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Deciding Where to Go => Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists => Topic started by: Stephon Devante on May 17, 2006, 04:03:18 PM

Title: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 17, 2006, 04:03:18 PM
I just received an email from Dean Hoye updating me on my status...he said the fall class remains full, but there are seats in the summer class that are open if I would be open to a dual degree...

Is this a generic email sent to everyone or does it look like they are really considering offering a spot?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: almso on May 17, 2006, 04:47:29 PM
I got the same email. I'm not interested, but because of the short timeframe for a June 1 start, I bet they didn't send it out to everyone who was waitlisted, but some subset they were already interested in. I could be wrong though, just a guess.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 17, 2006, 06:27:19 PM
I got the email...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: buju on May 17, 2006, 06:34:46 PM
I got it too.  My undergrad degree is in chemical engineering and Im interested in IP law, so would I even be able to do a joint degree?  Duke doesnt have a ChemE program, so would it be possible to do a joint degree with Mechanical Engineering without an undergrad degree in MechE?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 17, 2006, 07:38:40 PM
Well looks like some people have gotten this letter... I didn't realize the start date was so soon, no wonder they are scrounging for people...

Question though... to do a summer start/joint degree program... wouldn't you have to have already applied and been accepted to the OTHER degree program as well?

Or do you summer start the JD then apply to the other program for the following year?

Further... supposing you summer start as a dual degree then don't apply for the other program...could they kick you out of law school? lol

Many questions... Dare I hope that Duke genuinely might love me? lol
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: rainyday on May 17, 2006, 07:46:45 PM
Also got this letter.

Duke has some dual degree programs that are really, um, *unique*; I think if you apply to do an MA in their plain-jane graduate school of arts & science, your regular application materials for the law school suffice.  These are for like history, econ, etc.  But if you want to do a joint MD, MBA, MPP, etc., additional apps are required to those specific schools.  Your question's a good one...they aren't going to let you into med school w/o your MCATs.



Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: buju on May 17, 2006, 07:50:31 PM
Further... supposing you summer start as a dual degree then don't apply for the other program...could they kick you out of law school? lol

I was wondering the same thing, but the website says that if you're in the joint degree program, you won't receive your JD until you complete the required courses in the other subject.  Not sure if they let you transfer out of the joint degree program, but it looks like they may not.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: goinCRAZY on May 17, 2006, 07:54:07 PM
also received the email. it says that you have the option to choose between JD/LLM or JD/MA. I don't think JD/MBA is an option however. To do that, I think you need to apply separately to their business school. Did anyone respond yet?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: tttt on May 17, 2006, 10:45:16 PM
It's not a generic email. I'm on the waiting list trying to get into the JD/LLM program and I didn't get it.  :'(


I just received an email from Dean Hoye updating me on my status...he said the fall class remains full, but there are seats in the summer class that are open if I would be open to a dual degree...

Is this a generic email sent to everyone or does it look like they are really considering offering a spot?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: buju on May 18, 2006, 03:55:19 AM
It's not a generic email. I'm on the waiting list trying to get into the JD/LLM program and I didn't get it.  :'(

The email wouldnt have applied to you because it was saying, "Even though you didnt apply for a joint degree program, would you be willing to do one and start in the summer?".  Did anyone on the waiting list who did not apply for the JDLLM or the JDMA not get the email?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 18, 2006, 05:01:17 AM
got it too...

some info for those above-- at duke, they don't make you do a seperate ap for the jd/ma programs-- they just accept you to the law school and then ask the other department to do the same, with the same application.  obviously the jd/llm is easiest for them, as they can just say yes twice from the same office. 

the email i got said that i would be considered for both the jd/llm and the jd/ma if i was interested.  i told them i would gladly take jd/ma policy or political science if those were possible... i should be an ok candidate for either i would think.  but who knows what they are doing in the other departments... i guess we'll see :)
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 18, 2006, 06:57:25 AM
It'll be interesting to see what comes of this.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 18, 2006, 08:46:00 AM
did anyone else tell dean hoye that they wanted to be considered, or am i the only one? (on lsd, that is ;))
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 18, 2006, 09:04:18 AM
I also said I want to be considered... *gulp*.

Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: goinCRAZY on May 18, 2006, 10:41:12 AM
I just did. For the JD/LLM. Speding a summer in Hong Kong sounds great. Well Gluck to everyone who replied.
 ;D
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 18, 2006, 12:21:43 PM
ugh.  i just called and was told the dean hoye is currently reviewing the files and therefore unavailable.  i asked when i could expect an answer by and was told "within the next few days"... what happened to "today" like i was told earlier?  ah well... this is turning into such a mess
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 18, 2006, 12:30:49 PM
Ok I just faxed a letter confirming my interest in a few of the programs and did a follow up call... the lady seemed surprised that I put three dif. programs but I told her Dean Hoye said Economics was very hard to get into soooo... but also asked about decisions and she said he's going through them now. So who knows? Hopefully today... I think they change what they tell people depending on how quickly things are moving. lol
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: d1111 on May 18, 2006, 02:31:28 PM
could you elaborate on what dean hoye said about the economics JD/MA being hard to get into?
thanks
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 18, 2006, 03:04:29 PM
could you elaborate on what dean hoye said about the economics JD/MA being hard to get into?
thanks

Straight from the email...

" The Economics Department has very stringent requirements for admission to the M.A."

Nice
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joeyd005 on May 18, 2006, 03:40:07 PM
Did anyone hear today?  I know I didn't, but I feel like this is something they have to make a decision on by tomorrow.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 18, 2006, 03:46:00 PM
Did anyone hear today?  I know I didn't, but I feel like this is something they have to make a decision on by tomorrow.

i agree with you, they're going to lose people (possibly me because it may become a logistical impossibility to pull out of my study abroad year and still get a college degree if i wait for much longer to change my plans) if they wait much longer to make offers
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 18, 2006, 04:03:07 PM
Yeah it is getting kind of down to the wire, unless you like already live in Durham or something... and have $12,300 cash in your checking account for summer tuition.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 18, 2006, 06:54:38 PM
I told Dean Hoye that I don't have the cash to pay summer tuition so I would have to have financial aid in place... he said that information would be given to me in time to make a decision.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 18, 2006, 07:10:35 PM
Well, that is good.

I know I am not getting in, I don't know why I even got the email, I guess so they would have someone to reject so they could feel like they were making a "selection." I think they already know who they want to let in.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 18, 2006, 07:27:13 PM
Bonkers is probably right. I wonder why Duke has a summer WL already in place if it's not going to pull people from that one? Those people are more likely to go because they've already expressed an interest in a dual degree and summer start.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: d1111 on May 18, 2006, 08:07:41 PM
there were definitely different emails sent out, probably depending on how much they want each of us. my email said nothing about "The Economics Department has very stringent requirements for admission to the M.A." or anything about scholarships.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 18, 2006, 08:52:50 PM
That wasn't in his initial email, that was from his further correspondence with the law school.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 01:29:40 AM
Well, that is good.

I know I am not getting in, I don't know why I even got the email, I guess so they would have someone to reject so they could feel like they were making a "selection." I think they already know who they want to let in.

well...you do have a 168.  170 if they don't take the average (which is what duke claims they will sometimes do)... and  they seem to be very lsat conscious.  i have a feeling that 2 points on the lsat for them may easily make up for a lower gpa. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 06:22:27 AM
hoye emailed me saying that the policy program is full.  awesome... could he have told us which ones were open in that original email!?  it would have saved me the effort of getting my hopes up and the time i spent crafting my statement of interest last night  :-\

anyone else hear anything back?  i really wish i could get myself to the point of accepting any program that was open, but after studying something i don't really like for the past year, i just can't put myself through it again.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 06:25:30 AM
I have a feeling, with such a rushed timeframe, they would favor JD/LLM applicants. Then, as someone said, they can just approve the person without having to get another department to weigh in.

I applied for JD/MA since I don't want an LLM in international law. Haven't heard back yet...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 19, 2006, 06:33:13 AM
I just hope they let us know something today...positive or negative. Every day they wait makes it more and more infeasible for a lot of people.

I also wonder if they weren't looking for LLM's all along. The website made it sound like dual degrees were easy to get, that the law school and grad dept. just rubber stamp the app to the grad dept. once you are in the law school...but the reply about the Economics program makes it sound like certain programs are impossible to get into, and with the Policy program being full...maybe the grad programs are full at this point and the llm people will get the nod. J/C
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 06:38:58 AM
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest. But then again, they could have said, "We have some openings in our JD/LLM program."

I dunno, it may be that some MA combos are just not going to happen, and other ones that are easier for them to get approved quickly are possible.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 08:43:31 AM
would be nice if they'd give us some information.  one would think that given that they need to fill the class they'd want to provide us with as much info as they could.  for instance... someone who might not really care for theology as a joint concentration, but who does have the background to take it on might not even indicate interest unless it were noted that that was one of the MA's that would be easy to get into. 

then again, i've been frustrated with duke for most of this admissions cycle, so really this is nothing new  :D
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 19, 2006, 08:47:30 AM
Well it's almost noon DOOK time and I still haven't heard anything... lol

Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 08:52:53 AM
email back:

Hi Allison,

I just spoke with Dean Hoye and it looks like we're having a lot of
availability issues with the other gradute programs, so the joint degree
in Political Science seems unlikely at this point.  Because of this, we
will likely be taking mostly JD/LLM candidates, since we handle the LLM
admissions process internally.

Given what you have told me, it would probably be best to remain in
your current program, and if you are still interested we would be happy
to keep you on our waitlist for the fall.

Let me know if I can be of any more assistance.

Regards,

Jamie Reynolds Kronman




Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 08:57:04 AM
Ouch... that sucks. Well I guess that tells the rest of us what we need to know.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 09:01:02 AM
yeah... so if anyone thinks they can stomach 3 1/2 years of international and comparative law... you should let duke know :). 

this takes me out of the running.  i told them i was still on board for the fall waitlist, which is basically not going to do much good.

good luck to everyone going after the jd/llm!
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 09:02:36 AM
I don't know if I feel comfortable changing my mind and saying I want the LLM at this point. It would seem so flaky.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joeyd005 on May 19, 2006, 09:04:30 AM
I'm screwed then as well as I was also going for the MA in political science.  Oh well. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 19, 2006, 09:12:21 AM
Very nice... why didn't they just say up front that the LLM would be about the only realistic program? Nice.

Apparently the other graduate programs planned their acceptances more appropriately than the law school.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 09:14:47 AM
Well... I just re-read Allison's email and it does say, "we will likely be taking mostly JD/LLM candidates."

SHRED OF HOPE !!
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 19, 2006, 09:16:37 AM
I put multiple programs that I was interested in, so we'll see if I effectively hedged my bets... or made myself look like an indecisive tool. haha
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 09:28:14 AM
yeah, you all may still have a chance.

that email was in response to a call i made-- because of my study abroad mess i really needed to know if i should go forth with the process of pulling out early... and told her that i NEEDED an answer about the availability of the MA. 

i responded that i would still take a spot if they could find one for me (by some miracle), but that this was good to know.  i've since told everyone to stop trying to get me out of Ireland early... though it was almost worked out anyway. 

good luck to everyone else! :)
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: goinCRAZY on May 19, 2006, 10:25:21 AM
Has anyone gotten any indication of yay or nay yet? I can't focus at work and its driving me NUTS. Good luck to all of us..
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: tttt on May 19, 2006, 10:29:31 AM
Has anyone gotten any indication of yay or nay yet? I can't focus at work and its driving me NUTS. Good luck to all of us..

Tell me about it. It's 2:30am over here (Asia) and I've been obsessively refreshing LSD's "unread replies" for over 3 hours now.  :(
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 10:31:12 AM
Has anyone gotten any indication of yay or nay yet? I can't focus at work and its driving me NUTS. Good luck to all of us..

I haven't seen anybody get in yet on here. I just really hope they let people know today. If they put this off till Monday it's not going to work.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 19, 2006, 10:31:21 AM
I hope it works out for you, tori. Are you living in Japan now? What part? Would it be hard for you to move in the next two weeks if you have to?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: goinCRAZY on May 19, 2006, 10:40:41 AM
Has anyone gotten any indication of yay or nay yet? I can't focus at work and its driving me NUTS. Good luck to all of us..

I haven't seen anybody get in yet on here. I just really hope they let people know today. If they put this off till Monday it's not going to work.

EXACTLY! I was hoping to visit the school if I get accepted. If Duke wants the candidates to seriously consider their offer, they should get back to us by today. Otherwise, they are just going to get a bunch of people who might find out that this really isn't for them and pull out of school three months later. Duke really is a top choice for me but Id' like to know what I am committing to before I jump.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 10:42:52 AM
Well, I don't think this kind of admission is for the risk-averse. You just have to close your eyes and leap.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: tttt on May 19, 2006, 10:44:22 AM
I hope it works out for you, tori. Are you living in Japan now? What part? Would it be hard for you to move in the next two weeks if you have to?

Thanks. I hope so, too. I was in Japan (Kyoto) for a long time. I'm actually in Korea (Seoul) now.  ;) If they contacted me soon I would happily create a way to get back in time. (Even though it would be hellishly expensive and a massive headache, not to mention ruining a lot of plans, breaking a housing contract, and pissing off my mom who just bought a $1K+ ticket to come visit me in June... and I've already put down a deposit for another school...) I really really genuinely want to do the JD/LLM, focusing on East Asian law. I will be incredibly disappointed if they give all the spots to people who never gave it a second thought before, only because they had a few more GPA/LSAT points.

Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: goinCRAZY on May 19, 2006, 10:45:03 AM
Well, I don't think this kind of admission is for the risk-averse. You just have to close your eyes and leap.

still i'd like to take a parachute ^^ ...and notice how I'm not getting any work done...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 19, 2006, 10:47:40 AM
Good luck. Are you an original JD/LLM applicant like me who hasn't heard anything? I was in Japan for two years and was hoping to focus on East Asian law as well, but now I'm off to another school that has nothing related to East Asian studies. I also find it a bit annoying since a lot of people who have applied for the program in the first place have actually lived/worked abroad, while some of the people they are asking haven't shown any interest in the area. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 10:47:54 AM
I know I am not doing any work at all either. Every time I think about this whole thing my mind and my stomach go crazy.

In a way I'm kind of dreading getting accepted, it will be so much drama.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: tttt on May 19, 2006, 10:56:59 AM
Good luck. Are you an original JD/LLM applicant like me who hasn't heard anything? I was in Japan for two years and was hoping to focus on East Asian law as well, but now I'm off to another school that has nothing related to East Asian studies. I also find it a bit annoying since a lot of people who have applied for the program in the first place have actually lived/worked abroad, while some of the people they are asking haven't shown any interest in the area. 

Good luck to you, too. Yes, I am an original JD/LLM applicant, and yes, I haven't heard a peep from them (except to say they received my LoCI). To be honest, I didn't think I had much of a shot to begin with, so it won't be a total shock if I don't get in.  :'( Still, I would really like to think they are considering applications beyond the numbers. I'm probably dreaming. Maybe I fell asleep without realizing it.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 19, 2006, 11:04:23 AM
Thanks. I have a lot of obligations the next few weeks that I can't cancel now, so I'm out of the running. Nonetheless, it's a bit frustrating to think that a school would stick you on a WL without any real intent of going back to look at your application. I think my numbers are the lowest on the WL on LSN, so I really had no hope!
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 01:41:08 PM
Well it's 4:40pm Duke time... has anyone heard anything? Anyone gotten in? Anyone heard about anyone getting in?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: wclegal on May 19, 2006, 01:46:30 PM
40 min. ago, this person on LSN changed their status to being accepted off the waitlist.

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=naralara


Another person also got accepted off the waitlist on LSN over an hour ago, but apparently withdrew. 

The number had been 198 admitted...now it's at 200. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: kapstone on May 19, 2006, 02:01:15 PM
FYI - The call I got from the Dean wasnt until after 5, so there is still time!  Anyone with a Cohen 'tar deserves to go to any school he/she so choses. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 02:02:19 PM
Hm yeah naralara might go... that is her highest ranked acceptance by far.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 19, 2006, 02:13:01 PM
I don't know. She got into Cornell with money and turned it down. I wouldn't say that Duke is better than Cornell "by far."
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 02:20:10 PM
You're right, it's not. My eye must have missed Cornell. I wonder why she turned it down. I wish the b*tch would just go to Cornell already and let us have the space at duke...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 02:25:03 PM
looks like she might have wanted to stay in texas?  or been afraid of the cold (valid concern!) :)
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 19, 2006, 02:31:35 PM
Hey I was wondering where everyone was sitting score wwise that is waiting on this reply from Duke. I saw that both of the applicants that had been accepted had a 166 and over a 3.75. I have a 165 and a 3.9. I was wondering where this might put me in this scrum of a last ditch efforts to get a full class over the summer.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 19, 2006, 02:33:32 PM
Apparently the madness has started... still nothing here...166/3.97
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 19, 2006, 02:35:54 PM
looks like she might have wanted to stay in texas?  or been afraid of the cold (valid concern!) :)

Yeah that is what I'm worried about... it would make Duke a good choice for her.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 19, 2006, 02:36:42 PM
Um, she's at IU-Bloomington, so the cold doesn't make sense. Austin is a fantastic city though, so I can see her wanting to go there. It does, however, rule out any chance I had of getting in since I went to IU-B. Oh well, I can't go this late in the game anyway. I'm probably the lowest on the WL anyway- 165/3.5
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 19, 2006, 02:40:05 PM
It is nice to know alot of other people are in the same boat. I ahve been planning on attending USC, btu this has just caused a monkey wrench in the old plans. I wish they could have given us some figures and an accurate timeline for all of this since we have to basically make our decision today. For example, I would like to plan for a few days of druknken debauchery before my law school ordeal, but now I might have to wait until orientation to start my festivities. I know, this is a highly proplexing problem, but somebody has to do it. ;)
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 02:41:41 PM
hah, jack-- i hope you find the time for that!  if you do end up at usc let me know and i'll partake pre-orientation there with you :)

i just called the office, it seems to be vacant- or at least no one is answering the phone. 

also, 166/3.8
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 19, 2006, 02:47:09 PM
Cool sounds like a plan. WHere r u coming from and planning on staying if this doesnt work out?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 19, 2006, 03:29:59 PM
jack, i pm-ed you, in an effort not to make this un-duke related.  then again, perhaps we should spite duke by taking over the thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 19, 2006, 03:40:03 PM
haha i just noticed that icould get messages on here. Im not what you call computer literate. Yeah i think that souds liek a proposition ill take u up on. How is the Dublin experience treating u?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joeyd005 on May 20, 2006, 11:19:45 AM
naralara, from LSN, accepted the offer an admission and as the big "A" next to Duke on LSN
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: haterade on May 20, 2006, 12:38:42 PM
naralara, from LSN, accepted the offer an admission and as the big "A" next to Duke on LSN

has anybody heard anything directly from duke?  or is spectulation about naralara the best we got?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: d1111 on May 20, 2006, 04:26:58 PM
i think this person heard good news:
"Any thoughts on WUSTL vs. Duke? I just graduated from Duke undergrad. Duke Law's acceptence offer would require that I go back down to Duke on June 1st in order to start working on my Masters (in public policy) and then start Duke Law in the fall. I don't mind the dual degree mandate from Duke- so the  extra courseload would not be an issue. However, I am from NYC and I would like to work here after law school, but in public interest. I know WUSTL has a very strong public interest program, but would Duke make up for that in prestige? Durham, is Durham, I've been there for four years already, but is St. Louis really going to be a huge improvement? I need help making a decision asap!"


my guess is that they accepted a few people into the program friday and are waiting to get definite decisions from these people.  the rest of us can only hope they won't accept.  though it wouldnt be the first time im completely wrong about the mysterious ways of ls admissions.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 21, 2006, 10:26:53 AM
grr.  i love that the dean told ME (on the day after the email went out) that the public policy program was FULL.  how nice of them. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 21, 2006, 06:20:31 PM
grr.  i love that the dean told ME (on the day after the email went out) that the public policy program was FULL.  how nice of them. 

Reynolda... it is full... the person of whom d1111 speaks of took the last spot.

Lol.

:) USC is quite lovely I hear
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 22, 2006, 04:37:30 AM
grr.  i love that the dean told ME (on the day after the email went out) that the public policy program was FULL.  how nice of them. 

Reynolda... it is full... the person of whom d1111 speaks of took the last spot.

Lol.

:) USC is quite lovely I hear


oh i have no doubt it's now full lol :).  and yeah... i hear the same.  who'd want to live in durham anyway, right?   8)
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: oakroom on May 22, 2006, 06:31:34 AM
grr.  i love that the dean told ME (on the day after the email went out) that the public policy program was FULL.  how nice of them. 

I don't think there's any definite indication that the person on that other thread was actually *admitted* to the pub pol program, is there?  Could just as easily be someone wondering if it is [was?] worth showing any interest.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 22, 2006, 09:12:02 AM
grr.  i love that the dean told ME (on the day after the email went out) that the public policy program was FULL.  how nice of them. 

I don't think there's any definite indication that the person on that other thread was actually *admitted* to the pub pol program, is there?  Could just as easily be someone wondering if it is [was?] worth showing any interest.

Yeah, that's probably most likely.  Everyone on the thread treated the situation as if the person HAD been given and offer and he/she made no move to correct them... however, I'm guessing he/she probably thought what most people did when opening the original email-- that there was a definite shot for admission to any of the programs that started in summer.

Ah well, anyone else heard anything back?  I'm assuming the dean/office won't notify us of 'rejection' until after the 1st when they definitely have the class full... though hearing one way or the other before that would certainly be nice. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 22, 2006, 10:56:29 AM
I talked to the dean earlier in the day and he said he would get back to me by 5 oclock my time. I am not entirely sold on doing this over USC either. I like the llm program. but USC also has a bad ass one with the London School of Economics. It alos seems liek the job prspects would be just as good for me at both. I like california and texas (where I am from) and it seems taht either degree will let me go to either place (it is uspposed to help being a texas native here). Oh well we will see, I had to talk to him about my DWI earlier in the day, what a thrilling conversation!
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 22, 2006, 11:00:41 AM
Has anyone else heard anything today?

FWIW, I've decided not to go, on the remote chance I get accepted. The window of opportunity has passed.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: slojo on May 22, 2006, 11:37:18 AM
jackdeut-- i assume you had compelling reasons to get the dean to agree to a 5pm reponse deadline.  did he make any reference (however oblique) to when they expect to finalize the summer class?  i guess, as reynolda has pointed out, they won't be full for sure till June 1, but it seems ridiculous to keep us all on the hook till then.

somebody on this thread's gonna get lucky, i'm sure!
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 22, 2006, 11:38:26 AM
I hope they let everyone know by today at 5pm... also, on the other Duke Waitlist thread, ^_^ said that they received an email about summer slots open... I wonder if this is a second batch of emails going out?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: slojo on May 22, 2006, 12:03:25 PM
I noticed that and directed her to this thread.  I'm still of the mindset that only one batch of emails went out (to the entire waitlist) last Wed. and that ^-^ was late to post here on this topic.  But of course this is just more speculation.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 22, 2006, 12:21:46 PM
I really don't know why he would give me a deadline other tna he wantedto think my DWI sitation over with the commitee. I have said I am interested in the LLM, which seems to be the program they are recrutiing for this round. I really wish these guys wouldnt have thrown a monkey wrench into my plans. I was stoked to go to Cali and dednt need the outside distractions.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 22, 2006, 12:24:54 PM
Oh yeah. ALso when I was emailed later by the dean he indicated I was on the short list and that might be a reson why I am being contacted later today. The
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: doublec on May 22, 2006, 01:51:10 PM
I have been checking this all weekend, to see if people have gotten off the waitlist.  I talked to the Dean about 10 minutes ago and he said that the summer class is pretty much full.  He made it sound like there are a few people he needs to get an answer from but other than that the class is full.  He also said that someone could drop out and a space could open up.  So some of you might get a call today but for the rest it is fall or somewhere else.  Good luck to everyone. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: tttt on May 23, 2006, 02:49:27 AM
Oh yeah. ALso when I was emailed later by the dean he indicated I was on the short list and that might be a reson why I am being contacted later today. The

So? What happened?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 23, 2006, 07:55:44 AM
Just received the royal f-off letter from Dean Hoye... summer program is full.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: buju on May 23, 2006, 08:07:46 AM
Was that in response to a letter that you sent, or did it appear to be a general letter to everyone who asked to be considered for the summer program?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 23, 2006, 08:09:29 AM
General letter sent out to everyone, appears to be...

Dear Mr. Devante:

Thank you for your interest in the "summer start" program at Duke Law
School.  A large number of applicants expressed interest in the few
spaces that had become available in the summer term.  We have completed
the admission process for the summer term, and that program is now full.
 However, we will keep your application under consideration for any
seats that become available in the fall class.

Thank you again for your interest in Duke Law School.  I appreciate
your patience during this lengthy application review process.

Sincerely,

Bill Hoye


William J. Hoye
Associate Dean for Admissions and Financial Aid
Duke University School of Law
Science Drive & Towerview Road
Box 90393
Durham, North Carolina  27708
(919) 613-7020  voice
(919) 613-7257  fax
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 23, 2006, 08:27:11 AM
Was this a snail mail letter or an email?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 23, 2006, 08:42:50 AM
Email...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 23, 2006, 08:44:16 AM
I don't know what is going on with mine, seems like I should have gotten a rejection by now. Maybe I am in !

Okay I just got an exact duplicate of what Stephon got.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: slojo on May 23, 2006, 08:56:26 AM
My hope, too, BonkersJr.  If they're doing this by email, why the f-ck aren't they shooting them out at the same time?

This whole thing is pissing me off.  Unfortunatley, after getting the email last Wed., try as I might it was impossible not to get my hopes up.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 23, 2006, 09:02:47 AM
Sorry to hear that Bonkers...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 23, 2006, 09:04:50 AM
Oh, it's all right. They did a study on survivors of the Nazi concentration camps and found that the ones who survived were the ones who could live without hope.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: doublec on May 23, 2006, 09:14:31 AM
Bonkers where are you thinking of going, if the wait lists don't change?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 23, 2006, 09:53:00 AM
hmm... i did not get this email.   ???
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: jackdeut on May 23, 2006, 10:03:27 AM
It is cool I did not recieve the letter either. I don't know what the lack of a letter is indicative of, possibly waiting and sseing if more people will drop out? How about those Trojans?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 23, 2006, 10:19:35 AM
hmm... i did not get this email.   ???

I thought you already got one saying public policy was full...

Bonkers where are you thinking of going, if the wait lists don't change?

Tulane... I just sent my second deposit. Go Green Wave or whatever their mascot is!


i did-- but then i wrote letters of interest for political science and the llm program.  no response back for either.  the response about policy came early friday morning before they (apparently) started making offers, and he asked if i'd be willing to consider doing any of the others. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: buju on May 23, 2006, 10:23:42 AM
hmm... i did not get this email.   ???

I didn't get it either.  Even though I know there's no chance, I can't help but hang on to a shred of hope until I actually get the email.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 23, 2006, 10:27:47 AM
hmm... i did not get this email.   ???

I didn't get it either.  Even though I know there's no chance, I can't help but hang on to a shred of hope until I actually get the email.

Well I didn't get my email until about 30 minutes after Stephon posted, so they are seemingly doing them individually. Maybe you do have a shred of hope, but you'd think Hoye would have called the people he is admitting by now...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: doublec on May 23, 2006, 10:29:34 AM
I'm with you Buju.  I am sure that they send it to the people they don't want to make mad first and the rest of us later.  But there is hope that they still love us. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 23, 2006, 10:32:27 AM
seriously this whole mess feels like a junior high dance.  where all of the pretty girls already have dates, and i'm the chubby one, still hanging onto some thread of hope that one of the pairings will break up and the boy will ask me at the last minute.

hah, yeah, traumatic childhood :)  

and bonkers, i really don't care about this mess at this point-- in truth, i probably can't pull out of my study abroad thing anymore, and would have trouble getting a flight... so it's rather a moot point.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 23, 2006, 10:34:55 AM
I am sure that they send it to the people they don't want to make mad first and the rest of us later. 

Why would they care about making me mad? They've been bending me over since day one...
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 23, 2006, 10:40:04 AM
and bonkers, i really don't care about this mess at this point-- in truth, i probably can't pull out of my study abroad thing anymore, and would have trouble getting a flight... so it's rather a moot point.

Yeah it is a mess. A big part of me is relieved. I just kind of wish it had never come up at all. What they should have done is draw people off the joint-degree waitlist and not gotten the rest of us all worked up.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: doublec on May 23, 2006, 10:45:36 AM
Yeah it is a mess. A big part of me is relieved. I just kind of wish it had never come up at all. What they should have done is draw people off the joint-degree waitlist and not gotten the rest of us all worked up.
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I know I am on the joint degree list and it has been fun to see them say "we would rather have someone who has shown no interest in the joint degree than you".   Very fun indeed.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joespecial on May 23, 2006, 10:50:13 AM
Yeah, it is kind of retarded.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 23, 2006, 10:53:05 AM
Yeah it is a mess. A big part of me is relieved. I just kind of wish it had never come up at all. What they should have done is draw people off the joint-degree waitlist and not gotten the rest of us all worked up.

I know I am on the joint degree list and it has been fun to see them say "we would rather have someone who has shown no interest in the joint degree than you".   Very fun indeed.

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It's great isn't it? The people on the list have shown an interest and many have actually worked abroad, yet they are trying to draw in people with no international experience for the LLM? It doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: slojo on May 23, 2006, 10:55:20 AM
I would attribute it to their desire for high admissions #'s, but isn't it the case that only fall starters' data get reported to LSAC/ABA/USNWR?  If so, the summer admit process should be more holistic, no?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 23, 2006, 11:06:46 AM
that's interesting about the summer numbers-- i wasn't aware that it worked that way.

and i think that everyone on the summer waitlist has reason to be REALLY annoyed-- i have no idea why they pulled this stunt.... if they truly care about getting a class full of people who are going to do well in their programs, then why 'force' applicants with (possibly) little interest in these joint programs to do them just to have a chance to attend duke?  it seems rather ridiculous to me.  why even HAVE a summer waitlist if they're going to do everything they can not to admit the people on it for the program they want to do.  duke gets my vote for being one of the most asinine admissions offices i've dealt with this cycle.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 23, 2006, 11:17:07 AM
that's interesting about the summer numbers-- i wasn't aware that it worked that way.

and i think that everyone on the summer waitlist has reason to be REALLY annoyed-- i have no idea why they pulled this stunt.... if they truly care about getting a class full of people who are going to do well in their programs, then why 'force' applicants with (possibly) little interest in these joint programs to do them just to have a chance to attend duke?  it seems rather ridiculous to me.  why even HAVE a summer waitlist if they're going to do everything they can not to admit the people on it for the program they want to do.  duke gets my vote for being one of the most asinine admissions offices i've dealt with this cycle.

I am extremely pissed off at Duke right now. If summer admits aren't included in the USNWR numbers, then why not admit people with slightly lower numbers who have shown an interest in the program? I for one have received no further communication since I got my waitlist, other than the standard "Do not call us" email they sent after I sent in my email expressing continued interest in the program.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: assembletheways on May 23, 2006, 11:35:17 AM
I know it is tough when people don't get into a program that they wanted to attend.

However, I think people should be responsible for their emotions.

From all of my interactions, Dean Hoye is a very nice person, and I think they offered an opprotunity for people to adjust their application strategy after being through a long process.  This was to the benefit of both the law school, who could consider other applications, and individuals who decided to try to apply.  Duke is not forcing individuals to do anything. Period. You can still be considered for fall admission. It was an option.

The waitlist game is a long-shot effort for everyone.  If you don't want to play the game, then withdraw.

Finally, I am pretty sure that summer admits are included in the stats.  Either way, I don't think that Duke admits very many people who have LSAT's around the 25th percentile and GPAs signficantly below the 75th percentile.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: slojo on May 23, 2006, 11:46:59 AM
I may be wrong about the reporting of admission statistics.  I'm still pretty sure that USNWR, at least, only publishes data on full-time, fall-term entering students. 


Anyway, it didn't help me out.  Just got my 'class is full' email (in the same form as that previously posted here).  Good luck to the rest.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 23, 2006, 11:51:07 AM
i think we're all aware that waitlists are not compulsory- we play at our own risk.  

however, from what i've found, everyone who was admitted outright seems to love duke's admissions office... and most of the people waitlisted have a lot of complaints.  

of course, we could attribute this to the fact that we're all bitter because we didn't get in in the first place, but this isn't always the case with waitlisted applicants.  i for one have been continually impressed with the professionalism and care shown by michigan's admissions office throughout the whole process.  they make sure that applicants on the waitlist are kept up to date on what's happening and happy to provide more information whenever its asked for.  

duke, on the other hand, has not been as easy to work with.  sure, they've offered another opportunity for some us to gain admission, which is great, even though those it was offered to were forced to agree to do a joint program in order to take it.  however grateful we are and should be for this chance, i think the frustration you're seeing here and elsewhere has come from the fact that duke hasn't been great about communicating what's going on.  at first, all summer start programs were seen as options, but people were given different answers about the availability in reality of many of these.  we also were told that we would be given an up-or-down answer by several different deadlines, all which have since elapsed.  

on top of this, it certainly HAS to be annoying to those who were placed on a waitlist for the specific program that apparently had spots available to watch a bunch of people with no formerly expressed interest be consulted first.  

and finally...many of the people who got this email have 166/3.75+... which is low on the LSAT side, but certainly not in terms of gpa.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: joeyd005 on May 23, 2006, 11:55:19 AM
Just here to vent my anger with Duke.  Since getting the email last week I called the office a few times to talk to hoye but never got in touch, and emailed a couple times to convey interest.  I also sent a real letter of continued interest the other day and had a recommendation faxed this morning.  There was no response to any of this until I emailed hoye again after seeing the stuff on this thread this afternoon, where I then got the general letter that every one else has gotten.  I'm pretty pissed off at the the way they went about the whole thing.  That is all.  
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 23, 2006, 11:56:22 AM
That is the thing... they have been very shady and underhanded about it all... regardless of what the Duke class of 09 says.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: reynolda on May 23, 2006, 11:59:04 AM
ooh, i just got my '@#!*-off'...erm, i mean, 'we're sorry it's full' letter from hoye as well.   ;D
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: doublec on May 23, 2006, 12:00:53 PM
Every time I have dealt with Dean Hoye he has been very nice and  polite.  I have to agree that they must use summer programs in USNWR.  It is just hard because a waitlist gives you some hope.  Then to read that even though they say there is no ranking in the summer or fall waitlists they are asking people from the fall to think about the summer. 

We do the same thing that law schools do.  We apply to safety schools.  If they asked if we would for sure attend their school, we would say we are thinking about it.  We than would put them in our own waitlist.   I know I did this with at least one school.  Until I got into a better one. 

We understand the why, it is just the way it is done that we arenít super happy about. 
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: queencruella on May 23, 2006, 12:45:48 PM
I just think it's underhanded to ask people not on the summer waitlist about the summer program. Earlier in the season, people on here emailed admissions about the summer WL, which had a small group of people. Most of us in that topic (can't remember what it was right now) naturally thought that the school would be pulling from that group.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: magnumalv on May 23, 2006, 01:16:14 PM
I had a horrible experience with Duke and I was accepted... they were rude and condescending. I definitely got the "we don't need you, you need us" vibe in SPADES.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: doublec on May 24, 2006, 03:10:43 PM
Anyone heard anything?
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: buju on May 24, 2006, 07:50:59 PM
I eventually got the same letter as everyone else.  Aparently they sent them out one at a time.  I guess someone at Duke didn't have much work to do and decided to try to make sending that email into an all-day project.

Is it safe to assume that chances of getting into the summer class were much better than getting into the fall class?  If so, I guess not getting a spot for the summer indicates that I should give up all hope for the regular waitlist.
Title: Re: Duke question
Post by: Stephon Devante on May 24, 2006, 08:22:51 PM
I'm going out on a limb and saying chances were better for the summer waitlist than fall, and our chances are approximately .00000000001% of getting in a this point.  :-\