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Title: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 12, 2004, 01:46:24 PM
Wow. Everyone thought that Gov. James McGreevey (D-NJ) was going to resign today due to a plethora of corruption charges. But it turns out he had an extramarital affair with another man. He said: "I am a gay American." Not sure if he mentioned corruption charges....

Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 01:49:48 PM
another reason why americans should avoid new jersey like bad BO.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 01:50:09 PM
after all, it is called the armpit of america.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 01:50:34 PM
isnt mcgreevey married???
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 01:52:18 PM
I just saw the press conference. That really was out of the blue...  all of a sudden he announces that he's gay, had an affair with another man, and  resigned. I feel bad for him, and his family. I can't even imagine how hard this must be for them.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 01:53:19 PM
isnt mcgreevey married???

Not only is he married, he has kids. And he is Catholic.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 12, 2004, 01:54:08 PM
McGreevey is married. He had an extramarital affair with a man.... He is postponing his resignation until Nov. 15 so that there doesn't have to be a special election on General Election Day. This is so his Democratic cronies can maintain power.... Ridiculous. Let the people elect a new Governor if you are going to resign....
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 01:58:16 PM
The caption on the bottom of the screen one the channel  I saw said : "McGreevy Admits He is Gay"  I know its terrible, and not funny at all, but I just started cracking up. I couldn't help it
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 12, 2004, 01:59:31 PM
Watch the remarks about Jersey.  I grew up there and look at me.

It is ironic that he's Catholic.  Well, it is to me.

Aren't politics exciting?
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:06:04 PM
back in my days of being crass and callous, i would have said some nice smart ass retort to that.  but since im a nice guy now, im sorry :)

but i dont find it ironic that he's catholic.  otherwise, i would find irony in these catholic priests molesting children as well.

Watch the remarks about Jersey.  I grew up there and look at me.

It is ironic that he's Catholic.  Well, it is to me.

Aren't politics exciting?
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 02:06:55 PM
o wow.Aaccording to nbc, just now, McGreevy is about to be sued for sexual harassment by an Isrealli man who was going to be a homeland security advisor, but didn't get the job for some reason.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 12, 2004, 02:09:22 PM
it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality

back in my days of being crass and callous, i would have said some nice smart ass retort to that.  but since im a nice guy now, im sorry :)

but i dont find it ironic that he's catholic.  otherwise, i would find irony in these catholic priests molesting children as well.

Watch the remarks about Jersey.  I grew up there and look at me.

It is ironic that he's Catholic.  Well, it is to me.

Aren't politics exciting?
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: Ginatio on August 12, 2004, 02:09:53 PM
funniest political resignation.............. ever

(http://www.thesimpsons.stopklatka.pl/bohaterowie/img/miastowi_cbg.gif)
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: corleone on August 12, 2004, 02:10:16 PM
for the non believers

  http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/mcgreevey.nj/index.html

 c.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:12:30 PM
isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality

Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lexylit on August 12, 2004, 02:16:08 PM
isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

i believe you're thinking of the song "teenage suicide, DON'T DO IT" from the movie heathers

(it's your turn, heather. no heather, it's heather's turn!)
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 12, 2004, 02:17:05 PM
Why are you taking a simplismtic view?  Are you saying that what two adults men do in private equate to the rape of children?

isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality

Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:19:07 PM
no, im saying that i would think the catholic faith would condemn both acts and have similar stances on either, whether its two adults, a child and an adult, or three adults and three children. 

what exactly is the catholic church's stance on homosexuality then?

Why are you taking a simplismtic view?  Are you saying that what two adults men do in private equate to the rape of children?

isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality

Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 02:19:28 PM
isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality



not quite.... according to the Church, all premarrital and extramarrital sex is a sin. Since a gay couple can't have kids, the can't get married. Anyone who isn't married is "called to live a chaste life", which means no sex. It gets more complicated from there, but basically, the Church says that being gay is not a sin, but having gay sex is. So they expect gay people to be virgin for their entire lives. At least, this is what was in my high school morality textbook.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:24:51 PM
now, thats an interesting point...ive never heard it explained that way.  thanks luck.

is that why some parishes allow gay priests?  or do i have that mixed up with some other belief/religion?

not quite.... according to the Church, all premarrital and extramarrital sex is a sin. Since a gay couple can't have kids, the can't get married. Anyone who isn't married is "called to live a chaste life", which means no sex. It gets more complicated from there, but basically, the Church says that being gay is not a sin, but having gay sex is. So they expect gay people to be virgin for their entire lives. At least, this is what was in my high school morality textbook.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 12, 2004, 02:27:28 PM
Homosexuality is a sin according to the Church.
So is child rape, but let's hope that the Church can see the difference between the two.

I'm at a loss to understand why you want to equate the two.

The Catholic Church does not allow gays to become priests.

The Episcopal Church does and even has a gay bishop, but that is tearing their church apart.

no, im saying that i would think the catholic faith would condemn both acts and have similar stances on either, whether its two adults, a child and an adult, or three adults and three children. 

what exactly is the catholic church's stance on homosexuality then?

Why are you taking a simplismtic view?  Are you saying that what two adults men do in private equate to the rape of children?

isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality

Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:29:10 PM
are there different degrees of sin?  if so, which is worse?

Homosexuality is a sin according to the Church.
So is child rape, but let's hope that the Church can see the difference between the two.

I'm at a loss to understand why you want to equate the two.

The Catholic Church does not allow gays to become priests.

The Episcopal Church does and even has a gay bishop, but that is tearing their church apart.

no, im saying that i would think the catholic faith would condemn both acts and have similar stances on either, whether its two adults, a child and an adult, or three adults and three children. 

what exactly is the catholic church's stance on homosexuality then?

Why are you taking a simplismtic view?  Are you saying that what two adults men do in private equate to the rape of children?

isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality

Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: nathanielmark on August 12, 2004, 02:29:30 PM
i liked McGreevey before this...  if he is gay he has no business gettting married to a woman and having kids.  poor kids.  


Homosexuality is a sin according to the Church.
So is child rape, but let's hope that the Church can see the difference between the two.

I'm at a loss to understand why you want to equate the two.

The Catholic Church does not allow gays to become priests.

The Episcopal Church does and even has a gay bishop, but that is tearing their church apart.

no, im saying that i would think the catholic faith would condemn both acts and have similar stances on either, whether its two adults, a child and an adult, or three adults and three children. 

what exactly is the catholic church's stance on homosexuality then?

Why are you taking a simplismtic view?  Are you saying that what two adults men do in private equate to the rape of children?

isnt the church's position on child molestion and/or rape similar to its position on homosexuality - DONT DO IT?

it's not in the same category as child molestation.  That's rape.

I find it ironic because of the Church's position on homosexuality

Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:30:20 PM
im with you on this...the kids and the wife are the biggest victims in this. 

i liked McGreevey before this...  if he is gay he has no business gettting married to a woman and having kids.  poor kids.  


Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:30:39 PM
unless the wife was in on it too.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: nathanielmark on August 12, 2004, 02:32:19 PM
she could have been for money, he for politics, but that would not make it right to do that to kids.

unless the wife was in on it too.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: Ginatio on August 12, 2004, 02:33:28 PM
the wife's actually a lesbian, and the kids are hired actors...
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: buster on August 12, 2004, 02:34:33 PM
lol; did no one notice one of the kids is black?  ;)

the wife's actually a lesbian, and the kids are hired actors...
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 02:34:58 PM
Well, I think that, like a lot of Church teachings, its all a little bit confusing and complicated. What we were taught is that if someone is born gay, its not their fault, so its not a sin (there was no choice involved). However, if they act on it, by say, sleeping with another guy/girl, etc, then its a sin. Impure thoughts, solo sex, etc. would also be sins. Thats why the Church, unlike some other demoninations, has no un-gaying programs.

It is def. true that priests can't be openly gay or have gay relationships. Of course, some still are, but thats a whole 'nother topic.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: Ginatio on August 12, 2004, 02:35:31 PM
and on social security...

lol; did no one notice one of the kids is black?  ;)

the wife's actually a lesbian, and the kids are hired actors...
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 02:41:27 PM
are there different degrees of sin?  if so, which is worse?

If someone went to confession for things like that, I'm sure the penance would be very different.

There are mortal sins and venial sins. Sort of  like the difference between a felony and a misdemeanor.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lexylit on August 12, 2004, 02:47:35 PM
is the belief really that even impure thoughts can be controlled? (i.e. you said earlier that "being" gay might not be a sin but acting on it is, as it's within your control to abstain)
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 12, 2004, 02:51:24 PM
Yes there are degrees of sin.

If I lie to you, that's not as bad as killing you.

Child rape is worse than concentual homosexual acts.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 02:52:50 PM
is that a catholic specific belief?  cuz other denominations do not believe that (ie southern baptists, presbyterians, methodists). 

Yes there are degrees of sin.

If I lie to you, that's not as bad as killing you.

Child rape is worse than concentual homosexual acts.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 03:00:01 PM
is the belief really that even impure thoughts can be controlled? (i.e. you said earlier that "being" gay might not be a sin but acting on it is, as it's within your control to abstain)

honestly, that didn't totally make sense to me when I heard it. I guess the idea is to avoid sitting around, fantasizing all day

I'm not saying I agree with or even understand  everything the Church says. I'm just trying to explain what I was taught
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: nathanielmark on August 12, 2004, 03:01:02 PM
why is his wife smiling thru this whole thing?  maybe it is the money...
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lexylit on August 12, 2004, 03:01:43 PM
I'm not saying I agree with or even understand  everything the Church says. I'm just trying to explain what I was taught

i know. didnt mean to make you an ambassador for catholicism.

i have a lot of questions but the answers tend to make me kind of angry anyway  :-\
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 03:02:44 PM
why is his wife smiling thru this whole thing?  maybe it is the money...

or maybe shes thinking of the multiple guy action she might get.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lucky7 on August 12, 2004, 03:03:54 PM
why is his wife smiling thru this whole thing?  maybe it is the money...

it looked like a weird, frozen smile. sort of like a "must smile. must not become violent, or cry, or try to turn the mike off. nope, gotta smile"
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dsong02 on August 12, 2004, 03:05:17 PM
you think the wife is gonna come out and say the normal politician's wife speech: "i am standing by my husband and support him in every possible way."
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: nathanielmark on August 12, 2004, 03:13:03 PM
maybe a book is in order.

you think the wife is gonna come out and say the normal politician's wife speech: "i am standing by my husband and support him in every possible way."
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: Ginatio on August 12, 2004, 03:15:20 PM
you think the wife is gonna come out and say the normal politician's wife speech: "i am standing by my husband and support him in every possible way."

you think they would stay married?
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 12, 2004, 03:25:02 PM
The Catholic Church probably is more formal in ranking these things, but I believe Protestants hold the same view.

Again, I'm a newly converted Catholic with a lot to learn so bear with me.

is that a catholic specific belief?  cuz other denominations do not believe that (ie southern baptists, presbyterians, methodists). 

Yes there are degrees of sin.

If I lie to you, that's not as bad as killing you.

Child rape is worse than concentual homosexual acts.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: HBCU.EDU on August 12, 2004, 05:45:38 PM
I just saw the press conference. That really was out of the blue...  all of a sudden he announces that he's gay, had an affair with another man, and  resigned. I feel bad for him, and his family. I can't even imagine how hard this must be for them.

It's about as hard as the male private part he took up the ass  ;)
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 05:24:15 AM
I could not stand watching the news shows last night and all of the gay activists were saying how this was a show of strength, soul-searching, etc..... The REASON why he admitted all of this yesterday was DAMAGE CONTROL. He appointed his Israeli lover to a government post, the head of Homeland Security for NJ, which pays $110,000 a year. He then tried to circumvent the background check process. You don't appoint someone to be the head of security for the state and then not have a background check. This is unbelieveable. How the hell can this happen?

The only reason McGreevey had the press conference yesterday is because all of this was going to come out, the sexual harassment suit was filed in NJ court yesterday. There have been all sorts of corruption charges against this guy since he took office.

By the way, McGreevey was married twice in his life and has had a daughter with each marriage. The first wife moved to British Columbia to get as far away from the fraud as possible. He gave her full custody of the child and all sorts of money not to say a word and ruin his political career. Then, knowing that he is gay, he marries another woman, parades her out during this press conference.

Next, McGreevey screws the citizens of New Jersey by not allowing them to select their new Governor. He waits until Nov. 15 so that there does not have to be a special election. I don't care what your politics are, this is also wrong. Let the citizens choose their new Governor. The New Jersey Democratic machine is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

Finally, did you see his parents at the conference. His mom had a look on her face that said "I can't believe my son is such a scumbag" and his father had a look that said "I want to beat my son's ass."

In conclusion, McGreevey is a liar and a fraud, not a hero. If I hear one more person praise him I'm going to flip out.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 13, 2004, 06:49:21 AM
Maybe he is playing the gay card to distract attention from his other problems. 
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 06:58:29 AM
It really wasn't a secret that McGreevey was gay. In 2002, he injured his leg while vacationing at the beach with his male lover (no idea what they were doing!). He then proceeded to quickly fly his wife in, using taxpayer dollars, to make it look like it was a family vacation. He also helped his male lover buy a home near the Governor's mansion and his wife lived in a separate house. He also got his political staff to get his male lover a visa, circumventing the whole process. How can this be done pretty soon after September 11?

This whole thing makes me sick. There needs to be much more outrage.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: nathanielmark on August 13, 2004, 07:07:05 AM
its unfortunate because he had great policies.. why is it people like him and clinton who actually try to govern for the people get involved in corruption and this type of *&^%...  its very sad.



It really wasn't a secret that McGreevey was gay. In 2002, he injured his leg while vacationing at the beach with his male lover (no idea what they were doing!). He then proceeded to quickly fly his wife in, using taxpayer dollars, to make it look like it was a family vacation. He also helped his male lover buy a home near the Governor's mansion and his wife lived in a separate house. He also got his political staff to get his male lover a visa, circumventing the whole process. How can this be done pretty soon after September 11?

This whole thing makes me sick. There needs to be much more outrage.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: buster on August 13, 2004, 07:08:17 AM
Just to see you flip out, lawyerboy...

I know his motivations were impure, and I know there's more to the story (more, I think, than you even mentioned), but I still say it took guts for him to say what he said in that press conference.

I could not stand watching the news shows last night and all of the gay activists were saying how this was a show of strength, soul-searching, etc..... The REASON why he admitted all of this yesterday was DAMAGE CONTROL. He appointed his Israeli lover to a government post, the head of Homeland Security for NJ, which pays $110,000 a year. He then tried to circumvent the background check process. You don't appoint someone to be the head of security for the state and then not have a background check. This is unbelieveable. How the hell can this happen?

The only reason McGreevey had the press conference yesterday is because all of this was going to come out, the sexual harassment suit was filed in NJ court yesterday. There have been all sorts of corruption charges against this guy since he took office.

By the way, McGreevey was married twice in his life and has had a daughter with each marriage. The first wife moved to British Columbia to get as far away from the fraud as possible. He gave her full custody of the child and all sorts of money not to say a word and ruin his political career. Then, knowing that he is gay, he marries another woman, parades her out during this press conference.

Next, McGreevey screws the citizens of New Jersey by not allowing them to select their new Governor. He waits until Nov. 15 so that there does not have to be a special election. I don't care what your politics are, this is also wrong. Let the citizens choose their new Governor. The New Jersey Democratic machine is despicable, no matter how you slice it.

Finally, did you see his parents at the conference. His mom had a look on her face that said "I can't believe my son is such a scumbag" and his father had a look that said "I want to beat my son's ass."

In conclusion, McGreevey is a liar and a fraud, not a hero. If I hear one more person praise him I'm going to flip out.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 07:24:48 AM
It was his LAST option to do what he did at the press conference. That's not guts, that's doing something with a gun held to your held. If no press conference yesterday, all of this would have come out today. He is a fraud, a scumbag, and a loser. The citizens of New Jersey are paying the price for voting for this jackass.

By the way, did you know that New Jersey is one of only two states (West Virginia) that has a Democratic Governor, Two Democratic U.S. Senators, A majority Democratic Delegation to the U.S. House of Representatives, and Democratic majorities in both the State House and Senate. In this one-party type of system, corruption breeds since there are no checks and balances.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: nathanielmark on August 13, 2004, 07:27:34 AM
i agree.  his statments will lessen the coming allegations... he made a calculated political decision, and there was no sincerity in his admission of wrong-doing.


It was his LAST option to do what he did at the press conference. That's not guts, that's doing something with a gun held to your held. If no press conference yesterday, all of this would have come out today. He is a fraud, a scumbag, and a loser. The citizens of New Jersey are paying the price for voting for this jackass.

By the way, did you know that New Jersey is one of only two states (West Virginia) that has a Democratic Governor, Two Democratic U.S. Senators, A majority Democratic Delegation to the U.S. House of Representatives, and Democratic majorities in both the State House and Senate. In this one-party type of system, corruption breeds since there are no checks and balances.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: buster on August 13, 2004, 07:34:34 AM
It was his LAST option to do what he did at the press conference. That's not guts, that's doing something with a gun held to your held. If no press conference yesterday, all of this would have come out today.

He still didn't have to get up in front of the cameras and say it. There was no gun, and he could have denied things like so many politicians would have.

By the way, did you know that New Jersey is one of only two states (West Virginia) that has a Democratic Governor, Two Democratic U.S. Senators, A majority Democratic Delegation to the U.S. House of Representatives, and Democratic majorities in both the State House and Senate. In this one-party type of system, corruption breeds since there are no checks and balances.

Agreed. One party bad. Two parties bad. Actual representation of voter interests good.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 07:37:11 AM
If he would have denied it, there were all sorts of media reports and witnesses that would have come crawling out of the woodwork. Plus, the Homeland Security Director appointment is OBVIOUSLY corrupt. I think McGreevey had no other options, which makes him a coward, not a hero. If he was really concerned, he'd resign immediately and allow the electorate to pick his new successor.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: buster on August 13, 2004, 07:41:19 AM
If he would have denied it, there were all sorts of media reports and witnesses that would have come crawling out of the woodwork. Plus, the Homeland Security Director appointment is OBVIOUSLY corrupt. I think McGreevey had no other options, which makes him a coward, not a hero. If he was really concerned, he'd resign immediately and allow the electorate to pick his new successor.

Are you seriously arguing that politicians don't deny things that are widely known and reported to be true?

I wasn't commenting on his delayed resignation, by the way. If you thought I was I apologize. I was just expressing appreciation for his candor in coming out.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 13, 2004, 07:42:37 AM
Hmmm.  Democrats who have good ideas but can't keep their peckers in their pants.

Republicans who have bad ideas and are just peckers.

its unfortunate because he had great policies.. why is it people like him and clinton who actually try to govern for the people get involved in corruption and this type of *&^%...  its very sad.

It really wasn't a secret that McGreevey was gay. In 2002, he injured his leg while vacationing at the beach with his male lover (no idea what they were doing!). He then proceeded to quickly fly his wife in, using taxpayer dollars, to make it look like it was a family vacation. He also helped his male lover buy a home near the Governor's mansion and his wife lived in a separate house. He also got his political staff to get his male lover a visa, circumventing the whole process. How can this be done pretty soon after September 11?

This whole thing makes me sick. There needs to be much more outrage.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 08:03:49 AM
McGreevey is from the Gray Davis school of governing, which operates like this:

You can be corrupt, and everyone knows it, but as long as you are a powerful Democrat, no one can touch you....
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: buster on August 13, 2004, 08:11:32 AM
You sure this applies only to Democrats?

McGreevey is from the Gray Davis school of governing, which operates like this:

You can be corrupt, and everyone knows it, but as long as you are a powerful Democrat, no one can touch you....
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 08:12:45 AM
Applies to politicians in states where they have NO chance of losing re-election. I just thought Gray Davis' re-election campaign was a good example.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: dgatl on August 13, 2004, 08:13:30 AM
i can't wait for the TV movie about this story
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: buster on August 13, 2004, 08:14:19 AM
Applies to politicians in states where they have NO chance of losing re-election. I just thought Gray Davis' re-election campaign was a good example.

Okay, I see what you're saying, but it seems to me that both Davis and McGreevey have been touched up pretty good. (As was the Republican governor of Connecticut, BTW.)
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 08:20:42 AM
Oh I agree. The Governor of Connecticut was a scumbag as well....
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 13, 2004, 08:32:13 AM
Do you mean recalled Gray Davis?  I think they touched him.

But you're point about his behavior is taken.

McGreevey is from the Gray Davis school of governing, which operates like this:

You can be corrupt, and everyone knows it, but as long as you are a powerful Democrat, no one can touch you....
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 13, 2004, 11:56:41 AM
Sexual harassment suit expected against NJ governor
Jeannie Shawl on 8/13/2004 02:22:25 PM

New Jersey's former homeland security adviser, Golan Cipel, is expected to file suit against New Jersey Gov. James McGreevey alleging sexual misconduct. Cipel was appointed to the post by McGreevey in 2002 after the two met while McGreevey was traveling in Israel. Prior to announcing his resignation from the governorship (as reported on JURIST's Paper Chase), McGreevey's attorney reportedly told the FBI that Cipel and his attorney were extorting money from the governor. Federal sources are now probing allegations made by McGreevey's lawyer, the possibility that McGreevey abused the power of office, and whether Cipel used his relationship with McGreevey to get jobs. ABC News has more. Although McGreevey said his resignation will be effective November 15, New Jersey Republicans are calling on the governor to step down immediately, saying that "awkward stories" about the governor threaten to undermine his "ability to govern" and will impact everyone in New Jersey. AP has more. Trenton's Times has local coverage of how McGreevey's replacement will be chosen, according to the New Jersey Constitution.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: The ZAPINATOR on August 13, 2004, 12:00:53 PM
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Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 13, 2004, 12:02:26 PM
Let's apply some Bush defenses to this situation.


The NJ gov. is within the law.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 12:07:27 PM
Actually, it would hurt the Republicans to have an election. This is because Sen. Jon Corzine would easily run and win, which would set him up to win in 2005. Corzine has been salivating for the Governor's chair in NJ since spending millions of his own fortune to win a close Senate battle in 2000. The Republicans have no well-known candidates, so they would be pummelled. Plus, New Jersey is one of the liberal bastions of this country. The people of New Jersey deserve an election, not the Republican party.

Plus, the Senate President who is about to take charge will still remain leader of the Senate. Meaning that he controls half of the legislative branch AND the executive branch. That sounds like a recipe for more corruption if you ask me. 
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 13, 2004, 12:15:36 PM
someone on NPR said that the Kerry camp doesn't want the distraction or something like that.
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: lawyerboy on August 13, 2004, 12:24:12 PM
From the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/13/nyregion/13suit.html

"In early 2002, when he was facing criticism for appointing an unknown Israeli citizen named Golan Cipel as his special assistant on homeland security without so much as a routine background check, Gov. James E. McGreevey was asked by a reporter about rumors that he and the man were involved in a sexual relationship.
 
Mr. McGreevey responded, "Don't be ridiculous!"
Title: Re: NJ Governor Resigns AND Comes Out
Post by: jgruber on August 13, 2004, 12:29:32 PM
The non-denial denial

From the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/13/nyregion/13suit.html

"In early 2002, when he was facing criticism for appointing an unknown Israeli citizen named Golan Cipel as his special assistant on homeland security without so much as a routine background check, Gov. James E. McGreevey was asked by a reporter about rumors that he and the man were involved in a sexual relationship.
 
Mr. McGreevey responded, "Don't be ridiculous!"