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Specific Groups => Canadian Law Students => Topic started by: Geo_Storm on August 23, 2006, 10:24:56 PM

Title: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Geo_Storm on August 23, 2006, 10:24:56 PM
Do American adcomms know the Quebec education system well? Because with CEGEP I'm afraid that it looks like I attended a community college before going to university.
And then had to take 7 semesters to get my bachelor's in engineering from McGill where it actually is a 7 semester program. That's not a huge problem because I took full course load every semester.

But should I provide a addendum for my CEGEP studies? Should I put it on faith that they'll know what it is. My grades from CEGEP were pretty high (89.5%) but it was also much easier.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: RainbowBrite on August 24, 2006, 11:28:25 AM
I wouldn't assume that they know. Call up the schools you are applying to and see how familiar they are with that system. If you find that they have no clue what you are talking about then I think it would merit a quick addendum just to explain what it is about.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: gillesthegreat on August 24, 2006, 12:37:31 PM
You might want to insert a quick sentence in there both about what CEGEP is and about the 7-semester thing. If you're lucky, they will have heard of Marianopolis. I would however wager a considerable sum that they've never heard of Dawson or Vanier.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: FossilJ on August 24, 2006, 02:47:41 PM
Damn that Quebec!   :D
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Geo_Storm on August 24, 2006, 06:19:48 PM
You might want to insert a quick sentence in there both about what CEGEP is and about the 7-semester thing. If you're lucky, they will have heard of Marianopolis. I would however wager a considerable sum that they've never heard of Dawson or Vanier.

Or John Abbott College, or as my friends like to call it, John Abbott Country Club.
Anyways thanks for the advice. I'll definitely call them up next week.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: bobotheclown on August 25, 2006, 03:43:12 PM
You might want to insert a quick sentence in there both about what CEGEP is and about the 7-semester thing. If you're lucky, they will have heard of Marianopolis. I would however wager a considerable sum that they've never heard of Dawson or Vanier.

You've got to be kidding if you think they've heard of any of those three Cegeps.

I'd ask a counselor at McGill who has some experience with people applying to grad school in the States. Honestly, I don't think cegep even merits a spot on your CV.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: gillesthegreat on August 25, 2006, 04:02:53 PM
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You've got to be kidding if you think they've heard of any of those three Cegeps.

Reads like you should take a second look at the post ...

And incidentally, most apps will ask about your high school. You kinda sorta have to put it there.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Geo_Storm on August 25, 2006, 11:40:13 PM
Thanks again for the advice.
aND I definitely have to put it there. I sent LSAC my transcript from CEGEP so the law schools are definitely going to see it. As well, it's listed as one of the post-secondary schools on LSDAS so...
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: bobotheclown on August 27, 2006, 10:50:41 AM
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You've got to be kidding if you think they've heard of any of those three Cegeps.

Reads like you should take a second look at the post ...

And incidentally, most apps will ask about your high school. You kinda sorta have to put it there.

Cegep isn't high school.

Like I said, ask a counselor.

Gilles, I was commenting on your comment about schools having heard of Marianopolis.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Michael1985 on September 11, 2006, 12:18:14 PM
I just got royally screwed by LSAC concerning my CEGEP marks. Because both cegeps I attended give number grades (Cegep de la Gaspesie and Dawson College) they used the LSAC GPA conversion scale. I should have a 3.43 GPA with my University marks as well but instead have a 3.06 which puts me out of the running for any good law school pretty much. And by the way, according to them an 89.5% from Dawson would only translate to a 3.0 GPA.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: gillesthegreat on September 11, 2006, 03:43:14 PM
LSAC has no business considering your CEGEP grades. The GPA they care about is the undergrad alone, not the High school grades (CEGEP is considered High school).

Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Geo_Storm on September 11, 2006, 04:48:07 PM
CEGEP is post-secondary education. 29 of the credits towards my undergrad degree came from CEGEP so it makes sense to consider them. Plus, it's kind of unfair not to count the high grades I get in Chem 101 and Physics 101 and Calculus 1 and 2 when all the American students get them counted towards their GPA. At any rate, my 89.5 at Marianopolis became a 3.54. I wonder it takes to get a 4.0 then.  ???
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: gillesthegreat on September 11, 2006, 04:57:23 PM
It's post-secondary, but it's not undergraduate. I didn't send that crap to LSAC, and no one ever asked. Then again, my grades did suck hard.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Geo_Storm on September 11, 2006, 05:24:06 PM
It's post-secondary, but it's not undergraduate. I didn't send that crap to LSAC, and no one ever asked. Then again, my grades did suck hard.

I don't think you're the only one. A lot of people have some pretty awful grades in CEGEP. But seems like my grades helped my LSAC GPA so no complaints.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Geo_Storm on September 13, 2006, 01:26:12 PM
I just got royally screwed by LSAC concerning my CEGEP marks. Because both cegeps I attended give number grades (Cegep de la Gaspesie and Dawson College) they used the LSAC GPA conversion scale. I should have a 3.43 GPA with my University marks as well but instead have a 3.06 which puts me out of the running for any good law school pretty much. And by the way, according to them an 89.5% from Dawson would only translate to a 3.0 GPA.

After today, there's no way no one in North America has not heard of Dawson College or has not been exposed to what a CEGEP is. Unfortunately... I walked by that block earlier today, it was scary.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: gillesthegreat on September 13, 2006, 01:27:19 PM
SRC (CBC in french) mentions the 4 most important school shootings in Canada: 3 of them were in Montreal. What's wrong with my city?
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: FossilJ on September 13, 2006, 02:34:23 PM
I just got royally screwed by LSAC concerning my CEGEP marks. Because both cegeps I attended give number grades (Cegep de la Gaspesie and Dawson College) they used the LSAC GPA conversion scale. I should have a 3.43 GPA with my University marks as well but instead have a 3.06 which puts me out of the running for any good law school pretty much. And by the way, according to them an 89.5% from Dawson would only translate to a 3.0 GPA.

After today, there's no way no one in North America has not heard of Dawson College or has not been exposed to what a CEGEP is. Unfortunately... I walked by that block earlier today, it was scary.

Jesus, I was thinking exactly the same thing when I heard about it this afternoon.  And then I was like, "How did I know Dawson College is a CEGEp?"  And then I remembered this thread.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: Geo_Storm on September 13, 2006, 04:25:45 PM
I just got royally screwed by LSAC concerning my CEGEP marks. Because both cegeps I attended give number grades (Cegep de la Gaspesie and Dawson College) they used the LSAC GPA conversion scale. I should have a 3.43 GPA with my University marks as well but instead have a 3.06 which puts me out of the running for any good law school pretty much. And by the way, according to them an 89.5% from Dawson would only translate to a 3.0 GPA.

After today, there's no way no one in North America has not heard of Dawson College or has not been exposed to what a CEGEP is. Unfortunately... I walked by that block earlier today, it was scary.

Jesus, I was thinking exactly the same thing when I heard about it this afternoon.  And then I was like, "How did I know Dawson College is a CEGEp?"  And then I remembered this thread.


Not good, i dont want to go to school tomorrow.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: gillesthegreat on September 13, 2006, 04:44:55 PM
Hey ... I had to go to class the day after Polytechnique, and we were less than half a mile away from the events. Suck it up.
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: MorningStar on September 25, 2006, 09:31:22 AM
Hey Gilles,
I too have bad Cegep grades and would love to not have to submit my Cegep transcripts.  This didn't cause you any problems with U.S schools?

Also do you have any experience with OLSAS (ontario law schools)?  Is it possible to just not submit your CEGEP grades to OLSAS and move forward with Ontario applications.  It's bad enough that according to OLSAS and my schools grading scale A+ becomes 4.0 and A becomes 3.7.  Why not make A+ 4.0 and leave A a 4.0, most of my teachers state openly they never under any circumstances give an A+. bah!
Title: Re: addendum to explain CEGEp
Post by: gillesthegreat on September 25, 2006, 01:03:51 PM
I just didn't sent any Cegep grades. No one asked, LSAC or schools. However, I did have 5 years of undergrad (instead of just 3), as well as 6 of grad. That might have signified the complete irrelevance of what I did in Cegep to them. In any case, I would not volunteer them and would just submit what is asked for: undergraduate grades. Cegep is not college or university.

As for Ontario schools, I have no clue. Best of luck.