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Specific Groups => Canadian Law Students => Topic started by: 1980 on August 03, 2006, 02:50:09 PM

Title: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: 1980 on August 03, 2006, 02:50:09 PM
Whats the average?

How does it compare to Lawyers in the U.S.?
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Doraemon on August 03, 2006, 05:37:56 PM
Whats the average?

How does it compare to Lawyers in the U.S.?

Low.

Poorly.

See postings here: http://www.lawbuzz.ca/

However, one redeeming quality of Canadian schools is that practicing law with US degree in Canada is tricky, whereas the converse is true for practicing law with Canadian degree in US.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: RainbowBrite on August 04, 2006, 12:49:03 PM
I wouldn't necessarily say that it's not tricky to practice in the US with a Canadian degree. There are only 2 states that take the Canadian degree as equivalent (MA and NY). Otherwise you have to be admitted to another states bar before you can practice (ie for California). I believe that for NY you often still have to take further courses at a US law school, and many states require that you pretty much get an LLM before you can practice there. To get an LLM you need to have already been practicing for a number of years in Canada, then you have to apply, hope you get in, and hope you can afford the 60 grand or so (in US $) that it will cost you to attend (schools typically do not have fin aid for LLMs).

As for the starting salary of Canadian lawyers, I believe the average is $60 000, but that is after articling. At least this is what the banks go on for giving you loans.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: farouk on August 04, 2006, 02:01:43 PM
"I believe that for NY you often still have to take further courses at a US law school"

Not with a Canadian LLB.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: FossilJ on August 05, 2006, 12:11:50 AM
If you're going from Canada to NY or MA, then you're set with your degree.  If you want to go anywhere else, it's about just as much a pain in the ass to go from Canada to the US as it is to go from the US to Canada.

I'm sticking to the US because

A) the weather is nicer,
B) the starting salaries are higher,
C) the salaries rise much quicker,

and

D) at least here, I can support a Stanley Cup winner as my home town. 


/removes bitter Oilers cap
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Boughetto on August 15, 2006, 08:05:19 PM
I believe that for NY you often still have to take further courses at a US law school, and many states require that you pretty much get an LLM before you can practice there. To get an LLM you need to have already been practicing for a number of years in Canada, then you have to apply, hope you get in, and hope you can afford the 60 grand or so (in US $) that it will cost you to attend (schools typically do not have fin aid for LLMs).

not true at all
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Geo_Storm on August 19, 2006, 12:41:17 AM
As a habs fan, going to Boston is tricky. I hate the Bruins, and don't want to become a red Sox supporter. Guess I'll just have to support my college team religiously.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: gillesthegreat on August 19, 2006, 12:49:40 AM
Habs fan? Ain't that on the endangered species list?
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: FossilJ on August 19, 2006, 01:01:01 AM
After Chokefest 2006 (aka The 4 Levels of Caning), I think most of that species has died off.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Geo_Storm on August 19, 2006, 06:53:51 PM
After Chokefest 2006 (aka The 4 Levels of Caning), I think most of that species has died off.


If by Caning you mean high-sticking our captain and taking his eye out.

Anyways, I'm sure Canadian Lawyers make more than enough money to live nicely.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Temporary Relief Assistant Trailer Park Supervisor on August 27, 2006, 12:38:15 PM
I believe BigLaw base salaries in Canada are something like this:
Toronto- 88-95k
Calgary- 70-85k
Vancouver- 70-80k
Ottawa- 60-72k
Montreal- ??
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: gillesthegreat on August 30, 2006, 04:05:43 AM
It would ne nice to quote a source for these numbers. Or is it just rumor? And the rumors I've heard about salaries for U de M grads are not flattering.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Temporary Relief Assistant Trailer Park Supervisor on September 01, 2006, 04:38:15 PM
These were only estimates, for first year associate salary(after articling).  Check around lawbuzz.ca.  I'm pretty sure those numbers a accurate to within a couple thousand, I forgot what the Sister firms in Toronto are paying now, but its either right around 90 or right around 100.  Stikeman and Farris both start around 80 in Vancouver.  I believe BLG started at 67 in Ottawa 2 years ago.  The Calgary range might be slightly off, but its basically a little lower than TO and a little higher than Vancouver.  Ottawa and Vancouver are the worst deals in terms of salary, especially considering COL.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: TheCanadian on September 15, 2006, 01:49:16 AM
Is anyone planning on taking a dual llb/jd proram, like the one offered at U of T?
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Geo_Storm on September 15, 2006, 08:45:52 AM
I thought Osgoode was the only one that offered LLB/JD. U of Toronto only offers JD because they require more undergraduate studies before admitting to law school although most students have an undergraduate degree to begin with.

Anyways, the Osgoode LLB/JD is with NYU. But you need to be admitted to both Osgoode and NYU. And if you can get into NYU, well, as a Canadian, I don't think you'd go to Osgoode then. The benefit I can see is that you can attend NYU for one year while paying Osgoode Tuition. Not sure how your JD compares to other JDs from ABA approved schools.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: TheCanadian on September 15, 2006, 10:00:13 AM
oh interesting...my academic advisor is a flaming idiot then...
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: gillesthegreat on September 15, 2006, 12:54:28 PM
I received some flyers from Michigan State offering a JD in conjunction with U of Ottawa (I believe). So Osgoode-NYU would not be the only one.

Edit: found the link
http://www.law.msu.edu/academics/ac-multi-llb.html
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: pikey on September 15, 2006, 01:45:39 PM
I received some flyers from Michigan State offering a JD in conjunction with U of Ottawa (I believe). So Osgoode-NYU would not be the only one.

Edit: found the link
http://www.law.msu.edu/academics/ac-multi-llb.html

Ottawa also offers the same joint program with American University. 
University of Windsor and University of Detroit Mercy also have a program where you attend both concurrently and get a JD and an LLB in just 3 years. 
Columbia offers a 4 year JD/LLB with the University of London, but I'm not sure if you'd be able to practice in Canada with a British LLB or how you'd do it.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: FossilJ on September 15, 2006, 02:48:11 PM
Yeah, you can.  I'm not quite sure how it works, but it's not too much extra work, except for the fact that you'd have to write the local bar exams and wait to be called to the bar.
Title: Re: Salary of Canadian Lawyers?
Post by: Temporary Relief Assistant Trailer Park Supervisor on September 15, 2006, 03:12:06 PM
I thought Osgoode was the only one that offered LLB/JD. U of Toronto only offers JD because they require more undergraduate studies before admitting to law school although most students have an undergraduate degree to begin with.

Anyways, the Osgoode LLB/JD is with NYU. But you need to be admitted to both Osgoode and NYU. And if you can get into NYU, well, as a Canadian, I don't think you'd go to Osgoode then. The benefit I can see is that you can attend NYU for one year while paying Osgoode Tuition. Not sure how your JD compares to other JDs from ABA approved schools.

The degree from U of T is the exact same as a LLB, and is not an ABA-approved JD.  They voted to change the name a few years back, and other schools in Canada seem to be considering doing the same thing.  A U of T JD does not provide the same oppurtunities as an American JD, but will allow you to sit for the bar in MA and NY, just like the LLB does.  As for joint-degree programs, there is Ottawa-American, Ottawa-MSU, Osgoode-NYU (must be admitted seperately by both schools), and Windsor-Detroit Mercy.