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Deciding Where to Go => Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists => Topic started by: DC Waiting on March 01, 2004, 06:17:01 PM

Title: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on March 01, 2004, 06:17:01 PM
Hey everyone.. I'm waitlisted at Georgetown and accepted at GW (with a scholarship). My stats were 3.78/167.  Anyway, I'm trying to decide how much I should suck up to Georgetown - I haven't done anything yet, and I found out about the waitlist in January.  It's just hard to think about turning down money at GW - they are both good schools and even though G-town has a better reputation, I don't know if it would be worth it.  The question for now, though, is what, if anything, should I send to Georgetown?  Advice?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: kevinc on March 02, 2004, 06:02:58 AM
i'm also waitlisted at gtown; i'm on the priority waiting list. how about you?

from what i hear, starting in april, gtown admissions'll be sending out emails to all the people on the waiting list, trying to assess whether we're all still interested in attending gtown.

the first thing you and i should do is reply, letting them know that we're still very interested. and upon replying - i was informed by an admissions person who works at gtown that - we should contact the admissions office, either by phone or email, every week following receipt of email, letting them know about our continued interest in gtown's program.

this is important, because when the admissions board looks over our files again - assuming spaces are available - they'll ask the admissions office how many times applicant A, or applicant B has contacted the admissions office concerning his/her status. If you've contacted the office many times - let's say 40 times - this will likely reflect well on your interests in attending gtown and will most likely positively affect how the board reviews your file...keep in mind, every time you call georgetown, they will make a note of it on your admissions file. so if you call 40 times, they will have documented evidence that you in fact called 40 times.

so yeah, hope that helps...also, since schools are interested in keeping up their yield rate, if you let the admissions office know that you'll attend gtown without a second thought, if accepted, that might help make you a more appealing candidate to accept.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on March 02, 2004, 07:02:52 AM
Hmmm.. I've heard the same thing.  I've also heard that you get a "point" every time you contact a professor or anyone else there.  I'm actually only on the General waiting list (I applied Early Action). I'm thinking about writing a letter now, expressing my continued interest, and then reiterating that in April.  In the meantime, I will end up giving my deposit to GW I suppose.  Do you know who you'll commit to in the meantime?

By the way, I've also heard that G-town, more than other schools, uses their waitlist as an admissions "tool" - meaning that they are usually pretty conservative with initial acceptances, and end up using their waitlist more often than others do..
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: kevinc on March 02, 2004, 08:59:47 AM
Hello again,

I think you're right about Georgetown using their waitlist as an "admissions tool." They admitted 50 people off the list last year - a phenomenal number compared to the number of students other top schools typically accept off their wait list.

by the way, how does gtown keep track of the number of times wait list applicants contact professors at gulc?

and to answer your question, I'll most likely commit to Boston College in the meantime...I'm not too happy about that cuz i want to go to school in LA. I'm hoping to get into either USC or UCLA, but I haven't heard back from them yet.

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on March 02, 2004, 09:12:22 AM
Apparently the professors are obligated to tell the admissions office when a prospective student contacts them.. this is info from someone who worked at the admin office a few years ago..
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Pub. Interest gal on March 08, 2004, 12:43:15 PM
I'm not sure what exactly you are looking for in terms of confirmation that there are indeed two waitlists, but maybe my insight will help.  In one of the rudest worded letters imaginable, Georgetown informed me that not only was I not quite qualified enough to be offered admission, but nor was I qualified enough to be placed on their Preffered waitlist.  They did however place me on their "secondary" waitlist, just in case they can't fill their incoming class with students of their admitted and preffered waitlists.  :P
 They told me (only slightly more eloquently) that while preferred applicants can expect to hear somewhat shortly after the reponse deadline, in late April, May or as late as June, applicants such as myself that are on the secondary waitlist should not expect to hear before August, and could hear as late as the first day of classes and not to get my hopes up.

So, rest assured- it is not a ploy.  There are indeed two waitlists!  :)

(Sorry if you sense any bitterness- I don't even really want to go to Georgetown, and would actually prefer to go to GW, but the rudeness of their letter has left a strong distaste in my mouth for the school).
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: skotval on March 08, 2004, 01:38:08 PM
When you guys say you are on the waitlist for Georgetown, did you get the email from them asking you to send more information and confirm your interest?  I received an email from the admissions office a couple weeks ago saying that in a normal year I would have had an acceptance letter by now, but this year they have so many applications so they wanted me to send them any additional information I had and let them know that I was still interested in attending Georgetown.  They said they would get back to us this week (week of March 8).  Is anyone else in this similar situation?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: kevinc on March 09, 2004, 07:03:31 AM
skotval,

gulc sent you that email becuz you're probably overqualified to attend gulc. and by overqualified i mean you probably have a lsat score and a gpa that're quite far above the median lsat score and gpa at gulc. so what gulc is trying to do - by sending you an email - is to make sure you're likely to attend gulc if accepted. cuz if you're set on attending a school like harvard, yale, stanford, or any other top ten school, gulc will likely not want to extend you an offer, so to protect their yield rate - which is the percentage of students who matriculate out of the total number of students who're accepted. and gulc's hoping that if you're set on attending another school, that you'll kindly relay that information via email.

"the higher the yield rate, the higher the prestige" is one of the ways usnews calculates a school's ranking...check out yale's yield rate. for fall 2002, yale gave out 256 acceptances, and out of that number 191 matriculated. (75% yield rate) stanford on the other hand gave out 423 acceptances, and had 170 students matriculate. (40% yield rate) as you go farther down the rankings, the percentage of matriculation to acceptances gets lower and lower. (for example, for fall 2002, gulc accepted 1942 students, and 450 matriculated; a yield rate of 23%)...

so...in short, gulc's trying to get their yield rate up...that's why you received the email. so if you really wanna attend gulc, let them know when you reply. and if you're set on attending another school, then give them that information. and if you wanna keep your options open, then pretend you wanna attend gulc, even if you really don't want to.

hope that helps...

by the way, i got all my numbers from lsac.org

here's the link:
http://officialguide.lsac.org/docs/cgi-bin/home.asp
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on March 09, 2004, 08:34:10 AM
Hey guys,
 A couple of thoughts:

1) G-town Waitlist: I am still on the general waitlist, and yes, I will also confirm that there are indeed two waitlists, however I read a quote from Andy Cornblatt in a book saying that they take people off both lists.  I think they usually take more off the preferred list, but this is good so I'm not necessarily doomed.  I've heard that there could be up to 200 people on each waitlist, and that in any given year they will take on average 30-50 total, including people from both lists.

    Also, I know someone who was moved from the general to the preferred list a few years ago, so that happens too.  I have a feeling that having a "preferred" list might be some kind of political ploy on their part - rumors from a former admissions employee that if you have a letter or rec from an important person you may get put on the "preferred" list, maybe just to make your recommender feel better.  In the end, they don't even number their waiting lists, so it's all a crapshoot

2) GWU v. GULC: I have been talking to a lot of lawyers, etc about the difference between these two degrees, and everyone tells me that the basic difference is job placement, but that if you work hard at GWU, try to get on law review, get decent internships, etc that you can do anything a G-town grad can.  I have a scholarship to GW, and the students seem to be really happy there, so I'm excited to go, but I'm planning on studying pretty hard.

3) Yield rate: Just a note that U.S. News stopped using yield rate in their formula last year, because too many schools were becoming obsessed with early decision programs, which guaranteed them higher yield
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: kevinc on March 09, 2004, 09:08:01 AM
i didn't know usnews stopped using yield rates. thanks for the info dcwaiting.

and sorry for the incorrect information i gave out earlier.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on March 09, 2004, 11:13:58 AM
Georgetown 1st Choice:

Yes, that is VERY strange that it says the PWL is so much bigger.. I am starting to conclude that everything Georgetown does defies logic.

Also, I have read in the Princeton Review forum of someone else getting the "email" from G-town, saying they'll get back to them in a week.. I mean, seriously, what the hell are they doing?  Is this all some kind of psycological BS?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: LAgirl on March 09, 2004, 02:16:07 PM
kevinc

Hi I am also on the PWL at Georgetown, but after hearing the stats, doesn't sound like it really makes a difference which list you're on (both seem to accept <10%)...
 
I am also waiting back on UCLA (top choice) - do you have any idea when we should expect to hear back??  i submitted my app back in dec... it doesn't seem like the school has rejected anyone yet (at least from lawschoolnumbers.com).
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on March 12, 2004, 06:17:17 AM
Dunno Law,

 Thanks for the info, but this article appears to be talking exclusively about undergraduate programs, and the quote seems to refer to G-town undergrad.

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Speedracer on March 14, 2004, 03:16:21 PM
Hey,

I dont think its right to assume less then 168 u got no shot.  I have a 3.8/166 and am on the PWL.  Luckily I got into UCLA so I am not that disappointed, however being a lazy senior I am struggling to send out continued letters of interest.  Anyone else in my situation waitlisted to like 5 schools but to lazy to do stuff.  Oh LaGirl UCLA started sending back stuff like late february for kids who applied in like early novemeber so dotn worry if you havent heard back yet.  I sent my appl like october 20 and heard back late Feb so u should be fine.

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: skotval on March 15, 2004, 04:30:15 PM
kevinc:  I heard back that I got into Georgetown, but I'm not too sure that the reason I got that email was because I was overqualified... My LSAT score was high (175) but my GPA was a very average 3.44.  I did however get a handwritten note from Andy Cornblatt on my acceptance saying something about my "campus involvement" so apparently they like extra-curriculars.  Like LAgirl, I am waiting to hear from UCLA.  USC also.  Once I hear from those schools I will be able to make a decision.  Hopefully I can open up a spot for one of you!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dunnolaw on March 15, 2004, 06:15:07 PM
Dunno Law,

 Thanks for the info, but this article appears to be talking exclusively about undergraduate programs, and the quote seems to refer to G-town undergrad.



sorry about that...I'll delete the message in order to prevent further misinformation.  Sorry again.

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on March 16, 2004, 07:07:46 AM
Anyone know what's up with Georgetown not using an Admission Index formula?  I checked on lsac.org at the report they sent to G-town for me, and unlike the other schools, there is no Index number given...

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Anti_Ivy on March 16, 2004, 09:02:33 AM
Anyone know what's up with Georgetown not using an Admission Index formula?  I checked on lsac.org at the report they sent to G-town for me, and unlike the other schools, there is no Index number given...

No idea about the index.

Not all schools use one (the better the private schools, the lesser indexes are used). Public schools tend to over-rely on indexes and numbers.

Actually, according to How to Get into the Top Law Schools by Richard Montauk, Stanford, Georgetown, and other top 20 law schools do not RELEASE their admissions indexes.  Those schools do use indexes and numbers, but they just do not share them with us.  I think not sharing indexes is a better idea then releasing index numbers, because then the schools won't have to change their numbers to keep applicants from knowing their odds.  If an applicant knows a certain school's index number automatic admit/cut, s/he may have confidence/disappointment that is unfounded.  After all, index numbers do not include LOR’s, work experience, volunteerism, essay(s), and other non-numerical factors.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Louder Than Bombs on March 16, 2004, 10:01:25 AM
If an applicant knows a certain school's index number automatic admit/cut, s/he may have confidence/disappointment that is unfounded.  After all, index numbers do not include LOR’s, work experience, volunteerism, essay(s), and other non-numerical factors.

Do you know something we don't? As far as I know, the automatic admit and deny cutoffs are kept strictly confidential. So, by viewing your index against a possible Max. Index or 75% index, an applicant can get an idea of their chances, but they can never know for sure.

Secodly, as far as cutoffs go, I am sure that at most schools, the vast majority of applicants fall into the 'maybe' pile. Rest assured that most schools, if not all, actually consider in full the vast majority of applications that come accross their desks (in fact, probably all applications are considered in full).

Thirdly, cutoffs are good, both for the school and the applicant. They help the school build the type of student body that will be beneficial to them (i.e., high LSAT's and GPA's), and they help the student by making it easier for the AdCom to review their application (thus enabling a decision to be made more quickly).

Lastly, I am sure that schools that do not use (or use unpublished) indexes are still using GPA and LSAT as the two major criteria when deciding whether to admit or deny an applicant. Perhaps they do not publish their indexes because they do not want other top schools to know how their admissions procedures are tailored to help them move up in the rankings. In any case, they are using some sort of GPA/LSAT index, even if they do not use a fixed numerical one.

Chris

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: skotval on March 16, 2004, 10:22:26 AM
Thanks for the congrats!  I'll definitely let you know when I decide.  As for the number of applications, Georgetown got around 13,000 this year.  I was pretty shocked to hear that because it's at least 2 or 3 times what most schools get! (Or at least most other schools I applied to...)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Anti_Ivy on March 16, 2004, 12:49:42 PM
Do you know something we don't? As far as I know, the automatic admit and deny cutoffs are kept strictly confidential. So, by viewing your index against a possible Max. Index or 75% index, an applicant can get an idea of their chances, but they can never know for sure.

A few years ago, a mutual acquaintance applied to law school.  He found a website that was similar to lawschoolnumbers and this site.  According to him, the site had law applicants’ index numbers and said whether or not they were admitted to each school (for all top 20 schools).  By using that, along with the applicants’ stats, the webmaster (creator??) was able to figure out the for-sures/no-ways.  I've looked for that site for the last couple of months, but I cannot find it. Maybe he also used what you described, the 25/75% thingy.

Perhaps they do not publish their indexes because they do not want other top schools to know how their admissions procedures are tailored to help them move up in the rankings. In any case, they are using some sort of GPA/LSAT index, even if they do not use a fixed numerical one.

I never said that law schools did not use a LSAT/UGPA index.  I just made a point of saying that UGPA/LSAT scores are not the only factors used in the admissions process. 

You may very well be right about the schools using secrecy to move up in rankings.  I do not know too much about index numbers, nor do I plan to put much thought into mine when I apply.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: sleek on March 17, 2004, 08:09:58 PM
Hi everyone,
My 2 cents...
I was also priority waitlisted at Georgetown. I did receive the email and they cc'ed the list instead of bcc'ing it. There were only about 25 addresses on the list I received. I did submit a letter of recommendation from a former alum, to possibly support that assessment. I had a 3.79 with a 168 from a very small undergrad. I wish everyone luck with their admissions, provided they leave me a space!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 08, 2004, 12:41:57 AM
Hi guys,

I just got my preffered waitlist letter in the mail today. And they definitely do keep track of times that you contact the admissions office. I happened to be in DC while my app was still being processed so I stopped by the office to see if I could ask questions. The guy I talked to was very nice, but I didn't think he even remembered my name. I sent him a thank you email. Well... in my letter it said that if I had any questions or concerns I could continue to communicate with my "contact" in the admissions office, and then it listed him by name.

Also, my letter says something like, "...and the committee has identified you as one of the first applicants we will contact in the event of an opening." Do other people's PWL letters say this too?

Anyway, I wrote back and told them they were my first choice (which is true), and I'm having another professor send a new letter of recommendation to add to my file. Until then I think I'll be putting my deposit down at Wash U.

Oh, in case it's interesting, I'm a 3.34/169 from Wash U.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on April 08, 2004, 05:55:46 AM
Hey Taterstol,

 When did you graduate from Wash U? I graduated in 2002 with a 3.78 - got a 167 on the LSAT.  I'm on the "regular" waitlist at G-town.  No offense, but it's amazing what a difference 2 points on the LSAT can make.

 Anyway, good luck with it.  I haven't stopped by to see them, but I will soon since I live in DC.  In the meantime I went to Preview Day at GWU and was happy enough to give them my first deposit.. I'm very impressed with how much Wash U Law has moved up in the rankings!  Similar, but not quite as drastic, as the undergrad's movement over the last few years.

 
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 08, 2004, 10:06:04 AM
Hi DC Waiting,

I'm still at Wash U--I'm a senior this year. And yes, I am also amazed by what a couple points on the LSAT can do. I was expecting to hear a no from gtown, actually. My GPA is just too low... so I was pleasantly surprised to get the letter. I have a lot of extracurriculars, so maybe that helped.

I also applied to GW--haven't heard anything from them yet (I applied pretty late everywhere). I think I'll be making my deposit at Wash U though becasue they gave me $$, and if it comes to it, St. Louis is an easy, cheap place to live. But if Georgetown calls I'm on my way!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: skotval on April 11, 2004, 09:22:01 PM
I am officially mailing in my "thanks, but no thanks" card to Georgetown tomorrow.... Good luck... Hope one of you gets my spot!!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 12, 2004, 01:10:44 AM
ooh! pick me! pick me!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: drewpac on April 12, 2004, 08:12:48 AM
Thanks Skotval,

I was just PWL'd there on Saturday.  This couldn't hurt our chances.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: rextuxberry on April 12, 2004, 05:27:35 PM
I am declining my offer of admissions to Gtown, good luck you guys.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on April 19, 2004, 05:40:47 AM
Anyone else get an email from G-town last week saying that you are "in a group of students whose applications they will be reviewing in the next few weeks"? 

I called the admin office, and they said there are approximately 100 people on each waitlist (priority and general).  I said this sounded low, and she said that, well, that's not how many they originally put on but rather that's how many have expressed continued interest and have not asked to be removed.  She also said that technically they look at the priority list first, but that inevitably there are people from the general list who are looked at and even admitted.  Since I am on the general list, I'm hoping this is true.  After all, they did say I was being reveiwed "in the next few weeks" but I'm thinking they probably sent the same email to everyone.

Any other experiences?  I think I'm going to start calling them once a week.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on April 19, 2004, 08:36:29 AM
I can't believe they said that there are only 100 people on each waitlist!  From lawschoolnumbers I would guess there would be at least twice that amount.  It sounds good to me though.

Good luck to everyone on the waitlist.  But of course, better luck to me. :P
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on April 19, 2004, 09:40:47 AM
Ok, for all of the nonbelievers out there, I have pasted the content of the email below.  I can't convince you that I'm not making it up, but whatever.

"Dean Cornblatt has asked me to provide you with an update on your
admissions status.  The Committee is in the process of looking at our
Waiting List candidates and they have asked me to let you know that you are
in a group that they will be looking at in the next few weeks. 

Our first deposit is due May 3, and we will most likely not know
whether we will have any openings until May 15.  It is possible, however,
that the Committee may make some decisions before then.  Please remember
that if spaces do become available, there will be a short time frame for
you to make your enrollment decision.  Thus, if you intend to apply for
financial aid to help finance your law school costs, you should
complete the FAFSA/Need Access forms as soon as possible.  Information on
applying for aid is available at www.law.georgetown.edu/finaid. Completing
aid materials earlier will facilitate your aid evaluation and minimize
delays in your receipt of your award notice.

Given the fact we may be making admissions decisions in a relatively
short time frame, we ask that you respond to me at
klw27@law.georgetown.edu on or before April 21st to reconfirm the
extent of your interest in the Law Center and let us know of any updates to
your law school plans, including any upcoming deadlines.  We also ask
that you provide us with information regarding your summer plans and any
address changes.  Alternatively, if you would like us to remove your
application from consideration, we would appreciate your letting Jason
know that as well. 

Thank you again for your continued interest in Georgetown and for your
patience with our process.  We will be in touch soon."

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 19, 2004, 11:49:45 AM
I'm on the preferred list and received a similar email. The only real difference is the first paragraph:

"As you are aware from earlier communications with Georgetown University
Law Center, our Committee on Admissions had identified you as one of
our stronger applicants and placed you in a special waitlist group.  As
mentioned in the letter you should have already received, you will be
one of the first applicants whom we will contact in the event of an
opening."

It goes on to talk about deposit dates and says that they won't know until May 15th if there are any openings.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Speedracer on April 20, 2004, 12:01:19 PM
Hey, I also got the email, but I was on the prefered waitlist but got the first message not the fancy second one lol.  I think you are in an even more special group. Good fro you,Good luck all

-Speed
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Speedracer on April 20, 2004, 12:07:10 PM
This was my opening



April 14, 2004


"Dean Cornblatt has asked me to provide you with an update on your admissions status.
 The Committee is in the process of looking at our Preferred Waiting List candidates
and they have asked me to let you know that you are in a group that they will be
looking at in the next few weeks.  "

 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 20, 2004, 12:35:45 PM
Wow. I assumed it was just a form letter and that preferred got one and regular got the other. I know i shouldn't be thinking this way, but i'm becoming increasingly optimistic about getting in.

I just hope there's still room in that nifty law student building if/when they let me in. I don't wanna pay DC market rent rates... :(
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Ivy_Bound on April 20, 2004, 02:09:31 PM
I too am on the Georgetown waitlist.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: rextuxberry on April 21, 2004, 12:42:41 AM
no offense, but how did you get on the Gtown waitlist with a 142? Just curious.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: hollywoodude on April 21, 2004, 01:14:41 AM
He is also on the Stanford waitlist !!!!

Pray do tell us about your LOR's and EC's.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: kevinc on April 28, 2004, 03:27:39 PM
i just got an email from gtown today...its contents were a lil different from what was listed above.

Dear Kevin,

While we are still in the process of making admissions decisions, I am writing to provide you with an update on the Committee’s progress. Given the fact we may be making decisions in a relatively short time frame, we ask that you respond to ** at ** as soon as possible to reconfirm the extent of your interest in the Law Center. Alternatively, if you would like us to remove your application from consideration, we would appreciate your letting us know that as well.

Please remember that if spaces do become available, there will be a short time frame for you to make your enrollment decision. Thus, if you intend to apply for financial aid to help finance your law school costs, you should complete the FAFSA/Need Access forms as soon as possible. Information on applying for aid is available at www.law.georgetown.edu/finaid. Completing aid materials earlier will facilitate your aid evaluation and minimize delays in your receipt of your award notice.

Thank you again for your continued interest in Georgetown and for your patience with our process. We will be in touch soon.

Best,


Andy


----------------------------------
Andrew P. Cornblatt
Assistant Dean of Admissions
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 28, 2004, 03:42:33 PM
I got the same email today too. Are you on the preferred list?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Speedracer on April 28, 2004, 05:44:48 PM
Hey Yeah I got the same letter and I am on the preferred waitlist
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: midjeep on April 28, 2004, 06:24:08 PM
Here is some interesting info you might want.....

"We have two wait-lists, our priority list and our regular list. In an average yearm, 450 to 500 are offered places on our priority list, and 25 to 50 are admitted from it. Similarly, 200 are offered places on our regular list, and 10 to 20 admitted. Of course, the numbers admitted from our wait-lists vary dramatically from one year to the next." - Andy Cornblatt
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 28, 2004, 06:35:40 PM
Ack! 450-500?!! I heard it was 100 people on the preferred list this year?

Oh geez... I'm gonna start looking for apartments in St. Louis now.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: midjeep on April 28, 2004, 07:00:54 PM
The quote from Andy Cornblatt is a few years old. The hundred or so are those who ACCEPTED their waitlist. GULC probably sent out 450 or more offers and they only got 100+ back. I would say you guys have a really good chance at getting in if you send correspondence to GULC expressing interest. That is only my opinion though.....Good Luck, GULC is my dreamschool....maybe next year.  ;)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on April 28, 2004, 07:34:04 PM
i just got an email from gtown today...its contents were a lil different from what was listed above.

Kevin,
are you applying FT or PT?  I had been placed on prior. WL for the evening program, and received that "one of our stronger applicants and placed you in a special waitlist group" emails but did not receive this particular one today. That info however, was in the last last email and I had responded to that email with a letter so..

Also, has any one experienced a change in contact.  My original letter had one person as my contact and now it is someone else.  I think it is administrative, but anyone with similar experience?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 28, 2004, 09:28:35 PM
I have had three different people for contacts. In the letter it was one person. In the first email it was another. In the latest email today it was this third person. I have responded to all the emails they send me, faxed another letter of recommendation, etc. I'm not sure why the contacts keep changing unless maybe they're tiering their waitlist and assigning different people to different groups...?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: TVLaw on April 28, 2004, 11:56:57 PM
Congratulations to all! - I am so sad I did not get into G-town this year (got my letter last week)  I applied the day of the deadline. I am happy that I did get into Mason however.  I am trying to figure out whether I should just go ahead and go to GMU or wait and apply early to G-town this fall for the following year.  I still have not heard from Vanderbilt but being that I want to live in D.C. it may be better to go to school there. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: kevinc on April 29, 2004, 05:39:26 AM
i'm on the preferred waiting list for the FT program.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on April 29, 2004, 05:47:00 AM
Hi...I am new here, stuck on the PT regular waitlist (not priority).  I have some questions I was hoping someone could answer...
1) has anyone on PT heard anything, gotten any emails etc.?  It sounds like all the posts are from FT priority people, correct?
2) I know that the waitlisted candidates are all lumped together (PT and FT), but does anyone know the stats for PT waitlisters specifically?  Out of the hundreds put on the two lists how many of those people are PT?  Also, how many PT waitlisted people do they take - is it less that the 50 or so for FT priority and 10-20 FT from the regular waitlist?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on April 29, 2004, 05:47:12 AM
Ok, I got the email from Cornblatt yesterday too.. However, I ALREADY responded to the other email from Jason or whoever saying that yes, indeed, I DO want to go to G-town. Why do they keep writing to make sure over and over? I'm starting to get annoyed.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on April 29, 2004, 08:00:53 AM
Hi...I am new here, stuck on the PT regular waitlist (not priority).  I have some questions I was hoping someone could answer...
1) has anyone on PT heard anything, gotten any emails etc.?  It sounds like all the posts are from FT priority people, correct?
2) I know that the waitlisted candidates are all lumped together (PT and FT), but does anyone know the stats for PT waitlisters specifically?  Out of the hundreds put on the two lists how many of those people are PT?  Also, how many PT waitlisted people do they take - is it less that the 50 or so for FT priority and 10-20 FT from the regular waitlist?
Thanks!

Go to lawschoolnumbers.com and do a search for GULC PT'ers only.  That should give you a good idea of where you stand with regards to other PT waitlisted applicants.

I don't think they lump all of the waitlisted applicants together.  I think they separate the PT from the FT.  Based on my numbers, if I had applied FT I would have been rejected outright.  Yet, I'm on the PWL.  I don't think they're going to do anything with the PT waitlist until they've gauged the interest of those on the FT waitlist.  I think they'll offer the FT waitlisters slots in the PT program and if they don't get enough to fill it up, then they'll start contacting the PT WL.  This is not good news for people like myself.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on April 29, 2004, 10:41:21 AM
"has anyone on PT heard anything, gotten any emails etc.?  It sounds like all the posts are from FT priority people, correct?"

jed - I was placed on the pt pref. list in early april.  About mid april I was sent an email tellng me to confirm my interest.  But unlike these other ppl posting, I did not get cc on this last batch of emails that went early this week.  ???
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Speedracer on April 30, 2004, 05:51:14 PM
So, I got in off the waitlist today and I am super excited, and I hope you all get in to
Hey I guess people really do get off the waitlist =)

-Speed
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Ivy_Bound on April 30, 2004, 08:09:47 PM
I was just accepted the other day.  i am still holding out for H/Y/S, but GULC is certainly a good start!

Best of luck to the rest of you!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on April 30, 2004, 10:25:41 PM
I just got in off the waitlist today too! I had an orgasm in the mail room.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on May 01, 2004, 10:44:14 AM
Hey guys,

 Can you now log on to the admitted students website?  I got a package slip today but don't have time to pick it up until Monday - not sure what it is, but could be from G-town.  I thought en easier way to tell would be to try and log on to the site, but it won't let me, so maybe I'm not in?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on May 01, 2004, 01:23:36 PM
Ya I can log in... but i wouldn't get your hopes up. If they just admitted you on friday then they might not have had time to activate the site for you yet.

The other thing though, and I don't know if this happened to other people, but I got an email that all-but said I was admitted. It was actually kinda funny... it was from Andy Cornblat, and he said that while the policy doesn't allow him to release decisions over email, he just wanted to inform me that I would be able to access the admitted students site w/in 24 hours, followed by, "was that subtle enough?" But again, I got the email after I had already received my package, so I still wouldn't discount it.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: burrito on May 25, 2004, 09:32:29 AM
UPDATE: According to my source in the GULC admissions office, they have not received as many second deposits as they were initially expecting.  They said that while it is still possible that they will receive a wave of deposits this week, as of today, they expect maybe 5-10 seats to open up for the PT program.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on May 25, 2004, 10:03:47 AM
Aren't second deposits not due until June 1st? I hope so... maybe I should go pay mine.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Georgetown 1st Choice on May 25, 2004, 02:17:01 PM
Looking at the "active" topics, you can infer that there are very limited movements in the top tier law schools' wait lists.

Hey Burrito, what is your contact thinking about the full time wiat list?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: burrito on May 25, 2004, 02:54:35 PM
Looking at the "active" topics, you can infer that there are very limited movements in the top tier law schools' wait lists.

Hey Burrito, what is your contact thinking about the full time wiat list?

He said he expects similar movement for the FT program.  It all depends upon how many deposits are received in the next week.  Based on past experience he estimates that another 10-20 seats may open up in June and July.  HTH.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on May 25, 2004, 04:59:58 PM
Who did you talk to Burrito?...I have spoken to a few women and all of them have told me it is too soon to tell..why do you think that guy could make such projections?

Thanks so much for posting the news!  Also, for the record, I am PWL for FT.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ocelatl on May 25, 2004, 06:30:50 PM
Good luck with the waitlist!!  The more I read about G-town, the more I felt the pain of declining their offer!  I declined a seat in the evening program in favor of starting a Ph.D. program. . . .   :'(
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 02, 2004, 08:12:52 AM
Any news on waitlist movement either part time or regular now that the June 1st deadline has passed?  How long might it be before they start responding?  Has anyone spoken to admissions?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 02, 2004, 10:35:03 AM
Give them a call---I would be curious to hear what they have to say too.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 02, 2004, 11:10:16 AM
I'm assuming that they are still processing the June 1 deposits - but I thought I would call them in a few days being that I'm up against my own second deposit deadline on June 15, and I'm waiting as long as possible to pay it.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 02, 2004, 12:44:34 PM
I sent an email today but have not heard...will post if I get news.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 02, 2004, 01:16:08 PM
thanks, I appreciate it. This wait is agonizing....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 02, 2004, 01:20:13 PM
Didn't hear from them via email, but I checked my status and it has changed today to "complete".  It has been stuck on "decision" ever since I was waitlisted in Dec. and has never changed since then...don't know what this means.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 02, 2004, 02:25:41 PM
That is weird. Mine is still at decision....maybe they are re-considering you, but I wonder why they would take the time to change your online status? That would be a valid question to ask them.....

Are you PT or FT?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 02, 2004, 02:33:14 PM
I am part time.  I have no clue why they'd bother to change it.  I remember back in December that happened to some people, but I can't remember what their outcome was.  Do you remember?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 02, 2004, 02:51:14 PM
I think those people ended up getting deferred....which couldn't happen now.

It is a valid question---you should call and ask why your status changed--you may get a very insightful answer.

I think they are open for another 10 mins....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 02, 2004, 03:08:25 PM
Nothing insightful.  The woman said that she didn't know what was happening...she said they might just be "updating" the files.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 02, 2004, 03:30:50 PM
Maybe they are starting to re-evaluate files? That would be good....I certainly don't think it could be anything bad.....

I hope they tell us soon.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 03, 2004, 07:47:35 AM
My status on the system changed this morning from "complete" back to "decision".  I am so disgusted by this process I am ready to give up.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 03, 2004, 08:17:43 AM
It does suck....however, it will be over sooner than later
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 03, 2004, 09:14:09 AM
Hey Jed:

Don't be too disgusted, you might have just gotten in.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 03, 2004, 09:51:55 AM
I don't think so...I have a friend on the waitlist as well who called this morning.  They said that they are not informing people on the waitlist yet, as they are still super busy processing the deposits from the Tuesday deadline.  I think this was just a random thing to make me crazy.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 03, 2004, 10:21:08 AM
Did they give any indication to your friend as to when we might begin hearing?

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 03, 2004, 10:28:37 AM
The lady that my friend spoke to said June 9th is likely the earliest.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 03, 2004, 10:38:06 AM
o.k. cool. At least we have a date to anticipate---though we may not hear anything.

Thanks for the info...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 04, 2004, 10:19:14 AM
Ok, just got another email saying I'm in some special group (yeah right) and they want me to respond by June 8th with my interest AGAIN.  Oh well.. at least they wrote.  I'm definitely waiting to write my second deposit check (due the 15th) now. Maybe I'll wait until the very very last minute and hand-deliver it. Haha.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 04, 2004, 10:50:43 AM
I am confused....

You got an e-mail to confirm your interest in the waiting list or one to remind you to send in your second deposit?

If you got a e-mail re: the waitlist, what did it say?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 04, 2004, 10:54:14 AM
I didn't get the e-mail..and I am PWL--this is driving me up the wall!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 04, 2004, 10:57:33 AM
Sorry to confuse - I'm procrastinating on sending in my second deposit to another school, which is due on June 15th.  I am indeed on the waitlist at G-town, and this email said that I'm in some limited group that they are looking at, and that after they finish processing their second deposits they may have "a few" spaces open, and that I should respond by June 8th with the extent of my continued interest, etc.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 04, 2004, 11:07:27 AM
Your Full time right?

They never show ANY love to the Part-time people.

Anyway---they have been desperately contacting people who have not sent in their second deposit---they will have more than a "few" spots open up.


I REALLY hope they don't start offering PT spots to FT applicants....that would be such BS...I mean they go out of their way to make you apply to either the FT or the PT program....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 04, 2004, 11:16:36 AM
It would really suck if they gave PT seats to FT applicants.  I can't go to law school FT b/c I need to work, that's why I applied to the PT program.  I feel like those seats should be for people who need the PT option.  Anyway, I didn't get any email from them, so I guess we just continue to wait.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 04, 2004, 11:25:32 AM
I need to go PT too....those seats shoudn't be some sort of consolation prize.

I love how they say they don't rank, yet they always come up with these "special" groups of people they want to offer spots to first....what a joke. Why can't they just be straightforward with us? Some schools actually tell you WHERE you are on the waitlist and what your chances are of getting in.

Personally, I have decent number for part-time (3.6/164)---I have told them countless times that I will attend if admitted----I guess that is not good enough, they would rather guage the interest of others who may or may not have contacted them previously.....

Sorry to rant
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 04, 2004, 11:30:58 AM
You can rant all you like, i am feeling your pain completely.

Also consider this, it seems that they haven't made any moves at contacting the PT people.  The emails have all been sent to FT people, right?  If that is the case, then perhaps there really are two distinct groups and they haven't gotten to PT people yet.  What do you think?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 04, 2004, 12:04:20 PM
I would agree.

It does seem as if most of the contact had been with FT people. That is why I am concerned about using PT spots for FT people--i.e. let's see how many "higher numbers" wil show an interest---if the response is overwhelming, maybe we can stick a few in PT.

I hope this is not the way it happens, but it does seem odd that they haven't had much contact with PT people---although the first year FT class is much larger and probably has a lot more seats available---so maybe they are just trying to get a chunk of the "big project" done before moving to the easier one....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 04, 2004, 03:51:34 PM
I asked someone in admission whether they would offer pt spots to ft and they answered no.  While this was when I was first placed on the pt wl, I doubt that this has changed.

Just some thoughts:

a) of those wl'ed FT applicants left, almost to a man (woman) they have higher LSAT scores (from 167 up), while pt candidates seem to be around 164 w/o any spectacular gpas (3.7+);

b) they probably have historical trends of how many pt candidates attempt or move into ft program after one year and they need a better estimate of fts attending.  Could be that lots of pt 1Ls are attempting to transfer to day program right now.  I know that I might. You can look at pt evening schedule and see that these pt to ft transfers need to take some 1L classes to catch up.

c) those who have just received the e-mail to show interest have been asked to respond by the 8th, while those who have called admissions for pt have been told they will hear after the 9th, which seems to fit with what we know. 

d) adcoms probably think that since pt applicants who really want gtown are currently employed, older and most likely to wait it out longer than straight from undergrad ft applicants who are more antsy and will go elsewhere if they don’t find out sooner.  They seem to be right since it seems most pt applicants who are still interested will continue to wait as long as necessary.

anyhow, when I called last week stephanie told me that if I didn't hear anything (most likely by e-mail within 10 days, which would be just after the 9th) then I would definitely get an update on or around the 15th of June letting me know that I was getting dropped from the list or being asked to remain on until later in the summer.

anybody else with any thoughts?  :-\
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 04, 2004, 04:44:08 PM
Thanks for that update....it was very informative. Good to know they will keep the PT spots for PT applicants.

Stephanie is great isn't she? Always very nice and gives good info.

I wonder how many people are currently on the PWL/WL for the PT program....I heard they could be looking to fill 5-10 spots, which isn't bad for a class of 125.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 05, 2004, 01:49:29 AM
I'm not sure how many are on.  Last figure I think I remember was 100 pwl for both pt/ft around the end of April that I got from the office (not stephanie ).  I don't think they would give me specifics about how many for only pt for whatever reason.  I can only speculate on how many remain now.

But in terms of aggregate pt wl posters from LSN, this board and XOXO, I have counted less than 20.  Don't know how much you can read into that though.  There are only 56 total pt LSN profiles and only 15 acceptances.  Last year they had 570 applications and 221 (38% ratio to 26% acceptance rate for those on LSN).  Application numbers probably went up, but even if they stayed the same we are only looking at less than 9% of the applicant pool.  Besides, I would guess that because of the demographic that majority of pt applicants don't know about these sites or choose not to use them.

I tried to run the numbers for FT, but it just indicates the self-selectiveness of these boards.  They had 11,632 app and 1,940 acceptances last year (16% ratio).  LSN profiles list 590 and 194 acceptances (33% ratio).  I think LSN is good for threshold questions (did someone get in with these #s, is the waitlist moving), but not very useful for extrapolating. 

by the way I thought I remembered another poster mentioning that 5-10 figure before you.  Did you independantly verify that or were you referring to that previous post?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 05, 2004, 10:04:57 AM
I'm new to the board but definitely feel everyone on the stress of this whole waitlist thing.  I'm on the PWL also, FT and am desperate to get off.  I have tried everything including a letter from the President of my university but nothing has worked.  So I guess for those of us who didnt get the email, the best hope is to see if those who got yesterday's email arent totally interested... So what I'm wondering is if those who got yesterdays email sent in additional info or they are just taking peopl on lsats and whther I can be hopeful that those who will be offered spots
will turn them down..... 3.7/165.  Best of luck and thanks...   
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 05, 2004, 12:19:14 PM
I don't know if you looked up gtowns # from lsn, but there were 9 or so who got accepted off wl, and other than a kid with 168/3.8, the rest had lsats 169+.  Based solely upon reading posts on boards like this, getting that e-mail asking to show interest was akin to getting a potential acceptance offer both for gtown and many others.  Those who didn't are probably are not getting in with the next batch of acceptances (at least not before the second deposits are due at other schools :().  Unfortunately, for the ft apps at least, it seems like the adcom is culling higher LSAT scores (maybe they exceeded their median gpa targets and can afford lower GPAs as long as wl app have higher than median LSAT scores). 

You probably see posts from pt apps with lsats of 164 or so and lower gpas than you, but for the pt applicant pool those number are way above the median, while for the FT pool you lsat is well below and your gpa is only slighly above and based on LSN there were many wl candidates with higher #s than you. Once they know you will go unconditionally and have continued to show interest this late, there doesn't seem to be much more you can do but wait.

Since you are pwl, I would imagine there won't be that many left who are stronger candidates than you if this limited "limited" batch who received the email turn them down.  I know that for pt we will get an update by 6/15.  You might call on monday to ask when you too could expect an update. 

Would you be willing to wait and apply early decision in the fall?  Having been on the pwl if you maintain contact through the summer I'd bet you have a great chance of an outright acceptance if you did early decision (not early action).

best of luck
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 05, 2004, 02:48:10 PM
Thanks for your thoughts.  They seem very well thought out and I certainly will take note of them.  I am grateful for your help and again good luck. I'm willing to wait until August 15. (i live in DC and have friends in minnepolis) but if not i'm off to minnesota.  Don't see myself taking more than one year off. Again thanks and best of luck. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Speedracer on June 06, 2004, 12:03:24 PM
The lsat theory is wrong,

I got in off the waitlist at the beginning of may with an lsat of 166 and my gpa is a 3.8.  They jsut try to look for a good fit and a 3.7 165 are great numbers and I wouldnt be surprised if you got in soon

-speed
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 06, 2004, 02:48:45 PM
Speedracer, congratulations on your acceptance on April 30th per your previous post. 

As I prefaced in my post, my info comes from voluntary boards and for whatever reason when I looked you were not listed wl,accepted like the other 9, but accepted attending.  My speculative response would have been different had your stats been included.  You were accepted prior to the first two deposit deadlines and while your anecdotal response might have been true then, it doesn't necessary hold now that they do have a much better handle on what the numbers for their first class will be.  They might need to pick higher lsats to counter your 166 when calculating medians (not that it isn't a great score, I obviously didn't do that well).

The only thing I would add is that while you were both on the pwl, you were accepted then and dcstudent was not and has yet to receive the e-mail mentioned in this thread: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=38837&mc=26&forum_id=2#629528. 

I am sure they are more than qualifed and would do well should they get in, but whether it will be soon, at the end of the summer or in the next admissions cycle we have to wait to find out.





Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 07, 2004, 04:32:23 AM
Got a rejection letter over the weekend.  I was regular WL for the PT program.  That's the last notification that I was waiting for, likely I will attend GW in the fall although I got a free ride at Rutgers Newark, so still debating.  Good luck to all of you still stuck on the list.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 07, 2004, 08:41:16 AM
Macul and speed, thanks for both of your advice.  I think what it comes down to now is whther or not there will be spaces left after this batch (which is directly related to how many spaces there are, how many people are on the "limited" list, how many of them are REALLY INTERESTED, and how many people out there who are willing to wait as long as I am)  I think I'm in the same boat as ron80.  Im hoping that PWL FT'ers dont start getting rejection letters.  Nonetheless, best of luck JED, GW is a great school in the same great city.  I'm sure youll do really good work.     
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 07, 2004, 10:08:53 AM
Hey Jed:

Sorry to hear that. GW is a great school too, but it could be hard to turn down a free ride---either way you have great options. Hopefully I will hear a definitive answer from GULC soon. Best of luck in law school....

P.S. I know you have told me before, but what were your numbers again?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 07, 2004, 02:05:39 PM
Hey Jed:

What did the letter say? It is odd that they would out and out reject you so early in June....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 08, 2004, 05:27:40 AM
I had 161/3.6 - triple major from an Ivy.  2 years of investment banking experienc at a major bank and fluent in Mandarin.  I didn't get the letter, it was mailed home and my mom read it to me over the phone.  It said something like thanks for your interest but this year's admissions were really competitive and we can't offer you admission at this time.  Signed by Andy.  It arrived on Saturday.

The funny part is I got an email from Stephanie yesterday saying that I'd be updated via email on my status around June 15th.  She obviously didn't know that I received that letter already. 

Anyway, I didn't expect to be rejected off the list, I mean I thought it's the type of thing that would just go on till I didn't get admitted and school would start.  Obviously I'd get the message that I wasn't in at that time, right?  I thought the rejection was a bit harsh, but they might just be narrowing the list.  In a way it is better b/c if I didn't have a chance then I rather know now so that I didn't spend all summer brooding over this and so that I could go ahead and make plans.  In a way I am a little relieved.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: waitlister on June 08, 2004, 07:48:01 AM
so what are your plans?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 08, 2004, 08:02:49 AM
Well I am finishing up an analyst program at my current bank and was offered an associate position at another firm...might take the new job and defer law school for another year on Wall Street.  (I have two choices for law school this coming fall but I'm not all that psyched about either one.)  If I took another year I could save more for school and I could apply again to my top choices in September (but I'm not sure that I can go through this process all over again, so we'll see.)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 08, 2004, 10:16:09 AM
Did anyone else receive the e-mail from Stephanie that Jed was talking about?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 08, 2004, 10:22:06 AM
I think Jed e-mailed her, and that was her response.....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: JED788 on June 08, 2004, 10:45:07 AM
Sorry for the confusion...yes, I emailed her early last week and received her reply on Monday after I received my letter.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 08, 2004, 12:54:38 PM
Hey Ron80:

Have you heard anything or talked to GULC lately? I e-mailed them yesterday, but haven't heard back....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 08, 2004, 02:03:56 PM
Hey Ronny..Nope, I haven't heard anything..although I haven't e-mailed or called them this week..Do you know if anyone who received the e-mail last week has been admitted?

BTW, DCWaiting--do you have any news?

Also, JED--are you GW FT or PT? I am FT and that is where I will be in the GTown doesn't pan out
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 08, 2004, 02:13:30 PM
No news yet, but come Thursday I'm going to start calling daily.  I have a second deposit deadline on the 15th, and if I don't get an answer by then I'll probably request to be removed from the list.  At some point I need to mentally prepare myself for August, and I'm not interested in living in limbo land until then.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 08, 2004, 02:25:54 PM
Where are you going if not Gtown?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 08, 2004, 02:33:22 PM
GW, with a merit scholarship.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 08, 2004, 03:23:30 PM
me too...(without the merit scholarship)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 08, 2004, 03:31:47 PM
For those pt pwl ppl interested, I called this afternoon to inquire about the pt wl.  This was the first time they seemed exasperated and I was told there would be no information for pt until the 15th. sheesh.  Good thing I told them my name was ronny (just joking ronny! no name given).  I don't want to piss them off so I suppose I have to suck it up and wait. :(
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 08, 2004, 03:35:54 PM
hahahah....good thing that isn't my "real" name!

Anyway, did you talk to Stephanie? GULC could avoid being "bothered" by inquiring students who would do anything to go there if they would actually keep us updated like other schools.

I hope we don't get some stupid e-mail on the 15th that says "We will be reviewing files over the next few weeks".....Do you think anyone will actually start getting admitted next week?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Georgetown 1st Choice on June 09, 2004, 04:45:56 AM


GULC deadline was on 6/1. To date, no offer of admission was made. How long shall we wait?  Last week, the financial office of my second choice school told me they already had a 8 week backlog of financial aid applications, and growing. They told me that if I want my $$ on time, it's now or never. So, I sent my deposit.

I agree with Jed. I could not wait another week. Actually, I feel better now. At least, I have something real to focus on for the next months. I can look for an apartment, chat with other admitted students, etc. I have the great feeling of diving in the law school experience... After all these months, what bliss, what joy!

Good luck for you guys.
GFC

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 09, 2004, 09:19:32 AM
Update:

I talked to GULC today (through e-mail)....they are currently reviewing waitlist files and they said we should hear something by either mail or e-mail by June 15th.

I imagine "mail" means rejection and "e-mail" means in or continue on the list.....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 09, 2004, 10:41:48 AM
I am finishing up a masters program and want to fax in my updated transcript so it can be added to my file---however, I forgot to drop a class until after the deadline so there is a DRP on my transcript, but aside from that I got all A's.....Do you think I should submit it or just keep it to myself???

Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated...

BTW, there are no other blemishes on my grad and undergrad transcripts
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: jacy85 on June 09, 2004, 11:17:35 AM
I'd send it.  If it's all As, and the drop isn't annotated as a D-fail, or anything like that, it can't hurt.  It's only bad if you have drops with failing grads or you dropped a ton of courses
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 10, 2004, 10:44:37 AM
So, all GULC admin offices have off tomorrow. Anyone want to guess as to when we might begin to hear some news?

I am still holding to my theory that:

Letter in the mail= rejection
E-mail= IN or stay on list
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 10, 2004, 10:46:22 AM
Also, has anyone noticed that their status has changed back to complete on status check?

Mine has not changed (been at Decision since December)....but Jed changed to "Complete" and then back to "Decision" before receiving his rejection letter...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 10, 2004, 11:27:13 AM
My status still says "Decision"

I just talked to the admissions office.  I asked for Kimberly, because she had been my email contact, and was told she is out of town and will be back Monday.  The woman who answered took down my name, and told me that the committee is crunching numbers, reviewing files, etc and that everyone will be contacted on the 15th, either way (if you get in, or don't).  Seems to me like they will be sending emails, because otherwise she couldn't guarantee which day it would arrive. 

This is going to suck.  I have to write a check to GW that's due on that day.  Even if G-town admits me, I'll have like 3 hours to decide what to do, and deliver my check to GW.  Considering that I definitely wouldn't have any financial aid information until a few days later, I'll be writing the check no matter what, so I guess it's a lost cause.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 10, 2004, 11:38:56 AM
My admissions contact told me something similar, though slightly different:

She said everyone would hear BY the 15th by either mail or e-mail. I imagine they would send out some rejections today (so they arrive by Tuesday) and then e-mail acceptances and stay on the WL people.....maybe it is good that we are still at "Decision"....but who really knows...:)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 12, 2004, 03:05:57 PM
Hey Guys:

Anyone here anything from GULC today (by mail)? I didn't, but I thought they may have sent something by mail on Thursday (maybe rejections?)....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 14, 2004, 08:45:31 AM
Did anyone's status change on status check this morning? I am still at "Decision"....just wondering if anyone went back to "Complete"....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lawless04 on June 14, 2004, 03:21:58 PM
Just called GULC Admissions, they said that emails would be sent out between now and tomorrow...Let us know if you hear anything.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 14, 2004, 03:47:00 PM
What time did you call?

The consensus on the XOXO board is that everyone will hear tomorrow. I haven't heard anything from them today---unless they are staying late (it is now 5:45pm EST) I think we will hear from them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Canon31 on June 14, 2004, 04:07:55 PM
If they're emailing us tommorow its probably to tell us to keep waiting on the list. The admissions website says "It is the policy of the Admissions Office that decisions are sent by mail only and not released over the internet, phone or fax." I wonder if this applies to waitlist decisions?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 14, 2004, 04:11:28 PM
Yes and No.

My friend got in off the waitlist in late April (when they let in a handful of people). They sent him an e-mail to the effect of : "You will be receiving a package in the mail from us, and we think you will be very pleased"....they say you are accepted w/o actually coming out and saying it and then send you the official letter.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Canon31 on June 14, 2004, 04:27:17 PM
Sweet. Ronny, you really seem like you've kept in tune with the progress. Get off.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 14, 2004, 04:29:44 PM
I hope I get off, I am really sick of waiting. Good luck to you.

Are you waiting for part-time or full-time?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 14, 2004, 04:32:52 PM
Canon:
If you don't mind me asking, what are your numbers? and are you PWL or RL?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Canon31 on June 14, 2004, 05:36:58 PM
PT Regular list

3.48 164
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 14, 2004, 07:58:29 PM
I was just curious about you ppl waiting for the pt nod.  Will you continue with your current job? If so how many hours a week seems feasible, or if not what you plan to do during the day....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 14, 2004, 08:29:27 PM
If I get in (I am praying every day), I will not continue with my current full time job. Instead, I am planning on trying to find something for about 15hrs a week to start...hopefully something vaguely law/government/public policy related.

I have also been thinking about possibly not working the 1st semester---just to see what kind of time committment I can give a job and then begin work 2nd semester.

But we'll see....I look forward to that problem, because that means I was admitted and that is my #1 goal right now.

Good luck to you, hopefully we will both hear some good news on Tuesday.

Do you feel they will be admitting some people? I do....

Also, have you checked your status on status check lately? (I am still at "Decision"---I don't know if that means anything---but Jed went back to "Complete" before beinging rejected)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 15, 2004, 12:55:38 PM
WHERE ARE THE EMAILS?!?   ARGH
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 12:58:07 PM
Seriously....they are probably waiting until the end of the day to avoid a plethora of angry phone calls into the office :)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on June 15, 2004, 02:15:43 PM
Where the F*CK are these emails?  I'm usually a very patient person but this is starting to drive me nuts.  I just want some closure already.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 02:24:43 PM
I hear you man.

If it is any consolation, I was looking back at some of the old GULC threads, and a few months ago when a handful of people were admitted to GULC they all got their admit e-mails at 5:00pm (give or take)....so, if that is the case, only 36 more minutes of agony....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on June 15, 2004, 02:30:59 PM
According to xoxo the emails have been sent.  GULC received a strong response to the June deposit deadline.  No one has been admitted.  Next update July 12th.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: plato's dumb brother on June 15, 2004, 02:33:32 PM
Well ... I guess we have 30 minutes then. For some reason I think it might not happen today. At best, we'll get a "we are reviewing the response to the second deposit and will make a decision on waitlist applications in the next few weeks."

I'm wishing you all luck (esp Ronny and Ron). The curiosity is killing me. I feel like I'm reading a bad novel and I wish the author would just tell me who the mystery killer is.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 02:36:26 PM
I saw (and joined) the hysteria on XOXO....I am suprised they haven't admitted anyone, after they were practically begging people to deposit (even after the deadline had passed)....I don't think the response was that "strong"
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on June 15, 2004, 02:50:51 PM

The curiosity is killing me. I feel like I'm reading a bad novel and I wish the author would just tell me who the mystery killer is.

I couldn't have said it any better.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 03:00:01 PM
It is 5:00pm now...and still no love for the PT contingent. Could no news be good news? We can only hope...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on June 15, 2004, 03:12:37 PM
I also got the sucky e-mail! Grr...
Have any FT people heard good news?? DCWaiting??
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 03:21:42 PM
Isn't this odd? When anyone had called (PT or FT) they were told EVERYONE would hear something on the 15th....then SOME people hear but others don't...WHY?

If it turns out to be good news, then I could care less, but if we are to get the standard "we don't have any spots" e-mail that other people got, why draw out our agony?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Canon31 on June 15, 2004, 03:33:28 PM
Lets try this, I'm PT RL and didn't get the email. Has anyone from PT who HAS BEEN notified today?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 15, 2004, 03:40:56 PM
I also got the email which ron80 and others mentioned.  Im putting my hope into the fact that I can wait longer than everyone else.  PWL FT.  Also may have connections to professors, we'll see...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 03:52:10 PM
Can you post the text of the e-mail for those of us that did not receive it? Thanks!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: GMULAW on June 15, 2004, 04:23:37 PM
Not to make any waves or anything, b/c I am sure the WL is a personal hell for many, BUT I have a good friend who just informed me today he got in off the GULC WL. His LSAT was a 171 and I am not sure about his GPA but I am pretty sure it was good (prob like a 3.3 or 3.4) Anyways, I called his BS, but then he read the letter to me.....and this guy is not one to lie....so take that for what it's worth.  Wish you all the best of luck!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 04:24:36 PM
Did he get an actual letter in the mail or an e-mail?

I am assuming he was FT....?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: GMULAW on June 15, 2004, 04:30:23 PM
I am not sure what he is, I assume it was an email from how this board says GULC communicates.....not too sure, he was just very excited.......if I find anything else out I wil post...or better yet I will let him know about this board
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lawless04 on June 15, 2004, 07:50:57 PM
Got the email about no one getting of the WL.  I guess nothing else till July 7th.

L
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 15, 2004, 07:58:42 PM
Are you a full time or part time applicant?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 16, 2004, 06:56:46 AM
Hey everyone, so I got the same obnoxious email saying that they aren't admitting anyone, despite thinking that a few spots would have opened up.  I also got some line about how I should "be assured that I am in a small group of people they will contact first should any spots open up in the next month" -- whatever that means.  I'm leaning toward taking myself off the list, though of course I am curious to see how it ends up.  If only I could completely concentrate on going to GW while remaining on the WL at G-town... this is tricky.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lawless04 on June 16, 2004, 07:32:04 AM
FT
i got that same "be assured that I am in a small group of people they will contact first should any spots open up in the next month" line too. if i could actually concentrate on going to UT, that would be nice.

L
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 16, 2004, 07:46:59 AM
So, for all the PT people....will we hear anything today? Anyone ballsy enough to call (I am not)?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: samaslaw on June 16, 2004, 08:00:40 AM
Those who are part time applicants and waiting could you please post your ugpa and lsat.  I am interested in applying to GULC in the next cycle and want to estimate if it is worth the try.  If you applied early action/decision that information would be great too.  Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 16, 2004, 08:05:34 AM
I've got some disheartening news (for some).  I talked to one of my faculty contacts today and they said that at this point... its all LSAT and GPA and nothing else you do matters.  His exact words were "you can only pray". The Adcom ffice doesnt care about anything else right now.  For those of us who did not receive the line about "being oen of teh first ones contacted"; its beginning to look bleak.  They wont get to us until after they turn it down (if they do).. its a pretty big disappointment... 3.7/165.  I hope everyone else has better news.  Good luck...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 16, 2004, 08:09:22 AM
I wonder if the same hold true for the part-time applicants?

Anyway, to the poster who wanted UGPA/LSAT....

3.6 (from G-Town ugrad)/164.....applied ED to part-time (on PWL since December)

1 year work experience
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 16, 2004, 08:09:49 AM
Lawless, did your email say July 7th (not July 12th; like mine and others).  This may be another difference....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 16, 2004, 09:30:41 AM
Mine said "July 7th".. maybe the "small group" is being contacted July 7, and everyone else on July 12?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 16, 2004, 09:39:49 AM
DC,

Thnaks for the response.  I guess they'll offer you guys spots first and if you guys don't bite, then they'll give  a couple to us... youre lucky... god, this sucks!!!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: samaslaw on June 16, 2004, 11:44:44 AM
Ronny Thanks for the numbers.  I wonder if the fact that you went to Georgetown undergrad is hurting you?  And maybe work experience.  I have heard but not sure that for the evening programs work experience counts more than day program.  If you look at last year numbers, the G'town part time 75%/25% for LSAT is 166/158.  So I am mystified why you have not gotten in.

DCStudent are you FT or PT applicant?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 16, 2004, 12:20:35 PM
FT.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 16, 2004, 12:35:56 PM
So, any of the part-timers think we are going to hear anything today?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 16, 2004, 03:08:07 PM
Ron, I'd like to belive your info, but I just got this from another source....

I happened to ask Sophia Sim about another person a few weeks ago.  Her answer was, "Maybe next cycle, but it'd be a waste of your breath for this year."

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 16, 2004, 03:20:40 PM
Well, it is 5:20 and nothing from GULC.....sweet. I love waiting.

What is going on over there? Are they actually going to take some PT people? What is the delay...the part time class is only 125...how many people could possibly be on the PWL/WL that they are reviewing???
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on June 16, 2004, 04:06:29 PM
It's pretty whack that they haven't contacted us.  I've pretty much given up all hope of getting in at this point.  I'm expecting a ding by mail within the next couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 16, 2004, 04:15:50 PM
I don't think they would ding all of us....but who knows, we may never hear from them. I may give a call tomorrow AM....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lawless04 on June 16, 2004, 04:18:16 PM
Mine said July 7th...

I am FT, 167, 3.65..

"Lawless, did your email say July 7th (not July 12th; like mine and others).  This may be another difference...."

L
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 17, 2004, 07:19:57 AM
Thanks L, I'm 3.7/165.  PWL also.  Let us know if you here anything.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on June 17, 2004, 09:11:15 AM
I don't think they would ding all of us....but who knows, we may never hear from them. I may give a call tomorrow AM....

Ronny,

Let us know how the call went.  thanks.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on June 18, 2004, 11:04:41 AM
Hey Guys:

I haven't gotten a chance to call....I have been out of town and will be travelling all day today.

If someone else wants to give them a call, I would appreciate it, and would love to hear what they have to say....
Title: just received email
Post by: Macul on June 18, 2004, 01:34:49 PM
edit: just received mass email...anyone else?


I am thinking that the info I got about letting me know on the 15th was probably based on ft..they did in fact receive that update.   

I am also wondering about is that I would imagine many gtown evening are nontraditional applicants. I am curious as to how many of them would either know about sites like these or care to post.

In any case the evening program is pretty small (125) and the active waitlist seems to be small so if any spots did open I am sure we would have heard by now (unless they went to nontraditional people).  I might have been a little more optimistic before, and I will still show "continued interest" and jump at an opening until the first day (not in anywhere yet), but I guess I don't want to be naive either.

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on June 18, 2004, 03:19:05 PM
Just got the email:

"Dear lemmiwinks:

I hope this message finds you well, and enjoying the early days of
summer.  As promised, I’m writing today to give you an update on the
waiting list situation at Georgetown University Law Center.

We have now received our second set of tuition deposits.  While I
thought it was possible that some spaces would open up in Georgetown’s
entering class, the response to this deadline was quite strong.  Thus, we
are unable to make any offers to those on the waiting list at the present
time.

Of course we will contact you as soon as possible if there is a change
in this situation.  In any event, I will provide you with another
update on July 12 so you can stay informed of when seats may next become
available. 

While selfishly we hope that you are able to continue to be patient
with us, we also understand that many of you are faced with deadlines at
other schools, and that this delay may mean that you will need to go
forward with your enrollment plans elsewhere.  If there are any changes in
your law school enrollment plans or summer contact information during
the coming weeks, I’d appreciate your letting us know.

Thank you for your continuing interest in Georgetown.

Best,

Andy Cornblatt"


I guess this is the end of the line.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: samaslaw on June 21, 2004, 08:49:59 AM
Macul:  Do you mind sharing your lsat/ugpa?  And don't assume that non-traditional applicants do not know about this board.  In fact i am in mid-30s and worked for over 12 years.  I will applying next cycle.  I am trying to get a sense of what kind of applicants apply to Gtown - Part time.  Are most applicants "non-traditional" or are they just out school but because they know that they are unlikely to get in the day program, they then apply for the evening part time.  And what kind of students does Georgetown prefer?  Does anybody have any ideas (especially if you have visisted or attened a lsdas forum).  Thanks any response will be kindly appreciated.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 21, 2004, 10:51:34 AM
"I am curious as to how many of them would either know about sites like these or care to post."  didn't think that qualified as an assumption..., and I still wonder how many other nontrad. apps stumble onto sites like these.

Don't know about the majority of apps, but I have been working with law firms for four years and I plan to continue in my current position.  If I don't get in this year, I will apply only to pt programs in the area and would at most drop to 35 hours a week for the first year.

With respect to my numbers (164/3.13) I am not sure I'm the best benchmark since I'm considered an URM (mex-am) and there are apparently only 9 outta about 2000 at gtown right now.  Still, I can't say it was a big boost since I'm sitting on a wl right now. 

It would seem that based solely on lsat/gpa stats, few apps would make it into the fulltime day program. See lsac guide splits (FT 3.76/3.24; 170/164 vs. PT 3.7/3.17; 166/158).

You probably know that gtown started as an evening program, and I don't claim to know how they decide, but I would imagine someone with significant work experience living in the area would get a slot over some recent out-of-state grad with higher numbers.  I don't think they want the evening students with real jobs competing against recent grads (w/o kids or disabled relatives to care for) with no job who can study all day.  For this and other reasons, I imagine the resume gets more play in the admissions discussions. 

any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: samaslaw on June 21, 2004, 12:11:47 PM
Thanks Macul.  I hope you are right that they give some preference to work ex. compared to day program where it seems numbers is all that matters.  Did you apply early decision or regular?  I am wondering how many people did they admit last year with LSAT lower than 162 because their 25% mark is 158.  You have the numbers but looks like this year might be more competitive than last year.  Please keep this board posted with your progress.  I am rooting for you (for selfish reason that if you get in then I too stand a reasonable chance of getting in next cycle, ofcourse providing that I get 164 or better in the just past lsat)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on June 21, 2004, 04:07:37 PM
Thanks for the support...I guess :P  I am not particularly optimistic about getting in this year.  I didn't do a very good job of giving myself options, applied later in the cycle (took dec. lsat and waited until feb to get most of them out), and I didn't realize doing pt was financially my best option (didn't package applications that way) until late in the process.  It has left me sitting on a bunch of waitlists with no admits.  I will probably spend this extra time saving money to get a condo out here and take a writing course or two at NOVA to keep the juices flowing.  I will probably also focus more energy this summer into getting into pt programs in this area by visiting following up, law school forum in july(gt, gw, gmu, amer,cath.).  Can't do much in the way of grades, lsats or job promotions.
 
I think that it takes adcoms a least a cycle to adjust to shifts in the applicant pool and I think the pool was different this year.  Even strong candidates who applied early (see posts from ronny) with higher numbers than me were waitlisted.  I think we were edged out by many with significantly higher stats who applied early as well.  The adcom may have thought it was a stronger pool when probably in actuality it was stronger applicants who got scared and used gtowns part time program as a either a safety or one of their comfort schools.  I feel that significant portion of pt admits have gone elsewhere (based wholly on heresay posts and lsn.com of course) and that the reason they aren't pulling from the wl is because of past over-enrollment, transfers and their inability to nail down the numbers yet for the fulltime program.  PT people bring it down so I would imagine they have to be extra cautious when admitting the undesireable pt peeps who will definitely say yes, who have yet to distinguish themselves from the pack during their time in the real world.


Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: samaslaw on June 22, 2004, 08:07:59 AM
Thanks.  What is lsn.com?  When I type it i don't get any law/lawschool related website? Whats the full name of website.  If you refering to lawschoolnumbers, then I am aware of that site.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on June 22, 2004, 04:30:09 PM
I'm pretty sure he is referring to lawschoolnumbers.  BTW my stats are 3.3, 164, 3 years WE.  I didn't apply until 2/15.  I think I might have stood a better chance if I had applied early.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 27, 2004, 09:50:50 PM
Hey there,

I called the admissions office last week and talked to Stephanie and she suggested that at this point we didnt need to keep contacting the admissions office with remarks of continued interest.  Only to respond to the emails if we felt so inclined.  Im wondering if Burrito, whether or not you have heard any news from your contact in the office as to whether any seats will go out and how many and up to what point this summer.  I fully admit that this is shot in the dark hopefulness and desperation.... best again to everybody....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on June 28, 2004, 10:54:03 AM
i contacted the admissions office last week too; was told the same thing: class is overbooked, minimal movement, no place will open, don't contact us too often, once every few weeks is enough, etc. it was very depressing, almost as nice as a kick in the but.

good luck everybody!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on June 28, 2004, 03:10:48 PM
I don't see how they could be overbooked, being that they admitted some people off the waitlist in May. Sounds like a good line.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on June 28, 2004, 03:36:35 PM
Dont mean to be negative and I pray that youre right but that was before the second deposit.  They may not have been then but are now... once agin I ask... BURRITO PLEASE BRING US SOME INSIDE NEWS!!! we beg!!! ....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on June 30, 2004, 09:43:44 PM
I don't see how they could be overbooked, being that they admitted some people off the waitlist in May. Sounds like a good line.

I was one of those May people. I don't know why they let me in, except that they let in a handful of others too. I'm beginning to think it wasn't a real waitlist in the traditional sense, but some form of being on hold. We were all let in before the first deposit was due, so it definitely wasn't based on enrollment information.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: samaslaw on July 01, 2004, 07:41:47 AM
Taterstol:  Do you mind sharing your numbers.  Also are you FT or PT?  Thsnks
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on July 01, 2004, 02:11:52 PM
Don't mind at all. I am fulltime. 3.34/169. The lsat helped i'm sure, but it was nothing special compared to many other waitlisted people, and I'm guessing that they found some other part of my application interesting. I applied very late, and just for comparison, i was waitlisted at michigan, vanderbilt, and george washington, and i'm not expecting any of them to call me (not that i'm complaining, mind you... well except maybe for michigan).
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: samaslaw on July 01, 2004, 09:31:32 PM
Waitlisted@ GWU with those numbers?????  How late did you apply.  And when you say there are people waitlisted with better LSATs than you, are you saying that a 169 does not generally cut it at GULC anymore?  
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on July 01, 2004, 09:50:56 PM
Waitlisted@ GWU with those numbers?????  How late did you apply.  And when you say there are people waitlisted with better LSATs than you, are you saying that a 169 does not generally cut it at GULC anymore?  

well my app was in at gwu after the deadline... i forgot that i needed to send an old transcript from a community college i took a summer class at to LSAC. Didn't think about it until really late. My file was complete at most schools mid-march.

I think i was waitlisted at GULC because my file was complete so late. I think they might have been nervous about my motives, applying so late and all. But I made it very clear for about two months that it was my top choice and that I really wanted to go.

And actually now that i think about it i don't think i know anyone personally with a better lsat that wasn't admitted. BUT, i know LOTS of people with FAR better grades and comparable LSATs that were waitlisted. But anyway I think 169 is median for GULC, right? Definitely not a sure bet.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on July 07, 2004, 07:49:58 PM
hey guys, did you hear the news.... UPenn waitlist is active again!
Who's next?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on July 08, 2004, 01:26:10 PM
yesterday was the first deadline --- did you receive andy's email?
who's here? am i alone on this planet or are you all already bored to death?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on July 08, 2004, 02:51:40 PM
My GPA is very erratic with a downward trend. (sounds so glamourous... not...). I had a few very high credit semesters where I got around a 3.8, and some others that, well, weren't so high. My first year grades were very high which helped buffer.

I said in my app that my worst semesters were those semesters in which I was campaigning for student government stuff, which is true, but can't completely explain it.

If you have an upward trend, point it out and give some explanation why they shouldn't weigh heavily your first year grades. I think if you get a great LSAT they'll believe anything about your grades.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on July 08, 2004, 03:38:46 PM
I'd still apply. You never know. Although, keep in mind that a 165 can make it hard for people with even excellent grades to get into a T14 (if that's what you're looking for). Several top 20's would just eat you up, though.

Good job on the LSAT, btw. It is a great score! I'd be reluctant to take it again... not a whole lot of room to improve, and there's a long way to fall...

My question for you is: could you be happy at a lower top 20 school? I think you'd have a GREAT shot at Wash U, GW, Iowa, and a pretty decent shot at Vandy. Or if you're really wanting georgetown you could apply part time and then transfer to the full time division after a year (i've heard that lots of people do this, actually).
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on July 08, 2004, 05:12:47 PM
I haven't applied to those schools so i can't give any firsthand advice. Just checking though it looks like you're within their LSAT range and you'll be below their GPA range. Just remember that 25% of the people that go there were also below the GPA range. I think LSAT is generally more important than GPA, and you're LSAT "fits" those schools, so I'd definitely encourage you to put together a great app and apply. I don't know if cali schools are stingy about grades.. i know that berkeley is but they're weird anyway.  :P

As far as chances.. I'd say that those schools are slight reaches for you. You'll want some safeties just in case, and you might wanna also look at other schools in the same range rankingwise that have lower gpa's and/or lsats so you can boost yourself in at least one of those areas. They're almost all in the midwest though, which ain't cali.

Well actually my top picks are UCLA and then USC.  After that it's kind of a toss up between the other schools around the 20 ranking.  My numbers are'nt stellar for UCLA and USC but I think my overall app is pretty strong.  Any comments on my chances?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on July 09, 2004, 05:48:50 AM
TATERSOL and Co: you are no more waitlisted. this is not a general discussion list for would be applicant and admitted student.  ???

please, move to another list.
 
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: SHRN on July 09, 2004, 11:48:27 AM
NY - I believe our off-topic discussion is over anyways. Apologies..
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on July 11, 2004, 01:31:50 PM
cool, good luck for next year, hope you won't be here   ;D

HEHOOOOOO!!! IS THERE ANYBODY HERE !!!!

i feel lonely. havn't receive any email from steph and andy.

WHAT ABOUT YOU?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on July 11, 2004, 01:50:16 PM
Hey NY. I'm here.. got an email from Andy yesterday saying no spots right now, and they'll get back to us again after the first tuition deadline.  Deadline is July 26, so July 30 is date of next email.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lawless04 on July 11, 2004, 06:55:09 PM
Did everyone get that email about there being no spots? I didn't get that...I wonder if that is a good thing, or if they weren't all sent at the same time...

L
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on July 11, 2004, 07:41:37 PM
I didn't receive the e-mail either....

BUT, they did say in the last e-mail that we would hear something on 7/12 (Monday), so maybe they will send out the rest then. Or, the may be sending out seperate batches to FT and PT people....I am a PT applicant.

I wouldn't read anything into not getting the e-mail, if they wanted to (or could) take you, you would have already heard from them....of course, there is no harm in being optimistic---I would still love to get in.....good luck.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on July 12, 2004, 01:46:56 PM
got the email. now i've to wait until 7/30. depressing. as churchill said, its the end of the beginning.  but there was no beginning anyway. aargh!

what about you, dcwaiting? better luck?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lawless04 on July 12, 2004, 02:12:54 PM
Not trying to be obnoxious, but I got in! I got in! Whew, been waiting on the waitlist since Dec or Jan...

I got an email today that was a FedEx tracking number from GULC.  I called them up, and they confirmed!

Very excited,

L
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on July 12, 2004, 02:16:51 PM
Not to rain on your parade because im happy for you and all but jesus christ!!!! give us some info so we can understand... did your email say 7/7 or 7/12 and your gpa and lsat and ft or pt... just when i think ive accepted my fate...

EDIT:  just checked back and saw that i asked you the same question already and answered it... dont worry about doing it again.... congrats... be grateful... some of us are totally screwed....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: daynee on July 12, 2004, 02:21:29 PM
Not trying to be obnoxious, but I got in! I got in! Whew, been waiting on the waitlist since Dec or Jan...

I got an email today that was a FedEx tracking number from GULC.  I called them up, and they confirmed!

Very excited,

L

I didn't even apply to GULC, but at this point, anyone getting into any school off a waitlist gives me hope - so CONGRATS!  Maybe the magic will trickle down my way... :)
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on July 12, 2004, 02:22:55 PM
Not trying to be obnoxious, but I got in! I got in! Whew, been waiting on the waitlist since Dec or Jan...

I got an email today that was a FedEx tracking number from GULC.  I called them up, and they confirmed!

Very excited,

L

Congrats!!!  Full-time or Part-Time?  Numbers?  I'm assuming you're gonna take the offer based on your reaction.  This gives me some hope!

Edit: Forget it.  Just found your stats as well.  Congrats again.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: taterstol on July 12, 2004, 02:26:48 PM
congratulations!!  ;D
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lawless04 on July 12, 2004, 03:08:44 PM
oops, left off numbers in excitement...167, 3.65, business and liberal arts major, july 7th notification...pretty sure i am going to take it, just gotta make sure that i can find the money from somewhere...was planning on going to my in state school, which is about 30 grand cheaper...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on July 13, 2004, 12:52:31 PM
NYConsult

I'm thinking the only way to get any sense on how hopeles this all is to ask the follwoing question....

How many FT people out there who are left on the GULC wait list...

did you get the 7/7 or 7/12 email....

So far I count 3 on this board.... DC Waiting (7/7), myself (7/12), and NYConsult (7/12)...

anyone else......
i'll post the same question on xo when i get the chance....

Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ron80 on July 13, 2004, 01:23:56 PM
I am also on the FT PWL...I went to Berkeley undergrad, I have a masters from Harvard and my numbers are 3.67/164...I got the 7/12 e-mail
I have pretty much given up hope but I am still staying on the waitlist....
Good luck to everyone and congratulations lawless!
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on July 13, 2004, 11:11:52 PM
 :-\ just came back to vacation to the July 12th email.  I wonder if gtown has always had a number of admits willing to make multiple second deposits or if this is a recent phenomena.

Any other pt still hanging around?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on July 14, 2004, 08:12:09 AM
:-\ just came back to vacation to the July 12th email.  I wonder if gtown has always had a number of admits willing to make multiple second deposits or if this is a recent phenomena.

Any other pt still hanging around?

gtw is not an ivy league school  - it's a second rate 1st tier school  ;D a back up school for those who apply to yale, standford, harvard, penn and uva. don't make me wrong, it's an excellent school if you want to be a corporate lawyer and work in private practice (big law).

anyway, we are now doomed. unless one applicant becomes pregnant or break their leg, there's no hope. even in that case gtw may not replace them. i would not hold my breath.





Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on July 15, 2004, 10:20:59 AM

anyway, we are now doomed. unless one applicant becomes pregnant or break their leg, there's no hope.


I'm going to fly out to DC this week and have unprotected sex with as many women as possible.  Just remember to thank me when you get in.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on July 28, 2004, 04:18:44 PM
According to the XOXO board, GULC called some FT people today to first guage interest/ see if they had other plans and then an extend an offer.

Anyone still waiting on the PWL for part-time? I am....3.6/164....hoping for a miracle.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on July 28, 2004, 09:45:16 PM
Hey R,

Can't say "I'm still waiting", but apparently we get a final mass update after they squeeze out the last of the double depositer with the first tuition payment.  At this point, I am getting everything ready for the next cycle. You had said you were heading for a M.A.  Are you going to apply ED/EA for next term?
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on July 29, 2004, 04:33:08 PM
According to the XOXOHTH board someone just got the call that was originally rejected.  They retook the June LSAT, improved their score, and now they've been admitted.

I've given up all hope at this point.  I'm ready to call it quits.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on July 30, 2004, 09:36:55 AM
sorry. but thats just ridiculous....

are you serious???

if so, under what post on the xoxo board is this. and which author said this and when???
direct me to this...

thats unreal....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on July 30, 2004, 10:31:43 AM
You can piece it together from these two threads:

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=66399&mc=21&forum_id=2#1081331


http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=66189&mc=65&forum_id=2

If I remember correctly this girl was rejected and not waitlisted this cycle.  They saw her new score (must want to bump their LSATs) and called her up.  That sucks so bad for those of us currently on the waitlist. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on July 31, 2004, 06:40:27 AM
Well, I think I'm officially out of the running - got the email from Andy yesterday, saying he'll write again on August 20th and that they took a few people this last time around, but obviously not me. 

The only thing I can say right now is that I'm totally excited to go to GW, and totally disappointed with G-town for being so obsessed with LSAT scores.  What I can tell from the boards and LSN is that they're taking people with 3.2 GPAs just to get their 169 or 170 score.  This, to me, reflects the value they place on a person's ability to read, write, commit to long-term goals of high acheivement, balance a workload, and everything else that a high GPA represents, and I really hope it comes back to bite them in the ass later.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on July 31, 2004, 07:07:00 AM
if you didnt get in...

then, the rest of us are done.  i didnt get the email.  what time did you get it and did anybody else receive it...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: DC Waiting on July 31, 2004, 10:16:30 AM
Got it at 5:00pm, as usual.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on August 02, 2004, 08:35:58 AM
Thanks,

Did anybody else get this email.  If so did it say the same thing???
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: Macul on August 02, 2004, 09:47:00 AM
yup, same content.  I also spoke with an ad com rep at the forum this past sat. who indicated we would see little if any movement before the 20th for full time and likely no more movement for pt this cycle. :-\ See ya round next cycle...
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on August 02, 2004, 09:48:55 AM
I got the same email.  5:00 pm as well.  I too am excited about GW. 
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on August 18, 2004, 01:10:43 PM
anybody get anything from GULC this week????
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: lemmiwinks on August 18, 2004, 11:08:00 PM
GULC has called a few people this week according to xoxo.  I was indirectly asked if I was still interested by someone at GULC (long story).  I wouldn't be surprised if a few spots opened up this week.
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: ronny on August 20, 2004, 01:35:17 PM
FYI everyone.....

As you know, I have been hanging out on the Preferred Waiting list (for part-time) since December.

Today I got a letter from Dean Cornblatt saying they would not be able to offer me a place in the class.

3.6/164 (GU undergrad) in case anyone is interested.....
Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: NYConsult on August 23, 2004, 07:29:19 PM
hello:

gulc admission told me that they've sent an email last friday - i did not receive it !!?

did you get it?

maybe i will receive my good-bye letter tomorrow. nobody tried to contact me last week!


Title: Re: Georgetown Waitlist
Post by: dcstudent on August 26, 2004, 07:22:51 AM
I was told in an email on the 17th that we would hear yesterday??? Got and heard nothing.... No mail, no call, no email... anybody get anything?????