, I have an agenda" from whoever the hell "Last life" is does not add up to most of the posters...I wish we were the only ones who posted...it sure would have made for a funnier thread...


Hardly belated and half-hearted, though. I never pretended I was doing anything otherwise than flinging shite from the beginning.

I differ from those in that the prestige whoring and smug attitude bother me. It's about as worthless as me bitching about it on this thread, only there are real world implications in his case. And I won't fail to keep flinging those deuces he keeps dropping right back in his face (if for no other reason than that I'm a rotten lout, though with the perhaps "naive" and "virtuous" notion that he might one day pull his head out of his own ass).



pls explain
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: BrerAnansi on February 11, 2007, 08:00:07 PM

You, Halfie and a belated, halfhearted "yeah you got me, I have an agenda" from whoever the hell "Last life" is does not add up to most of the posters...I wish we were the only ones who posted...it sure would have made for a funnier thread...


Hardly belated and half-hearted, though. I never pretended I was doing anything otherwise than flinging shite from the beginning.

I differ from those in that the prestige whoring and smug attitude bother me. It's about as worthless as me bitching about it on this thread, only there are real world implications in his case. And I won't fail to keep flinging those deuces he keeps dropping right back in his face (if for no other reason than that I'm a rotten lout, though with the perhaps "naive" and "virtuous" notion that he might one day pull his head out of his own ass).



You go head...he might follow your example...

You're male right?...I'm pretty sure the other ladies already pulled a "female dog out and be out"...listen boys, you're not going to get the admission you're looking for from Steve...he's simply the wrong gender for that...

Also: are you Andrew?...there's something familiar about you...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: last light on February 11, 2007, 08:02:08 PM

You, Halfie and a belated, halfhearted "yeah you got me, I have an agenda" from whoever the hell "Last life" is does not add up to most of the posters...I wish we were the only ones who posted...it sure would have made for a funnier thread...


Hardly belated and half-hearted, though. I never pretended I was doing anything otherwise than flinging shite from the beginning.

I differ from those in that the prestige whoring and smug attitude bother me. It's about as worthless as me bitching about it on this thread, only there are real world implications in his case. And I won't fail to keep flinging those deuces he keeps dropping right back in his face (if for no other reason than that I'm a rotten lout, though with the perhaps "naive" and "virtuous" notion that he might one day pull his head out of his own ass).



pls explain

List the goals you have set for yourself post-law school. You can do it here, or just run them through your head. What does it suggest to you?

Also, I'm not expecting an answer to this. Play around with it for awhile; see what your priorities are, and what that says about yourself. 

I have some guesses. If I'm right, I'm a petty lout and you're a worthless, smug pile of sh*t. But I could very well be wrong. In that case, oh well, I'm still a petty lout and you're a contributing member to society that used that advantages that his degree afforded him to their utmost potential.

I prefer the latter.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 08:10:04 PM

You, Halfie and a belated, halfhearted "yeah you got me, I have an agenda" from whoever the hell "Last life" is does not add up to most of the posters...I wish we were the only ones who posted...it sure would have made for a funnier thread...


Hardly belated and half-hearted, though. I never pretended I was doing anything otherwise than flinging shite from the beginning.

I differ from those in that the prestige whoring and smug attitude bother me. It's about as worthless as me bitching about it on this thread, only there are real world implications in his case. And I won't fail to keep flinging those deuces he keeps dropping right back in his face (if for no other reason than that I'm a rotten lout, though with the perhaps "naive" and "virtuous" notion that he might one day pull his head out of his own ass).



pls explain

List the goals you have set for yourself post-law school. You can do it here, or just run them through your head. What does it suggest to you?

Also, I'm not expecting an answer to this. Play around with it for awhile; see what your priorities are, and what that says about yourself. 

I have some guesses. If I'm right, I'm a petty lout and you're a worthless, smug pile of sh*t. But I could very well be wrong. In that case, oh well, I'm still a petty lout and you're a contributing member to society that used that advantages that his degree afforded him to their utmost potential.

I prefer the latter.

I have no interest in working in finance or biglaw ever - if I did I wouldn't be here - I had plenty of offers in finance already.

That aside, and our political leanings aside I'm going to step back for a moment and assume that you have at least some semblance of respect (if not love) in regards to what this country stands for.  In this country we value hard work, we cherish ambition, and creativity.  If someone decides they want to use their high-powered education to make millions of dollars, never donate to charity, and use that money for nothing other than buying fancy cars and 500k watches who are we to say otherwise?  I may not agree with it, and you may not agree with it, but at the end of the day millions of people died so he could have that right, and to even suggest that the aforementioned right should be curtailed in the name of some vague "social conscience" is to spit upon their graves.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2007, 08:13:06 PM
me, personally, i've spent the last 30 years in public service.

i have plenty of personal satisfaction, but no bank account and no retirement.  i'm going to law school for the money.  sell my soul to the highest bidder, make all the bonuses for 15 years, and then sit on the beach in maui drinking mai tais.




says the guy who is giving away his 1L summer to a legal services center.   :P
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 11, 2007, 08:16:29 PM
That aside, and our political leanings aside I'm going to step back for a moment and assume that you have at least some semblance of respect (if not love) in regards to what this country stands for.  In this country we value hard work, we cherish ambition, and creativity.  If someone decides they want to use their high-powered education to make millions of dollars, never donate to charity, and use that money for nothing other than buying fancy cars and 500k watches who are we to say otherwise?  I may not agree with it, and you may not agree with it, but at the end of the day millions of people died so he could have that right, and to even suggest that the aforementioned right should be curtailed in the name of some vague "social conscience" is to spit upon their graves.

Like I correctly guessed/predicted, a Bushie who can only understand Thomasian jurisprudence.  :D

I prefer Roberts/Scalia thanks.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2007, 08:20:40 PM
Roberts is kinda hot.



i heard he wears manties under his robes
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 11, 2007, 08:23:26 PM
Roberts is kinda hot.



i heard he wears manties under his robes

I just threw up a little in the back of my mouth.

Seconded.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2007, 08:24:25 PM
Manties?

Is that like Cravath?


sax, c'mon, you haven't heard of manties?

http://www.manties.net/
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 12, 2007, 07:15:30 AM
I don't like trannies. 

Sax, now that you're gay or whatever, I tolerate this kind of crap even less.

The rest of you, I'm pleased, at least, with how often you bandied about the term "douchebaggery" in this thread.

Like I said, Steve and I have never seen eye to eye on much (and he is an ass), but you don't have to leave your crew to find worse prestige whoredom (terse dismissals of one's education at GULC, Berkeley, and NU, anyone?).  I fear the real issue here is that Steve isn't cool in any sense of the word.  I didn't like the way everyone piled on, but whatever.  It was worth some chuckles.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Steve.jd on February 12, 2007, 07:46:50 AM
That aside, and our political leanings aside I'm going to step back for a moment and assume that you have at least some semblance of respect (if not love) in regards to what this country stands for.  In this country we value hard work, we cherish ambition, and creativity.  If someone decides they want to use their high-powered education to make millions of dollars, never donate to charity, and use that money for nothing other than buying fancy cars and 500k watches who are we to say otherwise?  I may not agree with it, and you may not agree with it, but at the end of the day millions of people died so he could have that right, and to even suggest that the aforementioned right should be curtailed in the name of some vague "social conscience" is to spit upon their graves.

lmao.  at this point i have to believe that steve's messing with y'all.


i <3 you red
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Hank Rearden on February 12, 2007, 07:53:00 AM
y'all.

*sniff sniff*

You've made this Texan very proud. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: jer on February 12, 2007, 08:19:43 AM

Aww Demingh, do I really deserve such a backhanded wish for happiness?

Absolutely. My gift, from me to you.

And just for some closure, why do I deserve it?

Interesting. Those who know me on this board can assure you I have been holding back my opinion for months now, and I think I've done a pretty decent job of doing so. But hey, since you asked -

Slicka - you're an insufferable a$$hole. Of course, this comes as no new news to you, but I see you've grown accustomed to this personality and are unlikely to break out of that shell.

Given all the opportunities and accomplishments of your life, you have an astoundingly short and narrow world-view. While steve's utter ridiculousness can be passed off as the unfortunate side-effect of a silver spoon up his a$$, I struggle to understand how you could be so simple-minded. In this, I find greater disgust.

Your opinions and contributions to this board can be summed up easily.

1. I am utterly and solely deserving of all that comes my way.
2. Therefore my prestige-whoreness is justified.
3. HLS being the ultimate in prestige. Oh my, must it terribly sad to be the rest of you, but don't worry I will attack your pitiful choices nonetheless.

In fact, if you want to use that summary instead of the pointless drivel you typically post, I'm perfectly fine relinquishing the rights to it.


I wish Mike245 could sit you down and teach you a lesson in humility and gratitude, but Mike has done enough good in this world that I wouldn't punish him like that.


So, now that I have given you my blessing of a happy and full life at Harvard, can you please do me the favor of withdrawing from Columbia? Although I know the chances are slim to none that you would lower yourself to the TTT of CLS, I do live in a mildly constant fear that I would have to deal with you on a daily basis.


[img width= height=]http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown/files/2006/07/snap.jpg[/img]
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 12, 2007, 09:13:39 AM
It would have been better had any of what she said was right (except for the Harvard prestige whoring, which I fully admit to).
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 12, 2007, 12:51:38 PM
It would have been better had any of what she said was right (except for the Harvard prestige whoring, which I fully admit to).

Which part do you disagree with?

I never derided anyone for the schools they were considering/attending.  I have no idea where that came from.  Also never said or implied I was deserving or entitled in any way to anything.  I certainly made my jealousy well known of other people's success, but that's just my honesty, not my entitlement. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Miss P on February 12, 2007, 12:56:48 PM
It would have been better had any of what she said was right (except for the Harvard prestige whoring, which I fully admit to).

Which part do you disagree with?

I never derided anyone for the schools they were considering/attending.  I have no idea where that came from.  Also never said or implied I was deserving or entitled in any way to anything.  I certainly made my jealousy well known of other people's success, but that's just my honesty, not my entitlement. 

FWIW, even though you and I disagree on a lot of things and you're often elitist in a way that burns me up, I haven't really gotten this "sense of entitlement" thing from you either.  Your frankness, for instance, regarding your practice average and your surprise at the 175 seems to reveal at least a modicum of humility.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 12, 2007, 01:02:07 PM
It would have been better had any of what she said was right (except for the Harvard prestige whoring, which I fully admit to).

Which part do you disagree with?

I never derided anyone for the schools they were considering/attending.  I have no idea where that came from.  Also never said or implied I was deserving or entitled in any way to anything.  I certainly made my jealousy well known of other people's success, but that's just my honesty, not my entitlement. 

I believe demingh was referring to your attitude, and not saying you ever explicitly derided someone for school choices. I'm too lazy to dig up examples, but judging by other people's opinions of you, I'm pretty confident that demingh and I aren't alone in these beliefs.

Most of the people I've riled up are flames who love to get riled up anyway.  Demingh, clearly, is not a flame, and she and I never crossed paths all that much (to the best of my knowledge), which is why I was surprised by her vitriol.  It seems as if the majority of people are equally confused (and the people who are cheering about her post just love a good jeering, regardless of its merits and regardless of who it's aimed at). 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: nowitzski on February 12, 2007, 04:54:55 PM
<----------Admitted to NYU and Michigan.

<----------Not going to NYU.


/just sayin'.

For the benefit of this discussion may I ask why?

Because it seems like a better fit for my personality.  Besides, all the cool kids are goin' there ;).

But seriously, what you really want to know (it seems) is why am I not BOTHERED by going to Michigan over NYU.  Mainly I don't percieve the vast differences in prestige you're claiming.  If we can use SCOTUS clerkships as one example, flawed though it may be, NYU and Michigan place roughly the same.  The pure prestige rankings halfie (at least I think it was halfie) posted earlier in this very thread ranked NYU . . . what?  One place higher?  Big whoop.  I mean, the biggest difference between NYU and Michigan seems to come from everyone's favorite rankings whipping boy: US NEWS.  And speaking of prestige -at OCIs, the only V10 firms I can think of off the top of my head who DON'T interview at Michigan are Cleary and Wachtell . . . yes, mighty Cravath (with whom you seem obsessed, though lord only knows why, since all of their associates seem to hate the place) slogs out to Ann Arbor every year to interview Michigan students.  Surely they aren't wasting their time when they can (and do) just take a car 30 blocks for NYU?   

I can second as another person who turned down NYU for UM.  My decision was based primarily on the strength of the university as a whole, specifically the top 3 polysci PHD program.  NYU Law is an excellent school for certain career choices, but I felt (and still feel) that UM as a whole is a much stronger university with better alumni and excellent cross-discipline potential (JD/MA, JD/PHD).  I should also add that geography (midwest) was a strong consideration. 
 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Thistle on February 12, 2007, 06:07:12 PM
...(and the people who are cheering about her post just love a good jeering, regardless of its merits and regardless of who it's aimed at). 


hey, who doesn't!  meritless jeering, if artfully accomplished, is quite entertaining. :D
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2007, 06:17:28 PM
...(and the people who are cheering about her post just love a good jeering, regardless of its merits and regardless of who it's aimed at). 


hey, who doesn't!  meritless jeering, if artfully accomplished, is quite entertaining. :D


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O!!!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Thistle on February 12, 2007, 06:18:44 PM
...(and the people who are cheering about her post just love a good jeering, regardless of its merits and regardless of who it's aimed at). 


hey, who doesn't!  meritless jeering, if artfully accomplished, is quite entertaining. :D


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O!!!



come now, you of all people revel in a good jeering
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2007, 06:22:00 PM
...(and the people who are cheering about her post just love a good jeering, regardless of its merits and regardless of who it's aimed at). 


hey, who doesn't!  meritless jeering, if artfully accomplished, is quite entertaining. :D


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O!!!



come now, you of all people revel in a good jeering


No I don't!  You suck!  BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Thistle on February 12, 2007, 06:27:08 PM
...(and the people who are cheering about her post just love a good jeering, regardless of its merits and regardless of who it's aimed at). 


hey, who doesn't!  meritless jeering, if artfully accomplished, is quite entertaining. :D


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO O!!!



come now, you of all people revel in a good jeering


No I don't!  You suck!  BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


your princess bride tactics will avail you not  :D
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2007, 06:29:06 PM
My name... is Indigo Montoya... You killed my father... Prepare to die..


*stumbles*
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2007, 07:03:44 PM
That is nuts!  What's it called?


Also, I'm glad to find out how that name is spelled.  FINALLY.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: dashrashi on February 12, 2007, 07:12:51 PM
I am using my psychic powers (read: imdb) and will say:

Criminal Minds
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2007, 07:43:11 PM
Who IS that?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: dashrashi on February 12, 2007, 07:46:42 PM
Matthew Gray Gubler. (Thanks again, imdb!)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 12, 2007, 08:15:02 PM
He and my best friend went to film school together at NYU; they hit it off and now they live across from each other in LA. Only Matt "made it" and my friend didn't. Ha ha.

If you search around you can find a video of him and my best friend "dancing" together to Mr. Roboto. Ha again.

(This might be freakishly revealing, but I think I'm still relatively net-anonymous)

The adcoms are already on it, and they're zeroing in on your position as we speak. 
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2007, 08:34:35 PM
I KNEW halfie's an adcomm!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on February 20, 2007, 09:32:03 PM
Bump for the manties if nothing else.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: ..... on February 20, 2007, 09:34:05 PM
Bump for the manties if nothing else.

Just had to exhume this fetid cadaver, didn't you?




Necrophiliac.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on February 20, 2007, 09:34:54 PM
Bump for the manties if nothing else.

Just had to exhume this fetid cadaver, didn't you?




Necrophiliac.

Just stirring the pot a little.  It will make my work day tomorrow more exciting.  ;)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Slim on June 25, 2007, 09:30:41 AM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?
Flame

Relight!
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: TwinkyBean on June 25, 2007, 09:59:33 AM
so far I have gotten into the following schools:

Michigan
Duke
Georgetown
Cornell
Berkeley

And I guess that is ok........but I still feel very down. I guess what I am having a hard time with is that even though I have gotten into good schools, I haven't gotten into any schools I would be *happy* attending, and the only schools that are in that category that I applied to are Penn, Chicago, NYU and Columbia, and I am wl at CLS, so little to no shot. When you are accustomed to a high level of success anything that is even slightly less than stellar feels like a massive disappointment. Its embarrassing to say, but I would really feel slightly ashamed to go to Duke or Mich........sigh, what is wrong with me?

yeah I don't know what is wrong with you, but something is wrong.
anyways, I *REALLY* want to go to duke, so if you're not gonna go, why don't you tell them that, ok?

Yeah, I agree.. Dont think i'd be bitching if I were you... :)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: bamf on June 25, 2007, 11:04:59 AM
we didn't really have to bring this thread back, did we?
You guys will see all sorts of annoying people over the next cycle, fyi.  best thing to do it just ignore them.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Quail! on June 25, 2007, 11:21:31 AM
we didn't really have to bring this thread back, did we?
You guys will see all sorts of annoying people over the next cycle, fyi.  best thing to do it just ignore them.

Another word to future applicants:

You might very well feel like the OP at some point or another, I know I was.  It was "disappointing" for me to get waitlisted at most of the T14s I applied to, after being used to outright success. 

I thought to myself "Alright, I guess I'll go to Cornell because it's the best option for what I want to do" even though I wasn't happy about it.  Fast forward to a couple months later, and I've fallen in love with Cornell, and couldn't be happier to be going there in the fall (although I'm still holding a couple waitlists) - it just took some time to get over initial disappointment and really see what was waiting for me at Cornell.

Lesson learned:  The initial disappointment will pass, and you might end up happier where you go than you ever thought you could be.  Once your ego heals, you learn what you really value in a school, aside from the rankings.  So just chill out and realize that your #1 choice might change...
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Slim on June 25, 2007, 11:41:45 AM
we didn't really have to bring this thread back, did we?
You guys will see all sorts of annoying people over the next cycle, fyi.  best thing to do it just ignore them.

Another word to future applicants:

You might very well feel like the OP at some point or another, I know I was.  It was "disappointing" for me to get waitlisted at most of the T14s I applied to, after being used to outright success. 

I thought to myself "Alright, I guess I'll go to Cornell because it's the best option for what I want to do" even though I wasn't happy about it.  Fast forward to a couple months later, and I've fallen in love with Cornell, and couldn't be happier to be going there in the fall (although I'm still holding a couple waitlists) - it just took some time to get over initial disappointment and really see what was waiting for me at Cornell.

Lesson learned:  The initial disappointment will pass, and you might end up happier where you go than you ever thought you could be.  Once your ego heals, you learn what you really value in a school, aside from the rankings.  So just chill out and realize that your #1 choice might change...
TITCR :)
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: sanskirt on June 27, 2007, 01:25:40 AM
I don't agree w/ the OP, but at the same time I wonder: What's so bad about taking a year off and reapplying if you aren't happy with what you got?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: bamf on June 27, 2007, 07:21:50 AM
I don't agree w/ the OP, but at the same time I wonder: What's so bad about taking a year off and reapplying if you aren't happy with what you got?

There is nothing bad about it.  The reason this thread sparked outrage was because of the like "I really would be ashamed to attend Mich or Duke."  If you are set on a specific school for academic reasons that is one thing, but this guy just seemed to care about prestige.  Presumably we are all going through this process because we want to be lawyers.  I'm going to go ahead and say that, at least for people getting in to the caliber of schools that the OP was dissing, your ability to become a good lawyer is about 10% what school you go to a 90% your talent.  I believe the message of this thread is to not be blinded by rankings.
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Beurre on June 27, 2007, 09:31:05 AM
just one question.


so what is the OP doing right now? Is he going to take a year off?
Title: Re: gotten into great schools....but still disappointed. any thoughts?
Post by: Slim on June 27, 2007, 10:09:00 AM
I don't agree w/ the OP, but at the same time I wonder: What's so bad about taking a year off and reapplying if you aren't happy with what you got?

There is nothing bad about it.  The reason this thread sparked outrage was because of the like "I really would be ashamed to attend Mich or Duke."  If you are set on a specific school for academic reasons that is one thing, but this guy just seemed to care about prestige.  Presumably we are all going through this process because we want to be lawyers.  I'm going to go ahead and say that, at least for people getting in to the caliber of schools that the OP was dissing, your ability to become a good lawyer is about 10% what school you go to a 90% your talent.  I believe the message of this thread is to not be blinded by rankings.
That goes for everyone where ever you go.  The presteige of your school only shows what you potential starting point may be the first 3 years out fo L.S. and how fast you'll be able to pay off your L.S. debt.  Good luck if you can't see beyond that.