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Applying to Law School => Law School Admissions => Topic started by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 05:12:10 PM

Title: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 05:12:10 PM
UPDATED: DECEMBER 11, 2006

Okay, let's face it.  Applying to law school is a pain in the ass because there are a million and one different forms needed.

I thought it would be a good idea to brainstorm and come up with a checklist of every and any form that may be required by law schools for a file to go complete.

I will list a few that I can think of off the top of my head, wait for more suggestions, and add them as they come.  If anyone knows of specifics -- that is, School X requires Y form that no other school does -- list it anyway and I'll add it with a note beside it to demarcate the school. 

Let's hop to it!


So far, we've got:


Register for LSDAS

          Okay, the rest of this makes no sense without registration.  The earlier you register, the better.  Go to the LSAC website for more information.

Academic Transcript

          To procure, according to rtqw, "once you're signed up to LSDAS you can print out a form with your name and other information. You sign that form and then ask your school's registar's office to send a copy of your transcript along with that signed form to LSAC for processing."

          And, according to ....., "sending actual transcripts would be silly.  LSAC sends copies with your summary report--schools will know what classes you took."

Personal Statement

NOTE: For Yale, the 250 is the required personal statement.

HERE (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,77663.0.html) is a great thread providing links on the personal statement.  I checked them out -- they are good!  PLEASE read over these if you haven't started your PS yet.

Diversity Statement

          So far, we have:
                        
          This is about as good an explanation as you're ever going to see:

To those who have questions about diversity statements, this is a good prompt (one of U Mich's optional essays) that I posted on the other board:

How might your background and experience enhance the diversity of our student body or of the legal profession?  You might discuss perspectives or experiences relating to socioeconomic disadvantage, disability, race, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, sexual orientation or gender identity, or religious affiliation.  You might also discuss atypical career goals, employment history, educational background or special talents or skills.

The diversity statement speaks to what makes you different from the rest of the applying class.  It doesn't have to be about a specific experience or obstacles that you've overcome.

          IF YOU KNOW OF SCHOOLS THAT ASK FOR A DIVERSITY STATEMENT OR ALLOW ONE, PLEASE POST AND LET US KNOW!

Letters of Recommendation (2 required most likely, but 3-4 is good to have)

          Some schools ask for separate recommender forms.  Stanford is one such school.  Columbia also has a school recommended form.  IF YOU KNOW OF OTHERS, PLEASE LET US KNOW.

Resume

          This is useful for most applications, but some schools are very specific.  Thanks to MoniLi for the following list:
         
          For more information on resumes, or to join the debate on what they should contain, head to THIS THREAD (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,68079.0/topicseen.html).

Dean's Certification

          For more information and a list of schools that require Dean's Certification, go HERE (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,46044.0.html). 
          (That thread makes me miss some old posters, especially Jason240, who always wore his heart on his sleeve.  Paranoid as he was.  Also, it's very detailed.  Thanks rtqw for the link, even though I'm too stupid to notice it stickied right onto the forum  :D.)

          UPDATE: As of 2006/2007, applicants to Harvard will no longer need to provide certification for their file to be considered complete.  For more information, read Toby's blog posting (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/admissions/2006/07/27/fall-applications-coming-soon/).

Here's a good question from asdfgh:

What is a certification letter?

On the wisconsin-madison app it has this included at the end:

note: If you are applying electronically via LSAC, print out and sign your certification letter instead of signing this application.

Where is it? And do what with it then? I feel like this is probably a really stupid question, but...I'm asking anyways.

Bass's reply is helpful:

You will not find it on the application.  You will find it only once you've submitted.  Then you'll have access to it.  It's a form you'll print out and mail.

I was pretty confused by this sort of thing last year.

Addendum 

          This could be to explain:               
               
        U Penn actually prompts for a GPA/LSAT related addendum.

(THERE'S MORE -- CONTINUED ON NEXT POST...)
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: dusya4 on July 13, 2006, 05:17:20 PM
I didn't see not one school that requires 3 recommendations.
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 05:20:40 PM
THE LIST -- CONTINUED!

Statement of Purpose

          A few schools require these.  So far we have:
               
PLEASE POST IF YOU KNOW OF MORE SCHOOLS THAT DO.  WE WILL COMPILE A LIST.

Why X Essays

          So far, the schools we know that ask "Why Us?" are:
                         PLEASE POST AND ADD MORE IF YOU KNOW OF OTHERS THAT REQUIRE THIS ESSAY OR A STATEMENT OF PURPOSE.

Optional Essays (or means 1 of 2, and means that you can write more than one)
         
Lots and lots of $$$


What am I missing?  TELL ME!  We could all use this thread as a reference.  Instructions on how to achieve these objectives are also welcome -- dealing with your own university can be a pain in the ass as well.


Thanks to the following contributors:

rtqw
goosenesque
cassise
dusya4
GreyStreet
stevo87
paige84
Auelan
.....
r85
stotan12
mike245
Alamo
xkz
MoniLi
dcarealsattaker
diamondinthesky
madison07
Argh
goaliechica
szerena


A final word from GreyStreet (RIP):

Anyway, applying is really not as complicated as it sounds.  All you need to do is tailor your resume to the study of law (should be easy), then write a few general personal statements about why you want to go to law school (a diversity statement if applicable), and an addendum if it applies to you. (i.e. I had a M.I.P. my freshman year of college --- not a big deal at all) ... Apply before November and the rest will really take care of itself.

All I am saying is that it is good to be concerned in advance, but don’t sweat the small stuff.  I would again stress the importance of your LSAT score (you CAN help this) and your GPA (you CAN’T help this) above any of the aforementioned documents.  Just take it one step at a time, you will learn as you go.
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rtqw on July 13, 2006, 05:30:45 PM
Resume - if I remember correctly, of the schools I'm applying to, only Georgetown requires it, but many other schools invite you to submit one and some others allow you to submit a resume in lieu of completing application info about work experience. It seems that it is okay to submit an expanded resume for law school applications, so I'm working on creating a 1 1/2 page version of mine.

Dean's certification- I know Columbia requires one, I don't know which other schools (including the ones I'm applying to) require it as well.

Obviously addendums aren't required, but something to put on the checklist for those who need to explain something.

Edit: And although it's obvious, for the sake of creating a complete checklist you'll want LSAT score and processed transcript.
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 05:32:24 PM
Beautiful, thanks.

Addendums will be added to the list.  What sort of addendums are we looking at?
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 05:35:06 PM
Oh, also, how does one get Dean's Certification?  Instructions wouldn't be a bad idea on this page, either.  I will be adding instructions as people provide them.

Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rtqw on July 13, 2006, 05:38:40 PM
Beautiful, thanks.

Addendums will be added to the list.  What sort of addendums are we looking at?


I don't expect to write one, but I know other people do in order to explain low GPA (or low grades during a given period of time), low LSAT, or a minor criminal record.

Also, there are optional essays- some strongly reccomend that an applicant complete these, especially the 'Why Our Law School' essay.

As for reccomendations, all the schools I've looked at required at least one, most require two. I don't think I've seen any schools reccomend more than two (whether more than two is a good idea regardless, I'm not sure). I'd predict for the vast majority of applicants, two will be the minimum required by at least one of the schools they apply to. 
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rtqw on July 13, 2006, 05:44:17 PM
This thread (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,46044.0.html) has info on the Dean's certification. Cornell, Harvard, Stanford, BU, and some other schools require it.
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 05:45:39 PM
Again, you rule.  Thanks!
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: cassise on July 13, 2006, 07:00:38 PM
Statement of purpose for the very few schools that ask "why law school"

A collectiong of "why X essays (Penn, Michigan, etc).

LOTS OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 07:03:18 PM
Statement of purpose for the very few schools that ask "why law school"

A collectiong of "why X essays (Penn, Michigan, etc).

LOTS OF $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 :D :D :D

I'm so adding all of these.

Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: goosenesque on July 13, 2006, 07:15:50 PM
SMU requires the "why us" essay.  What the heck is a diversity statement?
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: GreyStreet on July 13, 2006, 07:29:03 PM
SMU's prompt said: "why do you want to study law in Dallas?"   *I also believe Pepperdine has one about why their religious values are important to you.

Anyway, applying is really not as complicated as it sounds.  All you need to do is tailor your resume to the study of law (should be easy), then write a few general personal statements about why you want to go to law school (a diversity statement if applicable), and an addendum if it applies to you. (i.e. I had a M.I.P. my freshman year of college --- not a big deal at all) ... Apply before November and the rest will really take care of itself.

All I am saying is that it is good to be concerned in advance, but don’t sweat the small stuff.  I would again stress the importance of your LSAT score (you CAN help this) and your GPA (you CAN’T help this) above any of the aforementioned documents.  Just take it one step at a time, you will learn as you go.

Note: essayedge.com is good if you are having trouble editing your P.S. or Resume.
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 07:37:50 PM
Actually, I recommend my own services for editing/proofreading.  I'm cheaper and I'm faster.

Also, I'm not really sweating this too much.  I just think a checklist is an awesome resource to have.  It's something that's lacking on LSD.

Thanks for all the information.  I'll modify accordingly.   ;D
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: dusya4 on July 13, 2006, 08:00:18 PM
Northwestern also has a "Why us" essay.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 08:04:42 PM
Thanks!  This list is starting to look pretty good.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Chandler Bing on July 13, 2006, 09:56:34 PM
Loyola Chicago has "Why Us" as one of their "optional" essays.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: spud1987 on July 13, 2006, 10:08:56 PM
You can also put on there registering for LSDAS and submitting your transcripts.  A lot of people neglect this until last minute and it causes them about a 2-3 week delay.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 13, 2006, 10:18:49 PM
Thanks for that, guys.  Duly noted.  I'm still not sure how academic transcripts would be procured, though.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Deez on July 13, 2006, 10:22:23 PM
Which of the T-20 schools explicitly require the Statement of Purpose?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rtqw on July 13, 2006, 10:37:39 PM
Thanks for that, guys.  Duly noted.  I'm still not sure how academic transcripts would be procured, though.


Once you're signed up to LSDAS you can print out a form with your name and other information. You sign that form and then ask your school's registar's office to send a copy of your transcript along with that signed form to LSAC for processing.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on July 13, 2006, 10:45:21 PM
Whore - Am I missing something? Did you list a completed application?

Also, some schools require (or ask for) separate recommender forms.  For example, Stanford stongly encourages using their form in addition to a letter.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Auelan on July 13, 2006, 11:41:30 PM
I believe Vanderbilt requires a statement of purpose essay in lieu of a personal statement. It's prompt is more focused on something along the lines of "Why do you want to study law?" rather than "Tell us interesting crap about yourself that we can use in deciding your fate".
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 01:00:01 AM
Thanks guys.  Noted.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 01:49:48 PM
BUMP

More help needed!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: r85 on July 14, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
Duke allows a Diversity Statement.  In addition to the required P.S., there's an optional essay which can focus on Diversity or an Academic element.

Berkeley asks for a Statement of Purpose.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 02:30:18 PM
Thanks!  I'll add that, too.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: spud1987 on July 14, 2006, 02:30:39 PM
Duke allows a Diversity Statement.  In addition to the required P.S., there's an optional essay which can focus on Diversity or an Academic element.

Berkeley asks for a Statement of Purpose.

I just checked Berkeley's application from last year and they don't require a statement of purpose (in fact, they don't even ask for it).  They do require a personal statement that can be about whatever you choose and should be no longer than 4 pages.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 02:31:57 PM
You're sure about that?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: spud1987 on July 14, 2006, 02:41:37 PM
You're sure about that?


Ya, I'm pretty obsessed about Boalt (it's my #1 choice) so I've been going over their website and application and I've never come across anything about a statement of purpose.  They are infamous for their 4 page PS though.  If someone can supply a link about a statement of purpose that would be great.  
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Einstein on July 14, 2006, 02:42:06 PM
What about sending your actual transcripts from your universities.  These would be the transcripts that actually have the classes that you took on them.  I think this would be important if you took classes that were either hard or outside your major.  

My university charges $7 per transcript... highway robbery if you ask me.. it's just paper and ink people.. and I already paid you thousands in tuition while i was there for 6 years.. lol..
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 02:54:35 PM
I think that's a good question, but you need to be more specific.  What are you trying to figure out?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 02:58:28 PM
Thanks guys.  I've updated the OP.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: 245 on July 14, 2006, 03:03:25 PM
Georgetown and Penn also have an optional diversity essay.

Columbia has school recommended recommendation forms.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 03:14:08 PM
Thanks man.  Duly noted.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on July 14, 2006, 04:14:57 PM
sending actual transcripts would be silly.  lsac sends copies with your summary report--schools will know what classes you took.

Also, it seems this thread lacks focus.  Is it stuff you need to go complete, or is it all the crap you could think of sending.  If it's the latter, I'll add zuchini bread and the soundtrack to big momma's house.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 14, 2006, 04:21:05 PM
sending actual transcripts would be silly.  lsac sends copies with your summary report--schools will know what classes you took.

Also, it seems this thread lacks focus.  Is it stuff you need to go complete, or is it all the crap you could think of sending.  If it's the latter, I'll add zuchini bread and the soundtrack to big momma's house.


All the stuff you could potentially need to go complete.  This is a check-all list -- if something is potentially required or accepted and will be beneficial to your application, it is going to be listed on this thread.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: r85 on July 14, 2006, 06:30:27 PM
You're sure about that?


Ya, I'm pretty obsessed about Boalt (it's my #1 choice) so I've been going over their website and application and I've never come across anything about a statement of purpose.  They are infamous for their 4 page PS though.  If someone can supply a link about a statement of purpose that would be great. 

Yeah, that was my mistake. You're right.  Sorry about that - I wasn't looking at the right section.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: spud1987 on July 14, 2006, 07:13:51 PM
You're sure about that?


Ya, I'm pretty obsessed about Boalt (it's my #1 choice) so I've been going over their website and application and I've never come across anything about a statement of purpose.  They are infamous for their 4 page PS though.  If someone can supply a link about a statement of purpose that would be great. 


Yeah, that was my mistake. You're right.  Sorry about that - I wasn't looking at the right section.

No problem.  I kind of wish they had a statement of purpose, or even better, a why boalt essay. 
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: dusya4 on July 14, 2006, 07:28:53 PM
As far as these optional essays like Diversity Statement and Statement of Purpose, if the school doesn't ask for one is it a bad idea to send it? I saw some people on LSD that sent a full blown package of essays to every school whether they ask for it or not. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 15, 2006, 03:19:04 AM
Good question.  I'm curious as well.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 15, 2006, 03:41:59 PM
Anyone know?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rtqw on July 15, 2006, 06:20:56 PM
Anyone know?

I'm inclined to think that as long as it's well-written and relevant to the application, it won't hurt you. It probably won't help you much, but I don't think it would hurt you, unless you were explicitly told not to submit additional essays.

With that said, I'm not sure how much value there in a unsolicited Statement of Purpose. I think very few of us can write a Statement of Purpose that would help us standout- most of us don't have unique reasons for going into law. Law is a broad profession, people go in with one idea with the type of lawyer they want to be and end up as another type. Furthermore, the average applicant has an incomplete idea of what the legal field is really like. I think these two factors make it very difficult for most people to write a good Statement of Purpose. They'd probably be spending time better spent on crafting a better personal statement.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 15, 2006, 06:25:47 PM
That makes sense.  I agree with your opinion regarding Statements of Purpose.  It just seems somewhat reversed -- you have virtually no experience with law (and probably no education in it), and now you want to tell this law school that you already know "what's good for you"?  Very few candidates will qualify for a sincere and adequate Statement of Purpose, unless that Stat o' Purp is specifically prompted by the school.

I've always thought Diversity Statements couldn't hurt unless the school stated explicitly that they wouldn't consider anything but the required materials.  If so, sending one in would probably just irk the adcomms -- "Look at this guy -- he can't even follow simple orders."
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rtqw on July 15, 2006, 06:38:05 PM

Academic Transcript

          To procure, according to rtqw, "once you're signed up to LSDAS you can print out a form with your name and other information. You sign that form and then ask your school's registar's office to send a copy of your transcript along with that signed form to LSAC for processing."

          According to ....., however, "sending actual transcripts would be silly.  lsac sends copies with your summary report--schools will know what classes you took."

          SO WHICH ONE IS IT?  TELL US!

I don't think this is a contradiction. I think ..... meant that sending actual transcripts to the school itself would be silly. It's unnecessary because you send a transcript to LSAC and they send a summary report with the standardized GPA and all that fun stuff to the schools you apply to.

I signed up for LSDAS this week and those are the directions I've been given. No school I'm looking into asks for transcripts (other than the LSDAS report).
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 16, 2006, 03:30:53 AM
Sweet.  Done and done.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Alamo on July 16, 2006, 05:44:25 AM
William & Mary asks you to write an essay to "describe an event in your life of which you are especially proud."

It also requests an optional essay on one of 4 things: Institute of Bill of Rights Law, Courtroom 21, Law Library, or George Wythe Society of Citizen Lawyers.

I actually ended up not applying because the school's application was so weird, and I received an acceptance from a higher choice school of mine before I got my act together enough to apply there.

Opinions may vary as to whether optional essays are really optional, but I would really recommend writing a page or two any chance you get.  It's an opportunity to showcase your writing abilities, and also to give your application a little extra bump if you're not an auto-admit.  Even if your numbers are auto-admittable for a school, you're more likely to get waitlisted by a school, which may assume they're just your safety and could waitlist you to yield-protect.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 16, 2006, 02:01:22 PM
Thanks for that.  I put the information under Personal Statement for future applicants.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 16, 2006, 08:43:09 PM
Keep 'em comin', folks.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 17, 2006, 12:14:14 AM
Bump.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: pikey on July 17, 2006, 08:12:10 AM
To clarify on William and Mary:
     
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: spud1987 on July 17, 2006, 09:11:32 AM
I have a question.  If I'm a white, middle class, male coming straight from college do I have to write a diversity essay?  It doesn't seem like I could write too much for an essay like this.  I've had some unique experiences but I honestly don't think their worthy of a diversity statement. 
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Lorelai Gilmore on July 17, 2006, 09:19:13 AM
To jump onto the last thread.  Is there a difference btwn a personal statement and diversity statement if the personal statement topic is broad, such as describe a life experience that has molded you to want to become a lawyer?  In that case, can't we just write an experience that makes us different with a lawyer spin?  Or is a diversity statement about getting through obstacles?  I'm a little confused on it.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: pikey on July 17, 2006, 11:37:48 AM
To those who have questions about diversity statements, this is a good prompt (one of U Mich's optional essays) that I posted on the other board:

How might your background and experience enhance the diversity of our student body or of the legal profession?  You might discuss perspectives or experiences relating to socioeconomic disadvantage, disability, race, ethnicity, national origin, age, gender, sexual orientation or gender identity, or religious affiliation.  You might also discuss atypical career goals, employment history, educational background or special talents or skills.

The diversity statement speaks to what makes you different from the rest of the applying class.  It doesn't have to be about a specific experience or obstacles that you've overcome.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: pikey on July 17, 2006, 11:50:09 AM
Here's some of the stuff that I've researched for my apps:

Resumes
Columbia: Recommended
Duke: Required
GWU: Optional
Georgetown: Required
NYU: Optional
Northwestern: Required
University of Chicago: Required
University of Florida: Required
UVA: Optional
Vanderbilt: Optional

Optional Essays (or means 1 of 2, and means that you can write more than one)
Duke: Diversity statement or "Academic essay"
Georgetown: Diversity Statement
NYU: Brief statement to discuss your ethnic/racial/cultural identity.  Also invite you to submit any relevant additional info.
Northwestern: Diversity Statement and Why Northwestern
Tulane: Diversoty Statement
University of Michigan: 1 or 2 of 7
U Penn: Why Penn and Diversity Statement and GPA/LSAT not reflecting your ability
Wake Forest: Diversity Statement
Yale: 250 (NOT OPTIONAL)


Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: xk on July 17, 2006, 12:24:59 PM
Northwestern:

Why us and Diversity essays are only suppose to be one paragraph

You'd probably want to interview with them as well...

NYU:

RTK and other public interest scholarships require a seperate letter of recommendation and a 750 word essay discussing you commitment to public interest work

Minnesota:

Statement of Purpose

"As you prepare a statement, you should consider commenting on why you wish to obtain a law degree and, in particular, why you are interested in the University of Minnesota."

Yale:

Personal Statement is Optional


Named Scholarships for the T-14

Michigan:

Darrow (up to full tuition and stipend)
Invitation to Apply, additional essay (why you want a law degree, I think)

Columbia:

Hamilton (full tuition)
Automatically considered

Sharp (full tuition and stipend)
Automatically considered, interview

NYU

RTK, Furman, An-Bryce too many to name.  See the link:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/depts/financialaid/aid/scholarshipprog.html

I think several of the scholarships are run through the RTK program, which means that those interest should write the 750 words PI essay and get the additional letter of recommendation.

Georgetown:

Dean's Award (full tuition, I think)
Invitation to Apply, additional essay

Duke:

Mordicai (sp?)
Invitation to Apply, additional essay, interview (I think)

Penn:

Levy (2/3 tuition)
Invitation to Apply, additional essay, interview

Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: pikey on July 17, 2006, 12:41:07 PM

Yale:

Personal Statement is Optional


Don't kid yourself.  I doubt very many people get into Yale who don't send in a personal statement.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: xk on July 17, 2006, 12:44:44 PM

Yale:

Personal Statement is Optional


Don't kid yourself.  I doubt very many people get into Yale who don't send in a personal statement.

I didn't say I wasn't going to send one.  The OP's post was regarding what you needed to do to go complete, and you don't need a personal statement to do that at Yale. 
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: dcarealsattaker on July 17, 2006, 12:45:23 PM
Washington University (St. Louis) has a place in its application for a "Why WUSTL?" essay.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 17, 2006, 01:33:08 PM
Moni and xkz, you guys officially rule.  That's a whole lotta editing I gotta do.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on July 17, 2006, 02:36:09 PM
At YLS, the PS is optional, but the 250-word essay (short ps?) is NOT optional.  I can imagine people getting in without the former, but not the latter.

As for diversity statements, they are not required of middle-class white males.  I didn't even think of writing one (though in retrospect, I could have).  It didn't make a difference for me.  While they aren't required, a good one might make a difference. 
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: madison07 on July 17, 2006, 10:01:55 PM
Wisconsin asks for a Statement of Purpose.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 17, 2006, 10:09:51 PM
Thanks again!  I'll add that.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 18, 2006, 01:09:02 PM
BUMP!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on July 18, 2006, 09:11:53 PM
MaraudingJ, thanks for putting this together (even though you called me retarded like a week ago ;) - we coo'). Anyway, just wanted to say you've got G-town on the diversity statement list twice.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 18, 2006, 09:54:17 PM
Thanks!

And, just so you know, as far as I'm concerned, everyone's retarded in his or her own special way.   :D
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: xk on July 19, 2006, 08:23:36 AM
This line between statement of purpose and personal statement is very burry.  Ideally, you’d probably want an essay that does both.  If that’s not possible, it may be better to lean towards statement of purpose.  It seems to me that despite law schools insistence that they don’t want another “Why I want to be a lawyer?” personal statement, many actually want that exact question answered.

According to Montauk (2004):

“It’s always good to see an applicant who knows what he or she intends to do in the future, based upon solid evidence.”  Georgetown Admissions

“The question we’re always asking ourselves when we read their files is, ‘Why law school?’  If we don’t have a clear understanding of why, it is difficult to make a strong case for admission…  If we don’t understand why law school, and why now, that admissions offer may not come since we are looking for clarity and focus at this point.  This is true even for someone with a very strong undergraduate record and ninety-ninth percentile LSAT scores.”  Stanford Admissions

“When I read an essay I ask myself, ‘What does the applicant know about himself and about law that leads him to think that this is the direction he wants to go in?’  I want to be sure that choosing law has been  thoughtful decision, not a reflexive one.”  Columbia Admissions


Should you write statement of purpose essays for these schools?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: dusya4 on July 19, 2006, 08:30:13 AM
This line between statement of purpose and personal statement is very burry.  Ideally, you’d probably want an essay that does both.  If that’s not possible, it may be better to lean towards statement of purpose.  It seems to me that despite law schools insistence that they don’t want another “Why I want to be a lawyer?” personal statement, many actually want that exact question answered.

According to Montauk (2004):

“It’s always good to see an applicant who knows what he or she intends to do in the future, based upon solid evidence.”  Georgetown Admissions

“The question we’re always asking ourselves when we read their files is, ‘Why law school?’  If we don’t have a clear understanding of why, it is difficult to make a strong case for admission…  If we don’t understand why law school, and why now, that admissions offer may not come since we are looking for clarity and focus at this point.  This is true even for someone with a very strong undergraduate record and ninety-ninth percentile LSAT scores.”  Stanford Admissions

“When I read an essay I ask myself, ‘What does the applicant know about himself and about law that leads him to think that this is the direction he wants to go in?’  I want to be sure that choosing law has been  thoughtful decision, not a reflexive one.”  Columbia Admissions


Should you write statement of purpose essays for these schools?


I think it's also possible to convey your interest in law school through your LORs if the relationship with the recommender is such that you feel comfortable telling him/her to fill that gap. That's the route I decided to take.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: pikey on July 19, 2006, 09:28:40 AM
This line between statement of purpose and personal statement is very burry.  Ideally, you’d probably want an essay that does both.  If that’s not possible, it may be better to lean towards statement of purpose.  It seems to me that despite law schools insistence that they don’t want another “Why I want to be a lawyer?” personal statement, many actually want that exact question answered.

According to Montauk (2004):

“It’s always good to see an applicant who knows what he or she intends to do in the future, based upon solid evidence.”  Georgetown Admissions

“The question we’re always asking ourselves when we read their files is, ‘Why law school?’  If we don’t have a clear understanding of why, it is difficult to make a strong case for admission…  If we don’t understand why law school, and why now, that admissions offer may not come since we are looking for clarity and focus at this point.  This is true even for someone with a very strong undergraduate record and ninety-ninth percentile LSAT scores.”  Stanford Admissions

“When I read an essay I ask myself, ‘What does the applicant know about himself and about law that leads him to think that this is the direction he wants to go in?’  I want to be sure that choosing law has been  thoughtful decision, not a reflexive one.”  Columbia Admissions


Should you write statement of purpose essays for these schools?


If that was the 2004 version of the book, that means he talked to the admissions people in 2003 or before.  I'm not sure that this is necessarily true today.  A lot of the evidence seems to point to admissions people wanting the ps to say why the person is 'special' and to think i like this person when they finish it.

I think the bolded part is key.  Most applicants (esp those coming straight from undergrad) don't have any solid evidence of what they intend to do in the future.  They often don't have any legal experience at all, and those who want to practice in a specific area often don't have any experience in that area.

I would touch on it if it fits in with what you want your ps to say, but definitely don't make your entire ps a statement of intent or force it in if it doesn't work.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 19, 2006, 06:25:42 PM
I think honesty and sincerity is key here.

If you have a great law-related reason to study law, then say so.  If you don't, then don't.  Whatever you do, just don't pretend like you know a lot about the law (except for those few cases where you actually might).  Why would they want you as a student when you already know everything?  You'll just look pretentious and, most likely, get something wrong and look damn foolish as well.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 20, 2006, 03:51:49 PM
BUMP.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 21, 2006, 11:41:41 AM
And BUMP again.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: r85 on July 21, 2006, 01:36:48 PM
Cornell has this on their app for last year:

"In making admissions decisions, we give consideration, among other things, to diversity factors (including but not limited to racial or ethnic group identification, cultural, linguistic or economic group; sexual orientation; or other factors), obstacles that applicants have overcome, and/or discrimination that you have experienced. If you
choose, please submit a separate statement (in addition to the required personal statement) discussing any or all of these issues to the extent they apply to you."

So, I suppose you could consider this a diversity statement or an "additional statement."
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 25, 2006, 02:23:10 AM
Thanks!  I added this.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Osmosis1 on July 25, 2006, 03:25:46 PM
Maybe I missed it but any info on UOP - McGeorge?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 25, 2006, 03:30:37 PM
No, but it would be awesome if you could get some.  I'll probably have some by next week myself, since I'm registering for LSDAS tomorrow and UoP is on my list of potential schools.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 25, 2006, 07:50:24 PM
BUMP.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Deez on July 25, 2006, 11:06:09 PM
Dude. Take a deep breath. Now exhale. You may now relax.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 26, 2006, 12:01:48 AM
If you're suggesting that I'm anal or paranoid for starting this thread, you've probably never read a single one of my posts.

This is a thread for everyone.  It's not me whining and worrying.  I'm laid back about the whole applications cycle.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on July 26, 2006, 08:41:41 AM
Bump this you piece of poo.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 27, 2006, 03:01:46 PM
Well, why don't you add to it some more?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on July 28, 2006, 05:37:23 AM
Toby's recent blog entry states that HLS will no longer require college certifications this year, but they will require a resume.  He plans to post samples/models of such resumes.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 28, 2006, 12:54:54 PM
You can confirm this?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on July 28, 2006, 03:16:18 PM
You can confirm this?

Umm... yea if you click this link (http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/admissions/2006/07/27/fall-applications-coming-soon/)
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on July 28, 2006, 03:17:43 PM
Incidentally, you can call me bass instead of .... in the acknowledgements.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on July 28, 2006, 05:01:28 PM
Actually, I've intentionally kept the ..... all along just to annoy you.   :D
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 04, 2006, 07:33:57 PM
Bump for .....
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on August 04, 2006, 10:06:43 PM
Bump for .....

.... for Whore
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 04, 2006, 10:56:05 PM
Actually, I've intentionally kept the ..... all along just to annoy you.   :D
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Deez on August 05, 2006, 04:09:58 PM
Can we get this stickied by a MOD?  And a new mailcall sticky for 06-07...
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 05, 2006, 09:01:25 PM
I'm a big fan of that suggestion.

Official Rodent of the OPC?  dave?  Brave?  Anyone?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Deez on August 06, 2006, 03:22:17 PM
Sticky this.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Deez on August 07, 2006, 09:53:04 PM
Sticky this... We need new mods for this cycle. 
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: cassise on August 09, 2006, 02:53:29 PM
Sticky please.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on August 09, 2006, 04:25:59 PM
Sticky please.

Probably easiest to PM a mod, since the mods may or may not be paying attention to this particular thread.  Try groundhog or daveman.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 09, 2006, 05:14:18 PM
Sticky please.

Probably easiest to PM a mod, since the mods may or may not be paying attention to this particular thread.  Try groundhog or daveman.

I did that a while ago.  Still waiting on a response.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Groundhog on August 10, 2006, 10:08:18 PM
Sorry, I've been moving in and out of my apartment...it seems life never gets less hectic, it just takes a breather.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 11, 2006, 12:01:54 AM
U R TEH BESTZORZ
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 11, 2006, 01:44:26 AM
Hey, I thought this was stickied!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: polaris on August 11, 2006, 01:47:24 AM
THANK YOU, to everyone here who has contributed to this great thread.  I has brought my OCD somewhat under control.  I'm sorry I have nothing to add at the moment but I will happily contribute whatever I can in the months to come. ;D

Maybe a little off topic.. but will turning apps in before November make a GREAT deal more difference? Or would it be better to wait until Dec until my fall qtr grades come out, thereby bumping my GPA even the slightest bit?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 11, 2006, 01:53:24 AM
The best thing to do is to send in during November and then just update your transcript at the end of December.

That's what I'm doing, so we'll sink or swim together if you follow my advice.   :D
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: go.ph. on August 11, 2006, 01:07:46 PM

As far as I can tell, Wisconsin DOES NOT ask for a statement of purpose.  It's a regular personal statement prompt (no 'why law' or 'why us').  Someone on this thread said that it did, so if I'm missing something...let me know...
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 11, 2006, 02:39:20 PM
What exactly is the prompt?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: go.ph. on August 12, 2006, 07:45:23 PM
The Wisconsin prompt is:

'Please include a double-spaced, two-three page personal statement. A carefully prepared personal statement telling us about yourself and reflecting our admission criteria, which are described on our website and in our publication, Law at Wisconsin, are very helpful to the Admissions Committee.  Include any special factors, problems, plans, explanations, or additional information that you think might help the Law School in acting on your application.'

It doesn't sound quite as open as some of the other prompts, but I wouldn't call it a statement of purpose prompt either.  If I'm wrong on this assumption please let me know!  I suppose the 'reflecting our admission criteria' might imply something else? 

I'd still call it a regular personal statement prompt though.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Emilia on August 14, 2006, 11:04:57 AM
This is great information!  Thanks.

I believe Boalt has an optional diversity statement, but now that I'm looking for the exact wording I can't find it on the website.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 17, 2006, 04:23:47 PM
BUMP (since it hasn't been stickied yet  >:( ).

Also, I haven't updated the last few posts yet.  I'll do so this weekend.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Groundhog on August 17, 2006, 07:55:12 PM
I stickied it, but it became unstickied, so...
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 18, 2006, 06:46:56 PM
But WHY, damn you?  WHY?!!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: StudentUVA on August 18, 2006, 07:47:59 PM
Good thread.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 19, 2006, 03:54:22 AM
No *&^%!  Begs the question: why isn't this stickied?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Groundhog on August 19, 2006, 03:44:18 PM
I don't know. Apparently, someone didn't want it stickied, because I did it when I posted a page or so back.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 19, 2006, 04:31:20 PM
Andrew, perhaps?  Or Brave?  Who would do such a thing?  Would they PM me about it at least?  ARRRGH!!!

Thanks for trying, though.  I appreciate it, GH.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on August 19, 2006, 04:34:36 PM
I doubt.  I just don't see why Andrew would unsticky my thread.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Groundhog on August 19, 2006, 08:15:42 PM
Once more unto the breach...
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rtqw on August 23, 2006, 10:22:53 AM
A few things..

Might want to clarify the Michigan optional essay bullet point in the 'Optional essay' section - it's optional to do any of them and you're not required to do 1 or 2 (but they limit to you at 2 at most). They also allow you to substitute a topic of your own choosing for one of the topics.

I don't think the Yale 250 is techincally optional - the prompt for this question leads me to believe it is required. The Yale application doesn't expressly ask for a personal statement though, they ask in question 10 to add any addtional material that may help them make a decision and note that many applicants include the personal statement they wrote for other LS apps.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on August 23, 2006, 02:24:15 PM
Actually stickied!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: asdfgh on August 24, 2006, 02:30:09 PM
What is a certification letter?

On the wisconsin-madison app it has this included at the end:

note: If you are applying electronically via LSAC, print out and sign your certification letter instead of signing this application.

Where is it? And do what with it then? I feel like this is probably a really stupid question, but...I'm asking anyways.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bass on August 24, 2006, 02:41:15 PM
What is a certification letter?

On the wisconsin-madison app it has this included at the end:

note: If you are applying electronically via LSAC, print out and sign your certification letter instead of signing this application.

Where is it? And do what with it then? I feel like this is probably a really stupid question, but...I'm asking anyways.

You will not find it on the application.  You will find it only once you've submitted.  Then you'll have access to it.  It's a form you'll print out and mail.

I was pretty confused by this sort of thing last year.
Title: the yale 250 is NOT "technically optional"
Post by: rena123 on September 10, 2006, 01:05:12 PM
the yale 250 is not optional.  it is required.  what is optional for yale is a personal statement aside from the 250.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: pikey on September 20, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
Columbia allows additional info such as a ds or why columbia essay.  Taken from their faqs:

Can I submit an addendum or additional written materials along with my application?   

A: Yes. The Admissions Committee believes that candidates should be able to expand upon aspects of their candidacy that are otherwise not represented in the required materials. Some examples include diversity statements, statements of strong interest in Columbia, explanations of undergraduate and/or LSAT performance, etc. We strongly suggest that applicants use their best judgment, in terms of content and length, when considering the submission of supplemental materials.   
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on October 06, 2006, 01:25:00 PM
This baby's finally been updated, folks.  I hope this is in time for those of you who are wrapping up applications pre-Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: shitay on October 11, 2006, 12:54:29 AM
So I've been looking at the online apps for Northwestern and U Penn and they both have an additional Recommendation form to go along w/ your LOR.  Most schools say they don't require this if you are using the LSAC Rec Service but Northwestern and UPenn don't have such a note.  Anyone know anything about this? Think I can just apply w/o this "supplemental forms," turn in the LOR through the LSAC Service and still go complete? 
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: daydreamer on October 25, 2006, 11:04:24 AM
the list on the first page of diversity statements- not all of those are REQUIRED, right?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on October 25, 2006, 01:25:09 PM
Good point.  I thought I had this up there: as far as I know, diversity statements are never required, but often encouraged.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Bricker85 on October 26, 2006, 01:03:53 PM
Thanks for this informative thread!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: skeeball on October 26, 2006, 01:24:54 PM
I think you should add "lots and lots of time and patience" to the list.

I know that most people wouldn't spread the app process out over as long a period as I have, but it's taken an enormous amount of stress out of the process for me. I read so many posts about stressing out over the timing of recommendations, the processing of transcripts, etc--these are issues I've never had to worry about.

If you are a college junior or senior thinking about law school but planning on taking a year or so off...GET YOUR ACADEMIC RECOMMENDATIONS NOW!!! And then send your trascript in like March or April, when nobody else is applying.

Think long and hard about your LSAT prep and PS writing strategy. Is there anything you can do to limit the amount of stuff going on in your life while you prep for the LSAT? DO IT. It's amazing how quickly the weeks before the exam slip by. If you'll still be in school when it's time to take the fall LSAT, then start studying for it in like, JUNE. That would be a good time to start thinking about PS topics.

I know my numbers don't give me much street cred, but I've been on this board for a year and a half and seen damn near everything.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bandaidstick on October 27, 2006, 08:23:58 AM
I guess I'm not going to Stanford - I sent the Dean's form, but didn't ask each of my recommenders to send AN ADDITIONAL form just for Stanford. They won't request rec letters from LSDAS? Thats messed up imo. Oh well, they can do what they want and be selective I guess. Good luck all!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: WeeSqueak on October 31, 2006, 11:52:23 AM
Cornell also has a little Why Cornell question embedded in the application itself.  You get about 3 lines to answer.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on October 31, 2006, 02:38:54 PM
Good point.  We're looking for essays, though.  I might make an "application" section that deals with these little details at some point, but not just yet.  I need more oddities from other applications.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Pugnacious on November 04, 2006, 11:45:49 AM
I guess I'm not going to Stanford - I sent the Dean's form, but didn't ask each of my recommenders to send AN ADDITIONAL form just for Stanford. They won't request rec letters from LSDAS? Thats messed up imo. Oh well, they can do what they want and be selective I guess. Good luck all!

They'll take your LOR from LSDAS, they just "prefer" their own form, that's all.
Title: Re: What Do I Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: «ě» on November 16, 2006, 08:00:05 PM
I didn't see not one school that requires 3 recommendations.
This is probably old news, but FIU demands 3 recommendations.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FossilJ on December 11, 2006, 02:37:18 AM
This thread has been partly updated.  Look for a more thorough update through the Christmas holidays.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: coffeelovin25 on December 25, 2006, 11:00:39 PM
For William & Mary's optional essay (re: an event that you are especially proud of)-- would it be a bad idea to discuss in greater detail an event mentioned in the personal statement?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bamf on December 29, 2006, 09:50:00 AM
For William & Mary's optional essay (re: an event that you are especially proud of)-- would it be a bad idea to discuss in greater detail an event mentioned in the personal statement?

I did
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: wannabe1 on February 15, 2007, 09:14:57 AM
I learned a couple of days ago that you need toefl for Maryland to go complete

(for those of you who are required to take toefl)
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Katie08 on May 30, 2007, 02:05:12 PM
tag
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Astro on July 31, 2007, 02:22:12 PM
Personally, I need adequate manual, oral, and prostate stimulation to truly "go complete", but I think this is different for everyone.  Just be sure to provide adequate warm-up before the main event -- this area is often neglected.  :-[


::completes you::
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: country girl on September 27, 2007, 07:38:44 PM
Is it okay to include a GPA addendum if the application says nothing about including one?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: smith555 on September 27, 2007, 10:31:14 PM
I'm done the applications but I'm still waiting transcripts to arrive at LSAC. Do I apply now or wait?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: pikey on November 15, 2007, 09:32:40 AM
question..

do i need an addendum for why i don't have an LOR from my current employer? i just graduated in august, and i've been working for less than 4 mths.

i was just going to add one, but then i realized i would have 3 addenda (one is for leave of absence due to an internship, one for why my weird-ass school's name changes depending on the type of document submitted).


p.s. i hate 'why us?' essays and i hope they die.  :'(

No. They understand.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Astro on November 17, 2007, 02:12:32 PM
question..

do i need an addendum for why i don't have an LOR from my current employer? i just graduated in august, and i've been working for less than 4 mths.

i was just going to add one, but then i realized i would have 3 addenda (one is for leave of absence due to an internship, one for why my weird-ass school's name changes depending on the type of document submitted).


p.s. i hate 'why us?' essays and i hope they die.  :'(


Seriously, chill the @#!* out.   :D

People stress out way too much.  They don't care about an LoR from your current employer.  Your other LoRs will be more than enough.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: lalalagirl007 on December 08, 2007, 06:31:29 PM
Dec '07 LSAT score, then I'll be complete!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Bananas, Melonas, Yeah on December 12, 2007, 12:31:18 AM
so I applied to a school and I submitted everything, etc. In the electronic apps section there is a date already listed under the 'Paper Copy' section. Does this mean that my application is complete? They don't require any extra stuff (dean's cert, etc.) so there's nothing left to turn in. Should I call and ask or just wait for some kind of e-mail?

The paper copy date is the date that the school received a physical copy of your report.  If everything is there, the individual school will let you know that you're complete via email.  You don't need to call or do anything.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: rolen27 on December 23, 2007, 02:57:34 PM
I don't know much about the process so I just had a quick question:
What is the purpose of a resume? Wouldn't you just be repeating everything from your applications?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Bananas, Melonas, Yeah on January 02, 2008, 12:22:05 PM
are there any schools that you have to use their recommendation forms for? I intend on applying to Cornell and their application has a specific form, I wasn't sure if I could just send in a generic transcript off of LSDAS or not. What have others done?

Not sure about Cornell, but Stanford has their own specific form, which was not necessary.  Unless it's a school-specific letter, LSAC is fine.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FLgirl07 on February 11, 2008, 05:47:39 PM
Did you guys get an email from GW about completion status?  I haven't received anything from them.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: ilove on April 19, 2008, 02:36:36 AM
I have a question. 

I am applying this fall for admission next year.  I would like to start working on my PS/diversity statements/optional essays etc etc. right now and I am wondering if the prompts change from year-to-year.  I am wondering if I can start writing them using the prompts currently available on each school's website.
I wouldn't want to have them written up and proofread to perfection only to find out that a school changed the format of these portions of admissions.

thanks in advance.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: privateeye on August 28, 2008, 04:21:22 AM
I got in to Santa Monica without a resume. They asked for one but I didn't add it in the application and it was good. You should try it.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: J.J. Gittes on August 31, 2008, 09:23:28 PM
quick question regarding resumes and "going complete" (as i'm very new to lsd). if i'm applying to schools online, can my  resume be uploaded via lsdas, or do they have to be sent to the schools themselves via mail?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: MauveAvenger on August 31, 2008, 09:26:52 PM
they can be uploaded along with your personal statement, addendum, etc.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: J.J. Gittes on August 31, 2008, 09:32:05 PM
they can be uploaded along with your personal statement, addendum, etc.

nice, thanks.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: jumbo07 on September 19, 2008, 03:34:05 PM
I think I know the answer to this, and I apologize if it's been covered, but is it OK to submin the application forms before LSAC has received all letters of recommendation? This has to be a "yes," right?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: augusta on September 21, 2008, 09:07:56 PM
Yes. Your file just won't be complete, or reviewed, til the LORs come in.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: blueskies6 on October 20, 2008, 04:42:16 PM
yeah, that's new this year
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Legally Brown "Sugah" on October 20, 2008, 04:50:17 PM
Is anyone writing it?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: blueskies6 on October 20, 2008, 04:51:09 PM
I did

eta: well kinda...I used an essay I used last year for 1 school
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Gone on October 20, 2008, 07:42:33 PM
I'm still trying to find one that doesn't make me look shallow....
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: blueskies6 on October 20, 2008, 07:43:55 PM
haha  :D
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: kennedyposter on October 26, 2008, 04:31:55 PM
I've noticed most Jesuit law schools require "why X".
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: blueskies6 on October 26, 2008, 06:40:50 PM
I've noticed most Jesuit law schools require "why X".

BC does?  That's the first Jesuit school that comes to my mind, and I don't remember seeing a why X option, much less requirement.
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: Gone on October 26, 2008, 06:59:25 PM
Georgetown does?
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: hopeful87 on January 08, 2009, 11:14:03 AM
Cornell is killing me...app sent end of November...DC sent shortly after yet my status checker still says applied...I've called and they're like "we have sooo much mail, it's probably around here."  I'm just worried that my DC could have gotten lost in th email or something and I won't find out till Feb. aaahhhh!!
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: FortheDefense on May 11, 2009, 12:57:04 PM
Ok I have registered with the LSAC...and have both academic references entered into LSAC. I am sending the transcript requests this week (I went to 3 different undergrad schools). Next on my list is to register for the Sep LSAT. Am applying to UDC, UBALT, APP ST, GMU and URich as of right now. The rest depend on how well I do on the LSAT. I am in my 40's so I am not sure how the non traditional aspect will apply. Any advice here would be great thanks......
Title: Re: What Do You Need To Go Complete? (A General Forum for Specifics.)
Post by: bigs5068 on July 12, 2010, 12:59:43 AM
The non-trad really won't make to much of a difference to an admissions committee. Your GPA and LSAT are the main considerations and if you are a minority that also plays a huge role into admission. Other than your GPA/LSAT score your "soft" factors work experience, LOR's etc won't mean much unless you did something really impressive.