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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: greengrl on April 30, 2006, 03:17:41 PM

Title: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on April 30, 2006, 03:17:41 PM
For those of you still considering or just plain out curious, I'll post what I can about my trip to Iowa.

I went during finals so I admittedly did not do a lot of the tour, sit in a class etc.. stuff that most people do during a visit which is great b/c I'm less concerned with what the classroom looks like. The campus is cute; I've never been in a college town and Iowa City seems to be the definition of--the city literally revolves around the University. The law school is on the west side of campus. It is near the University Hospital and what appeared to be some undergraduate dorms although I'm not sure. There are hills EVERYWHERE--as well as tons of huge yellow buses that shuttle everyone around from different areas of the campus and the city. There are buses that run downtown, from the Univ apts; pretty much anywhere a student would want to go. It is very clear the city revolves around the University.

The undergrad campus is on the other side of the "river"; there is a huge footbridge that connects the two and you can find your typical restaurant/bar far on the other side of that. Lots of cute little shops, everyone was out walking, parking was kind of a pain but it seems that you really can walk to take a bus anywhere within campus you want to. For those who will be driving around like me there is a big mall a few miles away in Corralville and your typical grocery, Walmart etc...

It is VERY VERY VERY rural. I was disapointed in the quality of housing b/c it's mostly run down crap holes for undergrads. So that will be an issue.  If you have never been in the rural midwest then you need to visit Iowa before attending. I personally love it so I feel like i"m a bit biased, however, even as a midwest girl I was a little shocked. It will be a huge adjustment from living in Chicago and I"m a little nervous. Cost of living is great but I'm not sure how to deal with the lack of nightlife and such. Realistically I can't afford the $500 bottle service nights out anymore so maybe it's a good thing  ;) but it will be an adjustment. RURAL!! Agh! I can't stress this enough---you will share the road with tractors; two lane, super hilly, very narrow rural roads with farms and tractors EVERYWHERE. If you've never lived in a rurual areal then check it out.

What I feel really distinguishes Iowa from other top 25 schools is their attitude towards their students. It's so clear it's not a smoke and mirrors thing; they really care about their students, they are SO incredibly nice and helpful and I can only imagine that when we're strung out on caffeine and stress a friendly face will mean a whole lot more than it might now. It's a midwest thing--life is at a much slower pace in Iowa and if that bothers you then I can see you not being happy at Iowa. I met with a 2L prof, Career Services and the Dean of Admissions--none of whom were afraid to take on some of the tougher questions regarding career placement etc..

The Univ apts are really run down and I was really disappointed with that. Housing, I think, will be a real issue. You share the campus with undergrads, for sure. The city of Iowa City is a little run down, there is still minimal tornado damage that needs to be cleaned up but nothing crazy; however the city is just...I don't know, for lack of better words--run down. The downtown area that seems to cater to students and such is nice, and there are some really cute older historical homes and such, but also some much older, not so taken care of homes in the area as well. Again, these are just observations. The Univ facilities, however, minus the housing, are really nice.

That's about all I've got; I spent most of my time in the car driving from Chicago and then back that night so I apologize my review might not be that great. I will return in a few more weeks so I can post more then

Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: Kevin26.2 on April 30, 2006, 07:47:00 PM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on April 30, 2006, 08:05:28 PM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great


Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: yiplong on May 01, 2006, 11:22:29 AM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 01, 2006, 11:28:11 AM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 

Yiplong you are right; I didnt' mean to sound like a "princess" I was just a little less than impressed. I think I"m just overwhelmed by the process in general--too many second thoughts.

We'll for sure miss you at Iowa--you seem super cool.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 01, 2006, 12:02:17 PM
The obvious solution is for you to live in the undergraduate dorms.  Then you will be surrounded by little 18 year old teeny boppers and feel so old that you'll want, no...CRAVE to study.  Top of your class!
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: yiplong on May 01, 2006, 12:14:49 PM
The obvious solution is for you to live in the undergraduate dorms.  Then you will be surrounded by little 18 year old teeny boppers and feel so old that you'll want, no...CRAVE to study.  Top of your class!

If Iowa is anything like my undergra, I would surely stay away from undergrads.  Imagine thundering music all day long and drunk chick everything from Thursday night to Sunday evening. 
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: Kevin26.2 on May 01, 2006, 02:11:23 PM
Quote

If Iowa is anything like my undergra, I would surely stay away from undergrads.  Imagine thundering music all day long and drunk chick everything from Thursday night to Sunday evening. 

wait, how is this a problem? part of my reason for going back to school is because i heard facebook was awesome.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 01, 2006, 02:18:04 PM
The obvious solution is for you to live in the undergraduate dorms.  Then you will be surrounded by little 18 year old teeny boppers and feel so old that you'll want, no...CRAVE to study.  Top of your class!

If Iowa is anything like my undergra, I would surely stay away from undergrads.  Imagine thundering music all day long and drunk chick everything from Thursday night to Sunday evening. 

All you're telling me is that we should go to the library during the day and stay in the dorms during the weekend. :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: yiplong on May 01, 2006, 02:29:17 PM
To tell you the truth, I kind of miss the days when I can get drunk with a bunch of young chicks and dance around puking all over the floor.  What a life!
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: blocke123 on May 01, 2006, 07:22:29 PM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 

Yiplong you are right; I didnt' mean to sound like a "princess" I was just a little less than impressed. I think I"m just overwhelmed by the process in general--too many second thoughts.

We'll for sure miss you at Iowa--you seem super cool.


Greengrl...

What kind of placement questions did you ask?  Are you planning on working in Chicago after you leave?  I know there are nice townhouses esp in cedar rapids so that is always an option by the way just an FYI...

Also, maybe I'll see you there.  I haven't decided on Kent or Iowa yet..
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 01, 2006, 09:22:41 PM
The obvious solution is for you to live in the undergraduate dorms.  Then you will be surrounded by little 18 year old teeny boppers and feel so old that you'll want, no...CRAVE to study.  Top of your class!

If Iowa is anything like my undergra, I would surely stay away from undergrads.  Imagine thundering music all day long and drunk chick everything from Thursday night to Sunday evening. 

All you're telling me is that we should go to the library during the day and stay in the dorms during the weekend. :)

umm...so wait-I can't play my music loud and wander around the campus drunk every night just b/c I'm in law school?? oh..maybe I don't want to go afterall :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 01, 2006, 09:25:43 PM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 

Yiplong you are right; I didnt' mean to sound like a "princess" I was just a little less than impressed. I think I"m just overwhelmed by the process in general--too many second thoughts.

We'll for sure miss you at Iowa--you seem super cool.


Greengrl...

What kind of placement questions did you ask?  Are you planning on working in Chicago after you leave?  I know there are nice townhouses esp in cedar rapids so that is always an option by the way just an FYI...

Also, maybe I'll see you there.  I haven't decided on Kent or Iowa yet..

Woo hoo; always eager for another person to join the Iowa train. Honestly I was really impressed with the school. placement was just what I expected; you'll work almost indefinitely within a 500 mile radius of Iowa; farther is always possible (everything is possible) but the reputation of the school will dissipate the farther you go. Duh. Chicago is an option; I'm not sure that it will make sense for me to return here but yes, if you want to work in Chicago you have the opportunity.

Cedar Rapids, hu? I really don't want to put a necessary car ride between me and school; I like the idea of being on a bus line

Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: blocke123 on May 02, 2006, 05:48:09 AM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 

Yiplong you are right; I didnt' mean to sound like a "princess" I was just a little less than impressed. I think I"m just overwhelmed by the process in general--too many second thoughts.

We'll for sure miss you at Iowa--you seem super cool.


Greengrl...

What kind of placement questions did you ask?  Are you planning on working in Chicago after you leave?  I know there are nice townhouses esp in cedar rapids so that is always an option by the way just an FYI...

Also, maybe I'll see you there.  I haven't decided on Kent or Iowa yet..

Woo hoo; always eager for another person to join the Iowa train. Honestly I was really impressed with the school. placement was just what I expected; you'll work almost indefinitely within a 500 mile radius of Iowa; farther is always possible (everything is possible) but the reputation of the school will dissipate the farther you go. Duh. Chicago is an option; I'm not sure that it will make sense for me to return here but yes, if you want to work in Chicago you have the opportunity.

Cedar Rapids, hu? I really don't want to put a necessary car ride between me and school; I like the idea of being on a bus line




There is a website you can access for housing in Iowa.  I think you can access it from the main webpage.  I"m a little concerned about the housing situation myself.  However, if you truly want a better option (quality) then if Iowa is anything like UIUC you want to be at least a little off campus.

Also, what other schools did you get into?
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: yiplong on May 02, 2006, 06:18:05 AM
There is a website you can access for housing in Iowa.  I think you can access it from the main webpage.  I"m a little concerned about the housing situation myself.  However, if you truly want a better option (quality) then if Iowa is anything like UIUC you want to be at least a little off campus.

Also, what other schools did you get into?

The houses I looked at around UIUC are all quite far from campus, either near the railroad or north of the highway on the edge of town.  They are cheap, but are there anything with them that causes the price to drop so low?

I don't think living in Cedar Rapids would be a smart idea, especially not with $3/gallon gas. 
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 07:38:17 AM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 

Yiplong you are right; I didnt' mean to sound like a "princess" I was just a little less than impressed. I think I"m just overwhelmed by the process in general--too many second thoughts.

We'll for sure miss you at Iowa--you seem super cool.


Greengrl...

What kind of placement questions did you ask?  Are you planning on working in Chicago after you leave?  I know there are nice townhouses esp in cedar rapids so that is always an option by the way just an FYI...

Also, maybe I'll see you there.  I haven't decided on Kent or Iowa yet..

Woo hoo; always eager for another person to join the Iowa train. Honestly I was really impressed with the school. placement was just what I expected; you'll work almost indefinitely within a 500 mile radius of Iowa; farther is always possible (everything is possible) but the reputation of the school will dissipate the farther you go. Duh. Chicago is an option; I'm not sure that it will make sense for me to return here but yes, if you want to work in Chicago you have the opportunity.

Cedar Rapids, hu? I really don't want to put a necessary car ride between me and school; I like the idea of being on a bus line




There is a website you can access for housing in Iowa.  I think you can access it from the main webpage.  I"m a little concerned about the housing situation myself.  However, if you truly want a better option (quality) then if Iowa is anything like UIUC you want to be at least a little off campus.

Also, what other schools did you get into?

I've started to look at a few of the property managers on the Iowa website but I think I'm just going to drive back up there next week and start looking around. It's not that far from Chicago so it's not too bad of a day trip. You're right, though; to find something half way decent I will probably have to go off campus but I really wanted to keep my costs down so I might have to just suck it up. My concern is that b/c Iowa is so rural, I dont' want to have to drive in the snow and such; even after living in snow for 26 odd years I still hate driving in it, even though Iowa really doesn't get AS much snow as we do here in Illinois and Ohio for that matter. Anyway, I got into SLU with a scholarship and turned that down, Case, Iowa; Held at Wisconsin, waitlisted at Notre Dame, Deferred at Chicago Kent--seriously I REALLY applied too late and to too few schools. If I had it to do over again I would have applied to at least fifteen schools; I think I might like a few more options.

oh well, live and learn :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 07:46:06 AM
There is a website you can access for housing in Iowa.  I think you can access it from the main webpage.  I"m a little concerned about the housing situation myself.  However, if you truly want a better option (quality) then if Iowa is anything like UIUC you want to be at least a little off campus.

Also, what other schools did you get into?

The houses I looked at around UIUC are all quite far from campus, either near the railroad or north of the highway on the edge of town.  They are cheap, but are there anything with them that causes the price to drop so low?

I don't think living in Cedar Rapids would be a smart idea, especially not with $3/gallon gas. 

another good point on the gas--my car is big and goes through gas like CRAZY. I wish I could eliminate the expense of the car, but, alas, I am too upside down on the loan. The houses at UIUC are probably that cheap b/c think about it--it's not like there is a huge demand in the market in Southern Illinois. i don't think there is anything wrong persay
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: Kevin26.2 on May 02, 2006, 09:09:57 AM
Blocke123,

I thought you'd decided on Kent? As I recall, your major issue is whether or not Iowa places in Chicago, is that correct?

greengrl,

You just mentioned driving in snow. I hope its not too hard, I've never done it before. I suppose I can worry about that later after I've found a place to live and started going to class, haha.



Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 02, 2006, 10:29:21 AM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 

Yiplong you are right; I didnt' mean to sound like a "princess" I was just a little less than impressed. I think I"m just overwhelmed by the process in general--too many second thoughts.

We'll for sure miss you at Iowa--you seem super cool.


Greengrl...

What kind of placement questions did you ask?  Are you planning on working in Chicago after you leave?  I know there are nice townhouses esp in cedar rapids so that is always an option by the way just an FYI...

Also, maybe I'll see you there.  I haven't decided on Kent or Iowa yet..

Woo hoo; always eager for another person to join the Iowa train. Honestly I was really impressed with the school. placement was just what I expected; you'll work almost indefinitely within a 500 mile radius of Iowa; farther is always possible (everything is possible) but the reputation of the school will dissipate the farther you go. Duh. Chicago is an option; I'm not sure that it will make sense for me to return here but yes, if you want to work in Chicago you have the opportunity.

Cedar Rapids, hu? I really don't want to put a necessary car ride between me and school; I like the idea of being on a bus line




There is a website you can access for housing in Iowa.  I think you can access it from the main webpage.  I"m a little concerned about the housing situation myself.  However, if you truly want a better option (quality) then if Iowa is anything like UIUC you want to be at least a little off campus.

Also, what other schools did you get into?

I've started to look at a few of the property managers on the Iowa website but I think I'm just going to drive back up there next week and start looking around. It's not that far from Chicago so it's not too bad of a day trip. You're right, though; to find something half way decent I will probably have to go off campus but I really wanted to keep my costs down so I might have to just suck it up. My concern is that b/c Iowa is so rural, I dont' want to have to drive in the snow and such; even after living in snow for 26 odd years I still hate driving in it, even though Iowa really doesn't get AS much snow as we do here in Illinois and Ohio for that matter. Anyway, I got into SLU with a scholarship and turned that down, Case, Iowa; Held at Wisconsin, waitlisted at Notre Dame, Deferred at Chicago Kent--seriously I REALLY applied too late and to too few schools. If I had it to do over again I would have applied to at least fifteen schools; I think I might like a few more options.

oh well, live and learn :)


You should come to Kent, because all the cool kids are there...and by cool kids I mean me.      Oh yeah, and maybe Blocke123.  Chicago >>>>> Iowa City and you know it. :)  Although I was actually talking to a dental assistant today and she was like Iowa City is an awesome place, so I guess that's something. :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: blocke123 on May 02, 2006, 10:33:09 AM
Blocke123,

I thought you'd decided on Kent? As I recall, your major issue is whether or not Iowa places in Chicago, is that correct?

greengrl,

You just mentioned driving in snow. I hope its not too hard, I've never done it before. I suppose I can worry about that later after I've found a place to live and started going to class, haha.





I haven't decided on either quite yet (see earlier comments).  However, Iowa and Kent are the contender.  I still haven't decided which one will place better in Chicago.  I'm inclined to attend Iowa because of their ranking vs. Kent Law.  Kent would be easier and my wife really wants to live in Chicago.  One thing we are going to check is salary for my wife... if she can get 20k better in Chicago its worth going to a lower ranked school and making myself get into the top 10% rather than going to Iowa and trying to get into the top 30%.  

Also, driving in snow is difficult.  When I grew up in Chicago so driving in snow for everyone I knew was second nature.  In fact I LEARNED how to drive in snow.  When I lived in NC I realized that most people can not drive in snow (even in CT it seems they have never learned).  The biggest obstacle for my southern friends moving to the north is that stores, offices, schools do not close during snowfall.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: yiplong on May 02, 2006, 10:36:20 AM
The biggest obstacle for my southern friends moving to the north is that stores, offices, schools do not close during snowfall.

Office and schools do close during snowfall.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: blocke123 on May 02, 2006, 10:38:24 AM
The biggest obstacle for my southern friends moving to the north is that stores, offices, schools do not close during snowfall.

Office and schools do close during snowfall.

Not in Chicago.  Not usually in the other states (I've lived for short periods of time in Michigan and CT)..  CT residents seem to freak out a bit when it snows but most if not all work.  In NC everything shuts down.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 02, 2006, 10:41:16 AM
If public transportion is running, schools stay open is the general rule of thumb.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: blocke123 on May 02, 2006, 10:50:42 AM
If public transportion is running, schools stay open is the general rule of thumb.

True, I'm just stating what I've seen.  NC cancels school (and so does CT to a lesser extent) when it snows while in all the years of schooling in Chicago it closed once.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 11:38:39 AM
Blocke123,

I thought you'd decided on Kent? As I recall, your major issue is whether or not Iowa places in Chicago, is that correct?

greengrl,

You just mentioned driving in snow. I hope its not too hard, I've never done it before. I suppose I can worry about that later after I've found a place to live and started going to class, haha.





I'll teach you--it's not bad as long as there isn't ice. If it's ice, well then, go slow and pray :) b/c there really isnt' much of anything you can do. Highways/Interstates are usually fine and campus I"m sure will be plowed so that will be ok, but I was just trying to avoid driving in from Corralville or farther in the snow.  However, I'm sure I could find a tractor to pull me out of the ditch if I land there :)

Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 11:41:44 AM
If public transportion is running, schools stay open is the general rule of thumb.

True, I'm just stating what I've seen.  NC cancels school (and so does CT to a lesser extent) when it snows while in all the years of schooling in Chicago it closed once.

hahahahah...oh.i'm sorry...i cant' help but laugh. close down our city for snow? oh please!!! it's like an invitation for everyone who doesn't know how to drive to hit the road all at once :)

The city is actually really good at snow removal for the most part and public transportation eases a lot of the burden. However, this year we got hit twice with "rush hour blizzards" -- snow fell super heavy from like 3 pm until rush hour making it a nightmare to get out of the city. This is rare, but when it happens, commutes will go as long as four hours from the city to the northern/western suburbs (usually a 45 min drive).

good thing we're all nerds and will be hanging out in the library :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 11:44:04 AM
great review!

having spent some time in parts of west texas (and even some parts of houston) the ruralness isn't a big deal for me. i've shared the road with a horse on a few occasions, so a tractor isn't a huge deal...

the HOUSING however is a big deal...

run-down. does that mean just old? not well-kept? dilapidated? can you elaborate?

i might need to actually go and visit first before i decide where to live. yikes, i was hoping to be able to avoid that, but oh well.

again, great review. thanks for posting it.


I was totally going to PM you but I've been working almost non stop since I got back from Iowa. Housing is going to be a definite issue I think. I'm signed up for an apartment in the University Apts but they are just SO run down; they look old and institutional and just generally not so great. I will be up in the next few weeks to find some housing; hopefully we can find something a little nicer. I really want to avoid having to drive to school, though, so in that case I might just be stuck living there. There were also a lot of kids toys and I think there are a lot of families that live there which is bad bad bad for students trying to study. I dont' like kids--sorry, I like quiet. So I gotta figure that part out

Otherwise the school seems great

Cheer up!
I came from a poor family and beleive me, I have lived in some of the worst apartments known to mankind.  And generally, I would be willing to live a shithole for three years just to save money, so I will have more freedom at choosing diff. career path down the road. 
Three years is a long time, but it will pass. 

Yiplong you are right; I didnt' mean to sound like a "princess" I was just a little less than impressed. I think I"m just overwhelmed by the process in general--too many second thoughts.

We'll for sure miss you at Iowa--you seem super cool.


Greengrl...

What kind of placement questions did you ask?  Are you planning on working in Chicago after you leave?  I know there are nice townhouses esp in cedar rapids so that is always an option by the way just an FYI...

Also, maybe I'll see you there.  I haven't decided on Kent or Iowa yet..

Woo hoo; always eager for another person to join the Iowa train. Honestly I was really impressed with the school. placement was just what I expected; you'll work almost indefinitely within a 500 mile radius of Iowa; farther is always possible (everything is possible) but the reputation of the school will dissipate the farther you go. Duh. Chicago is an option; I'm not sure that it will make sense for me to return here but yes, if you want to work in Chicago you have the opportunity.

Cedar Rapids, hu? I really don't want to put a necessary car ride between me and school; I like the idea of being on a bus line




There is a website you can access for housing in Iowa.  I think you can access it from the main webpage.  I"m a little concerned about the housing situation myself.  However, if you truly want a better option (quality) then if Iowa is anything like UIUC you want to be at least a little off campus.

Also, what other schools did you get into?

I've started to look at a few of the property managers on the Iowa website but I think I'm just going to drive back up there next week and start looking around. It's not that far from Chicago so it's not too bad of a day trip. You're right, though; to find something half way decent I will probably have to go off campus but I really wanted to keep my costs down so I might have to just suck it up. My concern is that b/c Iowa is so rural, I dont' want to have to drive in the snow and such; even after living in snow for 26 odd years I still hate driving in it, even though Iowa really doesn't get AS much snow as we do here in Illinois and Ohio for that matter. Anyway, I got into SLU with a scholarship and turned that down, Case, Iowa; Held at Wisconsin, waitlisted at Notre Dame, Deferred at Chicago Kent--seriously I REALLY applied too late and to too few schools. If I had it to do over again I would have applied to at least fifteen schools; I think I might like a few more options.

oh well, live and learn :)


You should come to Kent, because all the cool kids are there...and by cool kids I mean me.      Oh yeah, and maybe Blocke123.  Chicago >>>>> Iowa City and you know it. :)  Although I was actually talking to a dental assistant today and she was like Iowa City is an awesome place, so I guess that's something. :)

Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: blocke123 on May 02, 2006, 12:19:17 PM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)
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Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 12:48:49 PM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?
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More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 02, 2006, 01:10:29 PM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?

More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!
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Why would it matter if the law school is attached to a major research institution?
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 02:20:25 PM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?

More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!

Why would it matter if the law school is attached to a major research institution?
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It wouldn't necessarily matter for someone wanting to do IP, but I anticipate that I will continue my research and science education so for ME I want to be at a research institution; maybe I should have worded that differently

Kent has a good IP program, that's what they do so if that's what you're interested in then you're in good shape. That's why I applied to there and didn't apply anywhere else in Chicago, not even NU.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 02, 2006, 08:35:49 PM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?

More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!

Why would it matter if the law school is attached to a major research institution?

It wouldn't necessarily matter for someone wanting to do IP, but I anticipate that I will continue my research and science education so for ME I want to be at a research institution; maybe I should have worded that differently

Kent has a good IP program, that's what they do so if that's what you're interested in then you're in good shape. That's why I applied to there and didn't apply anywhere else in Chicago, not even NU.
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But how much time would you have to do research and science education during law school?  Were you planning on doing some after law school?  Are you going to try to do a joint JD/PHD?
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 02, 2006, 08:52:23 PM
I liked this review.  Folks out here always talk about how nice and "un-rural" Iowa City is :D.  I guess it's all about perspective - just don't drive too far west or south of Iowa City :).

twinkie cowboy rocks.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 10:40:18 PM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?

More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!

Why would it matter if the law school is attached to a major research institution?

It wouldn't necessarily matter for someone wanting to do IP, but I anticipate that I will continue my research and science education so for ME I want to be at a research institution; maybe I should have worded that differently

Kent has a good IP program, that's what they do so if that's what you're interested in then you're in good shape. That's why I applied to there and didn't apply anywhere else in Chicago, not even NU.

But how much time would you have to do research and science education during law school?  Were you planning on doing some after law school?  Are you going to try to do a joint JD/PHD?
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I may...more than likely I will do a Masters in Biochem or Molecular Biology. I'm keeping the option of research my second year open; I've got a slightly different career focus and I think that research and an advanced degree might really help.

Why so much concern ?  :) You seem to be "testing" my decision
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 02, 2006, 10:42:55 PM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?

More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!

Why would it matter if the law school is attached to a major research institution?

It wouldn't necessarily matter for someone wanting to do IP, but I anticipate that I will continue my research and science education so for ME I want to be at a research institution; maybe I should have worded that differently

Kent has a good IP program, that's what they do so if that's what you're interested in then you're in good shape. That's why I applied to there and didn't apply anywhere else in Chicago, not even NU.

But how much time would you have to do research and science education during law school?  Were you planning on doing some after law school?  Are you going to try to do a joint JD/PHD?

One reason I almost chose Illinois was the ability to take a few (three or four?) classes outside of the law school, and it's a top research university with a strong English department.  If only the location had been better! :-\
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Trust me, i'm not THRILLED about the location of Iowa and in hindsight I really should have considered other schools; however, live and learn. I love the cost of living and I, too, love the fact that the University is open to me taking classes outside of the law school. The major draw for me is that they are willing to make my education match MY goals, not theirs. I feel a lot better about taking some risks knowing that the school will work with me and not against me.

However, I'm still sitting here wondering if after all this I'm even goign to go. But I'm not getting into that :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 03, 2006, 05:42:51 AM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?

More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!

Why would it matter if the law school is attached to a major research institution?

It wouldn't necessarily matter for someone wanting to do IP, but I anticipate that I will continue my research and science education so for ME I want to be at a research institution; maybe I should have worded that differently

Kent has a good IP program, that's what they do so if that's what you're interested in then you're in good shape. That's why I applied to there and didn't apply anywhere else in Chicago, not even NU.

But how much time would you have to do research and science education during law school?  Were you planning on doing some after law school?  Are you going to try to do a joint JD/PHD?

I may...more than likely I will do a Masters in Biochem or Molecular Biology. I'm keeping the option of research my second year open; I've got a slightly different career focus and I think that research and an advanced degree might really help.

Why so much concern ?  :) You seem to be "testing" my decision
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Testing?  No, although it does seem a little weird but hey, you know what's best for you. Although obviously I'm going to cheerlead for you to go to a Chicago school, because you know...Chicago rocks. :)

As to not knowing to go or not....that's a different story. :)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: blocke123 on May 03, 2006, 07:07:30 AM
Iowa city is really cute; Kent has me deferred?? Seriously people, it's may, make up your mind. I can think of ten million more things I would rather do this summer than wait for waitlists and deferrals :)

Would you go to Kent if they took you off their Deferral list? If so, why?

More than likely, no. Outside of cost of living, which as a single woman I can't justify, I want to do Biotech IP; it makes so much more sense for me to be at a school that is a major research institution like Iowa. My law school path will probably be a little less than typical....Iowa seems to be ok with that, CK seems WAY too concerned with rankings and such and my friends that went there say that their students are ridiculously competitive. I mean, law school IS competitive but I need to feel SOME sort of collegiate atmosphere.

I just wish I would have applied to more schools!

Why would it matter if the law school is attached to a major research institution?

It wouldn't necessarily matter for someone wanting to do IP, but I anticipate that I will continue my research and science education so for ME I want to be at a research institution; maybe I should have worded that differently

Kent has a good IP program, that's what they do so if that's what you're interested in then you're in good shape. That's why I applied to there and didn't apply anywhere else in Chicago, not even NU.

But how much time would you have to do research and science education during law school?  Were you planning on doing some after law school?  Are you going to try to do a joint JD/PHD?

I may...more than likely I will do a Masters in Biochem or Molecular Biology. I'm keeping the option of research my second year open; I've got a slightly different career focus and I think that research and an advanced degree might really help.

Why so much concern ?  :) You seem to be "testing" my decision

Testing?  No, although it does seem a little weird but hey, you know what's best for you. Although obviously I'm going to cheerlead for you to go to a Chicago school, because you know...Chicago rocks. :)

As to not knowing to go or not....that's a different story. :)
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Slightly offtopic,

As I was looking through a lot of data on various websites I've seen that Iowa doesn't place many graduates in Chicago firms.  In fact, the name I see pop up the most (besides T14 and Illinois) is Loyola, DePaul and Kent.  I'm starting to think I should be going to Kent... not sure if anyone else has seen this phenomenon.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 03, 2006, 07:54:13 AM

As I was looking through a lot of data on various websites I've seen that Iowa doesn't place many graduates in Chicago firms.  In fact, the name I see pop up the most (besides T14 and Illinois) is Loyola, DePaul and Kent.  I'm starting to think I should be going to Kent... not sure if anyone else has seen this phenomenon.

I have no qualms about thread hijacking! 

I haven't done too much of the research, but it does seem that that is the case.  I think that ND probably places pretty well in Chicago (although that might something to do with the legendary ND alumni base).  I bet Iowa places a lot of their people in the the Iowa area.  Whereas Chicago is the only city in IL that matters. ;)
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: greengrl on May 03, 2006, 10:19:03 AM

As I was looking through a lot of data on various websites I've seen that Iowa doesn't place many graduates in Chicago firms.  In fact, the name I see pop up the most (besides T14 and Illinois) is Loyola, DePaul and Kent.  I'm starting to think I should be going to Kent... not sure if anyone else has seen this phenomenon.

I have no qualms about thread hijacking! 

I haven't done too much of the research, but it does seem that that is the case.  I think that ND probably places pretty well in Chicago (although that might something to do with the legendary ND alumni base).  I bet Iowa places a lot of their people in the the Iowa area.  Whereas Chicago is the only city in IL that matters. ;)

I had a lengthy conversation about this with the Dean at Iowa. You have to keep in mind that Iowa, as a state school, has a lot of students that do self select to work in Iowa. I've talked to many students and there are quite a few 2L's doing paid internships in Chicago; 1L is a jackpot wherever you go. The bottom line is this--the Chicago job market will be competitive no matter where you go. It's the largest city in the midwest and a fun place to live so obviously people want to move here. That being said schools in Chicago will place well here b/c DUH they're here and it's easier for grads to interview but that doesn't mean that they are the only schools that place here. Also, keep in mind that just b/c you are getting placed in Chicago doesnt' mean you're getting the job you want--big difference.

I wouldnt' even humor Loyola and Depaul b/c I've known way too many grads in massive debt who are at the bottom of the food chain in Chicago and have almost zero prospects outside of Chicago. I don't trust Kent which is why I backed off; the more research I did the less I trust the institution. I'm not comfortable with a school whose median LSAT jumps up so fast--it says one thing to me: they are trying to buy ratings.

I'm pretty comfortable that you can go to Iowa and get a placement in Chicago if you work to do it. If you dont' interview well then that's a bigger issue, but...

ND places well in Chicago b/c yes, the alumni. ND places well everywhere b/c of their alumni.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: p0six on May 03, 2006, 10:55:32 AM
I wouldnt' even humor Loyola and Depaul b/c I've known way too many grads in massive debt who are at the bottom of the food chain in Chicago and have almost zero prospects outside of Chicago. I don't trust Kent which is why I backed off; the more research I did the less I trust the institution. I'm not comfortable with a school whose median LSAT jumps up so fast--it says one thing to me: they are trying to buy ratings.

I think that while it's unfortunate that everyone pays so much attention to the rankings, they're really a fact of life.  And while gaming the system for increased rank in the USNEWS report seems rather stupid (and at it's worst can be detrimental for student education), a massive increase in LSAT scores doesn't necessarily mean buying ratings.

Suppose we lived in a world where students could be broken down into one number by quality.  Let's call it the UBER test.  Now, in bizzaro world the USNEWS rankings would definately have a correlation to UBER scores (or median UBER[ness]).  Now if you saw a school whose average UBER was going up, would you say they were buying ranking or attracting higher quality students?  It's to the schools (and past and future students) own self interest to attract better and better students.

Now, we all know that LSAT is not the same as UBER, and there is not necessarily a direct correlation between higher median LSAT score and improved student body, but they are at least loosely correlated.  Of course, this may just be one of those guys who was "bought" speaking. :)  Even though I turned down more $$ at Loyola.
Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: vap on March 02, 2007, 01:47:29 PM
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Title: Re: My trip to Iowa
Post by: dawhizz on March 02, 2007, 01:54:44 PM
I went undergrad at Iowa and my best friend graduated from Iowa and now works in Chicago (his wife's in medical school and matched at Northwestern). Most of the grad students live in a part of Iowa City called University Heights on the law school side of the river, while most undergrads live on the other side (closer to downtown), so don't let the run down look of the undergrad dorms fool you, there's some nicer places in University Heights.