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Title: admission?
Post by: h2xblive on May 02, 2006, 10:10:51 PM

Thanks
Title: Re: January admission?
Post by: 4DClaw on May 03, 2006, 04:21:51 AM
The only one of those I'm familiar with is Thomas Jefferson, because a friend went there. He chose it over better schools because of a great scholarship and it's closer to his home. He hated it, even though he did very well (I'm pretty sure top 20 percent or so). He had no job upon graduation, even though he busted his butt sending out resumes and networking. So he took the GMATs and is getting an MBA while working a clerical job during the day. If you look at the NALP directory, the only OCI is the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's Corps.

Again, I don't know anything about the other schools, and the only info. I have about TJ is one anecdote that is not at all representative of everyone. I'm sure some students had great experiences. But just be careful, particularly if you're going to take out tons of debt.

If your LSAT was really low, it might make sense to take a prep course like Testmasters and retake in June or September. If you have a huge difference in two scores, some schools will take the higher one instead of averaging them.

Title: Re: January admission?
Post by: 4DClaw on May 03, 2006, 09:03:18 AM
www.nalpdirectory.com
Thanks for the heads up.  Where on the NALP site can you find the OCI listings for Thomas Jefferson (or any other law school?)

Thanks again
Title: Re: January admission?
Post by: h2xblive on May 03, 2006, 09:04:08 AM
Nevermind, I found it.

Good resource, thanks for pointing it out!
Title: Re: January admission?
Post by: doomkitty on May 03, 2006, 10:24:47 AM
Since my LSAT is pretty low, basically all tier 1 schools are out of reach[:(]  Anyways, I'm thinking about applying to more realistic schools, however some of them are offering admission to to enter their law school in January.  Since I've already been rejected by all the schools I applied to last fall (so I may enter in August of 2006), I'm thinking about sending off a few applications in a few weeks to schools such as California Western, Thomas Jefferson,  and Golden Gate law school.  Each of these will allow me, if accepted, to enter in January of 2007. 

Is there any reason not to go this route?  On a side note, is there any reason not to apply to these law schools?

The reason I'm asking this question is because most of the "higher ranked" law schools don't have this option.  Just wondering what the reason might be besides convenience.

Thanks

I was in the same boat as you before I retook the LSATs.  I have done lots of research about Cal Western and Thomas Jefferson as well.  Whatever you do- DO NOT GO TO THOMAS JEFFERSON.  Their bar passage rate percentage is in the low 30s, and CA as a whole is in the 60s, because Anyone can take the bar.  Thats why it's artificially low.  I am working in San Diego in a law firm, and there is one lawyer out of the 300 who work here that went there, and she has a masters degree in Biology and is a patent attorney (it doesnt really matter where they go to law school)

I talked to TJ students and all of them told me to run like hell away from there...
Cal western is respected more, so if you're chosing between the two, you might want to look there.

Good luck!
Title: Re: January admission?
Post by: pinkybella on May 03, 2006, 10:34:56 AM
Since my LSAT is pretty low, basically all tier 1 schools are out of reach[:(]  Anyways, I'm thinking about applying to more realistic schools, however some of them are offering admission to to enter their law school in January.  Since I've already been rejected by all the schools I applied to last fall (so I may enter in August of 2006), I'm thinking about sending off a few applications in a few weeks to schools such as California Western, Thomas Jefferson,  and Golden Gate law school.  Each of these will allow me, if accepted, to enter in January of 2007. 

Is there any reason not to go this route?  On a side note, is there any reason not to apply to these law schools?

The reason I'm asking this question is because most of the "higher ranked" law schools don't have this option.  Just wondering what the reason might be besides convenience.

Thanks

I was in the same boat as you before I retook the LSATs.  I have done lots of research about Cal Western and Thomas Jefferson as well.  Whatever you do- DO NOT GO TO THOMAS JEFFERSON.  Their bar passage rate percentage is in the low 30s, and CA as a whole is in the 60s, because Anyone can take the bar.  Thats why it's artificially low.  I am working in San Diego in a law firm, and there is one lawyer out of the 300 who work here that went there, and she has a masters degree in Biology and is a patent attorney (it doesnt really matter where they go to law school)

I talked to TJ students and all of them told me to run like hell away from there...
Cal western is respected more, so if you're chosing between the two, you might want to look there.

Good luck!


I completely agree. Avoid TJ.
Title: Re: January admission?
Post by: 4DClaw on May 04, 2006, 06:08:53 AM
Using your criteria for "decent job," it depends on a few key factors (I'm no expert - this is just from numerous talks I've had with practicing lawyers, law school career offices, and students):
- How much do you take out in loans? Many of the lower-tier schools charge tuition comparable to the T14, so you could be looking at 100k-150k in debt. That could affect the amount of money you'd have to earn to have a comfortable life upon graduation.
- Where do you rank in your class? Of course, that's impossible to know right now. If you end up at one of the lower-tier schools and rank in the top 10-20 percent, you'll have decent job prospects in your local area. But if you go to a T4 and are in the bottom third of the class (like 33.3 percent of the students, of course), it will be a lot harder.

Where are you located? I'd definitely aim for a state school if you can get in-state tuition. That could cut down your costs significantly.

Did you prep for the LSAT? If you didn't spend hundreds of hours practicing, then you definitely have the chance to improve. If you could raise your LSAT even just to 160-162, you'd have a whole new set of options open to you. I actually postponed taking the LSAT until February because I didn't think I had prepared as much as I could have. Even though my applications went out really late, it was well worth it.

Thanks for all the great input!  Thomas Jefferson is off my list, but I'm still looking into some other schools.  I've basically made a list of about 100 schools where, based on my GPA and LSAT (assuming I don't retake or improve my score) I have a 2-25%, 25-50%, 50-75%, and 75-90% of getting into those schools.  It's a big list, and I'm slowly going to marking the ones I like and dropping the ones I don't like.  Thomas Jefferson is the first knocked off!  Given my LSAT is in the low 150s right now, and my GPA is barely a 3.0, I have to be realistic...

Can anyone recommend schools (given my rough numbers) where, even upon graduation, you're not at Latham and Watkins (which is ok, for me), but you can still get a "decent" job at a private firm?  By decent I mean, enough $ to support yourself and have a little left over and learning/networking at that first job, so maybe after a few years of hard work, there would be the opportunity for getting into an elite corporation or law firm is one so wished.
Title: Re: January admission?
Post by: 4DClaw on May 04, 2006, 11:35:28 AM
That's great that you don't have to take out loans. It'll present options that a lot of people don't have. But you're talking about the top 10 percent of a T2. It's going to be hard to get into a T2 if you're GPA is barely 3.0 and your LSAT is in the low 150s (depends on how low in the 150s it is). McGeorge, which is at the bottom of the T2, has a 25th percentile LSAT of 156 and 25th percentile GPA of 3.0. Do you have any outstanding soft factors/URM status?

I spent hundreds of hours studying for the LSAT, that's what is so frustrating about it.  If I retook the LSAT, I HIGHLY DOUBT (even with a class) it will rise above the high 150s, so that's why I'm still debating whether to retake.  IQ tests were never my thing.  That's ok, though.  Not everyone is capable, no matter how hard they work, to get above a 160.  I hope I'm wrong, which is another reason I may retake the LSAT.  That "hope" could hurt me though.  I am afraid of doing worse or even improving by only 1 or 2 points: a few grand down the drain and since law schools will see both my scores, they may question my judgement abilities, or lack of.

As for school loans, that's a moot issue; it will be minimal if anything.  I'm lucky to have parents willing to support me, but I will still be applying to my local instate institution, of course.

I have heard that finishing in the top 10% of your class at a T2 school will get you a good shot at the same jobs as someone at a T1 who's in the bottom 60% of their class.  I know those numbers are off, but I think the idea is correct.