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Title: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: nukelaw on July 14, 2006, 11:08:23 AM
Despite the warnings and naysayers, I'm using my iBook next year and only borrowing my wife's pc for exams.

Anyone else staying a diehard?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: bossfan2 on July 14, 2006, 11:50:45 AM
I'm with you!  I have a perfectly good iBook and can't see spending the money to get a PC when I love Macs so much.  It sounds like my school will support the use of Macs for exams, but I'll be checking that out well before exam time to make sure I'm ok...
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: gwenkern on July 14, 2006, 02:41:53 PM
Of course.  My school doesn't use exam software, so there are no issues there.  I can't imagine using a PC when I'm not required to, let alone buying one.

Rockin' the 12" iBook all the way.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: addietoby on July 15, 2006, 08:16:34 AM
Do you all know of any good note taking programs for mac? I think OneNote is just for pc's.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: skeeball on July 16, 2006, 01:30:10 PM
I have to join this thread because my SO is a diehard Mac fan and really pressuring me to get one.

So you guys have to tell me how/if they work in law school. I'm scared.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 16, 2006, 02:07:12 PM
I have to join this thread because my SO is a diehard Mac fan and really pressuring me to get one.

So you guys have to tell me how/if they work in law school. I'm scared.

Actually, as another poster mentioned, when Macs get around too many other PCs they explode into a fireball of chaos.

I'm a 2L with a Powerbook and MacBook Pro
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: monet on July 16, 2006, 02:15:55 PM
macbook! although i'm still trying to get the hang of it. i just hope the applecare service response is prompt if anything should happen. i will back up everything on an external HD still.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: skeeball on July 16, 2006, 04:48:16 PM
Sorry, I'm just unfamiliar with Macs. My mom had one several years ago and it froze all the time. My mom's computer was the computer in the house I had avoid because I didn't know how to use it.

And then I went to college and worked in the business world with PCs exclusively. I'm starting to understand why Mac people think they're crap.

I think Macbooks are pretty. I'm just scared of machines that don't let me right click.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 16, 2006, 05:58:51 PM
Sorry, I'm just unfamiliar with Macs. My mom had one several years ago and it froze all the time. My mom's computer was the computer in the house I had avoid because I didn't know how to use it.

And then I went to college and worked in the business world with PCs exclusively. I'm starting to understand why Mac people think they're crap.

I think Macbooks are pretty. I'm just scared of machines that don't let me right click.

Buy a mouse

Or control+click.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: monet on July 17, 2006, 09:25:53 AM
1 finger tap - left click
2 finger tap - right

on macbook
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Jolie Was Here on July 17, 2006, 10:02:26 AM
Macbook Pro, baby!

I think I have an honorary lifetime appointment to the Mac loyalty club, based on sheer volume of Mac-related posts, if nothing else.

Also, I'm a latter-day convert...just switched over about 2 and a half years ago.  So if any newbies (or potential PC-defectors) have questions about making the switch, ask away. 
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Kevin26.2 on July 17, 2006, 11:09:02 AM
liking my macbook so far, who woul've thought it could be so useful --> http://www.sagags.com/?p=441
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: m34ch on July 17, 2006, 11:45:53 AM
half the reason i'm excited to go to law school is that i get to buy a new macbook

i love it

and now with bootcamp (http://www.maclawstudents.com/exam-software/index.php#boot_camp), we should be able to take exams just fine
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: VLM83 on July 17, 2006, 11:54:11 AM
A couple of the law schools I have applied to...I talked to them and they don't allow students to take exams on Macs, even with bootcamp...even though it works...they just don't allow it. Which is pretty annoying/stupid/short sighted of them. I really want to get a Mac, but I don't want to have to buy another computer (PC) just to take exams...and I would not want to rely on borrowing/renting one that might break down. Even buying a "cheap" one... it's still not that cheap, especially after shelling out 1 or 2 G's for a brand new mac. So I just don't know!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Groundhog on July 17, 2006, 11:54:57 AM
I'm on my PowerBook right now, and that's how I roll.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: m34ch on July 17, 2006, 12:25:42 PM
A couple of the law schools I have applied to...I talked to them and they don't allow students to take exams on Macs, even with bootcamp...even though it works...they just don't allow it. Which is pretty annoying/stupid/short sighted of them. I really want to get a Mac, but I don't want to have to buy another computer (PC) just to take exams...and I would not want to rely on borrowing/renting one that might break down. Even buying a "cheap" one... it's still not that cheap, especially after shelling out 1 or 2 G's for a brand new mac. So I just don't know!

it's worth it to me- i don't mind borrowing one for 5 or 6 hours a semester

5 hours a semester x 6 semesters = 30 hours.
there are 26,280 hours in the 3 years of law school (summers included)
which means that i need a pc for 0.114% of the time in law school

i'm not messing around with windows for 3 years just so i can use required software for 30 hours
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 17, 2006, 03:05:46 PM
A couple of the law schools I have applied to...I talked to them and they don't allow students to take exams on Macs, even with bootcamp...even though it works...they just don't allow it. Which is pretty annoying/stupid/short sighted of them. I really want to get a Mac, but I don't want to have to buy another computer (PC) just to take exams...and I would not want to rely on borrowing/renting one that might break down. Even buying a "cheap" one... it's still not that cheap, especially after shelling out 1 or 2 G's for a brand new mac. So I just don't know!

I believe you'll see this attitude changing very soon once the ignorance lifts.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: gch on July 17, 2006, 06:59:50 PM
A couple of the law schools I have applied to...I talked to them and they don't allow students to take exams on Macs, even with bootcamp...even though it works...they just don't allow it. Which is pretty annoying/stupid/short sighted of them. I really want to get a Mac, but I don't want to have to buy another computer (PC) just to take exams...and I would not want to rely on borrowing/renting one that might break down. Even buying a "cheap" one... it's still not that cheap, especially after shelling out 1 or 2 G's for a brand new mac. So I just don't know!

it's worth it to me- i don't mind borrowing one for 5 or 6 hours a semester

5 hours a semester x 6 semesters = 30 hours.
there are 26,280 hours in the 3 years of law school (summers included)
which means that i need a pc for 0.114% of the time in law school

i'm not messing around with windows for 3 years just so i can use required software for 30 hours

I agree with you.  I have been playing around on my MacBook since it arrived this morning and must admit that I am enjoying every minute of it.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: SammyJenkins on July 17, 2006, 08:04:02 PM

I have an iBook as well for a year now, and I refuse to give it up to buy a PC!  After spending the money on this iBook (and well worth it may I add), I don't want to pay money for a PC that catches viruses, crashes, and freezes every other day! 
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: monet on July 18, 2006, 09:49:01 AM
I do find that my macbook slows down ever so slightly now that I've left it on for a couple of weeks. I do close the lid so it goes to sleep but have not turned it off or rebooted. How often do people reboot their macs? Do you ever power it off completely?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Jolie Was Here on July 18, 2006, 09:57:10 AM
I've taken to shutting mine down when I leave in the morning and again at night.  Don't think this is neccessary, but it's helping me stay organized in a weird way. 

I DO think you should reboot every now and again.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: cesco on July 18, 2006, 10:01:14 AM
I am a pc (Dell) person through and through, but I had to sign on to this thread to say that I LOVE Apple's new commercials!!!  The ones w/a mac person talking to a pc person.....they are great.  So creative and such a great way to get people thinking of the value of Macs.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: sck on July 18, 2006, 10:01:34 AM
I just have to say... I was playing with the Macbooks and Macbook Pros at the Apple store yesterday at lunch... and I think I prefer the Macbooks, which surprises me. I think it's the way the keyboard feels. Although I wish the screens were a bit bigger. That 15-inch screen might win me over the better keyboard feel.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: gch on July 18, 2006, 10:06:51 AM
I do find that my macbook slows down ever so slightly now that I've left it on for a couple of weeks. I do close the lid so it goes to sleep but have not turned it off or rebooted. How often do people reboot their macs? Do you ever power it off completely?

I received my MacBook yesterday and did not turn it off until this morning after the battery got through draining (I'm in the process of calibrating the battery).  However, I see myself turning it off pretty regularly (every night) unless it starts to be a pain in the ass to do so.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: monet on July 18, 2006, 10:14:59 AM
What about battery life? My macbook lasts 2.5hrs tops when I'm using wireless internet, safari, instant messanger. No music or media, and on the energy saving mode. The icon on the top right says I have over 3 hrs but that winds down really fast.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on July 18, 2006, 10:19:51 AM
I need to be on this thread.

So do MacBooks have a shorter battery life than the old iBooks?  2.5 hours sounds a bit skimpy.  I currently take my iBooks on bus trips from Boston to NYC (and back) and generally have the thing running the whole time (playing movies, iTunes videos, etc). 
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: gch on July 18, 2006, 10:31:51 AM
What about battery life? My macbook lasts 2.5hrs tops when I'm using wireless internet, safari, instant messanger. No music or media, and on the energy saving mode. The icon on the top right says I have over 3 hrs but that winds down really fast.

Yesterday I got a little over 4 hours out of my battery and I was doing everything I could to test out the MacBook.  I also watched a DVD and played around on wireless internet.  I ordered an extra battery for those times when it's tough.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 18, 2006, 10:51:29 AM
I always shut down my laptops, but my PowerMac Dual G5 goes for months and months without a reboot.  Normally it only reboots for system updates.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 18, 2006, 11:33:24 AM
A couple of the law schools I have applied to...I talked to them and they don't allow students to take exams on Macs, even with bootcamp...even though it works...they just don't allow it. Which is pretty annoying/stupid/short sighted of them. I really want to get a Mac, but I don't want to have to buy another computer (PC) just to take exams...and I would not want to rely on borrowing/renting one that might break down. Even buying a "cheap" one... it's still not that cheap, especially after shelling out 1 or 2 G's for a brand new mac. So I just don't know!

I bet by next year nearly all the schools will have approved, since 10.5 (Leopard) will come with BootCamp as a built-in feature.  Some schools are nervous about BootCamp because it's still in Beta phase, or they just don't fully understand how it works.

Once you're accepted, make sure they know you want the school to be Mac-friendly... several of us got together at our ASW and have been emailing IT to get approval, which finally worked!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 18, 2006, 11:40:41 AM
I need to be on this thread.

So do MacBooks have a shorter battery life than the old iBooks?  2.5 hours sounds a bit skimpy.  I currently take my iBooks on bus trips from Boston to NYC (and back) and generally have the thing running the whole time (playing movies, iTunes videos, etc). 

Goodgal, did you get a PUPPY?!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 18, 2006, 12:34:01 PM
Did you buy your Macbook yet?  Now that we have official approval, I think I'm going ahead with the Macbook... maybe I will order it tonight!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on July 18, 2006, 12:36:49 PM
Did you buy your Macbook yet?  Now that we have official approval, I think I'm going ahead with the Macbook... maybe I will order it tonight!

I haven't yet, but I'm going to any day now. Not really sure what I'm waiting for.  The only thing that might make me wait is that I'm not sure if I want all that stuff (laptop, backup hard drive, new iPod, printer, etc) being shipped to my current apartment right before I move. So i might wait a few weeks and have it shipped to my parents house, where I will be for part of August.

What's your plan for the free iPod? are you going with the totally free nano, or upgrading?  I think I'm going to get the 30G video version for $90. what a deal  :)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 18, 2006, 12:50:55 PM
Did you buy your Macbook yet?  Now that we have official approval, I think I'm going ahead with the Macbook... maybe I will order it tonight!

I haven't yet, but I'm going to any day now. Not really sure what I'm waiting for.  The only thing that might make me wait is that I'm not sure if I want all that stuff (laptop, backup hard drive, new iPod, printer, etc) being shipped to my current apartment right before I move. So i might wait a few weeks and have it shipped to my parents house, where I will be for part of August.

What's your plan for the free iPod? are you going with the totally free nano, or upgrading?  I think I'm going to get the 30G video version for $90. what a deal  :)

You could use your iPod as a back up harddrive, if you were so inclined.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 18, 2006, 12:53:50 PM
Did you buy your Macbook yet?  Now that we have official approval, I think I'm going ahead with the Macbook... maybe I will order it tonight!

I haven't yet, but I'm going to any day now. Not really sure what I'm waiting for.  The only thing that might make me wait is that I'm not sure if I want all that stuff (laptop, backup hard drive, new iPod, printer, etc) being shipped to my current apartment right before I move. So i might wait a few weeks and have it shipped to my parents house, where I will be for part of August.

What's your plan for the free iPod? are you going with the totally free nano, or upgrading?  I think I'm going to get the 30G video version for $90. what a deal  :)

Yeah, I already filled up my 20 Gig non-video iPod, so even though I have no money, I was thinking of going with the 60g... I know I'll be mad later if I don't.  I think I'm getting it in black; it's soooo sexy!

Don't know what I'll do with the old guy, though... I've grown attached... 'twill be hard to say goodbye.  :'(
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: loveless on July 18, 2006, 12:54:50 PM
I bought mine Saturday.

Got the 1.83Ghz model, 60GB HD (cause I'm keeping all my MP3's and movies on my desktop), and the upgrade to 1GB RAM just to be on the safe side. I added on 3 years of AppleCare. I also upgraded in the iPod department, grabbing the black 30GB to replace my aging monochrome, non-video 20GB (which I'm going to sell to my mom). Also, Apple had a deal which ended this weekend for a $100 rebate on a printer, so I "bought" the $99.99 HP 3-in-1 for free.

By the time you tack on money my dad owed me and rebates, I spent $310. Tack on another $45 to get BootCamp + XP Pro added by the techies at Michigan, and a free version of Office from my buddy, and I've got a fully loaded new set up for $350.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 18, 2006, 01:00:08 PM
I just bought a 120G backup harddrive for my G4 desktop so my stuff will be safe before moving and to make it easier to move files between computers.  I am officially all backed up!

Goodgal, do you know how we get our Apple discount through Penn?  If not, I can just go through my work...
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Jolie Was Here on July 18, 2006, 01:06:02 PM
Actually, Apple is pretty lenient with the educational discount.  As long as you can show them SOMETHING to document your student status, they'll give you all the student perks (I just pulled up a Michigan password-protected page on an instore computer, for ex.)

They don't care who you buy for, either.  In the last few years I've gotten student pricing on a Powerbook for my father and an iMac for my mother, in addition to my Powerbook and my Macbook Pro. 

Finally, three cheers for Cornell, whose IT dept. allows student pricing for life to all Cornell alums...so far, the most tangible economic benefit of that masters degree!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: loveless on July 18, 2006, 01:16:41 PM
Actually, Apple is pretty lenient with the educational discount.  As long as you can show them SOMETHING to document your student status, they'll give you all the student perks (I just pulled up a Michigan password-protected page on an instore computer, for ex.)

They don't care who you buy for, either.  In the last few years I've gotten student pricing on a Powerbook for my father and an iMac for my mother, in addition to my Powerbook and my Macbook Pro. 

Finally, three cheers for Cornell, whose IT dept. allows student pricing for life to all Cornell alums...so far, the most tangible economic benefit of that masters degree!

I just went to the Apple Online store and typed in University of Michigan Law School and got all the student benefits.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on July 18, 2006, 03:01:37 PM
I just bought a 120G backup harddrive for my G4 desktop so my stuff will be safe before moving and to make it easier to move files between computers.  I am officially all backed up!

Goodgal, do you know how we get our Apple discount through Penn?  If not, I can just go through my work...

You can just go to the apple website and click on the education link (i think) and then you choose Penn from a list of colleges. then (if i'm remembering correctly) you have to type in your pennkey, and from there you'll be able to order what you want from the apple website with the Penn discount.

And I'm impressed that you filled your 20G ipod!  I haven't even maxed out my 4G mini yet!  :D  so i think I'll be fine with 30Gs. 

AZ - how do you use an iPod for backup?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: GreyStreet on July 18, 2006, 05:10:33 PM
Call me cheap.. but this is a lot of computer for $1099 (plus a free $179 NANO)!

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Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 18, 2006, 05:53:51 PM

AZ - how do you use an iPod for backup?

Turn the hard drive feature on (I think it's under iTunes, but it's been a while) and simply copy files to it as though it's another HD.  In fact, it is another HD. :)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 24, 2006, 08:10:37 AM
Ok, now that I have my baby in the mail, someone recommend a good sleeve for a 13" Macbook  :)

I can't tell if I'm more excited for the computer, or for the new 60G video iPod that's coming with it  :D
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: gch on July 24, 2006, 09:47:30 AM
Here's a link for information (site links) on MacBook bags and sleeves out in the market.

http://www.wiredbynature.org/comp/mac/macbook/mods.php#Bags (http://www.wiredbynature.org/comp/mac/macbook/mods.php#Bags)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on July 24, 2006, 10:01:09 AM
Still waiting.  Estimated Delivered By: AUG 03, 2006.  That's like... a million days away.

mine is coming august 4th, and i can't wait
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 24, 2006, 10:09:47 AM
I paid the $18 for expedited shipping, but so far, doesn't look like I'm actually getting it: the iPod has already shipped, but it's scheduled to arrive on July 31!  WTF?!  What happened to the "two days" promised in the expedited shipping area?

Computer is set to ship on the 28th and arrive on the 2nd.  My knee surgery is August 1st.  This blows.  >:(
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on July 24, 2006, 10:11:15 AM
I paid the $18 for expedited shipping, but so far, doesn't look like I'm actually getting it: the iPod has already shipped, but it's scheduled to arrive on July 31!  WTF?!  What happened to the "two days" promised in the expedited shipping area?

Computer is set to ship on the 28th and arrive on the 2nd.  My knee surgery is August 1st.  This blows.  >:(

you should call them and ask them to refund that $18 - kind of silly to pay for expedited shipping when you are only going to get your macbook 2 days before I do (for free).
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 24, 2006, 10:17:03 AM
I paid the $18 for expedited shipping, but so far, doesn't look like I'm actually getting it: the iPod has already shipped, but it's scheduled to arrive on July 31!  WTF?!  What happened to the "two days" promised in the expedited shipping area?

Computer is set to ship on the 28th and arrive on the 2nd.  My knee surgery is August 1st.  This blows.  >:(

you should call them and ask them to refund that $18 - kind of silly to pay for expedited shipping when you are only going to get your macbook 2 days before I do (for free).

Already sent an angry email.... but I'm still feeling mad about it, so maybe I will call, too.  It's going to my work, and I will be out for two weeks because of the surgery... which means a very expensive bit of equipment will be floating around my office, unless I can make my bf pick it up somehow.  NOT good... which is why I paid for the faster shipping in the first place!  Grrr!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 24, 2006, 10:20:17 AM
Here's a link for information (site links) on MacBook bags and sleeves out in the market.

http://www.wiredbynature.org/comp/mac/macbook/mods.php#Bags (http://www.wiredbynature.org/comp/mac/macbook/mods.php#Bags)

Thanks, this is great!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: ny06 on July 24, 2006, 10:22:38 AM
goodgal and legapp-I think I'm ordering my Macbook tomorrow and I just wanted to know if either of you are going to install Bootcamp and Windows before you get to school?  I'm a little nervous so I think I might, especially since Penn doesn't seem all that willing to help if something goes wrong.  Are you just going to buy Windows and install it yourself? 
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on July 24, 2006, 10:27:26 AM
goodgal and legapp-I think I'm ordering my Macbook tomorrow and I just wanted to know if either of you are going to install Bootcamp and Windows before you get to school?  I'm a little nervous so I think I might, especially since Penn doesn't seem all that willing to help if something goes wrong.  Are you just going to buy Windows and install it yourself? 

i think i'll probably wait until we actually get to school, that way I'll be in the company of other mac users that I can go to for help if need be. 

do you guys think it would be possible to share a copy of windows, or does that somehow not work?  it would definitely cut down on costs, but i'm not sure if the disks are protected in some way so as to only allow loading onto one computer or something.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: sck on July 24, 2006, 10:36:44 AM
Windows has a highly annoying protection mode now that pops up telling you that your version may not be authentic all the time, so if you share copies.... My fiance's is doing this now, and it's making him crazy.

Once I get moved in, I'm probably reinstalling windows on his machine since I have a corporate license from work, which means it CAN be used on multiple machines.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 24, 2006, 11:39:30 AM
goodgal and legapp-I think I'm ordering my Macbook tomorrow and I just wanted to know if either of you are going to install Bootcamp and Windows before you get to school?  I'm a little nervous so I think I might, especially since Penn doesn't seem all that willing to help if something goes wrong.  Are you just going to buy Windows and install it yourself? 

Yes... the forums seem to have a lot of info about this, so I'll probably just print out a bunch of instructions and tips, then go for it.  How much is Windows through the bookstore?

My plan is basically to keep my Macbook as bare-bones as possible until Leopard is officially released... no sense buying software that's just going to be outdated in a few months, unless it's a must-have.  Unless... does anyone know how Rosetta works?  All my Mac software is six years old... I was still using OS 9  when I bought it.  :(

Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: ny06 on July 24, 2006, 01:34:55 PM
Yes... the forums seem to have a lot of info about this, so I'll probably just print out a bunch of instructions and tips, then go for it.  How much is Windows through the bookstore?

My plan is basically to keep my Macbook as bare-bones as possible until Leopard is officially released... no sense buying software that's just going to be outdated in a few months, unless it's a must-have.  Unless... does anyone know how Rosetta works?  All my Mac software is six years old... I was still using OS 9  when I bought it.  :(
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Will Leopard be released before exams start?  And are you going to buy it when it's released? 
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: ScoopNY on July 24, 2006, 01:52:30 PM
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Finally, three cheers for Cornell, whose IT dept. allows student pricing for life to all Cornell alums...so far, the most tangible economic benefit of that masters degree!

What? Really? That so rocks.  :o (CU alum here).
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 24, 2006, 02:00:33 PM
Yes... the forums seem to have a lot of info about this, so I'll probably just print out a bunch of instructions and tips, then go for it.  How much is Windows through the bookstore?

My plan is basically to keep my Macbook as bare-bones as possible until Leopard is officially released... no sense buying software that's just going to be outdated in a few months, unless it's a must-have.  Unless... does anyone know how Rosetta works?  All my Mac software is six years old... I was still using OS 9  when I bought it.  :(


Will Leopard be released before exams start?  And are you going to buy it when it's released? 
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Possibly, but it's not likely.  I'll probably end up loading on BootCamp in Oct/Nov to get the computer exam-ready, and then wiping it off once Leopard comes out...my guess is Jan/Feb '07, though no one know for sure.  There is a prototype being shown at the Mac Developer's Conference in a week, but I'd assume there's still a fair amount to do to get it consumer-ready...

I'll probably wait a month or two after it's released to let them work out the bugs... so if it does come out by the end of the year, as was originally announced, then I'd put it on around March for spring exams.

I also bought a bigass external harddrive in case anything screws up  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 25, 2006, 05:37:55 AM
hey all,

any former PC-ers here? I'm thinking of making the big switch, but I'm still on the fence between buying the Macbook, which will end up costing me around $1400, and a similarly priced (or even lower priced) Sony VAIO...

From experience, does anyone think the Mac OS is much more stable than that of a PC?

thanks! :)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Jolie Was Here on July 25, 2006, 06:56:55 AM
I was a lifelong PC user until about 2 1/2 years ago, and now I wouldn't go back for love or money.  They'll have to pry my Macbook Pro from my cold, lifeless hands. 

Simply stated -- yes, the OS is MUCH more stable.  And more user-friendly and intuitive.  And better-integrated.  And much much cooler. 

I was pretty shocked at how easy the transition was.  Still, if you are going to make the switch, I'd encourage you to do it soon.  You'll want time to acquaint yourself with the new OS before school starts.  I also HIGHLY recommend the free seminars Apple offers at their stores.  If you have access, sit in on a few.  If not, there's plenty of information on their website about easing the transition.

Finally, feel free to PM me if you have specific questions.  Or better yet, post here so you have access to people who are smarter than me.  :P  You'll find that Mac users tend to be pretty enthusiastic about their computers and are usually happy to help newcomers.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 25, 2006, 07:37:44 AM
wow, great to hear...thanks so much!

I'm really leaning towards the MacBook, but I'm weighing all options.

I'm trying not to let my girly "they're SO PRETTY" thought process cloud my logic here, but seriously...they're SO PRETTY!!! ;D
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Jolie Was Here on July 25, 2006, 07:42:01 AM
wow, great to hear...thanks so much!

I'm really leaning towards the MacBook, but I'm weighing all options.

I'm trying not to let my girly "they're SO PRETTY" thought process cloud my logic here, but seriously...they're SO PRETTY!!! ;D

 ;D Yes.  Yes, they are.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: orb99 on July 25, 2006, 08:15:03 AM
Hey! I just started a new thread about this, so if any of you have read it, please disregard this message and excuse the repetition. If not... MacBook vs. MacBook Pro... any opinions?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Kevin26.2 on July 25, 2006, 08:22:11 AM
wow, great to hear...thanks so much!

I'm really leaning towards the MacBook, but I'm weighing all options.

I'm trying not to let my girly "they're SO PRETTY" thought process cloud my logic here, but seriously...they're SO PRETTY!!! ;D

like many others, i've switched after being a lifelong PC user, and i dont see myself switching back. go macbook, you wont be sorry!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: himay on July 25, 2006, 08:46:14 AM
I went with the Macbook Pro, for several reasons.  One, it's quicker with anything related to video - looking at pictures, watching movies, etc. 

Two, I LOVE the feeling of the keyboard.  To me, that is worth several hundred dollars.  I'll be spending the next 4 years typing all...the...time...  The Macbook keyboard is definitely better than the old iBook, but it's not as nice as the MBP.

Three, backlit keyboard is just cool.

Four, the bigger screen size with a minimal weight difference is really huge to me.  The 14" widescreen MB is nice, but since it is a widescreen, it is fairly short.  With the 15" MBP, it's a taller screen and much nicer because of its size.

Five, cool factor.  It looks cooler, and that's worth a little bit of money :)

I love love LOVE my MacBook Pro, and I was a hardcore PC user before this.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 25, 2006, 08:51:41 AM
Hey! I just started a new thread about this, so if any of you have read it, please disregard this message and excuse the repetition. If not... MacBook vs. MacBook Pro... any opinions?

Since I already have a nice G4 desktop, my main concern was portability, not funtionality for videos and photo editing--so the Macbook was the right call for me.  And surprisingly, the price is pretty damn competitive with the PC market!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 25, 2006, 11:51:24 AM
yeah the main thing throwing me off is these laptops that I keep seeing on sale for like $600-$900, and I keep thinking to myself, "do I really need the MacBook if I can have a laptop with very similar specs for about $500-$800 cheaper?"

any thoughts?  ???
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on July 25, 2006, 11:58:45 AM
yeah the main thing throwing me off is these laptops that I keep seeing on sale for like $600-$900, and I keep thinking to myself, "do I really need the MacBook if I can have a laptop with very similar specs for about $500-$800 cheaper?"

any thoughts?  ???

what laptops have you seen for $500-$800 cheaper than a MacBook with truly comparable specs? That would mean getting a computer for about $300-$600, maybe $800 if you we're talking about a MacBook with added options.  I can't imagine getting a quality PC for those prices.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 25, 2006, 11:58:57 AM
yeah the main thing throwing me off is these laptops that I keep seeing on sale for like $600-$900, and I keep thinking to myself, "do I really need the MacBook if I can have a laptop with very similar specs for about $500-$800 cheaper?"

any thoughts?  ???

Two words: duo core.   ;D
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 25, 2006, 12:08:17 PM
yeah the main thing throwing me off is these laptops that I keep seeing on sale for like $600-$900, and I keep thinking to myself, "do I really need the MacBook if I can have a laptop with very similar specs for about $500-$800 cheaper?"

any thoughts?  ???

what laptops have you seen for $500-$800 cheaper than a MacBook with truly comparable specs? That would mean getting a computer for about $300-$600, maybe $800 if you we're talking about a MacBook with added options.  I can't imagine getting a quality PC for those prices.



I've seen many, actually. There were a bunch in Sunday's paper for back to school sales.

The MacBook that I want will end up costing me about $1500 when all is said and done (after all the upgrades that I need), so I'm trying to shop around a bit. I've seen laptops for $600-$900, but I'm not sure if they would last me through 3 years of law school...
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 25, 2006, 12:18:18 PM
yeah the main thing throwing me off is these laptops that I keep seeing on sale for like $600-$900, and I keep thinking to myself, "do I really need the MacBook if I can have a laptop with very similar specs for about $500-$800 cheaper?"

any thoughts?  ???

what laptops have you seen for $500-$800 cheaper than a MacBook with truly comparable specs? That would mean getting a computer for about $300-$600, maybe $800 if you we're talking about a MacBook with added options.  I can't imagine getting a quality PC for those prices.



I've seen many, actually. There were a bunch in Sunday's paper for back to school sales.

The MacBook that I want will end up costing me about $1500 when all is said and done (after all the upgrades that I need), so I'm trying to shop around a bit. I've seen laptops for $600-$900, but I'm not sure if they would last me through 3 years of law school...

Most of the computers in those prices ranges have inferior processors, although you can't always tell that from different manufacturers' websites.  For instance, Dell is offering a sale for an Inspiron 1505 that "starts at" $639, and it they sort of imply that you're going to get a Core Duo... but when you click on it, of course it's only built with a Core Solo... for the Duo, you're up to $849 (on sale from $1,049).  What else don't you get?  Windows Pro will bump you up by $150, and the specs will need to be upgraded to reach the Mac...  make sure you finish adding what you what to those so that you're comparing apples to apples (pun intended  ;)).

Plus, don't forget to add in the value of the free iPod (which you could sell, if you want the money) and the $100 off a printer.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Jolie Was Here on July 25, 2006, 12:19:37 PM
This is one of the classic myths that keep people going back to PCs.  I think it's safe to say that a base model Macbook (ie the $1100 model) is already far more computer than what you see on sale for $600-$900.  They're probably not comparably equipped.  

People have done some interesting technical breakdowns and shown that penny-for-penny, Macs and PCs are usually around the same price point.  Apple just doesn't offer a stripped-down model like a lot of the PC manufacturers.  
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 25, 2006, 12:21:14 PM
yeah the main thing throwing me off is these laptops that I keep seeing on sale for like $600-$900, and I keep thinking to myself, "do I really need the MacBook if I can have a laptop with very similar specs for about $500-$800 cheaper?"

any thoughts?  ???

what laptops have you seen for $500-$800 cheaper than a MacBook with truly comparable specs? That would mean getting a computer for about $300-$600, maybe $800 if you we're talking about a MacBook with added options.  I can't imagine getting a quality PC for those prices.



I've seen many, actually. There were a bunch in Sunday's paper for back to school sales.

The MacBook that I want will end up costing me about $1500 when all is said and done (after all the upgrades that I need), so I'm trying to shop around a bit. I've seen laptops for $600-$900, but I'm not sure if they would last me through 3 years of law school...

Most of the computers in those prices ranges have inferior processors, although you can't always tell that from different manufacturers' websites.  For instance, Dell is offering a sale for an Inspiron 1505 that "starts at" $639, and it they sort of imply that you're going to get a Core Duo... but when you click on it, of course it's only built with a Core Solo... for the Duo, you're up to $849 (on sale from $1,049).  What else don't you get?  Windows Pro will bump you up by $150, and the specs will need to be upgraded to reach the Mac...  make sure you finish adding what you what so that you're comparing apples to apples (pun intended  ;)).to those

Plus, don't forget to add in the value of the free iPod (which you could sell, if you want the money) and the $100 off a printer.



 :D
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 25, 2006, 12:22:14 PM
This is one of the classic myths that keep people going back to PCs.  I think it's safe to say that a base model Macbook (ie the $1100 model) is already far more computer than what you see on sale for $600-$900.  They're probably not comparably equipped. 

People have done some interesting technical breakdowns and shown that penny-for-penny, Macs and PCs are usually around the same price point.  Apple just doesn't offer a stripped-down model like a lot of the PC manufacturers. 


this is what I suspected. Thanks for the input! :)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: orb99 on July 25, 2006, 01:44:22 PM
What do you have to do to get the ipod? And is it pretty easy to get the student discount?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 25, 2006, 01:49:07 PM
What do you have to do to get the ipod? And is it pretty easy to get the student discount?

Go here for the promotions: http://www.apple.com/promo/

You have to open up the rebate forms to see the ipod discounts and which printers are eligible.

For the education discount, go here: http://www.apple.com/education/

Click on "shop online," and you'll just have to enter the name of your school.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 26, 2006, 11:45:13 AM
My iPod came today--wooHOO!!! ;D

According to the website, it wasn't s'posed to be here until Friday or Monday, so this is a happy surprise.  Yay for expedited shipping.   :)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: loveless on July 26, 2006, 12:40:41 PM
I got my iPod and my printer last week. My MacBook shipped Sunday morning, but its status hasn't changed on the FedEx tracker, so I don't think it's even reached the shipping center in the US yet (it shipped from China).
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: sck on July 26, 2006, 01:38:52 PM
Totally agree with Jolie on the price myth thing.

I sat and worked it out once -- made the effort to build a comparable laptop on a PC makers website and it really adds up quick. The laptops are really well-priced.

Now I don't consider their desktops to be as good price-point wise, but then I build my own PCc for far less.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 26, 2006, 08:16:20 PM
I just ordered my MacBook!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: 13 inch MacBook screen size a problem
Post by: drew on July 26, 2006, 11:25:28 PM
Hi, someone posted a while back saying that the 13 inch screens might be too small if you wanted to fit 2 pages (briefs and notes for example) side by side on the screen.  Was he right?  Can someone with a 13 inch macbook tell me if this is right?  Thanks - please email me  with your response if you can.
Drew
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: iFoughtTheLawAnd on July 26, 2006, 11:26:58 PM
excellent thread. i was hoping to consult you all on a few questions; please don't mind the length, and thanks in advance for any help. also, windows=pc in the following text.

I'm an old-soul Mac user (last owned a Performa 6200 using System 7.5) thinking about going born-again with a MacBook. The key for me, though, is to be able to use the cadre of PC programs I have (which include some CAD and graphic programs), instead of replacing all of them with Mac versions (which I will hopefully afford to do after 2L summer, cross my fingers).

So BootCamp would be key for me. While I hope to gradually come to re-learn all of the graces of the Mac OS, I envision basically using a MacBook like a glorified PC at least in the beginning. Problem 1 arose when I went to the Apple Store. They advised me that since bootcamp is in beta, it isn't supported by Apple now, and they tried to steer me to Parallels, which was sold out at the time, but also simply seems to be an emulator. I don't want to just have a software emulator. Any thoughts?

Problem 2 has to do with how comprehensive bootcamp/parallels might be. Can I use peripherals and the internal dvd burner in both environments? Or would I need to find PC-version drivers for, say, the burner, and both types of drivers for every peripheral i bought in order to use it in both environments? also, can i partition an external hd down the middle and format 1/2 for pc, 1/2 for mac?

Problem 3 has to do with the use of keys over the mouse. As a result of one summer banking internship using a lot of excel, i discovered the joy of doing a lot of basic navigation and operations in Windows using a keyboard instead of a mouse, which I often find to be much faster and convenient than wheeling my mouse or finger around. For example, I think Mac borrowed from Windows the alt-TAB method of switching among programs. Also, if I want to minimize the window I am in, I just do alt-space-n. And if I have 10 docs open, each of which I want to print, save as, and then close, then just training my fingers to alt-F-P, then alt-F-A, then ctrl-W lets me get through those operations much more quickly (any batch or macro solutions notwithstanding). When bootcamp/parallels is running PC, does the Mac keyboard imitate the keys on a PC keyboard such that it can suit my keyboard-centered use? And, while I know that the Mac OS carries a lot of shortcuts (I still remember apple-I for Info and apple-W for close), does the OS have an additional level of functionality for its keyboard that matches that of what I find in windows?
Title: Re: 13 inch MacBook screen size a problem
Post by: Kevin26.2 on July 27, 2006, 07:35:32 AM
Hi, someone posted a while back saying that the 13 inch screens might be too small if you wanted to fit 2 pages (briefs and notes for example) side by side on the screen.  Was he right?  Can someone with a 13 inch macbook tell me if this is right?  Thanks - please email me  with your response if you can.
Drew


It could be difficult on the 13" screen. i've not yet tried to have two windows open side by side, but the Expose' feature allows you to switch rapidly between open windows, so i dont think it will be a problem for me.

if you've got the extra few hundred, you could just get the MBP and not worry about it!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 27, 2006, 08:22:52 AM
excellent thread. i was hoping to consult you all on a few questions; please don't mind the length, and thanks in advance for any help. also, windows=pc in the following text.

I'm an old-soul Mac user (last owned a Performa 6200 using System 7.5) thinking about going born-again with a MacBook. The key for me, though, is to be able to use the cadre of PC programs I have (which include some CAD and graphic programs), instead of replacing all of them with Mac versions (which I will hopefully afford to do after 2L summer, cross my fingers).

So BootCamp would be key for me. While I hope to gradually come to re-learn all of the graces of the Mac OS, I envision basically using a MacBook like a glorified PC at least in the beginning. Problem 1 arose when I went to the Apple Store. They advised me that since bootcamp is in beta, it isn't supported by Apple now, and they tried to steer me to Parallels, which was sold out at the time, but also simply seems to be an emulator. I don't want to just have a software emulator. Any thoughts?

Problem 2 has to do with how comprehensive bootcamp/parallels might be. Can I use peripherals and the internal dvd burner in both environments? Or would I need to find PC-version drivers for, say, the burner, and both types of drivers for every peripheral i bought in order to use it in both environments? also, can i partition an external hd down the middle and format 1/2 for pc, 1/2 for mac?

Problem 3 has to do with the use of keys over the mouse. As a result of one summer banking internship using a lot of excel, i discovered the joy of doing a lot of basic navigation and operations in Windows using a keyboard instead of a mouse, which I often find to be much faster and convenient than wheeling my mouse or finger around. For example, I think Mac borrowed from Windows the alt-TAB method of switching among programs. Also, if I want to minimize the window I am in, I just do alt-space-n. And if I have 10 docs open, each of which I want to print, save as, and then close, then just training my fingers to alt-F-P, then alt-F-A, then ctrl-W lets me get through those operations much more quickly (any batch or macro solutions notwithstanding). When bootcamp/parallels is running PC, does the Mac keyboard imitate the keys on a PC keyboard such that it can suit my keyboard-centered use? And, while I know that the Mac OS carries a lot of shortcuts (I still remember apple-I for Info and apple-W for close), does the OS have an additional level of functionality for its keyboard that matches that of what I find in windows?

I can't answer all your questions, but as to partitioning your HD--you can do it however you like, down to a minimum (10Gs?).  So if you want it 50-50, that you can do.  For the other stuff regarding peripherals and such, check out the Mac forums... I'm sure the techies over there will know.  There are a million threads about Bootcamp.

For problem 3, I'd recommend a book called "The Mac is Not a Typewriter."  Has all the quick keys and stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: iFoughtTheLawAnd on July 27, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
excellent thread. i was hoping to consult you all on a few questions; please don't mind the length, and thanks in advance for any help. also, windows=pc in the following text.

I'm an old-soul Mac user (last owned a Performa 6200 using System 7.5) thinking about going born-again with a MacBook. The key for me, though, is to be able to use the cadre of PC programs I have (which include some CAD and graphic programs), instead of replacing all of them with Mac versions (which I will hopefully afford to do after 2L summer, cross my fingers).

So BootCamp would be key for me. While I hope to gradually come to re-learn all of the graces of the Mac OS, I envision basically using a MacBook like a glorified PC at least in the beginning. Problem 1 arose when I went to the Apple Store. They advised me that since bootcamp is in beta, it isn't supported by Apple now, and they tried to steer me to Parallels, which was sold out at the time, but also simply seems to be an emulator. I don't want to just have a software emulator. Any thoughts?

Problem 2 has to do with how comprehensive bootcamp/parallels might be. Can I use peripherals and the internal dvd burner in both environments? Or would I need to find PC-version drivers for, say, the burner, and both types of drivers for every peripheral i bought in order to use it in both environments? also, can i partition an external hd down the middle and format 1/2 for pc, 1/2 for mac?

Problem 3 has to do with the use of keys over the mouse. As a result of one summer banking internship using a lot of excel, i discovered the joy of doing a lot of basic navigation and operations in Windows using a keyboard instead of a mouse, which I often find to be much faster and convenient than wheeling my mouse or finger around. For example, I think Mac borrowed from Windows the alt-TAB method of switching among programs. Also, if I want to minimize the window I am in, I just do alt-space-n. And if I have 10 docs open, each of which I want to print, save as, and then close, then just training my fingers to alt-F-P, then alt-F-A, then ctrl-W lets me get through those operations much more quickly (any batch or macro solutions notwithstanding). When bootcamp/parallels is running PC, does the Mac keyboard imitate the keys on a PC keyboard such that it can suit my keyboard-centered use? And, while I know that the Mac OS carries a lot of shortcuts (I still remember apple-I for Info and apple-W for close), does the OS have an additional level of functionality for its keyboard that matches that of what I find in windows?

I can't answer all your questions, but as to partitioning your HD--you can do it however you like, down to a minimum (10Gs?).  So if you want it 50-50, that you can do.  For the other stuff regarding peripherals and such, check out the Mac forums... I'm sure the techies over there will know.  There are a million threads about Bootcamp.

For problem 3, I'd recommend a book called "The Mac is Not a Typewriter."  Has all the quick keys and stuff.

You mean Mac forums within LSD or elsewhere? Thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 27, 2006, 10:08:29 AM
I looked stuff up here: http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1165

and here: http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php?searchid=3969032

You can Google and find lots more, but pretty much every topic is covered in the above forums.  LSD is great, of course, but at those places you get lots of computer programmers and such... so it's a better resource overall.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 27, 2006, 01:09:52 PM
Went to the Apple homepage today and saw this:  http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/


I want, I want!  Anybody got one?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: firant on July 27, 2006, 01:23:42 PM
Went to the Apple homepage today and saw this:  http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/


I want, I want!  Anybody got one?

You couldn't pay me enough.

I am a recent mac convert.. I bought in for a Tough laptop that would still come with all the bells and whistles I wanted. The one and only thing I miss from my PC is a 2 button mouse. When this first came out I was THRILLED! Then I tried one.

Is it sooo hard to split the mouse so you don't have to rock the whole thing. It's hinged oddly which is frustrating, and I tended to press it accidentally while moving the mouse forward.

Logitech mice are cheap, and they work with macs (well, the USB ones do).
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 27, 2006, 01:26:35 PM
Went to the Apple homepage today and saw this:  http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/


I want, I want!  Anybody got one?

You couldn't pay me enough.

I am a recent mac convert.. I bought in for a Tough laptop that would still come with all the bells and whistles I wanted. The one and only thing I miss from my PC is a 2 button mouse. When this first came out I was THRILLED! Then I tried one.

Is it sooo hard to split the mouse so you don't have to rock the whole thing. It's hinged oddly which is frustrating, and I tended to press it accidentally while moving the mouse forward.

Logitech mice are cheap, and they work with macs (well, the USB ones do).

Guess I should go to the Apple store and give it a try before buying... I don't care about having two-button functionality, but I certainly don't want to have the accidentally pressing stuff problem...
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 27, 2006, 01:37:43 PM
excellent thread. i was hoping to consult you all on a few questions; please don't mind the length, and thanks in advance for any help. also, windows=pc in the following text.

I'm an old-soul Mac user (last owned a Performa 6200 using System 7.5) thinking about going born-again with a MacBook. The key for me, though, is to be able to use the cadre of PC programs I have (which include some CAD and graphic programs), instead of replacing all of them with Mac versions (which I will hopefully afford to do after 2L summer, cross my fingers).

I go back to the Mac IIcx and System 6.2.  I think the "more things change, the more things stay the same" axiom is appropriate here.  While the robustness of the operating system has improved 100 fold, its basic operation is still consistent with 7.5.  

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So BootCamp would be key for me. While I hope to gradually come to re-learn all of the graces of the Mac OS, I envision basically using a MacBook like a glorified PC at least in the beginning. Problem 1 arose when I went to the Apple Store. They advised me that since bootcamp is in beta, it isn't supported by Apple now, and they tried to steer me to Parallels, which was sold out at the time, but also simply seems to be an emulator. I don't want to just have a software emulator. Any thoughts?

Let me explain what Boot Camp is, and it may make things a little clearer.  Intel Apples could not boot Windows at first because the computer's internal firmware (essentially the most basic computer instructions) only loaded EFI, not the older BIOS.  Windows requires a computer with BIOS.  When Boot Camp was released, one of the huge key was the accompanying firmware updater which loaded BIOS and EFI onto the computer's firmware.  

The second big thing Boot Camp did was provide drivers for all of the Mac hardware.  (Video card, USB, keyboard, etc)  This begs the question, if the important parts were a driver disk and BIOS update, what is Boot Camp?  It is simply a Windows installer that can start the Windows installation process in the Mac OS (and it's also a hard drive partitioner).  Very very basic program.  Currently, there are no windows drivers for the iSight camera, automatic screen dimming, and the backlit keyboard.  

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Problem 2 has to do with how comprehensive bootcamp/parallels might be. Can I use peripherals and the internal dvd burner in both environments? Or would I need to find PC-version drivers for, say, the burner, and both types of drivers for every peripheral i bought in order to use it in both environments? also, can i partition an external hd down the middle and format 1/2 for pc, 1/2 for mac?

You can with both.  While Parallels is technically an emulator, it's not one in the traditional sense.  It runs at near Windows full speed, but it does not support the graphics card natively.  For your applications in CAD and graphics, you will want to use Boot Camp exclusively.  

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Problem 3 has to do with the use of keys over the mouse. As a result of one summer banking internship using a lot of excel, i discovered the joy of doing a lot of basic navigation and operations in Windows using a keyboard instead of a mouse, which I often find to be much faster and convenient than wheeling my mouse or finger around. For example, I think Mac borrowed from Windows the alt-TAB method of switching among programs. Also, if I want to minimize the window I am in, I just do alt-space-n. And if I have 10 docs open, each of which I want to print, save as, and then close, then just training my fingers to alt-F-P, then alt-F-A, then ctrl-W lets me get through those operations much more quickly (any batch or macro solutions notwithstanding). When bootcamp/parallels is running PC, does the Mac keyboard imitate the keys on a PC keyboard such that it can suit my keyboard-centered use? And, while I know that the Mac OS carries a lot of shortcuts (I still remember apple-I for Info and apple-W for close), does the OS have an additional level of functionality for its keyboard that matches that of what I find in windows?

When you're running Windows XP, your Mac is, for software purposes, indistinguishable from a Dell or HP.  Everything you can do on those computers can be done on the Mac running Windows.

OS X has a ton (possibly more) keyboard short cuts than XP.  It's also user programmable if you want more!  OS X even offers "Automator" in which you can create "work flows" to automatically accomplish ardeous time consuming tasks (e.g. changing 100 photographs from .bmp to .jpg and decreasing the size).
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 27, 2006, 01:42:48 PM
>>OS X even offers "Automator" in which you can create "work flows" to automatically accomplish ardeous time consuming tasks (e.g. changing 100 photographs from .bmp to .jpg and decreasing the size).<<

Whoa... that sounds AWESOME.  Man, I'm thinking back to how long it took to convert my 11x14 portfolio files into web-friendly images...

I want my Macbook to come!  I shoulda just bought it at the Apple store... total mistake. 
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 27, 2006, 02:13:30 PM
>>OS X even offers "Automator" in which you can create "work flows" to automatically accomplish ardeous time consuming tasks (e.g. changing 100 photographs from .bmp to .jpg and decreasing the size).<<

Whoa... that sounds AWESOME.  Man, I'm thinking back to how long it took to convert my 11x14 portfolio files into web-friendly images...

I want my Macbook to come!  I shoulda just bought it at the Apple store... total mistake. 


how long have you been waiting for it to come? I just ordered mine last night and the guy said it should arrive sometime next week...
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: thenextstep on July 27, 2006, 02:26:59 PM
Thank god for this thread because it has lots of great information... but y'all are making me jealous!  I wanna buy my Macbook now!!!  I have an ibook that I love dearly but we need another computer anyway and I need something with Windows for exams so we're planning on getting a Macbook.  However we cannot afford one until after we move and get student loans (no room on the credit card right now... at least not in addition to the home stuff we need).  I'm so jealous  :'(
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 27, 2006, 02:33:14 PM
>>OS X even offers "Automator" in which you can create "work flows" to automatically accomplish ardeous time consuming tasks (e.g. changing 100 photographs from .bmp to .jpg and decreasing the size).<<

Whoa... that sounds AWESOME.  Man, I'm thinking back to how long it took to convert my 11x14 portfolio files into web-friendly images...

I want my Macbook to come!  I shoulda just bought it at the Apple store... total mistake. 


how long have you been waiting for it to come? I just ordered mine last night and the guy said it should arrive sometime next week...

I ordered it last Friday, I think, and according to the website it's not arriving until August 2nd... and I paid for expedited shipping!  >:(

However, before I complain, I'll wait and see when it actually comes... my iPod arrived yesterday, and according to the order status it was gonna be here on Friday.   ::)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 27, 2006, 02:37:04 PM
Thank god for this thread because it has lots of great information... but y'all are making me jealous!  I wanna buy my Macbook now!!!  I have an ibook that I love dearly but we need another computer anyway and I need something with Windows for exams so we're planning on getting a Macbook.  However we cannot afford one until after we move and get student loans (no room on the credit card right now... at least not in addition to the home stuff we need).  I'm so jealous  :'(


do you *definitely* need Windows for exams? Make sure, because if not, you could just stick with the iBook which is an excellent computer
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: firant on July 27, 2006, 02:45:09 PM
do you *definitely* need Windows for exams? Make sure, because if not, you could just stick with the iBook which is an excellent computer

Just as a note, Secure Exam works on macs running OS X panther and higher. So if your school uses secure exam, you may not need XP at all. (do make sure they let you use the mac version.. would be bad to have the prof tell you PCs only on test day)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 27, 2006, 02:45:25 PM
>>OS X even offers "Automator" in which you can create "work flows" to automatically accomplish ardeous time consuming tasks (e.g. changing 100 photographs from .bmp to .jpg and decreasing the size).<<

Whoa... that sounds AWESOME.  Man, I'm thinking back to how long it took to convert my 11x14 portfolio files into web-friendly images...

I want my Macbook to come!  I shoulda just bought it at the Apple store... total mistake. 


how long have you been waiting for it to come? I just ordered mine last night and the guy said it should arrive sometime next week...

I ordered it last Friday, I think, and according to the website it's not arriving until August 2nd... and I paid for expedited shipping!  >:(

However, before I complain, I'll wait and see when it actually comes... my iPod arrived yesterday, and according to the order status it was gonna be here on Friday.   ::)





how strange! I just ordered it last night *without* expedited shipping, and it's scheduled to arrive on August 4th!!!

perhaps it has something to do with our locations?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on July 27, 2006, 02:48:25 PM
err...nevermind, I read the order status thing wrong. Mine is coming on the 7th.  :-[
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: thenextstep on July 27, 2006, 02:54:35 PM
do you *definitely* need Windows for exams? Make sure, because if not, you could just stick with the iBook which is an excellent computer

I do need Windows at Michigan, but either way we need to replace my husband's computer ASAP so we need to get another anyhow... and we LOVE our Mac so we definitely are getting another!  Just probably not until October, which is fine.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 28, 2006, 01:37:05 AM
Not everyone owns Photoshop.  Just sayin'

There's no such thing as a "native Safari spell checker."  The spell checker is OS X-wide, and can be accessed by right clicking on any word.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: loveless on July 28, 2006, 06:31:28 AM
err...nevermind, I read the order status thing wrong. Mine is coming on the 7th.  :-[

FYI, I ordered my MacBook on July 15, it shipped from China on the 23rd, arrived at my house yesterday. I played around with it for a half hour or so.

Seeing as I'm a musician of sorts, I'm glad I got this a month before law school starts because I can definetly see GarageBand stealing some of my life away.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on July 28, 2006, 09:02:49 AM
Not everyone owns Photoshop.  Just sayin'

There's no such thing as a "native Safari spell checker."  The spell checker is OS X-wide, and can be accessed by right clicking on any word.

I have it, but it's a reeeally old version... let's put it this way, I have to open up OS9 to use it.  Speaking of, I had question about that... is there any possibility of being able to use the program on my new Macbook without opening an old OS?  Is that what Rosetta does?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Kevin26.2 on July 28, 2006, 09:10:24 AM
err...nevermind, I read the order status thing wrong. Mine is coming on the 7th.  :-[

FYI, I ordered my MacBook on July 15, it shipped from China on the 23rd, arrived at my house yesterday. I played around with it for a half hour or so.

Seeing as I'm a musician of sorts, I'm glad I got this a month before law school starts because I can definetly see GarageBand stealing some of my life away.

GarageBand is so amazing. With some imagination and my old Casio keyboard, i've been making some fun stuff. now if i can just get this eBay seller to ship my new guitar soon, it'll be ON.
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: AZWildcat on July 28, 2006, 11:05:18 AM
Not everyone owns Photoshop.  Just sayin'

There's no such thing as a "native Safari spell checker."  The spell checker is OS X-wide, and can be accessed by right clicking on any word.

I have it, but it's a reeeally old version... let's put it this way, I have to open up OS9 to use it.  Speaking of, I had question about that... is there any possibility of being able to use the program on my new Macbook without opening an old OS?  Is that what Rosetta does?

Intel Macs cannot run OS 9. :(

Rosetta translates Power PC programs into Intel code.  (Under OS X)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: gch on August 01, 2006, 03:17:32 PM
For a limited time, Zengobi will be giving out a cool project management application called Curio for FREE (regular price is $39).  It's a Universal application so it supports the Intel Macs.  If you're interested, you can read all about it and sign up for a free license at the link provided below.


http://www.zengobi.com/products/curio/
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on August 02, 2006, 12:27:30 PM
Does anyone here know how I can transfer my files (like music and photos) from my old iBook to my new MacBook? 
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on August 02, 2006, 12:52:08 PM
Did you already go through the setup assistant?  The user guide says that there's a "Migration Assistant" to help do that if you already blew through the setup.

Mine just came this morning.  I'm trying to get to know it a little.

oh, awesome.  my macbook came but it's at my parents' house so i wont see it until this weekend.  i had no idea there would be a program built in. sounds great!  do i need any special cables or something? or is everything i need in the box?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: goodgal on August 02, 2006, 01:02:02 PM
It says to make sure:
your other mac has built-in firewire and supports firewire target disk mode
your other mac has osX v10.1 or later
you have a standard 6-pin to 6-pin firewire cable

That makes only a limited amount of sense to me; I assume its a Mac thing.   :D

it only makes limited sense to me, too  ;)  the only thing i'm not sure about is that 6pin firewire cable. i wonder if i have to buy that separately?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on August 02, 2006, 02:40:26 PM
I just got mine and I'm on it right now...it's gorgeous but will definitely take some getting used to! :)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: tangerine on August 03, 2006, 07:18:45 AM
Hey! What kind of virus protection do I need to get for my mac? I went to the apple store and they told me I didn't need anything, but, I feel like the school would require some sort of virus protection software for me to be able to log on to their wireless network. Anyone know? (I've never had a mac before, always PCs, so I have no idea). Thanks!
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: firant on August 03, 2006, 07:43:32 AM
Hey! What kind of virus protection do I need to get for my mac? I went to the apple store and they told me I didn't need anything, but, I feel like the school would require some sort of virus protection software for me to be able to log on to their wireless network. Anyone know? (I've never had a mac before, always PCs, so I have no idea). Thanks!

Welcome to a world without viruses. :)
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: Josef.K on August 03, 2006, 08:28:56 PM
hey did you buy a printer with yours?

I bought a printer and my macbook is just simply not recognizing it. I have tried two different USB cables, but still no luck; it's jut not connecting.


Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Official Mac Loyalty Thread
Post by: thenextstep on August 03, 2006, 08:58:45 PM
archival, I'm sure others have more suggestions but for a great deal of keyboard shortcuts coming from PC to mac, all you do is replace ctrl with the apple key and it works the same way more of the time, not all.  I personally haven't done too much wth iTunes but if no one else gets back to you, I'll check with my partner.