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Law Students => Incoming 1Ls => Topic started by: fainana on July 19, 2006, 12:56:37 AM

Title: LEEWS
Post by: fainana on July 19, 2006, 12:56:37 AM
Who's doing LEEWS, what do you think about it, and do you know anyone else who's done it? If you're generally a pretty strong writer, will LEEWS teach you something new? I'm trying to decide whether to buy the program, and would love some advice...
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: mcleod13 on July 19, 2006, 03:59:49 AM
I have been using LEEWS and it discusses more than just writing well for an exam. It discuss how to disect the test. It also teaches you how to write your answers. I have been told by a couple people that writing well on an exam isn't going to get you anywhere if you can't break down the test.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: WhirlsAway on July 19, 2006, 07:18:33 AM
When's the best time to do the program?
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 19, 2006, 07:21:47 AM
I'm doing LEEWS on CD a week before LS starts and then probably a refresher before exams.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: imago on July 19, 2006, 11:06:32 AM
Who's doing LEEWS, what do you think about it, and do you know anyone else who's done it? If you're generally a pretty strong writer, will LEEWS teach you something new? I'm trying to decide whether to buy the program, and would love some advice...

I bought LEEWS a few weeks back and I plan to do it the week before orientation, revisiting it as necessary.  I consider myself a strong writer, but from what I understand, legal writing / exam writing is completely different beast.

One of the testimonials on the LEEWS website (the guy from the University of Georgia who says it took him from "a sense of bewilderment to one of mastery") is from a high school friend of mine.  He's a very bright guy and I respect his opinion.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: Lionel Hutz on July 19, 2006, 11:43:21 AM
Who's doing LEEWS, what do you think about it, and do you know anyone else who's done it? If you're generally a pretty strong writer, will LEEWS teach you something new? I'm trying to decide whether to buy the program, and would love some advice...

By all accounts, you will still have a lot to learn, no matter how good a writer you already are.

LEEWS is pretty much universally lauded, so it's a no brainer to me...what's a little over a hundred bucks compared to the metric tons of money spent on tuition?
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: juliemccoy on July 19, 2006, 01:53:03 PM
What is LEEWS?
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: flydog on July 19, 2006, 03:30:30 PM
What is LEEWS?

http://www.leews.com/
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: AZWildcat on July 19, 2006, 04:02:48 PM
LEEWS is pretty much universally lauded, so it's a no brainer to me...what's a little over a hundred bucks compared to the metric tons of money spent on tuition?

I've always argued this, but it's fallen on deaf ears.

Legal writing is about short, concise, on point sentences.  People who call themselves "good writers" normally construct 25-35 word sentences with a lot of fluff and ambigious terms.  In legal writing, every word must count.  You'll quickly learn that legal writing is more difficult than the long winded prose your English teacher loved.  The complex, huge word, ambiguous language is not how you effectively communicate an idea; it's often how you confuse people and keep them from figuring out what you actually know (or don't know, as is often the case). 

An interesting exercise is the following...  Tell someone "Spot, whom I like very much and likes to run, is a good dog, is happy, and he likes food."  Ask them to name the first thing that they learned about Spot.  Hardly anyone will say "likes to run."  Then say, "Spot likes to run.  I really like him. He's a good dog.  He's very happy, and he likes food."  Not only will most people be able to tell you the first thing, they'll be able to tell you all four things and isolate your liking of Spot as irrelevant to the question.  It looks like 2nd grade writing, but guess what?  It communicated the ideas more persuasively and effectively than the typical "good writing."
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: juliemccoy on July 19, 2006, 04:32:23 PM
Thanks flydog. I feel like I'm the reverse on these writing issues. Would someone with a journalism background have an advantage here? I'm writing my PS right now and having to "relearn" formal writing.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: AZWildcat on July 19, 2006, 05:28:02 PM
Thanks flydog. I feel like I'm the reverse on these writing issues. Would someone with a journalism background have an advantage here? I'm writing my PS right now and having to "relearn" formal writing.

Journalism focuses on concise, exacting writing, so I would call it a leg up.  English/Humanities majors are at a disadvantage.

I'm an electrical engineer who just made law review from a write on competition, if that tells you anything.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: fainana on July 20, 2006, 12:55:09 AM
I really don't want to make myself busier before school starts, but you have all been pretty convincing, and it looks like I'll be doing the program in a few weeks. At worst, it can't hurt, and at best I will be better at legal writing.
Title: Re: LEEWS for sale
Post by: jacy85 on July 20, 2006, 04:12:21 AM
I'm selling my LEEWS, looking for $80 + shipping.  CDs, has all the diagrams and the primer (the primer has highlighting in it, and the binding is loose; the info and pages are all there, its just not built to last a very long time).  CDs are in great shape.  I bought it last august/september.

PM me if you're interested.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: Kevin26.2 on July 20, 2006, 12:09:44 PM
do you still have your LEEWS for sale?
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: jacy85 on July 20, 2006, 03:22:27 PM
Likely not; but if the couple of people that PM'ed me fall through, I'll let you know.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: ZinnMaster on July 28, 2006, 05:29:45 AM
Any difference in the editions of LEEWS? Does it matter if I buy the 5th edition for $45 as opposed to the 7th edition for $145?
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: bass on July 28, 2006, 05:31:53 AM
Any difference in the editions of LEEWS? Does it matter if I buy the 5th edition for $45 as opposed to the 7th edition for $145?

Honestly, I don't see how that could be  a problem.  I just bought an old edition (for 65 though).
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: ZinnMaster on July 28, 2006, 05:34:43 AM
Ya I doubt there is much of a difference. I can't bring myself to spend the full $145 at the moment.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: pinkybella on July 28, 2006, 02:41:52 PM
I'm doing LEEWS on CD a week before LS starts and then probably a refresher before exams.

That's what I'm planning on doing. Do those who have done the program & taken first year exams think this a good idea?
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: ZinnMaster on July 28, 2006, 05:59:46 PM
bump...
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: Lionel Hutz on July 28, 2006, 06:23:28 PM
Um. Where are you all finding these older editions? If I could find one I'd snatch it up right away.
Title: Re: LEEWS
Post by: supergirluw on July 28, 2006, 07:35:27 PM
I checked ebay a few times a day - often people will use a "buy it now" option for the good stuff. You could also post a wanted ad on this board and the students board - eventually I got replies, and they were good deals.

Also, you could wait until you start and asked older students if they have a copy to borrow or buy for cheap.