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Title: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 245 on July 11, 2006, 05:52:31 PM
This thread for all the LGBTQ folks here on LSD.  Introduce yourself, ask questions about anything, or just chat!
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: bossfan2 on July 13, 2006, 04:35:33 PM
I'm actually done applying and am starting LS about 6 weeks, but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.  I only came out in my personal statement because my activism is what is driving me to attend LS and my activism is almost all gay right-related.

That's the general advice I got--to come out only as much as is relevant to the point of your personal statement.  Make sure it makes sense in your story or it might sound like you're coming out just to milk the diversity factor (not that there's anything wrong with milking the diversity factor--just don't make it obvious...heh...)  Of course, had there been an "LGBT" box to check on the application, I would have done that, even if my personal statement was about horseback riding or something...

Good luck to you!  Where are you thinking of applying?
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on July 13, 2006, 05:07:12 PM
Having just looked at his LSN, I'm not sure that Mike 245 needs to milk his LGBT status or anything else!  He's in pretty good shape.

FWIW, I haven't seen any evidence that schools really consider queerness to be worth a whole lot.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: lyquidmyrrrh on July 13, 2006, 05:17:45 PM
NYU and Berkeley are on the top of my list.  Hey of the top 14, do you guys know any schools that aren't queer-friendly?  I'm thinking UVa and Duke...  But what about others?

And, I don't intend to come out in my application at all because it's not really relavant to any of the achievments upon which I intend to focus...  From what I understand, there really isn't much advantage in the application process given to queer folks anyway.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Phatmal on July 13, 2006, 05:35:08 PM
I thought about checking the LSAC box but in the end decided not to as I figured that the chances of it helping me were pretty slim as my number one school (and attending) is located in one of the most densly gay populated cities in the country.  I wouldn't count schools out because of it either.  I've been rather suprised how little people really care about gayness these days for the most part.  The only time it would matter is if you are single and don't want to be, or are coupled and don't want the temptation for that matter. 
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on July 13, 2006, 05:37:15 PM
Columbia and Penn both send out LGBT-specific recruiting materials if you check the box (and maybe meet certain other eligibility criteria).  It didn't help me out much, but if you're interested, you should go ahead and check it.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: lyquidmyrrrh on July 13, 2006, 05:46:55 PM
I did check the box, but I had no idea what kind of materials I would receive.  At this point that whole system is a bit of a disappointment, since I all I have received are materials from such fine institutions as the Tourno law center and Texas Wesleyan University inviting me to apply for this fall!
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on July 13, 2006, 05:50:00 PM
I did check the box, but I had no idea what kind of materials I would receive.  At this point that whole system is a bit of a disappointment, since I all I have received are materials from such fine institutions as the Tourno law center and Texas Wesleyan University inviting me to apply for this fall!

I think Penn's comes in October or November and Columbia's in December.  IIRC, Columbia's recruiting is all very late, almost as if they are asking people to apply late in order to pad their application numbers.

Oh, also, expect Oklahoma City University to send you a bunch of recruiting emails.  Those were pretty sweet, actually.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: lyquidmyrrrh on July 13, 2006, 05:52:49 PM
Cool, I look forward to checking out all the mail.  So where are you going to law school, Missy P?
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on July 13, 2006, 05:54:50 PM
I'm going to Brooklyn.  I had an, errr... uneven undergraduate record! 
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: lyquidmyrrrh on July 13, 2006, 06:14:20 PM
No reason to explain!  It all sounds good to me... good luck!!
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on July 13, 2006, 06:17:45 PM
No reason to explain!  It all sounds good to me... good luck!!

Sorry, I just have a knee-jerk elitist bit in me. I'm such a a-hole sometimes! I didn't mean to be super defensive.  I am happy where I am going, though I was disappointed when I was rejected by NYU (my top choice). 
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: slacker on July 13, 2006, 07:06:58 PM
I agree that there's no reason to come out on a PS if it's not relevant to something. I have been involved in my school (T2) in terms of trying to do more recruiting specificially towards the LGBT community. It is a URM to some firms and some schools are more active than others, so don't fully discount that it has no weight. It is a soft factor, of course.

One nice thing about coming out early in the process, if you're really interested in the school, is that you can possibly get in touch with LGBT students already present, and see what it's like for them. However, the original statement on the PS still stands.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: incognito on July 14, 2006, 11:16:25 AM
NYU and Berkeley are on the top of my list.  Hey of the top 14, do you guys know any schools that aren't queer-friendly?  I'm thinking UVa and Duke...  But what about others?

And, I don't intend to come out in my application at all because it's not really relavant to any of the achievments upon which I intend to focus...  From what I understand, there really isn't much advantage in the application process given to queer folks anyway.

I'm starting at Duke this year, came out in my personal statement, and I think Duke is queer-friendly, or at least not opposed to the gays.  I've lived in the triangle area for six years and while it isn't Midtown or Dupont Circle, it is a very livable region.  I've met some of the current gay law students at Duke and they seem very happy.  In the T14 you would be hard pressed to find a school with entrenched homophobia. 
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on July 14, 2006, 03:25:17 PM
I'm actually done applying and am starting LS about 6 weeks, but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents.  I only came out in my personal statement because my activism is what is driving me to attend LS and my activism is almost all gay right-related.

That's the general advice I got--to come out only as much as is relevant to the point of your personal statement.  Make sure it makes sense in your story or it might sound like you're coming out just to milk the diversity factor (not that there's anything wrong with milking the diversity factor--just don't make it obvious...heh...)  Of course, had there been an "LGBT" box to check on the application, I would have done that, even if my personal statement was about horseback riding or something...

Good luck to you!  Where are you thinking of applying?

Thanks, bossfan2!  Being gay isn't very important to the work that I do or why I want to pursue law, so it probably doesn't warrant a mention on my PS, but I do plan on living with my SO during law school and participating in LGBT campus activities.  I'm looking at the top 8 right now.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on July 14, 2006, 03:26:19 PM
Having just looked at his LSN, I'm not sure that Mike 245 needs to milk his LGBT status or anything else!  He's in pretty good shape.

FWIW, I haven't seen any evidence that schools really consider queerness to be worth a whole lot.

Miss P, thanks for the vote of confidence. :)  I prob won't be mentioning it except on maybe Penn and Yale essays, but I don't plan on hiding it either.  So Colubmia does LGBT recruiting too???
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: bridget on July 17, 2006, 04:06:31 PM
I'm applying this cycle and thinking of coming out... one of my personal statement drafts is about losing financial support from my parents after coming out and having to support myself.  It's less about being a lesbian and more about motivating myself and growing as a person  ::)  I do hope that's the kind of thing admissions committees like to hear about.

Another is about activism I've done related to queer stuff- organizing events, leadership positions, etc.  So it's not directly saying "I'm a dyke" but it could be safe to assume.  I'm interested in public interest law, so it's relevant, I think.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on July 17, 2006, 06:57:48 PM
I'm applying this cycle and thinking of coming out... one of my personal statement drafts is about losing financial support from my parents after coming out and having to support myself.  It's less about being a lesbian and more about motivating myself and growing as a person  ::)  I do hope that's the kind of thing admissions committees like to hear about.

Another is about activism I've done related to queer stuff- organizing events, leadership positions, etc.  So it's not directly saying "I'm a dyke" but it could be safe to assume.  I'm interested in public interest law, so it's relevant, I think.

Where are you planning on applying?  Good luck this cycle!
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on July 19, 2006, 12:15:39 PM
thanks!  good luck to you, too! 
My numbers are in the range for most of the top ten, though not quite as impressive as yours :).  I haven't taken the real LSAT yet, but my timed practice tests have given me a feel for where I'll fall and I've still got time to prepare before sept. 30.
NYU is probably my top choice right now.  I'm looking at

-prestigious schools (as long as I'm going into massive debt I might as well get the best of the best)
-in big cities (I've been in cornfields for three years now and after growing up in Chicago, I need a city again)
-that allow deferment for Teach for America (most do, and that's my first choice for post-undergrad),
-and have strong public interest programs and/or a dual degree option in public policy.  GWU, U of Chicago, and Duke are a few, though each has drawbacks (no deferral, economics focused, and in a smaller city, respectively). 

you're looking at top 8, right?  any specific area of interest? 

I'm mostly interested in immigration issues right now, but I know that could easily change after 1L or 2LL, so I'm keeping my options open.  My SO isn't so keen on New Haven, Ann Arbor or Philly since it'd be hard for him to find a job in those cities, but SF Bay Area, Boston, NYC and Chicago are looking like good possibilities.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: heybrent on July 20, 2006, 10:09:20 AM
Where are you all applying?  Are you planning on coming out in the app process???

Mike--

Apply to HLS and definitely come out in the app process.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on September 25, 2006, 05:28:43 PM
Bridget, don't rule out Duke just because of Durham. I just graduated from Duke undergrad and I know people bash Durham nonstop but it is actually a cool town/city that has a shitload to offer if you look for it, and Raleigh and Chapel Hill are not far away at all . . . it is NOT your typical southern town. Durham/Chapel Hill supposedly has one of the highest concentrations of lesbians in the country . . . nuff said

Plus Duke was rated one of the top-20 places to be if you are LGBT by the Advocate's guide to colleges or whatever - it had an 18/20 "gay point average" . . . I don't know if I would go that far but I definitely had a good experience coming out and being out there. I'm hoping to go to law school there myself (taking a year off right now)

What other schools were in Advocate's top 20?  I'd be curious to know.

EDIT: Nevermind, I found it.  4 of my top 6 choices are not on the list:

American University
Duke University
Indiana University
New York University
Oberlin College
Ohio State University
Pennsylvania State University
Princeton University
Stanford University
Tufts University
University of California, Berkeley
University of California, Los Angeles
University of California, Santa Cruz
University of Massachusetts, Amherst
University of Michigan
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
University of Oregon
University of Pennsylvania
University of Puget Sound
University of Southern California
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on September 25, 2006, 05:38:33 PM
According to the article in the NYT about it:

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''THE Advocate College Guide for LGBT Students'' recognizes 20 colleges and universities as ''pioneering'' lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender leaders in higher education.

The list includes their ''Gay Point Average,'' ranking campus policies, programs and practices, with 20 being the highest possible score.

20: University of Pennsylvania; University of Southern California

19: American University; Ohio State University; Princeton; Pennsylvania State University; University of California, Berkeley; University of California, Los Angeles; University of Minnesota, Twin Cities; University of Oregon; University of Puget Sound

18: Duke; Indiana University; Oberlin College; Stanford; Tufts University; University of California, Santa Cruz; University of Michigan

17: New York University; University of Massachusetts, Amherst


I think the methodology and results are questionable, to say the least.  For instance, my alma mater of sorts, Brown, didn't make it on the list.  Nor did Bard, Vassar, and Sarah Lawrence, queer/trans hotspots, and various women's colleges like Smith and Bryn Mawr.  You'd have a pretty hard time convincing me that University of Puget Sound is a better place for LGBT students than, say, Evergreen State College.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on September 25, 2006, 06:04:55 PM
Hmm...good point.  Does the NYtimes article elaborate on the methodology?
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on September 25, 2006, 06:10:20 PM
Hmm...good point.  Does the NYtimes article elaborate on the methodology?

Yes, they took nominations from 680 schools and then conducted several thousand (5,500, I think) interviews to narrow the list.  Should I post the whole article?  I have hesitated because it's kind of long, but I can't link to it because it's TimesSelect content.  Let me know.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on September 25, 2006, 06:11:50 PM
Oh, I'll just post it and if people complain, I'll take it down.  :)

September 14, 2006
Is This Campus Gay-Friendly?
By STEPHANIE ROSENBLOOM

THIS fall, stacked amid the hefty new college admissions books like ''The Best 361 Colleges'' and ''Financial Aid for the Utterly Confused'' is a guide about an entirely different sort of college acceptance.

''The Advocate College Guide for LGBT Students'' (Alyson Books) profiles 100 of the country's ''best campuses'' for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students, and it arrives at a time when gay students are more vocal and visible.

''It's looking more like half or most gay and lesbian Americans are coming out before they get to college,'' said Bruce Steele, the guide's editor in chief. ''Unlike in the past, the experience they will have on a campus is something they can think about before they go to college.''

Among the top 20 colleges in the guide are the University of Pennsylvania and the University of Southern California.

Lance Sun, 17, of Flushing, Queens, said he had purchased the glossy yellow guide as a supplementary resource to help him gauge how well he might fit in at various campuses.

''I remember a few months ago I was looking for a Web site or guide,'' he said. ''I tried really hard and I couldn't find one.''

But a few weeks ago he received an e-mail message from the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, a national education organization, about the new guide.

''I was really excited,'' Lance said. ''It was perfect timing.''

There is ample evidence that in recent years gay students have become more outspoken about their identity. Most Gay-Straight Alliances registered with the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network are in high schools, and today there are more than 3,000 of them, up from 750 in September 2001.

Grant Hoover, a 21-year-old senior at the University of Southern California who was the executive director of the university's Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Assembly last year, said the Advocate guide is ''definitely a step in the right direction.''

''I think it reflects growing visibility on a national level,'' he said. ''And a growing need.''

For decades college guides have offered advice on subjects as varied as tuition, dorms and even where students can buy the best marijuana. Yet books devoted entirely to gay students' experiences have been scarce. New York University Press published ''The Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual Students' Guide to Colleges, Universities and Graduate Schools,'' but that was in 1994.

Kevin Jennings, the executive director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network and a former high school teacher, said the Advocate guide is the first book that really takes on the questions of non-straight students comprehensively.

The Advocate guide, about 400 pages, does not rank the schools but has a Gay Point Average Official Campus Checklist, which scores campuses (up to 20 points) on their policies, programs and practices affecting lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transgender people. That includes whether a school has nondiscrimination statements, if there are housing options or themes, if there is a student group devoted to the population, and if there is a variety of related courses.

Each profile also has a ''Fun Queer Stuff to Know'' box that includes information like ''best LGBT-cool athletic sport'' and ''best LGBT-accepting religious/spiritual organization.''

For many non-straight students the guide is a sign of how progressive many American campuses have become and proves that the students do not necessarily have to go to a big city college to feel comfortable. It can help parents find schools where their children will not only be safe, but welcomed. And, Mr. Steele said, it may make colleges and universities more aware of one another's practices and foster more change.

Yet several students said they were surprised their schools were in the guide because they still have a long way to go to stem homophobia.

Jeremy Marshall, a 20-year-old junior at Duke University and the president of Duke Allies, a student organization for those who support lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, said he was surprised Duke was listed among the top 20 friendliest schools.

''I don't think Duke has warranted that position yet,'' he said. ''We were ranked one of the most homophobic schools in 1999,'' by Princeton Review.

Mr. Marshall said he believes tolerance will improve eventually, but he was unhappy with the funding to Duke Allies this year and said that homophobic slurs can still be heard on campus.

The school has several gay awareness programs that make it look ''good on paper,'' Mr. Marshall said, yet ''the real challenge is changing the hearts and minds of students.''

But Maddie Dewar, 22, of Durham, N.C., who graduated from Duke this year and was president of the Alliance of Queer Undergraduates at Duke, said that while being gay at Duke is more challenging than being gay at N.Y.U., progress has been made. ''Four years ago I wouldn't have recommended it,'' she said. ''Now I think it's a prime opportunity, and a rare one.''

She said the school deserves praise for providing funding to the small group of students and faculty who wanted to stop living an ''underground'' kind of lifestyle amid what she described as the school's ''good old boys'' culture. And when the guidebook came out, some 200 administrators, students, faculty and staff gathered to celebrate Duke's inclusion, said Janie Long, the director of the school's Center for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender Life.

Because every student's campus experience is subjective, the guide has a top 20 ''best of the best,'' but does not rank the 100 colleges and universities included. ''It's really not possible to say one university is three notches better than another in terms of total gay and lesbian experience,'' Mr. Steele said.

The guide is largely based on student perspectives. Nominations were gathered from 680 campuses across the country, and more than 5,500 online interviews were conducted to help determine which campuses made the cut.

Jamal Brown, a 20-year-old junior at Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., said he was shocked and happy to learn that Dartmouth was included. ''I think that it's showing that the work that we're doing is actually getting done,'' he said, referring to events that promote awareness and attempt to root out homophobia.

Still, there is plenty of ''institutionalized homophobia,'' he said.

''Nowadays people aren't going to say 'fag' or 'queer' or something outright,'' Mr. Brown said. ''But when you get behind closed doors, you still have that.''

During a welcome-back barbecue at the University of Southern California, Maureen Osborne, a 21-year-old senior who is on the executive board of the university's Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Assembly, placed the Advocate guide on a table. She said many students picked it up and remarked that they had not realized they had it so good.

''We had no idea how far ahead we were than everyone else,'' Ms. Osborne said, referring to the fact that U.S.C. and Penn were the only two schools to have a Gay Point Average of 20 out of 20.

''We were really excited,'' she said, though she said she wished her school's profile had focused more on the activist, academic side of gay life on campus instead of the party scene. But, she admitted, ''our dances are amazing.''

Mr. Steele said there are probably another hundred colleges that could have been included in the book. One of those is Harvard, he said, which didnot have a policy that prohibited discrimination against transgender students when the guide was being compiled, but does now.

Smith College, a liberal arts college for women in Northampton, Mass., that has a substantial lesbian population, is not in the guide, either. ''Maybe it did not have enough supporters in the initial unscientific nomination process,'' Mr. Steele said.

But though the new guide will probably make some students' college searches easier, everyone from Mr. Steele to college advisers to students said that, as with any college guide, it is important to check out the schools in person. ''What the Advocate College Guide assesses is really the effort that's being put forth by the colleges themselves to make their LGBT students comfortable,'' Mr. Steele said.

A Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network survey released in April that gathered reports from students 13 to 20 who identify themselves as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender in America's high schools found that about 75 percent of students heard derogatory remarks frequently or often at school. More than a third experienced physical harassment at school based on their sexual orientation.

''When people feel included they can focus on learning,'' Mr. Jennings of the education network said. ''When they feel isolated and marginalized they can't. And what LGBT students want is what everyone else wants when they go to college: They want to feel like they belong.''

Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on September 26, 2006, 03:11:04 PM
Thanks for posting the article, Miss P.  It really puts the rankings in perspective.  That said, I would still like to thumb through the book and see what it has to say about my top choices.   :)
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: bridget on September 26, 2006, 03:30:02 PM
Oh, I'll just post it and if people complain, I'll take it down.  :)

September 14, 2006
Is This Campus Gay-Friendly?
By STEPHANIE ROSENBLOOM

''It's looking more like half or most gay and lesbian Americans are coming out before they get to college,'' said Bruce Steele, the guide's editor in chief. ''Unlike in the past, the experience they will have on a campus is something they can think about before they go to college.''

...

Yet several students said they were surprised their schools were in the guide because they still have a long way to go to stem homophobia.

Mr. Marshall said he believes tolerance will improve eventually, but he was unhappy with the funding to Duke Allies this year and said that homophobic slurs can still be heard on campus.

The school has several gay awareness programs that make it look ''good on paper,'' Mr. Marshall said, yet ''the real challenge is changing the hearts and minds of students.''


first, in my experience, most people don't come out until college.  that could be a side effect of living in middle america though.

Second, that's completely true.  I'm pretty involved with LGBT stuff on campus and a lot of it is about looking good on paper.  I like to think we have an impact, but it can be sort of disillusioning.  "we cant do this program without a person of color!  doesn't matter who it is, just find someone."  as if people are interchangeable.
and, having policies doesn't stop the individuals from harrassing people, similar to what the Duke student said.

anyone else experienced this?

sidenote, I'm glad this thread got revived.  i was thinking of bumping it to see if there are any newbies who didn't see it before. surely we can't be the only ones...
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: bridget on September 28, 2006, 10:20:00 PM
ditto.    college made me a lesbian, apparently.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on September 28, 2006, 10:29:02 PM
Moving along to what I actually had a question about - do any of these schools actually practice affirmative action for queer kids? It's about time that there's an advantage to being gay! I've read on other threads that it might help a little . . .

Also, right now Penn is my top choice but I have yet to take the LSAT (Saturday! yikes!) so we'll see if I even have a chance of getting in once I find out my score. But anyway, it seems like penn is one of the most gay-friendly schools out there, but on the Lambda website there are like, thirty guys and one girl in the photos. . . it seems like a mecca for gay men. I love gay men but where the girls at?  :-\

sorry this was a long rambling post, feel free to address parts or all or none of it  :P

If being gay has presented hardships that you've overcome, or if it has contributed to a unique perspective that you bring to law school, I'm sure that you could write about it in your personal or diversity statement, and get some extra admissions points, but it certainly isn't the same as a URM boost.

Penn certainly does seem like a pretty gay friendly place from what I've heard and researched.  I'm still trying to convince my bf that it'd be a good place for us to live, since he'd rather stay in California, if possible.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: Miss P on September 29, 2006, 06:03:25 AM
I would say that the major benefit to being gay is not having to be straight.  I don't think it's going to make or break anyone's law school chances, sorry.  But there are some schools (Penn among them, IIRC) that request sexual orientation information on their applications; presumably they consider it, however minimally, when composing their classes.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: bridget on September 30, 2006, 04:25:43 PM
I would say that the major benefit to being gay is not having to be straight. 

ha! :)
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: keepinitlegal on September 30, 2006, 11:29:52 PM
Howdy Everyone,

So here's my deal: Proudly Gay, and was very active in my university's LGBT group. Fun little twist on this- I'm also a person of faith- grew up as an Orthodox Jew. Still pretty religious too (I'm takin' the LSAT on a non-Saturday- the day after Yom Kippur, the biggest and scariest Jewish fast of the year).
My PS is about how the law impacted my life as a person of faith and as a homoseuxal, and how that made me want to become involved in the judicial system. I'm applying to law school because I want to go into the public interest/government side- I'd love to be an Assistant DA (and not starve to death, that'd be nice too.) Does this sound like a good topic? I'd appreciate any suggestions.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: absy on October 01, 2006, 10:23:04 AM
I wanted to respond to a few topics in this conversation:

1. Lesbians: Most schools are lacking in the lesbian department.  Last year, we only had 1 lesbian in the 1L class.  Through a concerted effort to reach out to lesbian applicants and admits, we started out the year with 5 in this year's 1L class.  This actually helped to bring some of the upper-years out of the woodwork.  In working with HLS Lambda, we hope to continue this trend both to reach out to lesbian potential students and to make sure our organization is as relevant to the L as we are to the G.

2. Duke/Advocate: I remember laughing when I first read that article.  Duke (UG) is NOT a top 20 school for LGBT students.  I will admit that things have improved drastically in the five years since they were voted most homophobic.  But I still felt like being gay was a bit of a detriment to my experience there.  The law school is another world, so I can't really comment on that.

3. Out on the Application: I will agree that one shouldn't really add the equivalent of "btw, I'm gay too."  But if it has shaped your experience, then it's certainly worth adding.  And I would suggest to everyone that they come out once they are admitted.  The admissions office at HLS passes on the names and emails of people who were out on their application, and we reach out to them and can answer questions about LGBT life at school.

4. Harvard: We do LGBT recruiting as well (look for a letter if you checked the CRS box).  I feel like being gay has really enriched my experience at HLS.  We have a great group at Lambda, and we're working to make it even better this year.  Being a larger school, we actually have a critical mass of people and a community, rather than a small group.  The administration is definitely behind us; they are instrumental in helping us plan a conference on "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" this year, working to bring scholars, practitioners, military personnel, and congressional representatives to discuss and debate the issue.  We also take advantage of the various graduate schools by having inter-school mixers.

Boston is also a great place to be LGBT.  The area is really affirming, and college/university students make up about a quarter of the population.  We host an annual dance party that brings together over 500 students from the Boston area.  And, since we live in Massachusetts, two of our recent board members are engaged or married -- where else can you marry your law school sweetheart?

I should probably end my propaganda for now, but I'm more than happy to answer any questions about my current home.  I really encourage all LGBT applicants to apply to HLS.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: keepinitlegal on October 04, 2006, 08:23:34 PM
In the Northeast and Midwest, outside of the top 20, I'd probably say:
BU, Northeastern, (pretty much anywhere in Boston except BC), Temple, Villanova, Catholic, American, Maryland, Rutgers, Case, OSU, Illinois, Kent, WashU, Wisconsin, Minnesota and maybe Iowa.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: absy on October 04, 2006, 09:52:50 PM
I'd suggest searching for the LGBT group at that school, then email their board members to get perspectives.  if they seem vague, ask for specifics.

a few suggestions (to varying degrees of importance for different people):
openly LGBT faculty
dedicated LGBT courses
financial support of the organization
acceptance within student body
relationship with administration
LGBT events of the past year (and if any of them were sponsored by or co-sponsored with the Dean's office or Dean of Students office)
LGBT establishments in the area
LGBT-related state laws (e.g., marriage, nondiscrimination, partner benefits) (Massachusetts has all of those) (sorry, shameless plug)
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: bridget on October 05, 2006, 10:37:48 PM
devil, is your birthday march 6?  I think you might be my Duke-attending twin.  I'm in pretty much the same situation.

absy, you're doing a good job of selling me on boston.  I assume Harvard has all those things?   now, if only I had the numbers for it.  October 23rd is still so far away!

as for keppinitlegal's suggestion of Illinois... there is an active queer law student group and I've talked with some of them.  They seem to be happy here, and the campus feels very safe to me as an undergrad, but this is definitely not a medium to large city.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: absy on October 06, 2006, 08:30:19 AM
absy, you're doing a good job of selling me on boston.  I assume Harvard has all those things?   

yes, the Harvard Gay & Lesbian Caucus (university-wide group of students and alumni) has shifted from being more of a political force to being a social/networking organization, because Harvard has basically adopted anything HGLC could think of.  (Gender identity was added last year.)

state politics are also going our way.  Deval Patrick (Democratic gov. candidate) came to the law school with another then-candidate to discuss their thoughts on LGBT issues.  and last year, the mayor of Cambridge contacted us for ideas on the city's pride celebration.  I just don't know how any other place could be as affirming.
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: keepinitlegal on October 06, 2006, 02:13:33 PM
Oh! Oh! I know how another school could be more affirming! When it's smack dab in the middle of San Francisco, the city that invented "gay"  ;)


or perhaps if you choose to go to law school in Thailand...they're pretty LGBT (emphasis on the "T") affirming too
Title: Re: LGBT applicants in the upcoming cycle
Post by: 245 on October 06, 2006, 04:47:23 PM
I should probably end my propaganda for now, but I'm more than happy to answer any questions about my current home.  I really encourage all LGBT applicants to apply to HLS.

Absy-- Do you know many LGBT couples at HLS?  Do any of them live in couples housing?  If I leave the Bay Area for school, I'll most likely live with my SO and I was wondering what the accommodations are like.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on October 06, 2006, 05:11:15 PM
Night Court was last year's theme.  still haven't come up with this year's.  But it's a big dance party that is open to law students from all over the Boston area (so you can go if you are at BU!), and over 500 people showed up last year.

and I know several couples, including one married and one engaged (beat that, other states).  I'm not aware of "couples housing" per se, but there are people in apartments, and the hastings rooms are big enough to share.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 10, 2006, 06:58:42 PM
Hey all, is anyone looking at schools to *study* LGBT issues, like sexuality and gender law? I've been researching the number of classes, clinics, externships, and journals related to sexuality/gender, but I'd love to hear what other people are coming up with. So far my strong ones are Michigan, Georgetown, Cornell, UVA, American, Cardozo, Temple, and Rutgers-Camden. Deloggio says Georgetown spent ten years in court trying to prevent a gay & les group from forming, but it does seem academically strong in queer issues, so I don't know...

Anybody else hunting up a career at Lambda Legal?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 10, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
Hey all, is anyone looking at schools to *study* LGBT issues, like sexuality and gender law? I've been researching the number of classes, clinics, externships, and journals related to sexuality/gender, but I'd love to hear what other people are coming up with. So far Columbia and NYU are my dreamy dream schools. Other strong ones are Michigan, Georgetown, Cardozo, Temple, and Rutgers-Camden. Deloggio says Georgetown spent ten years in court trying to prevent a gay & les group from forming, but it does seem academically strong in queer issues, so I don't know...

Anybody else hunting up a career at Lambda Legal?

Since you mention Cardozo --
I spent some time talking to Ed Stein when I was trying to make my decision, and he was really helpful and supportive.  I think he'd be a great professor/mentor type, and some of his work is very interesting. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: butter tart on October 11, 2006, 06:15:31 AM
Hey all, is anyone looking at schools to *study* LGBT issues, like sexuality and gender law? I've been researching the number of classes, clinics, externships, and journals related to sexuality/gender, but I'd love to hear what other people are coming up with. So far Columbia and NYU are my dreamy dream schools. Other strong ones are Michigan, Georgetown, Cardozo, Temple, and Rutgers-Camden. Deloggio says Georgetown spent ten years in court trying to prevent a gay & les group from forming, but it does seem academically strong in queer issues, so I don't know...

Anybody else hunting up a career at Lambda Legal?

Lambda Legal or the ACLU all the way, baby!!! My dream school is definitely Michigan but I don't know if I have the numbers to get in. Hopefully I'll get a bump for being both LGBT and in-state, but I doubt it. :(    As you said, Michigan has a great LGBT Law practice area in its public interest law program.  I live in Michigan and the only problem is that the state is somewhat hostile towards LGBT people (Ann Arbor is definitely not though!!!)  But that is what makes me want to pursue LGBT law, so it is definitely a motivator!!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on October 11, 2006, 08:28:02 AM
I'm interested in public interest work more broadly, but working for Lambda Legal would definitely be cool.  I'm just afraid to limit myself now before I've even started law school.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: butter tart on October 11, 2006, 10:11:05 AM
I'm interested in public interest work more broadly, but working for Lambda Legal would definitely be cool.  I'm just afraid to limit myself now before I've even started law school.

I know what you mean.  I'm very aware that my interests are bound to change a bit which is why I'm sticking to a broad legal education while taking a few classes in my area of interest.  I just hope my interests don't change too much though!!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 11, 2006, 12:17:22 PM
Yaaay I'm so happy to get these responses! I've been feeling like the only one!

Miss P: Ditto about Ed Stein! I emailed one of the co-chairs of Outlaw at Cardozo, and he said Stein's class was tres popular. What other schools did you look at? My problem with Cardozo is that there is a "feminist jurisprudence" class and a "women and the law" class listed online, but neither of them show up on the class list in their brochure. My source also seemed to know nothing about feminism classes. That leaves me with just the one "sexual orientation, gender & the law" class! Bummer!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 11, 2006, 12:35:08 PM
I'll post my list of schools with student-edited journals on gender or women & the law, because it's a key factor in my decision-making, and it might be for others. Usually if it has either women or gender in the title they're addressing LGBT topics too. I know Cardozo's having a special intersex issue this spring! Rad! The *only* school with a sexual orientation-specific journal is Tulane.

American
Berkely
Buffalo
Cardozo
Columbia
Duke
Georgetown
Harvard
Hastings
Iowa
Maryland
Michigan
Rutgers
Texas
UCLA
Villanova
W & M
Wisconson
Yale

Comments/updates welcome!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: butter tart on October 11, 2006, 01:46:31 PM
I'll post my list of schools with student-edited journals on gender or women & the law, because it's a key factor in my decision-making, and it might be for others. Usually if it has either women or gender in the title they're addressing LGBT topics too. I know Cardozo's having a special intersex issue this spring! Rad! The *only* school with a sexual orientation-specific journal is Tulane.

American
Berkely
Buffalo
Cardozo
Columbia
Duke
Georgetown
Harvard
Hastings
Iowa
Maryland
Michigan
Rutgers
Texas
UCLA
Villanova
W & M
Wisconson
Yale

Comments/updates welcome!

Michigan State has a "Journal of Gender Law".
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 11, 2006, 02:39:34 PM
Yaaay I'm so happy to get these responses! I've been feeling like the only one!

Miss P: Ditto about Ed Stein! I emailed one of the co-chairs of Outlaw at Cardozo, and he said Stein's class was tres popular. What other schools did you look at? My problem with Cardozo is that there is a "feminist jurisprudence" class and a "women and the law" class listed online, but neither of them show up on the class list in their brochure. My source also seemed to know nothing about feminism classes. That leaves me with just the one "sexual orientation, gender & the law" class! Bummer!

I unfortunately didn't have many places to consider because of my remarkably bad undergraduate record.  But I am at Brooklyn (a school I chose entirely based on financial inducements), and Cardozo was the other place I visited and hung out.  I enjoy Brooklyn, and I think it wouldn't be a bad place to do LGBT law stuff either.  Nan Hunter is fantastic and there's a supportive administration and a fairly active Outlaws group.

I'm actually not planning to do gaylaw -- I want to be a public defender -- and my interest is mostly an intellectual holdout of my interest in queer theory more generally.  But I do think that Cardozo is probably a better place to study gender and sexuality than it is to be queer, based on my totally partial take on campus life.  This is something you should press the Outlaws to be really frank with you about if you are seriously considering going there. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 11, 2006, 10:18:47 PM
Sweet sweet queer theory! Can you elaborate about why it wouldn't be so great to be queer @ Cardozo? I will press my Outlaw boy too, thanks for the advice!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 12, 2006, 01:20:46 AM
Sweet sweet queer theory! Can you elaborate about why it wouldn't be so great to be queer @ Cardozo? I will press my Outlaw boy too, thanks for the advice!

It was just a vibe, actually.  So please don't take me too seriously.  And while we're at it, since you're new, I should warn you that you should probably never take me very seriously. :)  I hope the Outlaw boy is helpful!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on October 12, 2006, 03:25:02 PM
Mike suggested I post here sooo here I am.    Im 24, gay, living in boston, currently teaching high school, and applying for admission this cycle.  My school list spans almost the entirety tier one--- I was scoring 175-178 on practice lsat exmas, but am not too confident on my performance on the Spetember LSAT----so I really havent narrowed my field yet.  I actually have NYU and the University of Denver on my list--clearly I need the LSAT score to come back. 

Does anyone have suggetions to schools I should be looking at?  Im not sure what type of law I would like to practice--Ive considered LGBT legal advocacy but am not sure that its for me.  My UGPA was a 3.68 LSAT...uhmmmmmm Ill let you know in a week and a half.  Id like to spend the next three years in a relatively tolerant urban area--Ill be moving from Boston and don't really want too much of a culture shock.

Also, it might be cool to figure out who some of you are beyond your avatars


Hope all is well.  Oh and has anyone else the latent or not so latent heterosexism/homophioba of LSN; so strange.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 12, 2006, 03:33:01 PM
Oh and has anyone else the latent or not so latent heterosexism/homophioba of LSN; so strange.

Not-so-latent, and both.  It's nice to see someone acknowledge it, Bouzie.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on October 12, 2006, 04:00:41 PM
Hi Tom,

Maybe you won't even have to move away from Boston and subject yourself to culture shock.  My GPA was exactly yours. 

Here are my estimates:
174: Harvard
171: Columbia
170: NYU
169: Penn
167: Mich/GULC/NU
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 12, 2006, 04:43:49 PM
Mike suggested I post here sooo here I am.    Im 24, gay, living in boston, currently teaching high school, and applying for admission this cycle.  My school list spans almost the entirety tier one--- I was scoring 175-178 on practice lsat exmas, but am not too confident on my performance on the Spetember LSAT----so I really havent narrowed my field yet.  I actually have NYU and the University of Denver on my list--clearly I need the LSAT score to come back. 

Does anyone have suggetions to schools I should be looking at?  Im not sure what type of law I would like to practice--Ive considered LGBT legal advocacy but am not sure that its for me.  My UGPA was a 3.68 LSAT...uhmmmmmm Ill let you know in a week and a half.  Id like to spend the next three years in a relatively tolerant urban area--Ill be moving from Boston and don't really want too much of a culture shock.

Also, it might be cool to figure out who some of you are beyond your avatars


Hope all is well.  Oh and has anyone else the latent or not so latent heterosexism/homophioba of LSN; so strange.

Welcome, Bouzie!  It's nice to see a few more gay people popping up on LSD.  Last year, the number seemed much higher, but maybe it's still early in the cycle and we'll get more.

I'm sure that you did fine on your LSAT--most people perform pretty close to their practice averages on test day unless something absolutely disastrous happened.  I was also practicing in that same range, had some doubts following the test and ended up with a good score.  You have a good GPA and I think if you stand an excellent shot at most schools, even if you underperformed on the LSAT a bit.

It's probably too early to suggest schools since you don't have a score yet, but have you thought about law schools in California?  I live in the SF Bay Area and we've got a number of great schools, and the area is fun and very gay-friendly.

Good luck on your cycle!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on October 12, 2006, 05:19:54 PM
Hey Absy.  Thanks-My name is Tom, but im prettty sure you were replying to me.  I sure hope your predictions are close ;)---Also hoping I didn't mess up to majorly that I have to retake LSATS.  Looks like you're loving Harvard.  I'm not sure there are many places in the world to live better than Cambridge.  Tomorrow night Im heading to Phoenix Landing on Mass ave for saturday night 80s dancing--Cheap drinks, uberliberals, and Pat Benetar---how can that be beat?


Mike,

I was pretty surprised by the lack of LGBT applicants posting to the board as well.  Perhaps they're all just sick of bickering.  Where is your first choice?  Your numbers are amazing, congratulations on all of the hard work that IM sure it took to achieve them.  I have been considering schools in California, but like you said, its nigh on impossible to tell where I have a shot until the LSAT score comes back.  Ive been looking at Boalt and UCLA if my scores are where I'd like them to be, USC if they're a bit below.  I'd love to be in San francisco but Hastings doesn't look too impressive.  What are your feelings about LA?  I haven't heard many positives.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on October 12, 2006, 07:34:59 PM
Oh and has anyone else the latent or not so latent heterosexism/homophioba of LSN; so strange.

Not-so-latent, and both.  It's nice to see someone acknowledge it, Bouzie.

it wasn't quite so obvious to me until just recently.  maybe that could be a factor in why there aren't many folks on LSD?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 13, 2006, 01:48:21 AM
I was pretty surprised by the lack of LGBT applicants posting to the board as well.  Perhaps they're all just sick of bickering.  Where is your first choice?  Your numbers are amazing, congratulations on all of the hard work that IM sure it took to achieve them.  I have been considering schools in California, but like you said, its nigh on impossible to tell where I have a shot until the LSAT score comes back.  Ive been looking at Boalt and UCLA if my scores are where I'd like them to be, USC if they're a bit below.  I'd love to be in San francisco but Hastings doesn't look too impressive.  What are your feelings about LA?  I haven't heard many positives.

My top choices of the moment are Harvard, Stanford, Columbia and Boalt, if I get into those schools.  Location is my biggest concern, since my bf is pretty settled at his job and relocation would be difficult.  However, money is also a consideration, since I'd kind of nervous about going into significant debt.

LA is, in my experience, pretty gay friendly and very fun, although mostly near Hollywood, Santa Monica and UCLA.  There are a sizable gay district and some fun clubs, although they can get rowdy.  USC, however, isn't in such a nice part of LA.

I hear that Penn, Cornell and Michigan are also doing lots of LGBT outreach, but I don't know how exciting it would be to live in AA or Ithaca.  I think this is interesting, though: http://www.umoutlaws.org/2006/02/note-where-boys-are-1ls-ruminations-on.html
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: cgriffi1 on October 17, 2006, 11:04:12 AM
hey, i'm gay and was wondering if i should check off the "Gay Box" because I hadn't really planned on writting about it. How will this help/hurt my chances of getting in??

Also, I REALLY want to go to school in a city w/ a comfortable gay population. I'm already looking at schools in NY, Boston, LA, Atlanta, Chicago...any more suggestions?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 19, 2006, 07:41:10 PM
Gay Box: From what I understand it can't hurt, unless maybe you're applying to an actively Catholic school like Ave Maria, and I think there's like one other. But mostly I think it can only help you. Anyway: do you really want to go to a school where being gay would hurt your chances for admission?!

As far as gay-friendly cities, try writing to someone from the gay group on campus (you can get their email addresses at the school's website or in the gay section of LSAC) and asking them whatever questions are important to you. I've been doing that, and people have been very friendly and happy to help.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on October 22, 2006, 10:29:16 PM
meant to do this earlier...

I went to the forum in Chicago last week and asked a bunch of schools the following question: What can you tell me about the climate for LGBT students at X school?

Most gave the standard, 'We have an active OUTlaws group, the campus is very accepting, etc."  I was surprised that the Harvard rep was the most flustered by the question (basically said "I don't really know, but I've never heard of anything bad"), given Absy's enthusiasm.  The Georgetown and Michigan reps were both members of their respective outlaws groups and had good things to say.  I said to the Georgetwon rep "I'm a little worried about it being a Catholic school.  Do you think it would be a problem to be LGBT there?" And he gave a pretty convincing argument that their group is really well funded and because there's a diversity of opinions there's a lot of dialogue, but no real intolerance.

The rep from Duke asked what my majors were before I asked my LGBT question and went into detail about how many of their top administrators are women (I'm a Gender and Women's Studies major) and that they have a gender journal.  After I asked my question, she added on that the gender journal also features a lot of LGBT topics.

Chicago's reponse was the most encouraging.  The rep seemed to be saying that they look favorably on LGBT applicants.  This could be the standard "we want a diverse class" kind of thing, but something about the way he said it... it was something like "we definitely look for that and value those experiences highly."
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 23, 2006, 11:10:01 AM
Thanks for the post, bridget, that is really valuable information. I'm interested in Georgetown too. I read somewhere, Deloggio's website, I think, that they spent 10 years in court trying to prevent an LGBT group from forming. And then when they lost, they put "G & L Group" on the building, or something like that, instead of "gay and lesbian." Of course I don't know how recently all of this occured. But now they have tons of queer- and gender-oriented classes, a gender journal, and an International Women's Rights Clinic.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Dukie07 on October 24, 2006, 11:22:28 AM
Is there anyway to click the gay box and not get mailings to your house?  I'm pretty sure my mother would flip her sh*t if that happened.  Which could be fun  like once, but not sure if it's something I could handle for a long period of time.  That's the reason I have yet to check it.

Also, should I write a diversity statement?  I don't want to make it seem like I'm trying to take advantage of something.  But I feel like being raised in a Southern Baptist small NC town and being gay followed by some of my experiences at Duke definitely are diverse.

Thanks
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on October 24, 2006, 11:30:03 AM
Is there anyway to click the gay box and not get mailings to your house?  I'm pretty sure my mother would flip her sh*t if that happened.  Which could be fun  like once, but not sure if it's something I could handle for a long period of time.  That's the reason I have yet to check it.

freakin' a! I didn't think about that  :-\, now I have this to worry about. Well that's one way of coming out to the 'rents.  ::)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 24, 2006, 12:29:04 PM
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Is there anyway to click the gay box and not get mailings to your house?

I checked the LSAC gay box in August and haven't yet gotten anything gay-specific. Of course I just received my LSAT score and I guess this is when most of the unsolicited mail will be coming. But my suspicion is that gay-specific pamphlets don't exist. As far as the gay box on applications, yes, they will contact you after you've been accepted about joining their gay groups, etc. I think this is by email, but I'm not sure. You could include a note saying "Please keep gay-related correspondence to email," which I doubt would affect your application.

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Also, should I write a diversity statement?  I don't want to make it seem like I'm trying to take advantage of something.  But I feel like being raised in a Southern Baptist small NC town and being gay followed by some of my experiences at Duke definitely are diverse.

That sounds like a great diversity topic to me. I think the rule of thumb is: write about it if it has influenced your life or your career, not just as a side-note. Be as specific as possible, tell one story rather than a summary of your gay life. And of course avoid self-pity--this will ensure that you don't sound like you're trying to bank on your minority status.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on October 24, 2006, 03:53:38 PM
Is there anyway to click the gay box and not get mailings to your house?  I'm pretty sure my mother would flip her sh*t if that happened.  Which could be fun  like once, but not sure if it's something I could handle for a long period of time.  That's the reason I have yet to check it.

Also, should I write a diversity statement?  I don't want to make it seem like I'm trying to take advantage of something.  But I feel like being raised in a Southern Baptist small NC town and being gay followed by some of my experiences at Duke definitely are diverse.

Thanks

You can also change your permanent address to your school address.  I assumed they would send mailings to my mailing address, but they don't.  The address I put for "permanent" is where I've been receiving law school mail (Cooley sent me something!  hooray!).
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 24, 2006, 05:12:54 PM
I checked off the box and haven't gotten anything via mail re: LGBT stuff.  In fact, all I've gotten so far is an e-mail from UMichigan's Outlaws group.  I think most schools are pretty understanding and won't send any pamplets or anything without your prior permission.  And like Phyllis said, if you do get something, you could always play it off.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 24, 2006, 05:14:41 PM
hey, i'm gay and was wondering if i should check off the "Gay Box" because I hadn't really planned on writting about it. How will this help/hurt my chances of getting in??

Also, I REALLY want to go to school in a city w/ a comfortable gay population. I'm already looking at schools in NY, Boston, LA, Atlanta, Chicago...any more suggestions?

I recommend SF!  We have a very sizable gay population here in the Bay Area.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 24, 2006, 05:17:35 PM
I checked off the box and haven't gotten anything via mail re: LGBT stuff.  In fact, all I've gotten so far is an e-mail from UMichigan's Outlaws group.  I think most schools are pretty understanding and won't send any pamplets or anything without your prior permission.  And like Phyllis said, if you do get something, you could always play it off.

The LGBT recruiting material I received by mail was all enclosed in envelopes and looked like any old admissions info.  I think it started coming sometime around Thanksgiving; you'll definitely get the stuff I did, Mike.  For those of you who are not out to your parents or have otherwise uncomfortable relationships with them around this issue, I can assure you that there's nothing that says, you know, "This is the hot gay XXX law school action you requested, you sodomite" or whatever.  But still, it can't hurt to receive your own mail, right?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: butter tart on October 25, 2006, 06:31:49 PM

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Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 26, 2006, 03:18:41 AM
I checked off the box and haven't gotten anything via mail re: LGBT stuff.  In fact, all I've gotten so far is an e-mail from UMichigan's Outlaws group.  I think most schools are pretty understanding and won't send any pamplets or anything without your prior permission.  And like Phyllis said, if you do get something, you could always play it off.

The LGBT recruiting material I received by mail was all enclosed in envelopes and looked like any old admissions info.  I think it started coming sometime around Thanksgiving; you'll definitely get the stuff I did, Mike.  For those of you who are not out to your parents or have otherwise uncomfortable relationships with them around this issue, I can assure you that there's nothing that says, you know, "This is the hot gay XXX law school action you requested, you sodomite" or whatever.  But still, it can't hurt to receive your own mail, right?

Miss P -- Do you remember which schools send out LGBT recruiting materials?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 26, 2006, 09:29:55 AM
Miss P -- Do you remember which schools send out LGBT recruiting materials?

The ones I remember sending mailings were Penn and Columbia.  I think I also got something from Northeastern and maybe one other school.  I also received a bunch of emails, most of which were, somewhat surprisingly, from Oklahoma City University.  I understand that some people from my cycle (see, e.g., Practiceboy and Su/Dread Pirate Roberts) received more stuff, which may be a result of their superior academic records or of my narrow geographical range (I checked only the boxes for NY, MA, PA, MI, and IL).  I hope this is helpful.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 26, 2006, 11:27:10 AM
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Quote from: mike245 on Today at 05:18:41 AM
Miss P -- Do you remember which schools send out LGBT recruiting materials?


The ones I remember sending mailings were Penn and Columbia.

Bummer Miss P, I haven't gotten anything from Penn or Columbia. Will you remind me of your scores?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 26, 2006, 12:00:34 PM
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Quote from: mike245 on Today at 05:18:41 AM
Miss P -- Do you remember which schools send out LGBT recruiting materials?


The ones I remember sending mailings were Penn and Columbia.

Bummer Miss P, I haven't gotten anything from Penn or Columbia. Will you remind me of your scores?

Oh, don't worry: IIRC, they didn't come until around or after Thanksgiving.  I took the October 2005 test, scoring in the low 170s.  I'm sure those of you with higher scores and/or better undergraduate records (this means just about everyone) will do at least as well as I did in terms of gay recruiting materials.  :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on October 26, 2006, 07:56:18 PM
Higher than the low 170's?! You have severely overestimated my talents, Miss P., but thank you.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 26, 2006, 08:07:53 PM
Higher than the low 170's?! You have severely overestimated my talents, Miss P., but thank you.

Well, who knows about the LSAT, silly test.  But if you rationally believe that you have a chance of getting into an ABA-accredited law school, I can pretty much guarantee that you have a better undergraduate record than I did.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LAcreole on October 27, 2006, 12:06:22 AM
Not that I'm applying to any of these schools, but I am curious to know how well is the representation of black LGBT population at Yale, Harvard, NYU and GTown?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: lyquidmyrrrh on October 30, 2006, 10:09:37 AM
Did any of you all get the letter from Lambda at Harvard?  I just received it over the weekend.  I also received a letter from Outlaws at Columbia a few weeks ago... 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on October 30, 2006, 10:54:04 AM
Not that I'm applying to any of these schools, but I am curious to know how well is the representation of black LGBT population at Yale, Harvard, NYU and GTown?

My guess would be: not so hot.  If it helps with perspective, there are 55-60 African-American students per class at Harvard and GULC, somewhere around 40 per class at NYU, and 15-20 per class at Yale.  I think.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 30, 2006, 11:14:58 AM
Did any of you all get the letter from Lambda at Harvard?  I just received it over the weekend.  I also received a letter from Outlaws at Columbia a few weeks ago... 

Nothing for me from Harvard or Columbia yet.  I did, however, get some APALSA mailing from Columbia a few weeks ago--maybe I'm only entitled to one minority group mailing from them?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 30, 2006, 01:17:45 PM
Did any of you all get the letter from Lambda at Harvard?  I just received it over the weekend.  I also received a letter from Outlaws at Columbia a few weeks ago... 

Nothing for me from Harvard or Columbia yet.  I did, however, get some APALSA mailing from Columbia a few weeks ago--maybe I'm only entitled to one minority group mailing from them?

You're Asian?  For some reason I always pictured you as a fat white guy.

Heh...yep. I'm a skinny Asian guy.  Do I come off sounding fat and white?  Maybe I should put up a self-avatar...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on October 30, 2006, 03:03:20 PM
Aw, thanks!  You're really friendly too!

BTW: I love your 'tar. =)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: lyquidmyrrrh on October 30, 2006, 04:37:11 PM
Mike- that's weird that you didn't get that mailing from Harvard.  I just received it on Saturday, so maybe you'll get yours today...  It makes sense why Columbia would want to recruit gay men, since I think we would all have a predisposition towards NYU.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LAcreole on October 30, 2006, 07:43:57 PM
Not that I'm applying to any of these schools, but I am curious to know how well is the representation of black LGBT population at Yale, Harvard, NYU and GTown?

My guess would be: not so hot.  If it helps with perspective, there are 55-60 African-American students per class at Harvard and GULC, somewhere around 40 per class at NYU, and 15-20 per class at Yale.  I think.

Thanks Miss P
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on October 30, 2006, 11:03:45 PM
Not that I'm applying to any of these schools, but I am curious to know how well is the representation of black LGBT population at Yale, Harvard, NYU and GTown?

we have two members on our executive board and more in the student body, but we could always improve.

if anyone ever has any questions, feel free to ask me.  and if you wanted to get another point of view, I could put you in touch with someone.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LAcreole on October 31, 2006, 03:49:51 PM
Thanks absy
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on November 01, 2006, 03:31:41 PM
Hello, All.  I'm new to this board and certainly new to this particular thread.  I am glad to know that the gays are still a kickin' out there! 

I have an interesting situation.  My partner and I are both applying to law schools, which might be unusual--I'm not sure.  Anyway, we talked to law professors here and an admissions person at Northwestern, and they all encouraged us to include an addendum on our application that talks about our situation.  We basically said, "We're here.  We're queer. We are going to law school together."  We don't know how it will impact decisions, but we did make it clear that we were not an "either/or" kind of deal.  We wanted them to know, though, that our decision about law schools is somewhat contingent on the others' acceptance.  Anyway, I just thought I would share this with the group. 

PS.  I came out in my personal statement, as did my partner.  I talked about how being gay shaped my understanding of how culture interacts with people's identities.  My partner wants to do public service/civil rights work, so it was relevant to them.  I got the feeling from earlier posts that people thought that coming out might not be a good thing, and I just don't understand that line of reasoning.  I think being gay provides a unique perspective that not many (well, I guess about 10%) have.  Even if it does come across as "Hey, I'm gay," I still think that it won't hurt. 

Anyway, that's my bit.  Glad to know you all--and who knows, maybe we'll see each other in the fall! 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on November 01, 2006, 03:55:26 PM
Welcome and good luck on your apps, topher!  What schools are you and your partner applying to?

I know it's not quite like attending the same school, but you two could also focus on particular geographic areas and then target schools in that vicinity, i.e., Columbia and NYU, Chicago and Northwestern, UCLA and USC, or Boalt and Stanford, etc.  I hope everything works out.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on November 02, 2006, 07:36:06 AM
Thanks, Mike!  We are applying to ten of the top 14, leaving out the schools in Virginia and California.  We don't think that we could live there and both do what we want to do, so that was a pretty easy decision. 

We are very aware of the geographic compatibility of NW and Chicago, though. In fact, in our addendum, we mention something specifically about having options that fit geographically.  Incidentally, he wouldn't be going to school at the same time as me because he wants to do Teach for America.  Like I said, he's REALLY public service driven, and that's why I love him!

Thanks!  We certainly hope that everything works out for us, too!  And I hope that thinkgs work out for you guys, also, though judging by your numbers, you'll have your pick.  What does your partner do?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on November 02, 2006, 09:28:10 AM
topher, my SO and I are in a similar spot except I'm the one hopefully doing teach for america, and she won't be applying until next year.  TFA hasn't done the first round of placements yet... would you go to school wherever he gets placed for the two years?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on November 02, 2006, 09:36:04 AM
Hey, Bridget.  He has contacted T4A, and they said that they are willing to be flexible about his placement.  They should find out sometime soon (Nov 7, I believe), and they'll place him someplace to begin with; then, if our school stuff doesn't work out, then he will not do T4A--shhh!  Don't tell them!  As long as they are willing to work with him, then we should be fine.  They told him that there's a good chance that they can switch him if towns aren't congruous.  We also care for his ailing grandmother, who is in a wheelchair, so that's a factor that T4A said they would consider as well.  We'll see how it works out.  I'm 26, so I'm a bit older and I can't wait any longer to go to school. 

That's neat that you guys are in a similar situation, though!  You guys won't be applying until the next cycle, though--is that what I'm hearing?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on November 02, 2006, 11:46:49 AM
Thanks!  We certainly hope that everything works out for us, too!  And I hope that thinkgs work out for you guys, also, though judging by your numbers, you'll have your pick.  What does your partner do?

Thanks...yeah, I'm hoping my numbers give me some good options!  My partner is an investment banker so we have to stay in an area with a large finance industry.  I'm focused right now on California and the East Coast, although Chicago also has both great law schools and some good banking opportunities.

Topher and Bridget-- Good luck on the TFA placements!  It sounds like a great service experience.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: degrassi on November 02, 2006, 12:23:20 PM
Glad to have found this thread!

I just wanted to comment on the LGBT mailings: I've gotten them from Penn, Columbia and Harvard... I think that is it. They DO send these to your permanent address. And I'd been having my mother open my law school mailings to let me know where I got fee waivers. She's not exactly accepting, in that she isn't accepting at all, so it was not pleasant when she got these letters.

I used one of the strategies somebody mentioned earlier in the thread about pretending they send that to everyone and not knowing why I got it (I got it because I checked the box!)... but I don't know if that worked. My mom was so crazy when I came out (well, I didn't come out, she sort of figured it out...) that I honestly had to just keep lying to her and so now she has deluded herself to believe that I am not, in fact, gay. She's 65, folks; I don't know what to do about her.

Anyways, glad to be here and good luck to everyone!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on November 03, 2006, 08:54:49 AM
Hey, Bridget.  He has contacted T4A, and they said that they are willing to be flexible about his placement.  They should find out sometime soon (Nov 7, I believe), and they'll place him someplace to begin with; then, if our school stuff doesn't work out, then he will not do T4A--shhh!  Don't tell them!  As long as they are willing to work with him, then we should be fine.  They told him that there's a good chance that they can switch him if towns aren't congruous.  We also care for his ailing grandmother, who is in a wheelchair, so that's a factor that T4A said they would consider as well.  We'll see how it works out.  I'm 26, so I'm a bit older and I can't wait any longer to go to school. 

That's neat that you guys are in a similar situation, though!  You guys won't be applying until the next cycle, though--is that what I'm hearing?

I'm applying now, she's applying next year.  So, we'll have to do at least a year in different cities... I'm gunning for a chicago placement so I'll just be a train ride away.  She's abroad right now though, so even though it sucks we know it's possible to do long distance.  Different application years and different numbers mean we're taking more of a "look at schools in the same city" approach.

degrassi, sorry to hear about the problems with your mom.  sucks when the people who are supposed to love you unconditionally... don't.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on November 03, 2006, 09:17:59 AM
That does suck, degrassi.  My mom was pretty uncomfortable about it, but she's gotten progressively better.  My partner's parents are totally supportive, though.  I'm sure if there were a PFLAG branch around, D's mom would totally be president!

So, Bridget, I'm unclear about when you're applying to law schools.  We're definitely looking at Chicago as a top option.  D's going to go ahead and apply for schools and then request to defer if he is accepted into T4A.  I'll just be going directly to school.

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on November 03, 2006, 09:27:57 AM
I'm applying this year, but will defer if I get Teach for America.  It's such a competitive program that I don't want to depend on it. Since I know I want to go to law school and they almost universally allow deferrals for TFA, I'm doing all the applying now.  But my girlfriend still has a year of undergrad left, so she's stuck here in central Illinois.  It's pretty tricky to plan for one person, let alone two people on different schedules.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on November 03, 2006, 09:40:03 AM
Tell me about it!  That's exactly what D is doing.  He just had his interview and should know back on November 7, which is pretty cool.  It'll be nice, though, because that means that he'll have a salary while I'm in my first two years of law school.  Hopefully, I'll be able to work some during my third year, while he's in his first year.  Have you gotten all of your apps in? Where all are you applying?  That'd  be neat if we ended up at the same place?!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on November 03, 2006, 07:16:14 PM
unfortunately, no.  apps are this weekend's project.  I have most of the elements in place, just need a block of time to sit down and put it all together.  I haven't really finalized a list yet, so I suppose that's another problem ;)  my numbers are borderline for some of the schools I'm interested in, so I'm deciding whether to bite the $ bullet and apply anyway or be realistic.  what schools are on your list?

on the topic of the thread, Northeastern sent me a link to their student blogs... they've got two queer students in the "diversity" section.  http://blogs.chatuniversity.com/northeastern/
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Dukie07 on November 06, 2006, 12:09:36 PM
Hey guys,

So I just wrote a rough draft of a diversity statement.  It deals with some gay issues/southern baptism, etc.  I know this isnt the proper forum for this, but I don't want to be subjected to potential disrespect, etc...I was wondering if someone could look at it and let me know what you think?  I'm not sure if it's cheesy or what.  Just PM me if you're willing...I'll bake you cookies.  Thanks so much!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on November 06, 2006, 01:05:11 PM
Dukie, I'm happy to read your PS. 

and as a general piece of knowledge, I've had my queer-related PS/DS read by lots of people on this board and haven't had any disrespect- lots of constructive criticism and support.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: degrassi on November 07, 2006, 11:33:15 AM
Ditto, bridget. Although mine is not centered on the issue at all, it is mentioned (hopefully not in a bad way, this thread made me a bit nervous). While it was torn apart by some readers on LSD, it wasn't in regard to the queer issue.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on November 11, 2006, 10:55:33 AM
Oh and has anyone else the latent or not so latent heterosexism/homophioba of LSN; so strange.

Not-so-latent, and both.  It's nice to see someone acknowledge it, Bouzie.

And RACISM!!! I was scooting around LSN yesterday and every other post is "You only got in because of AA, and you will fail miserably." OMG! I don't want to go to school with these people!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on November 26, 2006, 04:57:17 PM
Hey all, has anyone been finding scholarship info for queer students, or perhaps public interest scholarships that aren't associated with particular law schools? I'm starting to freak out about how I'm going to fund this whole endeavor!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on November 27, 2006, 04:16:28 PM
funny you should ask...  I got a mailing today from Hofstra about a fellowship for students who want to work as LGBT advocates.  it doesn't give an exact dollar amount, but it says something like "substantial" plus funding to work with LGBT related non-profits during the summers.

UChicago has the Stonewall Scholarship, which again isn't listed as a specific amount.  But I like to think they don't name and publicize a scholarship if it's $50 a year and a free school sweatshirt.

University of Washington has a new-ish program funded by the Gates Foundation that provides full tuition and a living expenses stipend for students committed to public interest in general.  many other schools have public interest scholarships- georgetown and nyu for sure.


On a related note, I went to a workshop about anti-gay statistics at the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Conference a few weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised to find it was being given by a team from the Williams Institute of UCLA's law school.  I had no idea such a thing existed.  It's a whole institute devoted to sexuality law at a great school.  I was really impressed and after more research, am applying to UCLA.  They have a special concentration in Public Interest and Policy that looks really cool, too.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Lily Jaye on November 27, 2006, 04:18:52 PM
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Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on November 27, 2006, 05:30:55 PM
I got the Hofstra thing too! At first I was like, "Eh, might as well," but it requires whole separate letters of recommendation and everything! Please!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on November 27, 2006, 06:39:03 PM
Yeah, they sent stuff to me as well.  I would have applied although I'm nervous to COMMIT myself to LBGT advocacy at the moment...who knows where the study of law will take me.  Also, judging from LSN I'll likely be considered for considerable merit aid exclusive of the glbt schol. thing..
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on November 27, 2006, 09:38:17 PM
and, for those of you worried about LGBT mailings at home, the envelope was plain- no nudity or rainbows, just the hofstra address.  the letter said the fellowship is open to all students regardless of orientation, so even if your parents open it, it can be one of those "they send it to everyone" deals.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on November 28, 2006, 12:16:47 AM
Got a viewbook/fee waiver packet from Oregon university today.  An extra LBGTQ recruiting letter was also included.  It was well hidden, so no one could have seen it unless I showed it to them.  And, it was on better looking paper than the official recruiting letter.

P.S.  I've never seen LGBTQ before.  Q = queer?  Don't LGB&T all mean "queer" in one way or another?

There are a lot of people who feel as if they don't fit neatly into the other categories, hence they are queer-identified, but not necessarily lesbian or bisexual (for example). 

Also, in some contexts, Q means "questioning."
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on November 28, 2006, 09:14:33 AM
speaking of LGBTQ, as the GSA adviser at a high school I get mailings basically everyday and the acronym is ever expanding.  Haven't decided if this is a good thing for the sake of inclusiveness or if including 'questioning' people with others who are sure of their identity is something that isn't good for the community.  who knows...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: degrassi on November 28, 2006, 12:13:22 PM
Wow, the Hofstra and Oregon LGBT materials must have been well-hidden because my mother didn't mention them! (I am not at home and she opens my LS mail)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on November 28, 2006, 08:19:06 PM
Interesting...I just got the University of Oregon information, and it's pretty obvious.  It includes a letter from the Outlaws, a bright rainbow LGBT resource guide and a gay-themed CRS cover letter.  Also, no waiver.   :-\
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: degrassi on November 29, 2006, 09:01:25 AM
Interesting...I just got the University of Oregon information, and it's pretty obvious.  It includes a letter from the Outlaws, a bright rainbow LGBT resource guide and a gay-themed CRS cover letter.  Also, no waiver.   :-\

Wow, maybe my mom just didn't open that one? I told her I didn't want it... close call.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: apollok on December 05, 2006, 07:24:12 PM
For those of you that came out in your application, how did you do it? I mean, I mentioned it in my one-page diversity statement, but it was by no means the central theme in that essay, but rather, one of a number of other factors, e.g., my ethnicity. I'm wondering if perhaps I was a bit too discrete and they didn't catch it, since I haven't received a single LGBT-targeted mailing. Thanks!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 05, 2006, 07:29:08 PM
Mike, My guess is that you have a waiver if for some reason I have a waiver...and you are just so much cooler than I...oh yah and your numbers are MUCh better ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 05, 2006, 07:31:20 PM
apoll....did you select that you are LGBT on the LSAT site when you registered.  The mailings would come from that not your personal statement.  Oh as far as pers...I wrote about Goodrich achieving a sociopolitical goal through law, and how it sparked an interest in social policy law...it makes more sense in context---I HOPE
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: apollok on December 05, 2006, 07:40:34 PM
yes, i did...but so far, all i've been receiving are invitations to apply but, alas, no LGBT materials! and I did come out in my application, so i'm a bit confused...I submitted them very early in October and all were complete by November.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 05, 2006, 08:08:16 PM
Apoll...weird nothing from oregon or hofstra?  I wouldnt know anything about T14 recruiting since my sept lsat....well I've blocked that out of my memory ;) 

It appears from LSN that those who comes out in their pers statements get admitted to schools that they are perhaps questionable for.  I put it in my statement anyway because its a big part of who I am and why I want to study law; just thought the LSN correlation was interesting.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: apollok on December 05, 2006, 08:21:33 PM
how were you able to search sexual orientation on LSN?!?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 05, 2006, 09:39:13 PM
Gaydar


...and by reading peoples profile boxes....im OBSESSED with law school admissions right now.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on December 05, 2006, 11:14:44 PM
I believe a wave of LGBT CRS letters was sent out from us (and I hope we qualify as a "big name"), but I don't know how they decided who would get it.  Admits should be getting an email or phone call based on CRS or their personal statement, but none of that has started yet.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: degrassi on December 06, 2006, 10:37:57 AM
I believe a wave of LGBT CRS letters was sent out from us (and I hope we qualify as a "big name"), but I don't know how they decided who would get it.  Admits should be getting an email or phone call based on CRS or their personal statement, but none of that has started yet.

Yes, Harvard did send out LGBT information as did Columbia. These = big names in my book!

It was definitely all based on the CRS info from LSAC though -- I hadn't even applied to the places yet before receiving the LGBT letters/etc.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: darlinalexi on December 06, 2006, 10:42:45 AM
I'm a straight female, but I am wanting to go to school for LGBT advocacy and public interest law.  I'd also be interested in learning which top schools are not receptive to gay issues or don't feel that it is a relevant issue in their curriculum.


I'm also applying to the Hofstra fellowship, and I'm worried that I might get backlash because I'm not an LGBT candidate.  However, the only reason I want to be a lawyer is so I can fight for equal rights.

And if you are reading this and thinking to yourself "she's a hag"... you're correct :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on December 06, 2006, 12:41:46 PM
That's interesting--maybe the CRS mailings were for people who had not applied yet?  I have not gotten anything LGBT related from Harvard or Columbia, although I would certainly welcome some stuff! I checked the CRS box, but I didn't write about it in my statements.

Bouzie: I've also been searching LSN for other LGBT applicants! It's really easy to do a site search through google.  BTW, how did your re-take go?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 06, 2006, 12:44:23 PM
thats awesome darlina!!!...The hofstra thing is interesting since they give away so much financial aid to people with scores over 160 anyway.  It seems like taking the fellowship pays less than standard aid packages and forces people into committing to lgbt stuff.  This could be completely cool, but also take into account that Hofstra isnt exactly placing people at the HRC.  Who knows?  definitely an admiral intention on their part ! :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on December 09, 2006, 07:08:16 PM
Hey all, thanks Mike for the tip about the Google site search - I'd been hoping to find gay applicants on LSN for *months* and hadn't figured out how to do it!! So, but I'm not seeing queers admitted to schools they would otherwise not have been. Can someone give me a couple examples, either here or PM, to boost my spirits? What about lesbians - not seeing lots of those, admitted or otherwise. Maybe that's a good sign?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 09, 2006, 07:18:42 PM
Mike-  Google, GREAT idea.  I think my retake went exceptionally well, although I don't want to put the cart before the horse.  Scored a 163 in Sept  My practice tests were round 'bout 175 so I'm not too sure what to expect.  I've decided that I'll be happy with anything over 165 but am expecting a score significantly higher- we'll see.  Thank you for asking :)


Also, I'm in the process of writing about 5 different personal statements---I can never stay with one for long without coming up with a different approach.  Does anyone want to volunteer to read through the final product sometime soon.  I'd love to get an LGBT person's perspective.  I'd be eternally grateful and will repay you with lots of good vibes ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 09, 2006, 07:31:49 PM
Who wouldn't know Mrs. Garrett?



This is the LGBT thread....biased sample ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: louisville43 on December 10, 2006, 08:34:42 AM
For those of you that came out in your application, how did you do it? I mean, I mentioned it in my one-page diversity statement, but it was by no means the central theme in that essay, but rather, one of a number of other factors, e.g., my ethnicity. I'm wondering if perhaps I was a bit too discrete and they didn't catch it, since I haven't received a single LGBT-targeted mailing. Thanks!

My personal statement was probably a little different than most.  I talked about my relationship with my father and how it evolved over the years, from his concerns about my work ethic (or lack thereof) and my sexual orientation, to the pride at how I'd developed into a hardworking man.  I also talked about how as a gay man in his 40's, I could add a perspective that might otherwise be missing from class discussions.  I decided to disclose this in the personal statement to see if it made any difference at all to the schools to which I was applying.  So far, so good.  Samford and Mercer let me in pretty quickly, and they're both pretty conservative Southern Baptist schools.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on December 11, 2006, 03:12:22 PM
I've been waiting for a Northeastern fee waiver for weeks, and today i finally got one- not because i'm above their 75ths, but because I'm in love with a woman.  I'll take what I can get.

Anyone else get this today?  the waiver form actually has the code CRSGLBT on it.  it's a pretty good mailing, with a mini law magazine featuring their graduates who work for gay rights and a letter from the "gender, sexuality, and the law" professor.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on December 11, 2006, 09:33:54 PM
If any of you who want to be active in LGBT stuff on campus end up seriously considering Northwestern, track me down because I have a friend with whom you may want to speak.  Nothing disastrous, but I don't think he was very happy with the queer population there.  Also, there's mobo from last cycle if you can find her. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on December 12, 2006, 10:38:56 AM
If any of you who want to be active in LGBT stuff on campus end up seriously considering Northwestern, track me down because I have a friend with whom you may want to speak.  Nothing disastrous, but I don't think he was very happy with the queer population there.  Also, there's mobo from last cycle if you can find her. :)

Wow, anything in particular you can share with us here about Northwestern?  I have heard their LGBT population is very small, but not much else.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on December 12, 2006, 12:30:35 PM
If any of you who want to be active in LGBT stuff on campus end up seriously considering Northwestern, track me down because I have a friend with whom you may want to speak.  Nothing disastrous, but I don't think he was very happy with the queer population there.  Also, there's mobo from last cycle if you can find her. :)

Wow, anything in particular you can share with us here about Northwestern?  I have heard their LGBT population is very small, but not much else.

I was being melodramatic, I think!  Forgive me.  Mostly, I've heard that it's a very small and not particularly tightknit community; I think it's getting better.  Mobo, who started there this year but isn't to be around LSD these days, seems quite happy.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: degrassi on December 12, 2006, 12:50:01 PM
I've been waiting for a Northeastern fee waiver for weeks, and today i finally got one- not because i'm above their 75ths, but because I'm in love with a woman.  I'll take what I can get.

Anyone else get this today?  the waiver form actually has the code CRSGLBT on it.  it's a pretty good mailing, with a mini law magazine featuring their graduates who work for gay rights and a letter from the "gender, sexuality, and the law" professor.

I got it, too.  I pulled it out of the giant envelope, took one look at the magazine, went "oop!," and shoved it back in.  So, warning for all those needing to play it cool: this one looks normal, but is pretty obvious once it comes out of the envelope.

P.S.  I thought the waiver code was pretty interesting as well.

Wow, I am so glad I told my mom to junk the Northeastern mailing! That one would have been disastrous. Crisis averted. :: Whew::
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on December 15, 2006, 09:40:48 PM
I just got a box from my mom with all the mail that has been accumulating at home and there were all the LGBT promo materials from Oregon, the LGBT fee waiver from Northeastern, etc. I am so glad my mom doesn't open my mail unless I tell her to.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: S.A. on December 18, 2006, 12:31:23 PM
Do they really send stuff to your permanent address?? I thought they sent it to your mailing address?? wtf??
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on December 18, 2006, 05:13:01 PM
Do they really send stuff to your permanent address?? I thought they sent it to your mailing address?? wtf??

Almost everything I have received from any law school, and it's been tons, has gone to my permanent address (including the few LGBT mailings). My mom has had to send me small boxes of law school related mail every couple of weeks, kind of annoying.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: S.A. on December 19, 2006, 03:24:05 AM
that's weird - I get everything at my mailing address... at least so far... i hope it stays that way
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on December 19, 2006, 08:05:11 AM
I was getting stuff at my permanent address back in September.  I put my school address in for permanent after I discovered that, and no mail has been sent anywhere but here ever since.


My sister sent me this today: http://insidehighered.com/news/2006/12/19/gilligan
it references this site: http://www.truthwinsout.org/  which I don't remember ever hearing about before.

I mention it here because Gilligan is a law professor at NYU.  I had heard of her in relation to Women's Studies stuff but never law.  This grain of info makes me like NYU a bit more.  I went complete there yesterday-- a happy coincidence.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on December 20, 2006, 09:42:49 PM
congrats, Slayer!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: waningdelusion on December 21, 2006, 12:14:13 AM
yeah, i didn't get around to reading every page, so sorry if anything has been said already.

so funny story, at the dallas forum i talked to the baylor rep about the glbt representation on campus, etc...and she tells me, no joke, i don't advise you to attend baylor or to mention your orientation in your application as it will most certainly dissuade the admissions officers from viewing your application without bias or possibly discrimination.  now she said this without making eye contact while tripping over every word.

that being said, it took all of two weeks after complete for them to accept me andoffer me full tuition, and i came out very clearly in my ps.  so maybe it was just her...i look forward to visiting, seeing what it's really like, though it's at the bottom of my list.

also, OMG.  so i'm from a west texas southern baptist farm family, totally not out to my family.  and yes, they send things to the perm.  at first i had my mother open things for me because i didn't want to wait until the mailed them to me...she was like "you have been selected for this mailing because uhm....uh...i uh...i don't really understand this.  it'snothing.  i'll just mail it to you.  i dont'know.  shoudl i throw it away?  no?  well.  i can send it to you if you want, it's nothing.  whatever.  i uh...oh.  another call.  love you!"  no joke.  a week later, i find out what it said.  so advice to you all, have your parents forward anything directly to you if you're worried about it. 

lastly, in between applying and waiting for some answers i've become rather obsessed with lsd, and it's wonderful to find this thread!  am i rambling?  okay i'm a little drunk, i can never resist a martini or three on wednesday.  whelp. 

holla
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: darlinalexi on December 22, 2006, 05:08:15 PM
So yeah, I bombed the LSAT (152)... anyone know of any schools with LGBT programs in tier 3 and 4?

-Ali
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on December 22, 2006, 07:13:49 PM
Waning, that is weird about Baylor... I can't believe they would openly tell you that if you're gay you have a worse chance of getting in - that is shocking really.
Possibly shocking, but absolutely nothing illegal or actionable about it.

for darlinalexi - have you looked at the LSAC guide? Do you want specifically LGBT-related programs, or just an LGBT-friendly environment?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: darlinalexi on December 22, 2006, 11:56:35 PM
I would be happy with either program.  I am straight, but I'm interested in public interest law with a focus on lgbt advocacy law.

-Alexi
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on December 23, 2006, 08:02:13 PM
I would be happy with either program.  I am straight, but I'm interested in public interest law with a focus on lgbt advocacy law.

-Alexi
Take a look at the LSAC guide; it lists schools that have a more favorable environment, as well as available programs. Consider that a lot of public interest programs would also give you the opportunity for independent research/externships, I'd think. (Not sure about religious universities on that front; I think in that subset, ymmv). Take a look at conferences like Lavender Law, and see which schools are sending people to talk at them; then you have a bit of an idea of where some of the faculty are that are involved in research. Also, contact the LGBT student organizations at the places where you're interested in going; they can give you an idea of the classes.

I'm not much of a public interest/LGBT law person myself outside of personal interest. I remember when I was applying that Hofstra sent me a bunch of info. Depending on your numbers, also consider something like this: http://www.law.uchicago.edu/financial/stonewall.html

Hopefully some of this helps.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: wtwall on December 25, 2006, 08:13:33 PM
Howdy all.

Anybody out there care to comment regarding any rank 30-90 schools in the Midwest-ish area that are pretty gay-friendly?  So far, I'm in at Cincinnati and am particularly curious about the school and the city, as I've heard good things about both. 

Anything in general about Midwest schools in that rank range (no, I won't be getting into the likes of U-Chicago or NW, trust me :D) would be appreciated, though.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: powpow62 on December 26, 2006, 08:15:25 AM
Howdy all.

Anybody out there care to comment regarding any rank 30-90 schools in the Midwest-ish area that are pretty gay-friendly?  So far, I'm in at Cincinnati and am particularly curious about the school and the city, as I've heard good things about both. 

Anything in general about Midwest schools in that rank range (no, I won't be getting into the likes of U-Chicago or NW, trust me :D) would be appreciated, though.

For sure you can feel the old-timer grunts directed at gays – but I think you can find that in all mid west cities.  Despite Cincinnati’s conservative rep, I think UC is really open to gays.  Music and design are really big at UC for undergrad and grad.  Also, at the law school there are so many people there for the Urban Morgan Institute for Human Rights.  I really feel like those programs have attracted a lot of people with progressive attitudes.  That’s just my observation - I’m assuming you could find a lot of the same in most urban campuses. 

If you do come visit be sure to go to the Northside.  It’s a neighborhood close to the university with great eats, drinks, and music.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 26, 2006, 08:45:52 AM
Howdy all.

Anybody out there care to comment regarding any rank 30-90 schools in the Midwest-ish area that are pretty gay-friendly?  So far, I'm in at Cincinnati and am particularly curious about the school and the city, as I've heard good things about both. 

Anything in general about Midwest schools in that rank range (no, I won't be getting into the likes of U-Chicago or NW, trust me :D) would be appreciated, though.



IU-Bloomington---great school and great atmosphere.  Liberal haven in the middle of Indiana.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 26, 2006, 12:27:48 PM
I have a friend at IUB right now who claims it is pretty conservative but that's just his interpretation I guess.

Really?  Thats not what I got from there but he probably has more of a knowledge base than I do.  The town has a Buddhist monastery and is home to HH the Dalai Lama's brother, how conservative could it be??? ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on December 26, 2006, 01:08:14 PM
I'm sure everyone has their own interpretations and own definitions of what constitutes "liberal." I have never been there so I have no idea...

I thought Duke was pretty gay-friendly even though others would probably fiercely disagree. *Shrugs*

I was actually going to use the example that Duke was decried by the northernors as being too southern and the southernors as being too northern. 

In retrospect, I don't really think the student body as a whole was not gay-friendly, but it felt like a bad place to be gay and single and acclimating to your identity. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 26, 2006, 01:15:57 PM
I've found this chart form lsac that Im sure you've all seen to be helpful

http://www.lsac.org/lsac/lgbt-frameset.html


Although it doesn't say anything about the atmospheres of law schools or provide anything qualitative it does at least provide the applicant with an idea of where the administration stands on LGBT issues.  Its also helpful to me to know where LGBT status is viewed as a "positive admissions factor."  I'm on the bubble of so many schools that I need any help I can get.  I was surprised by some of the schools who viewed LGBT status as a positive admit factor; notably Loyola Marymount and Fordham.   The data was enough for me to apply for a loooooooooooongshot chance of admit at Duke and Cornell.   btw Cornell goes as far as to ask about lgbt status on the application.


I don't know how big a factor lgbt status is but at least its not something entirely overlooked by law schools.  Also, at a minimum I'm happy to learn that it appears that LGBT apps are not viewed negatively by adcomms
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: wtwall on December 26, 2006, 02:23:01 PM
I'm sure everyone has their own interpretations and own definitions of what constitutes "liberal." I have never been there so I have no idea...

I thought Duke was pretty gay-friendly even though others would probably fiercely disagree. *Shrugs*

I was actually going to use the example that Duke was decried by the northernors as being too southern and the southernors as being too northern. 

In retrospect, I don't really think the student body as a whole was not gay-friendly, but it felt like a bad place to be gay and single and acclimating to your identity. 

This hits the heart of what I'm curious about.  I went to undergrad in a very rural, pretty conservative background.  I've worked for the past three years after undergrad in the same environment and have just started to explore the idea of coming out of the closet.  Law school will be a huge transition in and of itself.  I don't feel I need to go to the gay-friendliest school, I just want to try to pick a school where I'll be comfortable not pretending to be straight.  I'm a private person by nature, so I'll never be one of those people that shouts it to the wind (nothing against that!!) -- but I'm really tired of having to rebuke coworkers' attempts to set me up with a girl w/o being honest with them about who I am.

Does any of that make sense?  I'm prone to rambling a bit.  What I'm trying to say is...I want a school where, if someone asks me if I'm gay, I can just say yes and not worry too much about a huge backlash.  I'm sure as I become more open, I'll want to get involved in gay-rights groups and the like...but at this point, I just want a place where I'll be semi-comfortable.

BTW, thanks for all the feedback everyone.  Anybody that has more, please feel free. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on December 26, 2006, 03:20:12 PM
UIUC is 3 points away from your 30-90 request, but I can tell you what it's like for undergrad.  Honestly though, I think undergrad, especially at such a big school, is going to be way different from law school.  Even the biggest law schools don't have classes much above 500.  I did what you seem to be hoping for- getting used to it, getting comfortable, telling when asked- during freshman/sophomore year but I had a huge selection of people and groups to choose to spend time with, so I chose carefully.  After spending time with them and coming out to them enough, it wasn't scary to be honest with people I didn't know as well.

it seems like what might be important in your search would be to make sure the schools you are interested in have active LGBT groups, along with nearby civilization and maybe a larger school community. 

Also, I know it's not midwest, but Northeastern (in Boston) calls itself the queerest law school in the country. I've gotten two lgbt mailings from them, one at school, and one to my parents' house (I have NO idea how they got that address, but it happened to come christmas eve when i was there for dinner) which had a handwritten note from the dean of admissions, who is queer.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 27, 2006, 08:54:36 AM
HELP!!!!    Financial aid question!!

My parents are divorced and my father has cut off all support since I came out to him (not that this was much in the first place).  I spoke to him about the financial aid process and he flat out refuses to disclose any of his financial information to me or to any law school.  Has anyone run into something similar?  What should I do????


Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh why is ruining my life my fathers mission????
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on December 27, 2006, 12:51:47 PM
I'm sorry, Bouzie.  That's just terrible.

There were a couple of people in this situation last year, but unfortunately both of them have deleted their accounts.  I think the best thing to do is to contact the schools to explain.  Most will make an exception for you if you are willing to put in writing that you aren't going to receive any support from your father and that if he has a major change of heart you will let them know immediately. (If you have previous contact with the admissions office, call there first; if they like you and want you to matriculate, they may make a special call on your behalf to the financial aid office.)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 27, 2006, 03:15:57 PM
Thanks for your resonses Sax and Ms P.  Please don't feel sorry for me ;) I wasnt expecting any support from him anyway but i thought he would AT LEAST fill out a damned form...urgh.  Maybe Ill start by attaching an addendum to the financial aid forms? That seems to be what Emory suggests.  This might be a little easier if I wasn't applying to twenty schools....yeah I know- I have weird numbers
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on December 27, 2006, 03:57:35 PM
bouzie, I'm in similar situation and was planning to just call schools individually to ask about it.  I'm only applying to 8 though...

I have to wonder, do people's parents actually contribute to paying for law school?  it seems so cruel to ask for parents' financial information otherwise, but maybe that means a lot of people do have parents willing to foot the bill.  mind-boggling to me....
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 27, 2006, 04:14:13 PM
bouzie, I'm in similar situation and was planning to just call schools individually to ask about it.  I'm only applying to 8 though...

I have to wonder, do people's parents actually contribute to paying for law school?  it seems so cruel to ask for parents' financial information otherwise, but maybe that means a lot of people do have parents willing to foot the bill.  mind-boggling to me....


Bridget, I'm with you!  Actually, I don't quite understand those who have parents contribute to their undergrad degrees.  I know its pretty standard but its just foreign to me so i dont get it ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 27, 2006, 04:26:16 PM
I think because many students are claimed as dependents on their parents tax returns up until age 25, that schools just ask for information from everyone, as most students probably enter under that age. 

Saxby,

It makes sense if applicants are claimed by their parents on taxes.  However, I can't think of one person that I know for whom this is the situation.  It borders on silly for many.  I'm a high school teacher three years out of undergrad, rummaging through my mommys finances seems ridiculously silly.  But I'll humor them since I want to go to law school: :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on December 27, 2006, 11:09:35 PM
bouzie, I'm in similar situation and was planning to just call schools individually to ask about it.  I'm only applying to 8 though...

I have to wonder, do people's parents actually contribute to paying for law school?  it seems so cruel to ask for parents' financial information otherwise, but maybe that means a lot of people do have parents willing to foot the bill.  mind-boggling to me....


Bridget, I'm with you!  Actually, I don't quite understand those who have parents contribute to their undergrad degrees.  I know its pretty standard but its just foreign to me so i dont get it ;)

I am, um, significantly older than all of you, and my parents are not contributing to law school.  (I've lived on my own for half of my life now!)  None of the schools to which I applied released me from the obligation of providing my parents' tax returns, etc.  I think it's totally insane.  I would hate to see what my expected contribution would look like without my merit scholarships... (and I may find out next year!)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on December 28, 2006, 08:22:30 AM
Howdy all.

Anybody out there care to comment regarding any rank 30-90 schools in the Midwest-ish area that are pretty gay-friendly?  So far, I'm in at Cincinnati and am particularly curious about the school and the city, as I've heard good things about both. 

Anything in general about Midwest schools in that rank range (no, I won't be getting into the likes of U-Chicago or NW, trust me :D) would be appreciated, though.
In Chicago, you'll find the private schools (Kent/Marshall) more gay friendly, speaking institutionally, than the Catholic Universities (De Paul/Loyola). However, each school has an active LGBT group this year and all the groups tend to be in communication with each other. Plus there's a pretty active citywide organization that has monthly stuff during the semester for law students.

Chicago's also the site of next September's Lavender Law conference.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on December 28, 2006, 08:31:42 AM
Bouzie - good luck with the apps. I'd definitely talk to adcomms about the situation, and find out what to do.

I can't remember if schools specifically asked me for my parents returns or not. If they did, I refused to submit them (politely refused). I've been on my own for a long time, and have sole responsibility for myself. I even have parents that would have gladly supply any information, but I don't see where they'd have to as it wasn't relevant to my application. In any case, I don't think that part of the app hurt me anywhere that I applied. My GPA/LSAT score and late applications were probably quite a bit more determinative.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: wtwall on December 28, 2006, 07:24:48 PM
Slacker-

I definetly have my eye on Kent, although they've yet to grace me with an acceptance.  I just got into SLU a couple days ago and am seriously considering it...it's still early in the cycle, though.  Hopefully Kent will give me some good news.

Although...cost of living in Chicago definetly makes me nervous. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Lily Jaye on December 28, 2006, 08:21:47 PM
bouzie, I'm in similar situation and was planning to just call schools individually to ask about it.  I'm only applying to 8 though...

I have to wonder, do people's parents actually contribute to paying for law school?  it seems so cruel to ask for parents' financial information otherwise, but maybe that means a lot of people do have parents willing to foot the bill.  mind-boggling to me....


Bridget, I'm with you!  Actually, I don't quite understand those who have parents contribute to their undergrad degrees.  I know its pretty standard but its just foreign to me so i dont get it ;)

I am, um, significantly older than all of you, and my parents are not contributing to law school.  (I've lived on my own for half of my life now!)  None of the schools to which I applied released me from the obligation of providing my parents' tax returns, etc.  I think it's totally insane.  I would hate to see what my expected contribution would look like without my merit scholarships... (and I may find out next year!)

Wait, you're transferring?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 28, 2006, 10:59:38 PM
tlaking about me in the third person I see?????  Thats not me, its a french actor named romaine duris.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 28, 2006, 11:33:17 PM
Oh good, so someone famous I shouldn't recognize. 


No no, you should recognize him.  Please go rent Lauberge Espagnole.  Its the best movie EVER.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on December 29, 2006, 02:24:47 AM
bouzie, I'm in similar situation and was planning to just call schools individually to ask about it.  I'm only applying to 8 though...

I have to wonder, do people's parents actually contribute to paying for law school?  it seems so cruel to ask for parents' financial information otherwise, but maybe that means a lot of people do have parents willing to foot the bill.  mind-boggling to me....


Bridget, I'm with you!  Actually, I don't quite understand those who have parents contribute to their undergrad degrees.  I know its pretty standard but its just foreign to me so i dont get it ;)

I am, um, significantly older than all of you, and my parents are not contributing to law school.  (I've lived on my own for half of my life now!)  None of the schools to which I applied released me from the obligation of providing my parents' tax returns, etc.  I think it's totally insane.  I would hate to see what my expected contribution would look like without my merit scholarships... (and I may find out next year!)

Wait, you're transferring?

Oh, goodness no!  I was referring to my applications last year.  Sorry for any confusion, folks!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on December 29, 2006, 10:30:11 AM
No no, you should recognize him.  Please go rent Lauberge Espagnole.  Its the best movie EVER.
On this point we shall have to firmly disagree. Not even the presence of Audrey Tautou could make that movie "the best." A notch above average, maybe; but I'd have to stop there.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 29, 2006, 10:51:13 AM
No no, you should recognize him.  Please go rent Lauberge Espagnole.  Its the best movie EVER.
On this point we shall have to firmly disagree. Not even the presence of Audrey Tautou could make that movie "the best." A notch above average, maybe; but I'd have to stop there.



...we better not end up at the same place because thems fightin' words!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on December 29, 2006, 11:01:08 AM
No no, you should recognize him.  Please go rent Lauberge Espagnole.  Its the best movie EVER.
On this point we shall have to firmly disagree. Not even the presence of Audrey Tautou could make that movie "the best." A notch above average, maybe; but I'd have to stop there.
...we better not end up at the same place because thems fightin' words!
I truly hope we don't end up in the same place since I'm scheduled to graduate in May.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 29, 2006, 11:12:23 AM
No no, you should recognize him.  Please go rent Lauberge Espagnole.  Its the best movie EVER.
On this point we shall have to firmly disagree. Not even the presence of Audrey Tautou could make that movie "the best." A notch above average, maybe; but I'd have to stop there.
...we better not end up at the same place because thems fightin' words!
I truly hope we don't end up in the same place since I'm scheduled to graduate in May.




aH GOOD,  then I can put away my boxing gloves :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on December 29, 2006, 11:15:26 AM
No no, you should recognize him.  Please go rent Lauberge Espagnole.  Its the best movie EVER.
On this point we shall have to firmly disagree. Not even the presence of Audrey Tautou could make that movie "the best." A notch above average, maybe; but I'd have to stop there.
...we better not end up at the same place because thems fightin' words!
I truly hope we don't end up in the same place since I'm scheduled to graduate in May.

aH GOOD,  then I can put away my boxing gloves :)
Don't worry, it saves you the embarassment of being beaten by a girl.  :-*
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: darrow on December 31, 2006, 12:00:55 AM
No no, you should recognize him.  Please go rent Lauberge Espagnole.  Its the best movie EVER.

I signed up for it on Netflix. After all it is listed (on Netflix) as recommended to me based on two of my favorites, Antonia's Line and Y Tu Mama Tambien. For anyone who has not seen Antonia's Line, please take a look see.

wtwall, why not make it a point to pick a place where you will be very comfortable instead of semi-comfortable? Being who you are and being able to be comfortable with yourself, and your friends (if they are gay), will only serve to help you in your study of the law. Perhaps checking the queer box on the app is a good idea so that you can get some of the mailings from the organizations at the schools. If you aren't ready to check the form, you may want to contact (phone or email) some of the LGBT organizations at the schools and get feedback from some of the students. I wish you the best in your process of coming out.

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: wtwall on December 31, 2006, 08:36:57 PM
I checked the box. :)

Mostly, I was posting just to ask what everybody knew regarding the gay-friendliness of the schools ranked in the range I mentioned in the midwest (30-90 or so), as well as the gay-friendliness of the cities too.  I'm still planning on visiting alot of the schools I get into and I'm not gonna pick a school based solely on how gay-friendly they are, but like you said...I want to go somewhere where I'll be comfortable.

Thanks for all the feedback thus far, all.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on December 31, 2006, 09:14:07 PM
I checked the box. :)

Mostly, I was posting just to ask what everybody knew regarding the gay-friendliness of the schools ranked in the range I mentioned in the midwest (30-90 or so), as well as the gay-friendliness of the cities too.  I'm still planning on visiting alot of the schools I get into and I'm not gonna pick a school based solely on how gay-friendly they are, but like you said...I want to go somewhere where I'll be comfortable.

Thanks for all the feedback thus far, all.


If you get a chance it would be great if you could post your feelings about the lgbt climate at the school/in the city after you visit to give the rest of us an idea :)

At the end of February I believe Im visiting Bloomington, Minneapolis, Nashville, and St. Louis for law school visits...Im apparently destined for the midwest!!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: wtwall on January 01, 2007, 02:29:46 AM
I checked the box. :)

Mostly, I was posting just to ask what everybody knew regarding the gay-friendliness of the schools ranked in the range I mentioned in the midwest (30-90 or so), as well as the gay-friendliness of the cities too.  I'm still planning on visiting alot of the schools I get into and I'm not gonna pick a school based solely on how gay-friendly they are, but like you said...I want to go somewhere where I'll be comfortable.

Thanks for all the feedback thus far, all.


If you get a chance it would be great if you could post your feelings about the lgbt climate at the school/in the city after you visit to give the rest of us an idea :)

At the end of February I believe Im visiting Bloomington, Minneapolis, Nashville, and St. Louis for law school visits...Im apparently destined for the midwest!!!

The midwest isn't too bad...although I wouldn't recommend a rural area (I've been a therapist in one for the past two years after college and I've stayed closeted with good cause).  I've got my eye on Bloomington, but they've yet to give me a nod.  Hopefully by February I'll have somethings fleshed out...right now I'll end up visiting Cinci and SLU.  I like the St. Louis area overall, though...so there top contender right now.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: wtwall on January 01, 2007, 03:29:53 PM
No love for Ann Arbor, the gayest city on earth?

 :'(

I would KILL to go to U-Mich.  Unfortunetly, I wouldn't really classify it as a "super-reach" school; instead, it's more of a "yeah, right...umm, we're really not interested in taking someone with your subpar LSAT score...and you went WHERE for undergrad?" school.

I still applied there, but in case my sarcasm was too mild, I'm less than optimistic. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 01, 2007, 04:13:57 PM
No love for Ann Arbor, the gayest city on earth?

 :'(

I would KILL to go to U-Mich.  Unfortunetly, I wouldn't really classify it as a "super-reach" school; instead, it's more of a "yeah, right...umm, we're really not interested in taking someone with your subpar LSAT score...and you went WHERE for undergrad?" school.

I still applied there, but in case my sarcasm was too mild, I'm less than optimistic. :)


Im with you WT
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 01, 2007, 05:30:45 PM
Exactly...  I figure I owe it to myself to give it a shot.  I love everything about UM and its worth it to me to spend the 70 bucks for them to say no thanks just so I know that some sort of strange admissions miracle wasn't going to happen IF ONLY I HAD APPLIED.


Meanwhile, February LSAT, here I come....
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 02, 2007, 09:15:25 AM
Is February the new one?


Theyre changing the reading comp format a bit in June.  I havent looked into it too much since this february test is going to max me out for the next 5 years.  Wow, I'm so so so so pathetic.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on January 02, 2007, 04:09:28 PM
Aside from stating that L'Auberge Espanole is a great movie, this post isn't very on topic...


I feel stupid for asking this on a law-related board, but can any of you Political Science/government majors explain to me how the massachusetts legislature works?  they voted today to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot that would ban future same sex marriages (though they do still need further approval before it actually goes to voters)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/us/02cnd-gay.html?hp&ex=1167800400&en=b391e32bcf96a04b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

apparently they can put things on the ballot with two votes in which at least 50 members approve.  How the hell do 50 people get to decide for a legislature of 200?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 02, 2007, 07:17:45 PM
Aside from stating that L'Auberge Espanole is a great movie, this post isn't very on topic...


I feel stupid for asking this on a law-related board, but can any of you Political Science/government majors explain to me how the massachusetts legislature works?  they voted today to put a constitutional amendment on the ballot that would ban future same sex marriages (though they do still need further approval before it actually goes to voters)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/02/us/02cnd-gay.html?hp&ex=1167800400&en=b391e32bcf96a04b&ei=5094&partner=homepage

apparently they can put things on the ballot with two votes in which at least 50 members approve.  How the hell do 50 people get to decide for a legislature of 200?



Hey bridget, I live in Boston, so Im probably mor einformed about this than most.

Since 2004 the Massachusetts Lesgislature has not achiceve a majority same-sex marriage amendment.   Actually, support for SSM among the legislature and the population in general has been increasing since 200, to the point where SSM is suported by about 60% of the electorate and probably a greater portion of the legislature (although I dont know the exact numbers here)

Anti-gay groups are annoyed that theyre losing so they are going through the process of amending the consitituion through citizen initiative.  Basically they has to collect tens of thousands of signatures (they did much of this fradulenty, doing things like asking people to sign a petition to allow wine to be sold in grocery stores when it was actually the ssm petition or asking people to sign other, liberal petitions and telling people they had to sign two forms, the bottom of which was a SSM petition.  Anyway, they got their number with signatures to spare so it didnt matter all that much except in prinicple.

So now what needs to happen is that the state constiutional convention, which consists of the H and the S and totals about 200 members, must have FIFTY votes in support of the meausure for TWO consecutive legislative sessions in order for it to appear on the ballot in 2008.  The Convention first met a few months ago and after hours of debate and protests and all that fun stuff they voted to adjourn without a vote, effectively killing the measure.  So then our crazy republican mormon (sorry mormons) governor who is trying to run for president and is achieving populariuty by trashing our state wherever he goes, takes out a law suit as a private citizen against the massachusetts legislature.  The Supreme Judicial Court, which is a friend of the GLBT community, in a storngly worded opinion said that sep of powers prohibited them from ordering the legislature from doing anything, but that the legislature was not living up to its constitutional responsibility.   So today they voted on in again, and I believe that it passed the 25% needed.  My feeling is that they probably did this to shut Romney up and take away from his campaign winds.  THe last thing any Massachusetts Democrat wants to see is Mitt Romney as president, the guy is truly horrible. 

Anyway, the measure will need to be taken up by the legislature AGAIN next year, where my guess is they will NOT meet the 50 vote threshold.  Even if they do, Massachusetts voters are not going to approve of it if it hits the ballot in 2008.  The TINY conservative base is just not going to concede defeat.  Mass is their worst nightmare bc although gay marriage here originated with the SJC decision, it now has fairly widespread support among Mass residents and politicians.  All of the democratic gubenatorial candidates in this years election were supports of equal marriage, and even the republican joke of a candidate (romneys lt governor) was a strong supporter of civil unions.   Also in an effort not to lose one of our seats in the House Massachsuetts is going through fairly substantial efforts to register our gigantic student base to vote in massachusetts.  Most dont think that the amendment has any chance of passing, but im sure we'll be dealing with it in one form or another for years to come...


DAMN long post, I hope it was at least a little helpful
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on January 03, 2007, 12:51:11 AM
thanks, bouzie.  i knew some of the history, but I didn't know Mass. was so in favor SSM overall.  it just confused me that something could pass with 50 votes, even if needs to happen twice.  and I was too lazy to go back and review poli sci 101 : )
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 03, 2007, 10:15:05 AM
thanks, bouzie.  i knew some of the history, but I didn't know Mass. was so in favor SSM overall.  it just confused me that something could pass with 50 votes, even if needs to happen twice.  and I was too lazy to go back and review poli sci 101 : )


We were discussing federalism in my 8th grade Socail Studies class today and one of my kids mentioned the marraige amendment, they were all pretty disgusted with the legislature.  Its nice to see kids, especially at such a young age, recognizing that now allowing for equal marriage rights is pretty ridiculous.  The kids didnt quite get the intricacies of the Massachusetts amednment process though ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 09, 2007, 02:50:11 PM
I didn't know that so many people in Mass were so supportive of marriage equality. That made me smile :) so thanks for the post :)


Im not sure if people are supportive or just sick of the damned issue.  Im just glad romney is gone.  BTW, hes running for president; please dont vote for him.   ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 09, 2007, 06:52:36 PM
Slayer,

I'm sorry about the comments you had to endure today; I hate that type of stuff too.

I just checked out your LSN, is Michigan your first choice?  If so we could be UM Outlaws pals....well if a miracle happens or I score how im supposed to on my february lsat (haha)!



I think I need to stop posting to this thread, I feel like Im monopolizing...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on January 11, 2007, 08:45:52 AM
Since we're talking about Michigan . . . my status checker went to decision yesterday. Eeeeeeeekkkk. Pray for me, heh heh, or whatever we heathens do!  ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on January 11, 2007, 06:24:45 PM
Since we're talking about Michigan . . . my status checker went to decision yesterday. Eeeeeeeekkkk. Pray for me, heh heh, or whatever we heathens do!  ;)

Good luck, kates!  I guess I count as a heathen, so I'll just keep my fingers crossed for you.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 11, 2007, 07:46:09 PM
Mike,

CONGRATS ON YALE!  You make the gays proud.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 12, 2007, 07:42:29 AM
I thread for the gays - how did I miss it??? I'll join up belatedly now. Any more time spent in the "What will GW do this week???" thread and my hair will fall out.

Trying worrying about 18 outstanding applications during the night while teaching a room full of 13 year olds.  Had to shave my head at age 24 ;)


At least I lucked out with a hot cranium.


Good luck with GW!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on January 12, 2007, 09:17:26 AM
Thanks guys!! Mail comes at 4pm, so five more hours. And just 29 more hours until tomorrow's mail . . .

Quote
I'm church browsing at the moment because I grew up in rather conservative christian congregations and i'm looking for a new church... I heard that the United Church of Christ is a good one for Christians.... thoughts?
Can't help you there, I'm a real live fire-breathing heathen. All I know is Unitarians are supposed to be rad. Good luck!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on January 12, 2007, 12:32:45 PM
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Pray for me, heh heh, or whatever we heathens do!

lol... I'll send some positive vibes your way... actually I myself am a prayin girl, I'm church browsing at the moment because I grew up in rather conservative christian congregations and i'm looking for a new church... I heard that the United Church of Christ is a good one for Christians.... thoughts?
MCC? (The gay baptist-type folks?) Some Episcopaleans, I think. Some Presbys.

What do I know; I'm a heathen.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 12, 2007, 03:34:20 PM
Gross
.
http://www.towleroad.com/2007/01/mitt_romney_def.html (http://www.towleroad.com/2007/01/mitt_romney_def.html)

I am so glad that hes now trashing our state as an outsider rather than trashing my state as its supposed governor.  Life is soooo much better with a dem in the corner office and mass and with dems in control of bouth houses of the federal congress.  Whew.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on January 12, 2007, 11:55:14 PM
I thread for the gays - how did I miss it??? I'll join up belatedly now. Any more time spent in the "What will GW do this week???" thread and my hair will fall out.

Trying worrying about 18 outstanding applications during the night while teaching a room full of 13 year olds.  Had to shave my head at age 24 ;)


At least I lucked out with a hot cranium.


I'd look horrible bald (think Casper...), and you've got me worried-- I got a Teach for America placement and will be teaching high school Spanish next year.  Slightly older kids, but in another language.... at least my apps will be done and I'll just be sitting on a deferral!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 14, 2007, 02:35:29 PM
;)  I taught high school for the past two years, Its a whole different ball game.  You'll love it :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Trekkie Monster on January 14, 2007, 11:59:51 PM
Hey Everyone.  Been lurking on the threads for a long time but have finally decided to become a full fledged member.  I am on here way too much not to contribute. 

Was wondering, is anyone here considering Chicago as their first choice?  I know its been mentioned, but it seems like most of you guys are aiming for Harvard, Stanford, etc.  Mostly, I am wondering if anyone has looked at possible housing options in Hyde Park and Chicago, in general, as of yet.

I am aiming for Northwestern and Chicago myself here.  It seems to me that NW is way more gay friendly than Chicago.  Anyone care to confirm or deny?

Alright, good luck to everyone!

PS. Bridget's Avatar Scares Me. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on January 15, 2007, 04:39:55 PM

PS. Bridget's Avatar Scares Me. 

if a picture of a native Chicagoan scares you, you may want to consider another location for your first choice.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Trekkie Monster on January 15, 2007, 05:27:48 PM
An Illinois boy myself here. No fear of the native Chicagoan.  It just the open mouth devouring that gets to me.   ;D
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on January 16, 2007, 07:19:45 PM
I'm a 1L (summer starter) at michigan now and the 1L rep for Outlaws.  I was a little hesitant about being young and single in the midwest as opposed to DC or New York (the locations of the other schools I seriously considered), but I'm really happy here. Academics are good (and challenging!), I've made wonderful friends, Outlaws has been really fun and supportive, and I feel like I have a good quality of life.  I love living in a house (with awesome roommates! and their dogs!) instead of a tiny apartment, walking to school instead of taking the subway, being able to afford more than one drink when I go out, joining the law school bowling league, having time to teach religious school, etc.

I'd love to talk more about UM with anyone who's interested...feel free to send a message or something (and if you checked the box on your application, you'll also be getting a email/call from Outlaws as soon as we get the list of who's been admitted).

--Stacy
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on January 19, 2007, 01:34:46 PM
Thanks for the post, stacy!  I just started getting the UMLS Outlaws Newsletter and it looks like you have been a real resource for the 1Ls this year.  What part of the country are you originally from?  What were your particular reasons for choosing Michigan?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on January 22, 2007, 01:21:02 PM
Thanks!  I grew up on Long Island, but lived most recently in western Massachusetts.  Michigan was a tough choice for me: I was deciding between here and a school that was closer to home that had more classes in my area of interest.  But I think I made the right choice.  I loved being a summer starter--it's great to have grades already to show potential employers, and my course load is lighter than fall starters'.  People in Michigan are really friendly and I feel respected and taken care of within the law school--certainly as part of the LGBT community, but also just as a student in general.  As I mentioned before, I like the quality of life that comes from living in a small city: Ann Arbor is very walkable and safe and affordable, but a lot of cool speakers and concerts come to town too. 

I was worried at first that the pool of young, single, gay people would be tiny, but there's a huge grad student population here, so there are definitely people to meet.  The grad student body was important to me in another way--I was accepted to do a dual degree program (I didn't even have to take the GREs! and they gave me funding!) and UM is a great place to be a grad student--they're unionized and give high stipends & benefits to TAs. 

let me know if you have other questions, or if you're planning on coming for preview weekend in the spring.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on January 22, 2007, 01:24:59 PM
oh, and one thing I hadn't considered before coming to Michigan, but now really like--Outlaws members are really diverse in terms of ethnicity, class, religion, what we did before law school and what we hope to do after.  we have really good connections with ethnicity-based student groups, the women's law student association, community service groups, etc. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 25, 2007, 01:02:17 PM
Uh....bump.

Hey Stacy,  is Outlaws going to have any sort of presence at the admitted students weekends?

Congrats to those attending and considering Michigan!  I wish that my LSAT score gave me any chance at all.  It didn't but I applied anyway, it seems like a truly amazing place.  I'm retaking in February almost solely because I refuse to give up on Michigan.

I'm feeling a bit inadequate with all of you 'high rollers" but I did want to share some good news.  I received an acceptance package from Indiana University in Bloomington this morning. While it is certainly not Michigan, its an awesome school in a very liberal and lgbt-friendly community.  I determined to go to a law school where I have a chance of at least going on one date over the next 3 years ;). Anyway, I just wanted to post because I'm excited, nothing exceptionally noteworthy to share.

Best of luck to everybody.  I love to see successful LGBT future students and advocates!!

Also, Mike, inquiring minds want to know: where are you on your decision? Have you visited any schools yet?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on January 25, 2007, 02:23:45 PM
Bouzie1982: Good luck on your LSAT retake and the rest of your applications!  And congratulations on IUB--it's a great school and lots of great opportunities.  BTW, are you still looking at Hastings?  I am biased, but the gay scene in SF is fabulous. =)

As for me, I am still pretty undecided.  I am leaning towards Stanford (for personal reasons), but it'll be really hard to turn down Yale.  :-\

I haven't visited any schools yet (other than Stanford), but I'm definitely going to hit up some admit weekends in March/April.  Hope to see some of you during the ASW visits!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on January 25, 2007, 02:26:48 PM
Uh....bump.

Hey Stacy,  is Outlaws going to have any sort of presence at the admitted students weekends?

Congrats to those attending and considering Michigan!  I wish that my LSAT score gave me any chance at all.  It didn't but I applied anyway, it seems like a truly amazing place.  I'm retaking in February almost solely because I refuse to give up on Michigan.

I'm feeling a bit inadequate with all of you 'high rollers" but I did want to share some good news.  I received an acceptance package from Indiana University in Bloomington this morning. While it is certainly not Michigan, its an awesome school in a very liberal and lgbt-friendly community.  I determined to go to a law school where I have a chance of at least going on one date over the next 3 years ;). Anyway, I just wanted to post because I'm excited, nothing exceptionally noteworthy to share.

Best of luck to everybody.  I love to see successful LGBT future students and advocates!!

Also, Mike, inquiring minds want to know: where are you on your decision? Have you visited any schools yet?

That's great news Bouzie! Congrats! Plus I'm sure you'll get at least one date over three years at any law school.

Mike, are you going to Mich's Preview Weekend? If so, which one?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on January 25, 2007, 02:30:05 PM
I agree with contiki07.  I've seen Bouzie's face pic and he's a hottie.  ;)

Contiki07: I actually am not sure about Michigan, but if I do go, it'll probably be to the earlier one.  What about you?  Are you going to Boalt's ASD?  I'll definitely be there for that one.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on January 25, 2007, 08:09:37 PM
I can't tell you how excited I am that some of you are considering michigan!  We just had an outlaws meeting yesterday to talk about preview weekend, and while we're waiting for admissions to release their final schedule before we make our plans, there will definitely be an outlaws table at the organization fair, and we'll be having a dinner and/or a bar night each week.

looking forward to meeting you then!

stacy
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on January 25, 2007, 09:51:59 PM
Gonna be at Mich 1st ASW, Penns on March 23-24, and Berkeley's on April 13th for sure. Still trying to organize the rest of them and my semester workload.


Mike and congrats once again! A Hamilton at Columbia, just one more school and you will have the perfect cycle. You are my hero.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on January 27, 2007, 09:38:36 PM
After getting 3 acceptances in 3 days, Im just now realizing how hard its going to be choosing a school from my acceptances.  I sorta wish I didnt apply to so many goddamned schools.

Does anyone know anything about gay life in Atlanta/at emory??


luv ya.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on January 28, 2007, 12:02:09 AM
I don't know about gay life in Atlanta but my impression of Atlanta and Georgia (I've visited twice) is that it is the stereotypical south. It is a very racially divided city and it simply just scared me, that said I only had two short visits and other people might know it better.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: ego_trip on January 28, 2007, 09:27:06 AM
After getting 3 acceptances in 3 days, Im just now realizing how hard its going to be choosing a school from my acceptances.  I sorta wish I didnt apply to so many goddamned schools.

Does anyone know anything about gay life in Atlanta/at emory??


luv ya.

I don't know from personal experience, but a lot of my friends go up there regularly because there's supposedly a "huge" gay scene. Might just be big for the girls though... I dunno. I know they have big pride events too.  there's a glbt contact person that came with my acceptance. did you get that sheet?  you might want to contact him.

it's one of the main reasons I've been looking at Emory... Atl would be a great place to get internships/summer clerkships just because of all the civil rights organizations that are there.

i agree with contiki that atlanta is the stereotypical south - just with more people who are out.  i don't know if that means people get along better than they normally do in the south or not.  i live in pensacola - aka the gay riviera - and most people aren't friendly here.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: keepinitlegal on February 03, 2007, 11:30:31 AM
You're right, this thread is lonely. Let's spice things up...let's rank the schools in California in terms of cutest gay guys (since this is an obvious priority for me :D). Here's my guess-ranking- I'm guessing since SoCal is more image conscious, they probably score a lot higher, but then again not as high as Stanford (ever been there? Everyone is gorgeous!) Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong- this is perhaps the most important ranking for many of us, obviously (heheh.)

1 Stanford
2 USC
3 UCLA
4 Loyola
5 Santa Clara
6 Boalt
7 U San Diego
8 USF
9 UC Davis
10 Hastings
11 McGeorge

LAST PLACE: Pepperdine
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 03, 2007, 11:33:54 AM
I wanna know about the guy pool when comparing NYU, Boalt, Penn, Mich and UVa. I know NYU and Boalt will be the top two but which is #1?  ::)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: keepinitlegal on February 04, 2007, 02:21:03 PM
I wanna know about the guy pool when comparing NYU, Boalt, Penn, Mich and UVa. I know NYU and Boalt will be the top two but which is #1?  ::)

Dude, UVA has gotta be #1- Southern Guys are HOTT!!! Although to be fair, most of the guys at UVA probably won't be gay. However, when you do find a gay guy there, he'll probably be a knock-out, and even though they might be few and far between, it still might be worth it, if only because he's still a southern guy.

Other than that...maybe Michigan or Boalt would be #1? The crop in the midwest resembles that of the south (but has the same problems). Don't know much about NYU, but some of the guys are Boalt...wow, they're hot.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 04, 2007, 02:57:00 PM
I wanna know about the guy pool when comparing NYU, Boalt, Penn, Mich and UVa. I know NYU and Boalt will be the top two but which is #1?  ::)

Dude, UVA has gotta be #1- Southern Guys are HOTT!!! Although to be fair, most of the guys at UVA probably won't be gay. However, when you do find a gay guy there, he'll probably be a knock-out, and even though they might be few and far between, it still might be worth it, if only because he's still a southern guy.

Other than that...maybe Michigan or Boalt would be #1? The crop in the midwest resembles that of the south (but has the same problems). Don't know much about NYU, but some of the guys are Boalt...wow, they're hot.

hahaha cool I have a friend who's a freshman at UVA and he says there are tons of gay undegrads (I don't know about law school). Is it wrong for me to think that southern accents are hot?

Wow I've taken this thread down a slippery slope. Sowwy.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 05, 2007, 06:25:41 PM
I just read about the Michigan court of appeals' ruling which basically said that state schools can't offer same sex benefits anymore because voters passed "marriage protection" amendment in 2004. WTF!?!? Michigan, you may have just lost a sure thing in me going there... Aside from the fact that I may one day have a partner who would now not be eligible for partner benefits/married student housing, I am really concerned that any openly LGBT faculty there may leave, and that any prospective new LGBT faculty with partners may decide against going to Michigan because of the whole benefits issue, based on practicality and on principle.

This is bull and ruined my day :(

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1585539,00.html

I read about the decision a few days but it was a somewhat expected outcome.  :-\
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 06, 2007, 01:24:58 AM
Seems kinda malicious.  Who are these losers?  and why do they get to decide this?


Um. "These losers" would be the Michigan Court of Appeals. "They" get to decide this because, you know, there's this whole judicial branch that has courts that adjudicate cases. It's wild.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on February 06, 2007, 01:59:25 AM
Seems kinda malicious.  Who are these losers?  and why do they get to decide this?

Um. "These losers" would be the Michigan Court of Appeals. "They" get to decide this because, you know, there's this whole judicial branch that has courts that adjudicate cases. It's wild.

Ersatz, I've generally liked you since you popped out of the woodwork, but I can't say this sarcasm about something important to us as LGBT students is particularly welcome in this thread.

I interpreted the question more as "Who are the idiot voters who would add such a vague and divisive provision to their state's constitution?" than as anything about the court of appeals.  And if it is about the court, I assume CW meant, "How did these jerks end up on the court?" more than "I don't understand the basics of our system of laws."

In any case, I imagine this decision gets reversed eventually.  Among other things, I see a Romer problem because it interprets the constitutional provision such that its "sheer breadth is so discontinuous with the reasons offered for it that the amendment seems inexplicable by anything but animus toward the class that it affects; it lacks a rational relationship to legitimate state interests."  I wouldn't be eager to bring it before our current SCOTUS, but I still count to five from the Romer majority, assuming Kennedy isn't too spooked by the mention of the word "marriage."
 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 06, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
Seems kinda malicious.  Who are these losers?  and why do they get to decide this?

Um. "These losers" would be the Michigan Court of Appeals. "They" get to decide this because, you know, there's this whole judicial branch that has courts that adjudicate cases. It's wild.

Ersatz, I've generally liked you since you popped out of the woodwork, but I can't say this sarcasm about something important to us as LGBT students is particularly welcome in this thread.

I interpreted the question more as "Who are the idiot voters who would add such a vague and divisive provision to their state's constitution?" than as anything about the court of appeals.  And if it is about the court, I assume CW meant, "How did these jerks end up on the court?" more than "I don't understand the basics of our system of laws."

In any case, I imagine this decision gets reversed eventually.  Among other things, I see a Romer problem because it interprets the constitutional provision such that its "sheer breadth is so discontinuous with the reasons offered for it that the amendment seems inexplicable by anything but animus toward the class that it affects; it lacks a rational relationship to legitimate state interests."  I wouldn't be eager to bring it before our current SCOTUS, but I still count to five from the Romer majority, assuming Kennedy isn't too spooked by the mention of the word "marriage."
 

I'm a big fan of precision in language, so it irks me when I see a post that is sufficiently poorly-phrased as to create ambiguity in meaning. Thus the sarcasm.

Even accepting "these losers" to mean the Michigan voters, the post is still kind of objectionable. It's unfortunate that the majority of Michigan voters decided that a blanket prohibition against gay marriage, unions, etc. is a good idea. However, it is certainly not up to the judiciary (and particularly not up to the three-member panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals) to contravene the dictates of the voting public. This is a political issue that must be resolved through the political process and not in court.

Yes, the decision will likely be reversed eventually (although I do think that it's going to take some time). The Supreme Court is not going to touch a gay marriage for some time after Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 - I just can't see the Court going to bat on this issue.

(By the way, here is the link to the full opinion if anyone's interested: http://aclumich.org/pdf/marriageamendmentopinion.pdf (http://aclumich.org/pdf/marriageamendmentopinion.pdf).)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 06, 2007, 11:43:23 AM
Damn, I was hoping for a more spirited response.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 06, 2007, 11:56:32 AM
uhmmm can we PLEASE not take this thread down this road.  Nobody wants to be watching his or her language or worrying about tone on the LGBT thread.  There are plenty of other threads for trolling.


Thankssssssssssssssssssss
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 06, 2007, 12:23:04 PM
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I'm a big fan of precision in language, so it irks me when I see a post that is sufficiently poorly-phrased as to create ambiguity in meaning.

Are you serious? This is a discussion board. A discussion board where there are threads called "Dumping your girlfriend" and "What are you wearing right now?"

I can't speak for anyone else, but when I post about a court decision like this in a thread called "LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 cycle," my first thought is "Why the f don't people want me to be happy? What is wrong with them?" and not "how can i express my thoughts about this news in the most linguistically precise way?"

Huh? No one is demanding Swiss-clock-like precision in your writing. All I said was that the post was poorly phrased to the point where its meaning was unclear. I don't care if you are or anyone else are not perfectly precise, since I have better things to do than demand linguistic excellence from random posters on a discussion board. However, when I am trying to follow a thread and come upon a post that doesn't make sense, that's kind of annoying.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 06, 2007, 12:23:58 PM
uhmmm can we PLEASE not take this thread down this road.  Nobody wants to be watching his or her language or worrying about tone on the LGBT thread.  There are plenty of other threads for trolling.


Thankssssssssssssssssssss

Look up trolling. That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 06, 2007, 02:37:22 PM
Ahem, anyway, moving right along...

OK, the guys had their turn, now it's ours: What schools are the hot ladies at???

Discuss!

We never finished!  :'(

Ladies? I'd say NYC for the ladies.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on February 06, 2007, 04:19:32 PM
Hi all,

I saw Sarah’s post and mentioned it to the UM Outlaws executive board...we teamed up to put together this response for all prospective students thinking of coming to law school in Michigan:

We’re all disappointed by this ruling, and we’re working hard to understand the implications of it and what steps we can take to help stay or overturn it—coming to Michigan has ended up providing a really good opportunity for our members to do LGBT advocacy work.  On 2/15, Outlaws is planning a panel of professors, the law school dean, and staff from the university’s general counsel and human resources offices. They’re all taking this ruling extremely seriously and working to find a solution that preserves benefits.  We’ll try to get the discussion recorded and posted online.

In terms of the specific concerns that Sarah mentioned:
* Housing: The only university-run apartments allow any two people (married, domestic partner, friends, whatever) to live there, and the Lawyer’s Club is only for law students, so university housing policy shouldn’t change. 
* Health care: Even before this ruling, few students could have gotten benefits for their partners—students whose domestic partner takes a full time job at the university might have been able to share in employee benefits, but this is rare among current students.  Student benefits generally weren’t extended to partners or spouses (this is all complicated—it’s probably best to contact the benefits office with specific questions). 
* Faculty: Outlaws hasn’t heard of any professors who are even thinking about leaving.  It might be an obstacle for us to overcome in recruiting, but that’s such a personal process (the faculty is small, the number of professors recruited each year is even smaller, and so the number of prospective LGBT faculty is tiny) that I think if this decision is upheld in the state supreme court—a big if—there are ways for the law school to offer LGBT faculty enough positives to outweigh the loss of benefits. 

Obviously, if your family might get benefits at one law school and not at UM, that’s something to consider when deciding where to attend.  But in general, UM is a great place for anyone to be a law student, and a great place to be LGBT.  This month alone, the law school is flying six of us out to LA this weekend for the National Sexual Orientation Moot Court competition, and is helping us sponsor a week of Freedom to Marry activities.  The school offers a fellowship for summer work for LGBT organizations, funds our trip to the Lavender Law convention each year, and is extremely responsive to our needs.  Outlaws members are really friendly, and we organize everything from brunches to resume reviews to parties to Lword-watching nights.  So we hope that this decision, which may well be stayed or overturned before current applicants get to law school, won’t dissuade people from coming to Michigan. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 07, 2007, 09:42:20 AM
Outlaws is not unique to Michigan, is it? I always thought that it was a national organization with chapters in different law schools.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on February 08, 2007, 10:22:04 AM
Even accepting "these losers" to mean the Michigan voters, the post is still kind of objectionable. It's unfortunate that the majority of Michigan voters decided that a blanket prohibition against gay marriage, unions, etc. is a good idea. However, it is certainly not up to the judiciary (and particularly not up to the three-member panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals) to contravene the dictates of the voting public. This is a political issue that must be resolved through the political process and not in court.


Not to backtrack or "go down that road" as Bouzie would say, but I really, Really, REALLY take issue with this kind of statement.  And by "take issue with" I mean it annoys the crap out of me, infuriates me, feels like nails on a chalkboard to me.  This is NOT something the public should be voting on, any more than interracial or inter-religion marriage should be something the public (meaning the masses who see themselves as either largely unaffected or religiously  threatened by it) votes on.  Since when is the majority trusted with the responsibility of protecting the rights of the minority?  [/rant]
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: rugercaptain on February 08, 2007, 10:35:06 AM
OK, the guys had their turn, now it's ours: What schools are the hot ladies at???
Discuss!

I'd like to know this, but I don't think my g/f wants me to know.   ;)

rugercaptain
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: rugercaptain on February 08, 2007, 10:44:44 AM
Hahaha

Honestly I really hope not everyone is already all "married" and stuff wherever I end up

I guess I qualify as "married."  Fourteen years on 2/27.  I think g/f is worried that I may quit my job and move away if I get accepted with $$ to attend LS full-time...

Heck, I'm too old now to chase young women at LS.   ;D   'Sides that, I can't tell the butches from the femmes anymore, and just what is a "lipstick lesbian" anyway?   ???

rugercaptain
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 08, 2007, 12:11:18 PM
Even accepting "these losers" to mean the Michigan voters, the post is still kind of objectionable. It's unfortunate that the majority of Michigan voters decided that a blanket prohibition against gay marriage, unions, etc. is a good idea. However, it is certainly not up to the judiciary (and particularly not up to the three-member panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals) to contravene the dictates of the voting public. This is a political issue that must be resolved through the political process and not in court.


Not to backtrack or "go down that road" as Bouzie would say, but I really, Really, REALLY take issue with this kind of statement.  And by "take issue with" I mean it annoys the crap out of me, infuriates me, feels like nails on a chalkboard to me.  This is NOT something the public should be voting on, any more than interracial or inter-religion marriage should be something the public (meaning the masses who see themselves as either largely unaffected or religiously  threatened by it) votes on.  Since when is the majority trusted with the responsibility of protecting the rights of the minority?  [/rant]

I understand what you are saying but that is one of the drawbacks of a democracy. What we must do is convince the public which in the end ends up being more beneficial.

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I'd like to know this, but I don't think my g/f wants me to know.   

Hahaha

Honestly I really hope not everyone is already all "married" and stuff wherever I end up


I concur.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 08, 2007, 12:47:04 PM
Even accepting "these losers" to mean the Michigan voters, the post is still kind of objectionable. It's unfortunate that the majority of Michigan voters decided that a blanket prohibition against gay marriage, unions, etc. is a good idea. However, it is certainly not up to the judiciary (and particularly not up to the three-member panel of the Michigan Court of Appeals) to contravene the dictates of the voting public. This is a political issue that must be resolved through the political process and not in court.


Not to backtrack or "go down that road" as Bouzie would say, but I really, Really, REALLY take issue with this kind of statement.  And by "take issue with" I mean it annoys the crap out of me, infuriates me, feels like nails on a chalkboard to me.  This is NOT something the public should be voting on, any more than interracial or inter-religion marriage should be something the public (meaning the masses who see themselves as either largely unaffected or religiously  threatened by it) votes on.  Since when is the majority trusted with the responsibility of protecting the rights of the minority?  [/rant]


Okay. Are you proposing that when it comes to special / minority interests, the voting should be limited to those that can demonstrate that they are profoundly affected by the outcome? Frankly, that's ridiculous. Universal suffrage is the cornerstone of democracy, and arguing in favor of abolishing that just because you happen to disagree with a particular specific outcome is extraordinarily short-sighted. Even leaving aside the implications of moving away from universal suffrage to limited suffrage, your argument doesn't hold. The voting public at large is in fact affected by issues like these, whether or not they feel passionately about them. Extending the rights and privileges associated with marriage to gay couples in a particular state, for example, will impact the rest of the residents of the state because of new administrative considerations, tax liabilities, employer responsibilities, etc. I make absolutely no value judgment as to whether this is good policy or bad - I am merely pointing out that it's ludicrous to say that the "masses" are unaffected by this issue.

Finally, in regard to your question about the majority being entrusted with the responsibility of protecting the rights of the minority - I don't think the instant case has anything to do with that. First of all, when the public voted on gay marriage and civil unions, the issue was not about "protecting the rights of the minority." Rather, it was an issue of whether or not to extend new rights to that minority. Secondly, the three-judge panel that reviewed the case (three judges being a minority, as I am sure you will agree), produced the same result. In other words, the alleged tyranny of the majority was reviewed and sanctioned by the appropriate judicial minority. The next step is to appeal the decision so that another panel that is entrusted with, among other things, safeguarding civil rights of all individuals, can review this case further.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on February 08, 2007, 02:17:54 PM
As I see it the problem here is a difference in definition, Ersatz.  For me, marriage should be a right of all citizens and should be protected as such.  To call it a "new right" (or special right, as it is frequently called), elides the fact that it is a right currently being denied that should be protected.  As an example of this, had the issue of separate but equal been completely decided by the ballot, you can bet educational inequity would be an even larger problem today than it already is.  Edcuational opportunity is something that clearly was denied in the past unjustly, but was legally granted protection in the interests of equality.

Also, I apparently wasn't precise enough for you, though I did say the masses who see themselves, not "the masses who are."  I will be the first to admit (well, second to you) that gay marriage would have a profound impact on society.  What I am referencing here is that most people don't see it that way.  I think if we could show people how their lives are affected by homophobia, limitations placed on others, and systems of power and oppression, this wouldn't be an issue right now because people would have been personally motivated to action long ago.  Wedding planners alone could make millions.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 08, 2007, 02:32:28 PM
I can not beleive that we are arguing about this here.  I'd rather talk about the hot girls.  Believe me, as a practicing (well, sort of) gay man, hot chicks are pretty far down the list of things I'd like to talk about.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on February 08, 2007, 02:36:04 PM
sorry Bouzie.  there are some battles I have to choose.

but, um, hot girls.  I think I'll concur with the NYC suggestions someone else made.  If L Word is any indication, the west coasters are way too plastic.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on February 08, 2007, 03:20:33 PM
Whatever! L word girls are HOT!!

I will give you Carmen (barely) and Helena.  and maybe Alice, because she finally called Jenny out for being obnoxious and I'm happy to see anyone do that, especially since jenny was insulting her hat and I have one like that.  but come on... all that make up?  gross.  and Shane?  allow me to introduce you to food.  it's delicious. and life-sustaining
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on February 08, 2007, 03:38:40 PM
Lets talk about hot guys.

I figured out today that I have a type!


do describe, please.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 08, 2007, 03:48:14 PM
As I see it the problem here is a difference in definition, Ersatz.  For me, marriage should be a right of all citizens and should be protected as such.  To call it a "new right" (or special right, as it is frequently called), elides the fact that it is a right currently being denied that should be protected.  As an example of this, had the issue of separate but equal been completely decided by the ballot, you can bet educational inequity would be an even larger problem today than it already is.  Edcuational opportunity is something that clearly was denied in the past unjustly, but was legally granted protection in the interests of equality.

Also, I apparently wasn't precise enough for you, though I did say the masses who see themselves, not "the masses who are."  I will be the first to admit (well, second to you) that gay marriage would have a profound impact on society.  What I am referencing here is that most people don't see it that way.  I think if we could show people how their lives are affected by homophobia, limitations placed on others, and systems of power and oppression, this wouldn't be an issue right now because people would have been personally motivated to action long ago.  Wedding planners alone could make millions.

It is absolutely a new right. You are right in saying that marriage should be a right of all citizens and should be protected as such. That is in fact the current state of affairs. Heterosexual marriage is currently a right that is available to everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, and remains a protected right. However, there is no similar right to homosexual marriage - that is why I am saying that if gay marriage comes into existence, it will be a new right, and not an extension of an existing right.

The analogy between this and "separate but equal" is questionable. At the very least, the argument that Brown v. Board did miracles for addressing the problem of racial inequality in public education is not a very strong one; if you look at, for example, "The Hollow Hope" by Gerald Rosenberg, you can easily see that available statistics concerning racial integration in public schools in the South make it readily apparent that the Supreme Court's ruling was largely ineffective. In the decade following the Brown decision, the percentage of racially integrated schools increased by something like 1%. It really wasn't until the legislative and executive branch threw their weight behind integration after 1964 and the Civil Rights Act that real change started to happen. And, needless to say, the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act were, in a manner of speaking, "decided by the ballot," since these laws came into existence by virtue of elected representatives voting them in and the executive branch signing them into law. So making a blanket statement that had this issue been decided by ballot, education inequity would have been worse today than it is otherwise, is not very accurate.

I do think that a majority of people believes that gay marriage would have a profound impact on society. There is a reason why it was such a hot-button topic in the last few years, and why it was even seriously debated as an ultimately ill-fated constitutional amendment. The trouble is not that there are not enough people who don't think that gay marriage would have such an impact; the trouble is really that too many people think that there will be an impact and that it will be a negative one.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 08, 2007, 03:49:30 PM
I can not beleive that we are arguing about this here.

Bouzie, what's your problem with me posting in this thread?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on February 08, 2007, 04:07:50 PM
It is absolutely a new right. You are right in saying that marriage should be a right of all citizens and should be protected as such. That is in fact the current state of affairs. Heterosexual marriage is currently a right that is available to everyone, regardless of their sexual orientation, and remains a protected right. However, there is no similar right to homosexual marriage - that is why I am saying that if gay marriage comes into existence, it will be a new right, and not an extension of an existing right.

This is a somewhat disingenuous claim if you believe that marriage is about the right to marry someone with whom you want to make a household and not the right to marry someone of the opposite sex per se.  When full federal voting rights were extended to black men (1870), to women (1920), to DC residents (1961), and to 18-year-olds (1971), this wasn't the creation of new rights "black and white male voting," "male and female voting," "DC voting," and "youth voting," it was the extension of the right to vote to these populations. 

I can not beleive that we are arguing about this here.

Bouzie, what's your problem with me posting in this thread?

I can't speak for Bouzie, but, as I understand it, this thread is about LGBT student issues.  There are threads on the OTB about gay marriage in general.  I think your posts would be more welcome there. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 08, 2007, 04:18:17 PM
Lets talk about hot guys.

I figured out today that I have a type!

I agree. This thread should be all about hot guys.  ;D
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 08, 2007, 04:22:26 PM
This is a somewhat disingenuous claim if you believe that marriage is about the right to marry someone with whom you want to make a household and not the right to marry someone of the opposite sex per se.  When full federal voting rights were extended to black men (1870), to women (1920), to DC residents (1961), and to 18-year-olds (1971), this wasn't the creation of new rights "black and white male voting," "male and female voting," "DC voting," and "youth voting," it was the extension of the right to vote to these populations. 

I understand what you are saying, but I still disagree. When black men, women, DC residents, etc. received full voting rights, this grant per se created new rights for them because it gave them rights that they previously did not have. I don't know if it matters that some other groups (e.g., white land-owning males) had the right to vote prior to that, because those groups' ability to vote was separate and distinct (at the time) from the ability or inability of women, blacks, etc. to vote.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on February 08, 2007, 04:56:25 PM
This is a somewhat disingenuous claim if you believe that marriage is about the right to marry someone with whom you want to make a household and not the right to marry someone of the opposite sex per se.  When full federal voting rights were extended to black men (1870), to women (1920), to DC residents (1961), and to 18-year-olds (1971), this wasn't the creation of new rights "black and white male voting," "male and female voting," "DC voting," and "youth voting," it was the extension of the right to vote to these populations. 

I understand what you are saying, but I still disagree. When black men, women, DC residents, etc. received full voting rights, this grant per se created new rights for them because it gave them rights that they previously did not have. I don't know if it matters that some other groups (e.g., white land-owning males) had the right to vote prior to that, because those groups' ability to vote was separate and distinct (at the time) from the ability or inability of women, blacks, etc. to vote.

This seems to be the opposite of what you said above -- at least in terms of the separation-of-powers issues.  If you really believe that the extension of voting rights to these populations was the creation of "new rights," would you have had a problem with putting the voting rights of these populations up for a popular vote in Michigan?

In any case, the better analog is clearly interracial marriage.  In states that prohibited interracial marriage, everyone had the right to marry within their own race, but not to marry members of certain other races.  Do you think this should have been subject to popular vote?  When the Supreme Court struck down miscegenation laws in 1967, was it creating a "new right" of interracial marriage where previously a universal right of intraracial marriage existed? 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 08, 2007, 05:26:32 PM

Ersatz,

I don't have a problem with anyone posting in this thread.  I'm annoyed that the gay marriage debate has now made its way into a thread usually dedicated to law school stuff and where to find attractive men and women.  We all deal with sociopolicial crap enough on a daily basis, well at least I do as a Massachusetts resident and advisor to a high school GSA.  I Just don't come here for stressful talk.  But these forums were made for more than just me.  So enjoy the debates.  I'll come back later when we're back to posting about things that don't stress me the @#!* out.

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on February 08, 2007, 05:31:23 PM
This is a somewhat disingenuous claim if you believe that marriage is about the right to marry someone with whom you want to make a household and not the right to marry someone of the opposite sex per se.  When full federal voting rights were extended to black men (1870), to women (1920), to DC residents (1961), and to 18-year-olds (1971), this wasn't the creation of new rights "black and white male voting," "male and female voting," "DC voting," and "youth voting," it was the extension of the right to vote to these populations. 

I understand what you are saying, but I still disagree. When black men, women, DC residents, etc. received full voting rights, this grant per se created new rights for them because it gave them rights that they previously did not have. I don't know if it matters that some other groups (e.g., white land-owning males) had the right to vote prior to that, because those groups' ability to vote was separate and distinct (at the time) from the ability or inability of women, blacks, etc. to vote.

This seems to be the opposite of what you said above -- at least in terms of the separation-of-powers issues.  If you really believe that the extension of voting rights to these populations was the creation of "new rights," would you have had a problem with putting the voting rights of these populations up for a popular vote in Michigan?

In any case, the better analog is clearly interracial marriage.  In states that prohibited interracial marriage, everyone had the right to marry within their own race, but not to marry members of certain other races.  Do you think this should have been subject to popular vote?  When the Supreme Court struck down miscegenation laws in 1967, was it creating a "new right" of interracial marriage where previously a universal right of intraracial marriage existed? 

I don't think this is opposite at all. I don't know how to respond about your question of whether I would have had a problem with putting the voting rights up for a popular vote. It's extremely unfortunate that we as a country did not embrace universal suffrage at the outset, but that was the reality of it. I am not opposed to the judicial branch reviewing these cases and making decisions on them. I am, however, opposed to the judiciary engaging in essentially law-making that is unsupported by statutory texts and legal precedent. In other words, I am not intrinsically opposed to a state Supreme Court accepting a case that challenges a prohibition against gay marriage, reviewing it, and issuing a legally sound, well-reasoned decision that overturns that prohibition on legitimate grounds without exceeding their authority as a judicial body. This also addresses your question about interracial marriage - I don't think that the Supreme Court was engaged in policy-making in 1967 when it struck down anti-miscegenation laws, finding them in violation of the Fourteenth Amendment, which is why I don't find anything objectionable to it. I do maintain that this ruling in effect created a new right of interracial marriage for those who previously did not have it, but I am certainly not opposed to the reasoning behind the ruling.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on February 10, 2007, 03:58:29 PM
Hot Girls: I confess it's cliche but Ellen Degeneres has made my knees weak since high school. My oh my. And what do we think about the gals in DC? Yay or nay?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 12, 2007, 06:11:46 PM
Out of curiousity, why so little talk about Penn in this thread? 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 12, 2007, 06:45:56 PM
Out of curiousity, why so little talk about Penn in this thread? 

I concur. Did you send in your app, bouzie?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 12, 2007, 07:25:25 PM
Thanks for asking.  Penn seems great with the gays.  Im completing my app now after a lot of hesitation about getting my hopes up and spending MORE money and time on law school stuff. All of my hope lies with my February LSAT.  I think I kicked its ass, but I thought that about my december test as well...


So I'm hoping that in about three weeks I can be chatting with you guys about the Penn and Michigan crowd...

Please keep yours fingers crossed for me, Id be a great classmate!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 12, 2007, 07:35:58 PM
Yea when is Towelie to evaluate the guys at Penn when we need him to? tsk tsk

GL Bouzie.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 12, 2007, 08:11:25 PM
I was going to apply to Penn just because it's the only place where I can actually check a gay box, but I'd never get in, it's expensive, and I don't really want to go to Penn anyway. 


Im not crazy about being Philly, and I dont think Id fit in too well at an Ivy, but Penn is prety damned impressive so I fgured that I'd give it a shot. 

.....I think Cornell has a box as well.   Not sure of any others

What schools are you considering saxby?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bill612mass on February 13, 2007, 10:33:52 AM
Hi All -

Thoughts on gay life at Suffolk and UCONN?

Currently live in Boston, so I know the bar scene here, just curious if there are any students/applicants who know about the atmosphere at either school.

Thanks!

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on February 13, 2007, 10:36:51 AM
Good luck, Bouzie!  I have two gay friends at Wharton, and they love the scene at Penn and in Philly.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 13, 2007, 11:54:47 AM
I applied to Penn but I don't think I would want to live in Philadelphia...

Plus Michigan is doing a pretty good job of wooing me, whereas I haven't heard from Penn since I applied.

You know what's really weird. The school that has spent the most time wooing me lately has been NYU by far they've 3 current students and 1 alum contact me. Mich, Penn and Duke have done it too but not to the same extent.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 13, 2007, 11:56:12 AM
Thanks Mike!

I'm totally jealous of everyone on this thread; damned high achievers...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Towelie on February 13, 2007, 01:39:18 PM
Uh....Ok....So what's the deal with Penn and gays?  (Towlie)

Let me put everything in context, and then I will give a detailed explanation of my experiences so far. In high school, obviously I was not very well accepted as a gay (anything that goes against social norms at that age seems to get you in trouble) and so in college I decided not to tell my friends I was gay until my senior year of college. It sucked a bit, but my undergrad was not that accepting of homosexuals and so I decided it wasn't that big of a deal. That said, after coming out it was such a relief that I decided I would be out entirely in law school, no matter where I went.

My experience being gay at Penn has been nothing short of amazing. First off, I JUST go back from spending my weekend in LA competing at the National Sexual Orientation Moot Court Competition. The school paid for my flight and hotel, as well as for 5 other Penn students. Two former deans of admissions here were gay, the Dean of Student Affairs is gay (and having all us gays over for a Chili party in 2 weeks), and the administration is just incredibly supportive of gays (we recieved an email from Dean Fitts about the military recruiting on campus for Spring OCI with him expressing his apologizes).

As far as the student body goes, they are incredibly accepting of gay students. As I said, I did not come out in college until I was a senior and am used to hanging out with straight guys and gals more so than gays and I can't say I've met a single person here, no matter how religious or politically conservative they are, that I felt did not want to be friends with me because of my sexuality. There are probably some, but none that I encountered. Also, the fellow gay students here rock and we all, for the most part, get along great. Philly has a decent gay scene with lots of fun clubs and if you come here I am sure you will have a blast in that regard, if you want.

Also, Penn has a very strong gay graduate student body that holds meetings and events all the time. I've been to a Penn Law/Wharton/Med School/Vet School mixer which was awesome. So many hot guys. Wow.

Hope that helped!

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on February 18, 2007, 08:24:40 AM
Just wanted to invite anyone who might be in the Boston area during March 2-3 to come to HLS Lambda's second annual GALLA Conference, this year focusing on Don't Ask, Don't Tell.  All the details and a (free) registration form can be found at http://www.hlslambda.com/galla/.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 18, 2007, 08:31:03 PM
Uh....Ok....So what's the deal with Penn and gays?  (Towlie)

Let me put everything in context, and then I will give a detailed explanation of my experiences so far. In high school, obviously I was not very well accepted as a gay (anything that goes against social norms at that age seems to get you in trouble) and so in college I decided not to tell my friends I was gay until my senior year of college. It sucked a bit, but my undergrad was not that accepting of homosexuals and so I decided it wasn't that big of a deal. That said, after coming out it was such a relief that I decided I would be out entirely in law school, no matter where I went.

My experience being gay at Penn has been nothing short of amazing. First off, I JUST go back from spending my weekend in LA competing at the National Sexual Orientation Moot Court Competition. The school paid for my flight and hotel, as well as for 5 other Penn students. Two former deans of admissions here were gay, the Dean of Student Affairs is gay (and having all us gays over for a Chili party in 2 weeks), and the administration is just incredibly supportive of gays (we recieved an email from Dean Fitts about the military recruiting on campus for Spring OCI with him expressing his apologizes).

As far as the student body goes, they are incredibly accepting of gay students. As I said, I did not come out in college until I was a senior and am used to hanging out with straight guys and gals more so than gays and I can't say I've met a single person here, no matter how religious or politically conservative they are, that I felt did not want to be friends with me because of my sexuality. There are probably some, but none that I encountered. Also, the fellow gay students here rock and we all, for the most part, get along great. Philly has a decent gay scene with lots of fun clubs and if you come here I am sure you will have a blast in that regard, if you want.

Also, Penn has a very strong gay graduate student body that holds meetings and events all the time. I've been to a Penn Law/Wharton/Med School/Vet School mixer which was awesome. So many hot guys. Wow.

Hope that helped!



towelie.  thanks! you're awesome
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on February 18, 2007, 08:43:24 PM
I concur.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 18, 2007, 08:47:45 PM
I was at Michigan earlier today...damn I love that place.   Im in chicago now for my NW interview in the morning.  Let me tell you it is COooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooold.  Also, for some reason, I was expecting more from boystown, something like "the village" in montreal.  Not that Im compaining, its still a really cool town.


Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Towelie on February 19, 2007, 05:44:15 AM
I was at Michigan earlier today...damn I love that place.   Im in chicago now for my NW interview in the morning.  Let me tell you it is COooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooold.  Also, for some reason, I was expecting more from boystown, something like "the village" in montreal.  Not that Im compaining, its still a really cool town.




I did my undergradt at UA, Bouzie, so if you have any questions about Tucson in general (housing, quality of life), or my impressions while there, feel free to PM me. The weather was amazing and I am often found complaining that I miss it  :D
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on February 22, 2007, 06:27:33 PM
Just a little off-topic, can we talk about gay books for a second? I've been taking advantage of this time before law school to fill up on fun reading, and I just found out about and bought Dan Savage's The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Get Pregnant. Which I'm enjoying. But. It was published in 1999! Where the hell have I been?! What other great queer books have I missed out on?! Please list gay/trans/queer books that you've read and enjoyed so we can all catch up on our gay reading!

I'll start. In addition to the Dan Savage book, I recommend:

As Nature Made Him: The Boy Who Was Raised As a Girl (John Colapinto)
The Last Time I Wore a Dress: A Memoir (Daphne Scholinski)
Stone Butch Blues (Leslie Feinberg)
Gender Outlaw (Kate Bornstein)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bwilliamsdc on February 22, 2007, 08:57:29 PM
I just had to read "Funny Boy" for a class before I graduated - gay themed and I liked it.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 22, 2007, 09:07:25 PM
I was at Michigan earlier today...damn I love that place.   Im in chicago now for my NW interview in the morning.  Let me tell you it is COooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooold.  Also, for some reason, I was expecting more from boystown, something like "the village" in montreal.  Not that Im compaining, its still a really cool town.




I did my undergradt at UA, Bouzie, so if you have any questions about Tucson in general (housing, quality of life), or my impressions while there, feel free to PM me. The weather was amazing and I am often found complaining that I miss it  :D



Thanks Towelie!!!!

I just withdrew yesterday, I can imagine being that far from home and not being in california ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on February 23, 2007, 04:01:13 AM
I just had to read "Funny Boy" for a class before I graduated - gay themed and I liked it.

I love that book, and his (Shyam Selvadurai's) other books are great, too.  The latest one is a gay-themed YA novel.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bwilliamsdc on February 23, 2007, 10:25:08 AM
PS, the girls making out on the left side of this page in the banner ad are making me uncomfortable, lol... especially when trying to type a long post.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Yuki on February 24, 2007, 04:31:33 AM
hi! i am kinda new here. i am an international applicant for law schools starting from fall 2007. i am an asian/ pacific islander. since all of you look so nice, i decided to post here to say hi. i have spent one semester in the UK and one in the US before. Other than those, i never spent abroad.

i was very late applying (mid-Jan to last week) and took Feb LSAT, so haven't heard from any school yet.

do any of you know an international AND gay law school student? i was pretty out in all applications, because i chose only very liberal schools in big cities. but, i feel a little nervous as well. if you have any suggestions, i would appreciate it, too.

bye for now and please keep in touch!!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 25, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Yuki,

Being out in your applications should be fine; I haven't experienced any negatives related to being out in the application nor have I heard any horror stories-- if anyone has them please let us know!

Best of luck to you!!

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 25, 2007, 03:33:16 PM
I feel like I post way too much to this thread; oh well, I'll continue to be the gay loser ;)

Last week I went on a whirlwind tour of law schools and checked out michigan, nw, IU-B, Wustl, Vandy, and Emory.  I'm in at Emory and IU-B already.

I'm freaked out as Hell that we have to decided where we will be attending in just a LITTE MORE THAN A MONTH.  So I'm starting to think about schools and cities at which I could be happy academically and socially and that has solid career prospects upon graduation.  I'd also like to avoid taking out 150K in loans for anything outside of the T-14.  So as I'm considering schools I'm trying to give some thought to the gay communities at the schools and in their respective cities.  I don't necessarily want to be clubbing every weekend nor do I really need the 'support' aspect of GSAs etc., I do however place value on having a social outlet and a date every now and then.   I figured others might be pondering similar stuff so I decided to post my thoughts on the schools that I visited.  If anyone has any more info on any of these schools or cities it would be exceptionally cool of you to post that info.

University of Michigan-  I felt like I could fit in well on campus here.  I visited on  a saturday morning and saw a couple of gay coules walking hand in hand in ann arbor.  There was also a poster for an engagement party for one of the members of outlaws.  Saying I was impressed with U of M is an understatement

Northwestern- Its in Chicago; lots of gays and lots of CUTE gays ;)  I don't know anything about their LGBT group on campus though; anybody?

IU-Bloomington- Bloomington is a pretty gay and very liberal city.  I don't think I'll be attending IU-B but gay life on campus seemed pretty cool.

Washington U in StL.-  If anyone has any info on gay life at WUSTL or in St. Louis I would REALLY LOVE to hear it.  I was extremely impressed with the law school and with st. louis but I forgot to ask about the LGBT situation.  The outlaws page on wash u's website is years out of date...

Vanderbilt- Nashville didn't seem like it had much of a gay community.  I went to the "gay neighborhood" - 1 bar and 1 club in a pretty sketch area.  I got hit on by a creeeeeeeepy man about 1/2 hour into being there so I left ;).  If anyone has more info about Nashville or gay life at Vandy I'd love to hear it.

Emory- Atlanta has a huge lgbt community.  I emailed with someone from the lgbt campus group and he seemed pretty happy with atlanta and emory.


C'mon guys and girls lets get some more info on here; decision day is coming soon!!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on February 25, 2007, 04:22:46 PM
Haven't posted on here before (not sure if being bisexual counts since there seem to be varying opinions on it), but I thought I'd add my .02

I'm from the Twin Cities and can happily say that they (Minneapolis, in particular) are incredibly GLBT-friendly.  Uptown in Minneapolis is a veritable paradise for that crowd.  There are gay coffee shops (Vera's!), clubs (Gay '90s), and the University of Minnesota is very nice and liberal and has a huge GLBT student group with a significant presence on campus.

If anyone knows anything about the liberalness of Sacramento and the area in California north of the Bay Area, I'd be grateful.  I've heard that it's a bit conservative, but no one's really cited examples.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Yuki on February 26, 2007, 12:16:30 AM
Thank you, Bouzie. Is your avatar the guy from the movie, Spanish Apartment? I like him, too. ;-)

I have a straight friend at Vandy Law. As far as I've heard from him, Vandy is full of southern hospitality but also very conservative. No gay social life outside campus, I think. If you find someone to hang out with on campus, you'll be fine.

I spent one semester in the Bay Area and Norcal is wonderful in every measure (weather, hospitality, gay life, food, etc.)

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 26, 2007, 07:38:26 AM
Haven't posted on here before (not sure if being bisexual counts since there seem to be varying opinions on it), but I thought I'd add my .02

I'm from the Twin Cities and can happily say that they (Minneapolis, in particular) are incredibly GLBT-friendly.  Uptown in Minneapolis is a veritable paradise for that crowd.  There are gay coffee shops (Vera's!), clubs (Gay '90s), and the University of Minnesota is very nice and liberal and has a huge GLBT student group with a significant presence on campus.

If anyone knows anything about the liberalness of Sacramento and the area in California north of the Bay Area, I'd be grateful.  I've heard that it's a bit conservative, but no one's really cited examples.

OF COURSE YOU'RE WELCOME HERE.  It is called the lgBt thread after all, silly ;)

Thanks for the info about U of M :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on February 26, 2007, 10:09:38 PM
OF COURSE YOU'RE WELCOME HERE.  It is called the lgBt thread after all, silly ;)

Thanks for the info about U of M :)

Well, thanks. :)  I don't know.  I've had some people say that bisexuals mess up the cause for some reason (I'm messy?  Who knew? ;)). 

Ooh, are they talking about L'Auberge Espagnol?  If so, I've seen it too!

Also, pray for me. . .MN's supposed to be getting the second half of a massive storm on Thursday which is when my flight is supposed to leave for Sacramento.  Eep.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 27, 2007, 05:11:45 AM
OF COURSE YOU'RE WELCOME HERE.  It is called the lgBt thread after all, silly ;)

Thanks for the info about U of M :)

Well, thanks. :)  I don't know.  I've had some people say that bisexuals mess up the cause for some reason (I'm messy?  Who knew? ;)). 

Ooh, are they talking about L'Auberge Espagnol?  If so, I've seen it too!

Also, pray for me. . .MN's supposed to be getting the second half of a massive storm on Thursday which is when my flight is supposed to leave for Sacramento.  Eep.


Yup ;) Romaine Duris (Xavier) is my 'tar.  Damn he's hot in a quirky way. 


I'm so sorry to hear about the weather; even if delayed you should def get there by friday at 10am.  I haven't even checked the weather for Boston on Thursday yet eeeek.  I'm actually trying to figure out transportation crap about now and its making me suicidal.  I need to figure out a way from the airport to the hotel, from the hotel to the law school, and from the law school to the GREYHOUND station ( I still cant beleive Im going to take a greyhound...).  I was thinking of avoiding this all by renting a car since U of P tol dme on the phone that they would pay for a one day rental.  However, Im a bit skeptical; they're already paying $375 for my flight.  Also there are fees for dropping off the car in another city(SF) and for being under 25 bringing the total cost to almost 100 bucks.  Urgh I just wish that I could figure this all out, I can't believe that its in 2 days.   God, this is a hectic time in the life of a law school applicant.  Not to mention that my February LSAT score will be released on Friday..........AHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


(btw I dont think people get mad at bisexuals in general, I think its the whole trendy goth pseudobisexual crowd that pisses people off.  As a GSA advisor Im VERY familiar with this crowd...)

Cant wait to meet you in three days!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 27, 2007, 11:17:19 AM
Did you really scream when you typed the scream?

If not, please do so now, for authenticity's sake. 


If I wasn't at work I probably would.  Sadly, even if I did, I don't think that my students owuld think that it is too much out of character...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 27, 2007, 11:25:39 AM
I'm currently trying to get in to sub. 

Before law I was actually at Michigan going for a degree in education. 

So, this would be my way of kinda sorta seeing what it would have been like. 

sax, I love it when we're online at the same time ;)
  I HIGHLY advise you against subbing.  I did it when I was 19 and it was horrible.  My kids eat subs alive--its ridiculous.  Can you look into being a special ed paraprofessional; it seems like a ridiculously easy job and it doesnt come wiht the flack that being a sub comes with.  Come out to Mass and I'll get yah a job here ;)

My kids are writing comic strips about colonial america right now; its so cute.  Ive taught high school in the past, Im teaching 8th right now (8-12 school--weird).  Anyway, being in school is much more fun than teaching it.  I cant wait ;)!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Susan Kingsfield on February 27, 2007, 11:34:47 AM
Emory- Atlanta has a huge lgbt community.  I emailed with someone from the lgbt campus group and he seemed pretty happy with atlanta and emory.


C'mon guys and girls lets get some more info on here; decision day is coming soon!!!

Atlanta is very gay friendly.

Anything specific you want to know?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 27, 2007, 11:42:04 AM
Aw, that's mighty kind of you to say, especially this week :-[

Basically, I need something to do between now and May-ish, when I hope I'll get one of the dozens of DC internships I've applied for.  I'm over retail, I don't want to start anything long-term and then have to quit, etc., etc. 

The problem is that without a TC, it's pretty hard to do anything in the schools.  At least in my area.  As it is, I only found one lone district in my county that accepted subs without a TC.  It is a little scary, though, you're right.  I made a sub cry in 8th grade when I asked if she'd made her outfit herself that morning with a Bedazzler  :-\

But, I'm cute and well dressed and funny, so they should go easy on me, right  :D  At least the girls and the confused boys. 

Edit: OMG, colonial anything is awesome!  Lucky kids, them are. 


Your friend were shocked when you came out, weren't they? ;)

i HATE colonial crap--I'd much rather be teaching global studies, civics, and psych which is what I've done in the past.  I just find early US history soooooooo boring.  It doesnt start getting interesting until the 1900s and I stop after the Civil war.  blagh.  At least I have a good group of kids.

You have to have an ed licensure to sub in michigan??? that sucks.  I think we just require them to breathe and not be child molestors.  That's about it.  Did you apply for the HRC policy internship?  I thought of doing that last summer but wasn't accepted.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on February 27, 2007, 11:17:23 PM


Yup ;) Romaine Duris (Xavier) is my 'tar.  Damn he's hot in a quirky way. 


I'm so sorry to hear about the weather; even if delayed you should def get there by friday at 10am.  I haven't even checked the weather for Boston on Thursday yet eeeek.  I'm actually trying to figure out transportation crap about now and its making me suicidal.  I need to figure out a way from the airport to the hotel, from the hotel to the law school, and from the law school to the GREYHOUND station ( I still cant beleive Im going to take a greyhound...).  I was thinking of avoiding this all by renting a car since U of P tol dme on the phone that they would pay for a one day rental.  However, Im a bit skeptical; they're already paying $375 for my flight.  Also there are fees for dropping off the car in another city(SF) and for being under 25 bringing the total cost to almost 100 bucks.  Urgh I just wish that I could figure this all out, I can't believe that its in 2 days.   God, this is a hectic time in the life of a law school applicant.  Not to mention that my February LSAT score will be released on Friday..........AHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


(btw I dont think people get mad at bisexuals in general, I think its the whole trendy goth pseudobisexual crowd that pisses people off.  As a GSA advisor Im VERY familiar with this crowd...)

Cant wait to meet you in three days!


Oh dear.  I'm an idiot and just posted practically the same damn thing in the t3 and 4 thread to you.  I have too many tabs open!!  >:(

uhm, Bouzie-matok, Pacific reimbursed me almost $600 for my trip out two years ago ($450 for a flight, $45 for shuttle/taxi to and from the school and hotel and about $50 for the hotel).  If that's the most convenient way, do it and just make sure you have receipts for everything. 

I hear you, though.  I'm trying to get my negotiating done for some schools before I leave, but I don't have time because I'm working late to make up for the hours I'll be missing on Friday.  GRR.  I'm really looking forward to my trip, though, even if it's technically only 2 days (Friday and Saturday since we leave at midnight on Sunday morning).  Do you know what I look like enough from my little avatar?  Do you look like the facebook pic I saw?  Mine's so freakishly outdated that it's not very accurate I'd say.  Plus I'll be wearing glasses most likely because I don't want contacts scratching my eyes out for 6 hours.

EEEE!  So excited to meet you and ari :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 06:31:56 AM


Yup ;) Romaine Duris (Xavier) is my 'tar.  Damn he's hot in a quirky way. 


I'm so sorry to hear about the weather; even if delayed you should def get there by friday at 10am.  I haven't even checked the weather for Boston on Thursday yet eeeek.  I'm actually trying to figure out transportation crap about now and its making me suicidal.  I need to figure out a way from the airport to the hotel, from the hotel to the law school, and from the law school to the GREYHOUND station ( I still cant beleive Im going to take a greyhound...).  I was thinking of avoiding this all by renting a car since U of P tol dme on the phone that they would pay for a one day rental.  However, Im a bit skeptical; they're already paying $375 for my flight.  Also there are fees for dropping off the car in another city(SF) and for being under 25 bringing the total cost to almost 100 bucks.  Urgh I just wish that I could figure this all out, I can't believe that its in 2 days.   God, this is a hectic time in the life of a law school applicant.  Not to mention that my February LSAT score will be released on Friday..........AHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


(btw I dont think people get mad at bisexuals in general, I think its the whole trendy goth pseudobisexual crowd that pisses people off.  As a GSA advisor Im VERY familiar with this crowd...)

Cant wait to meet you in three days!


Oh dear.  I'm an idiot and just posted practically the same damn thing in the t3 and 4 thread to you.  I have too many tabs open!!  >:(

uhm, Bouzie-matok, Pacific reimbursed me almost $600 for my trip out two years ago ($450 for a flight, $45 for shuttle/taxi to and from the school and hotel and about $50 for the hotel).  If that's the most convenient way, do it and just make sure you have receipts for everything. 

I hear you, though.  I'm trying to get my negotiating done for some schools before I leave, but I don't have time because I'm working late to make up for the hours I'll be missing on Friday.  GRR.  I'm really looking forward to my trip, though, even if it's technically only 2 days (Friday and Saturday since we leave at midnight on Sunday morning).  Do you know what I look like enough from my little avatar?  Do you look like the facebook pic I saw?  Mine's so freakishly outdated that it's not very accurate I'd say.  Plus I'll be wearing glasses most likely because I don't want contacts scratching my eyes out for 6 hours.

EEEE!  So excited to meet you and ari :)


Hahah I'll put up a self 'tar for today.   


ok so I just looked for all of the pictures I have of myself on my work laptop are ridiculously old haha.  so here's my tar is a pic of me at some sorority ball my senior year of college lol.  I've since shaved my head and Im like 3 years older.  I've also probabloy gained like 10 lbs during this application process but whatever ;)  I look much more like the pics I have on my facebook acct, though those ones suck as well.  One thing not evident from my pics is that I am fairly tall, so thats a good distinguishing factor.  Look for the 6'2 guy with very very short black hair.

Are you saying that I could just get a rental car?  I was thinking about doing that but I feel pretty bad racking up a bill that someone else has to pay.  They agreed to pay for a rental car in a phone conversation but I don't think they knew about all of the extra costs invovled in that, though it would probably end up being about the same price and would be a lot less of a hassle than me trying to figure out a way from the airport to the hotel, from the hotel to pacific and from pacific to the BUS station.   Maybe ill just rent the car, submit the reciept and suck it up if they dont pay it.  At this point 100 bucks isnt even a drop in the pan :(

That sucks that your flight is at 12AM on sunday :*(.  Are you going to San Francisco at all?  Im going to spend friday night and saturday there!! :)  ok my posts on this thread are getting pretty rambling so Im going to shut up for the moment.  See you in a couple of days!



Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 10:49:09 AM
suddenly i love this thread even more than I usually do ;)  I'll be hunting for a boyfriend in a few months, spread the word that I'm a cutie!!


yeah my ego isnt actually that big but I really liked the idea of two future lawyers fighting for my affection.  Please, don't let me get in the way of this brawl ;)

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 11:27:47 AM
We'll see where Bouzie ends up for LS. 

His BF hunting could be easier than he thinks  ;)

Are you kidding, CW?  I wear cups just for funsies!

I'm sad that there has been LGBT Facebookery going on without me. 

There was a time I was LSD's Facebook King  :'(


Friend me friend me!!!!!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 11:36:01 AM
PM me your name, or tell me how else I might find you  :)


doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and dont tell me I didnt warn you that my pic in my facebook is a lot different ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 11:52:40 AM
PM me your name, or tell me how else I might find you  :)


doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and dont tell me I didnt warn you that my pic in my facebook is a lot different ;)


PM me too, pweeeese.






Totally...mostly I love you since you starred in a sitcom with kim fields, who was one the FACTS OF LIFE which is, of course, the best show EVER.

...we're silly today

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 12:01:55 PM
PM me your name, or tell me how else I might find you  :)


doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and dont tell me I didnt warn you that my pic in my facebook is a lot different ;)


PM me too, pweeeese.






Totally...mostly I love you since you starred in a sitcom with kim fields, who was one the FACTS OF LIFE which is, of course, the best show EVER.

...we're silly today



Don't forget that I was actually in Chicago - Best picture 2002 & unofficial most gay movie of 2002.  & I'll be in Hairspray - set to be the gayest movie of 2007!


Im just gay enough to love the golden girls, but not gay enough to watch musical theatre without vomitting.

btw I went to a high school production of "Seussical" today---kill me.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 12:20:29 PM
PM me your name, or tell me how else I might find you  :)


doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee and dont tell me I didnt warn you that my pic in my facebook is a lot different ;)


PM me too, pweeeese.






Totally...mostly I love you since you starred in a sitcom with kim fields, who was one the FACTS OF LIFE which is, of course, the best show EVER.

...we're silly today



Don't forget that I was actually in Chicago - Best picture 2002 & unofficial most gay movie of 2002.  & I'll be in Hairspray - set to be the gayest movie of 2007!


Im just gay enough to love the golden girls, but not gay enough to watch musical theatre without vomitting.

btw I went to a high school production of "Seussical" today---kill me.

Yeah, I'm sure Seussical is pretty heinous (especially when performed by teenagers).  I don't really like the new stuff anyway...my favorites are Porgy and Bess and Sweeney Todd...I guess that says something about my tastes and personality.


PS...I friended you, but I don't have any pictures or anything on my page, so it isn't a very fair trade.  Sorry  :P


Facebook with no photos??? LAME

I should block the one good pic I have from you!---the picture of me in a winnie the poooh tigger outfit.
;)  I wonder if some school has a tiger mascot and I could send them that picture to show them how much I wanted to go!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 02:02:38 PM





Facebook with no photos??? LAME

I should block the one good pic I have from you!---the picture of me in a winnie the poooh tigger outfit.
;)  I wonder if some school has a tiger mascot and I could send them that picture to show them how much I wanted to go!
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Ok, fine.  My facepic is up.  All the info in my account fake fake fake, though.
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hmmm maybe im not being as deceptive as I should be???
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 02:03:41 PM
BTW Sax and Watifah, you're both cuter than I am.  I think I see a match made in Heaven...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 05:48:50 PM
Oy, Bouzie!  I answered him, then deleted after I knew he saw it.  I'm trying to protect a persona here. ;)  (p.s.  so, delete please  :))

eeek sorry, i suck
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 06:31:10 PM
i LOVE that this thread has consisted of us calling each other hot all day long... pretty soon this can be a gay.com forum


"where u at dude"

"Looking?"

"What r u into?"
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 06:49:14 PM
i LOVE that this thread has consisted of us calling each other hot all day long... pretty soon this can be a gay.com forum


"where u at dude"

"Looking?"

"What r u into?"

I like that it's just us three & no one has interrupted.

P.S.  You guys are hott.

P.P.S. I'm just sitting around at home waiting for American Idol and America's Next Top Model to start.

Where u at?


Im watching american idol while posting AND eating swedish fish.  Im a super multitasker.  Yeah the no interuptions thing is pretty weird...maybe if the conversation were to shift back to something law school related????? who knows...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 07:05:55 PM
I'm watching Idol too, but not eating Swedish fish (although I'd like to) on account of my being on a diet for my ASW in 20 days (that's kinda law school related, right?).

I haven't been on gay.com in eons. 





Im getting fat and im getting poor all thanks to his law school thing.  I keep telling myself that I'll go on a diet on Monday.  Its been about 12 mondays, I think Ive gained 10 lbs. eeeeeeeek.  Im also very much NOT looking for a man at the moment so theres less incentive for me not to be disgusting.

So I liked Idol better last night.  These girls are kind of annoying.  Yes, I know its pathetic that Ive watched american idol two night sin a row.   Im also trying to figure out if I can bring my Mach 3 in my carryon on my flight tomorrow; anyone know?

WHich ASW are you going to sax?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 07:28:36 PM
Sax,

Maybe I'll see yah in DC.  I'm saving a personal day for when Georgetown and GW both accept me after they see my new LSAT score this week.  Yup, no boys til 2L is sorta the mantra at the moment.  Also, notice how Im completing neglecting to respond to the rest of your post;)

Khadijah,

I cant believe you know their names!!  I liked the jamiroquiai guy since I really liked the late 90s ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 07:29:34 PM
Not looking for a man?  How disappointing!

I watch American Idol pretty faithfully.  I don't even front anymore.  My name is Saxby and I'm addicted to competitive reality television. 

I didn't eat at all last week, except for Starbucks strawberries and cremes, so it's really jumpstarted my diet.  My mom's here this week, which means I have to eat, but I think when she leaves I'm going to try the Slimfast thing and be really dedicated at the gym until my ASW (Catholic). 

Hmmm, I don't know, but when I had my very unfortunate lube/sex toy incident at National last month, it was devestating when they took some brand new stuff I had and threw it away right in front of me.  I'd either consult an authority or just leave it. 

Unless, of course, you're not as easily devestated as I  ;)

Ew.

Anyway, yeah, I wouldn't try to bring a razor on board.

I liked the guys last night, too.  Blake + Brandon + Chris R...is there anything better?  Also, I think Chris S. would be a fun guy to hang around.
What was with Jared?  "I'd like to dedicate this song to my loved ones....'Let's get it onnnn.'



Was he from Kentucky?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 07:33:22 PM
It wasn't a dirty story!  It was a Saxby is totally embarrassed almost died story!

I'll be there like, 22nd-25th-ish, or 26th?  Whatever the best flight turns out to be.

I would do just about anything to get into GW.   

Edit: Blake is yummy, in case anyone missed that the first time. 

can you link a pic of him?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 07:36:51 PM
It wasn't a dirty story!  It was a Saxby is totally embarrassed almost died story!

I'll be there like, 22nd-25th-ish, or 26th?  Whatever the best flight turns out to be.

I would do just about anything to get into GW.   

Edit: Blake is yummy, in case anyone missed that the first time. 

can you link a pic of him?

He's the blond beatbox/jamiroquai guy.

so i guess i could just not be ridiculously lazy and google him....blake
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Bouzie1982 on February 28, 2007, 07:38:45 PM
this isnt going to make me popular


but


ehhh
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on March 01, 2007, 10:56:33 AM
::Interruption::

Sooo . . . I'm noticing a lot of talk about DC - is anyone thinking about/definitely going to American?? I AM (somewhere between the former and the latter)!! So, you know how everyone's Lambda/Outlaw websites are embrassingly out of date? (Well except that holy grail Michigan but we can't all be so lucky can we). Well on the American one there's s link to where you can join their Yahoo discussion group . . . and it's SOOOO current, they're all "Meeting tomorrow!" "Drag Bingo on Friday!" "JAG Protest Tuesday!" - it's DREAMY I can't WAIT!!

So that's my advertisement and who's going to the ASW with me March 23?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on March 01, 2007, 11:02:47 AM
Does that mean you'll be there? Gotta represent!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on March 03, 2007, 08:35:44 PM
must catch up on the gays....

Don't fret---Im here (Bouzie1982)  I deleted bc I thought it would force me not to check these boards on my minivacation----but Im sitting in the airport in boston bc of crappy weather in chicago and I have absolutley nothing to do....so here I am.  I HATE airports.    I almost hopped on a flight to LA with the hope of getting a standby seat on the slight to sacramento...then I decided that was really stupid. 


American sounds great.  DC is great.


I want to die



(btw thanks for caring about my seeming departure ;)   )
agreed x3 ((1) I deleted as well once and (2) I just flew through DC, St. Louis, Austin, Dallas, and Baltimore since Wednesday, mostly standby, blechhhhhhhhhh and (3) DC is great).

PS STL airport sucks harddddd... I walked about 20 minutes to get Burger King and found it to be empty of food, with an attendent, who after much prompting responded that they were "open, but without food"... then had chinese that made me want to vomit... then was transferred between 3 terminals due to various problems, one of which included my plane being connected with what looked like jumper cables to a early 90s Dodge Caravan on the tarmac with no side door, headlights, or mirrors...

I will tell you, don't get stranded at Reagan, because there's no motherfucking internet.  I learned that on my last two hour delay.
TRUE... ugh... I spent an hour and wired my Treo to the laptop for internet... must have internet. It worked, thank god.

179
holy *&^% dude that is ridic! major congrats!!!!!

I only want to be here or in Washington. 
I REALLY LOVE DC
So many men who love DC + men, yay for that.

The m4m page is always way skanky.
Did they change the disclaimer recently? CL used to just have one for m4m and that always bothered me a bit, but as I was typing that, I just re-checked and now it seems all the "4"'s have the don't @#!* strangers warnings. It pleases me that it's no longer just an m4m thing.

and that completes my post-trip catchup, lol.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on March 04, 2007, 01:35:35 AM
Aww, yay!  Bouzie didn't run away.

Glad to see it.  Have a happy trip & let us be the first to know when you hear about your LSAT score (don't go over to the LSAT study board...they're a bunch o' ninnies, especially on score release day).

OH MY GOD I GOT A 179!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG, congratulations, Bouzie!!!  This is so awesome!

The gays are continuing to represent :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: incognito on March 04, 2007, 07:55:09 PM
wow, you all are much more talkative than we were last year.  Thirty pages of posts?  Here's a plug for Duke Law, where all the cool kids go.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on March 05, 2007, 06:53:56 PM
Make sure it's Godiva, too.

No one's going to be jealous of a Whitman Sampler...


NO TALKING ABOUT CHOCOLATE.   Now that this application madness is nearly over Im trying to lose these 15 lbs I've gained since september...Its not as much as it sounds like sicne Im 6'2 but still....blaugh  NO CHOCOLATE.  besides Boalt sent me a basket of assorted napa valley wines ;)

No kidding.  I'm so very seriously going to start a work-out regimen when I get to law school.  And it's not going to be just skating, since skating does nothing to tone the tummy (unfortunately).

Oh yeah, and congrats on that LSAT score, Mister. ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on March 05, 2007, 07:44:36 PM
Make sure it's Godiva, too.

No one's going to be jealous of a Whitman Sampler...


NO TALKING ABOUT CHOCOLATE.   Now that this application madness is nearly over Im trying to lose these 15 lbs I've gained since september...Its not as much as it sounds like sicne Im 6'2 but still....blaugh  NO CHOCOLATE.  besides Boalt sent me a basket of assorted napa valley wines ;)

No kidding.  I'm so very seriously going to start a work-out regimen when I get to law school.  And it's not going to be just skating, since skating does nothing to tone the tummy (unfortunately).

Oh yeah, and congrats on that LSAT score, Mister. ;)


You dont look like you need any working out ;)! Sorry to hear about the crapinness of the Sacramento rink.

Also THANKS for dealing with me on Friday during my hysteria!!!! ---Matokah was at the Pacific day with me and had to deal with my "OH MY GOD I JUST GOT MY LSAT SCORE OMG OMG OMG" and she didnt even smack me !

hehe, no problem (and thanks about the not working out thing. . .I need to lose some tummy flab, but I'm not going to go all emotional and say I'm overweight or anything ;)).  I was just so excited for you and proud of myself for not being too hugely jealous!

No problem on the Sac rink either.  Roseville, a northern suburb, has a 2 rink facility that's brand new.  But now with that darned Loyola - PT acceptance, hmm. . .first I have to ask Pacific for more money.  Then if it works, my decision will be easy. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on March 05, 2007, 09:03:17 PM
Ah!!  Thanks!  ;D

I think I would've been more excited witha full-time acceptance (but there's the catch-22 because I wouldn't have gotten into their school applying full-time, and it would've cost a fortune ;)).  Still, it's pretty cool.  I just wish I could visit. . .I doubt work's going to let me off for it, though.  I've only taken ONE day off since I started last September (that was for McGeorge), and some of them were complaining (even though the office was closed due to the weather!).  Bleh.

So. . .I was going to ask you: are you going to ask for more money at some of your already-accepted schools with your new score, or are you just going to try to get into your top choices?  Me, I'd ask for money, but I'm weird. :P
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on March 05, 2007, 11:28:53 PM
I just withdrew from all but two but I dont really see myself going to either of those anymore; even with full rides.  My inner debate right now is if i should wait 'til next year or not.  BUt yeh, I emailed the other two to let them know of my score along with all of the other schools I emailed.  I did get once response that was great from a school that, when I visited, was a low target/reach it was something like "CONGRATUALTIONS THAT'S AN AWESOME SCORE!!  We hope that you are still considering our school."  I thought to myself "my my how the tables have turned" lol.


ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh i have no idea what to do.  and btw matokah, youre totally not weird--money is pretttttttty important ;)

So. . .didja withdraw from Pacific and request that your scholarship be allocated to me. . .huh?  Well, didja? ;)  I seriously just wrote a two page letter to Adam Barrett so long his eyes are going to roll right out of his head before he's done reading it.  D'oh.  Going to have the BF proof it when I get home and send that sucker out (along with about 20 pages of paperwork from other schools. . .wow am I obsessive and comprehensive!). 

You've got a tough decision. . .I'd say wait a year and then the sky's the limit (heck, what about Berkeley or Yale?!), but it's tough because even if I got 10 points higher on my LSAT score, I can't see myself waiting an extra year.  I even entertained the thought that Michigan might let me into their summer start program for Summer 2008 (I know, I'm delusional), and even then the thought of having to spend another year at my job in this location made me cringe.  Then again, you want to go into non-BIG LAW stuff, so money's a huge factor for you, I'm guessing.  I don't suppose you could move to some exotic location for a year and teach English by any chance? :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: waningdelusion on March 06, 2007, 01:10:21 AM
hey yall, i would love your opinion.  william andmary is my top choice,  for those of you who don'tknow, it's a very small school in a very small town in themiddle of virginia.  i've talked to a 2l there, she knows 9 students that are out (out of 600).  i love the school, i got a great package, but is it worth it?  will i be miserable for three years? 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on March 06, 2007, 03:53:41 PM
Whoa just got back from a terrible physics lab but Congrats Bouzie!! Too bad y'all won't be there this weekend.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: darlinalexi on March 06, 2007, 05:42:16 PM
I lurk this board a lot since I'm not an LGBT candidate, but I am interested in practicing LGBT advocacy law...

Anyway, I just wanted to say congrats to Xavier on Michigan!  That's really awesome!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on March 06, 2007, 07:11:05 PM
congrats on getting in!  I'm looking forward to meeting so many of you soon!

Outlaws is definitely having events both weekends.  I know that we'll be tabling at the organization fair at each ASW, and that this week we're going to a bar one night and hanging out at an Outlaw's apartment another night. 

I assume that things will be similar for the second ASW, but things probably won't be formalized until after this ASW. 

There might be a lag between when students are admitted and when Outlaws gets notified, so I'm happy to answer questions if you post here or PM me in the interim.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Matokah on March 06, 2007, 07:41:46 PM
Congrats Bouzie (can I still call you that? :))!!!  I'm so happy for you!  (p.s., can I take one of your old LSAT scores and ask Michigan to reevaluate me?  J/K, I think I'm done with cold weather ;))

In other news, I send off my letter requesting additional scholarship funds to Pacific today.  Please keep your fingers crossed for me that they like me enough to grant my request. . .
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on March 06, 2007, 09:58:05 PM
congrats on getting in!  I'm looking forward to meeting so many of you soon!

Outlaws is definitely having events both weekends.  I know that we'll be tabling at the organization fair at each ASW, and that this week we're going to a bar one night and hanging out at an Outlaw's apartment another night. 

I assume that things will be similar for the second ASW, but things probably won't be formalized until after this ASW. 

There might be a lag between when students are admitted and when Outlaws gets notified, so I'm happy to answer questions if you post here or PM me in the interim.

How do we find out about these Outlaw events, I've never heard anything from Michigan's Outlaws.  :-[
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on March 07, 2007, 09:13:25 AM
when you get to the ASW, there will be a sheet with outlaws information in your registration folder (along with lots of other event listings). 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 08, 2007, 12:25:32 PM
Just wanted to drop in any say hi to my fellow LGBT applicants. I'm applying in the next cycle, and it's been helpful reading through here and seeing people's thoughts on various issues.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: ihatemakingdecisions on March 08, 2007, 04:49:35 PM
Anyone know about gay life at UNC?  Or is going to/considering UNC?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on March 11, 2007, 05:49:44 PM
just dropping in to represent the L's (for Watifah) and to say congrats to Bouz on the fantastic score and Michigan... way to go! 



Also, any thoughts from any of you on queer life at GW or UCLA?  I'm visiting GW next week, so I might knwo more then.  But if any of you have visited and know of things I should check out, let me know.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on March 11, 2007, 06:14:35 PM
I'm curious about LGBT life at Penn. I know that they have a Lambda chapter, but not much beyond that. Does anyone have some first-hand experience, info, etc.?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on March 11, 2007, 06:38:12 PM
Found it - thanks.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on March 12, 2007, 01:30:26 AM
Bouzie congrats on Michigan, you're living the dream!!

<-------- Jealous!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on March 12, 2007, 01:27:29 PM
Dammit, I just wrote a super long post about Michigan and how cool the Outlaws were, etc... and then LSD ate it :(

Suffice to say both Michigan and the Outlaws were AMAZING.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on March 13, 2007, 12:07:52 AM
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Where's it looking like for you kates?
It's looking like yummy yummy American. Too bad every damn gay person in the world is going to Michigan.  ::)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 13, 2007, 07:31:05 AM
Kates: American is known as "Gay U" in this area. Probably because of the rhyming, but still, I don't think you'll have any problem finding people to hang with there.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on March 13, 2007, 11:27:57 AM
Bouzie-- Belated congratulations on Michigan!  That is such awesome news!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on March 13, 2007, 11:33:46 AM
Kates: American is known as "Gay U" in this area. Probably because of the rhyming, but still, I don't think you'll have any problem finding people to hang with there.
Hah, that's funny. The nick for GW was "Gay Way".
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on March 13, 2007, 11:40:10 AM
Bouzie-- Belated congratulations on Michigan!  That is such awesome news!


aww thanks Mike ;)  Let us know when you make your final decision!

The Facebook says HLS...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on March 13, 2007, 11:46:17 AM
I had no idea GW was so gay until my ex told me it was. 

I would have figured Georgetown.

It's fancier  :)
But regrettably asocial, at least in the city. I guess maybe they had dorm parties or something? In six years of much socializing in DC, I met exactly one Georgetown person going out. It was very, very bizarre, considering all the other schools represented out on the town.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on March 13, 2007, 12:03:41 PM
I'm being taken out by a Georgetowner when I'm there for my ASW  ;D
See if he uses some sort of underground tunnel or portal to access a DC nightlife netherworld - I'd be curious to know what they do for fun.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Mr. Bitterness on March 13, 2007, 04:03:46 PM
Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question or not, or if it has already been answered elsewhere, but does anyone know if being gay actually boosts chances of admission? Like a gay affirmative action? I'm gay and black, and I know being black will help with admissions, but I wonder how mentioning that I'm gay might go over with the adcomms. Would it be a positive (Wow! Two minorities in one!)? Or would it be a negative (Great, the last thing we need in this school is another godless homosexual)? How has it played out with you guys?

Again, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on March 13, 2007, 05:18:46 PM
Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question or not, or if it has already been answered elsewhere, but does anyone know if being gay actually boosts chances of admission? Like a gay affirmative action? I'm gay and black, and I know being black will help with admissions, but I wonder how mentioning that I'm gay might go over with the adcomms. Would it be a positive (Wow! Two minorities in one!)? Or would it be a negative (Great, the last thing we need in this school is another godless homosexual)? How has it played out with you guys?

Again, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this.

This is purely anecdotal, but I know a guy who wrote his statements about being gay and black, and he's currently at one of the Top 3. 

I don't think being a double minority hurts your chances, and if it does, you probably wouldn't feel comfortable there anyway.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on March 14, 2007, 01:53:08 AM
Mike, I may come up for part of the Unbound conference.  Will you have time for a drink?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on March 14, 2007, 02:32:54 PM
Quote
Kates: American is known as "Gay U" in this area. Probably because of the rhyming, but still, I don't think you'll have any problem finding people to hang with there.


AAAAHHHHH!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: degrassi on March 14, 2007, 03:21:16 PM
This thread blew up! I checked diligently for months and there was rarely a new post... what happened? I wish I had the time to read the previous 20 pages but I don't.

Either way, congrats to all acceptances posted :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on March 14, 2007, 07:34:07 PM
Mike, I may come up for part of the Unbound conference.  Will you have time for a drink?

Miss P--  I'd love to meet up with you!  I'll be there from Saturday morning until Tuesday afternoon...what days will you be there?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on March 14, 2007, 08:37:52 PM
Just as a note for those who will be around during HLS admit days:

Lambda is co-hosting a showing of Yossi and Jagger, a film about a couple in the Israeli military.  All the details can be found on our events page: http://hlslambda.com/events.htm

We also, of course, will be representing at the org fair and hosting one of the student org dinners.  See you then!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Miss P on March 14, 2007, 08:53:40 PM
Mike, I may come up for part of the Unbound conference.  Will you have time for a drink?

Miss P--  I'd love to meet up with you!  I'll be there from Saturday morning until Tuesday afternoon...what days will you be there?

Sadly, I've just figured out that I can't come!  >:(  I hope you have a great time, though, and I'll make it up there sometime next year to take you out, I promise -- if you do decide to keep that HLS email account. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on March 15, 2007, 02:00:00 PM
Hey, I thought id try this board ...

Im the GSA advisor at a high school this year and we'd like to show "the matthew shephard story" as part of an after school film series.  The problem is that its a made for TV movie (NBC) and I cant find a copy of it.  Does anyone happen to have a copy or know where I can get a copy.

Thanks, thought it was worth a try ;)

You could try the "The Laramie Project" based on the play. It is documentary like and has Christina Ricci etc, it tears me up every time and is easier to find.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on March 16, 2007, 04:38:12 AM
Mike, I may come up for part of the Unbound conference.  Will you have time for a drink?

Miss P--  I'd love to meet up with you!  I'll be there from Saturday morning until Tuesday afternoon...what days will you be there?

Sadly, I've just figured out that I can't come!  >:(  I hope you have a great time, though, and I'll make it up there sometime next year to take you out, I promise -- if you do decide to keep that HLS email account. :)

Awww...too bad I won't get to meet you this weekend, but that sounds like a deal!  HLS is looking better and better these days--now, if my SO can get job in Boston...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on April 02, 2007, 02:10:20 PM
Anyone going to Penn on April 5th, or is everybody bolting for Michigan?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 02, 2007, 02:15:47 PM
Anyone going to Penn on April 5th, or is everybody bolting for Michigan?

Not going to Penn's Preview because I went to their ASW but I have Penn above Michigan right now.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 02, 2007, 02:20:12 PM
Anyone going to Penn on April 5th, or is everybody bolting for Michigan?

Not going to Penn's Preview because I went to their ASW but I have Penn above Michigan right now.

 :'(

I'm sorry! I haven't made my decision yet though, it probably will change many times over.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 02, 2007, 02:36:15 PM
Can I just say I love that ASW season has brought out all the cute 'tars?

 ;D

word.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 02, 2007, 02:46:14 PM
Anyone going to Penn on April 5th, or is everybody bolting for Michigan?

Not going to Penn's Preview because I went to their ASW but I have Penn above Michigan right now.


WTF---The michigan crew is dropping like flies... :(!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not really I was never sure.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on April 02, 2007, 03:35:04 PM
*whispers Georgetown's praises into Ersatz's ear*

Still waiting for Georgetown's financial aid letter! I haven't been able to find time to visit there yet, but I'm really hoping to do so sometime in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on April 02, 2007, 04:17:42 PM
Anyone going to Penn on April 5th, or is everybody bolting for Michigan?

Not going to Penn's Preview because I went to their ASW but I have Penn above Michigan right now.


WTF---The michigan crew is dropping like flies... :(!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you pretty much decided on Michigan, bouzie?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on April 02, 2007, 08:26:37 PM
dc is plenty gay.
and how.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 03, 2007, 12:22:06 PM
Michigan Michigan Michigan. Bla bla bla. Here's a salient observation I found on XOXO about American WCL:

"WCL is full of feminazi hippie anti-American terrorist types. BOMB WCL!!!"

I LOVE IT! I'm there for sure now! Who's with me?!?!  ;D
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 03, 2007, 01:58:52 PM
 ;D TITCR
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: t L on April 03, 2007, 05:42:56 PM
Hey guys, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question or not, or if it has already been answered elsewhere, but does anyone know if being gay actually boosts chances of admission? Like a gay affirmative action? I'm gay and black, and I know being black will help with admissions, but I wonder how mentioning that I'm gay might go over with the adcomms. Would it be a positive (Wow! Two minorities in one!)? Or would it be a negative (Great, the last thing we need in this school is another godless homosexual)? How has it played out with you guys?

Again, sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this.

Hey, I'm both Black and gay and I think it helps a lot, but only depending on what schools we're talking about.  I wrote my PS about growing up and dealing with Black homophobia and I think it was pretty good (PM me if you're interested in reading).  There are some schools where I think it's a big positive (Michigan, some blacks with numbers better than mine got rejected while I was waitlisted) and some where I think it negatively affects your chances (GULC and Virginia, some blacks with numbers almost identical to mine got accepted and I got waitlisted at both).

Here's a good link for you: http://www.lsac.org/LSAC.asp?url=lsac/information-gay-lesbian-bisexual-applicants.asp

If you go down to where it says "Selecting Law Schools", it actually has a survey that all the law schools answered and one of the questions was if being gay was a positive factor in admissions.  Pay close attention the responses.  If you are thinking about coming out in your apps and are worried about negative or positives effects, check out that survey.  If you have any other questions, PM me.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: t L on April 03, 2007, 05:45:25 PM
I really need to start posting on this thread.  You guys seem so cool.

I had no idea that Michigan was going to be so gay next year.  They REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYY need to accept me off the waitlist.  I wanna join in on the fun.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: S.A. on April 03, 2007, 05:55:04 PM
Well, our goal is to take over Michigan, so... we would always love more help! :P
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: rugercaptain on April 03, 2007, 09:20:20 PM
Well, our goal is to take over Michigan, so... we would always love more help! :P

I'm about as queer as the day is long, and I applied to Michigan, but my numbers suck so I don't think I'll be of any help (unless U of M law wants a lesbian ex-firefighter wannabe lawyer).  
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: t L on April 04, 2007, 05:38:49 AM
you should totally come ;)  --- are you gonna enroll if the accept you off the WL ?               

Hell yes.  It's just the whole acceptance part that is causing the problem.

Dean Z apparently mentioned something about admitting a LOT of gay men into the class. 

OK, it's obvious that she's tailoring the class to my personal needs, so I'm a shoe-in to get off the waitlist now.  ;D

I hope most of them decide to enroll, if not, they can follow me to whatever school I end up at.


Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: S.A. on April 04, 2007, 06:01:55 AM

Ann Arbor seemed like a cool place to be gay and not have to deal with a ridiculous and pretentious gay 'scene'.
      

I got this feeling too.  It seems like the lgbt community in ann arbor is just small enough that everyone isn't segregated into their own identity-based bar/club yet large enough that there's enough going on.  It should be an interesting change for me.  I grew up in a town with almost no gay people and I now live in a city with a pretty big gay village and scene.

I think the incoming class seems especially queer to me since we all seemed to find each other at the 1st preview weekend without planning it.


Dean Z apparently mentioned something about admitting a LOT of gay men into the class.  IM not sure about the lesbian situation though.

 :-\

I met a lot of cool current student women from Outlaws but I hope there is a good representation of new ladies from our class too!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 06, 2007, 03:40:44 PM
Fun!!!!??


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_re_us/disney_gay_weddings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_re_us/disney_gay_weddings)

I am SO doing that - traditional ceremonies be damned...Disney World is just about the best place on earth
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 06, 2007, 04:00:38 PM
OMG!  I have just been alerted about the latest topic of this thread. :)  As a Walt Disney World bride and your future Michigan classmate, I want to encourage you all to have Fairy Tale Weddings!  Check out my wedding pictures on Facebook!!!  And there are many more pictures that I will force upon you if you show the slightest interest when we are in Ann Arbor.

Could I be an honorary Outlaw?  I am happy to play wingman.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 06, 2007, 04:05:05 PM
Fun!!!!??


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_re_us/disney_gay_weddings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_re_us/disney_gay_weddings)

I am SO doing that - traditional ceremonies be damned...Disney World is just about the best place on earth

Haha...I think it's a tad too corny for me.  Plus, I've been to Disneyland too many times for it to be that special.

Pshh actually I just want an excuse to go to Disney World  :P
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 06, 2007, 04:11:40 PM
And Clean, when I see you in person, I will punch you in the arm for that "corny" comment!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 06, 2007, 04:13:47 PM
Fun!!!!??


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_re_us/disney_gay_weddings (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070406/ap_on_re_us/disney_gay_weddings)

I am SO doing that - traditional ceremonies be damned...Disney World is just about the best place on earth

Haha...I think it's a tad too corny for me.  Plus, I've been to Disneyland too many times for it to be that special.

PS Disney World >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disneyland
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 06, 2007, 04:28:42 PM
Not cheesy.  See evidence below:

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/kbleasdale/225.jpg)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/kbleasdale/263.jpg)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 06, 2007, 05:51:54 PM
Not cheesy.  See evidence below:

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/kbleasdale/225.jpg)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/kbleasdale/263.jpg)

Damn. Now that's a wedding.

PS Sorry I couldn't see you while I was in DC.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 06, 2007, 06:00:30 PM
It's ok... hope you had a good weekend!  Though it sounds like Michigan won't be winning the contiki battle?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 06, 2007, 06:28:49 PM
So... I was curious as to what the reaction would be on the Disney wedding message board I go to, because I often feel that most people on there are more conservative than I am, but I'm happy to report that of those who have spoken up, they've been unanimously supportive of DFTW opening up to gay couples! 

Ok, now I'll shut up about weddings.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 06, 2007, 06:32:50 PM
Those were my wedding pictures I posted.  At Disney World. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: t L on April 07, 2007, 04:05:41 PM


tL, whats your top choice right now? 

Probably Michigan, Penn, and NYU.  I think I have the best chance at Michigan.  Emory and USC are in the second tier.

Quote
And out of curiosity, why did you withdraw from WUSTL?   I was pretty impressed by them- not sure I would've had the balls to turn down that kinda offer ;)

I loved WUSTL.  It was great.  The building is really nice.  The students were great and the school seemed to really care about its students.  Only problem is that it's in St. Louis.  I'm from here and I KNOW that I would've been miserable staying here, no matter how tempting the money was. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: t L on April 07, 2007, 04:06:39 PM
Not cheesy.  See evidence below:

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/kbleasdale/225.jpg)

(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a276/kbleasdale/263.jpg)

Not cheesy at all.  Seems like you had an awesome wedding.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 07, 2007, 04:34:07 PM
Thanks!  I know the big wedding isn't for everyone.  Actually, I would have been happy with something smaller (not that our guest list was very big)... it was more my husband who was set on inviting lots of friends and getting the chance to party with them and vacation with them.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 04:38:23 PM
So I like to think of people as stocks as far as dating goes...

so does my stock go UP because I'm a 'future lawyer' and make me a more deirable catch?

OR

does my stock go down because I'm suddenly a 'student' ?

whaddaya think???

yeah I know this is a lame question but im bored and Im hoping that SOMETIME in the next three years--- I will get some nookie.

Definitely up.  Or at least I sure hope so.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 04:44:16 PM
And holy crap, Bouzie I just realized you changed your 'tar to Roger!  Amazing.

I have hilarious pictures of me and my friend on Halloween - he had made Roger's hair thing 3-D out of construction paper, it was the funniest thing I had seen in a while.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: moglidabear on April 12, 2007, 05:59:56 PM
question--
is harvard law a happy place to be queer?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 06:01:41 PM
question--
is harvard law a happy place to be queer?

Harvard is a gay place to be gay
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 06:19:53 PM
And holy crap, Bouzie I just realized you changed your 'tar to Roger!  Amazing.

I have hilarious pictures of me and my friend on Halloween - he had made Roger's hair thing 3-D out of construction paper, it was the funniest thing I had seen in a while.



Quail-- I did this because of our epic Penn battle!!!!


Hooray.  Considering going back to the self-quail 'tar in celebration
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 06:32:24 PM
W00t
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 07:00:28 PM
W00t

Im actually humming hte roger klotz song now.  I like how I ended up being the villain!!!!!!!! so sick of being the nice guy!

haha schweeet
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 08:09:51 PM
Wait, you're the dude in his underwear?!

How you doin'?

haha yes it is I
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 08:34:18 PM
that is pretty ghey
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 12, 2007, 09:25:13 PM
Right?

I mean, that doesn't stop them from wanting a little some, but still...

Lameo. 

Dude, they're just curious

Jeez.

 ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 13, 2007, 02:38:58 AM
They are curiously good at giving head, yes. 

My, this thread has gotten a bit explicit (says the guy wearing tighty-whiteys in his 'tar)

But yes, yes they are  ;D ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on April 14, 2007, 01:31:49 AM
question--
is harvard law a happy place to be queer?

You should talk to absy, our resident gay HLS troll.  IMO, it seems like a great place to be queer, since Boston is pretty open, liberal place and Harvard Law has a fairly sizable gay population.  I brought my bf to admit weekend, and everyone was cool with it.

Is Stanford no longer in the running for you??
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: moglidabear on April 14, 2007, 06:02:48 AM
these days i think i've narrowed it down to yale or harvard. i think.. hehe.. changes every 5 minutes so don't quote me.

but yeah.. stanford doesn't have much of a human rights program, and next to Columbia, it has the worst LRAP program of all my choices. so despite the beautiful campus, i'm trying to tear myself away.

by chance, were you at the admitted student weekend at Columbia or NYU? I wonder if we met... when you say $$$, do you mean a Hamilton??

question--
is harvard law a happy place to be queer?

You should talk to absy, our resident gay HLS troll.  IMO, it seems like a great place to be queer, since Boston is pretty open, liberal place and Harvard Law has a fairly sizable gay population.  I brought my bf to admit weekend, and everyone was cool with it.

Is Stanford no longer in the running for you??
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: moglidabear on April 14, 2007, 06:17:09 AM
color me embarrassed..

just realized that we've covered most of these topics on lsn :)
however, did you make it columbia's admit weekend?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on April 14, 2007, 06:41:18 AM
resident HLS troll reporting.  any specifics you'd like to hear about?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: moglidabear on April 14, 2007, 11:20:43 AM
resident HLS troll reporting.  any specifics you'd like to hear about?

hey there...

just wondering what life is like for lgbt students at harvard...
whether its a friendly environment, whether folks date, etc etc.

the other school that i am considering is yale, and while it is extremely lgbt-friendly, as a single dyke i'd probably be on a 3-year vow of celibacy. (went their for undergrad, so take my word for it.. the well is dry.)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on April 14, 2007, 05:26:50 PM
I assume you're asking if, among LGBT students, it's a friendly environment.  (If you're asking if it's an LGBT-friendly environment then HLS, Cambridge, and Massachusetts are all extremely LGBT-friendly.  I can give specifics if you'd like.)  We have both enough students total and a high enough percentage in order to have a vibrant LGBT community.  Some people decide to get involved in Lambda and others decide not to, but people are by and large quite friendly.  Judging from the first admit weekend, there are some great people coming in next year as well.

We do a tremendous number of events both politically/educationally and socially.  You can see info on that here: http://hlslambda.com/events.htm.  The incoming co-presidents have some great ideas, and I think things will only get better in that regard.

If you had asked me the dating question a year or so ago, you'd get a different answer.  But we've worked with the admissions office on this cycle and last cycle, and and we have a growing number of women.  We've also been stepping up mixer events with other grad schools.  Two of our female officers entered relationships this year.  If you PM me, I'll put you in touch with one of them (since their perspective is much more apt than mine).

I really believe that, more than just being accepted and stuff, being gay has enriched my experience at HLS. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 14, 2007, 05:37:21 PM
Quote
There is another girl in here? It's about freaking time, the boys are driving me nuts... sorry boys

  :D ;D ;) 8)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Secant Tangent Cosine Sine 3.14159 on April 14, 2007, 08:05:25 PM
Hello Everyone:

I know I should probably start a new thread for this question, but I figured you all were in here anyway, and I really want the opinions of individuals who have already applied.  So I'm a gay male that has been married for 5 years (and together with my partner for 7), living a happy life in the Chicago suburbs.  Both of my top choice schools (UChicago and NW) have listed being LGBT as a "positive admissions factor" on the LSAC website.  So here's my question:

I've completed pretty much my entire undergrad education while working full time (and I mean a real corporate job, 50+ hours per week plus 1.5 hours of commuting per day).  I've attended 16 semester hours for 6 semesters straight.  I'm not really that old (24 and graduating in a few months)--it's just what has worked best for me.  That being said, as one might imagine I haven't participated in any real "extra curriculars."  Time simply does not permit.  I have tutored for many years and still do, so I will mention that, and I have had offers for Phi Beta Kappa and Phi Theta Kappa (I got an AA first) but didn't join, but I was considering mentioning the offers anyway.  At any rate, I have no affiliations/associations that are "gay" related except for a short time I spent in a gay frat called Alpha Lambda Tau in my freshman year at ASU. 

So how did y'all bring your orientation into your application?  Personal statement?  If so, were you able to touch on it in a significant way if you didn't belong to any "gay" clubs/societies, etc.?  I figured the adcomms could get testy if the PS seemed to hammy (i.e. a shameless and overtly ostentatious gay drama centering on my personal plight and how it's a miracle I have survived such a prejudiced society). 

Any assistance would be unbelievably appreciated.

Thanks,

Secant
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on April 14, 2007, 08:14:19 PM
I also worked full-time during undergrad and thought that was more relevant than being gay. For schools that encouraged or offered the opportunity to write a "diversity statement" in addition to the personal statement, I did talk about being gay. Otherwise, there just wasn't enough space.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 14, 2007, 08:32:20 PM
Hi Secant,

I guess it depends on your individual experience. I never got involved with LGBT issues before so I did not come out on the app for most schools. It was part of my Boalt essay and I did check the boxes for Penn and Cornell but I thought I had to focus on other stuff in my DS. I did write my Yale 250 about it, but alas I have not heard back yet. lol.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: mohnblume on April 14, 2007, 09:41:14 PM
one more lurking dyke checking in....

I did not come out in my applications because I did not feel it was relevant for me to do so. If I had been involved in gay advocacy, clubs, etc., I would have found a way to weave it into my personal statement. Since I have very limited extra curriculars, I focused more on my job experience (worked my way through my undergrad as a legal assistant), as well as my life experiences.

Hope this helps a bit.

~perse
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Secant Tangent Cosine Sine 3.14159 on April 15, 2007, 09:48:36 AM
Thanks all for your comments!  :)  :P
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: moglidabear on April 15, 2007, 12:37:17 PM

There is another girl in here? It's about freaking time, the boys are driving me nuts... sorry boys
[/quote]

alas, haven't been on here very long, but its nice to meet you!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: moglidabear on April 15, 2007, 12:46:57 PM
I assume you're asking if, among LGBT students, it's a friendly environment.  (If you're asking if it's an LGBT-friendly environment then HLS, Cambridge, and Massachusetts are all extremely LGBT-friendly.  I can give specifics if you'd like.)  We have both enough students total and a high enough percentage in order to have a vibrant LGBT community.  Some people decide to get involved in Lambda and others decide not to, but people are by and large quite friendly.  Judging from the first admit weekend, there are some great people coming in next year as well.

We do a tremendous number of events both politically/educationally and socially.  You can see info on that here: http://hlslambda.com/events.htm.  The incoming co-presidents have some great ideas, and I think things will only get better in that regard.

If you had asked me the dating question a year or so ago, you'd get a different answer.  But we've worked with the admissions office on this cycle and last cycle, and and we have a growing number of women.  We've also been stepping up mixer events with other grad schools.  Two of our female officers entered relationships this year.  If you PM me, I'll put you in touch with one of them (since their perspective is much more apt than mine).

I really believe that, more than just being accepted and stuff, being gay has enriched my experience at HLS. 

thanks for being so thorough in your response! two follow questions..
first, what kind of numbers does harvard have when it comes to lgbt students, at specifically women?
secondly, can you elaborate on this statement:
"I really believe that, more than just being accepted and stuff, being gay has enriched my experience at HLS. "

i ask mostly because it was really encouraging.
the idea of taking on Harvard as a triple minority (queer. black. woman.) sort of terrifies me. probably doesn't help that my straight caucasian tour guide spoke glowingly about nepotism at harvard and harvard being an old boys club... (helped him get a job, apparently.)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on April 15, 2007, 07:44:11 PM
We have about 80 students on our listserv, and I'd say about 30 who generally will come to events.  (I'm really bad at estimating though.)  For women, we only really had about 4 or 5 in the 2L and 3L class, but there are 6 or so in the 1L class and there seem to be a number of admits.  The L/G gender gap is something the admissions office is keeping an eye on now.

I just feel like there are so many benefits to being gay at HLS.  You combine the advantages of having a large student body with the closeness of a smaller community.  Several firms are specifically interested in recruiting LGBT Harvard students.  Our regular mixers give us a chance to build friendships among other grad schools.  And now that Lambda is extremely well funded, we get to do a lot of fun stuff.

I wouldn't worry too much about the tour guide's comment.  I've actually felt like law as a field was kind of an old boy's club, but being at HLS meant that you were automatically an old boy/girl.  Does that make sense?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on April 15, 2007, 10:52:55 PM
A slightly tangential plug from Stanford: next year's SLS student body co-presidents are both gay, and one is a black lesbian.  I didn't know this, but apparently, quite a number of the women in the Stanford Law administration are also LGBT.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 17, 2007, 04:09:24 PM
So I'm a late blooming LSD person and wanted to drop in to say hello.  Anyone considering GW or NU at this point? 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 17, 2007, 05:19:05 PM
I remembered I wanted to do a post on a few thoughts I've had today while reading all 38 pages of posts.  This is more for future applicants who are beginning to troll these boards than anything else, but maybe fodder for discussion.

Is this school right for me?:  Write to the student reps for the LGBT group on campus, and then visit.  Someone else mentioned this, but it worked well for me and is worth repeating. 

LGBT @ Northwestern & Chicago:  Neither school has a particularly great LGBT presence on campus, though I would say they are at least average and within supportive environments.  Both websites are woefully out of date, but I've known queer students at both schools, and they've generally been content to happy at the schools.

The beauty of Northwestern is the ease of commute from Boystown to the campus.  There is a bus that runs right through the neighborhood and drops off right at the campus, a 20 minute commute.  The area is less expensive than downtown living, so it makes a great place to live as well as socialize.  I saw one person comment on Boystown not being as exciting as expected.  My only suggestion would be to give it more time and find someone who knows the area well. 

I personally love Andersonville, which is 30 minutes north of the campus and has traditionally been the lesbian neighborhood (though it is slowly being taken over by gay men - sorry!).  If I am lucky enough to be accepted at Northwestern, I will probably stay in Andersonville, because it is a much more relaxed neighborhood and not intensely young, gay and male.  So even if NU isn't the best school for a self-contained LGBT community, it is so close to two of the best gay neighborhoods in the US.  Also, I see getting the NU queer community's act together as a positive, which is part of the draw for me.

UofC's downside is it is in Hyde Park, which is so far south as to almost being prohibitive if you want to go out on a weekend night.  There are two alternatives: a) spend $30+ on a cab home or b) live north and commute to school.  Other than that, I don't know much about Chicago, as I got rejected before I really started investigating the school.   :-\

LGBT @ GW: The community at GW seems very active, but it was all anecdotal.  Unfortunately, they had nothing official planned for the ASW.  I contacted a couple students there beforehand and all they said was, "We will be at the student org event."  They did mention, however, that next year they will be getting some recruitment materials together as students apply/accept, so that they can be more proactive.  This I view as a very positive sign.

Coming out on your application: I did it, with a passion.  I wrote a gay and Catholic PS, and spoke about how my coming out affected both my poor early academic performance, interest in public service, and building my identity.  It worked for my situation and my experience.  I think that is the general theme regarding this issue.

-------------------------------------------------------

I hope this helps some!  Clearly, I need more responsibility at work. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LetsGetEm on April 18, 2007, 12:33:39 PM
Hey all! I'm going to be starting in the fall at either Michigan, UCLA, or Columbia (wait-listed--but fingers crossed). Anyone here likely to be at one of those schools?

I Decided against Duke, Georgetown, GWU, USC, and a bunch more. Chicago and Boalt decided against me.

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 18, 2007, 12:59:27 PM
Hey all! I'm going to be starting in the fall at either Michigan, UCLA, or Columbia (wait-listed--but fingers crossed). Anyone here likely to be at one of those schools?

I Decided against Duke, Georgetown, GWU, USC, and a bunch more. Chicago and Boalt decided against me.



OMG! COME TO MICHIGAN!!! Did you visit? Outlaws kicks ass there. Plus at least a few LGBT LSDers will be there this fall. :)



yeh, basically every gay person on here that didnt get into HYS (ahem- Mike) is going to michigan, and for good reason: Its amazing.  Come with us ;)


I have to agree, it is amazing.  And not only are the Outlaws wonderful, so is the rest of the graduate student population.  I visited a pysch phd friend there, who introduced me to lawyers, doctors, psychs, mbas, and communications people.  Everyone was wonderful, and though I love Chicago/NYC/DC/SF, AA was just as fun as any other experience I've had with the gays. Oh, I guess Michigan is a pretty good school too.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 18, 2007, 01:59:29 PM
Hey all! I'm going to be starting in the fall at either Michigan, UCLA, or Columbia (wait-listed--but fingers crossed). Anyone here likely to be at one of those schools?

I Decided against Duke, Georgetown, GWU, USC, and a bunch more. Chicago and Boalt decided against me.



OMG! COME TO MICHIGAN!!! Did you visit? Outlaws kicks ass there. Plus at least a few LGBT LSDers will be there this fall. :)



yeh, basically every gay person on here that didnt get into HYS (ahem- Mike) is going to michigan, and for good reason: Its amazing.  Come with us ;)


Hey what am i, chopped liver? Besides you know that if you get into Penn you'll be there.  :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on April 18, 2007, 02:40:14 PM



yeh, basically every gay person on here that didnt get into HYS (ahem- Mike) is going to michigan, and for good reason: Its amazing.  Come with us ;)


I feel marginalized!

::prays for a Michigan WL call::
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 18, 2007, 04:03:33 PM
Hey all! I'm going to be starting in the fall at either Michigan, UCLA, or Columbia (wait-listed--but fingers crossed). Anyone here likely to be at one of those schools?

I Decided against Duke, Georgetown, GWU, USC, and a bunch more. Chicago and Boalt decided against me.



OMG! COME TO MICHIGAN!!! Did you visit? Outlaws kicks ass there. Plus at least a few LGBT LSDers will be there this fall. :)



yeh, basically every gay person on here that didnt get into HYS (ahem- Mike) is going to michigan, and for good reason: Its amazing.  Come with us ;)


I have to agree, it is amazing.  And not only are the Outlaws wonderful, so is the rest of the graduate student population.  I visited a pysch phd friend there, who introduced me to lawyers, doctors, psychs, mbas, and communications people.  Everyone was wonderful, and though I love Chicago/NYC/DC/SF, AA was just as fun as any other experience I've had with the gays. Oh, I guess Michigan is a pretty good school too.

Does that mean you'll be coming in with us if/when you get in off the WL??? ;)

It depends on what day you ask me.  I'll be stoked at GW, NU, Michigan or Penn.  I can't lose here.  Penn is the best program for me, but NU/Michigan would be way more fun.  I wish DC weren't so damn expensive.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 18, 2007, 09:03:55 PM
Washington  :)
Woot woot! :D Hey Sax, let's jabber on and on about how cool DC is and how all the gay people who didn't get into HYS are going to DC. Yeah.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 18, 2007, 09:21:04 PM
Washington  :)
Woot woot! :D Hey Sax, let's jabber on and on about how cool DC is and how all the gay people who didn't get into HYS are going to DC. Yeah.


haha ok you know i didnt mean it like that, right kates???




dont wanna get a rep as a prick!

Hey Sax, did you hear something?? I know all the gay people are in DC, so I don't know who this outlier is or what he's saying!





Just kidding Bouzie, of course!  ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 18, 2007, 09:40:08 PM
Quail is Cornell bound.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: slacker on April 18, 2007, 09:56:00 PM
"I don't want tolerance; I want equality." - Martina Navratilova at the GLAAD awards.

To all the 0Ls: Make waves and enjoy doing it.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 19, 2007, 05:14:02 AM
So, are you totally decided, contiki?  Congrats!  We will miss you!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 19, 2007, 05:51:00 AM
So, are you totally decided, contiki?  Congrats!  We will miss you!

Yup yup. I'm happy with my decision although I'll miss the Mich people.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on April 19, 2007, 10:46:08 AM
Well, you can add one more to the Penn list!  My boyfriend and I decided yesterday on Penn (unless a miracle happens and we get into Harvard--we're expecting a WL or a ding, though, which is why we're basically decided on Penn).  My boyfriend likely won't be starting until the fall of 12, though, because of Teach for America. 

Yay for Penn! 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: sillyberry on April 19, 2007, 12:41:03 PM
Well, you can add one more to the Penn list!  My boyfriend and I decided yesterday on Penn (unless a miracle happens and we get into Harvard--we're expecting a WL or a ding, though, which is why we're basically decided on Penn).  My boyfriend likely won't be starting until the fall of 12, though, because of Teach for America. 

Yay for Penn! 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

You were supposed to be my lover in Chicago!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm devastated.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 19, 2007, 12:45:09 PM
Well, you can add one more to the Penn list!  My boyfriend and I decided yesterday on Penn (unless a miracle happens and we get into Harvard--we're expecting a WL or a ding, though, which is why we're basically decided on Penn).  My boyfriend likely won't be starting until the fall of 12, though, because of Teach for America. 

Yay for Penn! 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

You were supposed to be my lover in Chicago!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm devastated.

I applaud their decision.  ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on April 19, 2007, 05:01:32 PM
Another non-mich person representing...

I decided to defer at GWU for Teach for America... Too bad my scholarship doesn't get deferred right along with it.


Topher, is the bf in Philly for teach for america?  I'll be in Chicago for my two years, but if he is in Philadelphia we'd be at the same institute.
 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: sillyberry on April 19, 2007, 07:02:20 PM
Well, you can add one more to the Penn list!  My boyfriend and I decided yesterday on Penn (unless a miracle happens and we get into Harvard--we're expecting a WL or a ding, though, which is why we're basically decided on Penn).  My boyfriend likely won't be starting until the fall of 12, though, because of Teach for America. 

Yay for Penn! 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

You were supposed to be my lover in Chicago!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm devastated.

Hey SB! You know, we are in the LGBT thread, this means you should probably be hitting on me right now...

CD, you are a bodacious hottie and I can't wait to dance up on you at Aut Bar every time I visit A2.

How's that?   :-*
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 20, 2007, 06:19:20 AM
Wow, I feel just like a general on the battlefield.

 :D

Also, DC is huge and Ann Arbor is small - we have way more LSD gays per capita and per square mile!

OK ok I'm done


hahah and I count 3 --- plus quail off the WL....then your former roomie from ASW 2, plus the cool chick we hung out with at the outlaws party.....thats 5 awesome gays already and I havent even met 90% of the class ;)

Well, then. Penn has 5 already; me, plus topher and bf, plus two others from ASW that were ED. And our class is smaller... so we match Mich in numbers and surpass it in %age of class. Could be 6 in a couple of weeks when you are off the WL.  ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on April 20, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
Sorry MaroonBerry!  When you think of me, and I know you won't, but if you do, (long, dramatic pause)--think of me fondly  :'(.

Way to represent, Contiki!  Penn is WAY gayer than Mich!  They put on an actual musical every year.  Last year, it was Into the Woods.   :P
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 20, 2007, 08:04:50 AM
Sorry MaroonBerry!  When you think of me, and I know you won't, but if you do, (long, dramatic pause)--think of me fondly  :'(.

Way to represent, Contiki!  Penn is WAY gayer than Mich!  They put on an actual musical every year.  Last year, it was Into the Woods.   :P


ok that's TOO gay... going to the bday extravaganza in Mich now. lol

i kid i kid, although I migth wanna go visit for sure (that ok CD?)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 20, 2007, 08:26:00 AM
Sorry MaroonBerry!  When you think of me, and I know you won't, but if you do, (long, dramatic pause)--think of me fondly  :'(.

Way to represent, Contiki!  Penn is WAY gayer than Mich!  They put on an actual musical every year.  Last year, it was Into the Woods.   :P


ok that's TOO gay... going to the bday extravaganza in Mich now. lol

i kid i kid, although I migth wanna go visit for sure (that ok CD?)


'tiki, your invitation to our bday party was implied, you silly goose ;)


and I think you may be right-  I think Penn is an incredibly gay establishment.

 You get the preppy Ivy gays
 We get the blue collar public school gays 

;)

Haha I'm both preppy Ivy and blue collar public, cwazy me. I'll miss Aut Bar that's for sure.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 20, 2007, 08:51:55 AM
I think its time for a gay update


Michigan
Chasing Daylight
Bouzie

cornell
quail!

Penn
Contiki

American
Kates

Catholic
Saxby

GULC
Watifah or whatever the hell he calls himself these days


ok you're right you've got us beat-- but Im calling Quail! as Michigan off the WL ;)

Put me down as GW for now.  Us DC folk are going to have to play often.  I didn't get a chance to really check out the scene while I was there.  Or, I should say, don't recall any of it clearly.  Any comments, other than it is awesome?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on April 20, 2007, 09:00:47 AM
Sorry MaroonBerry!  When you think of me, and I know you won't, but if you do, (long, dramatic pause)--think of me fondly  :'(.

Way to represent, Contiki!  Penn is WAY gayer than Mich!  They put on an actual musical every year.  Last year, it was Into the Woods.   :P


I hope you get into HLS.  We could use some more theater gays.  (Last year, our fall musical was The Wild Party.) (I'm the guy who was randomly in Philly during Penn's admit days.)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on April 20, 2007, 09:11:14 AM
Absy:  Gotcha.  For a second, I was like, "Who in hell is this guy?"  Now I remember.  Don't be too upset: I was slightly drunk :-).  Well, here's a crazy idea that just might work.  You go tell T.Stock that you need more theatre gays (for diversity's sake--you know, all the gays there are boring, vanilla, etc :-)), then direct him to my post, and we're sure to get in, no problem!  We'd love to have HLS as an option, but we're really expecting a rejection or waitlist sometime soon.   It's taking FOREVER there. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on April 20, 2007, 09:54:29 AM
hehe, I'll see what I can do.  I don't fully understand their process, but it does seem like things are dragging a bit right now (partly because they've been really busy preparing the admit weekends).  you've already got a great option with Penn, so it's hard to fret too much, right?



Absy:  Gotcha.  For a second, I was like, "Who in hell is this guy?"  Now I remember.  Don't be too upset: I was slightly drunk :-).  Well, here's a crazy idea that just might work.  You go tell T.Stock that you need more theatre gays (for diversity's sake--you know, all the gays there are boring, vanilla, etc :-)), then direct him to my post, and we're sure to get in, no problem!  We'd love to have HLS as an option, but we're really expecting a rejection or waitlist sometime soon.   It's taking FOREVER there. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LetsGetEm on April 20, 2007, 10:46:32 AM
I think its time for a gay update


Michigan
Chasing Daylight
Bouzie

cornell
quail!

Penn
Contiki

American
Kates

Catholic
Saxby

GULC
Watifah or whatever the hell he calls himself these days


ok you're right you've got us beat-- but Im calling Quail! as Michigan off the WL ;)

Put me down as GW for now.  Us DC folk are going to have to play often.  I didn't get a chance to really check out the scene while I was there.  Or, I should say, don't recall any of it clearly.  Any comments, other than it is awesome?


Add me to Michigan I suppose... IT HAD BETTER BE AN AMAZING FIRST YEAR
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: sillyberry on April 20, 2007, 11:20:01 AM
Sorry MaroonBerry!  When you think of me, and I know you won't, but if you do, (long, dramatic pause)--think of me fondly  :'(.

I will think of you every time I look in the mirror and see my air hockey mallet scar.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 20, 2007, 12:25:28 PM
Where the Gays/Allies are  going:
The University of Chicago Gay Maroons
Maroonberry

I feel like being listed as a Gay Maroon is severely going to decrease my chances of finding a husband...

Who would want a husband who doesn't love the idea of gay maroon?!?   :P



Bouzie, you are awesome!  I might have to join your fan club.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 20, 2007, 01:06:29 PM
awww, shucks ;)

Damn, you are gonna apparently have a following in Mich, u should charge n create merchandise.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: flyaway on April 20, 2007, 03:06:43 PM
Awww, so I'm an official Gay Ally?  Wooo!  Thanks, Bouzie!

Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on April 20, 2007, 03:12:51 PM
Where the Gays/Allies are  going:


The George Washington University Gay Colonials:
Bridget
DruJoe



The Colonials?! ew...  haha, guess I should have done my mascot research before deferring.  oh well, must not be that important to them if it's not all over their materials.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 20, 2007, 03:58:39 PM
And in addition to having DC, we have the CAPITAL LGBT LAW STUDENT CONSORTIUM, within which gay law students from ALL OVER DC meet up for social events, lobbying, networking, bla bla bla, anything else you can think of! In sheer numbers we probably have more gays in the Consortium than the entire state of Michigan! PWNED!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 20, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
I think Gay Eagle is very subversive. I like.  :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stacy on April 20, 2007, 04:55:36 PM
there are other queer law students in michigan, too!  UM outlaws had a bar night with Wayne State's gays this fall, and a friend of a friend just became the head of Detroit Mercy's GLBT group so hopefully we'll do stuff with them next year too. 

plus, UM has a ton of grad students in lots of different fields, so there are people to hang out with and NOT talk about law.  which is lovely. I never even want to think about law again, let alone talk about it.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 20, 2007, 07:53:04 PM
whoa i thought gay = happy and nice
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 20, 2007, 08:00:09 PM
haha good  ;D
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: mohnblume on April 20, 2007, 08:30:43 PM
Please put me down for GULC.... go DC!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 20, 2007, 08:56:13 PM
btw- hope you dont catch this spirit on UNcollegiailty [yup i can make up words] that seems to be spreading throughout the DC gays.

Blargh! We just got tired of talking about Michigan and REVOLTED! Vive la revolution!!  ;D

(PS, I kid too!)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on April 20, 2007, 10:01:27 PM
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/466746547_93c45e21aa.jpg)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on April 20, 2007, 10:09:10 PM
I blame the Internet for forever associating the sight of kittens with this tagline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Every_time_you_masturbate..._God_kills_a_kitten). How many kittens has this flirtatious thread killed already? ;)

Can I gay up the total at GW? I aim to please.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 21, 2007, 11:30:00 AM
damn you, dc gays! you just keep on showing up!

We're like rabbits... cute and multiplying rapidly.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 21, 2007, 01:02:30 PM
Because we're so hot we are attractive mating partners and thus are favored by natural selection.


uhmmmmm you're all gay , I dont think that argument holds ;)

Details...
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 22, 2007, 09:15:21 AM
Yay!  ;D

Bakc home they're debating civil unions but the chair of the judiciary in the senate is an a**hole and it doesnt seem likely to pass right now.  :-[
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: bridget on April 23, 2007, 05:55:38 PM
In the vein of recent queer news, this is related.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/18/national/main2699800.shtml

The follow up:  I read somewhere that he was offered time on a radio show in exchange for not protesting and he took it, but I can't find confirmation of that.

[/PSA]
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 23, 2007, 08:02:34 PM
Yay!  ;D

Bakc home they're debating civil unions but the chair of the judiciary in the senate is an a**hole and it doesnt seem likely to pass right now.  :-[


'Tiki- where is 'back home'?

Bridget- I stopped paying attention to phelps long ago. The guy is just %$*&ing nuts.  He makes Jerry Falwell look like Nancy Pelosi.

Back home is PR. Sad news, the major newspaper surveyed and 82% of people oppose civil unions, 59% support a constitutional marriage ban.  :'(
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 23, 2007, 08:09:50 PM
Yay!  ;D

Bakc home they're debating civil unions but the chair of the judiciary in the senate is an a**hole and it doesnt seem likely to pass right now.  :-[


'Tiki- where is 'back home'?

Bridget- I stopped paying attention to phelps long ago. The guy is just %$*&ing nuts.  He makes Jerry Falwell look like Nancy Pelosi.

Back home is PR. Sad news, the major newspaper surveyed and 82% of people oppose civil unions, 59% support a constitutional marriage ban.  :'(


Time will change things--as will a ridiculously talented group of LGBT lawyers.  dont fret.

At least the northeast is becoming gay mecca, Mass has marriage, NY is considering marriage (Spitzer is introducing it), NH is about to approve civil unions, VT, NJ and CT already have civil unions, and CT is considering approving marriage as well.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on April 23, 2007, 08:12:33 PM
Yay!  ;D

Bakc home they're debating civil unions but the chair of the judiciary in the senate is an a**hole and it doesnt seem likely to pass right now.  :-[
My home too (Rhode Island) is in a similar situation. The legislature just can't get the bills past the speaker. In the meantime, we're kind of there -- you can get married in Mass and have it recognized in RI. No other state can do that. It sometimes feels like that means more progress and sometimes feels like less progress than civil union states. Most of the time, less progress, since RI hasn't really done anything... we're just one of the states with gender-neutral terms codified in old laws.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 24, 2007, 02:21:46 PM
Yay!  ;D

Bakc home they're debating civil unions but the chair of the judiciary in the senate is an a**hole and it doesnt seem likely to pass right now.  :-[
My home too (Rhode Island) is in a similar situation. The legislature just can't get the bills past the speaker. In the meantime, we're kind of there -- you can get married in Mass and have it recognized in RI. No other state can do that. It sometimes feels like that means more progress and sometimes feels like less progress than civil union states. Most of the time, less progress, since RI hasn't really done anything... we're just one of the states with gender-neutral terms codified in old laws.

While it may be an accident, that is a very fortunate one.  I really wish the midwest would get its act together and start making headway on this front.  Does anyone have a sense of where ENDA is right now with the new congress?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 24, 2007, 02:32:48 PM
Yay!  ;D

Bakc home they're debating civil unions but the chair of the judiciary in the senate is an a**hole and it doesnt seem likely to pass right now.  :-[
My home too (Rhode Island) is in a similar situation. The legislature just can't get the bills past the speaker. In the meantime, we're kind of there -- you can get married in Mass and have it recognized in RI. No other state can do that. It sometimes feels like that means more progress and sometimes feels like less progress than civil union states. Most of the time, less progress, since RI hasn't really done anything... we're just one of the states with gender-neutral terms codified in old laws.

While it may be an accident, that is a very fortunate one.  I really wish the midwest would get its act together and start making headway on this front.  Does anyone have a sense of where ENDA is right now with the new congress?

It has not been reintroduced since the 108th Congress under that name, although apparently it was reintroduced in '04 for the 109th but I couldn't find it on THOMAS (Lib of Congress). Not introduced in 110th yet.

And the bastard just introduced the gay marriage ban constitutional amendment bill.  :-\ Seems the newspaper is critical and many civil rights group mobilized in a matter of minutes.
http://www.endi.com/noticia/politica/noticias/presentan_controvertible_medida/202467 (its in spanish)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on April 24, 2007, 03:08:41 PM
http://365gay.com/Newscon07/04/042407enda.htm

your timing is excellent
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 25, 2007, 10:56:16 AM
http://365gay.com/Newscon07/04/042407enda.htm

your timing is excellent

It's about time!  :D
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 26, 2007, 12:03:36 PM
NH Senate passed the civil unions today! The Gov. already said he would sign it.  :)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-NY-Civil-Unions.html?hp
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 26, 2007, 02:15:34 PM
NH Senate passed the civil unions today! The Gov. already said he would sign it.  :)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-NY-Civil-Unions.html?hp

It doesn't even make CNN.com, chicagotribune.com, latimes.com, or sfgate.com.  nytimes.com, washingtonpost.com, and foxnews.com carry it on the front page.  I can't tell if that is good or bad.  On the one hand, it clearly lacks a shock factor.  Still, it is the first (I think) instance of legislation passing without a court considering/deciding a case on SSM.    It should be all over the place.  I like what state Sen. Joe Foster had to say: "We do so today because it is the right thing to do."  That's refreshing. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 26, 2007, 03:25:23 PM
NH Senate passed the civil unions today! The Gov. already said he would sign it.  :)

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-NY-Civil-Unions.html?hp

It doesn't even make CNN.com, chicagotribune.com, latimes.com, or sfgate.com.  nytimes.com, washingtonpost.com, and foxnews.com carry it on the front page.  I can't tell if that is good or bad.  On the one hand, it clearly lacks a shock factor.  Still, it is the first (I think) instance of legislation passing without a court considering/deciding a case on SSM.    It should be all over the place.  I like what state Sen. Joe Foster had to say: "We do so today because it is the right thing to do."  That's refreshing. 

Im not sure its a bad thing, It's kinda nice that this isnt as controversial as it once was- remember the vermont brouhaha?????-


This leaves Maine as the only new england state without recognition of same-sex relationships.  Things have been going steadidly downhill up there since they separated from Mass in 1820.

No, I'm definitely glad to see that there isn't a lot of negative/blacklash press.  But at the same time, I would like for the average resident outside the NE to know that attempts to get same-sex relationship recognition is alive and successful. Just wishful thinking I suppose.  Or maybe I just like a good excuse to celebrate.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on April 26, 2007, 08:08:40 PM
This leaves Maine as the only new england state without recognition of same-sex relationships.  Things have been going steadidly downhill up there since they separated from Mass in 1820.
Not true -- Maine recognizes domestic partnerships. Limited (http://www.hrc.org/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=27577&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm), but "without recognition" isn't accurate.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: stillbluewolverine on April 27, 2007, 07:52:14 AM
Add one more to the "Going to Michigan" list.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: topher on April 27, 2007, 10:05:22 AM
MP:  Awww.  Sorry bout that!  You and Maroonberry will have to have a drink to honor our memory.  And I'm sure that we'll be in Chicago sometime soon.  We LOVE the city.  You will too, I'm sure.  I think that the Lavender Conference is there this fall, and I bet that we'll come.  So, we'll have to hook up then.  Heh.  I said hook up.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on April 27, 2007, 10:38:14 AM
I've also finally decided: Stanford Law Schoool! :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 27, 2007, 12:19:30 PM
I've also finally decided: Stanford Law Schoool! :)


YAY!!! And the star LSDer decides!

Congrats Mike!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 27, 2007, 12:20:26 PM
Oh and totally random but this has been a busy LGBT week. Spitzer introduced the gay marriage bill for NY today!!! woot!!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 27, 2007, 01:18:15 PM
Oh and totally random but this has been a busy LGBT week. Spitxer introduced the gay marriage bill for NY today!!! woot!!

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iii!  Even though he said it won't pass, cheers to putting the legislation out there!

I've also finally decided: Stanford Law Schoool! :)

Congrats!  Now it is time to relax for you. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on April 27, 2007, 03:40:29 PM
I really like this article:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oldmike26apr26,0,2709943.story?track=mostviewed-homepage (http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oldmike26apr26,0,2709943.story?track=mostviewed-homepage)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on April 29, 2007, 08:17:13 AM
I've also finally decided: Stanford Law Schoool! :)

:( :( :( :(

What's with the frowns?

She wanted him in New Haven.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 1654134681665465 on May 03, 2007, 02:41:41 PM
What law schools are the most or least accepting of LGBT? 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on May 03, 2007, 05:30:14 PM
Michigan clearly goes for quantity over quality.  ;)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 1654134681665465 on May 03, 2007, 08:13:00 PM
Wait, Tim... you go to BYU??? (LSN)  How has that worked out for you?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: darlinalexi on May 09, 2007, 08:07:33 PM
anyone know how gay friendly pace or cuny are?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on May 09, 2007, 08:59:38 PM
anyone know how gay friendly pace or cuny are?

They're in downstate NY; Im sure youll be fineeeeeeeee ;)

Ok now the post makes sense.  :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on May 09, 2007, 09:06:26 PM
anyone know how gay friendly pace or cuny are?

They're in downstate NY; Im sure youll be fineeeeeeeee ;)

Ok now the post makes sense.  :)


Point well-taken ;)

ALSO im thinking that we all need to go to the lgbt law career fair thing before our 2L --- I forget who its affiliated with--- I know that the conference in Chicago this year and that MoFo was recruiting there.   

We could put aside our Michigan/DC/Penn/other school differences and unite and become a gigantic group of the homosexualelite ;)

OMG just knowing the people at Mich I know that would be one hell of a conference! I'm in.

PS Bouzie if Penn were to call you tomorrow would you still give it the slightest consideration?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on May 09, 2007, 09:14:16 PM
No info, just wondering since there is some WL movement around a bunch of schools. I could hand deliver your LOCI on Monday when I visit. I'll be apt searching, sooooo excited!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on May 09, 2007, 09:22:20 PM
No info, just wondering since there is some WL movement around a bunch of schools. I could hand deliver your LOCI on Monday when I visit. I'll be apt searching, sooooo excited!


awwww thanks, I dont think my interest is continued though.  If I put SA through anymore indecision drama she may actually murder me:  I hope you've all learned a lesson and never sign a lease with me.

I was in philly last week and likey the city a lot, which is saying a lot since I previously thought that I hated it-- turns out I just wasnt giving it a chance.  Good luck finding and apt- are you living alone or with roomies???



Latifah-- MoFo = Morrison Foerreser--- a very lgbt friendly biglaw firm in SF.

SA stressed? That I would love to see. I have two roomies both gals, I'm quite excited. I think you should draft the letter just to see, besides Philly is the city of Brotherly Love how more gay can you get?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on May 09, 2007, 09:29:19 PM
No info, just wondering since there is some WL movement around a bunch of schools. I could hand deliver your LOCI on Monday when I visit. I'll be apt searching, sooooo excited!


awwww thanks, I dont think my interest is continued though.  If I put SA through anymore indecision drama she may actually murder me:  I hope you've all learned a lesson and never sign a lease with me.

I was in philly last week and likey the city a lot, which is saying a lot since I previously thought that I hated it-- turns out I just wasnt giving it a chance.  Good luck finding and apt- are you living alone or with roomies???



Latifah-- MoFo = Morrison Foerreser--- a very lgbt friendly biglaw firm in SF.

SA stressed? That I would love to see. I have two roomies both gals, I'm quite excited. I think you should draft the letter just to see, besides Philly is the city of Brotherly Love how more gay can you get?


michigan!  though I remember being really impressed by Penn's Outlaws site.  Still though I think ann arbor must win out in gays per capita


also, how cool are we, both rooming with two girls?  Im so ridiculously excited about my living situation.   

I know I'm too ridiculously excited about it. Ummm I think Penn wins the per capita (~7/240, that I know of) and Mich wins the total (?/370).
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on May 09, 2007, 09:39:00 PM
No info, just wondering since there is some WL movement around a bunch of schools. I could hand deliver your LOCI on Monday when I visit. I'll be apt searching, sooooo excited!


awwww thanks, I dont think my interest is continued though.  If I put SA through anymore indecision drama she may actually murder me:  I hope you've all learned a lesson and never sign a lease with me.

I was in philly last week and likey the city a lot, which is saying a lot since I previously thought that I hated it-- turns out I just wasnt giving it a chance.  Good luck finding and apt- are you living alone or with roomies???



Latifah-- MoFo = Morrison Foerreser--- a very lgbt friendly biglaw firm in SF.

SA stressed? That I would love to see. I have two roomies both gals, I'm quite excited. I think you should draft the letter just to see, besides Philly is the city of Brotherly Love how more gay can you get?


michigan!  though I remember being really impressed by Penn's Outlaws site.  Still though I think ann arbor must win out in gays per capita


also, how cool are we, both rooming with two girls?  Im so ridiculously excited about my living situation.   

I know I'm too ridiculously excited about it. Ummm I think Penn wins the per capita (~7/240, that I know of) and Mich wins the total (?/370).


Clearly we need to have Michigan-Penn gay mixers if you guys are willing to slum it with the public school kids.  Power couples in the making,,,


(i have a feeling that our 1L class could beat you out per capita.  I guess we'll see in a few months!)

Since I am from the ONLY real Public Ivy Cornell (got that posers *cough*UVA*cough*), I am completely down with that. We should start organizing it.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 'tiki on May 09, 2007, 11:54:36 PM
No info, just wondering since there is some WL movement around a bunch of schools. I could hand deliver your LOCI on Monday when I visit. I'll be apt searching, sooooo excited!


awwww thanks, I dont think my interest is continued though.  If I put SA through anymore indecision drama she may will actually put me through the most painful torture imaginable and then murder me:  I hope you've all learned a lesson and never sign a lease with me.

I was in philly last week and likey the city a lot, which is saying a lot since I previously thought that I hated it-- turns out I just wasnt giving it a chance.  Good luck finding and apt- are you living alone or with roomies???



Latifah-- MoFo = Morrison Foerreser--- a very lgbt friendly biglaw firm in SF.

Corrected  :P

I keed! I keed!

Sarah!!! I miss you.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on May 10, 2007, 01:40:33 PM
MoFo = Morrison Foerreser--- a very lgbt friendly biglaw firm in SF.

Is there a list of LGBT-friendly law firms?  I've heard that Orrick is too, but I'm wondering what other LGBT-friendly law firms are out there.  Also, I don't think Orrick recruits at Lavender Law.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 10, 2007, 02:12:46 PM
I've looked casually a few times before, but never came up with anything substantive.  I have the impression at firms it is much more about who you work with rather than the firm as a whole that truly defines the experience.  For what it is worth, here are the firms recruiting at Lavender Law this fall.

http://www.lavenderlaw.org/career.fair.html (http://www.lavenderlaw.org/career.fair.html)

While this is a good indicator of which firms are gay friendly, there are big differences out there.  I work at one of the firms listed.  While the climate is generally supportive here, they do not go above and beyond to make the LGBT attorneys (and definitely not staff) feel especially welcome.  At the same time, I've heard K&E does either annual or quarterly meetings for the LGBT attorneys, and will fly them to a different location each time for networking/mentoring/socializing.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on May 10, 2007, 03:22:29 PM
MoFo = Morrison Foerreser--- a very lgbt friendly biglaw firm in SF.

Is there a list of LGBT-friendly law firms?  I've heard that Orrick is too, but I'm wondering what other LGBT-friendly law firms are out there.  Also, I don't think Orrick recruits at Lavender Law.

Mike-- Vault does a top 20 or top 50 ranking.  Havent heard anything about how reliable it is but at least its a good starting point. 

Hope to meet you at Lavender next year!  Sounds like a good networking opportunity if nothing else. I wonder how many people get call backs/offers from firms at lavender

Thanks, Bouzie!  I'll definitely try to be there for next year's conference.  We can try for an LSD get-together.  The career fair is a good opportunity, but I don't think that you will need it in order to get an interview. UMich students have more than enough job opportunities. :)  It seems like the timing of Lavender Law makes it a bit inconvenient: 1Ls who attend can't give out their resumes yet, but 2Ls will most likely have already gone through OCI by the time the conference rolls around.  Maybe it's geared towards those students who either didn't have much success with OCI or are looking for additional contacts and opportunities?  Nevertheless, it sounds like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 10, 2007, 03:47:58 PM

Thanks, Bouzie!  I'll definitely try to be there for next year's conference.  We can try for an LSD get-together.  The career fair is a good opportunity, but I don't think that you will need it in order to get an interview. UMich students have more than enough job opportunities. :)  It seems like the timing of Lavender Law makes it a bit inconvenient: 1Ls who attend can't give out their resumes yet, but 2Ls will most likely have already gone through OCI by the time the conference rolls around.  Maybe it's geared towards those students who either didn't have much success with OCI or are looking for additional contacts and opportunities?  Nevertheless, it sounds like a lot of fun.

If anyone has seen the Vault list, I'd like to know the methodology.  Very interesting.

I was surprised to see the the first weekend of September as the date.  I'm not sure how keen I will be on attending if it means missing a bunch of school in the first couple weeks.  Still, it has got to be a fun time.  We should convince them to move it to Spring.  Spring is way more fun than Fall. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 10, 2007, 04:30:59 PM

Thanks, Bouzie!  I'll definitely try to be there for next year's conference.  We can try for an LSD get-together.  The career fair is a good opportunity, but I don't think that you will need it in order to get an interview. UMich students have more than enough job opportunities. :)  It seems like the timing of Lavender Law makes it a bit inconvenient: 1Ls who attend can't give out their resumes yet, but 2Ls will most likely have already gone through OCI by the time the conference rolls around.  Maybe it's geared towards those students who either didn't have much success with OCI or are looking for additional contacts and opportunities?  Nevertheless, it sounds like a lot of fun.

If anyone has seen the Vault list, I'd like to know the methodology.  Very interesting.

I was surprised to see the the first weekend of September as the date.  I'm not sure how keen I will be on attending if it means missing a bunch of school in the first couple weeks.  Still, it has got to be a fun time.  We should convince them to move it to Spring.  Spring is way more fun than Fall. 


Dru-  do you know if 1Ls are able to participate?  I can't imagine employers would be too interested in us with our 13 days of law school experience.  The website seems to offer more info for employers than students.

I cannot imagine they would deny a student entry.  I would contact Outlaws or Dean Z. and see the feasibility of getting in with the other Michigan folks.  They would know best.  The only catch is the whole Dec 1st restriction on 1L job searches.  So you couldn't submit resumes maybe, but could network?  I'm not sure. 

Still, very few firms hire 1Ls for summer.  nalpdirecotry.com (http://nalpdirecotry.com) has a search function on who hires 1ls.  More than anything else, it would be a good time to network and lay the groundwork for the winter job search.  If you are interested in the firm life and can connect with a partner before the job search, it will go a long way.  Set up a couple lunches or phone interviews, contact them again shortly before OCI so they can leave encouraging words on your resume.  Even if you want to go public interest, I would guess the attorneys attending the conference have a strong network of friends. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on May 11, 2007, 09:07:45 AM
I went to LavLaw the past two years, and it's a fun time.  My 1L year it was in late October, so there wasn't the same concern about 1Ls going at the beginning of the year.  As for 1Ls talking with employers, it varies from school to school about how they interpret the restriction.  Some schools forbid their 1Ls from going to the job fair portion.  I went to get information and just couldn't give out resumes.  I've networked with several attorneys I've stayed in touch with.

As for 2L year, HLS does OCI late, so it comes before our interviews.  A lot of the firms are more focused on giving out information, but they do give some callbacks from the job fair. 

The rest of the conference is great too.  My 1L year it was in San Diego, and I think it snowed in Boston while I was gone.  I was poolside with a margarita.

I know that this past year, our dean of students wouldn't let us take 1Ls because it was the first weekend of classes.  Well, they wouldn't pay for 1Ls to go; I'm sure they could have gone on their own.  The date move was a good idea for the 2Ls who are looking to get something out of the job fair.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on May 11, 2007, 11:18:56 AM
Thanks, Absy!  BTW, it was nice meeting you at the HLS student fair back in March!  Were you able to sign up for the LGBT mailing list?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 11, 2007, 01:51:54 PM
Absy- Thanks !

I third!  Out of curiousity, Absy, what are you doing this summer?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on May 11, 2007, 07:25:03 PM
It was nice meeting you as well.  And thanks for the information.  I signed up for the list, and I'm going to the event on Wednesday.  Maybe I'll see you around this summer.

I'll be working for Heller Ehrman in SF, then heading back to LeBoeuf Lamb in NY (firm from last summer).  But the thing I love talking about is that I'm taking next year off to travel.  I'm really looking forward to the next year or so.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 12, 2007, 12:36:51 PM
It was nice meeting you as well.  And thanks for the information.  I signed up for the list, and I'm going to the event on Wednesday.  Maybe I'll see you around this summer.

I'll be working for Heller Ehrman in SF, then heading back to LeBoeuf Lamb in NY (firm from last summer).  But the thing I love talking about is that I'm taking next year off to travel.  I'm really looking forward to the next year or so.

Nice!  Travel is the best. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 16, 2007, 11:10:15 AM
NU rejection came today.  I've been so excited for GW for so long, I've decided to definitely go there.  I withdrew from the Penn and Michigan waitlists, which was slightly painful to do.  But now that it is done, I feel great.

I get to DC in August.  The DC folks should hang out before classes hamper our social lives.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: rsieg10 on May 16, 2007, 11:22:27 AM
Any LGBT-ers heading to St. Louis?  Anyone, anyone?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on May 16, 2007, 11:59:36 AM
So! What can anyone tell me about LGBT life at Harvard? I am pretty sure Mike had visited there, so if you are around, I'd really appreciate your comments.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 16, 2007, 12:47:40 PM
NU rejection came today.  I've been so excited for GW for so long, I've decided to definitely go there.  I withdrew from the Penn and Michigan waitlists, which was slightly painful to do.  But now that it is done, I feel great.

I get to DC in August.  The DC folks should hang out before classes hamper our social lives.

Fabulous!

How many DCers does that make?  Looks like it's time to update your list, Bouzie.

sorry- i totally slacked on the list, I think dru was down for DC anyway, though.


also, congrats on harvard ersatz.  ;D


Dru- Congrats on deciding! ;D
(for the record, Northwestern SUCKSSSSSSSSS!!!!!  no I'm not bitter....)

Hahahah, thanks!  I'm on cloud nine again.  At least you didn't have the *cough* pleasure of being strung along for four months. 

And yeah, I had already been placed on the DC list.  Wiiiiiiiiiiii!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on May 16, 2007, 01:27:48 PM
NU rejection came today.  I've been so excited for GW for so long, I've decided to definitely go there.  I withdrew from the Penn and Michigan waitlists, which was slightly painful to do.  But now that it is done, I feel great.

I get to DC in August.  The DC folks should hang out before classes hamper our social lives.

Fabulous!

How many DCers does that make?  Looks like it's time to update your list, Bouzie.

sorry- i totally slacked on the list, I think dru was down for DC anyway, though.


also, congrats on harvard ersatz.  ;D


Dru- Congrats on deciding! ;D
(for the record, Northwestern SUCKSSSSSSSSS!!!!!  no I'm not bitter....)

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on May 16, 2007, 09:53:19 PM
So! What can anyone tell me about LGBT life at Harvard? I am pretty sure Mike had visited there, so if you are around, I'd really appreciate your comments.

Congrats on Harvard, Ersatz!  Absy (and, to some extent, lyquidmyrrrh) are probably more qualified to talk about the LGBT atmosphere at Harvard, but I'll throw in my two cents.  Harvard seems to be a pretty great place to be gay.  I brought my bf to the admit weekend, and didn't feel awkward at all.  One of the faculty-guided discussions addressed the constitutionality of gay marriage and domestic partnership benefits, and the whole crowd seemed really progressive and pro-gay rights.  The Lambda Law group seems to have a pretty strong presence on campus, and they have a pretty large membership.  And, of course, Boston/Cambridge is a pretty gay-friendly city.  It's not quite as gay at the SF Bay Area, but close.

Good luck on your decision!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on May 16, 2007, 11:28:13 PM
So! What can anyone tell me about LGBT life at Harvard? I am pretty sure Mike had visited there, so if you are around, I'd really appreciate your comments.

Congrats on Harvard, Ersatz!  Absy (and, to some extent, lyquidmyrrrh) are probably more qualified to talk about the LGBT atmosphere at Harvard, but I'll throw in my two cents.  Harvard seems to be a pretty great place to be gay.  I brought my bf to the admit weekend, and didn't feel awkward at all.  One of the faculty-guided discussions addressed the constitutionality of gay marriage and domestic partnership benefits, and the whole crowd seemed really progressive and pro-gay rights.  The Lambda Law group seems to have a pretty strong presence on campus, and they have a pretty large membership.  And, of course, Boston/Cambridge is a pretty gay-friendly city.  It's not quite as gay at the SF Bay Area, but close.

Good luck on your decision!

Thanks, Mike - I'm definitely glad to hear you say that. Appreciate your response! Absy / lyquidmyrrh, if you guys are around, I'd love to hear from you as well.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on May 18, 2007, 07:20:12 PM
Congrats on the decision Dru!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: absy on May 19, 2007, 01:43:43 PM
I basically agree with everything Mike said, and I'm really excited about the directions that next year's co-presidents will take the group.  I'm not really checking LSD much anymore (I started work this week), but feel free to send me an email if you have any specific questions or want to hear personal anecdotes. 


Congrats on Harvard, Ersatz!  Absy (and, to some extent, lyquidmyrrrh) are probably more qualified to talk about the LGBT atmosphere at Harvard, but I'll throw in my two cents.  Harvard seems to be a pretty great place to be gay.  I brought my bf to the admit weekend, and didn't feel awkward at all.  One of the faculty-guided discussions addressed the constitutionality of gay marriage and domestic partnership benefits, and the whole crowd seemed really progressive and pro-gay rights.  The Lambda Law group seems to have a pretty strong presence on campus, and they have a pretty large membership.  And, of course, Boston/Cambridge is a pretty gay-friendly city.  It's not quite as gay at the SF Bay Area, but close.

Good luck on your decision!

Thanks, Mike - I'm definitely glad to hear you say that. Appreciate your response! Absy / lyquidmyrrh, if you guys are around, I'd love to hear from you as well.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 21, 2007, 10:30:32 AM
Congrats on the decision Dru!

Thanks!  Have you made any final decisions?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on May 21, 2007, 10:59:25 AM
Thanks, absy!

I think I may have already asked this - but are there any LGBTers here that are heading to Harvard this fall?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on May 21, 2007, 11:35:52 AM
I'd pop in to note that Harvard is very socially progressive and pro-gay (even the most right wing people in my section were still very gay friendly, at least outwardly), though the community is definitely bigger on the male end than the female - I only know of 7 queer women in my class, and couldn't count the number of queer men, but I know it's much higher.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Ersatz on May 21, 2007, 11:44:20 AM
I'd pop in to note that Harvard is very socially progressive and pro-gay (even the most right wing people in my section were still very gay friendly, at least outwardly), though the community is definitely bigger on the male end than the female - I only know of 7 queer women in my class, and couldn't count the number of queer men, but I know it's much higher.

Cool - great to hear.

I'm always surprised by the male/female queer ratio breakdown. I really have no idea what the statistics are; is it just that there are many more gay men than women?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on May 21, 2007, 12:06:57 PM
I'm always surprised by the male/female queer ratio breakdown. I really have no idea what the statistics are; is it just that there are many more gay men than women?

I've wondered that myself.  I think there are more out gay men than women, but not by nearly this much (I also think a larger number of women fall into the bisexual range, which tends to be less visible).  My guess is some form of self-selection in choosing to go to law school, and specifically choosing establishment-type institutions like Harvard.  My thoroughly unscientific sample of my friends would suggest that on average dykes are more fight-the-system, and gay men are more reform-the-system-from-inside.  Though obviously that's a ridiculously drastic oversimplification.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on May 21, 2007, 12:12:23 PM
Congrats on the decision Dru!

Thanks!  Have you made any final decisions?

Well, I've sent 2 deposits to Cornell, and Northwestern finally took me off hold and offered me a spot on the Summer Waitlist.

I'm going to hold on to my waitlists at NU, Penn, Mich, and UVA and see if those turn into anything

If not, it looks like Cornell for me - I suppose I can't really complain about anything (except snow)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on May 23, 2007, 09:56:31 PM
Hey kids. This probably isn't the right place for this, but I like to talk to my gay DC boys. How's the DC apartment hunting going? I'm having a damned hard time finding cheap apartments that aren't infested w/ roaches according to apartmentratings.com. Where are people looking besides craigslist and washingtoncitypaper? Hook a gal up!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on May 23, 2007, 10:45:50 PM
Hey kids. This probably isn't the right place for this, but I like to talk to my gay DC boys. How's the DC apartment hunting going? I'm having a damned hard time finding cheap apartments that aren't infested w/ roaches according to apartmentratings.com. Where are people looking besides craigslist and washingtoncitypaper? Hook a gal up!
How cheap is cheap? And close to where? American, right? I had a studio for $800 in Glover Park in 2005, so it's probably 900 or 1000 now. I loved the area, but eventually tired of the bus system. I found the building through CL but you could look them up directly: http://www.carillonhouse.com/

Roof deck was unbelievable. You can see every single point in DC, NOVA, and beyond.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on May 23, 2007, 11:33:37 PM
Oh, I think I've seen a few listings for Carrilon, looks interesting.

I fully expect to pay at least $1,300 a month, and probably closer to $1,500 when parking's factored in, kates.   :-\
Probably best to aim high to avoid sticker shock, but I'd bet you'll find something for much cheaper. I'd never pay that for a studio unless it had serious luxury amenties.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 24, 2007, 01:07:37 PM
Funny you should bring this up.  :P
I just (literally "just"...like 10 minutes ago) found a roommate (through the GULC facebook group).  He owns a condo on Mass. Ave.  Really nice place (hardwood floors, W/D, stainless steel appliances, 2br/ba) in a new building.  And....here's the kicker...he's gonna charge me $925/month + utilities!  I couldn't believe it...studios go for $1600 in that area.

Anyway, my point is...well I really just wanted to gloat ( Tongue....although it's not official yet... ::crosses fingers:: ).  But i also wanted to show that your big find might come from an unexpected source (never considered using facebook in my search).  So, keep it up...there are good places out there.

That is a good deal!  Now I'm jealous.


Hey kids. This probably isn't the right place for this, but I like to talk to my gay DC boys. How's the DC apartment hunting going? I'm having a damned hard time finding cheap apartments that aren't infested w/ roaches according to apartmentratings.com. Where are people looking besides craigslist and washingtoncitypaper? Hook a gal up!

I've been checking craigslist daily.  I've also looked at www.rent.com and www.apartments.com.  I've actually seen a couple buildings that seem fairly priced on each of those websites.  That apartmentratings.com looks it will keep me busy for the next few days.  Thanks kates!



Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 24, 2007, 01:50:02 PM
Now that I'm thinking about it, does anyone want a roommate in DC?  Or know someone who does? PM me if you are possibly interested in living together.

I've been browsing a lot lately, and would like to keep my rent & utilities around $1200.  In order to do that, I've realized I definitely need a roommate, and cannot live in Foggy Bottom.  I have seen a couple places along Connecticut Ave and Columbia Heights that seem livable.  I just can't bring myself to live in NoVa. 
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on May 24, 2007, 02:05:47 PM
I just can't bring myself to live in NoVa. 
It wears off. I lived in four Foggy Bottom-area apartments, then a Glover Park apartment, and moving to VA was a dream. My commute to GW is five minutes and direct (vs. 20 minutes on the bus from Glover Park, or involving transfers to the Red Line (CT ave) or Green Line (CH) that believe me, get seriously old after awhile).

GW's in a very pretty area but there's absolutely no reason to live in Foggy Bottom unless you're a college student. Van Ness and Cleveland Park are fun neighborhoods, but you can get newer buildings, better amenities, lower taxes, voting rights, and a shorter commute across the river.

I dunno, just my two cents. People come to DC pre-programmed to be suspicious of Virginia (myself included... I remember pleading with a friend in college not to move "so far away")... but it just makes more sense. I have much love and nostalgia for my little DC apartments, but I feel like I live in luxury now comparatively.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 24, 2007, 02:28:55 PM
It wears off. I lived in four Foggy Bottom-area apartments, then a Glover Park apartment, and moving to VA was a dream. My commute to GW is five minutes and direct (vs. 20 minutes on the bus from Glover Park, or involving transfers to the Red Line (CT ave) or Green Line (CH) that believe me, get seriously old after awhile).
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If you don't mind sharing, how much do you pay in rent?  The couple times I've browsed, apartments within a 5 minute walk to a metro seem to be about the same price as DC rent.  I feel like the walk needed to get a decent price cancels out the transfers/bus riding. 

GW's in a very pretty area but there's absolutely no reason to live in Foggy Bottom unless you're a college student. Van Ness and Cleveland Park are fun neighborhoods, but you can get newer buildings, better amenities, lower taxes, voting rights, and a shorter commute across the river.

All those things are great, but is there any strong gay community there?  Even if there is no community, how gay friendly is it?  Do you see same-sex couples?  Is there ethnic diversity?  When I visited a friend in Ballston last summer, my impression was no to all.  I would love to know if my impressions are wrong, because I know there are many benefits to DC.

I dunno, just my two cents. People come to DC pre-programmed to be suspicious of Virginia (myself included... I remember pleading with a friend in college not to move "so far away")... but it just makes more sense. I have much love and nostalgia for my little DC apartments, but I feel like I live in luxury now comparatively.

I am not suspicious of NoVa per se, but I don't need much space.  I don't spend time at home, so that isn't as important to me.  I would live in NoVa if the right opportunity came along, but it just seem as interesting a place to live.  I don't know that I am ready to trade the urban community, with all its failings, for a better quality of living per dollar spent. 

I do appreciate your response though!  I spend a lot of my time thinking about this, and writing this email has convinced me to broaden my search to NoVa (not that I will move there.  I can't!  :o :P)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 24, 2007, 02:38:34 PM
Are you in DC now, dru?

No, I'm in Chicago until August 1st.  I miss this place, even though I'm not leaving for more than 2 months.  Which, if anyone ever wants to come hang out, I'm generally around.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 24, 2007, 02:59:27 PM
Ah OK.  I get to DC Sunday and am there until August 3rd.  Then home/vacation and back to DC for orientation the 13th. 

Are any of the gay DCers on Facebook? 

Yup. Andrew Welz.  I just joined the DC network.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on May 24, 2007, 03:12:49 PM
It wears off. I lived in four Foggy Bottom-area apartments, then a Glover Park apartment, and moving to VA was a dream. My commute to GW is five minutes and direct (vs. 20 minutes on the bus from Glover Park, or involving transfers to the Red Line (CT ave) or Green Line (CH) that believe me, get seriously old after awhile).

If you don't mind sharing, how much do you pay in rent?  The couple times I've browsed, apartments within a 5 minute walk to a metro seem to be about the same price as DC rent.  I feel like the walk needed to get a decent price cancels out the transfers/bus riding.
I split a ~$1700 rent for a 1 bedroom plus den with my boyfriend/partner/sig other/etc, but I opted for a high-end apartment if I was going to make the move to VA. The apartment's a little over 1,000sq ft, carpet and tile, dishwasher, washer/dryer, jacuzzi tub and separate shower, walk-in closet, central A/C, balcony. Building amenties... both an indoor and an outdoor pool, a full gym, racquetball courts, a rec room, a convenience store with dry-cleaning, free parking spot, package services. Walking distance to Metro, Whole Foods, Safeway, Starbucks, bank, movie theatre, restaurants, bars, city government, post office, Barnes & Noble, movie rental stores, etc.

No question that the buildings near Metro stations will be generally as expensive, but your buck goes a lot further. I can't even think of a building with those amenities in DC and am certain it would be priced higher. And like I said, we opted to go for a nicer building than the ones we lived in in DC... there are much cheaper buildings in the area. Check out Barton House... long waitlist but it's cheaper, and right next to the Whole Foods. Yum.

GW's in a very pretty area but there's absolutely no reason to live in Foggy Bottom unless you're a college student. Van Ness and Cleveland Park are fun neighborhoods, but you can get newer buildings, better amenities, lower taxes, voting rights, and a shorter commute across the river.

All those things are great, but is there any strong gay community there?  Even if there is no community, how gay friendly is it?  Do you see same-sex couples?  Is there ethnic diversity?  When I visited a friend in Ballston last summer, my impression was no to all.  I would love to know if my impressions are wrong, because I know there are many benefits to DC.
Arlington is very, very different from the rest of Virginia -- the county government gave their employees domestic partnership rights all the way back in 97, though they were later quashed by the state legislature. The county government opposed the ban on gay marriage, and a solid majority of voters in Arlington voted against it. Arlington is very, very liberal.

I definitely see gay couples... the area is very 20/30-something. And I see enough single guys looking at my boyfriend to pay attention :)

As for racial diversity, that's the difficult card. Arlington has a strong Latino population but like DC there are white-white areas and black-black areas with nary a gray thread to be found. It's the most unfortunate stain on this metro area.

Saw you mentioned Ballston. Ballston felt too far from DC for me at the time, and I didn't like the area as much. Check out the run from Rosslyn through Clarendon - I liked it better.

I dunno, just my two cents. People come to DC pre-programmed to be suspicious of Virginia (myself included... I remember pleading with a friend in college not to move "so far away")... but it just makes more sense. I have much love and nostalgia for my little DC apartments, but I feel like I live in luxury now comparatively.

I am not suspicious of NoVa per se, but I don't need much space.  I don't spend time at home, so that isn't as important to me.  I would live in NoVa if the right opportunity came along, but it just seem as interesting a place to live.  I don't know that I am ready to trade the urban community, with all its failings, for a better quality of living per dollar spent. 

I do appreciate your response though!  I spend a lot of my time thinking about this, and writing this email has convinced me to broaden my search to NoVa (not that I will move there.  I can't!  :o :P)
I suppose "interesting" is in the definition of the beholder. One thing to be said about Foggy Bottom in particular is how it utterly shuts down after 5PM and on the weekends. It is more vacant than any area in a city where I've ever been.

As for trading in the urban community, I'd disagree - the area is very urbanized. Higher-rises than DC, popular bars and restaurants are all along Wilson/Clarendon Blvd, and anything you want in DC is just as easy to get to as if you lived in DC. The state line isn't impermeable, and some areas in DC are even more easily reached from Arlington (compare getting to Georgetown from Arlington vs. from Cleveland Park). I still feel very connected to DC, perhaps even more so then when I was off the metro grid and living on a bus line.

Like I said, it's all about personal preference. I laughed when I met a GW student the other day who'd followed my exact same living track -- Foggy Bottom -> Glover Park -> Arlington. I think it's kind of something that just happens but maybe people need to live in the city first and find their own likes and dislikes. That's certainly how it worked for both me and my boyfriend. After living in DC for 5 years, I lost nothing and gained much by moving to VA, but that isn't necessarily the case for everyone.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 24, 2007, 03:27:22 PM
Like I said, it's all about personal preference. I laughed when I met a GW student the other day who'd followed my exact same living track -- Foggy Bottom -> Glover Park -> Arlington. I think it's kind of something that just happens but maybe people need to live in the city first and find their own likes and dislikes. That's certainly how it worked for both me and my boyfriend. After living in DC for 5 years, I lost nothing and gained much by moving to VA, but that isn't necessarily the case for everyone.

You rock!  Where are you going next year (or already attending)?

What happened to Mike & the Michigan/Penn crew?  I didn't mean for this to become a DC thread.  Come back everybody!
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on May 24, 2007, 03:55:29 PM
You rock!  Where are you going next year (or already attending)?
Thanks :) Just thought I'd throw my two cents in the ring. I'll be at GW next year.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 24, 2007, 04:18:59 PM
You rock!  Where are you going next year (or already attending)?
Thanks :) Just thought I'd throw my two cents in the ring. I'll be at GW next year.

Huzzah! 

Any comments on the queer night life in NoVa?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on May 24, 2007, 04:34:53 PM
You rock!  Where are you going next year (or already attending)?
Thanks :) Just thought I'd throw my two cents in the ring. I'll be at GW next year.

Huzzah! 

Any comments on the queer night life in NoVa?
None actually... between working full time and going to school I am hopelessly out of all scenes, gay to political to TV... not to mention I'll admit we're pretty domestic. To make matters worse I realized recently that neither of the (DC) clubs I used to frequent exist any more  :-[ One changed its name (Badlands -> Apex) and Nation... well, Nation got knocked down. The baseball stadium needed a home. I'd still say DC is much more scene-y for the gay nightlife... Dupont Circle shifting to Columbia Heights shifting to Shaw. But, that may be based on my college years here. I'm not very familiar with the post-college gay scene at all.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LatinoUIUC on May 24, 2007, 05:08:01 PM
Hey guys, new to the board and just wanted to say hi to everyone here. Seems like a good place, very informative. I'm going to be a junior this year at UIUC and started thinking about the law for a while now. I am still debating on whether this is what I want to do, hopefully, this place will help. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on May 24, 2007, 08:06:58 PM
Hey guys, new to the board and just wanted to say hi to everyone here. Seems like a good place, very informative. I'm going to be a junior this year at UIUC and started thinking about the law for a while now. I am still debating on whether this is what I want to do, hopefully, this place will help. :)

Informative? LSD?

Psshhaw.

(kidding....sorta)

And you're lucky that you get another 2 years in the C-U...I miss it already
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LatinoUIUC on May 25, 2007, 10:34:07 AM
Hey guys, new to the board and just wanted to say hi to everyone here. Seems like a good place, very informative. I'm going to be a junior this year at UIUC and started thinking about the law for a while now. I am still debating on whether this is what I want to do, hopefully, this place will help. :)

Informative? LSD?

Psshhaw.

(kidding....sorta)

And you're lucky that you get another 2 years in the C-U...I miss it already

Sorta? Why do you say that? haha. Yeah, I still have 2 more years, when did you graduate? Where are you now?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Quail! on May 25, 2007, 10:53:11 AM
I was just being facetious, LSD is a great source of information that for many of us provided the only useful advice during the application and decision cycles...you won't get much help from Dean Shafer at UIUC, he's a worthless troll who has no clue what he's talking about.

I just graduated a couple weeks ago.  Take advantage of the time you got left, I can tell already it doesn't get any better than that.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: kates on May 25, 2007, 05:29:04 PM
Thanks for the discussion everybody! Sorry to take over the thread, but I have one more question: what do people know about hiring a realtor to search for apt's? I heard you don't have to pay them, is that true? My roomie (met through American's website) and I are looking for something cheap cheap cheap (by which I mean a 2-bdrm for < $1800), do places like that even hire realtors?


Anyone else?  When are you heading to DC, kates?

I'm heading out in August. I don't have facebook or anything, but you may certainly avail yourself of the PM, and I'm sure we'll meet eventually through the Inter DC Law School Gay Cabal or whatever it's called!  :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: dcforlife on May 25, 2007, 09:31:05 PM
Thanks for the discussion everybody! Sorry to take over the thread, but I have one more question: what do people know about hiring a realtor to search for apt's? I heard you don't have to pay them, is that true? My roomie (met through American's website) and I are looking for something cheap cheap cheap (by which I mean a 2-bdrm for < $1800), do places like that even hire realtors?
I've never heard of a person using one. Friends that moved away told me that they had to use one in some cities (Boston I think) because all the good apartments were brokered by agents, but I've never heard anything of the kind here. If you simply wanted someone to look for apartments I'm sure such a service is available but I can't imagine it's free - unless it's limited to places where they have contracts and can get referral bonuses or something. Otherwise, what would be the motivation?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on May 27, 2007, 09:46:30 PM
What happened to Mike & the Michigan/Penn crew?  I didn't mean for this to become a DC thread.  Come back everybody!

Congrats on everyone's law school decisions!  I just figured out my housing situation for next year (on-campus studio), so I'm relieved that I won't have to be apt hunting. Good luck to everyone still searching for places!

I'm not a DC'er, but if anyone is on facebook or in the Bay Area, feel free to add me or PM me. :)
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: waningdelusion on May 29, 2007, 07:27:17 AM
when i moved to austin every apartment locater i worked with was free.  yes, they get referral commission if they place you somewhere.  which means, if they don't find you a place they don't get paid.  it's hard to find one you have to pay upfront, i found, at least here.

the downside of that is that generally each realtor has apartments that she or he works with and will probably not be able to show you everything on the market.  they won't show you anything they won't get paid for


Thanks for the discussion everybody! Sorry to take over the thread, but I have one more question: what do people know about hiring a realtor to search for apt's? I heard you don't have to pay them, is that true? My roomie (met through American's website) and I are looking for something cheap cheap cheap (by which I mean a 2-bdrm for < $1800), do places like that even hire realtors?
I've never heard of a person using one. Friends that moved away told me that they had to use one in some cities (Boston I think) because all the good apartments were brokered by agents, but I've never heard anything of the kind here. If you simply wanted someone to look for apartments I'm sure such a service is available but I can't imagine it's free - unless it's limited to places where they have contracts and can get referral bonuses or something. Otherwise, what would be the motivation?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Sarahpi on May 29, 2007, 11:40:45 PM
Hi all,

I'm new to the thread (to the whole forum, really) and would love to join in. However, I'm applying for the Fall 2008 cycle, and it feels kind of dumb to jump in on the 07 cycle discussion just when everyone's getting decisions and I haven't even applied yet. I think we're at the time of year when the focus will soon turn to the upcoming admissions season, so...if I start a Fall 2008 LGBT thread, will there be anyone else there? Anyone? Bueller?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Sarahpi on May 30, 2007, 08:55:10 AM
Excellent. I like the idea of changing this thread's name when the time comes rather than beginning a new one- less confusion in switching over.

Anyway! I'm Sarah. I'm currently living in NC, but did undergrad in Western Massachusetts and am planning to get the hell out of dodge for law school. Finding an LGBT-friendly campus- or at least one in an LGBT-friendly area, even if the school's nothing to write home about in that department- is a big priority for me, so I'm glad to see this thread.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: drujoe on May 30, 2007, 09:18:07 AM
Excellent. I like the idea of changing this thread's name when the time comes rather than beginning a new one- less confusion in switching over.

Anyway! I'm Sarah. I'm currently living in NC, but did undergrad in Western Massachusetts and am planning to get the hell out of dodge for law school. Finding an LGBT-friendly campus- or at least one in an LGBT-friendly area, even if the school's nothing to write home about in that department- is a big priority for me, so I'm glad to see this thread.

My impression of the whole thing is big city schools and top schools tend to be much more gay friendly.  For example, Illinois, which is the middle of the state, still has a decent LGBT population and is generally supportive.  Will it be as large or as open as NYC, Chicago or SF? No, but it still isn't bad. 

I started off by narrowing down the schools by my academic interests, and then emailing the OutLaw or Lambda Law representative at the school.  They will be best suited to answer your questions on a specific school.  Name some schools here, and I'm sure we'd be happy to discuss.  If you go back and read 45 pages (a day job nearing its end is good for that), you will see a fair amount of discussion on several schools, and toward the end you will see a list detailing where the active members of the board are attending (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,67140.510.html).
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Sarahpi on May 30, 2007, 11:35:29 AM
That's what I've heard, drujoe (re: big city schools and top schools.) For other reasons, I'm mostly looking at schools in large cities where I've already spent some time, so I'm not so worried about the campuses meeting my standards, at least as far as considering going there. The one exception to the large cities rule is UNC- but I grew up in North Carolina and live in Asheville now, and Chapel Hill is pretty much the only other place in NC I'd want to live.

Mostly I'm looking forward to using this board both to meet other LGBT/queer-friendly people in whatever area I end up, and also, once I (hopefully) get admitted to a few schools, get people's read on the relative levels of queer-friendliness at my potential schools.

At the moment, my list is: Boalt, Hastings, Fordham, Cardozo, BU, BC, Northeastern, Emory, UNC. It may very well change before this fall, though.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: Sarahpi on May 30, 2007, 12:01:19 PM
I'm visiting Boalt and Hastings in a couple weeks- obviously classes won't be in session, but hopefully I can get the feel of them and see how I like them. I lived in SF for two summers in college and have lots of friends there, so that's a plus for those schools- I know how to get around the city, and all that. On the minus side, there's obviously the cost of living and the distance-from-home factor (not a huge deal for me- in my mind, once you're flying home, a two-hour flight's just as much a pain in the ass as a six-hour one- but I don't want to break my mom's heart.)

I've never formally visited Emory but lived and went to high school about a mile from campus, as a teenager. So I'm a huge fan of that part of Atlanta/Decatur and would love to live there again (and I was out in HS, so have a sense of the area as pertains to queer stuff.) Minus side- I'd like to get out of the Southeast, if possible, but Emory's definitely a good option if I decide to stick around.

Michigan's one of those schools that if I had any experience whatsoever with the area/region, I'd be all over it. I've heard great things about the school and Ann Arbor. But...I'm already juggling loyalties to the West Coast, Northeast and Southeast, and I've moved around too much in my life to start over in a place that's completely unfamiliar. Not knocking it for anyone else, but...yeah.
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on May 31, 2007, 11:17:16 AM
Hi all,

I'm new to the thread (to the whole forum, really) and would love to join in. However, I'm applying for the Fall 2008 cycle, and it feels kind of dumb to jump in on the 07 cycle discussion just when everyone's getting decisions and I haven't even applied yet. I think we're at the time of year when the focus will soon turn to the upcoming admissions season, so...if I start a Fall 2008 LGBT thread, will there be anyone else there? Anyone? Bueller?


My vote is that you just jump into this one and talkabout whatever the heck you want to ;) --- maybe mike can change the name of the thread in a few months or somethin????

Welcome, Saraphi!  I'm glad to see someone else interested in the Bay Area here in this thread.  Both Boalt and Hastings are great schools, and the LGBT environment is very welcoming and fun.  Both schools care a lot about diversity and experience, so you should definitely emphasize your background, talents, work experience, etc, should you apply.

BTW, good suggestion, Bouzie.  I'll go ahead and change the name of the thread to make it more general. :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: drujoe on May 31, 2007, 11:52:15 AM
Brilliant!

How many Class of 2010 folks are still working?  I'm going absolutely insane.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: drujoe on May 31, 2007, 01:31:18 PM
Brilliant!

How many Class of 2010 folks are still working?  I'm going absolutely insane.

im working for 2 more weeks.  My GSA kids just threew me a surprise going away party.  Im a mess, I SOoooo don't want to leave now.  damned awesome gays.

Now that is sweet!  I wonder if my highschool has a GSA program yet?  For some reason, I would guess no.

I have 21 days now.  Not that I turned my old "Jon Stewart: America" 365 Day Calendar into a countdown calendar.  No, not at all.   
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: drujoe on May 31, 2007, 03:37:20 PM
Brilliant!

How many Class of 2010 folks are still working?  I'm going absolutely insane.

im working for 2 more weeks.  My GSA kids just threew me a surprise going away party.  Im a mess, I SOoooo don't want to leave now.  damned awesome gays.

Now that is sweet!  I wonder if my highschool has a GSA program yet?  For some reason, I would guess no.

I have 21 days not.  Not that I turned my old "Jon Stewart: America" 365 Day Calendar into a countdown calendar.  No, not at all.   

hehe, I have a count down going too ;)  What do you do for work?

I'm working at am AmLaw 100 doing business development research (ie teaching the attorneys about their clients' business).  I was supposed to hate this job, while I figured out whether to do a Masters or PhD in Political Science (and in what discipline).  But I realized I actually like working with attorneys and, *voila* applied to law school. 

Lately though, I gchat.  I'm very good at gchatting now.  I am also an excellent user of google/reader.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: drujoe on June 03, 2007, 10:04:15 AM
I am so relieved!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/us/03visit.html?ex=1338523200&en=d4421a76049d0ba5&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/us/03visit.html?ex=1338523200&en=d4421a76049d0ba5&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: drujoe on June 05, 2007, 01:29:43 PM
Where're you living?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: LetsGetEm on June 08, 2007, 04:54:29 PM
Where the Gays/Allies are  going:

The American University Gay Eagles
Kates

The Cornell University Gay Big Red
Quail!


The Georgetown Gay Hoyas
Watifah/Midge/David
Mohnblume

The George Washington University Gay Colonials:
Bridget
DruJoe

The University of Michigan Gay Wolverines
Chasing Daylight
Bouzie
FlyAway
Norn/The Boy with the Sun in His Eyes
LetsGetEm
The University of Pennsylvania Gay Quakers
Contiki
Topher

The Catholic University Gay Cardinals
Saxby



LATEST UPDATE TO THE LIST?
Title: Re: LGBT Thread for Fall 2007 Cycle
Post by: 245 on June 08, 2007, 11:47:46 PM
Where the Gays/Allies are  going:

The American University Gay Eagles
Kates

The Cornell University Gay Big Red
Quail!


The Georgetown Gay Hoyas
Watifah/Midge/David
Mohnblume

The George Washington University Gay Colonials:
Bridget
DruJoe

The University of Michigan Gay Wolverines
Chasing Daylight
Bouzie
FlyAway
Norn/The Boy with the Sun in His Eyes
LetsGetEm
The University of Pennsylvania Gay Quakers
Contiki
Topher

The Catholic University Gay Cardinals
Saxby



LATEST UPDATE TO THE LIST?

Good call on the update.  thanks!
 

Put me down for Stanford. =)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: flyaway on June 09, 2007, 12:24:57 PM
ALLIES ROCK!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: pamar on July 09, 2007, 11:57:42 AM
Hi everyone,

It's the first time I post something here.  I will be applying to law school this fall.  I was wondering if anyone could give me some suggestions as to reach, match and safety schools.  My undergrad GPA from Colgate University is 3.35 (International Relations and Chinese). I am a hispanic LGBTQ student, born in the US but raised abroad, and can speak 5 languages. I'm expecting to get at least a 160-165 in the LSAT.

I am considering Georgetown, GW, American, BU, Fordham, Tulane, Northeastern... (Basically schools in the northeast, in Boston, NYC, or Washington) I'd like to know if there any other schools I should consider.  Thank you!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: pamar on July 09, 2007, 08:25:35 PM
oh yeah but im looking to be in a city, is michigan ann arbor big?!

and whats titcr?!

cheers!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: pamar on July 09, 2007, 08:38:50 PM
ha! nevermind i found it! lol
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: pamar on July 10, 2007, 10:41:14 AM
ha! good luck to you guys!

Ann Arbor must get really cold. im used to it though, i go to colgate in upstate new york...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: pamar on July 10, 2007, 05:36:52 PM
" TITCR"
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on July 10, 2007, 07:38:12 PM
I have a question about checking the LGBT box on LSAC... I know that schools will mail me info about being gay at their schools, but I don't really want the info going to my home address. I'm out with my parents, but they read my college mail (they're curious, normally I don't mind), and they don't like being reminded about my 'gayness.' I don't really want the info going to my home. I'd be ok if I could be SURE that it was going only to my dorm. Is there anyway to set this?

My only concern with NOT checking LGBT is that I might want to do a diverstiy statement. Would it look fishy if I write the statement but didn't check the box? Does checking the box actually give me any advantage?

Finally, I'm I guess a little apprehensive about writing a diversity statement at all, don't want to rock the boat, you know? I guess I could only send the statement to my reach schools, but do you think my topic would be all right: basically about coming out to my family and how it was a hard decision and how they resisted by got over it, yadda yadda. I know it's probably typical for a gay applicant, but the vast majority aren't gay, right? Anyway, my only concern is that I'm pretty modest about my sexuality and I try not to let it define me. I'm probably even going to say that in my statement. Would that end up hurting me because they adcoms would think I wasn't being true enough to myself or that I'm not "diverse" enough because I'm not involved in many gay organizations or advocacy groups? It's part of me, but I try not to let it define me too much as a person, and that's more or less what I want to get across. Thanks!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on July 10, 2007, 08:12:52 PM
Bouzie... Thanks... I'm leaning toward using my diversity statement for HYSCNC (whichever of those I apply to) because I feel like I'll have nothing to lose (171/3.89).

Can anyone answer my question about checking the LGBT box though? If I don't check it, will law schools think its fishy if I write a PS about coming out? For my homelife sanity, I may not check it, we'll see. I don't want schools to think, then, that I'm lying to gain an admissions edge since I didn't check the box. Would someone really lie about being gay though?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on July 11, 2007, 09:11:51 AM
Bouzie... Thanks... I'm leaning toward using my diversity statement for HYSCNC (whichever of those I apply to) because I feel like I'll have nothing to lose (171/3.89).

Can anyone answer my question about checking the LGBT box though? If I don't check it, will law schools think its fishy if I write a PS about coming out? For my homelife sanity, I may not check it, we'll see. I don't want schools to think, then, that I'm lying to gain an admissions edge since I didn't check the box. Would someone really lie about being gay though?


the lgbt box with LSAC is optional-- if there's one on a school's application and you don't check it, that might be more questionable.  I will say that I got LGBT materials from schools to which I applied after I was accepted b/c lgbt advocacy was a theme present in my personal statement.  I didn't really take note but I do think that at least one or two of the mailings mentioned lgbt or diversity on the envelope and would be visible to whomever got the mail. 



I got one or two of those as well.  Also, Cornell I guess gave my name and phone number to LAMBDA Law, because I got a call from the president of it the other week.  I thought that all of that was confidential?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: flyaway on July 11, 2007, 12:31:15 PM
I heard from a certain future house guest of yours that the OUTlaws were still talking about you at the next ASW. 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on July 11, 2007, 12:58:05 PM
Most correspondence I received was through e-mail which was great, and also one phone call to my cell from the Mich outlaws which was fine - Dean Z had emailed all the LGBT applicants saying that someone from outlaws might be calling and if we preferred someone from our geographic area or undergraduate institution instead, to let her know. The only sketchy thing was that Duke outlaws sent me a big envelope with some stuff in it to my mailing address, which is shared w/ people I'm not out to - luckily I don't think any of them know what Outlaws means so that was fine. Nothing sent to my permanent address. Ever. So that was nice.

This is kind of unrelated to LGBT strictly, but whatever I set as my mailing address, is that where my packages and stuff will go? I want to keep my home as my permanent address, but I kind of want to get my acceptances at interest mail at my dorm address. Thanks.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: flyaway on July 11, 2007, 01:30:25 PM
She shouldn't be mad... she should be flattered!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on July 13, 2007, 07:37:07 AM
Not that I want to turn this into any sort of political debate (I reaaallly don't), but I never really understood the hubbub about calling it "marriage".  Marriage is a historically religious institution (and I don't believe the government has ANY business "marrying" anyone)...so let them have it.  Give me the tax benefits and such, and I'm happy - I don't really care what you call it.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on July 13, 2007, 07:49:25 AM
Not that I want to turn this into any sort of political debate (I reaaallly don't), but I never really understood the hubbub about calling it "marriage".  Marriage is a historically religious institution (and I don't believe the government has ANY business "marrying" anyone)...so let them have it.  Give me the tax benefits and such, and I'm happy - I don't really care what you call it.

That marriage is a traditionally religious institution isn't particularly relevant in my view since many faiths sanction and perform same-sex marriages.



That's just what I mean.  Let the religions take complete assumption of the word "marriage" (and get the gov. OUT of it), and have them decide for themselves whether or not they'll sanction it.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 15, 2007, 01:46:37 AM
Well, I had way too much time today so I read through this whole thread and just wanted to say hi.

I took the June LSAT and am now trying to decide where I want to go.  Based on this thread, UPenn and Michigan look like really good options, but I'm not really sure what schools I can get into.  My first choice would be Harvard, but I don't think that's going to happen, or my second choice, Columbia.  Does anybody know what the LGBT environment at Columbia is like?

Thanks, and I look forward to talking to all of you.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 17, 2007, 01:00:40 PM
Wow, I really killed this thread, didn't I?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 'tiki on July 17, 2007, 04:07:49 PM
Awww, no way. I've been on sabbatical due to travel and I'm just returning to LSD, so welcome. I do not know about Columbia but its NYC, so I wouldn't worry. However, Penn is the way to go.  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 17, 2007, 06:10:22 PM
Awww, no way. I've been on sabbatical due to travel and I'm just returning to LSD, so welcome. I do not know about Columbia but its NYC, so I wouldn't worry. However, Penn is the way to go.  ;)

I'm sure you say that without the slightest bit of bias.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 'tiki on July 18, 2007, 07:10:03 AM
Awww, no way. I've been on sabbatical due to travel and I'm just returning to LSD, so welcome. I do not know about Columbia but its NYC, so I wouldn't worry. However, Penn is the way to go.  ;)

I'm sure you say that without the slightest bit of bias.

None at all.  ;) But to be fair Michigan was really awesome and Berkeley was pretty cool.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Zenith Electronics Corp. on July 18, 2007, 07:13:50 AM
this thread is approved.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 18, 2007, 09:47:10 AM
Awww, no way. I've been on sabbatical due to travel and I'm just returning to LSD, so welcome. I do not know about Columbia but its NYC, so I wouldn't worry. However, Penn is the way to go.  ;)

I'm sure you say that without the slightest bit of bias.

None at all.  ;) But to be fair Michigan was really awesome and Berkeley was pretty cool.

I'm doing my undergrad in Hawaii, so I've pretty much decided that I'd like to go to law school somewhere with real winters.  Based on that, I haven't really been looking at UC schools.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on July 18, 2007, 11:37:29 AM
I'm hoping for Columbia too. I assume the GLBT environment is pretty good, although maybe not as developed as it would be at NYU. They seem genuinely commited to diversity at CLS, but I don't know if that extends to GLBT-type diversity.

Helpful, no?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on July 31, 2007, 10:55:43 AM
Tag.

Just wanted to introduce myself to this thread and try to start it up again.  It's been almost 2 weeks since the last post!

Looking forward to hearing from everyone.  Cheers!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on July 31, 2007, 11:33:02 AM
Well hello there!

Yes, I figured it was definitely time to give this thread a wake-up call.

Anyway, I skimmed through most of this thread's previous posts, and this past cycle's applicants seemed really cool.  I am bummed that they are most likely going to be leaving since they will be swamped as 1Ls.  Hopefully this cycle's applicants will be just as cool.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 31, 2007, 11:43:30 AM
I'm going to pop in and say hi, even though I'm quite certain that every time I post here it kills the thread.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on July 31, 2007, 11:48:17 AM
M, we will make sure that doesn't happen this time.

SA, I should be so lucky to get into UofM!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 31, 2007, 12:27:17 PM
Well hello there!

Yes, I figured it was definitely time to give this thread a wake-up call.

Anyway, I skimmed through most of this thread's previous posts, and this past cycle's applicants seemed really cool.  I am bummed that they are most likely going to be leaving since they will be swamped as 1Ls.  Hopefully this cycle's applicants will be just as cool.

I will probably pop in once in a while this fall/winter to say hi and see if any of the next cycle applicants have q's abt Michigan and stuff... although there will be like, 5 of us LSDers to do that :P  cough cough COME TO MICHIGAN cough cough
Right now I think my top 3 are Harvard, Columbia, and Michigan.

So it's certainly a consideration, but I think I'll need to get in before you can sway me to accept.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 31, 2007, 12:27:53 PM
M, we will make sure that doesn't happen this time.

SA, I should be so lucky to get into UofM!

Are you looking at any specific schools?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 31, 2007, 01:24:09 PM
haha if look back like 40 pages and you'll see me bitching about how everyone was all psyched about Michigan and that I had no chance.   


In other news-  if any of next years peeps decide to visit U of M, SA and I will be in charge of showing off Ann Arbor to you. -- mostly because we don't plan on having any social lives and will need the excitement!

I really wish I could visit schools.  But as my undergraduate is in Hawai'i, and finances are tight, I think I'm just going to have to take people's words on how beautiful various camupuses are.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 31, 2007, 01:45:30 PM
ahh do you go to UH??   I ask bc three of my former students randomly go there.

No, I go to one of the private universities.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 31, 2007, 01:49:32 PM
ahh do you go to UH??   I ask bc three of my former students randomly go there.

No, I go to one of the private universities.

sorry, I dont know why I assumed that there was only one school in the state of hawaii

No problem, it's one of the less crazy assumptions I've heard about Hawaii.  Some people are shocked that we have paved roads and are part of the United States.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on July 31, 2007, 02:17:41 PM
M, we will make sure that doesn't happen this time.

SA, I should be so lucky to get into UofM!

Are you looking at any specific schools?

I applied this past cycle with a mediocre LSAT and got accepted/waitlisted at some higher T2 schools.  I don't even want to begin speculating where I might apply until I take the test in September and get my score, because I am really afraid of jinxing it.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on July 31, 2007, 02:26:23 PM
Well best of luck to you!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on July 31, 2007, 03:10:24 PM
Well best of luck to you!

Thanks -- I need it!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: killblues on August 02, 2007, 01:06:56 AM
ahh do you go to UH??   I ask bc three of my former students randomly go there.

No, I go to one of the private universities.

sorry, I dont know why I assumed that there was only one school in the state of hawaii

No problem, it's one of the less crazy assumptions I've heard about Hawaii.  Some people are shocked that we have paved roads and are part of the United States.

Try being from Guam ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on August 02, 2007, 01:57:26 AM
ahh do you go to UH??   I ask bc three of my former students randomly go there.

No, I go to one of the private universities.

sorry, I dont know why I assumed that there was only one school in the state of hawaii

No problem, it's one of the less crazy assumptions I've heard about Hawaii.  Some people are shocked that we have paved roads and are part of the United States.

Try being from Guam ;)

Hafa adai ;)

I spent a couple of years in Guam as well.  People get REALLY confused about that island.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: killblues on August 02, 2007, 04:14:05 AM
ahh do you go to UH??   I ask bc three of my former students randomly go there.

No, I go to one of the private universities.

sorry, I dont know why I assumed that there was only one school in the state of hawaii

No problem, it's one of the less crazy assumptions I've heard about Hawaii.  Some people are shocked that we have paved roads and are part of the United States.

Try being from Guam ;)

Hafa adai ;)

I spent a couple of years in Guam as well.  People get REALLY confused about that island.

Hafa adai!!  But yeah, tell me about it.  My favorite question: "Wow, your English is so good!"  lol
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on August 02, 2007, 10:48:27 AM
No way! One of my best friends is from Guam. In fact, the other day these fools tried to convince me that they had grown up there for some reason, and I totally bought it for a while, but then I started to get wise and asked them what the capital was, and they were all "..." and I was like "Hagatna, bitches! Get the hell outta my house!"
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: S.A. on August 04, 2007, 12:18:58 AM
It's ok... no one expected you to live up to the enthusiasm of the GayAA crew :P
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on August 06, 2007, 10:40:15 AM
And poor little old me, stuck all alone in Ithaca  >:(
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on August 10, 2007, 08:40:44 PM
I don't suppose anyone would be willing to read my diversity statement and give me feedback? Did you guys write one for schools? Thanks!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: S.A. on August 10, 2007, 09:38:14 PM
Wow am I that tired or did you have a post here Bouzie but then just deleted it? Either way the fact that we are both posting on a Friday night is just another indication of the fact that we need to get our asses to AA ASAP
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on August 12, 2007, 10:16:39 AM
I'm definitely game for a weekend DC trip
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on August 12, 2007, 10:24:42 AM
I'm pretending to finish packing, I should probably stop pretending though considering I'm leaving tomorrow at 5am haha
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on August 12, 2007, 10:38:14 AM
*resists urge to make "packing" jokes*
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 14, 2007, 07:41:44 PM
Hey guys,

I'm new to the site and thought I'd introduce myself. I'm a senior at a UC campus in Southern Cal and a music major (How gay, right?? LOL).  Graduation's next June, but I've decided to work for 1 year--perhaps more  :)--before going to law school. I plan to take the LSAT next September and mail my apps later that fall.

I hope this thread remains active b/c I'll have many questions as time goes by.  NYU Law is my dream school, but unfortunately I can't just bumrush the joint--they have accept me first!  ;D LOL

It would be cool to know where all LGBT 1L's are matriculating this month.

Can I get a headcount?

Peace
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 14, 2007, 11:00:53 PM
Thanks for the response. U of Michigan has always been on my list of schools. And I'm also interested in GULC, GWU, and U of VA.

Why did you choose U of Michigan? Did u come out in your application?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 15, 2007, 12:04:37 AM
Thanks for the response. U of Michigan has always been on my list of schools. And I'm also interested in GULC, GWU, and U of VA.

Why did you choose U of Michigan? Did u come out in your application?

I chose Michigan over GULC and GW.   The main reason I chose Michigan was the general feel of the school and the people there.  Every single person I met at the law school was amazing and the correspondence from UM was great.  Its very not stuffy, which is something that really appealed to me and I think that the job opportunities were better.  Overall, I really just felt like Ann Arbor was a really cool academic community and I liked the gay community there. Also I wanted to keep the door to academia open in case that's something that I decide I want to do in the future. 

Yes, I did talk about my orientation in my personal statement; felt it was entiretly relevent to who I am.

good luck.  you're looking into some really fine schools.

Thanks so much for the info. Would you mind elaborating on the discussion of your sexuality in your PS? I'll find this most helpful.

Univ of Michigan Law is awesome...just like its umbrella institution. I wouldn't mind living in Ann Arbor for a few years. Plus, I would like to continue studying voice in law school, and the Music Dept @ U of Mich has some AWESOME voice professors, including my hero George Shirley, the 1st black male superstar @ the Metropolitan Opera.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on August 16, 2007, 09:41:33 AM
I wrote my PS about issues related to my sexual identity, and got a lot of positive feedback, but I think if you're going that route you wanna make damn sure it doesn't come off as cliched. I suspect it's a fairly common topic for LGBT applicants.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: stacy on August 16, 2007, 11:46:15 PM
yeah, i didn't come out in my PS (mine was about my part-time job cooking kosher meals; pretty random but i guess it worked out) but i did check the box asking if i identified as lgbt.  i doubt it made much of a difference either way (one place gave me a "diversity" fee waiver, but they ended up waitlisting me).

i chose UM because it's pretty laid-back, they made it easy for me to do a dual degree (no need to take the gre, and good financial aid), and i liked the idea of going to school somewhere smaller than NY (NYU was the other place i strongly considered).  i really don't have many regrets about it--most of my friends are on the east coast and i miss them a lot, but that's not UM's fault.

there are a ton of UM boosters on this board so you'll get lots of good feedback as you apply. 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 245 on August 17, 2007, 12:59:19 AM
Hey guys,

I'm new to the site and thought I'd introduce myself. I'm a senior at a UC campus in Southern Cal and a music major (How gay, right?? LOL).  Graduation's next June, but I've decided to work for 1 year--perhaps more  :)--before going to law school. I plan to take the LSAT next September and mail my apps later that fall.

I hope this thread remains active b/c I'll have many questions as time goes by.  NYU Law is my dream school, but unfortunately I can't just bumrush the joint--they have accept me first!  ;D LOL

It would be cool to know where all LGBT 1L's are matriculating this month.

Can I get a headcount?

Peace


Welcome, and good luck to you!  Do you know what you're planning to do with your year off?

I will also be a 1L this fall.  I came out in my statement of purpose, but didn't mention it in my regular ps.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 17, 2007, 06:18:55 AM
Hey guys,

I'm new to the site and thought I'd introduce myself. I'm a senior at a UC campus in Southern Cal and a music major (How gay, right?? LOL).  Graduation's next June, but I've decided to work for 1 year--perhaps more  :)--before going to law school. I plan to take the LSAT next September and mail my apps later that fall.

I hope this thread remains active b/c I'll have many questions as time goes by.  NYU Law is my dream school, but unfortunately I can't just bumrush the joint--they have accept me first!  ;D LOL

It would be cool to know where all LGBT 1L's are matriculating this month.

Can I get a headcount?

Peace


Welcome, and good luck to you!  Do you know what you're planning to do with your year off?

I will also be a 1L this fall.  I came out in my statement of purpose, but didn't mention it in my regular ps.

I have a job offer with a non-profit org for disadvantaged high-school children in the Midwest.  I won't be making beaucoup bucks, but it's something I really want to do. I also plan to take the LSAT in September, so I can mail my apps later that fall. Oh, and I'll spend a lot of my free time in prayer!! LOL  ;D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 17, 2007, 06:32:07 AM
What are the other awesome schools for LGBTQ's?

I've heard a lot of good things about UM, but there are others, right?

How about USC? (It seems to be pretty "open")

UCLA?

How about the law schools on the East?

I'd appreciate any feedback.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on August 18, 2007, 11:11:05 AM
I think most law schools have a very welcoming attitude toward gay applicants. In particular, I'm sure Georgetown, NYU, Columbia, really any other T14 will be very open minded.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on August 18, 2007, 12:46:06 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 18, 2007, 12:49:09 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on August 18, 2007, 02:01:49 PM
It's a fairly diverse (and ridiculously liberal) town

Can't give ya numbers though, just got here myself
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on August 18, 2007, 02:25:37 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 18, 2007, 03:13:39 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!

Only 6.7%?? Yikes!

I will apply to Cornell and U Penn, but I hope U Penn says yes.  I can't do 6.7%!! I need to see some color around me LOL.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on August 18, 2007, 03:19:24 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!

Only 6.7%?? Yikes!

I will apply to Cornell and U Penn, but I hope U Penn says yes.  I can't do 6.7%!! I need to see some color around me LOL.

LOL! Well it is almost 14 percent Asian too :) I'd assume Cornell law is marginally more black, but I might be wrong about that. Penn obviously would have plenty of diversity, if not in the law school, then in the surrounding neighborhood. Look at NYU and Columbia too!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 18, 2007, 03:51:51 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Fo' sho!  After all, NYU is my dream school. Let's see if they let me in LOL.

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!

Only 6.7%?? Yikes!

I will apply to Cornell and U Penn, but I hope U Penn says yes.  I can't do 6.7%!! I need to see some color around me LOL.

LOL! Well it is almost 14 percent Asian too :) I'd assume Cornell law is marginally more black, but I might be wrong about that. Penn obviously would have plenty of diversity, if not in the law school, then in the surrounding neighborhood. Look at NYU and Columbia too!

I will. NYU is my dream school. If I get accepted I get to live close to Lincoln Center.  O gioia!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on August 23, 2007, 01:14:33 AM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Fo' sho!  After all, NYU is my dream school. Let's see if they let me in LOL.

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!

Only 6.7%?? Yikes!

I will apply to Cornell and U Penn, but I hope U Penn says yes.  I can't do 6.7%!! I need to see some color around me LOL.

LOL! Well it is almost 14 percent Asian too :) I'd assume Cornell law is marginally more black, but I might be wrong about that. Penn obviously would have plenty of diversity, if not in the law school, then in the surrounding neighborhood. Look at NYU and Columbia too!

I will. NYU is my dream school. If I get accepted I get to live close to Lincoln Center.  O gioia!

what are your stats? hopefully you'll get in!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 23, 2007, 10:02:28 AM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Fo' sho!  After all, NYU is my dream school. Let's see if they let me in LOL.

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!

Only 6.7%?? Yikes!

I will apply to Cornell and U Penn, but I hope U Penn says yes.  I can't do 6.7%!! I need to see some color around me LOL.

LOL! Well it is almost 14 percent Asian too :) I'd assume Cornell law is marginally more black, but I might be wrong about that. Penn obviously would have plenty of diversity, if not in the law school, then in the surrounding neighborhood. Look at NYU and Columbia too!

I will. NYU is my dream school. If I get accepted I get to live close to Lincoln Center.  O gioia!

what are your stats? hopefully you'll get in!

I won't take the LSAT until next June (or September). But I thought I'd try do some early groundwork. I love these message boards!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on August 26, 2007, 02:21:25 PM
My school has an Exodus student organization.

I win. 

Lucky bastard.  I wanted to be cured, but this place is too damn liberal to have one of those.

::fills out transfer app::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: docpepper on August 26, 2007, 03:16:46 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Fo' sho!  After all, NYU is my dream school. Let's see if they let me in LOL.

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!

Only 6.7%?? Yikes!

I will apply to Cornell and U Penn, but I hope U Penn says yes.  I can't do 6.7%!! I need to see some color around me LOL.

LOL! Well it is almost 14 percent Asian too :) I'd assume Cornell law is marginally more black, but I might be wrong about that. Penn obviously would have plenty of diversity, if not in the law school, then in the surrounding neighborhood. Look at NYU and Columbia too!

I will. NYU is my dream school. If I get accepted I get to live close to Lincoln Center.  O gioia!

Lincoln Center's quite a ways from Greenwich Village, fyi :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: OperaAttorney on August 26, 2007, 11:36:29 PM
Cornell seems to like the homos  ;)

LOL :). I don't know about Cornell though. How many black ppl live in Ithaca? (I think I need to research that...)

Fo' sho!  After all, NYU is my dream school. Let's see if they let me in LOL.

Well according to census 2000, Ithaca is 6.7 percent black, which is actually more than I would have thought, though obviously not stellar. In terms of gay acceptance at T14s, Cornell is one of 2 T14s who's application specifically asked if you're GLBT (Penn was the other). I'm assuming that they'll view it positively!

Only 6.7%?? Yikes!

I will apply to Cornell and U Penn, but I hope U Penn says yes.  I can't do 6.7%!! I need to see some color around me LOL.

LOL! Well it is almost 14 percent Asian too :) I'd assume Cornell law is marginally more black, but I might be wrong about that. Penn obviously would have plenty of diversity, if not in the law school, then in the surrounding neighborhood. Look at NYU and Columbia too!

I will. NYU is my dream school. If I get accepted I get to live close to Lincoln Center.  O gioia!

Lincoln Center's quite a ways from Greenwich Village, fyi :)

Yeah. But Greenwich Village is still closer than Los Angeles LOL :).
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on September 23, 2007, 08:45:40 AM
bump.


Where's everyone applying to?  and how're the lgbt 1Ls doing????????????

(I decided that a return to LSD posting was the best cure for a hangover since there are no Dunkin Donuts in Ann Arbor)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on September 23, 2007, 03:51:46 PM
I finally got my list of shools to 10!  Let me know what you think from the LGBT perspective, and whether it's a good range for my 171, 3.77.

Harvard
NYU
Columbia
Chicago (Waiver)
Penn
Michigan
Duke (Waiver)
Georgetown (Waiver)
Vanderbilt
William & Mary (Waiver)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on September 23, 2007, 07:01:09 PM
I finally got my list of shools to 10!  Let me know what you think from the LGBT perspective, and whether it's a good range for my 171, 3.77.

Harvard
NYU
Columbia
Chicago (Waiver)
Penn
Michigan
Duke (Waiver)
Georgetown (Waiver)
Vanderbilt
William & Mary (Waiver)

Congrats on narrowing your list!  I wish I had done that....  I visited Michigan, gulc, and vanderbilt last year so here are my random  thoughts:


Michigan- Much cooler than I thought it was before I visited.  Its kind of like cambridge in the middle of the midwest with a lot of football fans... As far as gay stuff goes:  There's only one gay bar and a club thats gay on one night but both are pretty busy.  Also Ann Arbor's the type of place where its not a big deal to see two people of the same gender dancing in staight clubs etc.  The administration is incredibly supportive of the LGBT students at the law school-- and there are A LOT of us.  The outlaws chapter is active and there are a ton of progressive student groups in the law school and on campus in general.

Georgetown- I was tempted to go there but when it came down to it I just couldn't go to a school affiliated with the Catholic church.  I liked the campus a lot but the catholic thing and the slightly worse job prospects led me to UM

Vanderbilt- Blah!  I was expecting to be really impressed when I visited and I was horrified.  Nashville is way too weird/county for me and the gay scene just seemed incredibly small and awkward.


Im telling you, apply to Michigan, you'll be surprised ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: LT10 on September 23, 2007, 08:48:16 PM
sorry, just tripped on this thread a minute ago.... i was actually looking for the "i have to take the LSAT this saturday" panick threads, but wanted to stop, say hi and ask a quick question....

...for those of you currently in LS now, did you put down that you were LGBT on your apps? did you write a diversity statement? and does it qualify as a URM thing?  i have been going back and forth for quite sometime about whether or not to disclose this part, and i would love some insights. thanks!!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on September 24, 2007, 03:01:20 AM
Quote
Im telling you, apply to Michigan, you'll be surprised

I'm definitely applying to Michigan, though I don't know that my chances of getting in are that good, but I think my current top 3 choices are Harvard, Columbia, and Michigan.

sorry, just tripped on this thread a minute ago.... i was actually looking for the "i have to take the LSAT this saturday" panick threads, but wanted to stop, say hi and ask a quick question....

...for those of you currently in LS now, did you put down that you were LGBT on your apps? did you write a diversity statement? and does it qualify as a URM thing?  i have been going back and forth for quite sometime about whether or not to disclose this part, and i would love some insights. thanks!!

I'm not in law school yet, but this seems to be the collective wisdom:
Certain schools ask on apps, always a good thing to say yes to.
Only put it into statements if you can show how it's affected you or will add diversity to the class, just don't come across as mentioning it for sme kind of URM like bump.
I wouldn't say it''s nearly as big a deal as URM, but it's definitely a plus at some schools.  If you go here: http://lsac.org/lsac/lgbt-frameset.html (http://lsac.org/lsac/lgbt-frameset.html), the schools with a dot on the far right hand column said yes to the question:Does the law school consider LGBT status as a positive factor in the admission decision?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on September 24, 2007, 07:37:54 AM
sorry, just tripped on this thread a minute ago.... i was actually looking for the "i have to take the LSAT this saturday" panick threads, but wanted to stop, say hi and ask a quick question....

...for those of you currently in LS now, did you put down that you were LGBT on your apps? did you write a diversity statement? and does it qualify as a URM thing?  i have been going back and forth for quite sometime about whether or not to disclose this part, and i would love some insights. thanks!!

I;m of the opinion that its a large part of most pepole's identity so i don't realy understand how it wouldn't 'come up' in a personal statement.  Though, I'd say just to do whatever is comfortable to you and whatever feels right.  I figured the point of admissions is to see if the school wants me there and that they should probably know as much about me as is possible from my application.   If a school was going to accept me but didn't bc I was gay: WONDERFUL, I'm glad I found that out upfront.  Conversely, if a school wasn't going to accept me but did because of some diversity situation thats great too ;)

WOW, I really need to get to con law.  ick!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: LT10 on September 24, 2007, 10:27:52 AM
its just that it doesn't really come up in my PS and i don't want to just seem like i am "throwing it in there" for some sort of extra points.  the truth is, i want to go into policy (so you can see how my "affiliation" may play into that), but i can't figure out how to get it into my admin package without just putting it into a diversity statement.  does having a lesbo in class really count as adding diversity?  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on September 24, 2007, 11:49:29 AM
its just that it doesn't really come up in my PS and i don't want to just seem like i am "throwing it in there" for some sort of extra points.  the truth is, i want to go into policy (so you can see how my "affiliation" may play into that), but i can't figure out how to get it into my admin package without just putting it into a diversity statement.  does having a lesbo in class really count as adding diversity?  ;)

Hah.  I think it does increase the diversity of view in a section and I think that's hugely important. A lot of people in law school come from pretty similar backgrounds and that can lead to stanant class discussion.  There was a prof. here who attended an outlaws meeting to recruit outlaws into his class because he thought that it would be useful to have an lgbt perspective when they discusses same-sex domestic voilence issues in the course.

Best of luck crafting your personal statement!  I think I spent a ridiculous amount of time expplaining my career change.  Then I got here and realized that about 50% of the class are former teachers!  What a waste of time! ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on September 24, 2007, 12:23:53 PM
its just that it doesn't really come up in my PS and i don't want to just seem like i am "throwing it in there" for some sort of extra points.  the truth is, i want to go into policy (so you can see how my "affiliation" may play into that), but i can't figure out how to get it into my admin package without just putting it into a diversity statement.  does having a lesbo in class really count as adding diversity?  ;)

YES!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 245 on September 24, 2007, 06:29:25 PM
I finally got my list of shools to 10!  Let me know what you think from the LGBT perspective, and whether it's a good range for my 171, 3.77.

Harvard
NYU
Columbia
Chicago (Waiver)
Penn
Michigan
Duke (Waiver)
Georgetown (Waiver)
Vanderbilt
William & Mary (Waiver)

What about putting Stanford on the list?  SLS is a wonderful place to be gay. :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on September 25, 2007, 12:28:31 AM
I finally got my list of shools to 10!  Let me know what you think from the LGBT perspective, and whether it's a good range for my 171, 3.77.

Harvard
NYU
Columbia
Chicago (Waiver)
Penn
Michigan
Duke (Waiver)
Georgetown (Waiver)
Vanderbilt
William & Mary (Waiver)

What about putting Stanford on the list?  SLS is a wonderful place to be gay. :)

To be honest, I'd love to go to Yale or Stanford, but I don't think I have the slightest chance at those or Harvard.  My thinking also goes along the lines of that if I got into either of those, I'd get into Harvard, and I think I'd choose Harvard/
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on September 25, 2007, 07:59:37 AM
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What about putting Stanford on the list?  SLS is a wonderful place to be gay.

This true? SLS always struck me as being really fratty/preppy, and kind of conservative. I'd be happy to hear that was a gross misimpression though.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 245 on September 25, 2007, 08:49:13 AM
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What about putting Stanford on the list?  SLS is a wonderful place to be gay.

This true? SLS always struck me as being really fratty/preppy, and kind of conservative. I'd be happy to hear that was a gross misimpression though.

Stanford is probably a bit frattier but much less preppy than HY.  We had one Federalist society, but other than that, the school is pretty liberal/progressive, with a slew of civil rights clubs, progressive societies, big liberal political presence, etc.

Our former dean, our dean of students, and our dean of admissions are all lesbians, and several of our famous profs are LGBT.  Our current student co-presidents are both LGBT.  Definitely welcoming.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on September 25, 2007, 11:09:43 AM
Hmmm...perhaps I will need to further investigate this Stan-ford.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on October 01, 2007, 01:38:55 AM
Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me out.

I've been conflicted about how or whether to include being gay on the application.  I was going to include it in a diversity statement, if they asked for one.  I was writing my DS, though, and it sort of ot long, and now I like it as a PS better than what I had planned for my PS.  I also like it because it will reduce how much they have to read.

Would anyone be willing to look it over and give me brutal feedback on if and how I should use it?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on October 01, 2007, 08:24:18 PM
Hey everyone, I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help me out.

I've been conflicted about how or whether to include being gay on the application.  I was going to include it in a diversity statement, if they asked for one.  I was writing my DS, though, and it sort of ot long, and now I like it as a PS better than what I had planned for my PS.  I also like it because it will reduce how much they have to read.

Would anyone be willing to look it over and give me brutal feedback on if and how I should use it?

Thanks!

Sure.  I'll take a look if you still need some feedback.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on October 01, 2007, 09:26:58 PM
I'm really not trying to make this thread all about me, but I had another question.

NYU's app has a question:

New York University School of Law seeks to enroll a student body from a broad spectrum of society, including members of groups underrepresented in the profession as well as persons who have experienced a socio-economic and/or educational disadvantage.  Please indicate here and such groups in which you would include yourself:

I'm thinking this includes gay, what do you guys think?  And if so, what would you put?  Gay?  Homosexual?  LGBT?

Thanks for any help!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Clean Watifah on October 05, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
I'm really not trying to make this thread all about me, but I had another question.

NYU's app has a question:

New York University School of Law seeks to enroll a student body from a broad spectrum of society, including members of groups underrepresented in the profession as well as persons who have experienced a socio-economic and/or educational disadvantage.  Please indicate here and such groups in which you would include yourself:

I'm thinking this includes gay, what do you guys think?  And if so, what would you put?  Gay?  Homosexual?  LGBT?

Thanks for any help!

Hi -M- .... not gonna answer your question...just wanted to link you to my LSN account since we're exact numbers twins:
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=JustPhyllis (http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=JustPhyllis)

...and to put in an early plug for Georgetown.  DC's a wonderful place.

(P.S.  I'm LGBT & was out in the application process)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: LT10 on October 05, 2007, 02:23:56 PM
okay, i am back again for help--- i cannot seem to put together a good diveristy statement. i have drafted three and trashed them all.  i just can't seem to capture how my being LGBT will help the classroom enviroment.   ???

do you still think it would be good to indicate the LGBT thing, even though i am not going to add a diversity statement? 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on October 05, 2007, 02:47:10 PM
I'm really not trying to make this thread all about me, but I had another question.

NYU's app has a question:

New York University School of Law seeks to enroll a student body from a broad spectrum of society, including members of groups underrepresented in the profession as well as persons who have experienced a socio-economic and/or educational disadvantage.  Please indicate here and such groups in which you would include yourself:

I'm thinking this includes gay, what do you guys think?  And if so, what would you put?  Gay?  Homosexual?  LGBT?

Thanks for any help!

Hi -M- .... not gonna answer your question...just wanted to link you to my LSN account since we're exact numbers twins:
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=JustPhyllis (http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=JustPhyllis)

...and to put in an early plug for Georgetown.  DC's a wonderful place.

(P.S.  I'm LGBT & was out in the application process)

Huh? Youre back?   how's gulc ?!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: SHolman08 on October 08, 2007, 11:28:37 PM
hello, im new to LSD, so I'm applying for fall 09, but starting to visit and get a list ready. Getting a resume updated, and taking lsat prep in march for the june lsat offering.

I want to go to law school in wisconsin (really like the idea of no bar exam after graduating), so that leaves u wisconsin and marquette. I'm hoping to get a low 160s score... est 159-163 but my gpa is 2.8 or 2.9 overall by the time i'll apply in september. * I'm also applying to UW grad school for MPA (public affairs) as well in case  i decide to do that first.

But anyway, in relation to the LGBTQ thread... when is it a good idea to tell a law school that you are gay? How would you state it in a statment? OR would it just be obvious from extracurricullar involvement?

thanks & best of luck to all of you!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on October 08, 2007, 11:58:32 PM
hello, im new to LSD, so I'm applying for fall 09, but starting to visit and get a list ready. Getting a resume updated, and taking lsat prep in march for the june lsat offering.

I want to go to law school in wisconsin (really like the idea of no bar exam after graduating), so that leaves u wisconsin and marquette. I'm hoping to get a low 160s score... est 159-163 but my gpa is 2.8 or 2.9 overall by the time i'll apply in september. * I'm also applying to UW grad school for MPA (public affairs) as well in case  i decide to do that first.

But anyway, in relation to the LGBTQ thread... when is it a good idea to tell a law school that you are gay? How would you state it in a statment? OR would it just be obvious from extracurricullar involvement?

thanks & best of luck to all of you!

When you register for the Candidate referral service, you can check a box indicating that you're part of the LGBT community.  After that, it depends.  Some schools ask on apps.  I put it in my personal statement because I think it's a huge part of how my life developed.  However you do it, you should try to mention it in away that doesn't seem as though yuo're mentioning it just to mention it.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: megs2828 on October 11, 2007, 11:12:51 AM
I'm really not trying to make this thread all about me, but I had another question.

NYU's app has a question:

New York University School of Law seeks to enroll a student body from a broad spectrum of society, including members of groups underrepresented in the profession as well as persons who have experienced a socio-economic and/or educational disadvantage.  Please indicate here and such groups in which you would include yourself:

I'm thinking this includes gay, what do you guys think?  And if so, what would you put?  Gay?  Homosexual?  LGBT?

Thanks for any help!

Don't say "homosexual" ... gay, lesbian, bi, queer... Not to sound harsh but if I were on an admissions committee and read an essay that said "I'm a homosexual" it would be an immediate red flag in the sense that if I were looking for a candidate who will bring more lgbt/queer perspectives to the classroom it shouldn't be one who still uses the term "homosexual." It's very clinical.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: megs2828 on October 11, 2007, 11:14:57 AM
New with the whole quote thing.... This are my words not M's:

Don't say "homosexual" ... use gay, lesbian, bi, queer... Not to sound harsh but if I were on an admissions committee and read an essay that said "I'm a homosexual" it would be an immediate red flag in the sense that if I were looking for a candidate who will bring more lgbt/queer perspectives to the classroom it shouldn't be one who still uses the term "homosexual." It's very clinical.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: megs2828 on October 11, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
Any knowlege/thoughts/perspectives on the queer friendliness of UVA? 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: doubledown on October 21, 2007, 09:42:34 PM
okay, i am back again for help--- i cannot seem to put together a good diveristy statement. i have drafted three and trashed them all.  i just can't seem to capture how my being LGBT will help the classroom enviroment.   ???

do you still think it would be good to indicate the LGBT thing, even though i am not going to add a diversity statement? 

Strangely enough I think i've put together a pretty darn good Diversity Statement but I am still in Personal Statement hell--keeping the statement focused seems to be really difficult for me

Anyway,  I feel like the DS should demonstrate how your unique perspective/experience will contribute to the classroom without sounding trite. In other words, your experiences should speak for themselves and allow the adcomms to draw their own conclusions about your contribution to the classroom.  I am in the same boat as you so I could very wrong--just a thought.


d*
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: . . . . . . on October 21, 2007, 09:43:39 PM
I guess I'm a noob, what does LGBT mean.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: . . . . . . on October 21, 2007, 09:49:26 PM
ohhh. I got it now. guess this isn't for me.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: doubledown on October 21, 2007, 09:51:34 PM
I guess I'm a noob, what does LGBT mean.


Oh my...reality check (for me, not him)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on October 22, 2007, 11:32:45 AM
I have a question for my fellow gays.

On American's application, one of their questions is:

"The law school seeks a diverse student body.  Please indiciate the racial, ethnic, cultural, or socioeconomic group to which you belong.  Please attach a separate statement explaining how your status is of special relevance to this application."

Would being gay warrant one to answer this question and write this essay?  My first reaction is, no, I guess unless being gay is considered a cultural group.  Thoughts?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on October 22, 2007, 12:59:28 PM
I have a question for my fellow gays.

On American's application, one of their questions is:

"The law school seeks a diverse student body.  Please indiciate the racial, ethnic, cultural, or socioeconomic group to which you belong.  Please attach a separate statement explaining how your status is of special relevance to this application."

Would being gay warrant one to answer this question and write this essay?  My first reaction is, no, I guess unless being gay is considered a cultural group.  Thoughts?

There was a question phrased like that on one of my apps (Columbia, I think) and I decided it didn't really fit.  And I think ti was worded somewhat more broadly than yours.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on October 22, 2007, 01:22:17 PM
I have a question for my fellow gays.

On American's application, one of their questions is:

"The law school seeks a diverse student body.  Please indiciate the racial, ethnic, cultural, or socioeconomic group to which you belong.  Please attach a separate statement explaining how your status is of special relevance to this application."

Would being gay warrant one to answer this question and write this essay?  My first reaction is, no, I guess unless being gay is considered a cultural group.  Thoughts?

There was a question phrased like that on one of my apps (Columbia, I think) and I decided it didn't really fit.  And I think ti was worded somewhat more broadly than yours.

That is what I expected.  Thanks!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: TresBienFait on October 22, 2007, 01:34:14 PM
Question: my understanding of the diversity addendum is that it's supposed to be VERY brief--that essentially schools are interested in knowing your minority status.  Is the addendum supposed to be an entire separate essay?  This thread has me a bit worried because my applications are submitted already.  I submitted an addendum to a few schools, and it was basically a short paragraph that said "I'm openly gay, this has shaped both my personal character and my political and social outlook, blah blah"  Is this going to hurt me?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on October 22, 2007, 01:44:28 PM
Question: my understanding of the diversity addendum is that it's supposed to be VERY brief--that essentially schools are interested in knowing your minority status.  Is the addendum supposed to be an entire separate essay?  This thread has me a bit worried because my applications are submitted already.  I submitted an addendum to a few schools, and it was basically a short paragraph that said "I'm openly gay, this has shaped both my personal character and my political and social outlook, blah blah"  Is this going to hurt me?

In essays other than the personal statement, they should only be long enough to convey the information in a meaningful way.  Does this mean it should be less than half a page?  No, but I generally wouldn't advise going more than 2 pages.

My diversity statement was actually a page and a half, and I actually turned it into my 2 page personal statement, since I felt they could get a feel for me as a person and the diverity I would bring, and if you don't have really good content to add, you don't want to bury the great content youhave with mediocre filler.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on October 22, 2007, 09:21:11 PM
Question: my understanding of the diversity addendum is that it's supposed to be VERY brief--that essentially schools are interested in knowing your minority status.  Is the addendum supposed to be an entire separate essay?  This thread has me a bit worried because my applications are submitted already.  I submitted an addendum to a few schools, and it was basically a short paragraph that said "I'm openly gay, this has shaped both my personal character and my political and social outlook, blah blah"  Is this going to hurt me?

you're forgetting that none of us know what the Hell we're talking about.  Don't sweat it, you'll be fine ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on October 23, 2007, 08:26:02 AM
Bouzie, hope things are going well at U of M.  :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: SHolman08 on October 23, 2007, 06:08:11 PM
hey thanks for the help/advice... i just got back from my visit to u of wisconsin law.. was a nice place and seemed to be rather progressive, being gay wouldnt probably even make any difference there compared to where im at in Mississippi-which is good! I think i had a lousy tour guide who was rather careless but the school is mostly remodeled and Madison is a great urban place to be.

Anybody else looking at UW-Madison?

Best of luck to you all!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on October 24, 2007, 12:01:22 PM
So...are you all including your GLBT diversity statements with all of your applications?

Some of my apps give you the opportunity to do so as an addendum, however, some don't.  Can I attach it to the apps that fall in the latter category?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: doubledown on October 25, 2007, 06:18:55 AM
So...are you all including your GLBT diversity statements with all of your applications?

Some of my apps give you the opportunity to do so as an addendum, however, some don't.  Can I attach it to the apps that fall in the latter category?

Yes--you can attach as many addenda as you'd like, although at a certain point the law of diminishing returns probably comes into play.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on October 25, 2007, 09:54:34 AM
So has anyone figured out which T14 has the hottest guys? This will be a major factor in my decision making. Thanks.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 06, 2007, 11:39:24 AM
How is everyone doing with their apps?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on November 06, 2007, 12:14:09 PM
Hey look! I only killed the thread for 12 days.

I've got 7 apps in, but I've stalled out on the finishing the rest. I tell myself every day that I'll finish my Yale 250 so I can focus on something else, but so far no such luck.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 06, 2007, 12:40:56 PM
I've sent out all 16 apps that I plan on doing.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 06, 2007, 01:03:50 PM
This thread goes through phases of high/low activity, it seems.

I am done all 9 of my applications (SUCH a relief).  I don't plan on applying anywhere else, unless I get a fee waiver from a school that would be worth applying to (although I don't see that happening at this stage in the game).

I wonder how long it is going to take to start hearing from schools.  Last year I didn't apply until late December/Early January, and I got most of my decisions between mid-February and mid-March.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 06, 2007, 01:13:15 PM
This thread goes through phases of high/low activity, it seems.

I am done all 9 of my applications (SUCH a relief).  I don't plan on applying anywhere else, unless I get a fee waiver from a school that would be worth applying to (although I don't see that happening at this stage in the game).

I wonder how long it is going to take to start hearing from schools.  Last year I didn't apply until late December/Early January, and I got most of my decisions between mid-February and mid-March.

That's what I though when I finished my initial 12.  And then it was like over the next two days I got Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Virginia.  And I felt obligated to apply.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 06, 2007, 01:42:47 PM
This thread goes through phases of high/low activity, it seems.

I am done all 9 of my applications (SUCH a relief).  I don't plan on applying anywhere else, unless I get a fee waiver from a school that would be worth applying to (although I don't see that happening at this stage in the game).

I wonder how long it is going to take to start hearing from schools.  Last year I didn't apply until late December/Early January, and I got most of my decisions between mid-February and mid-March.

That's what I though when I finished my initial 12.  And then it was like over the next two days I got Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, and Virginia.  And I felt obligated to apply.

Haha, I don't think I will be that lucky, but I guess it is never too late.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on November 06, 2007, 07:35:27 PM
good luck with your applications everyone!



btw- where did y'all apply to?

oh and if anyone wants to get a head start on the law school experience and bluebook my memo for me, that'd be great.


ps. Don't forget your Michigan application ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on November 07, 2007, 07:34:54 AM
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ps. Don't forget your Michigan application

I didn't. Hooray!

I'll bluebook whatever you want if you can hand-deliver these delicious homemade brownies to the admissions office for me. Thanks.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on November 07, 2007, 09:05:49 AM
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ps. Don't forget your Michigan application

I didn't. Hooray!

I'll bluebook whatever you want if you can hand-deliver these delicious homemade brownies to the admissions office for me. Thanks.

What makes you think that they'd eat them?  Then again, what makes you think that I WOULDN'T eat them?? ;)

How's your 250 coming?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on November 07, 2007, 12:25:10 PM
They don't have to eat them I guess, as long as they appreciate the gesture. Heck, you can just tell them that I sent you brownies, but you ate them. They can't really get mad at you, and it saves me the effort of actually having to, y'know, do anything.

The 250...ug. I've got the first paragraph and the last paragraph done. They're solid, I like them, I'm not changing a thing. The whole problem is coming up with a middle section that actually connects them. I'm having difficulties with this part, mostly because I'm not entirely sure what my essay is even supposed to be about. I'm seriously considering just hitting them with a strong opening and closing, then just filling up the middle with crazy gibberish.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 07, 2007, 01:03:30 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 07, 2007, 02:11:49 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?

I've heard of help, but nothing that remarkable.

I'm interested to see if I'll get into Catholic schools that should be safeties (Notre Dame, Georgetown) with my uber-gay application.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 07, 2007, 02:49:07 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?

I've heard of help, but nothing that remarkable.

I'm interested to see if I'll get into Catholic schools that should be safeties (Notre Dame, Georgetown) with my uber-gay application.

I don't think you'll have a problem at Georgetown...where was it that I was reading they were opening up a GLBT support center on campus next year?  ND, I am not sure about, they are known as the "Catholic Disneyworld" (Catholic families go there for vacation...literally).  However, I have a friend who is there now, and she said that there is a good mix of conservative and liberal people (like at most law schools, it seems), so I am sure the admissions office would like to get a good mix of people.

Interestingly enough, two of the Catholic schools to which I applied were the only schools that left the diversity question fairly open ended, and included sexual orientation as a factor among race, ethnicity, religion, etc.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 07, 2007, 03:05:03 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?

I've heard of help, but nothing that remarkable.

I'm interested to see if I'll get into Catholic schools that should be safeties (Notre Dame, Georgetown) with my uber-gay application.

I don't think you'll have a problem at Georgetown...where was it that I was reading they were opening up a GLBT support center on campus next year?  ND, I am not sure about, they are known as the "Catholic Disneyworld" (Catholic families go there for vacation...literally).  However, I have a friend who is there now, and she said that there is a good mix of conservative and liberal people (like at most law schools, it seems), so I am sure the admissions office would like to get a good mix of people.

Interestingly enough, two of the Catholic schools to which I applied were the only schools that left the diversity question fairly open ended, and included sexual orientation as a factor among race, ethnicity, religion, etc.

Wasn't Georgetown in an 8 year lawsuit for not allowing gay student groups?

I know ND is huge for Catholics, and Indiana residents as a whole.  My grandparents would take us there as kids to just take tours.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on November 07, 2007, 06:38:44 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?

I've heard of help, but nothing that remarkable.

I'm interested to see if I'll get into Catholic schools that should be safeties (Notre Dame, Georgetown) with my uber-gay application.

You'll be fine at Georgetown.  My PS had lots of 'gay stuff' in it and I got in with a pretty big scholarship. Oh, and if georgetown is a safety, why the hell are you applying to Notre Dame?  Northern Indiana is not too exciting... ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 07, 2007, 11:56:51 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?

I've heard of help, but nothing that remarkable.

I'm interested to see if I'll get into Catholic schools that should be safeties (Notre Dame, Georgetown) with my uber-gay application.

You'll be fine at Georgetown.  My PS had lots of 'gay stuff' in it and I got in with a pretty big scholarship. Oh, and if georgetown is a safety, why the hell are you applying to Notre Dame?  Northern Indiana is not too exciting... ;)

Realistically, I wouldn't have called it a safety at all when applying, but now that I'm in at Duke, I consider pretty much anything ranked worse to be a safety.  There was also a lot of family pressure involved which will not be adhered to when actually choosing a school.

I just got my Michigan complete letter in the mail today.  I guess it's good that they make sure you get it, but it's nerve-wracking to get a letter from them after I'd gotten a complete email a while ago.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 08, 2007, 05:22:48 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?

I've heard of help, but nothing that remarkable.

I'm interested to see if I'll get into Catholic schools that should be safeties (Notre Dame, Georgetown) with my uber-gay application.

You'll be fine at Georgetown.  My PS had lots of 'gay stuff' in it and I got in with a pretty big scholarship. Oh, and if georgetown is a safety, why the hell are you applying to Notre Dame?  Northern Indiana is not too exciting... ;)

I guess you were right, I got my acceptance letter today.  Even though the status check still lists my app as "complete."
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on November 08, 2007, 07:48:39 PM
Since this thread is alive again, I have to ask, has anyone ever heard of instances where someone was admitted to a reach school or even given a scholarship somewhere, and the reason/best guess for these things happening was that the applicant was gay?

I've heard of help, but nothing that remarkable.

I'm interested to see if I'll get into Catholic schools that should be safeties (Notre Dame, Georgetown) with my uber-gay application.

You'll be fine at Georgetown.  My PS had lots of 'gay stuff' in it and I got in with a pretty big scholarship. Oh, and if georgetown is a safety, why the hell are you applying to Notre Dame?  Northern Indiana is not too exciting... ;)

I guess you were right, I got my acceptance letter today.  Even though the status check still lists my app as "complete."

Congrats! 2 for 2!  ---- but don't go to those places ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 09, 2007, 08:43:07 AM
Congrats, M!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 09, 2007, 10:27:20 AM
Thanks guys!  ;D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Untypical Girl on November 10, 2007, 08:52:44 AM
Just started to read this thread - in the process of filling out my app's.

Love to the brothers and all, but ... Any other lesbians on this board?

Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 10, 2007, 09:10:43 AM
Just started to read this thread - in the process of filling out my app's.

Love to the brothers and all, but ... Any other lesbians on this board?



Welcome, Untypical (or should we call you Annie?)!  Good luck with your apps.  I think you are the first lesbian that's posted on this thread in a while, haha.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Miss P on November 10, 2007, 09:40:50 AM
Just started to read this thread - in the process of filling out my app's.

Love to the brothers and all, but ... Any other lesbians on this board?



Welcome, Untypical.  Lichtenstein is correct that the other ladies and I have pretty much abandoned this thread, but we're out there.  Let me know if you have any lesbo-specific questions. :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Roy Lichtenstein on November 10, 2007, 11:48:17 AM
Just started to read this thread - in the process of filling out my app's.

Love to the brothers and all, but ... Any other lesbians on this board?



my roomate and her girlfriend are lesbians... maybe that counts?

I know a lesbian.  Does that count as well?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Untypical Girl on November 11, 2007, 02:49:55 PM
Thanks for the welcoming comments - I read through a bunch of earlier posts and some of my questions were answered. Although it seems to me that more schools are now recruiting for diversity than in the past. I'm hoping that will play to my strengths as I have multiple non-trad factors. Older, LGBT activist, musician, with great work & life experience. I'd be curious to know if there are activist/outlaw types here, and what your LS experience has been like, both intellectually and socially.

I'm only applying to schools that identify as gay-friendly and offer at least one or two courses in gender/sexual identity issues. Will re-take LSAT in Dec, as I panicked in Sept and totally bombed the games section after months of study and practice tests. Will most likely go into public interest, so rankings don't matter much to me.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 22, 2007, 11:22:21 AM
So, this thread seems a bit quiet lately, so I thought I'd stop in and see how people are doing with their cycles.

I've gotten acceptances from Duke, Georgetown, and W&M (which offered a graduate fellowship).  My Vanderbilt status checker says my decision was mailed Tuesday and my Michigan status checker updated to decision today, so I'm really nervous about that.  I'm kind of wondering if I should call UCLA or NYU as I applied to them both 5-6 weeks ago and NYU said they had received it, but I've gotten no complete email, and UCLA never even sent me anything acknowledging my application, although my report was sent to them.

How is everyone else's cycle going?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: armada on November 23, 2007, 08:43:05 AM

How is everyone else's cycle going?

Maybe if I'd get my act together and apply, I would be able to answer this question.  Seriously, I think I'm so afraid of getting rejected to schools I really wanna go to that I can't get up the nerve to apply (stupid, I know).  Plus I'm probably retaking.

Anyway, hello to everyone on this board.  Congratulations on the acceptances.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on November 28, 2007, 03:08:33 PM
Untypical Girl - you should look into Northeastern. They have a great public interest program and incredible LGBTQ grads - they send me stuff all the time. One newsletter/magazine was all about their LGBTQ activist grads. I even got a letter with a small personalized note on the side from Mary Bonauto (The attorney in the Mass Marriage case). The Head of Lamda Legal (?) is also a Northeastern Grad.

Gotta love their lesbian/gay recruiting :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on November 28, 2007, 06:10:21 PM
Untypical Girl - you should look into Northeastern. They have a great public interest program and incredible LGBTQ grads - they send me stuff all the time. One newsletter/magazine was all about their LGBTQ activist grads. I even got a letter with a small personalized note on the side from Mary Bonauto (The attorney in the Mass Marriage case). The Head of Lamda Legal (?) is also a Northeastern Grad.

Gotta love their lesbian/gay recruiting :)

Seconded.  NE is a good option for public interest work and is notable for lgbt activism.  If I remember correctly, they also have a PI/advocacy fellowship that provides full tuition.  The only downside to NE is the proximity its in to so many other quality schools ---Harvard, BU, and BC. 

Also, Mary Bonauto is pretty damned cool; I heard her speak in a marriage forum about 3 years ago.   She kicked the other dude's ass.  Is she teaching adjunct anywhere?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on November 29, 2007, 08:20:48 AM


Also, Mary Bonauto is pretty damned cool; I heard her speak in a marriage forum about 3 years ago.   She kicked the other dude's ass.  Is she teaching adjunct anywhere?

I think she just works full time for GLAD. Would be awesome if she did...

This thread needs a jump start. So where are my fellow gays looking to go this cycle?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: annarborite on November 29, 2007, 08:31:57 AM
Check out my list on LSN.  I only sprinkled a little bit of gayness on my apps., though.   :P
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on November 29, 2007, 08:39:56 AM
I've applied to Harvard, Stanford, CLS, NYU, Chicago, Michigan, Duke, and UT. Might add a couple more later on. Top choices are NYU and CLS- I really want to be in New York, in no small part because it's so gay-friendly. I'm a little sick of not having any gay friends outside of my boyfriend.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on November 29, 2007, 08:42:12 AM
Check out my list on LSN.  I only sprinkled a little bit of gayness on my apps., though.   :P


Wow you're all over the place. I hope you get into Mich. That would be a great great place to spend the next 3 years.

Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on November 29, 2007, 08:43:52 AM
I've applied to Harvard, Stanford, CLS, NYU, Chicago, Michigan, Duke, and UT. Might add a couple more later on. Top choices are NYU and CLS- I really want to be in New York, in no small part because it's so gay-friendly. I'm a little sick of not having any gay friends outside of my boyfriend.

Like New York. Love Chicago. Really Really Love DC. (My heart is set on Penn though...Philly isn't too bad).
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: annarborite on November 29, 2007, 08:45:07 AM
Yeah I am all over the place.  MI is a super reach obviously.  We'll see. 

It is a great place.  I've spent the last 6+ years here.  In that way, I wouldn't be totally opposed to a change. 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 29, 2007, 05:40:08 PM
In at Vanderbilt & Michigan!  I'm actually getting choices.  I'm going to need advice.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on November 29, 2007, 06:07:58 PM
In at Vanderbilt & Michigan!  I'm actually getting choices.  I'm going to need advice.


uhmmm of your choices so far, there is no choice ;)
You should google the UM outlaws.  we're good people.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 29, 2007, 06:47:46 PM
I just put the DVD in and WOW, I think you're right.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on November 29, 2007, 08:32:11 PM
I just put the DVD in and WOW, I think you're right.


It sounds like you guys got a much cooler DVD than we got last year.  Does yours have that kind of strange first-person video game where you get to walk through campus?  I used to kill lots of time with that at work
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on November 29, 2007, 08:42:40 PM
I just put the DVD in and WOW, I think you're right.


It sounds like you guys got a much cooler DVD than we got last year.  Does yours have that kind of strange first-person video game where you get to walk through campus?  I used to kill lots of time with that at work

Not that I saw.  It seems to just be a video.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: SHolman08 on December 01, 2007, 02:26:59 AM
hey everyone, wanted to know if anyone knows about lgbt life and miami area law schools.. fl int'l, nova, and u miami ... im visiting them in late december and just seeing what to look for when i go..

thanks!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 01, 2007, 03:17:25 PM
Im actually visiting Miami this weekend. I would imagine it's very queer friendly..I mean it's Miami.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: bakongo on December 03, 2007, 06:09:25 PM
I would think Miami is a better place for the boys though. From what I hear there's not a large/visible lesbian population there.

Does anyone know which schools besides Michigan have a strong/active Outlaw group?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 03, 2007, 06:16:12 PM
Penn
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: bakongo on December 04, 2007, 04:42:10 PM
Penn
Ok, I've also heard good things about them.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on December 04, 2007, 06:06:02 PM
Penn does seem pretty good in that regard, I wish I could get over my totally unfounded, utterly irrational dislike of the school.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 'tiki on December 04, 2007, 08:23:23 PM
Penn is awesome! And the LGBT community at the law school and Philly in general is pretty good. Plus we have the best Lambda Law.  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ashkicker77 on December 07, 2007, 02:21:27 PM
This may be a stupid question, but does my status as a lesbian give me URM status?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on December 07, 2007, 03:17:10 PM
This may be a stupid question, but does my status as a lesbian give me URM status?

Not URM per se, but if you go here: http://lsac.org/lsac/lgbt-frameset.html (http://lsac.org/lsac/lgbt-frameset.html) and look under the far right column, you can see which schools said yes to the question:Does the law school consider LGBT status as a positive factor in the admission decision?

Indicating obstacles or other issues related to being LGBT in a personal or diversity statement probably makes a big difference.  Very few schools ask you, and if you just throw it out there without context you seem to be fishing for  minority boost.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 17, 2007, 01:20:15 PM
Penn Law it is!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: 'tiki on December 17, 2007, 03:17:38 PM
Penn Law it is!

Welcome! PM me with any questions you might have.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Sarahpi on December 26, 2007, 08:57:25 PM
Hi all! I posted a few months ago, but haven't been on LSD for a while; I've been buried under LSAT review materials, and then under application materials.

But now all my applications are in, and I have time to breathe. Which so far, I've been using to check LSN obsessively. But since someone posted asking if any queer girls are on here- Yes! I'm hopefully going to be posting a lot more as I wait to hear from my schools.

For anyone who's interested- my 2nd LSAT score was 174 (first 165.) I went to a crazy hippie undergrad that doesn't do letter/number grades, so I don't have a GPA; I'm hoping having a solid LSAT will help me out in this regard. I applied to Columbia, NYU, Boalt, Penn, UVA, Cornell, Northwestern, Fordham, Cardozo, and Hastings; I'm still considering throwing in applications at Emory, Michigan and UNC (in-state.)

I also think it's pretty likely that due to my weird no-GPA-having transcript, I'll wait a long time for responses; but we'll see. I've been complete everywhere for a few weeks and nothing yet, except Boalt letting me know that I've passed through their preliminary round and should get a verdict mid-February.

Looking forward to sharing the cycle with all of you!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on December 26, 2007, 09:04:05 PM
Hi all! I posted a few months ago, but haven't been on LSD for a while; I've been buried under LSAT review materials, and then under application materials.

But now all my applications are in, and I have time to breathe. Which so far, I've been using to check LSN obsessively. But since someone posted asking if any queer girls are on here- Yes! I'm hopefully going to be posting a lot more as I wait to hear from my schools.

For anyone who's interested- my 2nd LSAT score was 174 (first 165.) I went to a crazy hippie undergrad that doesn't do letter/number grades, so I don't have a GPA; I'm hoping having a solid LSAT will help me out in this regard. I applied to Columbia, NYU, Boalt, Penn, UVA, Cornell, Northwestern, Fordham, Cardozo, and Hastings; I'm still considering throwing in applications at Emory, Michigan and UNC (in-state.)

I also think it's pretty likely that due to my weird no-GPA-having transcript, I'll wait a long time for responses; but we'll see. I've been complete everywhere for a few weeks and nothing yet, except Boalt letting me know that I've passed through their preliminary round and should get a verdict mid-February.

Looking forward to sharing the cycle with all of you!

Congrats!! That's an awesome increase!! Hope to see you at Penn  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Sarahpi on December 26, 2007, 10:49:49 PM
Thanks! I don't know much at all about Penn except that I have an unfounded affection for it, based only on LSD/other internet sources. If I get in, I'll definitely be visiting.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 04, 2008, 11:14:07 AM
This thread needs a kick start....

Where are my fellow LGBTs leaning these days?

Thoughts on Iowa? Who will get your vote?

I personally love Kucinich. He gets my primary vote. But I will vote for whomever the Dem nominee is with the exception of Edwards (I'll have to think about that one). I go back and forth between Obama and Hillary.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: RedNinja on January 06, 2008, 11:09:49 PM
Hey there fellow LGBTers! I've been meaning to post here for ages, just never got around to making an account.

Here's a few words of encouragement and hope.

During my phone interview with Toby Stock (Dean of Admissions at Harvard) I gave him a REALLY hard time over how law school apps' insistence on having a binary (Male/Female) option for gender discourages transgender applicants from pursuing law school, and how disappointed I was with the Harvard Law admission office for not taking the initiative in creating an open gender option on their app. He rewarded me with an offer of admission =)

I'm male, BTW, not transgender.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 07, 2008, 07:18:09 AM
Good for you Red Ninja! I feel as though a law schools application format can be very telling when it comes to their LGBTQ considerations. The other one that really gets to me is the Mother/Father binary. Is it so hard to say Parent/Guardian? Or at least add that as an option. If I had two parents of the same gender that would really get to me after a while...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 07, 2008, 05:02:32 PM
Hi fellow LGBTQ applicants! I just discovered this website so I'm new here! I am currently waiting to hear back from law schools... quite the anxiety provoking experience as I'm sure you are all aware!

I am curious if anyone has experienced the effect (positive or negative) of "coming out" on the application.  My optional/diversity statement is about my coming out experience - as I am from a family of fundamentalist christians from the midwest, it was not an easy experience, to say the least! 

I would appreciate any words of wisdom!  :)

That will be seen as a significantly positive factor at schools like Penn, Michigan, Cornell, UIUC, Berkeley, and some likely other T14s I don't have personal knowledge of - I would imagine NYU. I discussed coming out in my DS and my commitment to LGBT issues/causes/equality in my PS. I think that went a long way for Penn...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: RedNinja on January 07, 2008, 10:33:05 PM
About half of my personal statement was about being able to come out at Berkeley and my work in building inclusive communities and fighting for gay-rights since then. I've had pretty positive experiences at the law schools I applied to =p
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 08, 2008, 06:31:10 PM
Hi fellow LGBTQ applicants! I just discovered this website so I'm new here! I am currently waiting to hear back from law schools... quite the anxiety provoking experience as I'm sure you are all aware!

I am curious if anyone has experienced the effect (positive or negative) of "coming out" on the application.  My optional/diversity statement is about my coming out experience - as I am from a family of fundamentalist christians from the midwest, it was not an easy experience, to say the least! 

I would appreciate any words of wisdom!  :)

Mine wasn't about a "coming out" experience per se, but was about issues I faced as a result of not being able to come out, so I guess that kind of counts.  I don't think it hurt at all, I would just caution to make is eminently clear that you are talking about this as a defining part of what makes you the person that you are, rather than a sob story meant to garner sympathy - not that you would do that, but if not written carefully it can come off that way

Good luck!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Sarahpi on January 08, 2008, 07:30:43 PM
I did a DS in which I mentioned coming out in high school and how it impacted my experience of high school/college- I hope it's on the "informative, sharing who I am" side of things, not the "take pity!" variety.

Got my first acceptance today! Cardozo, full tuition + stipend. It's pretty great to know I'm going to law school!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 08, 2008, 07:35:43 PM
I did a DS in which I mentioned coming out in high school and how it impacted my experience of high school/college- I hope it's on the "informative, sharing who I am" side of things, not the "take pity!" variety.

Got my first acceptance today! Cardozo, full tuition + stipend. It's pretty great to know I'm going to law school!

Congrats Saraphi!! That's awesome. I hope you come to Penn though  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 08, 2008, 09:22:31 PM
A question regarding financial aid...

Since coming out, my relationship with my parents has been VERY rocky.  They have refused to provide me with any financial assistance for law school, even in the form of loans, though they could afford it.  I understand many law schools consider applicants dependent and ask for parent info - which is really going to hurt me.  I don't make much money myself and could reallyyyyy use some aid.  Is there any way I could get around giving the schools my parents' financial info since they will be giving me no help whatsoever??



You're going to have to give it, but I'll bet they would consider an addendum on the matter.  I would also suggest calling schools you're accepted to and seeing what they can do for you.  The worst that can happen is that they say no.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: RedNinja on January 09, 2008, 06:23:58 AM
I concur here. I don't know about "most" law schools, but the top schools won't let you not go (yeah, double-negative) because of financial reasons, and will work with you to make sure you can find the loans you need to attend. That vibe comes off really strong at HYS in particular, but I'm pretty sure it spans the top-14 (except maybe Georgetown)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 09, 2008, 07:40:44 AM
A question regarding financial aid...

Since coming out, my relationship with my parents has been VERY rocky.  They have refused to provide me with any financial assistance for law school, even in the form of loans, though they could afford it.  I understand many law schools consider applicants dependent and ask for parent info - which is really going to hurt me.  I don't make much money myself and could reallyyyyy use some aid.  Is there any way I could get around giving the schools my parents' financial info since they will be giving me no help whatsoever??


When you fill out FAFSA for grad school you are always considered "independent" by the government's standards and you have the *option* of including your parents financial information. You don't have to fill their info out unless your parents plan to claim you as a dependent - you might have to fill it out then. If they haven't filed their taxes yet AND if you've had a source of personal income this year, I would tell them you are filing as independent and not to claim you (if that's a possibility).

Law schools try to consider you as if you were dependent for what they believe to be the benefit of most students. Becausue the government/Fafsa considers all grad students as independent when awarding aid, law schools have become very sensitive to this knowing that law students are different than most other grad students and don't have the option of working - we are essentially "dependent" and for most that is on parents/relatives.

Many schools have their own financial aid forms in addition to Fafsa that you must fill out. They typically ask for estimated contributions from family members and relatives - you can address your situation here but like the above poster said, I would write an addendum as well. Sometimes they even ask for "any additional information that can help them in evaluating your financial need"  - this shows that they are at least aware of different situations that aren't addressed by the form.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on January 10, 2008, 08:22:26 PM
Hi guys! I don't know if I have introduced myself in this thread yet but I'm a 1L at Michigan - if you have any questions about Outlaws here or about being LGBT at Michigan or about anything having to do with Michigan, feel free to PM me or one of the several other LGBT Michigan 1Ls and 2Ls who post here or have posted here in the past... I think most of us are still around even if it's under a different name.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 10, 2008, 09:00:01 PM
Hi guys! I don't know if I have introduced myself in this thread yet but I'm a 1L at Michigan - if you have any questions about Outlaws here or about being LGBT at Michigan or about anything having to do with Michigan, feel free to PM me or one of the several other LGBT Michigan 1Ls and 2Ls who post here or have posted here in the past... I think most of us are still around even if it's under a different name.


You should listen to her.  Her roommate is DEAD SEXY.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: playingthewaitinggame on January 12, 2008, 06:55:57 AM
Hey guys,

I just joined this site, actually with the sole purpose of posting in this thread :).  I'm hoping for a bit of insight in the list my schools are shaping into.  The situation is, I'm not really out (working on it...), so I sort of am stuck in a bit of a behind-the-scenes researching.  But I saw this thread and thought it might be helpful.  I just don't want to end up in a place that really is not LGBTQ-friendly (especially since a lot of my schools are in the south) just because I didn't feel comfortable openly asking about it.

Anyway, I'm female, gay, right out of college and here's where I've gotten in so far:

Fordham, GWU, Georgetown, Michigan, UWashington, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Texas, Emory, WashU, and UNC, OSU

I'm still pending at:  NYU, Columbia, Duke, UVa, UChicago, BU, USC

Based on my LSAT/GPA (168/3.9) and just where I can realistically see myself going, I'd say my serious considerations at this point are:  Michigan, Texas, Vanderbilt, and Duke and UVa (if I can get in(.

If anyone has annnnyyy info about them, or schools I'm neglecting that i really shouldn't be, I'd be incredibly appreciative.  I know Michigan is well known for being a great LBGTQ community, but haven't heard all that much about the others, and I'm a hesitant about the schools in the south, as well as any catholic-affiliated schools (I've heard that has an impact, true?)


whew, that was long.
Thanks for any help anyone can provide :)

p.s. PM's also welcome
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: RedNinja on January 13, 2008, 02:21:55 AM
Anyway, I'm female, gay, right out of college and here's where I've gotten in so far:

Fordham, GWU, Georgetown, Michigan, UWashington, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Texas, Emory, WashU, and UNC, OSU

I'm still pending at:  NYU, Columbia, Duke, UVa, UChicago, BU, USC

Wow, you've done really well this season, congratulations on all your amazing acceptances! I'd have to say, of all the schools you've gotten in so far, Michigan, Georgetown and UCLA are the three that stand out as schools you should definitely consider. Michigan is definitely one of the most pro-LGBT schools out there - Dean Zearfoss herself sent me an e-mail about the community and hooked me up with the OUTLAW people at Michigan to help me feel at home.

The two major Southern-Cal schools (UCLA and USC) both make a strong effort to be LGBT-friendly - USC especially used to be very conservative but has had a profound shift towards acceptance over the last few years. It's one of the few schools that openly encourages applicants to discuss the hardship associated with coming out on their personal statement. Georgetown is large and in Washington DC, thus also having a very welcoming community. Same thing holds for NYU (good luck with that app!), as their admissions is very LGBT-friendly, and so is New York City.

I can't really speak too much to any of the other schools due to lack of personal experience.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 13, 2008, 12:30:46 PM

Anyway, I'm female, gay, right out of college and here's where I've gotten in so far:

Fordham, GWU, Georgetown, Michigan, UWashington, UCLA, Vanderbilt, Texas, Emory, WashU, and UNC, OSU

I'm still pending at:  NYU, Columbia, Duke, UVa, UChicago, BU, USC

Based on my LSAT/GPA (168/3.9) and just where I can realistically see myself going, I'd say my serious considerations at this point are:  Michigan, Texas, Vanderbilt, and Duke and UVa (if I can get in(.

If anyone has annnnyyy info about them, or schools I'm neglecting that i really shouldn't be, I'd be incredibly appreciative.  I know Michigan is well known for being a great LBGTQ community, but haven't heard all that much about the others, and I'm a hesitant about the schools in the south, as well as any catholic-affiliated schools (I've heard that has an impact, true?)


whew, that was long.
Thanks for any help anyone can provide :)

p.s. PM's also welcome

You should consider Penn and Berkeley. Of the 5 schools you're most serious about I would say Michigan is the most LGBTQ-friendly. You should check out the info for LGBT applicants on LSAC. http://www.lsac.org/SpecialInterests/lgbt-chart.asp I believe the NLGLA surveyed schools on 5-6 points (status positive admissions factor, domestic partner benefites, openly LGBT staff, LGBT student organizations, course offerings pertaining to LGBT issues...) Some schools have a star in every category like Michigan, Penn, Berkeley, (Most T14s w/ the exception of Gtown & UVA) ...others only have 1 star.  I think it's also very telling when schools have an actual box for LGBT applicants to check - I know that Michigan, Penn, Cornell, OSU, Illinois (to name a few) all have this on their applications.

UVA, Chicago, and Duke seem to get the worst rep of the T14 when it comes to queer friendliness but it doesn't necessarily mean they're bad - it's just in comparison to the other T14 schools who are for the most part very very LGBT friendly and consider it to be a positive factor in admissions.

On a side note, I had a friend who was just coming out after college/before law school - he went to Vanderbilt his 1st year and had a really really hard time there. Everyone's different but he didn't think it was the best environment for people who are just starting to come out and it ended up pushing him back in the closet more. He transferred to Penn after his 1st year and said it was like night and day.

Hope this helps a little.

Congrats on a great cycle so far!!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: demandsatisfaction on January 14, 2008, 09:13:49 PM
Hi guys! I don't know if I have introduced myself in this thread yet but I'm a 1L at Michigan - if you have any questions about Outlaws here or about being LGBT at Michigan or about anything having to do with Michigan, feel free to PM me or one of the several other LGBT Michigan 1Ls and 2Ls who post here or have posted here in the past... I think most of us are still around even if it's under a different name.


You should listen to her.  Her roommate is DEAD SEXY.

I love that I could place who you are within 5 seconds of reading the quotation in your signature.  And then I cried because I miss con law.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on January 16, 2008, 09:26:12 AM
HI demandsatisfaction!!!!!!

See? Michigan gays > other gays
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: playingthewaitinggame on January 17, 2008, 09:04:05 AM
Thank you to RedNinja and Outlaw for the replies and everyone who sent me a PM (I'm about to respond to those next).

well seems like it's 10 million votes for michigan, haha.  That's interesting, really. Seems like anyone that goes to michigan is absolutely in love with it.  I had originally been very set on moving to the south...but i guess I should really consider the implications of it a bit. 

I'm surprised/disappointed about Vanderbilt, as explicated by outlaw.  I applied for the full tuition/stipend scholarship there (not that I'm really expecting it to begin with), my point being, I actually had it very highly ranked on my list. 

It's not that I don't want to go to Michigan, because more and more it sounds really lovely, I just have a few...concerns regarding it, I suppose, which maybe you guys could address. 

The first is, and this is going to sound a little silly, I think, but I go to a not very challenging (I'm trying to pick my words wisely...) UG, haha.  Point being, it's not the most difficult atmosphere and the students here aren't especially motivated and diligent, etc.  So I'm wondering how much of a shock it'll be to go from what would be the equivalent of a low T2 school into a top 10 school. Has anyone been in a similar situation?  I'm worried about the adapting to the situation, I guess...I have a feeling it's going to be a huuuuge change, and i guess I'm a tad worried about keeping up, maybe?  I don't know, maybe that doesnt even make sense.

Also, I'm a little worried about the money.  Considering I have no chance of scholarship, that's going to be a whole lot of money, which is why Texas is extremely appealing...after scholarships, it's only 14k a year tuition + really low cost of living in the area. 

And finally....it's cold, yo..right?!

So that's where I'm at....I really originally hadn't seriously considered michigan until I got in...mostly because I hadn't expected to get in to begin with.

But since you guys love talking about michigan so much (;)) maybe you could help address those things, if you wouldn't mind?

also...if anyone had any info on University of Texas and/or Austin specifically, it'd be spectacular :)

sooooooo much appreciation for any help :)
thanks again
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on January 17, 2008, 09:31:05 AM
Well, this is coming from a 0L, but I have two family members who went to Michigan Law, and I lived in Austin for a while. So my 2 cents: Law school is going to be hard work no matter where you go, and your fellow students will certainly be motivated and diligent, so you might as well start getting used to the idea that it won't be like your UG. However, everything I have heard from everyone I know at Michigan indicates that it is the most laid back of the top law schools, that is is very gay friendly, that the campus and facilities are beautiful, and that Ann Arbor is fun. Basically, the only knock against it that I know of is the weather, and that isn't a deciding factor for most people. My personal opinion is that you have not drunk deeply from the well of life until you have roughed it through a midwestern winter, but I understand most people aren't coming with me on that one.

As for UT, I don't know much about the law school itself, but Austin is a fabulous place to live (and I'm not someone who just throws around the word fabulous, FYI.) The city and the people are very attractive. There are tons of things to do: great food, bars, music, film festivals, you name it. Even though it's in Texas, the city itself is liberal and very gay friendly. I actually think the fact that it's in Texas makes it a little more genuinely liberal and friendly than some otherwise similar areas, and in any case Texas isn't really as bad as its reputation might suggest. Now, compared to Michigan, UT might present a drop-off in professional prestige and opportunities, but I assume you can look into that on your own. Otherwise, in my book the only factor working against UT is...wait for it...the weather. 'Cause it be hot as *&^% down there. Personally, I'd rather go through a midwestern winter than a Texas summer, but Austin is certainly more pleasant on average than Michigan (although it can offer nothing like a Michigan fall). Ultimately, if you go to either place you'll be dealing with the kind of weather extremes that will cause people to be impressed when they find out you suffered through them. Which is really the point of everything, isn't it?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 17, 2008, 10:25:22 AM
Thank you to RedNinja and Outlaw for the replies and everyone who sent me a PM (I'm about to respond to those next).

well seems like it's 10 million votes for michigan, haha.  That's interesting, really. Seems like anyone that goes to michigan is absolutely in love with it.  I had originally been very set on moving to the south...but i guess I should really consider the implications of it a bit. 

I'm surprised/disappointed about Vanderbilt, as explicated by outlaw.  I applied for the full tuition/stipend scholarship there (not that I'm really expecting it to begin with), my point being, I actually had it very highly ranked on my list. 

It's not that I don't want to go to Michigan, because more and more it sounds really lovely, I just have a few...concerns regarding it, I suppose, which maybe you guys could address. 

The first is, and this is going to sound a little silly, I think, but I go to a not very challenging (I'm trying to pick my words wisely...) UG, haha.  Point being, it's not the most difficult atmosphere and the students here aren't especially motivated and diligent, etc.  So I'm wondering how much of a shock it'll be to go from what would be the equivalent of a low T2 school into a top 10 school. Has anyone been in a similar situation?  I'm worried about the adapting to the situation, I guess...I have a feeling it's going to be a huuuuge change, and i guess I'm a tad worried about keeping up, maybe?  I don't know, maybe that doesnt even make sense.

Also, I'm a little worried about the money.  Considering I have no chance of scholarship, that's going to be a whole lot of money, which is why Texas is extremely appealing...after scholarships, it's only 14k a year tuition + really low cost of living in the area. 

And finally....it's cold, yo..right?!

So that's where I'm at....I really originally hadn't seriously considered michigan until I got in...mostly because I hadn't expected to get in to begin with.

But since you guys love talking about michigan so much (;)) maybe you could help address those things, if you wouldn't mind?

also...if anyone had any info on University of Texas and/or Austin specifically, it'd be spectacular :)

sooooooo much appreciation for any help :)
thanks again

Michigan is great but you should apply to Penn as well!!!!!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: playingthewaitinggame on January 17, 2008, 10:45:11 AM
Michigan is great but you should apply to Penn as well!!!!!

haha.  I'm from outside philly.  My goal is to get away ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: TUPl on January 17, 2008, 01:38:37 PM
This is my first post - so, um, Hi everyone!  Since I too have experience living in Austin, , I thought I'd add my $.02 to the current discussion.  

I agree with Ulfrekr 100% - Austin is a great place to live and definitely gay friendly.  In my experience/opinion Austin's gay community is not so much oriented around the club/bar scene (just an observation, not a judgement), but there seems to be quite a bit of involvement in other social acitivities like outdoor recreation, sports, theater, music, etc.  

I don't have much experience with the UT Law School, but I did attend UT for grad school and it's a great school as a whole - though maybe a bit overenthusiastic about their football team.  I felt the school was very supportive of the LGBTQ community.  Also, FWIW a close friend of my boyfriend went to UT Law, and now has a very good job with biglaw in NYC.  From all that I've read and heard, it's a great school.  But, as mentioned before, Michigan is more highly regarded and will probably offer more opportunities.

Just as an aside, playingthewaiting, you and I have very similar LSAT/GPA numbers and your success is very encouraging (we also applied to many of the same schools).  I completed my apps a little later in the cycle, so I'm still waiting to hear from anyone.  I hope I'll soon have to struggle with the same difficult decisions you're facing now.  :)        

Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 17, 2008, 05:55:56 PM
Thank you to RedNinja and Outlaw for the replies and everyone who sent me a PM (I'm about to respond to those next).

well seems like it's 10 million votes for michigan, haha.  That's interesting, really. Seems like anyone that goes to michigan is absolutely in love with it.  I had originally been very set on moving to the south...but i guess I should really consider the implications of it a bit. 

I'm surprised/disappointed about Vanderbilt, as explicated by outlaw.  I applied for the full tuition/stipend scholarship there (not that I'm really expecting it to begin with), my point being, I actually had it very highly ranked on my list. 

It's not that I don't want to go to Michigan, because more and more it sounds really lovely, I just have a few...concerns regarding it, I suppose, which maybe you guys could address. 

The first is, and this is going to sound a little silly, I think, but I go to a not very challenging (I'm trying to pick my words wisely...) UG, haha.  Point being, it's not the most difficult atmosphere and the students here aren't especially motivated and diligent, etc.  So I'm wondering how much of a shock it'll be to go from what would be the equivalent of a low T2 school into a top 10 school. Has anyone been in a similar situation?  I'm worried about the adapting to the situation, I guess...I have a feeling it's going to be a huuuuge change, and i guess I'm a tad worried about keeping up, maybe?  I don't know, maybe that doesnt even make sense.

Also, I'm a little worried about the money.  Considering I have no chance of scholarship, that's going to be a whole lot of money, which is why Texas is extremely appealing...after scholarships, it's only 14k a year tuition + really low cost of living in the area. 

And finally....it's cold, yo..right?!

So that's where I'm at....I really originally hadn't seriously considered michigan until I got in...mostly because I hadn't expected to get in to begin with.

But since you guys love talking about michigan so much (;)) maybe you could help address those things, if you wouldn't mind?

also...if anyone had any info on University of Texas and/or Austin specifically, it'd be spectacular :)

sooooooo much appreciation for any help :)
thanks again


re acamdeics at Michigan.  It's intense, and, coming from a tiny state school, i was a bit intimidated at first.  A lot of my friends went to Harvard, Yale etc.  and I was convinced I couldn't compete.  Turns out, they don't really have all that much of an advantage.  Also, there are a sizeable number of people here who went to good, but less-than great schools (eg., Michigan State).  I wouldn't worry about that too much.

I do have to say that one of our profs used to teach at a T2 school and gave us a practice exam from there.  It was RIDICULOUSLY easy, and our actual exam basically made people cry.  So I do think there's at least some difference in expectations and performance at T2 and T14 schools.

Good luck w your choice and GO BLUE!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on January 17, 2008, 08:02:53 PM
I agree w/ Bouzie on that point - everybody here, no matter where they went to undergrad or how many years they've been out of school or how high their GPA was or how high their LSAT score was, has to work ridiculously hard if they want to do well. There are a lot of "wicked" ( :P like that usage Bouzie?) smart people here, and they went to all types of schools. If you're prepared to do the work and be challenged on a daily basis and not give up easily, you'll be fine. To be honest, I still don't know where most people went for undergrad, except for my friends, and even then it seems like I am always forgetting :P .

In any case, I went to a top 10 undergrad and definitely don't feel like I have any advantage b/c of that. I'd like to think I am doing ok here because I work hard and am half-way smart (although some of my profs make me question this assumption on a regular basis :P ).
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 17, 2008, 09:31:43 PM
Cornell's a pretty awesome place.

Um, yea...go Big Red?

::retreats from cave of rabid wolverines::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on January 18, 2008, 05:41:19 PM
Just got my first official response today- I'm in at U Chicago! It seems sort of like the mystery date of law schools, since people don't seem to talk about it as much as the other T6. I used to live in Chicago, so I know it's cool, but does anything know what the actual school is like, particularly for us 'mos?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on January 18, 2008, 06:18:55 PM
Chicago (the city) is amazing. One of my favorite cities. I really need to move there one day. As for the law school - don't know too much about it. I've heard "conservative" associated with it a lot. But you can only take that for what it's worth i.e. it's a very relative term - so what's "conservative" compared to other T14 law schools may not be that conservative by most standards. It has 4 of the 5 LGBT items checked on the LSAC chart - that's pretty good. ("Openly LGBT faculty" wasn't checked - hmm). When I was looking at schools I made a point to go to the LGBT student org site for each prospective school and if any of the members/officers had email addresses, I sent them an email with some questions. I found that students were more than willing to share their experiences and seemed extremely honest - one T1 school in the South basically said there are about 3 other out gay students in the entire law school and there's zero social life but people for the most part were accepting. I didn't contact anyone at Chicago though :( I really recommend doing that.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: RedNinja on January 19, 2008, 05:14:32 PM
Congrats on Chicago!! I'm hoping to hear from them soon as well =)

Although Chicago is known to be the "conservative" T14 school, it's conservative economically and not socially from what I understand. They're really into economics there.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 19, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
Congrats on Chicago!! I'm hoping to hear from them soon as well =)

Although Chicago is known to be the "conservative" T14 school, it's conservative economically and not socially from what I understand. They're really into economics there.

Blahhhhhhhh law+economics Blaghhhhhhhhhhhh.

Congrats on Chicago!  You might try calling the admissions office and asking to speak to someone in their LGBT group.  Anecdotally, I have one friend at Chicago who says she has no gay friends, which I think is pretty weird.  I mean, here, you'd have to actively try to end up not having gay friends.  Then again, I got a feeling that our student groups were more active in general.  Maybe its just because we only have each other while they have an entire city of awesomness.

Definitely call! and again, congratulations!!!! UC is an amazing school :)!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 19, 2008, 08:33:19 PM
Cornell's a pretty awesome place.

Um, yea...go Big Red?

::retreats from cave of rabid wolverines::


quail?  a nebraska fan?

or is there another 'big red' worth mentioning.....

Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 20, 2008, 01:03:52 AM
Cornell's a pretty awesome place.

Um, yea...go Big Red?

::retreats from cave of rabid wolverines::


quail?  a nebraska fan?

or is there another 'big red' worth mentioning.....



Not that our athletics are worth mentioning, but Cornell is the big red
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 21, 2008, 12:04:44 PM
Cornell's a pretty awesome place.

Um, yea...go Big Red?

::retreats from cave of rabid wolverines::


quail?  a nebraska fan?

or is there another 'big red' worth mentioning.....



Not that our athletics are worth mentioning, but Cornell is the big red


ahhhh, i never knew that.  i am now a bit wiser, but that knowledge pushed out something else.  i think rule of perpetuities is gone, but thats ok because i never liked it anyway
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 21, 2008, 01:04:38 PM
Cornell's a pretty awesome place.

Um, yea...go Big Red?

::retreats from cave of rabid wolverines::


quail?  a nebraska fan?

or is there another 'big red' worth mentioning.....



Not that our athletics are worth mentioning, but Cornell is the big red


ahhhh, i never knew that.  i am now a bit wiser, but that knowledge pushed out something else.  i think rule of perpetuities is gone, but thats ok because i never liked it anyway

That's a shame, I loved the RAP, I thought it was a lot of fun

::feels nerdy::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 21, 2008, 01:34:53 PM
Cornell's a pretty awesome place.

Um, yea...go Big Red?

::retreats from cave of rabid wolverines::


quail?  a nebraska fan?

or is there another 'big red' worth mentioning.....



Not that our athletics are worth mentioning, but Cornell is the big red


ahhhh, i never knew that.  i am now a bit wiser, but that knowledge pushed out something else.  i think rule of perpetuities is gone, but thats ok because i never liked it anyway

That's a shame, I loved the RAP, I thought it was a lot of fun

::feels nerdy::




i've forgotten most of property except for landlord tenant.  sigh.  stupid bar exam.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 21, 2008, 01:53:42 PM
Cornell's a pretty awesome place.

Um, yea...go Big Red?

::retreats from cave of rabid wolverines::


quail?  a nebraska fan?

or is there another 'big red' worth mentioning.....



Not that our athletics are worth mentioning, but Cornell is the big red


ahhhh, i never knew that.  i am now a bit wiser, but that knowledge pushed out something else.  i think rule of perpetuities is gone, but thats ok because i never liked it anyway

That's a shame, I loved the RAP, I thought it was a lot of fun

::feels nerdy::


Dude, I lost a lot of respect for you...

Related: my property final had like 4 questions about the docrtine of worthier title.  So random.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 21, 2008, 02:11:15 PM
Dude, I lost a lot of respect for you...

Related: my property final had like 4 questions about the docrtine of worthier title.  So random.

 :'( :'(

OMG wtf, we spent no more than 15 minutes briefly saying what the doctrine of worthier title was and it was the core of like 5-6 multiple choice questions.  That was a load of crap.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 21, 2008, 03:14:47 PM
Dude, I lost a lot of respect for you...

Related: my property final had like 4 questions about the docrtine of worthier title.  So random.

 :'( :'(

OMG wtf, we spent no more than 15 minutes briefly saying what the doctrine of worthier title was and it was the core of like 5-6 multiple choice questions.  That was a load of crap.

Perhaps our prop profs are in cahoots regarding random outdated property rules.  Its ok, though. I got an A+++ on the exam anyway  ;D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 21, 2008, 03:43:41 PM
Dude, I lost a lot of respect for you...

Related: my property final had like 4 questions about the docrtine of worthier title.  So random.

 :'( :'(

OMG wtf, we spent no more than 15 minutes briefly saying what the doctrine of worthier title was and it was the core of like 5-6 multiple choice questions.  That was a load of crap.


you should have seen my con law exam:  a 5-part essay question on INTERNATIONAL TREATIES, which we spent less than 10 minutes on in class and there was maybe a paragraph on treaties in the entire book.  i had precisely one line of notes in my outline on treaties.

and wtf is "vertical federalism" any damn way  >:(
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on January 21, 2008, 04:05:26 PM
omg you guys are giving me exam anxiety and it's only January... CEASE AND DESIST
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 21, 2008, 04:59:10 PM
omg you guys are giving me exam anxiety and it's only January... CEASE AND DESIST


be afraid.  be very afraid.   :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 21, 2008, 05:57:38 PM
you should have seen my con law exam:  a 5-part essay question on INTERNATIONAL TREATIES, which we spent less than 10 minutes on in class and there was maybe a paragraph on treaties in the entire book.  i had precisely one line of notes in my outline on treaties.

and wtf is "vertical federalism" any damn way  >:(

Ouch, I would have dropped out right then and there lol
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 21, 2008, 06:23:32 PM
you should have seen my con law exam:  a 5-part essay question on INTERNATIONAL TREATIES, which we spent less than 10 minutes on in class and there was maybe a paragraph on treaties in the entire book.  i had precisely one line of notes in my outline on treaties.

and wtf is "vertical federalism" any damn way  >:(

Ouch, I would have dropped out right then and there lol


a 5 1/2 hour exam.....blech

i read his model answer later.  it was incomprehensible.  and i think he made a mistake on a second amendment issue.    >:(

ah well, only 2 more semesters, 2 more semesters.....  (repeat as needed)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 21, 2008, 06:43:16 PM
5.5 hour exam???  :o :o :o :o

What kind of monster would give a 5.5 hour exam
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 21, 2008, 07:35:03 PM
5.5 hour exam???  :o :o :o :o

What kind of monster would give a 5.5 hour exam



he is truly the spawn of satan.  i got a C+

a C+

i had 4 A's a B+, and then this.....travesty
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on January 21, 2008, 07:58:32 PM
5.5 hour exam???  :o :o :o :o

What kind of monster would give a 5.5 hour exam



he is truly the spawn of satan.  i got a C+

a C+

i had 4 A's a B+, and then this.....travesty

 :( yikes I'm sorry, that really sucks
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 21, 2008, 08:03:38 PM
5.5 hour exam???  :o :o :o :o

What kind of monster would give a 5.5 hour exam



he is truly the spawn of satan.  i got a C+

a C+

i had 4 A's a B+, and then this.....travesty

 :( yikes I'm sorry, that really sucks



meh, my gpa still went up, just not as significantly as it should have.  fume.

i'm meeting with him next week to go over it, a last ditch effort to see if he'll raise it any.  i do NOT have much hope  :P

another prof to add to the list of "NEVER TAKE AGAIN"
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 21, 2008, 09:38:40 PM
5.5 hour exam???  :o :o :o :o

What kind of monster would give a 5.5 hour exam

5.5 in class??? that's ROUGH

we had an hour in class and a 7 hour "take home" on the last day of finals.  But at least we could leave the damned room.  Sorry to hear about your con law woes :( ---- it seems like when profs test stuff that they don't teach the curve is even more random than it usually is.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 22, 2008, 09:18:54 AM
'tis a sad thing indeed.

thats why i choose my classes based now on previous or average grade distribution.  i cant afford any more of these.

i quit drinking.  at least for now.  trying to lose about 15 pounds  :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: sandphire on January 26, 2008, 08:02:16 PM
So I last looked at this thread before I really had acceptances, and now that I have some in hand, rather than going backwards through all of the posts (I did hit the last dozen pages), I've decided to be lazy and ask questions that I'm sure have already been asked and answered.  I went to UG at a school where an abnormally large percentage of students were queer of some variety, in MA, so I spent a great deal of time in a very liberal environment.  Since then I've moved to VA, which has been a whole other experience... I'm looking to head back into a liberal environment, on any number of fronts.  I know most of the law schools I'm looking at are liberal, and I'm sure most of them aren't unfriendly places, but it's hard to gather actual info.  It's also hard to tell whether the 4 people pictured on the Outlaws (or equivalent) page are the only gay students at the school...etc  Right, so I'm looking for info on Michigan in particular, since that's my top choice right now - I gather it's a great place, so I'm hoping someone can just talk about their experience - I'm not sure I'm looking for something specific, except for info on the lesbian experience (I've gotten this impression from some sites that while there may be a large gay male population (large is a relative term), gay females are almost non existent at some places - I'm hoping I'm wrong).  NYU is also up for consideration, as well as Northwestern, so any info people can contribute about those two would be appreciated. 

Thanks and I'm sorry if this is all repetitive - the thread is a bit unwieldy at this size...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 26, 2008, 08:13:29 PM
So I last looked at this thread before I really had acceptances, and now that I have some in hand, rather than going backwards through all of the posts (I did hit the last dozen pages), I've decided to be lazy and ask questions that I'm sure have already been asked and answered.  I went to UG at a school where an abnormally large percentage of students were queer of some variety, in MA, so I spent a great deal of time in a very liberal environment.  Since then I've moved to VA, which has been a whole other experience... I'm looking to head back into a liberal environment, on any number of fronts.  I know most of the law schools I'm looking at are liberal, and I'm sure most of them aren't unfriendly places, but it's hard to gather actual info.  It's also hard to tell whether the 4 people pictured on the Outlaws (or equivalent) page are the only gay students at the school...etc  Right, so I'm looking for info on Michigan in particular, since that's my top choice right now - I gather it's a great place, so I'm hoping someone can just talk about their experience - I'm not sure I'm looking for something specific, except for info on the lesbian experience (I've gotten this impression from some sites that while there may be a large gay male population (large is a relative term), gay females are almost non existent at some places - I'm hoping I'm wrong).  NYU is also up for consideration, as well as Northwestern, so any info people can contribute about those two would be appreciated. 

Thanks and I'm sorry if this is all repetitive - the thread is a bit unwieldy at this size...

Sand, we have a lot of gays males and gay females at UMich and we definitely consist of more than those you see pictured on the website.  In all, I'd guess that there are probably between 70-100 LGB students on campus, but our number including allies is significantly larger (ACS, Outlaws, and ACLU collaborate on almost everything we do). Perhaps my roommate, Pearl, will reply later to provide a lesbian perspective.

Anyway, you should go to the outlaws website www.umoutlaws.org and contact the admissions representative, Samara.  She's a 1L summer starter, very awesome and can put you in touch with whomever you'd like to be in touch with.  She really likes emails so don't hesitate to contact her.

Are you planning on coming to any of the admitted student weekends?

Good luck with your choice!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: sandphire on January 26, 2008, 08:21:12 PM
Thanks Bouzie - 70-100 makes me happy.  I'm heading to the March ASW weekend.  I'll send an email to Samara.  What do you think of Ann Arbor?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 26, 2008, 08:37:58 PM
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Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on January 28, 2008, 08:45:07 AM
In at Chicago, but deferred at Michigan. :( Can the UM Gay Mafia do anything to help me have to make a wrenching decision? Thanks.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on January 28, 2008, 03:01:09 PM
In at Chicago, but deferred at Michigan. :( Can the UM Gay Mafia do anything to help me have to make a wrenching decision? Thanks.

Sorry.  If I could, I'd trade my Michigan acceptance for your Chicago one.  I haven't heard a damn thing from them.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 28, 2008, 09:47:52 PM
Can we get some hot 'mos up in the Cap', yo?
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Wanna get me an intership on the Hill? ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 28, 2008, 09:50:08 PM
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Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 28, 2008, 10:24:28 PM
Bouzie is drunk posting on a Monday night!

 :o

It sure looks like it. WTF happened. 

I was justing watching the state of the union from 1993.  I think Hillary was drunk when she did her hair that night.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 29, 2008, 07:47:34 AM
hiya sax, nice to see ya!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on January 29, 2008, 12:00:35 PM
Well, unless there was some sort of horrible administrative error that allowed me to access the admitted students website, I'm in at Michigan! ASW, here I come!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on January 29, 2008, 12:06:33 PM
wohoo!   - Be sure to come to the Outlaws party!!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on January 29, 2008, 06:39:15 PM
hiya sax, nice to see ya!


Hey, what's up playa?!


well, hanging in for now.  finishing up 2L at arkansas, and will do 3L in denver.  the job market here sucks, and the community is less than friendly to people like me anyways  :P

how you doin?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 02, 2008, 10:52:05 AM
Oh not bad, nothing new, really, aside from that whole not going to law school thing anymore...


whoa, i've missed a lot in the semester or so i've been gone.  what made you change your mind?  the hopeless cries of those of us who did go?  or did you just find someone rich to hook up with?  hoping for the latter for you, of course  :D

aside from the obvious for me  :D i've got two semesters left and i'm done.  hoping to move to denver this summer and finish my last semester there.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Miss P on February 02, 2008, 11:09:05 AM
aside from the obvious for me  :D

What is this?  I am ignorant and slow.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 02, 2008, 11:24:41 AM
aside from the obvious for me  :D

What is this?  I am ignorant and slow.

(http://www.carnali.com/images/stories/Tootsie.jpg)

Sorry Rev I had too :)

 :D :D :D


i would like to think i'm a tad more stylish than that.

i'd also like to think my nose looks better too   ;D


and miss p, er, see signature  ;)

 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Miss P on February 02, 2008, 11:31:32 AM
and miss p, er, see signature  ;)

:D  I had no idea that was serious.  Given your broad humor, etc., I just assumed this was a reference I had missed.  Cool.  :)

ETA: Are you (going to be) a lesbian?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 02, 2008, 11:41:56 AM
Have you picked a name for your new persona? I knew a very large transexual, about 450 pounds, who once he became a she legally changed her name to Ertha Quake


oh my lord  :D

bet nobody gave her any *&^% though  :D

you have permission to shoot me in the head should i ever do something like that.

can you see the judge now?  "er...you may proceed, counselor quake...."

finding a decent outfit would be absolute hell though.  i guess i could go with the mu-mu look, ala homer simpson.

its gonna be a while before i do any kind of legal name changes.  anybody who knows, however, and there aren't many, calls me ashley, or just ash.

miss p:
lolz, i suspect that NOBODY thinks that was serious except matthies, who was like the first to know around here anyways.  and yes, i suspect i will continue to like girls, however friends have told me that as hrt progresses, sometimes that changes.  damn, tom brady *is* kinda looking good....   ;)


Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Miss P on February 02, 2008, 11:50:42 AM
miss p:
lolz, i suspect that NOBODY thinks that was serious except matthies, who was like the first to know around here anyways.  and yes, i suspect i will continue to like girls, however friends have told me that as hrt progresses, sometimes that changes.  damn, tom brady *is* kinda looking good....   ;)

Oh, even I'm drawn to the heterosexual dark side from time to time.  Football usually does it. ;)  Congrats and good luck with everything.  Keep me in your LSD rolodex.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 02, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
miss p:
lolz, i suspect that NOBODY thinks that was serious except matthies, who was like the first to know around here anyways.  and yes, i suspect i will continue to like girls, however friends have told me that as hrt progresses, sometimes that changes.  damn, tom brady *is* kinda looking good....   ;)

Oh, even I'm drawn to the heterosexual dark side from time to time.  Football usually does it. ;)  Congrats and good luck with everything.  Keep me in your LSD rolodex.


i will!  and i saw the sflsd thread, hope everything works out for you as well!


matthies:   we'll i'm 6'0" so i'm a bit shorter than ms. quake, and thank god i weigh nowhere near that, but as my body chemistry changes, i am finding it MUCH harder to lose the last 10-15 pounds....

i've had laser so i dont have any facial hair left thankfully, and hrt is apparently working wonders on facial features and, er, my chest area  :o
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 02, 2008, 06:27:00 PM
i've had laser so i dont have any facial hair left thankfully

This would be so much more convenient than having to shave.

Sigh, for my unabashed laziness
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 02, 2008, 07:14:43 PM
i've had laser so i dont have any facial hair left thankfully

This would be so much more convenient than having to shave.

Sigh, for my unabashed laziness


omg it HURTS SO FREAKING MUCH!

like a rubber band snapping against your face.  brings tears to my eyes every single time!

then your face looks like you stuck it in the bee hive bar during angry hour.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 02, 2008, 07:20:44 PM
i've had laser so i dont have any facial hair left thankfully

This would be so much more convenient than having to shave.

Sigh, for my unabashed laziness


omg it HURTS SO FREAKING MUCH!

like a rubber band snapping against your face.  brings tears to my eyes every single time!

then your face looks like you stuck it in the bee hive bar during angry hour.

And you do this to yourself willing?

BTW I just traied to watch 3:10 to Yuma and felt just like you described. Why can't anybody make a decent freaking western? Copunting the days till the Good, the Bad, and The Ugly comes out on Blue-Ray


electrolysis hurts WORSE.

lol, and compared to some of the stuff i have to look forward to, either one is a stroll in the park  ;)



they dont make good westerns anymore.  sigh.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 02, 2008, 08:45:33 PM
then your face looks like you stuck it in the bee hive bar during angry hour.

LOL.  Though with my razor skills, this might not be all that much different  :-[
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on February 03, 2008, 10:38:53 AM
Quote
then your face looks like you stuck it in the bee hive bar during angry hour.

I dunno why, but that made me rofl.

Also, sidebar: "no one gives her poo" sounds WAY worse that "no one gives her sh*t." Silly censor bot.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on February 04, 2008, 11:14:03 AM
Ok, so I whined a lot on this thread about not hearing anything from Michigan, and then I got in. So now I am officially whining about not having heard anything from CLS. Waaahh. This marks the official start of the "unchecked superstition" portion of my cycle.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 04, 2008, 11:28:12 AM
Quote
then your face looks like you stuck it in the bee hive bar during angry hour.

I dunno why, but that made me rofl.


Also, sidebar: "no one gives her poo" sounds WAY worse that "no one gives her sh*t." Silly censor bot.


ahhhh my job is done then.

i dont care for poo either.  although i do find the censored versions of male private part, female private part, feminine hygiene product, and female dog to be quite humorous
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 04, 2008, 12:01:23 PM
I wonder what the censer will do with the F-bomb: @#!*

Ahhh LAME


i still kinda like it.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: armada on February 04, 2008, 07:16:08 PM
Anyone here going to (goes to) Texas?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 05, 2008, 07:46:05 PM
then your face looks like you stuck it in the bee hive bar during angry hour.

LOL.  Though with my razor skills, this might not be all that much different  :-[

I f-in' love your face, shut up.

 :)

::blush::

haha ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 06, 2008, 09:01:00 AM
http://www.mediatakeout.com/21434/explosive_gay_choir_scandal_hits_the_largest_church_in_washington_dc.html (http://www.mediatakeout.com/21434/explosive_gay_choir_scandal_hits_the_largest_church_in_washington_dc.html)

The woman who handles PR for the church is in one of my classes, and asked the prof how they could best deal with the situation.  A classmate suggested they could just toss out all the gays in the choir for not following the churches ways and then there would be no PR problem. 

::thinks happy thoughts of Quail's face to avoid sad thoughts brought on by such stupidity::





there would also be no harmony.


as jesus said, "the stupid ye will always have with ye"

boy, he wasnt kidding
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on February 06, 2008, 09:21:12 AM
It seems when I whined upthread in a superstitious attempt to elicit a response from Columbia, I should I have been more specific. I wanted an ACCEPTANCE letter, CLS, not a waitlist. Didn't think I needed to spell that out for ya...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on February 06, 2008, 09:49:55 AM
http://www.mediatakeout.com/21434/explosive_gay_choir_scandal_hits_the_largest_church_in_washington_dc.html (http://www.mediatakeout.com/21434/explosive_gay_choir_scandal_hits_the_largest_church_in_washington_dc.html)

The woman who handles PR for the church is in one of my classes, and asked the prof how they could best deal with the situation.  A classmate suggested they could just toss out all the gays in the choir for not following the churches ways and then there would be no PR problem. 

::thinks happy thoughts of Quail's face to avoid sad thoughts brought on by such stupidity::



I'm amazed by the oddly specific percentages (ie 78.9) of gay men in the choir.

Maybe we could take this woman out of DC and send her around the country and she could find out for us exactly how many of us there are out there in the general population.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 06, 2008, 11:00:12 AM
To those deciding between Michigan and Chicago, an excerpt from an article in the Michigan Daily about a "rally" at UC:

"The coffee shop, to the dismay of many students, is called Hallowed Grounds, and on a typical Tuesday night, very few students can be found doing anything but studying there. Although a fair number of students were trading off between watching the news feed and finishing tomorrow's problem set, most in attendance had their eyes glued to the screen.

Ari Epstein, a freshman from the suburbs of Chicago, has spent time volunteering for the Obama campaign. He said the sheer volume of work assigned to students at the University of Chicago can make staying engaged with politics difficult.

"There's so much work that people skip meals. Regularly," he said.

Many students remain engaged in spite of this, Epstein said. The turnout last night illustrates his point - on a campus of about 4,000 undergraduates - many from out of state - 200 is not a negligible portion.

Matt Cohoon, a graduate student, said he really didn't have time to be there, but couldn't help stopping by on his way home from class."


;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on February 06, 2008, 04:07:59 PM
To those deciding between Michigan and Chicago, an excerpt from an article in the Michigan Daily about a "rally" at UC:

"The coffee shop, to the dismay of many students, is called Hallowed Grounds, and on a typical Tuesday night, very few students can be found doing anything but studying there. Although a fair number of students were trading off between watching the news feed and finishing tomorrow's problem set, most in attendance had their eyes glued to the screen.

Ari Epstein, a freshman from the suburbs of Chicago, has spent time volunteering for the Obama campaign. He said the sheer volume of work assigned to students at the University of Chicago can make staying engaged with politics difficult.

"There's so much work that people skip meals. Regularly," he said.

Many students remain engaged in spite of this, Epstein said. The turnout last night illustrates his point - on a campus of about 4,000 undergraduates - many from out of state - 200 is not a negligible portion.

Matt Cohoon, a graduate student, said he really didn't have time to be there, but couldn't help stopping by on his way home from class."


;)

lol, that's hilarious.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 09, 2008, 09:32:18 AM
Hope you kids caught this... Joe Solmonese from HRC on Colbert... it's hysterical.

http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2008/02/video-joe-gets.html

You can catch Part 2 at http://www.hrcbackstory.org/2008/02/joe-solmonese-1.html
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on February 09, 2008, 07:43:28 PM
Hey guys and gals!

So now that I've gotten the not-so-good news from a few schools, I'm starting to look at a fairly close competition among Michigan, Virginia, Duke, and Georgetown.  Does anybody have any input on these schools comparitively or specifically?

I'm also trying to decide if I want to drop the pretty significant amount of money to visit some of them.  For current students that did visits, I've heard they're a lot of fun, but did you gain anything meaningful from them?  If so, what?  For those who didn't visit, do you wish you had?

Thanks for any input!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: IamAnXman on February 09, 2008, 08:15:29 PM
^ i have no advice for you, matt
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 09, 2008, 09:27:59 PM
Hey Matthew, out of curiosity did/do you work at Moto?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on February 10, 2008, 04:56:28 AM
Hey Matthew, out of curiosity did/do you work at Moto?

No, I just used to have the username M and it happens to be a nice stylized one.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 10, 2008, 08:44:33 AM
Hey Matthew, out of curiosity did/do you work at Moto?

No, I just used to have the username M and it happens to be a nice stylized one.

Ahh well nm then  :P
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 10, 2008, 09:44:45 AM
Hey Matthew, out of curiosity did/do you work at Moto?

No, I just used to have the username M and it happens to be a nice stylized one.

Ahh well nm then  :P

Hey, Quail!, out of curiosity did/do you work at Fruit-of-the-Loom?   ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 10, 2008, 10:04:40 AM

Hey, Quail!, out of curiosity did/do you work at Fruit-of-the-Loom?   ;)

Sadly no, but if you know of any openings for photographers I'd be all over that *&^%  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Just_Chexin on February 10, 2008, 12:02:57 PM
Hi Everyone! I'm a first time poster to this specific topic, so just wanted to say hello and welcome myself.  :)

I have written what I think is an appropriate DS dealing with the whole gay issue, but as I have never seen another such DS before, I don't know if its any good or if I'm severely lacking.  It came out to around 2 pages and I think its ok - but again, I'm not really sure. Would anyone be willing to read mine and give me any advice? I'd much appreciate it - thanks so much! :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 10, 2008, 12:48:28 PM
I am loving the gay marriage debate in the conservative thread  :D


Uhhuh! The abortion debate is good too!  Not that I'm an expert by any means, but it's f-ing hilarious to hear people who know NOTHING about Con. law rail against 'activist' judges and judges "making law."   (also funny that they call them judges rather than justices, but that's another point entirely).


...it doesn't take much to amuse me ...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 10, 2008, 12:56:36 PM

Hey, Quail!, out of curiosity did/do you work at Fruit-of-the-Loom?   ;)

Sadly no, but if you know of any openings for photographers I'd be all over that *&^%  ;)

 I do! Just go to 1276 Main Street, Ann Arbo.... oh wait, that's my address...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Mauve on February 10, 2008, 01:20:00 PM
If the Q in LGBTQ is for Queer, it looks like I'm in the right place!

I've tried to scroll through this thread and see who everyone is, but it's quite long! May I request a round of introductions?

I'm Mauve from Austin, TX and I'm applying to law schools in the upcoming 08/09 cycle. Hopefully I can get into a good school that's in a city with a similar level of GLBTQ community as Austin. I feel spoiled here, esp. in comparison to where I grew up.

Who else posts around here?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on February 10, 2008, 01:23:16 PM
If the Q in LGBTQ is for Queer, it looks like I'm in the right place!

I've tried to scroll through this thread and see who everyone is, but it's quite long! May I request a round of introductions?

I'm Mauve from Austin, TX and I'm applying to law schools in the upcoming 08/09 cycle. Hopefully I can get into a good school that's in a city with a similar level of GLBTQ community as Austin. I feel spoiled here, esp. in comparison to where I grew up.

Who else posts around here?

I'm Matthew, from Hawaii, just finishing up my cycle.

I always thought the Q was for questioning.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 10, 2008, 01:25:29 PM
If the Q in LGBTQ is for Queer, it looks like I'm in the right place!

I've tried to scroll through this thread and see who everyone is, but it's quite long! May I request a round of introductions?

I'm Mauve from Austin, TX and I'm applying to law schools in the upcoming 08/09 cycle. Hopefully I can get into a good school that's in a city with a similar level of GLBTQ community as Austin. I feel spoiled here, esp. in comparison to where I grew up.

Who else posts around here?

I'm Matthew, from Hawaii, just finishing up my cycle.

I always thought the Q was for questioning.


i believe its for gender queer, but correct me if i'm wrong.  i'm confused enough just being the "T"
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: armada on February 10, 2008, 01:48:33 PM
If the Q in LGBTQ is for Queer, it looks like I'm in the right place!

I've tried to scroll through this thread and see who everyone is, but it's quite long! May I request a round of introductions?

I'm Mauve from Austin, TX and I'm applying to law schools in the upcoming 08/09 cycle. Hopefully I can get into a good school that's in a city with a similar level of GLBTQ community as Austin. I feel spoiled here, esp. in comparison to where I grew up.

Who else posts around here?

I also thought Q was for questioning but I could be wrong.  Anyway, it's so great to hear this about Austin seeing as I might end up there for school.  It seems like no one here goes to UT though.

Welcome to the board Mauve.  What schools are you looking at?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 10, 2008, 04:20:23 PM
I am loving the gay marriage debate in the conservative thread  :D


Help a sister out. No bigot left behind.



I also thought Q was for questioning but I could be wrong.  Anyway, it's so great to hear this about Austin seeing as I might end up there for school.  It seems like no one here goes to UT though.

Welcome to the board Mauve.  What schools are you looking at?

I believe the latest is LGBTQQAI

Lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer, questioning, asexual, intersex  ;)

Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 10, 2008, 04:23:08 PM
I believe the latest is LGBTQQAI

Lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer, questioning, asexual, intersex  ;)

Sorry, but that is getting absurd.  I think people understand what is meant by LGBT.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 10, 2008, 04:24:19 PM
I believe the latest is LGBTQQAI

Lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer, questioning, asexual, intersex  ;)

Sorry, but that is getting absurd.  I think people understand what is meant by LGBT.


dont you thing we need to buy a vowel though?   ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 10, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
Check out this article....

I'm debating whether I should open a can of worms in the conservative thread  :D

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=511391&in_page_id=1965&in_page_id=1965&expand=true#StartComments
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 10, 2008, 04:29:03 PM
I believe the latest is LGBTQQAI

Lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer, questioning, asexual, intersex  ;)

Sorry, but that is getting absurd.  I think people understand what is meant by LGBT.



dont you thing we need to buy a vowel though?   ;)

LOL. I'm beginning to really like the whole "queer" simplification (linguistically). It's so much easier and all-inclusive.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 10, 2008, 04:40:11 PM
I believe the latest is LGBTQQAI

Lesbian, gay, bi, trans, queer, questioning, asexual, intersex  ;)

Sorry, but that is getting absurd.  I think people understand what is meant by LGBT.



dont you thing we need to buy a vowel though?   ;)

LOL. I'm beginning to really like the whole "queer" simplification (linguistically). It's so much easier and all-inclusive.

Ick.  I hate that word.  My mom uses it (not in that way) and it always makes me cringe.  It just screams of trying to "differentiate" and I am staunchly opposed to that.  Not to mention that in traditional usage it means "weird" or "strange"
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 10, 2008, 06:15:43 PM
sigh

Over 2000 posts...what am I doing with my life?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 10, 2008, 06:30:10 PM
sigh

Over 2000 posts...what am I doing with my life?


ahem.

obviously more than i am  :D


my *first* account, which i deleted last july, had around 7000 posts  ::)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 10:53:30 AM
I can't believe I've been on here for three years. 

LSD is my longest lasting relationship. 

Sad story huh?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 11:02:23 AM
probably stupid question: what function does the Q in LGBTQ serve? 

See previous page or two discussing...consensus says it's between "queer" and "questioning"

Or maybe it's for Quail.  Who knows, pretty soon we'll just have the whole freaking alphabet in there
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 11, 2008, 11:02:49 AM
probably stupid question: what function does the Q in LGBTQ serve? 

Q = questioning, its serves to make an annyoying acroynm even more annyoing becuase gay pople can't seem to exclude anyone least we be excluded.

Actually the Q can mean "queer" or "questioning" ... more and more it's coming to mean queer.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 11, 2008, 11:08:25 AM
probably stupid question: what function does the Q in LGBTQ serve? 

Q = questioning, its serves to make an annyoying acroynm even more annyoing becuase gay pople can't seem to exclude anyone least we be excluded.

It can also mean "queer" .... some say q stands for queer/ others say questioning/ and some say it just stands for both queer and/or questioning

"Queer" has a sort of take back the word movement going on so I think more often the q is coming to stand for queer.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 11:09:27 AM
Christ, apparently I went a little bonkers with the "post" button there without even realizing it...

In any case, I remain opposed to usage of the word "queer"
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 11:16:20 AM
What about gay quakers, it could stand for them, we can't leave them out!

For some completely inconceivable, inexplicable reason, this made me think of whirling dervishes.  I promptly looked up youtube videos.

Crazy.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 11, 2008, 11:20:24 AM
Christ, apparently I went a little bonkers with the "post" button there without even realizing it...

In any case, I remain opposed to usage of the word "queer"

Queer is used in academia (queer studies) ....it's also all-encompassing which is important to a lot of people (avoid gender binaries/sexuality spectrum and separation of gay rights from trans rights). Queer gets to be the umbrella term that includes everyone. I've come to like it. I think it works.

I thought it was just Questions, but Questioning as in Curious sounds better.

My undergrad had LGBTQ studies courses...the Q standed for queer. I think it just depends.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 11:24:02 AM
Queer is used in academia (queer studies) ....it's also all-encompassing which is important to a lot of people (avoid gender binaries/sexuality spectrum and separation of gay rights from trans rights). Queer gets to be the umbrella term that includes everyone. I've come to like it. I think it works.

It's also meant "weird" or "strange," and I just can't get over the connotations.  And it's just an icky sounding word.

IMO, of course
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 11, 2008, 11:24:17 AM
"Queer" has a sort of take back the word movement going on so I think more often the q is coming to stand for queer.

if it did stand for queer, what function would it have to add it to LGBT? 

also, questioning is a little unexpected.  i would have expected curious to be used instead.

It's just all encompassing. Some people don't see their sexuality as being on the gay/lesbian, bi, straight spectrum (or a spectrum at all). Same with gender - there's more than male, female, transmen, transwoman. Some people are intersex, some are asexual. Some people are straight but like to perform drag - queer can cover that.  Queer is an umbrella term that covers it all.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 11, 2008, 11:29:01 AM
Queer is used in academia (queer studies) ....it's also all-encompassing which is important to a lot of people (avoid gender binaries/sexuality spectrum and separation of gay rights from trans rights). Queer gets to be the umbrella term that includes everyone. I've come to like it. I think it works.

It's also meant "weird" or "strange," and I just can't get over the connotations.  And it's just an icky sounding word.

IMO, of course

No I totally get where you're coming from. In several UG courses I took we talked about the word "queer." It's primarily used/accepted in academia but a younger generation is really looking to take it back altogether. There is however a lot of older men (even in academia) who are very opposed to the term because, like you said, they can't get over the past connotations - it was thrown at them a lot in the 60s-80s. 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 11:35:48 AM
Queer is used in academia (queer studies) ....it's also all-encompassing which is important to a lot of people (avoid gender binaries/sexuality spectrum and separation of gay rights from trans rights). Queer gets to be the umbrella term that includes everyone. I've come to like it. I think it works.

It's also meant "weird" or "strange," and I just can't get over the connotations.  And it's just an icky sounding word.

IMO, of course

No I totally get where you're coming from. In several UG courses I took we talked about the word "queer." It's primarily used/accepted in academia but a younger generation is really looking to take it back altogether. There is however a lot of older men (even in academia) who are very opposed to the term because, like you said, they can't get over the past connotations - it was thrown at them a lot in the 60s-80s. 

Also, it might sound strange, but I don't really like anything that tries to establish "queers" as you would say, as significantly different than anyone else, regardless of gender/sexuality.  I just don't like the segmenting and compartmentalizing of groups.  People is people.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 11, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
Queer is used in academia (queer studies) ....it's also all-encompassing which is important to a lot of people (avoid gender binaries/sexuality spectrum and separation of gay rights from trans rights). Queer gets to be the umbrella term that includes everyone. I've come to like it. I think it works.

It's also meant "weird" or "strange," and I just can't get over the connotations.  And it's just an icky sounding word.

IMO, of course

No I totally get where you're coming from. In several UG courses I took we talked about the word "queer." It's primarily used/accepted in academia but a younger generation is really looking to take it back altogether. There is however a lot of older men (even in academia) who are very opposed to the term because, like you said, they can't get over the past connotations - it was thrown at them a lot in the 60s-80s. 

Also, it might sound strange, but I don't really like anything that tries to establish "queers" as you would say, as significantly different than anyone else, regardless of gender/sexuality.  I just don't like the segmenting and compartmentalizing of groups.  People is people.

Well LGBT compartmentalizes also. And I don't think it's really used as "I am a queer" but more when one is discussing their sexuality they can say "I identify as queer" instead of "I'm a lesbian/I'm gay/I"m bisexual" - when those identities don't quite fit them. Just as an example.... I had a boyfriend for 6 years. Then my sophomore year of college I came out as a lesbian. I definitely don't identify as bisexual but I sometimes think identifying as a lesbian sort of discredits (?) that relationship. Maybe queer is a better fit? I don't really use the term but I can understand why some might prefer it.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 11:56:55 AM
Well LGBT compartmentalizes also. And I don't think it's really used as "I am a queer" but more when one is discussing their sexuality they can say "I identify as queer" instead of "I'm a lesbian/I'm gay/I"m bisexual" - when those identities don't quite fit them. Just as an example.... I had a boyfriend for 6 years. Then my sophomore year of college I came out as a lesbian. I definitely don't identify as bisexual but I sometimes think identifying as a lesbian sort of discredits (?) that relationship. Maybe queer is a better fit? I don't really use the term but I can understand why some might prefer it.

Oh I definitely have some issues with LGBT as well, but sometimes you have to pick your battles.

I just think that people understand what LGBT means, and don't think that it excludes people that would self-identify as "queer."  Lots of names and acronyms aren't fully inclusive for the sake of brevity, aesthetics, or both.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 11, 2008, 11:58:08 AM
It's just all encompassing. Some people don't see their sexuality as being on the gay/lesbian, bi, straight spectrum (or a spectrum at all). Same with gender - there's more than male, female, transmen, transwoman. Some people are intersex, some are asexual. Some people are straight but like to perform drag - queer can cover that.  Queer is an umbrella term that covers it all.

so why not just call it the Q thread?  ???

i guess it doesn't have the same ring to it.

Well a lot of schools have "queer student unions" or "queer studies." So sometimes it is used.  When people want to know the general attitude towards gays in a town/ on a campus they'll sometimes ask about "queer-friendliness."  I think it's just a preference.

We're complicated ok?  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2008, 12:13:01 PM
It's just all encompassing. Some people don't see their sexuality as being on the gay/lesbian, bi, straight spectrum (or a spectrum at all). Same with gender - there's more than male, female, transmen, transwoman. Some people are intersex, some are asexual. Some people are straight but like to perform drag - queer can cover that.  Queer is an umbrella term that covers it all.

so why not just call it the Q thread?  ???

i guess it doesn't have the same ring to it.

Well a lot of schools have "queer student unions" or "queer studies." So sometimes it is used.  When people want to know the general attitude towards gays in a town/ on a campus they'll sometimes ask about "queer-friendliness."  I think it's just a preference.

We're complicated ok?  ;)




lol theres an understatement
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 12:15:03 PM
Heh, one of my LSD flings had to wake up for a class a lot earlier than I ever get up voluntarily, even for sex, and totally molested me while I snoozed.   

It walked the line between creepy and hot. 

 :o

You strumpet.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 12:26:12 PM

I should point out one of my two LSD flings, before we think there was a large pool...


You have no idea how curious I am about who these chaps are.  2 LSD flings?  That is fascinating.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: RedNinja on February 11, 2008, 02:57:42 PM
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Intersex Queer Questioning and Allies

LGBTIQQA as I've always known it =/
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 03:09:05 PM

I should point out one of my two LSD flings, before we think there was a large pool...


You have no idea how curious I am about who these chaps are.  2 LSD flings?  That is fascinating.

 :D

They're both from the Golden Age of LSD. 

So you're into daddies huh  :D :D :D :o
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Mauve on February 11, 2008, 04:12:46 PM
Welcome to the board Mauve.  What schools are you looking at?

Thanks. I'm not sure yet, it depends on how the LSAT goes. Maybe U Washington? Wherever in New York, Boston, DC. UChicago? I'd love Berkeley but that's a reach!

I'm beginning to really like the whole "queer" simplification (linguistically). It's so much easier and all-inclusive.

Well LGBT compartmentalizes also. And I don't think it's really used as "I am a queer" but more when one is discussing their sexuality they can say "I identify as queer" instead of "I'm a lesbian/I'm gay/I"m bisexual"

I agree with Outlaw. Queer is certainly my favorite for being so inclusive! And I like the political implications of queer. I don't seriously have any problems with GLBT, but I don't fit in any singular box. GLBT can rely on bianaries too much for my tastes (Really simplisticly: "Men who like men," "women who like men and women," "men who used to be women" etc). And I don't believe in bianaries. I certainly understand what GLBT stands for but if a group or event specifically mentions queer I feel much safer about being there.

But I understand that some people don't like the word, and that's fine, too. Didn't mean to stir up such dirt!

Nice to more or less meet y'all!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2008, 04:26:44 PM

I should point out one of my two LSD flings, before we think there was a large pool...


You have no idea how curious I am about who these chaps are.  2 LSD flings?  That is fascinating.

 :D

They're both from the Golden Age of LSD. 

So you're into daddies huh  :D :D :D :o

Who doesn't like a little role play?



well i certainly do!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2008, 06:51:39 PM
Heh, one of my LSD flings had to wake up for a class a lot earlier than I ever get up voluntarily, even for sex, and totally molested me while I snoozed.    

It walked the line between creepy and hot. 



well, always practice safe sax.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Mauve on February 11, 2008, 06:59:18 PM
But I swallowed  :-\

OVERSHARE!!

Is it an overshare? Or an undershare?  ::)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2008, 07:02:20 PM
But I swallowed  :-\

OVERSHARE!!


in your sleep?  then you can hardly be blamed.  autonomic reaction and all.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2008, 07:30:12 PM
Oh no, like two nights before. 

Actually, it was in the morning and I was hungover. 

Two mornings before (but at a time when I was actually awake). 



well i've heard a little protein is good for a hangover.   :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 08:52:03 PM
Whoa, what the hell did I miss here?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2008, 08:59:13 PM
Whoa, what the hell did I miss here?


see what happens when youre not paying attention?   :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 11, 2008, 09:06:57 PM
Whoa, what the hell did I miss here?


see what happens when youre not paying attention?   :D

Yea apparently Saxby only swallows while I'm not paying attention  :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 11, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
Whoa, what the hell did I miss here?


see what happens when youre not paying attention?   :D

Yea apparently Saxby only swallows while I'm not paying attention  :D



 :D :D :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2008, 01:50:33 AM
::swings by for Sax's pleasure::

::provides a little too much pleasure::

::runs for cover::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 12, 2008, 08:33:55 AM
::swings by for Sax's pleasure::

::provides a little too much pleasure::

::runs for cover::




:sighs and gets the mop:
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 12, 2008, 11:03:12 AM
::swings by for Sax's pleasure::

::provides a little too much pleasure::

::runs for cover::




:sighs and gets the mop:

Gets Rev a job cleaning the boths at adult book store



hey, i'm trying to eat here!   :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on February 12, 2008, 12:05:34 PM
Wow, this thread has become so dirty.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 12, 2008, 12:16:59 PM
You guys done yet?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 12, 2008, 01:02:26 PM
Wow, this thread has become so dirty.



:mops faster, mutters under her breath:
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2008, 06:29:44 PM
::swings by for Sax's pleasure::

::provides a little too much pleasure::

::runs for glory hole::


fixt

 :D

I guess it's all the same to us straight folk when we can't see through the wall.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2008, 06:37:22 PM
Wow, that line really works?!

I'm a freak though.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 12, 2008, 07:03:06 PM
 :o @ J

BTW, J, I took you advice and picked up a pair of the Shure SE210 earbuds...incredible
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Astro on February 12, 2008, 07:06:45 PM
:o @ J

BTW, J, I took you advice and picked up a pair of the Shure SE210 earbuds...incredible


That's AWESOME news!  hahaha
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 12, 2008, 07:10:43 PM
So I have no idea how I came across this website/screenshot...but hot damn, I don't even care how the scene ended

(http://towleroad.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/tyler_hilton_chad_michael_m.jpg)

::immediately downloads all seasons of One Tree Hill::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 12, 2008, 08:31:05 PM
Watch out!  For every hot boy cuddle scene, they throw in a Kevin Federline guest starring role. 

hmmmm I want some pancakes.  I'm the bisquick man, mixin' my battah'
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 12, 2008, 08:44:53 PM
Watch out!  For every hot boy cuddle scene, they throw in a Kevin Federline guest starring role. 

Totally worth it.  Tyler Hilton + Chad Michael Murray in the same bed?
I'd go gay for that.


Uh, what?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Mauve on February 13, 2008, 11:24:26 PM
What?!?!

No one told me OTH got so gay. I mean gayer than usual. I mean explicitly gay.

Now I have to go catch up...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 14, 2008, 08:11:55 AM
What?!?!

No one told me OTH got so gay. I mean gayer than usual. I mean explicitly gay.

Now I have to go catch up...



:waits patiently for someone to post girl-girl pics:   :D
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Mauve on February 14, 2008, 03:52:21 PM
:waits patiently for someone to post girl-girl pics:   :D


Girl-girl pics?!?
I'm watching the wrong kind of tv.

Anyone see the new show Transamerican Love Story??
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 14, 2008, 04:22:01 PM
:waits patiently for someone to post girl-girl pics:   :D


Girl-girl pics?!?
I'm watching the wrong kind of tv.

Anyone see the new show Transamerican Love Story??


i never have any time to watch tv.

stupid law school.   >:(
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 17, 2008, 11:34:01 AM
Saxby, if I EVER mention thinking about going to backstreet again, please shoot me.  WTF is up with that place?  A club between a Fashion Bug and a check-cashing store, seriously?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 17, 2008, 12:05:31 PM
:D :D :D

OMG, Fashion Bug?!  I will shoot you twice, if Fashion Bug is involved. 

Where exactly is it?  I was asked to go somewhere in Ferndale and somewhere in Royal Oak but had to decline on account of the Spicing. 


I have no idea. This state outside of AA all looks the same to me. I only went b/c "the boy" wanted to.  He no longer gets to make any decisions...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Astro on February 17, 2008, 12:18:02 PM
LLOL @ scare quotes
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 17, 2008, 12:19:31 PM
dozens, maybe hundreds
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 17, 2008, 02:49:09 PM
What happened to no boys during law school?!

Who would ever say that, except maybe a lesbian? 

Even then, its a questionable statement.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 17, 2008, 02:52:13 PM
What happened to no boys during law school?!

Who would ever say that, except maybe a lesbian? 

Even then, its a questionable statement.



is not.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 17, 2008, 03:25:55 PM
What happened to no boys during law school?!

Who would ever say that, except maybe a lesbian? 

Even then, its a questionable statement.


IS SO!


is not.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 17, 2008, 03:43:34 PM
What happened to no boys during law school?!

Who would ever say that, except maybe a lesbian? 

Even then, its a questionable statement.


IS SO!


is not.


not
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 17, 2008, 03:49:13 PM
What happened to no boys during law school?!

Who would ever say that, except maybe a lesbian? 

Even then, its a questionable statement.

I guess you were just going through a lesbionic phase. 


lolz at the thought of a tv show entitled "the lesbionic woman"

comments on my tar?  not sure i like it a friend of mine drew it.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 17, 2008, 04:02:34 PM
Well, I do appreciate the artistry. 

To be honest, however, I thought it might have been Nancy Drew...



lol and what do you think of nancy drew?


i guess i'm wondering is it better than my last one, worse, or meh.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Mauve on February 17, 2008, 07:12:51 PM
I sort of enjoy the irony.

I'm not sure Nancy Drew should be hanging out in a thread where last week's topic of conversation was semen digestion. 

Only because Nancy Drew is too busy performing cunilingus.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 17, 2008, 07:17:40 PM
I sort of enjoy the irony.

I'm not sure Nancy Drew should be hanging out in a thread where last week's topic of conversation was semen digestion. 


pffft.  my mom knows i'm here.



eta:  what irony?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 18, 2008, 08:52:33 AM
I sort of enjoy the irony.

I'm not sure Nancy Drew should be hanging out in a thread where last week's topic of conversation was semen digestion. 

Only because Nancy Drew is too busy performing cunilingus.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D



dont laugh at that! :pinches sax:

and answer my question!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 18, 2008, 11:49:48 AM
WHY NOT?!  She's clearly a lesbian!  Explains the chunky sweaters. 

What question?


oh, i thought you were talking about me.

<---hates chunky sweaters

and the "irony" comment......
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 18, 2008, 01:32:00 PM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: stewie griffin on February 18, 2008, 01:40:54 PM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

Dude, they were super gay.  I used to get boners reading the descriptions of Frank and Joe's athletic bodies.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: goaliechica on February 18, 2008, 01:41:24 PM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

I don't know about Nancy, but George was a lesbian for sure, dude.

::remembers The Secret of the Old Clock::

::likes it::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 18, 2008, 02:35:57 PM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

Dude, they were super gay.  I used to get boners reading the descriptions of Frank and Joe's athletic bodies.

Where was this!?  :o

::searches furiously for old books::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on February 18, 2008, 03:22:18 PM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

I don't know about Nancy, but George was a lesbian for sure, dude.

::remembers The Secret of the Old Cock::

::likes it::



fixt ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: goaliechica on February 18, 2008, 03:36:25 PM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

I don't know about Nancy, but George was a lesbian for sure, dude.

::remembers The Secret of the Old Cock::

::likes it::



fixt ;)

lol.

Called out!


Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Astro on February 18, 2008, 08:15:26 PM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

I don't know about Nancy, but George was a lesbian for sure, dude.

::remembers The Secret of the Old Clock::

::likes it::

<-- read it also
<-- liked it...  ???
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: stewie griffin on February 19, 2008, 11:12:09 AM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

Dude, they were super gay.  I used to get boners reading the descriptions of Frank and Joe's athletic bodies.

I had a crush on Henry Huggins  :-\

lol.  I know you did NOT just bring some Beverly Cleary up in here.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Saxby Clemens II on February 19, 2008, 11:28:20 AM
i never knew she was a lesbian.

i always figured she was doing the hardy boys.

i mean come on: the HARDY boys?

Dude, they were super gay.  I used to get boners reading the descriptions of Frank and Joe's athletic bodies.

I had a crush on Henry Huggins  :-\

lol.  I know you did NOT just bring some Beverly Cleary up in here.

I LOVED Beverly Cleary.  A classmate wrote to her in 4th grade and got a response back, and the principal read it over the PA system.  I was so incredibly jealous. 

I wanted to be Henry's best friend.  We'd deliver papers and play ball with Ribsy.  Have campouts in the backyard that involved a little friendly exploration...that sort of thing. 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: stewie griffin on February 19, 2008, 01:25:02 PM

I had a crush on Henry Huggins  :-\

lol.  I know you did NOT just bring some Beverly Cleary up in here.

I LOVED Beverly Cleary.  A classmate wrote to her in 4th grade and got a response back, and the principal read it over the PA system.  I was so incredibly jealous. 

I wanted to be Henry's best friend.  We'd deliver papers and play ball with Ribsy.  Have campouts in the backyard that involved a little friendly exploration...that sort of thing. 

Yeah, Henry Huggins was totally cute.  Rough-and-tumble, but still a good guy with a sensitive heart.  And I totally agree with you on the backyard campouts.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on February 19, 2008, 05:05:35 PM
WTF happened to this thread?  :-\
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on February 19, 2008, 05:33:18 PM
WTF happened to this thread?  :-\

I'm not exactly sure, but I think we need to seriously steer it in a new direction so:

I was pretty set on Michigan, but I've been leaning more and more towards Virginia and I've read and talked to more people.  Does anybody have comparative knowledge about the two from an LGBTQ standpoint?

Thanks!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 19, 2008, 05:35:18 PM
WTF happened to this thread?  :-\

I'm not exactly sure, but I think we need to seriously steer it in a new direction so:

I was pretty set on Michigan, but I've been leaning more and more towards Virginia and I've read and talked to more people.  Does anybody have comparative knowledge about the two from an LGBTQ standpoint?

Thanks!

Anecdotally, I feel like Michigan is probably much, much friendlier.  The other year there was an incident or two at UVa.  One of them I believe was a drink thrown at a gay student who brought his SO to one of those law school "prom" functions.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on February 19, 2008, 06:43:46 PM
WTF happened to this thread?  :-\

I'm not exactly sure, but I think we need to seriously steer it in a new direction so:

I was pretty set on Michigan, but I've been leaning more and more towards Virginia and I've read and talked to more people.  Does anybody have comparative knowledge about the two from an LGBTQ standpoint?

Thanks!

I agree with Quail - Michigan is probably much friendlier. I've only heard great things about Michigan when it comes to the queer-friendliness. With UVA, it's usually nothing or something disconcerting.

That being said...you should really be leaning towards Penn  ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on February 19, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
Well, hell, even I had a crush on Henry Huggins but jeez this thread is whack :P

Anyway, after living here I feel sorry for gay students at UVA... it's awesome here, you'll find out when you visit. I don't know how else to explain it. :P
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 19, 2008, 10:10:03 PM
Well, hell, even I had a crush on Henry Huggins but jeez this thread is whack :P

Anyway, after living here I feel sorry for gay students at UVA... it's awesome here, you'll find out when you visit. I don't know how else to explain it. :P
'

..and we have NO gay drama whatsoever...NONE, ever. NEVER.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on February 20, 2008, 08:49:47 AM
Well, hell, even I had a crush on Henry Huggins but jeez this thread is whack :P

Anyway, after living here I feel sorry for gay students at UVA... it's awesome here, you'll find out when you visit. I don't know how else to explain it. :P
'

..and we have NO gay drama whatsoever...NONE, ever. NEVER.

well, I don't :P
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on February 20, 2008, 01:48:51 PM
Well, hell, even I had a crush on Henry Huggins but jeez this thread is whack :P

Anyway, after living here I feel sorry for gay students at UVA... it's awesome here, you'll find out when you visit. I don't know how else to explain it. :P
'

..and we have NO gay drama whatsoever...NONE, ever. NEVER.


well, I don't :P

I plead the 5th.  wait, you're not my wife --but I plead the 5th anyway.  Chemerinsky would let me...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on February 20, 2008, 02:11:14 PM
Ha. PS - why is it that when I have the most work to do, I somehow find the most time for LSD? :P

Speaking of getting married, I really want to over apring break, but SOMEONE had to go and put the kabash on that. Apparently "practicing civil disobedience" isn't a good enough reason to get married anymore. :P

Also - I think I said this before but to everyone coming to Mich. preview weekend, Outlaws has some fun activities in the works and I hope to see you all there!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on February 20, 2008, 04:01:34 PM
::Does the happydance::
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on February 20, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
What sort of stuff does Outlaws have planned? I really want to be convinced that Michigan can support my extremely boring gay lifestyle.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Saxby Clemens II on February 20, 2008, 08:52:28 PM
Well, hell, even I had a crush on Henry Huggins but jeez this thread is whack :P

Anyway, after living here I feel sorry for gay students at UVA... it's awesome here, you'll find out when you visit. I don't know how else to explain it. :P

The Henry Huggins bit was really a huge step up from what we were discussing last week...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on February 21, 2008, 09:37:12 AM
What sort of stuff does Outlaws have planned? I really want to be convinced that Michigan can support my extremely boring gay lifestyle.

Bar night at the local gay bar, and a q&a type thing at a coffee shop, and a house party followed by clubbing... something for everyone :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Saxby Clemens II on February 21, 2008, 01:04:32 PM
I really must visit A2 when I'm home for spring break.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: sandphire on February 25, 2008, 06:01:15 PM
Re: UVA - have you looked at Virginia laws lately (sorry, I live here, so I've gotten to painfully watch every new policy they've tried to pass)?  I'm sure UVA in general is better than the state as a whole, but I get the idea that UVA is pretty far down the list of gay friendly.  But this is just from what I've gathered, not from anything direct or any sort of actual knowledge.  I have heard good things about the rest of their program, and I like some of their clinical options, and Virginia as a state isn't horrible in general, just not very tolerant law wise. 

While we're asking about other schools - anyone, anyone at all know about Northwestern??
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Saxby Clemens II on February 27, 2008, 12:11:33 PM
These reminded me of our slightly wrong discussion of arousing books for children:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15923_40-most-inappropriate-childrens-book-covers.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_15923_40-most-inappropriate-childrens-book-covers.html)

I'll just say I would have loved the Boxcar Children even more if I'd gotten up to volume 69. 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: playingthewaitinggame on March 03, 2008, 09:59:46 AM
Is anyone on here a student at Vanderbilt and/or have any input on Vanderbilt?  I tried to get in touch with their OUTLaw officers, but the email address was undeliverable according to gmail, haha, and the GLBT office of the undergrad hasn't responded to me... :(

Maybe that in itself should say something...? lol
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on March 03, 2008, 10:44:40 AM
Is anyone on here a student at Vanderbilt and/or have any input on Vanderbilt?  I tried to get in touch with their OUTLaw officers, but the email address was undeliverable according to gmail, haha, and the GLBT office of the undergrad hasn't responded to me... :(

Maybe that in itself should say something...? lol

I visited last year and was superunderimpressed by Nashville's gay life -- or at least whatever I was able to see of it in my one day there. Also, I seem to remember there being only one generic LGBT Vandy website for all of its LGBT campus groups and it was really out of date and poorly organized.  Can you call the admissions office ( I seem to remember that they were really helpful) and ask them to give you the phone number of an out student?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: playingthewaitinggame on March 03, 2008, 10:49:00 AM
Is anyone on here a student at Vanderbilt and/or have any input on Vanderbilt?  I tried to get in touch with their OUTLaw officers, but the email address was undeliverable according to gmail, haha, and the GLBT office of the undergrad hasn't responded to me... :(

Maybe that in itself should say something...? lol

I visited last year and was superunderimpressed by Nashville's gay life -- or at least whatever I was able to see of it in my one day there. Also, I seem to remember there being only one generic LGBT Vandy website for all of its LGBT campus groups and it was really out of date and poorly organized.  Can you call the admissions office ( I seem to remember that they were really helpful) and ask them to give you the phone number of an out student?

yeah, that's a really good idea.  I have a feeling (and I'll admit, I'm making assumptions here..)that it's not going to be the bessssst environment for me.  I'm going down to nashville on the 13th, so that'll help a lot.  I'm trying to decide between Texas, Vandy, Georgetown and Michigan (yes, yes, I know michigan is where I should go ;) ).  Vandy and Texas gave me really good scholarships...so it's hard to rationalize Michigan and potentially georgetown with that in mind.  But, of course, I don't want to be miserable.  So I'm trying to get as much info as I can.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: pamar on March 03, 2008, 10:53:34 AM
IS anybody familiar with the gay scene at American niversity Washington College of Law?

How about in DC in general?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 03, 2008, 10:57:40 AM
Is anyone on here a student at Vanderbilt and/or have any input on Vanderbilt?  I tried to get in touch with their OUTLaw officers, but the email address was undeliverable according to gmail, haha, and the GLBT office of the undergrad hasn't responded to me... :(

Maybe that in itself should say something...? lol

I have a friend who went to Vanderbilt - he only stayed for his 1L year and transfered to Penn b/c of his experience as a gay student. Granted that's only one perspective and I think he was sort of coming out at that point which probably made it harder but he did not think the law school was an inclusive/supportive/gay-friendly environment.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 03, 2008, 11:02:36 AM
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IS anybody familiar with the gay scene at American niversity Washington College of Law?

How about in DC in general?

This is pure hearsay, but I understand American UG has a reputation for having lots of gay students. DC overall has your pretty standard large northeastern city gay scene, centered around Dupont Circle. It's definitely a gay-hospitable city.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: playingthewaitinggame on March 03, 2008, 11:18:18 AM
Is anyone on here a student at Vanderbilt and/or have any input on Vanderbilt?  I tried to get in touch with their OUTLaw officers, but the email address was undeliverable according to gmail, haha, and the GLBT office of the undergrad hasn't responded to me... :(

Maybe that in itself should say something...? lol

I have a friend who went to Vanderbilt - he only stayed for his 1L year and transfered to Penn b/c of his experience as a gay student. Granted that's only one perspective and I think he was sort of coming out at that point which probably made it harder but he did not think the law school was an inclusive/supportive/gay-friendly environment.

that's what I was afraid of...I'll see if the people at vandy get back to me and I'll take it from there, I suppose
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 03, 2008, 11:18:37 AM
IS anybody familiar with the gay scene at American niversity Washington College of Law?

How about in DC in general?

AU is great. I know several gay students at the law school and they're all very happy. Public Interest law is huge there, and at the risk of stereotyping, people passionate about public interest work generally have very positive/supportive outlooks toward LGBT individual/causes.

And DC is awesome. Dupont circle = the gayborhood..tons of restaurants, bars, shops. HRC's headquarters is in DC- they host a bunch of stuff. The police department has its own unit dedicated to LGBT issues/safety/citizens. It's the type of place where you can find gay bars, quasi-gay bars, or be gay in a straight bar and not really think twice (this has at least been my experience). Same sex couples walk down the street holding hands (at least in and around Dupont) and it's a non-issue. The Blade is DC's gay newspaper and Metro Weekly is the magazine (more of the social scene) - you'll see both in restaurants/sidewalkes throughout the city. Overall I think it's a great place. My only complaint would be the 1 lesbian bar to about 20 gay men's bars but what else is new... I definitely want to move back after school.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Saxby Clemens II on March 03, 2008, 11:29:30 AM
Don't you think Dupont is sort of passe?  It seems the younger crowd flocks more frequently to Logan.  It's a very accepting environment, overall.  There is defnitely no need to feel like you have to keep your identity under wraps in DC.  The social scene does annoyingly center around the same four or five bars on continuous loop (few lesbians, lots of aging fratboys hanging onto youth via Abercrombie and desperate attempts to get into Metro Weekly with their shirts off), but I would imagine overall it's a much more hospitable environment than exists in Tennessee.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 03, 2008, 11:52:11 AM
Don't you think Dupont is sort of passe?  It seems the younger crowd flocks more frequently to Logan.  It's a very accepting environment, overall.  There is defnitely no need to feel like you have to keep your identity under wraps in DC.  The social scene does annoyingly center around the same four or five bars on continuous loop (few lesbians, lots of aging fratboys hanging onto youth via Abercrombie and desperate attempts to get into Metro Weekly with their shirts off), but I would imagine overall it's a much more hospitable environment than exists in Tennessee.

Possibly but for someone new to DC it may not seem that way. Living in Dupont it got a little old after a while but now that I'm in Arlington, I do miss it. Cobalt used to do a ladies happy hour on wednesday nights that was fun..then the new woman-hating management took over and that ended. I'd still go out there every once in a while. I live for Annie's brunch and I think some of the other restaurants on 17th are great where you can sit on the patio and eat. Logan is also a great area...I kind of consider that Dupont in my head. I actually like Halo even though it's kind of pretentious. If I were a guy that wouldn't be my seen but I know some of the bar tenders and it's a pretty common place for HRC happy hours (used to work there so it's nice to see familiar faces.) My new favorite place is Fab Lounge. I LOVE that place. I like that there's men and woman, old and young, you can dance or sit and have a conversation etc... I think DC has a lot of choices/variety and especially compared to most other cities/towns.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Saxby Clemens II on March 03, 2008, 12:03:24 PM
I went to Cobalt for some gay law student thing they had in September and it was the only time I've seen women there, lol.  There were only two, but still, was nice to see someone devoid of penis.  Halo is such a nice space, I wish it wasn't so stick-up-your-ass (no pun intended). 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Quail! on March 03, 2008, 12:11:21 PM
was nice to see someone devoid of penis

You are a terrible liar.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Saxby Clemens II on March 03, 2008, 12:25:29 PM
was nice to see someone devoid of penis

You are a terrible liar.

I am nothing if not inclusive. 

and a terrible liar
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on March 03, 2008, 09:03:49 PM
I'm jealous... I wish we had a gayborhood :(
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on March 03, 2008, 09:21:19 PM
I'm jealous... I wish we had a gayborhood :(

Uhm, we do: our house! ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Matthew on March 03, 2008, 10:49:46 PM
I'm jealous... I wish we had a gayborhood :(

I'm sure you're better off than a lot of places.  IE, Nashville might just have to do rather than Ann Arbor now that Vanderbilt gave me 33k/year.  I'm in love with Michigan, but I can't see that justifying 100k in debt.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: saar on March 07, 2008, 11:52:39 AM
Is anyone on here a student at Vanderbilt and/or have any input on Vanderbilt?  I tried to get in touch with their OUTLaw officers, but the email address was undeliverable according to gmail, haha, and the GLBT office of the undergrad hasn't responded to me... :(

Maybe that in itself should say something...? lol

I visited last year and was superunderimpressed by Nashville's gay life -- or at least whatever I was able to see of it in my one day there. Also, I seem to remember there being only one generic LGBT Vandy website for all of its LGBT campus groups and it was really out of date and poorly organized.  Can you call the admissions office ( I seem to remember that they were really helpful) and ask them to give you the phone number of an out student?


Hey, I did undergrad at Vandy and was a member of Lambda (graduated in December) so I thought I would weigh in. Vanderbilt's not the MOST LGBT-friendly university in the US, but the current administration is trying to change that (a new non-discrimination policy including gender identity has been implemented, we're doing a Pride-like week at the end of this month, and our new chancellor is very LGBT-friendly and supportive). I've been to an event hosted by the Vandy Law LGBT group, and it was pretty well attended. They've also been to some of our events as well. The LGBT community at Vandy isn't that big, but it's growing. I know Vanderbilt as a whole is trying to recruit some more LGBT people, since most other top-20 schools (including those in the south like Emory and Duke) are outpacing us right now in that respect.

Nashville gay life, when compared to bigger cities, isn't that impressive, but it's definitely better for us here than it is in the rest of the state. Most of the gay clubs are on Church Street, with the best ones being Tribe and PLAY. A large percentage of gay people live in the East Nashville area, which is an "up and coming" part of the city with a bar scene centered around Five Points. The only good lesbian bar in the city is also in East Nashville, the Lipstick Lounge. It's small, but always packed. Lesbians also make it out to PLAY on Thursday nights for "ladies night," probably the only night where men don't outnumber women 10 to 1. You can also find a lot of gays at Cafe Coco and Springwater, two locations really close to campus. We have a Nashville Pride weekend in the summer, with about 10 to 15,000 people in attendance.

I'd say Nashville has a long way to go as far as LGBT awareness, but there are many local activist groups. The most annoying thing about the state is probably all of the brilliant legislation that the state legislature tries to pass. Our constitutional ban on gay marriage passed with 81% of the vote, and right now they're trying AGAIN to make it illegal for gay couples to adopt. Yay!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 07, 2008, 12:12:52 PM
Does anyone know on what night the Outlaws stuff at the Michigan ASW next weekend is going to be?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on March 07, 2008, 01:57:39 PM
Does anyone know on what night the Outlaws stuff at the Michigan ASW next weekend is going to be?

I think Friday there's coffee, a house party, and clubbing. - still pissed I can't go. :(

I'm not sure what's going on Thursday or Saturday.  There will be some sort of announcement when you get here.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: demandsatisfaction on March 08, 2008, 01:27:58 AM
Does anyone know on what night the Outlaws stuff at the Michigan ASW next weekend is going to be?

I think Friday there's coffee, a house party, and clubbing. - still pissed I can't go. :(

I'm not sure what's going on Thursday or Saturday.  There will be some sort of announcement when you get here.

Thursday night we're going to Aut Bar, Friday afternoon is the coffee event/student event fair, and Friday night is a house party and a trip to Necto (Ann Arbor's "gay club night").  I think some people are also heading to Aut again on Saturday night if there are still some people left.

It's going to be a good time!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on March 10, 2008, 12:52:22 PM
Does anyone know on what night the Outlaws stuff at the Michigan ASW next weekend is going to be?

I think Friday there's coffee, a house party, and clubbing. - still pissed I can't go. :(

I'm not sure what's going on Thursday or Saturday.  There will be some sort of announcement when you get here.

Thursday night we're going to Aut Bar, Friday afternoon is the coffee event/student event fair, and Friday night is a house party and a trip to Necto (Ann Arbor's "gay club night").  I think some people are also heading to Aut again on Saturday night if there are still some people left.

It's going to be a good time!

Yeah the Thursday night thing will be right after the SFF auction (which I HIGHLY recommend attending - it's a riot or at least it was last yaer) - we'll be meeting to walk to Aut Bar afterwards. Friday evening there is coffee, followed by a house party, followed by Necto, just like "demandsatisfaction" (lol) said...

In any case there will be a flier in your registration folder with all of the info for all of the events being put on by the student org's. See you there!
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: demandsatisfaction on March 10, 2008, 06:47:46 PM
Does anyone know on what night the Outlaws stuff at the Michigan ASW next weekend is going to be?

I think Friday there's coffee, a house party, and clubbing. - still pissed I can't go. :(

I'm not sure what's going on Thursday or Saturday.  There will be some sort of announcement when you get here.

Thursday night we're going to Aut Bar, Friday afternoon is the coffee event/student event fair, and Friday night is a house party and a trip to Necto (Ann Arbor's "gay club night").  I think some people are also heading to Aut again on Saturday night if there are still some people left.

It's going to be a good time!

Yeah the Thursday night thing will be right after the SFF auction (which I HIGHLY recommend attending - it's a riot or at least it was last yaer) - we'll be meeting to walk to Aut Bar afterwards. Friday evening there is coffee, followed by a house party, followed by Necto, just like "demandsatisfaction" (lol) said...

In any case there will be a flier in your registration folder with all of the info for all of the events being put on by the student org's. See you there!


I will have you know that I DO demand satisfaction on a fairly regular basis, "Pearl"!

And yes, yes I am in Sex Equality class right now--what of it?
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Bouzie on March 10, 2008, 07:00:08 PM
Does anyone know on what night the Outlaws stuff at the Michigan ASW next weekend is going to be?

I think Friday there's coffee, a house party, and clubbing. - still pissed I can't go. :(

I'm not sure what's going on Thursday or Saturday.  There will be some sort of announcement when you get here.

Thursday night we're going to Aut Bar, Friday afternoon is the coffee event/student event fair, and Friday night is a house party and a trip to Necto (Ann Arbor's "gay club night").  I think some people are also heading to Aut again on Saturday night if there are still some people left.

It's going to be a good time!

Yeah the Thursday night thing will be right after the SFF auction (which I HIGHLY recommend attending - it's a riot or at least it was last yaer) - we'll be meeting to walk to Aut Bar afterwards. Friday evening there is coffee, followed by a house party, followed by Necto, just like "demandsatisfaction" (lol) said...

In any case there will be a flier in your registration folder with all of the info for all of the events being put on by the student org's. See you there!


I will have you know that I DO demand satisfaction on a fairly regular basis, "Pearl"!

And yes, yes I am in Sex Equality class right now--what of it?


You're in class now?!  You better get started on the reading Tom Cruise assinged to us.  200 pages in one night, seriously?
If that's not 'homosexual conduct' I don't know what is.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Ulfrekr on March 10, 2008, 07:03:08 PM
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I will have you know that I DO demand satisfaction on a fairly regular basis, "Pearl"!

Jeez, FINALLY some flirting in this thread...


 ;)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: demandsatisfaction on March 10, 2008, 07:14:57 PM
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I will have you know that I DO demand satisfaction on a fairly regular basis, "Pearl"!

Jeez, FINALLY some flirting in this thread...


 ;)


For the record, I have only the fondest memories of singing Jabberwocky in high school choir...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on March 12, 2008, 08:27:02 AM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: demandsatisfaction on March 12, 2008, 08:43:50 AM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST

This coming from the girl who picks TINA as her L Word character of choice? 

We need to have a serious talk about your taste in women. 
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 12, 2008, 08:44:05 AM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST

OMG it's sooooooo Juliette. I called her a million years ago in Gia when she was Angelina's girlfriend (it seriously doesn't get any better than that).
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 12, 2008, 08:54:45 AM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST

This coming from the girl who picks TINA as her L Word character of choice? 

We need to have a serious talk about your taste in women. 

hahaha that's really funny. Although my friends make fun of me because I once said Tina was my favorite too (way back in the day when I was still stuck in straightville) They all just said "amateur." And they were right. Shane is now my fav...
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on March 12, 2008, 10:43:13 AM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST

This coming from the girl who picks TINA as her L Word character of choice? 

We need to have a serious talk about your taste in women. 

hahaha that's really funny. Although my friends make fun of me because I once said Tina was my favorite too (way back in the day when I was still stuck in straightville) They all just said "amateur." And they were right. Shane is now my fav...

Shane? How cliche is that?! Shane is a huge skank!

YES - THE WOMEN ARE FINALLY TAKING OVER THIS THREAD!

Back on topic - Tina is hot, feminine, loyal, sweet, nice, caring - all the things I love in a woman :)
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 12, 2008, 10:57:01 AM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST

This coming from the girl who picks TINA as her L Word character of choice? 

We need to have a serious talk about your taste in women. 

hahaha that's really funny. Although my friends make fun of me because I once said Tina was my favorite too (way back in the day when I was still stuck in straightville) They all just said "amateur." And they were right. Shane is now my fav...

Shane? How cliche is that?! Shane is a huge skank!

YES - THE WOMEN ARE FINALLY TAKING OVER THIS THREAD!

Back on topic - Tina is hot, feminine, loyal, sweet, nice, caring - all the things I love in a woman :)

haha Tina's so boring though. And she's not that cute. See I like those things in a woman too but there is something about Shane. Actually Shane is the most loyal, caring, and drama-free friend of the group - she's just a little off with the people she dates.  I think if I saw her in person she might need a restraining order. Now that is very cliche :)

But shane aside, it would be Shane's ex from last season, then tasha, then dana, then bette, then alice then carmen before Tina. Oh and Jenny doesn't even make the list.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: demandsatisfaction on March 12, 2008, 11:41:37 AM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST

This coming from the girl who picks TINA as her L Word character of choice? 

We need to have a serious talk about your taste in women. 

hahaha that's really funny. Although my friends make fun of me because I once said Tina was my favorite too (way back in the day when I was still stuck in straightville) They all just said "amateur." And they were right. Shane is now my fav...

Shane? How cliche is that?! Shane is a huge skank!

YES - THE WOMEN ARE FINALLY TAKING OVER THIS THREAD!

Back on topic - Tina is hot, feminine, loyal, sweet, nice, caring - all the things I love in a woman :)

haha Tina's so boring though. And she's not that cute. See I like those things in a woman too but there is something about Shane. Actually Shane is the most loyal, caring, and drama-free friend of the group - she's just a little off with the people she dates.  I think if I saw her in person she might need a restraining order. Now that is very cliche :)

But shane aside, it would be Shane's ex from last season, then tasha, then dana, then bette, then alice then carmen before Tina. Oh and Jenny doesn't even make the list.

Outlaw 22--I applaud you in your taste in L Word women.  Tasha definitely comes in at a close second. 

"Pearl"--You can be sure that I'm gloating right now
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Thistle on March 12, 2008, 01:31:08 PM
<-----  never gets to watch tv, so obviously a pariah
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: armada on March 12, 2008, 02:05:21 PM
If only demandsatisfaction really demanded satisfaction in her choice of hottest LOST character... come on - Juliette? Really? REALLY??? LAME!

KATE = HOTTEST FEMALE ON LOST

This coming from the girl who picks TINA as her L Word character of choice? 

We need to have a serious talk about your taste in women. 

hahaha that's really funny. Although my friends make fun of me because I once said Tina was my favorite too (way back in the day when I was still stuck in straightville) They all just said "amateur." And they were right. Shane is now my fav...

Shane? How cliche is that?! Shane is a huge skank!

YES - THE WOMEN ARE FINALLY TAKING OVER THIS THREAD!

Back on topic - Tina is hot, feminine, loyal, sweet, nice, caring - all the things I love in a woman :)


I'll second that statement.
Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Pearl on March 12, 2008, 03:54:26 PM
Forget the L word - to prove that I have kick ass taste in women, just look at my GF she is basically the perfect woman :)

That being said,

TINA IS THE *&^%. And she's not boring! She's just not psycho like most of the L word characters... I would classify her  as "normal," not boring... I would probably be boring too if I were on the L word... actually I would probably be Alice... but dress like Bette... 



Title: Re: The LGBTQ Thread
Post by: Outlaw22 on March 12, 2008, 05:11:29 PM
Forget the L word - to prove that I have kick ass taste in women, just look at my GF she is basically the perfect woman :)

That being said,

TINA IS THE poo. And she's not boring! She's just not psycho like most of the L word characters... I would classify her  as "normal," not boring... I would probably be boring too if I were on the L word... actually I would probably be Alice... but dress like Bette... 



I tried to email producers of the L Word to find out who Bette's stylist is. I LOVE the way she dresses. I'm still waiting to hear back. When I'm rich, I'm paying that person to buy my clothes.

I think there's a difference betw