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Deciding Where to Go => Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists => Topic started by: ->Soon on September 05, 2006, 05:19:14 PM

Title: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on September 05, 2006, 05:19:14 PM
Where did you geta  full ride, what were your numbers, and where there any additional factors that may have helped you get the full ride.

thanks  :)
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: smack on December 04, 2006, 01:51:03 PM
Where's the vader dog?  I hardly recognized you?  I have yet to get a full ride, but a friend of mine got a ride at TX Tech with a 3.9 and a 154!!!  So its not a T20...free is free.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 04, 2006, 02:08:39 PM
Where's the vader dog?  I hardly recognized you?  I have yet to get a full ride, but a friend of mine got a ride at TX Tech with a 3.9 and a 154!!!  So its not a T20...free is free.

thats what im thinking!
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: RUMike on December 04, 2006, 04:04:58 PM
St. John's...163/3.79.

A friend with a 162 and similar GPA also got it, so I don't think it's anything special about me.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 04, 2006, 08:32:02 PM
Where's the vader dog?  I hardly recognized you?  I have yet to get a full ride, but a friend of mine got a ride at TX Tech with a 3.9 and a 154!!!  So its not a T20...free is free.


Really???  That's very interesting...

no absorbing my info!

unless you can convince some others with a free ride to post...
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theunderdog on December 08, 2006, 07:06:38 AM
St. John's...163/3.79.

A friend with a 162 and similar GPA also got it, so I don't think it's anything special about me.

congrats!  what do you need to maintain the full scholarship if anything?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 08, 2006, 07:16:07 AM
Where's the vader dog?  I hardly recognized you?  I have yet to get a full ride, but a friend of mine got a ride at TX Tech with a 3.9 and a 154!!!  So its not a T20...free is free.

thats what im thinking!

It really isn't. That free ride on the wrong school could prove quite costly in the long run.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theunderdog on December 08, 2006, 07:17:30 AM
really?  i have a shot at the top schools but i'm considering going to second tier if they're going to offer me a full scholarship... bad idea?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 08, 2006, 07:17:56 AM
really?  i have a shot at the top schools but i'm considering going to second tier if they're going to offer me a full scholarship... bad idea?

not in my opinion.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: KillYourself on December 08, 2006, 07:34:04 AM
Where's the vader dog?  I hardly recognized you?  I have yet to get a full ride, but a friend of mine got a ride at TX Tech with a 3.9 and a 154!!!  So its not a T20...free is free.

thats what im thinking!

It really isn't. That free ride on the wrong school could prove quite costly in the long run.

Not true at all.

It depends entirely on what you want from your legal education, and what you're willing to do after.

I'm willing to suck d*ck for coke.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 08, 2006, 07:38:21 AM
Where's the vader dog?  I hardly recognized you?  I have yet to get a full ride, but a friend of mine got a ride at TX Tech with a 3.9 and a 154!!!  So its not a T20...free is free.

thats what im thinking!

It really isn't. That free ride on the wrong school could prove quite costly in the long run.

Not true at all.

It depends entirely on what you want from your legal education, and what you're willing to do after.

I'm willing to suck d*ck for coke.

diet or cherry?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 08, 2006, 07:39:02 AM
I wouldn't reccomend it in most circumstances. It may sound cliche, but if you get into a top school, go for it. I'll be graduating from a t3 in May, and as of right now I honestly feel that my decision to take the full ride here over the t1s that accepted me is the worst decision I've ever made.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 08, 2006, 07:49:11 AM
Where's the vader dog?  I hardly recognized you?  I have yet to get a full ride, but a friend of mine got a ride at TX Tech with a 3.9 and a 154!!!  So its not a T20...free is free.

thats what im thinking!

It really isn't. That free ride on the wrong school could prove quite costly in the long run.

Not true at all.

It depends entirely on what you want from your legal education, and what you're willing to do after.
I explicitly wrote could not will. Going to law school, you probably know the difference, at least I hope so. So yes, if you do not have high ambitions etc, it won't matter if you go to Cooley or Yale, if you do however - and I assume most of us do, it does make a difference. Saying "not true at all" is ridiculous. The difference of going to a Top 20 school compared to a rank 70-100 school is significant, and you know it.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theunderdog on December 08, 2006, 07:52:48 AM
I wouldn't reccomend it in most circumstances. It may sound cliche, but if you get into a top school, go for it. I'll be graduating from a t3 in May, and as of right now I honestly feel that my decision to take the full ride here over the t1s that accepted me is the worst decision I've ever made.

wow interesting.  could you elaborate on you said?  why you feel regret now?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 08, 2006, 07:53:39 AM
I am a bit confused that you guys would be surprised at that...
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 08, 2006, 08:04:15 AM
I strongly doubt that applies to "most people" going to law school. I find it way more likely that law students are successful academics that are definitely looking to build a successful career as well. Are there some people determined to work at a lower ranked government office or working for Billy Bob's Lawyers and Dining in Alabama? I'm sure there is. Does that apply to a majority of law school students? I seriously doubt it.

Edit; not to mention, going to a good school you might be able to make that decision in your 3rd year. Going to a significantly lower ranked school, it will not be a choice for you to make.

My bottom line is that ruling out a lot of options by saving a rather low amount of money (in the bigger perspective anyway) might not be the best decision you'd make.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 08, 2006, 08:10:21 AM
I wouldn't reccomend it in most circumstances. It may sound cliche, but if you get into a top school, go for it. I'll be graduating from a t3 in May, and as of right now I honestly feel that my decision to take the full ride here over the t1s that accepted me is the worst decision I've ever made.

wow interesting.  could you elaborate on you said?  why you feel regret now?

Reasons I regret my decision:

1) I ended up paying full tuition during 2L anyway because I got a 2.9 during 1L. Just because your numbers are better than everybody else at your school does not mean that you will do better than them.

2) I still have yet to work a paying legal job. I worked an unpaid internship last summer, volunteered at legal aid last spring, and got stuck working in a book store the summer after 1L.

3) I am almost positive that I will not get a job until I pass the bar. The stress is killing me.

4) I'm originally from the D.C. area and am going to move back there, but this means that I will likely spend the first years of my career floating between temporary document review jobs not knowing where my paycheck will come from the next month while working for pompous young associates who went to schools I could have gotten into but probably didn't have to work as hard as I did during law school because they had their position at the firm lined up before the end of the first semester of 2L.

5) None of the firms that I want to work for will even give me an interview. I'm not just talking about big law firms. Actually, I haven't sent a single resume to a big law firm.

7) A good childhood friend of mine is a 2L at a t1 that I got into and he will be making $2500 per week this summer trying out different practice areas to see what he likes while I become desparate and start looking for a job with an insurance defense firm.

8 I simply don't have a fraction of the options that I would had I gone to the top school that I got into.


....I could probably think of more, but there's a start.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theunderdog on December 08, 2006, 08:15:37 AM
man, you have my condolences.  thanks for sharing.  you're going through some rough times but you'll kick some butt later on.  keep pressing.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Booyakasha2 on December 08, 2006, 08:25:03 AM
Do you mind disclosing which T3 you go to now?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 08, 2006, 08:29:44 AM
Do you mind disclosing which T3 you go to now?

I'd rather not actually. Sorry.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 08, 2006, 08:32:09 AM
I do have sympathy with your scenario, specially since I will probably not get in to a T1 myself ;) But honestly, what you are stating should be pretty much obvious to anyone who has actually researched this education before starting it. Yeah, a top school is going to cost you easily $100k or more extra, but the fact that your career choices will be so much more open and very likely so much better paying, it really should be a nobrainer unless your finances are completely screwed before going into law school.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Booyakasha2 on December 08, 2006, 08:57:01 AM
Right, im just afraid of the conditiosn many schools attach with their scholarship.  Like in your case, who knows how each of us will adjust to LS academics...that 3.0 might be real tough to uphold.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: sneafle on December 08, 2006, 08:58:32 AM
I do have sympathy with your scenario, specially since I will probably not get in to a T1 myself ;) But honestly, what you are stating should be pretty much obvious to anyone who has actually researched this education before starting it. Yeah, a top school is going to cost you easily $100k or more extra, but the fact that your career choices will be so much more open and very likely so much better paying, it really should be a nobrainer unless your finances are completely screwed before going into law school.

I tend to agree. It seems to me that the bottom 150 law schools is something of a scam. The tuition is outrageous in almost all instances, and when they do give you a scholarship, it tends to be difficult to maintain. Job prospects for people spending roughly $100,000 on school are not good (certainly not as good as they should be given the effort and expense), yet schools routinely obfuscate the actual job and salary prospects, making it very difficult for those researching law as a career to make an informed decision. I understand that not everyone wants to work in a large law firm, but it would appear that tuition is as high as it is because schools can always claim that "we have 99.8% employment at 9 months from graduation, with a median salary of $115,000," when clearly that is patently untrue for most schools.

This is not to offend anyone attending such an institution, and many people, hopefully, do find gainful employment. It just really bothers me that law schools hold their noses in the air pretending to be the gatekeepers to a noble profession, wherein your volunteer work and meaningful life experiences are examined under a microscope to make sure that only saints are allowed in, while simultaneously misrepresenting the law school experience and job prospects. (Please don't write about the guy who graduated from a 5th tier school and is now driving a BMW. We all know someone like that.)
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: darlinalexi on December 08, 2006, 09:01:29 AM
See, I'm looking at the best fit program for myself over maybe the biggest name.  I do want to go into public interest, so it doesn't matter as much where I go as someone who is looking to work for a large corporate firm. Honestly, if I apply to Georgetown or Berkeley (it all depends on my LSAT scores because if I don't do well, I have no shot this late in the game) and recieve an offer, I'll probably go.  There are, though, factors other than name involved too. 

- I will only go to school in Boston, NYC Metropolitan Area, DC area, or possibly Chicago.  It's extremely important to be to be in an area that I would be happy to live and work in upon graduation.  These are large markets, but if I go to a lower ranked school that still has a decent regional reputation and want to remain in that region, I'll be okay.

- I'm going into public interest, like I stated, so if I get a full-ride somewhere not as high up on my list, I'll definately consider it since I can't count on a large paycheck coming out of school. It's just not a priority to me nor is it why I want to become a lawyer.   I will be happy as long as I'm in an area where I can affect the people around me, be in a city with great public transporation where things are grouped together as opposed to being spread out, and as long as I'm in a politically more liberal area. I don't think I need a lot more than that.  Others who may want to work in their hometown as family or estate lawyers probably do not need to go to a tier one to be successful; maybe their happiness will be a job which allows them to spend more time with their family and less time paying off school debt.

- One area of law I'm particularly interested in because I have many friends affected by these issues is the area of LGBT advocacy law. Hofstra, not a very well-ranked school, has a strong program in that area so if I went there, I don't think I'd be depriving myself of a good education (especially if they gave me money).  I have a good friend that wants to go into Securities and is looking at Northeastern because they have decent placement with the SEC; not the greatest school but she could get what she needs at their program. 


I'm not saying a tier one for all wouldn't be awesome, but I do think even the best schools have their draw-backs and it's best to look towards individual needs and goals to determine the best placement for everyone.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: fmlaw on December 08, 2006, 09:03:41 AM
wow thats really good to know.. i'm sorry that happened to u, but thanks for telling us, i mean, at least i know i've repeatedly thought of the idea of going to a lower school for the money
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: smack on December 08, 2006, 09:10:58 AM
This is depressing...a 4th tier school in my community is very well respected.  I think thats true for a lot of 4th tier schools, that they are respected by the community, even if not a nationally recognized school.  Guess this only matters if you have roots.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 08, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
This is depressing...a 4th tier school in my community is very well respected.  I think thats true for a lot of 4th tier schools, that they are respected by the community, even if not a nationally recognized school.  Guess this only matters if you have roots.
No, the top 20% of your local tier 4 school is "well respected". And even those 20% will have to work their ass off to get noticed, and they will be lucky to have 1 job offer at graduation, unlike a tier 1 graduate who will have a list of firms to chose from.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 08, 2006, 09:13:07 AM
This is depressing...a 4th tier school in my community is very well respected.  I think thats true for a lot of 4th tier schools, that they are respected by the community, even if not a nationally recognized school.  Guess this only matters if you have roots.

i dunno.

if its the only school in your area, and you want to stay there, its prob a good deal.

UNLV for instance. 
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 08, 2006, 09:38:27 AM
I do have sympathy with your scenario, specially since I will probably not get in to a T1 myself ;) But honestly, what you are stating should be pretty much obvious to anyone who has actually researched this education before starting it. Yeah, a top school is going to cost you easily $100k or more extra, but the fact that your career choices will be so much more open and very likely so much better paying, it really should be a nobrainer unless your finances are completely screwed before going into law school.

Yeah, I tend to think that a lot of people don't realize or just refuse to believe how much of an uphill battle going to a lower ranked school can be. I know that was the case for me at least. In any case, I didn't post here for a pity party, I just thought that hearing about the difficulties of attending a t3 from somebody who has been through it might get the idea into some people's heads.

That being said, there are definitely some scenarios where taking the money is going to be worth it, but its a case by case thing.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 08, 2006, 09:41:03 AM
Sure, you're not actually getting any pity either, you do have a law degree and as difficult as it may be to get a job, that still puts you over at least 80% of the population, so not feeling too bad for you :) But yeah, the reality seems to be life at a tier3 school is more demanding than life at even the best schools. I also think employers are a bit too much into the 'great school' fetish, I refuse to believe that the 50th percentile on Columbia is better than the number 1 graduate at Cardozo as an example. But this is reality, and you can't pick an education by how you think the world should work.

Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 08, 2006, 09:56:12 AM
Sure, you're not actually getting any pity either, you do have a law degree and as difficult as it may be to get a job, that still puts you over at least 80% of the population, so not feeling too bad for you :) But yeah, the reality seems to be life at a tier3 school is more demanding than life at even the best schools. I also think employers are a bit too much into the 'great school' fetish, I refuse to believe that the 50th percentile on Columbia is better than the number 1 graduate at Cardozo as an example. But this is reality, and you can't pick an education by how you think the world should work.



Yeah, and I'm not really worried about the long-term, its just the next few years that are going to suck. I have a habit of digging myself into holes and then miraculously pulling myself out of them.

Also, I agree that the prestige thing is pretty ridiculous. I have good friends at t1 schools who couldn't hold a flame to the top 1% at my school. Ridiculous or not though, c'est la vie.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: AspenLizzy on December 10, 2006, 11:05:32 AM
Do you attribute your difficulties finding internships and job offers more to your 1L grades or your school?  I am also interested to know why your 1L grades were lower than you had hoped.

Thanks again for posting.  This seems like it could be a very valuable thread to a lot of LSD members.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 10, 2006, 12:50:06 PM
Do you attribute your difficulties finding internships and job offers more to your 1L grades or your school?  I am also interested to know why your 1L grades were lower than you had hoped.

Thanks again for posting.  This seems like it could be a very valuable thread to a lot of LSD members.

Well, I haven't had much trouble finding internships, just paying legal jobs.

That being said, I'm sure its a combination of the two. I can say with certainty that the school has had a large impact on my job opportunities because my troubles as of late are likely not that related to any other part of my resume since at this point I'm close to being in the top 1/3 of my class, have recieved two jurisprudence awards, have journal experience and a leadership position on an international moot court team on top of two practical, but non-paying, internships. While certainly not perfect, I tend to think that those credentials at a T1 school would make me very employable, yet I'm still having a tough time even getting my foot in the door.

As for why my 1L grades were lower than I expected, I think two things had more of an impact on that then anything else. First, the margin of error with regards to law school grades is just so small since you are competing on strict curve with very motivated and intelligent people on a single 3 hour exam. The worst grade I've gotten in law school happened to be on the easiest exam I have taken and was basically the result of me making a couple of simple mistakes because of fatigue. Second, it took some trial and error for me to learn how to take law school exams effectively and you simply don't get any feedback to work with until first semester grades are already in. Unfortunately, Success in law school is not always tied to how smart you are and how much effort you put in.

The best thing that you can do to overcome these obstacles is to take a lot of practice tests and compare them with sample answers and make sure that you are well rested and clear headed when you walk into the exam room. Reading really short commercial outlines over and over (crunchtime is my favorite) helps a lot too because it enables you to see the forest despite the trees, which is extremely important in approaching an open-ended hypo. Anyway, these three things are what helped me the most in turning my grades around.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 10, 2006, 01:02:46 PM
I think a lot of people in your positions (high numbers, full ride) go to the school with a mindset that "My numbers beat anyone here, this is going to be a cruise to the top 10%" and then soon enough find out that the people who had 156/3.5 aren't complete tools either. Not saying this applies to you, but talking to a few other full ride people, I have definitely got that impression. Just proving that what you scored on the LSAT doesn't necessarily say so much about your academic abilities.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 10, 2006, 01:14:29 PM
I think a lot of people in your positions (high numbers, full ride) go to the school with a mindset that "My numbers beat anyone here, this is going to be a cruise to the top 10%" and then soon enough find out that the people who had 156/3.5 aren't complete tools either. Not saying this applies to you, but talking to a few other full ride people, I have definitely got that impression. Just proving that what you scored on the LSAT doesn't necessarily say so much about your academic abilities.

To a certain extent this is definitely true. I doubt it had that great of an effect on my grades, however. To begin with, I was very aware of my own arrogance and sense of entitlement and tried to make sure that I didn't let it affect the way that I approached studying and preparing for finals. Plus, the fact that admissions numbers don't necessarily define a person's intelligence tends to become very clear in the law school classroom setting long before exam time thanks to the socratic method. Peronally, I think that the factors I mentioned in my previous post had a much greater impact on my grades than any sense of arrogance or entitlement that I might have had.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 10, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
Yeah, for sure. love your avatar btw :)
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: zzzz on December 11, 2006, 10:50:44 AM
how old are you, keno?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 11, 2006, 10:52:26 AM
27 and a half!  ;D
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 11, 2006, 10:59:26 AM
I turned down a full ride at a T2 for Michigan, and I haven't regretted it for a moment.  Not suggesting that this would be the right move for everyone, but I'm very confident that I made the right decision for me. 

And no, I'm not independently wealthy, and my parents aren't paying for any of this (I'm 30, for the love of god!) and I've already borrowed for two other degrees. 
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Brito on December 11, 2006, 11:06:30 AM
I turned down a full ride at a T2 for Michigan, and I haven't regretted it for a moment.  Not suggesting that this would be the right move for everyone, but I'm very confident that I made the right decision for me. 

And no, I'm not independently wealthy, and my parents aren't paying for any of this (I'm 30, for the love of god!) and I've already borrowed for two other degrees. 

You don't look 30 at all!
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 11, 2006, 11:59:31 AM
im thinking id be willing to give up some ranking for cheap/free tuition.

FSU and UF are looking better n better...
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ProfessorPlum on December 11, 2006, 05:09:32 PM
im thinking id be willing to give up some ranking for cheap/free tuition.

FSU and UF are looking better n better...

I might be in this position as well.  Theprocrastinator, which level T1 schools did you turn down for your full ride?  (Were they top 20, 30, etc.?)  Thank you for sharing your personal experience for those of us who are utterly uninformed and lost in making decisions like this.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: T44 on December 11, 2006, 05:14:40 PM
I took the money at a T4, lost the scholarship...needed a 3.0, ended up 2.94.  Wonderful things like a 90.7 were graded as a B+.  

T4s CANNOT honor all the scholarships they give out for all 3 years, its like a teaser rate.  I knew going in, but some poor saps didn't.  No worries if you want to work within 100 miles of your school...and don't mind basing your practice out of a mall suite next to 'Red Robin.'

Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 11, 2006, 05:31:47 PM
I turned down a straight up acceptance at a T30 and a 50% scholarship at a T50. If I could do it all over again I would probably go with the latter.

I don't tend to think that taking money over rank is always going to be the right decision, but in extreme cases (such as mine) it just doesn't seem to make that much sense.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprocrastinator on December 11, 2006, 05:35:41 PM
I took the money at a T4, lost the scholarship...needed a 3.0, ended up 2.94.  Wonderful things like a 90.7 were graded as a B+. 

T4s CANNOT honor all the scholarships they give out for all 3 years, its like a teaser rate.  I knew going in, but some poor saps didn't.  No worries if you want to work within 100 miles of your school...and don't mind basing your practice out of a mall suite next to 'Red Robin.'



I second the part about schools not honoring all of their scholarships. Some schools will put a large majority of their scholarship students in the same section, making it basically mathematically impossible for all of the students to maintain their scholarships even if the gpa required to do so appears to be low at a quick glance. Be aware of that as well.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 11, 2006, 05:41:26 PM
Easiest way for a school to get high attendance, offer 70% of the students a scholarship that requires you to be top 30% to maintain. Perfect logic, and don't think for a second they'll tell you about it.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: T44 on December 11, 2006, 05:49:38 PM
I'm grateful for the free year, I liked my school.  However, I did enjoy telling the dean I was leaving because of the unethical running of their scholarship program.  He tried to act surprised...but the truth was they had trapped enough students 140/180 to make me expendable.  30 of us could leave 10-20 could flunk out... it was all a part of their original plan.  They used our numbers and undergrad stuff for their mailers to next years class and pretend we were never there.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: T44 on December 11, 2006, 06:02:44 PM
Oh, I'm sorry if this gets a little preachy but, I always hear the "take the money" argument when people are planning to go into public interest.  It makes sense to keep your debt low when your future is a low paying job.  However, what is faulty logic is that kids from high ranked schools don't go after those same PI jobs. 

The only time taking the money over far higher rank really makes sense is if you love the program and its region or can't attend anywhere else because of personal reasons.  In the long run almost all other theories fail.  The doors opened by a top 100 degree will balance out what you borrowed in loans over the life of your career...especially if you plan to practice over 30 years or more.  Where it gets interesting to me are people with full rides to somewhere like Northwestern v. no money at a program like Stanford.  Wish it were me!
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 11, 2006, 06:07:21 PM
Yeah, that's a good point. There's plenty of Yale and Harvard kids going for PI jobs as well, not to mention NYU who hits that job market pretty hard.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: rdlnl11 on December 12, 2006, 06:00:29 PM
the "scholarship scheme" was something that I had never thought about, but it makes perfect sense.. wow

thanks guys, very informative
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ktk on December 12, 2006, 10:20:08 PM
I got a full tuition from Wake Forest plus a chance at a substantial stipend that requires no work as well as fees/living expenses paid.  Pretty stellar, but I'm not sure if I should take WFU ranked #39 over say a GWU that I will almost certainly get into but with a less gracious package.  Any thoughts on that scenario?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: T44 on December 12, 2006, 10:32:44 PM
I got a full tuition from Wake Forest plus a chance at a substantial stipend that requires no work as well as fees/living expenses paid.  Pretty stellar, but I'm not sure if I should take WFU ranked #39 over say a GWU that I will almost certainly get into but with a less gracious package.  Any thoughts on that scenario?

Great dilemma to have!  This stuff really depends on you.  I'm sure you'll do your homework on Wake job prospects after graduation and just compare it to the market in which you'd like to start out after graduation... If the money is guaranteed at Wake, it would be hard to turn down for anything other than a T-14 or another program that you feel better serves your needs.

I look at your list and take the money if Penn/NYU/CLS/Georgetown don't love ya. GWU is more of a coin flip for me...

Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 13, 2006, 04:35:58 AM
I got a full tuition from Wake Forest plus a chance at a substantial stipend that requires no work as well as fees/living expenses paid.  Pretty stellar, but I'm not sure if I should take WFU ranked #39 over say a GWU that I will almost certainly get into but with a less gracious package.  Any thoughts on that scenario?

Well, you have the choice between two schools where neither one will lead to kill self and despair, Wake Forest is a pretty decent school, by all means. Personally, as I've made pretty clear, I would pick the highest ranking school no matter what - and that is from a neutral perspective, not related to any individual financial status. And GWU is a damn good school.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Kencade on December 13, 2006, 07:12:13 AM
I wouldn't reccomend it in most circumstances. It may sound cliche, but if you get into a top school, go for it. I'll be graduating from a t3 in May, and as of right now I honestly feel that my decision to take the full ride here over the t1s that accepted me is the worst decision I've ever made.

wow interesting.  could you elaborate on you said?  why you feel regret now?

Reasons I regret my decision:

1) I ended up paying full tuition during 2L anyway because I got a 2.9 during 1L. Just because your numbers are better than everybody else at your school does not mean that you will do better than them.

2) I still have yet to work a paying legal job. I worked an unpaid internship last summer, volunteered at legal aid last spring, and got stuck working in a book store the summer after 1L.

3) I am almost positive that I will not get a job until I pass the bar. The stress is killing me.

4) I'm originally from the D.C. area and am going to move back there, but this means that I will likely spend the first years of my career floating between temporary document review jobs not knowing where my paycheck will come from the next month while working for pompous young associates who went to schools I could have gotten into but probably didn't have to work as hard as I did during law school because they had their position at the firm lined up before the end of the first semester of 2L.

5) None of the firms that I want to work for will even give me an interview. I'm not just talking about big law firms. Actually, I haven't sent a single resume to a big law firm.

7) A good childhood friend of mine is a 2L at a t1 that I got into and he will be making $2500 per week this summer trying out different practice areas to see what he likes while I become desparate and start looking for a job with an insurance defense firm.

8 I simply don't have a fraction of the options that I would had I gone to the top school that I got into.


....I could probably think of more, but there's a start.


Thanks for the perspective, this is extremely helpful to me as I will likely be wrestling with a similar decision. 
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: m1 on December 17, 2006, 09:22:36 AM
i'm in the same boat as ktk...full ride to wake forest with the possibility of books and stipend.  what if I get into a BC/BU type of school or, as ktk said, GW?  GAH...money actually makes the decision harder, not easier
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 17, 2006, 09:50:05 AM
i'm in the same boat as ktk...full ride to wake forest with the possibility of books and stipend.  what if I get into a BC/BU type of school or, as ktk said, GW?  GAH...money actually makes the decision harder, not easier

Yeah, damn those lucky Cooley students.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprofessor on December 18, 2006, 01:50:57 PM
Full ride at Miami. 3.5/174. I have a few years of interesting work experience and a MA...perhaps those were factors...the letter didn't indicate what specifically the scholarship is based on. That said, I'm excited :)
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 18, 2006, 01:51:56 PM
Full ride at Miami. 3.5/174. I have a few years of interesting work experience and a MA...perhaps those were factors...the letter didn't indicate what specifically the scholarship is based on. That said, I'm excited :)

i would be too.

is it just tuition or includes some living expenses?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: theprofessor on December 18, 2006, 02:05:15 PM
Full ride at Miami. 3.5/174. I have a few years of interesting work experience and a MA...perhaps those were factors...the letter didn't indicate what specifically the scholarship is based on. That said, I'm excited :)

i would be too.

is it just tuition or includes some living expenses?

Just tuition, it seems. 102k is the estimated value. The letter says that I am eligible for another scholarship (requires an interview if invited) that includes a stipend and the cost of a summer abroad program...I won't find out about that until Feb, but it sounds incredible.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 18, 2006, 02:07:03 PM
Full ride at Miami. 3.5/174. I have a few years of interesting work experience and a MA...perhaps those were factors...the letter didn't indicate what specifically the scholarship is based on. That said, I'm excited :)

i would be too.

is it just tuition or includes some living expenses?

Just tuition, it seems. 102k is the estimated value. The letter says that I am eligible for another scholarship (requires an interview if invited) that includes a stipend and the cost of a summer abroad program...I won't find out about that until Feb, but it sounds incredible.

no joke, that would be sweet!

i think id love to go to miami, but when you consider the tuition AND the COL, ouch!
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 18, 2006, 05:19:45 PM
I like Miami, Florida Int is quite tempting.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on December 18, 2006, 05:57:05 PM
I like Miami, Florida Int is quite tempting.

go to UM b4 FIU
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 18, 2006, 06:01:03 PM
Nah, cant be arsed to make another app.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: thelawfool on December 20, 2006, 01:05:18 AM
if you do get into FIU, let me know if you have any questions about the campus, student life, professors, etc.  good luck with your decision.  the debate between miami and FIU, for in-staters at least,  will get tougher and tougher over the next 5-10 years.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: RUMike on December 21, 2006, 05:22:52 PM
Full rides at Widener and Drexel, 12/21
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Towelie on December 21, 2006, 05:31:27 PM
Full rides at Widener and Drexel, 12/21

Congrats! But public ivy, I think not - and I'm a New Jersey resident! The Ivy League is a sports conference and by denoting anything else as "Ivy" it doesn't really make much sense. Still, there is no way Rutgers could be considered a public Ivy even if public ivies did exist, no matter what a website has to say about it. Anyways, that was my rant - congrats!
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: RUMike on December 22, 2006, 11:32:00 AM
Full rides at Widener and Drexel, 12/21

Congrats! But public ivy, I think not - and I'm a New Jersey resident! The Ivy League is a sports conference and by denoting anything else as "Ivy" it doesn't really make much sense. Still, there is no way Rutgers could be considered a public Ivy even if public ivies did exist, no matter what a website has to say about it. Anyways, that was my rant - congrats!

Precisely the problem. The one place where Rutgers suffers, albeit somewhat bizzarely, is in lay prestige in New Jersey. If you talk to someone from out of state, they have a much higher opinion of it. New Jersey firms and corporations, and to a good extent NYC ones (hell, how many schools have had the Empire State building lit up for them), really respect Rutgers. This also goes for Philly, FL, and Cali. And grad schools too- RU is a top feeder school for Fordham and sent a lot grads to t14s last year.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Towelie on December 22, 2006, 12:26:38 PM
Full rides at Widener and Drexel, 12/21

Congrats! But public ivy, I think not - and I'm a New Jersey resident! The Ivy League is a sports conference and by denoting anything else as "Ivy" it doesn't really make much sense. Still, there is no way Rutgers could be considered a public Ivy even if public ivies did exist, no matter what a website has to say about it. Anyways, that was my rant - congrats!

Precisely the problem. The one place where Rutgers suffers, albeit somewhat bizzarely, is in lay prestige in New Jersey. If you talk to someone from out of state, they have a much higher opinion of it. New Jersey firms and corporations, and to a good extent NYC ones (hell, how many schools have had the Empire State building lit up for them), really respect Rutgers. This also goes for Philly, FL, and Cali. And grad schools too- RU is a top feeder school for Fordham and sent a lot grads to t14s last year.

I don't think being a top feeder school for Fordham qualifies one to be a public Ivy, though. Like I said, I don't think public ivies actually exist, but, if they did, I would think they would only include schools like Cal, UMich, UVa, etc. Anyways, congrats on your full-ride! Drexel Law is only a few blocks away from Penn Law (I think?) so if you have any questions on the area the school is located in let me know
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: RUMike on December 23, 2006, 02:19:35 PM
I see what you mean, I suppose.

Anyway, free ride at Hofstra too, 12/23
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: AspenLizzy on December 24, 2006, 09:06:15 AM
I think we need an area of the board dedicated to this "public ivy" debate.  I remember a Fordham alumn telling me when I was admitted to undergrad that Fordham was a "New York ivy"  This makes a hell of a lot of sense when you consider how close it is to Columbia and NYU.  I think his argument may have been greatness by proximity. :D
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: orangie on December 24, 2006, 09:17:50 AM
I think we need an area of the board dedicated to this "public ivy" debate.  I remember a Fordham alumn telling me when I was admitted to undergrad that Fordham was a "New York ivy"  This makes a hell of a lot of sense when you consider how close it is to Columbia and NYU.  I think his argument may have been greatness by proximity. :D

Why did you include NYU?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: AspenLizzy on December 24, 2006, 11:00:27 AM
Because if anything is a "New York ivy"... other than the actual New York ivy, that is.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Towelie on December 24, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Except there are only 8 ivy schools. I know, I know it has a place in our culture as standing for academically elite, but imagine if someone called, say UMaryland a "east coast PAC-10." Doesn't that sound crazy? That's what I think when people throw out terms like "public ivy" and "new york ivy."
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: orangie on December 24, 2006, 12:27:41 PM
Because if anything is a "New York ivy"... other than the actual New York ivy, that is.

Are you saying that NYU is close to being the NY ivy? Or Fordham?  Because NYU is not ivy league, unless you using a different definition of ivy league (the standard one includes Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and U of Pennsylvania).

Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: RUMike on December 24, 2006, 02:22:22 PM
Public Ivy, in my opinion has less to do with conferences and more to do with quality of education.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: AspenLizzy on December 27, 2006, 09:40:31 PM
No. Ivy league is a fixed term.  I only thought it was funny anyone would think Fordham was anything other than Fordham.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Towelie on December 28, 2006, 10:26:48 AM
No. Ivy league is a fixed term.  I only thought it was funny anyone would think Fordham was anything other than Fordham.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Penelope on December 28, 2006, 10:50:02 AM
(the standard one consists exclusively of Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, and U of Pennsylvania).

TITCR
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Reach on December 30, 2006, 09:28:11 AM
Loyola New Orleans...I think it just came down to numbers since someone the year before me who was not an URM (at least by the LSN profile) with identical numbers also got a full ride.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on December 31, 2006, 07:50:22 AM
No. Ivy league is a fixed term.  I only thought it was funny anyone would think Fordham was anything other than Fordham.

Fordham is a good school, no question about that, but brand naming schools "public Ivy" makes no sense at all. Ivy league is what it is, trying to shanghai the name to make other schools sound good is just silly.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: andyroberts on January 05, 2007, 08:40:03 PM
I believe I'm going to attend a school deemed New York Ivy, whilst I eat off my finest authentic Arkansas china.  MMMMMM.

If I don't get a full ride, I'll have to walk the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: whoneedsanABA on January 18, 2007, 02:30:56 AM
BUMP...a must read (besides all that "ivy _____" nonsense).

Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: vap on January 18, 2007, 03:07:43 PM
Another Texas Tech here. I think their scholarships are largely numbers-oriented (based on LSN review).
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ananse on January 18, 2007, 04:30:36 PM
tag
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: zephyr on January 18, 2007, 04:46:36 PM
I think Public Ivy is legit...it has its own Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Ivy
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on January 19, 2007, 09:35:31 AM
I received a full ride, plus $300 for books each semester at Texas Tech.  162/3.6.

I haven't done anything particularly special.  I would assume it's just from my numbers.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: smack on January 19, 2007, 11:43:26 AM
I received a full ride, plus $300 for books each semester at Texas Tech.  162/3.6.

I haven't done anything particularly special.  I would assume it's just from my numbers.

I received 10K per year from Tech...almost a full ride.  Very tempting, especially with my mediocre numbers.  Are you considering Tech KCGF?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: kirkcameronsgf on January 19, 2007, 11:56:39 AM
I received a full ride, plus $300 for books each semester at Texas Tech.  162/3.6.

I haven't done anything particularly special.  I would assume it's just from my numbers.

I received 10K per year from Tech...almost a full ride.  Very tempting, especially with my mediocre numbers.  Are you considering Tech KCGF?

To be honest, not really.  But with that much money, it's hard to say no.  I'm going to try to go up there in February sometime and check it out, just in case.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: molaw on February 01, 2007, 10:38:24 AM
My #s are 164/3.69 and I've received:

Full-ride at Michigan State, requires maintaining a 3.0 GPA and a spot in King Scholars Program which requires maintaining a 3.5 GPA.

$25k/year at Ave Maria, requires maintaining a 3.0 GPA and they want me to come in to interview for a full-ride.

Dean's Scholarship at UofD Mercy, which is about 55-60% tuition, requires maintaining 3.0 GPA.


Does anyone know if any of these schools are likely to be running "scholarship scams" making it difficult to keep the scholarship over 3 years?  Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: Root Hog on February 01, 2007, 06:33:51 PM
165 (159, 172, 167) / 3.96

Full ride:

UALR (guaranteed for all three years)

U of Arkansas (top 50% for renewal)

University of Colorado (3.0 GPA)

Unless finances make it necessary (bad credit), I can't pick these over others I've been accepted to.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: SugarJ on February 10, 2007, 04:13:09 PM
Free ride at St. John's.

Scholarships at a few other places to date.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: dashrashi on February 10, 2007, 08:20:51 PM
Full ride from Temple. Just tuition--no housing or stipend, I don't think, but hey, who needs money for housing when I can just go home and live with my parents again?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: molaw on February 11, 2007, 07:29:22 PM
My #s are 164/3.69 and I've received:

Full-ride at Michigan State, requires maintaining a 3.0 GPA and a spot in King Scholars Program which requires maintaining a 3.5 GPA.

$25k/year at Ave Maria, requires maintaining a 3.0 GPA and they want me to come in to interview for a full-ride.

Dean's Scholarship at UofD Mercy, which is about 55-60% tuition, requires maintaining 3.0 GPA.


Does anyone know if any of these schools are likely to be running "scholarship scams" making it difficult to keep the scholarship over 3 years?  Thanks for any help.

Just got notification of a full-ride at Wayne State.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ajlrf03 on February 13, 2007, 05:42:46 PM
Full Rides at:

Alabama
Hofstra
St. Thomas MN

165/3.4
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ImpactPlayer on February 13, 2007, 05:58:25 PM
Full ride at Baylor

165/3.94

Not that special since Baylor seems to give out full rides like candy.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: SugarJ on February 13, 2007, 06:13:51 PM
Full ride from Temple. Just tuition--no housing or stipend, I don't think, but hey, who needs money for housing when I can just go home and live with my parents again?

I would rather stick my head in a socket
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: MorningStar on February 13, 2007, 06:16:19 PM
Yes! Go Washburn! Pirate College FTW.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: dashrashi on February 13, 2007, 08:04:47 PM
Full ride from Temple. Just tuition--no housing or stipend, I don't think, but hey, who needs money for housing when I can just go home and live with my parents again?

I would rather stick my head in a socket

I concur. Although they do have tivo. And my dog. Nevertheless...
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on May 14, 2007, 12:14:03 PM
bump for those that have gotten their results and made their decisions...
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: orangie on May 15, 2007, 10:08:37 AM
Got a full ride + 5K stipend at Cardozo a month after I withdrew.  It's tied to a gpa though.  Not going there anyway. 
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on May 15, 2007, 11:24:34 AM
Where will you be going orangie?
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: orangie on May 15, 2007, 08:28:02 PM
Where will you be going orangie?

Georgetown, most likely.  But nothing is certain :-\
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ě on May 16, 2007, 05:42:21 AM
I see, Georgetown seems really nice I'm sure that'd work out fine too.
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: chucky on May 29, 2007, 12:09:25 AM
Thanks for opening my eyes...the full ride scholarship scam makes sense. Honestly this thread and the stories in it completely changed my opinion on this isssue. Thanx

(Note: if you received a great scholarship to low ranking school, make sure you take the 10 or 15 minutes and read this whole thread...trust me it is worth it and it could save you alot of heart ache)
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on September 28, 2007, 09:25:09 AM
bump

who got one this yr?

where?

what kinda numbers/special circumstances?

 :)
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: kmac128 on November 27, 2007, 11:52:18 AM
posted this somewhere else but then i saw this thread:

Just accepted to St. Thomas in Minnesota.  Kind of a low safety, but hey, its my first acceptance of the cycle and it came of with a full ride offer so I thought id post it

oh, and i know some ppl track this:  large white envelope with 3 or 4 letters from various deans with little notes at the bottom.  scholarship letters were in same package.

money is dep only on keeping a 2.0
Title: Re: Full ride
Post by: ->Soon on November 27, 2007, 12:15:59 PM
posted this somewhere else but then i saw this thread:

Just accepted to St. Thomas in Minnesota.  Kind of a low safety, but hey, its my first acceptance of the cycle and it came of with a full ride offer so I thought id post it

oh, and i know some ppl track this:  large white envelope with 3 or 4 letters from various deans with little notes at the bottom.  scholarship letters were in same package.

money is dep only on keeping a 2.0


wooo, that sounds good!