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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: challandler on October 21, 2006, 09:19:20 AM

Title: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 21, 2006, 09:19:20 AM
It just so happens that I've got a little free time this weekend which coincides with the release of LSAT scores and the inevitable rush of threads about choosing a school.  So I'll take a few questions from anyone who is interested in finding out what Michigan is really like.  Here's the deal: you don't ask me about your chances of getting in (I'm not in charge of that), and I'll give you the honest scoop about anythng else (no trolling here).  Fire away.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: trump on October 21, 2006, 09:34:35 AM
what do you think Mich would have to do in order to be mentioned in the same breath as Columbia/NYU/Chi?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: mjb on October 21, 2006, 09:47:33 AM
It just so happens that I've got a little free time this weekend which coincides with the release of LSAT scores and the inevitable rush of threads about choosing a school.  So I'll take a few questions from anyone who is interested in finding out what Michigan is really like.  Here's the deal: you don't ask me about your chances of getting in (I'm not in charge of that), and I'll give you the honest scoop about anythng else (no trolling here).  Fire away.   

How important are essays? How are minority recruitment/scholarships? 

How is oncapmus recruitment? Does everyone have a path on easy street with a UMich degree?

How cheap are student football tickets? How easy are they to get?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ricflair on October 21, 2006, 10:50:38 AM
Thanks Vapid, I am interested in QOL/COL issues.

What is cost of housing like? I have heard that it is relatively expensive for the Great Lakes region. Do you think $600 for a 1-br is reasonable there? Also, how is convenience of off-campus housing versus on-campus?

How is transportation to and from campus? Is a car necessary and what is parking like around campus?

I have read that a high percentage of law students live in a dorm. Have you lived there, and if so what do you think? (If at all possible I would not like to relive my undergrad days where one is constantly surrounded by classmates)

How is the gym?

TIA, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 21, 2006, 11:24:46 AM
what do you think Mich would have to do in order to be mentioned in the same breath as Columbia/NYU/Chi?

Move.  Young aspiring professionals tend to want to be in large, coastal cities.  Michigan's location produces fewer applications and a lower yield than peer schools. This results in a high acceptance rate and lower average LSAT and GPA, which are the main things hurting the school in conventional rankings.


I have a vague idea that U Mich has some good sports teams. Heh. I'm not much of a sports fan. Will a non-sports fan fit in at Mich? Will I be the only one not going out to the big football game?


While there are plenty of students who don't go to the football games, you need to be willing to accomodate those of us who do.  Traffic on football Saturdays is nearly impossible to navigate, and parties will interrupt your peace and quiet if you live between the campus and the stadium.  Also, Saturday is often the one day law students set aside their studying for socializing, so if you insist on being a sports hermit, you may have fewer opportunites to hang out with classmates outside of school.  Many of the law students who aren't interested in sports still go to football parties (and even to the games) just to be a part of the scene and blow off a little steam with their friends. 

On the other hand, many of my friends are not into football at all and I've spent the last several Saturday nights with them at wine parties, ochestral concerts, potlucks, and board game nights.  These events are generally well-attended becuase my friends have the foresight to schedule them after (rather than during) the games.

In short, the class here is large enough and diverse enough that you will find plenty of people with no interest in Michigan athletics and no one will look down on you becuase of it.  You just have to understand and accept the practical impositions that can come with a huge sports school.


How important are essays? How are minority recruitment/scholarships? 

How is oncapmus recruitment? Does everyone have a path on easy street with a UMich degree?

How cheap are student football tickets? How easy are they to get?

1. I can't speak to that.  I don't make admissions/scholarship decisions, and most students here don't talk about aid or admissions.  I wouldn't be able to tell you who wrote which essays or who is getting how much aid, even among my closest friends.

2. The word from the class above us is that everyone gets a great job with a U-M degree.  At first it kinda frustrated me to hear this so much becuase no one ever talked about what they consider a "great" job.  But I've come to discover that's becuase no one is really stressed about employment.  Even students who admit to being at the bottom of their class made $2,500 per week last summer working in the practice area they desire in the city of their choice.  It's hard to complain about that.  Many students split summers so they have the chance to experience different kinds of practice or different cities, and some even go through 3L OCI with an offer from their 2L firm just to explore their options.

3. Season tickets are very easy to get and cost about $22 per game.  You'll get info about them from Dean Z. sometime in the Spring.  There will probably be a seperate group for law students (mostly 1Ls) so you won't be surrounded by drunk UGs.


Thanks Vapid, I am interested in QOL/COL issues.

What is cost of housing like? I have heard that it is relatively expensive for the Great Lakes region. Do you think $600 for a 1-br is reasonable there? Also, how is convenience of off-campus housing versus on-campus?

How is transportation to and from campus? Is a car necessary and what is parking like around campus?

I have read that a high percentage of law students live in a dorm. Have you lived there, and if so what do you think? (If at all possible I would not like to relive my undergrad days where one is constantly surrounded by classmates)

How is the gym?

TIA, I appreciate it.

1 & 2. Ann Arbor is expensive for the Midwest.  $600 for a 1-bedroom apartment might be a little on the low side, but the town has many different neighborhoods so prices vary wildly.  Many of my classmates share houses with roomates found online, and pay much less than that.  Most of these report good experiences.  The convenience of off-campus housing also depends on where you live.  I live north of campus and take a campus bus each day.  It is super-quiet (mostly families) and the bus is very reliable.  The trip from my front door to the classroom takes about 30 minutes (and I can get some reading done). There are plenty of places that are just a short walk from campus.  Many students ride bikes.  Driving is generally out of the question, however, as parking is really hard to come by.  If you live away from campus, it is probably good to have a car for trips to the store and stuff.  If you live on campus, a car is usually unnecessary as you can often find someone else to take you.

3. The Lawyer's Club is for law students only and is part of the law school itself.  It is great becuase you can leave your books in your room, nap between classes, study in privacy, etc.  Also, most of the LC kids get to know each other much faster than the rest of us (but you'll get to know most people pretty well eventually anyway).  If your goal is to not be constantly surrounded by classmates then law school in general is probably not for you.  That's the way it works no matter where you live.  The main questions in deciding between the Lawyers Club and off-campus housing is how much privacy you need (the walls are thin and the bathrooms are shared), how much you like to cook (no kitchen), and how much control you need over things like furniture (they are partially furnished). 

4. There are three gyms, but I haven't been yet so I'll let you know when I go. (Rumor has it that they have lots of equiptment and lots of space, but that they're not the prettiest things in the world).




Okay, I'm off to the Iowa game now, and I have a party to go to tonight, so I probably won't get to any more questions until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 22, 2006, 09:11:21 AM
You mentioned that parking is not good.  Are the spaces gone very early or are there just no all-day student spots available?  If I wanted to show up at 6:30 and study in the library until class started, would I find a spot then?  Is there motorcycle parking near the law school?  Are there park-and-ride lots convenient to the bus lines?

Do you have any idea how much a 3-bedroom house or condo with a garage runs?  Either rental rate or to buy?  I don't suppose you know anything about elementary schools...

Do you know if there are any decent summer jobs in Ann Arbor?  How would a commute to Detroit be?  Are there any decent summer jobs there?

Good questions! 

1. Driving is a challenge.  There are no all-day student lots within a reasonable walking distance to the law school.  Student commuter lots are located off-site, and busses will run you to-and-from campus.  Depending on the lot you choose, permits for a commuter lot cost between $70 and $120 per year.  The city bus (slightly less reliable) has 5 free park-and-ride lots around town as well.  If you really want to be near the law school, some students rent parking spaces from residents in nearby apartments at around $75 per month.  All of the on-street parking near campus is metered, has a two-hour limit, and fills up early.  There are also public parking lots that run $0.80 per hour if you are ever running late and have to drive to class.  Based on what I've seen, motorcycles do not have seperate parking lots/spaces in Ann Arbor.  However, between the city bus and the campus bus, you can get to school from almost anywher in the city without driving, so its not as big of an inconvenience as it sounds.

2. I live in the University's Family Housing, which is a decent option for people with small children.  It includes all of your utilities, as well as cabe and internet, and a three bedroom runs about $1100 - $1200 per month (I have a two-bedroom, personally, so don't quote me on that).  You can have up to two cars in the parking lot (at an additional $50 per year per car), and it has a full basement for storage.  If you need a garage to keep your car covered or if you just prefer a little more space, there are plenty of good family neighborhoods around, but I wouldn't know the price of a condo.  One of my classmates bought a condo here for the three years becuase it would be cheaper than renting, if that gives you any hope.  I'm sure you can find plenty of housing listings online.  You should definitely visit before you buy, however, as the neighborhoods in Ann Arbor are all very different, so you'll want to find the one that suits your personal style.  I've heard that the schools in Ann Arbor are excellent (mostly becuase the bulk of residents are educators working for the University).  There are some towns neighboring Ann Arbor where the housing is cheaper, but the schools are much less desirable.  I would definitely ask around if/when you come to visit and factor your school district into your housing search.

3. I'll learn more about this after November 1st. There are several law offices and courts in Ann Arbor, so sunner job in town is not out-of-the question, but I can't speak to the likelihood of obtaining one.  There are lots of jobs in Detroit, which is about a 30-40 minute commute depending on which route you take and at which time.  Lansing, the state capitol, also has a good number of jobs, but it is an hour away.  It may be harder to get the elite firm jobs in-state without state ties, but if you are less concerned with the prestige of the position and just want a good job that pays well and will provide a good experience, I'm sure you'll be able to find something.  Especially since most of the students here want to use Michigan's national reputation to their advantage and travel to far-away places (I'm considering applying to a few Alaska positions, personally).  One other option I've heard a lot about is working in Chicago.  It's about a 3.5 hour drive, which lets people work during the week and then come back for the weekends with their family. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on October 22, 2006, 09:47:45 AM
Thank you for taking the time to write this.  Michigan is one of my three dream schools (we'll see in Dec. how realistic), so I'm very interested in this thread.  My husband happens to be a UofM alum for both undergrad and grad school (Fine Arts and Medical Illustration), so we are very familiar with Ann Arbor and have some sentimentality toward UofM.

Do married couples without children ever live in family housing, or is it exclusively for families with children?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 22, 2006, 12:35:02 PM
Thank you for taking the time to write this.  Michigan is one of my three dream schools (we'll see in Dec. how realistic), so I'm very interested in this thread.  My husband happens to be a UofM alum for both undergrad and grad school (Fine Arts and Medical Illustration), so we are very familiar with Ann Arbor and have some sentimentality toward UofM.

Do married couples without children ever live in family housing, or is it exclusively for families with children?

I'm glad that you appreciate my efforts.  Free time is scarce as a 1L, so it's good to know I'm not wasting mine.

My SO and I are one of many childless couples living in Michigan Family Housing.  The family housing complex is split up into several areas, however, and some attract more children than others.  I live in a child-heavy area because we liked the apartment layout here better and we don't mind the sound of little children playing in the yard.  If the latter bothers you, there is one area that is almost exclusively childless couples and single grad students (rooming together).  There is a lot of convenience that comes with living here, but be aware that you can probably get a nicer/newer apartment for a similar price elsewhere, or a similar apartment closer to campus, so there are a number of tradeoffs that should be consdered.  Also, if you get accepted and choose to visit, talk to the admissions office about seeing an example of an apartment in which a law student lives.  These apartments aren't very impressive when you see them empty, but some personal touches make them much warmer pretty quickly.

Visit: http://www.housing.umich.edu/northwood/
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Saja on October 22, 2006, 12:38:39 PM
What's your general schedule like?  I know that's a question that's personal to everybody, but how many hours a day do you generally spend in class/studying/doing other stuff, and how often do you go "out"?  (Whether it be to football, parties, dinner, movies, museums, etc)  What do most of the people just out of undergrad do for fun?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 22, 2006, 01:09:17 PM
What's your general schedule like?  I know that's a question that's personal to everybody, but how many hours a day do you generally spend in class/studying/doing other stuff, and how often do you go "out"?  (Whether it be to football, parties, dinner, movies, museums, etc)  What do most of the people just out of undergrad do for fun?

Excellent question, actually, as this is something I'm qualified to talk about.

The first semester schedule is three "doctrinal" classes, which are graded, plus Legal Practice, which is Pass/Fail.  The doctrinal classes are 4 days per week for an hour, Legal Practice is twice a week for an hour.  As you no doubt know, the amount of studying depends on your capabilities and personal style.  I tend to work hard from Sunday night through Thurday afternoon and then take it easy. 

So, my typical Monday is:
6:30 - wake up
7:30 - leave for school
8am-5pm - class and studying
5:30-7 - dinner and relaxing
7-10 - study
10pm - bed

However, for fun:
Wednesday night I watch Project Runway / Top Chef with friends.
Thursday night from 6-9pm I play poker with some law students.
Thursday from 10pm-12am is the law school bowling league.
Friday night I usually go out to dinner & a movie with my SO.
Saturday during the day I go to the football game with friends.
Saturday night I eiter watch the rest of the games or I go out with friends.
Sunday morning I sleep in, eat a big breakfast, and run some errands/go shopping.

Also, Thursday night is bar night, and many of the straight-from-UG kids enjoy drinking for much of the weekend.

Basically, there is a lot of work to be done and a lot of fun to be had, the trick is just balancing the two in a way that make sense.


I wanted to let everyone know that (1) if I haven't answered a question in eanough detail or if you have follow-up questions feel free to ask them, and (2) I'm going to start studying again soon so I don't know the next time I'll be free to answer questions.  Just leave them here and I'll get to them when I can.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Saja on October 22, 2006, 02:25:18 PM
Thanks Vapid!  Seems like a busy-in-a-good-way lifestyle.  ALthough I fear that I'm going to have to rework my internal clock to fall asleep before 1am.:S 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 22, 2006, 02:34:44 PM
Thanks Vapid!  Seems like a busy-in-a-good-way lifestyle.  ALthough I fear that I'm going to have to rework my internal clock to fall asleep before 1am.:S 

Not neccessarily.  1/3 of all Fall Starters are on a later schedule, with classes between 11:15 & 5:30.  So you may get lucky, you never know.  I prefer the morning schedule, myself.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Zam on October 22, 2006, 05:33:05 PM
Vapid, do you know anyone who did the summer start option at UMich? Did they enjoy it?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 22, 2006, 05:44:58 PM
So you may not know this yet, or have anecdotal experience or whatnot, being a 1L, but... how transfer-friendly is Michigan, and how do transfer students tend to do at OCI (i.e. do employers tend to hire them as if they're mediocre Michigan students, near the bottom, in the top quartile, etc.)?

It would probably be best to check the yahoo transfer group for statistical evidence, but our two Fall Con Law classes have at least one transfer 2L each.  The one in my class went to a T2 and did well (although it didn't sound like he/she was a superstar, or anything).  There are undoubtedly more who took their 1L requirments at previous schools and who I wouldn't be aware of.  On Monday, I can ask the one I know about their OCI experiences thus far, if you'd like. 


Vapid, do you know anyone who did the summer start option at UMich? Did they enjoy it?

Every Summer Starter I've met has loved it.  The town is very empty during the summer, which helped them bond, and they enjoyed the lighter load in their first semester.  It can be hard to find a place to move-in that early, but that's about the only downside I can see.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: mjb on October 22, 2006, 05:50:57 PM
I can and want to start in the summer. Is there a benefit to applying to summer as opposed to fall?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Zam on October 22, 2006, 06:15:47 PM
Vapid, do you know anyone who did the summer start option at UMich? Did they enjoy it?

Every Summer Starter I've met has loved it.  The town is very empty during the summer, which helped them bond, and they enjoyed the lighter load in their first semester.  It can be hard to find a place to move-in that early, but that's about the only downside I can see.

That is what I was hoping to hear. Although, to be fair, everyone who goes to UMich loves it. I mean, really loves it. Is there just an overwhelmingly positive atmosphere there?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 22, 2006, 06:44:32 PM
I can and want to start in the summer. Is there a benefit to applying to summer as opposed to fall?

I can only speculate.  I know that a few waitlisters from last cycle were offered admission if they agreed to defer until the summer this year, so it is possible that the summer spots are harder to fill.


That is what I was hoping to hear. Although, to be fair, everyone who goes to UMich loves it. I mean, really loves it. Is there just an overwhelmingly positive atmosphere there?

I think that the atmosphere at a school is largely what you and your classmates make it.  You will spend almost all of your time with the same 100 or so people for the first year, and if you are all miserable oafs, your experience will probably be miserable.  That said, Dean Z does an excellent job in selecting a pleasant class (she calls us "the smartest people you'd ever want to talk to"), and the administration is just amazingly helpful and friendly.  The upperclassmen do a good job in reminding us all to relax.  You really can do almost anything from almost anywhere in the class, so that takes a lot of the pressure off.  Also, I think that Michigan is an unusual school becuase of Ann Arbor - too cold, too small, and too Midwest for many people - so most of the students who end here come becuase they are want that environment, not in spite of it.  I think it makes many of us less likely to take the place for granted.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: beatthebuckeyes on October 23, 2006, 08:09:31 PM
I can and want to start in the summer. Is there a benefit to applying to summer as opposed to fall?

I can only speculate.  I know that a few waitlisters from last cycle were offered admission if they agreed to defer until the summer this year, so it is possible that the summer spots are harder to fill.

Hi this is a umich 2L... just thought I'd add to what Vapid said.  If you are from out-of-state, I think summer is easier.  I think if you went to Michigan undergrad, fall may be equally easy b/c (I think) there are more umich grads that apply early decision and so they tend to be overrepresented in the summer class.

Also a quick comment on the parking situation- there is a lot that is about 10 min walk to the law school, but it fills up really early- if you don't have an 8:00 am class, you probably won't be able to get a spot most days.  But I drive to campus from my apartment and take the commuter bus from the Crisler lot most of the time and it's really easy.

Vapid- glad you are liking the umich experience so far.

As for transfers, I know two transfer students who had good luck with OCI because 1) most of the transfers were pretty high up in their classes at other schools and b) now they have the Michigan name and go through Michigan's OCI process.  One I know had callbacks with some great DC firms (haven't talked to her about where she decided on yet) and the other ended up at McDermott Chicago which is a great firm.  I think you have just as many options, especially if you are able to write onto a journal.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 26, 2006, 07:14:40 AM
Thaks for offering you insights, beatthebuckeyes.  Your input (obviously) is always welcome here.

So I asked the transfer student I know personally about his/her experiences with OCI.  I was told that there may have been some small disadvantage, but it wasn't noticable.  Since Michigan doesn't allow recruiters to screen applicants beforehand, tranfer students have access to the same firms as every other Michigan student.  Once in the interview, a good personality, a sharp mind, and great grades (which transfer student would of course have) alleviate the school issue.  I think it is easier for a firm to make a big deal about school quality before they put a face to a name, and the student I spoke to expressed his/her opinion that being accepted to a school like Michigan as a transfer student reassures interviewers about the academic rigor of your previous work.  If you're good enough to get past Dean Z, you're good enough for most firms.  As a side note, transfers also have the opportunity to write-on to all of the journals, including Law Review, so it doesn't seem that they are at any significant disadvantage in comming here.  Hope that helps.

Feel free to leave any other questions (not about admissions chances/policies).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: xk on October 26, 2006, 08:19:07 AM
Who is your favorite professor so far?  Have you had a class with Croley yet?  Are most of the exams take home or in class?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 26, 2006, 01:16:13 PM
Who is your favorite professor so far?  Have you had a class with Croley yet?  Are most of the exams take home or in class?  Thanks!

I'll answer the best I can, but I've got to be a little discreet (I don't want to give myself away, here).  Every professor has a very distinct teaching style and "favorites" vary wildly.  I've also observed the classes of other students   Some are heavily socratic, some are exactly the  opposite.  Some focus largely on rules, others on policy or theory, and still others on critcal thinking.  As is the case with most top schools, the focus is more on the nuances of law in abstraction.  We are certainly not being trained to pass the bar, nor to resolve the easy cases.  I think that this - the call to challenge and engage the law rather than to wield it - is the most unifying factor among the professors I have seen.  It is one of the best things about being here, in my opinion; there is an implication in that call that we, as Michigan grads, will have the ability to change the rules of the game.

The consensus on Croley is that he is an amazing professor, but my sources are limited.  I sat-in on a Croley class this summer and he seemed captivating (which most professors are) without being intimidating (which some most certainly are), but I can't really vouch for him in the long-term. 

The exams are usually just one in-class final as a 1L.  A few classes have had midterms (some for practice, some that count), and then there is the rare take-home (either 8 or 24 hours). 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 26, 2006, 02:05:54 PM
Imagine my pleasure and surprise upon popping back into LSD (after a self-imposed exile) to see that VU is back around and promoting our lovely school. 

(Hey VU - what's shaking?  :D)

You folks are in good hands with this guy...he's a veritable data machine.  Take advantage while he's around.

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: xk on October 26, 2006, 02:30:35 PM
This is a technical and borderline silly question, but how are the tests in class administered?  Are they closed book/notes?  How do they ensure that people don't cheat when they have everything on their laptops? 

Welcome back Jolie!  Anything you want to add to VU's comments about your professors? 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on October 26, 2006, 02:37:57 PM
Imagine my pleasure and surprise upon popping back into LSD (after a self-imposed exile) to see that VU is back around and promoting our lovely school. 

(Hey VU - what's shaking?  :D)

You folks are in good hands with this guy...he's a veritable data machine.  Take advantage while he's around.



Jolie, if you're looking for a fun way to procrastinate from studying, I highly recommend this thread:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,71942.0.html
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 26, 2006, 03:12:04 PM
Welcome back Jolie!   

Thanks!  Although I'm not quite sure I'm "back"...just couldn't resist the allure of a Michigan thread!

This is a technical and borderline silly question, but how are the tests in class administered?  Are they closed book/notes?  How do they ensure that people don't cheat when they have everything on their laptops? 

Not silly at all, as it's not intuitive.  The individual professors determine length of exam, format, and access to materials.  My courses run the gamut - civ pro is completely closed book (he'll provide a copy of the federal rules of civil procedure), torts is open book/notes, and crim is open everything.  As in internet access, computer access, what-have-you.  Of course, I expect that the reality is I'll need to go into all of the exams with a firm command of the material and my notes will be primarily for peace of mind - imagine having the time to search the internet for an answer!  Michigan uses the Electronic Blue Book software, which we all have to install.  This software "locks" you out from the rest of your hard drive while you're in it.  And (of course) students still have the option of handwriting exams. 

Anything you want to add to VU's comments about your professors?

Sure!  We're in different sections, so we'll have slightly different perspectives anyway. 

1. We had a wine and cheese reception with the faculty on Tues. where we had the chance to engage our profs. in informal conversation.  A colleague asked one of our professors why she's so committed to Michigan (she did her JD here, has taught here for over 30 years, and until recently held the record for the highest cum GPA in school history.)   A few of the points she mentioned: The administration is deeply committed to interdisciplinary study, which makes for an interesting faculty mix.  The faculty are fairly close with one another, and there's a genuine sense of engagement with each other's scholarship.  The students tends to be brilliant and driven (I liked this one ;)) but are a bit more grounded and well-rounded than at some of the other top schools she's experienced.  Even the very senior faculty are committed to teaching and favor Michigan because of the student-faculty relationships.
 
2. (this last one isn't bs, btw.  Of my three "doctrinal" profs., two of them have been teaching here for over 30 years and have more than enough clout to refuse 1L courses.  They're both wonderful, energetic, and clearly choose to teach us legal neophytes. :))

3. I've been very impressed with our access to both the faculty and administration.  Just as a for-example, I've already had the opportunity to lunch with the dean in a small group and to chat with him one-on-one on several occasions.  We've had a fair amount of interaction with our profs. outside of the classroom, and it's not as though the seniors and superstars lurk in their research dens avoiding students. 

4. I won't say that all is perfect.  My section has had some serious concerns with our Legal Practice experience.  I won't go into it, but it's not been good, even for a course as generally painful as Legal Practice.  The good news is that the school has been extremely responsive.  One of my profs overheard me pissing and moaning, pulled me aside and told me who to speak to.  Within a few days the heads of the Legal Practice program met with a group of us, agreed that our concerns were valid, and began taking steps to address the issue.  I've never seen a bureacracy react so swiftly.   

Anyway, I think that's enough hot air out of me for now.  I know it sounds a little gushy, but I am still genuinely delighted with the school and my colleagues.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 26, 2006, 03:13:48 PM
Imagine my pleasure and surprise upon popping back into LSD (after a self-imposed exile) to see that VU is back around and promoting our lovely school. 

(Hey VU - what's shaking?  :D)

You folks are in good hands with this guy...he's a veritable data machine.  Take advantage while he's around.




JOLIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You came back! I even dedicated a F2tD Challenge in your honor!!! (But it got killed  >:()

<Waves Furiously from her cubicle>

Awww!   :-[  Thanks, demingh!  I'm not gonna lie - I've missed some of you guys!  But going away has done me well.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: xk on October 26, 2006, 03:21:34 PM
Thanks Jolie.  You and VU are among the most informative posters on the board.   :) 

I suspect that many other law schools have similar Electronic Blue Book software.  Do you know if there's a spell check function on that software?  One of the many things I've been paranoid about is my poor spelling.  I attribute this in part to my addiction to the little red underlining thing in Microsoft Word.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on October 26, 2006, 05:14:38 PM
Jolie (or VU) know about how the blk students feel about Mich? Like it/hate it, close knit community etc?

(Obviously I would ask on BLSD, but there isn't at Mich representation there.)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on October 26, 2006, 06:32:01 PM
This is a technical and borderline silly question, but how are the tests in class administered?  Are they closed book/notes?  How do they ensure that people don't cheat when they have everything on their laptops? 

Welcome back Jolie!  Anything you want to add to VU's comments about your professors? 


Hey guys!!! See you later at bowling!!!

To answer this question from xkz, I had an in-class test today administered through bluebook. Some exams will be labeled blocked or unblocked. In blocked mode you cannot access any of the things on your computer. In unblocked, obviously, you can access your computer but not the internet in either case. The final exam schedule is posted early in the semester and the profs will list it as laptop - blocked or unblocked, take home, open note, etc. This was a mid-term and we were permitted anything we wanted, from our casebook to commercial outlines to any class notes on our computer. Needless to say though, in an hour, with several questions to answer, we did not have time to access any of these things. Some 2L mentors have told me this repeatedly, but now I find that it is really true - the exams are really about applying information and typing as fast as you can. I didn't happen to notice any spellcheck, but one student in my class asked the prof specifically about this, and  he said it doesn't matter as long as you are coherent.

Other profs will limit differently. Our Con Law final we already know is blocked and closed book. We will only have whatever info is given directly on the test, and then what we have learned and are able to apply. I actually think it will be simpler this way, but we'll see how I'm feeling in December. Our Criminal Law final will be blocked but open casebook. So the only thing we will be permitted to use is the actual book, no supplements or outlines. It seems to be personal choice of the profs.

So I guess the real answer is the way exams are structured, cheating is kind of hard? Everybody in your class is going to know the framework of rules or know the elements of certain crimes under the penal code. It's the application of the law to the hypos or to the cases that you're given that's being tested. So as my professor said today as he left the room after wishing us good luck, "You can use anything you want that doesn't talk. But it's not going to help you." It was a very inspiring moment.

hope this helps, but I think it just sounds confusing now that I read it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: lazypainter on October 26, 2006, 06:45:46 PM
First of all, thanks for your efforts to save all these lost kids here (including me).

My question will short and simple: how does Michigan place its graduates on international NGOs, say UN or WTO, compared to other top schools? Does it have a lot of resources to help student who want to work for those international NGOs rather than law firms?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on October 26, 2006, 06:58:39 PM
I'm sorry, I don't know too much about how we do with NGOs, at least not yet. We're having a meeting next week with OCS/OPS where I'm sure we'll find out about that sort of thing (as I'm sure every 1L class across the nation will be having the same meeting). I am a very limited resource here - Jolie and Vapid are far more knowledgeable about a lot of UMich things than I am. I will be seeing Vapid in about an hour at bowling so I will ask him and direct him back to the thread. I'm sorry. I can tell you about bluebook though... :-[
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 26, 2006, 10:37:32 PM
Heyyyyyy Jolieeeeeeee

So -- for whichever of you feels like answering -- Ann Arbor, it's not a major city, and it's not really the middle of nowhere.  I picture it as resembling Ithaca.  Maybe somewhere in between Ithaca and Columbus.  Is that fair, more or less?  (This is about the extent of my familiarity with what you could describe as major college towns [or college cities]... well, that and Berkeley, I've spent a bit of time there as well.)

I actually feel like a bit of an expert on this one, as I did my masters in Ithaca. :)  Ann Arbor is like Ithaca, except bigger, and on a highway, and near a major airport, and with more attractive people.  It's the quintessential college town - cosmopolitan, cultured, overpriced (no lie - some things are more expensive here than they were in Manhattan!!), artsy.  I really love studying in this type of environment (as evidenced by the fact that I continue to do graduate degrees in this type of environment.)  The one thing that's a little odd to me is the football culture - it's not just the students.  Really, the whole community obsesses over Michigan football.  I'm kind of indifferent/neutral as far as college football goes, but I'm enough of a sports fan-slash-hippie to appreciate the way the community comes together on game Saturdays.  

But yeah.  Overall, I love Ann Arbor.  

edited to add: btw, I'm writing now because I just got in from an evening out.  I was with VU and smiley and soonertbone and thenextstep and defeatist and others...how could I not love it here, with company like that?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: JMHarmon on October 27, 2006, 01:01:39 AM
How important is it that we write the Why Michigan essay?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on October 27, 2006, 01:15:39 AM
How important is it that we write the Why Michigan essay?

Not that important - I didn't.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: JMHarmon on October 27, 2006, 02:38:08 AM
But you also have a 3.93 and 173...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 27, 2006, 08:28:38 AM
How important is it that we write the Why Michigan essay?

Not that important - I didn't.
But you also have a 3.93 and 173...

Well, I think the obvious point that needs to be made (a la VU) is that none of us are on the admissions committee.  And while I like to delude myself that I'm a Very Important Person who needs to be consulted on all matters of import, Dean Z. has yet to ask my opinion on this one. 

But fwiw, I didn't write either either, and here I am (with a lot more life experience but decidedly shabbier numbers than our Crimson friend.)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Zam on October 27, 2006, 09:08:28 AM
Jolie, I know you can't really comment on people's chances and what not. However, I remember from another thread that you were waitlisted and then accepted, and you felt like through that process you learned a bit more about what UMich really values/looks for in applicants aside from numbers. (This is far from a direct quote, but I think this was the jist). As someone who is more likely to get waitlisted than accepted, I would be interested in hearing from you what you think those characteristics are.

thanks in advance...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 27, 2006, 09:09:33 AM
Jolie (or VU) know about how the blk students feel about Mich? Like it/hate it, close knit community etc?

(Obviously I would ask on BLSD, but there isn't at Mich representation there.)

Sorry, I missed this one last night.  I guess the obvious caveat is that I can't pretend to speak for the black students, but my impression is that it's a comfortable experience.  There's an active BLSA, but they're very inclusive.  That's one of the funny things about all of the identity groups here... On the one hand, it starts to seem silly to have all of the various and sundry student groups claiming the same (diverse) students as members, but it does make for a richer experience for all of us.  In some senses, I'd compare it to my experience as a slightly (ahem) older student.  I was very concerned that Michigan would have a super-young feel and I'd be very conscious of my age.  Happily, it's been a non-issue for two reasons: a) there are plenty of older students, but more significantly b) age is just not a divisive issue.    

Anyway, at the risk of invoking the worst liberal cliche in the interpersonal relations canon, well, some of my closest friends here are black and race seems to be a non-issue.  I'll ask some of them for feedback.  
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 27, 2006, 10:05:45 AM
Thanks to Smiley and Jolie with helping out in this thread.  They're both makking excellent contributions. To touch on a couple small points in previous posts:
1. I didn't write the Why UM? essay either, although I did do two optional essays.
2. I agree with Jolie that Ann Arbor is much larger than Ithaca (I can't speak to Columbus), but is different than the typical New England college town in another way - we are not immersed in (my idea of) natural beauty.  Michigan (the state) has some amazing places to visit, and while Ann Arbor has plenty of trees and a river running through town, there are no snow-capped mountains on the horizon, and no nearby gorges to traverse.  The feel is also a little different because the campus is integrated into the town.  It provides a TON of convenience, but lacks the college-on-the-hill mystique.

Feel free to keep asking questions people - especially things that we might be able to answer (impressions of the administration, student body, facilities, town, townies, food, workload, dress, stress, etc).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ScoopNY on October 27, 2006, 10:08:33 AM
Quote
Jolie (or VU) know about how the blk students feel about Mich? Like it/hate it, close knit community etc?

*Waves to Jolie!*

All of my fellow black students are really, really cool and down to earth. There may not be that many of us, but we do all look out for each other. One of the profs held a little dinner for us to see how we're doing and we had brunch together the other week. We're all from different backgrounds, the black students in my class are from Michigan, Texas, California, Jersey, Atlanta and New York.

Ann Arbor is Ann Arbor, one day it will stop raining but I'm not sure when, it definitely reminds me of Ithaca but bigger. It's a lovely city but it's not New York, thankfully all the people I've met here have been really cool. Like Vapid and Jolie for example!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Saja on October 27, 2006, 01:58:51 PM
How exactly does one get to AA?  Is transportation from the airport in Detroit difficult?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 27, 2006, 02:26:07 PM
How exactly does one get to AA?  Is transportation from the airport in Detroit difficult?

While the Detroit Metro Airport is technically in Detorit, it's not really in Detroit.  It's about a 15-20 minute drive from AA.  A taxi/shuttle ride isn't too expensive.  Becuase it is such a short distance, most students find their friends willing to give them a ride. 

I'm not sure if the first part was meant to be a seperate question or not.  If so, I could use some clarification on what you are asking for.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 27, 2006, 02:31:34 PM
How exactly does one get to AA? 

Practice, practice, practice. 

Oh wait.  That's Carnegie Hall.

Actually, thanks to that post, I now have the Sesame Street theme stuck in my head instead of the civ pro I'm reading: 
Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Ann Arbor?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on October 27, 2006, 02:37:35 PM
How important is it that we write the Why Michigan essay?

Not that important - I didn't.
But you also have a 3.93 and 173...

Well, I think the obvious point that needs to be made (a la VU) is that none of us are on the admissions committee.  And while I like to delude myself that I'm a Very Important Person who needs to be consulted on all matters of import, Dean Z. has yet to ask my opinion on this one. 

But fwiw, I didn't write either either, and here I am (with a lot more life experience but decidedly shabbier numbers than our Crimson friend.)


I guess I should have been clearer.  It never hurts to express interest, but don't feel like you must write UMich. They give you like 5-7 options for a reason - I wrote just one optional essay, I think it was the "academic" one, but did not really have anything to put for Why UMich, other than "it's a good school."
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Saja on October 27, 2006, 03:16:32 PM
How exactly does one get to AA? 

Practice, practice, practice. 

Oh wait.  That's Carnegie Hall.

Actually, thanks to that post, I now have the Sesame Street theme stuck in my head instead of the civ pro I'm reading: 
Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Ann Arbor?


hahaha.  Yes, that's all I meant Vapid.  Good to know it's an easy commute!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on October 27, 2006, 06:19:50 PM
Thanks Scoop and Jolie for the answer to my q.  I think I may apply to Mich though I am concerned about AA.  I didn't like Providence that much so I don't know how I would fare in AA for 3 yrs.  If accepted, I would def have to visit.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 28, 2006, 03:44:33 PM
It's quiet today.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ricflair on October 28, 2006, 05:11:49 PM
How preppy are the students and what do people wear to class?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on October 29, 2006, 07:11:32 AM
First of all, thanks for your efforts to save all these lost kids here (including me).

My question will short and simple: how does Michigan place its graduates on international NGOs, say UN or WTO, compared to other top schools? Does it have a lot of resources to help student who want to work for those international NGOs rather than law firms?

Smiley told me I had to come answer this question - so I came back to do just that.  From what I've learned so far from other students and a recent grad working in international reproductive rights, Michigan fares well with these groups if you really express your interest early and often.  The International Law center (which is not called that but something else more fancy that I forget) has strong ties to a variety of organizations.  People have gotten internships with the UN in Geneva without knowing another language, usually impossible, because of their strong interest and hardwork.  The big NGOs you mention (which are more like international government than NGO anyway) are super-competitive to get a job with, but I think it seems Michigan holds its own.  Now, with a more traditional NGO that is issue-focused you'll fare very well from what I can tell.  Michigan has a international faculty that outpaces its reputation in the area so you'll have good training and many of them have good connections.  Since we aren't on the coast it's a big harder because the orgs are not right down the street the way they are for other schools.  But it seems that's not a disadvantage in hiring, just a disadvantage in knowing your options. 

And just to preempt the domestic question as well, I think the same holds for domestic NGOs.  Michigan fares well and maybe better than its ranking might say - even though we are not on a coast (which is still an issue domestically).  There is a strong and growing public interest scene here.  Already I feel part of a community of public interest students and nearly all the 2Ls and 3Ls I know are in some way connected to public interest.  The Office of Public Service is doing a great job, though they are admittedly still new in the institutional sense. I think 3 or 4 years old, so it's not like the people there are completely new.  It'll only get better and from what I can tell people don't have many complaints. 

Doing non-firm work is sometimes compared to swimming up stream, but I think that's true nearly everywhere.  As a 2L and 3L you have to travel to the Equal Justice Works fair unless you already have a job lined up or have narrowed your options and feel your chances are strong in those options.  It's like OCI for us, but it's I think always in DC in October.  1Ls have to go it alone in some ways because it is so much easier to do OCI.  But with the community of like-minded students you'll find here, it doesn't seem as lonely.  I have even heard of a 3L who feels that Michigan is too public interest focused.  Now he's in the minority from what I can tell, but still it's a nice feeling at times.  Hope this helps those interested in the NGO route.  I'd also say that governmental agency work is probably even a bit easier from Michigan or at least a bit more common, so that form of public interest is also open to you!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 29, 2006, 08:02:30 AM
How preppy are the students and what do people wear to class?

Preppy really doesn't describe most UM students,  but t may depend on your idea of prep.  The style here is very casual.  Most students wear just a t-*&^%/polo/blouse with jeans or a skirt.  Now that it is getting cold out, we're seeing more sweaters and sweatshirts.  Students tend to wear a lot of Michigan apparel, which is nice (at my UG students would wear closthes with the names of other, better schools on them).  There is still pretty wide range of dress - from the students who wear sweatpants all the time to the students in button-downs & khakis - so unless you are wearing a sportscoat or a tie, you'll probably fit in.  It may sound stupid, but clothing style was actually one of the things that influenced my decision to come here.  I didn't want to go somewhere where everyone looked like they walked out of an Abercrombie or Bannana Republic ad, or where I would be looked down on for rolling into an 8:00am class on a Friday in sweats.

As for the general fashion scene on campus, the 80s seem to be back for the undergrads - complete with stirrup leggings under denim mini skirts.  That makes it fun to people-watch as you walk through the Diag (the central part of the UG campus), but its kind of a pain at the moment to find normal clothes at the mall. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on October 29, 2006, 01:33:59 PM
This thread is very, very cool and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Michigan lets me in.  Pretty much all of my questions were already asked by other people, but I admit that I'm a bit surprised (negatively) about the high cost of living in Ann Arbor.  I didn't see that one coming to be honest. 

Is there any information on the average debt load of Michigan graduates?  I looked around a little on the michigan website but didn't see anywhere that had that information.  If none of you know it offhand or anything, please don't worry about it, but it's something I'm a little curious about.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 29, 2006, 02:32:38 PM
This thread is very, very cool and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Michigan lets me in.  Pretty much all of my questions were already asked by other people, but I admit that I'm a bit surprised (negatively) about the high cost of living in Ann Arbor.  I didn't see that one coming to be honest. 

Is there any information on the average debt load of Michigan graduates?  I looked around a little on the michigan website but didn't see anywhere that had that information.  If none of you know it offhand or anything, please don't worry about it, but it's something I'm a little curious about.

I'm sure you'll think of more questions when the acceptances start rolling in. 

The average student indebtedness at U-M is $86,901.

To give that some context:

Chicago: $114,263
NYU: $111,850
Northwestern: $110,868
Penn: $101,757
Stanford: $100,687
Columbia: $98,066
Georgetown: $92,675
Harvard: $92,573
Duke: $90,903
Yale: $89,908
Michigan: $86,901
Virginia: $60,000
Boalt: $59,620


Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on October 29, 2006, 03:59:35 PM
Thank you for taking time to answer our questions.  I'm possibly interested in biglaw following law school.  From your research and experiences, how well do you think Mich places its graduates in biglaw?  How would this compare to a school like Boalt?  Also, what feature about Mich do you think makes it a better school than its peers (UVA, Boalt, Penn)?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 29, 2006, 06:01:10 PM
Thank you for taking time to answer our questions.  I'm possibly interested in biglaw following law school.  From your research and experiences, how well do you think Mich places its graduates in biglaw?  How would this compare to a school like Boalt?  Also, what feature about Mich do you think makes it a better school than its peers (UVA, Boalt, Penn)?  Thanks.

This is a very good question, and I want to do it justice.  First, however, I have to point out that the differences in biglaw placement at schools of this caliber isn't going to be significant.  Even the students toward the bottom of the class at these schools are going to have opportunites to work in big firms in populated cities, if they so desire.

I'm more than happy to concede that the top 6 schools fare noticably better in this area, and will limit the following discussion to comparing UM with Penn, Boalt, UVA, and Northwestern.  There are a couple of standard tools for measuring national biglaw placement in law schools.

The Sullivan study measures law school placement at several large firms within each region of the country, to get a good feel for the geographic range of a law school, in addition to the quality of its placement.  Here are the results of that study:

Virginia - 3rd
Michigan - 6
Penn - 9th (tie)
Boalt - 13th
Northwestern - 16th (tie)

The Ciolli study measures the prestige of biglaw placement (V100 or Am.Law 100).  It purports to measure both the depth of placement (how far into the class firms are willing to go) and the quality of placement (average firm rank of grads).  This study is skewed toward NY placement, since it is the major legal market in the country, and contains most of the firms in question.  The results:

Virginia - 5th
Michigan - 6th
Northwestern - 7th
Penn - 9th
Boalt - 11th

Additionally, one can always look at the number of firms who come to campus for OCI.  While I've included the ranking below based on sheer number, it might be a good idea to get more-concrete num bers and calculate the recruiter-per-capita measure.

Virginia (>700 firms)
Michigan (>600 firms)
Penn, Boalt (>500 firms)
Northwestern (>400 firms)

There is also some VERY incomplete data about 2L summer positions that has been gathered, but becuase CA & TX firms are so largely underrepresented, I don't think that anyone should put too much stock in it, especially if we're trying to give Boalt a fair shake.

By all accounts, UVA is better than Michigan at biglaw placement, either Penn or Northwestern follows, and Boalt is probably bringing up the rear. 

This is, however, a good time to repeat what I said earlier - the differences are pretty insignificant.  If you think you would be happiest at Boalt, you would not be committing career suicide to choose it over Michigan or UVA (or Chicago, or NYU for that matter).  Your particular outcome is going to be most strongly correlated with how well you do, which will largely depend on how happy you are, which will largely depend on how you fit in with the professors, the students, the city, and the school's overall culture.  I'm really enjoying my time here in Ann Arbor, and I don't think I would have had nearly this much fun somewhere else.


(Clearly, I'm dodging your second question, as I haven't been a student at other schools and this don't feel that I could comment on what makes it "better" in any sense that would be meaningful.  Visit each of these schools if you get into them and find the one that best suits your style.  All this statistical stuff is just hair-splitting.)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Cabra on October 29, 2006, 07:19:03 PM
Thanks so much for this thread! I've heard about Michigan Law's Program on Asylum and Refugee Law and I'm curious if you have an experience with it...know anything about it?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: mich2prof on October 29, 2006, 08:11:38 PM
Thanks to Vapid and all the others!!  My questions:

1) Anyone have experience with the Dual Degree programs?  Specifically the MA in World Politics.  What about pursuing JD/PhD in Political Science?

2) I am interested in teaching.  What are the prospects for that coming out of UMich?

TIA
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on October 30, 2006, 05:47:44 AM
Thanks so much for this thread! I've heard about Michigan Law's Program on Asylum and Refugee Law and I'm curious if you have an experience with it...know anything about it?

I know a number of people who are interested in this program.  I'll see if I can get some of them to come here and talk about it, since I know little-to-nothing about it.


Thanks to Vapid and all the others!!  My questions:

1) Anyone have experience with the Dual Degree programs?  Specifically the MA in World Politics.  What about pursuing JD/PhD in Political Science?

2) I am interested in teaching.  What are the prospects for that coming out of UMich?

TIA

1) Many Michigan students get dual degrees in a numer of fields.  One of the great things about Michigan is that it has a Top 10 graduate program in most disciplines (including a Top 5 Political Scieince program).  While some students apply for both programs at the same time, my impression is that many students apply for the secondary degree program toward the end of their first year.  The office of Student Services has already put on a Dual Degree lunch talk and a Dual Degree information session for people with questions.  They seem very accomodating.

2) Teaching law is one of the hardest jobs to come by.  Fortunately, Michigan is one of the best schools from which to make the attempt.  Unlike biglaw, the differences between top schools in this regard is staggerring (for example, roughly 1 out of every 8 law professors is a Yale grad).  There have been some recent rumblings about reforming the hiring process to place less emphasis on the name-value of one's degree, but few schools are currently willing to take the risk on someone without the usual credentials (T10 school, editorial position on a journal, elite federal clerkship).  Currently, there is a national trend toward hiring grads with joint JD/PhDs or JD/MAs.  I can't say whether this is due to the interest in inter-disciplinary studies, whether this is an attempt to select those with more research experience, or whether there are simply more students entering law school with a PhD or MA.  Here is the general breakdown for teaching placement (emphaising the success of placing students with a JD only, so as to isolate the name-value of the law degree):

1. Yale (far-and-away)
2. Harvard
3. Chicago/Stanford
5. Michgan/Columbia
7. Boalt/NYU/UVA
------------ <--Below this point, the numbers become too small to make meaningful distinctions.
10. Penn
10. Northwestern
10. Duke
10. Cornell
10. Georgetown
10. UCLA
10. Texas
10. Minnesota
------------ <--Below this point, it would be in your best interest to transfer up.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: mich2prof on October 30, 2006, 09:08:16 AM
Thanks for the info Vapid!

I'm curious, you've mentioned several presentations/programs put together by the administration to explain a variety of opportunities at UMich.  Do you know if they offer these same presentations during the summer, or do summer starters just wait until fall to get this information?

Any chance you or one of your colleagues can give us a run down of off campus housing neighborhoods.....if anything a hit list of where to check out when I do a campus visit.  Housing costs will play a decent role in my decision on where to attends and I want to get a good picture of the situation/options.

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on October 30, 2006, 09:16:49 AM
Thanks for the info Vapid!

I'm curious, you've mentioned several presentations/programs put together by the administration to explain a variety of opportunities at UMich.  Do you know if they offer these same presentations during the summer, or do summer starters just wait until fall to get this information?

Any chance you or one of your colleagues can give us a run down of off campus housing neighborhoods.....if anything a hit list of where to check out when I do a campus visit.  Housing costs will play a decent role in my decision on where to attends and I want to get a good picture of the situation/options.



Just wanted to jump in and say that I'll happily address this and a few older questions (haven't forgotten you, Zamora!) later on...can't make VU do all the work.  But for now I'm in Torts, so toodles.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Zam on October 30, 2006, 09:25:35 AM

Just wanted to jump in and say that I'll happily address this and a few older questions (haven't forgotten you, Zamora!) later on...can't make VU do all the work.  But for now I'm in Torts, so toodles.

Whenever you get around to it is fine, Jolie, I really appreciate it. I would be horrified at the lack of rigor at UMich if you guys could answer questions as soon as we asked them  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: xk on October 30, 2006, 09:36:25 AM
1. How big are most of your classes?  Is Michigan's student-faculty ratio (17:1) a barrier to getting to know your professors? 

2. Are there any annoying construction projects going on now?  Are there any being planned for the near future? 

3. Do professors grade on a strict curve?  Are students ranked? 

Many thanks again!

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: oldskool on October 30, 2006, 09:39:19 AM
Did you go to Michigan on a visit and see how the atmosphere was during finals? I know this is your first year but do the student's there usually seem stressed or are most people relaxed. Also, how is the cultural life in Ann Arbor and if you had to choose between UPenn and Michigan, would you say that Michigan wins out and why?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on October 30, 2006, 05:59:18 PM
Thank you for such a detailed answer concerning biglaw placement.  I'm interested in practicing in Colorado following law school.  Do you know how Mich places in this region or how peer schools do in this region?  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on October 30, 2006, 08:54:40 PM
Any chance you or one of your colleagues can give us a run down of off campus housing neighborhoods.....if anything a hit list of where to check out when I do a campus visit.  Housing costs will play a decent role in my decision on where to attends and I want to get a good picture of the situation/options.



One way to look at off campus housing is to go to www.housing.umich.edu (I realize this isn't "describing" anything, but it will give you a good idea of listings and will show the neighborhoods in a way that I cannot)
Click under off campus housing
then click under "search by neighborhood"
A map of Ann Arbor pops up with neighborhoods numbered and in different colors. If you click each neighborhood it gives a nice description of each area and then gives current listings.
The housing market in Ann Arbor is diverse. There are really nice places and really junky places merely houses away from each other. A lot of law students tend to populate the area just south of the law school, around Packard, Hill, Oakland, it's very convenient to school and very student-type oriented (cheap eats and liquor and pizza and such). There are some frats located around this area also, so it is busy on the weekend evenings. Some students live just to the west of the central campus area, 4th or 5th street, William, Division, this area seems pretty nice and very close also. Others live to the north, Kerrytown, which is a fun part of Ann Arbor, where Zingerman's is and the fabulous Kerrytown Farmer's Market. But you have a longer walk to school, maybe 15 or 20 minutes, but more grad students and not as fratty. Other people I know live on the Old West Side. Anywawy, try to check out the housing site, it's how I found my housing and it will give you a good idea of what to expect.
The housing off-campus really seems to be a mixed bag. I live alone and pay $770 for a 1BR in a renovated old house. It is nice, with hardwood floors and my own screened in porch. Heat and hot water are also paid for, and I have a parking space, which is a huge commodity. It's the most I've ever paid to live anywhere, but I figured I wanted to be happy and comfortable, especially my first year, and for the most part, I am. I know many other people who are paying much less, but have unhappier housing situations. They are dealing with immature roommates, or people who have misrepresented themselves, or are just finding they don't really have the inclination to share or schedule bathroom/kitchen/quiet times with others. It seems to me, to get something quality in Ann Arbor, you are going to pay for it, and you should be willing to pay for it. If it's cheap, then check it out, but beware.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on October 30, 2006, 08:55:33 PM
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1. How big are most of your classes?  Is Michigan's student-faculty ratio (17:1) a barrier to getting to know your professors?

2. Are there any annoying construction projects going on now?  Are there any being planned for the near future?

3. Do professors grade on a strict curve?  Are students ranked? 

I've been feeling like a bum for not contributing to this thread, but since I think I can actually answer these questions, I'll throw in my two cents:

1. 1L classes are significantly larger than 17:1. 5 of your six required 1L courses are around 96 students, 1 of your six is about 48, and your Legal Writing/Research class is around 24. Even so, I don't think that those numbers are a barrier at all. The administration here has emphasized repeatedly that our professors' doors are almost always open. I haven't summoned up the courage to go talk to any of mine so far, but my friends have and have had good experiences in general. The professors here are willing to help, should we have questions, and they also seem like they want to get to know us (at least mine do.)

2. They just finished construction on the public policy school next door. There's some construction going on inside the law school, but I haven't found it to be too intrusive or annoying yet. It doesn't seem like the type of thing to take more than a year, anyway. I think they're just renovating some classrooms. There's also construction in the library on the third lower level but, again, I haven't even noticed it. (I only know of it because I've seen signs.) What is annoying are the frat houses across the street that throw loud parties. That's much worse when you're in class than any construction could be. (But that's only happened twice that I can remember during class. And it's also somewhat excusable because the class I was in goes until 5:40.)

3. There is a curve, which is adhered to fairly well. The curve is around 3.19. (Thanks nextstep!)  Students are ranked, but the rankings are not released until after graduation. They are also not given to employers at OCI until after the first round of interviews (again, correct me if I'm wrong, guys. I could be totally off.)


So hopefully those are the right answers to the questions. I'd also like to add some comments to the above discussion about my overall happiness here. Someone asked a few pages ago if there was an overall sense of cheer and goodwill here (or something. Too lazy to look it up.)  I'd have to say that that's true (at least among my circle of friends). Michigan has the stereotype of being "friendly," "collegial," etc. and I think that's a very accurate description of things here. Everybody seems happy to be here and generally pleased with things.

I, for one, couldn't imagine being anywhere else. I'm often overwhelmed by how wonderful things are here and wish that I could just give the whole Law School a hug. Sounds silly, but I'm really in love with the place. It's a great place to learn and I'm surrounded by the most fantastic, brilliant minds I've ever met (professors as well as students.) I really encourage all of you who are thinking of applying to do just that. And if you're lucky enough to get accepted, come visit!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on October 30, 2006, 08:58:20 PM
Oh my goodness, how funny we both just posted...
Now all we need is Vapid, Luxor, and defeatist to jump in here.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on October 31, 2006, 04:23:21 AM
Soonertbone asked to be corrected, so I will.  I believe the curve is to 3.19 with a .04 range allowed (more allowed for smaller classes than larger).  There's some discussion about whether to allow more pass/fail (like at all during 1L) and whether to go to more decimal places so people can distinguish themselves.  It's unclear where we'll be headed in the next few years though I suspect it'll stay the same rather than change since the two trends run opposed to each other. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 01, 2006, 08:01:49 PM
Soonertbone asked to be corrected, so I will.  I believe the curve is to 3.19 with a .04 range allowed (more allowed for smaller classes than larger).  There's some discussion about whether to allow more pass/fail (like at all during 1L) and whether to go to more decimal places so people can distinguish themselves.  It's unclear where we'll be headed in the next few years though I suspect it'll stay the same rather than change since the two trends run opposed to each other. 

Although thenextstep (who undoubtedly knows more about statistics than I) assures me that our current curve is pretty normal, here are a few things that make me feel good inside:

80% of students in each class will get a B or better.
55% of students in each class will get a B+ or better.
25% of students in each class will get an A- or better.
To graduate Cum Laude, one needs only a 3.4 cumulative GPA.

The faculty also have reasonable flexibility in assigning grades (the numbers above are just the target percentages).


Did you go to Michigan on a visit and see how the atmosphere was during finals? I know this is your first year but do the student's there usually seem stressed or are most people relaxed. Also, how is the cultural life in Ann Arbor and if you had to choose between UPenn and Michigan, would you say that Michigan wins out and why?

1. I didn't get to see the school during finals.  I came in late March, so there was still a month to go.  At that point, no one seemed worried (in fact, most of the current students I met didn't talk much about class at all).

2. I don't know too many 2Ls, so I can't speak to their stress levels at the moment, but most of my classmates seem far-from-stressed.  The beginning of the semester was the worst, becuase we didn't know what to expect from the professors or from each other.  The first two weeks was just a jumble of misdirected energy.  By now, everyone has figured out the style that works for them and we have collectively relaxed.  The time in between classes is usually spent casually joking and chatting with friends (or, in my case, in vigorous debate over a topic I have no chance to win).  People actually seem much happier and well-adjusted than I would have expected given all those first-year horror stories.

3. Ann Arbor is not only a great college town, but is, in many ways, the cultural center of the state.  A lot goes on here - concerts, plays, independant theater, art fairs, comedy clubs, etc.  If you are into politics, there are speakers, rallies, and organizations galore.  It is also a short distance from Detroit, so anything that is only available in large cities can be had without any great difficulty.

4. I guess I should address this question, since I chose Michigan over Penn, but it will have to wait until later; I'm going to go watch TV.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 03, 2006, 01:21:25 PM
...if you had to choose between UPenn and Michigan, would you say that Michigan wins out and why?

Michigan is better than Penn in almost every quantifiable measure of post-JD success.  To make this point, I could direct you to a number of studies and statistics on firm placement, firm quality, clerkship rates, clerkship quality, academic appointments, etc.  But I won't.  It doesn't matter.  At this stage in the process, too many applicants get obsessed with rankings, stats, & studies.  They start pointless threads comparing BC with BU or Michigan with Penn, and then eagerly await the advice of other applicants who are in no position to be giving advice in the first place. 

A law school is more than the name on your degree.  It is a community of people - adminstrators, teachers, students - bound within the walls of a building of brick, stone, steel, glass, or wood.  It exists within the larger community of a university, and the larger-still community of a city or town.  And each of the numbers that applicants sit and obsess over represent the conscious choices of people within the context of their respective communities.  They are students choosing places or types of employment, adminstrators admitting students or hiring faculty, and faculty producing scholarship and teaching students.  Law school is real, and the decision to attend one shouldn't come down to the grand sum of the choices made by other people for disparate reasons years ago.

Michigan and Penn are both amazing schools, but they are also very different.  For those of us who are fortunate enough to choose between them - and make no mistake, the opportunites available at either of these schools is more than any of us can rightly claim to deserve; we are but lucky - the decision shoud be informed by more than decimal places in a magazine.  Visit both.  Meet the students, the staff, and the professors.  Wander the streets of the town.  Think about where you would live, and how you would get around, and where you would get around to.  Think hard about what drives you and inspires you, and whether the school you are looking at provides it.  Law school is a difficult, uncomfortable, and ultimately transformative time in the lives of most students.  Think about what will get you out of bed in the morning - the frenetic energy of the city streets, or the serene snowfall on a gothic castle? 

I am still a strong believer that there is a big difference between the opportunities available at elite schools and those available at lower-ranked schools.  But at some point, your happiness is much more important to your individual success than is the reputation of the name on your diploma.  By the time you get to debating the objective merits of Penn and Michigan, you are well past that point.  I chose Michigan because I felt that I belong here, and that decision continuues to reward me.  When the time comes, I hope you make your own decision for the right reasons.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on November 05, 2006, 04:24:18 PM
I wouldn't go to Boalt even with a full ride and stipend, so from me at least, the answer is "no."
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: LT_Eagels_1 on November 05, 2006, 04:40:41 PM
Where do most Michs end up going after graduation? NY, Washington, Boston?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 05, 2006, 08:06:05 PM
Where do most Michs end up going after graduation? NY, Washington, Boston?

Michigan grads are probably the most geographically-dispersed of any school in the country.  It's not just that graduates can go anywhere, it's that we have lots of grads everywhere. 


Here's where the class of 2005 went by region:

Northeast (inc. NYC, Boston, & Philly): 26%
Midwest (inc. Chicago, excl. MI): 22%
South Atlantic (inc. DC, Atlanta, & FL): 18%
Michigan: 14%
West Coast: 13%
Southwest & Mountain: 7%


Here are the top 5 states for 2005 grads (number of grads in parentheses):

New York: 64
Illinois: 54
Michigan: 46
Wash. DC: 37
California: 33


Here are the top 10 major cities (in order) for grads over the last three years:

Chicago
NYC
DC
Detroit
LA
SF
Boston
Atlanta
Dallas
Seattle


Thank's for all the kind comments, everyone.  In response to the semi-rhetorical question posed by the inner annoying clown, people like Jolie and I chose Michigan over peer schools in part becuase of the atmosphere created by the staff and the students before us.  It's a form of self-selection, and I think it bodes well that the next generation of 1Ls has a similar appreciation for that kind atmosphere. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on November 06, 2006, 08:39:12 AM
I wouldn't go to Boalt even with a full ride and stipend, so from me at least, the answer is "no."

Okay, you've peaked my interest. Why not? What have you got against Boalt? As an applicant to Boalt this cycle, is there anything I should know? Heh.

And, it does seem like a lot of the "cool kids" on LSD go to Mich. But it just seems like everyone I know that goes there seems extremely happy and is all to eager to sing the school's praises.

Oh no, don't get worried about Boalt.  It's a great academic institution and I would encourage all who have interests in going there to give themselves every opportunity to do so.  For reasons that are unimportant beyond my personal interests, I am less than interested.  All that you should know is that Boalt is an excellent institution and that you're interested ;D

To offset the near-hijacking of the thread, let me ask a quick question.  I plan on visiting Michigan at my earliest opportunity -- provided I'm not rejected before said convenience arrives -- and am curious as to what 1Ls would recommend as mandatory experiences/questions/events/etc. one should pursue on a visit.  Was there anything any of you, upon arriving for attendance, realized that you wished you had noticed or paid attention to earlier?

I guess what I'm asking for is a list of things/places most recommended to help a potential student get an accurate and full Michigan experience with emphasis on things beyond the beaten path.  On a non-law angle, I've been told by someone familiar with the area that I've got to try Zingerman's while I'm there, so I'm open to those types of suggestions too (entertainment/food/etc.).  Thanks.

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on November 06, 2006, 03:45:45 PM
I should be working on a memo right now but I had to hop in here and verify that, yes, Michigan is sweet.  If you get in, visit, check out the atmosphere and compare it to other schools you have seen.  That is what I did and it helped me solidify my initial feeling that Mich was the place for me, despite some very enticing offers from other schools.  I don't regret it.  I love it here - the hockey, football, people, profs, classes, parties all just rock!!  OK, back to work for me  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 06, 2006, 04:10:44 PM
I should be working on a memo right now but I had to hop in here and verify that, yes, Michigan is sweet.  If you get in, visit, check out the atmosphere and compare it to other schools you have seen.  That is what I did and it helped me solidify my initial feeling that Mich was the place for me, despite some very enticing offers from other schools.  I don't regret it.  I love it here - the hockey, football, people, profs, classes, parties all just rock!!  OK, back to work for me  ;D

I'm also in it up to my elbows and can't justify being in here, but I have to ask:  Sweeny, are you who I think you are?  The mentions of hockey and football and the use of the phrase "all rock!!" lead me to believe that you're a certain friend and sectionmate of mine, but...hmm. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 06, 2006, 05:07:02 PM
To offset the near-hijacking of the thread, let me ask a quick question.  I plan on visiting Michigan at my earliest opportunity -- provided I'm not rejected before said convenience arrives -- and am curious as to what 1Ls would recommend as mandatory experiences/questions/events/etc. one should pursue on a visit.  Was there anything any of you, upon arriving for attendance, realized that you wished you had noticed or paid attention to earlier?

I guess what I'm asking for is a list of things/places most recommended to help a potential student get an accurate and full Michigan experience with emphasis on things beyond the beaten path.  On a non-law angle, I've been told by someone familiar with the area that I've got to try Zingerman's while I'm there, so I'm open to those types of suggestions too (entertainment/food/etc.).  Thanks.

Just let us know when you're comming and what your interests are (PM would be easiest).  We'll try to match you up with some current students who can show you around.  It'll be way more informative than exploring on your own, and you'll probably be more relaxed than if you had an offical guide from the admissions office.  The same goes for anyone in this thread. 

Oh, but Zingerman's is must no matter what your interests are.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on November 06, 2006, 05:33:25 PM
Man, I still haven't been to Zingermann's...  Vapid, we need to go there for lunch someday.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 06, 2006, 05:37:39 PM
I haven't either.  I don't care how good it is - I'm not paying $30 for a freaking sandwich.  (that's hyperbole, but only slight.)  I'll have to live vicariously through you gents until the law firms start plying us with deli love at OCI. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 06, 2006, 06:31:37 PM
I haven't either.  I don't care how good it is - I'm not paying $30 for a freaking sandwich.  (that's hyperbole, but only slight.)  I'll have to live vicariously through you gents until the law firms start plying us with deli love at OCI. 

pffft.  It's barely $15, and one sandwih is big enough for two.  I'll buy you one just to make you try it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 06, 2006, 10:12:21 PM
I should be working on a memo right now but I had to hop in here and verify that, yes, Michigan is sweet.  If you get in, visit, check out the atmosphere and compare it to other schools you have seen.  That is what I did and it helped me solidify my initial feeling that Mich was the place for me, despite some very enticing offers from other schools.  I don't regret it.  I love it here - the hockey, football, people, profs, classes, parties all just rock!!  OK, back to work for me  ;D

I'm also in it up to my elbows and can't justify being in here, but I have to ask:  Sweeny, are you who I think you are?  The mentions of hockey and football and the use of the phrase "all rock!!" lead me to believe that you're a certain friend and sectionmate of mine, but...hmm. 

Why oh why am I in this thread also, when I have to wake up in 5 hours to go volunteer at the polls all day (but I do get to miss class with an excused absence), and my day was a complete and utter waste of productivity...although very fun...

Jolie, sweeny is exactly who you think he is and I love him!!! Oh, and to the poster coming to visit, I highly suggest a Michigan hockey game if you will be here on the weekend when they are playing. Nothing like the rocking Yost on a Friday or Saturday night. It is the best (waaaay better than football)!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 11, 2006, 08:22:18 AM
It's the weekend again.  Ask away.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Base1548 on November 11, 2006, 09:53:52 AM
I am not sure if you can speak to this but do Summer Starters tend to have a higher debt load upon graduation since they can only secure so much in federal loans a year?

My reasoning is that since they attend three semesters in one year the federal loan limit of 18,500 covers a smaller share of the cost during the first year and forces them to take out more private loans, which in turn leads them to accure more interest over the next three semesters of school. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on November 11, 2006, 09:56:11 AM
Any idea about the career prospects for the students who didnt graduate near the top of the class?  I assume they still must be pretty good.  Also, how is your quality of life?  Obivously LS is a busy time, but do you have time to go out and enjoy the hockey games and bars on week nights?  I remember you saying that you went to the football games...Gotta be excited about next week and the Buckeyes!
Thanks for your time....
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 11, 2006, 12:42:16 PM
I am not sure if you can speak to this but do Summer Starters tend to have a higher debt load upon graduation since they can only secure so much in federal loans a year?

My reasoning is that since they attend three semesters in one year the federal loan limit of 18,500 covers a smaller share of the cost during the first year and forces them to take out more private loans, which in turn leads them to accure more interest over the next three semesters of school. 

That's an interesting thought.  I don't know the answer, but I'll try to find out for you.


Any idea about the career prospects for the students who didnt graduate near the top of the class?  I assume they still must be pretty good.  Also, how is your quality of life?  Obivously LS is a busy time, but do you have time to go out and enjoy the hockey games and bars on week nights?  I remember you saying that you went to the football games...Gotta be excited about next week and the Buckeyes!
Thanks for your time....

First, note that Michigan doesn't rank its students until after graduation, so no one really knows where in the class they are.  Also, they have an interesting curve that tends to group most of the average/below-average students together (there is a more-detailed post on this earlier in the thread).

I know that generally 50-60% of the students taking firm jobs place in the V100.  If you're median or better, you're money. 
Further down the scale, I know several students who had around a 3.0 GPA (~ bottom 1/3) and worked biglaw in popular cities without much problem. 
Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who has admittted to being in the bottom 10-15%, so I don't know what their job prospects look like.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 11, 2006, 10:10:20 PM
I just realized that I overlooked the quality of life question of the last poster.  My apologies.  I'll get to that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 12, 2006, 07:47:40 AM
How is the gym?

There are three gyms on campus, and I've now officially been to two of them, so I can finally answer this question.  The gym closest to the law school is mainly used by graduate students.  It's nothing to look at, but it is huge, with lots of offerings.  I have heard rumors that at certain times it can get busy, but that is hard for me to imagine since it is much larger than the gym at my last school, and mostly devoid of UGs.  The next closest gym is the one I haven't been to.  It is still on central campus, and is rumored to be much prettier than its counterparts.  However, it is also rumored to be a favorite hang-out of the UGs, so I imagine it can be crowded.  The third, and final, gym is on North Campus.  It is both ugly and cramped, but since it serves a very small community, it is never crowded.  It provides lots of diverse equipment, but has chosen to stuff most of it into racketball courts, creating rooms that are alternately ridiculously stuffy (where the popular equipment resides) or completely isolating. 


Also, how is your quality of life?  Obivously LS is a busy time, but do you have time to go out and enjoy the hockey games and bars on week nights?  I remember you saying that you went to the football games...Gotta be excited about next week and the Buckeyes!
Thanks for your time....

The amount of free time you have will be entirely dependant on three factors: (1) your legal practice assignment, (2) the time of year (how near finals), and (3) how much you value free time.  The minumum amount of time that you should be putting in for your three doctrinal courses, in my opinion, is 4 hours per day, 7 days a week.  That leaves a lot of free time.  However, your Legal Practice work for the week can vary from 15 minutes of reading, to 10 hours of research.  Luckily, it is a pass/fail class, so most students allocate time to it accordingly.  Also, as finals near, students start taking old exams, outlining, meeting with tutors, meeting with study groups, re-reading chapters they forgot, etc.  So that's a major time-sink.  Now recall back to where I said that 28 hours per week was the minimum.  Some students prefer to study more than that, or need to study more than that.  If you value free time greatly, you'll find a way to get your work done. 

I posted a copy of my general schedule in this thread earlier, complete with a list of social activites.  I don't want to go through the trouble of finding it or re-typing it, but rest assured that there is plenty of time in the week to catch a hockey game, hit a bar, go see a movie, and relax with friends (all in the same week).  You just have to be good at scheduling things in advance.

Also, don't be fooled by the people who tell you that they are going to treat law school as a 9 to 5 job - that's not really reasoanble.  Most students' class schedules span 7-8 hours.  In between classes, student groups and adminsitrators host speakers and/or meetings.  You'll talk to your friends.  Yu'll walk down to Starbucks for a quick pick-me-up.  You complain about your legal practice professor.  You'll grab some lunch.  You'll be lucky if you get in 1-2 hours of solid work.  If you commit yourself to doing work at home in the evenings during the week, you'll be able to enjoy your time at school more (you won't be stressed about the lack of productivity) and you'll free up your weekends for more fun. 


PISH, I would go to Michigan but there are too many LSDers there.  We'd be like... dude can you PM me your outline lol lol lol.

Actually, having the LSD group here has been really amazing.  Becuase we are randomly divided into sections, I now have friends outside of the people I see every day.  I have people I can go to to complain about my classmates, or my workload, or my grades, without creating the awkwardness that tends to accompany discussing those things with classmates.  Also, they tend to keep me really grounded, becuase they weren't caught off-guard by the difficulties of law school.  I believe that they came in better-informed and better-prepared, so they're not freaking out about the workload, or about the looming final exams. 

And having someone willing to PM you Torts notes is a VERY good thing.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 12, 2006, 04:17:07 PM
Ha ha, Vapid, I will never forget our very first IRL meeting where the Dean was there and we had to explain how we "knew each other" previously...talk about awkward!

Anyway, I have been to the gym that most of the undergrads use, CCRB, Central Campus Recreation Building. I use it 4-5 days a week and haven't had too much trouble with it being overly crowded (like not being able to get on a machine or use the weights you want). The gym by the law school, the IM Building, is kind of old school, and the CCRB is a 1970s ugly brick building, but very nice on the inside. There is a suspended track with 3 lanes, many basketball/volleyball/badminton courts below that and some elliptical equipment. On the floor below that are the locker rooms, the free weights room, the Nautilus room, more ellipticals, and on the ground floor there is a huge room with treadmills, more ellipticals, bikes, and erg machines, along with squash/racquetball courts. The CCRB also has an outside track with a field in the middle where people play ultimate, outdoor basketball courts, and tennis courts. The pool at CCRB I don't think is as big as the one at IM, but there are large locker rooms near the pools also. The CCRB also has many classrooms and studios as well.

It's funny, the LSD group here is a pretty tight little group. We "met" here but actually like each other, hang out, and get along in real life too. It's all for real, not just some ploy to show everyone how fun and cool Michigan is (although that's true too).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: bass on November 12, 2006, 07:21:51 PM
The minumum amount of time that you should be putting in for your three doctrinal courses, in my opinion, is 4 hours per day, 7 days a week. 

*&^%, Vapid, I'm in trouble...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 12, 2006, 07:52:39 PM
The minumum amount of time that you should be putting in for your three doctrinal courses, in my opinion, is 4 hours per day, 7 days a week. 

sh*t, Vapid, I'm in trouble...

Wait, please tell me that 4 hours per day includes class time??

No, it doesn't include classes, but I just wanted to point out that this was merely my opinion.  Students here don't really talk about studying much, so I don't have any idea how hard others are working. 

Here's my thinking: 3 classes, each 4 days per week.  Just the reading/highliting for each class is around 12 hours per week.  Add 30 minutes or so of note-taking before classes, 30 minutes after class to condense your notes into an outline form, and you've got another 12 hours or so.  If you have a tutor or study group, you can easily add another 2-3 hours.  On top of that, you need to set aside some time for practice exams, plus whatever Legal Practice throws at you.  I'm sure some people have been getting by with less than 28 hours, but they've either backloaded their work and will be sprinting at the end, or they're just WAY more efficient than I.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: bass on November 12, 2006, 08:00:20 PM
 I think I've just been lazy.  :-[

I'm not on top of the semester, I certainly don't have up to date (or close) outlines.  Oddly, I feel as if I'm in fine shape.  Maybe it's just because we have a ridiculous break before exams.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 12, 2006, 08:12:32 PM
I think I've just been lazy.  :-[

I'm not on top of the semester, I certainly don't have up to date (or close) outlines.  Oddly, I feel as if I'm in fine shape.  Maybe it's just because we have a ridiculous break before exams.

Don't sweat it, bass.  If you're feeling fine, you're probably on top of things.  Maybe this would be a good time for some other UM LSDers to jump in and confirm that I'm just a little on the anal side.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 12, 2006, 08:35:35 PM
I think I've just been lazy.  :-[

I'm not on top of the semester, I certainly don't have up to date (or close) outlines.  Oddly, I feel as if I'm in fine shape.  Maybe it's just because we have a ridiculous break before exams.

Don't sweat it, bass.  If you're feeling fine, you're probably on top of things.  Maybe this would be a good time for some other UM LSDers to jump in and confirm that I'm just a little on the anal side.

Haha - I would jump in here to reassure everyone that there's more than one way to skin the proverbial cat...but I'm busy writing my open memo (which is due tomorrow.)

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: bass on November 12, 2006, 08:42:39 PM
I think I've just been lazy.  :-[

I'm not on top of the semester, I certainly don't have up to date (or close) outlines.  Oddly, I feel as if I'm in fine shape.  Maybe it's just because we have a ridiculous break before exams.

Don't sweat it, bass.  If you're feeling fine, you're probably on top of things.  Maybe this would be a good time for some other UM LSDers to jump in and confirm that I'm just a little on the anal side.

Haha - I would jump in here to reassure everyone that there's more than one way to skin the proverbial cat...but I'm busy writing my open memo (which is due tomorrow.)



To be honest, LRW is hurting me this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 12, 2006, 08:49:25 PM
I think I've just been lazy.  :-[

I'm not on top of the semester, I certainly don't have up to date (or close) outlines.  Oddly, I feel as if I'm in fine shape.  Maybe it's just because we have a ridiculous break before exams.

Don't sweat it, bass.  If you're feeling fine, you're probably on top of things.  Maybe this would be a good time for some other UM LSDers to jump in and confirm that I'm just a little on the anal side.

Haha - I would jump in here to reassure everyone that there's more than one way to skin the proverbial cat...but I'm busy writing my open memo (which is due tomorrow.)



To be honest, LRW is hurting me this weekend.

My 30th birthday is hurting me this weekend.  Or rather, the attendant hangover is.  The birthday itself was grand.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 12, 2006, 10:29:39 PM
I think I've just been lazy.  :-[

I'm not on top of the semester, I certainly don't have up to date (or close) outlines.  Oddly, I feel as if I'm in fine shape.  Maybe it's just because we have a ridiculous break before exams.

Don't sweat it, bass.  If you're feeling fine, you're probably on top of things.  Maybe this would be a good time for some other UM LSDers to jump in and confirm that I'm just a little on the anal side.

Haha - I would jump in here to reassure everyone that there's more than one way to skin the proverbial cat...but I'm busy writing my open memo (which is due tomorrow.)



To be honest, LRW is hurting me this weekend.

My 30th birthday is hurting me this weekend.  Or rather, the attendant hangover is.  The birthday itself was grand.

Hell yeah, it was!!!  :-*

I don't think I can speak too much about the whole class preparation/workload thing. I definitely don't do as much as some others do (apparently looking at Vapid). But I don't feel unprepared for class. I read for each class and do margin notes. I don't use my laptop in class anymore. I take notes by hand and then type them into OneNote at the end of the week. I used to be an anal highlighter/case briefer until about 3 weeks ago when I realized it was all kind of unnecessary and really just adding to my stress and unhappiness. I had a lightbulb moment a few weeks ago in CivPro when I couldn't plug my laptop in, got called on for 4 questions in a row, and was more "on" and engaged and excited than I'd ever been. So now I don't use the laptop in class. And I spend more time talking about the cases and legal issues than taking notes on them on my own. Who knows if any of this is going to help or not.

As for the meeting with the Dean, Vapid and I kind of sidestepped the issue and blamed the whole thing on facebook rather than lsd. But then he used that anecdote in his speech later that night at our dinner.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on November 13, 2006, 05:29:53 AM
I think Vapid works more hours than the rest of us Michigan LSDers on average, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's working more/less.  A great deal of how much time you spend working is reading speed from what I can tell.  Some people read quickly and feel they spot what they need and others prefer to be more diligent and detailed.  While I love Michigan there are lots of things about law school that I find less than appealing, and reading for contracts is high on that list.  So anyway, I tend to try to read as fast as possible.  That being said, I'm more likely to be behind than some because I also just procrastinate often.  I think Vapid's estimation of work time might be high, but not very high.  I just don't always get it all done.  Other people spend WAY more time than Vapid alluded to, just so y'all know.  Oh, and I also don't use a laptop in class, never did and love it.  In my section there is only one other person not using a laptop.  I think I can pay attention better without typing so much, and I like leaving my computer at home sometimes.  Anyway, this week I'll hunker down for my open memo and the start of the moot court problem I'm doing.  So it comes and goes I suppose.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: chicagored on November 13, 2006, 09:20:11 AM
Glass half full, you mentioned you read GTM over the summer. What is that?

In general, are there particular books anyone could recommend for 1L prep? Turow's 1L mentions "hornbooks". Do people still read and use these? Would Levi's An Introduction to Legal Reasoning or Cardozo's The Nature of the Judicial Process be important reads to work through before first year classes begin?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ScoopNY on November 13, 2006, 09:34:33 PM
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It's funny, the LSD group here is a pretty tight little group. We "met" here but actually like each other, hang out, and get along in real life too. It's all for real, not just some ploy to show everyone how fun and cool Michigan is (although that's true too).

That's so not true smiley and I are sworn enemies!  ;D *Waves at Smiley*

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I deferred last year, so I will be starting Mich in the summer, and I know that Law Quad housing is unavailable during the summer months.  Can I find temporary housing for the summer and then move into the Law Quad once the Fall term begins? Also, how did previous summers find roommates? No joke, I get antsy thinking about how I'm going to be all alone next summer -- sheesh

Summer starters can usually get a sweet sublet deal from other law students who are going away for their summer jobs and need to rent out their places. Because of oversupply they have to discount their rent to entice people to take the apartments. There is a law school classified listing to find places. And yes a number of the summer starters moved into the Lawyer's Club.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on November 14, 2006, 11:35:50 AM
I read that about 1/3 of the incoming class at Michigan is age 25 or above. Have you noticed that there are more older students at Michigan, or do you think that the age range is pretty standard? Jolie, you recently turned 30, how do you feel age-wise at Michigan compared to the other students? Do you think that Michigan values work/life experience moreso than some other t14s? Thanks!

NU values work life experience more than the other T14s
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on November 14, 2006, 12:30:09 PM
I read that about 1/3 of the incoming class at Michigan is age 25 or above. Have you noticed that there are more older students at Michigan, or do you think that the age range is pretty standard? Jolie, you recently turned 30, how do you feel age-wise at Michigan compared to the other students? Do you think that Michigan values work/life experience moreso than some other t14s? Thanks!

NU values work life experience more than the other T14s

You mean MU, right?  If so... very cool.  I'd love to go to Michigan, and I have good work/life experience.  I'll be 29 next fall.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 14, 2006, 12:42:05 PM
By NU I think Steve meant Northwestern - and it's true that they put a tremendous emphasis on work experience. 

But I was pleasantly surprised at the mix here.  First of all, there're a lot of us Old People...not to call anyone out, but Smiley, ScoopNY and defeatist (to name a few) are all with me at the higher end of the age range.  There are also plenty of non-trad people who aren't Old per se - look at VU and thenextstep and soonertbone, who are more in the traditional age range, but are completely domesticated.  And as I've said before, the best factor is that age is just not a big deal here (although that may be because no one knew how old I was until recently.  I'll keep you posted.  :D) 

As for admissions...if you're straight from the womb and have the right combination of numbers and soft factors, you're getting in.   But I think that Dean Zearfoss is committed to assembling a diverse, sophisticated class with the right Michigan feel.  She's good at it, too.  Interesting work and life experience will definitely be noticed and can only help in admissions...I offer myself as Exhibit A.  Ain't no way I was getting in on pure numbers. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Zam on November 14, 2006, 12:47:50 PM

As for admissions...if you're straight from the womb and have the right combination of numbers and soft factors, you're getting in.   But I think that Dean Zearfoss is committed to assembling a diverse, sophisticated class with the right Michigan feel.  She's good at it, too.  Interesting work and life experience will definitely be noticed and can only help in admissions...I offer myself as Exhibit A.  Ain't no way I was getting in on pure numbers. ;)

Plus, according to her fee waiver letter, she loves me!  That's right!   :D

Well, she would love for me to apply, which I did, so I hope she really appreciates that, because I would love to get in.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Zam on November 14, 2006, 01:03:11 PM
Plus, according to her fee waiver letter, she loves me!  That's right!   :D

Well, she would love for me to apply, which I did, so I hope she really appreciates that, because I would love to get in.

YEAH!  I would love to get in too!

It is one big love fest over here.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Zam on November 14, 2006, 01:22:52 PM
Plus, according to her fee waiver letter, she loves me!  That's right!   :D

Well, she would love for me to apply, which I did, so I hope she really appreciates that, because I would love to get in.

YEAH!  I would love to get in too!

It is one big love fest over here.

I didn't get any love from Dean Zarfoss... :'(

I invite you into our circle of love.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on November 14, 2006, 01:26:28 PM
I think love is nice, but the apparently handwritten note was more meaningful to me.  I value little gestures like that a great deal and I love that Michigan takes the time to offer them even to those who might not apply.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 14, 2006, 04:33:38 PM
I can't talk, I've got a memo to write, but I just wantd to give a big congratulations to those of you who will be recieving your Michigan acceptances this week.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 14, 2006, 04:38:32 PM
I can't talk, I've got a memo to write, but I just wantd to give a big congratulations to those of you who will be recieving your Michigan acceptances this week.

Don't jinx us, Vapid!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on November 14, 2006, 04:49:54 PM
I have a couple od questions:

I have heard that the school is very liberal, is this true and does it apply to the law school?
I don't really like sports, does this matter? (I know sometimes it did at ND, but people got over it)
What does UM think about the fact that they got third in Mich for bar passage rates, is there talk about this?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: nerfco on November 14, 2006, 05:25:41 PM
Wait, you folks got hand-written notes from the dean with your fee waivers? This really makes me wish my LSAC address had been current when schools sent out their mailings, I would have loved to get such things. :(
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 14, 2006, 05:28:18 PM
Plus, according to her fee waiver letter, she loves me!  That's right!   :D

Well, she would love for me to apply, which I did, so I hope she really appreciates that, because I would love to get in.

YEAH!  I would love to get in too!

It is one big love fest over here.

I didn't get any love from Dean Zarfoss... :'(

That may be because you spelled her name wrong.   :P

Wait, you folks got hand-written notes from the dean with your fee waivers? This really makes me wish my LSAC address had been current when schools sent out their mailings, I would have loved to get such things. :(

Don't feel bad - they didn't have the right mailing address for me when I got accepted, so to this day I haven't received my handwritten acceptance note.  Talk about making me paranoid pre-orientation!  I had no proof that they REALLY planned to take me.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 14, 2006, 05:40:08 PM
silly me for doubting you...always the strategist.

Don't mean to jinx anyone, but looking forward to congratulating the first of the new crop!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on November 14, 2006, 05:42:14 PM
Wait, you folks got hand-written notes from the dean with your fee waivers? This really makes me wish my LSAC address had been current when schools sent out their mailings, I would have loved to get such things. :(

You could give it to a handwriting analyst and divine from that what exactly the dean is looking for.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 14, 2006, 05:43:57 PM
silly me for doubting you...always the strategist.

Don't mean to jinx anyone, but looking forward to congratulating the first of the new crop!

I hope I hope!  At the LA Forum, I was telling the rep about how students at Mich LOVE the school and are the best PR people in the world.  I was talking about you guys!  You have made Michigan rise to the top of my list of schools of interest.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 14, 2006, 05:50:37 PM
silly me for doubting you...always the strategist.

Don't mean to jinx anyone, but looking forward to congratulating the first of the new crop!

I hope I hope!  At the LA Forum, I was telling the rep about how students at Mich LOVE the school and are the best PR people in the world.  I was talking about you guys!  You have made Michigan rise to the top of my list of schools of interest.

What goes around...it was really the rep at the NYC forum who sold me on Michigan - I wasn't even planning to apply here before that.  But she was an alum, and her enthusiasm for the school was the good kind of infectious (thank you A Mighty Wind.)  Who was it at your forum?  Was it Amy by any chance?  Late 20s, curly light brown hair?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 14, 2006, 05:52:09 PM
silly me for doubting you...always the strategist.

Don't mean to jinx anyone, but looking forward to congratulating the first of the new crop!

I hope I hope!  At the LA Forum, I was telling the rep about how students at Mich LOVE the school and are the best PR people in the world.  I was talking about you guys!  You have made Michigan rise to the top of my list of schools of interest.

What goes around...it was really the rep at the NYC forum who sold me on Michigan - I wasn't even planning to apply here before that.  But she was an alum, and her enthusiasm for the school was the good kind of infectious (thank you A Mighty Wind.)  Who was it at your forum?  Was it Amy by any chance?  Late 20s, curly light brown hair?

I think she was African-American.  Anyone else from LA forum remember?  I have a horrible recollection for people.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ScoopNY on November 14, 2006, 06:14:37 PM
I got a handwritten note from Sarah Z back in the day as well -- she said she loved my school! But yes the students were the biggest selling point of the school for me as well.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on November 14, 2006, 06:55:58 PM
silly me for doubting you...always the strategist.

Don't mean to jinx anyone, but looking forward to congratulating the first of the new crop!

I hope I hope!  At the LA Forum, I was telling the rep about how students at Mich LOVE the school and are the best PR people in the world.  I was talking about you guys!  You have made Michigan rise to the top of my list of schools of interest.

What goes around...it was really the rep at the NYC forum who sold me on Michigan - I wasn't even planning to apply here before that.  But she was an alum, and her enthusiasm for the school was the good kind of infectious (thank you A Mighty Wind.)  Who was it at your forum?  Was it Amy by any chance?  Late 20s, curly light brown hair?

Amy does all the school visits not the forums - and she is super nice.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 14, 2006, 08:33:07 PM
I have a couple od questions:

I have heard that the school is very liberal, is this true and does it apply to the law school?
I don't really like sports, does this matter? (I know sometimes it did at ND, but people got over it)
What does UM think about the fact that they got third in Mich for bar passage rates, is there talk about this?

Thanks!

1. The undergrads are much more liberal than the law students, but the student body generally leans to the left.  The faculty is more mixed, but thye tend to keep their opiniosn to themselves anyway.  Conservative organiaztions (and organaztions that tend to attract conservatives, but that are not conservative per se) are pretty well represented in the law school.

2. There is a long post about this on page 1.  Long story short: No, you don't have to like sports, but you have to have some patience with those of us who do.

3. There is no talk about it (I didn't know that until you posted it).  Most of what you need for the bar exam, you will learn in bar prep courses.  The professors don't teach to the bar, and the students I've met don't concern themseleves with it until after graduation.  It's really treated as a personal, rather than institutional, concern.

Also of note: most of our top students leave the state of Michigan.  Michigan has a higher bar passage rate in NY than NYU, Columbia, or Cornell, and a higher rate in IL than Chicago or Northwestern.  To the extent that you view bar passage rates as indiciative of school quality (which I highly discourage), I'd venture that we're doing just fine.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: adamc2k on November 15, 2006, 01:35:03 PM
Just acouple of quick questions for whoever's around...
1) How does life/classes at UM compare with UVA?
2) Do fee waivers really mean anything? I got the love letter, but have a friend who got a waiver from Harvard last year even though he had no shot of getting in.
3) What sort of outdoor/natural areas are near Ann Arbor and do people there do much hiking/fishing etc. or is there just not enough time? I like to fly fish and was wondering if you had heard of or knew anyone who had done any near ann arbor

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on November 16, 2006, 11:22:27 PM
I know this nothing to do with law school really, but it is related to Ann Arbor.  I used to live in places where it snowed a great deal and I would LOVE to go sledding again.  My (stupid) question:  Does Ann Arbor have hills or anything?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 16, 2006, 11:41:40 PM
I know this nothing to do with law school really, but it is related to Ann Arbor.  I used to live in places where it snowed a great deal and I would LOVE to go sledding again.  My (stupid) question:  Does Ann Arbor have hills or anything?

That really depends on what you consider hills, but the short answer is no.  I came from a VERY mountainous state, so Ann Arbor is frighteningly flat to me.  It's also a more-devoloped town than many people give it credit for, so within the city limits, I don't know of any parks where you would be able to sled in any meaningful way.  There may be some places just outside of town for that, but I'd have to do some research to know. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 17, 2006, 09:01:50 AM
i am pondering a visit dec. 7-8, but i know that is the very end of the Fall semester. could i still get a good feel for the school or should i wait until after classes resume in january?

You will be here at the beginning of finals, so you will see us at our worst.  On the other hand, if you come, Dec. 7th & 8th, you will still have the opportunity to sit in on some classes, and might catch a few pre-finals parites.  Basically, it would probably be the most-informative visit you could have, but might not put us in a very good light give the stress levels that are to be expected.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on November 17, 2006, 11:23:45 AM
I know this nothing to do with law school really, but it is related to Ann Arbor.  I used to live in places where it snowed a great deal and I would LOVE to go sledding again.  My (stupid) question:  Does Ann Arbor have hills or anything?

That really depends on what you consider hills, but the short answer is no.  I came from a VERY mountainous state, so Ann Arbor is frighteningly flat to me.  It's also a more-devoloped town than many people give it credit for, so within the city limits, I don't know of any parks where you would be able to sled in any meaningful way.  There may be some places just outside of town for that, but I'd have to do some research to know. 

Thanks for the answer (and no need for research of course) and good luck on all the writing I know you have before you.  There is something good to be said when a 1L Q&A thread is patronized by several of a school's LSD members.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 17, 2006, 03:14:25 PM
I do think it's hilarious how the majority of the LSDers ended up becoming pretty tight.  Seems as though as some schools the 1L LSD people won't even acknowledge one another.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 17, 2006, 03:32:03 PM
I do think it's hilarious how the majority of the LSDers ended up becoming pretty tight.  Seems as though as some schools the 1L LSD people won't even acknowledge one another.
Have people from LSD ever ended up going to the same school, meeting, then dating?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 17, 2006, 03:38:51 PM
I do think it's hilarious how the majority of the LSDers ended up becoming pretty tight.  Seems as though as some schools the 1L LSD people won't even acknowledge one another.
Have people from LSD ever ended up going to the same school, meeting, then dating?

Hmm.  I can't speak to "ever", since I only know what's going on here (and that only marginally.)  My guess is that it must have happened somewhere at some point given the rampant flirting on this board.  If any of my fellow Michigan 1L LSDers are getting it on with one another, they're incredibly stealthy.  Kidding.  I'm pretty sure there's no LSD nooky here, but I'll keep eyes and ears open.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 17, 2006, 03:48:30 PM
I do think it's hilarious how the majority of the LSDers ended up becoming pretty tight.  Seems as though as some schools the 1L LSD people won't even acknowledge one another.
Have people from LSD ever ended up going to the same school, meeting, then dating?

does jd2bee have an LSD crush?

Lol, no just wondering. :)

I'm open to having crushes, though.  Please send pics to jd2bee@gmail.com :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on November 17, 2006, 06:39:13 PM
Thanks for answering my questions!

Also, to the person that asked about the nature areas in Ann Arbor, YES there are many parks and recreational areas, very beautiful and the people try to keep things pretty clean too!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 17, 2006, 09:43:42 PM
I do think it's hilarious how the majority of the LSDers ended up becoming pretty tight.  Seems as though as some schools the 1L LSD people won't even acknowledge one another.
Have people from LSD ever ended up going to the same school, meeting, then dating?

Hmm.  I can't speak to "ever", since I only know what's going on here (and that only marginally.)  My guess is that it must have happened somewhere at some point given the rampant flirting on this board.  If any of my fellow Michigan 1L LSDers are getting it on with one another, they're incredibly stealthy.  Kidding.  I'm pretty sure there's no LSD nooky here, but I'll keep eyes and ears open.  ;)


Um, I had an incredibly awesome date with an LSDer tonight. What say you to that, Jolie? ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 17, 2006, 09:49:08 PM
I'm afraid I need more information before I commit myself to words.

By the way, LSD, I have it on good authority that smiley paid for this date.  Just sayin...

(How was the date, btw?)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Brito on November 17, 2006, 10:45:23 PM
the rampant flirting on this board. 

I've never noticed anything of the sort.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Brito on November 18, 2006, 12:03:38 AM
the rampant flirting on this board. 

I've never noticed anything of the sort.

How you doin'?

 :-*
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 18, 2006, 06:22:27 AM
I'm afraid I need more information before I commit myself to words.

By the way, LSD, I have it on good authority that smiley paid for this date.  Just sayin...

(How was the date, btw?)

I did pay, and would pay again willingly! We had a great time...saw that movie Jesus Camp...talked about 1L stuff...you know, the usual date business. I got people to take pictures of us everywhere we went and kept saying "This is our first date!" I even got one "good luck!"

Jolie, I 'll pick you up around 2:30 I guess? Maybe more like 2:20. I'll call you. Off to volunteer my time for my basement group.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 20, 2006, 08:32:48 PM
I have a couple od questions:

I have heard that the school is very liberal, is this true and does it apply to the law school?
I don't really like sports, does this matter? (I know sometimes it did at ND, but people got over it)
What does UM think about the fact that they got third in Mich for bar passage rates, is there talk about this?

Thanks!

1. The undergrads are much more liberal than the law students, but the student body generally leans to the left.  The faculty is more mixed, but thye tend to keep their opiniosn to themselves anyway.  Conservative organiaztions (and organaztions that tend to attract conservatives, but that are not conservative per se) are pretty well represented in the law school.


I am writing to 1) bump us back to the first page - go Michigan!
2) I agree a lot with what Vapid says. The student body at the law school I would say definitely leans to the left. That's not to say that there are no moderates or conservatives or those with "other" political views, libertarians and that sort of thing. But on the whole, I'd say it's a pretty liberal environment. This comes out in a couple of ways. First I think many conservative students, especially in a class like con law, have to find ways to defend their points of view. There are a few conservative students in my own class who I think do a really good job of questioning the court's reasoning and inserting some of their own views without going overboard. I think professors sometimes sense this and like to draw out some less mainstream opinions and end up calling on those students to get a good legal discussion going in class. I think it's exactly this kind of interaction that makes law school an intellectually stimulating place to be. The professors do a great job of helping you understand both sides of the argument and the idea that that is the only way to understand and defend your own side.
3)As for the basement groups, there are really prominent groups like the ACLU and the Federalist Society at every law school. Michigan has a Democrats group but not a Republicans group, I've noticed. There are also several religious organizations, The Catholic Law Students and the Christian Legal Society. They definitely do not sponsor as many events as the Federalists and the ACLU do. The other groups, like those based on racial affinity, are at different levels of political activeness, and I think not all students in those groups are totally comfortable with some of the levels of political activity (like leading up to the election with Prop 2). That's what I've heard though, so it may not be indicative of anything.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 20, 2006, 08:44:38 PM
tag 8)

Michigan's going well, I gather?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 20, 2006, 08:50:29 PM
tag 8)

Michigan's going well, I gather?

Hey Lily!  Smiley and I were just talking about you!  We wish you were here, but we're having a grand time.  It's a little nerdy, actually...the Michigan LSDers all come here and talk to one another online, then hang out together IRL, then come back and talk about how much we love our school...it's amazing that anyone else hangs out with us.  :D

How's Georgetown treating you?  (Sorry about the migraines :()
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 20, 2006, 08:52:27 PM
tag 8)

Michigan's going well, I gather?

Hey Lily!  Smiley and I were just talking about you!  We wish you were here, but we're having a grand time.  It's a little nerdy, actually...the Michigan LSDers all come here and talk to one another online, then hang out together IRL, then come back and talk about how much we love our school...it's amazing that anyone else hangs out with us.  :D

How's Georgetown treating you?  (Sorry about the migraines :()

Pretty good.

Although I am kinda bummed the LSDers I met at various ASWs are, well, at Michigan. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on November 20, 2006, 08:54:19 PM
tag 8)

Michigan's going well, I gather?

Hey Lily!  Smiley and I were just talking about you!  We wish you were here, but we're having a grand time.  It's a little nerdy, actually...the Michigan LSDers all come here and talk to one another online, then hang out together IRL, then come back and talk about how much we love our school...it's amazing that anyone else hangs out with us.  :D

How's Georgetown treating you?  (Sorry about the migraines :()

No one talks about me :(
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 20, 2006, 09:07:18 PM
tag 8)

Michigan's going well, I gather?

Hey Lily!  Smiley and I were just talking about you!  We wish you were here, but we're having a grand time.  It's a little nerdy, actually...the Michigan LSDers all come here and talk to one another online, then hang out together IRL, then come back and talk about how much we love our school...it's amazing that anyone else hangs out with us.  :D

How's Georgetown treating you?  (Sorry about the migraines :()

No one talks about me :(

I talk about you.  :-* 

Actually, that's true.  It's just not an interesting story: we were trying to figure out why all of our male Russian friends from high school are Republican or Libertarian, but none of our female friends are.  (They identify as liberal independents.)  And then I remembered that a) they don't know you and b) you didn't go to high school with us.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on November 20, 2006, 09:19:37 PM
tag 8)

Michigan's going well, I gather?

Hey Lily!  Smiley and I were just talking about you!  We wish you were here, but we're having a grand time.  It's a little nerdy, actually...the Michigan LSDers all come here and talk to one another online, then hang out together IRL, then come back and talk about how much we love our school...it's amazing that anyone else hangs out with us.  :D

How's Georgetown treating you?  (Sorry about the migraines :()

No one talks about me :(

I talk about you.  :-* 

Actually, that's true.  It's just not an interesting story: we were trying to figure out why all of our male Russian friends from high school are Republican or Libertarian, but none of our female friends are.  (They identify as liberal independents.)  And then I remembered that a) they don't know you and b) you didn't go to high school with us.

Wait, now I'm confused.  I am Republican/Libertarian, so your male/female split would still work  :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 20, 2006, 09:27:20 PM
tag 8)

Michigan's going well, I gather?

Hey Lily!  Smiley and I were just talking about you!  We wish you were here, but we're having a grand time.  It's a little nerdy, actually...the Michigan LSDers all come here and talk to one another online, then hang out together IRL, then come back and talk about how much we love our school...it's amazing that anyone else hangs out with us.  :D

How's Georgetown treating you?  (Sorry about the migraines :()

No one talks about me :(

I talk about you.  :-* 

Actually, that's true.  It's just not an interesting story: we were trying to figure out why all of our male Russian friends from high school are Republican or Libertarian, but none of our female friends are.  (They identify as liberal independents.)  And then I remembered that a) they don't know you and b) you didn't go to high school with us.

Wait, now I'm confused.  I am Republican/Libertarian, so your male/female split would still work  :P

Exactly.  I just forgot that they didn't know you because you didn't go to high school with us.

Incidentially, we concluded it ultimately came down to birth control.  Children are a huge opportunity cost generally, but women tend to take much more of a hit then men.  Consequently, using semi-conscious economic reasoning, Jewish female Russian 20-somethings reasonably conclude that birth control is far more important than markets.   But that could just be our high school.  Any thoughts?

Stupid lack of statistics for an interesting question! >:(

;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 20, 2006, 10:04:48 PM
Lily!!!! :-*

Thanks for stopping by our thread! Michigan is great. It sounds like things are going well for you at Georgetown and that you're going to get to do exactly what you wanted. Sorry Veronica Mars isn't all you've hoped for this season, though (I only watched the premeire, as it is on after Gilmore Girls...)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 20, 2006, 10:18:51 PM
Lily!!!! :-*

Thanks for stopping by our thread! Michigan is great. It sounds like things are going well for you at Georgetown and that you're going to get to do exactly what you wanted. Sorry Veronica Mars isn't all you've hoped for this season, though (I only watched the premeire, as it is on after Gilmore Girls...)

:D

Speaking of which, has Gilmore Girls changed significantly since the Palladinos left?   Or is the new showrunner keeping it more or less the same? 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on November 21, 2006, 01:26:42 AM
I thought I would give this thread a bump...I was accepted ED on Saturday and I'm very excited about it!!
My fiance and I are planning a visit towards the end of January to see the area and do some apartment shopping (any suggestions?).  I think I'm going to get tickets to a hockey game.  Anything else we should try to do while we're in?  What's the name of that famous burger joint with the little burgers and millions of combinations? 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 21, 2006, 10:44:12 AM
Lily!!!! :-*

Thanks for stopping by our thread! Michigan is great. It sounds like things are going well for you at Georgetown and that you're going to get to do exactly what you wanted. Sorry Veronica Mars isn't all you've hoped for this season, though (I only watched the premeire, as it is on after Gilmore Girls...)

:D

Speaking of which, has Gilmore Girls changed significantly since the Palladinos left?   Or is the new showrunner keeping it more or less the same? 

Oh my god, I feel like vomiting every time I watch it!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 21, 2006, 02:28:37 PM
Speaking of which, has Gilmore Girls changed significantly since the Palladinos left?   Or is the new showrunner keeping it more or less the same? 

It's so bad I want to cry.


I thought I would give this thread a bump...I was accepted ED on Saturday and I'm very excited about it!!
My fiance and I are planning a visit towards the end of January to see the area and do some apartment shopping (any suggestions?).  I think I'm going to get tickets to a hockey game.  Anything else we should try to do while we're in?  What's the name of that famous burger joint with the little burgers and millions of combinations? 

Conrats on the acceptance.  Make sure you let us all know exactly when you are comming, we'll hook you up.  If you tell us where you are comming from, it might help us suggest places to shop for apartments (you'd be surprised at how much one's perception of what a home should be depends on geography).  A hockey game is probably a good idea.  I don't know anything about burger joints (maybe someone can help me out with that one) but, you need to go to Zingerman's (split a sandwich with the fiance; they're expensive).   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on November 21, 2006, 02:42:14 PM
I have heard of this Zingeman's place. One day we were on our way to St Thomas and passed by, it was like 8am and there was this LONG line outside the door. They MUST be pretty good to get a crowd that early!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on November 21, 2006, 02:55:17 PM
Wow, that was REALLY long!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 21, 2006, 03:34:34 PM
Lily!!!! :-*

Thanks for stopping by our thread! Michigan is great. It sounds like things are going well for you at Georgetown and that you're going to get to do exactly what you wanted. Sorry Veronica Mars isn't all you've hoped for this season, though (I only watched the premeire, as it is on after Gilmore Girls...)

:D

Speaking of which, has Gilmore Girls changed significantly since the Palladinos left?   Or is the new showrunner keeping it more or less the same? 

Oh my god, I feel like vomiting every time I watch it!!!

I never watched it because it came out when my mother died, but I did respect it.  (And you know how much of a t.v. snob I am, so that's saying something.)  It's always a shame to see good shows go.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on November 21, 2006, 03:39:15 PM
Speaking of good shows going, I heard that the Simpons are coming out with a movie and that that usually signals the end, any one care to comment on the truth or lack thereof about this?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 21, 2006, 04:38:22 PM
split a sandwich with the fiance; they're expensive).   

Please define "expensive" sandwich... and list contents...

There's about a hundred different options, so contents are out.  I recommend the Half-Italian.  Most sandwiches run about $13, but are quite large. 

The deli is also an amazing specialty shop, so if you're into cheeses, oils, meats, etc., it's a fun place to browse.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 21, 2006, 06:15:55 PM
Boalt versus Michigan.  Go!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on November 21, 2006, 06:55:53 PM
Boalt versus Michigan.  Go!  ;D

Ok, now you're just making me jealous.  Haha just kidding, congrats on Boalt!!!  Hopefully I'll get to make the same choice that you have. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 21, 2006, 06:59:41 PM
Boalt versus Michigan.  Go!  ;D

Ok, now you're just making me jealous.  Haha just kidding, congrats on Boalt!!!  Hopefully I'll get to make the same choice that you have. 

Oh you're in fine shape!  You and I are almost numbers twins with your highest lsat.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 21, 2006, 07:06:50 PM
Boalt versus Michigan.  Go!  ;D

Oh no you don't - not in here!  :D

Once you're debating the differences in schools as good as these two, it must become a matter of personal preference.  We're happy to help answer substantive and specific questions you have about Michigan (or totally fluffy, shallow and irrelevant questions about Michigan, for that matter)...but I for one am not going to engage in any sort of "Who's Better?" banter.  That's just not what we're about.

(And to answer your question - Michigan.  Clearly! ;))
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on November 21, 2006, 07:09:03 PM
So there really isn't a Republican group at UMich? Isn't that wierd?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on November 21, 2006, 07:15:58 PM
So since I was just admitted to Mich a couple of questions have crossed my mind.  When does Michigan start informing admitted students about fin aid?  Also, how does Michigan handle deferrals?  I originally applied for Summer 08 but was contacted by the admissions office asking if I wanted to be considered for Fall 07.  They said I would be competitive and my plans for taking a year off weren't concrete so I would be a good candidate for Fall 07.  They also said I could request a deferral at a later date.  My last question is if I recieved money from UM and I deferred would they take away my scholarship?  Sorry for the long explanation. 

BTW, I'm looking forward to meeting everyone at the admit weekend! 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on November 21, 2006, 07:20:23 PM
Boalt versus Michigan.  Go!  ;D

Oh no you don't - not in here!  :D

Once you're debating the differences in schools as good as these two, it must become a matter of personal preference.  We're happy to help answer substantive and specific questions you have about Michigan (or totally fluffy, shallow and irrelevant questions about Michigan, for that matter)...but I for one am not going to engage in any sort of "Who's Better?" banter.  That's just not what we're about.

(And to answer your question - Michigan.  Clearly! ;))

I know they're both awesome schools, and I've read past threads on the schools, so I'm really not looking for a who's better response, although I know you were pretty much teasing :).  I was just wondering if any of the current Mich people faced a similar decision and why Michigan won over Boalt for you.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 21, 2006, 07:28:31 PM
Boalt versus Michigan.  Go!  ;D

Oh no you don't - not in here!  :D

Once you're debating the differences in schools as good as these two, it must become a matter of personal preference.  We're happy to help answer substantive and specific questions you have about Michigan (or totally fluffy, shallow and irrelevant questions about Michigan, for that matter)...but I for one am not going to engage in any sort of "Who's Better?" banter.  That's just not what we're about.

(And to answer your question - Michigan.  Clearly! ;))

I know they're both awesome schools, and I've read past threads on the schools, so I'm really not looking for a who's better response, although I know you were pretty much teasing :).  I was just wondering if any of the current Mich people faced a similar decision and why Michigan won over Boalt for you.

Yup, I was mostly teasing.  ;)

The process was really organic and personal for me.  I went with my gut when it came time to make my final decision.  I knew that I'd do well with any of my choices, but I was so wowed by Michigan's people, facilities, atmosphere, institutional attitude...the whole shebang.  I felt really connected to the Michigan people I'd met here; I visited Ann Arbor and found that it reminded me a lot of Ithaca (where I went to grad school and had a grand time.)  I figured that law school was as good a time as any to spend some time away from NY.  It just felt right, all around.



Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on November 21, 2006, 07:45:25 PM
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I don't know anything about burger joints

I went to Red Hawk Grill the other night, and thought the burgers were pretty tasty. They had some fantastic onion rings too.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: SCOTUS on November 21, 2006, 09:37:43 PM
Hey Vapid/Jolie/Sooner! I thought you guys divorced yourselves from this site??
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 21, 2006, 10:23:37 PM
Hey Vapid/Jolie/Sooner! I thought you guys divorced yourselves from this site??

Indeed I had.  Love for my school coupled with a deep-seated need to avoid Legal Practice assignments dragged me back against my better judgment.  Can't speak for my friends, but I suspect that similar forces may be at play...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on November 21, 2006, 10:40:36 PM
I thought I would give this thread a bump...I was accepted ED on Saturday and I'm very excited about it!!
My fiance and I are planning a visit towards the end of January to see the area and do some apartment shopping (any suggestions?).  I think I'm going to get tickets to a hockey game.  Anything else we should try to do while we're in?  What's the name of that famous burger joint with the little burgers and millions of combinations? 

The home hockey games for the end of January are 1/13 against N. Michigan, 1/26 and 1/27 against Ferris State, and then 2/3 against W. Michigan. All this information can be found on the website www.mgoblue.com.

I definitely recommend a hockey game. The Yost was craaazy tonight as we beat Michigan State 2-1. If you are really interested, you can message me, I am a season ticket holder and often know of people in our seating section who would give up/sell their tickets for the games sometimes. I don't know how much tickets are for non-students, but it is way more fun and would give you more of the genuine Yost experience to sit in the student section.

I have to chime in about Zingerman's...it's good and definitely try it but I thought it was a bit overrated compared to other restaurants and places I love in Ann Arbor.

And, this whole Gilmore Girls tangent cracks me up. Lily, Vapid can attest that I was a rockin' Lane Kim for Halloween this year and wore my costume to class, drumsticks and all.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: class2010 on November 22, 2006, 09:19:12 PM
I thought I would give this thread a bump...I was accepted ED on Saturday and I'm very excited about it!!
My fiance and I are planning a visit towards the end of January to see the area and do some apartment shopping (any suggestions?).  I think I'm going to get tickets to a hockey game.  Anything else we should try to do while we're in?  What's the name of that famous burger joint with the little burgers and millions of combinations? 

Burger place:
Blimpy Burger (Krazy Jim's)
551 S. Division
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on November 23, 2006, 09:41:07 AM
I thought I would give this thread a bump...I was accepted ED on Saturday and I'm very excited about it!!
My fiance and I are planning a visit towards the end of January to see the area and do some apartment shopping (any suggestions?).  I think I'm going to get tickets to a hockey game.  Anything else we should try to do while we're in?  What's the name of that famous burger joint with the little burgers and millions of combinations? 

The home hockey games for the end of January are 1/13 against N. Michigan, 1/26 and 1/27 against Ferris State, and then 2/3 against W. Michigan. All this information can be found on the website www.mgoblue.com.

I definitely recommend a hockey game. The Yost was craaazy tonight as we beat Michigan State 2-1. If you are really interested, you can message me, I am a season ticket holder and often know of people in our seating section who would give up/sell their tickets for the games sometimes. I don't know how much tickets are for non-students, but it is way more fun and would give you more of the genuine Yost experience to sit in the student section.


Thank you very much, I will definitely get in touch as soon as we finalize our travel plans.   I have been following the hockey team via mgoblue.com and I can not wait to get to Yost, I am a huge hockey fan.  Any idea how the basketball games are?  How hard would it be next year for a 1L to get season tickets to bball and hockey?  I realize I would probably miss a number of the games bc of work...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 23, 2006, 10:39:02 AM
I thought I would give this thread a bump...I was accepted ED on Saturday and I'm very excited about it!!
My fiance and I are planning a visit towards the end of January to see the area and do some apartment shopping (any suggestions?).  I think I'm going to get tickets to a hockey game.  Anything else we should try to do while we're in?  What's the name of that famous burger joint with the little burgers and millions of combinations? 

The home hockey games for the end of January are 1/13 against N. Michigan, 1/26 and 1/27 against Ferris State, and then 2/3 against W. Michigan. All this information can be found on the website www.mgoblue.com.

I definitely recommend a hockey game. The Yost was craaazy tonight as we beat Michigan State 2-1. If you are really interested, you can message me, I am a season ticket holder and often know of people in our seating section who would give up/sell their tickets for the games sometimes. I don't know how much tickets are for non-students, but it is way more fun and would give you more of the genuine Yost experience to sit in the student section.


Thank you very much, I will definitely get in touch as soon as we finalize our travel plans.   I have been following the hockey team via mgoblue.com and I can not wait to get to Yost, I am a huge hockey fan.  Any idea how the basketball games are?  How hard would it be next year for a 1L to get season tickets to bball and hockey?  I realize I would probably miss a number of the games bc of work...

Not difficult at all.  As each sport's season opens up, we've gotten emails telling us how to go about arranging season tickets...and they're sooo cheap compared to face value for the general public.  I have to admit, I've always been pretty indifferent to collegiate sports, and really sports in general outside of baseball.  I thought that all of the Wolverines madness would be dreadful.  But it's hard to resist - I ended up going to about half of the football games and watching the rest on television.  I'll definitely buy season tix next year. 

As far as missing games because of work...you'd be surprised.  The work is steady and voluminous and (except for my interludes on LSD) I have to stay pretty diligent, but there's still been plenty of time for a balanced life.  Just about everyone takes time off for sporting events or social time or basement groups or favorite TV shows or bowling or all of the above.  I've continued to pleasure-read a book or two a week and spend a lot of time with my pups, not to mention time with friends.  I don't know if Michigan students are just uniformly more balanced than most 1Ls or if we're deluding ourselves or what, but the pace is not nearly as relentless as I'd anticipated. 

As for housing...I'd be happy to share tips, experiences, ideas etc. when you start hunting.  Craigslist is a great place to start, and (once you get your Friend account set up) Wolverine Access has off-campus listings.  www.arborweb.com has descriptions of different neighborhoods, although it's a little confusing to navigate.  And asking us about the different neighborhoods is probably the safest bet once you know what you're looking for (complex vs. house, super-close to campus vs. privacy and space, biking distance or walking distance vs. hell-I'll-take-the-bus...)

I'll echo smiley and VU - definitely let us know when you'll be heading in.  We'll take good care of you guys! 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on November 23, 2006, 11:19:37 AM
I thought I would give this thread a bump...I was accepted ED on Saturday and I'm very excited about it!!
My fiance and I are planning a visit towards the end of January to see the area and do some apartment shopping (any suggestions?).  I think I'm going to get tickets to a hockey game.  Anything else we should try to do while we're in?  What's the name of that famous burger joint with the little burgers and millions of combinations? 

The home hockey games for the end of January are 1/13 against N. Michigan, 1/26 and 1/27 against Ferris State, and then 2/3 against W. Michigan. All this information can be found on the website www.mgoblue.com.

I definitely recommend a hockey game. The Yost was craaazy tonight as we beat Michigan State 2-1. If you are really interested, you can message me, I am a season ticket holder and often know of people in our seating section who would give up/sell their tickets for the games sometimes. I don't know how much tickets are for non-students, but it is way more fun and would give you more of the genuine Yost experience to sit in the student section.


Thank you very much, I will definitely get in touch as soon as we finalize our travel plans.   I have been following the hockey team via mgoblue.com and I can not wait to get to Yost, I am a huge hockey fan.  Any idea how the basketball games are?  How hard would it be next year for a 1L to get season tickets to bball and hockey?  I realize I would probably miss a number of the games bc of work...

Not difficult at all.  As each sport's season opens up, we've gotten emails telling us how to go about arranging season tickets...and they're sooo cheap compared to face value for the general public.  I have to admit, I've always been pretty indifferent to collegiate sports, and really sports in general outside of baseball.  I thought that all of the Wolverines madness would be dreadful.  But it's hard to resist - I ended up going to about half of the football games and watching the rest on television.  I'll definitely buy season tix next year. 

As far as missing games because of work...you'd be surprised.  The work is steady and voluminous and (except for my interludes on LSD) I have to stay pretty diligent, but there's still been plenty of time for a balanced life.  Just about everyone takes time off for sporting events or social time or basement groups or favorite TV shows or bowling or all of the above.  I've continued to pleasure-read a book or two a week and spend a lot of time with my pups, not to mention time with friends.  I don't know if Michigan students are just uniformly more balanced than most 1Ls or if we're deluding ourselves or what, but the pace is not nearly as relentless as I'd anticipated. 

As for housing...I'd be happy to share tips, experiences, ideas etc. when you start hunting.  Craigslist is a great place to start, and (once you get your Friend account set up) Wolverine Access has off-campus listings.  www.arborweb.com has descriptions of different neighborhoods, although it's a little confusing to navigate.  And asking us about the different neighborhoods is probably the safest bet once you know what you're looking for (complex vs. house, super-close to campus vs. privacy and space, biking distance or walking distance vs. hell-I'll-take-the-bus...)

I'll echo smiley and VU - definitely let us know when you'll be heading in.  We'll take good care of you guys! 

I think it speaks volumes about UM that all the students are this friendly and willing to help.  It sounds like Michigan is truly a wonderful place to spend my law school years.  I think you can tell how excited I am about heading to Ann Arbor by the fact I am posting here on Thanksgiving.
In terms of housing, I believe my fiance and I are looking to live in a complex as opposed to a house.  We don't need to be right on top of the university; my online searches have found some nice places about 10 min. from campus.  If you have any thoughts feel free to share.  If not, I am sure we will find a great place when we visit.  Thank you so much for the info and kind words.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on November 25, 2006, 08:16:18 PM
BUMP!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: _____ on November 25, 2006, 08:33:58 PM
I think it speaks volumes about UM that all the students are this friendly and willing to help.  It sounds like Michigan is truly a wonderful place to spend my law school years.  I think you can tell how excited I am about heading to Ann Arbor by the fact I am posting here on Thanksgiving.

In terms of housing, I believe my fiance and I are looking to live in a complex as opposed to a house.  We don't need to be right on top of the university; my online searches have found some nice places about 10 min. from campus.  If you have any thoughts feel free to share.  If not, I am sure we will find a great place when we visit.  Thank you so much for the info and kind words.

Well, I'm a Michigan 2L, but I figure I can throw in my two cents...

Personally, I'm a big fan of NOT having to drive to school.  Parking is a pain in the butt around here, and I'd much rather be close to campus b/c you end up spending so much time in the library and/or otherwise studying.

You're right in your impression that law students around here are generally quite nice and have a good time together, but that doesn't discount the work factor.  My favorite explanation about how hard law school is (and one with which many other people here have agreed) is that law school is 4-5 times harder than undergrad.  And the guy who first told me that did his undergrad at Harvard, so it's not like he's some sort of slouch!

So don't underestimate the value of NOT having to drive to school. State Street, in particular, gets THICK with traffic at the typical "rush hour" times (morning and evening), and it literally will double (or triple) your travel time...not to mention the fact that you will have to hunt like crazy for a parking space (either that or park at the State Street commuter lot and take a 10 minute shuttle bus from there--which sort of defeats the purpose, no?)...

It sounds like you've got a spouse coming with you, and so that may play into your desire to not quite be on top of central campus scene, and I definitely understand.

So you may wish to consider UM's Family Housing.  There's some info about it earlier in this thread, but it's up on quiet North Campus, rates are quite reasonable, and there is a UM shuttle bus that runs every 15 minutes or something like that.  That, and your landlord is definitely a good one! Also, your family housing apartment comes with a parking pass for only $25 a year (instead of the possible hundreds you might pay)!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on November 25, 2006, 09:29:51 PM
My favorite explanation about how hard law school is (and one with which many other people here have agreed) is that law school is 4-5 times harder than undergrad.  And the guy who first told me that did his undergrad at Harvard, so it's not like he's some sort of slouch!

of the possible hundreds you might pay)!

Harvard actually has a reputation for being insanely easy compared to its peer institutions (mostly through its generous curve).  Something like 75% of the graduating class each year graduates with honors (cum laude, etc).  Think of it as grade inflation university.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: beatthebuckeyes on November 25, 2006, 10:55:55 PM
I think it speaks volumes about UM that all the students are this friendly and willing to help.  It sounds like Michigan is truly a wonderful place to spend my law school years.  I think you can tell how excited I am about heading to Ann Arbor by the fact I am posting here on Thanksgiving.
In terms of housing, I believe my fiance and I are looking to live in a complex as opposed to a house.  We don't need to be right on top of the university; my online searches have found some nice places about 10 min. from campus.  If you have any thoughts feel free to share.  If not, I am sure we will find a great place when we visit.  Thank you so much for the info and kind words.
I'm a Umich 2L and I live about 10-15 minutes away from the campus in a place called Windemere Park.  It's not so bad, especially if you are slightly older and like to get out of the downtown scene which can be harrowing, especially on football days.  Parking isn't so bad-I drive to the commuter lot and take the bus for the most part.  Then again I treat law school like a job- I go to school, go to class, stay and study and come home without my books for the most part.  (Or at least that's what I did last year- it's a little different as a 2L-now I just go to class during the day and do my studying at home. But same difference really).

Family housing may be a better deal because it's cheaper than the stuff off campus and all utilities are included, I think.  The only reason we do not live there is because we have pets- dogs and cats- which they don't allow.

Congratulations on your ED acceptance!  You are going to have a great time here- we can't wait to welcome you to campus. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: WildFool on November 26, 2006, 08:02:35 AM
I was recently accepted at UM and had a few questions about housing, the campus, the student body as a whole, and recruitment.  Fitness is of paramount importance to me and I see that the main gym appears to be a good distance from the Lawyers Club and Law School.  Can anyone tell me about how far a walk it is and if they run shuttles to the gym?  Also I am aware there is a Gold's Gym in AA, how far is that from the law school and how is housing near Golds?

My next question is about the Lawyers Club - what are your thoughts about that?  I am assuming it enables you to make fantastic friends, but it seems to have some downfalls - closed during Thanksgiving, Winter Break, and Summer (meaning I have to leave) and no parking.  Do the positives outweight the negatives?  If you do not live in the LC will you still be able to make very close friends or does it become more like a job where you show up say hello, go home, and repeat?

Next, do the other schools such as the business school or undergrad interact with the law students (i.e. did you make friends that are not going to be lawyers?)  Are the non law schools welcomed around the LC and the Law school?  I just ask because I'd like to take advantage of the large University setting and make friends in all sorts of discplines.

Finally, I am interested in business law and I am not 100% sure if I'd go the law firm route.  When the companies that recruit the MBAs come are the Law Schools allowed to go to the interviews and events as well?  Hopefully that made sense, but in otherwords is it easy for UM Law Student to interview with companies other than firms and government organizations?

Thank you all for your wonderful discussion on this thread, UM should borrow the talk on here and make it an FAQ booklet!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Base1548 on November 27, 2006, 02:32:41 AM
Hey VU, I was just wondering if you had a chance to look into my question concerning Summer Start and increased debt load. 

If not, no worries, I know you are busy.

Thanks,
 Base
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on November 27, 2006, 09:14:48 AM
Hi Guys and Gals.  I figure you guys are going to be busy studying for finals for weeks but my question will be waiting whenever you have a free moment.  Once again, thanks for all this great information!

I see many threads/topics about the UM employment opportunities outside the state but what about in Michigan and even more specifically, in Ann Arbor and Detroit?  Since UM is a top school, do the UM candidates get first pickins, so to speak, of the local jobs, or is the competition pretty equal with other in-state schools?  The reason I ask is because if I move to AA for school, I will most likely end up settling in the Michigan area.  My kids will be in school in AA and as long as I don't hate the area, which I am sure I won't, I will most likely not want to uproot them again so quickly.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 27, 2006, 01:37:53 PM
Sorry guys, it's getting more and more hectic here now that there are only 2 weeks until the first final, so I can't be sure how often I can spend some time answering questions. 

Hey VU, I was just wondering if you had a chance to look into my question concerning Summer Start and increased debt load. 

If not, no worries, I know you are busy.

Thanks,
 Base

This one, I do have an answer to (I think): summer starters are required to take one less class than other students, so most of them graduate a semester early.  The total resulting debt it the same.  Also, becuase you can allocate an entire year's worth of Federal loans to the final semester, your ratio of federal to private loans is also the same.  You just front-load the private debt. 

If you decide to take a reduced load and add an extra semester, then you would have more (private) debt.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on November 27, 2006, 01:44:09 PM
i apologize if you've already answered it, but what's your take on separating 1L students by summer/fall? Which did you do? Are you glad that you did it that way instead of the other? If you already discussed this, just say that you did and i'll make the effort to find it! Thanks
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on November 27, 2006, 01:48:24 PM
i apologize if you've already answered it, but what's your take on separating 1L students by summer/fall? Which did you do? Are you glad that you did it that way instead of the other? If you already discussed this, just say that you did and i'll make the effort to find it! Thanks

There's some talk of this in the fist page or two, but most of us in this thread are Fall Starters, and all we have heard is wonderful things about the Summer Start.  Knowing all that I do, I think Summer Start is nearly always a great choice if you don't have to go strait from UG graduation do orientation. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on November 27, 2006, 01:52:06 PM
i might not have much time between them, but that's probably okay with me. i was thinking that if by some miracle i'm accepted, summer would be nice since it'd let me enjoy the place before having to deal with not just my first semester of law school but also my first dose of "real" cold.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on November 27, 2006, 01:57:05 PM
i might not have much time between them, but that's probably okay with me. i was thinking that if by some miracle i'm accepted, summer would be nice since it'd let me enjoy the place before having to deal with not just my first semester of law school but also my first dose of "real" cold.

At least you'd get to enjoy the beautiful spring-like summer weather before being subjected to the yucky winter.  Summers where I am at give us at least one month of 100+ temps so I would think Michigan summers would be a refreshing change.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on November 27, 2006, 02:29:30 PM
i might not have much time between them, but that's probably okay with me. i was thinking that if by some miracle i'm accepted, summer would be nice since it'd let me enjoy the place before having to deal with not just my first semester of law school but also my first dose of "real" cold.

At least you'd get to enjoy the beautiful spring-like summer weather before being subjected to the yucky winter.  Summers where I am at give us at least one month of 100+ temps so I would think Michigan summers would be a refreshing change.

exactly my thoughts. I'm from Dallas and go to UG in DC, so my life has not exactly been lived in super cold tempeartures. I will say though that I'll pick Dallas in the summer over DC any day. But anyway, yeah. I'd be truly ecstatic to get into Michigan either term, so i don't really mind which it is. Summer might be preferable though... It might even let me play with the idea of getting a joint degree.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ---------- on November 27, 2006, 05:23:49 PM
hey everybody! first off, i am an ED applicant and was accepted a couple weeks ago. i'm very excited, so much so that i've read through each one of these threads you started was back when (even the painful discourse on the gilmore girls...ha). anyway, i really just wanted to say thank you for showing your enthusiasm for michigan. initially i was unsure about my decision, but the more i hear, the more i think i've made the right choice. i'm coming up on dec. 8th for my mba interview (joint degree applicant), so i hope to take in some of the culture as well. any advice for a younger person such as myself? i'm coming straight out of UG, but hopefully you won't hold that against me...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on November 28, 2006, 10:42:33 PM
BUMP!  No second page for UM...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Brito on November 28, 2006, 10:43:47 PM
BUMP!  No second page for UM...

No, indeed... I need to write that Why Mich? essay very soon...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Brito on November 28, 2006, 11:49:20 PM
Does it cost more to do summer start?  If so, how much?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 29, 2006, 12:33:10 AM
Does it cost more to do summer start?  If so, how much?

Once you calculate interest, it's less due to the reduced opportunity cost.

Or at least it was for me when I did my CBA last year.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 29, 2006, 01:05:00 AM
Does it cost more to do summer start?  If so, how much?

Once you calculate interest, it's less due to the reduced opportunity cost.

Or at least it was for me when I did my CBA last year.

How does that work?

You're spending the summer at the school when you could be working = opportunity cost.  I'm sure I'm missing something.

The opportunity cost of getting to work three months earlier at a Biglaw job is much, much more than working sans law degree.

Also, loan interest.  (Assuming rates won't plummet.  Knowing Dr. B, they won't.) 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 29, 2006, 01:22:24 AM
Does it cost more to do summer start?  If so, how much?

Once you calculate interest, it's less due to the reduced opportunity cost.

Or at least it was for me when I did my CBA last year.

How does that work?

You're spending the summer at the school when you could be working = opportunity cost.  I'm sure I'm missing something.

The opportunity cost of getting to work three months earlier at a Biglaw job is much, much more than working sans law degree.

Also, loan interest.  (Assuming rates won't plummet.  Knowing Dr. B, they won't.) 

Ah, finishing three months early.  I knew I must be overlooking something obvious.

It's not obvious -- most summer starters are dual-degrees who finish late. 

That said, I have a bunch of graduate credits that would let me fulfill the sillier requirements. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on November 29, 2006, 06:19:38 AM
Does it cost more to do summer start?  If so, how much?

Once you calculate interest, it's less due to the reduced opportunity cost.

Or at least it was for me when I did my CBA last year.

How does that work?

You're spending the summer at the school when you could be working = opportunity cost.  I'm sure I'm missing something.

The opportunity cost of getting to work three months earlier at a Biglaw job is much, much more than working sans law degree.

Also, loan interest.  (Assuming rates won't plummet.  Knowing Dr. B, they won't.) 

This isn't true for everyone - *cough* *me* *cough*
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on November 29, 2006, 04:47:11 PM
I'm sure everyone on this thread currently at Michigan has different reasons for "why mich?" but I'm happy to share mine.  Most of my choosing of schools came before applications - so I applied to only schools I actually wanted to go to regardless of rank.  I chose schools to apply to who had what I saw as strong support for public interest (a complex set of factors led me to these conclusions, most of which were subjective), some institutional resources dedicated to diversity of students AND faculty, and locations where I am willing/excited to live.  My decision was heavily based on affordability - which matters a great deal when you want to do public interest and aren't too confident loan repayment assistance will help (i.e. I'm married which hurts my eligibility to an extent AND I don't necessarily plan to have a primarily legal job).  Okay that aside, I chose Michigan (both in choosing to apply and in choosing to come) because of the growing public interest culture, the stellar faculty including some who I met (Don Herzog in particular), and because my partner loved Ann Arbor and would get a better job here.  I chose here over Georgetown, Wisconsin, American, and UNC.  I pulled my name off the Stanford waitlist essentially when I received notice I was on the waitlist because I was coming here no matter what at that point.  Also... Michigan is really a beautiful campus so I knew I would smile each time I walk to campus - which is basically true. 

So in some ways I wasn't a typical applicant (for example, I said in my PS that I don't plan to be a lawyer "per se") and didn't apply to many of the top schools where I may have had a chance because I didn't think I'd be happy there (and don't regret that at all).  Therefore my opinions may be less useful to you, but hey... hopefully they still are!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on November 29, 2006, 07:09:41 PM
Quote
Michigan is really a beautiful campus so I knew I would smile each time I walk to campus - which is basically true. 

Man, I hear that. Every day I get off the bus and walk through the archway on the North side of the quad. And every time I walk into the Quad, it lifts my spirits and I start grinning like a damn fool. It's quite a sight.

I'll also try my hand at answering the "Why Michigan" question. I was fortunate to be able to choose from several good schools. I don't really know what I want to do "when I grow up," so I couldn't distinguish among them based on career opportunities. I also couldn't really distinguish among the best schools based on academic offerings (with the exception of a few schools, like NYU and tax). All I really knew was that all the schools I was choosing from would provide a great education.

Many of the other things that people base their decisions on just didn't really matter to me. So it came down to two things: where the school was located and what the atmosphere of the school was like. I thought about going to places like Chicago/NY/DC, but I realized that at this point in my life I'd much prefer staying in a smaller city. College towns are even better. So then I looked at "atmosphere." I visited my top two choices and was blown away by UMich. I really felt comfortable here, and it felt like a place where I would really enjoy spending three years. It came down to just that: a gut feeling that this is where I would enjoy my time the most.

So I guess what really mattered to me in my law school search was, paradoxically, everything other than the law school. And that's what has made this first semester so great: my friends, the events I've gone to, the stuff there is to do around town, etc. Enjoying your time away from law school really makes school more fun and less stressful. :-)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on November 29, 2006, 10:07:45 PM
i shouldn't be allowed to read things like the above post. It gets my hopes up too much.

Anyway, thanks to both of your great answers to that!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Dohrraaba on November 30, 2006, 03:19:05 AM
 can ppl from a city (ny, chicago, or population: 10+ million places) talk about their adjustment experiences in ann arbor.  I'm growing to like the thought of umich, but still uncertain if i can live there.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Giggity on November 30, 2006, 08:15:37 AM
Apologies if this has been covered already, but how is cell phone service in Ann Arbor?  I presently use T-Mobile, wondering if I should switch to Cingular for better coverage.  What carrier do you use? Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on November 30, 2006, 09:45:02 AM
Apologies if this has been covered already, but how is cell phone service in Ann Arbor?  I presently use T-Mobile, wondering if I should switch to Cingular for better coverage.  What carrier do you use? Thanks.

I have no idea about cellular coverage in Ann Arbor but I work for Verizon and we have several stores in Ann Arbor.  I am sure our coverage is wonderful there.  :)  See this?  I'm promoting my company and I won't even be working for the company for that much longer, thanks to law school.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: beatthebuckeyes on November 30, 2006, 10:02:32 AM
As to the Why Michigan question... for me it was all about the feel of the place.  I applied to a lot of different top school- mostly midwest and east coast.  When I came to preview weekend, the people here were really nice - I just felt comfortable immediately.   I guess it's that whole Midwest thing- people are down to earth and a little more laid back than some of the other schools I visited.  Also, the one major advantage of being here instead of in a large city... all the activity here is sort of focused on the law quad.  Professors aren't running off to their other jobs.  They're really committed to the students.  It's not like most people come to campus and go home in the evening only... there's a real sense of community.  That's one major advantage of being here over New York or Chicago or another big city.  Plus, you can live a LOT closer to campus and park with more ease for less money.  AND all those other T14 schools don't have Big 10 football to go with it and the largest living alumni base in the world.

OK so perhaps I am a little biased- I love this place and could probably win Ms School Spirit on any given day.... but I think it's just a great atmosphere for learning and can't imagine that spending 3 years anywhere else could possibly be as great as my three years here with these people.

As for the cold... well, it's cold in NY and Chicago, and it still snows in DC, so unless you plan to go to California or somewhere substantially farther south, it's not that big of a deal.  Buy a ski jacket and some boots and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on November 30, 2006, 05:04:23 PM
I'm gonna tackle a few of these, mostly because the closer I get to finals the less I want to work.  :D

For the poster who asked about city transitions: I just moved here from Manhattan.  I've actually found the adjustment fairly painless.  Sure, I've had my moments of pining for NY (like when I leave the library at midnight jonesing for Indian food and realize that the only restaurants still open involve stir-fry or pizza), but it's not as though this is a rural community.  Ann Arbor is still a city (albeit a small one) with a distinct downtown and decent public transportation.  It has a pretty cosmopolitan flavor, thanks to the university.  We get a lot of live music, and a friend of mine who's a hip hop artist tells me that there's a vibrant underground hip hop scene (I've had to take his word for that so far.)  The Royal Shakespeare Company just completed a residency here.  There's plenty of nightlife that doesn't involve the white-hat-bad-beer scene (although there's plenty of that, too!)  We're less than 30 miles from Detroit and within 20 minutes' drive of an international airport.  I had planned to stay in NYC for law school, but I haven't regretted my decision for a moment.  Like beatthebuckeyes said, this is a wonderful environment in which to be a law student. 
 
Weather:  I'm from NY.  The weather is sub-optimal there, too.  In fact, I've found it a little unnerving - the climate is essentially the SAME as that of upstate NY (where I went to undergrad and grad school.)  It's beautiful in the spring, summer and autumn.  It's grey and cold in the winter.  We'll take you shopping for winter gear.  You'll live. 

Cell phone: I have Verizon, and I've never had an issue at all.  This seems to be the most common carrier (which is also nice, as all of my friends are free in-network calls.)  Can't really speak to T-Mobile or any of the others. 

I think I've talked quite a bit about why I chose Michigan, as have many of my colleagues, so it may be worth skimming the earlier pages of the thread.  What I will say is that applying here was nearly an afterthought.  I had a lifelong NYer's bias against the midwest and had never really thought about living or studying in Michigan.  What can I say?  There's something truly special about this community and I think it shows at all levels - the physical environment, the administration, the faculty, the student body...  I also think that there's a certain self-selection that influences the makeup of the student body.  Dean Zearfoss does an amazing job of weeding out the tools, but I think that the people who ultimately decide to come here are making an affirmative statement about the atmosphere and relationships that they value.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: prolesurge on November 30, 2006, 06:11:28 PM
Tag

Not only because I was accepted, but because the Michigan propaganda is working so well that my girlfriend is accusing me of cheating on her.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on November 30, 2006, 06:14:17 PM
I was recently accepted to Michigan and its definately one of my top choices.  I'm considering deferring to Summer 08 for a variety of reasons.  Do you think I should still go to the admit weekend this spring?  Also, when should I request a deferral if that's what I decide I want to do?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 30, 2006, 11:51:21 PM
I'm gonna tackle a few of these, mostly because the closer I get to finals the less I want to work.  :D

So it's not just me?

Hells no.  Why did you think I started LSDing mid-November?

I think we're all afraid of failure.  Also, if we don't try, we can't really fail.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Rooster on December 01, 2006, 07:01:01 AM
What are my chances at Mich with the numbers in my signature, 1 year WE, summer start, and a good why Mich essay?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Base1548 on December 01, 2006, 08:27:21 AM
Thanks for answering my question awhile back Vapid.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ((A))P on December 01, 2006, 08:44:57 AM
It just so happens that I've got a little free time this weekend which coincides with the release of LSAT scores and the inevitable rush of threads about choosing a school.  So I'll take a few questions from anyone who is interested in finding out what Michigan is really like.  Here's the deal: you don't ask me about your chances of getting in (I'm not in charge of that), and I'll give you the honest scoop about anythng else (no trolling here).  Fire away.   

I really appreciate the folks who take the time to contribute to this thread. i was recently admitted to michigan which was my top choice school. i was not expecting to get in with my number, 163/3.9, but now the only thing that would hold me back is the price of tuition. does anyone think that i have a chance of receiving a merit scholarship at this point or are offers typically sent with the admission decision? (To get a feel for timing i was admitted around the 15th of november). i am asking partially because i want to write a letter to the dean of admissions explaining how much i would like to go to michigan but the only way i can is if some $$ comes my way, my other question is do you think its a good idea to write such a letter. additionaly i am taking the lsat dec 2nd. if my score breaks into the 170s will this give me more leverage in getting $$ or is that not taken into consideration. i know some may not feel qualified to speak to these questions definatively but maybe someone out there was in a similar stuation or knows of someone who was... thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on December 01, 2006, 09:52:57 AM
I really appreciate the folks who take the time to contribute to this thread. i was recently admitted to michigan which was my top choice school. i was not expecting to get in with my number, 163/3.9, but now the only thing that would hold me back is the price of tuition. does anyone think that i have a chance of receiving a merit scholarship at this point or are offers typically sent with the admission decision? (To get a feel for timing i was admitted around the 15th of november). i am asking partially because i want to write a letter to the dean of admissions explaining how much i would like to go to michigan but the only way i can is if some $$ comes my way, my other question is do you think its a good idea to write such a letter. additionaly i am taking the lsat dec 2nd. if my score breaks into the 170s will this give me more leverage in getting $$ or is that not taken into consideration. i know some may not feel qualified to speak to these questions definatively but maybe someone out there was in a similar stuation or knows of someone who was... thanks in advance.

I can't speak to merit scholarships in your particular context, but one thing that I did want to point out is that Michigan has been pretty generous with need-based grants.  I recieved as much in need-based aid from Michigan as I recieved in merit-aid from my safety schools (ranked ~40).  Interestingly, Michigan was also the only school to give me need-based aid (partly becuase my scholarships at other schools affected my need determination).  So even if you are unsuccessful getting a scholarship, you would be well served to go through the financial aid application process anyway.  You may end up finding that Michigan isn't much more expensive than other schools you are considering.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on December 01, 2006, 01:34:38 PM
What are my chances at Mich with the numbers in my signature, 1 year WE, summer start, and a good why Mich essay?

are you a URM?

If not then your odds are pretty low.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: beatthebuckeyes on December 01, 2006, 05:33:01 PM
If you are a URM or a resident, I think your chances are a little better- but it's likely that you won't get too much in terms of scholarships.  Michigan is generous, but pretty much all of their applicants have high grades and scores with many of them into the 170s.  If you get aid from other places you can always try to leverage...

Plus, the job opps are worth the price of tuition.

It took me until about late January to find out that I had a small merit scholarship if that helps at all.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on December 03, 2006, 12:16:42 PM
Bump...Back to the top!

Can't wait for the BCS announcements tonight...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on December 03, 2006, 01:52:46 PM
Bump...Back to the top!

Can't wait for the BCS announcements tonight...

when florida gets the number two spot?  ;) just kidding. i'm not sure if a rematch is the best thing, but i think it's fairly clear that michigan is the better team.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on December 03, 2006, 04:25:51 PM
Go Blues!! Florida's nonconference schedule was uber crappy and their loss is to a team ranked below them. And a rematch would be the wrong term for a game played on neutral ground, when Mich only lost by a field goal in a pretty high scoring game...on OSU's turf.

Its gonna be Florida-OSU...

Msnbc.com
Title: Housing ?'s
Post by: ocdb8r on December 04, 2006, 09:50:14 AM
Hey everyone....thanks to all who have contributed so much great info thus far. 

I'm going to be a summer starter and I have some housing questions.  I have been fanatically researching options online but seem to come across so much conflicting information. I'm hoping to get some advice from people actually "in the field."  Basically I'm looking for a one bedroom either close to campus or on a direct bus line (I'll have a car but don't want to deal with parking on a regular basis).  Something in an old Victorian House would be cool, otherwise I'm looking for a decent complex.  My questions are as follows:

Does anyone live in Ypsilanti?  Is this too far to live from campus?  I've found a few places that would be a 30-40 minute bus ride which is fine for me (reading time) but I don't want to be disconnected from the Law School scene living out in the boonies (if Ypsilanti is the boonies?).  The rent is also a bit more affordable.

What apartment complexes are decent?  I've found stuff like Evergreen, Spicetree, Pine Valley, Ann Arbor Woods...etc. but there seems to be so much conflicting information as to quality of life at these places.  Reports range from general praise to downright scary (stuff like "watch out for the drug using vagrants in the parking lots").  I know no where will have 100% good reviews but such divergence on opposite ends makes it really difficult to discern anything.

Any advice on where and when to start looking at sub-let options? 

Any advice is much appreciated!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on December 04, 2006, 11:10:35 AM
I'm not a housing authority, but I can tell you about my complex. I'm in Ironwood Place Apartments, which is on Huron Parkway north of Plymouth (north edge of town, kind of near the Family Housing apartments.)  My wife and I have really enjoyed it so far. The rent is more expensive than we're used to (coming from Oklahoma), but it's worth it to us. It's a small, quiet, grad-student filled complex with a good landlord. It's about 3 or 4 miles from downtown, so it's easy to get to by car if you want to have dinner or go shopping. To get to school, I drive about a mile to a parking lot on Huron and then take a 30-40 minute bus ride from there. It's been doable, and the bus ride is a small price to pay for the quiet apartment.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ChazRein on December 04, 2006, 11:15:01 AM
In regards to your housing question.  When I was looking for apartments last summer, I checked out some apartments in Yipsi, I wasnt too impressed and Yipsi in general is more run down than Ann Arbor. (also your car insurance is more expensive with a Yipsi address)  I looked at several of the places you mentioned (Pine Valley and Ann Arbor Woods) these were both nice.  I ended up picking neither, instead going with Traver Knoll Apartments.  Its near north campus about (2 miles from the law school) and on the bus line to the law school.  Its mostly graduate students, and has no problem with crime to my knowledge.  I like the fact that the apartments were really large and relatively cheap, expecially considering rent includes water and heat which can get pricy in the winter.  If your looking for a complex its not a bad choice.      
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: class2010 on December 04, 2006, 11:21:51 AM
Housing right near campus for the summer is really a renter's market. There'll be students willing to sublet their apartments at MUCH less than the amount they pay for it during the school year. I would recommend not worrying too much about it now, or even until spring if you're going to visit. You'll easily find a sublet for the summer (the law school sends a list of current students looking to sublet) and then can decide whether you want to stay within walking distance or are OK with taking the bus from Ypsi when you're here over the summer.

There's also plenty of old Victorian houses within walking distance. There are probably more available starting with September leases than May leases, but there will be those too. housing.umich.edu is a place that has listings of off campus rentals.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on December 04, 2006, 02:28:11 PM
It's about 3 or 4 miles from downtown, so it's easy to get to by car if you want to have dinner or go shopping. To get to school, I drive about a mile to a parking lot on Huron and then take a 30-40 minute bus ride from there. It's been doable, and the bus ride is a small price to pay for the quiet apartment.

I am also looking into housing and am not familiar with the area.  How far is the bus ride that takes 30-40 minutes?  It sounds like you are very close to the school.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on December 04, 2006, 06:29:55 PM
Hi Guys and Gals.  I figure you guys are going to be busy studying for finals for weeks but my question will be waiting whenever you have a free moment.  Once again, thanks for all this great information!

I see many threads/topics about the UM employment opportunities outside the state but what about in Michigan and even more specifically, in Ann Arbor and Detroit?  Since UM is a top school, do the UM candidates get first pickins, so to speak, of the local jobs, or is the competition pretty equal with other in-state schools?  The reason I ask is because if I move to AA for school, I will most likely end up settling in the Michigan area.  My kids will be in school in AA and as long as I don't hate the area, which I am sure I won't, I will most likely not want to uproot them again so quickly.

Hello, not to interject against MI or anything, but I would recommend looking at Ave Maria if I were you. The school does great in MI, top bar results all the time. Also, it places well in the AA and Detroit area and the area right around the school, AA in general is rather nice and the school itself is family friendly. I don't know what you're looking for necessarily in a law school, but I would check it out if I were you.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on December 04, 2006, 06:35:20 PM
Apologies if this has been covered already, but how is cell phone service in Ann Arbor?  I presently use T-Mobile, wondering if I should switch to Cingular for better coverage.  What carrier do you use? Thanks.

hey there, I use T-Mobile and get great service out here.
Title: Re: Housing ?'s
Post by: ImVinny! on December 04, 2006, 06:41:44 PM
Hey everyone....thanks to all who have contributed so much great info thus far. 

I'm going to be a summer starter and I have some housing questions.  I have been fanatically researching options online but seem to come across so much conflicting information. I'm hoping to get some advice from people actually "in the field."  Basically I'm looking for a one bedroom either close to campus or on a direct bus line (I'll have a car but don't want to deal with parking on a regular basis).  Something in an old Victorian House would be cool, otherwise I'm looking for a decent complex.  My questions are as follows:

Does anyone live in Ypsilanti?  Is this too far to live from campus?  I've found a few places that would be a 30-40 minute bus ride which is fine for me (reading time) but I don't want to be disconnected from the Law School scene living out in the boonies (if Ypsilanti is the boonies?).  The rent is also a bit more affordable.

What apartment complexes are decent?  I've found stuff like Evergreen, Spicetree, Pine Valley, Ann Arbor Woods...etc. but there seems to be so much conflicting information as to quality of life at these places.  Reports range from general praise to downright scary (stuff like "watch out for the drug using vagrants in the parking lots").  I know no where will have 100% good reviews but such divergence on opposite ends makes it really difficult to discern anything.

Any advice on where and when to start looking at sub-let options? 

Any advice is much appreciated!

Village Green, WIndemere Park, Green Briar are all within a safe distance and are great places to live. Also Hunt Club, but it's a little further away.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on December 04, 2006, 06:56:29 PM
In regards to your housing question.  When I was looking for apartments last summer, I checked out some apartments in Yipsi, I wasnt too impressed and Yipsi in general is more run down than Ann Arbor. (also your car insurance is more expensive with a Yipsi address)  I looked at several of the places you mentioned (Pine Valley and Ann Arbor Woods) these were both nice.  I ended up picking neither, instead going with Traver Knoll Apartments.  Its near north campus about (2 miles from the law school) and on the bus line to the law school.  Its mostly graduate students, and has no problem with crime to my knowledge.  I like the fact that the apartments were really large and relatively cheap, expecially considering rent includes water and heat which can get pricy in the winter.  If your looking for a complex its not a bad choice.      

I'd also agree that Traver Ridge is a good place to live.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on December 05, 2006, 04:36:49 PM
well, considering it's really cold here right now, well comparative to FL or something, no AC doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on December 05, 2006, 04:46:24 PM
ok, that's better, lol.

Are you going to come to UMich then, or do you still have more apps out and more choices to make?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on December 05, 2006, 04:56:03 PM
I would agree because then you can see the student-teacher dynamic of the school. Also can see what kinds of people will be your classmates, maybe meet some people that can help you out in the future too.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: xk on December 05, 2006, 09:13:31 PM
I tried asking in another thread, but what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of visiting on an Admit Student Weekend?  Would I perhaps get a better sense of what the school is really like visiting on my own?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 06, 2006, 10:50:08 AM
I apologize to the prospectives in advance, because I don't have the time or wherewithal to post anything of substance right now.  Just needed to brag a bit more about my school. 

So...finals start in a week (which explains the overall quiet in the peanut gallery.)  And I'm in NY right now (which, for the geographically challenged, is NOT where the University of Michigan Law School is located.)  I had to head home to deal with a bit of a family emergency, and this is obviously a less-than-ideal time.  The school has been unbelievably supportive.  I first met with the dean of student services, who basically said, "go be with your family, and whatever you need we'll do."  All of my profs have been amazing too.  They all said not to worry about the finals right now, and they've each emailed me at least once to offer support.  I can't explain how much more stressful this would be if my school wasn't being understanding. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 06, 2006, 02:06:31 PM
So I'm procrastinating from working on my moot court problem (not to mention my exam studying...) and thought I'd see how things in this thread are.  Here are a few thoughts I have.

Housing:  I happened into a lucky situation where I was able to buy an affordable condo with my partner.  He teaches full-time so that's how we can pay for it, though honestly it's actually fairly comparable with rents for a 2-bed place.  Anyway I live really near Traver Knoll apartments so you've already heard some about the area.  I walk about 10 minutes to the bus stop, ride for 15-20 minutes, and then walk another 5-10 minutes to the law school.  So my commute is about 30 minutes total.  I live closer to school than Soonertbone, though not by much.  Anyway, before we happened in this great condo opportunity (Ann Arbor has an inclusive housing ordinance so new developments have to set aside affordable units for first-time buyers under the median income of the city... no more units in my condo village but if you want to buy then look for new developments here)... we were very much considering Ypsi.  It is less well-kept than Ann Arbor but rents are far cheaper and some areas are pretty quaint.  Few students live out there from what I can tell, but it's not out of the question by any means.  Check bus routes to see if the schedules are workable though because many 1Ls have class at 8am or as late as 5:30pm so you want to make sure you can travel by bus (or rent a parking space - see my thing on cars).

Cars: You can rent parking spaces if you live on campus (or whereever you live if you want to drive to school).  While it can be expensive, if you look hard you can get lucky.  I personally didn't feel the need to rent a space, and the few times I've driven to class I just parked in a public parking lot or structure nearby (evidently in Michigan we call them parking structures, it's a ramp in Wisconin and a garage in NC, fyi).  Anyway if you would like to live in the Lawyers Club, I think most of those students who have cars rent parking spaces around downtown so I am sure there are students who can point you in the right direction to find a place to park.

Placing in Michigan: Not many UM Law students stay in state after law school... but if you choose to do so then it's totally reasonable to find a job.  I may stay if my partner wants to keep his job or go to grad school here.  There are good legal positions in Ann Arbor, Ypsi, Lansing, Detroit - really they actually love to hire Michigan grads... probably over many other Michigan schools.  Ave Maria is well, not as good of a school as Michigan.  They are ABA accredited as of August 2005 so it's not like you should not go there... but if you are a graduate of Michigan Law then I think you'll probably do better in the job market in Michigan.  We just have many, many students who want to go work in NY, DC, San Francisco, etc so we have lower placement in Michigan.  We also have a lower bar passage rate because many of the students staying in Michigan are at the bottom of our class - that doesn't mean you should only stay in Michigan if you are at the bottom of the class at UM.  In fact I know a 2L who is surely top half, though probably near the top of his class, who plans to stay in Michigan for his family - he has great options.  Okay, so yes if you come to Michigan Law you can stay in Michigan to work and find an excellent job. 

Finally, a word to Jolie - call if you need anything... really, anything. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 06, 2006, 03:35:51 PM
So I'm procrastinating from working on my moot court problem (not to mention my exam studying...) and thought I'd see how things in this thread are.  Here are a few thoughts I have.

Housing:  I happened into a lucky situation where I was able to buy an affordable condo with my partner.  He teaches full-time so that's how we can pay for it, though honestly it's actually fairly comparable with rents for a 2-bed place.  Anyway I live really near Traver Knoll apartments so you've already heard some about the area.  I walk about 10 minutes to the bus stop, ride for 15-20 minutes, and then walk another 5-10 minutes to the law school.  So my commute is about 30 minutes total.  I live closer to school than Soonertbone, though not by much.  Anyway, before we happened in this great condo opportunity (Ann Arbor has an inclusive housing ordinance so new developments have to set aside affordable units for first-time buyers under the median income of the city... no more units in my condo village but if you want to buy then look for new developments here)... we were very much considering Ypsi.  It is less well-kept than Ann Arbor but rents are far cheaper and some areas are pretty quaint.  Few students live out there from what I can tell, but it's not out of the question by any means.  Check bus routes to see if the schedules are workable though because many 1Ls have class at 8am or as late as 5:30pm so you want to make sure you can travel by bus (or rent a parking space - see my thing on cars).

Cars: You can rent parking spaces if you live on campus (or whereever you live if you want to drive to school).  While it can be expensive, if you look hard you can get lucky.  I personally didn't feel the need to rent a space, and the few times I've driven to class I just parked in a public parking lot or structure nearby (evidently in Michigan we call them parking structures, it's a ramp in Wisconin and a garage in NC, fyi).  Anyway if you would like to live in the Lawyers Club, I think most of those students who have cars rent parking spaces around downtown so I am sure there are students who can point you in the right direction to find a place to park.

Placing in Michigan: Not many UM Law students stay in state after law school... but if you choose to do so then it's totally reasonable to find a job.  I may stay if my partner wants to keep his job or go to grad school here.  There are good legal positions in Ann Arbor, Ypsi, Lansing, Detroit - really they actually love to hire Michigan grads... probably over many other Michigan schools.  Ave Maria is well, not as good of a school as Michigan.  They are ABA accredited as of August 2005 so it's not like you should not go there... but if you are a graduate of Michigan Law then I think you'll probably do better in the job market in Michigan.  We just have many, many students who want to go work in NY, DC, San Francisco, etc so we have lower placement in Michigan.  We also have a lower bar passage rate because many of the students staying in Michigan are at the bottom of our class - that doesn't mean you should only stay in Michigan if you are at the bottom of the class at UM.  In fact I know a 2L who is surely top half, though probably near the top of his class, who plans to stay in Michigan for his family - he has great options.  Okay, so yes if you come to Michigan Law you can stay in Michigan to work and find an excellent job. 

Finally, a word to Jolie - call if you need anything... really, anything. 


Thanks for the advice about Michigan placement, that is good to know.    I live in Oklahoma currently and the only way I am moving is to attend a Top 10 school so Ave Maria is not even an option.  I will attend the Tier 4 college where I currently live if I cannot get into a school that will allow me national placement.  This is mainly because even though I love Oklahoma, its not exactly a booming market for my husband's career so if he were to lose his current job (which allows him to work from almost any major city), there is a good possibility that we would need to move anyway.  I want to have the academic "pedigree", so to speak, so that I can get a good job wherever he needs to, if necessary.  Michigan is definitely my top choice because of all the great things I've heard and because its a desirable geographic location for us in several ways, especially in comparison to the other top schools.

Sorry to ramble - My main point is:  THANKS again for the info.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ImVinny! on December 06, 2006, 04:44:26 PM
So I've been thinking a lot about the transfer question. i was thinking since my husband works here in Mich that maybe UM might be a good transfer for me. What's the situation on transfers? Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 06, 2006, 06:48:49 PM
I tried asking in another thread, but what do you think are the advantages and disadvantages of visiting on an Admit Student Weekend?  Would I perhaps get a better sense of what the school is really like visiting on my own?  Thanks.

I'm not sure if I can give you the advantages/disadvantages of visiting on ASW, as opposed to on your own, since I only came during ASW. There will be a lot of events that all schools will have, including 1L panels, faculty panels, clerkship/academic panels, OCS panels, basement group desserts (i.e. clubs), along with a bar night at Rick's and the Phid House (law school frat) party. You'll get to do a mock class usually with one of our most awesome professors on torts or something cool. There is an old thread here on the board somewhere where many of us at UMich went through our thoughts about ASW, Ann Arbor, our fellow admits, etc. A good thing about it is that it's sort of like one-stop shopping. You can chat with professors, hear from fellow students, get "cold-called" in class, look at Dean Caminker, all in the safety of this little world of admitted students who may or may not end up coming and being your classmates. If you come on your own, you can sit in on an actual class, populated by people who actually go to the law school. You also may be able to meet with people like Dean Zearfoss and others personally, which you probably won't be able to do during ASW. Those are just my thoughts. Oh, and some people actually decide on housing and stuff at ASW.

Jolie, I echo our friend thenextstep, let me know if you need anything!!! :-*
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on December 06, 2006, 06:52:18 PM
NextStep,

Can you talk about the Darrow?  I would not be so presumptuous as to think I'll be receiving one, but I did receive an invite to apply today and wanted to know more about it now that there is a (slight) possibility I'll get it.  Any info you can supply would be very helpful.  Thanks so much.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 06, 2006, 09:54:13 PM
Congrats on the invite to apply!

So I don't know much about Darrow selection... didn't even know it existed until I got the invite to apply.  I wrote the essay, had people edit it, and heard really quickly about it.  I think I was the first on LSD to hear they received the Darrow last year, but they do the invites on a rolling basis (presumably so the meetings of the selection committee are not as long).  Greatest Christmas present I've gotten!  I think there are people who get less than the full Darrow, but if you get the full thing it's tuition for all three years plus a 1L summer stipend that is generous.  I cannot explain how excited I was to receive it and how honored/lucky I feel basically everyday.  But outside of the very few people I've told and the LSD community, most people don't know I have it or who the Darrows are (heck, even I don't know).  It is basically a scholarship to woo people from HYS to Michigan from what I've heard, can't speak from experience there.  Does that answer your/others questions?  Basically if you get an invite, apply... it may make your mind for you (basically did for me).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on December 07, 2006, 06:06:24 AM
Congrats on the invite to apply!

So I don't know much about Darrow selection... didn't even know it existed until I got the invite to apply.  I wrote the essay, had people edit it, and heard really quickly about it.  I think I was the first on LSD to hear they received the Darrow last year, but they do the invites on a rolling basis (presumably so the meetings of the selection committee are not as long).  Greatest Christmas present I've gotten!  I think there are people who get less than the full Darrow, but if you get the full thing it's tuition for all three years plus a 1L summer stipend that is generous.  I cannot explain how excited I was to receive it and how honored/lucky I feel basically everyday.  But outside of the very few people I've told and the LSD community, most people don't know I have it or who the Darrows are (heck, even I don't know).  It is basically a scholarship to woo people from HYS to Michigan from what I've heard, can't speak from experience there.  Does that answer your/others questions?  Basically if you get an invite, apply... it may make your mind for you (basically did for me).

Thanks for the info about Darrows.  Do you know much about other merit aid and how that is dispersed?  I don't think I'm Darrow material but it would be nice to get some form of a scholarship. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 07, 2006, 06:14:39 AM
I don't know much about how other merit aid is given out - though there's a good chunk of people who get it.  I think there are grants that are close to but not quite 1/2 tuition for merit.  Also, there are lots of need based grants that are somewhat tied to merit (and need based only grants too).  Not sure exactly how it works, but just make sure you have financial aid materials in ASAP after the new year (get your parents to do their taxes as soon as they can too). 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on December 10, 2006, 02:03:24 PM
buh-ump
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: berto on December 10, 2006, 04:43:13 PM
Thanks for all the great info. Here's a few more questions

Interdisciplinarity is popular nowadays, right? What's it like at UM? Does anybody take courses from philosophy, for example? UM has a top dept.

Do you know many students with PhDs? How common is this in your class?

How big of a deal is residency? What kind of boost to MI residents get?




Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on December 10, 2006, 07:37:56 PM
I'm not too sure if this has been addressed already but...

How is the summer job search for 1L's at Michigan?  Is anyone looking for a firm job?  About how many 1L's get a firm job?  Thanks for the info and good luck to everyone on your finals!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 11, 2006, 07:01:56 AM
About 1 in 6 fall starters have a graduate degree of some sort.  My guess is that most of that is masters but there definitely are a good number of PhDs in the mix.  There are lots of dual degree people, though I don't know of anyone doing a degree with philosophy.  You can either do a dual degree they set up already (there are 14) or set up your own if you like.  Also you can take classes outside of the law school without doing a dual degree (I think around 9 credits - so 3 classes).  I think they tell us that about 25% of the class is made up of residents and it is definitely easier to get in as a resident, but the difference is not as huge as many other public schools.  From what I can tell, there's no stigma or anything for being instate at all. 

The summer job search... well I've basically not started because I'm not looking for a firm job.  But it seems most 1Ls get the type of job they want though some have to go to a different place or send out more resumes than they thought.  I heard most people looking for 1L firm work send out around 70 resumes.  Getting a summer clerkship with a judge is far easier from Michigan - one student I know sent out 150 resumes because she thought it would be hard to find a spot and got 100 callbacks.  Turns out you shouldn't cast such a wide net probably!  It's not a problem getting a 1L job from Michigan at all, it's just that some places don't hire 1Ls and others only take 1 or 2 so it's competitive.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on December 11, 2006, 04:28:53 PM
I'm not in the law school (but I hope to be in 2008!), but I've been at the University of Michigan for more than 4 years for grad school, so I can help a little with questions about housing and Ann Arbor.
I know some people who live in Huron Towers, and they seem to like it fine.  It's convenient to get to Central Campus from there because you can walk a few minutes and catch either a school or city bus.  Michigan has a good housing website (http://www.housing.umich.edu/) where you can look up on- and off-campus housing options, search for a roommate, sublet, etc.  If you're just looking for a short-term summer option before starting a fall lease somewhere, I'd wait until April/May because many people need to find subletters and there'll be plenty of cheap options then.  Hope this helps and that your move to Ann Arbor goes smoothly!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 14, 2006, 08:37:36 PM
bump bump bump!

We can't go to page 2!!! And soonertbone wants someone to write about something!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on December 14, 2006, 08:41:43 PM
Shouldn't soonertbone be studying?



Shouldn't I be studying? 




 :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 14, 2006, 08:45:08 PM
I have a question, but first, are finals over yet for all of you 1L's?  I figure at this point we won't hear from you again until your finals are out of the way.

Anyway, I have a weather-related question.  How are allergies up there?  If any of you have allergies or know people there who have allergies, do they seem to be bothered a lot or are there relatively few allergy triggers in the air there?  (My 3 yr old son's got allergy-induced asthma)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 14, 2006, 08:50:37 PM
I just got into Mich!! I have to read this thread from start to finish now :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on December 14, 2006, 08:51:04 PM
I have a question, but first, are finals over yet for all of you 1L's?  I figure at this point we won't hear from you again until your finals are out of the way.

Anyway, I have a weather-related question.  How are allergies up there?  If any of you have allergies or know people there who have allergies, do they seem to be bothered a lot or are there relatively few allergy triggers in the air there?  (My 3 yr old son's got allergy-induced asthma)

Finals started yesterday.  We end next Thursday.  I don't have allergies, but my SO and I both got very sick when we first moved here in the summer, which some people attributed to "allergy season."  Hopefully someone with more experience on this issue will jump in, but my gut feeling is spring/summer will be bad (depending on where you live, there is a lot of diverse vegitation). 


I just got into Mich!! I have to read this thread form start to finish now :)

Yes you do.  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on December 15, 2006, 08:16:57 AM
I'm allergic to pollen and dust, and I've been fine here.  I used to have terrible allergies in NY (where I grew up) and NC (where I did my undergrad), but haven't had any problems in Michigan.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 15, 2006, 08:42:25 AM
Anyway, I have a weather-related question.  How are allergies up there?  If any of you have allergies or know people there who have allergies, do they seem to be bothered a lot or are there relatively few allergy triggers in the air there?  (My 3 yr old son's got allergy-induced asthma)

So my partner has more allergies than most families put together... and it's actually been relatively fine here.  He's allergic to dust, pollen, mold, mildew, trees, weeds, fluffy and furry animals, etc. (plus food and medicines).  We're from NC though so the basepoint of outdoor allergies is pretty high.  Not sure what allergen triggers your son's asthma, but my partner's asthma has been more under control here than in either NC or WI though on the same treatment.  But anytime you move, it gets worse for at least a month as you encounter new allergens.  Once that settled down though, it seems a bit better here than where we've been before.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 15, 2006, 03:41:48 PM
Anyway, I have a weather-related question.  How are allergies up there?  If any of you have allergies or know people there who have allergies, do they seem to be bothered a lot or are there relatively few allergy triggers in the air there?  (My 3 yr old son's got allergy-induced asthma)

So my partner has more allergies than most families put together... and it's actually been relatively fine here.  He's allergic to dust, pollen, mold, mildew, trees, weeds, fluffy and furry animals, etc. (plus food and medicines).  We're from NC though so the basepoint of outdoor allergies is pretty high.  Not sure what allergen triggers your son's asthma, but my partner's asthma has been more under control here than in either NC or WI though on the same treatment.  But anytime you move, it gets worse for at least a month as you encounter new allergens.  Once that settled down though, it seems a bit better here than where we've been before.

Thanks for the information.  We live in Tulsa which I read somewhere is ranked as one of the worst places in the U.S. for allergies, so hopefully Ann Arbor will be a big improvement.  (I'm saying this with crossed fingers as I haven't been accepted yet)


Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: sillyberry on December 15, 2006, 06:59:09 PM
This thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy.  And to think, I only applied to Michigan completely as an afterthought.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Brito on December 15, 2006, 07:01:48 PM
This thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy.  And to think, I only applied to Michigan completely as an afterthought.

I didn't originally plan to apply, but now when people ask me where I'm going, the answer of the week is, "Maybe Virginia or Michigan."  This thread makes me happy about that.

The viewbook listed a student organization called DICTA, something about a literary society for law students, I think.  Does anyone know anything about this?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 15, 2006, 07:43:18 PM
This thread makes me feel warm and fuzzy.  And to think, I only applied to Michigan completely as an afterthought.

Same.  I mean, I was thinking about it.  Once I found the waiver that sealed it--and I loved Dean Zearfoss's orginal note with the viewbook and notification of the waiver.  After my own research and hearing people on LSD rave about it--and now after having been accepted and have finished watching the dvd with interviews and the virtual tour, I seriously have a warm feeling for Mich.  It is now in my top 3.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 16, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
I only applied to Michigan because of a fee waiver, and here I am...studying for my contracts exam at Michigan.  Come visit and keep asking questions as you think of them!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 16, 2006, 05:49:26 PM
Ok.  I'm not about sharing a bathroom anymore...but, the idea of living in the Lawyer's Club keeps popping up into my head.  Anyone know what the singles are like?  Spacious enough?  Since it would be nearly impossible as a 1L to get the singles suite, I need to know about the singles.  And--I suppose, if anyone knows anything about the doubles let me know too.

Also, what are the bathrooms like?  Same as ug basically? What about the kitchen?  And how is the food in the LC dinning hall?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 16, 2006, 06:33:39 PM
I've got nothing on the Lawyer's Club or PhiD House other than that most people who live in both don't regret it.  Some choose to move to an apartment but I know a 3L living in the laywer's club after living off campus last year.  Just depends on what you want I guess.  I don't know if anyone responding on this thread lives in either place - I think we're all off campus.  But maybe someone knows someone who can help with your questions?  Plus there will be information sent to incoming students on current students who can answer housing questions. 

As for the housing/rental market - I think you can find many more leases opening up in the fall than summer but my sources say there are a good number of leases in early May.  Bigger complexes will probably have openings most times or be willing to work with you.  That said, I got the impression that most summer starters sublet for the summer (often from a rising 2L or 3L) and then move at the end of the summer to a permanent place.  You also may be able to find a graduating 3L who wants to get out of A2 at the beginning of the summer who you can sublet from and then renew the lease yourself.  There are lots of creative options.

Right so I should really be doing contracts for real this time... 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on December 17, 2006, 08:48:25 AM
I currently live in phid and it is freeekin sweet.  love it.  Perfect balance.  There is a kitchen (LC otoh has a required meal plan) so if you like to cook that is a plus.  We have cheap parking, which also can be an issue if you live in LC.  Phid is also right by the law quad, takes literally a min to walk there. Plus, there's just a lot of good people that live here.  I have torts exam tomorrow (yes!!!) and I have gotten so much help and support from the older phids...its really amazing.  We have a phid-brary~ full of books.  the older phiddies will let you know what combo of notes/HB/outline you should work on for each combo of class/prof, and they have the outlines too.  plus, if you need tutoring, they are on call 24/7  :D ~  Seriously though, its def nice living with a few people who are on law review!!

Most importantly though, its a lot of fun to live here.  Law school is a lot of work, but I have definately enjoyed chilling out with the phids.  The older ones have been through 1L and are very laid back - great attitude and always willing to offer some perspective.  We go to hockey, football, baseball, basketball games, play racquetball, tennis, bowling, soccer, hockey & lots more...mmmm, phid.  love it.  Plus, the phid 1L's just kickass.  you definately want to live with us~ 

when you visit michigan be sure to check it out - thats the only way to know for sure.  I know during the admit weekends phid always hosts an event but if you cant make it to that just drop by any time and meet some of the people & look around.  there is a short app you need to do if you want to live here.  more info can be found here: http://www.phidhouse.org/

thats all for now, good luck everybody w/ the cycle  :)

ps - if there are any hockey players applying to mich, send me a note.  I am playing on a few diff teams including UM club inline, Mlaw, and ambulance chasers city league.  if you are interested in this type of stuff, pm me.  on the whole though I can tell ya now, mich is best t14 for hockey.  trust me  ;D

aight, back to work  :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2006, 09:18:23 AM
Just had to pop in to say that sweeny's message made me feel all warm and fuzzy and really really homesick for my friends in Ann Arbor - thanks, love! 

All in all, my Michigan connections have been wonderful through this very stressful time.  (For the uninitiated, I had to leave school on about 5 minutes' notice two weeks ago.  I'm stilled marooned in Jersey, of all places.)  The administration has backed me 100% and is allowing me to reschedule all of my exams.  The profs have been kind and understanding and have all sent personal messages of support.  And my friends have been incredible - so many of my colleagues have offered to do anything they can for me, even though they're all in exams, too.  I'd like to believe that I'd find a similar response at other schools but I'm not convinced that I would.

Congrats to Moni Li and Miss Celies Blues and all of the recent admits (I apologize that I don't remember more names offhand  :P.)  Believe me, I know how you're feeling.  I applied to Michigan as an afterthought too, and now I'm one of their biggest, dorkiest promoters!  I wouldn't trade it for anywhere else. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on December 17, 2006, 09:40:46 AM
Jolie! good to hear from you! hopefully everything is going ok despite the circumstances! always let us know if you need anything :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 17, 2006, 09:48:41 AM
Sweeny, I adore you!!! (Jolie told me to check out this thread 'cause you wrote in it and she knows I can't resist you).Can't wait to party on Thursday at the Phid House!!!

Phid House throws the sweetest parties at UMich...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on December 17, 2006, 09:54:11 AM
hahah smiley!! <3!!  look at us not studying :)  these kiddos are prolly like..."what the hell are these people doing on lsd, they have a bloody exam tomorrow!!!"



...do as we say, not as we do....


 :D


..and oh yah - phid party.  nuff said  8)    

(gonna be sweeeeet smiley!!!)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 17, 2006, 10:34:06 AM
I love how we are all not studying for our exam tomorrow... fun times!  I promise I will be later =)  Anyway I think one of the best things about Michigan has been how exams are handled - free breakfast provided each morning and their flexibility for people's extenuating circumstances (from family emergencies to simply scheduling your flight home on the wrong day accidentally).  I mean not that exams are a party or anything, but it's less cold and harsh from profs and administrators than I thought it would be this time of year.  Maybe I was just pessimistic but still, I've been pleasantly surprised.  Ha, though exams aren't fun.... 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on December 17, 2006, 12:00:21 PM
Oddly enough, for somone who's not a law student, I've been in the Lawyer's Club and eaten at the dining hall there quite a few times.  I had several good friends from high school and college who came to law school here, so I got to see their rooms and they'd treat me to meals.  The singles are definitely spacious and nice.  I lived in the graduate student dorms my first year at Michigan and got stuck in an 8' x 11' single.  Michigan definitely takes much better care of their professional students!  I've been in three different singles in the LC, and all were double or triple the size of the room I had to live in.  The bathrooms are pretty tiny, though, (with small shower stalls) and not always on every floor.  Also, the food at the dining hall is pretty good.  There's a salad and sandwich bar always, and then they rotate the hot meals.  For anyone that's on a diet, they include the nutritional info of everything (which is sometimes scary!).  I think the best part about living there would be that you're literally a minute's walk away from everything (which is especially nice in the winter), and you don't have to sign a full-year lease and worry about trying to find subletters in the summer for when you're away.  Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on December 17, 2006, 12:19:07 PM
Hey, there's breakfast tomorrow? Sweet!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on December 17, 2006, 01:10:19 PM
Hey Gengis :) good to see you have some interest in phid! first of all, as a general rule of thumb phid has few rules regarding how you use/furnish your own room (aside from the standard norms of conduct, at least~).  So no, you are not required to use the supplied bed or mattress.  In fact, several people use diff ones, though you certainly dont have to.  Sizes..hrm I want to say they are twins.  the bed itself is the standard dorm-size bed, so yeah, going with twin here! 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 17, 2006, 01:17:34 PM
Oddly enough, for somone who's not a law student, I've been in the Lawyer's Club and eaten at the dining hall there quite a few times.  I had several good friends from high school and college who came to law school here, so I got to see their rooms and they'd treat me to meals.  The singles are definitely spacious and nice.  I lived in the graduate student dorms my first year at Michigan and got stuck in an 8' x 11' single.  Michigan definitely takes much better care of their professional students!  I've been in three different singles in the LC, and all were double or triple the size of the room I had to live in.  The bathrooms are pretty tiny, though, (with small shower stalls) and not always on every floor.  Also, the food at the dining hall is pretty good.  There's a salad and sandwich bar always, and then they rotate the hot meals.  For anyone that's on a diet, they include the nutritional info of everything (which is sometimes scary!).  I think the best part about living there would be that you're literally a minute's walk away from everything (which is especially nice in the winter), and you don't have to sign a full-year lease and worry about trying to find subletters in the summer for when you're away.  Hope this helps!

This was very helpful!! Thanks a lot.

So since Gengis mentioned Phid, I looked it up myself and it seems pretty nice.  AND it's not that expensive.  Is it worth it to live in LC for the meal plan--I ask this bc I'm not domestic at all and can't even cook :D (though I plan to learn b4 I go to ls).  That's the draw of the LC for me, meal plan.  But saving the money and cooking myself (as long as I don't poison myself) is a draw too.

It seems that the Phid house is small--exactly how hard is it to get a room there if you really want it?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on December 17, 2006, 01:37:16 PM
I'm not sure what the average cost per meal is, so I can't really say whether it's economical, but there are plenty of other food options (at all price points) within walking distance of the Law School, so you don't have to worry that you have to either eat at the dining hall or bring your own food.  My first year, the kitchen in my dorm wasn't very nice (and people had the bad habit of stealing food), so I never used it and just got by on buying things to eat when I was on campus and using my microwave to heat up canned soup and frozen dinners at home.  It wasn't very glamorous, but at least I didn't starve or bankrupt myself!
   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on December 17, 2006, 01:40:01 PM
well phid house isn't toooo small (we can fit alot of people in here during our parties, at least~) but it is small in the sense that yes, only 25 people can live here (8ish per class).  Being a 1L I haven't been on the phid end of the app process yet, so can't say for sure what the standard of getting is quite exactly, but I can offer a few tips.  First, on the essay - try to do a good job while keeping it short and sweet. light humor is especially great if you can pull it off :) we love evidence of wit~ (or, I do at least ha!) Just remember that the 14-17 or so of us who will be here next year are just looking for a good reason why we would want to live with you & be your friend.  cause if you live here, ya gotta be our friend, of course ;)  Second, try to visit us and just as you learn about phid, let the phids get to know you a bit.  after getting in, one of the 3L's mentioned that visitng def helped my app since she was able to know a little bout me beyond the essay.  So as far as that part of it, just be yourself & give us a chance to get to know you via the essay and, if possible, a visit and you should be fine  :)  Really, we try to keep it fun & laid-back - we love ya guys already so dont worry bout it too much!! 


Also, it varies year to year how many people apply, of course.  So I really cant offer any appropriate odds numbers-wise, sorry!  Plus, there are some 2L or 3L's who apply too usually, so it always just depends.  But we always try to take 7-9 1L's to keep things balanced. 

anyways, that all is a bit jumbled and may or may not be useful but hopefully there's something glean-able out of all that  :P   I am just savin my true powers for the exam tomorrow  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on December 17, 2006, 02:28:42 PM
sure could :)  the rooms are of varying sizes, so it would take up correspondingly more space if you ended up w/ a smaller room.  that said, some of the rooms are very very generous size-wise and it wouldnt even be an issue.  however, me not knowing the actual size of your bed, it prob wouldn't hurt to visit and check out the size of the rooms to verify that you would be comfortable with the amount of space.  either that or the website might have specific sizes of the rooms.  in general though, the rooms are very nice for singles. 

and with that, I am gonna have to cut myself off from lsd for tonight!!

study study study  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 17, 2006, 03:11:27 PM
I know that housing was addressed in much earlier posts but I see more Michigan students offering input now, so I have a question.  I would like to find a condo or townhouse rental complex that is walking distance from the law quad.  If that's not possible I would like to find one that has a bus stop with a short hop to the campus.  The catch is that I really want to find one that has a basement.  (My husband is in love with the idea of having a basement since here in Tulsa noone has basements - too much water retention in the soil, I believe).  If anyone knows of any rental complexes that would fit these specfications, I would love to hear about them. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 17, 2006, 04:02:30 PM
I know that housing was addressed in much earlier posts but I see more Michigan students offering input now, so I have a question.  I would like to find a condo or townhouse rental complex that is walking distance from the law quad.  If that's not possible I would like to find one that has a bus stop with a short hop to the campus.  The catch is that I really want to find one that has a basement.  (My husband is in love with the idea of having a basement since here in Tulsa noone has basements - too much water retention in the soil, I believe).  If anyone knows of any rental complexes that would fit these specfications, I would love to hear about them. 

Thanks!

good question, though I don't care too much about a basement  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 17, 2006, 04:15:51 PM
There are places on bus routes that fit your description - check Pittsfield village for example (look on craigslist because they are condos so fewer for rent).  I am sure if you scour rental websites then you can find many more options.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 17, 2006, 06:43:14 PM
There are places on bus routes that fit your description - check Pittsfield village for example (look on craigslist because they are condos so fewer for rent).  I am sure if you scour rental websites then you can find many more options.

Thanks, I'll research Pittsfield Village.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 17, 2006, 08:01:07 PM
Oddly enough, for somone who's not a law student, I've been in the Lawyer's Club and eaten at the dining hall there quite a few times.  I had several good friends from high school and college who came to law school here, so I got to see their rooms and they'd treat me to meals.  The singles are definitely spacious and nice.  I lived in the graduate student dorms my first year at Michigan and got stuck in an 8' x 11' single.  Michigan definitely takes much better care of their professional students!  I've been in three different singles in the LC, and all were double or triple the size of the room I had to live in.  The bathrooms are pretty tiny, though, (with small shower stalls) and not always on every floor.  Also, the food at the dining hall is pretty good.  There's a salad and sandwich bar always, and then they rotate the hot meals.  For anyone that's on a diet, they include the nutritional info of everything (which is sometimes scary!).  I think the best part about living there would be that you're literally a minute's walk away from everything (which is especially nice in the winter), and you don't have to sign a full-year lease and worry about trying to find subletters in the summer for when you're away.  Hope this helps!

This was very helpful!! Thanks a lot.

So since Gengis mentioned Phid, I looked it up myself and it seems pretty nice.  AND it's not that expensive.  Is it worth it to live in LC for the meal plan--I ask this bc I'm not domestic at all and can't even cook :D (though I plan to learn b4 I go to ls).  That's the draw of the LC for me, meal plan.  But saving the money and cooking myself (as long as I don't poison myself) is a draw too.

It seems that the Phid house is small--exactly how hard is it to get a room there if you really want it?

I have never actually eaten at the LC, but just to offer another side of things from what littlev posted, most of my 1L friends are really unhappy with the food on the meal plan. Several of my section-mates have said repeatedly that the only thing they can eat each day is the salad bar. Also, the hours are a bit restrictive, so this semester, we had a class that went until 6. The LC dining room only stays open til 7, so if you stay after class to ask questions, or engage in discussion with your classmates, then you are really rushed or miss dinner. The dining room is not open on Saturdays or something (I could be totally wrong, but I'll check up on it this week and get back to you), so you basically have to go out that night. Some of my LC friends keep a big fridge/freezer combination in their rooms and just microwave stuff or things like that.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 17, 2006, 08:23:27 PM
Oddly enough, for somone who's not a law student, I've been in the Lawyer's Club and eaten at the dining hall there quite a few times.  I had several good friends from high school and college who came to law school here, so I got to see their rooms and they'd treat me to meals.  The singles are definitely spacious and nice.  I lived in the graduate student dorms my first year at Michigan and got stuck in an 8' x 11' single.  Michigan definitely takes much better care of their professional students!  I've been in three different singles in the LC, and all were double or triple the size of the room I had to live in.  The bathrooms are pretty tiny, though, (with small shower stalls) and not always on every floor.  Also, the food at the dining hall is pretty good.  There's a salad and sandwich bar always, and then they rotate the hot meals.  For anyone that's on a diet, they include the nutritional info of everything (which is sometimes scary!).  I think the best part about living there would be that you're literally a minute's walk away from everything (which is especially nice in the winter), and you don't have to sign a full-year lease and worry about trying to find subletters in the summer for when you're away.  Hope this helps!

This was very helpful!! Thanks a lot.

So since Gengis mentioned Phid, I looked it up myself and it seems pretty nice.  AND it's not that expensive.  Is it worth it to live in LC for the meal plan--I ask this bc I'm not domestic at all and can't even cook :D (though I plan to learn b4 I go to ls).  That's the draw of the LC for me, meal plan.  But saving the money and cooking myself (as long as I don't poison myself) is a draw too.

It seems that the Phid house is small--exactly how hard is it to get a room there if you really want it?

I have never actually eaten at the LC, but just to offer another side of things from what littlev posted, most of my 1L friends are really unhappy with the food on the meal plan. Several of my section-mates have said repeatedly that the only thing they can eat each day is the salad bar. Also, the hours are a bit restrictive, so this semester, we had a class that went until 6. The LC dining room only stays open til 7, so if you stay after class to ask questions, or engage in discussion with your classmates, then you are really rushed or miss dinner. The dining room is not open on Saturdays or something (I could be totally wrong, but I'll check up on it this week and get back to you), so you basically have to go out that night. Some of my LC friends keep a big fridge/freezer combination in their rooms and just microwave stuff or things like that.

smiley's right - I've heard nothing but bitching about the meal plans/dining in the Lawyer's Club.  I've actually eaten there, and the food is okay - not spectacular, not wretched.  As my grandfather would have said, it's food, isn't it?  But honestly, it's pretty typical dorm fare imo, and who wants that at this stage of life? 

Actually, I just posted a long diatribe about the LC in prolesurge's thread.  But please, our newly-admitted friends, I beg of you: take everything I say with a large grain of salt.  A salt lick, in fact.  I'm not sure that my opinion should count for much beyond amusement. ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Diecisiete on December 18, 2006, 01:40:03 AM
I got in on 12-07, but more importantly, I've read all 20 pages of this thread. There is some great material here.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on December 18, 2006, 07:02:39 AM
I probably should have added that the novelty of eating at the LC added somewhat to my enjoyment :)  I think that when you have to eat the same thing everyday, even if it's a gourmet 7-course meal, you get tired of it after a point.  My friends are pretty happy-go-lucky, so that's also probably why I didn't hear too much complaining from them.  Still, I think it's pretty nice to be able to have a one-minute commute to class by foot.  Some of the apartments within walking distance to campus are okay, but others are downright dumps, so the LC digs seemed all right to me.  I opted to live in a dorm my first year at Michigan not because I longed for communal bathrooms and cramped living spaces, but because I didn't want to commit to a year's lease without getting a feel for the town and the different living options first.  I moved out after the first year, but I'm still glad that I spent that time there.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on December 18, 2006, 07:33:58 AM
For others looking for condos/apartment complexes, a good site is the Arbor Web city guide: http://www.arborweb.com/apartmentsindex.html  It has maps of the apartment and condo complexes in the area, as well as information on individual complexes.  For more specifics on some complexes, including current listings, you can look at: http://www.annarborcondoconnection.com/
To see how accessible places are by bus, you can check out the Ann Arbor Transportation Authority ("The Ride") site: http://theride.org/ and look at their various routes. Students can ride the city buses for free by showing their student ids.  Good luck with everything!



Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 18, 2006, 01:51:42 PM
Jolie, what is this new picture about?  ???
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 18, 2006, 02:26:36 PM
For others looking for condos/apartment complexes, a good site is the Arbor Web city guide: http://www.arborweb.com/apartmentsindex.html  It has maps of the apartment and condo complexes in the area, as well as information on individual complexes.  For more specifics on some complexes, including current listings, you can look at: http://www.annarborcondoconnection.com/
To see how accessible places are by bus, you can check out the Ann Arbor Transportation Authority ("The Ride") site: http://theride.org/ and look at their various routes. Students can ride the city buses for free by showing their student ids.  Good luck with everything!







Great links!  Thanks!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 18, 2006, 05:34:08 PM
Jolie, what is this new picture about?  ???

Funny you should ask.  That's a screenshot from my alltime favorite movie (Until the End of the World.)  Just feeling frisky and wanted to shake things up, I guess. 

Hope Crim went well, btw!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: CE on December 18, 2006, 11:45:47 PM
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Quote from: Reach on November 17, 2006, 01:22:27 AM
I know this nothing to do with law school really, but it is related to Ann Arbor.  I used to live in places where it snowed a great deal and I would LOVE to go sledding again.  My (stupid) question:  Does Ann Arbor have hills or anything?

That really depends on what you consider hills, but the short answer is no.  I came from a VERY mountainous state, so Ann Arbor is frighteningly flat to me.  It's also a more-devoloped town than many people give it credit for, so within the city limits, I don't know of any parks where you would be able to sled in any meaningful way.  There may be some places just outside of town for that, but I'd have to do some research to know.


Oh but how could you forget about The Arb? Its a garden-park on campus near the University hospital. I grew up in Ann Arbor (and I now live in Colorado, so I get the mountainous state thing :)) and I also went to Umich for undergrad. In school, one of my friends broke her back "traying" in the Arb (aka, you steal a cafeteria tray and substitute it for a real sled--she's fine now but yeah, I wouldn't recommend it). Anyway, there is the flat peony-garden part of The Arb, but if you walk down the trails, it becomes this big open hilly place, and with a fresh blanket of snow, it is perfectly ripe for a sled...

VU is definitely correct in commenting that A2 is (typically midwestern) and generally flat as a board. But there are some hills, and just think, much of the year there is enough deep snowfall to make the sledding pretty worthwhile! ;)

Just catching up and chiming in, great thread! :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 19, 2006, 08:17:20 AM
Jolie, what is this new picture about?  ???

Funny you should ask.  That's a screenshot from my alltime favorite movie (Until the End of the World.)  Just feeling frisky and wanted to shake things up, I guess. 

Hope Crim went well, btw!

Oh, right, I remember hearing about this movie.
Crim was...well, it just kind of was...
Now onto the big one, civ pro!
I'll see you tomorrow at the airport, right?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: mudpies on December 19, 2006, 05:28:08 PM
sure could :)  the rooms are of varying sizes, so it would take up correspondingly more space if you ended up w/ a smaller room.  that said, some of the rooms are very very generous size-wise and it wouldnt even be an issue.  however, me not knowing the actual size of your bed, it prob wouldn't hurt to visit and check out the size of the rooms to verify that you would be comfortable with the amount of space.  either that or the website might have specific sizes of the rooms.  in general though, the rooms are very nice for singles. 

and with that, I am gonna have to cut myself off from lsd for tonight!!

study study study  ;D


Thanks for all the helpful information. I totally understand if you don't get to this until after finals.  The website says that there are 25 rooms, but only 3 bathrooms.  How does it work to share a bathroom with 8 or 9 others? Do you have to schedule shower times?

Is getting a room at the Phid House for the summer practically guaranteed since current residents will be gone?


Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Sweeny on December 19, 2006, 05:45:53 PM
no worries, last test now isnt till thurs morning so I have a little time for a question or two still  :) 

bathrooms are really no prob - the basement one is just one toilet/shower, but the main mens and girls bathrooms all have multiple showers/stalls so there is really always a bathroom avail. so its never been an issue, which is good!

getting a room here over the summer is def a lot easier, but bc of that usually not all summer starters that live here can be guaranteed a spot for the rest of the year.  I am not sure how it works exactly since I wasn't a summer starter, but if you are a summer starter I would be sure to specify when applying whether you want a room for just the summer or for the full year, and if it happens that we don't have space for you for the full year if you would still like a summer room.  that said, there are lots of summer starters that stay here the full year.  Thats all pretty general, sorry, if you would like more specific info from a more accurate source just email jill here(weader@umich.edu).  she's a 3L and has been in charge of the app process before so she would know for sure all the details you are looking for.  (her email is posted on the phid page for questions so I assume its ok to link here  ;D)   hope that helps!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: _retired_ on December 20, 2006, 03:09:55 AM
This thread is amazing, thank you everyone who is contributing.  Michigan is my top choice among schools I'd have a realistic chance at, though I've barely begun the process (undergrad junior at Wisconsin).  I've been there probably a dozen times because my girlfriend attends UM, and as someone who is familiar with the campus, the housing stuff has been great info; I'm sure I'll have questions in the year to come.  Next time I'm in town I plan to walk around the law school a bit and check out the facilities; again, questions sure to follow.  It's nice to see such helpful and friendly students on here, and it makes me think that despite the lofty rankings and national prestige, Michigan's law school still captures the atmosphere of a Big Ten/Midwestern university.  Keep up the good work. :)
 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 20, 2006, 08:29:05 PM
bump
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 21, 2006, 02:46:43 PM
Yay, done with finals!  Most people will be getting stupid tonight, but we might be around tomorrow to answer more questions from you all.  I'm headed out shortly to get my drink on.  Oh, and for this thread too - congrats to those offered the Darrow!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on December 21, 2006, 03:12:29 PM
Hey, I am not sure if any of the UM people would know the answer, but I have a Q about summer starts and scholaships. I have a dean's scholarship, but I am not sure whether this will be applied to the tuition for the summer or not...does anyone know?  Does summer count as a full semester tuition-wise?  I am not sure how this works in relation to fin aid for the year, stafford and such.  I am going to ask this to Fin Aid when I visit, I thought someone might have an idea of how the scholarship would be applied to my tuition, and what my options would be for paying.

  
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on December 21, 2006, 04:19:51 PM
Hey, I am not sure if any of the UM people would know the answer, but I have a Q about summer starts and scholaships. I have a dean's scholarship, but I am not sure whether this will be applied to the tuition for the summer or not...does anyone know?  Does summer count as a full semester tuition-wise?  I am not sure how this works in relation to fin aid for the year, stafford and such.  I am going to ask this to Fin Aid when I visit, I thought someone might have an idea of how the scholarship would be applied to my tuition, and what my options would be for paying.

  


Did you defer a year?  Where you able to keep your scholarship?  Sorry I can't answer your question I'm just curious about your situation, thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on December 21, 2006, 06:14:07 PM
Hey, I am not sure if any of the UM people would know the answer, but I have a Q about summer starts and scholaships. I have a dean's scholarship, but I am not sure whether this will be applied to the tuition for the summer or not...does anyone know?  Does summer count as a full semester tuition-wise?  I am not sure how this works in relation to fin aid for the year, stafford and such.  visit, I thought someone might have an idea of how the scholarship would be applied to myI am going to ask this to Fin Aid when I  tuition, and what my options would be for paying.

 

Im not sure how the scholarship would work, but its 60k over 3 yrs so does it really matter?

As for the Stafford, for your first year (3 semesters with summer) you still only get 18.5k (so like 6k a semester rather than the usual 9) but for your last year (1 semester)  you will get the full 18.5k again.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on December 21, 2006, 08:13:20 PM
Did you defer a year?  Where you able to keep your scholarship?  Sorry I can't answer your question I'm just curious about your situation, thanks.

No, I didnt defer a year.  I just got accepted in November, and I will be heading to Ann Arbor 10 days after graduationg from undergrad.

Im not sure how the scholarship would work, but its 60k over 3 yrs so does it really matter?

As for the Stafford, for your first year (3 semesters with summer) you still only get 18.5k (so like 6k a semester rather than the usual 9) but for your last year (1 semester)  you will get the full 18.5k again.

No, it doesnt really matter that much...I was just trying to figure out whether I could count summer and fall as my first year and apply 20k in scholarship to those two semesters.  It will all add up the same at the end anyway, but it would save some legwork in trying to secure loans.  Also, the less private loans the better.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 21, 2006, 09:20:06 PM
what's the curve at Mich??
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on December 21, 2006, 09:42:05 PM
what's the curve at Mich??

http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/registration/GradingGuidelines.htm



Can't answer the Scholarship stuff.  Sorry, wilax3man.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 21, 2006, 09:44:20 PM
Ty VU.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on December 22, 2006, 03:20:56 AM
Yay, done with finals!  Most people will be getting stupid tonight, but we might be around tomorrow to answer more questions from you all.  I'm headed out shortly to get my drink on.  Oh, and for this thread too - congrats to those offered the Darrow!

Congrats!

Me too, actually.  And I'm so terrified I was going to sleep through my alarm that I'm staying up until it's time to turn it in.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on December 22, 2006, 03:22:57 AM
Hey, I am not sure if any of the UM people would know the answer, but I have a Q about summer starts and scholaships. I have a dean's scholarship, but I am not sure whether this will be applied to the tuition for the summer or not...does anyone know?  Does summer count as a full semester tuition-wise?  I am not sure how this works in relation to fin aid for the year, stafford and such.  I am going to ask this to Fin Aid when I visit, I thought someone might have an idea of how the scholarship would be applied to my tuition, and what my options would be for paying.

Actually, I know this one.  I was a summer start dual degree (JD/MPH), and my law scholarship kicked in starting in the summer.  If I remember correctly, it was proated.  Besides, as Steve said, with $60 over 3 years, it really doesn't matter.  (Just don't forget to factor in COL, interest and tuition increases when doing your CBA.)

The semesters when I took both JD and MPH classes would have been hairy, because the MPH funding stems from research and teaching grants.  I worked it out so that I would do an extra MPH summer to avoid the conflict. 

That said, last minute changes probably would have shattered that plan.  But it was good in theory.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: mudpies on December 22, 2006, 12:49:49 PM
Hey, I am not sure if any of the UM people would know the answer, but I have a Q about summer starts and scholaships. I have a dean's scholarship, but I am not sure whether this will be applied to the tuition for the summer or not...does anyone know?  Does summer count as a full semester tuition-wise?  I am not sure how this works in relation to fin aid for the year, stafford and such.  I am going to ask this to Fin Aid when I visit, I thought someone might have an idea of how the scholarship would be applied to my tuition, and what my options would be for paying.

  

Congrats. Were you awarded the Dean's scholarship at the same time as your acceptance? Did you have to submit extra info or talk to Dean Z? Feel free to PM me, future classmate.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on December 22, 2006, 04:44:16 PM

This question is for anyone who knows.  I know Michigan gives away Darrow scholarships.  On their website they said they also give away lesser merit scholarships that you don't need to apply for.  Does anyone know anything about these?  Are they offered with your finaid package?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 22, 2006, 05:52:44 PM

This question is for anyone who knows.  I know Michigan gives away Darrow scholarships.  On their website they said they also give away lesser merit scholarships that you don't need to apply for.  Does anyone know anything about these?  Are they offered with your finaid package?  Thanks.

i only know of the dean's scholarship with is 60gs (didn't get that one either  :-[)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 22, 2006, 06:10:33 PM
There are some scholarships that are "need" based, which means actually tied to merit but they want to give them to people who have financial need as well.  So submit your financial aid stuff as soon as you can and you might still get stuff then.  I don't know how the notification for other merit aid goes besides the Darrow.  I do know they tend to give it to a good number of people to try to woo them from higher-ranked schools (therefore much of it is turned down).  People don't really talk about their money situation once you are in school so I don't know who got merit aid versus need aid versus no aid. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: sillyberry on December 22, 2006, 06:24:13 PM
People don't really talk about their money situation once you are in school so I don't know who got merit aid versus need aid versus no aid. 

I think this is REALLY true - I told a Michigan 1L friend of mine that I got a Darrow, and she responded "Huh?"

I actually really liked that.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on December 22, 2006, 06:39:15 PM
People don't really talk about their money situation once you are in school so I don't know who got merit aid versus need aid versus no aid. 

I think this is REALLY true - I told a Michigan 1L friend of mine that I got a Darrow, and she responded "Huh?"

I actually really liked that.

That is nice that money isn't talked about (except when I need some info like right now, haha  ;) ).  I'm hoping I'll get some money from Mich, its my top choice right now. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on December 22, 2006, 07:32:47 PM
People don't really talk about their money situation once you are in school so I don't know who got merit aid versus need aid versus no aid. 

I think this is REALLY true - I told a Michigan 1L friend of mine that I got a Darrow, and she responded "Huh?"

I actually really liked that.

This early?  Nice! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on December 23, 2006, 08:49:37 AM
Any recommendations on where to stay during ASW?  I know it's months off already, but I will definitely and absolutely be there. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: sillyberry on December 23, 2006, 08:50:34 AM
People don't really talk about their money situation once you are in school so I don't know who got merit aid versus need aid versus no aid. 

I think this is REALLY true - I told a Michigan 1L friend of mine that I got a Darrow, and she responded "Huh?"

I actually really liked that.

This early?  Nice! ;D

Thanks - LSD totally and crazily represented on the Darrow front.  Kind of insane, actually!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Lily Jaye on December 23, 2006, 10:58:25 AM
Any recommendations on where to stay during ASW?  I know it's months off already, but I will definitely and absolutely be there. 

Michigan pays for you to stay at a pretty good area hotel. 

That said, if you get in a day before to scope out the school without a red carpet, the Library Bed and Breakfast is adorable.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 23, 2006, 11:04:57 AM
Would any of you recommend calling up the admissions office to inquire about gettng some financial help with the travel? This stuff is going to be a little expensive, and I don't make good money... :-\
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on December 23, 2006, 11:16:02 AM
Would any of you recommend calling up the admissions office to inquire about gettng some financial help with the travel? This stuff is going to be a little expensive, and I don't make good money... :-\

It can't possibly hurt to ask (although you might consider doing so a little closer to the ASW).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on December 23, 2006, 11:18:09 AM

This question is for anyone who knows.  I know Michigan gives away Darrow scholarships.  On their website they said they also give away lesser merit scholarships that you don't need to apply for.  Does anyone know anything about these?  Are they offered with your finaid package?  Thanks.

Last year they had two tiers of Dean's Scholarships (18k/yr and 6k/yr) which came randomnly sometimes weeks, sometimes months after being accepted.  This year the 60k thing seems to be coming right with acceptances so maybe its different...

Would any of you recommend calling up the admissions office to inquire about gettng some financial help with the travel? This stuff is going to be a little expensive, and I don't make good money... :-\

They will pay for your room (you must copay $20/night) and all your meals...flight +  taxi is on you...I think last year I only spent like $400, but I always pick the most convenient flight times, airports, etc - I could have done it for $250 if I was skimping :-\
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: 1LCorvo on December 24, 2006, 08:00:24 PM
I did not have an opportunity to go through the entire thread, so if I am repetitive, could you refer me to the post where my question is potentially answered. At any rate, the location of the law school is conveniently near the Philosophy department. Being that the philosophy program is one of the best in the nation, is there a great deal of collaboration between the two?

Also, football is HUGE at Michigan. How's the law school during basketball season? I'm a big fan of both football and basketball, and hopefully the environment is somewhat similar during both seasons.

Final questions, how are the bar nights on Thursday? And, is there financial assistance available for students to visit the school for Admitted Students weekend?

Time to go finish working on my thesis...thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: MachoBreeze on December 24, 2006, 11:54:41 PM
anybody on this thread a current/prospective Mich JD with knowledge of the JD/MBA situation there?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on December 25, 2006, 05:31:55 PM
what 1L electives are you all planning to take and why?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on December 25, 2006, 07:38:35 PM
I'm taking English Legal History, due mostly to the reputation of A.W. Simpson. I've heard really good things about him.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 26, 2006, 08:48:22 AM
what 1L electives are you all planning to take and why?

I'm taking Legislation because:

1) it fit into my schedule
2) I didn't get into the History of Criminal Justice seminar I wanted to take
3) I convinced a friend to sign up for it with me so we could take it together
4) it is only 2 credits instead of 3 and I only wanted to take a class worth 2 credits
5) it involved legislative drafting exercises - how awesome does that sound?
6) there's a take home final

Oh, and to answer the question about bar nights:

They can really range depending on the locale, which also can affect who will show up. They've been at Buffalo Wild Wings (I know, weird, right?) to our "favorite" hang-out, Rick's.

Hi soonertbone!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on December 26, 2006, 03:25:57 PM
I did not have an opportunity to go through the entire thread, so if I am repetitive, could you refer me to the post where my question is potentially answered. At any rate, the location of the law school is conveniently near the Philosophy department. Being that the philosophy program is one of the best in the nation, is there a great deal of collaboration between the two?

Also, football is HUGE at Michigan. How's the law school during basketball season? I'm a big fan of both football and basketball, and hopefully the environment is somewhat similar during both seasons.

Final questions, how are the bar nights on Thursday? And, is there financial assistance available for students to visit the school for Admitted Students weekend?

Time to go finish working on my thesis...thanks!

1. The answer deepdns on your idea of collaberation.  The law school makes it easy for students to take classes in other departments, including Philosophy (I will be taking at least one in this department before I graduate).  There is also a joint JD/PhD if that is up your alley.  I don't know if any of the Law School professors hold joint appointments in Philsophy, but if a philisophical mindset is what you are after, a LARGE number of Michigan Law professors have an advanced degree in Philosophy (in fact, one section's Crim Law professor last semseter was Douglas Husak, the former chair of Rutgers' Philosphy department, which is amazing).  I don't know what other kinds of collaberation you envisioned.

2. Basketball season hasn't really ramped up here (it began only as we neared finals), so we'll have to wait and see how interesting that gets.

3. I don't go to bar nights.

4. They give you an expesive hotel stay for $20/night, but I don't know of anyone getting compensated for their flight or drive.  It never hurts to ask, however.


what 1L electives are you all planning to take and why?

I'm taking a Law & Econ workshop because (1) I love contract theory and want to get a solid knowledge base, (2) I wanted a class that allowed me an opportunity to write - (3) but not too much (I didn't want a 60-page seminar paper) - (4) I wanted one less final, (5) I wanted feedback throught the semester, and (6) I need to bring my GPA up. 


Hi smiley!  How's the holliday going?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 26, 2006, 06:00:21 PM
Hi Vapid! I'm doing fine, how are you? How was your holiday?
I'm heading to Chicago in 2 days for a job fair, yay! I'm totally cracking down on the job hunt here...

Douglas Husak is amazing!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on December 26, 2006, 10:12:16 PM
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Douglas Husak is amazing!!!

Where did that come from?

Good luck at the job fair!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 27, 2006, 07:38:50 AM
 (in fact, one section's Crim Law professor last semseter was Douglas Husak, the former chair of Rutgers' Philosphy department, which is amazing). 

This is where it came from, from Vapid's comment.
Or do you mean, where did that come from, my thinking Husak is amazing?
Thanks! Hope you're doing well! See you in Torts!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on December 27, 2006, 07:50:03 AM
Gotcha. Didn't see that part of Vapid's post. :-)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on December 27, 2006, 08:16:53 AM
I love to see my friends posting while we're on vacation too =)  Anyway here are some of my thoughts on things people asked.

I'm taking Public Interest Legal Theory: Education because it's with an amazing professor (Mark Rosenbaum, Legal Director for the ACLU of Southern California... currently, he commutes ;-); I already know a good deal about education policy and some about education law; it is an issue ares where I have a lot of passion; and it's a small seminar that I could get into without using a priority (which is a way to skip ahead of students who are more senior to you in the registration process, unnecessary for many seminars that are chosen directly by the professors from a statement of interest). 


I'm pretty sure we do have joint faculty in law and philosophy but my joint faculty brochure is hiding in Ann Arbor and I'm in Charlotte.  At some point all the accepted students get a brochure on the joint faculty so you'll know more then.  But with any grad department you can take classes and if you want a joint degree (MA/MS/MBA/MPP/PhD/MD/whatever) then we have 14 set up for you and you can pretty easily create your own if the department you want doesn't already have one. 

My understanding is that since Michigan tends to not be so great in basketball that there's less expectation that you love our team first and foremost, but I think it's still a relatively big deal.  Not as huge as football but since basketball games happen much more often it would be really costly to your grades and liver for it to be as big a deal as football.  I am SURE you can find kindred spirits on the basketball front though.

I don't know much about the joint JD/MBA though I have a friend considering it.  It seems less common than some other joint degrees (JD/MPP, JD/PhD poli sci) and more common than others (JD/PhD biology for example).  The business school is really close by and lots of people take some classes there but it's less clear whether you need the joint degree for anything.  If you have specific goals where you think/know it'll be helpful though, go for it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: MachoBreeze on December 27, 2006, 09:21:17 PM
ok this is a real unimportant question so forgive me...

what is the cable/sattelite tv povider in ann arbor? and, most importantly, do they offer a good HD package? i am an HDTV fiend so this is kind of important for me.

also, what is HDTV access like in the lawyer's club? that is to say, is there any?

thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Luxor on December 28, 2006, 12:28:41 AM
As usual, I'm late to the party.  Like many of the other posters on this thread, I'm a Michigan 1L (fall starter) who just finished the first batch of exams.  Though I lost interest in LSD pretty much the moment that I entered A2, since becoming aware of this thread's existence I've felt a gnawing need to reciprocate for all of the assistance that I was able to get out of the site last year.  I also just can't seem to get enough of telling people how pleased I am with my Michigan Law experience thus far.  Even if I do no more than repeat what others have already written, then at least I'll still be able to add one more number to the legion of Michigan Law 1L fanatics.   

In every respect (with one exception: a lack of interest in community service), my law school experience has surpassed even the highest expectations that I had in August.  My undergrad school was a large public school where good in-class discussion was nearly impossible to come by and there was a lot of bureaucratic red tape.  Here, solid professor-classroom interaction is the norm, and I think that a couple of my professors genuinely perceived student comments and questions as new ways for them to think about the material.  Unlike my undergrad, discussions often extended far beyond the classroom into bars and bowling alleys, as students actually wanted to use their free time to talk about the law.  Undoubtedly the best part of my experience so far has been the people: other students, the faculty, the admissions and career offices, the staff at the Snackbar (actually, the Snackbar has been the best part of my experience  ;)), I guess almost everyone that I've encountered.  There's simply a general sense of goodwill, with everyone wanting everyone else to succeed.  While the student body is competitive, it's only competitive in the sense that people generally bring their best efforts to the table and hope that they measure up to other people's best efforts.  Every day, without fail, I find myself in awe of my classmates, proud to belong to a community of people that I respect so much for their intelligence, maturity, and diversity/tolerance of perspectives.           

Most of the positives that I've come to love about Michigan Law have already been elaborated upon at length, so I'll leave them alone.  However, since I got so much out of general advice from 1Ls last year, I figure that it's finally come time to offer my own.  Here are some general tips concerning law school admissions and the law school experience in general:
1) Don't despair if you're getting a late start in the cycle.  I didn't apply to my first school until Christmas day last year, and I'm pretty sure that I was just as successful I would have been had I applied in mid-October. 

2) If you're a member of the LSD community, then there's probably little chance that you'll need to worry about this, but make sure that you invest as much thought into your decision to attend law school as you possibly can.  After taking a legal internship, reading One L, Law School Confidential, and Double Billing, and spending a ridiculous amount of time reading posts on this board, I was still besieged pretty much every day during the admissions cycle last year by concerns that I was making the wrong decision.  Upon matriculation, I was pretty astonished to find that a somewhat large number of other students decided to go to law school (mostly folks coming right out of undergrad) without any idea whatsoever about how they intended to use their degrees.  A lot of the same people didn't know what courses they were taking or what the courses even were.  I think that a lot of law students are bright folks who know that they're not interested in medicine or business, know that they like writing, that law can be very lucrative, and knew that the law school admissions game is a relative cinch.  None of the above reasons, by themselves or as a whole, represent good justification for learning the law.  The bottom-line is that law school is a gigantic investment of your time, money, and psychic labor.  If you haven't put in the effort to know whether it would be a sound investment, then you are effectively making one of the most important decisions of your life without having acquired the information necessary to inform a good decision.  Honestly, I was terrified coming in that law school would consume my entire life.  During the one semester that I completed, it pretty much did consume my entire life, but I got through it largely because I knew to expect it (I told myself to expect the most difficult experience of my life).  Thankfully, what I actually experienced was easier, maybe even much easier, than what I anticipated....not because the courses weren't challenging (they definitely were) or because my free time wasn't severely limited (it was), but because I very much enjoyed doing the reading 80-90% of the time and very consciously could sense and appreciate my brain being rewired as I learned new ways to think about things.  It also helped immeasurably to have friends to talk to who were going through the same experience.  Ok, I've totally gone off on a tangent, so I'll stop myself from writing further on this point, but, again, please choose to go to law school only for the right reasons.  You owe yourself and your future nothing less.

3) Don't let One L and Law School Confidential freak you out.  Yes, law school will occupy a ridiculous amount of time in your life.  Yes, you're expected to bring your A game to every class every day and to strive for a higher bar than you've probably ever been asked to reach before.  Yes, learning the law is very much like being tossed into the deep end of the ocean without a life preserver because it's so radically different than anything you've done in class before (or at least in my case it was).  Despite all of the above, the authors of both books characterized this experience as one that you would have to suffer through on your way to a successful legal career.  Maybe I'm crazy, but I generally had a blast my first semester.  I loved learning the law, asking more of my brain then I ever had before, and being surrounded by super-smart people all the time.  The aspects of law school that Turow and Miller seemed to hate were parts that I came to love.  Another mistake, in my opinion, that both books make is that they characterize the classroom experience as a means towards the ends of taking and doing well on the exam.  While it's important to keep the exam in mind, I tried not to think about exams until about a month before they were to take place.  If I had done what Turow and Miller suggested, I would have already highlighted and outlined myself into a burned-out frenzy by that point.  I think that my time was much better spent making sure that I had a good grasp of legal concepts for my own sake rather than for the sake of doing well on the exam.  Keep in mind the following about Miller: he got so anxious the week before exams that he moved out of his dorm and into a hotel for a week, he recommends as free time on weekdays only time that you can spend working out so that you can build better stamina for the other parts of your daily schedule, he wants you to make 800 different outlines per class...  As well-intentioned as he might be, he overemphasizes the utility of his methods and makes bad assumptions about what he can expect from the typical reader.  I'm no slouch, but I didn't put in anywhere close to the colossal effort that Miller would have asked of me.  I'm in fact 100% sure that had I adhered to Miller's advice than I would have suffered come exam time (premature to write given that I haven't even received grades yet, but I know that for myself even having maintained a detailed outline over the semester for every class would have been a huge waste of time).   

4) If you go to Michigan, do the MAP program if at all possible.  On top of forming a much better idea of what to expect over the semester, I also met almost all of my close law school friends via MAP.  I also met a lot of 2L mentors who really have gone out of their way to offer advice when they've spotted me in the hall. 

So that's all.  As is probably obvious if you've read down to here, I couldn't be happier with my law school experience up to this point, and I think that it's largely because of the fact that I'm a student at Michigan.  I'd be happy to answer any questions that people have about anything that I've written here or to write more about any aspect of my experience...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 28, 2006, 06:15:07 AM
Luxor, I have a question.  I'm pretty sure that you're one of my friends (and that we already had this discussion at MAP), but I'm not 100% certain who that handle belongs to.  PM me or send a hint, pretty please?  I'm old and senile.  ;)

Either way, thanks for joining us - that was a great post, and I pretty much agree with every thing you said. 

I know that I'm always the little Michigan spirit booster, but I want to offer another example of how genuinely kind this community is: in the midst of all of my crisis/chaos/bull this past month, I also had to move into a new apartment.  I was out on the east coast and dealing with all of the medical stuff and beginning to come unglued whenever I considered the logistics of all that I had to do back in AA.  Well, LSD, fear not.  Smiley leapt into action, organizing a work crew who came in THE DAY AFTER THEIR LAST EXAM (!!) to help me with the heavy lifting (the literal heavy lifting, as opposed to metaphorical variety I generally struggle with.)  Ginormous thanks to smiley and Vapid Unicorn and thenextstep and soonertbone and all of my other Michigan friends who stepped in and made this move a breeze. 

MachoBreeze, the cable provider is Comcast.  I haven't had any complaints with them or the service, other than the fact that it's really pricey (broadband as a stand-alone service costs more here than it did in Manhattan, just as a for-example.)  I don't know from HD since I'm about to have cable for the first time in about a decade, but I'll bet that their website will tell all.

I'm taking Constitutionalism in South Africa as my elective.  There weren't too many options that fit my section's schedule, but I was leaning toward this class anyway.  It's an interesting subject and it's taught by a visiting prof who practices in South Africa and serves on the South African Human Rights Commission.  In the past, it's been team-taught with a justice from the highest court in South Africa, although I don't know whether she's joining us this year.  Because their constitution is so young, it would be akin to studying American con law with the founding fathers.  And on the lower-motivation front, It's 2 credits and only a half semester long. 

Hey smiley, good luck in Chicago.  Say hi to defeatist and the others!  I have to go study now.  :(   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 28, 2006, 07:05:27 PM
I know that I'm always the little Michigan spirit booster, but I want to offer another example of how genuinely kind this community is: in the midst of all of my crisis/chaos/bull this past month, I also had to move into a new apartment.  I was out on the east coast and dealing with all of the medical stuff and beginning to come unglued whenever I considered the logistics of all that I had to do back in AA.  Well, LSD, fear not.  Smiley leapt into action, organizing a work crew who came in THE DAY AFTER THEIR LAST EXAM (!!) to help me with the heavy lifting (the literal heavy lifting, as opposed to metaphorical variety I generally struggle with.)  Ginormous thanks to smiley and Vapid Unicorn and thenextstep and soonertbone and all of my other Michigan friends who stepped in and made this move a breeze. 
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Jolie - That is an amazing story.  In addition to loving UMich, I now also love all you 1L LSD'ers as well.  This type of comraderie is exactly what I am looking for - Classmates who are also people you would want as friends.  Thanks for sharing this with us. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on December 28, 2006, 07:07:50 PM
Vapid - I am going to have to ask you several questions about your experience living in family housing, but I don't want to waste your time before I get accepted/rejected.  If I do get accepted, though, would it be OK if I PM you to ask you some questions about Northwood?  Or I could post my questions here if others are interested. 

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on December 28, 2006, 10:05:20 PM
Vapid - I am going to have to ask you several questions about your experience living in family housing, but I don't want to waste your time before I get accepted/rejected.  If I do get accepted, though, would it be OK if I PM you to ask you some questions about Northwood?  Or I could post my questions here if others are interested. 

I'd be happy to answer Northwood questions, even before you get accepted if you want.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on December 30, 2006, 11:21:46 AM


Hey smiley, good luck in Chicago.  Say hi to defeatist and the others!  I have to go study now.  :(   
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Hey, no problem Jolie! I'm so glad everything worked out okay and that this little anecdote is proof of how we're truly good people out here (as you like to say).

Chicago was great! Soooo much fun. Although I was told by a few people to get the hell off LSD.

Do you know who Luxor is? Do you need a hint? Here's one: "Pacey!"
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on December 30, 2006, 12:26:06 PM
I don't think anyone else is interested, but I answered my own question (from much earlier):  sledding opportunities at Michigan seem ample.  The city park department, apparently, even publishes a few places it recommends for it. 


http://www.arborweb.com/cg/t0403.html

Ann Arbor has great sledding hills. The city parks department recommends these sites: Buhr Park, Burns Park, Huron Hills Golf Course, Leslie Park, Leslie Park Golf Course, and Veterans Memorial Park (golf greens and tees are off limits). All sites are unsupervised. Rolling Hills County Park (4849676) also offers sledding, and rents toboggans and sled tubes. Sledding is prohibited in the U-M Nichols Arboretum.

Someone mentioned in another thread that Michigan offers cheap rooms to those who visit during their preview weekends.  Does anyone know if that will hold true this year also?  I would check the admitted student website, but the information isn't there yet.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: nowitzski on December 31, 2006, 01:04:56 PM
I don't think anyone else is interested, but I answered my own question (from much earlier):  sledding opportunities at Michigan seem ample.  The city park department, apparently, even publishes a few places it recommends for it. 


http://www.arborweb.com/cg/t0403.html

Ann Arbor has great sledding hills. The city parks department recommends these sites: Buhr Park, Burns Park, Huron Hills Golf Course, Leslie Park, Leslie Park Golf Course, and Veterans Memorial Park (golf greens and tees are off limits). All sites are unsupervised. Rolling Hills County Park (4849676) also offers sledding, and rents toboggans and sled tubes. Sledding is prohibited in the U-M Nichols Arboretum.

Someone mentioned in another thread that Michigan offers cheap rooms to those who visit during their preview weekends.  Does anyone know if that will hold true this year also?  I would check the admitted student website, but the information isn't there yet.

they should probably add sledding capacity to the USNWR ranking formula.  Also coolness of fight song.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: 1LCorvo on December 31, 2006, 01:58:05 PM


What is the summer usually like for students after the first year?



Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: junetesttaker on December 31, 2006, 09:06:27 PM
I think Vapid works more hours than the rest of us Michigan LSDers on average, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's working more/less.  A great deal of how much time you spend working is reading speed from what I can tell.  Some people read quickly and feel they spot what they need and others prefer to be more diligent and detailed.  While I love Michigan there are lots of things about law school that I find less than appealing, and reading for contracts is high on that list.  So anyway, I tend to try to read as fast as possible.  That being said, I'm more likely to be behind than some because I also just procrastinate often.  I think Vapid's estimation of work time might be high, but not very high.  I just don't always get it all done.  Other people spend WAY more time than Vapid alluded to, just so y'all know.  Oh, and I also don't use a laptop in class, never did and love it.  In my section there is only one other person not using a laptop.  I think I can pay attention better without typing so much, and I like leaving my computer at home sometimes.  Anyway, this week I'll hunker down for my open memo and the start of the moot court problem I'm doing.  So it comes and goes I suppose.

It really depends.  If you feel that you've already grasped the material after 2 hours, you are just as fine as people who grasp it after 4 hours.   The important thing is not how many hours you put in, but it is how efficient your study is.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on January 01, 2007, 06:49:06 PM
Vapid - I am going to have to ask you several questions about your experience living in family housing, but I don't want to waste your time before I get accepted/rejected.  If I do get accepted, though, would it be OK if I PM you to ask you some questions about Northwood?  Or I could post my questions here if others are interested. 

I'd be happy to answer Northwood questions, even before you get accepted if you want.

Happy New Year!

Ok, just a couple of questions.  Do you live in one of the townhouses?  How is the heating system?  Are you able to heat both floors easily or is it uneven and inefficient?  Also, are the townhouses quality construction or do they have paper-thin walls where you hear your neighbor's television and stuff like that?  Also, how have you done with not having a dishwasher?  I think that might be a tough adjustment for me.  :)  It seems like the price can't be beat, though, especially with the heat and electricity being included in the rent. How many closets do the townhouses have?  Its difficult to determine from the virtual tour.  Is there a coat closet and a linen closet or just one closet downstairs?  Any closets or storage upstairs other than the closets in the bedrooms? Any other thoughts or opinions about the family housing would be greatly appreciated.  I have two kids so would be looking at getting a 3 bedroom townhouse.  Thanks!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Pugnacious on January 03, 2007, 12:38:51 AM
If someone has already asked this, I am sorry but it's a simple question: which cell phone providers get the best coverage? I am specifically interested in Cingular or Verizon. Thanks!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 03, 2007, 10:40:07 AM
Any Michigan 1Ls want to do a project like demingh did here:  http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,79457.0.html ? 

Although I will definitely be visiting the campus this March, it might be really nice to see some of the sights beforehand.  I can understand if the last thing any of you want to do after finals is walk around campus snapping photos like a tourist, but here's to hoping.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 03, 2007, 10:45:46 AM
Here's a link from a slideshow someone did last year.  I apologize - I can't credit the photos, as I don't remember who did this, but I've had it bookmarked ever since. 

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=16ptrn8l.ar67lu6x&Uy=ed2d2c&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

These photos have the added bonus of NOT having been taken in January.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on January 03, 2007, 11:12:55 AM
Happy New Year, everyone!  I have Cingular, and I haven't had any problems.  Plus, they give a discount to U-M students, which is nice :)  I lived in Northwood for a year, and they're not kidding about the no pets policy!  I hid two kittens in my apartment for a couple of months, but then someone reported them (how mean!), so they made me move out.  My current apartment says no pets allowed in the lease, but the management company knows I have cats and don't care.  Northwood is definitely not as accomodating!   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 03, 2007, 11:29:27 AM
Here's a link from a slideshow someone did last year.  I apologize - I can't credit the photos, as I don't remember who did this, but I've had it bookmarked ever since. 

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=16ptrn8l.ar67lu6x&Uy=ed2d2c&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

These photos have the added bonus of NOT having been taken in January.  ;)


Wow, that was a double bonus.  I/we got our pics and none of you had to tromp around snapping shots.  That really is a beautiful campus though.  I love the real trees too.  Living in South Texas has given me a deeper appreciation for how nice non-scrub trees can be.  Thanks Jolie.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 03, 2007, 11:34:37 AM
Here's a link from a slideshow someone did last year.  I apologize - I can't credit the photos, as I don't remember who did this, but I've had it bookmarked ever since. 

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?Uc=16ptrn8l.ar67lu6x&Uy=ed2d2c&Upost_signin=Slideshow.jsp%3Fmode%3Dfromshare&Ux=0&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1

These photos have the added bonus of NOT having been taken in January.  ;)


Wow, that was a double bonus.  I/we got our pics and none of you had to tromp around snapping shots.  That really is a beautiful campus though.  I love the real trees too.  Living in South Texas has given me a deeper appreciation for how nice non-scrub trees can be.  Thanks Jolie.

Yea those pics were great.  The quad/town pics remind me of Brown...and I dunno whether that's good or bad yet  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Pugnacious on January 03, 2007, 01:12:26 PM
Hey Michigan 1Ls - a bunch of us on LSD got a held-like email from Michigan today...does that mean imminent doom? Anyone get this last year?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on January 03, 2007, 01:28:53 PM
Thanks to all the UM 1Ls for giving so much info, I am with everyone else in saying that you guys definately motivate me towards wanting to go to Michigan.  I was lucky enough to receive an admissions offer and am already picturing myself there, even though I have not heard from any other schools (reject or admit).  Those pictures are great, and coming from So Cal, the prospect of seasons is very cool. 

Concerning the car issue, I read earlier in the thread that you all don't really recommend driving to school, but I am addicted to driving and can't imagine being w/o a car.  Is a car beneficial for non-school driving enough to have one, how about for road trips?  How many of you guys have cars in AA?

Happy New Year, everyone!  I have Cingular, and I haven't had any problems.  Plus, they give a discount to U-M students, which is nice :)  I lived in Northwood for a year, and they're not kidding about the no pets policy!  I hid two kittens in my apartment for a couple of months, but then someone reported them (how mean!), so they made me move out.  My current apartment says no pets allowed in the lease, but the management company knows I have cats and don't care.  Northwood is definitely not as accomodating!   

Are there many places that allow cats?  I have two and I really really want them with me.  Am I right in assuming the grad housing doesn't allow pets?

Thanks again guys!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 03, 2007, 01:40:53 PM
halfie, we want you here too!  Get your butt in gear.

PugAttack, did you get the "sorry we can't make a decision yet, esp. since you took the trouble to apply relatively early" email?  Fear not, my friend.  I got that, then I got waitlisted, and by the end of April I was admitted.  Just make sure you convey your sincere and ongoing interest in Michigan.

monserrat, most of us have cars (most of those on LSD - I'm not sure what the breakdown is for the whole class.)  It's not neccessary but certainly very useful.  It's only the daily commute to school that isn't very practical by car.  And as for pets, you're right that they're not allowed in any University Housing.  I have two dogs and a cat and I've been able to find places.  It takes a little more patience, but it's easier for cats than dogs.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Pugnacious on January 03, 2007, 01:47:32 PM
jolie - that was the one. problem is, i already wrote the "why michigan" essay, i have nothing to add to my resume (my idea of taking time off = traveling) and no other LOR options. I feel *&^% out of luck. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on January 03, 2007, 01:49:39 PM
While you can't drive yourself to school (law students aren't eligible for the parking permits which would allow you to enter the parking garages close to campus), having a car helps and if you can afford to have one, I would definitely do it.  I didn't have a car my first year and now I can't imagine not having one.  Almost all the errands I run (with the exception of the bank and post office), I do off campus, so it helps to be able to drive.  Ann Arbor has a mall that's decent, but there are larger and nicer malls and outlet malls 30-60 minutes away.  Also, on really cold days, walking for any more than 15 minutes outside can be unpleasant.  Plus the airport is ~30 minutes away, and it's a $30-40 shuttle or cab ride each way, so it's nice to be able to drive there.  If you like traveling by car, Chicago is only 4 hours away, Canada is only 1 hour away, and Michigan has some really nice places that you can drive to for day or weekend trips.      
Any housing owned by the University won't allow pets (except for fish or turtles or whatever else you can keep in a small tank), but a lot of the apartment complexes will let you have them.  The link below lists the different apartment complexes in the area and their cat policies (under Cat-Friendly Housing):
http://www.tlconline.org/wcg.html
Even if some places say you can't have one, sometimes they'll give in if you ask.  The University, however, will not budge!  I was actually kind of surprised by how hard they came down on me, but I was breaking the rules, so I can't complain...  I can pet-sit for your kitties whenever you go back to CA! :)  
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 03, 2007, 02:01:28 PM
halfie, we want you here too!  Get your butt in gear.

FINE.  MAYBE I WILL.  :P  :D

Except I'll take it back if you ever respond to me in all caps again.  That makes me convulse.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on January 03, 2007, 02:02:27 PM
While you can't drive yourself to school (law students aren't eligible for the parking permits which would allow you to enter the parking garages close to campus), having a car helps and if you can afford to have one, I would definitely do it.  I didn't have a car my first year and now I can't imagine not having one.  Almost all the errands I run (with the exception of the bank and post office), I do off campus, so it helps to be able to drive.  Ann Arbor has a mall that's decent, but there are larger and nicer malls and outlet malls 30-60 minutes away.  Also, on really cold days, walking for any more than 15 minutes outside can be unpleasant.  Plus the airport is ~30 minutes away, and it's a $30-40 shuttle or cab ride each way, so it's nice to be able to drive there.  If you like traveling by car, Chicago is only 4 hours away, Canada is only 1 hour away, and Michigan has some really nice places that you can drive to for day or weekend trips.      
Any housing owned by the University won't allow pets (except for fish or turtles or whatever else you can keep in a small tank), but a lot of the apartment complexes will let you have them.  The link below lists the different apartment complexes in the area and their cat policies (under Cat-Friendly Housing):
http://www.tlconline.org/wcg.html
Even if some places say you can't have one, sometimes they'll give in if you ask.  The University, however, will not budge!  I was actually kind of surprised by how hard they came down on me, but I was breaking the rules, so I can't complain...  I can pet-sit for your kitties whenever you go back to CA! :)  

SO SWEET!!!  you guys are so awsome.  I would be really sad w/o my big fat cats so having them is important, getting them across country, well that's another story.I can't imagine living somewhere that gets so cold, but I really REALLY want to get out of So Cal (at least for awhile), and I'm sure I'll get used to it.  A new grad student in my lab is from AA and always talks about how beautiful it is, esp in the winter...  how bad are the winters really?  I guess this is the first one for you guys?  littlev, what kind of kitties do you have??  
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 04, 2007, 09:13:35 AM
jolie - that was the one. problem is, i already wrote the "why michigan" essay, i have nothing to add to my resume (my idea of taking time off = traveling) and no other LOR options. I feel sh*t out of luck. Any suggestions?

I got this email last year as well. I was not waitlisted, however, I was admitted in early March, just in time to attend the first ASW at Michigan. So, all is not lost, but you may have a little wait on your hands. I hadn't written the Why Mich (I had written two other optional ones), so I went ahead and wrote Why Mich and also got an additional LOR for them. You can call and ask the Admissions Office, but I'm sure they'll tell you that this is fine also. I called last year just to check and they said, sure, go ahead, send anything else you want at this point. So, I would suggest trying to get another LOR (be creative, isn't there anybody else you can ask?) and writing one of those other essays. Good luck!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on January 04, 2007, 09:47:40 AM
I have two American Shorthair brothers that I got from the Humane Society here.  I volunteer there, and they were at the shelter for a while, and I was afraid if someone didn't adopt them, then they might be put down. 
This is my fifth winter here, and while I don't know that I'd call them "beautiful," I definitely think they're bearable.  It's especially nice if you don't have to rely on a car to get to school so that you don't have to spend time in the mornings cleaning off your car.  Some days are so cold and windy that the inside of your nose actually freezes and you're forced to breathe through your mouth when you're outside, but those are pretty rare :)  Although I like to moan and complain about the weather as much as everyone, I'd still like to go to law school here and could imagine practicing law in the state, so I guess I don't really think it's that bad.  I'm a big believer in living in different areas (grew up in NY, went to college in NC, and I've spent a lot of time in CA) so that you can better appreciate wherever you decide to permanently settle down! 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 04, 2007, 10:53:46 AM
dontpanic, you'll get a LOT of different opinions on whether Ann Arbor has much going on besides the school.  I think there's a good deal to do but often I feel like I can't afford it.  Food and bars are more expensive than where I've lived before but my expendable income is down, so it feels like there's less available for me to do.  But I also take out as little loan as I can.  However, there are fun bars, good theatre, great music (classical, popular, and independent), and good films to see most of the time.  So there's stuff to do for sure.  As for Detroit, most students don't go out there although there are things to do there for sure - especially if you like museums or sports.  Because Detroit is so desparately poor and also not always seen as a safe place, students tend to stay away... but if you have good city sense then there's no reason to stay away I think.  We haven't been to anywhere in Detroit yet but we definitely want to check it out - we just have been swamped since we got here (turns out 1st year teaching is way harder than 1st year law school and in our house both are happening... not too much time for travel even to Detroit).  Oh, minor point - the airport is NOT in Detroit, it's about equidistant from downtown Detroit to Ann Arbor actually, but that's the part of "Detroit" most students go to.  But I encourage you to visit Ann Arbor and spend enough time here to check out the scene for what you enjoy doing - don't just do admitted students stuff in other words if you value what the town has to offer.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on January 05, 2007, 01:51:15 PM
I don't know if any of the Michigan students would be willing...but you all seem so nice, so I might as well ask.  I am coming to visit Ann Arbor next weekend and would love to meet one of the LSD'ers for a lunch or a beer (or whatever your drink of choice is) to talk about the school and Ann Arbor and just to hear your impressions.  I am apartment hunting with my fiance, along with meeting with Fin Aid and the Business school (hopefully).  We are already going to the hockey game Friday night.  Let me know if any of you would be willing to show a future Wolverine a little of the the school or Ann Arbor.  You can respond or message me.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on January 05, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
I don't know if any of the Michigan students would be willing...but you all seem so nice, so I might as well ask.  I am coming to visit Ann Arbor next weekend and would love to meet one of the LSD'ers for a lunch or a beer (or whatever your drink of choice is) to talk about the school and Ann Arbor and just to hear your impressions.  I am apartment hunting with my fiance, along with meeting with Fin Aid and the Business school (hopefully).  We are already going to the hockey game Friday night.  Let me know if any of you would be willing to show a future Wolverine a little of the the school or Ann Arbor.  You can respond or message me.

You doing a joint JD/MBA?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on January 05, 2007, 02:01:21 PM
considering it seriously
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 05, 2007, 05:35:28 PM
I don't know if any of the Michigan students would be willing...but you all seem so nice, so I might as well ask.  I am coming to visit Ann Arbor next weekend and would love to meet one of the LSD'ers for a lunch or a beer (or whatever your drink of choice is) to talk about the school and Ann Arbor and just to hear your impressions.  I am apartment hunting with my fiance, along with meeting with Fin Aid and the Business school (hopefully).  We are already going to the hockey game Friday night.  Let me know if any of you would be willing to show a future Wolverine a little of the the school or Ann Arbor.  You can respond or message me.

I'm about to go out to dinner, so I don't have a lot of time to respond right now, but send me a PM pronto with stuff that you're interested in doing/seeing while in town and the times that you'll be free.  We'll get some people together and try our best to match your interests/situations/informational needs.  Also, school starts back up on Wednesday, so be sure to let me know if you will be in town to sit in on a couple of classes. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 05, 2007, 05:58:10 PM
I'll let Vapid take the lead on organizing, but I'm up to meet you and I'm sure others are too.  That goes for people in the future who come to town as well - though you might want to set up something for yourselves for ASWs since there will probably be quite a few of you!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 06, 2007, 07:40:31 AM
Vapid - I am going to have to ask you several questions about your experience living in family housing, but I don't want to waste your time before I get accepted/rejected.  If I do get accepted, though, would it be OK if I PM you to ask you some questions about Northwood?  Or I could post my questions here if others are interested. 

I'd be happy to answer Northwood questions, even before you get accepted if you want.

Happy New Year!

Ok, just a couple of questions.  Do you live in one of the townhouses?  How is the heating system?  Are you able to heat both floors easily or is it uneven and inefficient?  Also, are the townhouses quality construction or do they have paper-thin walls where you hear your neighbor's television and stuff like that?  Also, how have you done with not having a dishwasher?  I think that might be a tough adjustment for me.  :)  It seems like the price can't be beat, though, especially with the heat and electricity being included in the rent. How many closets do the townhouses have?  Its difficult to determine from the virtual tour.  Is there a coat closet and a linen closet or just one closet downstairs?  Any closets or storage upstairs other than the closets in the bedrooms? Any other thoughts or opinions about the family housing would be greatly appreciated.  I have two kids so would be looking at getting a 3 bedroom townhouse.  Thanks!!



1. Yes, I live in two-bedroom townhouse.

2. The heating system is pretty even.  The smaller bedroom upstairs seems to be slightly colder than the rest of the house, but not by more than 3 or 4 degrees.  We tend to keep the heat low anyway, becuase we are cold-weather folks.

3. The walls aren't paper-thin, but the construction on the buildings is not great.  They were built in the 60s or 70s, and the maintnance crew appears to only fix things once they break.  However, it would really help if I knew where (geographically) you were comming from.  Expectations tend to really vary based on your prior housing experiences.  If I had this apartment in an old city like Boston, it would be considered a great place (and probably cost twice as much).  If I had it in Southern California, it would be considered pretty poor.  The biggest problem is there are vents that run between apartments in the entryway.  Not only can we hear the neighbors when they are doing something loud (like playing their piano, or when their baby is crying), but we can smell what they are cooking.  The couple we live next to is from mainland China, and some of what they cook would probably smell pretty terrible to most couples (we don't mind, because we love traditional Chinese food).

4.  I haven't lived in an apartment with a dishwasher in 5-6 years.  My SO does the dishes.

5. The price is unbeatable if space is important to you.  The apartment has more room than we know what to do with.  However, you can get a nicer, newer, but smaller apartment in the same or similar area for not much more, so it is not the right move for everyone. 

6. There is one large closet downstairs and a small closet in each bedroom.  You will almost certainly need an additional dresser for the bedrooms.  The downstairs closet is big enough that we use one half for coats/shoes, and the other half for te same function that we used our linnen closets for (although we don't use them for storing linens).  The more important thing that you can't tell from the virtual tour is that the apartment comes with a very large basement, which provides a ton of storage room and washer/dryer hookups.

7. Other thoughts: if you come to visit, either let me know or ask the admissions office to set you up with a student who lives here so you can tour a furnished apartment.  When empty it is hard to understand (1) how spacious everything is, (2) how livable it can be once you add furniture (the empty apartments just look dreary and sad).  There are a lot of bugs around, especially small spiders in the summer.  There is also an occaisional skunk, which can be quite umpleasant (we couldn't sleep on night becuase on sprayed right outside our back door).  The kitchens are definitely on the small side, but manageable.  The area around family housing is actually pretty great.  The bus runs to campus frequently and is usually on time.  There are stores and shops within walking distance, so you don't have to drive downtown to purchase things.  There aren't many undergrads nearby, so it is pretty quiet and peaceful (other than the sounds of children playing outside). 

If you think of anything else you would like to ask, let me know.  There are certainly trade-offs to living here, but it has been good enough to us that we plan on staying next year.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Anne Shirley on January 06, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
Vapid,

You are talking about Northwood, right?  Do any of the three bedrooms have two bathrooms?  I've been lurking on this thread for awhile and all of the info has been really helpful. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Intuition on January 07, 2007, 01:23:44 AM
Have you been to the Heidelberg yet? Downstairs is a great bar. Know the owner and bartender, unless they have moved on, both are awesome.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on January 07, 2007, 08:31:15 AM
Thanks for the Northwood housing info. Vapid.  That helps a lot with letting us know what to expect. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 08, 2007, 07:20:19 AM
Pickles, congrats on your admit!  I can't speak to the strength of the program, but there is an active Environmental Law group here.  They've already sponsored a big conference here on campus and took a really sweet canoeing trip at the beginning of last semester.

wilax, sorry I didn't respond earlier.  I'd be happy to meet up with you and your fiancee next weekend, but I'll warn you now.  I'm liable to be one grumpy, snarky female dog... I have to take two more finals between now and Friday (and then catch up on the new work for this semester, since classes start on Weds.)  I'm going to be a much nicer person as of next week.

Joking aside, definitely let us know as your plans evolve.  I won't be able to organize anything but would be happy to grab a bite or whatever.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: MachoBreeze on January 08, 2007, 08:36:44 AM
is health insurance included in the tuition and fees you pay each year or is it something you need to purchase separately?

if the former, is umich's health plan a good one?

if the latter, do you have any suggestions for a good way to shop around for a health plan or do you know of any health plans that cater to grad students?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 08, 2007, 09:04:59 AM
is health insurance included in the tuition and fees you pay each year or is it something you need to purchase separately?

if the former, is umich's health plan a good one?

if the latter, do you have any suggestions for a good way to shop around for a health plan or do you know of any health plans that cater to grad students?

All students have access to UMich's health services as part of the tuition and fees.  It's probably the best university health system that I've ever had access to, and all of the routine care that you can anticipate needing is covered.

That said, I think it's a HUGE mistake not to get real health insurance as a backup.  It won't be much comfort that you have access to a great clinic if you have a major accident, or need surgery, or just have a chronic condition.  I'll tell you, after the experience with my father I feel more strongly about this than ever.  He's a totally healthy, fit guy in his mid-50s who had no obvious heart problems (when they did the catheterization, his arteries were spotless.)  In the space of a week he learned that he was born with a previously undiagnosed heart valve defect, found that this had weakened his aorta and caused a huge aneurysm right above his heart, and had to go in for MAJOR open-heart surgery.  He ended up being in the hospital for two weeks b/c of complications (he's doing well now, tho :)), and while most of the bills haven't rolled in, we're estimating that the final tally will be mighty near (if not over) $100,000.  In other words, he'd be finished financially if he didn't have health insurance.  So many students fall back on the good old "I'm healthy, and it's just three years" platitude, but it's quite a gamble. 

Anyway, /hysteria.  I went with the Chickering group plan.  It's developed and administered just for UMich students.  I thought it was a better value than anything I could buy on my own.  It's not the most comprehensive plan ever designed, but it suits my needs (and b/c of my little friend I probably use my health insurance more than many law students.  I go for regular MRIs and blood work and see a specialist a few times a year.)  I have blocked all memories of the cost, but you can find the details on the Chickering website - just search for Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on January 09, 2007, 11:18:48 AM
I'm trying to plan my trip to Michigan, and I have a quick question about ASW.  Do you remember from last year the basic schedule (what time things start on the first day, Thursday and what time they end on the last day, Saturday)?  I'm checking out airfare and seeing what times will work best.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 09, 2007, 11:32:17 AM
I'm trying to plan my trip to Michigan, and I have a quick question about ASW.  Do you remember from last year the basic schedule (what time things start on the first day, Thursday and what time they end on the last day, Saturday)?  I'm checking out airfare and seeing what times will work best.  Thanks!

jd2bee-

i emailed Mich last week to find this out (so i could schedule my flight and whatnot) and they said that for both weekends, check in is at 1 and that the event will be finished around 11:30 on sat.

hth  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: FossilJ on January 09, 2007, 11:35:29 AM
Vapid gets my vote for the most useful/helpful poster on LSD.


Yes, Jolie, you are great as well, but this guy is f-ing organizing *&^%!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on January 09, 2007, 11:37:57 AM
Vapid gets my vote for the most useful/helpful poster on LSD.

This is true.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on January 09, 2007, 12:29:05 PM
I'm trying to plan my trip to Michigan, and I have a quick question about ASW.  Do you remember from last year the basic schedule (what time things start on the first day, Thursday and what time they end on the last day, Saturday)?  I'm checking out airfare and seeing what times will work best.  Thanks!

jd2bee-

i emailed Mich last week to find this out (so i could schedule my flight and whatnot) and they said that for both weekends, check in is at 1 and that the event will be finished around 11:30 on sat.

hth  :)

Awesome - that helps soooo much!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on January 09, 2007, 01:01:33 PM
I'm trying to plan my trip to Michigan, and I have a quick question about ASW.  Do you remember from last year the basic schedule (what time things start on the first day, Thursday and what time they end on the last day, Saturday)?  I'm checking out airfare and seeing what times will work best.  Thanks!

jd2bee-

i emailed Mich last week to find this out (so i could schedule my flight and whatnot) and they said that for both weekends, check in is at 1 and that the event will be finished around 11:30 on sat.

hth  :)

Oh really, that early?  So then, there are actual events on Thursday evening?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 09, 2007, 03:04:01 PM
I'm trying to plan my trip to Michigan, and I have a quick question about ASW.  Do you remember from last year the basic schedule (what time things start on the first day, Thursday and what time they end on the last day, Saturday)?  I'm checking out airfare and seeing what times will work best.  Thanks!

jd2bee-

i emailed Mich last week to find this out (so i could schedule my flight and whatnot) and they said that for both weekends, check in is at 1 and that the event will be finished around 11:30 on sat.

hth  :)

Oh really, that early?  So then, there are actual events on Thursday evening?

Thursday consists of a welcome by Dean Z and then an introductory talk by Dean Caminker. Then there is a 1L panel where 5 or 6 1Ls talk and you can ask questions of them. Then there are tours, or there is also a short time for tours before the Deans talk. There is a dinner where you can awkwardly sit with other accepted prospectives. Then there is a dessert in the reading room where the basement groups have tables set up with information and representatives, so you can meet with the members of any club or group you might be interested in.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 09, 2007, 03:16:59 PM
Is anyone else planning on attending the first admitted student weekend?  There seem to be a ton of potential Michigan 0L's on this board.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Violet247 on January 09, 2007, 03:21:21 PM
I'm definitely going that first weekend... the 23rd weekend seems to be over quadruple booked with other schools' weekends...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 09, 2007, 04:08:14 PM
We should all arrange some sort of LSD get together at the ASW, maybe we could meet some of the 1L's who have been so helpful on this thread. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on January 09, 2007, 04:28:25 PM
i will probably go to the first weekend as well, i want to see michigan during its coldest ASW.  i am definately down for meeting some people, even though i'm not on here much, most 0L's for UM seem very nice/cool.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 09, 2007, 04:39:25 PM
Yup, I'm going to the first weekend--submitted those dates for vacation time today!!

I'll definitely  link up with yall, just lemme know the details.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 09, 2007, 06:12:56 PM
I think someone had mentioned earlier that Michigan provides cheap rooms for preview weekends.  Did I imagine that or was that how it was last year?  I'm trying to get things in order for the first weekend and this will definitely be helpful to know, especially since I will almost surely have to make the flight on Wednesday if I want to make it to Ann Arbor for the 1pm start on Thursday.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 09, 2007, 07:11:26 PM
I think someone had mentioned earlier that Michigan provides cheap rooms for preview weekends.  Did I imagine that or was that how it was last year?  I'm trying to get things in order for the first weekend and this will definitely be helpful to know, especially since I will almost surely have to make the flight on Wednesday if I want to make it to Ann Arbor for the 1pm start on Thursday.

Last year, it was $20 per night per person for a pretty nice room (although some people had to share).  Also, someone came in early last year and the admissions office was able to secure him an extra night at the same price.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 09, 2007, 07:28:04 PM
I think someone had mentioned earlier that Michigan provides cheap rooms for preview weekends.  Did I imagine that or was that how it was last year?  I'm trying to get things in order for the first weekend and this will definitely be helpful to know, especially since I will almost surely have to make the flight on Wednesday if I want to make it to Ann Arbor for the 1pm start on Thursday.

Last year, it was $20 per night per person for a pretty nice room (although some people had to share).  Also, someone came in early last year and the admissions office was able to secure him an extra night at the same price.

Nice!  In that case, I will be contacting them tomorrow to ask about admitted student arrangements and the like.  I don't think they've updated their admitted student website with this year's information yet (or they hadn't when last I checked).

If they can do something similar where an extra night is $20, I'll definitely be leaving on Wednesday.  That would give me time to walk around the local area to check out things I might not otherwise see.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Violet247 on January 09, 2007, 07:38:58 PM
We should all arrange some sort of LSD get together at the ASW, maybe we could meet some of the 1L's who have been so helpful on this thread. 

I'm all about meeting up with some previous under the deskers... if everyone is as wonderful as their food was then it should be a great time :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 09, 2007, 11:24:36 PM
I think someone had mentioned earlier that Michigan provides cheap rooms for preview weekends.  Did I imagine that or was that how it was last year?  I'm trying to get things in order for the first weekend and this will definitely be helpful to know, especially since I will almost surely have to make the flight on Wednesday if I want to make it to Ann Arbor for the 1pm start on Thursday.

Last year, it was $20 per night per person for a pretty nice room (although some people had to share).  Also, someone came in early last year and the admissions office was able to secure him an extra night at the same price.

Nice!  In that case, I will be contacting them tomorrow to ask about admitted student arrangements and the like.  I don't think they've updated their admitted student website with this year's information yet (or they hadn't when last I checked).

If they can do something similar where an extra night is $20, I'll definitely be leaving on Wednesday.  That would give me time to walk around the local area to check out things I might not otherwise see.

This is ideally my plan as well . . . I've never actually been to an ASW before, and am oddly excited.

Ditto.  If I find out anything useful, please believe I'll post it here.  For anyone else who might contact the admissions office or anything, please feel free to post about what you learn.  I plan to buy tickets and everything for this one as soon as I know the hotel situation (so I know about coming in on Wednesday instead of Thursday).

If you all want to get together or whatever, I'd be cool with that too.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: mudpies on January 10, 2007, 12:51:26 PM
What's MAP? Thanks to all the current students!  :)

 

4) If you go to Michigan, do the MAP program if at all possible. 

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on January 10, 2007, 02:27:53 PM
I just got in!!!  I'll prob be at the first weekend as well...Does anyone know what the dress code is for these types of things?  Should I bring any "dressy" clothes (ie. black pants as opposed to jeans?)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on January 10, 2007, 02:33:45 PM
congrats daydreamer!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on January 10, 2007, 03:18:56 PM
i'm gonna dress like a preppy in a diamond sweater vest :o :o

hth
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on January 10, 2007, 04:17:03 PM
i'm gonna dress like a preppy in a diamond sweater vest :o :o

hth

Crap, does that mean I can't wear mine?

mine's pink on purple, just make sure not to wear the same color,  we don't wanna look stupid now.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 10, 2007, 04:18:07 PM
Gengis, you still coming to the first ASW?  I put in my vacation time...


and I want to know about dress code too!!! 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 10, 2007, 04:33:20 PM
Like everything at Michigan, nothing is overly formal. Many people last year wore "business casual" (i.e. black pants and a sweater) but there are plenty of people wearing jeans, khakis, repping their undergrad institutions with various apparel. I would say do whatever is most comfortable for you. You could wear something "nicer" to the Thursday events like the dinner and dessert, and go more casual for Friday, with the mock class and a bunch of panel sessions. To quote a panelist at last year's ASW, you're in a place where you can go dancing on Saturday night wearing hiking boots and you won't feel out of place.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 10, 2007, 04:51:42 PM
Like everything at Michigan, nothing is overly formal. Many people last year wore "business casual" (i.e. black pants and a sweater) but there are plenty of people wearing jeans, khakis, repping their undergrad institutions with various apparel. I would say do whatever is most comfortable for you. You could wear something "nicer" to the Thursday events like the dinner and dessert, and go more casual for Friday, with the mock class and a bunch of panel sessions. To quote a panelist at last year's ASW, you're in a place where you can go dancing on Saturday night wearing hiking boots and you won't feel out of place.

Thanks!  Given that, I'll probably be at least somewhat overdressed most of the time, but it's nice to know what to expect. :D

Heh...I've been living in South Texas for so long now that my dressiest clothes are probably khakis with a polo.  I'm fairly big on comfort as it is now (there are more than enough suits in my future), so anyone who is worried about sticking out for being underdressed, fear not!  Just kick it by me a little bit and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 10, 2007, 07:24:30 PM
Wait...so a tuxedo wouldn't be appropriate?  ;)

Since we don't really know the schedule of events yet, I'm hesitant to plan something.  But perhaps we could all do dinner on Friday or Saturday night?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 10, 2007, 07:26:02 PM
Wait...so a tuxedo wouldn't be appropriate?  ;)

Since we don't really know the schedule of events yet, I'm hesitant to plan something.  But perhaps we could all do dinner on Friday or Saturday night?

I'm game.


Question: How many of yall are leaving on Sat or are yall staying til Sun?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on January 10, 2007, 07:28:32 PM
Wait...so a tuxedo wouldn't be appropriate?  ;)

Since we don't really know the schedule of events yet, I'm hesitant to plan something.  But perhaps we could all do dinner on Friday or Saturday night?

I'm game.


Question: How many of yall are leaving on Sat or are yall staying til Sun?

I'm pretty sure I'll be leaving Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 10, 2007, 07:29:37 PM
Wait...so a tuxedo wouldn't be appropriate?  ;)

Since we don't really know the schedule of events yet, I'm hesitant to plan something.  But perhaps we could all do dinner on Friday or Saturday night?

I'm game.


Question: How many of yall are leaving on Sat or are yall staying til Sun?

I'll be leaving either Saturday night or Sunday morning.  I'll most likely have a couple connecting flights.  :(
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 10, 2007, 07:49:08 PM
Wait...so a tuxedo wouldn't be appropriate?  ;)

Since we don't really know the schedule of events yet, I'm hesitant to plan something.  But perhaps we could all do dinner on Friday or Saturday night?

I'm game.


Question: How many of yall are leaving on Sat or are yall staying til Sun?

I'm pretty sure I'll be leaving Saturday evening.

same here...

but I'm def down for a dinner...wonder if they have a Cheesecake Factory nearby  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Violet247 on January 10, 2007, 08:10:56 PM
We should do something more.. Ann Arbor than Cheesecake Factory!  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on January 10, 2007, 08:13:45 PM
We should do something more.. Ann Arbor than Cheesecake Factory!  :)

Like going to a bar in Ypsilanti?  There's nothing more Ann Arbor than doing things in the rough and tumble outskirts of Ann Arbor then running back to the ivory tower.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 10, 2007, 08:14:54 PM
I dunno...cheesecake is always a right answer...

Sunday or Saturday depends on the room situation.  I was crazy busy at work today so I didn't email them, then I realized there's really no reason for me to rush them.  I'm sure they'll get out the admitted student plans and room details as soon as possible, and it's not like it will magically materialize in my mailbox just because I asked for it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 10, 2007, 08:27:09 PM
Wait...so a tuxedo wouldn't be appropriate?  ;)

Since we don't really know the schedule of events yet, I'm hesitant to plan something.  But perhaps we could all do dinner on Friday or Saturday night?

Well, I'm just going off of last year and assuming it will pretty much be the same. From what I remember, they have sign-up sheets for student hosted dinners on Friday night, or else you're definitely free to do your own thing. Current students take a big group of admits (like 10-15 people) to various local restaurants and you sign up depending on what you want to eat, pizza, indian, italian, burgers, middle eastern, etc. I think some lsd people from last year did this, and just managed to sign a bunch of friends up on the same sign up sheet all at the same time so the group could be together.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on January 10, 2007, 08:28:02 PM
Wait...so a tuxedo wouldn't be appropriate?  ;)

Since we don't really know the schedule of events yet, I'm hesitant to plan something.  But perhaps we could all do dinner on Friday or Saturday night?

Well, I'm just going off of last year and assuming it will pretty much be the same. From what I remember, they have sign-up sheets for student hosted dinners on Friday night, or else you're definitely free to do your own thing. Current students take a big group of admits (like 10-15 people) to various local restaurants and you sign up depending on what you want to eat, pizza, indian, italian, burgers, middle eastern, etc. I think some lsd people from last year did this, and just managed to sign a bunch of friends up on the same sign up sheet all at the same time so the group could be together.

And the cost is covered by the law school?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 10, 2007, 09:23:19 PM
smiley, don't you have work to do?   :P

ugh.  I definitely had class from 9-9 today (with that precious 4:30 hr. break in the middle.)  We got a 122 page reading assignment tonight for class tomorrow.  Of course, that's not counting the reading for the 3 other classes that I have tomorrow.  And - oh yeah, that's right! - I have a %$#@ing final on Friday.

I know that it has been previously reported, here and elsewhere, that I love law school.  I must report that all such positive feelings are currently under review.  Please check back later. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 11, 2007, 06:15:24 AM
Jolie, hang in there =)  Also... remember you did learn to skim like a pro in grad school - just because we maybe forgot that skill to an extent last semester because we actually needed to read cases doesn't mean we can't bring it back!  I certainly am, so you can join me any time!

Also, I think the student-hosted dinners as the ASWs last year were primarily pay for yourself deals - though rumor has it a few current students did pay for some of it.  I was not actually there myself, but that's what I remember hearing last year after the events. 

Most of the events are planned to be the same as last year from what I heard from admissions - though I think they are foregoing the dessert reception for something else, or maybe it was just being moved... not sure.  Anyway, listen to smiley, who knows what's up.

Congrats to new admits!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 11, 2007, 07:10:35 AM
Jolie, don't worry, you'll be back in business soon! You have to be, you're our #1 enthusiast on LSD! Good luck with everything and I'd love to party with you/go to dinner this weekend if you're up for it!

As for the work, this week is light, I had my elective yesterday and then it's not again til next week. Plus, Contracts was cancelled for the entire week. So, believe it or not, I'm ahead. Damn, I'm such a gunner!  :D

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on January 11, 2007, 03:11:00 PM
Good luck on your final Jolie, just a little bit more.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: goodnews on January 12, 2007, 03:11:07 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm going to the 1st ASW, and would love to meet up with fellow admits!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 12, 2007, 04:41:52 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm going to the 1st ASW, and would love to meet up with fellow admits!

yay!!! :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 15, 2007, 03:58:44 PM
Ugh, we're on page 3???

A healthy bump for Michigan!!!

Jolie, why don't you report as to how things are going since you finished your exam on FRIDAY!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 15, 2007, 06:35:49 PM
Hey smiley!  Thanks for thinking of me! 
(I'm sure the fact that we were just talking IRL has nothing to do with this shout-out. ;))

I'm pleased to offer the following report:  now that my finals are over and I can put last semester to rest, I am once again happy to be in law school.  Phew! 

I can also say that I've been doing a lot of thinking about exams and law school culture, and I've realized that finals will never again seem as almighty and terrifying as they did until two months ago.  Students and profs and alums and those who profit off of law students' anxieties have all created such an elaborate mythology surrounding law exams.  Even at a school as laid-back as Michigan, exams are what we've been pointing toward all year, and they're always on people's lips.  From Day One, it's "don't worry about exams yet" or "don't worry if that doesn't make sense now - once you've done your studying for finals it'll all come clear." 

And then?  I just took my first round of exams under some of the worst conditions possible.  And by the time I'd dealt with the stress of my father's situation and my move to the new house, I just had nothing left for school.  I went into all of my exams more or less cold.  After six weeks away from school, all I did was glance over (someone else's) outlines for about four hours before each exam.  And I made it through.  And I'm sure I didn't distinguish myself, but they're going to let me stay. 

I don't know what my point is, really.  Not looking for any "poor Jolie" attention, and I certainly don't mean to be preachy.  I guess I just want to encourage all of my 0L friends to not get too caught up in the frantic maelstrom of exams.  The real learning happens all semester, when you're working your ass off and processing (due processing, if you're smiley :D) and participating in class.  Don't get me wrong - I'm sure I'm going to be bummed when grades come out, since I'm pretty sure I did my part to pad the bottom of the curve.  But there's no guarantee that I wouldn't have been there anyway, even with tons of study at the end.  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 16, 2007, 08:43:43 PM
Does Michigan have guranteed summer funding (especially for 1L summer)?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on January 16, 2007, 10:14:35 PM
Just visited UM this weekend and I thought I would post a couple quick thoughts on what I saw.  

1.  The most impressive thing about the school was how friendly and happy all the students were.  I met several of the LSD'ers, along with some other students, and everyone I met spoke glowingly of UM.  Nobody seemed overly stressed (though I am sure that would be different if it's were finals week).  One of the people I met even charecterized her first semester at law school as "a blast".  The atmosphere was amazing.  Everyone talked about their lives outside of the law school (something that is nonexistant at some other places) and people seemed to enjoy one another's company.
2.  The law school is gorgeous.  Can't even describe it.  My fiance told me it reminded her of Hogwart's.
3.  The housing situation, which had been one of main concerns, was better than I thought it would be.  There is alot of student houses downtown like at any big school, but there were also some really really nice complexes within about 4 miles of the school, along with lawyers club and family housing.
4.  Downtown Ann Arbor is awesome.  People complain about UM not being in a city, but there seemed to be more than enough to do and see.  On the other hand, the parking situation seems to be one of the main drawbacks.

Thanks to the people who met up with me, I really enjoyed meeting everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on January 16, 2007, 10:32:22 PM
Nice meeting you too, wilax. Glad to hear you had a good time. See you in the fall!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 17, 2007, 03:50:30 AM
what soonertbone said. :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 17, 2007, 07:15:59 AM
So, as a Michigan summer starter and former long-time lsder, I feel it is my duty to come out of the shadows and join this highly informative thread. Greetings all!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 17, 2007, 08:25:28 AM
So, as a Michigan summer starter and former long-time lsder, I feel it is my duty to come out of the shadows and join this highly informative thread. Greetings all!

Duck!


Just visited UM this weekend and I thought I would post a couple quick thoughts on what I saw. 

1.  The most impressive thing about the school was how friendly and happy all the students were.  I met several of the LSD'ers, along with some other students, and everyone I met spoke glowingly of UM.  Nobody seemed overly stressed (though I am sure that would be different if it's were finals week).  One of the people I met even charecterized her first semester at law school as "a blast".  The atmosphere was amazing.  Everyone talked about their lives outside of the law school (something that is nonexistant at some other places) and people seemed to enjoy one another's company.
2.  The law school is gorgeous.  Can't even describe it.  My fiance told me it reminded her of Hogwart's.
3.  The housing situation, which had been one of main concerns, was better than I thought it would be.  There is alot of student houses downtown like at any big school, but there were also some really really nice complexes within about 4 miles of the school, along with lawyers club and family housing.
4.  Downtown Ann Arbor is awesome.  People complain about UM not being in a city, but there seemed to be more than enough to do and see.  On the other hand, the parking situation seems to be one of the main drawbacks.

Thanks to the people who met up with me, I really enjoyed meeting everyone.

I'm glad to hear that you had a good time while here, and made it back home safely.  If I'm still in Ann Arbor this summer when you get in, we should get together again.  It was fun. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 17, 2007, 08:37:31 AM
Vapid! Wonderful job you have done with this thread here. Reading it makes me wish I didn't have to wait till May to see the real thing.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on January 17, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
Wow, lots of posts here. Well, I was just admitted and must say, I'm pretty thrilled. I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with the Environmental Law Practicum they could share. Also do people recommend attending the Preview weekend? (and how about the campus video game, that thing is ridiculous)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on January 17, 2007, 05:32:56 PM
I am now officially accepted!!!  Which means..  I can continue to ask questions since I've already been bugging you 1L's for the past couple of months. 

One of the aspects of Michigan that really caught my eye is that there is a Technology/Telecomm journal.  My entire education and decade of work experience is in Telecomm (on the technical side) so I have noticed that Michigan is the only one that has a Telecomm journal.  Do they offer any specialty classes, seminars, etc. in communications law?  Just wondering if there is a focus on this beyond the journal.

Thanks! 

I'm hoping to make it to the first preview weekend and would love to meet up with everyone.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on January 17, 2007, 05:35:35 PM
Hey smiley!  Thanks for thinking of me! 
(I'm sure the fact that we were just talking IRL has nothing to do with this shout-out. ;))

I'm pleased to offer the following report:  now that my finals are over and I can put last semester to rest, I am once again happy to be in law school.  Phew! 

I can also say that I've been doing a lot of thinking about exams and law school culture, and I've realized that finals will never again seem as almighty and terrifying as they did until two months ago.  Students and profs and alums and those who profit off of law students' anxieties have all created such an elaborate mythology surrounding law exams.  Even at a school as laid-back as Michigan, exams are what we've been pointing toward all year, and they're always on people's lips.  From Day One, it's "don't worry about exams yet" or "don't worry if that doesn't make sense now - once you've done your studying for finals it'll all come clear." 

And then?  I just took my first round of exams under some of the worst conditions possible.  And by the time I'd dealt with the stress of my father's situation and my move to the new house, I just had nothing left for school.  I went into all of my exams more or less cold.  After six weeks away from school, all I did was glance over (someone else's) outlines for about four hours before each exam.  And I made it through.  And I'm sure I didn't distinguish myself, but they're going to let me stay. 

I don't know what my point is, really.  Not looking for any "poor Jolie" attention, and I certainly don't mean to be preachy.  I guess I just want to encourage all of my 0L friends to not get too caught up in the frantic maelstrom of exams.  The real learning happens all semester, when you're working your ass off and processing (due processing, if you're smiley :D) and participating in class.  Don't get me wrong - I'm sure I'm going to be bummed when grades come out, since I'm pretty sure I did my part to pad the bottom of the curve.  But there's no guarantee that I wouldn't have been there anyway, even with tons of study at the end.  Does that make sense?


Congrats on getting through exams while dealing with a family crisis, that had to be super-tough.  At least you can breathe a big sigh of relief that they're over for now.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: FossilJ on January 17, 2007, 06:36:40 PM
Vapid! Wonderful job you have done with this thread here. Reading it makes me wish I didn't have to wait till May to see the real thing.

OH MY f-ing GOD!!!  I MISSED A DUCK POSTING!!!


COME BACK DUCK!!!  COME BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on January 17, 2007, 08:04:13 PM
A couple more quick questions:

#1:
Why in the reviews and discussions of the school does Detroit never come up. It seems that being 30-40 mins from a major city would affect things one way or another.

#2:
Given how positively everyone speaks about the school, any ideas why it doesn't show up on the 'Best Quality of Life' list at TPR? I only ask b/c Michigan and UVA seem so similar based on other factors (size, ranking etc.).

Congratulations to everyone else who's in, I look forward to meeting you all.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on January 18, 2007, 04:19:50 PM
I will not accept Michigan falling to the second page!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on January 18, 2007, 04:27:53 PM
nobody likes my questions
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on January 18, 2007, 05:49:41 PM
Question about ASW- what time do events generally start on the Thursday?  (trying to plan my flight!!)  Will we be able to stay with student hosts?  When will we get more info about them?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on January 18, 2007, 06:40:54 PM
Well, when I came I think the event started in the afternoon. Like, you could show up any time between 1 and 4, or something. But if you're trying to plan a trip, you should just call the admissions office rather than relying on my poor memory.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 18, 2007, 06:42:37 PM
nobody likes my questions

same...I asked a question about guranteed summer funding and no one answered  :-[
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 18, 2007, 07:28:26 PM
I think I can explain the hush that's fallen over this thread:

We're all getting a good, sound spanking.  The new semester is barely a week old, and everyone is already walking around like suicide on a stick.

I think in general we all just have a lot more on our plates right now than we did at any point last semester.  I haven' gotten more than four or five hours of sleep in a night since...gah, who can remember that far back?  My elective (that really exciting class of which I spoke so glowingly a few pages back) is literally sucking the life force out of me...it's an amazing class, but it's compressed into three weeks.  So 9 hours of class a week, about 120-150 pages of reading a night, and a bunch of students walking around so dazed we look like Manson's people. 

You know what the sick thing is?  I still love it.  But anyway...so sorry that there's not more time to contribute.  I'll be of more use if I live through January.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ocdb8r on January 18, 2007, 09:08:27 PM
Hey everyone....

1st - hang in there, keep your studies a priority (as if I really needed to say that)

2nd - thanks so much for all this info

3rd - if/when you get some time to contribute again I would also like to know why Detroit is almost never mentioned in conversations....is there nothing worthwhile in Detroit?

...did I really write worth wild? ;-)

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on January 19, 2007, 07:52:32 AM
I think I can explain the hush that's fallen over this thread:

We're all getting a good, sound spanking.  The new semester is barely a week old, and everyone is already walking around like suicide on a stick.

I think in general we all just have a lot more on our plates right now than we did at any point last semester.  I haven' gotten more than four or five hours of sleep in a night since...gah, who can remember that far back?  My elective (that really exciting class of which I spoke so glowingly a few pages back) is literally sucking the life force out of me...it's an amazing class, but it's compressed into three weeks.  So 9 hours of class a week, about 120-150 pages of reading a night, and a bunch of students walking around so dazed we look like Manson's people. 

You know what the sick thing is?  I still love it.  But anyway...so sorry that there's not more time to contribute.  I'll be of more use if I live through January.   

Is it normal to be soooo stressful in the first week of classes?  That's a little frightening...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on January 19, 2007, 09:01:55 AM
You could easily spend three years in Ann Arbor and never feel the need to go to Detroit.  A lot of my law school friends did that.  I've been at the University for more than 4 years, and I've only been a handful of times.  It's not the kind of city that you decide to venture into for the day/night just to explore.  When people go, it's because there's a specific game/show/exhibit/etc. that they want to see, and then they usually leave right afterwards.  There might be some more things going on in the summer, such as festivals and the like, but most law students aren't around anyway.  Honestly, there's little that Detroit offers that you couldn't find elsewhere, which is why people tend to stay away from the city.  Ann Arbor gets its fair share of sporting events, concerts, art exhibits and other cultural experiences, and also has more restaurants than you could ever need.  It doesn't have the greatest shopping, but for that you'd go to Troy or Birch Run or even Chicago, not Detroit.  The airport's in between Detroit and Ann Arbor, but still far enough away that you're not technically in the city when you go there.     
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 19, 2007, 09:46:20 AM
I am now officially accepted!!!  Which means..  I can continue to ask questions since I've already been bugging you 1L's for the past couple of months. 

One of the aspects of Michigan that really caught my eye is that there is a Technology/Telecomm journal.  My entire education and decade of work experience is in Telecomm (on the technical side) so I have noticed that Michigan is the only one that has a Telecomm journal.  Do they offer any specialty classes, seminars, etc. in communications law?  Just wondering if there is a focus on this beyond the journal.

Thanks! 

I'm hoping to make it to the first preview weekend and would love to meet up with everyone.

Congats on the acceptance, Kencade.  I don't know anything about Telocomm work.  For classes, just go to the UM Law website, Current Students, Registrar, and then browse through the course lists for this year.  I imagine that your interest falls within the scope of the Enterntainiment, Media, and Arts Law Students Association, and also perhaps the Intellectual Property Students Association.  Both of these groups host events throught the year, some of which will undoubtedly be related to your interest (particularly if you actively participate in the groups).  Beyond that, I can't really say if additional resources exist, as I am unlikely to pay attention to any announcement that has Technology in the title.


A couple more quick questions:

#1:
Why in the reviews and discussions of the school does Detroit never come up. It seems that being 30-40 mins from a major city would affect things one way or another.

#2:
Given how positively everyone speaks about the school, any ideas why it doesn't show up on the 'Best Quality of Life' list at TPR? I only ask b/c Michigan and UVA seem so similar based on other factors (size, ranking etc.).

Congratulations to everyone else who's in, I look forward to meeting you all.

1. Detroit never comes up because most of us have never been.  In addition to what littlev pointed out (that none of us are aware of anything there that we can't get here), many Michigan law students chose Michigan becuase they didn't want to be in the middle of a large city like so many peer schools (Chicago, Penn, NW, NYU, Columbia).  I think that makes us less inclined to go out of our way to experience Detroit.  That said, I would go more often if it had an active Chinatown. 

2. I don't know anyone who has ever admitted to completing a Princeton Review survey, and I don't like how they hide the data results (for example, we don't know if the raw score difference between #1 and #10 is even significant).  So I tend to be a little skeptical of it.  I would guess that the biggest differences in students rankings are related to (1) access to nature (Ann Arbor is much more a city than Charlottesville), (2) weather (many Michigan 1Ls come from warm climates and the adjustment can be hard), (3) beer (this one is pure speculation). 

Question about ASW- what time do events generally start on the Thursday?  (trying to plan my flight!!)  Will we be able to stay with student hosts?  When will we get more info about them?

Last year the events started at 4pm with tours of the law school starting at 2pm.  I would call to make sure that plans aren't changing this year. 

The school offered nice hotel rooms for $20 per night per person (so you could bring a friend or an SO if you wanted to pay for them).  I would imagine student hosts are unavailable and unneded, although some students will volunteer to show you their Lawyer's Club room and/or their Northwood Apartment (family housing) if you are interested.


same...I asked a question about guranteed summer funding and no one answered  :-[
 

I don't think I understand your question.  What is it that you would like to fund?


Is it normal to be soooo stressful in the first week of classes?  That's a little frightening...

The first week or two of second semester is very different than the first week or two of first semester.  First, we have an extra class that just means more reading.  Second, many of us were too braindead from finals to spend our winter break on the job hunt (and Jolie has it harder than any of becuase she didn't have a break) so we now have to balance resume mailing, inteviews, etc. with schoolwork.  Third, almost all of us are attempting to come back to class with the same vigor that we had at the end of last semester, but the considerable amount of rust we have accumulated in three weeks away from school makes that nearly impossible.  Fourth, introductory materials tend to be dull, so many of us dissapointed that we don't have the attention span or enthusiasm for the work that we remember from last semester.

All of these things will be remedied shortly.  We'll adjust to the new reading schedule, the job hunt will end, we'll shake off the rust, and we'll get to the challenging and facinating legal puzzles in our new subjects.  Until then, however, suicide on a stick is a pretty apt description.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 19, 2007, 09:47:26 AM
same...I asked a question about guranteed summer funding and no one answered  :-[
 

I don't think I understand your question.  What is it that you would like to fund?


Summer funding for 1L summer if I didn't get a firm job and did something like clerking or summer RAing.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 19, 2007, 10:12:47 AM
same...I asked a question about guranteed summer funding and no one answered  :-[
 

I don't think I understand your question.  What is it that you would like to fund?


Summer funding for 1L summer if I didn't get a firm job and did something like clerking or summer RAing.

No, funding is not guaranteed.  A group called Student Funded Fellowships gives out grants to students who chose to take public interest jobs.  You have to apply for the grants, and only about 50% of applicants recieve them.  The grant amount is $3,250.  Judicial internships (clerking is what you do for a judge after law school), and Research Assistant positions are not eligable for the SFF grants (although most government work is).  The student budget is generally large enough to cover your cost of living over the summer if you chose to stay in Ann Arbor (or if you have a 9 month lease and can find a reasonably priced place in the city you will be working in; or if you are willing to sub-let).  The people who really need to worry about funding are those who will be leaving behind a spouse or SO and must pay for two seperate places to live (especially if you are attempting to work in an expensive city like New York). 

On a side-note, Research Assistants get paid for their work (just so you know). 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 19, 2007, 11:24:00 AM
Detroit - Another thing to consider is that even with a large city 45 minutes away, that's still a ways.  If you wanted to go to a show or dinner or museum there, it takes 90 minutes at least for the travel - so it's a bigger deal.  Other than for apple-picking, I'd say relatively few students have left town except to visit family.  It's the same with most schools in towns close to but not in a large city.  Now, I actually do plan to go check out Detroit as I've said on this thread before.  It's just that my partner's job is 45 minutes away from A2 in a different direction, so it's hard to find the time except on a weekend when we are usually trying to catch up with each other finally.  But if I get out there before you all come to school here, I'll be sure to let you know!

Summer funding - for public interest jobs you also have other options besudes just SFF as Vapid mentioned.  Some student orgs give fellowships for the summer.  There are Equal Justice Works summer fellowships (nationally compeitive but we seem to get more than our fair share).  Some particular jobs come with money (Servicemembers Legal Defense Network comes to mind, they have a position just for a UM student as well as another position... both with fellowship money).  Check out here for more info - http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/PublicService/funding.htm

Environmental Law - check out the Environmental Law Society would be the best source for information.  I believe you can email them from a link on their website (http://students.law.umich.edu/els/).  I'm not really sure of the answer to your question about a Practicum though.  Could you be more specific?

Telecomm Journal/Classes - I second Vapid's suggestions.  You can also check out the student orgs he mentioned at http://students.law.umich.edu/emalsa/ and http://students.law.umich.edu/ipsa/  I know we have a hot shot in intellectual property, Jessica Litman.  Do you have more specific interests in communications that might help us answer your questions?


Finally - I agree with Jolie.  Second semester 1Ls take 17 credits which is more than we are ever allowed to take any other semester (the limit then is 15).  For some reason my legal practice professor seems to think that's our only class.  Plus I was swamped with a moot court brief that just got submitted.  So sorry for our delays.  Don't forget to check out the school's website for answers though - because for factual stuff it's probably your best bet.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on January 19, 2007, 01:37:47 PM
Hey, I just wanted to make sure, is ASW (which I'm guessing is Admitted Students Wknd the same thing as Preview Wknd?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 19, 2007, 01:39:01 PM
Another thing about why the first few weeks of this semester are different:

I think most of us got really comfortable with our old classes. You knew the workload well, which classes you could "read" for and which classes you had to READ for. You knew professor expectations, which ones cold called and which ones didn't and you understood the system by which they called. I had one professor who called on someone the first class and then never did it again the entire semester. Another professor called on people to go over, in detail, the entire case, after which, you were pretty much freed up from such expectations for the rest of the semester.

So, I think many of us are just getting our feet wet, new subjects, new professors, new sets of expectations, new ways the different group dynamics are emerging...

And of course all the other things that everyone else said: we haven't gotten grades yet, we're looking for jobs, some of us are being saddled with extracurricular work (I am in the process of getting a club up and running, plus trying to work on another club's fundraiser in March) like moot court or other competitions, we have an extra class with reading, a new professor, and (gasp) people NOT in our super-sections!!!

Nonetheless, I echo Jolie in saying that I think my classes are really fascinating this semester and the professors are incredible. I feel really engaged and incredibly thankful to be at this school.

Good grief, I totally apologize for using "really" and "incredible" two times.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on January 19, 2007, 07:25:03 PM
I am now officially accepted!!!  Which means..  I can continue to ask questions since I've already been bugging you 1L's for the past couple of months. 

One of the aspects of Michigan that really caught my eye is that there is a Technology/Telecomm journal.  My entire education and decade of work experience is in Telecomm (on the technical side) so I have noticed that Michigan is the only one that has a Telecomm journal.  Do they offer any specialty classes, seminars, etc. in communications law?  Just wondering if there is a focus on this beyond the journal.

Thanks! 

I'm hoping to make it to the first preview weekend and would love to meet up with everyone.

Congats on the acceptance, Kencade.  I don't know anything about Telocomm work.  For classes, just go to the UM Law website, Current Students, Registrar, and then browse through the course lists for this year.  I imagine that your interest falls within the scope of the Enterntainiment, Media, and Arts Law Students Association, and also perhaps the Intellectual Property Students Association.  Both of these groups host events throught the year, some of which will undoubtedly be related to your interest (particularly if you actively participate in the groups).  Beyond that, I can't really say if additional resources exist, as I am unlikely to pay attention to any announcement that has Technology in the title.  

Thanks Vapid and Smiley, I'll check out those student orgs.  Not sure yet what area I'm interested in, but I attended a lecture/debate on Net Neutrality that has piqued my interest in Internet law.  Can't wait to meet all of you in March.

Good luck with that mountain of work. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 19, 2007, 07:55:28 PM
I know this isn't really asking a 1L anything, but is anyone else getting a little annoyed that the preview weekend information hasn't been put up yet?  I'd really like to beat the spring break rush on flight bookings.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 19, 2007, 08:04:16 PM
I know this isn't really asking a 1L anything, but is anyone else getting a little annoyed that the preview weekend information hasn't been put up yet?  I'd really like to beat the spring break rush on flight bookings.

I feel you.

But I did ask admissions and I know that check in begins at 1:30 on both thursdays and the event should be done by 12noon on the saturdays.  So book away!


But, you have a Darrow, so just let them book it for you!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 19, 2007, 08:11:26 PM
Thanks Vapid and Smiley, I'll check out those student orgs.  Not sure yet what area I'm interested in, but I attended a lecture/debate on Net Neutrality that has piqued my interest in Internet law.  Can't wait to meet all of you in March.

Good luck with that mountain of work. 

Yeah, I went to a panel called "Is Poking a Tort?" which was quite fun.  Internet law could be cool if I wasn't technologically handicapped.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on January 19, 2007, 09:49:26 PM
Does Mich reimburse for some of the flight expenses?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 20, 2007, 09:24:39 AM
More on Detroit - Michigan students are super helpful to each other and so someone asked for Detroit suggestions and got about 100 things to do in the city and its suburbs.  Much of it is museums (art, Motown, Ford, etc).  But looks like Detroit has some good eating too, and fun bars.  So fret not, Detroit is apparently a place some Michigan students DO go to and enjoy!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Blue22 on January 21, 2007, 12:51:20 PM
Quick question....would it be horrible if you COULDN'T visit up there before hand? I've really started to fall hard for Michigan, even though I never intended to apply, but I'm not gonna be able to get off work, nor can I afford going up there right now? Any advice on how to make the best educated judgement without being able to visit?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 21, 2007, 02:11:37 PM
Quick question....would it be horrible if you COULDN'T visit up there before hand? I've really started to fall hard for Michigan, even though I never intended to apply, but I'm not gonna be able to get off work, nor can I afford going up there right now? Any advice on how to make the best educated judgement without being able to visit?

If it is a dark horse candidate, you probably have a few other places you'd really like to be...will you be attending any other weekends?

It won't be the same, but I hope to bring a digital camera with me and take a few pics.  I'll put them online and let check 'em out.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Blue22 on January 21, 2007, 02:14:35 PM
It would be great if you could post them...actually, I won't be able to visit any of my top 3 choices- however, I've been to DC so I'm used to the area. If you could post pics that would be great!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on January 21, 2007, 03:56:50 PM
Does Mich reimburse at all for travel expenses for ASW?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on January 21, 2007, 04:00:53 PM
Does Mich reimburse at all for travel expenses for ASW?

They virtually pay for your hotel.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 21, 2007, 04:29:06 PM
I booked my ticket for the first ASW!  I look forward to meeting everyone. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 21, 2007, 04:32:07 PM
I booked my ticket for the first ASW!  I look forward to meeting everyone. 

I'm going to book mine 2morrow.  What time is your flight arriving?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 21, 2007, 05:01:35 PM
I couldn't find a flight that got in early enough on Thursday (I have to make at least one plane change) so I'm getting in late Wednesday night. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 21, 2007, 07:01:58 PM
Ok so for those of you who have bought tickets...you haven't reserved a hotel room or anything like that yet right?  My mom keeps bugging me about it.


Sigh.  I wish that Mich would set up the ASW site already!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 21, 2007, 07:09:17 PM
Ok so for those of you who have bought tickets...you haven't reserved a hotel room or anything like that yet right?  My mom keeps bugging me about it.


Sigh.  I wish that Mich would set up the ASW site already!!

No, I haven't.  I'm just going off of last years info.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ocdb8r on January 21, 2007, 07:46:19 PM
There's been some recent talk about extra curricular activities (moot court).  Can someone go over what's available to 1L's to participate in and what their experiences are.

Thx
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 21, 2007, 07:50:05 PM
Ok so for those of you who have bought tickets...you haven't reserved a hotel room or anything like that yet right?  My mom keeps bugging me about it.


Sigh.  I wish that Mich would set up the ASW site already!!

No, I haven't.  I'm just going off of last years info.

is this info on the admitted site or just the regular site?  tyia
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 21, 2007, 10:03:26 PM
Ok so for those of you who have bought tickets...you haven't reserved a hotel room or anything like that yet right?  My mom keeps bugging me about it.


Sigh.  I wish that Mich would set up the ASW site already!!

No, I haven't.  I'm just going off of last years info.

is this info on the admitted site or just the regular site?  tyia

Well their site says the admitted weekend will be from March 8-10.  Last years admits said that the ASW usually begins at around 2:00 on Thursday.  They have also said that UMich offers hotel rooms for $20 a night.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 22, 2007, 04:44:16 AM
Well their site says the admitted weekend will be from March 8-10.  Last years admits said that the ASW usually begins at around 2:00 on Thursday.  They have also said that UMich offers hotel rooms for $20 a night.

All of this is true.

I'm thinking of volunteering to help with the ASWs.  There is a meeting this Wednesday, so if I find out any other useful info that I'm allowed to pass along, I will do so.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 22, 2007, 05:28:46 AM
There's been some recent talk about extra curricular activities (moot court).  Can someone go over what's available to 1L's to participate in and what their experiences are.

Thx

Basically anything you can find on the journals and orgs website is fair game for 1Ls except journals (although I think the Journal of Race and Law allowed summer started to join for Winter Semester).  So most organizations have 1L board positions and you can also run for any of the regular positions.  Moot courts are open to 1Ls with the exception of Campbell, which is the law school's internal competition.  That begins in October so I think they figure it's too early for 1Ls.  We send teams to Moot Courts on Civil Rights, Civil Liberties (ACS), Environmental Law, Sexual Orientation Law, International Law, Child Welfare Law... I think there might be others but that's what I can remember.  We also just got a Mock Trial group started.  We've done well at most of these each year and sometimes 1L teams beat out 2/3L teams so don't be scared.  Moot Court takes a ton of work... though if you plan ahead and don't procrastinate I hear it's pretty managable.  I'm a big procrastinator and so is my partner so we were hosed.  But it was/is still a great experience.  We do not have a moot court advisor though some student orgs organize the teams for particular moot courts and they provide some experience and coaches.  Faculty are really supportive and surprised to see 1Ls doing moot court - so if you are thinking about litigation or you just want something a bit more applied, it's a REALLY good thing to do. 

Otherwise, organizations and leadership positions are all about the 1Ls.  You also can serve on law school committees (for the administration) and on law school senate if you are elected.  So it's easy to get involved, and easy to get overinvolved if you are a joiner.  It's also totally fine to not really be involved at all, though I hear firms like to see something extracurricular on your resume (of course I don't plan to ever apply to a firm so really this does not matter to me).  There's also support for new organizations if you don't find what you are looking for.

Any specific questions that I didn't answer about that?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on January 22, 2007, 01:58:49 PM
Sounds like it's easy to bite off more than you can chew.

In regard to moot court (and law school in general I guess) are people usually pretty good public speakers coming in? I was worried about this and am teaching a class for Kaplan in hopes of improving, but are students expected to be pretty comfortable right off the bat?

Also in regard to the beer comment about UVA, does this mean there isn't beer being drunk at UM? Also is there any kind of law school happy hour?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 22, 2007, 08:25:15 PM
Sounds like it's easy to bite off more than you can chew.

In regard to moot court (and law school in general I guess) are people usually pretty good public speakers coming in? I was worried about this and am teaching a class for Kaplan in hopes of improving, but are students expected to be pretty comfortable right off the bat?

Also in regard to the beer comment about UVA, does this mean there isn't beer being drunk at UM? Also is there any kind of law school happy hour?

There is plenty of beer being drunk at UM.  However, I have been told that we are one of the few top law schools that does not provide free beer at official law school functions, and bars in Ann Arbor are expensive.  Meanwhile, UVA students have a reputation as a "beer and softball" crowd, suggesting that (1) they are one of the schools that provides free beer, and (2) beer is a large part of their social interactions.  My completely speculative (and probably irresponsible) conclusion, then, is that UVA students drink beer more often and in larger groups that UM students.  Also, most of my drinking in law school happens in groups of 6 or less, involves liquor rather than beer, and is often associated with the completion of hard work (memos, finals, etc).  I would suspect that more frequent and more social drinking of less-intoxicating beverages on happier occaisions would result in students who are more inclined to rate their quality of life highly.  Just a guess.   

That said, I don't enjoy cheap beer and I don't spend much time at the parties of people who do, so my perspective is probably highly biased and may not be representative of the typical UM student.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 23, 2007, 01:25:48 PM
Alright -- someone get me up to speed.... 

Everyone's going to the first ASW?

Who is definitely in for the Fall '07?  Summer '07?

Yup I'm going for the first weekend.  Accepted for Fall '07...not sure if I'm definitely going, but it's #1 right now  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 23, 2007, 01:36:31 PM
Alright -- someone get me up to speed.... 

Michigan rules.  Our 1Ls are all amazing rockstars and the best people you could ever wish for as colleagues (Jolie notwithstanding.)  Second semester of 1L sucks giant hairy mammalian gonads, but law school is pretty fun overall.  Football.  Liquor.  Ann Arbor.  Housing.  The occassional substantive legal issue.  Michigan weather.  More liquor.

There.  That pretty much catches you up. :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on January 23, 2007, 01:46:21 PM
Mpark, you and I - admit weekend number 2!  It'll be on!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 23, 2007, 08:17:31 PM
I have a question not about the law school but Ann Arbor.  Does anyone know if you can enter bars in AA if you're under 21?  Unfortunately, I'll be 20 for the first few weeks of law school. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 23, 2007, 08:32:47 PM
I have a question not about the law school but Ann Arbor.  Does anyone know if you can enter bars in AA if you're under 21?  Unfortunately, I'll be 20 for the first few weeks of law school. 

I'm guessing it depends on the bar.  Some places take your ID at the door, others, probably ones that are also restaurants or pool halls, might look at your ID at the bar.

Ya, that's what I was thinking.  Sometimes areas have weird liquor laws though. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Broohaha on January 23, 2007, 11:17:51 PM
Advice for a summer starter about the best time to look for housing? Best to search for a sublet in Jan/Feb or wait till March/Apr? Is the sublet market really intense or is it more or less a buyer's market, meaning the later I commit, the more likely I am to get a really good rate?

Also, lawyer's club at $9300 works out to 1160/month for 8 months. granted, that includes food but considering there seem to be decent efficiencies/studios available for around $700-$800 per month that seems a bit much, right? Or is my calculation off b/c the rates for the efficiencies/studios in question are artifically low summer sublet rates? Do you think LC is a bit of a ripoff or is it a good bang for the buck? Or should I just say screw it and pay whatever considering I'll be paying 20x that in tution?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 23, 2007, 11:53:18 PM
I have a question not about the law school but Ann Arbor.  Does anyone know if you can enter bars in AA if you're under 21?  Unfortunately, I'll be 20 for the first few weeks of law school. 

I'm guessing it depends on the bar.  Some places take your ID at the door, others, probably ones that are also restaurants or pool halls, might look at your ID at the bar.

Ya, that's what I was thinking.  Sometimes areas have weird liquor laws though. 

Aww another youngster like me  :D

Oh well at least we're not alone in our young ways,  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on January 24, 2007, 06:22:00 AM
If you're looking for a summer sublet, they'll start becoming cheap and plentiful around March/April, and there are definitely more sublets than subletters, so you'll have your pick.  When deciding between the Lawyer's Club and living off-campus, keep in mind that most places will require that you sign a 12-month lease, so if you're not going to stay in town for the summers, you'll have to find a subletter for those months.  Then the supply/demand ratio is going to work against you and if you do get someone, you'll probably only get about half of your rent back each month and you might not be able to find someone for the entire summer.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 24, 2007, 06:39:40 AM
If you're looking for a summer sublet, they'll start becoming cheap and plentiful around March/April, and there are definitely more sublets than subletters, so you'll have your pick.  When deciding between the Lawyer's Club and living off-campus, keep in mind that most places will require that you sign a 12-month lease, so if you're not going to stay in town for the summers, you'll have to find a subletter for those months.  Then the supply/demand ratio is going to work against you and if you do get someone, you'll probably only get about half of your rent back each month and you might not be able to find someone for the entire summer.

I've seen some places listing 8 or 9 month leases.  Are those better if you can find them?  Also, what happens if you really like the place and want to lease for the next school year?  Feasible?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on January 24, 2007, 08:36:10 AM
If you can find a shorter term lease and they haven't raised the monthly price to compensate, great for you :)  I don't think they'd hold the apartment for you until the next fall if someone wanted to come in during the summer.  From my experience and what I've heard from others, local landlords aren't really too interested in what's good for the students.  There are enough people looking for places that the landlords are free to do what's best for them.  Before, you used to have to sign your lease for the next school year starting in October (so basically just after you moved in), but the city or the university got it changed so that now landlords can't ask if you want to renew your lease until November or December or something like that, which is a slight improvement.  You may luck out and find a really nice landlord who will work with you, but I don't think they're everywhere. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 24, 2007, 09:59:50 AM
How adequate do you students feel about the adequacy Michigan estimated stuent budget?  Is it easy or even possible to get them to raise their estimation?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on January 24, 2007, 12:58:56 PM
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How adequate do you students feel about the adequacy Michigan estimated stuent budget

Wow, havin some Wednesday afternoon cocktails? I'm jealous!!  :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 24, 2007, 03:27:51 PM
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How adequate do you students feel about the adequacy Michigan estimated stuent budget

Wow, havin some Wednesday afternoon cocktails? I'm jealous!!  :P

Oh man, don't I wish!  I do most of my posting from work, and I imagine that had something to do with what you quoted.  I hope.   

So let me rescue my question from the realm of the inscrutable:  How adequate do you students feel about the estimated student budget, and has the financial aid office been willing to work with you to raise the ~$14k roof?

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 24, 2007, 06:27:03 PM
PSA: Jolie is awesome.
:D

 
PSA II: Vapid knows everything.
yes, it does appear to be the case.

PSA III: I think I'm now leaning towards not trying to transfer to Michigan.

Does. not. compute.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 24, 2007, 09:39:23 PM
PSA: Jolie is awesome.
:D

Like you didn't already know that.  ::)

PSA III: I think I'm now leaning towards not trying to transfer to Michigan.

Does. not. compute.

 :D

Talk me into it, then.  :P

Well like, other than that you're all there, I don't really see the benefit.  The great thing about Michigan is that everyone down to the bottom of the class gets great jobs, right?  And if you're at a school like mine, you need to do fairly well or a lot of doors close.  But I think my grades are pretty good or transferring up would be out anyway (there's still one out, and it was my best class so I assume I did OK--knock on wood--but maybe it was everyone else's best class too or maybe I screwed up).  And then it's more expensive (although not crazy like Northwestern expensive) and moving's a hassle... so would it really be worthwhile?

Can you guarantee you won't, for whatever reason, see your grades slip over the next few years OR those of enough of your fellows improve to where your outside of the green zone?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 25, 2007, 04:41:14 AM
Well like, other than that you're all there, I don't really see the benefit. 

What more do you need?  Sheesh!

No, I hear what you're saying.  I still think that it would make sense for you to try, but I need to wait until I'm not so frickin frazzled to collect those thoughts and try for something like articulacy. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 25, 2007, 07:26:40 AM
Halfie, have you actually applied to transfer already, or are you still debating on that?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on January 25, 2007, 10:12:38 AM
I have a question!  :)

Are there good places to run in Ann Arbor? Is it safe to run alone near campus during the day? Howabout after dark? Are there any races in Ann Arbor?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on January 25, 2007, 10:18:52 AM
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Did you see that there is a jogging tour of Ann Arbor for the first weekend's orientation?  That looked like it could be fun.  And probably a good sign, too!

Yeah I did see that and I'm excited! 8 am though? I guess I'll be the sober sister Friday night! :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 25, 2007, 11:36:10 AM
Sarah, the real concern is not where to run but how to fit it in what with law school and all...I'm a several-time marathoner who is now woefully out of shape thanks to 1L.  (Although, in fairness, many of my friends have managed to work out enough to keep their asses at the appropriate girth, so perhaps it's just me.  :P)

But yes, there is fabulous running here.  I live a block from a series of trails through publicly-owned woods and do a lot of my running there.  There's also the Arboretum, which is a stupendous University-owned piece of riverfront land.  There's another series of trails along the Huron River.  And safe road running spots are plentiful, too.  There are a bunch of running groups which I keep swearing to join (ahem) since I was a pretty active NY Road Runner.  And yes, there have been many many races (mostly of the 5- and 10k variety) and no, I haven't done a single one of them. 

GCoop, I'll try to get to your question about electives as soon as I pull this motion to compel a mental examination out of my nether-parts.  Unless VU wants to tackle it?...we leave the substantive stuff to him. ;)

ETA:  that was an invitation for VU to tackle the question, not the motion to compel.  Just so's we're clear. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 25, 2007, 12:02:42 PM
OK, here's a question.

When it gets time to start taking elective classes, is there a lot of competition for popular professors or classes?  How does course selection work?  A lottery?  And is there someone there to help you craft a sort of coherent grouping of electives that build on each other, or are you on your own to craft a unique set of related classes towards the area you are interested in?

There is some competition for clinics and seminars (becuase enrollment is limited and the topics are more interesting (e.g., Bloodfeuds, Faking It, Constitutionalism in South Africa), but since 1L electives are limited and interests are diverse, it is not bad at all.  The selection process is propbably too complicated to fully explian right now, but it is very fair and I like it a lot. 

Basically, you submit a list of the classes you would like to take and then classes are distributed based on your preference and year.  All lists are processed at the same time, so there is no need to monitor open/closed classes or to wake up at 6am to register before your classmates.  If there is a class you really want, you can expend a Priority (it either gets you into the class or you get it back).  Some seminars are also "Prof Pick" which means that you write a short statement of interest and the professor picks the class s/he wants.

As for course selection, there are lists like you describe on the website somewhere, but your 1L professors might be a better resource and will be happy to talk you through the ones that are most essential to your interests.


I have a question!  :)

Are there good places to run in Ann Arbor? Is it safe to run alone near campus during the day? Howabout after dark? Are there any races in Ann Arbor?

I'm not a runner myself, but I've seen more runners in Ann Arbor than anywhere I've ever lived.  People run through the friggin' snow!  It is completely safe to run around campus during the day.  After dark, especially on football weekends, I think it would be good to run with a buddy and to know which neighborhoods you are in.  Altough incidents of violence are rare, the fact remains that drunken rowdy students can be dangerous.  The Women's Law Student Association hosts an annual spring race (Race Ipsa - in 10 months, this will be HILARIOUS to you).  There may be more communitysponsored races, but they'd likely be in the summer and I'm not currently aware of them. 


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Did you see that there is a jogging tour of Ann Arbor for the first weekend's orientation?  That looked like it could be fun.  And probably a good sign, too!

Yeah I did see that and I'm excited! 8 am though? I guess I'll be the sober sister Friday night! :P

Drinking all night, up and active at 8am?  Welcome to law school. :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on January 25, 2007, 12:10:29 PM
Thanks Jolie and Vapid!!

I am really worried about keeping in good health while in law school! I'm taking a year off now, have an 8-5 job, and have gotten so used to getting 8 hours of sleep, eating healthy food, and exercising a lot... I feel great physically right now, and the thought of going back to a schedule where I sleep whenever I can, eat wahtever and whenever I can, and don't have enough time to run is really depressing! Oh well, I guess sacrifices have to be made to go to law school but still... :(   How much sleep do you get in a night? What's that like versus how much you would like to get? I get about 7.5 right now but while I was in school I oftentimes only got 5 or 6... ugh it's depressing me just thinking about that :(
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 25, 2007, 12:15:02 PM
Thanks Jolie and Vapid!!

I am really worried about keeping in good health while in law school! I'm taking a year off now, have an 8-5 job, and have gotten so used to getting 8 hours of sleep, eating healthy food, and exercising a lot... I feel great physically right now, and the thought of going back to a schedule where I sleep whenever I can, eat wahtever and whenever I can, and don't have enough time to run is really depressing! Oh well, I guess sacrifices have to be made to go to law school but still... :(   How much sleep do you get in a night? What's that like versus how much you would like to get? I get about 7.5 right now but while I was in school I oftentimes only got 5 or 6... ugh it's depressing me just thinking about that :(

Now is not the time to ask me this question.  Urgh.  I'm averaging 5 hours of sleep a night, rarely get to run during the week, and consider a meal while sitting down a luxury.  I'm over 30, for the love of god!  BUT, this semester started out with a bang and for some stupid reason I thought a course compressed into three weeks was a good idea.   :-\  Check in with me again in a few weeks, if I haven't jumped off a water tower.  Last semester was MUCH more manageable.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 25, 2007, 01:04:53 PM
Thanks Jolie and Vapid!!

I am really worried about keeping in good health while in law school! I'm taking a year off now, have an 8-5 job, and have gotten so used to getting 8 hours of sleep, eating healthy food, and exercising a lot... I feel great physically right now, and the thought of going back to a schedule where I sleep whenever I can, eat wahtever and whenever I can, and don't have enough time to run is really depressing! Oh well, I guess sacrifices have to be made to go to law school but still... :(   How much sleep do you get in a night? What's that like versus how much you would like to get? I get about 7.5 right now but while I was in school I oftentimes only got 5 or 6... ugh it's depressing me just thinking about that :(

Don't let Jolie scare you.  Last semester, I got 8 hours of sleep almost every night (Sometimes 9 or 10 on weekends).  This semester, my scheduele has been really chaotic, so I'm probably averaging about 6 during the week, but it's really like 4, 10, 6, 3, 8.  I'm trying to get settled into a more managable groove. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 25, 2007, 01:14:56 PM
Thanks Jolie and Vapid!!

I am really worried about keeping in good health while in law school! I'm taking a year off now, have an 8-5 job, and have gotten so used to getting 8 hours of sleep, eating healthy food, and exercising a lot... I feel great physically right now, and the thought of going back to a schedule where I sleep whenever I can, eat wahtever and whenever I can, and don't have enough time to run is really depressing! Oh well, I guess sacrifices have to be made to go to law school but still... :(   How much sleep do you get in a night? What's that like versus how much you would like to get? I get about 7.5 right now but while I was in school I oftentimes only got 5 or 6... ugh it's depressing me just thinking about that :(

Don't let Jolie scare you.  Last semester, I got 8 hours of sleep almost every night (Sometimes 9 or 10 on weekends).  This semester, my scheduele has been really chaotic, so I'm probably averaging about 6 during the week, but it's really like 4, 10, 6, 3, 8.  I'm trying to get settled into a more managable groove. 

Is that bc you treated first sem like a 9-5 job?  My mom and I were talking about that today--I want to have as much "free" time as possible during the weeknights and not feel I have to stay up all night studying and not get sleep (bc I'm soooooo not a morning person).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 25, 2007, 01:43:29 PM
Thanks Jolie and Vapid!!

I am really worried about keeping in good health while in law school! I'm taking a year off now, have an 8-5 job, and have gotten so used to getting 8 hours of sleep, eating healthy food, and exercising a lot... I feel great physically right now, and the thought of going back to a schedule where I sleep whenever I can, eat wahtever and whenever I can, and don't have enough time to run is really depressing! Oh well, I guess sacrifices have to be made to go to law school but still... :(   How much sleep do you get in a night? What's that like versus how much you would like to get? I get about 7.5 right now but while I was in school I oftentimes only got 5 or 6... ugh it's depressing me just thinking about that :(

Don't let Jolie scare you.  Last semester, I got 8 hours of sleep almost every night (Sometimes 9 or 10 on weekends).  This semester, my scheduele has been really chaotic, so I'm probably averaging about 6 during the week, but it's really like 4, 10, 6, 3, 8.  I'm trying to get settled into a more managable groove. 

Is that bc you treated first sem like a 9-5 job?  My mom and I were talking about that today--I want to have as much "free" time as possible during the weeknights and not feel I have to stay up all night studying and not get sleep (bc I'm soooooo not a morning person).

No.  I believe that treating law school as a 9-5 job is a terrible idea (if not downright impossible).  i think there is a post about this earlier, but class is about to start, so I'll write more later.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on January 25, 2007, 05:25:55 PM
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just wanted to say thanks to all the current Michigan students for all the answers/work they have done.

ditto! Is it just me or do current students at Michigan seem to have the most cheerful/helpful presence on LSD?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: randymarsh on January 25, 2007, 05:31:32 PM
Off topic: Sarah Alex, the thematic agreement between your avatar and application tracker is funny and awesome.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 25, 2007, 06:51:04 PM
Sarah, the real concern is not where to run but how to fit it in what with law school and all...I'm a several-time marathoner who is now woefully out of shape thanks to 1L.  (Although, in fairness, many of my friends have managed to work out enough to keep their asses at the appropriate girth, so perhaps it's just me.  :P)

Jolie - which of your friends are working out?  Don't count me in that group! =)


Re: electives - don't worry too much about getting classes you want because if you pay attention to how to work the system I think nearly everyone gets most classes they want over the course of time you are here.  I mean, there are a few really hard to get classes (some clinics in particular) but if it is important to you, you just keep trying.  I will actually disagree with Vapid about your 1L profs being a better resource than others about classes to take.  They aren't unhelpful but other students, the info on the academic services website about classes that fit interest areas, and your own interests are far more helpful in my opinion.  There are some classes nearly everyone takes (Tax, Jurisdiction, Evidence, Admin, Enterprise Organizations... though you don't HAVE to take any of them) but basically it comes down to what you are interested in academically and where you are headed for a career.  It's not that different from college in that way.  I haven't heard but a few rare complaints from 2Ls and 3Ls about getting classes generally so I think it works out.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 25, 2007, 08:09:10 PM
Halfie, have you actually applied to transfer already, or are you still debating on that?

Ducky!

Debating. With the exception of Georgetown, you only apply in the spring/summer and schools only consider you after your grades for the whole year are in.

Ah, well enjoy the debating then! Just remember that Jolie dies a little inside everytime someone decides not to attend or apply to Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on January 25, 2007, 08:18:42 PM
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Off topic: Sarah Alex, the thematic agreement between your avatar and application tracker is funny and awesome.

Off topic reply: Well... I'm actually from Fargo, so it kind of comes naturally  :)  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 25, 2007, 09:43:35 PM
Ah, well enjoy the debating then! Just remember that Jolie dies a little inside everytime someone decides not to attend or apply to Michigan.

 :D . . . I mean  :'(

You don't start until the summer, right?  Sick of waiting and ready for school to start yet?

Boy.  This is what I get for being so enthusiastic and earnest.  Go ahead...mock.  I'm already dead on the inside. 

(aka Motion due tomorrow. :()
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 25, 2007, 09:54:23 PM
Ah, well enjoy the debating then! Just remember that Jolie dies a little inside everytime someone decides not to attend or apply to Michigan.

 :D . . . I mean :'(

You don't start until the summer, right? Sick of waiting and ready for school to start yet?

Boy. This is what I get for being so enthusiastic and earnest. Go ahead...mock. I'm already dead on the inside.

(aka Motion due tomorrow. :()

See Halfie, it is happening already! (Jolie, seriously, good luck on the Motion!)

And yes, I start in the summer and it is a long wait. Time flies though.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on January 26, 2007, 07:10:53 AM
I'm still a little confused why Michigan makes 1Ls take an extra class during their second semester?  It seems like you 1Ls are going through hell right now, but no other 1Ls at other schools have it that bad...I guess what I'm saying is that it is kind of a turn-off that you guys are SOOO miserable right now (and don't sleep much)...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on January 26, 2007, 07:41:38 AM
I'm still a little confused why Michigan makes 1Ls take an extra class during their second semester?  It seems like you 1Ls are going through hell right now, but no other 1Ls at other schools have it that bad...I guess what I'm saying is that it is kind of a turn-off that you guys are SOOO miserable right now (and don't sleep much)...

Since I've whined more than anyone else about this (per normal), I should step in and defend my school here.  I think I'm a bit more overwhelmed than most of my peers because I haven't had any downtime since Thanksgiving.  Bear in mind that my situation was a bit, um, whack.  I came into this semester with no break whatsoever - I was still taking my finals from last semester when we started the new courses.  I was also totally fried by my little family crisis.  Add in the move to the new apartment and you get one Frazzled Jolie.  This was all compounded by the fact that my elective is compressed into three weeks - it's over as of next Thursday!! - and the fact that the second semester of Legal Practice is front-loaded. 

(By the way - I'm not trolling for sympathy here.  My constant complaining has yielded plenty of that sort of attention :D) 

In general I think that it's a positive that we get a first-year elective.  I happen to love the foundation courses (or most of them, anyway), but the elective is our first opportunity to branch out into the arena of the slightly more practical.  It's also the first opportunity to take classes with anyone other than our section-mates, and - bless their little hearts - I'm already so sick of them that this is a welcome departure. 

And, as Halfie said, this isn't really an "extra" class.  Michigan does Civ Pro in one semester (leaving jurisdiction for an entirely separate class.)  That frees up the spot for the elective.  We had three classes plus Legal Practice in the fall, and four classes plus Legal Writing now.  Any of my colleagues want to chime in with their assessments? 

Anyway, my first writing assignment is due in a few hours and my heinous schedule improves after next week, so I think we'll see a more chipper Jolie in the not-so-distant future.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 26, 2007, 10:18:15 AM
I very much agree with what Jolie is saying (big surprise there) about the elective. I'm pretty tired, but that's more my own doing than anything else. I think it's a positive thing to get to take another class other than our doctrinal courses and get to do something of interest to you personally and finally be with some other people than your 90 best friends from your big section. You also get to hear recommendations from your friends about the classes your might want to take in the future. There are people taking classes ranging from a seminar on Congressional Oversight of the Executive Branch (how fascinating and timely to be taking that class, right?) to the most popular class at Michigan law, Sports Law, taught by Sherman Clark. I prefer to think that we're all just adjusting, not complaining. And as I wrote in another post, you have to remember that we all just have more on our plates this semester already with jobs (some people will start Winter OCI in two weeks), extracurriculars, the UMich Law bowling league, and all the fabulous firm events where we're being swayed with free food and booze. We have all new schedules, new professors, new reading, new classes. Like with anything in law school, it's a challenge, but despite Jolie's obviously rampant clamor for sympathy  :P we all do love it here. (I get at least 7 hours a sleep a night, except for the last 2 nights and that was my fault, not the law school's.)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: KingofNJersey1 on January 27, 2007, 07:02:37 PM
Is there an intramural program @ Michigan, specifically for basketball?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on January 28, 2007, 01:10:26 PM
Ok, this is not really that important of a question, but just curious..  For those not living in places where all bills are paid, what are your gas and electric bills running you for what type of size place?  I was thinking that I would be looking at significantly less for heating and cooling than what I currently pay for a 2700 sq. foot house, but I read on some apartment reviews for AA that that the gas bills are atrocious ($300'ish) and I don't pay even close to that now, so I'm just curious about what the bills are running. 


On another subject - Vapid!!  Your tar is scaring me, your smiley face has turned to the dark side.  :D  I also see that grades are in - are the two events connected, perhaps? 

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Steve.jd on January 28, 2007, 01:15:35 PM
Ok, this is not really that important of a question, but just curious..  For those not living in places where all bills are paid, what are your gas and electric bills running you for what type of size place?  I was thinking that I would be looking at significantly less for heating and cooling than what I currently pay for a 2700 sq. foot house, but I read on some apartment reviews for AA that that the gas bills are atrocious ($300'ish) and I don't pay even close to that now, so I'm just curious about what the bills are running. 


On another subject - Vapid!!  Your tar is scaring me, your smiley face has turned to the dark side.  :D  I also see that grades are in - are the two events connected, perhaps? 



Sorry, to interrupt since I actually don't know the answer to this question.  However, I just found it interesting that you said a 300$ gas bill is outrageous inferring you pay less than that for a 2700 sq ft house.  To me this seems insanely cheap.  My parents (2000 sq ft. house) pay about 450 a month.  Although we live in the northeast - you may be in a warmer climate...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 28, 2007, 01:18:28 PM
On another subject - Vapid!! Your tar is scaring me, your smiley face has turned to the dark side. :D I also see that grades are in - are the two events connected, perhaps?



I think he just finally decided to put a self-tar up...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on January 28, 2007, 01:50:12 PM
Ok, this is not really that important of a question, but just curious..  For those not living in places where all bills are paid, what are your gas and electric bills running you for what type of size place?  I was thinking that I would be looking at significantly less for heating and cooling than what I currently pay for a 2700 sq. foot house, but I read on some apartment reviews for AA that that the gas bills are atrocious ($300'ish) and I don't pay even close to that now, so I'm just curious about what the bills are running. 

In our newly remodeled place (including new furnace and A/C) we pay about $250 for electric and gas combined in the winter so far (hasn't been that cold though so I expect it might go up to more like $300).  We have a gas water heater but electric kitchen appliances.  Our place is 900 sq ft finished, and 1350 sq ft. including the basement (which is heated though not finished).  So actually it's not as bad as I was fearing but it isn't cheap by any means.  I think if you are renting, looking for heat included is really key though not a deal-breaker.  It just helps with budgeting to not have the fluctuation that can be quite large.  We own our place so no bills are included, though water is part of our condo fee.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 28, 2007, 07:55:51 PM
Another quickie, hopefully:

What is MAP?  I've seriously searched everywhere for it, but it is a hard term to search for.  It seems like it's some kind of program before school starts?

MAP is awesome and I encourage everyone who ends up coming here to do it if you at all can. It's the Michigan Access Program and was formerly directed specifically towards minority students, but now it's open to everyone who wants to experience the Michigan community before actual orientation starts. There are several mock classes on different, really interesting topics taught by many of the professors that you will end up having. There's a chance to do oral arguments in front of professors who volunteer as the judge and get critiqued. And mainly it's just a chance to hang out with people in a smaller group that your super-sections will be and ask questions of the 2L and 3L MAP leaders that might not get addressed in forums like this or during orientation.

Many of the people with whom I'm the closest here at Michigan were those I met in that first few days at MAP. It's amazing how much your super-section takes over your social group, but I feel like those who did MAP and established a closeness there are people you can always count on, even if you don't see them for every class every day like your other friends.

Many of us from the board did MAP, so I'm sure Vapid or sooner will chime in eventually to answer this question.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: EastTex on January 28, 2007, 09:41:55 PM
Hey, Smiley,

When is MAP for next fall?  Does it cost money?  How long does it last and when must one register??

Thanks!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 28, 2007, 11:22:31 PM
I'd definitely be interested in MAP.  I'm about the furthest thing from a gunner as can be (I prefer to kick back and take things in, not lean forward and spout stuff out), but I really want to make a smooth and successful transition into 1L.  I'll have to search for "Michigan Access Program" on the Michigan law website to learn more.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 29, 2007, 07:27:09 AM
I'd definitely be interested in MAP.  I'm about the furthest thing from a gunner as can be (I prefer to kick back and take things in, not lean forward and spout stuff out), but I really want to make a smooth and successful transition into 1L.  I'll have to search for "Michigan Access Program" on the Michigan law website to learn more.

Titcr...

Since MAP was originally for students of color, is there still a big group of minorities that attend? 

We had a program like this at Brown (still for minorities) and it led to a great transition.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on January 29, 2007, 07:27:46 AM

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Sorry, to interrupt since I actually don't know the answer to this question.  However, I just found it interesting that you said a 300$ gas bill is outrageous inferring you pay less than that for a 2700 sq ft house.  To me this seems insanely cheap.  My parents (2000 sq ft. house) pay about 450 a month.  Although we live in the northeast - you may be in a warmer climate...
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Steve, I am in a warmer climate (Oklahoma) and Oklahoma and Texas experience some of the cheapest gas prices in the U.S. so I am sure that has something to do with it as well.  Also, my house was built in 2001 so it incorporates the latest technologies for insulation.  We have to worry about electric in the summer, though.  When we get 2 months of 98-101 degree weather my electric bill sometimes reaches $250.  My theory is that since many of the homes in AA were built in the 60's and 70's, the insulation is probably not as good.  

But the prices Nextstep talks about aren't bad at all for electric and gas combined.  I was thinking much worse from some of the apartment reviews I read, but those are separate residences than what he is talking about.   Thanks nextstep, by the way!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 29, 2007, 09:39:57 AM
I wonder, does MAP even exist for summer starters, or is it not really needed since the whole idea of a summer start is kind of a really long MAP from the sound of it?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 29, 2007, 12:11:16 PM
Just got an email from a WLS member who is also a Brown alum.  Lovely touch.  I will probably email her with some Qs.

And I'm hoping to get an email from someone in the BLSA to throw some questions out (like where I can get my hair done  ;D)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: spud1987 on January 29, 2007, 02:27:31 PM
Just got an email from a WLS member who is also a Brown alum.  Lovely touch.  I will probably email her with some Qs.

And I'm hoping to get an email from someone in the BLSA to throw some questions out (like where I can get my hair done  ;D)

I received an email from an alum from my ugrad. He actually offered me a place to stay on Wednesday when I get in for the ASW (I worried I would have to get a hotel).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on January 29, 2007, 02:54:04 PM
Does everyone get contacted by an alum?  I haven't yet...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on January 29, 2007, 03:49:53 PM
I haven't either, but they probably don't have anyone from mine and they probably (hopefully) already know they've chummed the Michigan waters about as hard as they can for me.  I'm really looking forward to the Preview Weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 29, 2007, 09:00:43 PM
To answer the questions about MAP:

1) MAP usually begins with a dinner the week before regular fall orientation and goes through Friday. So, if orientation is going to be the last week of August, I would expect MAP to be August 21 or so.

2) There is no MAP for summer starters. As a summer starter, from what I've heard, you get very close to your supersection-mates. But, a friend of mine who summer started was saying there is some disconnect between summer starters and the rest of the fall start class. Just as summer starters are finishing their exams and taking a much-needed vacation, the fall start 1Ls are arriving for their own orientation. So friendships form in the LC and other places without the summer starters.

3) I actually thought the program would be different than it was. I'm not disappointed, I still thought it was great. But seeing as how the program was formerly directed specifically towards minorities, I was expecting more diversity talk, more affinity group type work, etc. Instead I think it is designed to help make the transition smooth for whoever wants that. I don't know how that changes things. I tried to process it when I did an evaluation of the program after it was over. And as a minority, I don't know how I felt about the change or what I would've expected otherwise. I dont' know, that doesn't really make sense. However, I can happily say that most of the racial minority students in my own supersection did participate in MAP, as well as many of the GLBT 1L students.

4) The program doesn't cost money, but you have to be able to move to A2 a week early, which means the LC isn't open. They do put you up in a hotel if you're going to be living in the LC or can't get into your housing til later. And if you're living off campus and have a significant amount of stuff to bring, they offer storage spaces, either for free or for really cheap, I forget. There are different meals they provide each day and then there are some "on your own" type meals that are at different A2 locales led by the MAP 2L and 3L leaders.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on January 30, 2007, 12:45:14 PM
This may have been asked before but I'll bring it up again...is it important to have a car at Michigan? I'd like to hear thoughts from both sides if it makes sense to drag a car out there.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 30, 2007, 01:00:00 PM
To answer the questions about MAP:

1) MAP usually begins with a dinner the week before regular fall orientation and goes through Friday. So, if orientation is going to be the last week of August, I would expect MAP to be August 21 or so.

2) There is no MAP for summer starters. As a summer starter, from what I've heard, you get very close to your supersection-mates. But, a friend of mine who summer started was saying there is some disconnect between summer starters and the rest of the fall start class. Just as summer starters are finishing their exams and taking a much-needed vacation, the fall start 1Ls are arriving for their own orientation. So friendships form in the LC and other places without the summer starters.

3) I actually thought the program would be different than it was. I'm not disappointed, I still thought it was great. But seeing as how the program was formerly directed specifically towards minorities, I was expecting more diversity talk, more affinity group type work, etc. Instead I think it is designed to help make the transition smooth for whoever wants that. I don't know how that changes things. I tried to process it when I did an evaluation of the program after it was over. And as a minority, I don't know how I felt about the change or what I would've expected otherwise. I dont' know, that doesn't really make sense. However, I can happily say that most of the racial minority students in my own supersection did participate in MAP, as well as many of the GLBT 1L students.

4) The program doesn't cost money, but you have to be able to move to A2 a week early, which means the LC isn't open. They do put you up in a hotel if you're going to be living in the LC or can't get into your housing til later. And if you're living off campus and have a significant amount of stuff to bring, they offer storage spaces, either for free or for really cheap, I forget. There are different meals they provide each day and then there are some "on your own" type meals that are at different A2 locales led by the MAP 2L and 3L leaders.

Hope this helps!

Smiley, may I ask what type of minority you are?  Also, did being a minority facotr in your decision of which ls to choose?  How is it being a minority at Mich?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 30, 2007, 04:28:23 PM
This may have been asked before but I'll bring it up again...is it important to have a car at Michigan? I'd like to hear thoughts from both sides if it makes sense to drag a car out there.

If you are living in the Lawyer's Club, don't bring a car.  If you are living anywhere else, bring a car.


Sorry if I'm being obtuse :-\ but does that mean summerkids can't do MAP, or is it just assumed that, seeing as how they just did a mini-semester, they don't need MAP?

Knowing the administration, I'm sure they'd let you participate if you really wanted to, but you won't need a bit of it.  It might be fun to meet the MAP kids, but you could always just get a schedule and swing by for the lunches/dinners. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on January 30, 2007, 04:37:44 PM
This may have been asked before but I'll bring it up again...is it important to have a car at Michigan? I'd like to hear thoughts from both sides if it makes sense to drag a car out there.

If you are living in the Lawyer's Club, don't bring a car.  If you are living anywhere else, bring a car.


Sorry if I'm being obtuse :-\ but does that mean summerkids can't do MAP, or is it just assumed that, seeing as how they just did a mini-semester, they don't need MAP?

Knowing the administration, I'm sure they'd let you participate if you really wanted to, but you won't need a bit of it.  It might be fun to meet the MAP kids, but you could always just get a schedule and swing by for the lunches/dinners. 

So I should just make sure MCB goes to Mich so I can use her as my MAP hookup? :D

Sounds like a good plan. :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: stacy on January 30, 2007, 05:52:43 PM
actually, summer starters do have MAP.  instead of being the week before school starts, it meets occasionally over the summer.  it's a lot more social and a lot less academic than the fall-starter MAP, but it was fun--basically like a second FYI (first-year information...a couple of 2 and 3Ls who get assigned to your section) group.

and i live off campus and don't have a car.  i'd say if you have a car already, bring one, but don't worry about getting one if you don't.  living closer to campus/downtown is a little more expensive than living driving distance away, but you'll make it all back in parking/gas/tickets/etc.  of course, i say this with a high tolerance for walking in the cold.  over the past couple weeks it went above freezing once.  For a couple hours.  Then it snowed again.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 30, 2007, 06:02:01 PM
This may have been asked before but I'll bring it up again...is it important to have a car at Michigan? I'd like to hear thoughts from both sides if it makes sense to drag a car out there.

If you are living in the Lawyer's Club, don't bring a car.  If you are living anywhere else, bring a car.


Sorry if I'm being obtuse :-\ but does that mean summerkids can't do MAP, or is it just assumed that, seeing as how they just did a mini-semester, they don't need MAP?

Knowing the administration, I'm sure they'd let you participate if you really wanted to, but you won't need a bit of it.  It might be fun to meet the MAP kids, but you could always just get a schedule and swing by for the lunches/dinners. 

So I should just make sure MCB goes to Mich so I can use her as my MAP hookup? :D

 :-* ;D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on January 30, 2007, 06:30:11 PM
So is the MAP a lot of work?  Is it something to stress over before classes?  How much work/reading is involved?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on January 30, 2007, 06:54:38 PM
actually, summer starters do have MAP.  instead of being the week before school starts, it meets occasionally over the summer.  it's a lot more social and a lot less academic than the fall-starter MAP, but it was fun--basically like a second FYI (first-year information...a couple of 2 and 3Ls who get assigned to your section) group.


Oh, geez, thanks Stacy, for writing this because otherwise I would never have known this. Now that I do know it I really wish they would do something to integrate the summer start and fall start MAP programs somehow.

And I should mention that MAP is really intended to be a year-round program, as Stacy indicated. Your MAP leaders are then broken down into the big sections and you meet and talk about 1L issues throughout the year.

If you are going to stress over it, don't do it. There are reading assignments each day. You do have to prepare for the oral argument. But it's not a big deal and meant to be fun and a good learning experience.

I'm Asian. In my big section we have probably 10 Asians out of 95 or so people. The Asian community at Michigan law is really strong and APALSA is one of the most active groups on campus. It's great knowing I have a group of people who care about some of the same issues that I care about and have struggled with and see those issues in the law, etc. Choosing Michigan was a lot based on the idea that the school's philosophy regarding diversity and community was similar to my own.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 01, 2007, 03:12:16 PM
do any current michigan students have any opinions or info on the externships in south africa and/or cambodia?  i read what is on the websites but i'm interested in knowing how hard it is to get these as a 1L or even 2L.  thanks for any info!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 01, 2007, 06:05:26 PM
As a 1L, you don't have any choice of when your classes are, do you?  If I'm wrong, please let me know.  Can you give me an example schedule?  As in, what times you are in class on Monday, Tuesday, etc.   

As always, thanks!!  Can't wait to meet you all during ASW.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on February 01, 2007, 08:33:33 PM
I haven't heard much about the South Africa internship, but I hear GREAT things about Cambodia.  It's hard to get the grant to go but you can still go with the program (aka Nick Rine) and get a great position if you can fund yourself other ways (potential options abound - student funded fellowships, equal justice works, etc).  I have heard nothing but good things.  Nick Rine is a total badass and I want to be his friend.  He pretty much wants people to go who can handle themselves in a developing nation.  So if you have been abroad, especially to a developing nation, that helps in getting the grant I have heard.  Anyway I hear great things.  I think it's open to both 1Ls and 2Ls though I think more go for 1L summer.
 
About 1L schedules - you have no choice for doctrinal and legal practice classes, you are put into a section with a pre-set schedule.  However if you have particular schedule needs for good reason, you can petition once the schedule is released to be in a particular section (good reasons include a job or childcare primarily though I am sure there are others).  Also there is a small amount of wiggle room for dual-degree 1Ls (as in I know 1 person who went outside her section schedule).  The three fall super-sections had pretty different schedules last semester and this semester are somwhat more similar.  My section last semester had 8am Torts, 11:15am Contracts, 1:30pm Con Law (all 55 minutes long).  Torts was T-F, Contracts M-Th, Con Law M-F though usually only M-Th.  We had legal practice T/Th 2:35pm (50 minutes).  This semester is really similar though our Civ Pro is M/W/Th 8:45-10am.... rough for such a slow paced class (visiting prof, doubt you'll have him).  Does that help?  You should be able to access the schedule for last semester and this on the web - look for the letter sections in the right column to figure it out for each section.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 01, 2007, 08:35:11 PM
8am class?  Damn I'm gonna die.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 01, 2007, 09:36:01 PM
8am class? Damn I'm gonna die.

Seconded.

isn't this how it works at all law schools tho?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: LALaw04 on February 02, 2007, 12:32:23 AM
Can I wear a T-shirt that says "born to bill" or "make love, not law review" to class????

Check out www.cafepress.com/lawgear
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 02, 2007, 09:40:54 AM
Do any of the 1L's know what the summer schedule was like for summer starters?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 02, 2007, 09:43:15 AM
I haven't heard much about the South Africa internship, but I hear GREAT things about Cambodia.  It's hard to get the grant to go but you can still go with the program (aka Nick Rine) and get a great position if you can fund yourself other ways (potential options abound - student funded fellowships, equal justice works, etc).  I have heard nothing but good things.  Nick Rine is a total badass and I want to be his friend.  He pretty much wants people to go who can handle themselves in a developing nation.  So if you have been abroad, especially to a developing nation, that helps in getting the grant I have heard.  Anyway I hear great things.  I think it's open to both 1Ls and 2Ls though I think more go for 1L summer.
 
About 1L schedules - you have no choice for doctrinal and legal practice classes, you are put into a section with a pre-set schedule.  However if you have particular schedule needs for good reason, you can petition once the schedule is released to be in a particular section (good reasons include a job or childcare primarily though I am sure there are others).  Also there is a small amount of wiggle room for dual-degree 1Ls (as in I know 1 person who went outside her section schedule).  The three fall super-sections had pretty different schedules last semester and this semester are somwhat more similar.  My section last semester had 8am Torts, 11:15am Contracts, 1:30pm Con Law (all 55 minutes long).  Torts was T-F, Contracts M-Th, Con Law M-F though usually only M-Th.  We had legal practice T/Th 2:35pm (50 minutes).  This semester is really similar though our Civ Pro is M/W/Th 8:45-10am.... rough for such a slow paced class (visiting prof, doubt you'll have him).  Does that help?  You should be able to access the schedule for last semester and this on the web - look for the letter sections in the right column to figure it out for each section.


Thanks Smiley!  I do have kids which is why I was asking.  I'm hoping to be able to drop my oldest off at school and pick her up so that I do not have to pay for before and after school care for her.  The youngest is of course going to day care because he's not old enough yet to leave me alone while I study.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 02, 2007, 12:10:27 PM
I haven't heard much about the South Africa internship, but I hear GREAT things about Cambodia.  It's hard to get the grant to go but you can still go with the program (aka Nick Rine) and get a great position if you can fund yourself other ways (potential options abound - student funded fellowships, equal justice works, etc).  I have heard nothing but good things.  Nick Rine is a total badass and I want to be his friend.  He pretty much wants people to go who can handle themselves in a developing nation.  So if you have been abroad, especially to a developing nation, that helps in getting the grant I have heard.  Anyway I hear great things.  I think it's open to both 1Ls and 2Ls though I think more go for 1L summer.

thanks for the info, i have actually spent time abroad in mexico, not a developing country, but gave me great experience, i think i will contact nick rine via email to get more info.  if anyone has any other opinions, thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 02, 2007, 01:28:52 PM
Do any of the 1L's know what the summer schedule was like for summer starters?

I clearly can't answer this, but I will say that I did ask about when we'd know which classes were being taught this year, and that's apparently not until April-ish.

Thought I'd share.

Hopefully they'll cut us a break scheduling-wise, seeing as it's summer and no one else will be there. :)

Wait, you mean they don't know what classes they are going to have us take this summer yet? I thought it was always the same ones...and yeah, they should give us a break, but don't expect to be able to sleep till noon or anything!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on February 02, 2007, 02:16:23 PM
I haven't heard much about the South Africa internship, but I hear GREAT things about Cambodia.  It's hard to get the grant to go but you can still go with the program (aka Nick Rine) and get a great position if you can fund yourself other ways (potential options abound - student funded fellowships, equal justice works, etc).  I have heard nothing but good things.  Nick Rine is a total badass and I want to be his friend.  He pretty much wants people to go who can handle themselves in a developing nation.  So if you have been abroad, especially to a developing nation, that helps in getting the grant I have heard.  Anyway I hear great things.  I think it's open to both 1Ls and 2Ls though I think more go for 1L summer.
 
About 1L schedules - you have no choice for doctrinal and legal practice classes, you are put into a section with a pre-set schedule.  However if you have particular schedule needs for good reason, you can petition once the schedule is released to be in a particular section (good reasons include a job or childcare primarily though I am sure there are others).  Also there is a small amount of wiggle room for dual-degree 1Ls (as in I know 1 person who went outside her section schedule).  The three fall super-sections had pretty different schedules last semester and this semester are somwhat more similar.  My section last semester had 8am Torts, 11:15am Contracts, 1:30pm Con Law (all 55 minutes long).  Torts was T-F, Contracts M-Th, Con Law M-F though usually only M-Th.  We had legal practice T/Th 2:35pm (50 minutes).  This semester is really similar though our Civ Pro is M/W/Th 8:45-10am.... rough for such a slow paced class (visiting prof, doubt you'll have him).  Does that help?  You should be able to access the schedule for last semester and this on the web - look for the letter sections in the right column to figure it out for each section.


Thanks Smiley!  I do have kids which is why I was asking.  I'm hoping to be able to drop my oldest off at school and pick her up so that I do not have to pay for before and after school care for her.  The youngest is of course going to day care because he's not old enough yet to leave me alone while I study.

It was actually thenextstep who posted about the schedules...but I'll just say, to the tremendous relief of people here, that my section's classes didn't begin until 11:15 last semester. We did have class until almost 6 though, but there were a lot of big breaks thrown in. I complained about it then, but this semester we have classes stacked upon classes. I thought it would be better but it makes for a really hard day. I actually like the later start time and later end time with more chunks of time thrown in than the compressed day like now. Something to remember for next year I guess...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 02, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 02, 2007, 06:11:04 PM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

aww that sucks.  I wanted you to be in!  :(
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 02, 2007, 07:12:10 PM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

aww that sucks.  I wanted you to be in!  :(

me too...guess that means i'm supposed to go to Mich
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 02, 2007, 07:37:54 PM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

aww that sucks. I wanted you to be in! :(

me too...guess that means i'm supposed to go to Mich

You could end up in worse places...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 02, 2007, 07:47:49 PM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

aww that sucks. I wanted you to be in! :(

me too...guess that means i'm supposed to go to Mich

You could end up in worse places...

I'm not ungreatful about Mich by any means.  Its just that Penn was tops b4 I even researched Mich and I just wnated to fulfill that fantasy, that's all.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 02, 2007, 08:06:16 PM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

aww that sucks. I wanted you to be in! :(

me too...guess that means i'm supposed to go to Mich

You could end up in worse places...

I'm not ungreatful about Mich by any means. Its just that Penn was tops b4 I even researched Mich and I just wnated to fulfill that fantasy, that's all.

Understandable. Mich wasn't my top school either until I looked more into it (and the other schools rejected me too). Funny how things work out!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on February 02, 2007, 08:41:48 PM
Sorry to hear it MCB...was it a deferral or an actual waitlist?  Either way, I know it's not the answer you were hoping for, but at least you'll get to mix it up at a well-represented ASW in early March. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 02, 2007, 10:14:49 PM
This thread is amazing. I've had my heart set on Michigan since I was a little "piece of one," and all this first-hand commentary is great. thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Dukestarbored on February 02, 2007, 11:00:22 PM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

Celies, do you really want to go to a school where law students go on rampages with a Glock 9?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 03, 2007, 02:00:05 AM

Sorry, I must have seen some helpful advice you posted around the same time frame.  You are all so helpful!! 

Nextstep, I meant no disrespect, I really appreciate your time in answering my question.  Now I feel like a complete and bumbling idiot!!  Thanks again, to the right person this time.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on February 03, 2007, 08:40:04 AM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

Celies, do you really want to go to a school where law students go on rampages with a Glock 9?

No such thing...it was probably a glock 17 or maybe a glock 19.  I know it was tongue in cheek anyway (I hope), but there is definitely something to be said about law school students doing weird stuff pretty much everywhere.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on February 03, 2007, 08:56:05 AM
well...got a wl from prolly the only school I would have taken over Mich...so I'm thinking I'll be there in the fall...

Celies, do you really want to go to a school where law students go on rampages with a Glock 9?

No such thing...it was probably a glock 17 or maybe a glock 19.  I know it was tongue in cheek anyway (I hope), but there is definitely something to be said about law school students doing weird stuff pretty much everywhere.

True.  A friend of mine told me that some Fordham Law student threw coffee at one of the law librarians because she messed something up or wasn't doing something fast enough.  Haven't found a link to substantiate it, but if it's true, seriously, wtf?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: stacy on February 03, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
if I recall correctly, over the summer we had torts from 9-11am M-W and civ pro from 1-3pm T-Th, with 2 legal practice sessions (each an hour long) a week. The legal practice classes were at different times depending on what section of summer starter you were.  2-hour classes were rough (we did get a 5-min break in the middle of them) but 3-day weekends were sweet and our 55-minute classes feel really manageable now. 

While we had torts and civ pro, in previous years summer starters took torts and contracts.  I think it just depends on which profs are available and interested in teaching over the summer.  while some people might disagree, I thought having civ pro first was GREAT since it made it a lot easier to understand the cases we read in other classes (ie, you have an idea of how summary judgment, discovery, etc. work and how cases get tried at one level and appealed up to others).
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 03, 2007, 03:46:55 PM
if I recall correctly, over the summer we had torts from 9-11am M-W and civ pro from 1-3pm T-Th, with 2 legal practice sessions (each an hour long) a week. The legal practice classes were at different times depending on what section of summer starter you were. 2-hour classes were rough (we did get a 5-min break in the middle of them) but 3-day weekends were sweet and our 55-minute classes feel really manageable now.

While we had torts and civ pro, in previous years summer starters took torts and contracts. I think it just depends on which profs are available and interested in teaching over the summer. while some people might disagree, I thought having civ pro first was GREAT since it made it a lot easier to understand the cases we read in other classes (ie, you have an idea of how summary judgment, discovery, etc. work and how cases get tried at one level and appealed up to others).

Thanks, that's really helpful. So, since you started in the summer, does that mean you finished all of your mandatory 1L classes in the fall and are now essentially in your first semester of 2L and taking all electives? Or are you still considered a 1L even tho you are in your third semester? Also what effect does this have on things like summer internships?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: stacy on February 03, 2007, 08:06:16 PM
Summer starters generally take 2 classes + legal practice in the summer, 3 + legal practice in the fall, and one required 1L class (our section's is con law) and the rest electives (up to 11 more credits without petitioning) in the spring.  I did thinks slightly differently and took an elective in the fall (this isn't normally allowed by it was very relevant to my dual degree and probably wasn't going to be offered again) so I'm in Contracts, Con Law, and some electives now. 

In terms of summer jobs, we're kind of in the middle--some employers like that we'll be done a semester earlier and have a semester more experience than typical 1Ls, but we still have to follow the December 1st deadline for applying and are generally considered 1Ls.  We also can't do clinics in the spring of 1L year (it might be possible to do the mediation clinic if you ask permission because that doesn't involve representing clients in court, but I don't know this for sure). 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 04, 2007, 12:15:59 PM
Summer starters generally take 2 classes + legal practice in the summer, 3 + legal practice in the fall, and one required 1L class (our section's is con law) and the rest electives (up to 11 more credits without petitioning) in the spring. I did thinks slightly differently and took an elective in the fall (this isn't normally allowed by it was very relevant to my dual degree and probably wasn't going to be offered again) so I'm in Contracts, Con Law, and some electives now.

In terms of summer jobs, we're kind of in the middle--some employers like that we'll be done a semester earlier and have a semester more experience than typical 1Ls, but we still have to follow the December 1st deadline for applying and are generally considered 1Ls. We also can't do clinics in the spring of 1L year (it might be possible to do the mediation clinic if you ask permission because that doesn't involve representing clients in court, but I don't know this for sure).

Ah, that makes sense. Too bad summer starters have to wait till the 4th semester for clinics tho. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: akakakaka on February 04, 2007, 06:46:38 PM
Pasting here from another thread:

"When does Mich make scholarship offers? I am really wondering if anyone knows how Mich handles scholarship offers?  Or when the best time to start bargaining with them would be?   Thanks!"

Also, what the typical turnaround from acceptance to scholarship is?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 04, 2007, 07:59:36 PM
ok, what's the best way to go about looking for an apartment online?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 04, 2007, 08:02:58 PM
yea i saw those...but i want to know how the current 1Ls went about it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 04, 2007, 08:13:24 PM
yea i saw those...but i want to know how the current 1Ls went about it.

right.  sorry.

i've been lookin a bit on craigslist, but i'm shocked by the # of ppl who can't/won't bother to take pics of their place

Jolie said that CL for AA is pretty safe bc many users are students.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 04, 2007, 08:19:42 PM
yea i saw those...but i want to know how the current 1Ls went about it.

right. sorry.

i've been lookin a bit on craigslist, but i'm shocked by the # of ppl who can't/won't bother to take pics of their place

Jolie said that CL for AA is pretty safe bc many users are students.

And that is suppose to make it safer? Hmm...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 04, 2007, 08:19:50 PM
I'm looking at the sites that Mich gave us...most of the apt. aren't availible til 9/1/07. I wanted to move mid August to settle in  :-[
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 04, 2007, 08:24:46 PM
I'm looking at the sites that Mich gave us...most of the apt. aren't availible til 9/1/07. I wanted to move mid August to settle in  :-[

I found a bunch for August move in on that off-campus housing site...  but it does seem like a lot of others wind up renting through all of August for summer's ... I'm with you, I'm thinking of moving out on Aug 1 and getting settled in.

My lease in Chicago is up on April 30, so I'm gonna be homeless from May until whenever I go to AA. I'm probably gonna be working in a situation that's going to provide me w/ a corporate apartment until June at least, but from there, it's gonna be deciding if I want to find a sublet somewhere, live at home for a few months and save some $$, or head to AA.

Does the bolded mean that you are definitely going to Mich?

which off campus housing site in particular?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 04, 2007, 08:30:21 PM
I'm looking at the sites that Mich gave us...most of the apt. aren't availible til 9/1/07. I wanted to move mid August to settle in  :-[

I found a bunch for August move in on that off-campus housing site...  but it does seem like a lot of others wind up renting through all of August for summer's ... I'm with you, I'm thinking of moving out on Aug 1 and getting settled in.

My lease in Chicago is up on April 30, so I'm gonna be homeless from May until whenever I go to AA. I'm probably gonna be working in a situation that's going to provide me w/ a corporate apartment until June at least, but from there, it's gonna be deciding if I want to find a sublet somewhere, live at home for a few months and save some $$, or head to AA.

Does the bolded mean that you are definitely going to Mich?

which off campus housing site in particular?

"i am keeping an open mind," is the official position

but deep down, i know i'm going to Michigan

this site, lets you search by month it becomes available...

http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/housing_listings.cfm

ty for the site.

and right now, all signs are pointing to Mich for me as well.  I guess imma have to suck it up and buy some Ugg boots for the winter :-\

my friend has already told me that i need to find a football player with nfl potential to marry :D :D :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 04, 2007, 08:36:23 PM
I'm looking at the sites that Mich gave us...most of the apt. aren't availible til 9/1/07. I wanted to move mid August to settle in  :-[

I found a bunch for August move in on that off-campus housing site...  but it does seem like a lot of others wind up renting through all of August for summer's ... I'm with you, I'm thinking of moving out on Aug 1 and getting settled in.

My lease in Chicago is up on April 30, so I'm gonna be homeless from May until whenever I go to AA. I'm probably gonna be working in a situation that's going to provide me w/ a corporate apartment until June at least, but from there, it's gonna be deciding if I want to find a sublet somewhere, live at home for a few months and save some $$, or head to AA.

Does the bolded mean that you are definitely going to Mich?

which off campus housing site in particular?

"i am keeping an open mind," is the official position

but deep down, i know i'm going to Michigan

this site, lets you search by month it becomes available...

http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/housing_listings.cfm

ty for the site.

and right now, all signs are pointing to Mich for me as well.  I guess imma have to suck it up and buy some Ugg boots for the winter :-\

my friend has already told me that i need to find a football player with nfl potential to marry :D :D :D

mich lost a big possible recruit, Ronald Johnson today, who decided to go to USC instead ... but he would have been too young for you anyway...

young dudes are trainable :D

but that's just her idea...most sports players are whores and i'm not with that.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 04, 2007, 08:38:17 PM
mich lost a big possible recruit, Ronald Johnson today, who decided to go to USC instead ... but he would have been too young for you anyway...

G Coop, you're on top of things...hopefully the Donovan Warren pick up will offset the RoJo loss.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on February 04, 2007, 08:39:33 PM
I'm looking at the sites that Mich gave us...most of the apt. aren't availible til 9/1/07. I wanted to move mid August to settle in  :-[

I found a bunch for August move in on that off-campus housing site...  but it does seem like a lot of others wind up renting through all of August for summer's ... I'm with you, I'm thinking of moving out on Aug 1 and getting settled in.

My lease in Chicago is up on April 30, so I'm gonna be homeless from May until whenever I go to AA. I'm probably gonna be working in a situation that's going to provide me w/ a corporate apartment until June at least, but from there, it's gonna be deciding if I want to find a sublet somewhere, live at home for a few months and save some $$, or head to AA.

Does the bolded mean that you are definitely going to Mich?

which off campus housing site in particular?

"i am keeping an open mind," is the official position

but deep down, i know i'm going to Michigan

this site, lets you search by month it becomes available...

http://www.offcampus.housing.umich.edu/lt/housing_listings.cfm

ty for the site.

and right now, all signs are pointing to Mich for me as well.  I guess imma have to suck it up and buy some Ugg boots for the winter :-\

my friend has already told me that i need to find a football player with nfl potential to marry :D :D :D

mich lost a big possible recruit, Ronald Johnson today, who decided to go to USC instead ... but he would have been too young for you anyway...

They can have RoJo; we took Donovan Warren. 

I can's speak much to apartment hunting, but Craigslist is generally pretty good.

And how did I not know that G.Coop was here?  Damn.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 05, 2007, 08:11:54 PM
Have we spoken about the curve at all?  I know that it's a 3.19...but that's kinda low for a top school considering that its peers have a 3.3 curve. 


So has the curve screwed any of yall over thus far?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on February 05, 2007, 08:22:24 PM
Thanks for the housing conversation...I'm definitely looking at moving in early August, so I had better be on top of the housing situation. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on February 05, 2007, 08:32:42 PM
And I'm already on the FIRE AMAKER bandwagon too.  I'd like to see some BB tourney action between now and '10 too.

Yeah, Amaker's gotta go.  There is too much talent on this team to not win more games. 


Have we spoken about the curve at all?  I know that it's a 3.19...but that's kinda low for a top school considering that its peers have a 3.3 curve. 


So has the curve screwed any of yall over thus far?

I really don't know what to say about the curve.  While it is true that the target mean is a 3.19, the median grade is a B+ (~55% of any class gets a B+ or better).  I think that ends up screwing people on the bottom of the curve, but helping the middle (but I'm no statistician).  I know that, before exams, I was really glad that the top half got the B+ or better since Cum Laude here is 3.400 or higher and I wasn't feeling great about my chances.  After exams, my opinion may have changed.   We are one of the few schools that give GPA points for an A+ (4.3), which can help if you are lucky enough to get one, but which makes your resume GPA look bad (3.XXX/4.3).  I don't know that it has any detrimental effects on hiring, but most of the 1Ls I know with jobs got their offer before grades came out.  I'm really just rambling, was there something about the curve specifically that interested you (I'm just killing time when I should be writing my brief).   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 05, 2007, 08:35:16 PM
And I'm already on the FIRE AMAKER bandwagon too.  I'd like to see some BB tourney action between now and '10 too.

Yeah, Amaker's gotta go.  There is too much talent on this team to not win more games. 


Have we spoken about the curve at all?  I know that it's a 3.19...but that's kinda low for a top school considering that its peers have a 3.3 curve. 


So has the curve screwed any of yall over thus far?

I really don't know what to say about the curve.  While it is true that the target mean is a 3.19, the median grade is a B+ (~55% of any class gets a B+ or better).  I think that ends up screwing people on the bottom of the curve, but helping the middle (but I'm no statistician).  I know that, before exams, I was really glad that the top half got the B+ or better since Cum Laude here is 3.400 or higher and I wasn't feeling great about my chances.  After exams, my opinion may have changed.   We are one of the few schools that give GPA points for an A+ (4.3), which can help if you are lucky enough to get one, but which makes your resume GPA look bad (3.XXX/4.3).  I don't know that it has any detrimental effects on hiring, but most of the 1Ls I know with jobs got their offer before grades came out.  I'm really just rambling, was there something about the curve specifically that interested you (I'm just killing time when I should be writing my brief).   

I'd assume that firms and those sent to interview us know how the curve works at Mich--so I'm just asking bc I wouldn't want to be put at a disadvantage with an "avg" 3.19 while they look at other students with an "avg" 3.3

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: El_Pesado on February 05, 2007, 08:44:19 PM
Hi, first time posting on this thread. You Michigan xLs have been really helpful, for which I'm very thankful.

I'm wondering, are there many students there pursuing dual degrees? I'm considering undertaking a PhD (philosophy)/JD project, but am not sure how feasible or successful such a program would be. Are dual degree law students generally happy with the interdisciplinarity of their programs? I'm not sure how well anyone can answer this question without actually being in such a program, but any anecdotal stories would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on February 05, 2007, 09:26:29 PM
Hi, first time posting on this thread. You Michigan xLs have been really helpful, for which I'm very thankful.

I'm wondering, are there many students there pursuing dual degrees? I'm considering undertaking a PhD (philosophy)/JD project, but am not sure how feasible or successful such a program would be. Are dual degree law students generally happy with the interdisciplinarity of their programs? I'm not sure how well anyone can answer this question without actually being in such a program, but any anecdotal stories would be appreciated.

I know a surprising number of dual degree students.  However, most of them are 1Ls, so I don't really have any anecdotal knowledge about how the programs work once they take the year away from the Law School.  May I ask why you are pursuing a PhD in Philosophy?  Another aspiring academic perhaps?

I'd assume that firms and those sent to interview us know how the curve works at Mich--so I'm just asking bc I wouldn't want to be put at a disadvantage with an "avg" 3.19 while they look at other students with an "avg" 3.3

Yeah, firms know our curve.  We just had a Winter OCI for 1Ls and most of the interviewers were Michigan alums.  Also, as I pointed out before, although our mean is 3.19, our median is 3.3.  For many of our peer schools, the mean and median is the same.  The result is that, unless you are at the bottom of the class, our curve won't hurt you.  It may even help you if you are at the top becuase the curve requires a spread distribution.  For example, although UVA reports a 50th %ile  GPA of 3.3, it also reports a 75th %ile GPA of 3.48.  However, 25% of every Michigan class gets a 3.7 or better, so I can't imagine that our 75th %ile is much below a 3.6 (although I can't say for sure becuase we don't rank). 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 06, 2007, 08:40:38 AM
Random question, but what's within walking distance for lunch?  Or do people tend to bring lunch?

Lunch is very important.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Dukestarbored on February 06, 2007, 08:57:13 AM
Random question, but what's within walking distance for lunch?  Or do people tend to bring lunch?

Lunch is very important.

So very important.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 06, 2007, 09:06:01 AM
Oh yeah, I remember the snack bar (and the anecdote about the pregnant 1L) from the CD.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2007, 09:32:45 AM
I had a nice cheap lunch at a Medeteranian restaurant last week with Jolie. It was goooooood. It looked like there were a ton of other places around too. And a snack bar kinda place in the basement. And a place to leave your lunch in a fridge, too.

One fridge for the whole school? Nice.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2007, 09:47:16 AM
One fridge for the whole school? Nice.

I call dibbs on your sammich.

I call dibbs on your steak. yum.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Dukestarbored on February 06, 2007, 11:18:16 AM
I guess a shared fridge would be the ultimate in collegiality tests, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: El_Pesado on February 06, 2007, 12:28:44 PM
Hi, first time posting on this thread. You Michigan xLs have been really helpful, for which I'm very thankful.

I'm wondering, are there many students there pursuing dual degrees? I'm considering undertaking a PhD (philosophy)/JD project, but am not sure how feasible or successful such a program would be. Are dual degree law students generally happy with the interdisciplinarity of their programs? I'm not sure how well anyone can answer this question without actually being in such a program, but any anecdotal stories would be appreciated.

I know a surprising number of dual degree students.  However, most of them are 1Ls, so I don't really have any anecdotal knowledge about how the programs work once they take the year away from the Law School.  May I ask why you are pursuing a PhD in Philosophy?  Another aspiring academic perhaps?  

Hah, you got me. But it's so far off right now I haven't really invested much time or energy into seriously considering academia. I reckon there are lots of students at Michigan who have expressed a similar desire to teach?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: El_Pesado on February 06, 2007, 02:55:38 PM
Hi, first time posting on this thread. You Michigan xLs have been really helpful, for which I'm very thankful.

I'm wondering, are there many students there pursuing dual degrees? I'm considering undertaking a PhD (philosophy)/JD project, but am not sure how feasible or successful such a program would be. Are dual degree law students generally happy with the interdisciplinarity of their programs? I'm not sure how well anyone can answer this question without actually being in such a program, but any anecdotal stories would be appreciated.

I know a surprising number of dual degree students.  However, most of them are 1Ls, so I don't really have any anecdotal knowledge about how the programs work once they take the year away from the Law School.  May I ask why you are pursuing a PhD in Philosophy?  Another aspiring academic perhaps?   

Hah, you got me. But it's so far off right now I haven't really invested much time or energy into seriously considering academia. I reckon there are lots of students at Michigan who have expressed a similar desire to teach?

I wouldn't say "lots".  There are three in my current section of 90 for whom it is the first choice career (including me).  There are probably a couple more who (1) keep it very quiet, or (2) are not actively pursuing it but would consider it if the circumstances (read: grades) are right.  If you want, you can PM me any time to ask questions.

Awesome, I'll PM you if I have any further questions. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 06, 2007, 04:08:13 PM
$1 for a grilled cheese?

That's it

See you guys in August :P

I am only half kidding... is it weird that the $1 grilled cheese was the most exciting tidbit that I read in the past couple pages?  :-[
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 06, 2007, 04:13:48 PM
Heh, seriously.  They should talk about the $1 grilled cheese in the viewbook.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: stacy on February 06, 2007, 04:23:12 PM
the grilled cheese is good, but i LOVE the egg sandwich on a bagel.

what I think they should mention in the viewbook: the law school a capella group selling val-o-grams where they'll serenade someone in class.  I think my section's going to get one for our prof. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on February 06, 2007, 04:31:14 PM
And not only are the grilled cheese $1, they're the most sublimely tasty grilled cheese sandwiches I've ever had. Really fantastic stuff.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: JTcc on February 06, 2007, 05:58:23 PM
If you are living in the Lawyer's Club, don't bring a car.  If you are living anywhere else, bring a car.

If one were to choose the Lawyer's Club and bring a car for occasional, out-of-town trips, is there anywhere it could be kept?  Perhaps an unmetered public lot a distance away?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 06, 2007, 09:44:04 PM
For 2L and 3L would it be easy for us to get Mich residency to pay the instate tuition?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 07, 2007, 05:46:27 AM
I hear Michigan is a tough state to be granted in-state tuition for.

Here are the guidelines:

http://www.umich.edu/~regoff/resreg.html
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 07, 2007, 07:23:54 AM
I hear Michigan is a tough state to be granted in-state tuition for.

Here are the guidelines:

http://www.umich.edu/~regoff/resreg.html

that's really lame  >:(

Va and Cali make it so much easier  :(
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 07, 2007, 07:25:08 AM
I hear Michigan is a tough state to be granted in-state tuition for.

Here are the guidelines:

http://www.umich.edu/~regoff/resreg.html

that's really lame >:(

Va and Cali make it so much easier :(

At least it isn't a huge tuition break, so you really aren't missing out on much.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 07, 2007, 07:29:41 AM
I hear Michigan is a tough state to be granted in-state tuition for.

Here are the guidelines:

http://www.umich.edu/~regoff/resreg.html

that's really lame >:(

Va and Cali make it so much easier :(

At least it isn't a huge tuition break, so you really aren't missing out on much.

I'm a poor...every $1 counts  :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: littlev on February 07, 2007, 07:35:28 AM
It's true that it's hard to become eligible to pay in-state tuition.  I've been living in Michigan year-round and paying state taxes for the past 5 years, but I don't qualify as a resident for tuition purposes because I moved here to go to school.  You become eligible after you work for a year continuously, which I doubt anyone plans on doing while they're in law school.  There's only a $3K tuition difference for in-state vs. out-of-state, so I don't think it's worth it to take on an outside job just to qualify for the savings.     
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 07, 2007, 08:29:31 AM
I hear Michigan is a tough state to be granted in-state tuition for.

Here are the guidelines:

http://www.umich.edu/~regoff/resreg.html

that's really lame  >:(

Va and Cali make it so much easier  :(

You're right, totally lame!  They even have the statement in there that residency can't be attained even if the spouse works there full-time if we moved there for my school.  That sucks!  With the taxes we'll be paying to the state as a family, we should get the residency status!!  Not to mention the money we'll be paying them for day care!  The child care is on average about $50 more per week.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Reach on February 07, 2007, 10:08:22 AM
I hear Michigan is a tough state to be granted in-state tuition for.

Here are the guidelines:

http://www.umich.edu/~regoff/resreg.html

that's really lame  >:(

Va and Cali make it so much easier  :(

You're right, totally lame!  They even have the statement in there that residency can't be attained even if the spouse works there full-time if we moved there for my school.  That sucks!  With the taxes we'll be paying to the state as a family, we should get the residency status!!  Not to mention the money we'll be paying them for day care!  The child care is on average about $50 more per week.

So why not move there for your spouse's job and choose the school you attend accordingly?  Would that work?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 07, 2007, 10:20:06 AM
I think you would have to move there and the spouse would have to start his job first, before you enroll in the school.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 09, 2007, 09:58:02 AM
Third page? I think not...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 09, 2007, 12:03:35 PM
Yay phone a thon/ emailathon!! I wonder what will take place if they call... I've never been called by anyone from any law school... what happens??
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 09, 2007, 12:04:34 PM
Yay phone a thon/ emailathon!! I wonder what will take place if they call... I've never been called by anyone from any law school... what happens??

Haha, your guess is as good as mine, and I'm one of the ones making calls!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 09, 2007, 12:06:55 PM
Yay phone a thon/ emailathon!! I wonder what will take place if they call... I've never been called by anyone from any law school... what happens??

Haha, your guess is as good as mine, and I'm one of the ones making calls!

I'm expecting YOU to call me!

I have to email them though, I wouldn't want a call while I was on my way home--hopefully I get home on time those nights.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 09, 2007, 12:12:17 PM
Question: How difficult is is to get housing in the Lawyer's Club? And how does the cost comapre to living off-campus?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 09, 2007, 12:13:58 PM
A professor called you?!? I'm jealous!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 09, 2007, 12:19:04 PM
Aww, shucks guys.   :-[

Actually, I said I would call anyone, but requested splitters and old people.  The whole LSD thing is still sort of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" around the admissions folk.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 09, 2007, 12:24:18 PM
I hope I get someone interesting.  Sometimes it's awkward when you have someone on the other line giving you the hard sell...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 09, 2007, 12:26:04 PM
Is 23 old?  :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 09, 2007, 12:40:33 PM
Aww, shucks guys.   :-[

Actually, I said I would call anyone, but requested splitters and old people.  The whole LSD thing is still sort of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" around the admissions folk.

I'M A SPLITTER!! I WIN!  if you call a girl named erin (ok my name is out) drop a hint!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 09, 2007, 12:42:45 PM
Is 23 old?  :P

It is when you're just 21 like me...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 09, 2007, 02:20:38 PM
Aww, shucks guys.   :-[

Actually, I said I would call anyone, but requested splitters and old people.  The whole LSD thing is still sort of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" around the admissions folk.

I'm 28 so in terms of law school, I guess I'm "old", though it pains me to even type that word!  I'm going to ask lots of questions if you call me.  As soon as I saw the e-mail I started making a list of questions.  Actually, some of the questions I'm saving for ASW but I'll still have a few.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Pugnacious on February 09, 2007, 02:30:10 PM
I was deferred on 1/3 and just emailed in my letter of continued interest. Wish me luck!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 09, 2007, 02:33:11 PM
Good luck! OMG your pugs are so cute!!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Pugnacious on February 09, 2007, 02:43:47 PM
Good luck! OMG your pugs are so cute!!!

until they attack.

No, you see, that is when they are the cutest. Imagine your home being invaded by a dozen little pugs. That's a pugattack

Also, they are not my pugs, as I don't own a pug YET. I plan on getting one during law school!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 09, 2007, 03:09:38 PM
Good luck! OMG your pugs are so cute!!!

until they attack.

No, you see, that is when they are the cutest. Imagine your home being invaded by a dozen little pugs. That's a pugattack

Also, they are not my pugs, as I don't own a pug YET. I plan on getting one during law school!

A pug during law school? My pugs cry and destroy the house if they are left alone for any period of time at all. Good luck! They are great company tho.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 09, 2007, 03:13:35 PM
I was deferred on 1/3 and just emailed in my letter of continued interest. Wish me luck!!!

Oh, and good luck! Don't give up hope, this happened to be last year, first deferred and then waitlisted, I bombarded them with letters of continued interest, and I deferred myself all the way into Summer 07. It can happen.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 09, 2007, 04:43:18 PM
Dammit.  I'm not old.  Or a splitter.

I'm sort of old and sort of a splitter. :)

Alright Jolie, how will we know if it's you on the line?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 09, 2007, 06:14:31 PM
Did any of you 1Ls go to the ASW and participate in the mock class?  How was that?  Are they going to mail us readings soon?  Were the 0Ls gunner douches trying to impress the profs?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Garry Shandling on February 09, 2007, 09:24:26 PM
guner douches would be a great screen name
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 09, 2007, 09:27:40 PM
Question: Wolverine Street Law. How many people participate? Are the work options pretty varied? Do you know any alums of the program, and if so, what did they think of it?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Pugnacious on February 10, 2007, 12:32:47 AM
Good luck! OMG your pugs are so cute!!!

until they attack.

No, you see, that is when they are the cutest. Imagine your home being invaded by a dozen little pugs. That's a pugattack

Also, they are not my pugs, as I don't own a pug YET. I plan on getting one during law school!

Ah, like the Mitch Hedburg (RIP) koala infestation bit.

I had actually never heard of that, so I googled Mitch Hedberg Koalas and found it, and yes: exactly like that. Love it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Luxor on February 10, 2007, 11:52:24 AM
Did any of you 1Ls go to the ASW and participate in the mock class?  How was that?  Are they going to mail us readings soon?  Were the 0Ls gunner douches trying to impress the profs?

I went to the second ASW in late March.  We were given a packet at the beginning of the weekend with a single sheet of paper as assigned reading for the mock class.  The reading was something like three short paragraphs, and it set out a hypothetical situation where two neighbors in an apartment complex operated on completely opposite schedules.  Many torts ensued from the conflict, which we identified in class with Sherman Clark.  Someone was "cold-called," but Clark took it pretty easy on him or her, if memory serves me correctly.  The idea of the mock class is less about giving you a sense of what it feels like to sit in a law school class than to introduce you to the kinds of issues involved when thinking about the law.  I can't remember there being any 0L gunners...  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Luxor on February 10, 2007, 11:54:36 AM
Wolverine Street Law's URL: http://students.law.umich.edu/streetlaw/
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 12:27:23 PM
Question: Wolverine Street Law. How many people participate? Are the work options pretty varied? Do you know any alums of the program, and if so, what did they think of it?

I'm probably giving my identity away by writing this post, but so be it.  I'll preface what I have to write about Street Law by saying that my biggest disappointment concerning Michigan Law has been a general lack of interest in community service.  I don't mean to suggest that there are limited service opportunities.  We have several organizations (Street Law, the Family Law Project, Food Stamp Advocacy, etc...) that send people out to do service work for the community on a weekly basis.  Groups like APALSA (the Asian-Pacific American students group) and WLSA (Women Law Students) also seem to actively pursue service opportunities.  However, the size of the community service population at MLS is relatively small, and even those who are involved with service (and I'm included in this group) find it difficult to give more than two hours/week of their time.  That's probably not at all atypical for a T14 law school, but, after spending all of last year doing service work, it's difficult for me to accept that I can't give more of my time to helping people out. 

Anyways, here's the lowdown on Wolverine Street Law.  There are five service sites: 1) Bryant Afterschool Program (1st-12th grade), 2) Peace Neighborhood Afterschool Program (3rd-6th, I think), 3) University Living (home for assisted living), 4) a juvenile detention center, and 5) a prison where students can inform prisoners about to re-enter society about how to protect their rights and how to use the law to re-establish a life.  My work has been entirely concentrated at the Bryant Center, so I don't know much about the other site, but my impression has been that only the first 4 sites have been able to get off the ground this year.  This is just an estimate, but I'm guessing that there are around 30 people involved with WSL on a semi-regular+ basis.  At Bryant, we've struggled to get the program off the ground, since we've had to deal with some unexpected issues, but we have high hopes for this semester.  Considering that the kids at the Center tend to be on the younger side of the range, we often ditch our plans to teach them about the law and instead try to talk about concepts that will contribute to a future understanding of the law.  For example, we talked about diversity on Thursday, with the hope of easing the kids towards a discussion about affirmative action by the end of the semester (and perhaps even a mock trial).

To be honest, I don't have much interest in teaching the kids about the law.  I do it mainly because I enjoy working with kids, and because it became obvious from the start that the kids were really happy to have us around.  Unfortunately, I don't really know what the other sites have been up to.  I can tell you, however, that the University Living group has been quite the success this year.  The seniors are feisty, curious, and intensely interested in the personal lives of volunteers  ;). 

If you're interested in more specifics, I'd be happy to PM you, or to answer questions during either ASW.

Good information! Thanks very much!

I'm somewhat disappointed to hear that you think participation/interest in community service is low, and especially sorry to hear that WSL's convict re-integration group is "on the rocks", so to speak. It's something I would be interested  in doing.

Overall, Michigan's community service offerings are very attractive to me (food stamps/government benefits advocacy, family law/child advocacy/DV victim advocacy, and WSL in particular.) I'm sympathetic with the limited time 1Ls can spare for community service, but hopefully as a 2L and 3L I could devote enough time for substantial participtation in at least one or two of the above.

As for the ASW, I definitely hope to see you there... it's contingent on Michigan's ACCEPTING me, first. It's my dream school, so here's to hope...

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 12:48:34 PM
Oh, jeebus... I just went to DECISION online. Pray for me...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Luxor on February 10, 2007, 01:21:12 PM
Oh, jeebus... I just went to DECISION online. Pray for me...

Good luck!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 01:26:08 PM
crap crap crap... somehow I get the feeling they'd call me if they thought I was worth talking to. 169/3.7? Am I screwed?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 01:28:19 PM
crap crap crap... somehow I get the feeling they'd call me if they thought I was worth talking to. 169/3.7? Am I screwed?

Michigan hasn't called anyone with an acceptance, afaik.

That's comforting. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 10, 2007, 03:14:20 PM
Did any of you 1Ls go to the ASW and participate in the mock class?  How was that?  Are they going to mail us readings soon?  Were the 0Ls gunner douches trying to impress the profs?

I went to the second ASW in late March.  We were given a packet at the beginning of the weekend with a single sheet of paper as assigned reading for the mock class.  The reading was something like three short paragraphs, and it set out a hypothetical situation where two neighbors in an apartment complex operated on completely opposite schedules.  Many torts ensued from the conflict, which we identified in class with Sherman Clark.  Someone was "cold-called," but Clark took it pretty easy on him or her, if memory serves me correctly.  The idea of the mock class is less about giving you a sense of what it feels like to sit in a law school class than to introduce you to the kinds of issues involved when thinking about the law.  I can't remember there being any 0L gunners...  ;)

Ty...can't wait!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 10, 2007, 03:26:00 PM
Oh, jeebus... I just went to DECISION online. Pray for me...

I don't pray, but good luck man! I had lower numbers than you and I got in.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 10, 2007, 05:49:29 PM
crap crap crap... somehow I get the feeling they'd call me if they thought I was worth talking to. 169/3.7? Am I screwed?

Ummm, have you seen my LSN? :D :D :D
is it worse than mine?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 05:51:35 PM
OK, I know y'all aren't trying to have a counter-prestige competition without me!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 05:53:34 PM
crap crap crap... somehow I get the feeling they'd call me if they thought I was worth talking to. 169/3.7? Am I screwed?

Ummm, have you seen my LSN?  :D :D :D

Yeah... we're nearly numbers twins! But I'm a white male. So I, you know... suck.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 10, 2007, 06:03:45 PM
crap crap crap... somehow I get the feeling they'd call me if they thought I was worth talking to. 169/3.7? Am I screwed?

Ummm, have you seen my LSN?  :D :D :D

Yeah... we're nearly numbers twins! But I'm a white male. So I, you know... suck.

Well, GCoop has like a 2.9, and he's also a while male.  (And he's in, btw.) 

Lemme put it to you this way - Michigan has yet to 8 day turn around on a ding!, from what I've seen this year.  I say you're golden.  Now go pick an ASW weekend in the appropriate thread.

Thank you, dear heart. I feel much better now. *muah*

I'll PM you if the news is good!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 10, 2007, 06:12:19 PM
OK, I know y'all aren't trying to have a counter-prestige competition without me!

you had the high lsat and low gpa right? i had the opposite.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 06:19:50 PM
OK, I know y'all aren't trying to have a counter-prestige competition without me!

you had the high lsat and low gpa right? i had the opposite.

Correction.  high lsat and lowest gpa. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 10, 2007, 06:29:49 PM
OK, I know y'all aren't trying to have a counter-prestige competition without me!

you had the high lsat and low gpa right? i had the opposite.

Correction. high lsat and lowest gpa.

0.001?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 10, 2007, 06:32:35 PM
something like that.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 11, 2007, 05:00:49 PM
Does Mich give away free swag to the admits during the ASWs?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 05:59:44 PM
Does Mich give away free swag to the admits during the ASWs?

Now I see why you're in it!  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on February 11, 2007, 06:03:43 PM
Is about a mile away a non-reasonable distance for an apartment if one wants to mostly walk?

During those legendary Michigan winters, it might be.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 11, 2007, 06:04:11 PM
Is about a mile away a non-reasonable distance for an apartment if one wants to mostly walk?

In the cold???? I wouldn't  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 11, 2007, 06:06:57 PM
Does Mich give away free swag to the admits during the ASWs?

Now I see why you're in it!  ;)

 :D :D

Is about a mile away a non-reasonable distance for an apartment if one wants to mostly walk?

In the cold???? I wouldn't  :-\

Well, AATA in the winter, hopefully.

my friend is doing his PHd at Mich, and he said that it would be best if we live next to a busline.  I'm sure that are used to snow and we can get around on AATA.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 11, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
Since the NYC people are already in this thread, where's a nice place to have afternoon tea?  Yes, I like stuff like that, it's the British in me!  /hijack
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 11, 2007, 06:10:08 PM
Since the NYC people are already in this thread, where's a nice place to have afternoon tea?  Yes, I like stuff like that, it's the British in me!  /hijack


 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 11, 2007, 06:13:12 PM
Since the NYC people are already in this thread, where's a nice place to have afternoon tea?  Yes, I like stuff like that, it's the British in me!  /hijack

http://www.teamap.com/

ty
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 11, 2007, 06:33:52 PM
No NYC talk!!  You will make me very very homesick.   :'(

As far as distance from campus, I live about a mile away.  It's a long walk, but I like having the distance (and I think I get a LOT more for my money.)  Of course, I've been a giant wuss and have been driving to campus during the recent frigid spell. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 11, 2007, 06:35:48 PM
No NYC talk!!  You will make me very very homesick.   :'(

As far as distance from campus, I live about a mile away.  It's a long walk, but I like having the distance (and I think I get a LOT more for my money.)  Of course, I've been a giant wuss and have been driving to campus during the recent frigid spell. 

hmmm...being that I don't drive and won't have a car...imma def have to live closer
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 11, 2007, 06:57:01 PM
No NYC talk!!  You will make me very very homesick.   :'(

As far as distance from campus, I live about a mile away.  It's a long walk, but I like having the distance (and I think I get a LOT more for my money.)  Of course, I've been a giant wuss and have been driving to campus during the recent frigid spell. 

Well, I will have a car, but I thought parking was disgustingly difficult to find?

I don't recommend using it as your primary game plan, let's put it that way.  I find parking a block a way easily, but it's in a pay lot where I pay $1/hr. and I'm always on campus by 8:30 am or so.  My main point was that I find biking or walking the mile to be easy peezy, but I had to do the full disclosure thing and admit my weakness in the face of brrrrr.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: challandler on February 11, 2007, 08:58:22 PM
I'm in need of a break. 

Good luck all on your upcomming decisions. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on February 11, 2007, 09:33:16 PM
I was wondering whether people usually held onto apartments for more than one year (all 3?) either by subleasing over the summer or just biting the bullet and paying while you're gone (or are there internships/jobs to be had within proximity?)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 12, 2007, 08:51:23 AM
So, living more than a mile away from campus is sort of unheard of then?

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 12, 2007, 08:53:43 AM
So, living more than a mile away from campus is sort of unheard of then?



Not at all - I think most of the LSD 1L crew IS more than a mile away - smiley and I are among the closest to campus. 

But the LSD crew are weirdos in this regard.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 12, 2007, 09:01:56 AM
So, living more than a mile away from campus is sort of unheard of then?



Not at all - I think most of the LSD 1L crew IS more than a mile away - smiley and I are among the closest to campus.

But the LSD crew are weirdos in this regard. :D

lol, well THAT goes without saying! Now, you used to live further away from campus and moved closer, right? Or did I just imagine that?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on February 12, 2007, 02:45:57 PM
Quote
Like 3L's who just need someone to finish out the lease, so they'll "sublet" for the summer and you can pick up the lease in the fall when the apartment becomes officially available?

I think I'm now the closest LSDer to campus, after having moved last month to an apartment two blocks south. And I got the apartment in the manner described above. That is, I'm subletting it until August, when I will then have the option to pick up the lease. I don't know how common this sort of thing is, but you might be able to find something like it if you keep looking.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: goodnews on February 12, 2007, 04:21:16 PM
Is the Burns Park area a good place to live?  Specifically near the Packard & Granger intersection.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 12, 2007, 04:35:19 PM
Burns Park is an awesome neighborhood.  It's not too far from campus, the homes are beautiful, and the park itself is great.  I take the pups out there to romp sometimes, although there IS an elementary school right in the park (and I'm not totally convinved that Raven wouldn't eat a small child if given the opportunity.)  Anyway, many of the law professors live in this area.  Packard and Granger is sort of the edge of the neighborhood and is a little more student-y, but not in a student ghetto sort of way - it's still pretty nice. 

And Ducky, you sort of remembered right.  I did move recently, but I'm almost exactly the same distance from campus now as I was before.  Unfortunately, I'm no longer on the commuter busline (there are others, but they don't get me as close to the law school.)  Still, it's worth it to be out of that freaking cesspool. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 12, 2007, 04:49:25 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 12, 2007, 05:02:27 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!

Welcome to Michigan! 

Let the record reflect that I would be happy to play hostess by allowing you to cook gourmet vegetarian meals for me.  I'm just selfless like that.  :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 05:39:25 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!


Ahhhh!!! Epic!  Go to the first ASW! Do it now!

Is there still space for the first??
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 12, 2007, 05:43:06 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!

Welcome and congrads!! Enjoy your stay.

Jolie: Ah, well my memory was half right at least! Hey, think at some point you could post a housing review of sorts, at the very least warning your good friends on here what places/areas to avoid?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 12, 2007, 05:48:37 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!

Welcome and congrads!! Enjoy your stay.

Jolie: Ah, well my memory was half right at least! Hey, think at some point you could post a housing review of sorts, at the very least warning your good friends on here what places/areas to avoid?

Well, I'm happy to answer any specific questions, but I'm wary of straight recommendations - my preferences (and needs) in housing are not neccessarily everyone's.  Bear in mind that I'd rather live in a pile of manure than spend a week in the (very popular) Lawyer's Club, and you begin to realize that maybe you shouldn't be asking me for outright advice. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 05:50:37 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!

Welcome and congrads!! Enjoy your stay.

Jolie: Ah, well my memory was half right at least! Hey, think at some point you could post a housing review of sorts, at the very least warning your good friends on here what places/areas to avoid?

Well, I'm happy to answer any specific questions, but I'm wary of straight recommendations - my preferences (and needs) in housing are not neccessarily everyone's.  Bear in mind that I'd rather live in a pile of manure than spend a week in the (very popular) Lawyer's Club, and you begin to realize that maybe you shouldn't be asking me for outright advice. 

shoulda I apply for the LC just in case I don't find a place?


how am I supposed to go about finding a place all the way from NYC?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 12, 2007, 05:53:26 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!

Welcome and congrads!! Enjoy your stay.

Jolie: Ah, well my memory was half right at least! Hey, think at some point you could post a housing review of sorts, at the very least warning your good friends on here what places/areas to avoid?

Well, I'm happy to answer any specific questions, but I'm wary of straight recommendations - my preferences (and needs) in housing are not neccessarily everyone's. Bear in mind that I'd rather live in a pile of manure than spend a week in the (very popular) Lawyer's Club, and you begin to realize that maybe you shouldn't be asking me for outright advice.

From what I know of it I would gladly live out of my car than stay in the Lawyer's Club. Don't discount your advice so quickly, knowing one person's experience can go a long way. But fine, I'll just be sure to forward specific questions your way when they come up. :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 06:12:25 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!

Welcome and congrads!! Enjoy your stay.

Jolie: Ah, well my memory was half right at least! Hey, think at some point you could post a housing review of sorts, at the very least warning your good friends on here what places/areas to avoid?

Well, I'm happy to answer any specific questions, but I'm wary of straight recommendations - my preferences (and needs) in housing are not neccessarily everyone's.  Bear in mind that I'd rather live in a pile of manure than spend a week in the (very popular) Lawyer's Club, and you begin to realize that maybe you shouldn't be asking me for outright advice. 

shoulda I apply for the LC just in case I don't find a place?


how am I supposed to go about finding a place all the way from NYC?

You can crash with me iffn' you need to come early and look for a place. ;)

Awww thank you!


I would prolly go back to AA (or CVille ;)) to search for a place a few months b4 hand.


But Jolie and current 1Ls---how did yall start the housing search while being away from AA?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 12, 2007, 06:18:49 PM
I was going to point out that I found my place from NYC...but considering my original apartment, I wouldn't try to emulate my search in any way.  :D

I just searched on craigslist and the Michigan off-campus housing site.  Because this is such a university-dominated town, it's not that difficult to find housing -- tougher for me because of the dogs, but that shouldn't be an issue for most of you.  I would insist on seeing pictures (and ask how recent they are - my old roomies sent me 15 yr. old pictures!)  Of course, a housing visit is best if you can swing it.  Also, the housing complexes are probably safe(r) to do from a distance, because of consistency and the availability of floor plans and pics.  Then again, I prefer old subdivided houses to complexes...again, it's all personal preference.

Anywho, I'm rambling and I should really get back to the parol evidence rule.  But ask away as housing questions come up! 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 12, 2007, 06:43:55 PM
First ASW achieved.  :D

There were 35 spots left when I signed up, so they must have expanded.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: El_Pesado on February 12, 2007, 06:50:18 PM
ACCEPTED! Fall 2007!

Welcome and congrads!! Enjoy your stay.

Jolie: Ah, well my memory was half right at least! Hey, think at some point you could post a housing review of sorts, at the very least warning your good friends on here what places/areas to avoid?

Well, I'm happy to answer any specific questions, but I'm wary of straight recommendations - my preferences (and needs) in housing are not neccessarily everyone's. Bear in mind that I'd rather live in a pile of manure than spend a week in the (very popular) Lawyer's Club, and you begin to realize that maybe you shouldn't be asking me for outright advice.

From what I know of it I would gladly live out of my car than stay in the Lawyer's Club. Don't discount your advice so quickly, knowing one person's experience can go a long way. But fine, I'll just be sure to forward specific questions your way when they come up. :)

Ack, what's wrong with the Lawyer's Club?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 06:52:05 PM
First ASW achieved.  :D

There were 35 spots left when I signed up, so they must have expanded.

Good job! and congrats!!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 12, 2007, 07:17:38 PM
Ack, what's wrong with the Lawyer's Club?

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,76402.msg1843999.html#msg1843999
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: stacy on February 12, 2007, 08:04:23 PM
I live in the burns park neighborhood (just off the granger/packard intersection) and really like it.  The further north you go (towards hill street) the more undergrad-esque it is.  Packard and State themselves can be pretty rowdy at the beginning of the semester and on football game days, but the side streets are quieter. 

Where I live, there's a nice mix of families, grad students, older people, and a few undergrads.  There's a crossing guard on the corner (in the mornings--there's an elementary school down the street), a ton of stuff within walking distance (dairy queen, liquor store, good pizza, caribou coffee, 24-hour CVS, Kroger, bowling alley all within 5-10 minutes, and a lot more within 15 minutes), and a really nice feeling. 

I don't have a car, but I'm very willing to bundle up and walk.  It's a great neighborhood for me (I especially wanted something in this neighborhood since I teach religious school nearby at a time when there aren't many buses).  And I found my house on craigslist...I honestly think there's better stuff advertised there than on the official UM website. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 08:21:17 PM
damn...just found what seems to be the perfect place for me...is it a sign?

too bad it won't be there by the time I want to put money on it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 08:46:45 PM
damn...just found what seems to be the perfect place for me...is it a sign?

too bad it won't be there by the time I want to put money on it.

I don't suppose it'll be available in May . . .

availible in aug
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 08:53:51 PM
damn...just found what seems to be the perfect place for me...is it a sign?

too bad it won't be there by the time I want to put money on it.

I don't suppose it'll be available in May . . .

availible in aug

Ah well, I wouldn't wanna steal your dream apt. anyway.


I emailed a guy about a place this weekend, but he hasn't gotten back to me.  What do you think that's about?  Does that mean he doesn't wanna rent me the place, or am I just too accustomed to the NYC rental atmosphere?

It's all good... ha ha

Hmm...I dunno, I've never dealt with the renting atmosphere in NY  ???
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on February 12, 2007, 09:16:25 PM
Gengis, my god you're stunning.  (MCB, I complimented your beauty in another thread).

I'm genuine about both.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 12, 2007, 09:20:49 PM
Gengis, my god you're stunning.  (MCB, I complimented your beauty in another thread).

I'm genuine about both.

I saw and thanked you in the thread  :-*

(btw do you have fb? you're not in the lsd group...we have to be fb friends!)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: goodnews on February 13, 2007, 12:33:35 PM
Thanks Jolie and Stacy for your thoughts on Burns Park.  I'll be signing the lease on a condo in Burns Park in the next couple of days - doing it sight unseen so I'm hoping for the best!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 13, 2007, 08:07:37 PM
i was just watching the news and i see how effing cold it is there.  yikes! stay warm guys!!! :-*
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 14, 2007, 06:03:23 AM
Cold? I laugh in the face of Ann Arbor "cold."

The high is above zero, isn't it??

:P

Call me crazy but I actually prefer a place where the summer is nice and warm (but not too hot) and the winter is freezing...

As long as we're talking about winter - Is there good skiing near Ann Arbor?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 14, 2007, 08:27:30 AM
Cold? I laugh in the face of Ann Arbor "cold."

The high is above zero, isn't it??

:P

Call me crazy but I actually prefer a place where the summer is nice and warm (but not too hot) and the winter is freezing...

As long as we're talking about winter - Is there good skiing near Ann Arbor?

Yeah, you are crazy  ;)  I prefer a place where the summer is nice and warm and the winter is nonexistant
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 14, 2007, 08:29:54 AM
Cold? I laugh in the face of Ann Arbor "cold."

The high is above zero, isn't it??

:P

Call me crazy but I actually prefer a place where the summer is nice and warm (but not too hot) and the winter is freezing...

As long as we're talking about winter - Is there good skiing near Ann Arbor?

Agreed. I can't stand blistering heat.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 14, 2007, 08:40:06 AM
Sweet! Glad to see I'm not alone... want to become a founding member of the Michigan Law school sledding/snowball fight/winter mayhem club?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 14, 2007, 08:43:30 AM
Sweet! Glad to see I'm not alone... want to become a founding member of the Michigan Law school sledding/snowball fight/winter mayhem club?

Sure! Always time for a good snowball fight. What will the club do when there isn't any snow around tho? Make snowcones?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 14, 2007, 08:50:10 AM
Ever seen one of those snow machines when you are skiing?

That will be our first major purchase as an organization. We'll have to have some fundraisers first though because I bet those snow machines are pretty pricey...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 14, 2007, 08:54:45 AM
Will leather gloves (cashmere lined) be warm enough or do I need some sort of ski glove?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 14, 2007, 08:59:53 AM
Ever seen one of those snow machines when you are skiing?

That will be our first major purchase as an organization. We'll have to have some fundraisers first though because I bet those snow machines are pretty pricey...

Good thinking! We could have snow all year round...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 14, 2007, 09:02:54 AM
Quote
Will leather gloves (cashmere lined) be warm enough or do I need some sort of ski glove?

Aww!

Your leather gloves will definitely suffice, so no worries.

I prefer mittens - they keep your hands the warmest.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 14, 2007, 09:15:28 AM
Quote
Will leather gloves (cashmere lined) be warm enough or do I need some sort of ski glove?

Aww!

Your leather gloves will definitely suffice, so no worries.

I prefer mittens - they keep your hands the warmest.

my mom suggested mittens...not for me...not being able to move my fingers seperately is not good  :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 14, 2007, 09:15:48 AM
Thanks Jolie and Stacy for your thoughts on Burns Park.  I'll be signing the lease on a condo in Burns Park in the next couple of days - doing it sight unseen so I'm hoping for the best!

Is the condo you are getting in a complex or independent?  If its in a complex can you let me know which one?  I'm deep into housing research because I want to check out a bunch of different possibilities when I'm there for ASW.  

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 14, 2007, 09:20:36 AM
Quote
Will leather gloves (cashmere lined) be warm enough or do I need some sort of ski glove?

Aww!

Your leather gloves will definitely suffice, so no worries.

I prefer mittens - they keep your hands the warmest.

my mom suggested mittens...not for me...not being able to move my fingers seperately is not good  :D

I like having warmth around each one of my fingers.  My favorite pair in boarding school was a mitten/glove hybrid that had individual spaces for your fingers on the inside, but looked like a mitten from the outside, with the gore tech type protection.  I wonder what ever happened to those...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 14, 2007, 09:23:09 AM
On the topic of housing...

Vapid - How is the family housing holding up for warmth during the cold spells?  Pretty toasty?  I hate the idea of not having a dishwasher but I really really like the idea of having all bills paid.  
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 14, 2007, 10:14:15 AM
Quote
not being able to move my fingers seperately is not good 

Don't worry...it won't be long before you, too, have mastered the fine art of functioning with mittens on.  :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 14, 2007, 10:17:25 AM
Quote
not being able to move my fingers seperately is not good 

Don't worry...it won't be long before you, too, have mastered the fine art of functioning with mittens on.  :P

You'll find that in thin gloves and -30 windchill, you won't be able to move your fingers independently for very long, anyhow.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Base1548 on February 14, 2007, 10:18:13 AM
Sarah Alex, check your PM.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 14, 2007, 11:17:20 AM
Cold? I laugh in the face of Ann Arbor "cold."

The high is above zero, isn't it??

:P

Call me crazy but I actually prefer a place where the summer is nice and warm (but not too hot) and the winter is freezing...

As long as we're talking about winter - Is there good skiing near Ann Arbor?

Yeah, you are crazy  ;)  I prefer a place where the summer is nice and warm and the winter is nonexistant

ditto to that, i can count on my ten fingers the number of times i've been in the snow...sara alex you are an odd one.  no just kidding, i'm probably the minority here.  again.

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: goodnews on February 14, 2007, 11:23:00 AM
Kencade - It's in a building with other condos but I'm going to be renting from an individual owner so I don't know anything about other units.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on February 14, 2007, 03:53:51 PM
Call me crazy, but I line my gloves with gloves...my hands are the first thing to freeze- leather gloves are prob fine but you might be wishing you had waterproof gloves or heavier ones if the wind is bad.

On that note, is Mich just cold?  or is it WINDY AND COLD?  That makes the world of a difference...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 14, 2007, 03:56:04 PM
My husband (born and raised in Flint, MI and went to Michigan undergrad and grad school) doesn't think Michigan winters are as bad as Chicago's (we lived there a couple years ago).  Just saying, for the people comparing it to Northwestern/Chicago.  He blames Chicago's winters on "The Lake Effect."
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 14, 2007, 04:03:25 PM
Call me crazy, but I line my gloves with gloves...my hands are the first thing to freeze- leather gloves are prob fine but you might be wishing you had waterproof gloves or heavier ones if the wind is bad.

On that note, is Mich just cold?  or is it WINDY AND COLD?  That makes the world of a difference...

Not that I know (although I have been to Ann Arbor in the winter), but having lived in Ithaca for 4 years should be adequate preparation.  I'm pretty sure Ann Arbor's not particularly windy (unlike Chicago) and there's no way it's much worse than living in Central NY during the winter.

Not that I have that much experience with AA winters yet, but I'd say that this is a good assessment.  If nothing else, at least we're not battling the hills here.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: 'tiki on February 14, 2007, 04:07:11 PM
Call me crazy, but I line my gloves with gloves...my hands are the first thing to freeze- leather gloves are prob fine but you might be wishing you had waterproof gloves or heavier ones if the wind is bad.

On that note, is Mich just cold?  or is it WINDY AND COLD?  That makes the world of a difference...

Not that I know (although I have been to Ann Arbor in the winter), but having lived in Ithaca for 4 years should be adequate preparation.  I'm pretty sure Ann Arbor's not particularly windy (unlike Chicago) and there's no way it's much worse than living in Central NY during the winter.

Not that I have that much experience with AA winters yet, but I'd say that this is a good assessment.  If nothing else, at least we're not battling the hills here.

Hills + lots of snow = sledding (in dining room trays)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 14, 2007, 04:10:58 PM
contiki, are you at Cornell?  if so, I'll bet you know an old friend of mine.  He's an evolutionary bio phd student.

/who-the-f-cares?-hijack
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: 'tiki on February 14, 2007, 04:20:40 PM
contiki, are you at Cornell?  if so, I'll bet you know an old friend of mine.  He's an evolutionary bio phd student.

/who-the-f-cares?-hijack

Well I'm undergrad but who knows. PM me.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 16, 2007, 08:16:29 AM
Where's Vapid been hiding?  I haven't seen him on here in awhile.  Must be crazy at school right now.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on February 16, 2007, 08:26:10 AM
Vapid does tend to disappear... I'll try to remember to ask him to come 'round and answer your questions about family housing.  You could always PM him, then he'd probably come by.  We have been pretty busy recently... but so has this thread so I think maybe he's just not caught up on all your fabulousness.

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on February 16, 2007, 10:02:50 AM
If we want to live in LC, am I supposed to submit the app even if I decide not to enroll?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 17, 2007, 10:16:59 AM
I have a question: How many firms do you get to interview with at OCI?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on February 17, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
You should apply to live in the LC ASAP even if you haven't made your decision - then just let them know if you decide to go somewhere else (which of course you won't!).  I know nothing about OCI so I'd check out the Career Services page, but I have heard of people getting lots of interviews in.  Also I have heard no complaints about being limited in interviews either, so it seems people are happy with it all. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 17, 2007, 10:04:24 PM
b(UM)p
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 18, 2007, 08:25:50 PM
Anyone hear from UM regarding Fin. Aid?  I filled out the FAFSA several weeks ago and am trying to get an apartment but need my loan info.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 18, 2007, 08:27:31 PM
Anyone hear from UM regarding Fin. Aid?  I filled out the FAFSA several weeks ago and am trying to get an apartment but need my loan info.

did you fill out NeedAccess and mail in your tax return forms as well?  I did that stuff at the beginning of last week (tho I had to email the finaid office bc of a mistake on needaccess).  hopefully they will get back to us soon.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 18, 2007, 09:03:24 PM
Hey I have a semi important question before i turn in my LC app - what's better - a single room or a double suite... it seems like the double suite might be cool because you still get your own room but then you get extra space by sharing a study with someone. Unless they make your room smaller to compensate for the study space... and unless your roommate is a psycho. But I'm generally someone who kind of likes having a roommate so I am thinking of putting a double suite as #1 unless they are really small or something - does anyone know anything about this or have any advice?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 18, 2007, 09:04:59 PM
Hey I have a semi important question before i turn in my LC app - what's better - a single room or a double suite... it seems like the double suite might be cool because you still get your own room but then you get extra space by sharing a study with someone. Unless they make your room smaller to compensate for the study space... and unless your roommate is a psycho. But I'm generally someone who kind of likes having a roommate so I am thinking of putting a double suite as #1 unless they are really small or something - does anyone know anything about this or have any advice?

where's the LC app?  i guess i should have a backupp plan.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 18, 2007, 09:09:17 PM
There's a PDF on the Admitted Students site under Housing.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 18, 2007, 09:11:27 PM
There's a PDF on the Admitted Students site under Housing.

gracias.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 18, 2007, 09:34:29 PM
yep and also in the housing packet they sent.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 18, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
yep and also in the housing packet they sent.

I know nothing of this packet of which you speak.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 19, 2007, 09:20:39 AM
Anyone hear from UM regarding Fin. Aid?  I filled out the FAFSA several weeks ago and am trying to get an apartment but need my loan info.

did you fill out NeedAccess and mail in your tax return forms as well?  I did that stuff at the beginning of last week (tho I had to email the finaid office bc of a mistake on needaccess).  hopefully they will get back to us soon.

No, I didnt know I had to fill out more than the FAFSA, I am new to this...Do I  have to fill out the NeedAccess?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 19, 2007, 09:30:41 AM
ummm when did vapid delete?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 19, 2007, 09:31:29 AM
Anyone hear from UM regarding Fin. Aid?  I filled out the FAFSA several weeks ago and am trying to get an apartment but need my loan info.

did you fill out NeedAccess and mail in your tax return forms as well?  I did that stuff at the beginning of last week (tho I had to email the finaid office bc of a mistake on needaccess).  hopefully they will get back to us soon.

No, I didnt know I had to fill out more than the FAFSA, I am new to this...Do I  have to fill out the NeedAccess?


Just saw the info on the admitted students website, so I am sending my tax returns so that makes me eligible for the stafford loans and private loans, what becomes available by doing NeedAccess and sending my parents tax returns?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 19, 2007, 09:44:47 AM
If you know you will not qualify for need-based aid, you don't need to do Need Access.  I double-checked this with Michigan last week.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Denny Crane on February 19, 2007, 11:02:54 AM
ummm when did vapid delete?

LSD has lost one of the great ones...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 19, 2007, 11:34:12 AM
ummm when did vapid delete?

LSD has lost one of the great ones...

He'll be back. They always come back.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 19, 2007, 11:48:14 AM
if you sign up for a room in the LC is it binding or can you back out later if you find something better suited for you?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 19, 2007, 12:07:55 PM
You can (and should if you're even considering living there) fill out the application without committing.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 19, 2007, 12:36:33 PM
I don't know if this has already been asked/answered, but:

I heard that almost no law students choose to live in the graduate student housing (Northwood).  Is there something wrong with it?  or is it just something people don't do?

Vapid lives in Northwood.  He gave me some information on it earlier in this thread but there's so many pages - search for Northwood because I know we mentioned the name. 

I am interested in this topic as well.  Did some of you ponder living at Northwood and reject it for some reason?  If so, let us know what the reasons were.  With it being all bills paid, it seems like a heck of a deal.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 19, 2007, 12:37:52 PM
We would consider it if it weren't for pets not being allowed.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 19, 2007, 12:47:42 PM
We would consider it if it weren't for pets not being allowed.

titcr
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 19, 2007, 12:49:04 PM
I don't know if this has already been asked/answered, but:

I heard that almost no law students choose to live in the graduate student housing (Northwood).  Is there something wrong with it?  or is it just something people don't do?

Vapid lives in Northwood.  He gave me some information on it earlier in this thread but there's so many pages - search for Northwood because I know we mentioned the name. 

I am interested in this topic as well.  Did some of you ponder living at Northwood and reject it for some reason?  If so, let us know what the reasons were.  With it being all bills paid, it seems like a heck of a deal.

...and the private bathroom.  Don't forget the private bathroom.

LOL, I have a husband and two kids - there is no such thing as a private bathroom for me anymore.  I can't step out of the shower without tripping over my 3 yr old in the mornings cuz he thinks he has to snooze on the rug until I get out of the shower.

I know what you mean though - if I was single I definitely wouldn't be able to do the LC with shared bathrooms.  I think at my age I am way too spoiled about certain things like bathrooms and having air conditioning.   :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Anne Shirley on February 19, 2007, 02:59:06 PM
I don't know if this has already been asked/answered, but:

I heard that almost no law students choose to live in the graduate student housing (Northwood).  Is there something wrong with it?  or is it just something people don't do?

Vapid lives in Northwood.  He gave me some information on it earlier in this thread but there's so many pages - search for Northwood because I know we mentioned the name. 

I am interested in this topic as well.  Did some of you ponder living at Northwood and reject it for some reason?  If so, let us know what the reasons were.  With it being all bills paid, it seems like a heck of a deal.

...and the private bathroom.  Don't forget the private bathroom.

LOL, I have a husband and two kids - there is no such thing as a private bathroom for me anymore.  I can't step out of the shower without tripping over my 3 yr old in the mornings cuz he thinks he has to snooze on the rug until I get out of the shower.

I know what you mean though - if I was single I definitely wouldn't be able to do the LC with shared bathrooms.  I think at my age I am way too spoiled about certain things like bathrooms and having air conditioning.   :D

Hi, Kencade. I'm a mommy as well. We're planning to live in Northwood if I decide to go to Michigan. As a matter of fact, I've already put my kiddos on the waiting list for the child development center.  Is there anyone on the thread that would be willing to show us a Northwood housing unit during the first ASW?  I'd be eternally grateful.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on February 19, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
I think most of us rejected Northwood for pets, though some might think it's too far away - there is a lot of housing near the law quad (not all of it nice).  But I think the vast majority are for pet reasons, certainly true for me.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: MysticMI on February 19, 2007, 09:53:09 PM
My main Northwood concern would be the lease period, which runs through June 30.  I'd be worried that I would just have to eat the rent for those two months in the summer since I'd be surprised if I were able to sublease for just that period.  If it weren't for that, I would definitely consider it.  Maybe someone can put my mind at ease and say it's not really going to be a problem  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 20, 2007, 07:17:01 AM
I didn't realize so many law students had pets with them.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 20, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Law students *need* pets for stress relief. :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 20, 2007, 07:48:03 AM
Law students *need* pets for stress relief. :)

my friend was just telling me yesterday how i should get a dog.  i want one...but i don't think i'll be able to deal with one 1L year...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 20, 2007, 07:49:33 AM
Law students *need* pets for stress relief. :)

my friend was just telling me yesterday how i should get a dog. i want one...but i don't think i'll be able to deal with one 1L year...

yeah that's what I was thinking. I almost want to bring one of my cat's with me, but I don't want to end up neglecting it.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 20, 2007, 07:54:54 AM
There are lots of us who are cohabiting with a spouse or SO, though... someone else to tend to the pet, and we just get to reap the rewards.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 20, 2007, 08:10:40 AM
There are lots of us who are cohabiting with a spouse or SO, though... someone else to tend to the pet, and we just get to reap the rewards.

Right...that would change things I suppose.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: soonertbone on February 20, 2007, 08:19:54 AM
Quote
Law students *need* pets for stress relief.

This is very true.

Glad to see so many responsible pet owners.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: nowitzski on February 20, 2007, 09:54:16 AM
Law students *need* pets for stress relief. :)

my friend was just telling me yesterday how i should get a dog.  i want one...but i don't think i'll be able to deal with one 1L year...

My plan is to get through a semester without a dog and consider the option then.  I want to make sure I have time/energy/$$ for a dog.  I have heard from others that getting a dog is a good idea though. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 20, 2007, 10:57:25 AM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school.  Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status.  It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...)  On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues.  I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup. 

/preaching
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 20, 2007, 11:22:38 AM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school.  Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status.  It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...)  On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues.  I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup. 

/preaching

i agree with jolie, dogs need A LOT of attn, a lot more than cats. they are not independent creatures and require a lot of time.  i have two cats and my concern is, what the hell am i going to do with them in the summer?  i will prob not be in AA for either summer (should i attend mich) so i guess i will either find a cat sitter, or lug them around the country with me.  although i doubt i will be taking them to cambodia with me, should i have that opportunity.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 20, 2007, 11:42:51 AM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school. Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status. It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...) On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues. I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup.

/preaching

i agree with jolie, dogs need A LOT of attn, a lot more than cats. they are not independent creatures and require a lot of time. i have two cats and my concern is, what the hell am i going to do with them in the summer? i will prob not be in AA for either summer (should i attend mich) so i guess i will either find a cat sitter, or lug them around the country with me. although i doubt i will be taking them to cambodia with me, should i have that opportunity.

I will refrain from making a joke about what might happen to a cat if you were to take it to cambodia with you.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 20, 2007, 11:44:38 AM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school. Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status. It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...) On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues. I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup.

/preaching

i agree with jolie, dogs need A LOT of attn, a lot more than cats. they are not independent creatures and require a lot of time. i have two cats and my concern is, what the hell am i going to do with them in the summer? i will prob not be in AA for either summer (should i attend mich) so i guess i will either find a cat sitter, or lug them around the country with me. although i doubt i will be taking them to cambodia with me, should i have that opportunity.

I will refrain from making a joke about what might happen to a cat if you were to take it to cambodia with you.

This comment was inevitable.

It could bring new meaning to the dish, "phad thai pet"...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 20, 2007, 11:46:19 AM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school. Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status. It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...) On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues. I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup.

/preaching

i agree with jolie, dogs need A LOT of attn, a lot more than cats. they are not independent creatures and require a lot of time. i have two cats and my concern is, what the hell am i going to do with them in the summer? i will prob not be in AA for either summer (should i attend mich) so i guess i will either find a cat sitter, or lug them around the country with me. although i doubt i will be taking them to cambodia with me, should i have that opportunity.

I will refrain from making a joke about what might happen to a cat if you were to take it to cambodia with you.

This comment was inevitable.

It could bring new meaning to the dish, "phad thai pet"...

I suppose you would prefer to serve it raw, doctor.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 20, 2007, 12:23:45 PM
I don't know if this has already been asked/answered, but:

I heard that almost no law students choose to live in the graduate student housing (Northwood).  Is there something wrong with it?  or is it just something people don't do?

Vapid lives in Northwood.  He gave me some information on it earlier in this thread but there's so many pages - search for Northwood because I know we mentioned the name. 

I am interested in this topic as well.  Did some of you ponder living at Northwood and reject it for some reason?  If so, let us know what the reasons were.  With it being all bills paid, it seems like a heck of a deal.

...and the private bathroom.  Don't forget the private bathroom.

LOL, I have a husband and two kids - there is no such thing as a private bathroom for me anymore.  I can't step out of the shower without tripping over my 3 yr old in the mornings cuz he thinks he has to snooze on the rug until I get out of the shower.

I know what you mean though - if I was single I definitely wouldn't be able to do the LC with shared bathrooms.  I think at my age I am way too spoiled about certain things like bathrooms and having air conditioning.   :D

Hi, Kencade. I'm a mommy as well. We're planning to live in Northwood if I decide to go to Michigan. As a matter of fact, I've already put my kiddos on the waiting list for the child development center.  Is there anyone on the thread that would be willing to show us a Northwood housing unit during the first ASW?  I'd be eternally grateful.

I was hoping that I could call ahead of time and set up an appointment to look at a vacant unit, but that might be too optimistic - they could be completely full, huh?  I haven't taken the plunge on the child development center yet because of the price.  I think I am just trying to adjust to the price of child care in MI in general as it is a lot more expensive than where I currently am.  For the childhood development center, I will pay the same for my 3 yr old as I currently pay for both of my kids.  And when I was figuring out my single salary budget, I was counting on the extra hundreds that I was planning to save by my 8 yr old not going to daycare...   So what made you decide on the childhood development center and the Northwood housing?  I'm always interested in others' perspectives as it sometimes helps me out with my decision-making.  :) 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 20, 2007, 12:30:40 PM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school.  Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status.  It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...)  On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues.  I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup. 

/preaching

Sounds just like my kids.  :D   You're right, though, they do impact many decisions.  We currently have two dogs, one small house dog and one hunting dog, and they will be moving in with our parents so we do not have to worry about the housing restrictions and taking care of them.

On a side note, I'm reading about all these pet worries and thinking Oh sh*t, if people are having trouble taking care of a dog during 1L, how am I going to do this with two kids!?! 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 20, 2007, 01:07:26 PM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school.  Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status.  It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...)  On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues.  I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup. 

/preaching

Sounds just like my kids.  :D   You're right, though, they do impact many decisions.  We currently have two dogs, one small house dog and one hunting dog, and they will be moving in with our parents so we do not have to worry about the housing restrictions and taking care of them.

On a side note, I'm reading about all these pet worries and thinking Oh sh*t, if people are having trouble taking care of a dog during 1L, how am I going to do this with two kids!?! 

Two words: Helpful Husband.

If your dogs are Benji and Lassie, respectively, that might help too...  :D

In seriousness, though, Michigan is supposed to be pretty collegial. If the experience of student kids is anything like mine as a fac brat (child of faculty living on the campus of a residential college or boarding school), they sort of become "community kids."

Remember, it takes a village (or in this case, a graduate housing complex) to raise a child...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 20, 2007, 06:03:39 PM
I just got off of the phone with a Mich 3L.  We were on the phone for about 30 mins.  It was great!!!  He answered all of my Qs and gave me a lot of info.

Sigh...decisions decisions.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Anne Shirley on February 20, 2007, 07:30:51 PM
I don't know if this has already been asked/answered, but:

I heard that almost no law students choose to live in the graduate student housing (Northwood).  Is there something wrong with it?  or is it just something people don't do?

Vapid lives in Northwood.  He gave me some information on it earlier in this thread but there's so many pages - search for Northwood because I know we mentioned the name. 

I am interested in this topic as well.  Did some of you ponder living at Northwood and reject it for some reason?  If so, let us know what the reasons were.  With it being all bills paid, it seems like a heck of a deal.

...and the private bathroom.  Don't forget the private bathroom.

LOL, I have a husband and two kids - there is no such thing as a private bathroom for me anymore.  I can't step out of the shower without tripping over my 3 yr old in the mornings cuz he thinks he has to snooze on the rug until I get out of the shower.

I know what you mean though - if I was single I definitely wouldn't be able to do the LC with shared bathrooms.  I think at my age I am way too spoiled about certain things like bathrooms and having air conditioning.   :D

Hi, Kencade. I'm a mommy as well. We're planning to live in Northwood if I decide to go to Michigan. As a matter of fact, I've already put my kiddos on the waiting list for the child development center.  Is there anyone on the thread that would be willing to show us a Northwood housing unit during the first ASW?  I'd be eternally grateful.

I was hoping that I could call ahead of time and set up an appointment to look at a vacant unit, but that might be too optimistic - they could be completely full, huh?  I haven't taken the plunge on the child development center yet because of the price.  I think I am just trying to adjust to the price of child care in MI in general as it is a lot more expensive than where I currently am.  For the childhood development center, I will pay the same for my 3 yr old as I currently pay for both of my kids.  And when I was figuring out my single salary budget, I was counting on the extra hundreds that I was planning to save by my 8 yr old not going to daycare...   So what made you decide on the childhood development center and the Northwood housing?  I'm always interested in others' perspectives as it sometimes helps me out with my decision-making.  :) 

I haven't fully decided on anything yet, not even Michigan. My entire law school decision rests on a delicate balance between where I want to go to school, money, and where my husband gets a job.  I'm in the process of putting my kids on waiting lists for both Mich and Stanford.  If I decide on Harvard, they can actually start public school in Cambridge.  They're too young to start in Palo Alto and Ann Arbor. Northwood seems convenient because of cost and proximity. Honestly, my husband's job/salary will be the deciding factor for Michigan.  If he can make enough that we don't need to take out any loans then I will drop everything and head for Michigan.  I have dreams of being debt free and there is just something about Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 20, 2007, 07:52:33 PM
I think I did too... someone beeped in when I was on the phone with someone else, and I didn't switch over.  Doh!  I hope they call tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 20, 2007, 08:14:30 PM
I got an e-mail this morning from someone with the Women Law Student Assoc. but no call tonight.  Did everyone else get an e/m too?  Or maybe my person decided to e-mail instead of call.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 20, 2007, 08:16:12 PM
I got an e-mail this morning from someone with the Women Law Student Assoc. but no call tonight.  Did everyone else get an e/m too?  Or maybe my person decided to e-mail instead of call.

i got that email a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 20, 2007, 08:17:55 PM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school.  Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status.  It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...)  On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues.  I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup. 

/preaching

Sounds just like my kids.  :D   You're right, though, they do impact many decisions.  We currently have two dogs, one small house dog and one hunting dog, and they will be moving in with our parents so we do not have to worry about the housing restrictions and taking care of them.

On a side note, I'm reading about all these pet worries and thinking Oh sh*t, if people are having trouble taking care of a dog during 1L, how am I going to do this with two kids!?! 

Two words: Helpful Husband.

If your dogs are Benji and Lassie, respectively, that might help too...  :D

In seriousness, though, Michigan is supposed to be pretty collegial. If the experience of student kids is anything like mine as a fac brat (child of faculty living on the campus of a residential college or boarding school), they sort of become "community kids."

Remember, it takes a village (or in this case, a graduate housing complex) to raise a child...

 :D  That makes me feel SO much better..

Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 20, 2007, 08:22:02 PM
my caller just friended me on Facebook  :)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Polo06 on February 20, 2007, 08:27:30 PM
I have a couple of questions for any current UMich student.  I apologize if they have already been asked, but it takes forever to read back through this thread to see.

How generous is Michigan with their financial aid packages?  I am coming right from UG and my FAFSA EFC is $0, however, it sounds like they consider my parents income, which is fairly significant.  Any suggestions on how you can maximize your Michigan package?  Lastly, do you recall at approximately what point you received your package last year?  Was it before the ASW?  Thanks in advance for any input you can provide.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on February 20, 2007, 09:07:00 PM
I called something like 8 or 9 people tonight and no one answered.  :'( I did want to talk to someone, I think that would've been fun. Plus I was envious of my friends who were having these really great conversations, probably with people like MCB and Gengis. Oh well.

I don't think Jolie came to the phonathon tonight, but I think she'll be calling some people tomorrow.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on February 20, 2007, 09:09:27 PM
I called something like 8 or 9 people tonight and no one answered.  :'( I did want to talk to someone, I think that would've been fun. Plus I was envious of my friends who were having these really great conversations, probably with people like MCB and Gengis. Oh well.

I don't think Jolie came to the phonathon tonight, but I think she'll be calling some people tomorrow.

oh.  i was probably one of them.  sorry.   :-\

Are you old, Asian, or from the state of Maryland? Those are the only people they gave me to call because I am all three of those things.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 20, 2007, 09:10:04 PM
I didn't get a phone call. I feel ignored.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 20, 2007, 09:35:40 PM
I called something like 8 or 9 people tonight and no one answered.  :'( I did want to talk to someone, I think that would've been fun. Plus I was envious of my friends who were having these really great conversations, probably with people like MCB and Gengis. Oh well.

I don't think Jolie came to the phonathon tonight, but I think she'll be calling some people tomorrow.

oh.  i was probably one of them.  sorry.   :-\

Are you old, Asian, or from the state of Maryland? Those are the only people they gave me to call because I am all three of those things.

I live in Maryland.


*&^%.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 20, 2007, 09:36:36 PM
I called something like 8 or 9 people tonight and no one answered.  :'( I did want to talk to someone, I think that would've been fun. Plus I was envious of my friends who were having these really great conversations, probably with people like MCB and Gengis. Oh well.

I don't think Jolie came to the phonathon tonight, but I think she'll be calling some people tomorrow.

oh.  i was probably one of them.  sorry.   :-\

Are you old, Asian, or from the state of Maryland? Those are the only people they gave me to call because I am all three of those things.

I live in Maryland.


*&^%.

wamp wamp  :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 20, 2007, 09:40:26 PM
I called something like 8 or 9 people tonight and no one answered.  :'( I did want to talk to someone, I think that would've been fun. Plus I was envious of my friends who were having these really great conversations, probably with people like MCB and Gengis. Oh well.

I don't think Jolie came to the phonathon tonight, but I think she'll be calling some people tomorrow.

oh.  i was probably one of them.  sorry.   :-\

Are you old, Asian, or from the state of Maryland? Those are the only people they gave me to call because I am all three of those things.

I live in Maryland.


sh*t.

wamp wamp  :D

Meh. I was out to dinner anyhow.

/Thai food is awesome.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: S.A. on February 20, 2007, 09:58:40 PM
Aw I missed my call  :(
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ipso facto on February 20, 2007, 10:12:33 PM
Oh, Michigan, why are you so lovely.

I just got an email from what I assumed was an alum, but it turns out she's actually a professor, and her daughter was in my graduating undergrad class and she just generally sounds totally awesome. They are such good wooers!

I got an email from a professor a few weeks ago. It was a tax professor because I was an accounting major and they figured I would be interested in tax law. He also talked about how  strange it can be to be a life long southerner and then move to Ann Arbor since he is from Alabama.

He told me to stop by his office and chat this fall, and he'd buy me a cup of coffee.

I <3 Michigan. They are experts at marketing their school.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: sillyberry on February 20, 2007, 10:58:19 PM
Oh, Michigan, why are you so lovely.

I just got an email from what I assumed was an alum, but it turns out she's actually a professor, and her daughter was in my graduating undergrad class and she just generally sounds totally awesome. They are such good wooers!

Ditto.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 21, 2007, 04:35:10 AM
Are you old, Asian, or from the state of Maryland? Those are the only people they gave me to call because I am all three of those things.

I swear, smiley, this sounds like a name for a bluegrass band.   :D

I didn't go last night.  I'm just going to crank out my memo today (ha ha) and go for longer tonight. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 21, 2007, 05:26:16 AM
A Mich person left a voicemail on my cell.  I never hear it when I'm at home. :(

Anyway, I think we have found a house to rent in Ann Arbor.  We're going to check it out when we're there for ASW!  I'm very excited.

Even though I'm still trying to convince Mich to give me $$$ before I'll commit.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: daydreamer on February 21, 2007, 06:00:12 AM
A Mich person left a voicemail on my cell.  I never hear it when I'm at home. :(

Anyway, I think we have found a house to rent in Ann Arbor.  We're going to check it out when we're there for ASW!  I'm very excited.

Even though I'm still trying to convince Mich to give me $$$ before I'll commit.

flyaway, are you definitively set on UMich?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 21, 2007, 06:23:01 AM
No... it's my top choice, but I have a hard time justifying Mich at full price over Duke at 40% off.  Or UVA with in-state tuition.  So I'm really, really hoping Mich will make my decision easier.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: stacy on February 21, 2007, 08:23:10 AM
Ipso, I had the prof who contacted you for torts this summer and he's great--i'd definitely take him up on his offer to get you coffee!

The way the phone/emailathon works is that there are 3 days of it: yesterday, today, and March 14th.  I think current students get a choice of whether they'd rather call or email people, and they get some say in who they'd like to call (for example, I'm going on the 14th and I particularly requested summer starters, women's college alums, and people going straight from undergrad to law school). 

The contacts from groups like WLSA and Outlaws are somewhat related to the phone/emailathon...certain (racial/religious/etc) student groups request lists of admitted students who fit certain criteria and organize their own recruitment campaigns.  Some just send their members to the phone/emailathon and have them contact prosepective students there.  And some do both.  So it's possible that you'll get contacted by several different people, or just by one. 

And if you don't get contacted tonight, hang on for March 14th! (or just post here and I'll tell you nice things about UM). 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Kencade on February 21, 2007, 08:28:23 AM



I haven't fully decided on anything yet, not even Michigan. My entire law school decision rests on a delicate balance between where I want to go to school, money, and where my husband gets a job.  I'm in the process of putting my kids on waiting lists for both Mich and Stanford.  If I decide on Harvard, they can actually start public school in Cambridge.  They're too young to start in Palo Alto and Ann Arbor. Northwood seems convenient because of cost and proximity. Honestly, my husband's job/salary will be the deciding factor for Michigan.  If he can make enough that we don't need to take out any loans then I will drop everything and head for Michigan.  I have dreams of being debt free and there is just something about Michigan.
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I know what you mean about the delicate balance - my husband's company location currently is in Southfield, which is an OK commute, but they're talking about moving it, which could throw off our delicate balance if its too far from AA to commute.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Anne Shirley on February 21, 2007, 09:32:08 AM



I haven't fully decided on anything yet, not even Michigan. My entire law school decision rests on a delicate balance between where I want to go to school, money, and where my husband gets a job.  I'm in the process of putting my kids on waiting lists for both Mich and Stanford.  If I decide on Harvard, they can actually start public school in Cambridge.  They're too young to start in Palo Alto and Ann Arbor. Northwood seems convenient because of cost and proximity. Honestly, my husband's job/salary will be the deciding factor for Michigan.  If he can make enough that we don't need to take out any loans then I will drop everything and head for Michigan.  I have dreams of being debt free and there is just something about Michigan.



I know what you mean about the delicate balance - my husband's company location currently is in Southfield, which is an OK commute, but they're talking about moving it, which could throw off our delicate balance if its too far from AA to commute.
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That would definitely create a dilemma.  I understand the feeling. Right now we're in limbo.  I'm sure once my financial aid packages roll in from other schools I'll be able to make a definite decision.  Right now my husband is afraid to job hunt because I'm in love with a different school every hour  ::).

I'm sure my visits will also help me narrow my choices down.  By the way, you do know that Michigan offers financial assistance for daycare, right?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 21, 2007, 10:28:03 AM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school. Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status. It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...) On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues. I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup.

/preaching

i agree with jolie, dogs need A LOT of attn, a lot more than cats. they are not independent creatures and require a lot of time. i have two cats and my concern is, what the hell am i going to do with them in the summer? i will prob not be in AA for either summer (should i attend mich) so i guess i will either find a cat sitter, or lug them around the country with me. although i doubt i will be taking them to cambodia with me, should i have that opportunity.

I will refrain from making a joke about what might happen to a cat if you were to take it to cambodia with you.

i appriciate that, i really do
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 21, 2007, 10:28:40 AM
Despite the fact that I have more dogs per capita than any other law student I know, I'm going to say that I don't think it's a great idea to get a dog just before law school. Or rather - it might be a great idea for some of you, the ones who would be great dog owners regardless of your student status. It's just that they're a lot of work and impact all of your decisions (where you live, with whom you live, when you go home during the day, what you do on breaks from school...) On the other hand, they bring tremendous joy and are the perfect companions when you need to cuddle with someone who won't try to discuss substantive legal issues. I'm so happy to have my girls (and my poor stepchild-of-a-cat), but I hope that people know what they're getting into when they take in a pup.

/preaching

i agree with jolie, dogs need A LOT of attn, a lot more than cats. they are not independent creatures and require a lot of time. i have two cats and my concern is, what the hell am i going to do with them in the summer? i will prob not be in AA for either summer (should i attend mich) so i guess i will either find a cat sitter, or lug them around the country with me. although i doubt i will be taking them to cambodia with me, should i have that opportunity.

I will refrain from making a joke about what might happen to a cat if you were to take it to cambodia with you.

i appriciate that, i really do

I hope so, it is still eating me up inside.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Dukestarbored on February 21, 2007, 06:26:36 PM
I hope they call before 10. Then my phone's going off. Lost is on.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: sillyberry on February 21, 2007, 07:32:33 PM
I was the first person on the list for one of my very dear friends.

I'm like, dude, can someone who hasn't already tried to brainwash me for months call?    :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 21, 2007, 08:25:44 PM
I was the first person on the list for one of my very dear friends.

I'm like, dude, can someone who hasn't already tried to brainwash me for months call?    :P

You should call back and request someone else tomorrow. :D


lol... his friend might get some accusatory looks after that.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 21, 2007, 08:31:24 PM
I was the first person on the list for one of my very dear friends.

I'm like, dude, can someone who hasn't already tried to brainwash me for months call?    :P

You should call back and request someone else tomorrow. :D


lol... his her friend might get some accusatory looks after that.

 ;)

eep.

Damn genderless intarweb.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: sillyberry on February 21, 2007, 09:26:17 PM
I was the first person on the list for one of my very dear friends.

I'm like, dude, can someone who hasn't already tried to brainwash me for months call?    :P

You should call back and request someone else tomorrow. :D


lol... his her friend might get some accusatory looks after that.

 ;)

eep.

Damn genderless intarweb.

MRS dude.  MRS.

And my very dear friend is going to have someone from an org I'm interested in call.  She's cool like that.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 22, 2007, 05:28:27 AM
I got a very enthusiastic email from a guy who said he grabbed my contact info as soon as he saw that I had studied Russian. :)  He's a big Russophile himself.  Anyway... very cool to hear from someone with similar interests and someone who wanted to talk to *me*!  I asked him some questions and look forward to hearing back.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Jolie Was Here on February 22, 2007, 05:35:54 AM
Yeah, I had a field day making calls and emailing and hanging out with the Admissions crew law night.  Don't think I got any of the LSD crowd, tho.   
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 22, 2007, 07:08:03 AM
Yeah, I had a field day making calls and emailing and hanging out with the Admissions crew law night. Don't think I got any of the LSD crowd, tho.

You should have used a secret password to identify them.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 22, 2007, 08:37:07 PM
Looks like its Civ Pro and Torts for us summer starters...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 22, 2007, 08:43:16 PM
Looks like its Civ Pro and Torts for us summer starters...

Is the info up for this year?

if I go there, I expect some notes waiting for me upon arrival...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 22, 2007, 09:04:42 PM
Looks like its Civ Pro and Torts for us summer starters...

Yeah? Too bad, I was hoping for Contracts.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 22, 2007, 09:11:53 PM
Looks like its Civ Pro and Torts for us summer starters...

Yeah? Too bad, I was hoping for Contracts.

Guess you'll just have to take contracts with the rest of us.  :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 22, 2007, 09:14:32 PM
Looks like its Civ Pro and Torts for us summer starters...

Yeah? Too bad, I was hoping for Contracts.

Guess you'll just have to take contracts with the rest of us. :P

Darn!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 22, 2007, 09:22:17 PM
sorry to change the subj but can anyone tell me if AA has a Trader Joe's?  (crosses fingers)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 22, 2007, 09:52:52 PM
sorry to change the subj but can anyone tell me if AA has a Trader Joe's?  (crosses fingers)

Yes

http://web.sa.mapquest.com/traderjoes/advantage.adp?transaction=locmap&tempSet=locmap&mapStyle=style5&pheight=324&pwidth=504&name=Ann%20Arbor%20(678)&address=2398%20East%20Stadium%20Blvd.&city=Ann%20Arbor&stateProvince=MI&country=US&latitude=42.259718&longitude=-83.713842&user1=734-975-2455

i guess it would've been just as easy to look it up...thanks gcoop
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 22, 2007, 10:46:54 PM
i didn't get the letter either...sad.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 22, 2007, 10:51:34 PM
i didn't get the letter either...sad.

Well, at least we're unloved together.

Could be worse. Think of the poor souls who aren't even admitted yet.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Thread Mocker on February 22, 2007, 10:58:18 PM
THIS THREAD IS WORTHY OF MOCKING.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: jd2bee on February 23, 2007, 08:41:32 AM
Actually that makes a weird amount of sense, cryptically speaking, since about an hour ago I read an article in the Michigan Law School Newspaper alluding to the wiles of the summerstarters.

Michigan Law School Newspaper? Online? Hard copy?

Where?! Tell me!

Also, since I'm sure you'll get the letter tomorrow I won't bother going downstairs to see if there's anything else worth mentioning, but it's a fun letter to get and makes the whole thing much realer (and I'm generally pro-real).

If I don't I'm gonna make you forward me your copy.  JSYK.

As for the School Paper . . .

http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/RG/

Could you tell me which issue that article was in?  I don't see it on the link.

I guess Civ Pro and Torts is a decent balance.  Civ Pro is horribly boring.  Torts is kinda cool.  Not too shabby!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 23, 2007, 11:44:57 AM
Any of the current Wolverines wanna give some info on the professors?  Sherman Clark and Omri Ben-Sharar (I think)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 11:55:03 AM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 23, 2007, 11:57:06 AM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?

By late March, I plan to have made up my mind about where I'm going. :)  So if I'm going to Michigan, I'll be at the DC reception on 3/28.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ---------- on February 23, 2007, 12:38:05 PM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?

they are all too far away from me (st. louis, mo). i am going to the preview weekend march 22-24th though.

i work with a couple guys who just graduated from umls, and one had clark for sports law and really like him.

if you guys didn't get the letter for summer starters, the same thing is online on the admitted students website: http://www.law.umich.edu/admittedstudents/finding/summer.htm except they've changed the teacher names and profiles. otherwise, i'm pretty sure it's identical.

one last thing, anybody see that you need a flash drive for every test you take? how hilarious is that. you get them returned after the finish grading, but walking around with 4 of those around my neck is going to be funny.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: thenextstep on February 23, 2007, 12:42:41 PM
I had Sherman Clark for Torts - and I liked him.  He's very laidback in class.  Some found that not to be rigorous enough, but I think it was more that he has a way of simplifying complex topics to the extent that people don't even know it is complicated anymore.  I think that's a good skill and I enjoyed his class.  Other people had more mixed feelings but I think most like his demeanor.  I hear great things about Ben-Shahar... maybe Smiley will come chat about him.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 12:46:00 PM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?

they are all too far away from me (st. louis, mo). i am going to the preview weekend march 22-24th though.

i work with a couple guys who just graduated from umls, and one had clark for sports law and really like him.

if you guys didn't get the letter for summer starters, the same thing is online on the admitted students website: http://www.law.umich.edu/admittedstudents/finding/summer.htm except they've changed the teacher names and profiles. otherwise, i'm pretty sure it's identical.

one last thing, anybody see that you need a flash drive for every test you take? how hilarious is that. you get them returned after the finish grading, but walking around with 4 of those around my neck is going to be funny.

what? that's crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on February 23, 2007, 12:50:32 PM
Not sure if this was addressed before or not, but is anyone else planning on doing a dual degree or have any insight into whether this is generally a good idea? I'm looking specifically at the school of natural resources.

Also Monserrat or Kencade (or someone else?), I believe you said your husband was a hunter, I meant to ask awhile back whether he did any fly fishing. I've heard there are some good spots near AA.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ---------- on February 23, 2007, 12:52:07 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 23, 2007, 12:54:08 PM
Not sure if this was addressed before or not, but is anyone else planning on doing a dual degree or have any insight into whether this is generally a good idea? I'm looking specifically at the school of natural resources.

Also Monserrat or Kencade (or someone else?), I believe you said your husband was a hunter, I meant to ask awhile back whether he did any fly fishing. I've heard there are some good spots near AA.

don't have a husband, but am thinking about dual jd/mpp.  unfortunately UM's is extremely hard to get into
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 23, 2007, 01:10:01 PM
And umm . . . who are the summer profs, for we unfortunates who failed to receive an e-mail?  (I swear, I'll stop asking about the dang e-mail as soon as someone tells me this.)

Omri Ben-Sharar (Civ Pro) & Sherman Clark (Torts)
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ---------- on February 23, 2007, 01:19:47 PM
Not sure if this was addressed before or not, but is anyone else planning on doing a dual degree or have any insight into whether this is generally a good idea? I'm looking specifically at the school of natural resources.


i don't know too much, but i was going to pursue a jd/mba. found out it was basically useless since i have a background in finance (after soliciting advice from lots of people, including about 20 lawyers in real estate/contracts/litigation i work with now). i don't know if the same applies to other areas.  also, i've heard that even if you don't get into your other emphasis (besides law), they're pretty relaxed about letting you in once you've got a year of law school under your belt. that's just hearsay, so take it for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: pikey on February 23, 2007, 01:27:18 PM
Not sure if this was addressed before or not, but is anyone else planning on doing a dual degree or have any insight into whether this is generally a good idea? I'm looking specifically at the school of natural resources.


i don't know too much, but i was going to pursue a jd/mba. found out it was basically useless since i have a background in finance (after soliciting advice from lots of people, including about 20 lawyers in real estate/contracts/litigation i work with now). i don't know if the same applies to other areas.  also, i've heard that even if you don't get into your other emphasis (besides law), they're pretty relaxed about letting you in once you've got a year of law school under your belt. that's just hearsay, so take it for what it's worth.

I have a background in banking/finance (finance/accounting, now a trust officer).  Any idea if a JD/MBA would be worthwhile for trust and estates law or as internal counsel for a bank or other financial services firm?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: stacy on February 23, 2007, 01:30:19 PM
interesting that Omri's doing CivPro...I have him now for Contracts.  I find him very nice and straightforward. I also did some research assistant work for him over break and liked him in that capacity, too.  I don't know how he'll fit his law & econ interests into Civ Pro, but I'm sure he will. 

I actually think Civ Pro's really helpful to take at first so you understand what's going on when you read cases for other subjects.  And I think most of my class started off preferring torts, but switched by the end of the summer (I certainly did). 

As for dual degrees, I'm doing JD/Master of Urban Planning..so 3 semesters at the law school now, 2 at urban planning next year, and 3 more that are a mixture.  PM me for more details. 
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: smiley on February 23, 2007, 03:43:50 PM
interesting that Omri's doing CivPro...I have him now for Contracts.  I find him very nice and straightforward. I also did some research assistant work for him over break and liked him in that capacity, too.  I don't know how he'll fit his law & econ interests into Civ Pro, but I'm sure he will. 

I actually think Civ Pro's really helpful to take at first so you understand what's going on when you read cases for other subjects.   

I agree with stacy definitely about Omri Ben-Shahar. I think he's a really good teacher, especially for Contracts, but I'm sure he'll be great for Civ Pro. He lets you know his expectations right off the bat for in-class preparation and discussions and I think he's really clear about what he wants you to know. I also feel that he is interested in his students and wants to help in their educations in some way.

I also think it's helpful to have Civ Pro first. I had it in the fall and I loved it. (Although I do really really like Torts now too). Sherman Clark is someone I've never had, but he's an extremely popular professor here. Most of the people I know who have had him say that he is a very clear teacher and quite entertaining and personable.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 05:45:12 PM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?

I may be in Boston and attending that event myself.

Oh yeah? You should, then I wouldn't feel quite as weird about going. Let me know if you decide to go.

Oh, and I got the summer starter letter today. Michigan, I love you.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: monserrat on February 23, 2007, 05:56:14 PM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?

I may be in Boston and attending that event myself.

Oh yeah? You should, then I wouldn't feel quite as weird about going. Let me know if you decide to go.

Oh, and I got the summer starter letter today. Michigan, I love you.

I'll know next week for sure.  It'll be a cool event; it's being hosted by the current pride of the NBA:  The Boston Celtics.

i'm so jealous..i want to go to an event hosted by the lakers
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 06:04:27 PM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?

I may be in Boston and attending that event myself.

Oh yeah? You should, then I wouldn't feel quite as weird about going. Let me know if you decide to go.

Oh, and I got the summer starter letter today. Michigan, I love you.

I'll know next week for sure. It'll be a cool event; it's being hosted by the current pride of the NBA: Your 2007 Boston Celtics.

I know, and the fact that I'm not at all a sports fan makes that even better/stranger.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 06:07:51 PM
neat, I just got invited to the Michigan Alumni Reception in Boston. Anyone else going to things like that?

I may be in Boston and attending that event myself.

Oh yeah? You should, then I wouldn't feel quite as weird about going. Let me know if you decide to go.

Oh, and I got the summer starter letter today. Michigan, I love you.

I'll know next week for sure. It'll be a cool event; it's being hosted by the current pride of the NBA: Your 2007 Boston Celtics.

I know, and the fact that I'm not at all a sports fan makes that even better/stranger.

I don't follow the NBA, but I think they've lost like 20 games in a row recently.

I don't follow it either, but I know enough to know the Celtics suck. :D
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 06:59:14 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 23, 2007, 08:15:36 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 08:18:27 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 23, 2007, 08:21:28 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor.  :P
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 08:22:52 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor. :P

I figured something like that. I'm a paralegal for a tax attorney, does that make you and I sworn enemies?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 23, 2007, 08:42:05 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor. :P

I figured something like that. I'm a paralegal for a tax attorney, does that make you and I sworn enemies?

Depends how much fraud you abet, and how much can be proven.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 08:49:13 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor. :P

I figured something like that. I'm a paralegal for a tax attorney, does that make you and I sworn enemies?

Depends how much fraud you abet, and how much can be proven.

uh oh, i better stop speaking right now. actually, i would much rather like to be on your side of the equasion. i should use my powers for good, not evil.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 23, 2007, 08:54:12 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor. :P

I figured something like that. I'm a paralegal for a tax attorney, does that make you and I sworn enemies?

Depends how much fraud you abet, and how much can be proven.

uh oh, i better stop speaking right now. actually, i would much rather like to be on your side of the equasion. i should use my powers for good, not evil.

Criminal tax litigation is a cool place to be.

/Well, maybe not COOL.
//Could be worse, though.
///Could be in antitrust...
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 23, 2007, 08:58:37 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor. :P

I figured something like that. I'm a paralegal for a tax attorney, does that make you and I sworn enemies?

Depends how much fraud you abet, and how much can be proven.

uh oh, i better stop speaking right now. actually, i would much rather like to be on your side of the equasion. i should use my powers for good, not evil.

Criminal tax litigation is a cool place to be.

/Well, maybe not COOL.
//Could be worse, though.
///Could be in antitrust...

mmhmm...I just spent the better part of the last week dealing with the IRS on an issue involving one of our more interesting clients. I can't imagine much worse than being one of those guys.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 23, 2007, 09:00:25 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor. :P

I figured something like that. I'm a paralegal for a tax attorney, does that make you and I sworn enemies?

Depends how much fraud you abet, and how much can be proven.

uh oh, i better stop speaking right now. actually, i would much rather like to be on your side of the equasion. i should use my powers for good, not evil.

Criminal tax litigation is a cool place to be.

/Well, maybe not COOL.
//Could be worse, though.
///Could be in antitrust...

mmhmm...I just spent the better part of the last week dealing with the IRS on an issue involving one of our more interesting clients. I can't imagine much worse than being one of those guys.

Justice Tax Division is where it's at.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: The Poster on February 24, 2007, 10:09:56 PM
Quote

what? that's crazy.

but true. me bored at work = looking at the admitted students website here: http://www.law.umich.edu/currentstudents/informationtechnology/laptops/specs.htm
there are all kinds of specs for computers and whatnot.

anybody have any input on the usefullness of other computing software like OneNote?

But it also says you can save it to the network and not have to use a flash drive. at least that's what it seems to say.

I dunno, wearing a fistful o' flashdrives around campus might serve as an effective scarlet letter for us law students... the truest and purest of geeks, as most of us are completely oblivious to our own geekiness.


Q: What's the difference between an accountant and a lawyer?
A: The accountant knows he's boring.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Spoken like a true (future) lawyer.

ps. I'm actually a forensic auditor. :P

I figured something like that. I'm a paralegal for a tax attorney, does that make you and I sworn enemies?

Depends how much fraud you abet, and how much can be proven.

uh oh, i better stop speaking right now. actually, i would much rather like to be on your side of the equasion. i should use my powers for good, not evil.

Criminal tax litigation is a cool place to be.

/Well, maybe not COOL.
//Could be worse, though.
///Could be in antitrust...

mmhmm...I just spent the better part of the last week dealing with the IRS on an issue involving one of our more interesting clients. I can't imagine much worse than being one of those guys.

Justice Tax Division is where it's at.

you know i looked it up, it does sound pretty cool actually.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: latinforliar on February 24, 2007, 11:35:00 PM
Are law students only allowed one football ticket per person or can we get multiple?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 25, 2007, 04:23:20 AM
Are law students only allowed one football ticket per person or can we get multiple?

Oooh, I wanted to know this too.

Also, I know at Duke you can pay for a spouse pass for them to use facilities like the gym.  Can you do this at Michigan?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 25, 2007, 09:34:18 AM
Are law students only allowed one football ticket per person or can we get multiple?

Oooh, I wanted to know this too.

Also, I know at Duke you can pay for a spouse pass for them to use facilities like the gym.  Can you do this at Michigan?

Very good questions.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ..... on February 25, 2007, 09:40:01 AM
PARTNER TICKET: A student who is married, has a dependent child or has a Registered Domestic Partnership under a City ordinance, may also purchase one additional season ticket known as a "partner" ticket for $315 (limit of one partner ticket per student regardless of eligibility in multiple categories). Proof of partner ticket eligibility (such as a marriage or birth certificate or a Registered Domestic Partnership Certificate) must be submitted to the Ticket Office.

Source:  http://www.mgoblue.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=17420



Awesome. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: flyaway on February 26, 2007, 06:15:47 AM
GCoop, you're awesome... thanks so much!
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 26, 2007, 08:28:16 AM
Anyone not planning on buying football tickets?
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 26, 2007, 08:35:50 AM
Anyone not planning on buying football tickets?

you know, I don't like fb...but if I end up at Mich this fall, I plan to buy them, only bc maybe I'd want to spend time with my ls buddies on sat.

but a part of me feel that i'd be wasting money  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: wilax3man on February 26, 2007, 08:53:32 AM
I can not wait for the football games, I just need to figure out how I am gonna get tickets for the SO.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 26, 2007, 08:56:23 AM
I can not wait for the football games, I just need to figure out how I am gonna get tickets for the SO.

read the first response on this page...talks about partner tickets.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ipso facto on February 26, 2007, 08:58:16 AM
Anyone not planning on buying football tickets?

you know, I don't like fb...but if I end up at Mich this fall, I plan to buy them, only bc maybe I'd want to spend time with my ls buddies on sat.

but a part of me feel that i'd be wasting money  :-\

If you like beer, you like football. You just don't know it yet.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 26, 2007, 08:59:29 AM
Anyone not planning on buying football tickets?

you know, I don't like fb...but if I end up at Mich this fall, I plan to buy them, only bc maybe I'd want to spend time with my ls buddies on sat.

but a part of me feel that i'd be wasting money  :-\

If you like beer, you like football. You just don't know it yet.

i don't like beer
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on February 26, 2007, 09:04:31 AM
Anyone not planning on buying football tickets?

you know, I don't like fb...but if I end up at Mich this fall, I plan to buy them, only bc maybe I'd want to spend time with my ls buddies on sat.

but a part of me feel that i'd be wasting money  :-\

If you like beer, you like football. You just don't know it yet.

i don't like beer

Eh, don't worry about that.  My roomie used to hate football and this year she volunteered to watch the playoffs with me - enjoyment can be acquired.  Besides, how many live games have you been to that were actually any good?  (That's not meant as a slam folks, I just know a bit about where she went to school.)

I only went to one..it was good.  I just don't like sports.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ipso facto on February 26, 2007, 09:04:47 AM
Anyone not planning on buying football tickets?

you know, I don't like fb...but if I end up at Mich this fall, I plan to buy them, only bc maybe I'd want to spend time with my ls buddies on sat.

but a part of me feel that i'd be wasting money  :-\

If you like beer, you like football. You just don't know it yet.

i don't like beer

Oh, you are f*cked then! ;D

Seriously though, for those that don't like football, game time might be a wonderful time to catch up on some studying. And there are usually only 6 or 7 home games a year.
Title: Re: Michigan 1L Taking Questions
Post by: ---------- on February 26, 2007, 09:07:59 AM