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Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on December 15, 2006, 08:42:28 AM
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Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: A. on December 15, 2006, 08:53:14 AM
I think this one might be worth trying again in the courts because it's way more extreme than Rogers, is a PD and not an airline, and would be filed in 2007, not 1981. Legislatures and courts have acknowledged that braids and other natural styles are specifically African-American cultural arts in cases/legislation about braiding deregulation. However, Maryland is in the Fourth Circuit. Thoughts?

Your first case as a newly minted lawyer in 2008?  People should have been adversely impacted by then.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 15, 2006, 09:01:08 AM
Classic Equal Protection argument here.  There's actually a valid claim to be made here since hair style is not too closely related to performing the operations of official police duties.

Intent is irrelevant if the statute still has a discriminatory impact.  I'd like to see how this one turns out.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Inquirer on December 15, 2006, 09:42:32 AM
I know this is Black Law Students Discussion, but I don't have any legal commentary to contribute to this discussion  :D

As a Baltimore resident, my trust in law enforcement is dimished a little bit more every time I see yet another police officer with scruffy locs or braids (which seems to be a frequent occurence in this town). It just looks extremely unprofessional. I agree that the policy may have a bigger impact on women, but most of the officers I've seen with raggedy hair have been male. Would it have been legal for the BPD to single out males in this policy?

In Sheila Dixon's defense, she wasn't elected to the mayoral position (our previous mayor is now the governor-elect) and so she might not be willing to raise a ruckus just yet. Plus,  she's dealing with some ethics investigation that's probably a whole lot more important to her than what the BPD says about its officer hairstyle choices.
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Post by: Burning Sands, Esq. on December 15, 2006, 09:59:54 AM
Mo - good point. However, I think what distinguishes this case from Washington v. Davis is that in Washington, the "discriminatory" impact stemmed from a verbal skills test that the police department required of their applicants.  The court easily found that being able to read is rationally related to police work and being allowed to become a police officer.  In this case however, the same argument really can't be made for hair style - it doesn't exactly make you a better or worse cop.  Better looking cop maybe, but not a better cop.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on December 15, 2006, 11:11:04 AM
who is in?  hit me up.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on December 15, 2006, 11:44:32 AM
who's in what?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: jarhead on December 16, 2006, 03:06:01 PM
I know this is Black Law Students Discussion, but I don't have any legal commentary to contribute to this discussion  :D

As a Baltimore resident, my trust in law enforcement is dimished a little bit more every time I see yet another police officer with scruffy locs or braids (which seems to be a frequent occurence in this town). It just looks extremely unprofessional. I agree that the policy may have a bigger impact on women, but most of the officers I've seen with raggedy hair have been male. Would it have been legal for the BPD to single out males in this policy?

In Sheila Dixon's defense, she wasn't elected to the mayoral position (our previous mayor is now the governor-elect) and so she might not be willing to raise a ruckus just yet. Plus,  she's dealing with some ethics investigation that's probably a whole lot more important to her than what the BPD says about its officer hairstyle choices.


agree i used to live in Bmore and some of those officers look a mess... DC police need a policy as well...anyone who lives in the MD/DC/VA area probably has seen some of these officers...its ridiculous some of these chicks nails are so long they can't even hold a pen to write a ticket....the fingers waves, mohawks, glitter, orange stars, yellow moons, green clovers and blue diamonds in the hair is so unprofessional...and the dudes with the tattoos etc. all across the neck and face...this ain't no rap video and you ain't AI...we had the same problem in the military because some people don't know that there's a line.... and that if you do happen to cross it makes sure its not too extra so you can stay under the radar...everybody has to suffer...i've seen some very nice neat professional dreads twists etc. but who/how are you gonna draw the line...these dreads are good but these are not...its less hassle to just ban it all
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on December 25, 2006, 03:00:58 PM
Please sign the online petition at http://www.petitiononline.com/baltpd/petition-sign.html

I have passed it on to everyone I know!
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on December 25, 2006, 11:38:47 PM
I don't think this is the right time to take this kind of case through the federal courts (esp. not 4th cir.).  I would be looking at state law claims.

And my flippant side says: why the hell would any decent, self-respecting black person want to be a cop in Baltimore?  That is some dirty business.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: jarhead on December 26, 2006, 07:32:29 AM
I don't think this is the right time to take this kind of case through the federal courts (esp. not 4th cir.).  I would be looking at state law claims.

And my flippant side says: why the hell would any decent, self-respecting black person want to be a cop in Baltimore?  That is some dirty business.



 :) :D ;D preach! plus total sidebar but they were getting so desperate for officers that they lowered their drug threshold and were allowing people who'd previously used heroin to join...Heroin! wtf
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on December 26, 2006, 08:15:44 AM
I could be wrong, but I don't think the grooming policy applies only to cops walking the beat.  It is likely to be more comprehensive and include women working in more of the office/administrative positions as well. 

It's one thing to be professional in appearance (i.e. sculpted hair in kool-aid colors :-\...that's just a no-no and incredibly tacky to begin with), but it's a totally different thing for a woman with neatly groomed locs, twists, or an afro to be harrassed with the passage of this insensitive, discriminatory grooming policy.  I've rocked all those hair styles in the last few years...and quite well, if I say so myself!
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: jarhead on December 26, 2006, 08:53:12 AM
I could be wrong, but I don't think the grooming policy applies only to cops walking the beat.  It is likely to be more comprehensive and include women working in more of the office/administrative positions as well. 

It's one thing to be professional in appearance (i.e. sculpted hair in kool-aid colors :-\...that's just a no-no and incredibly tacky to begin with), but it's a totally different thing for a woman with neatly groomed locs, twists, or an afro to be harrassed with the passage of this insensitive, discriminatory grooming policy.  I've rocked all those hair styles in the last few years...and quite well, if I say so myself!


agree on the last point i much prefer nice looking locks and corn rows to some of these outlandish braid styles...in the bmore case i think its an example of the few having to suffer for the many..i dont know if you've been to Bmore but its ridiculous...glitter in the hair chicks with finger wave mohawks (anybody that' been to Bmore knows im not lying)...they were having issues with it for a long time but people the officers couldn't police themselves so they went with the all or nothing policy...not saying its right but never under estimate the ability of a few dumb a--es to mess things up for everybody
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on December 26, 2006, 09:53:26 AM
I don't think this is the right time to take this kind of case through the federal courts (esp. not 4th cir.).  I would be looking at state law claims.

And my flippant side says: why the hell would any decent, self-respecting black person want to be a cop in Baltimore?  That is some dirty business.

Totally agree with bolded. I wonder what lawyers in MD think about this policy.

As for unbolded, well, I sort of agree with that too - but it's the same question as to why any self-respecting black person would be a prosecutor in the generally racist criminal justice system. The answer is prosecutorial discretion, and I'd imagine that to the extent that employees of the Baltimore PD can exercise discretion, it's good to have Black folks there.

And jarhead, this few-suffering-for-many argument should not stand up in court when one considers the fact that it overburdens black people and black women specifically. I get your policy argument and I get that you seem to be saying the state has a compelling interest in having a professional-looking force. But this policy doesn't seem to be, in my mind, a narrowly-tailored effort to meet that interest or the least restrictive means for advancing that interest. But I don't know much law, so maybe I'm missing something. :-[

might be the case if you were using federal equal protection jurisprudence, but state law claims in Murryland--not seeing it...

as for why any "self-respecting" black person would work for the police; it goes beyond discretion, but simple economics--police staff are among the highest paid workers in the city/have great benefits.  But beyond that, it isn't as if we as a community don't have a vested interest in our own protection. Sure the popo are messed up 8 out of 10 times, but in that 2 we have some safety/assurance that we aren't in Hobbes' state of nature. 
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on December 26, 2006, 11:56:10 AM
Wow, after reading the article, Dixon does sound a hot ass mess for suporting that *&^%. :(
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: jarhead on December 26, 2006, 12:59:13 PM
i wasn't really making a legal arguement...as far as legality goes the policy will probably be found to be discriminatory from what i've read anyway...i was just more or less trying to give the reasoning behind it for those who may have thought the policy just came out of the blue or want to jump on the "it's racist" bandwagon w/o any further information...the Baltimore city police has had many many problems with the professionalism of its force in general...with the appearance of its officer's being frequently cited as one of the major problems...this policy was a long time in the making...not saying i agree with it but i don't see what else they can do to solve the problem at this point besides banning everything hence my many suffering for the few...we have similar problems in the military....the police tried making exceptions but it didn't work....who's going to make the call on which locks are professional and which are not that's a judgement call seems like to me...i hate the i'll just pull my locs back and put a rubberband on them look...its tacky imo but other people feel that's neat and professional???
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on December 26, 2006, 01:18:34 PM
basically
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on December 26, 2006, 01:21:38 PM
omega!

no I got it. 
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on December 26, 2006, 07:19:09 PM
I don't think this is the right time to take this kind of case through the federal courts (esp. not 4th cir.).  I would be looking at state law claims.

And my flippant side says: why the hell would any decent, self-respecting black person want to be a cop in Baltimore?  That is some dirty business.

Totally agree with bolded. I wonder what lawyers in MD think about this policy.

As for unbolded, well, I sort of agree with that too - but it's the same question as to why any self-respecting black person would be a prosecutor in the generally racist criminal justice system. The answer is prosecutorial discretion, and I'd imagine that to the extent that employees of the Baltimore PD can exercise discretion, it's good to have Black folks there.

And jarhead, this few-suffering-for-many argument should not stand up in court when one considers the fact that it overburdens black people and black women specifically. I get your policy argument and I get that you seem to be saying the state has a compelling interest in having a professional-looking force. But this policy doesn't seem to be, in my mind, a narrowly-tailored effort to meet that interest or the least restrictive means for advancing that interest. But I don't know much law, so maybe I'm missing something. :-[

Mo (and everyone else who explained why someone might want to be a black cop or why people who care about black neighborhoods might want black cops out there), I agree 100%. I really was just being a bit flip, though of course I have lingering questions about the good black cops do for anyone.  I'm of the Sound of Da Police mindset, I guess.  Overseer officer officer officer overseer...

I haven't had a chance to look into it today, but I don't think there is an equal protection clause in the state constitution.  There is, however, IIRC, an incorporation clause importing federal constitutional protections to the state constitution.  I don't know what litigation under this clause looks like in practice.  I'll look into both state constitutional and statutory claims if no one from MD steps up in the next couple of days. :)

Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on December 26, 2006, 08:27:34 PM
Miss P I think it comes down to whether it is better to be policed by members of your community or by outsiders.

I took a look at the Maryland constitution.  Even given the incorporation clause I think the case will be steep.  I will be interested in your thoughts.


Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on December 26, 2006, 08:45:34 PM
Miss P I think it comes down to whether it is better to be policed by members of your community or by outsiders.

I took a look at the Maryland constitution.  Even given the incorporation clause I think the case will be steep.  I will be interested in your thoughts.


I was hoping you'd be online. Did you receive an email from Tarik Chouaibi? :D

umm I don't think so?  :-\
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on December 27, 2006, 01:31:17 AM
Miss P I think it comes down to whether it is better to be policed by members of your community or by outsiders.

I completely understand this.  The question remains how much police officers remain members of black communities after they've joined the force.  But I meant to say above, as long as there are police, there sure had better be black police. :)

As for the MD constitution, I haven't had a chance to look at it, but the incorporation clause theory sounds weak, I agree.  I'll try to look into it (and the possible statutory claims) tomorrow or Thursday.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 09:57:11 AM
boo
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 09:57:24 AM
Cornrows.. yeah.. that's professional..
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on January 03, 2007, 10:06:32 AM
Just in case anyone's still interested, the people on Nappturality are reporting that the Baltimore PD has rescinded this policy and will be redrafting a new one to be available for review on Jan. 15. I haven't found a link yet.

Thanks for the update.

I'm sorry I dropped the ball on this research.  I spaced out because I am on vacation and don't have steady internet access.  I'll try to look into it this weekend if someone reminds me -- or we can wait until after we see what the new policy looks like.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 11:29:05 AM
hmmm.. well clarify something for me here...are we referring to locs that are not twisted @ the root that appear to have been untamed for months??

because if that isn't what u are referring to..there is really nothing unkempt about having your locs pulled back into a ponytail.. personally i hate rubber bands as they add to breakage and there are hair ties (or in my case since my hair is long enough my own hair) to hold them together...

i wasn't really making a legal arguement...as far as legality goes the policy will probably be found to be discriminatory from what i've read anyway...i was just more or less trying to give the reasoning behind it for those who may have thought the policy just came out of the blue or want to jump on the "it's racist" bandwagon w/o any further information...the Baltimore city police has had many many problems with the professionalism of its force in general...with the appearance of its officer's being frequently cited as one of the major problems...this policy was a long time in the making...not saying i agree with it but i don't see what else they can do to solve the problem at this point besides banning everything hence my many suffering for the few...we have similar problems in the military....the police tried making exceptions but it didn't work....who's going to make the call on which locks are professional and which are not that's a judgement call seems like to me...i hate the i'll just pull my locs back and put a rubberband on them look...its tacky imo but other people feel that's neat and professional???
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Inquirer on January 03, 2007, 11:50:25 AM
hmmm.. well clarify something for me here...are we referring to locs that are not twisted @ the root that appear to have been untamed for months??

That seems to be the look favored by a majority of the Baltimore cops that I've seen.  >:(  :(

Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on January 03, 2007, 11:55:07 AM
I have to be honest and say that I really don't understand why anyone is tripping about the hairstyles of the police officers in their community. 
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 11:57:33 AM
damn are u serious?? goodness as many natural hair salons that exist in the dc/md area u'd think having tamed natural hair in the workplace wouldn't be an issue

hmmm.. well clarify something for me here...are we referring to locs that are not twisted @ the root that appear to have been untamed for months??

That seems to be the look favored by a majority of the Baltimore cops that I've seen.  >:(  :(


Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: A. on January 03, 2007, 11:58:23 AM
I have to be honest and say that I really don't understand why anyone is tripping about the hairstyles of the police officers in their community. 

Agreed.  If it affects performance, that's one thing.  But simple aesthetics?  No.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 12:03:51 PM
there is really nothing unkempt about having your locs pulled back into a ponytail..

Police should not be allowed (less undercover types) to have locs or the like. It looks very unprofessional.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: A. on January 03, 2007, 12:06:35 PM
there is really nothing unkempt about having your locs pulled back into a ponytail..

Police should not be allowed (less undercover types) to have locs or the like. It looks very unprofessional.

And I suppose you are the authoritative source on what looks professional?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on January 03, 2007, 12:08:09 PM
there is really nothing unkempt about having your locs pulled back into a ponytail..

Police should not be allowed (less undercover types) to have locs or the like. It looks very unprofessional.

It looks unprofessional?  To whom?  By whose standards?
You know what looks unprofessional?  Hassling the teenagers on my block, parking in the middle of the street, turning the lights and sirens on to beat a red light, and yanking your ill-fitting uniform pants up by one hand.

I realize you're essentially a troll, but come on.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 12:08:21 PM
there is really nothing unkempt about having your locs pulled back into a ponytail..

Police should not be allowed (less undercover types) to have locs or the like. It looks very unprofessional.

And I suppose you are the authoritative source on what looks professional?
:D beat me to the punch Alci
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 12:14:24 PM
said by the person that doesn't have the ability to hire and fire anyone with a career in law enforcement..governmental agencies.. or the legal community...

there is really nothing unkempt about having your locs pulled back into a ponytail..

Police should not be allowed (less undercover types) to have locs or the like. It looks very unprofessional.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 12:28:12 PM
I'm not a troll and am giving my opinion, just like the people here who start a post about how "'black people' can never get ahead." We all have our opinions. And yes, I do work in a "high paying position" where I manage people and have a few things I find unprofessional:

- Men who wear earrings or who have exterior body metal hanging from their face.

- Men with any type of pony tail; loc or otherwise

- Women who feel it necessary to expose certain areas of their bodys with clothing that does not fit.

- Men/Women who wear TOO much perfume / cologne. I'm talking enough to smell from many cubes away.

- Open-toed shoes

- Exposed tattoos of any kind

You have to remember that when you work in certain capacities you are representing not only yourself, but also your law firm.

Unfortunately, and in law, we are judged by how we dress and how we carry ourself.

I could not imagine a law firm looking positively upon an interviewing applicant sporting locs, exposed tattoos, earrings, or face metal.

I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 12:45:17 PM
I'm not a troll and am giving my opinion, just like the people here who start a post about how "'black people' can never get ahead." We all have our opinions. And yes, I do work in a "high paying position" where I manage people and have a few things I find unprofessional:

- Men who wear earrings or who have exterior body metal hanging from their face.

- Men with any type of pony tail; loc or otherwise

- Women who feel it necessary to expose certain areas of their bodys with clothing that does not fit.

- Men/Women who wear TOO much perfume / cologne. I'm talking enough to smell from many cubes away.

- Open-toed shoes

- Exposed tattoos of any kind

You have to remember that when you work in certain capacities you are representing not only yourself, but also your law firm.

Unfortunately, and in law, we are judged by how we dress and how we carry ourself.

I could not imagine a law firm looking positively upon an interviewing applicant sporting locs, exposed tattoos, earrings, or face metal.

I could be wrong.


I know there are some lawyers with locs...

Mrs. Troy or Blk, didn't yall post the cv of a blk woman with locs at one pts?  Can yall dig that up?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 12:48:12 PM
rereads last post

ok.. I don't see anything where I claimed that you did or did not have a high paying position..and didn't work in the capacity of management at your job..

however I did have a claim that you do not work for governmental agencies.. law enforcement.. or the legal community.. to be more specific-- as a hiring partner...

so needing to state that you have a high paying job is irrelevant to my previous post...

I'm not a troll and am giving my opinion, just like the people here who start a post about how "'black people' can never get ahead." We all have our opinions. And yes, I do work in a "high paying position" where I manage people and have a few things I find unprofessional:

- Men who wear earrings or who have exterior body metal hanging from their face.

- Men with any type of pony tail; loc or otherwise

- Women who feel it necessary to expose certain areas of their bodys with clothing that does not fit.

- Men/Women who wear TOO much perfume / cologne. I'm talking enough to smell from many cubes away.

- Open-toed shoes

- Exposed tattoos of any kind

You have to remember that when you work in certain capacities you are representing not only yourself, but also your law firm.

Unfortunately, and in law, we are judged by how we dress and how we carry ourself.

I could not imagine a law firm looking positively upon an interviewing applicant sporting locs, exposed tattoos, earrings, or face metal.

I could be wrong. --you are.. and i am glad that you recognize that..if you do not see that as a form of discrimination then you have a LOT to learn.. a man or a woman who happens to be black should not be restricted to permming or pressing her hair.. (or keeping a low cut ceaser if we're speaking men) just so that they can land a job.. their intellectual prowess and abilities speak for themselves..regardless of how their hair looks...

and even though I've said many times on this board that i absolutely hate cornrows on men.. and i think that they shouldn't wear them.. IF said man is discriminated against in the workplace because of his hair and the stance he takes due to it.. i'm not going to shun him even though i disagree with the rows in theory...

Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 12:51:53 PM
however I did have a claim that you do not work for governmental agencies..

I do.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 12:55:19 PM

i'm one of them lol.. but Ms Troy posted that link.. the woman was a yale grad with long beautiful locs..in her 30s I believe.. not sure where the link is because i couldn't find it in the hair thread..perhaps it's in the interview thread ..

@ veritas-- i stand corrected.. but again I'm sure u're not the "powers that be"... u have a boss
I'm not a troll and am giving my opinion, just like the people here who start a post about how "'black people' can never get ahead." We all have our opinions. And yes, I do work in a "high paying position" where I manage people and have a few things I find unprofessional:

- Men who wear earrings or who have exterior body metal hanging from their face.

- Men with any type of pony tail; loc or otherwise

- Women who feel it necessary to expose certain areas of their bodys with clothing that does not fit.

- Men/Women who wear TOO much perfume / cologne. I'm talking enough to smell from many cubes away.

- Open-toed shoes

- Exposed tattoos of any kind

You have to remember that when you work in certain capacities you are representing not only yourself, but also your law firm.

Unfortunately, and in law, we are judged by how we dress and how we carry ourself.

I could not imagine a law firm looking positively upon an interviewing applicant sporting locs, exposed tattoos, earrings, or face metal.

I could be wrong.


I know there are some lawyers with locs...

Mrs. Troy or Blk, didn't yall post the cv of a blk woman with locs at one pts?  Can yall dig that up?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 12:58:30 PM
if you do not see that as a form of discrimination then you have a LOT to learn..

Please read Eatman v. United Parcel Service, 99 Civ. 9523

Employers are allowed to have "appearance guidelines."

Am I understanding you correctly in that if someone is not hired because they have metal in their face that they are being discriminated against?

a man or a woman who happens to be black should not be restricted to permming or pressing her hair..

Nothing wrong with that at all.. we are talking about dreads, not perms or presses.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 01:01:41 PM
@ veritas-- i stand corrected.. but again I'm sure u're not the "powers that be"... u have a boss

no problem.. I am not tryin to start crap and am only trying to say that, while not necessarily the righ thing, we are judged first by how we look (i.e., dress, hair, etc.), especially in the legal (law firm) community.

Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 01:04:11 PM
if you do not see that as a form of discrimination then you have a LOT to learn..

Please read Eatman v. United Parcel Service, 99 Civ. 9523

Employers are allowed to have "appearance guidelines."

Am I understanding you correctly in that if someone is not hired because they have metal in their face that they are being discriminated against?

a man or a woman who happens to be black should not be restricted to permming or pressing her hair..

Nothing wrong with that at all.. we are talking about dreads, not perms or presses.


what she meant was that they should not be relegated to putting chemicals in their hair instead of being natural to keep up with appearances.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 01:06:19 PM
hair.. afterall this is what this thread topic is about correct? I haven't said one word about a person having metal in their face.. but on the flip side of that.. one of my good friends has a piercing the size of a mole on the right side of her face and also has locs... works for a major hospital in the city of Chicago...i am very familiar with Eastman v UPS...

just an fyi though.. i don't pull cases out of my ass on message boards.. at the end of the day we all have our opinions ..and each of us can find a case to support or dissent one's view... i'd rather get paid to do that than go back and forth on here..i choose rather to speak on my own personal experiences..and statements of fact...

and Celie... thank u for correcting veritas on my point regarding hair str8ing

if you do not see that as a form of discrimination then you have a LOT to learn..

Please read Eatman v. United Parcel Service, 99 Civ. 9523

Employers are allowed to have "appearance guidelines."

Am I understanding you correctly in that if someone is not hired because they have metal in their face that they are being discriminated against?

a man or a woman who happens to be black should not be restricted to permming or pressing her hair..

Nothing wrong with that at all.. we are talking about dreads, not perms or presses.

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Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 01:08:18 PM
what she meant was that they should not be relegated to putting chemicals in their hair instead of being natural to keep up with appearances.

I understand.. But if I dont put anything in my hair in the mornings, I would look like Bozo..
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Post by: veritas_fl on January 03, 2007, 01:09:46 PM
i choose rather to speak on my own personal experiences..and statements of fact...

no worries =-)
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Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 01:16:32 PM
what she meant was that they should not be relegated to putting chemicals in their hair instead of being natural to keep up with appearances.

I understand.. But if I dont put anything in my hair in the mornings, I would look like Bozo..

better that you look it, than act a clown
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 02:21:56 PM
listen im am all for doing you...i've never been one to judge people by their appearances and i think that certain white people see braids or locks or anything but a nice straight perm and become threatened (this n word doesn't look like the singing and dancing type) and or stereotype...but i think that certain jobs require a professional appearance in order to be effective and being a police officer is one...not to mention that they advise you of their grooming standards and make you sign something saying that you will comply with them before your hired...maybe its me and maybe some of my Marine Corps obsession with looking good is spilling over...but when i see a police officer with tatoos and shyte all around his neck and up and down his arms with a bushy ponytail held back with a rubber band i do not respect him as much as i do one who is clean cut neat, in shape and wearing a well fitting uniform...and i think i've already stated that neat well kept, locs twists whatever are fine imo so i don't know how much more i can clarify that position...i have tatoos but when i put on my suit and go to work you can't see them, i wear earings but not to work, on casual fridays i don't wear my jeans hanging down past my ass etc. etc....i understand there are legal issues here but anybody who has been to Bmore can tell you its pretty much lawless...police get no respect...people do what they want and all the polls/research etc. they've conducted in the city on this matter resulted in citizens stating that they have no confidence in police because most of them look like trash...which is why the policy was finally enacted after many less restrictive "suggestions" were ignored by certain officers...they are tyring to clean up the city and they want a police force that doesn't look like they just stepped out of a cash money video...and having lived in that city for one short year...im not mad at them...if you haven't been there you really wouldn't understand...
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Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 02:23:47 PM
Natural hair is unprofessional. Black women should perm. Also, brown skin is likewise unprofessional. We should all bleach.
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Post by: Miss P on January 03, 2007, 02:26:34 PM
Natural hair is unprofessional. Black women should perm. Also, brown skin is likewise unprofessional. We should all bleach.

:D

I just have a hard time believing that the reason cops in Baltimore don't get a whole lot of respect has much to do with their hairstyles, I guess.  I'd be interested in seeing those studies.
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 02:50:32 PM
Natural hair is unprofessional. Black women should perm. Also, brown skin is likewise unprofessional. We should all bleach.

:D

I just have a hard time believing that the reason cops in Baltimore don't get a whole lot of respect has much to do with their hairstyles, I guess.  I'd be interested in seeing those studies.


i understand that you have a hard time believing it...im guessing because you've never been to Bmore...i didn't say it was the only reason i said it was the most cited reason...you've just been robbed at gun point in broad f-en daylight your looking for a cop because you hope maybe they can catch the guy or just because your scared... who are you gonna go to... the fat guy, with donut sugar on his shirt, sportin' gold teeth and "westside" tatted across his neck 'leanin in some hood rats car tryin' get a rap (while you were getting robbed by the way..i know u think im exagerating but i promise you i'm not)... or some neat, squared away, professional appearing, fresh pressed, shoe shinin' good lookin' officer?  ;D
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Post by: Miss P on January 03, 2007, 02:56:34 PM
Natural hair is unprofessional. Black women should perm. Also, brown skin is likewise unprofessional. We should all bleach.

:D

I just have a hard time believing that the reason cops in Baltimore don't get a whole lot of respect has much to do with their hairstyles, I guess.  I'd be interested in seeing those studies.


i understand that you have a hard time believing it...im guessing because you've never been to Bmore...i didn't say it was the only reason i said it was the most cited reason...you've just been robbed at gun point in broad f-en daylight your looking for a cop because you hope maybe they can catch the guy or just because your scared... who are you gonna go to... the fat guy, with donut sugar on his shirt, sportin' gold teeth and "westside" tatted across his neck 'leanin in some hood rats car tryin' get a rap (while you were getting robbed by the way..i know u think im exagerating but i promise you i'm not)... or some neat, squared away, professional appearing, fresh pressed, shoe shinin' good lookin' officer?  ;D

I've been to Baltimore, but of course to Camden Yards and the Outsider Art museum.  My class and race betray me again. :D

Personally, I only went to the cops one of the times I was robbed at gunpoint, and I was much more disturbed by their racism and very blatant violations of investigative protocol than I was by the fact that they were slobby old white dudes.  I really don't think hairstyle makes or breaks the credibility of the cops, but, you know, I have to defer to all of you on this.  I do wish police departments would do more to get the behavior of their officers in line, though.  It does seem so much more important.
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Post by: Inquirer on January 03, 2007, 03:41:08 PM
I have to be honest and say that I really don't understand why anyone is tripping about the hairstyles of the police officers in their community. 


What I don't get is why anyone who doesn't live in the community is quick to protest and get up in arms about something like hair when there's plenty more in Baltimore that could be addressed... Is anyone here willing to sue the school system for their gross misappropriation of school funding? I don't see any outsiders researching the Maryland constitution for what it says about displacement of long-time city residents due to aggressive "urban revitalization"...

Honestly, I don't agree with banning of neatly kept natural hairstyles (since I've been natural for quite a while), but if the BPD felt that's what they had to do at the time to get the attention of the numerous officers who don't value professional looking hair, fine by me. I've long since tired of seeing scruffy officers in public and just because they are doing their jobs, doesn't mean they shouldn't be expected to look the part as well. Perhaps the BPD policy could've been better written - they could have prohibited "unkempt hair and excessive hair color" (for instance) - but it wasn't. Oh well.  The hairstyles of police officers is low on the totem pole for what should be protected in this town. I don't think it's right to say people are "tripping" for pointing out the obvious flaws in the police officers in "their" community, welcoming change and refusing to protest over something as minor as requiring someone to keep their hair looking decent. If anything, the only people "tripping" about the police officer's hairstyles are those who do not live in "this community" who are ready to sue and write letters and such over something that probably needed to have been addressed a long time ago.  With all the other issues in this town, the blood pressure of most city residents is most certainly not going to rise about the admirable - but poorly executed - moves the police department makes to improve the looks of their officers...


EDIT: Exactly, jarhead. I will not complain about the cops in this town being required to look like some other than "corner boys" and "stoop chicks"
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Post by: Miss P on January 03, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
I have to be honest and say that I really don't understand why anyone is tripping about the hairstyles of the police officers in their community. 


What I don't get is why anyone who doesn't live in the community is quick to protest and get up in arms about something like hair when there's plenty more in Baltimore that could be addressed... Is anyone here willing to sue the school system for their gross misappropriation of school funding? I don't see any outsiders researching the Maryland constitution for what it says about displacement of long-time city residents due to aggressive "urban revitalization"...

I think you'd best step back before you make any more assumptions about how little I've done.  Why do you think I knew anything about the Maryland constitution to begin with, Inquirer?  It wasn't my middle school civics class.

You can complain that outsiders are chatting on a legal message board about possible legal remedies to what they perceive as a discriminatory grooming policy in the BPD, but I think your outrage would probably be better spent worrying about police misconduct or any legion of other things. 
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Post by: Inquirer on January 03, 2007, 04:44:29 PM
I think you'd best step back before you make any more assumptions about how little I've done.  Why do you think I knew anything about the Maryland constitution to begin with, Inquirer?  It wasn't my middle school civics class.

You can complain that outsiders are chatting on a legal message board about possible legal remedies to what they perceive as a discriminatory grooming policy in the BPD, but I think your outrage would probably be better spent worrying about police misconduct or any legion of other things. 

Miss P, you really seem like a really cool person, but I KNOW I've never met you - so please refrain from the what "I'd best to do" comments. I won't come at you like a hoodrat, so try not to talk to me like one  ;D

 Not to be rude, but do I care at all about the other reasons you know anything about the Maryland constitution? Not in the least.  For real, I didn't even know that you were the one to bring up the constitution in the first place, I just remembered that someone did.

Please believe - I'm far from "outraged" that people who don't live in Baltimore are up in arms about some hair issue.  People should certainly feel free to protect the rights of a police officer to look a mess on the job, that sure sounds like a noble cause to me.  ::) In fact, before I responded to you, I didn't have much to say in this conversation except to share that the cops here tend to look a mess (since I got the distinct sense that not too many of the people who were mad might have thought the policy was just hateful, when it really just seemed to be a poor choice of words), Sheila Dixon might not really be a sellout, and that the policy might do a little bit of good in this town. As I said in my last post though, there are bigger issues in this town than the raggedy hair on the heads of police officers, and if banning unkempt hair boosts the respect level of the cops in this town, that's wonderful to me.

What I was irked about is your comment that people shouldn't really be concerned about what the cops look like in "their community."  I got a "you people are stupid" (for wanting the cops to look like something other than criminals) vibe that I wasn't feeling at all  :-\...

Anyway, I hope that clears up any issues...if not, please feel free to PM me. Peace.
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Post by: Miss P on January 03, 2007, 05:09:59 PM
My response to Inquirer was out of line.  I'll come back with further apologies and explanations later, but for now -- I'm sorry for snapping.
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Post by: A. on January 03, 2007, 05:16:36 PM
Are people really going to disrespect a cop b/c he has "unruly" hair?  If one pulls me over looking like Lil Jon, I'm not going to start a fight with him...he has a gun...
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 05:24:35 PM
it presentation man...maybe im just different but there are certain things i expect...i expect strippers not to have bullet wounds and scars from knife fights and to be able to hold themselves up on a pole...i expect that if you're going to take my money you should speak english when there is a problem and i want it back...and i expect, to steal your line inquirer, to have police who dont look like "corner boys" and "stoop chicks".... would you eat lobster and steak if it was served to you on a garbage can lid...its still lobster right and its still steak right...but would you eat it off of a garbage can lid?
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 05:53:36 PM
it presentation man...maybe im just different but there are certain things i expect...i expect strippers not to have bullet wounds and scars from knife fights and to be able to hold themselves up on a pole...i expect that if you're going to take my money you should speak english when there is a problem and i want it back...and i expect, to steal your line inquirer, to have police who dont look like "corner boys" and "stoop chicks".... would you eat lobster and steak if it was served to you on a garbage can lid...its still lobster right and its still steak right...but would you eat it off of a garbage can lid?

If it were a clean garbage can lid and if I weren't a vegetarian, yes. In a lot of fine restaurants chefs use atypical dinnerware to add to the dining experience.

I'm not even going to go into the bolded!



come on now i've heard of stretching but a clean gar...its not clean its not some avant garde restaurant...this is just silly i think my point is made...
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 05:54:25 PM
and go into the bolded all you want i stand by my statement
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Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 06:07:43 PM
it presentation man...maybe im just different but there are certain things i expect...i expect strippers not to have bullet wounds and scars from knife fights and to be able to hold themselves up on a pole...i expect that if you're going to take my money you should speak english when there is a problem and i want it back...and i expect, to steal your line inquirer, to have police who dont look like "corner boys" and "stoop chicks".... would you eat lobster and steak if it was served to you on a garbage can lid...its still lobster right and its still steak right...but would you eat it off of a garbage can lid?

I know this negro isn't using Cosby show lines. Dabnus, Dabnus Brickee, is that you?  :D
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 06:11:51 PM
it presentation man...maybe im just different but there are certain things i expect...i expect strippers not to have bullet wounds and scars from knife fights and to be able to hold themselves up on a pole...i expect that if you're going to take my money you should speak english when there is a problem and i want it back...and i expect, to steal your line inquirer, to have police who dont look like "corner boys" and "stoop chicks".... would you eat lobster and steak if it was served to you on a garbage can lid...its still lobster right and its still steak right...but would you eat it off of a garbage can lid?

I know this negro isn't using Cosby show lines. Dabnus, Dabnus Brickee, is that you?  :D



thats right its the Cos best show on tv...but damn dabnus brickkee  i didn't remember dudes name...you brought it back
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 06:16:58 PM
it presentation man...maybe im just different but there are certain things i expect...i expect strippers not to have bullet wounds and scars from knife fights and to be able to hold themselves up on a pole...i expect that if you're going to take my money you should speak english when there is a problem and i want it back...and i expect, to steal your line inquirer, to have police who dont look like "corner boys" and "stoop chicks".... would you eat lobster and steak if it was served to you on a garbage can lid...its still lobster right and its still steak right...but would you eat it off of a garbage can lid?

I know this negro isn't using Cosby show lines. Dabnus, Dabnus Brickee, is that you?  :D

 ;D ;D ;D

you have redeemed yourself and you are now my friend again :-*
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Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 06:18:05 PM
 :-*
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 06:19:57 PM
Dabnus Brickee...im still chucklin' over that
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Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 06:22:28 PM
L-M-A-O. Dabnus Brickee was one of the funniest Cos episodes EVER. God, I love that show.
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 06:29:11 PM
L-M-A-O. Dabnus Brickee was one of the funniest Cos episodes EVER. God, I love that show.

same here...impatiently waiting for the 3rd season to go on dvd  :-\
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 06:36:07 PM
remember the one when rudy stole the money to buy the sweater with the lights on it and my first ex-wife Claire Huxtable was crawling on the floor looking for the 3 dollars....classic  :D
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 06:37:49 PM
remember the one when rudy stole the money to buy the sweater with the lights on it and my first ex-wife Claire Huxtable was crawling on the floor looking for the 3 dollars....classic  :D

that was one of the lamest episodes of cosby...srsly.

one of the best?  the one with theo and the Gordan Gartrell shirt--freaking classic.
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Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 06:39:06 PM
remember the one when rudy stole the money to buy the sweater with the lights on it and my first ex-wife Claire Huxtable was crawling on the floor looking for the 3 dollars....classic  :D

I'm a Real World Hotel lover myself. And that one where Claire tells Elvin he's not going to have anyone serving him anything, anywhere, any place, anytime, ev-ah.
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Post by: A. on January 03, 2007, 06:39:24 PM
it presentation man...maybe im just different but there are certain things i expect...i expect strippers not to have bullet wounds and scars from knife fights and to be able to hold themselves up on a pole...i expect that if you're going to take my money you should speak english when there is a problem and i want it back...and i expect, to steal your line inquirer, to have police who dont look like "corner boys" and "stoop chicks".... would you eat lobster and steak if it was served to you on a garbage can lid...its still lobster right and its still steak right...but would you eat it off of a garbage can lid?

If it were a clean garbage can lid and if I weren't a vegetarian, yes. In a lot of fine restaurants chefs use atypical dinnerware to add to the dining experience.

I'm not even going to go into the bolded!

I agree with Mrs. Troy re: garbage cans (I've even heard of restaurants serving gourmet meals directly on the (very clean) floor) and jarhead re: English.  I wish I could outlaw the outsourcing of "customer service" to any non-English-speaking country.
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Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 06:39:47 PM
the best was the 49th wedding anniversary
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 06:41:05 PM
I wish I could outlaw the outsourcing of "customer service" to India.




uhhh...Bro don't even get me started
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 06:41:45 PM
the best was the 49th wedding anniversary

that was one of the best...still think the best was the pilot.
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Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 06:45:21 PM
the best was the 49th wedding anniversary

that was one of the best...still think the best was the pilot.

you are right.  that one is the best--followed closely by 49th anniversary then stevie wonder
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 06:45:44 PM
you know the night tiiimee...night and day...is the right time...night and day...to beeeeehhheee...night and day...with the ooone u love....
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Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 06:46:15 PM
The best was Gordon Gartrelle.
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 06:47:12 PM
the best was the 49th wedding anniversary

that was one of the best...still think the best was the pilot.

you are right.  that one is the best--followed closely by 49th anniversary then stevie wonder

49th aniversary is tied with gordon gartrelle imo


The best was Gordon Gartrelle.

I already mentioned that...u mad late homie
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Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 06:48:44 PM
The best was Gordon Gartrelle.

YES. That is in the group of the best episodes.

1) Dabnus meets the Huxtables
2) Gordon Gartrelle
3) Real World Hotel
4) The second episode (Rudy's fish dies)
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Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 06:49:35 PM
Real World Hotel is the one where Theo comes back and everyone is playing a character? Cockroach oil? ROFL!!!
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Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 06:50:46 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 06:51:49 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10

it's all about the pilot!!

"come here.  come here. no there is there, this is here--come here"

"i am your father--i brought you in this world, and i can take you out!"

 :D :D
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 06:52:41 PM
i gotta go with gordon gartrelle...the sleeves on that joint was f-ed up lmao...damn those were the days...now we got "flava of love" and "i love ny"  :-X
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Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 06:54:19 PM
I also liked the ep where Theo said he was going to get Martin a stripper.The BBQ episode... *&^% was funny.
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 06:55:55 PM
just to make this highjack official....how bout the one when cliff and clair went to elvin and sandra's house above the chinese restaurant...i think thats when they wanted to open the wilderness store
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:00:04 PM
just to make this highjack official....how bout the one when cliff and clair went to elvin and sandra's house above the chinese restaurant...i think thats when they wanted to open the wilderness store

they went there a few times...the wilderness store/when she was preg.  those were funny eps.

what about when S&E told them that they weren't going to grad school?  Convo btwn Clair and Sondra:
"But you've always wanted to be a lawyer, you've talked about nothing else!"
"I've changed my mind."
"CHANGE IT BACK! After all that money we sent sending you to Princeton? Sondra, you owe us 79,648 dollars and 22 cents, and I want my money NOW!"

CLASSIC!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 07:01:27 PM
just to make this highjack official....how bout the one when cliff and clair went to elvin and sandra's house above the chinese restaurant...i think thats when they wanted to open the wilderness store

the best was when the train came.  lmao.
oh remember the episode when ithey announced they were dropping out of law/med school and Claire wanted to go off on Sondra.

birth of Winnie + Nelson was good too.
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:02:12 PM
just to make this highjack official....how bout the one when cliff and clair went to elvin and sandra's house above the chinese restaurant...i think thats when they wanted to open the wilderness store

the best was when the train came.  lmao.
oh remember the episode when ithey announced they were dropping out of law/med school and Claire wanted to go off on Sondra.


birth of Winnie + Nelson was good too.

look above your post  ;)
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 07:02:27 PM
how bout when vanessa and her friends ran off to philadelphia "to see the wretched and have BIG fun"...the couch was at front door....classic
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Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 07:03:23 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10

What 9 episodes are better?
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:04:26 PM
how bout when vanessa and her friends ran off to philadelphia "to see the wretched and have BIG fun"...the couch was at front door....classic

The couch wasn't at the front door for that ep--the couch was at the front when they found out from Rudy that Vanessa had been been sneakin out to see her bf Darrin  (i think that was his name).
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Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 07:06:43 PM
just to make this highjack official....how bout the one when cliff and clair went to elvin and sandra's house above the chinese restaurant...i think thats when they wanted to open the wilderness store

the best was when the train came.  lmao.
oh remember the episode when ithey announced they were dropping out of law/med school and Claire wanted to go off on Sondra.

birth of Winnie + Nelson was good too.

OMG I love the wilderness store eppy too.

That birth thing was terrible. I hate those episodes - too sappy, not funny.
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 07:06:49 PM
u sure i thought it was the wretched and the BIG fun...wait ur right 'cause they got robbed and they had to go get them
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Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 07:07:08 PM
just to make this highjack official....how bout the one when cliff and clair went to elvin and sandra's house above the chinese restaurant...i think thats when they wanted to open the wilderness store

the best was when the train came.  lmao.
oh remember the episode when ithey announced they were dropping out of law/med school and Claire wanted to go off on Sondra.


birth of Winnie + Nelson was good too.

look above your post  ;)

my bad  :D
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:07:55 PM
u sure i thought it was the wretched and the BIG fun...wait ur right 'cause they got robbed and they had to go get them

exactly, claire walked with her into the house.
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 07:08:42 PM
tailwind turner
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Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:08:47 PM
The Wretched were in Baltimore.
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:10:05 PM
tailwind turner

lame.  i rarely watch that ep when its turn comes up on the dvd.
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 07:11:20 PM
tailwind turner

lame.  i rarely watch that ep when its turn comes up on the dvd.


damn girl you dont like none of the good ones
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:12:27 PM
tailwind turner

lame.  i rarely watch that ep when its turn comes up on the dvd.


damn girl you dont like none of the good ones

ha ha, not true.  i like the non-lame ones  ;)

I like the one where Vanessa got drunk playing the alphabet game.  She always got stuck on L. :D
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Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 07:15:02 PM
dat one was aiiight....
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:15:55 PM
Did anyone catch that they used the same ppl over and over again.

Like Vanessa's friend Altheia was also the gf of that lame ass dude Denise tried to hook her up with.

The  girl that Theo cheated on Justine with was later the girl from some Caribbean island that Theo dated AND the girl that Theo's friend gave the stolen watch to.

Martin was the dude from How Ugly Is He episode.

Theo's multi-ethnic teacher was also the girl that arrested the girl that Theo's friend gave the stolen watch to.

The dude on the phone when Cliff was bidding on the painting was the husband that was having a son but couldn't play sports.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 07:16:31 PM
the one with debbie allen when claire went on the diet and they were fighting over the cracker and claire ate it anyway
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:18:28 PM
Did anyone catch that they used the same ppl over and over again.

Like Vanessa's friend Altheia was also the gf of that lame ass dude Denise tried to hook her up with.

The  girl that Theo cheated on Justine with was later the girl from some Caribbean island that Theo dated AND the girl that Theo's friend gave the stolen watch to.

Martin was the dude from How Ugly Is He episode.


Theo's multi-ethnic teacher was also the girl that arrested the girl that Theo's friend gave the stolen watch to.

The dude on the phone when Cliff was bidding on the painting was the husband that was having a son but coul

I don't think the bolded was Martin.  Martin actually played that dude that CLiff wanted Sondra to date, remember?\\

the one with debbie allen when claire went on the diet and they were fighting over the cracker and claire ate it anyway

LOVE that episode.  And it was a crouton, not a cracker ;)

speaking of croutons--remember when Cliff took Rudy and her friends to the restaurant and Kenny kept pronouncing it "crow-tons"  :D
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:19:44 PM
Oh - youre right. nvm. He went on a date with Sandra.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: jarhead on January 03, 2007, 07:19:44 PM
crouton...cracker whats this a test  ;)
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Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:20:34 PM
Oh - youre right. nvm. He went on a date with Sandra.

 :-*

crouton...cracker whats this a test  ;)

yup  :D
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 07:22:35 PM
what about the episode where Claire's friends came to visit as they were preparing a tribute for their former professor with the hat..

or the one where Claire got the soundproof room and kicked everyone out including Cliff lol

oh yeah..the one with the strawberry cheesecake and the episode where she injured her foot and they had the fashion show
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:23:29 PM
what about the episode where Claire's friends came to visit as they were preparing a tribute for their former professor with the hat..

or the one where Claire got the soundproof room and kicked everyone out including Cliff lol

oh yeah..the one with the strawberry cheesecake and the episode where she injured her foot and they had the fashion show

the smooth contest, lol
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 07:24:01 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10

What 9 episodes are better?

not ranked:
Pilot
49th Anniversary
Gordan Gatrelle
Hotel
Stevie Wonder
Vannessa drunk chugalugchugalug
Cliff and Claire's anniversary where he makes calibalu
March on Washington
Painting Auction
Thanksgiving (no eggs)
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:25:19 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10

What 9 episodes are better?

not ranked:
Pilot
49th Anniversary
Gordan Gatrelle
Hotel
Stevie Wonder
Vannessa drunk chugalugchugalug
Cliff and Claire's anniversary where he makes calibalu
March on Washington
Painting Auction
Thanksgiving (no eggs)

Love the ep with the Calilou Pot...it was so sweet.
The painting auction was excellent as well (and it reminds me of the record auction though that one doesn't stack up as high).
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:25:54 PM
Yes, I wanted to say Chugalug.

I disagree with the Calibalu ep and the March on Washington one as well. I think the BBQ episode has to go in there.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:27:41 PM
Yes, I wanted to say Chugalug.

I disagree with the Calibalu ep and the March on Washington one as well. I think the BBQ episode has to go in there.

i disagree with the bbq--u just like it bc they wanted strippers  :D
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:29:52 PM
Yes, I wanted to say Chugalug.

I disagree with the Calibalu ep and the March on Washington one as well. I think the BBQ episode has to go in there.

i disagree with the bbq--u just like it bc they wanted strippers  :D

That ish was funny! And at the end, where Rudy and Bud try to get them some sauce! hilarious.

Also, the first episode where Bud appears and Rudy's bossin' him around. That's good.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 07:32:52 PM
Yes, I wanted to say Chugalug.

I disagree with the Calibalu ep and the March on Washington one as well. I think the BBQ episode has to go in there.

i disagree with the bbq--u just like it bc they wanted strippers  :D

That ish was funny! And at the end, where Rudy and Bud try to get them some sauce! hilarious.

Also, the first episode where Bud appears and Rudy's bossin' him around. That's good.

HIS NAME IS KENNY!
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 07:33:38 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10

What 9 episodes are better?

not ranked:
Pilot
49th Anniversary
Gordan Gatrelle
Hotel
Stevie Wonder
Vannessa drunk chugalugchugalug
Cliff and Claire's anniversary where he makes calibalu
March on Washington
Painting Auction
Thanksgiving (no eggs)

bolded means they are inferior to the goldfish
italics means they are equal to the goldfish
underlined means I don't remember that episode
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 07:34:18 PM
i loved the episode with Nancy Wilson as well.. and the episodes with Joe Williams.. but maybe that's just with my love of jazz.. the impromptu Moody's Mood was so sweet to me...and the "claire"/Williams wedding song duet was tender as well...

oh yeah.. the BB King Episode too
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 07:34:58 PM
I didn't really care for the ones with guest stars.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 07:35:49 PM
whats the episode where Claire sings Candy?  that has to go up there too
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 07:39:37 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10

What 9 episodes are better?

not ranked:
Pilot
49th Anniversary
Gordan Gatrelle
Hotel
Stevie Wonder
Vannessa drunk chugalugchugalug
Cliff and Claire's anniversary where he makes calibalu
March on Washington
Painting Auction
Thanksgiving (no eggs)

bolded means they are inferior to the goldfish
italics means they are equal to the goldfish
underlined means I don't remember that episode

you are on crack--Pilot OWNES Goldfish.  And so does Stevie--WHO FEELS ME ON STEVIE?!

Oh and Rudy in dance class with whatshisface
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:41:27 PM
oh real word hotel was good.  true.

but goldfish?  nah homie thats not even top 10

What 9 episodes are better?

not ranked:
Pilot
49th Anniversary
Gordan Gatrelle
Hotel
Stevie Wonder
Vannessa drunk chugalugchugalug
Cliff and Claire's anniversary where he makes calibalu
March on Washington
Painting Auction
Thanksgiving (no eggs)

bolded means they are inferior to the goldfish
italics means they are equal to the goldfish
underlined means I don't remember that episode

theres no way that the pilot is inferior to the goldfish ep.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:41:54 PM
Goldfish isn't a good episode. I like the one where Rudy sneaks out the house to go to that dance club to see JT Freeze who was a real rapper by the name of Special Ed, I believe.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 07:42:38 PM
honestly, I think they're about equal. The Stevie episode was pretty awful. But I do like the rudy/stanley (RIP) dancing eppy.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:42:59 PM
Goldfish isn't a good episode. I like the one where Rudy sneaks out the house to go to that dance club to see JT Freeze who was a real rapper by the name of Special Ed, I believe.

 :-* :-*

Love that ep too...especially when that girl's eyelash falls off.


Speaking of Rudy...I like that one where she didn't want to go to school on first day of 6th grade bc she didn't have boobs.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:44:29 PM
You get what you get when you get it and some of us haven't got it yet.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:45:25 PM
You get what you get when you get it and some of us haven't got it yet.

 :D :D
Yup...and I'm mad she wanted to put some mayonaise like substabce on her chest.  Sad.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 07:47:26 PM
i liked the episode where Rudy tried to trick her parents..about the purple dress to wear to the party.. remember the It's not easy being green segment?

but hands down.. all episodes where Claire went off were classic to me... remember the one where Vanessa was dating Jeremy? classic...
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:49:16 PM
i liked the episode where Rudy tried to trick her parents..about the purple dress to wear to the party.. remember the It's not easy being green segment?

but hands down.. all episodes where Claire went off were classic to me... remember the one where Vanessa was dating Jeremy? classic...

That was his name!!! Jeremy!!!  Yea I like that ep a lot.  Vanessa was always on some od bs.

Oh and I like the one with the prom--had Theo's prom and Cliff and Claire's prom in the same ep
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 07:52:22 PM
wow i forgot about the prom one.

my mom always said I remind her of Vanessa. Should I be offended?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:52:29 PM
i liked the episode where Rudy tried to trick her parents..about the purple dress to wear to the party.. remember the It's not easy being green segment?

but hands down.. all episodes where Claire went off were classic to me... remember the one where Vanessa was dating Jeremy? classic...

Let the record show...
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 07:52:45 PM
wow i forgot about the prom one.

my mom always said I remind her of Vanessa. Should I be offended?

yes. kill self
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 07:53:20 PM
wow i forgot about the prom one.

my mom always said I remind her of Vanessa. Should I be offended?

Yup  :D

"Let the record show" and Cliff would say "Oh lord here we go with the record" :D
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 07:59:17 PM
 :D :D :D hilarious... and see these are the reasons that we stick around on blsd.. u guys are cracking me up this evening..one kind of forgets we're in different rooms in different parts of the country

wow i forgot about the prom one.

my mom always said I remind her of Vanessa. Should I be offended?

Yup  :D

"Let the record show" and Cliff would say "Oh lord here we go with the record" :D
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 07:59:39 PM
honestly, I think they're about equal. The Stevie episode was pretty awful. But I do like the rudy/stanley (RIP) dancing eppy.

no homeboy's name was clarence...he came back as stanley
(another revolving door actor)
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 08:01:31 PM
honestly, I think they're about equal. The Stevie episode was pretty awful. But I do like the rudy/stanley (RIP) dancing eppy.

no homeboy's name was clarence...he came back as stanley
(another revolving door actor)

nah those were two diff boys.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 03, 2007, 08:02:11 PM
that wasnt the same kid.

honestly, I think they're about equal. The Stevie episode was pretty awful. But I do like the rudy/stanley (RIP) dancing eppy.

no homeboy's name was clarence...he came back as stanley
(another revolving door actor)

nah those were two diff boys.

right
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: blk_reign on January 03, 2007, 08:02:31 PM
yeah they were.. clarence was darker.. i'm so mad i remember this lol

honestly, I think they're about equal. The Stevie episode was pretty awful. But I do like the rudy/stanley (RIP) dancing eppy.

no homeboy's name was clarence...he came back as stanley
(another revolving door actor)

nah those were two diff boys.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 08:05:18 PM
oh yeah! I forgot that kid was Clarence. Who could imagine Stanley ballroom dancing?!

 :-X
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 08:05:37 PM
oh my bad.   :(  but clarence was the one who danced.  so Mo is still wrong  :D.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on January 03, 2007, 08:06:39 PM
oh my bad.   :(  but clarence was the one who danced.  so Mo is still wrong  :D.

And so are you. But what else is new?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 08:07:41 PM
oh my bad.   :(  but clarence was the one who danced.  so Mo is still wrong  :D.

And so are you. But what else is new?

your lack of humor...oh wait
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 03, 2007, 08:14:52 PM
You get what you get when you get it and some of us haven't got it yet.

 :D :D
Yup...and I'm mad she wanted to put some mayonaise like substabce on her chest.  Sad.

lmao.  I missed this post. hilarious
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on January 04, 2007, 01:18:56 AM
You get what you get when you get it and some of us haven't got it yet.

 :D :D
Yup...and I'm mad she wanted to put some mayonaise like substabce on her chest.  Sad.

lmao.  I missed this post. hilarious

This is easily a top-five episode to my mind.

I was going to come in and talk about police and hair and shite, but it just doesn't seem appropriate to ruin the glory of this Cos rundown.

Suffice it to say: I don't think the way police wear their hair is very important.  I think the way they treat people is important.  To borrow jarhead's garbage can lid metaphor, if someone tried to serve me a bunch of garbage to eat on a garbage can lid, my issue wouldn't be with the serving dish.  That said, I got my knickers all bunched for no good reason, and I think I sounded much more dismissive of the legitimate posters in the thread (I'm exempting one poster from this list) than I intended.  I'm really sorry about that. 
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 04, 2007, 08:30:47 AM
You get what you get when you get it and some of us haven't got it yet.

 :D :D
Yup...and I'm mad she wanted to put some mayonaise like substabce on her chest.  Sad.

lmao.  I missed this post. hilarious

This is easily a top-five episode to my mind.

I was going to come in and talk about police and hair and shite, but it just doesn't seem appropriate to ruin the glory of this Cos rundown.

Suffice it to say: I don't think the way police wear their hair is very important.  I think the way they treat people is important.  To borrow jarhead's garbage can lid metaphor, if someone tried to serve me a bunch of garbage to eat on a garbage can lid, my issue wouldn't be with the serving dish.  That said, I got my knickers all bunched for no good reason, and I think I sounded much more dismissive of the legitimate posters in the thread (I'm exempting one poster from this list) than I intended.  I'm really sorry about that. 

umm why are you posting at 4am?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 04, 2007, 08:36:27 AM
umm would you stop with the umms?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Miss P on January 04, 2007, 08:38:33 AM
umm why are you posting at 4am?

I am an insomniac!  It may account for some of my crankiness. ;)

Also, I am on the West Coast -- and will be for well nigh another 17 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: One Step Ahead on January 04, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
umm why are you posting at 4am?

I am an insomniac!  It may account for some of my crankiness. ;)

Also, I am on the West Coast -- and will be for well nigh another 17 minutes or so.

 :D  Safe travels!
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 04, 2007, 08:49:44 AM
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c330/2pn/gifs/ass/cosbybobber.gif

The Coz is loving the direction this thread took.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: jarhead on January 04, 2007, 02:05:57 PM
how bout the one with the sandman "challenge"
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 05, 2007, 09:00:40 PM
how bout the one with the sandman "challenge"

Jarhead, that ep is on RIGHT NOW on Nick  :)
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: A. on January 10, 2007, 06:38:53 PM
Hm.  I guess being clean-cut didn't help this guy:

Violence rings in new year in Baltimore

By BRIAN WITTE, Associated Press WriterWed Jan 10, 5:15 AM ET

The fatal shooting of an off-duty Baltimore police officer underscores the brazen violence faced by police and residents alike in a city with one of the highest violent crime rates in the country.

Just nine days into the new year, Baltimore had recorded 10 homicides, and the shooting of Detective Troy Chesley Sr. the third armed attack against a city officer in three months has raised fears that even police aren't safe from the upswing in violence.

Lt. Paul Blair, Jr., president of the city police union, said many criminals seem to have no fear of police and won't hesitate to kill, even when carrying out petty crimes.

"I've seen them kill for minor street robberies of ten dollars, and they kill the person because they looked at them wrong," he said.

On Tuesday, police arrested Brandon Grimes, 21, charging him with first-degree murder in Chesley's death after he got off work at 1 a.m. Tuesday. Grimes was badly wounded in the leg in the shootout, and police tracked him down at St. Agnes Hospital where he was being treated under guard.

Grimes who had been scheduled to begin a trial on gun charges Wednesday has been arrested 17 times in recent years, prompting grieving and angry police officials to express outrage that he wasn't in jail.

Police Commissioner Leonard Hamm said law enforcement agencies are often are at odds with each other as they grapple with high crime rates. He said they must take a hard look at a system that allows people like Grimes to roam the streets.

"We need to stop being petty," Hamm said. "We need to put our egos at the door and concentrate on people like Brandon Grimes."

Baltimore finished 2006 with 275 homicides, up six from the year before.

Blair said too many officers may believe they have "cheated death another day" when their shifts end, only to forget about late-night dangers on city streets when they're going home.

"It just seems maybe our guys just can't stop dropping their guard when they finish up their day," he said.

Last month, officer Momudu Gondo was wounded during what authorities believe was a robbery attempt as he got out of his car near his home in Northeast Baltimore. Police arrested a suspect about a week later. Gondo, who returned fire at his assailants, was wearing a ballistic vest and survived the shooting.

In November, Sgt. Christopher Nyberg managed to disarm a would-be robber who held a knife to his throat, Blair said. Nyberg shot two of the four people who tried to rob him as he was walking home.

In September, Officer Robert Cirello was shot while on patrol. He was wearing body armor and survived.

Chesley, 34, had just gotten off work and was not in uniform when he arrived at his girlfriend's home in West Baltimore. Chesley was a 13-year-veteran who worked in a unit assigned to patrol public housing.

In the last 3 1/2 years, Grimes had been charged with handgun, drug and car theft crimes and mostly avoided lengthy jail time, except for a six-month sentence for violating probation in 2005. He posted $45,000 bail in March to get out of jail on one handgun charge. He then got out of jail again a month later on $100,000 bail.

His trial on the gun charges had been scheduled to begin Wednesday in Baltimore Circuit Court. On the second handgun charge, prosecutors had recommended $500,000 bail, saying Grimes posed a danger to the community.

Col. Frederick Bealefeld, chief of the police department's detective unit, angrily pointed out that police had risked their lives twice before to take guns away from Grimes only to see him get another gun and murder "one of our brothers" a day before his trial.

"This is the sort of mayhem and craziness that we see all to often," Bealefeld said.

Chesley, who received a commendation in 1998 for leading several people from a burning building, also appeared in a 2005 police DVD called "Keep Talking." The DVD, which was distributed around the city, was designed to counter a DVD made by drug dealers titled "Stop Snitching."

The street video was made to discourage residents from talking to police.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070110/ap_on_re_us/baltimore_violence
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Post by: Statistic on January 10, 2007, 06:59:41 PM
stop tryna hijack the hijack.
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 21, 2007, 09:10:50 PM
stop tryna hijack the hijack.

titcr


One of the best 2 parters--Sondra having the babies is on right now! Comedy
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 21, 2007, 09:19:48 PM
stop tryna hijack the hijack.

titcr


One of the best 2 parters--Sondra having the babies is on right now! Comedy

im watchin' too. why you idle on AIM?
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 21, 2007, 09:20:46 PM
stop tryna hijack the hijack.

titcr


One of the best 2 parters--Sondra having the babies is on right now! Comedy

im watchin' too. why you idle on AIM?

feeling a bit anti-social
Title: Re: Baltimore Will Do Anything To Keep Black People Off Its Police Force.
Post by: Statistic on January 21, 2007, 09:24:42 PM
stop tryna hijack the hijack.

titcr


One of the best 2 parters--Sondra having the babies is on right now! Comedy

im watchin' too. why you idle on AIM?

feeling a bit anti-social
awwww