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Law Students => Incoming 1Ls => Topic started by: chvti on April 26, 2006, 01:25:46 PM

Title: laptop
Post by: chvti on April 26, 2006, 01:25:46 PM
It seems like it's better to get a light and portable laptop for law school. Any recommandations? Thanks!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: onepoint on April 26, 2006, 01:28:07 PM
i'm using an ibm/lenovo thinkpad x40 and couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: mcleod13 on April 26, 2006, 01:39:25 PM
It seems like it's better to get a light and portable laptop for law school. Any recommandations? Thanks!

The Dell 710M.. LOve it, light, and fast.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 26, 2006, 01:41:58 PM
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OK, I'm done.  :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on April 26, 2006, 01:43:11 PM
oh no... attack of the macwhores!  :o
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 26, 2006, 01:46:31 PM
oh no... attack of the macwhores!  :o

I prefer " Mac Fetishist"  ;)

ADDED:

I'll leave it to the techies to talk about why Macs are awesome, but I love them for two very simple reasons:

1.  They work good
2.  They're pretty.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: 1908 on April 26, 2006, 01:47:31 PM
lol @ legapp
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chvti on April 26, 2006, 02:12:36 PM
Mac is cool, but it is expensive and have to operate it a lil differently comparing to windows-based laptops.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: LawHopeful77 on April 26, 2006, 02:12:52 PM
i just ordered the lenove x41 tablet. Have not recieved it yet, but I think that a tablet could be very useful in lawschool.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on April 26, 2006, 02:17:15 PM
oh no... attack of the macwhores!  :o

I prefer " Mac Fetishist"  ;)

ADDED:

2.  They're pretty.


typical "mac fetishists"   ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on April 26, 2006, 02:21:33 PM
ultraportable laptops are considered to be 5 lbs or less. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: shae on April 26, 2006, 03:29:02 PM
dell XPS M140
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on April 26, 2006, 05:02:21 PM
If I am fit enough, I would like carry around with me a Dell PowerEdge server.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on April 26, 2006, 05:06:11 PM
If I am fit enough, I would like carry around with me a Dell PowerEdge server.

I'll tell you what, if nothing else, you'll look very badass with one of those..;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Fidelio on April 26, 2006, 05:24:05 PM
I am going to purchase a laptop pretty soon, I'll try to find the lightest one possible.  I think Toshiba has a few of these ultra leight weight ones that are practical for the student is on the go. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 26, 2006, 06:01:17 PM
i just ordered the lenove x41 tablet. Have not recieved it yet, but I think that a tablet could be very useful in lawschool.

Congrats - I bought the same. Let me know if you have any questions :)

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on April 26, 2006, 07:41:28 PM
If I am fit enough, I would like carry around with me a Dell PowerEdge server.

That, or you could just tow around BlueGene.

BlueGene does not run Windows or any commonplace OS.  It has virtually no application in daily computing.  PowerEdge on the other hand, with 4 CPUs and 8 GB of RAM would really kick ass.  The only problem of course, is that PowerEdge is the size of a small table.   ;D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on April 26, 2006, 08:43:10 PM
Let me counter the MacBook whores by reccomending that you do not get one. What a lousy idea for LS.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: caligal on April 26, 2006, 08:45:56 PM
after speaking to some law students there are a couple of things you should keep in mind...you will be looking at that screen alot and typing on that keyboard alot.  sometimes you sacrifice screen and keyboard size for lighter laptops.  the extra few pounds might be worth it in the long run.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SplitFinger on April 26, 2006, 09:11:42 PM
That's what I'm wresting with right now - smaller screen and lighter or bigger screen and heavier?  Normally I'd go for the bigger screen, but this is the first time I'll actually be lugging a laptop around day-in and day-out for months on end, so I don't want to be cursing myself for my stupidity for the next three years...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 26, 2006, 09:22:11 PM
Let me counter the MacBook whores by reccomending that you do not get one. What a lousy idea for LS.

If you're going to state something so blaspemous, at least state your reasons...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on April 26, 2006, 10:03:27 PM
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=333821 (http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=333821)
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=335053 (http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=335053)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: orlando jackson on April 26, 2006, 10:17:37 PM
i just ordered an IBM X60.  its the new version of the X40/30 series.  same body and weight as the earlier ones but comes with the new dual processor stuff.  They are super light and small, but they come with awesome keyboards.  the keyboard on this 12 incher feels better than the one on my 15inch dell or my friends 14inch compaq.  all ibm keyboards are full size.  also, if you call ibm directly and tell them that you're a student they can give you a killer deal.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on April 26, 2006, 10:18:24 PM
re: screen size, i am currently used to a nice big 15.4" widescreen, but i want to get something more portable for law school. i will probably be choosing between Dell's Inspiron 710m and XPS M140. how big of a difference in comfort is there between a 12" screen and a 14" screen (especially for someone used to a 15" one)? it's hard for me to tell by looking.

In my experience 12 is just too small - 14 inch wide is just about perfect.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: 2Lacoste on April 26, 2006, 10:33:50 PM
Gonna be $120 K in debt anyway, what's another couple of hundred.

Going for what'll make me happen (though hurting my pockets).  IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X60.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on April 26, 2006, 11:40:16 PM
I'm probably going to get one of these (fully loaded...$120k for law school, not gonna skimp on supplies):

Dell Latitude D620
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

Dell Latitude D820
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

I'd like to toss out the suggestion that it is worth getting a "business class" laptop. I want a laptop that is made well and will withstand daily use bouncing around in my bookbag. One essential feature I'm looking for is hard drive protection. I've personally witnessed what happens when a running laptop is dropped and the hard drive dies completely. I don't know about ya'll, but I want to protect my class notes, briefs, etc.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: A. on April 27, 2006, 05:58:19 AM
i just ordered an IBM X60.  its the new version of the X40/30 series.  same body and weight as the earlier ones but comes with the new dual processor stuff.  They are super light and small, but they come with awesome keyboards.  the keyboard on this 12 incher feels better than the one on my 15inch dell or my friends 14inch compaq.  all ibm keyboards are full size.  also, if you call ibm directly and tell them that you're a student they can give you a killer deal.

Wise choice.  I have the X41 and love it.  Wouldn't trade it for anything (except an X60).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on April 27, 2006, 06:02:09 AM
i just ordered an IBM X60.  its the new version of the X40/30 series.  same body and weight as the earlier ones but comes with the new dual processor stuff.  They are super light and small, but they come with awesome keyboards.  the keyboard on this 12 incher feels better than the one on my 15inch dell or my friends 14inch compaq.  all ibm keyboards are full size.  also, if you call ibm directly and tell them that you're a student they can give you a killer deal.

what do you mean they will give you a killer deal?  you just called them and told them you were a student and they gave you some sort of discount?  i want in!  the x60 has gotten great reviews, and ibm/lenovo thinkpads are great.  they're just very expensive...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on April 27, 2006, 07:43:35 AM
I'm probably going to get one of these (fully loaded...$120k for law school, not gonna skimp on supplies):

Dell Latitude D620
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

Dell Latitude D820
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

I'd like to toss out the suggestion that it is worth getting a "business class" laptop. I want a laptop that is made well and will withstand daily use bouncing around in my bookbag. One essential feature I'm looking for is hard drive protection. I've personally witnessed what happens when a running laptop is dropped and the hard drive dies completely. I don't know about ya'll, but I want to protect my class notes, briefs, etc.



backup...often

Good idea. ;) In fact, I have a mirrored (RAID) network attached storage device I use currently. Of course, there's still the downtime if you drop your laptop and have to have it fixed.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: orlando jackson on April 27, 2006, 10:19:57 AM
i just ordered an IBM X60.  its the new version of the X40/30 series.  same body and weight as the earlier ones but comes with the new dual processor stuff.  They are super light and small, but they come with awesome keyboards.  the keyboard on this 12 incher feels better than the one on my 15inch dell or my friends 14inch compaq.  all ibm keyboards are full size.  also, if you call ibm directly and tell them that you're a student they can give you a killer deal.

what do you mean they will give you a killer deal?  you just called them and told them you were a student and they gave you some sort of discount?  i want in!  the x60 has gotten great reviews, and ibm/lenovo thinkpads are great.  they're just very expensive...

well, here's the deal on the discount.  i think their normal student discount is around 10%.  they will give ou that if you just tell them you're a student.  certain schools however get really great discounts.  i know that Cal and Penn both do and probably others.  just call and tell them you heard that you could get whatever model for whatever price the Cal or penn website offers it at.  see what they say.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: katedennis on April 27, 2006, 10:29:38 AM
Ohio State students get a 33% discount.  Here's a link, although I am not sure if you have to authenticate to purchase or not (I haven't yet). 

www.ibm.com/shop/ibmdeals/osustudent
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on April 27, 2006, 10:32:44 AM
well, here's the deal on the discount.  i think their normal student discount is around 10%.  they will give ou that if you just tell them you're a student.  certain schools however get really great discounts.  i know that Cal and Penn both do and probably others.  just call and tell them you heard that you could get whatever model for whatever price the Cal or penn website offers it at.  see what they say.

i e-mailed them asking about student discounts in general despite lack of a special deal with the school i'm attending.  if that doesn't work, i'll probably call like you suggest.  i'm not really interested in ordering now, but i am currently checking out options.  if the normal student discount is 10%, do you know what the special deals they have with cal and penn are? 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on April 27, 2006, 02:14:01 PM
I'm probably going to get one of these (fully loaded...$120k for law school, not gonna skimp on supplies):

Dell Latitude D620
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

Dell Latitude D820
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

I'd like to toss out the suggestion that it is worth getting a "business class" laptop. I want a laptop that is made well and will withstand daily use bouncing around in my bookbag. One essential feature I'm looking for is hard drive protection. I've personally witnessed what happens when a running laptop is dropped and the hard drive dies completely. I don't know about ya'll, but I want to protect my class notes, briefs, etc.



backup...often

Good idea. ;) In fact, I have a mirrored (RAID) network attached storage device I use currently. Of course, there's still the downtime if you drop your laptop and have to have it fixed.

To be completely safe, you must do this:

1) Set up Oracle Database to store your school works.
2) Set up another Oracle Database in another part of the world as secondary server.
3) Set up 1 min log shipping and 10 minute reload between the two servers. (every 1 minute, your laptop will ship encrypted log file over to the secondary server located in Some Country, Pleanet Earth, and every 10 minute, this secondary server will update itself with new log files)
4) Set up automatic fail-over to the secondary server, such that when the first server gets destroyed, the 2nd one automatically picks up, and you can continue to work. 

This way, your files can be wiped out only if the Terrorists are able to locate all servers (in this case, 2 servers) and destroy them all. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: shae on April 27, 2006, 02:45:39 PM
I'm probably going to get one of these (fully loaded...$120k for law school, not gonna skimp on supplies):

Dell Latitude D620
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

Dell Latitude D820
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

I'd like to toss out the suggestion that it is worth getting a "business class" laptop. I want a laptop that is made well and will withstand daily use bouncing around in my bookbag. One essential feature I'm looking for is hard drive protection. I've personally witnessed what happens when a running laptop is dropped and the hard drive dies completely. I don't know about ya'll, but I want to protect my class notes, briefs, etc.



backup...often

Good idea. ;) In fact, I have a mirrored (RAID) network attached storage device I use currently. Of course, there's still the downtime if you drop your laptop and have to have it fixed.

To be completely safe, you must do this:

1) Set up Oracle Database to store your school works.
2) Set up another Oracle Database in another part of the world as secondary server.
3) Set up 1 min log shipping and 10 minute reload between the two servers. (every 1 minute, your laptop will ship encrypted log file over to the secondary server located in Some Country, Pleanet Earth, and every 10 minute, this secondary server will update itself with new log files)
4) Set up automatic fail-over to the secondary server, such that when the first server gets destroyed, the 2nd one automatically picks up, and you can continue to work. 

This way, your files can be wiped out only if the Terrorists are able to locate all servers (in this case, 2 servers) and destroy them all. 


what if a meteor the size of the moon hits the earth?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on April 27, 2006, 04:58:18 PM

what if a meteor the size of the moon hits the earth?

I guess you won't be needing your LS notes if that happens.  Plus, if a meteor is the size of the moon, it won't be called a 'meteor'.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: shae on April 27, 2006, 04:59:56 PM
would it be an asteroid?  or a moon?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on April 27, 2006, 08:57:58 PM
I'm probably going to get one of these (fully loaded...$120k for law school, not gonna skimp on supplies):

Dell Latitude D620
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d620?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

Dell Latitude D820
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&cs=2236&l=en&s=eep)

I'd like to toss out the suggestion that it is worth getting a "business class" laptop. I want a laptop that is made well and will withstand daily use bouncing around in my bookbag. One essential feature I'm looking for is hard drive protection. I've personally witnessed what happens when a running laptop is dropped and the hard drive dies completely. I don't know about ya'll, but I want to protect my class notes, briefs, etc.



backup...often

Good idea. ;) In fact, I have a mirrored (RAID) network attached storage device I use currently. Of course, there's still the downtime if you drop your laptop and have to have it fixed.

To be completely safe, you must do this:

1) Set up Oracle Database to store your school works.
2) Set up another Oracle Database in another part of the world as secondary server.
3) Set up 1 min log shipping and 10 minute reload between the two servers. (every 1 minute, your laptop will ship encrypted log file over to the secondary server located in Some Country, Pleanet Earth, and every 10 minute, this secondary server will update itself with new log files)
4) Set up automatic fail-over to the secondary server, such that when the first server gets destroyed, the 2nd one automatically picks up, and you can continue to work. 

This way, your files can be wiped out only if the Terrorists are able to locate all servers (in this case, 2 servers) and destroy them all. 


Lol. I think I'll just stick with a USB or NAS backup drive. Ya gotta live on the edge sometimes! :P
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chvti on April 27, 2006, 11:39:14 PM
What about aerolite?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ivywhore on April 27, 2006, 11:41:44 PM
WAIST WATCHERS
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: norcaldude on April 27, 2006, 11:54:44 PM
To be completely safe, you must do this:

1) Set up Oracle Database to store your school works.
2) Set up another Oracle Database in another part of the world as secondary server.
3) Set up 1 min log shipping and 10 minute reload between the two servers. (every 1 minute, your laptop will ship encrypted log file over to the secondary server located in Some Country, Pleanet Earth, and every 10 minute, this secondary server will update itself with new log files)
4) Set up automatic fail-over to the secondary server, such that when the first server gets destroyed, the 2nd one automatically picks up, and you can continue to work. 

This way, your files can be wiped out only if the Terrorists are able to locate all servers (in this case, 2 servers) and destroy them all. 


 :D

Why Oracle?  Cheaper to use MySQL, also easier to interface that with Apache to set up the logging functions.   ;) 

USB no good, you can lose your data while taking notes Law2k.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on April 28, 2006, 12:16:38 AM
Lol. Well my whole original point was that I want a laptop with hard drive protection technology in case its dropped. Obviously, nightly backups at home are a good idea too. If the laptop should happen to fail during the day before I get home, losing one day wouldn't be the end of the world. But hey, (near) real-time backup to redundant, remote storage would be cool even if expensive and unnecessary.

Yeah, I'd go with MySQL over Oracle. I probably wouldn't use a database anyway. I'd use backup software to simply FTP modified files to a server someplace. Word docs wouldn't take long to upload.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ivywhore on April 28, 2006, 01:03:54 AM
tea
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: hoopster on April 28, 2006, 12:38:34 PM
Does someone want to recommend some good laptops for me?  I'd like something not too expensive but that will last me all three years.  Are there any good deals out there at the moment?  I'd prefer a 14'' screen but no larger than 15.4''.   I also want 1 GB of RAM and an M or Dual Core processor.  I'm open to any suggestions b/c I really have no clue what to get.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: p0six on April 28, 2006, 12:41:00 PM
macbook!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: shae on April 28, 2006, 12:51:02 PM
I have said it before, but I really like my Dell XPS M140; still light with the larger batter, 14.1 inch widescreen is a good size, great battery life, and I also got the 3 year accidental damage protection and 3 year warranty to make sure it lasts all 3 years of law school
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: onepoint on April 28, 2006, 01:23:28 PM
back to the keyboard/screen size comments...

i hate to sound like a fanboy, but the thinkpad keyboards are simply outstanding.  and yes, it is true, you'll probably be getting a little more familiar with your laptop than you'd like to.  make sure you get something you'll be happy with, or deal with a manufacturer with a reasonable return policy.

and a warranty which will last through law school (or at least year-to-year, depending on who you go with) is essential.  laptops seem to throw in the towel at the absolute worst of times, and i know classmates who have lost a full semester's worth of briefs, outline work, writing assignments, etc.  which brings me to my next point, back up often! ;)  seriously though, make sure that your laptop's hardware is covered.  and by the way, for what it's worth, i would be extremely cautious with the best buy/circuit city "warranties."  sure, they'll cover you.. but one of those forementioned classmates had to go laptop-less for 2 weeks while it was sent away for repair.  "we'll give you a new one if anything happens!" my ass, make sure you know what you're signing up for.

ok that's my "random fact dissemination" post of the day, please drive through! :)

edit: as a sidenote, i started this year with a mac g4 powerbook.  due to continued frustrations (and in my opinion, a lack of useful software, at least as far as law is concerned), i sold it and kicked over to the ibm x40 that i'm using now.  my laptop shipped with a poopsandwich of a hard drive, which soon died.  i went two days without my laptop and had a new one at no charge.  inconvenient?  yep... but nearly worth the $100 i paid to extend the warranty, right off the bat, without having to hassle with them about whether the drive was defective from the factory, or not.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on April 28, 2006, 01:26:02 PM
Right now, for those who care, I'm torn between the thin-and-light IBM, the ultralight IBM, and the upcoming X60 tablet. I'll probably end up with the tablet or the ultralight, though.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: onepoint on April 28, 2006, 01:29:31 PM
Right now, for those who care, I'm torn between the thin-and-light IBM, the ultralight IBM, and the upcoming X60 tablet. I'll probably end up with the tablet or the ultralight, though.

regardless, i can promise you'll love the keyboard! :)

the x41 tablet was brand new when i ordered my x40, and i decided to save the $600 difference and go with the x40.  i have definitely second-guessed that decision a few times, i think that a tablet could be very useful in law school (though none of my classmates have one).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on April 28, 2006, 02:15:20 PM
To be completely safe, you must do this:

1) Set up Oracle Database to store your school works.
2) Set up another Oracle Database in another part of the world as secondary server.
3) Set up 1 min log shipping and 10 minute reload between the two servers. (every 1 minute, your laptop will ship encrypted log file over to the secondary server located in Some Country, Pleanet Earth, and every 10 minute, this secondary server will update itself with new log files)
4) Set up automatic fail-over to the secondary server, such that when the first server gets destroyed, the 2nd one automatically picks up, and you can continue to work. 

This way, your files can be wiped out only if the Terrorists are able to locate all servers (in this case, 2 servers) and destroy them all. 


 :D

Why Oracle?  Cheaper to use MySQL, also easier to interface that with Apache to set up the logging functions.   ;) 

USB no good, you can lose your data while taking notes Law2k.

We never use unprofessional and cheap stuff like MySQL.  Microsoft SQL Server is really nice and easy to use, but since it runs on Windows Back-end, it is kind of unsafe.  DB2 and Oracle are the best choice for our law school work.  If you are going to back up financial data, best use Sybase.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 28, 2006, 02:24:33 PM
Right now, for those who care, I'm torn between the thin-and-light IBM, the ultralight IBM, and the upcoming X60 tablet. I'll probably end up with the tablet or the ultralight, though.

regardless, i can promise you'll love the keyboard! :)

the x41 tablet was brand new when i ordered my x40, and i decided to save the $600 difference and go with the x40.  i have definitely second-guessed that decision a few times, i think that a tablet could be very useful in law school (though none of my classmates have one).

I got flamed by Romulox in another thread for my "fanboyism." I do love my X41 tablet though.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on May 02, 2006, 12:54:12 PM
Can someone explain the difference btwn Pentium M and Dual Core processors to me?  Which one is better?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 02, 2006, 02:08:20 PM
Pentium M = Mobile processor with one core on one processor chip.

Duo = Mobile processor with two cores on one processor chip.

The two cores share input and output (to on chip memory and the computer's memory and HD).  It's the next best thing to having two processors for your computer.  It means that the computer can run two processor intensive tasks or one processor intensive task (making MP3s, virus scanning, etc) while you browse the internet or work on a document and the less intensive tasks won't suffer.  Once programmers begin to incorporate dual core or dual processor techniques into programming, it means that a program could utilize both cores at the same time (this would be really useful for Photoshop, 3D design, etc.).

The beauty of the dual core setup on a laptop is that when you don't need both cores one can shut down.  So you can have the power of a really fast single CPU while having the battery saving features of a mobile processor.

Most people probably don't need dual core but if you run processor intensive tasks you'll see immediate dividends.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on May 02, 2006, 08:11:09 PM
What kind of specs should I look for in a laptop?  I want it to last me all 3 years.  Do I need a warranty?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 03, 2006, 07:54:29 AM
u really dont need much for a laptop to last u 3 years...up until 2 weeks ago i was still using the laptop my brother gave me...the one he got from work i think about 6 years ago now and it woulda been perfectly fine if the power connection wasnt bad so as far as "specs" you really dont "need" much, the question really is, how much/what do u want to do with it?

as far as a warranty...when i bought my laptop, the way i thought about it was: laptop, $700...to make the 1 year warranty 3 years, $100..i didnt think that $100 for something that cost $700 is justifiable..if the laptop was $2000, then it's a whole different story, but not for a $700 machine...i dont really kno why i'm babbling on and on, since my point really is it's up to u to decide whether u think the $ u need to spend for the warranty is worth the thing u're trying to protect..

i disagree - it's more like is it worth the peace of mind you'll have knowing that you'll never have to worry about being without a working laptop during law school. most laptops, as far as i know, only have a lifespan of about 2 years. i had a ~$700 machine with a one year warranty that died after about a year and a half. at the worst possible time, of course.

it's always worth it to get the warranty. which would you prefer, an extra $100 to know your laptop is covered throughout law school, or save $100 and possibly have to spend another $700 when your laptop dies (right before exams) as soon as its warranty runs out? you'll actually save lots of money by investing in the warranty. chances are your laptop will need at least one or two things fixed in that period of time -- and you won't have to pay for them or worry about whether it's worth it to have to buy a whole new machine.

That is just for Dells.  They tend to die quickly.. IBM's are usually good for much longer than that.

I agree that $100 is still worth it for a $700 laptop.  While $100 is more value when regarding a $2000 laptop, $100 is still better than paying another $700.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: p0six on May 03, 2006, 08:03:09 AM
u really dont need much for a laptop to last u 3 years...up until 2 weeks ago i was still using the laptop my brother gave me...the one he got from work i think about 6 years ago now and it woulda been perfectly fine if the power connection wasnt bad so as far as "specs" you really dont "need" much, the question really is, how much/what do u want to do with it?

as far as a warranty...when i bought my laptop, the way i thought about it was: laptop, $700...to make the 1 year warranty 3 years, $100..i didnt think that $100 for something that cost $700 is justifiable..if the laptop was $2000, then it's a whole different story, but not for a $700 machine...i dont really kno why i'm babbling on and on, since my point really is it's up to u to decide whether u think the $ u need to spend for the warranty is worth the thing u're trying to protect..

i disagree - it's more like is it worth the peace of mind you'll have knowing that you'll never have to worry about being without a working laptop during law school. most laptops, as far as i know, only have a lifespan of about 2 years. i had a ~$700 machine with a one year warranty that died after about a year and a half. at the worst possible time, of course.

it's always worth it to get the warranty. which would you prefer, an extra $100 to know your laptop is covered throughout law school, or save $100 and possibly have to spend another $700 when your laptop dies (right before exams) as soon as its warranty runs out? you'll actually save lots of money by investing in the warranty. chances are your laptop will need at least one or two things fixed in that period of time -- and you won't have to pay for them or worry about whether it's worth it to have to buy a whole new machine.

That is just for Dells.  They tend to die quickly.. IBM's are usually good for much longer than that.

I agree that $100 is still worth it for a $700 laptop.  While $100 is more value when regarding a $2000 laptop, $100 is still better than paying another $700.

It really depends on what the terms of the $100 policy are.  For instance: I paid I think $150 for Applecare on my $900 laptop.  But I think that's a good deal because 1. it's for 2 years, but more importantly 2. it covers the screen.  A laptop warranty that doesn't cover the screen is NOT worth it.  I've already had to take my laptop in once for a battery supply issue (although that was covered under the standard warranty).  Let me reiteriate: if the screen is not covered, it's not worth it.  You're better just taking the manufacturer's warranty and crossing your fingers. IMO.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 03, 2006, 08:05:56 AM
u really dont need much for a laptop to last u 3 years...up until 2 weeks ago i was still using the laptop my brother gave me...the one he got from work i think about 6 years ago now and it woulda been perfectly fine if the power connection wasnt bad so as far as "specs" you really dont "need" much, the question really is, how much/what do u want to do with it?

as far as a warranty...when i bought my laptop, the way i thought about it was: laptop, $700...to make the 1 year warranty 3 years, $100..i didnt think that $100 for something that cost $700 is justifiable..if the laptop was $2000, then it's a whole different story, but not for a $700 machine...i dont really kno why i'm babbling on and on, since my point really is it's up to u to decide whether u think the $ u need to spend for the warranty is worth the thing u're trying to protect..

i disagree - it's more like is it worth the peace of mind you'll have knowing that you'll never have to worry about being without a working laptop during law school. most laptops, as far as i know, only have a lifespan of about 2 years. i had a ~$700 machine with a one year warranty that died after about a year and a half. at the worst possible time, of course.

it's always worth it to get the warranty. which would you prefer, an extra $100 to know your laptop is covered throughout law school, or save $100 and possibly have to spend another $700 when your laptop dies (right before exams) as soon as its warranty runs out? you'll actually save lots of money by investing in the warranty. chances are your laptop will need at least one or two things fixed in that period of time -- and you won't have to pay for them or worry about whether it's worth it to have to buy a whole new machine.

That is just for Dells.  They tend to die quickly.. IBM's are usually good for much longer than that.

I agree that $100 is still worth it for a $700 laptop.  While $100 is more value when regarding a $2000 laptop, $100 is still better than paying another $700.

It really depends on what the terms of the $100 policy are.  For instance: I paid I think $150 for Applecare on my $900 laptop.  But I think that's a good deal because 1. it's for 2 years, but more importantly 2. it covers the screen.  A laptop warranty that doesn't cover the screen is NOT worth it.  I've already had to take my laptop in once for a battery supply issue (although that was covered under the standard warranty).  Let me reiteriate: if the screen is not covered, it's not worth it.  You're better just taking the manufacturer's warranty and crossing your fingers. IMO.

Well having the screen covered is important, but not the end all and be all.  My buddies Dell died because the motherboard fried..  He had the warranty, new laptop in a week..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Pythagoras on May 03, 2006, 08:18:58 AM
Samesong, was it Columbia you were referring to earlier in the thread when you said there was a discount on Dells from your school?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on May 03, 2006, 09:09:12 AM
yes indeedy. http://www.columbia.edu/acis/sales/

i'm going to see if i can't get a comparable discount from ibm (someone said they offer decent student discounts), once i know how much the dell discount is. (i tried to find out from the above website but it looks like you need a columbia id first.)

The Dell discount is 12-29% depending on what you purchase.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Karl Pilkington on May 03, 2006, 01:53:37 PM
Laptops are just about the only product I buy extended warrantys on, since they tend to break down and are very expensive to repair/replace. Every single person I know with a laptop has had at least one major problem with it (myself included), and those without warranties have really regretted it. If you can get lucky and avoid major problems, more power to you. Personally, the peace of mind that my laptop will still be alive and kicking when I graduate is worth an extra 100 bucks.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on May 03, 2006, 06:19:52 PM
I concur with the people that stated it's worth it to get the extended warranty for laptops, especially if it covers accidental damage. Generally, I don't go for extended warranties. Most electronics will either fail quickly or last a long time. (In my own limited experience.) Laptops, on the other hand, tend to be moved around a lot. A law student's laptop will live a much harder life than a desktop that spends its life sitting still in an air conditioned house. As was also mentioned, the warranty isn't just about protecting you against the cost of replacing the laptop but also assuring you that if something does happen you will have a replacement/repair in short order. What if your laptop dies the week before finals? You need it fixed NOW!

I've heard a lot of people bashing Dells lately. I've only owned Dell laptops so I can't directly compare them to other brands. I'll say up front, I'm not a fanboy and don't care what people get and I'm sure some other brands are great too. A friend of mine has a Gateway tablet pc that he's abused quite thoroughly during med school and it has held up well.

That being said, I've had a fair amount of experience with Dell laptops and haven't had any problems. I have owned a Dell Inspiron 6000 for going on a year and a half and it's fine. I work for a company that supplies all 6,000+ employees with Dell laptops and I haven't observed a high number of problems. A few people have had issues, but they're the kind of people that don't tend to take care of things in general. Also, as far as Dell goes there is a definite quality difference in the consumer line (Inspiron) and the business line (Latitude). Whether you go with Dell or not, I'd suggest getting a "business grade" laptop. Anyway, I wouldn't steer away from Dell simply because of quality concerns. Since I've used Dell a lot, I don't see any reason to switch--especially since the new brand could potentially be worse. If I were to switch brands, I'd go with IBM (great reputation overall, though no first hand knowledge) or Gateway.

Durability Video:
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&l=en&s=eep&cs=2231&eep_orig_cs=2231&link_number=24184416 (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/latit_d820?c=us&l=en&s=eep&cs=2231&eep_orig_cs=2231&link_number=24184416)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: legallydrunk on May 03, 2006, 06:35:40 PM
Get the warranty, I have seen 2 or 3 laptops dropped this past year by other 1Ls and your laptop becomes your life if you choose to use it during class.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: hoopster on May 03, 2006, 08:44:16 PM
Anyone want to recommend a laptop for me?  I'd like the following specs:  Pentium M or dual core processor, 1 GB RAM, 60 GB hard drive, 14'' screen, and a 3 yr warranty.  I'm not too picky on the other stuff.  I really don't wanna spend over $1200 and the cheaper the better.  Got any suggestions?  I really have no idea what to get.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: flydog on May 03, 2006, 09:05:12 PM
Dell just cut their prices on the dual core e1505 to $799 and introduced the dua core 1405 which starts at $749
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 04, 2006, 07:18:24 AM
tag
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: flydog on May 04, 2006, 12:49:03 PM
Dell is great as long as it doesnt break and you need to call India
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 04, 2006, 02:20:36 PM
Student discounts are nothing.. Do not buy a dell without a good deal.  They come at least twice a week.

Check daily:

www.passwird.com
www.fatwallet.com/c/18
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 04, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
Student discounts are nothing.. Do not buy a dell without a good deal.  They come at least twice a week.

Check daily:

www.passwird.com
www.fatwallet.com/c/18

seconded, except not necessarily twice a week (of course my definition of a "good deal" is a lot narrower than most)...under my definition, "good deals" at dell come quarterly  ;)

Definitly.. That is credited.  I was just referring to deals that were significantly better than the price you can get by going straight to dell.com

Yo sno, what do you think about this IBM I am considering:

Z60t 1.73 mhz
1 gb ram
80 gb HD
bluetooth
3 year warranty

1416$

It's down from 1900 retail...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 04, 2006, 06:45:10 PM
hmm...i'm not too familiar w/imbs since i dont usually shop in that price category  :D

but first of all, is that 1.73 core duo, core solo or pentim m (i'm assuming m, but wanna make sure)? and wat else is in there? where're u getting the retail price? i did a quick check on lenovo site and it looks like just the specs u listed can be had for 1599 (hence i dont kno wat else u may have on there)...

Yeah the IBM website is offering anniversary sales right now, thats why its at 1599.. I customized the next lower down model to make it 1416...

Its pretty much standard, but I like the build quality of IBM.. I want to be positive the system wont break, and pretty much only IBM can guarantee that.. It's got other small things like widescreen and fingerprint reader, but essentially you are paying for the build quality, which I dont mind..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 04, 2006, 08:14:02 PM
hahaha...yea, i dont doubt the build quality of lenovos..i'd pay for the better quality if i had the $$$ too  ;)...but if the 1599 isnt the regular price and 1999 really is the regular price, then u cant possibly be paying too much at $1416...i mean, i dont kno enuf about ibms to say it's a "good" deal, but i think at the very least i can say it aint a bad deal...the only question that remains is (and i'm assuming this is for law school this fall), what are  the chances a better deal comes along in the next 2-3 months...if u think slim to none, then pull the trigger (i would)  :)

I think I might.. Gonna sleep on it tonight, and I'll see how I feel tomorrow morning..Thanks for the advice...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: orlando jackson on May 04, 2006, 08:15:24 PM
Student discounts are nothing.. Do not buy a dell without a good deal.  They come at least twice a week.

Check daily:

www.passwird.com
www.fatwallet.com/c/18

seconded, except not necessarily twice a week (of course my definition of a "good deal" is a lot narrower than most)...under my definition, "good deals" at dell come quarterly  ;)

Definitly.. That is credited.  I was just referring to deals that were significantly better than the price you can get by going straight to dell.com

Yo sno, what do you think about this IBM I am considering:

Z60t 1.73 mhz
1 gb ram
80 gb HD
bluetooth
3 year warranty

1416$

It's down from 1900 retail...

you might want to check out the t series too.  I don't think that the z's are bad or anything (and that is a good deal especially with 1 gb of ram), it's just that the T's and X's have both been updated recently and the Z's have not.  i'm not sure if that matters to you at all, but you might want to look into what that means as far as differences between the systems. just thought you should know
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 04, 2006, 08:32:16 PM
Student discounts are nothing.. Do not buy a dell without a good deal.  They come at least twice a week.

Check daily:

www.passwird.com
www.fatwallet.com/c/18

seconded, except not necessarily twice a week (of course my definition of a "good deal" is a lot narrower than most)...under my definition, "good deals" at dell come quarterly  ;)

Definitly.. That is credited.  I was just referring to deals that were significantly better than the price you can get by going straight to dell.com

Yo sno, what do you think about this IBM I am considering:

Z60t 1.73 mhz
1 gb ram
80 gb HD
bluetooth
3 year warranty

1416$

It's down from 1900 retail...

you might want to check out the t series too.  I don't think that the z's are bad or anything (and that is a good deal especially with 1 gb of ram), it's just that the T's and X's have both been updated recently and the Z's have not.  i'm not sure if that matters to you at all, but you might want to look into what that means as far as differences between the systems. just thought you should know

I feel you.. To be honest the biggest reasons I'm considering the Z is the widescreen feature, the plus battery, and lastly, it is easily the nicest looking IBM.  And IBMS are plain as hell..:)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on May 05, 2006, 12:19:15 AM
Student discounts are nothing.. Do not buy a dell without a good deal.  They come at least twice a week.

Check daily:

www.passwird.com
www.fatwallet.com/c/18

Nice. See also:
www.dealnews.com (http://www.dealnews.com)
www.dealdetectives.com (http://www.dealdetectives.com)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 05, 2006, 07:46:18 AM
harvey, did u see this?

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/609106/

OOOOOO.. I just PM'd some people on the thread for the EPP login.. If I can get one of those, these deals are hotttt...;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 05, 2006, 07:59:59 AM
ohhhhhhhhh i'm going to register and try to get it...damn
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 05, 2006, 08:01:19 AM
I sent out 2 pm's for the EPP login, I'll be sure to post them if I get any responses.. These deals are hot as hell..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 05, 2006, 08:04:27 AM
i did too and I will too if i get responses  ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 05, 2006, 08:06:12 AM
i did too and I will too if i get responses  ;)

That's what I call teamwork!...

If I can get in on this Z60t deal I will be so happy.. The other deal was sick, this is sicker.. Might even buy some accessories if they are discounted also..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 05, 2006, 08:09:40 AM
 :D

hmm which one do i want...the cheapest one would require too many upgrades i think
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 05, 2006, 08:11:31 AM
I'm gonna try and price out what a 1.73 mhz one with 1 gb ram will come out to.. The other deal it was 1416 with a 3 year warranty..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StepUpT0theMike on May 05, 2006, 11:20:04 AM
tag
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 05, 2006, 02:18:29 PM
no response yet....sigh....
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Da5id on May 05, 2006, 02:29:30 PM
I'm not in the same boat as you guys, but I have been looking at buying a laptop and passing my current one down the family foodchain.

FWIW...

I'd pay attention to battery life, screen size, RAM, and weight. Nothing else should matter a whole lot other than the warranty/build quality.

Intel processors tend to be better for battery life these days than AMD. Don't buy a mac unless you love them or something. Overpriced.

Get a full gigabyte of RAM. It's worth it, and if you shop around carefully you can find laptops that are plenty cheap with a full gig. 512 will do fine for the basics, but don't even think about jumping one of those laptops with 256. Plenty of these cheap laptops have nice processors and lousy RAM, which is a stupid tradeoff.

The new Intel Core Duo's are nice. Two processors = better multitasking. Unless you plan to game, the slowest Core Duo is better for you than the fastest Pentium M.

http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=d620lo&s=bsd

That's the comp I have my eye on. $1185 with Core Duo, 14 inch screen, 1 GB of RAM, etc. Make sure to get the 6 cell battery (it's 4 cell by default. The upgrade to 6 cells is free. Makes the comp a touch heavier, but for more battery life it's worth the trade). It "starts at 4.4 lbs", so after getting the 6 cell etc. it's probably ~5 lbs. That ain't bad at all, given that you have a full sized screen.

The bang-for-the-buck upgrades would be to up the HD to 7200 RPM, and to increase the resolution of the screen (this is a laptop that should definitely be fine for 3 years if warrantied, so no reason not to spend the extra $50 on the screen).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 06, 2006, 11:25:56 AM
yes, i've PMd everyone
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on May 06, 2006, 01:10:03 PM
Can anyone PM me an EPP login?

Thanks!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 08, 2006, 12:12:01 AM
Student discounts are nothing.. Do not buy a dell without a good deal.  They come at least twice a week.

Check daily:

www.passwird.com
www.fatwallet.com/c/18


Am I understanding that I can buy a coupon online right now and get 35% off any dell over $999? Or am I missing something egregious?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: AZWildcat on May 08, 2006, 12:29:32 AM
Don't buy a mac unless you love them or something. Overpriced.

 ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Towlie on May 08, 2006, 12:34:45 AM
I am thinking about getting an Alienware. I hear they are pretty kick ass.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 08, 2006, 12:38:03 AM
Student discounts are nothing.. Do not buy a dell without a good deal.  They come at least twice a week.

Check daily:

www.passwird.com
www.fatwallet.com/c/18


Am I understanding that I can buy a coupon online right now and get 35% off any dell over $999? Or am I missing something egregious?

more or less...dell sends coupons out on occasion (actually, quite often) to certain people on their mailing lists, whether snail mail or email, it comes in both forms...i have no idea how to get on their mailing lists...i've been on it before, but that email account expired (school) and now i dont get it anymore even though my other email account was put on the mailing list in the exact same way and at about the same time...these coupons they send to select people arent generally available to everyone so people often sell their coupons they dont plan on using on ebay (or wherever)

is it worth buying one or should I try and find out how to get on the mailing lists?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 08, 2006, 07:24:23 AM
Sno is 100% right.. Gotta wait for the end of the quarter for the best deals.. Dell loves to beef up its earnings for the investors..

Just keep checking those sites, couple/few times a day, and if something crazy does come up, jump on it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Fidelio on May 08, 2006, 07:26:51 AM
Sno is 100% right.. Gotta wait for the end of the quarter for the best deals.. Dell loves to beef up its earnings for the investors..

Just keep checking those sites, couple/few times a day, and if something crazy does come up, jump on it.

Harvey,

Please don't forget to pass the good word and post the bargain like the last time you did on the that fabulous Dell deal.   ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 08, 2006, 07:28:33 AM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: cayberr on May 08, 2006, 09:32:41 AM
tag
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on May 08, 2006, 12:47:11 PM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D

I want a Dyson!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 08, 2006, 04:21:14 PM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D

I want a Dyson!

lol.. there was a really good dyson deal like 2 weeks ago, I'll let you know if one pops up again..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 08, 2006, 06:15:46 PM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D

Harvey, you are seriously like Mr. Electronics deals guru or something.  :D

lol.. I guess so.. In order to get the best deals on things you gotta always check the boards, so I wind up seeing a lot of stuff.. ;)

Duck you in the market for anything?  I'll keep my eye open ...;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 08, 2006, 06:20:22 PM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D

Harvey, you are seriously like Mr. Electronics deals guru or something.  :D

lol.. I guess so.. In order to get the best deals on things you gotta always check the boards, so I wind up seeing a lot of stuff.. ;)

Duck you in the market for anything?  I'll keep my eye open ...;)

lol, the laptop was the big thing. at the moment nothing else, but thanks. :) We will have to compare our laptops once we get them, but I am sure mine will PWN yours since it has better specs. :)

yeah sure, but when I run around jumping up and down with my ultra-light and compact laptop, your specs can kiss my ass!.. ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: orlando jackson on May 08, 2006, 06:22:57 PM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D

Harvey, you are seriously like Mr. Electronics deals guru or something.  :D

lol.. I guess so.. In order to get the best deals on things you gotta always check the boards, so I wind up seeing a lot of stuff.. ;)

Duck you in the market for anything?  I'll keep my eye open ...;)

lol, the laptop was the big thing. at the moment nothing else, but thanks. :) We will have to compare our laptops once we get them, but I am sure mine will PWN yours since it has better specs. :)

yeah sure, but when I run around jumping up and down with my ultra-light and compact laptop, your specs can kiss my ass!.. ;)

this is right.  lightness is most important.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on May 08, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
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Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on May 08, 2006, 07:21:36 PM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D

Harvey, you are seriously like Mr. Electronics deals guru or something.  :D

lol.. I guess so.. In order to get the best deals on things you gotta always check the boards, so I wind up seeing a lot of stuff.. ;)

Duck you in the market for anything?  I'll keep my eye open ...;)

lol, the laptop was the big thing. at the moment nothing else, but thanks. :) We will have to compare our laptops once we get them, but I am sure mine will PWN yours since it has better specs. :)

yeah sure, but when I run around jumping up and down with my ultra-light and compact laptop, your specs can kiss my ass!.. ;)

this is right.  lightness is most important.

I agree. I'm going for a Thinkpad X60 myself.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 08, 2006, 07:38:35 PM
No prob..Im always checking those sites, because they got a lot of good deals on things other than laptops too.  You never know when that vacuum you've always wanted goes on a huge sale ...  :D

Harvey, you are seriously like Mr. Electronics deals guru or something.  :D

lol.. I guess so.. In order to get the best deals on things you gotta always check the boards, so I wind up seeing a lot of stuff.. ;)

Duck you in the market for anything?  I'll keep my eye open ...;)

lol, the laptop was the big thing. at the moment nothing else, but thanks. :) We will have to compare our laptops once we get them, but I am sure mine will PWN yours since it has better specs. :)

yeah sure, but when I run around jumping up and down with my ultra-light and compact laptop, your specs can kiss my ass!.. ;)

this is right.  lightness is most important.

I agree. I'm going for a Thinkpad X60 myself.

Why would a few pounds matter when you have a backpack case?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 08, 2006, 09:00:31 PM
I am thinking about getting an Alienware. I hear they are pretty kick ass.

I hope you were being sarcastic.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 09, 2006, 08:49:34 AM
Dell (http://dealnews.com/deals/Loaded-Dell-Inspiron-E1705-Core-Duo-2-GHz-17-Widescreen-Notebook-for-1-172-shipped/118423.html?redir=1&ref=alert_bottom_2)

Is that the type of deal we're looking for?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 09, 2006, 08:55:19 AM
Dell (http://dealnews.com/deals/Loaded-Dell-Inspiron-E1705-Core-Duo-2-GHz-17-Widescreen-Notebook-for-1-172-shipped/118423.html?redir=1&ref=alert_bottom_2)

Is that the type of deal we're looking for?

Thats a pretty good deal on a high end Dell.. That model I don't think gets discounted often, so if you're looking for that specific one, you should probably jump on it..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 09, 2006, 09:07:51 AM
btw i never did receive a return PM...I suppose it is because i just registered that day and had no posts...they are probably suspicious  :-\
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 09, 2006, 09:14:49 AM
Dell (http://dealnews.com/deals/Loaded-Dell-Inspiron-E1705-Core-Duo-2-GHz-17-Widescreen-Notebook-for-1-172-shipped/118423.html?redir=1&ref=alert_bottom_2)

Is that the type of deal we're looking for?

Thats a pretty good deal on a high end Dell.. That model I don't think gets discounted often, so if you're looking for that specific one, you should probably jump on it..

It's pretty much what I want, but I would prefer the 15' - just wait then?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 09, 2006, 10:31:09 AM
Dell (http://dealnews.com/deals/Loaded-Dell-Inspiron-E1705-Core-Duo-2-GHz-17-Widescreen-Notebook-for-1-172-shipped/118423.html?redir=1&ref=alert_bottom_2)

Is that the type of deal we're looking for?

Thats a pretty good deal on a high end Dell.. That model I don't think gets discounted often, so if you're looking for that specific one, you should probably jump on it..

It's pretty much what I want, but I would prefer the 15' - just wait then?

Well if you want the 15, definitly wait.. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: akattorney on May 09, 2006, 11:51:21 AM
What to people think about the macbook pro or the ibook?

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: p0six on May 09, 2006, 02:32:51 PM
What to people think about the macbook pro or the ibook?



If you're going to get an ibook, I'd hold off for a couple of weeks.  Rumor is that they're going to release an update to the ibook (call it Macbook non-pro) by the end of the month.  13.3" and roughly the same price point.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 09, 2006, 02:32:55 PM
Well if anyone is intrested the $850 discount from dell applies to the 15 inch wides too. You just have to load up on your extra specs till it goes over $2000. Pretty sweet little machine for $1,200.00 which includes the 4 year plan.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chvti on May 10, 2006, 07:02:20 AM
Dell (http://dealnews.com/deals/Loaded-Dell-Inspiron-E1705-Core-Duo-2-GHz-17-Widescreen-Notebook-for-1-172-shipped/118423.html?redir=1&ref=alert_bottom_2)

Is that the type of deal we're looking for?

The $750 off coupone won't stack with the 20% off discount! Help!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 10, 2006, 09:16:20 AM
Dell E1405  (http://dealnews.com/deals/New-14-Dell-Inspiron-E1405-Dual-Core-1-66-GHz-Widescreen-Notebook-for-699-shipped/118574.html?redir=1&ref=alert_bottom_2) $699+tax shipped
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 10, 2006, 09:25:06 AM
wow...maybe i'll go for that one....
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 10, 2006, 09:26:20 AM
yeah I'm thinking about it, but some of the things I want to add make it also as much as the 17' but with poorer specs... If nothing else I want the ultra sharp screens and maybe a larger HD.  :-\


Also someone was talking about Macs. I found this a while ago and a friend of mine is doing it now. Seems like a pretty smooth thing:   
MacBooks (http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?catid=18&threadid=574076&highlight_key=y&keyword1=Macbook)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 10, 2006, 09:28:35 AM
ugh i have no idea...just get a cheaper dell or a sweet thinkpad.  i guess i need to think about this seriously...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 10, 2006, 09:46:47 AM
i really do want the thinkpad  :) my experiences with Dells at work has not been all that favorable. 

going to check out your new poll...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 10, 2006, 12:05:44 PM
 :D should i buy one?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 10, 2006, 12:08:22 PM
hmmmm
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 10, 2006, 12:29:42 PM
ah yes i'd agree there.....thanks for the info and link!   :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 10, 2006, 01:09:17 PM
**drool** that and (a huge plus for me) they are one of the safest cars you can buy right now....in addition to being gorgeous. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 10, 2006, 02:08:56 PM
i really do want the thinkpad  :) my experiences with Dells at work has not been all that favorable. 

going to check out your new poll...

x60...that's what I want.

I'm still waiting for my Z60M to get here...

Z60T!   :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: orlando jackson on May 10, 2006, 11:28:30 PM
this post was written from my new x60.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 10, 2006, 11:30:42 PM
this post was written from my new x60.

Congrats! What do you think of it so far?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: orlando jackson on May 10, 2006, 11:48:01 PM
this post was written from my new x60.

Congrats! What do you think of it so far?

I've actually had it for about a week already and I can't think of anything I would change about it.  The battery really does last for around 8 hours.  It weighs next to nothing.  IBM actually provides a lot of useful features that i didn't even know to want.  there's a cool hard drive protection utility, a rescue and recovery system, a lot of security features, and a lot of other stuff in their "thinkvantage" utility that makes owning and customizing the computer easier.  it goes in and out of standby very quickly, which i expect to be useful in getting in and out of class without waiting forever for it to shutdown.  it feels sturdy.

i guess the concerns that most people have about an ultraportable would be screen size and keyboard size.  Neither are issues, for me at least.  The keyboard is perfect and actually feels nicer than my old, bigger dell.  I've tested myself on a touch typing program, and i'm no slower or less accurate than on my desktop.  also, screen size is fine.  I actually feel sometimes like I could have gone even smaller. 

i guess everyone is biased towards their own situation, so i'll just say that i'm happy with my purchase and that i think it was a good decision for me.  if ou have any questons i'd be happy to answer them.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 11, 2006, 12:12:25 AM
Nice. Did you custamize it or go with a base model?

How much RAM do you have?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 11, 2006, 07:31:20 AM
this post was written from my new x60.

Congrats! What do you think of it so far?

I've actually had it for about a week already and I can't think of anything I would change about it.  The battery really does last for around 8 hours.  It weighs next to nothing.  IBM actually provides a lot of useful features that i didn't even know to want.  there's a cool hard drive protection utility, a rescue and recovery system, a lot of security features, and a lot of other stuff in their "thinkvantage" utility that makes owning and customizing the computer easier.  it goes in and out of standby very quickly, which i expect to be useful in getting in and out of class without waiting forever for it to shutdown.  it feels sturdy.

i guess the concerns that most people have about an ultraportable would be screen size and keyboard size.  Neither are issues, for me at least.  The keyboard is perfect and actually feels nicer than my old, bigger dell.  I've tested myself on a touch typing program, and i'm no slower or less accurate than on my desktop.  also, screen size is fine.  I actually feel sometimes like I could have gone even smaller. 

i guess everyone is biased towards their own situation, so i'll just say that i'm happy with my purchase and that i think it was a good decision for me.  if ou have any questons i'd be happy to answer them.

Orlando,

How are the bootup times? With my X41 tablet I had to wait nearly 3 minutes during a cold boot before I got rid of a few things (like IBM Access Connections). Right now I am at about 90 secs but there are days where I wish it were much quicker.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SplitFinger on May 11, 2006, 08:03:59 PM
My T60 ThinkPad was delivered today, just 12 days after I ordered it (the web site said it would take 3-6 weeks before it shipped).  :)  :)  :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 11, 2006, 08:48:29 PM
My T60 ThinkPad was delivered today, just 12 days after I ordered it (the web site said it would take 3-6 weeks before it shipped).  :)  :)  :)


what do you think of it? I'm gonna need to decide before monday  :-\
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SplitFinger on May 11, 2006, 09:04:48 PM
I think I wish I had gotten it shipped straight to my house - I was worried that if it actually took the six weeks they told me it would, it might have arrived here just after we'd moved out of here.  So I had it sent to my in-laws', and I'll be getting it from them next weekend.  Sorry!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on May 11, 2006, 09:40:23 PM
Dell E1405  (http://dealnews.com/deals/New-14-Dell-Inspiron-E1405-Dual-Core-1-66-GHz-Widescreen-Notebook-for-699-shipped/118574.html?redir=1&ref=alert_bottom_2) $699+tax shipped

Ordered that one already, I figured it was a good size, and those are some real good specs too.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 11, 2006, 10:08:56 PM
I'm torn between the T60 and X60. The T60, fully decked out, is 100 percent Vista ready. I'm not sure why I care, but I do.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 11, 2006, 11:12:34 PM
Why the T60? Monitor size?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on May 12, 2006, 06:29:14 AM
looks like new z61m, z61t, and r60 should be coming out soon, if not next week.  no wonder they have the anniversary sale going on now... i'm so torn on what to do. 

FYI:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=1310541
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on May 12, 2006, 06:43:30 AM
looks like new z61m, z61t, and r60 should be coming out soon, if not next week.  no wonder they have the anniversary sale going on now... i'm so torn on what to do. 

It's kind of hard to have an anniversary sale any other time, since this is the one year mark since Lenovo's takeover of IBM's laptops and all.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on May 12, 2006, 06:48:04 AM
looks like new z61m, z61t, and r60 should be coming out soon, if not next week.  no wonder they have the anniversary sale going on now... i'm so torn on what to do. 

It's kind of hard to have an anniversary sale any other time, since this is the one year mark since Lenovo's takeover of IBM's laptops and all.

i know... but it probably isn't coincidental that some of the deals go off next monday, the 15th, which is the day before speculated release of new thinkpads.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 12, 2006, 06:54:27 AM
me too i wouldn't be able to get a new model at those prices.  i'll be happy with a z60t. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on May 12, 2006, 06:54:44 AM
This is true. But I am still happy to take advantage of the awesome sale.

true, the sale is very sweet, and i'm still very tempted.  i have been thinking about this for the past two weeks, and i'm still unsure about what to do.   :-\ 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Karl Pilkington on May 12, 2006, 08:22:19 AM
I got my T60 last week. It also was delivered well ahead of schedule - it only took a couple of weeks, and they estimated 3-6.

I'm very pleased with it so far. IBM/Lenovo's build quality lives up to its reputation, and the laptop is much sturdier than my old Dell Inspiron. I also got the Ultrabay battery, and combined with the 6-Cell it has pretty good battery life and doesn't change the form factor (unlike the 9-cell, which sticks out the back). I'm not planning on using it too much until school starts to minimize wear and tear. I would have bought it in July, but I got a great EPP deal that I couldn't pass up.

Overall, I think the T60 will be the right fit for me. Big enough screen to see clearly, trackpad (which I prefer to the trackpoint, and the X60 doesn't have), DVD burner, and good battery life. It's also the thinnest laptop I've ever used, and feels like a tank. I highly recommend it.

SPECS:
T60
14.1" Screen
1.83Ghz Core Duo
ATI X1300 Video card
80GB Hard Drive
1GB Ram
DVD Burner
6-Cell + Ultrabay Battery
Total came to a little more than $1400 with EPP discount.

I also got the Waterfield Sleeve to put in my messenger bag: http://www.sfbags.com/products/sleevecases/sleevecases.htm

A little expensive, but you cant' beat the quality.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 12, 2006, 08:33:58 AM
Nice laptop, Karl. Where does the ultrabay battery go?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 12, 2006, 08:46:26 AM
i just bought a z60t....yay. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 12, 2006, 08:52:15 AM
hmmmm a titanium one  :D  no um it has 1 GIG RAM, 80GIG HD, 1.73GHZ...yea i don't remember the rest but i had priced a T-something with core duo and it was only a bit more but i wanted the widescreen of the z series. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 12, 2006, 08:59:35 AM
hmmmm a titanium one  :D  no um it has 1 GIG RAM, 80GIG HD, 1.73GHZ...yea i don't remember the rest but i had priced a T-something with core duo and it was only a bit more but i wanted the widescreen of the z series. 

We're now computer twins! ;D
nice!  ;D

i can't wait to get the widescreen....my home laptop is a 12 inch powerbook and it is far too small for anything but web surfing...gives me headaches sometimes. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Karl Pilkington on May 12, 2006, 09:40:21 AM
Nice laptop, Karl. Where does the ultrabay battery go?


You swap it out for the optical drive. Since I won't be using the optical drive most of the time while I'm at school, I'll be leaving it at home for occasional backups, installations, and movies during plane flights.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: patrickpkt on May 12, 2006, 09:42:13 AM
I saw a few people in here mention Dell's D620.  My employer just picked one up for me, and so far I'm very impressed with it.  It's very sturdy, the keyboard's nice, and the battery life seems to be very good so far.  I opted for the 6 cell battery plus a "media bay" battery that can replace the DVD drive.  Having owned Inspirons before, this one is built significantly better.  Even the windows install is nicer -- there's absolutely none of the clutter that comes with the consumer lines, like AOL, MSN, etc.

As for warranties, I'd cheaped out on my last laptop.  It lasted about 2.5 years, but that was after I spent about $200 to keep it going.  The hard drive flaked out, a fan started going bad, and I replaced the keyboard.  Given that, it seems like the warranty would've been worth the extra up-front cost, and I'll definitely be getting one for my fiance's lawschool laptop
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on May 12, 2006, 10:23:02 AM
What size screen is everyone getting?  I kind of want the 15.4'', but I'm wondering if it'll be too heavy so I may get the 14''.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Karl Pilkington on May 12, 2006, 10:46:43 AM
Wow man that's a great deal.  I configured one with a 2.0 GHz, 1.5 GB of RAM, 100GB HD, X1400, and 9 cell battery for just over $2,000 with this anniversary sale pricing.  $600 more for minor step ups...

How did you get the EPP discount?  Did you actually know someone or did you just get on a forum and ask for logons?  Oh and what warranty did you get on it for that price?

I know someone at IBM. I got the 3 year next day onsite warranty.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 12, 2006, 11:05:37 AM
It's funny.. I am happy with the z60t that I got, but I definitly would like that duo core.. Not worth all that extra money though, so I dont think I'll cancel my order...  Anyone know if they upgraded the screen on the new z60t?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 12, 2006, 11:51:19 AM
It's funny.. I am happy with the z60t that I got, but I definitly would like that duo core.. Not worth all that extra money though, so I dont think I'll cancel my order...  Anyone know if they upgraded the screen on the new z60t?
i had the same thought.  no idea about the screen but i think i'm going to be v happy with the z60t.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: unknown on May 12, 2006, 11:54:06 AM
I *was* going to get an X series tablet, but now I'm thinking the X60 instead.  I like the tablet idea but I think I like $500 less even more.  :P
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Tiwaz on May 13, 2006, 08:38:25 AM
These days I'm leaning toward a Dell Latitude D620.  With my school's EPP program, I can get a three year warranty and the specs I want for about $1500.  Now, I know there are lots of Dell coupons out there-- even some that work with the EPP program-- but I haven't seen anything for the Latitude line.  Do these things ever go on sale?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: catalyst81 on May 13, 2006, 09:16:06 PM
These days I'm leaning toward a Dell Latitude D620.  With my school's EPP program, I can get a three year warranty and the specs I want for about $1500.  Now, I know there are lots of Dell coupons out there-- even some that work with the EPP program-- but I haven't seen anything for the Latitude line.  Do these things ever go on sale?

I hope they do sometime soon.  I'm looking at the D820.  :)

Quick question...could someone explain the main differences between XP professional and Home Edition to me and a recommendation of which I should get? (been a Mac user my whole life)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on May 13, 2006, 10:37:58 PM
These days I'm leaning toward a Dell Latitude D620.  With my school's EPP program, I can get a three year warranty and the specs I want for about $1500.  Now, I know there are lots of Dell coupons out there-- even some that work with the EPP program-- but I haven't seen anything for the Latitude line.  Do these things ever go on sale?

I hope they do sometime soon.  I'm looking at the D820.  :)

Quick question...could someone explain the main differences between XP professional and Home Edition to me and a recommendation of which I should get (been a Mac user my whole life) ?

Get regular, it's almost for sure not worth the extra money for what you're going to.  Seems like it's been getting cheaper, but as a student I doubt you'll even notice the difference at all...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 13, 2006, 11:08:00 PM
Near as I can tell there is zero difference. Pro may be slightly more stable when gaming on the net and surfing the web (any time there is heavy net traffic) but it isn't worth the extra $$ unless you just want it.

That said I have pro on all of my comps and have only used home on a few laptops.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: catalyst81 on May 13, 2006, 11:28:32 PM
I won't be doing much gaming so I'm thinking the home version will work just fine.  The extra security would be nice but if its not really worth the money then forget it.

Well another question now for those of you familiar with Dells.  I'm looking at the Inspiron E1501 and the Latitude D820.  Are there any significant reasons why you would choose one over the other?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 14, 2006, 12:05:30 AM
I would say that for our purposes go which ever is cheaper. Latitude, I think, is supposed to be the more flexible within a business sense. Based on what I am reading a Latitude’s hardware is easily upgraded while Inspiron focuses on newer technology at a lower price and is not as easy to upgrade.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on May 14, 2006, 12:12:03 AM
I won't be doing much gaming so I'm thinking the home version will work just fine.  The extra security would be nice but if its not really worth the money then forget it.

Well another question now for those of you familiar with Dells.  I'm looking at the Inspiron E1501 and the Latitude D820.  Are there any significant reasons why you would choose one over the other?

I personally got the E1405 because it was cheaper, I don't think I'll do any upgrading at all since the specs were way overkill for just basic browsing and note-typing.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SplitFinger on May 14, 2006, 11:48:37 AM
Every school I've looked at requires XP Pro, for the reasons given above.  Check what your school(s) require, but I'd bet money they'll tell you that you need Pro.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on May 14, 2006, 02:36:56 PM
These days I'm leaning toward a Dell Latitude D620.  With my school's EPP program, I can get a three year warranty and the specs I want for about $1500.  Now, I know there are lots of Dell coupons out there-- even some that work with the EPP program-- but I haven't seen anything for the Latitude line.  Do these things ever go on sale?

I hope they do sometime soon.  I'm looking at the D820.  :)

Quick question...could someone explain the main differences between XP professional and Home Edition to me and a recommendation of which I should get? (been a Mac user my whole life)

The most relevant differences between Home and Pro:
1) Netowrking: Home limits the number of network connections to five at any given time while Pro does not.
2) Security: Pro requires a password to login while Home does not.

Many law schools would require pro as you'll need to be on the network and you may have to log into a domain.  This would require Pro.  I would get pro every time.

Most schools require Pro??  Damn I didn't know this, I may be screwed, they didn't even offer Pro as one of the options.  I'm gonna have to call my school and find out, thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 14, 2006, 06:23:16 PM

Most schools require Pro??  Damn I didn't know this, I may be screwed, they didn't even offer Pro as one of the options.  I'm gonna have to call my school and find out, thanks for the heads up.

A lot of schools will have a student deal with Microsoft that will allow you to purchase Pro and MS Office for around $5-$15 each. Check and see if your Undergrad has the option or if your law school does. I know all of the state schools in Texas have the deal along with some of the community colleges.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on May 14, 2006, 08:21:59 PM

Most schools require Pro??  Damn I didn't know this, I may be screwed, they didn't even offer Pro as one of the options.  I'm gonna have to call my school and find out, thanks for the heads up.

A lot of schools will have a student deal with Microsoft that will allow you to purchase Pro and MS Office for around $5-$15 each. Check and see if your Undergrad has the option or if your law school does. I know all of the state schools in Texas have the deal along with some of the community colleges.

It's more like $20, but I still wish I knew about it when I ordered the laptop.  I'll call my school and figure it out though.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SantiV on May 15, 2006, 08:44:55 AM
question everyone.  I'm planning on getting the X60 with EPP discount.  Is it all right if I have it mailed to a friend's house to avoid taxes (he lives in New Hampshire).  Thanks for the help. Can't wait to get it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on May 15, 2006, 10:04:49 AM
so... i just got a dell 710m as a graduation gift. i was not expecting such a huge (but small!) gift. it's very pretty, and although i was thinking of going with 14" instead of 12" screen, this one seems like it will still be comfortable to use, and very very portable. i haven't turned it on or set it up yet (too much of a distraction -- i need to pack!).

awesome!!!!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on May 15, 2006, 10:14:20 AM
duck, how come i don't get to be in your lsd collage? don't we have a picture or two from that minifest? or am i just not cool enough :(

I don't have any pictures of you :( dorian took them with his camera and he didn't send me any or post any! I will be happy to put you in the collage if you or dorian provide a pic. :) You are def. cool enough!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on May 15, 2006, 10:32:43 AM
ohh, sorry i didn't realize they were on dorian's camera.

you have mail :)

thanks, i added u in. can you find yourself? :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on May 15, 2006, 10:36:39 AM
ohh, sorry i didn't realize they were on dorian's camera.

you have mail :)

thanks, i added u in. can you find yourself? :)

hahaha. yup! i'm famous!!

yes, you are. even more famous than your tar!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: unknown on May 15, 2006, 03:28:00 PM
question everyone.  I'm planning on getting the X60 with EPP discount.  Is it all right if I have it mailed to a friend's house to avoid taxes (he lives in New Hampshire).  Thanks for the help. Can't wait to get it.

Anyone know if this will mess up warranty repair work at all if ordering directly from Lenovo (i.e. they think the address of the user is different)?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SantiV on May 15, 2006, 04:06:48 PM
question everyone.  I'm planning on getting the X60 with EPP discount.  Is it all right if I have it mailed to a friend's house to avoid taxes (he lives in New Hampshire).  Thanks for the help. Can't wait to get it.

I wish I had a friend in NH, I am here in Mass but had to pay salestax when I ordered my Z60M online the other day. I don't think you will have a problem shipping it elsewhere.

Thanks for the info Duck.  I'll probably end up doing that, I'll save myself some good money.  By the way, I'm from Boston and not on the collage either.  I feel insulted  ;D j/k. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SantiV on May 15, 2006, 04:59:35 PM
I'll come as long as I don't have to make cookies.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 15, 2006, 10:17:03 PM
question everyone.  I'm planning on getting the X60 with EPP discount.  Is it all right if I have it mailed to a friend's house to avoid taxes (he lives in New Hampshire).  Thanks for the help. Can't wait to get it.

I wish I had a friend in NH, I am here in Mass but had to pay salestax when I ordered my Z60M online the other day. I don't think you will have a problem shipping it elsewhere.

Thanks for the info Duck.  I'll probably end up doing that, I'll save myself some good money.  By the way, I'm from Boston and not on the collage either.  I feel insulted  ;D j/k. 

Yeah that kind of sucked when I ordered mine from IBM.. How stupid of them to operate in so many states.. I bet it hurts their business.. Sh!t, I almost decided to cancel cause of it..;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 06:18:00 AM
isnt the tax like 80 bucks? jesus just pay it....probably cost you that much in gas to drive to pick it up. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: trogdor on May 16, 2006, 08:32:10 AM
new ThinkPad Z61m, Z61t, Z61e, and R60:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=54014?www.dailytech.com
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law-Man on May 16, 2006, 08:39:00 AM
Anyone get a laptop for under $1000?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SantiV on May 16, 2006, 09:06:34 AM
isnt the tax like 80 bucks? jesus just pay it....probably cost you that much in gas to drive to pick it up. 

Well my home is actually rhode island, paying 7% tax on an 1800 dollar computer would be about $125.  My friend goes up to his house just about every weekend and he'll bring it to me, why not save the money and buy some extra accessories or extended warranty? I don't see why I wouldn't take advantage of that. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 09:11:40 AM
Yep - you look like you are from Providence or Johnson  :D

not a big deal...just seemed like an awful lot of trouble...my thinkpad was much cheaper so it was $80. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law-Man on May 16, 2006, 09:15:09 AM
So no Laptops for under $1000? :(
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SantiV on May 16, 2006, 09:21:31 AM
So no Laptops for under $1000? :(

Hey man, there are some pretty decent deals out there for laptops under a thousand.  However, law school itself is pretty expensive, but adding on a few extra hundred bucks to get a better laptop is extremely worth it.  Make sure you get something that will be technologically able to last you 3 years, and which will be effective and efficient.  At first it won't seem so bad, but once you start cramming it with programs, documents, and spyware, you'll notice how slow your system can get, and you'll start regretting your purchase.  I know sometimes it's hard to get the money out, and I'm by no means from a family of money, but in my opinion it's one of the most important purchases you'll make in the next few years.

Yep - you look like you are from Providence or Johnson  :D

not a big deal...just seemed like an awful lot of trouble...my thinkpad was much cheaper so it was $80. 

What's the Johnston/Prov comment supposed to mean.  The only stereotype about Johnston people that I know of is that they are mostly Italians.  I'm from neither of those cities, close though.  You from RI?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 09:25:35 AM
Yes, by that avatar you look like a Johnston guy.  North Providence maybe Cranston.  ;)

yes...born and raised. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 09:29:49 AM
you were BORN an odd poster.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 09:36:50 AM
 ;) :D

you're welcome
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 09:54:51 AM
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Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on May 16, 2006, 10:08:12 AM
www.apple.com

Macbooks came out today.

They start at $1049 with the education discount (with a 1.66 GHz Core Duo chip!!).  That's an awesome deal.  MacBook Pro's got a speed bump too.

Just saw them... I'm in loooooooove XOXOXOXOXOXO
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Spanish Teacher on May 16, 2006, 10:19:14 AM
The new MacBooks come standard with glossy screens (it's an option on MBP's).  Is that a good or a bad thing?  Wouldn't the glare on a glossy screen really suck? 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law-Man on May 16, 2006, 10:31:03 AM
So no Laptops for under $1000? :(

Hey man, there are some pretty decent deals out there for laptops under a thousand.  However, law school itself is pretty expensive, but adding on a few extra hundred bucks to get a better laptop is extremely worth it.  Make sure you get something that will be technologically able to last you 3 years, and which will be effective and efficient.  At first it won't seem so bad, but once you start cramming it with programs, documents, and spyware, you'll notice how slow your system can get, and you'll start regretting your purchase.  I know sometimes it's hard to get the money out, and I'm by no means from a family of money, but in my opinion it's one of the most important purchases you'll make in the next few years.


So if I want to get a Laptop that is cheap but still meets the rigirous requirments of this board what are my choices and how much is it going to cost?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 16, 2006, 10:32:57 AM
New laptop deal people!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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8x CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW)

Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini Card (54Mbps)

Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950

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Total: $849 - $200 instant savings - $35 eBay coupon = $614
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 16, 2006, 10:43:14 AM
harvey, did you see a page or so back how the new Z61 series is out now?

I saw awhile back people said it was coming out soon.. Didn't see that it is out.. How is it?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 10:49:43 AM
i cant wait to get my laptop...ships friday...woo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 16, 2006, 10:55:59 AM
You're right duck, it does look really nice..

The Z61t is much the same as its predecessor, the Z60t, but now offers a higher resolution screen, built-in .3 MP web camera and 3-in-1 media card reader..

I would love the higher resolution screen, but everything else I dont care much about.. Bah, it's funny though how they release these right after we get ours.. Still don't know if I would jump, but funny all the same..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 16, 2006, 10:59:16 AM
Anyone get a laptop for under $1000?


Laptops under $1000 (I think Harvey posted it earlier)
http://dealnews.com/categories/Computer/PC-Systems/PC-Notebooks/49.html
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 16, 2006, 11:04:51 AM
i cant wait to get my laptop...ships friday...woo

What did you end up getting? I have lost rack of people vs laptops on this thread.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 16, 2006, 11:08:50 AM
i cant wait to get my laptop...ships friday...woo

What did you end up getting? I have lost rack of people vs laptops on this thread.

Oingo

z60t....
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 16, 2006, 11:34:35 AM
www.apple.com

Macbooks came out today.

They start at $1049 with the education discount (with a 1.66 GHz Core Duo chip!!).  That's an awesome deal.  MacBook Pro's got a speed bump too.

I was hoping they'd be more like a smaller version of the Macbook Pro...they're a little disappointing.  I guess I'll get the X60s; I tried it out in an IBM store in China and it's great - responsive, small, light, and built like a brick shithouse.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: unknown on May 16, 2006, 11:45:57 AM
Oingo,
Do you have the hard drive clicking problems with your X41 tablet?  If so, how loud is it?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Karl Pilkington on May 16, 2006, 01:31:42 PM
isnt the tax like 80 bucks? jesus just pay it....probably cost you that much in gas to drive to pick it up. 

Well my home is actually rhode island, paying 7% tax on an 1800 dollar computer would be about $125.  My friend goes up to his house just about every weekend and he'll bring it to me, why not save the money and buy some extra accessories or extended warranty? I don't see why I wouldn't take advantage of that. 

Doesn't RI have a Consumer's Use Tax? If it's anything like the Consumer's Use Tax in other states, you're still legally obligated to pay the 7% - you'll just do it next April. Sure, you can probably get away with not reporting it, but is tax evasion really the way you want to start your law career?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SantiV on May 16, 2006, 01:42:57 PM
isnt the tax like 80 bucks? jesus just pay it....probably cost you that much in gas to drive to pick it up. 

Well my home is actually rhode island, paying 7% tax on an 1800 dollar computer would be about $125.  My friend goes up to his house just about every weekend and he'll bring it to me, why not save the money and buy some extra accessories or extended warranty? I don't see why I wouldn't take advantage of that. 

Doesn't RI have a Consumer's Use Tax? If it's anything like the Consumer's Use Tax in other states, you're still legally obligated to pay the 7% - you'll just do it next April. Sure, you can probably get away with not reporting it, but is tax evasion really the way you want to start your law career?

Hey, I'm not very certain about this. How sure are you? Sure I wouldn't want to start off like this, but they way I look at it, it'd really be my friend buying the laptop under his name (he lives in NH), and then just giving it to me.  However, I don't want to screw myself over a 100+ dollars.  I don't even do my own taxes, I'm 21 and my a friend of the family just takes care of everything so that's not really my strong point.  I'll look into further, or if you're pretty certain about this let me know. Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Karl Pilkington on May 16, 2006, 01:54:09 PM
isnt the tax like 80 bucks? jesus just pay it....probably cost you that much in gas to drive to pick it up. 

Well my home is actually rhode island, paying 7% tax on an 1800 dollar computer would be about $125.  My friend goes up to his house just about every weekend and he'll bring it to me, why not save the money and buy some extra accessories or extended warranty? I don't see why I wouldn't take advantage of that. 

Doesn't RI have a Consumer's Use Tax? If it's anything like the Consumer's Use Tax in other states, you're still legally obligated to pay the 7% - you'll just do it next April. Sure, you can probably get away with not reporting it, but is tax evasion really the way you want to start your law career?

Hey, I'm not very certain about this. How sure are you? Sure I wouldn't want to start off like this, but they way I look at it, it'd really be my friend buying the laptop under his name (he lives in NH), and then just giving it to me.  However, I don't want to screw myself over a 100+ dollars.  I don't even do my own taxes, I'm 21 and my a friend of the family just takes care of everything so that's not really my strong point.  I'll look into further, or if you're pretty certain about this let me know. Thanks a lot.

I'm not an expert, but I'm pretty sure that you are required to. Here's some more info: http://www.tax.state.ri.us/info/whats.pdf

The chances of you getting caught for not reporting it are very, very small. Still, if you want to live up to your legal obligations, you'll have to pay the tax eventually. Also, are you paying your friend for this laptop, or is he really just giving it to you? If you're giving him a "gift" of $1800 dollars and receiving a "gift" of a laptop at the same time, I don't think that counts.  ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 16, 2006, 01:56:57 PM
Oingo,
Do you have the hard drive clicking problems with your X41 tablet?  If so, how loud is it?

Yes, I do. We have a semi-quiet office here and I can notice the ticking over our HVAC system. Once there is a few people talking it is harder to lock into. It doesn't bother me although I realize that for some it can and does drive them crazy. I have a Dell 600m that I use for a work project that emits audible clicks and whirs too - doesn't bother me either.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on May 17, 2006, 08:32:58 AM
for thinkpads, does any know if the "advanced mini dock" has a moniter connection/port? i was looking atthe description and didnt see it mentioned but the regular mini dock does.

also for ppl who will be using a docking station are you finding good deals on flat screen moniters anywhere? the best i've found has been $200 for a 17 inch, for a dell.

one more thing, for those of you who have purchased thinkpads how's there customer service?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 17, 2006, 08:39:38 AM
for thinkpads, does any know if the "advanced mini dock" has a moniter connection/port? i was looking atthe description and didnt see it mentioned but the regular mini dock does.

also for ppl who will be using a docking station are you finding good deals on flat screen moniters anywhere? the best i've found has been $200 for a 17 inch, for a dell.

one more thing, for those of you who have purchased thinkpads how's there customer service?

I dont know about the ports, but I would assume that one of the main reasons for using a port is to hook up a monitor, so I would assume it has one..

IBM customer service is considered to be very good, if not one of the best for laptops.

Also, if you search around, you can find 19" flat panels for like 220..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on May 17, 2006, 03:57:44 PM
There's a new anniversary sale at Lenovo.

Highlights:

T60 for $949
Z60 for $849

Even hotter than the earlier anniversary sale, imo.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on May 19, 2006, 08:44:30 AM
What's the difference between the 6 cell and 9 cell batteries on Dells?  Is the 6 cell sufficient for law school?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on May 19, 2006, 08:18:21 PM
does 6 cell mean 6 hours?

and am i correct in assuming that a duo core processor is the way to go for a thinkpad T60? ie, the machine will be cooler and faster?

oh one more thing, does anyone know what differentiates a T60 & t60s?

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 19, 2006, 09:55:22 PM
does 6 cell mean 6 hours?

and am i correct in assuming that a duo core processor is the way to go for a thinkpad T60? ie, the machine will be cooler and faster?

oh one more thing, does anyone know what differentiates a T60 & t60s?



6 cell is the size of the battery.. it doesn't mean how many hours..

Duo Core is good, but not necessary.. At least not yet.. Until programs start (some already are) being programmed in multiple layers, the duo core wont do much.. You'll notice a difference in certain programs that use multi-layering, but thats it..

I'd get it, but I wouldnt pay too much for it..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on May 20, 2006, 04:10:40 AM

oh one more thing, does anyone know what differentiates a T60 & t60s?



I don't think there is a T60s. There's a X60S, which is a performance enhanced (more RAM, bigger HD) X60. The equivalent for a T60 is the T60P. Of course, with the extra performance is premium pricing. The s and p machines cost significantly more than the plain vanilla models.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on May 20, 2006, 04:57:29 AM
thanks guys, and yeah its the T60p, my fault
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: hoopster on May 20, 2006, 08:07:53 AM
Are the following specs good enough to last me through 3 yrs of law school:  1.66 mhz Dual Core, 1 GB Ram, 60 GB hard drive, dvd burner, and a wireless card?  I'm thinking of getting a Dell w/ those, and I just want to make sure it's good enough.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 20, 2006, 08:11:58 AM
Are the following specs good enough to last me through 3 yrs of law school:  1.66 mhz Dual Core, 1 GB Ram, 60 GB hard drive, dvd burner, and a wireless card?  I'm thinking of getting a Dell w/ those, and I just want to make sure it's good enough.

Yeah, plenty good I'd say.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 20, 2006, 08:13:53 AM
Anyone having a tough time deciding b/w a T60 and a X60? I hope Best Buy starts carrying them soon.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 20, 2006, 08:58:38 AM
Anyone having a tough time deciding b/w a T60 and a X60? I hope Best Buy starts carrying them soon.


Both fine machines. Go with the X60 - you'll be happier in the long run.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SplitFinger on May 20, 2006, 12:07:01 PM
I bought the T60 - I decided that I would rather have the higher-powered processor than the widescreen.  I'm pleased with it.  :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on May 20, 2006, 12:10:58 PM
if you can deal with a smaller screen & keyboard then id say the X60


Anyone having a tough time deciding b/w a T60 and a X60? I hope Best Buy starts carrying them soon.


Both fine machines. Go with the X60 - you'll be happier in the long run.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 20, 2006, 01:52:08 PM
my lenovo will be shipped within "30 days" wtf wtf ah well i dont need it anyway i suppose
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 20, 2006, 02:02:00 PM
Quote
if you can deal with a smaller screen & keyboard then id say the X60

Well, the keyboard, for the most part, is full-sized, right? I'm having a heck of a time deciding based on screen size. I think I'll just have to wait and try them both.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 20, 2006, 02:37:56 PM
5/26 here and i get it will be delayed more!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SplitFinger on May 20, 2006, 08:36:04 PM
FWIW, when I ordered mine, I was told the shipping date was 5/26, and it arrived over a week ago.  :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on May 20, 2006, 09:10:17 PM
Does this seem like a good deal for a Dell or should I wait for a better one - 14'' Inspiron E1405 w/ 1.66 Dual Core, 1 GB Ram, 60 GB hard drive, DVD burner, wireless card, and 3 yr warranty for about $1038 shipped?  It seems to have everything I need, but I don't really have to have it until August, and I wonder if they'll have better deals later on.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on May 20, 2006, 11:31:14 PM
Does this seem like a good deal for a Dell or should I wait for a better one - 14'' Inspiron E1405 w/ 1.66 Dual Core, 1 GB Ram, 60 GB hard drive, DVD burner, wireless card, and 3 yr warranty for about $1038 shipped?  It seems to have everything I need, but I don't really have to have it until August, and I wonder if they'll have better deals later on.

Looks good.

Any of the Duo Cores or Pentium M's are fine for what we do, I think at least. A Gig of RAM seems like a must. What type of warranty? Some are next day some are on site and some are ship in (which you probably do not want). You may also want to shell out the extra cash for the accidental damage plan since we're all going to be fairly mobile with ours.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law-Man on May 22, 2006, 07:20:28 AM
Does this seem like a good deal for a Dell or should I wait for a better one - 14'' Inspiron E1405 w/ 1.66 Dual Core, 1 GB Ram, 60 GB hard drive, DVD burner, wireless card, and 3 yr warranty for about $1038 shipped?  It seems to have everything I need, but I don't really have to have it until August, and I wonder if they'll have better deals later on.

I saw that deal yesterday, I'm really thinking about getting it also. Especialy since it comes with the docking thing, and , wireless keyboard/mouse. Even with the warrenty it is a lot of computer for the money, and not so heavy either.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on May 22, 2006, 07:30:29 AM
Does this seem like a good deal for a Dell or should I wait for a better one - 14'' Inspiron E1405 w/ 1.66 Dual Core, 1 GB Ram, 60 GB hard drive, DVD burner, wireless card, and 3 yr warranty for about $1038 shipped?  It seems to have everything I need, but I don't really have to have it until August, and I wonder if they'll have better deals later on.

I got something pretty close to that, but only a 1 year warranty, I paid about $850, so it sounds pretty good.

By the way what I did was find Dell coupons on Ebay, 30% off and $35 off.  Combined those for the good deal.

Definately has everything you will need either way.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: okayplayer on May 22, 2006, 08:50:41 AM
Does this seem like a good deal for a Dell or should I wait for a better one - 14'' Inspiron E1405 w/ 1.66 Dual Core, 1 GB Ram, 60 GB hard drive, DVD burner, wireless card, and 3 yr warranty for about $1038 shipped?  It seems to have everything I need, but I don't really have to have it until August, and I wonder if they'll have better deals later on.

I just hooked up the exact same computer for $747 shipped, (all but the 3yr warranty, mine was just 1)...here's the coupn code: QP?K?9CKBV?4B? I found it here:

http://www.gotapex.com

It expires 5/25 at 5:59am central.

 If you don't feel comfortable using it Dell is running 22% off deal for their 22nd anniversary...don't know how long it's going to last though.  I'm sorry if this sounds like spam, but it's really not.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 22, 2006, 08:52:38 AM
FWIW, when I ordered mine, I was told the shipping date was 5/26, and it arrived over a week ago.  :)

cool  :) then again they released the hold on my credit card so i am thinking it might be seriously delayed...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on May 22, 2006, 08:59:37 AM
Should I pay the extra $39 and upgrade to the Truelife screen?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: missliad on May 22, 2006, 12:07:37 PM
my lenovo will be shipped within "30 days" wtf wtf ah well i dont need it anyway i suppose

which extended warranty did you get? (if you purchased one).  I dont see the difference between the extended warranty and the warranty upgrade - same price.  THere is also a depot repair vs. onsite repair/9x5.  Anyone know what the best one to get is?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 22, 2006, 01:05:16 PM
which extended warranty did you get? (if you purchased one).  I dont see the difference between the extended warranty and the warranty upgrade - same price.  THere is also a depot repair vs. onsite repair/9x5.  Anyone know what the best one to get is?

Best is a little relative...

I ordered the Thinkpad X60s and got the following warranty:
-3 year
-Accidental damage coverage
-On site repair, next day, 5 days a week, 9 hours a day.

The only option for Lenovos more expensive than this warranty is a similar 4 year warranty, which costs almost 2x as much.  If money is most important than coverage, you'll pay less for warranties that don't include accidental damage repairs, that require you take the laptop someplace or mail it into the manufacturer, and are shorter in duration (1-2 years).

For me the peace of mind of knowing that whatever happens to the laptop, someone will show up the next day at the LS and fix the problem is worth the extra price.  I'm confident I can take care of a number of laptop problems but if the motherboard dies I know I'd be hosed and not having the laptop for 72 hours or several weeks just isn't an option.  I've heard of some manufacturers taking months to return a broken machine...keep that in mind when you consider your warranty options.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 22, 2006, 01:30:23 PM
Please make suggestions about what laptop I should buy:
It will be my sole computer and I will be carrying it with me a lot, so durability is my main concern.  I would also like it to be somewhat light.
I am not a big technology guy and will most likely be using it only for internet and word processing and anything else LS related (OneNote etc).  However, I would like it to be fast--can't stand a slow processor...my laptop right now is a 5 year old slow, Sony Vaio.  Price is a constraining factor.  Since I am a poor student and laptops are relatively unimportant to me, I'd like to get away as cheaply as possible.  Should I go with a Lenovo or a Dell and what model?  What is the best way to get a good deal?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 22, 2006, 01:45:19 PM
Please make suggestions about what laptop I should buy:
It will be my sole computer and I will be carrying it with me a lot, so durability is my main concern.  I would also like it to be somewhat light.
I am not a big technology guy and will most likely be using it only for internet and word processing and anything else LS related (OneNote etc).  However, I would like it to be fast--can't stand a slow processor...my laptop right now is a 5 year old slow, Sony Vaio.  Price is a constraining factor.  Since I am a poor student and laptops are relatively unimportant to me, I'd like to get away as cheaply as possible.  Should I go with a Lenovo or a Dell and what model?  What is the best way to get a good deal?

What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 22, 2006, 01:55:04 PM
Please make suggestions about what laptop I should buy:
It will be my sole computer and I will be carrying it with me a lot, so durability is my main concern.  I would also like it to be somewhat light.
I am not a big technology guy and will most likely be using it only for internet and word processing and anything else LS related (OneNote etc).  However, I would like it to be fast--can't stand a slow processor...my laptop right now is a 5 year old slow, Sony Vaio.  Price is a constraining factor.  Since I am a poor student and laptops are relatively unimportant to me, I'd like to get away as cheaply as possible.  Should I go with a Lenovo or a Dell and what model?  What is the best way to get a good deal?

What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?

I could go as high as $1,500.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 22, 2006, 02:15:16 PM
What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?

I could go as high as $1,500.

It would be challenging to get a good, new Thinkpad for under 1,500 with a decent warranty.  If your school has a good deal with Lenovo it might be possible.  If you know an IBM employee and can use their Employee Purchase Program (EPP) discount, you could easily get a decent, core duo T60 or X60 plus a good warranty for 1,500 or a bit less.  You can get one of the Pentium M Thinkpads that are being phased out for a little over 1,000.  I'm not a big fan of Dell's laptops but some people here are, maybe they can suggest a good model for your price range.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 22, 2006, 02:42:36 PM
What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?

I could go as high as $1,500.

It would be challenging to get a good, new Thinkpad for under 1,500 with a decent warranty.  If your school has a good deal with Lenovo it might be possible.  If you know an IBM employee and can use their Employee Purchase Program (EPP) discount, you could easily get a decent, core duo T60 or X60 plus a good warranty for 1,500 or a bit less.  You can get one of the Pentium M Thinkpads that are being phased out for a little over 1,000.  I'm not a big fan of Dell's laptops but some people here are, maybe they can suggest a good model for your price range.

Not true at all..

Anniversary deal has tons of thinkpads for very cheap.  Also with a 3 year warranty, you will pay less than 1500.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 22, 2006, 02:49:19 PM
which extended warranty did you get? (if you purchased one).  I dont see the difference between the extended warranty and the warranty upgrade - same price.  THere is also a depot repair vs. onsite repair/9x5.  Anyone know what the best one to get is?

Best is a little relative...

I ordered the Thinkpad X60s and got the following warranty:
-3 year
-Accidental damage coverage
-On site repair, next day, 5 days a week, 9 hours a day.

The only option for Lenovos more expensive than this warranty is a similar 4 year warranty, which costs almost 2x as much.  If money is most important than coverage, you'll pay less for warranties that don't include accidental damage repairs, that require you take the laptop someplace or mail it into the manufacturer, and are shorter in duration (1-2 years).

For me the peace of mind of knowing that whatever happens to the laptop, someone will show up the next day at the LS and fix the problem is worth the extra price.  I'm confident I can take care of a number of laptop problems but if the motherboard dies I know I'd be hosed and not having the laptop for 72 hours or several weeks just isn't an option.  I've heard of some manufacturers taking months to return a broken machine...keep that in mind when you consider your warranty options.

I purchased the same warranty for my X41 tablet with the same reasoning behind the desicion. I keep tagging on your post Typhoon - I really don't mean to :)

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on May 22, 2006, 06:49:02 PM
For those of you who ordered Dells, did you upgrade to the Truelife screen?  Did you get accidental coverage?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 22, 2006, 06:49:31 PM
What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?

I could go as high as $1,500.

It would be challenging to get a good, new Thinkpad for under 1,500 with a decent warranty.  If your school has a good deal with Lenovo it might be possible.  If you know an IBM employee and can use their Employee Purchase Program (EPP) discount, you could easily get a decent, core duo T60 or X60 plus a good warranty for 1,500 or a bit less.  You can get one of the Pentium M Thinkpads that are being phased out for a little over 1,000.  I'm not a big fan of Dell's laptops but some people here are, maybe they can suggest a good model for your price range.
What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?

I could go as high as $1,500.

It would be challenging to get a good, new Thinkpad for under 1,500 with a decent warranty.  If your school has a good deal with Lenovo it might be possible.  If you know an IBM employee and can use their Employee Purchase Program (EPP) discount, you could easily get a decent, core duo T60 or X60 plus a good warranty for 1,500 or a bit less.  You can get one of the Pentium M Thinkpads that are being phased out for a little over 1,000.  I'm not a big fan of Dell's laptops but some people here are, maybe they can suggest a good model for your price range.

Not true at all..

Anniversary deal has tons of thinkpads for very cheap.  Also with a 3 year warranty, you will pay less than 1500.





I do happen to know an IBM employee although I haven't spoken to him in about a year, is this EPP thing something most employees wouldn't have a problem doing (giving out the EPP number or whatever it is) or are there potential consequences for them?  Also, can you combine the EPP with other things such as the Anniversary sale, or coupons from ebay, dealnews, etc?  How much is the EPP discount?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 22, 2006, 07:12:05 PM
What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?

I could go as high as $1,500.

It would be challenging to get a good, new Thinkpad for under 1,500 with a decent warranty.  If your school has a good deal with Lenovo it might be possible.  If you know an IBM employee and can use their Employee Purchase Program (EPP) discount, you could easily get a decent, core duo T60 or X60 plus a good warranty for 1,500 or a bit less.  You can get one of the Pentium M Thinkpads that are being phased out for a little over 1,000.  I'm not a big fan of Dell's laptops but some people here are, maybe they can suggest a good model for your price range.
What's the maximum you're willing to spend on a laptop?

I could go as high as $1,500.

It would be challenging to get a good, new Thinkpad for under 1,500 with a decent warranty.  If your school has a good deal with Lenovo it might be possible.  If you know an IBM employee and can use their Employee Purchase Program (EPP) discount, you could easily get a decent, core duo T60 or X60 plus a good warranty for 1,500 or a bit less.  You can get one of the Pentium M Thinkpads that are being phased out for a little over 1,000.  I'm not a big fan of Dell's laptops but some people here are, maybe they can suggest a good model for your price range.

Not true at all..

Anniversary deal has tons of thinkpads for very cheap.  Also with a 3 year warranty, you will pay less than 1500.





I do happen to know an IBM employee although I haven't spoken to him in about a year, is this EPP thing something most employees wouldn't have a problem doing (giving out the EPP number or whatever it is) or are there potential consequences for them?  Also, can you combine the EPP with other things such as the Anniversary sale, or coupons from ebay, dealnews, etc?  How much is the EPP discount?

EPP discount varies, depending on the cpu.. It cant be combined because you go in through a seperate "login" area..

They dont get into trouble, it is meant for them to give to friends and family.. I think they get a limited amount per year I think..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: frankm007 on May 22, 2006, 07:45:40 PM
Anyone want an Acer Travelmate 8204 for $1,800!? I'm getting rid of it, new with box and all it's original content. I fell in love with the MacBook Pros!!!  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 22, 2006, 08:28:12 PM
I do happen to know an IBM employee although I haven't spoken to him in about a year, is this EPP thing something most employees wouldn't have a problem doing (giving out the EPP number or whatever it is) or are there potential consequences for them?  Also, can you combine the EPP with other things such as the Anniversary sale, or coupons from ebay, dealnews, etc?  How much is the EPP discount?

The official line is that the discount can range from 18-35%, depending on the particular laptop/configuration (I guess some have higher profit margins than others).  I believe IBM employees are allowed 5 purchases a year, which can be used by them, their friends, and their family.  They just need to provide you with their last name and their employee ID.  You go to the website, login, and you can buy the machines online.  You can also call and order over the phone if the machine you're looking for isn't listed online (Lenovo has models that are available for purchase but are not available through the online store: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitute/psref/tabook.pdf ).

I had to call for the particular model I was interested in but I ended up saving 35% over list price (the education discount on the machine was only 20%).  The other sweet deal: all of the accesories (warranty, memory, extra battery, floppy, extra AC adapter) were 30% off list price...education: 0-15%.  I was amazed that the memory was cheaper to buy through the EPP than anywhere else online.

If you have the chance, you should give the EPP a shot - it may be your best option.
http://www-131.ibm.com/content/home/store_LNV_eppus/en_US/epplogin.html
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: B.K. on May 23, 2006, 06:22:48 AM
what is the difference between the thinkpad Z60 line (or their newer z61 line) and the X60 line?

thanks
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: B.K. on May 23, 2006, 07:17:14 AM
here is a more specific question, hopefully one of you can help: for everyone who owns the x60 thinkpad? what about the fact that there is no optical drive? is not being able to run a cd or dvd not a big deal in terms of law school related work?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 23, 2006, 08:40:19 AM
I do happen to know an IBM employee although I haven't spoken to him in about a year, is this EPP thing something most employees wouldn't have a problem doing (giving out the EPP number or whatever it is) or are there potential consequences for them?  Also, can you combine the EPP with other things such as the Anniversary sale, or coupons from ebay, dealnews, etc?  How much is the EPP discount?

The official line is that the discount can range from 18-35%, depending on the particular laptop/configuration (I guess some have higher profit margins than others).  I believe IBM employees are allowed 5 purchases a year, which can be used by them, their friends, and their family.  They just need to provide you with their last name and their employee ID.  You go to the website, login, and you can buy the machines online.  You can also call and order over the phone if the machine you're looking for isn't listed online (Lenovo has models that are available for purchase but are not available through the online store: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitute/psref/tabook.pdf ).

I had to call for the particular model I was interested in but I ended up saving 35% over list price (the education discount on the machine was only 20%).  The other sweet deal: all of the accesories (warranty, memory, extra battery, floppy, extra AC adapter) were 30% off list price...education: 0-15%.  I was amazed that the memory was cheaper to buy through the EPP than anywhere else online.

If you have the chance, you should give the EPP a shot - it may be your best option.
http://www-131.ibm.com/content/home/store_LNV_eppus/en_US/epplogin.html



Thanks for your help, I'm gonna pursue that EPP discount from the guy I know at IBM.  What model do you (or anyone else) recommend?  Do you "build" the computer online to your specifications?  Is that how it works?  Do actual physical stores sell Lenovos so at least I could try out the machine before I buy it?  What extras should I order that will be useful/necessary for LS?  Better battery? Floppy drive? Accidental damage?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 23, 2006, 08:43:53 AM
I got the Z60t because it is widescreen, 14.1" (not too small) and about 5 lbs.. The battery is pretty good, and it is IMO one of the sleaker IBMS..

Duck got the Z60m, which has the upgraded monitor.

The X series is a bit too small for me, but very nice also..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 23, 2006, 09:05:18 AM
wooooooooooo z60!! now - if i can just get the freakin thing
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 23, 2006, 09:05:57 AM
as soon as i pressed POST i got the shipment email...YAY!!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 23, 2006, 09:10:01 AM
me too!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 23, 2006, 09:38:34 AM
I'm gonna pursue that EPP discount from the guy I know at IBM.  What model do you (or anyone else) recommend?
One thing to be aware of with the EPP discount: you cannot return/exchange the machine; all sales are final - if there's something wrong they'll fix it but you can't get your money back or exchange it for a different model.


What model do you (or anyone else) recommend?

I think the T series and X series are business-class machines.  Z & R series are targeted more towards the home consumer.  Z has a wide screen, R is cheapest, T is like a swiss-army knife, and X is the lightest/most portable.  I'm not sure the Z & R are built to be as sturdy as the T & X...maybe someone could comment on that topic.  The T is heavier than the X series but for that weight you get: an optical drive, potentially a faster processor, a bigger screen (14.1 or 15), and the possibility of a dedicated graphics card instead of built-in graphics.  The X is lighter and smaller than the T series, gets better battery life, and it has the option of a processor designed to use less power/generate less heat.


Do you "build" the computer online to your specifications?  Is that how it works?

You don't build the machine like you would with HP, Toshiba, and others.  There's a set configuration and you can change the amount of memory.  Besides ordering accesories, that's all you can do.  Take a look at the regular Lenovo online store so you can get a feel for what it is like.


Do actual physical stores sell Lenovos so at least I could try out the machine before I buy it?

Maybe.  Best Buy is supposed to start selling them at some point.  Sometimes university computer stores will have display models on hand.  Occassionally there are local stores that carry Thinkpads, but since the 60s are new you may not find a store that has them on hand.  I guess if you wanted to be really sure, you could order a machine from Lenovo in the regular manner, try it out, and if you like it you could return it and purchase it through the EPP.  It's unlikely to be an option for you, but if you're in China there are multiple Thinkpad stores in most major cities.


What extras should I order that will be useful/necessary for LS?  Better battery? Floppy drive? Accidental damage?

It sort of depends.  An extra AC adapter means you don't have to carry one back and forth to school.  None of the Thinkpads come with a floppy drive, so you may want to get one.  It's possible to buy USB external floppy drives seperate from the manufacturer (i.e. online).  If you get an X series without the docking station, you'll need to buy an external CD or DVD drive.  Get the accidental damage coverage if you can afford it; if you aren't clumsy, you are a whiz with a soldering iron, are interested in potentially fighting with a computer company regarding whether damage was or was not accidental, or if you could easily buy a replacement laptop then you could probably skip the accidental damage warranty. 

I think the T series allows you to swap the optical drive with a battery.  Most machines can accept several types of batteries.  In addition to the bay battery, the T has 6 and 9 cell batteries (more cells = more weight, more bulk, but also more battery time).  The X series has an 8-cell, 4-cell enhanced, 4-cell slim battery, and a 4-cell extended battery that can attach to the base of the machine, allowing you to have two batteries connected at one time...the X60 I picked comes with the 8-cell (great for flights) and I ordered an additional 4-cell slim battery to minimize space and weight (great for day to day carrying).

Often it's cheaper to buy memory and harddrives from another source and then install it yourself.  You might keep this in mind when you're picking out the machine (harddrive size and amount of memory available on a model is pretty meaningless if you can just drop something else in yourself).

You'll probably want to get a laptop bag/or some sort of slipcase if you don't already have one.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 23, 2006, 09:52:18 AM
I'm gonna pursue that EPP discount from the guy I know at IBM.  What model do you (or anyone else) recommend?
One thing to be aware of with the EPP discount: you cannot return/exchange the machine; all sales are final - if there's something wrong they'll fix it but you can't get your money back or exchange it for a different model.


What model do you (or anyone else) recommend?

I think the T series and X series are business-class machines.  Z & R series are targeted more towards the home consumer.  Z has a wide screen, R is cheapest, T is like a swiss-army knife, and X is the lightest/most portable.  I'm not sure the Z & R are built to be as sturdy as the T & X...maybe someone could comment on that topic.  The T is heavier than the X series but for that weight you get: an optical drive, potentially a faster processor, a bigger screen (14.1 or 15), and the possibility of a dedicated graphics card instead of built-in graphics.  The X is lighter and smaller than the T series, gets better battery life, and it has the option of a processor designed to use less power/generate less heat.


Do you "build" the computer online to your specifications?  Is that how it works?

You don't build the machine like you would with HP, Toshiba, and others.  There's a set configuration and you can change the amount of memory.  Besides ordering accesories, that's all you can do.  Take a look at the regular Lenovo online store so you can get a feel for what it is like.


Do actual physical stores sell Lenovos so at least I could try out the machine before I buy it?

Maybe.  Best Buy is supposed to start selling them at some point.  Sometimes university computer stores will have display models on hand.  Occassionally there are local stores that carry Thinkpads, but since the 60s are new you may not find a store that has them on hand.  I guess if you wanted to be really sure, you could order a machine from Lenovo in the regular manner, try it out, and if you like it you could return it and purchase it through the EPP.  It's unlikely to be an option for you, but if you're in China there are multiple Thinkpad stores in most major cities.


What extras should I order that will be useful/necessary for LS?  Better battery? Floppy drive? Accidental damage?

It sort of depends.  An extra AC adapter means you don't have to carry one back and forth to school.  None of the Thinkpads come with a floppy drive, so you may want to get one.  It's possible to buy USB external floppy drives seperate from the manufacturer (i.e. online).  If you get an X series without the docking station, you'll need to buy an external CD or DVD drive.  Get the accidental damage coverage if you can afford it; if you aren't clumsy, you are a whiz with a soldering iron, are interested in potentially fighting with a computer company regarding whether damage was or was not accidental, or if you could easily buy a replacement laptop then you could probably skip the accidental damage warranty. 

I think the T series allows you to swap the optical drive with a battery.  Most machines can accept several types of batteries.  In addition to the bay battery, the T has 6 and 9 cell batteries (more cells = more weight, more bulk, but also more battery time).  The X series has an 8-cell, 4-cell enhanced, 4-cell slim battery, and a 4-cell extended battery that can attach to the base of the machine, allowing you to have two batteries connected at one time...the X60 I picked comes with the 8-cell (great for flights) and I ordered an additional 4-cell slim battery to minimize space and weight (great for day to day carrying).

Often it's cheaper to buy memory and harddrives from another source and then install it yourself.  You might keep this in mind when you're picking out the machine (harddrive size and amount of memory available on a model is pretty meaningless if you can just drop something else in yourself).

You'll probably want to get a laptop bag/or some sort of slipcase if you don't already have one.



Thanks for the great advice, I really appreciate it--I would never have been able to figure this stuff out.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 23, 2006, 11:19:19 AM
I'm 99% sure I'm going to get an x60.  I want small, light-weight and sturdy.

Excellent choice - if only it were available in convertable tablet form.....

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on May 23, 2006, 11:26:34 AM
Im having such a hard time deciding between the T60 and the X60.  Lots of pro/con for each for my daily use.  Portability vs screen size, power v battery life, optical drive. GRRRRR!

I'm thinking of just ordering the two and testing them out for a month.  Good luck to everyone else.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on May 23, 2006, 11:44:06 AM
Im having such a hard time deciding between the T60 and the X60.  Lots of pro/con for each for my daily use.  Portability vs screen size, power v battery life, optical drive. GRRRRR!

I'm thinking of just ordering the two and testing them out for a month.  Good luck to everyone else.

T60: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2767 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2767)

X60: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2828 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2828)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 23, 2006, 12:33:43 PM
Hmm, I wonder what the EPP discount would bring that down to...prolly at least a few hundred discount.

EPP: over $500 less

Education discount: $2,032.70

https://www-03.ibm.com/lenovo/shop/personalpages/public/index.cfm?vcid=%27%29%3ESJT%2C8%2BQ%20%20%20%0A&maxid=usstudents&establish_cookie=true
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lyrehc on May 23, 2006, 03:23:36 PM
Just some extra info for you guys in case you're interested.

A friend who works at IBM checked out the T60 I wanted:

List price: $1,599
EPP price: $1,279

So it's a 20% discount on the T60.  I think the T42 and T43 probably have better discounts... didn't look into any of the other series so I can't comment on those...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on May 23, 2006, 04:47:08 PM
in case ppl are looking for deals on monitors and stuff, here's a site with some great prices..... www.tigerdirect.com
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 23, 2006, 09:57:03 PM
Im having such a hard time deciding between the T60 and the X60.  Lots of pro/con for each for my daily use.  Portability vs screen size, power v battery life, optical drive. GRRRRR!

I'm thinking of just ordering the two and testing them out for a month.  Good luck to everyone else.

T60: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2767 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2767)

X60: http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2828 (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2828)

Yeah notebook review is duh sh!t!  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on May 23, 2006, 10:32:08 PM
For those of you who ordered Dells, did you upgrade to the Truelife screen?  Did you get accidental coverage?

No I didn't get the Truelife (heard it wasn't that good, plus it's for games/videos and I have a desktop for that)

No I didn't get accidental coverage (expensive and I will be careful and back up).

My thoughts are, with how laptops get so much better every year, I'm spending close to $1k, but if it breaks, I'll spend 1k again and it'll have better specs than the ones they spent 1.5-2k on.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Karl Pilkington on May 24, 2006, 07:47:04 AM
It's also important to remember another distinction between the T series and X series IBMs - the T series have a trackpad and trackpoint, but I believe the X series only have a trackpoint. Personally, I prefer the trackpad, and that was one of the reasons why I got the T series.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 24, 2006, 07:48:23 AM
mine came today! it is packaged like um a fortress and i dont have time to open it now but i will soon...excited  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 24, 2006, 08:06:00 AM
I just logged into the EPP thing on IBM, the featured EPP notebook was a Z60t "Performance", web price $2,099, EPP price: $1,349 (36% off)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 24, 2006, 08:27:12 AM
I am comparing a bunch of these computers....do I need to be concerned with the Processor?  I have noticed that there are many different processors: Celeron M 360, 370;  Pentium M 740,50,60,80;  Core Duo T2500, etc.  Should I limit myself to a particular proceessor for Law School?  Are there major difference between them, i.e, between say Pentium and Celeron, and then specifically between Pentium 740 and 780?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 24, 2006, 08:50:07 AM
My Z60t just came in!  Sleeeeeeek!

Cant wait to power this baby up!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 24, 2006, 09:03:28 AM
me too mine just came 2 hours ago!!!

now i need a bag  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 24, 2006, 09:21:44 AM
I am comparing a bunch of these computers....do I need to be concerned with the Processor?  I have noticed that there are many different processors: Celeron M 360, 370;  Pentium M 740,50,60,80;  Core Duo T2500, etc.  Should I limit myself to a particular proceessor for Law School?  Are there major difference between them, i.e, between say Pentium and Celeron, and then specifically between Pentium 740 and 780?

Celeron M: Celeron is what used to be Intel's budget processor.  They often have less memory built into the processor architecture (L1 & L2 cache) than a Pentium with the same clock speed.  This fact means that at the same clock speed the Celeron M will run slower than a Pentium M because the machine can't deal with information as efficiently as it could with more on-chip memory.

Pentium M: The Pentium M used to be the top of the line Intel mobile processor.  There were often different flavors (normal M, low voltage, ultra low voltage) that were used in different machines dependingon the machine's purpose.

Core: Intel has shifted its identfication of mobile processors to single or multiple cores.
-Core Solo: The Core Solo is a single core processor (like the Celeron or Pentium of old).  It often sells for less but is also less powerful.

-Core Duo: The Core Duos are processors with two processor cores on the same chip.  They share on-chip memory, as well as input/output bandwidth and system-wide resources.  Having two cores allows you to do two processor intensive tasks at the same time without taking a noticeable hit in performance.  As time progresses, it will also mean that a single task can be completed more quickly because both cores could focus on processor-intensive task and get it done faster than a single core could.  Within Core Duo there are two lines: the T series and the L series.  T are the standard processor while the L processors are low voltage (less power & less heat for the same clock speed).


Are there major difference between them, i.e, between say Pentium and Celeron, and then specifically between Pentium 740 and 780?

Pentium M 740: 1.73 Ghz
Pentium M 780: 2.26 Ghz

The difference is pretty much .50Ghz (or 500Mhz) difference in processor speed.  Most everything else should be about the same between the two processors.


Should I limit myself to a particular proceessor for Law School?

Well if the price difference between a Pentium M machine and a Core Duo machine is negligible, then get the Core Duo.  Not only will the processor be faster but the components in the machine will be faster as well (faster memory, faster PCI cardbus, faster Harddrive interface, and probably a newer, faster graphics card). 

Q: Do you need a Core Duo for law school?
A: Absolutely not.

Q: In law school would you notice a difference in performance between a Core Duo and a Pentium M?
A: Almost certainly.

With the Duo and the laptop's newer components, the computer will probably boot faster, open programs faster, complete processor intensive tasks sooner, and in some cases improve your battery life.  You certainly don't need any of those benefits during law school.  Another question might be: do you want the benefits from the Core Duo at the price you'll pay?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: MMILLER3 on May 24, 2006, 09:25:05 AM
me too mine just came 2 hours ago!!!

now i need a bag  :D

What kind of bag are you thinking of getting.  I also purchased a z60t (awaiting my delivery) and am thinking of getting a Waterfield sleeve.  But, I'm not sure what kind of bag to get.....ideas??

Birdman?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 24, 2006, 09:45:37 AM
 :P duck

im not sure yet...im going to get a bag that mixes cuteness and good protection  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on May 24, 2006, 09:48:13 AM
:P duck

im not sure yet...im going to get a bag that mixes cuteness and good protection  :D

Maka, I found what you are looking for:

(http://www.moonkingdomproducts.com/hellokitty/lunchbag-21700pl.jpg)

Too bad you already bought your laptop, you could have gotten the one that comes with the bag...

(http://www.seanodonnell.com/photos/photos_320x240/01080768629.jpg)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on May 24, 2006, 09:52:50 AM
elle woods!  :D thanks for your recomendation i will take it into consideration
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on May 24, 2006, 11:03:46 AM
I just logged into the EPP thing on IBM, the featured EPP notebook was a Z60t "Performance", web price $2,099, EPP price: $1,349 (36% off)

How is everyone getting EPP access?


I know an IBM employee
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 24, 2006, 11:21:12 AM
How is everyone getting EPP access?

Know an IBM employee that went to my college.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 24, 2006, 11:38:59 AM
me too mine just came 2 hours ago!!!

now i need a bag  :D

What kind of bag are you thinking of getting.  I also purchased a z60t (awaiting my delivery) and am thinking of getting a Waterfield sleeve.  But, I'm not sure what kind of bag to get.....ideas??

Birdman?

Good question.. I think the thinkpad bags are wayyyy expensive, so I will definitly try to find something cheaper..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 24, 2006, 11:41:04 AM
me too mine just came 2 hours ago!!!

now i need a bag  :D

What kind of bag are you thinking of getting.  I also purchased a z60t (awaiting my delivery) and am thinking of getting a Waterfield sleeve.  But, I'm not sure what kind of bag to get.....ideas??

Birdman?

I was gonna get this kind of bag:
(http://www.eastlink.com.hk/Plastic%20bag.jpg)

 :D

lol.. Is that for your computer or for a jacket??  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 24, 2006, 11:49:47 AM
me too mine just came 2 hours ago!!!

now i need a bag  :D

What kind of bag are you thinking of getting.  I also purchased a z60t (awaiting my delivery) and am thinking of getting a Waterfield sleeve.  But, I'm not sure what kind of bag to get.....ideas??

Birdman?

I was gonna get this kind of bag:
(http://www.eastlink.com.hk/Plastic%20bag.jpg)

 :D

lol.. Is that for your computer or for a jacket??  :D

lol...computer and law books!!  :D ;)

Nice... ;)

Tell me if you find a good deal..;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Tiwaz on May 24, 2006, 06:48:25 PM
My obsessive tracking of the various deal sites has finally come to an end.   I ended up ordering a Dell Inspiron 710m.  I focused on cost, weight, and battery life.  I think I'll be very happy with my choice, though of course I'll post a full review once it arrives.  :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lyrehc on May 26, 2006, 01:16:40 PM
Ok... I need some advice:

Lenovo T60
1.83GHz dual core
1GB RAM
14.4" monitor
DVD writer

Price $1348.20
Price after tax $1,462.29

Should I go for it??? 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on May 27, 2006, 04:39:42 PM
I just wanted to say that the z60t is sickkkkkkkkkkkk!

Although, it comes loaded to the brim with programs so if anyone wants to share how they are cleaning up their IBM's it would appreciated..

Hey duck, you get your z60m yet?  If so, hows the screen.. The T's screen seems pretty good to me except when outside during the day..
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: moonchigger on May 27, 2006, 04:50:03 PM
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Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 27, 2006, 11:24:20 PM
I saw a T series at the coffeeshop today. It was so damn nice. I was surprised how large the monitor looked. Maybe the X60 won't be too small. I'm typing this on a Dell 700m, and it seems to have plenty of monitor real estate. Of course, I'm not using it to outline for hours on end, so who knows.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: B.K. on May 29, 2006, 08:44:13 AM
I'm REALLY having a hard time deciding between the Lenovo T60 and X60...I know there are advantages and disadvatages to each, but I am looking for someone to try to convince me one way or another. For me, the fact that the T60 does not have a firewire port and is a bit heavier is annoying. However, the x60's lack of an optical drive/need for the dock/base is kinda annoying, plus, I don't know if I'll be annoyed by a 12" screen ( although that's the same size as the 12" Ibook i've used for the last five years, no problem).

Question: an you buy adapters to turn a USB port into a firewire? ( possibly a stupid question!)

Please, for those of you who have already made this decision, share your thoughts.

Thank you!!!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StepUpT0theMike on May 29, 2006, 09:08:40 AM


Question: an you buy adapters to turn a USB port into a firewire? ( possibly a stupid question!)

Thank you!!!


I'm not sure if there are adapters, but I would be surprised if there weren't.  I do know that you can by a PC/MCIA card that has firewire ports as this is what I use on my laptop.  Also, if you're using this firewire port for your Ipod a firewire port might not be a necessity.  In my experience, I haven't noticed much difference in transfer/update times when I use USB 2.0 (my desktop) and Firewire (my laptop).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 29, 2006, 09:15:01 AM
I'm REALLY having a hard time deciding between the Lenovo T60 and X60...I know there are advantages and disadvatages to each, but I am looking for someone to try to convince me one way or another. For me, the fact that the T60 does not have a firewire port and is a bit heavier is annoying. However, the x60's lack of an optical drive/need for the dock/base is kinda annoying, plus, I don't know if I'll be annoyed by a 12" screen ( although that's the same size as the 12" Ibook i've used for the last five years, no problem).

Question: an you buy adapters to turn a USB port into a firewire? ( possibly a stupid question!)

Please, for those of you who have already made this decision, share your thoughts.

Thank you!!!

From backwords to forwards...

I think there are possibly adapters for specific purposes that you can buy but there isn't a universal cable solution... http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-300008044.html

That said, you can purchase a PCMCIA firewire card for those times you need firewire:
http://www.provantage.com/zonet-zun2300~7ZNET00A.htm
http://www.firewiredirect.com/firewire/products/cardbus.shtml (just examples)

If you've been using 12.1 inch for 5 years, you'll have the best idea of whether you can deal with the smaller screen.

On the X60, you're not tied into needing a dock/base for an optical drive...you can always get an external USB drive to take care of that issue.  How often do you utilize the optical drive on your current machine and where are you using it when you do use it?

Depending on your configuration you're talking about a 2-3.5 pound difference between the X60...so potentially, the T60 could way twice as much as the X60 (depending on your configuration and batteries used).  On its own the weight difference isn't enormous but keep in mind the laptop isn't the only thing you'll be carrying around.

What convinced me to go with the X60 is the computer's power given the small size and low weight...this machine with the previous chipset and processor would have been too weak for my taste.  Now that it has an upgradeable hard drive, fast memory, and a strong processor while also being able to get great battery life makes the decision was easy for me.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: B.K. on May 29, 2006, 10:29:31 AM
I'm REALLY having a hard time deciding between the Lenovo T60 and X60...I know there are advantages and disadvatages to each, but I am looking for someone to try to convince me one way or another. For me, the fact that the T60 does not have a firewire port and is a bit heavier is annoying. However, the x60's lack of an optical drive/need for the dock/base is kinda annoying, plus, I don't know if I'll be annoyed by a 12" screen ( although that's the same size as the 12" Ibook i've used for the last five years, no problem).

Question: an you buy adapters to turn a USB port into a firewire? ( possibly a stupid question!)

Please, for those of you who have already made this decision, share your thoughts.

Thank you!!!

From backwords to forwards...

I think there are possibly adapters for specific purposes that you can buy but there isn't a universal cable solution... http://www.usbfirewire.com/Parts/rr-300008044.html

That said, you can purchase a PCMCIA firewire card for those times you need firewire:
http://www.provantage.com/zonet-zun2300~7ZNET00A.htm
http://www.firewiredirect.com/firewire/products/cardbus.shtml (just examples)

If you've been using 12.1 inch for 5 years, you'll have the best idea of whether you can deal with the smaller screen.

On the X60, you're not tied into needing a dock/base for an optical drive...you can always get an external USB drive to take care of that issue.  How often do you utilize the optical drive on your current machine and where are you using it when you do use it?

Depending on your configuration you're talking about a 2-3.5 pound difference between the X60...so potentially, the T60 could way twice as much as the X60 (depending on your configuration and batteries used).  On its own the weight difference isn't enormous but keep in mind the laptop isn't the only thing you'll be carrying around.

What convinced me to go with the X60 is the computer's power given the small size and low weight...this machine with the previous chipset and processor would have been too weak for my taste.  Now that it has an upgradeable hard drive, fast memory, and a strong processor while also being able to get great battery life makes the decision was easy for me.

Thanks for your input, very helpful.

What do you mean about the configuration making it heavier? I mean, i can understand how a battery would affect it, but other stuff? Also, Typhoon, do you own the base/dock thing? If I were traveling or something, could I feasibly bring that too? (not to school or anything) How much do you think that weighs?
Thanks again,
BK
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 29, 2006, 12:46:03 PM
What do you mean about the configuration making it heavier? I mean, i can understand how a battery would affect it, but other stuff?

For instance, a T60 with a 15" LCD is heavier than the 14.1" model.  If you fill and X60 or T60 with a bluetooth daughter card, fingerprint scanner, WAN card, etc. it will get heavier.  In addition, there's a weight difference between the X60 and the X60s (which has a low voltage processor); I assume the X60 must have a bigger heatsink and maybe a heavier duty fan...I'm not sure why the X60 is slightly bigger and weighs slightly more.  In fact there's at least one X60s model called "Ultra Light" which has a brighter screen and is slightly lighter than the lightest X60s.  So, that's how things other than a battery can affect the weight.


Also, Typhoon, do you own the base/dock thing? If I were traveling or something, could I feasibly bring that too? (not to school or anything) How much do you think that weighs?

I didn't order it because the cost/benefit wasn't there for me and I've heard of people having problems with them (bad connections, components not working properly, etc.  I think it adds 1-2 pounds of weight but that is supposed to still be manageable.  I figured I could do better with an external USB drive.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on May 31, 2006, 04:26:03 PM
That new Dell came out today.

I am confused because people keep telling me to wait for some processor called Merom...?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 31, 2006, 06:56:32 PM
That new Dell came out today.

I am confused because people keep telling me to wait for some processor called Merom...?

Merom = 64-bit Dual Core Mobile processor

Yonah (the current one) = 32-bit Dual Core Mobile processor.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on May 31, 2006, 07:02:17 PM
I keep saying I'm going to buy something and then deciding to wait
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 31, 2006, 07:07:11 PM
just ordered X60s w/ 2GB ram.

I just got mine yesterday...it's a dream.  Small, light, and fast as lightning.  It's the fastest computer I've owned/used; admittedly, I haven't used any multi-processor machines so the comparison isn't fair but who cares.  And I'm sure the dual core 2.16 T60 is even faster but even with the slower low voltage processor I'm more than amazed by the speed.

2GB of RAM is just sweet...no swap file necessary (at least for XP).  And the 100GB 7200RPM drive I put in just flies.  This machine may not be everyone's cup of tea but it is mine.

I love the fingerprint scanner...different fingers for different users.  I find with the screen size I keep it closer to me than bigger displays but it is still great.  The pointing sticks have improved as well since the last Thinkpad I used in the late 90s.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 31, 2006, 07:21:35 PM
It's the X60s (1702-4EU) and with 2GB of ram, a 4 cell slimline battery, 3 year onsite accidental warranty, floppy drive, extra AC, shipping, and tax: $2,090 with EPP.

On battery saving mode it stays relatively cool - I had it in my lap for about three hours on battery and it wasn't bad.  Plugged in it can warm up.  The right palm rest gets a little warm but I've felt worse.  I think the issue of palm heat is two-fold: the wireless card is directly below plus below and towards the screen is where the hard drive lives.  When I was switching hard drives I noticed that the drive was pretty warm.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 31, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
Sometimes it's just a matter of asking around.  You may know one without realizing it (relative, family friend, classmate, etc.).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 01, 2006, 12:44:31 AM
hold on here....what's this about a flopy drive?

It's an external USB floppy.  I still have DOS/Linux based tools, for which a floppy drive is the easiest drve to use.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 01, 2006, 08:59:31 AM
I won't need it for school though, right?

Rumor is some schools have exam software that requires a floppy drive.  You may want to check your school.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 01, 2006, 10:08:49 AM
I won't need it for school though, right?

Rumor is some schools have exam software that requires a floppy drive.  You may want to check your school.

doesn't look like it:

Recommended minimum requirements to run ExamSoft's SofTest:

CPU =200Mhz
RAM =32MB
Hard Drive = 30MB of free space
Operating System = English Versions of Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME or XP
Software = Internet Explorer 5.0 or greater
Internet Connection (via wired network is preferable)

I don't think ExamSoft's SofTest is the only exam software in existence, although it does seem to be widely used.  Besides, even if those are the minimum requirements to run SofTest, that doesn't mean a school couldn't require the distribution of the exam and submission of the completed exam by floppy and floppy alone (it wouldn't make sense but it doesn't seem as though anything in the program precludes the possibility).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Achilles on June 01, 2006, 10:19:52 AM
Do you guys think tablets are worth the extra price. Also, do schools provide extra aid to ppl who want to get laptops ?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law-Man on June 01, 2006, 10:39:24 AM
I wish  :(
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 01, 2006, 11:39:22 AM
Do you guys think tablets are worth the extra price. Also, do schools provide extra aid to ppl who want to get laptops ?

Most schools will let you tack it on as a one-time thing.  You'll just have to get cover it with a loan then.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 01, 2006, 12:54:51 PM
do you think it's worth waiting for merom? like...is it pointless to buy a computer right now if a whole new processor is due out in august?

i am confused, i am buying a PC, but i know more about macs.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 01, 2006, 01:02:09 PM
do you think it's worth waiting for merom? like...is it pointless to buy a computer right now if a whole new processor is due out in august?

i am confused, i am buying a PC, but i know more about macs.

At this point in the processor game, if you're confused about 32-bit versus 64-bit it means you have no immediate use for 64-bit processing.  Just buy a laptop now.  Vista currently supports 32-bit and I can't imagine they'll remove that support.  So, you might not be able to run the next microsoft OS after Vista on it but having a 64-bit processor might not even guarantee that ability.  Right now, driver support for running in Windows XP 64-bit pretty much sucks hard.  Unless you're buying a server, I wouldn't worry about it for the tasks you'll be doing in law school.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 01, 2006, 01:06:10 PM
I am no expert, but I am 100% sure that I have no use for a 64-bit processor right now. But I read somewhere, in three years, it might be necessary to have one. I just don't want to spend my money on something that's going to suck. I've been looking at the Dell XPS m1210 and the Lenovo X60.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 01, 2006, 01:11:05 PM
I am no expert, but I am 100% sure that I have no use for a 64-bit processor right now. But I read somewhere, in three years, it might be necessary to have one. I just don't want to spend my money on something that's going to suck. I've been looking at the Dell XPS m1210 and the Lenovo X60.

It's highly unlikely.  You'll be able to run XP on it and you should be able to run Vista on it when that OS comes out.  Developers may start phasing out new 32-bit applications but I somehow doubt it'll be three years.  Consider this: people still make new programs that will function with Windows 98.  I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 01, 2006, 01:21:33 PM
Well...if I got a Dell XPS m1210 with a dual core processor and 2 GB of RAM...that should be enough to last me 3 years I would think.

I would likely buy something new at the end of law school.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Tiwaz on June 01, 2006, 04:54:00 PM
My Dell Inspiron 710m arrived a couple of days ago.  I thought I'd post some of my thoughts for anyone who might be considering it.

First, a disclaimer: I don't think anyone's claiming the 710m as a competitor to the Lenovo Thinkpads or even the new Dell XPS.  This isn't the fastest or fanciest machine available, but it had the features I wanted at an excellent price.  The Dell coupons change daily, obviously, but if you watch the deal sites and time your purchase carefully, the 710m's a great choice for the moderately budget conscious shopper.

The 710m is small-- 12" widescreen and just over 4 pounds.  I opted for the 8-cell battery, which adds a little weight, but the thing's still smaller and lighter than most of my undergrad textbooks.  The keyboard seems small at first, but I'm adjusting very quickly.  It might be awkward for someone with large hands; I don't know.  The larger battery sticks out the back a bit, but doesn't interfere in any way with my use of the laptop.  It seems ike a fair trade for five (!) full hours of battery life.

I'll be using my laptop as a second computer; I just can't bear to part with my desktop.  Thus, I'm not really worried about squinting into its tiny screen for hours on end.  If your laptop will be your only computer, it'd probably be worth getting a separate monitor for use at home.  That said, the screen is bright and glossy-- perfect for watching DVDs.

I've heard a lot about how Dells are unreliable, but my research into the repair statistics indicates they're just average, and certainly no worse than the HP/Compaq options.  The 710m feels suprisingly sturdy.  Given a good protective sleeve, I feel comfortable slinging it in my backpack and toting it to class for 3 years.  I got a 3-year extended warranty on mine, but given the price, you could probably go without it.  If the laptop dies in 2 years, it won't be too expensive to replace. 

The 1.7 Pentium M processor is no speed demon, but it's enough for my purposes, and it runs quiet and cool.  My previous laptop was a now four-year-old HP desktop replacement, which ran like a furnace and made enough noise to turn heads in coffee shops.  This is a pleasant change.

My biggest frustration so far?  There are only two USB ports, making the use of lots of peripherals difficult.

If anyone has any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 02, 2006, 09:40:56 AM
I'm 99% sure I'm going to get an x60.  I want small, light-weight and sturdy.

Excellent choice - if only it were available in convertable tablet form.....

Oingo

Looks like the end of this year for the X61 tablet.....

http://www.wfu.edu/technology/reference/thinkpad/faculty/Faculty%20Redistribution%20Memo%202006%205-9-06%20final.pdf

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 02, 2006, 09:51:07 AM
Oingo,
Do you have the hard drive clicking problems with your X41 tablet?  If so, how loud is it?

Yes, I do. We have a semi-quiet office here and I can notice the ticking over our HVAC system. Once there is a few people talking it is harder to lock into. It doesn't bother me although I realize that for some it can and does drive them crazy. I have a Dell 600m that I use for a work project that emits audible clicks and whirs too - doesn't bother me either.

Oingo

Update:

I installed the latest version of the IBM SATA Power Management driver. It eliminates 90% of the clicking noises - in fact I now go long periods without even noticing that the drive is running. This is a HUGE change from the past. Although this may be entirely subjectve, I did also notice an improvement in boot times. As it stands, bootups are at about 1 minute which is entirely tolerable. Highly recommended software upgrade for all X41 tablet owners!

Oingo

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 02, 2006, 10:33:36 AM
I got my Z60M today at last. Only had time to open it and barely boot it up at lunch time, but it looks pretty sweet.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on June 02, 2006, 10:43:49 AM
Quote
My Dell Inspiron 710m arrived a couple of days ago.  I thought I'd post some of my thoughts for anyone who might be considering it.

Did you end up getting the true life screen?  What are the advantages of it over the regular screen?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 02, 2006, 11:24:24 AM
hi guys. i need some advice for choosing an external hard drive. amazon has a lot of them on sale with huge discounts right now: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/598044/ref=amb_link_32368301_2/104-3829776-4628753

i just need something that can really simply and reliably back up all my documents, photos, and music. and i can spend up to $200, maybe $300 if necessary.

how do i know how much space i need? is it enough for it to be the same size as my laptop's hard drive (80gb)? should i make sure it has any particular features? how do i know if i want a 2.5" or 3.5" model? and how important is it to have a "one touch" feature?

Size doesn't really matter.  If you don't even know how much you need, it's highly unlikely that you'll need a lot, especially if you are just backing up your files.  I would say that 80GB will be more than reasonable.  2.5" or 3.5" shouldn't make too much of a difference.  The one touch ones can be handy, but it's not a terrible problem to have to use backup software.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: double_ugh on June 02, 2006, 01:34:13 PM
just ordered my very first laptop ever, the z61t, 1214 after epp!  ;D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Tiwaz on June 02, 2006, 07:19:53 PM
Did you end up getting the true life screen?  What are the advantages of it over the regular screen?

The 710m comes standard with the true life screen.  Dell says the true life screen offers improved resolution and an anti-glare coating.  They don't say it outright, but this is the "glossy" screen that's so popular right now.  Just go to any computer store and look at the laptops on display.  Some people like the glossy displays; some don't.  It's particularly well suited to watching movies in a dark room.  I'm very pleased with the resolution of my screen.  Testing the screen under direct light, I do notice some glare, but that's easy enough to avoid.  I think it would only become an issue if I was working outside.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Pythagoras on June 02, 2006, 08:27:30 PM
I've just ordered the Dell Inspiron 1505.  This is the cheapest I've seen it since I've been tracking the site for the past few weeks.

Intel T2400 (1.87Ghz etc)
1G RAM
60G 7200rpm hard drive
256MB videocard
3 yrs warranty
3 yrs accidental damage protection
XP Media Center OS (I  have XP Pro, so I'll upgrade when I get the comp. Also have XP Office)
9 cell battery
8x CD/DVD burner

Total= $1566 after 34% off.

That's reasonable right?  I had orignally set $1500 as my max budget.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: III on June 04, 2006, 06:15:51 PM
I highly recommend buying the cheapest laptop you can possibly find, and having a decent desktop as your primary machine.  When you use a laptop as much as you will in lawschool, you have to be prepared to break it, or at least wear it out.  If it is all you have and it needs to be serviced, you will be so SOL for everything not having a computer.  Also, having a second machine makes it really easy and convenient to back up all your data, which you ABSOLUTELY MUST DO.  Finally, you can often find decent, albeit low end, laptops on sale for like 400 bucks, and a desktop doesn't have to run you much more than a grand, which combined is still pretty cheap.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 04, 2006, 06:22:43 PM
hi guys. i need some advice for choosing an external hard drive. amazon has a lot of them on sale with huge discounts right now: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/598044/ref=amb_link_32368301_2/104-3829776-4628753

These Amazon "sales" aren't sales...they're way too much.  You can do it yourself for far, far less.  You buy a harddrive, you buy an enclosure, and then you put the harddrive in the enclosure.  I bought two 250GB IDE harddrives and two enclosures from Newegg for $233 total (includes shipping).  I could have chosen even cheaper components but I didn't want to risk receiving something crappy.  So that's $116.50 per external harddrive.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144309
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835150746

The lights on the enclosure are a little childish but I wanted an enclosure that will work with my drive imaging software.


how do i know how much space i need? is it enough for it to be the same size as my laptop's hard drive (80gb)? should i make sure it has any particular features? how do i know if i want a 2.5" or 3.5" model? and how important is it to have a "one touch" feature?

Space depends on what you're going to do.  If you're going to store things on the external drive that won't be on you laptop you may need more storage space.  If it's just a backup, then the same size is fine.

Important feature: on/off switch.  Don't laugh; when you have to unplug the AC cord it gets old pretty quickly and unnecesarily stresses the connector.  I find "one touch" obnoxious, I'm quite capable of starting a backup program by clicking; it's mainly for the magpies out there.

2.5: These are the drives most laptops use.  They're smaller, more portable, draw less power, and can sometimes be powered entirely from USB alone.  They cost more for the same size and rotational speed of a 3.5" drive.

3.5: These are the drives most desktops use.  They're bigger, will live on your desk, and normally require an AC adapter.  You can get enormous (disk space) 3.5" drives for a fraction of the cost of a similar 2.5" drive.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 04, 2006, 06:40:22 PM
I highly recommend buying the cheapest laptop you can possibly find, and having a decent desktop as your primary machine. When you use a laptop as much as you will in lawschool, you have to be prepared to break it, or at least wear it out. If it is all you have and it needs to be serviced, you will be so SOL for everything not having a computer. Also, having a second machine makes it really easy and convenient to back up all your data, which you ABSOLUTELY MUST DO. Finally, you can often find decent, albeit low end, laptops on sale for like 400 bucks, and a desktop doesn't have to run you much more than a grand, which combined is still pretty cheap.

You have a point, but I still went with the higher-end laptop.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 04, 2006, 06:49:29 PM
Those of you who have the X60 - is the keyboard really as decent as they say it is?  I am close to purchasing and I don't want to jump in if I'm going to be cramped (I have large hands)

It's not bad but then again I don't have large hands.  I've read about people with large hands saying they still like it.  My biggest complaint is that the "Function" key is placed where I'm used to "Control" being...I'm sure I'll adjust but it's a little annoying.  I suspect someone will come up with some sort of workaround to correct that brain-dead decision.  Otherwise it's great.  If you buy the Thinkpad through a source other than EPP you normally have 30 days to return/exchange the machine.  So, if the keyboard is a deal breaker you could return it.


I know I am going to end up with less HD space in my laptop than I would like and external drives are pricey.  I ran into this guide that explains how to make a USB Hard Drive from a 2.5" internal drive.  May be useful for some.

Be careful with the 2.5" drives...since manufacturers are just starting to switch to SATA it can be difficult to find a 2.5" SATA enclosure; many external enclosure manufacturer haven't begun to switch over, there are few in stock, and they're far more expensive that the IDE/PATA enclosures.  I have a spare SATA drive after I switched it with a bigger, faster drive but I'm waiting on 2.5" SATA enclosures to become more prevalent before buying one.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on June 04, 2006, 07:14:55 PM
What size screen is everyone getting on their laptop?  I was originally thinking about getting the 14'' but now I'm leaning towards the 15.4''.  Do you think it would be too heavy to carry around each day?  I'm going to be using it as my primary computer so I thought it might be better to get the bigger screen.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 04, 2006, 07:41:47 PM
I highly recommend buying the cheapest laptop you can possibly find, and having a decent desktop as your primary machine. When you use a laptop as much as you will in lawschool, you have to be prepared to break it, or at least wear it out. If it is all you have and it needs to be serviced, you will be so SOL for everything not having a computer. Also, having a second machine makes it really easy and convenient to back up all your data, which you ABSOLUTELY MUST DO. Finally, you can often find decent, albeit low end, laptops on sale for like 400 bucks, and a desktop doesn't have to run you much more than a grand, which combined is still pretty cheap.

You have a point, but I still went with the higher-end laptop.

I may have shot myself in the foot but I actually got rid of my desktop in preparation for LS. I have a DVD burner and personal webfile space at school (200 mb). I figure that those two resources should be enough for backup purposes.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Solidgun on June 04, 2006, 07:47:30 PM
I hope people know about the schools considering banning keyboards with loud clicks (maybe laptops all together).
I use a rubber pad from iSkin.com on my Powerbook and will get one for my MacBook, which reduces the noise.
The students that bring their laptops and bang away at their keyboards really annoy me, but I don't want to see laptops banned from schools because of the clicking. Be sure to be more considerate when you are typing if you don't take precautions.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 04, 2006, 08:04:18 PM
I hope people know about the schools considering banning keyboards with loud clicks (maybe laptops all together).
I use a rubber pad from iSkin.com on my Powerbook and will get one for my MacBook, which reduces the noise.
The students that bring their laptops and bang away at their keyboards really annoy me, but I don't want to see laptops banned from schools because of the clicking. Be sure to be more considerate when you are typing if you don't take precautions.

Putting rubbers over your keyboards and taking "precautions." What has this world come to? :) :) :)

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: III on June 04, 2006, 08:56:03 PM
Yeah, Oingo, I mean there are numerous ways to easily back up your data, but that is just one benefit of the laptop/desktop combo.  My main concern with only having a laptop is that they are really not meant to be used as a primary machine.  Everyday use in class, plus work that you do in the library and at home really takes a toll on them physically.  I've only gone through one year and already the case on my laptop is all dented and scratched, the keyboard and trackpad are less responsive then when I bought it, and the battery life has already gone to crap.  And I have a desktop that I use when I'm at home.  Granted, If you are really careful you can avoid some of these problems.  What you can't avoid is the fact that the screen on a laptop is not designed to be in continuous use, and could fail on you sooner than it should if you're using it as your primary system. Also, a real danger is that you will spill coffee on it, drop it, lose it, have it stolen, or otherwise render it inoperable.  If it is all you have, then you will be dependent on the computer lab to do even simple things like check email.  Also, you will find that you will be using westlaw pretty much every day, and if your laptop is getting fixed or something, you will be highly annoyed at not being able to do that whenever you want.  I don't want to even get into what your life will be like if you break your laptop right before a paper is due (happened to a friend of mine).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 04, 2006, 09:59:14 PM
Yeah, Oingo, I mean there are numerous ways to easily back up your data, but that is just one benefit of the laptop/desktop combo.  My main concern with only having a laptop is that they are really not meant to be used as a primary machine.  Everyday use in class, plus work that you do in the library and at home really takes a toll on them physically.  I've only gone through one year and already the case on my laptop is all dented and scratched, the keyboard and trackpad are less responsive then when I bought it, and the battery life has already gone to crap.  And I have a desktop that I use when I'm at home.  Granted, If you are really careful you can avoid some of these problems.  What you can't avoid is the fact that the screen on a laptop is not designed to be in continuous use, and could fail on you sooner than it should if you're using it as your primary system. Also, a real danger is that you will spill coffee on it, drop it, lose it, have it stolen, or otherwise render it inoperable.  If it is all you have, then you will be dependent on the computer lab to do even simple things like check email.  Also, you will find that you will be using westlaw pretty much every day, and if your laptop is getting fixed or something, you will be highly annoyed at not being able to do that whenever you want.  I don't want to even get into what your life will be like if you break your laptop right before a paper is due (happened to a friend of mine).

Good points all around. My wife has a laptop as well that could (in an emergency) be used. I have all the same critical software installed. My Thinkpad has 3 years on site warranty which I honestly hope I never have to use.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: cesco on June 04, 2006, 10:06:02 PM
I completely agree with the value of backing things up...but as for the "life" of a laptop after excessive use -

I used the same Dell for work for almost four years (it was just replaced) and was on the computer for hours straight every day.  It traveled with me (at one point I was traveling pretty much every day, flying, driving, etc).  The thing was bulletproof.  I just got a replacement because the laptop was so old, but the thing held up like you couldnt image.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on June 05, 2006, 12:14:22 AM
Typhoon, is the X60 all you thought it would be? I remember you said you liked it, but more, man, we want more!
I'm still deciding between the T and the X.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 05, 2006, 06:38:15 AM
Typhoon, is the X60 all you thought it would be? I remember you said you liked it, but more, man, we want more!
I'm still deciding between the T and the X.

I'm loving the X60s.  It's astounding just how fast the machine while still being so portable.  Even with low voltage processor it beats out my Athlon 64 desktop replacement laptop in every category.  After doing my memory and hard drive upgrades I can't imagine having any other machine. 

I was worried that I might have made a mistake by not getting the T series.  I've found that the screen realestate is adequate for me, the keyboard feels great, and the weight makes up for any whistles and bells the T has.  It is hands down the fastest machine I've ever used.  I know the T series machines are even faster and with dedicated GPUs would kill the X series in gaming, but that's not what I'm planning to do with the machine.

Beyond performance, I love the no-nonsense design of the Thinkpads (and it still has the tri-color IBM logo which relieves me).  And it is built like a brick shithouse; I can imagine it surviving law school without any problems.  Plus it's pretty darn quiet, to me at least.

Not having a built-in optical drive is a little annoying when you're installing all your software but during law school I doubt I'll miss it much.

I'd recommend that if you get the T that you go for the 15 inch model.  You might as well have that extra inch if you're buying a bigger laptop anyway.

If there are any particular areas you'd like me to address, let me know what you're looking to find out.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 05, 2006, 06:44:04 AM
Typhoon, is the X60 all you thought it would be? I remember you said you liked it, but more, man, we want more!
I'm still deciding between the T and the X.

I'm loving the X60s.  It's astounding just how fast the machine while still being so portable.  Even with low voltage processor it beats out my Athlon 64 desktop replacement laptop in every category.  After doing my memory and hard drive upgrades I can't imagine having any other machine. 

I was worried that I might have made a mistake by not getting the T series.  I've found that the screen realestate is adequate for me, the keyboard feels great, and the weight makes up for any whistles and bells the T has.  It is hands down the fastest machine I've ever used.  I know the T series machines are even faster and with dedicated GPUs would kill the X series in gaming, but that's not what I'm planning to do with the machine.

Beyond performance, I love the no-nonsense design of the Thinkpads (and it still has the tri-color IBM logo which relieves me).  And it is built like a brick shithouse; I can imagine it surviving law school without any problems.  Plus it's pretty darn quiet, to me at least.

Not having a built-in optical drive is a little annoying when you're installing all your software but during law school I doubt I'll miss it much.

I'd recommend that if you get the T that you go for the 15 inch model.  You might as well have that extra inch if you're buying a bigger laptop anyway.

If there are any particular areas you'd like me to address, let me know what you're looking to find out.

I'm still curious about the screen.  I'm just concerned that I'll go crazy squinting at 12" for 3 years.  Does it seem like it will be annoying for exams/class?

If I end up getting the T, I'm just getting the 14" to save lbs.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 05, 2006, 07:24:21 AM
I'm still curious about the screen.  I'm just concerned that I'll go crazy squinting at 12" for 3 years.  Does it seem like it will be annoying for exams/class?

If I end up getting the T, I'm just getting the 14" to save lbs.

The screen on the X series is very clear and can be very bright.  I find that I keep it closer to me than my 15.4" DTR but that the X series is easier to see.  The question isn't so much about visibility as it is screen real estate: how much do you want to see all at one time?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 05, 2006, 08:31:37 AM
i'm willing to pay more to have someone else who knows what they're doing build it for me. i won't be building my own.

Fair enough, but it's stupid easy.  I'm sure that somewhere, someplace, someone is training a monkey to install HDs in enclosures right now.  It depends on what you buy but some don't even have screws to undo and ones that require a tool send it with the enclosure.  They all have glossy pictures to show you how to do it.  It'll take 5 minutes or less if you are mechanically competent and 10 minutes if you're not.  The difference between DIY and premade: 4 screws (maybe) and inserting two connectors.  It's like getting free money - depending on what you save, it could be like getting paid $500 an hour for your time.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: jmorrow on June 05, 2006, 08:40:00 AM
i'm willing to pay more to have someone else who knows what they're doing build it for me. i won't be building my own.
Fair enough, but it's stupid easy.

It is ridiculously easy, but then again, I have yet to see an enclosure that was as good, quiet, small, and well-built as a good external HD. And some of the best external HDs are really quite cheap.

I have one of these that I've been using for backup and I really like it:

http://www.buy.com/prod/LaCie_250GB_USB_2_0_External_Hard_Drive_Design_by_F_A_Porsche_300728U/q/loc/101/10359999.html

At $130, that's not that much more than you paid to build it up yourself and, in my opinion, the differences are probably worth it (especially if, as seems to be the case for samesongtwice, you're not eager to be fussing with master/slave jumpers).

EDIT: Although I have not personally used it, this also seems like an excellent bet:

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10384870&adid=17070&dcaid=17070

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: boyhoosier on June 05, 2006, 09:42:22 AM
Is a 60 GB hard drive enough for law school?  I can get a 100 GB 5400 rpm or a 60 GB 7200 rpm for roughly the same price w/ my Dell that I'm about to order.  I wonder if it's worth sacrificing space for increased speed?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 05, 2006, 09:53:23 AM
Is a 60 GB hard drive enough for law school?  I can get a 100 GB 5400 rpm or a 60 GB 7200 rpm for roughly the same price w/ my Dell that I'm about to order.  I wonder if it's worth sacrificing space for increased speed?

Go with the 60GB... that's a faster spinning HD and will give you better performance.  You're going to be in law school, not ripping movies to your HD all day.

That said, I don't understand you people with the 250GB HDs - wtf are you storing on these bad boys?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: jmorrow on June 05, 2006, 10:22:37 AM
Go with the 60GB... that's a faster spinning HD and will give you better performance.  You're going to be in law school, not ripping movies to your HD all day.

That said, I don't understand you people with the 250GB HDs - wtf are you storing on these bad boys?

You pretty much said it yourself. It's all movies and music. (In my defense, I've also done video editing, which can be pretty hefty.) A person has to put the entire series run of Thundercats somewhere, doesn't he? 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 05, 2006, 10:56:09 AM
A person has to put the entire series run of Thundercats somewhere, doesn't he? 

Yes.  The Recycle Bin.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: asdf1234 on June 05, 2006, 11:27:21 AM

New topic:

Backing up data with just a USB or Backing up data with an external harddrive?

If I get the external harddrive I should also get the USB right?

Would a good USB be adequate?  I mean I might lose the USB but I doubt I will lose the USB and break the laptop in the same day...

I also have an old (4 year) somewhat dinosaur-y desktop that I could keep around as a little backup system for the most important docs... but I doubt I would USB in and out of it every day (or even every week...)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on June 05, 2006, 11:30:41 AM
If you're just going to be saving your LS notes and papers, you could get away with less than 1 gig for all three years, if that gives you any idea of what a gig is.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on June 05, 2006, 11:35:15 AM
The screen on the X series is very clear and can be very bright.  I find that I keep it closer to me than my 15.4" DTR but that the X series is easier to see.  The question isn't so much about visibility as it is screen real estate: how much do you want to see all at one time?

That last question is a good one. I'm currently using a 23" Mac widescreen LCD monitor. This morning I was on a 12" Dell 700m. The text is about the same size on both monitors. The difference is that the Mac can hold so much more of it, of course it never does.

I'm thinking that a 12" monitor will be fine.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: asdf1234 on June 05, 2006, 11:35:48 AM
If you're just going to be saving your LS notes and papers, you could get away with less than 1 gig for all three years, if that gives you any idea of what a gig is.


No, I do.

I'll need more than that for other stuff (movies! yay!) but I really don't think the world will end if I lose some crappy TV shows.

Its more about the security of the external harddrive, which would stay safely on my desk.

I can see an instance of me losing my backpack/messanger bag which contains both the USB and the laptop...

This vision just answered my question for me actually.  External Harddrive it is.  
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 05, 2006, 12:24:53 PM
If you're just going to be saving your LS notes and papers, you could get away with less than 1 gig for all three years, if that gives you any idea of what a gig is.


No, I do.

I'll need more than that for other stuff (movies! yay!) but I really don't think the world will end if I lose some crappy TV shows.

Its more about the security of the external harddrive, which would stay safely on my desk.

I can see an instance of me losing my backpack/messanger bag which contains both the USB and the laptop...

This vision just answered my question for me actually.  External Harddrive it is.  

You keep referring to USB in your posts as something you can store information on.  USB is the protocol that makes communication possible between devices.  You store information on a drive (either flash, as in a USB drive, or disk-based, as in external hard drives), not on a protocol.  Moreover, USB is used in both USB thumb drives, to which you're probably referring to, and external hard drives. 

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 05, 2006, 12:53:03 PM
This is redundant.

I don't think so.  Read what I said again. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 05, 2006, 01:29:52 PM
This is redundant.

I don't think so.  Read what I said again. 

I think so.  Read what I said again.  I was referring to the bolded part.

I just figured if you'd nitpick, I'd nitpick too.

First of all, it's on you to explain why it is redundant.  And yes, I know you were referring to the bolded part. 

Second, is it nitpicking anytime and every time someone points out anything on this site?  I did it so that he/she would be better informed, in case they weren't aware that what they were saying did not match what they might have meant to say.  Because the poster had done it in two separate posts, it seemed as if they didn't.  There was no condescension there.  Certainly, what I said was not wrong. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: revelareveritas on June 05, 2006, 01:35:50 PM
I have to say, I hate ultraportables... I Love a large screen with good graphics and enough RAM to sun my music and games as well as productivity software. Desktop Publishing software and games almost necessitate such features anyway, IMHO...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 05, 2006, 02:10:35 PM
It is ridiculously easy, but then again, I have yet to see an enclosure that was as good, quiet, small, and well-built as a good external HD. And some of the best external HDs are really quite cheap.

I have one of these that I've been using for backup and I really like it:

http://www.buy.com/prod/LaCie_250GB_USB_2_0_External_Hard_Drive_Design_by_F_A_Porsche_300728U/q/loc/101/10359999.html

At $130, that's not that much more than you paid to build it up yourself and, in my opinion, the differences are probably worth it (especially if, as seems to be the case for samesongtwice, you're not eager to be fussing with master/slave jumpers).

EDIT: Although I have not personally used it, this also seems like an excellent bet:

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10384870&adid=17070&dcaid=17070

I definitely looked at the Lacie; I wasn't happy about the reviews, I couldn't find who manufactures Lacie's actual HDs, and I couldn't find anyone that said they got it to work with Ghost.  I would trust a pre-built drive from Maxtor or Western Digital (which are twice as expensive) but Lacie doesn't seem to be as focussed on quality as they used to be.  Plus, if your drive goes to hell you can't always pop a new one into a pre-made solution.  I'll take a well reviewed enclosure and reputable HD maker to a sketchy sounding.  As for the Fantoms, there seem to be abnormal numbers of complaints and it has a small cache size.  When you're move GB size files you start to notice things like that.

Generally you don't have to mess with Master/Slave...they come with the jumper on CS (Cable Select) which decent enclosures are fine with using.

There are some high quality enclosure you can buy but I don't think the Lacie or Fantom cases are particularly good quality.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 05, 2006, 02:15:46 PM
That said, I don't understand you people with the 250GB HDs - wtf are you storing on these bad boys?

In addition to general media stuff and software: do some audio editing, have VMWare images for a variety of systems, and create periodic drive images of a 20GB partition and you will see the GBs add up.  If I have a HD failure and everything goes Foobar, I want to be able drop in a new drive and be in a ready state in about 30 minutes.  It's worth a few extra bucks to have that kind of piece of mind.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 05, 2006, 03:01:56 PM
There are some high quality enclosure you can buy but I don't think the Lacie or Fantom cases are particularly good quality.

Do you have any recommendations?  I've been looking for enclosures, but haven't come across any that I liked.  And is there a rule somewhere that says usb enclosures have to be eye-sores?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Juliebulie on June 05, 2006, 04:13:31 PM
Rather than start a new thread I figured I'd post my laptop question here. After being accepted to school a very generous relative suprised and gifted me with a new laptop.  It's beautiful, it's just massive.  It's 17" wide and weighs close to a ton.  After reading much of this thread and others, I'm fearing that it will be impossible to lug it to school everyday and use it to take notes in class. Regardless, I don't know if I can purchase another one and keep a clean conscience., I definately can't sell this one.  Any suggestions, should I purchase a super cheap portable one for school?  Or Should I just suck it up and carry this Giant? 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 05, 2006, 04:39:41 PM
Rather than start a new thread I figured I'd post my laptop question here. After being accepted to school a very generous relative suprised and gifted me with a new laptop.  It's beautiful, it's just massive.  It's 17" wide and weighs close to a ton.  After reading much of this thread and others, I'm fearing that it will be impossible to lug it to school everyday and use it to take notes in class. Regardless, I don't know if I can purchase another one and keep a clean conscience., I definately can't sell this one.  Any suggestions, should I purchase a super cheap portable one for school?  Or Should I just suck it up and carry this Giant? 

Exchange is the best idea if you can manage it.  If you can't...some people have those rolling suitcases for all of their LS stuff - kinda douchey though.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: habeas dorkus! on June 05, 2006, 04:48:37 PM
Rather than start a new thread I figured I'd post my laptop question here. After being accepted to school a very generous relative suprised and gifted me with a new laptop.  It's beautiful, it's just massive.  It's 17" wide and weighs close to a ton.  After reading much of this thread and others, I'm fearing that it will be impossible to lug it to school everyday and use it to take notes in class. Regardless, I don't know if I can purchase another one and keep a clean conscience., I definately can't sell this one.  Any suggestions, should I purchase a super cheap portable one for school?  Or Should I just suck it up and carry this Giant? 


I'm in a similar situation. I decided to keep my 17" Dell XPS as a portable desktop (and only move it when really necessary) and purchase a slightly used 12" IBM Thinkpad to take to class. I paid a little more for some unneccessary bells and whistles, but you should be able to pick up a 12" on eBay that will suit your purposes for about $500.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 05, 2006, 09:41:35 PM
Do you have any recommendations?  I've been looking for enclosures, but haven't come across any that I liked.  And is there a rule somewhere that says usb enclosures have to be eye-sores?

Yeah, I'm not sure who exactly is designing these things - it must be 14 year old boys.  I think Lacie has a solution that looks like a giant lego brick.

Some of the more expensive enclosures look nice:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010090092+1053807123+1054107130+1054207132&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=92
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Juliebulie on June 06, 2006, 06:03:16 AM
Rather than start a new thread I figured I'd post my laptop question here. After being accepted to school a very generous relative suprised and gifted me with a new laptop.  It's beautiful, it's just massive.  It's 17" wide and weighs close to a ton.  After reading much of this thread and others, I'm fearing that it will be impossible to lug it to school everyday and use it to take notes in class. Regardless, I don't know if I can purchase another one and keep a clean conscience., I definately can't sell this one.  Any suggestions, should I purchase a super cheap portable one for school?  Or Should I just suck it up and carry this Giant? 


I'm in a similar situation. I decided to keep my 17" Dell XPS as a portable desktop (and only move it when really necessary) and purchase a slightly used 12" IBM Thinkpad to take to class. I paid a little more for some unneccessary bells and whistles, but you should be able to pick up a 12" on eBay that will suit your purposes for about $500.


I might have to do this, just get a very basic one for notes, etc.  What would you suggest, any particular brand?  What should I look for:used, refurbished?  This will be my first Laptop purchase personally.  I'm not tech savy and don't really know what the minimum specks should be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
Julie 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 06, 2006, 12:34:12 PM
So should I get a Dell XPS m1210 or an Inspiron 710m?

Or am I being dumb buying a Dell? Is Lenovo better? I had a ThinkPad in college and it was kind of expensive for the specs.

Someone decide for me.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 06, 2006, 12:41:44 PM
So should I get a Dell XPS m1210 or an Inspiron 710m?

Or am I being dumb buying a Dell? Is Lenovo better? I had a ThinkPad in college and it was kind of expensive for the specs.

Someone decide for me.

Lenovo is better.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law-Man on June 06, 2006, 12:42:31 PM
But Dell is Cheaper
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 06, 2006, 12:45:46 PM
yeah that's why i am confused. why is lenovo better? and do the benefits outweigh the fact that dell is cheaper?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 06, 2006, 12:46:54 PM
yeah that's why i am confused. why is lenovo better? and do the benefits outweigh the fact that dell is cheaper?

Lenovo will last longer, be more reliable, work better overall. You get what you pay for.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: asdf1234 on June 06, 2006, 02:00:08 PM
yeah that's why i am confused. why is lenovo better? and do the benefits outweigh the fact that dell is cheaper?

Lenovo will last longer, be more reliable, work better overall. You get what you pay for.

Yeah.

I'd rather have a run of the mill computer that will actually work rather than some shoddily thrown together collection of impressive components.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Tiwaz on June 06, 2006, 03:33:03 PM
Like I said, the fan on the 710m seems very quiet to me.  I can't compare it with any other (new) laptops, but it makes a lot less noise than both my desktop and my 4-year old HP laptop.

On the subject on quality vs. price-- my feeling is that you'll only keep your laptop three years or so, no matter how much you spend on it.  Investing in quality is all well and good, but I'm wary of spending much on something that doesn't last long.  On the other hand, I don't know your finances, so I don't know what's the best choice for you.

It may be helpful to consider just how big a quality gap you're dealing with.  I've cited the Consumer Reports data on computer repairs in another thread.  Anyway, the new June 2006 survey information is out.  Here are the relevant portions:

The tables show the percentage of the following brands of laptop and desktop computers bought between 2001 and 2005 that have ever been repaired or had a serious problem. Differences of less than 4 points are not meaningful for desktops, less than 3 points for laptops. Gateway was among the more repair-prone brands of desktops. Models within a brand may vary, and changes in design or manufacture may affect reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair history can improve your odds of getting a reliable model.
 
[...]
Laptops

                      REPAIRS
Sony                    16
IBM                     16
Toshiba                 17
Apple                   17
HP                      18
Dell                    18
Compaq                  19
Gateway                 19

Data are based on more than 49,000 responses to our Annual Product Reliability Survey, conducted by the Consumer Reports National Research Center. Data have been adjusted to eliminate differences between brands solely linked to age and usage.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: phooey on June 06, 2006, 09:10:38 PM
I've got the hots for the cute Sony Vaio series F7 notebooks- (specifically the jade green one)- I wonder if it would be better to go with something more conventional looking, though.

Anybody out there using a snazzy-looking ibook or vaio in ls and beyond?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: phooey on June 06, 2006, 09:18:59 PM
next..   :-*
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 06, 2006, 09:19:49 PM
I've been thinking about ordering one of the P-P-P-Powerbooks...

http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/index.html
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: phooey on June 06, 2006, 09:23:23 PM
that's kind of funny.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Tyrael on June 06, 2006, 10:53:34 PM
Hi everyone.  I wish to spend $400 or less on a really small laptop.  I would use the laptop only for taking notes in class and possibly checking the internet.  I don't need any fancy applications or hardcore processing speed.  I already have an ACER laptop that I purchased a year ago and this monstrosity is way too big to carry to class.  (This laptop is like the Escalade of laptops...)  Does anyone have any suggestions for a really cheap laptop that would be reliable enough for me to take to class?  Thanks in advance. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: habeas dorkus! on June 07, 2006, 02:01:20 AM
Rather than start a new thread I figured I'd post my laptop question here. After being accepted to school a very generous relative suprised and gifted me with a new laptop.  It's beautiful, it's just massive.  It's 17" wide and weighs close to a ton.  After reading much of this thread and others, I'm fearing that it will be impossible to lug it to school everyday and use it to take notes in class. Regardless, I don't know if I can purchase another one and keep a clean conscience., I definately can't sell this one.  Any suggestions, should I purchase a super cheap portable one for school?  Or Should I just suck it up and carry this Giant? 


I'm in a similar situation. I decided to keep my 17" Dell XPS as a portable desktop (and only move it when really necessary) and purchase a slightly used 12" IBM Thinkpad to take to class. I paid a little more for some unneccessary bells and whistles, but you should be able to pick up a 12" on eBay that will suit your purposes for about $500.


I might have to do this, just get a very basic one for notes, etc.  What would you suggest, any particular brand?  What should I look for:used, refurbished?  This will be my first Laptop purchase personally.  I'm not tech savy and don't really know what the minimum specks should be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
Julie 

From my experience, if you're looking for something solely for the purpose of word processing, the model you pick doesn't matter that much. If you're looking at auction sites, I'd recommend trying to find something that's used, but not refurbished -- it's hard to know what you're getting with refurbished machines. Try to figure out the specs you'll need for basic stuff -- I went a little overboard with my 2nd laptop, plus I'm a gamer, so I may not be the best person to ask about basic specs. But I'm sure there are plenty of people in this thread who could tell you exactly what to look for. For my money, I found Thinkpads to be a great deal -- but that depends on how much you want to spend.

Sorry if this post isn't very helpful.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SapientiaEstPotentia on June 07, 2006, 09:52:47 PM
This is mainly for the tech experts but open to the general LSD public. What’s up with HP?

I herd they produce reliable technology. 
My uncle works in Silicon valley and the rumor is that HP is working on some cutting edge Nano technology to be integrated  with upcoming floor models.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on June 08, 2006, 05:26:59 AM
my laptop has broken already - i miss my powerbook
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on June 08, 2006, 05:52:06 AM
something to do with the system board...i have noooooooo idea but  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on June 08, 2006, 05:57:42 AM
yep! it is.  i have the worst luck with laptops.  the only one w/o problems was the vaio.  my first apple was an ibook and it had a bad logic board.  i returned it and got a powerbook and something happened with that (minor).  sigh.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 09, 2006, 08:46:41 AM
Now for the other end of the spectrum:  what is the cheapest laptop I can possibly get with these specs:

ExamSoft has the following requirements:
At least: 1Ghz CPU, 256MB RAM, 50MB free hard disk space
Windows XP
Wireless networking

It only has to last a year, tops.  I want a Macbook once Leopard comes out, so I just need something crappy to bide my time on... I'll still keep all my good stuff--photos, music, etc-- on my G4 desktop, so all I need is word processing capability and ExamSoft.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 09, 2006, 09:33:33 AM
Now for the other end of the spectrum:  what is the cheapest laptop I can possibly get with these specs:

ExamSoft has the following requirements:
At least: 1Ghz CPU, 256MB RAM, 50MB free hard disk space
Windows XP
Wireless networking

It only has to last a year, tops.  I want a Macbook once Leopard comes out, so I just need something crappy to bide my time on... I'll still keep all my good stuff--photos, music, etc-- on my G4 desktop, so all I need is word processing capability and ExamSoft.

Thoughts?


eBay baby.
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&satitle=1Ghz+laptop&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=84103&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi= (http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&from=R10&satitle=1Ghz+laptop&sacat=-1%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=84103&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 09, 2006, 09:39:55 AM
Now for the other end of the spectrum:  what is the cheapest laptop I can possibly get with these specs:

ExamSoft has the following requirements:
At least: 1Ghz CPU, 256MB RAM, 50MB free hard disk space
Windows XP
Wireless networking

It only has to last a year, tops.  I want a Macbook once Leopard comes out, so I just need something crappy to bide my time on... I'll still keep all my good stuff--photos, music, etc-- on my G4 desktop, so all I need is word processing capability and ExamSoft.

Thoughts?


I would buy refurbished from a big name place.  Dell has a 14" Inspiron refurb. for $429 right now.

I saw these--do you think they'll hold up for a year?  If you buy refurb, do you get a warranty?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 09, 2006, 09:53:07 AM
do you guys think the 3 year warranties are worth the extra cost?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 09, 2006, 10:03:00 AM
I guess then I will spend the money on a good warranty...I don't really know if I should get 2GB of RAM instead of 1, or if I should get a big hard drive as opposed to a 60GB one.

I know that law school doesn't require the best laptop in the world.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 09, 2006, 10:12:45 AM
Yeah, I think 60GB is fine for me...my 3 year old laptop is 60GB and it still has 35 GB free.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on June 09, 2006, 01:23:48 PM
Anyone have anything to say about the Lenovo 3000 series?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on June 09, 2006, 02:02:28 PM
Anyone have anything to say about the Lenovo 3000 series?

It's basically a cheap model put out by Lenovo. Its durability and reliability are likely to be much worse than a Thinkpad.

The problem is, nobody has really had a 3000 or dealt with Lenovo's own line of laptops before, so it's still hard to predict how reliable they will be.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 09, 2006, 02:20:39 PM
i looked at the lenovo but i figured i would be better off with a thinkpad.

i am still debating the thinkpad x60 and the dell xps m1210 though.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: addietoby on June 09, 2006, 06:05:44 PM
Do any stores have Thinkpads in stock or are they only available online? I am debating whether to get a Macbook or Thinkpad, but want to see it in person first!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 09, 2006, 06:19:38 PM
Do any stores have Thinkpads in stock or are they only available online? I am debating whether to get a Macbook or Thinkpad, but want to see it in person first!

i heard best buy was going to get them but the one near me doesn't have them
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on June 10, 2006, 10:40:13 AM
Anyone who bought the Lenovo z60m think it is heavy?

Also are all the Z series widescreens or are only a few?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: mizzmj on June 10, 2006, 11:27:01 AM
I just ordered a ThinkPad R60.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 10, 2006, 04:17:16 PM
Anyone who bought the Lenovo z60m think it is heavy?

Also are all the Z series widescreens or are only a few?

I have the Z60M. It is on the heavier side but still light enough in my opinion. I am more concerned about the bulkiness really...but even that isn't that bad. The battery sticks out in the back, that is the biggest "problem" i guess, but I LOVE the widescrean and the excellent lighting that the screen has. It is a good machine.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: socalaw on June 11, 2006, 05:39:34 PM
im looking to buy a laptop for ls and basically i need it for all the basics like internet, word processing, music, watching dvds, etc. but i will also be doing some minor video editing on it. i've done a lot of research and im probably gonna get the dell xps m1210. im just wondering if 1GB ram will be enough for what i'll be doing or do i have to shell out the extra money for a 2GB? also will a 1.83ghz processor be enough? and what's the difference b/w a shared intel core duo processor and regular intel core duo processor? thanks!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 11, 2006, 05:45:30 PM
im looking to buy a laptop for ls and basically i need it for all the basics like internet, word processing, music, watching dvds, etc. but i will also be doing some minor video editing on it. i've done a lot of research and im probably gonna get the dell xps m1210. im just wondering if 1GB ram will be enough for what i'll be doing or do i have to shell out the extra money for a 2GB? also will a 1.83ghz processor be enough? and what's the difference b/w a shared intel core duo processor and regular intel core duo processor? thanks!

You do not need 2 gigs of RAM for LS. You could probably do just fine with 512 MB. In fact, I am amazed how much so little can buy these days. As for the Core duo vs Core solo - get the core duo. Not because you'll need it - only because you won't pay much of a price penalty for it.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: socalaw on June 11, 2006, 05:51:05 PM
im looking to buy a laptop for ls and basically i need it for all the basics like internet, word processing, music, watching dvds, etc. but i will also be doing some minor video editing on it. i've done a lot of research and im probably gonna get the dell xps m1210. im just wondering if 1GB ram will be enough for what i'll be doing or do i have to shell out the extra money for a 2GB? also will a 1.83ghz processor be enough? and what's the difference b/w a shared intel core duo processor and regular intel core duo processor? thanks!

You do not need 2 gigs of RAM for LS. You could probably do just fine with 512 MB. In fact, I am amazed how much so little can buy these days. As for the Core duo vs Core solo - get the core duo. Not because you'll need it - only because you won't pay much of a price penalty for it.

Oingo

I know I don't need 2 gigs of RAM for LS but will it help with the video editing that i'll be doing?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Vannabunny on June 11, 2006, 05:52:15 PM
I'm not AT ALL a techie.... how are the Sony Vaios??? Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Vannabunny on June 11, 2006, 05:54:03 PM
Really? may i ask why?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 11, 2006, 06:28:57 PM
Really? may i ask why?

I don't like the keyboard on the VAIO.  Feels cheap to me...

Generally, I'd say avoid anything you can buy at BestBuy.  Shop Lenovo (IBM) or Dell for the best PCs.  Just my personal opinion.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 11, 2006, 10:13:10 PM
Really? may i ask why?

I don't think theres anything that bad about them, they just used to have a better rep.  I think it's more about not getting what you pay for with them, they are twice the price of Dell with no real good reason IMO.  Especially not if you just want a good computer for LS use.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: tonic on June 11, 2006, 10:21:59 PM
Really? may i ask why?

I don't like the keyboard on the VAIO.  Feels cheap to me...

Generally, I'd say avoid anything you can buy at BestBuy.  Shop Lenovo (IBM) or Dell for the best PCs.   Just my personal opinion.

Does this apply to laptops as well? I'm really considering a Dell, but I've heard their laptops are prone to hardware problems.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 11, 2006, 10:24:13 PM
Really? may i ask why?

I don't like the keyboard on the VAIO.  Feels cheap to me...

Generally, I'd say avoid anything you can buy at BestBuy.  Shop Lenovo (IBM) or Dell for the best PCs.   Just my personal opinion.

Does this apply to laptops as well? I'm really considering a Dell, but I've heard their laptops are prone to hardware problems.

I wouldn't go so far as to say to avoid anything at Best Buy. 

I'm personally a little computer savvy, so I went with a Dell, and I'm pretty confident that with some anti-virus and no shady downloading, I'll be fine.  If you're worried, just make sure that whatever laptop you get is fully covered by warranty/insurance and back up often (USB drive etc.) and you won't have any problems no matter what route you take.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: tonic on June 11, 2006, 10:25:36 PM
Good call. Thankfully, my LS has a great service program that includes free loaner computers if yours is busted for any reason.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on June 11, 2006, 11:09:20 PM
Really? may i ask why?

Sony has constantly had problems with their computers. I've never seen a Vaio that lasted longer than a year, but then again my friends and I like to have things exactly the way we want it when it comes to our computers. I pulled this off of notebookreview.com:

Quote
Conclusion

I think this is a great little ultraportable for anyone who wants the latest technology in a small package. As of this writing, the Sony SZ line simply has no peer. It is the most full-featured Core Duo ultraportable series currently available, and if you don't want to sacrifice power for portability, this would be the series to get. Whether you should get the 110B or another SZ depends on your specific needs and budget. For me, this was the only SZ model I could afford, and honestly, it's not all that different from the other SZs. The lowest-priced model already has everything I need.

Though I don't like Sony very much, I am quite happy with the notebook itself. I dislike the company's pricing, policies and support/service, but I have to say that the products themselves are usually pretty good.

Pros

    * Small, sleek, and light
    * Powerful and fast
    * Internal optical drive
    * Hybrid Graphics System
    * An abundance of technologies that aren't often found in ultraportables (Core Duo, 13.3" widescreen, FireWire, ExpressCard, webcam, fingerprint sensor, etc.)
    * Full-size keyboard
    * Only notebook in its class that offers so much in one package

Cons

    * Mediocre battery life
    * Expensive
    * Can be a bit noisy at times
    * Poor port layout
    * Poor software package
    * No included manual or CDs
    * Poor drivers availability
    * Poor tech support
    * Comes with Windows XP Home instead of Professional or Media Center Edition

In summary: This is a very powerful ultraportable, but that's not something everyone needs. If you want portability but you're only doing office or school work with Microsoft Word and Internet Explorer, a Core Duo processor and the 7400 graphics card are overkill. You can get lighter notebooks with longer battery lives for less money if you stick with a Pentium M processor and integrated graphics. You probably won't notice the difference.

Or, if performance matters to you but mobility isn't crucial, there are many slightly bigger and heavier notebooks that are faster and cost less. In this case, an ultraportable form factor may not be necessary.

Since the Core Duo processor is still a relatively new product, not every notebook manufacturer has had time to switch over. If you're not in a hurry, it might be wise to wait a few months to see what comes out. But if you want a notebook that can combine portability and speed and you want it now, the SZ might just be what you're looking for.



In the end I have to agree that for what we will do in Law School and eventually as Lawyers Lenovo and Dell are the best choices. I've never owned a Lenovo but I have owned IBMs from back in the day; they're still chugging along fairly well for being almost eight years old (Lenovo bought IBM's laptop production). Buy the Dell or shell out the bucks for a Thinkpad.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 11, 2006, 11:16:08 PM
AVOID SONY VAIOs.

They are poorly designed and shoddily manufactured. They not only break easily but are also a pain in the ASS to repair because of stupid design features (e.g. inaccessible hard drives buried under other components, parts made of plastic when safety calls for metal, and heat sinks hastily glued to the processors in such a way that makes processor repairs/adjustments likely to require shipment back to the vendor or service depot).

During UG I worked for several years in IT support. Dell and IBM hardware was generally easy to fix when it broke. On the other hand, Sony hardware was extraordinarily easy to break when fixing it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: tonic on June 11, 2006, 11:32:50 PM
Since you happened to work on them...what were the most common problems with Dells? My last laptop's power switch broke, and that was infuriating.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 12, 2006, 06:25:48 PM
Since you happened to work on them...what were the most common problems with Dells? My last laptop's power switch broke, and that was infuriating.

The most common problem I encountered on Dells was probably keyboard failure, either from keys getting worn down and falling off or else from people dumping liquids on their computers. After that, other problems like video card malfunction/system board failure/broken fan occurred with approximately equal (but low) frequency.

I'm not sure if I ever encountered a broken power switch on a Dell laptop, but if it is actually the switch that is broken (as opposed to the socket on the system board that the switch plugs into), the repair job is very fast and could probably be performed by the user himself/herself. It takes 2 days for the replacement part to arrive and no more than 5 minutes to swap out the plastic component containing the power switch. It's on the outside of the machine and thus easily accessible.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 12, 2006, 07:16:01 PM
I'm not sure if I ever encountered a broken power switch on a Dell laptop, but if it is actually the switch that is broken (as opposed to the socket on the system board that the switch plugs into), the repair job is very fast and could probably be performed by the user himself/herself. It takes 2 days for the replacement part to arrive and no more than 5 minutes to swap out the plastic component containing the power switch. It's on the outside of the machine and thus easily accessible.

Really? Because my girlfriend's socket busted (the socket on the back of the computer with the pin--the pin broke off), and when Dell came on-site to repair it, they had to install a completely new motherboard. Had to rip the computer limb from limb to install that thing, something no layperson could ever have done.

Are you talking about the socket that the AC adapter plugs into? If so, yes, replacing that component would probably require a full system board replacement, involving an hour or two of work by an expert technician.

However, the original question was about the computer's on/off button, and if it is that button itself that is broken (or the cable connector that attaches it to the system board), it takes only 5 minutes for a layman to replace.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on June 12, 2006, 08:02:46 PM
Just wanted to say my Z60t is totally sweet.  The keyboard is ... so nice.  IBM is definitly the move people.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 12, 2006, 08:48:55 PM
Just wanted to say my Z60t is totally sweet.  The keyboard is ... so nice.  IBM is definitly the move people.

Totally agreed. Great machine and the keyboard just makes it awesome. Folks, you don't know what a good laptop keyboard is until you've tried one of these.

Seconded.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on June 12, 2006, 10:28:34 PM
Ordered my 14" Z60t today.  ;D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 13, 2006, 05:49:12 AM
Ordered my 14" Z60t today.  ;D

Aren't those on a Pentium M processor? The Z61t's are available soon.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Ever on June 13, 2006, 05:50:42 AM
Ordered my 14" Z60t today.  ;D

Aren't those on a Pentium M processor? The Z61t's are available soon.

With the duo core?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StepUpT0theMike on June 13, 2006, 06:42:26 AM
I can get the following system through my school's computer store for $1589.  Does anyone know if I can expect a better deal through IBM without EPP?  What about with EPP?


Lenovo Mainstream Thinkpad
Item #W40341

Lenovo ThinkPad Z61T, 14" WXGA Wide Screen
Intel Centrino Core Duo
processor, T2500 (2.0 GHz)
1 gigabyte RAM (1 DIMM)
100 gigabyte hard drive, 5400 rpm
128 megabyte video RAM
DVD MultiBurner
Intel 802.11a/b/g wireless
56k modem
Gigabit Ethernet
4-cell Lithium-Ion battery
1.22 inches thin, 4.42 pounds
Microsoft Windows XP Pro
Mighty 8 Surge Protector
PC Guardian Security Cable
Ethernet Cable, 25'
Microsoft Office Professional Included

4 Year PC Protection Warranty
PC Protection is a 4-year comprehensive warranty covering electronic failure, cracked screens, liquid spills, and broken plastic. PC Protection does NOT cover theft.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 13, 2006, 07:33:27 AM
for the people above, the Z60M is even nicer. :) Think Z60T with a slightly bigger and MUCH brighter screen. :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 13, 2006, 07:45:41 AM
I'm totally in love with my thinkpad.

Am I invited to the wedding? ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 13, 2006, 08:07:19 AM
Quesh for you PC people: what's the difference between Windows Home and Windows Professional?

I am looking for something just to tide me over this year (until the Macbooks get their new OS, and the kinks with running Windows on a Mac are worked out).  I was going to go with a refurbished Dell, but then I saw these Thinkpads for $799:

http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PromotionDisplay?promoId=1074819925&catalogId=-840&storeId=10000001&langId=-1&re=home_C_us&trac=HPC
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 13, 2006, 08:15:04 AM
Quesh for you PC people: what's the difference between Windows Home and Windows Professional?


Pro has any more networking options and allows you to logon to a domain.  Home does not have these functions.  There are a couple of other things but that is the biggie.  Your law school may require you to have pro.
.

Where, oh where, is the updated version of the R200 from Toshiba?  I want my CoreDuo (I'll even take CoreSolo) in that chassis!

Thanks--I just checked after I read this, and you're right.  Guess I'm going with something from the Dell outlet.  BOO.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 13, 2006, 08:19:00 AM
Thanks--I just checked after I read this, and you're right.  Guess I'm going with something from the Dell outlet.  BOO.

Give Lenovo a call and ask them how much it would be to upgrade to XP Pro on the particular machine you want; sometimes they can do things over the phone that can't be done online.  It might be far less than you expect.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 13, 2006, 08:26:11 AM
I'm totally in love with my thinkpad.

Am I invited to the wedding? ;)

best man

WOOHOo!!!! at least I am not the main course!!! :D ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on June 13, 2006, 09:17:51 AM
I'm totally in love with my thinkpad.

Am I invited to the wedding? ;)

best man

WOOHOo!!!! at least I am not the main course!!! :D ;)

Not unless you are filet mignon! ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: krumanadi on June 13, 2006, 09:19:31 AM
Ordered my 14" Z60t today.  ;D

Aren't those on a Pentium M processor? The Z61t's are available soon.

With the duo core?

Yeah it has the duo core, but I dont think the additional $$$ is worth the duo core.  You can get the 60 much cheaper now cause the 61 is out.  It depends on what you use the laptop for.  If you're using a lot of multi-layered programs, spending the extra $$$ for the duo core might be worth it.  If not, the 60 is the move.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on June 13, 2006, 10:18:24 AM
I got my laptops on Friday.  I couldnt decide between the T60 and the X60, so I decided to get both.  They are sweeeeeeet!  Lenovo is the way to go.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 13, 2006, 10:43:33 AM
I got my laptops on Friday.  I couldnt decide between the T60 and the X60, so I decided to get both.  They are sweeeeeeet!  Lenovo is the way to go.

Are you joking?!?!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on June 13, 2006, 10:52:55 AM
was wondering that myself
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on June 13, 2006, 10:55:46 AM
Sad to say no.  There were genuine pros and cons to each for me:  Weight v size, Navpad v track point, optical drive v none, etc.  im a big impulse buyer so whgat the heck ill have uses for both in different situations.  Im happy with them and the fact that i got them both under 2,700 was even better.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 13, 2006, 11:03:14 AM
Man... y'all spend money like it's water!

I can't believe how much some posters are paying for their apartments... the only place where your rent should break $1k for ONE person is NYC, maybe San Fran... $1200 to live with a roommate in Cambridge  ???
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on June 13, 2006, 11:18:07 AM
I hear you but it add to the weight and thickness, defeating it purpose IMO.

Sad to say no.  There were genuine pros and cons to each for me:  Weight v size, Navpad v track point, optical drive v none, etc.  im a big impulse buyer so whgat the heck ill have uses for both in different situations.  Im happy with them and the fact that i got them both under 2,700 was even better.

X60 + dock + mouse + external hard drive > T60 + X60

EPP?

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 13, 2006, 11:47:28 AM
I don't want to spend a real lot of money...

I am debating not getting a good video card and all, it's not like I really need it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 13, 2006, 11:53:26 AM
Sad to say no.  There were genuine pros and cons to each for me:  Weight v size, Navpad v track point, optical drive v none, etc.  im a big impulse buyer so whgat the heck ill have uses for both in different situations.  Im happy with them and the fact that i got them both under 2,700 was even better.

Is that $2,700 for both or each one cost less than $2,700?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on June 13, 2006, 11:57:51 AM
Both, EPP.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 13, 2006, 12:44:05 PM
Both, EPP.

Where do you get EPP?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 13, 2006, 06:23:30 PM
Quesh for you PC people: what's the difference between Windows Home and Windows Professional?


Pro has any more networking options and allows you to logon to a domain.  Home does not have these functions.  There are a couple of other things but that is the biggie.  Your law school may require you to have pro.
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Where, oh where, is the updated version of the R200 from Toshiba?  I want my CoreDuo (I'll even take CoreSolo) in that chassis!

Just to add to this, I called my school worried about my recent purchase and the non-PRO edition and they did not require it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 13, 2006, 07:14:02 PM
some schools require XP pro, others don't.  best thing is to check. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 14, 2006, 12:03:21 AM
Some schools, including Yale, give out XP Pro for free through an agreement with Microsoft.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: monet on June 14, 2006, 09:23:29 AM
to all the vaio haters out there - i bought a refurbished vaio from best buy 2.5 years ago for $1000 and i have not had a single problem with it. it's a 12" 4lbs (i think) laptop with a dock that has the optical and floppy drives on it. i don't know anything about sonys besides my experience, however, looking on their website, the ones i'd be interested in now are very expensive.

i will be getting a new laptop for ls only because i'd like something new (considering the dell xps1210).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 14, 2006, 11:56:09 AM
to all the vaio haters out there - i bought a refurbished vaio from best buy 2.5 years ago for $1000 and i have not had a single problem with it. it's a 12" 4lbs (i think) laptop with a dock that has the optical and floppy drives on it. i don't know anything about sonys besides my experience, however, looking on their website, the ones i'd be interested in now are very expensive.

i will be getting a new laptop for ls only because i'd like something new (considering the dell xps1210).

Your experience seems to be the exception, not the rule.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: George Jefferson² on June 14, 2006, 12:00:36 PM
Gunner Laptop

(http://www.mobilewhack.com/images/dell_xps_m2010_mobile_concept_pc_1.jpg)
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 14, 2006, 12:03:25 PM
Gunner Laptop

Coming in at 18 pounds, that might be the douchiest machine someone could bring to law school.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 14, 2006, 12:04:01 PM
Gunner Laptop

http://www.mobilewhack.com/images/dell_xps_m2010_mobile_concept_pc_1.jpg[/img]
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs


Nah, the gunner laptop is a spiral-bound notebook.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: George Jefferson² on June 14, 2006, 12:06:56 PM
Gunner Laptop

That might be the douchiest machine someone could bring to law school.

I agree.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: asdf1234 on June 14, 2006, 12:47:04 PM
Gunner Laptop

That might be the douchiest machine someone could bring to law school.

I agree.

18 pounds isn't that much if you buy a rolly bag...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: dandlewood on June 14, 2006, 02:14:37 PM
Gunner Laptop

(http://www.mobilewhack.com/images/dell_xps_m2010_mobile_concept_pc_1.jpg)
http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs


Isn't that a desktop replacementish comp? I don't think it's technically a laptop... does it even have a battery?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: jrosh on June 15, 2006, 05:09:38 PM
I don't know if this question has been asked yet, but has anyone ever bought a laptop off Ebay?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 15, 2006, 11:03:56 PM
I don't know if this question has been asked yet, but has anyone ever bought a laptop off Ebay?

I think so.  I mean they have a whole section devoted to it on there.

What an obnoxious response. Then again, I wouldn't expect any less from a smart Alec.  ;D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 15, 2006, 11:21:51 PM
I don't know if this question has been asked yet, but has anyone ever bought a laptop off Ebay?

It would be hard to get me to recommend one of those...

Computers are one of those things that are kinda unsafe to buy from an unknown buyer...ESPECIALLY if you don't know enough about them....
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Pythagoras on June 16, 2006, 08:52:35 AM
I just got my new laptop from Dell on Wednesday.  (I kinda don't like it
very much)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 16, 2006, 09:14:21 AM
I just got my new laptop from Dell on Wednesday.  (I kinda don't like it
very much)

what model?  what don't you like?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 16, 2006, 09:55:41 AM
Clever.  I haven't heard that 12312394239203492934 times in my lifetime.  When I was in preschool, I would read Clifford books to my class, and since I was so precocious my teacher would sometimes refer to me jokingly as "Smart Alec" and sometimes "Smart Alex".  I hated that female dog.

Just making a profoundly original comment on your screenname  ;D, had no idea it's actually your real name!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 16, 2006, 10:19:20 AM
Alright, the time has come to buy a crappy PC notebook that will last me for one year.  Can the techie people help me understand what some of this stuff is? 

And remember: I don't care about any bells and whistles. I simply want to take notes and exams, and check email.  It would be better if it died completely after a year, because then I won't hear it from my parents about buying the Macbook I really want (I'm waiting for Leopard before buying).

Therefore, I am considering this guy: Compaq/HP V2000Z (I guess Compaq and HP merged at some point, huh?)

Here are the options I don't know what to get:

Processor   

AMD Sempron(TM) 3100+ (1.8GHz/256KB L2 Cache)

AMD Sempron(TM) 3300+ (2.0GHz/128KB L2 Cache)
  Significantly improves system performance
    +$15.00
 
AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-34 (1.8GHz/1MB L2 Cache)
  Exceptional performance, power, and reliability
    +$95.00
 
AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-37 (2.0GHz/1MB L2 Cache)

Advanced performance and multitasking with most software applications
    +$145.00
 

Graphics Card   

ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M

ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/productivity ports

    +$25.00


Memory   

256MB DDR SDRAM (1x256MB)

    -$50.00
 

512MB DDR SDRAM (2x256MB)

    Included
in price
 
512MB DDR SDRAM (1x512MB)
Boosts overall system performance! An empty slot leaves room to upgrade in the future!
    +$25.00
 
 
1.0GB DDR SDRAM (2x512MB)
HP recommended for faster system performance when running multiple applications.
    +$75.00
 

1.0GB DDR SDRAM (1x1024MB)
HP recommended for faster system performance when running multiple applications
    +$150.00


Hard Drive   
 
40 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
   -$25.00
 
 
60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
    Included
in price
 

80 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
+$25.00
 
80 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
A faster-spinning hard drive increases productivity
    +$40.00
 
 
100 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
Stores more applications, music, games, photos, movies
    +$75.00
 
 
120 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
    +$150.00

 
Primary CD/DVD Drive    
 
8X DVD Drive
    +$0.00
 
FREE Upgrade from DVD to DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive!!
Watch DVD movies and make your own music CDs (most CDs hold about 80 minutes' of music or 700MB of data)
    Included
in price
 
Super Multi 8X DVD+/-R/RW w/Double Layer Support
    +$50.00
 
 
LightScribe Super Multi 8X DVD+/-RW w/Double Layer
Label discs by burning silkscreen-quality graphics on them
    +$100.00


Networking   
 
Integrated 56K Modem + 10/100 Ethernet LAN
Included
in price
 
54g(TM) 802.11b/g WLAN w/ 125HSM/SpeedBooster(TM)
    +$25.00

54g(TM) Integ. Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN & Bluetooth
    +$44.00
 
 
Primary Battery   
6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    Included
in price
 
12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    +$39.00
 
Extra 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery

Get two 6-cell batteries so that you'll always have a spare handy!
    +$99.00
 
 
Extra 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery

Get two 12-cell batteries so that you'll always have enough power!
    +$138.00
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------

It's $600 as I configured it, plus $150 for Microsoft Office... can you get that cheaper through a school, do you think?  And do you really need security software?
 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 16, 2006, 11:13:50 AM
Thanks Alec!

One more question: I need to buy a Lacie external hard drive to backup my Mac before I move.  Do you know if a PC notebook be compatible with the same HD, or would I need a separate one?

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Pythagoras on June 16, 2006, 11:32:25 AM
I just got my new laptop from Dell on Wednesday.  (I kinda don't like it
very much)

what model?  what don't you like?

E1505.  It just seems huge.  But I've been told 8 times since Wednesday that it's just me. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 16, 2006, 06:23:51 PM
Alright, the time has come to buy a crappy PC notebook that will last me for one year.  Can the techie people help me understand what some of this stuff is? 

And remember: I don't care about any bells and whistles. I simply want to take notes and exams, and check email.  It would be better if it died completely after a year, because then I won't hear it from my parents about buying the Macbook I really want (I'm waiting for Leopard before buying).

Therefore, I am considering this guy: Compaq/HP V2000Z (I guess Compaq and HP merged at some point, huh?)

Here are the options I don't know what to get:

Processor   

AMD Sempron(TM) 3100+ (1.8GHz/256KB L2 Cache)

AMD Sempron(TM) 3300+ (2.0GHz/128KB L2 Cache)
  Significantly improves system performance
    +$15.00
 
AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-34 (1.8GHz/1MB L2 Cache)
  Exceptional performance, power, and reliability
    +$95.00
 

AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-37 (2.0GHz/1MB L2 Cache)

Advanced performance and multitasking with most software applications
    +$145.00
 

Graphics Card   

ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M
ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/productivity ports

    +$25.00


Memory   

256MB DDR SDRAM (1x256MB)

    -$50.00
 

512MB DDR SDRAM (2x256MB)

    Included
in price
 
512MB DDR SDRAM (1x512MB)
Boosts overall system performance! An empty slot leaves room to upgrade in the future!
    +$25.00

 
 
1.0GB DDR SDRAM (2x512MB)
HP recommended for faster system performance when running multiple applications.
    +$75.00
 

1.0GB DDR SDRAM (1x1024MB)
HP recommended for faster system performance when running multiple applications
    +$150.00


Hard Drive   
 
40 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
   -$25.00
 
 
60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
    Included
in price
 

80 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
+$25.00
 
80 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive
A faster-spinning hard drive increases productivity
    +$40.00
 

 
100 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
Stores more applications, music, games, photos, movies
    +$75.00
 
 
120 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
    +$150.00

 
Primary CD/DVD Drive    
 
8X DVD Drive
    +$0.00
 
FREE Upgrade from DVD to DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive!!
Watch DVD movies and make your own music CDs (most CDs hold about 80 minutes' of music or 700MB of data)
    Included
in price

 
Super Multi 8X DVD+/-R/RW w/Double Layer Support
    +$50.00
 
 
LightScribe Super Multi 8X DVD+/-RW w/Double Layer
Label discs by burning silkscreen-quality graphics on them
    +$100.00


Networking   
 
Integrated 56K Modem + 10/100 Ethernet LAN
Included
in price
 
54g(TM) 802.11b/g WLAN w/ 125HSM/SpeedBooster(TM)
    +$25.00

54g(TM) Integ. Broadcom 802.11b/g WLAN & Bluetooth
    +$44.00

 
 
Primary Battery   
6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    Included
in price
 
12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
    +$39.00
 
Extra 6 Cell Lithium Ion Battery

Get two 6-cell batteries so that you'll always have a spare handy!
    +$99.00
 
 
Extra 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery

Get two 12-cell batteries so that you'll always have enough power!
    +$138.00
 
---------------------------------------------------------------------

It's $600 as I configured it, plus $150 for Microsoft Office... can you get that cheaper through a school, do you think?  And do you really need security software?
 

I would get the options that I underlined.  I recommend a 64 bit processor to future proof yourself, and aside from that the cache is much bigger.  The cache is where the computer stores information that is accessed frequently and you can improve performance ever so slightly by increasing that. 

I don't know what the productivity ports do.

The importance of RAM is huge.  I will not get any less than 1.5 GB in my computer, but if you plan to do primarily word processing you should be OK with 512 but I wouldn't go less than that.  That being said, I would not get 2X256 because if you want to upgrade there is no way without taking out a stick and replacing it.

An 80 GB HD is not that big anymore, and 5400 RPM is the bare minimum I would get.

You may want a CD-RW drive to transfer data.  Floppies are dead.

If you want wireless networking, you have to get a 802.11b/g card.  You can add it via PCMCIA but it will be slower and more expensive.  I recommend Bluetooth as well for newer wireless peripherals.

Battery, hmm...If you will be plugging in wherever you go, get the cheapest option.  If not, you have to figure out what balance of capacity vs weight and price works for you.

I'll disagree because he wants it very simple and very cheap.  The processor may be worth it, but probably not.
RAM, unless you buy more and install it yourself (this depends on how motivated and techie friendly you are) isn't worth upgrading (although I'd advise 1 GB RAM before the processor probably).
80 GB and the faster spinning is probably not worth it either, 60 GB should be fine unless you are downloading crazy movies etc.  Even whole books online won't be much more than a few hundred MB.
I think either a 12-cell battery, or an extra 12-cell battery (a little more but it means you will have 2 batteries instead of one just in case) is probably worth it just in case your classroom doesn't have outlets, or you study on the go and don't have an outlet.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 16, 2006, 06:25:57 PM
I just got my new laptop from Dell on Wednesday.  (I kinda don't like it
very much)

what model?  what don't you like?

E1505.  It just seems huge.  But I've been told 8 times since Wednesday that it's just me. 

It is a little big...although huge is probably a bit exagerated.  I got the E1405 and I love the size, but I don't think it's THAT much lighter than the 1505.
I would shoot for the 1405's size unless there's a specific reason you want the 1505 (price or video card/other hardware not available on the 1405).


Also, there are definately plenty of decent backpacks/bags that don't seem that huge that will hold the larger 1505 screen.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 16, 2006, 06:51:28 PM
I almost just bought an m1210...I don't know, I hate that IBM pointer thing. I like touchpads better.

Do you REALLY need a laptop for law school?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: katedennis on June 16, 2006, 07:27:34 PM
I just got my new laptop from Dell on Wednesday.  (I kinda don't like it
very much)

what model?  what don't you like?

E1505.  It just seems huge.  But I've been told 8 times since Wednesday that it's just me. 

It is a little big...although huge is probably a bit exagerated.  I got the E1405 and I love the size, but I don't think it's THAT much lighter than the 1505.
I would shoot for the 1405's size unless there's a specific reason you want the 1505 (price or video card/other hardware not available on the 1405).


Also, there are definately plenty of decent backpacks/bags that don't seem that huge that will hold the larger 1505 screen.

I also am very pleased with the size of my E1405.  Nice mix of portability and functionality.  Sorry you don't like the 1505; I'm sure you'll get used to it though.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: brinkmtf on June 16, 2006, 07:45:15 PM
Why does no one consider the HPs?

i can get this one thru my Dad's work:

HP/Compaq n6220
Intel Pentium M 750 - 1.86Ghz
14.1 SXGA+ display
60GB HD (5400 rpm)
1024MB DDRII Ram (2 DIMMs)
DVD+RW drive
64MB integrated video
Intel 802.11
XP Pro
3 yr warranty
5.1 pounds

for $1,133

Will this be good enough for law school/the general internet, DVD watching usage?
Should I shop around or is this a good deal?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 16, 2006, 08:36:31 PM
I almost just bought an m1210...I don't know, I hate that IBM pointer thing. I like touchpads better.

Do you REALLY need a laptop for law school?

Yes, haven't you watched Legally Blonde?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 16, 2006, 09:04:52 PM
I almost just bought an m1210...I don't know, I hate that IBM pointer thing. I like touchpads better.

Do you REALLY need a laptop for law school?

Yes, haven't you watched Legally Blonde?

Yes but why do you need it? My friend is in medical school, he uses a pen and paper.

It doesn't matter, I just ordered it. I just hope I like it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: tonic on June 17, 2006, 05:24:18 PM
For those who know more about processors than I do...
If my school requires at least a Pentium M Mobile, does the Core Duo fit into that category? I know very little about these, and have no clue where each falls in the hierarchy.
Thanks!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on June 17, 2006, 05:30:49 PM
For those who know more about processors than I do...
If my school requires at least a Pentium M Mobile, does the Core Duo fit into that category? I know very little about these, and have no clue where each falls in the hierarchy.
Thanks!

Yes. Generally speaking, Core Duo > Core Solo > P M
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 17, 2006, 05:53:36 PM

Yes but why do you need it? My friend is in medical school, he uses a pen and paper.

It doesn't matter, I just ordered it. I just hope I like it.

It's like in the movie...too much stuff info to copy down by hand unless you write REALLY fast (and can do so for 90 continuous minutes or more) or are really good with shorthand.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 17, 2006, 07:39:52 PM
Why does no one consider the HPs?

i can get this one thru my Dad's work:

HP/Compaq n6220
Intel Pentium M 750 - 1.86Ghz
14.1 SXGA+ display
60GB HD (5400 rpm)
1024MB DDRII Ram (2 DIMMs)
DVD+RW drive
64MB integrated video
Intel 802.11
XP Pro
3 yr warranty
5.1 pounds

for $1,133

Will this be good enough for law school/the general internet, DVD watching usage?
Should I shop around or is this a good deal?

I never heard of them being that amazing, and that price is quite high.

I don't have my specs, but I can tell you they are much better, for one thing mine is dual-core, and I paid around $850 (Dell).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 17, 2006, 07:41:26 PM
I almost just bought an m1210...I don't know, I hate that IBM pointer thing. I like touchpads better.

Do you REALLY need a laptop for law school?

Yes, haven't you watched Legally Blonde?

Yes but why do you need it? My friend is in medical school, he uses a pen and paper.

It doesn't matter, I just ordered it. I just hope I like it.

#1. First call your school, they will tell you if it's required or not.

#2. It seems as if it's pretty damn necessary, both for notes and for test-taking especially.

#3. Law School will probably be costing you quite a bit of money, maybe even up to $50k for the first year, the price of a laptop is small considering this.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on June 17, 2006, 09:05:18 PM
Just ordered this, sound like a good deal?

IBM Z60T
14'' Widescreen
Pentium M 740  1.73 GHz
60Gb hard drive
768MB RAM
Windows XP Pro.
CD-RW/DVD
Upgraded Battery (from 4 cell to 7 cell)
fingerprint reader
Belkin, 8 outlet surge protector
Carrying case/backpack
Extra Power cord
***3 year Thinkpad Protection Warranty (for three years, they cover everything except Fire and Theft; service is on-site as opposed to shipping the machine back to them to fix it)
Total price including tax and shipping: $1,310 (EPP Discount)

I ordered the extra b u l l * & ^ % such as extra powercord, carrying case, and surgeprotector from IBM b/c I was able to receive EPP price with them as well.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 17, 2006, 09:39:09 PM
Just ordered this, sound like a good deal?

IBM Z60T
14'' Widescreen
Pentium M 740  1.73 GHz
60Gb hard drive
768MB RAM
Windows XP Pro.
CD-RW/DVD
Upgraded Battery (from 4 cell to 7 cell)
fingerprint reader
Belkin, 8 outlet surge protector
Carrying case/backpack
Extra Power cord
***3 year Thinkpad Protection Warranty (for three years, they cover everything except Fire and Theft; service is on-site as opposed to shipping the machine back to them to fix it)
Total price including tax and shipping: $1,310 (EPP Discount)

I ordered the extra b u l l * & ^ % such as extra powercord, carrying case, and surgeprotector from IBM b/c I was able to receive EPP price with them as well.

Not bad.  Not amazing either.  Why don't you people wait until the end of summer?  Prices are going to fall on everything... It's not like you really need THAT long to "adjust" to the new PC.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on June 17, 2006, 10:25:40 PM
It takes them 3 weeks to ship, school starts in 8 weeks.   Im sure Lenovo's regular prices and sales are, but I don't at all know that EPP prices are pegged to the start of the school year.  I'd bet they're not, why would they be?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 17, 2006, 11:29:53 PM
#1. First call your school, they will tell you if it's required or not.

#2. It seems as if it's pretty damn necessary, both for notes and for test-taking especially.

#3. Law School will probably be costing you quite a bit of money, maybe even up to $50k for the first year, the price of a laptop is small considering this.

Price is not really an issue for me, I have a lot of $$$ from where I am going to LS. The issue is more that I am used to taking notes in class, not typing them, and although I'm not great at shorthand, I'm better at writing real fast than typing real fast.

I bought the computer and I know I will use it for tests, I wonder just how much I will actually use it in class though. I tried taking notes on my laptop once in college and I hated it.  :-\
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: pipskicks on June 18, 2006, 02:07:56 AM
#1. First call your school, they will tell you if it's required or not.

#2. It seems as if it's pretty damn necessary, both for notes and for test-taking especially.

#3. Law School will probably be costing you quite a bit of money, maybe even up to $50k for the first year, the price of a laptop is small considering this.

Price is not really an issue for me, I have a lot of $$$ from where I am going to LS. The issue is more that I am used to taking notes in class, not typing them, and although I'm not great at shorthand, I'm better at writing real fast than typing real fast.

I bought the computer and I know I will use it for tests, I wonder just how much I will actually use it in class though. I tried taking notes on my laptop once in college and I hated it.  :-\

Well then it's not required for class, I've definately heard of people still writing out notes, but I think it's worth it to have with all the computer needs you will have, tests, papers requiring typing and research needing computers/online sites.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on June 18, 2006, 12:09:22 PM
has anyone considered a Dell Latitude D520?? or know anything about it?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 18, 2006, 06:14:12 PM
#1. First call your school, they will tell you if it's required or not.

#2. It seems as if it's pretty damn necessary, both for notes and for test-taking especially.

#3. Law School will probably be costing you quite a bit of money, maybe even up to $50k for the first year, the price of a laptop is small considering this.

Price is not really an issue for me, I have a lot of $$$ from where I am going to LS. The issue is more that I am used to taking notes in class, not typing them, and although I'm not great at shorthand, I'm better at writing real fast than typing real fast.

I bought the computer and I know I will use it for tests, I wonder just how much I will actually use it in class though. I tried taking notes on my laptop once in college and I hated it.  :-\

If price is not an issue, and you like writing by hand, perhaps you should get a convertible tablet PC. The one I'm looking at is the lenovo/IBM X41T. That way you have the flexibility to switch between typing and handwriting notes (on the screen surface) and having it all stored as a single file.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: slacker on June 19, 2006, 01:39:02 AM
Handwriting on computer - dunno how efficient that is; files much larger, not searchable, etc. Why not just handwrite on paper or type on computer?

IBM/Lenovo is a good pick.

It took me a month -- about 15 phone calls/chats of 1+ hour each, 4 visits from the onsite tech to resurrect my Dell 600m. Still highly not recommended.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 19, 2006, 04:17:12 AM
Handwriting on computer - dunno how efficient that is; files much larger, not searchable, etc. Why not just handwrite on paper or type on computer?

No pieces of paper to keep organized and filed.
And actually, if you have a tablet PC, handwriting recognition should be built into Windows; your handwritten text can convert quickly into digital text and go into a Word document or whatever you want. So the file is not larger, and it is in fact searchable.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 19, 2006, 06:49:17 AM
#1. First call your school, they will tell you if it's required or not.

#2. It seems as if it's pretty damn necessary, both for notes and for test-taking especially.

#3. Law School will probably be costing you quite a bit of money, maybe even up to $50k for the first year, the price of a laptop is small considering this.

Price is not really an issue for me, I have a lot of $$$ from where I am going to LS. The issue is more that I am used to taking notes in class, not typing them, and although I'm not great at shorthand, I'm better at writing real fast than typing real fast.

I bought the computer and I know I will use it for tests, I wonder just how much I will actually use it in class though. I tried taking notes on my laptop once in college and I hated it.  :-\

Well, if you choose to go the handwritten route, you're in good company:  my friend just graduated third in her class at Maryland law, and she didn't use a laptop for class.  She said there were too many distractions (ie, email and the Internet).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 19, 2006, 09:09:38 AM
#1. First call your school, they will tell you if it's required or not.

#2. It seems as if it's pretty damn necessary, both for notes and for test-taking especially.

#3. Law School will probably be costing you quite a bit of money, maybe even up to $50k for the first year, the price of a laptop is small considering this.

Price is not really an issue for me, I have a lot of $$$ from where I am going to LS. The issue is more that I am used to taking notes in class, not typing them, and although I'm not great at shorthand, I'm better at writing real fast than typing real fast.

I bought the computer and I know I will use it for tests, I wonder just how much I will actually use it in class though. I tried taking notes on my laptop once in college and I hated it.  :-\

Well, if you choose to go the handwritten route, you're in good company:  my friend just graduated third in her class at Maryland law, and she didn't use a laptop for class.  She said there were too many distractions (ie, email and the Internet).

A lot of schools are blocking the internet in classes now.  The two schools I chose between (Cornell and Vanderbilt) both had the internet disabled in classrooms during class.  I like this a lot... students were much more focused during class than the ones I saw at Notre Dame, UIUC, and WUSTL.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 19, 2006, 09:23:04 AM
I don't know...if you are in LS, you should be able to resist the temptation of surfing the internet when you're in class. It's not really the school's responsibility to restrict what you can do.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 19, 2006, 09:28:29 AM
Handwriting on computer - dunno how efficient that is; files much larger, not searchable, etc. Why not just handwrite on paper or type on computer?

No pieces of paper to keep organized and filed.
And actually, if you have a tablet PC, handwriting recognition should be built into Windows; your handwritten text can convert quickly into digital text and go into a Word document or whatever you want. So the file is not larger, and it is in fact searchable.

All true but realize that there is a learning curve involved. I have had my X41 tablet for almost 4 months now and it still stumbles on a few words here and there. Its training not only for the computer but for your writng style. Not saying you have to write slower than you are used to - rather you have to write more carefully quicker. Comes with practice.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: slacker on June 19, 2006, 08:17:50 PM
I don't know...if you are in LS, you should be able to resist the temptation of surfing the internet when you're in class. It's not really the school's responsibility to restrict what you can do.
I totally agree here. If you want to waste your time (and probably someone's money -- maybe even yours) in law school surfing the internet -- go for it! Odds are good your classmates will appreciate your efforts.

If you're in law school and can't figure out for yourself when is appropriate time to surf the internet, there's problems that have nothing to do with the school.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 20, 2006, 07:56:20 AM
I don't know...if you are in LS, you should be able to resist the temptation of surfing the internet when you're in class. It's not really the school's responsibility to restrict what you can do.
I totally agree here. If you want to waste your time (and probably someone's money -- maybe even yours) in law school surfing the internet -- go for it! Odds are good your classmates will appreciate your efforts.

If you're in law school and can't figure out for yourself when is appropriate time to surf the internet, there's problems that have nothing to do with the school.

Have you sat in on classes? There had to be at least 50% of the class doing something unrelated on their computers, be it email, work for another class, or checking sports scores.  Several people were enjoying the wonders of eBay (how can you even afford it if you're in school?!).

I'm with you in that I don't think schools should restrict access, just as I don't think the government should restrict certain behavior even if I find it personally distasteful.  However, I'm not sure self-monitoring is as easy as it seems... imagine being in a dry class, where some gunner is shooting his mouth off about policy only loosely related to the topic at hand, and you remember you had to ask your s.o. something... or you wonder what the score was in last night's game, or if it will rain today... it seems easy to get sucked in.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 20, 2006, 08:18:36 AM
Have you sat in on classes? There had to be at least 50% of the class doing something unrelated on their computers, be it email, work for another class, or checking sports scores.  Several people were enjoying the wonders of eBay (how can you even afford it if you're in school?!).

I'm with you in that I don't think schools should restrict access, just as I don't think the government should restrict certain behavior even if I find it personally distasteful.  However, I'm not sure self-monitoring is as easy as it seems... imagine being in a dry class, where some gunner is shooting his mouth off about policy only loosely related to the topic at hand, and you remember you had to ask your s.o. something... or you wonder what the score was in last night's game, or if it will rain today... it seems easy to get sucked in.

It seems very easy indeed. Maybe it would be a good idea to disable to wireless internet during class on your computer--so while it's true it would only take a minute to set it back up, it might be enough of a deterrent to not check something online real quick.

I was thinking I might do this.... even better, I thought maybe I'd have a friend password-protect Internet access, but not tell me the password!  ;)

My goal is to use the nonrelevant parts of class time to integrate the reading for that class into an outline, thus saving more of my free time for fun stuff.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: addietoby on June 20, 2006, 01:50:06 PM
I was set on a X60s, but they lack of an optical drive is annoying. I don't want to have to attach something just to watch a DVD on a plane.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Poster on June 20, 2006, 03:26:06 PM
15" widescreen is the way to go. :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: flydog on June 20, 2006, 05:59:08 PM
The solution is simple. For less than $200 you can buy a 19" widescreen monitor that you can plug in when you are at home. For taking notes a 12" should be adequate. Large notebook screens suck up a lot of battery time.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 20, 2006, 06:01:56 PM
I read somewhere someone complaining their 12" affected their vision drastically. I have a 12" and I've been ok though...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: slacker on June 20, 2006, 06:15:16 PM
I don't know...if you are in LS, you should be able to resist the temptation of surfing the internet when you're in class. It's not really the school's responsibility to restrict what you can do.
I totally agree here. If you want to waste your time (and probably someone's money -- maybe even yours) in law school surfing the internet -- go for it! Odds are good your classmates will appreciate your efforts.

If you're in law school and can't figure out for yourself when is appropriate time to surf the internet, there's problems that have nothing to do with the school.

Have you sat in on classes? There had to be at least 50% of the class doing something unrelated on their computers, be it email, work for another class, or checking sports scores.  Several people were enjoying the wonders of eBay (how can you even afford it if you're in school?!).

I'm with you in that I don't think schools should restrict access, just as I don't think the government should restrict certain behavior even if I find it personally distasteful.  However, I'm not sure self-monitoring is as easy as it seems... imagine being in a dry class, where some gunner is shooting his mouth off about policy only loosely related to the topic at hand, and you remember you had to ask your s.o. something... or you wonder what the score was in last night's game, or if it will rain today... it seems easy to get sucked in.
Have I sat in on classes? Yeah...more than you have, probably; I'm going to be a 3L.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 20, 2006, 08:26:01 PM
I read somewhere someone complaining their 12" affected their vision drastically. I have a 12" and I've been ok though...

I've said this before but alot depends on the quality of the screen rather than the size. My vision stinks - really stinks actually but I have no problems seeing text on my X41 tablet. I wonder in what ways that persons vision was affected?

AM I IN DANGER OF GOING BLIND!!!! AHHHHHHHHH


Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: slacker on June 20, 2006, 08:30:36 PM
I read somewhere someone complaining their 12" affected their vision drastically. I have a 12" and I've been ok though...

I've said this before but alot depends on the quality of the screen rather than the size. My vision stinks - really stinks actually but I have no problems seeing text on my X41 tablet. I wonder in what ways that persons vision was affected?

AM I IN DANGER OF GOING BLIND!!!! AHHHHHHHHH


Oingo
Is your danger of going blind from law school? (sorry...couldn't resist. Well, could have, but didn't.)

I tend to up the magnification size on text on occasion...or lower it if I'm just doing a fast skim. I also think reading is easier from the printed page, but that's not always a possibility.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on June 20, 2006, 09:07:50 PM
I don't know...if you are in LS, you should be able to resist the temptation of surfing the internet when you're in class. It's not really the school's responsibility to restrict what you can do.
I totally agree here. If you want to waste your time (and probably someone's money -- maybe even yours) in law school surfing the internet -- go for it! Odds are good your classmates will appreciate your efforts.

If you're in law school and can't figure out for yourself when is appropriate time to surf the internet, there's problems that have nothing to do with the school.

Have you sat in on classes? There had to be at least 50% of the class doing something unrelated on their computers, be it email, work for another class, or checking sports scores.  Several people were enjoying the wonders of eBay (how can you even afford it if you're in school?!).

I'm with you in that I don't think schools should restrict access, just as I don't think the government should restrict certain behavior even if I find it personally distasteful.  However, I'm not sure self-monitoring is as easy as it seems... imagine being in a dry class, where some gunner is shooting his mouth off about policy only loosely related to the topic at hand, and you remember you had to ask your s.o. something... or you wonder what the score was in last night's game, or if it will rain today... it seems easy to get sucked in.
Have I sat in on classes? Yeah...more than you have, probably; I'm going to be a 3L.

 :D :D :D

Sorry, can't keep track of all the posters around here... anyway, I'm basing my "it's difficult to resist" opinion on my observations sitting in on classes at Georgetown (3) and Penn (2).  It was particularly rampant in Civ Pro at G'town.... probably 75% of the class was doing something else while the poor teacher tried to explain some very dry distinctions.  
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: slacker on June 20, 2006, 11:29:51 PM
The solution is simple. For less than $200 you can buy a 19" widescreen monitor that you can plug in when you are at home. For taking notes a 12" should be adequate. Large notebook screens suck up a lot of battery time.

Yeah I just bought a 19" monitor but still.  14" is still pretty small but 12" I am concerned about having enough room on which to write when I have to take exams.

"Enough room on which to write..." -- you mean enough room to see? After all, the screen scrolls.

I never take exams on my laptop. I use the school's computer lab, instead, and take on a desktop machine.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: dawn french on June 21, 2006, 06:11:32 AM
I'm falling in love with the hp dv2000t.  I'm just not into those boring business type laptops.  Any thoughts on the dv2000t?  I think it's dreamy.    :-*

My only worry is HP's customer service.  Is Dell much better?  My other options are the Inspiron E1405 or a Latitude. 

I've posted a similar message on another thread, sorry for the deja vu, but I would love more feedback!    ;D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 21, 2006, 08:21:35 AM
I'm falling in love with the hp dv2000t.  I'm just not into those boring business type laptops.  Any thoughts on the dv2000t?  I think it's dreamy.    :-*

My only worry is HP's customer service.  Is Dell much better?  My other options are the Inspiron E1405 or a Latitude. 

I've posted a similar message on another thread, sorry for the deja vu, but I would love more feedback!    ;D

I think the D420 or D620 (Dell Latitude) should suffice.  I keep getting caught up in all the specs, but let's be honest, unless you are doing serious gaming, you can easily get a great system in the $1,300-1,800 range (including 3 year warranty).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 21, 2006, 09:23:10 AM
My only worry is HP's customer service.  Is Dell much better?  My other options are the Inspiron E1405 or a Latitude. 

FWIW, I've had pretty good experience with HP's service and nothing but nightmares with Dell. I'd take HP's service over Dell's anyday.

If you do go HP, dont buy it at Best Buy or a retailer.  Buy direct.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: chevelle on June 21, 2006, 07:18:06 PM
Do you carry a lot of books with you or do you mostly leave them at home?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 21, 2006, 07:33:04 PM
Do you carry a lot of books with you or do you mostly leave them at home?

I think I'm going to end up stashing mine in the lockers...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: slacker on June 21, 2006, 07:40:59 PM
I try to take home no more than 1 book a night. Life doesn't always agree with me on that.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ginger329 on June 22, 2006, 07:50:12 AM
hi so i am thinking of buying a thinkpad after all the good things ive heard about it on this site...

i called ibm and they told me about their N series, only 899 and it has 80gb/512mb
it weighs 5 pounds though...is that allot??

does anyone have experience with the N series?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 22, 2006, 08:03:03 AM
hi so i am thinking of buying a thinkpad after all the good things ive heard about it on this site...

i called ibm and they told me about their N series, only 899 and it has 80gb/512mb
it weighs 5 pounds though...is that allot??

does anyone have experience with the N series?

The N Series isn't Thinkpad, it's part of Lenovo's home-user line of notebooks.  Looks nice, I'm just not sure if it's meant to hold up like the Thinkpads.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WinnieCooper on June 22, 2006, 12:51:03 PM
Can anybody tell me if the motherboard on my laptop might be fried?  It is out of warranty and I don't want to pay $75 just to have it diagnosed.  It is a Dell inspiron, about two and a half years old.  Occasionally, it just decides to turn off on its own, usually when I am in the middle of something.  It does this both while plugged in and while not plugged into the battery.  I can usually turn it right back on, but it will inevitably turn off on its own again soon after.  No warning, no blue screen of death, just shuts off.  Oh, and it gets pretty hot too.  not burning hot, but very warm.  I ran the system diagnostics and it says there is nothing wrong with the fan.  I don't believe it.

Does this sound like a couple hundred dollar problem, or should I chuck it and buy a new laptop?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: rajkp on June 22, 2006, 12:58:37 PM
Sounds like your battery and/or power unit is busted. I would replace the battery and have the power unit checked out.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on June 22, 2006, 01:12:25 PM
It sounds like heat might be a problem, so you should try to eliminate it as a possibility.  You can try to control the processor speed, and possibly put a ceiling on your voltage, doing so might lower your heat so that you can determine if something else is wrong.  There are two programs I've used to manually control processor speed/throttling:

http://www.diefer.de/speedswitchxp/
and
http://www.pbus-167.com/chc.htm

The second has the advantage that it may be able to directly control the CPU's voltage, in addition to controlling the processor speed and it can also monitor the temperature inside the laptop if you have the necesary sensors.  The only annoying thing is that in order to work it requires Microsofts .NET framework version 2.0.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 22, 2006, 04:53:43 PM
Can anybody tell me if the motherboard on my laptop might be fried?  It is out of warranty and I don't want to pay $75 just to have it diagnosed.  It is a Dell inspiron, about two and a half years old.  Occasionally, it just decides to turn off on its own, usually when I am in the middle of something.  It does this both while plugged in and while not plugged into the battery.  I can usually turn it right back on, but it will inevitably turn off on its own again soon after.  No warning, no blue screen of death, just shuts off.  Oh, and it gets pretty hot too.  not burning hot, but very warm.  I ran the system diagnostics and it says there is nothing wrong with the fan.  I don't believe it.

Does this sound like a couple hundred dollar problem, or should I chuck it and buy a new laptop?

You might get a cheap thing of canned air and lightly blow it through the fan... could be a buildup of dust in the machine.  That happened to our desktop.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on June 22, 2006, 05:32:46 PM
Definitely sounds like a fan problem. Some of the older laptops don't have a mobile processor and will get really hot- I know after mine was a few years old, it would be pretty warm by the end of the day. Try clearing out the dust lightly with canned air (you may have to open the case, but make sure the fan does not spin) and see if that helps. You may be due for a new fan, but if you can install it yourself, it should cost no more than $50 to replace.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 23, 2006, 10:09:01 PM
Alec, I think you will be (slightly) pleased to know that I have decided to release my waitlist acceptance at Stanford.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Poetgrl21 on June 25, 2006, 11:26:05 AM

Anyone know anything about the Lenovo (IBM) T60?  Seton Hall recommends it for all Fall 2006 incoming students. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 25, 2006, 07:21:40 PM

Anyone know anything about the Lenovo (IBM) T60?  Seton Hall recommends it for all Fall 2006 incoming students. 

Sweet computer.  On sale now.  Check out: http://www.lenovo.com  Should be front and center.  Good batter life, nice size, powerful, durable.  Wish I had the money for one.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 25, 2006, 08:39:54 PM

Anyone know anything about the Lenovo (IBM) T60?  Seton Hall recommends it for all Fall 2006 incoming students. 

I have one.  Do you have any particular questions about it? 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 26, 2006, 12:33:31 AM
Can anybody tell me if the motherboard on my laptop might be fried?  It is out of warranty and I don't want to pay $75 just to have it diagnosed.  It is a Dell inspiron, about two and a half years old.  Occasionally, it just decides to turn off on its own, usually when I am in the middle of something.  It does this both while plugged in and while not plugged into the battery.  I can usually turn it right back on, but it will inevitably turn off on its own again soon after.  No warning, no blue screen of death, just shuts off.  Oh, and it gets pretty hot too.  not burning hot, but very warm.  I ran the system diagnostics and it says there is nothing wrong with the fan.  I don't believe it.

Does this sound like a couple hundred dollar problem, or should I chuck it and buy a new laptop?

I recommend cleaning it out with an air duster, make sure the fan spins, and apply a thin layer of thermal paste between the processor and heat sink. Note: these actions typically require an experienced technician.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WinnieCooper on June 26, 2006, 06:40:06 AM
Can anybody tell me if the motherboard on my laptop might be fried?  It is out of warranty and I don't want to pay $75 just to have it diagnosed.  It is a Dell inspiron, about two and a half years old.  Occasionally, it just decides to turn off on its own, usually when I am in the middle of something.  It does this both while plugged in and while not plugged into the battery.  I can usually turn it right back on, but it will inevitably turn off on its own again soon after.  No warning, no blue screen of death, just shuts off.  Oh, and it gets pretty hot too.  not burning hot, but very warm.  I ran the system diagnostics and it says there is nothing wrong with the fan.  I don't believe it.

Does this sound like a couple hundred dollar problem, or should I chuck it and buy a new laptop?

I recommend cleaning it out with an air duster, make sure the fan spins, and apply a thin layer of thermal paste between the processor and heat sink. Note: these actions typically require an experienced technician.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.  I called the Dell Out of Warranty repair center just to see if they could help me over the phone, and they offered a one time only FREE repair!!!!  How awesome!  They are shipping me a DHL box today to send the laptop to them.  I am very, very impressed.  This computer is almost three years old- they really didn't have to do this.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: tonic on June 26, 2006, 08:41:42 AM

Anyone know anything about the Lenovo (IBM) T60?  Seton Hall recommends it for all Fall 2006 incoming students. 

Sweet computer.  On sale now.  Check out: http://www.lenovo.com  Should be front and center.  Good batter life, nice size, powerful, durable.  Wish I had the money for one.

Ok, apologies if this has already been covered (I tried searching) but with Lenovo...T series or X series?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 26, 2006, 08:48:59 AM
Ok, apologies if this has already been covered (I tried searching) but with Lenovo...T series or X series?

There's been some discussion about that on this thread.  It's really about personal preference. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: alexis on June 26, 2006, 09:35:37 AM

Anyone know anything about the Lenovo (IBM) T60?  Seton Hall recommends it for all Fall 2006 incoming students. 

im going to seton as well... whats the big differnece between the T series and the X series? i dont know anything about computers and was planning to go with the X series because of the rave reviews... anyone care to clarify?
 
does seton suggest any specific programs as well? did you call to find out their computer recs or is on the school's website?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: alexis on June 26, 2006, 09:53:22 AM
got it. i read about the docking station in PC world's review of the x-series this past spring and that confused me as well. Does that mean i will have to take the docking station to school with me everyday, or just to view dvds? i apologize for my ignorance, just looking for some answers.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: alexis on June 26, 2006, 09:54:50 AM

Anyone know anything about the Lenovo (IBM) T60?  Seton Hall recommends it for all Fall 2006 incoming students. 

im going to seton as well... whats the big differnece between the T series and the X series? i know nothing about computers and was planning to go with the X series because of the rave reviews... anyone care to clarify?
 
does seton suggest any specific programs as well? did you call to find out their computer recs or is on the school's website?

If you really have no knowledge base about the computers a good place to start is www.notebookreview.com

That being said, the difference is that the T60 is larger and cheaper.  There are some other minor differences (you have to have a docking station to use an optical drive on the X60 and you can not get a discrete video card on the X60) but it really comes down to paying for portability.

what? optical drive? discrete video card? i dont speak the language   ???
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 26, 2006, 10:27:10 AM
got it. i read about the docking station in PC world's review of the x-series this past spring and that confused me as well. Does that mean i will have to take the docking station to school with me everyday, or just to view dvds? i apologize for my ignorance, just looking for some answers.

no, not unless you need to read from a dvd or cd every day at school, and yes, you need it to view dvds.  in other words, if you don't have the dock around, you won't be able to read a dvd or cd.  of course, there are ways around that, but i'm leaving that out for the sake of simplicity.  

i would say it's more than just "paying for portability".  i chose my T60 over the x series only because i wanted a bigger screen.  i've worked with 12 inch screens, and i discovered it wasn't for me.  
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: rajkp on June 26, 2006, 12:48:01 PM
Just in case your considering a Mac, check out these sites:

http://www.appledefects.com
and
http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: hoopster on June 26, 2006, 03:06:22 PM
This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyways.  I just got my Dell laptop and while I'm supposed to have a 60 GB hard drive the C drive has 37.5 and the D only 12.5.  What happened to the other 10 GB of space I'm supposed to have?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on June 26, 2006, 03:14:12 PM
This may be a dumb question, but I'll ask anyways.  I just got my Dell laptop and while I'm supposed to have a 60 GB hard drive the C drive has 37.5 and the D only 12.5.  What happened to the other 10 GB of space I'm supposed to have?

I believe there are 2 forces at work here:

1. Dell has a hidden restore partition that has all the software you need to recover your system in the case of failure. That takes up about 6 gigs (?)

2. Hard drive manufacturers treat 1 GB as 1,000,000,000 (1 billion) bytes, but Windows treat 1GB as 2^30 = 1,073,741,824. So upon formatting, a nominal 60 GB drive is treated as a 55.9 GB drive by Windows.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: hoopster on June 26, 2006, 08:50:00 PM
Thanks, you guys were correct.  I have another question though.

I erased the XP Home Edition that my Dell came with and installed XP Profession which is required at my school.  The problem I'm having now though is that I can't connect to the router in our house.  With the Home Edition, Windows would just automatically pick up the internet connect and connect via the wireless card, but it doesn't do that with Professional.  Anyone know how I can connect to the internet?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: rajkp on June 26, 2006, 10:46:20 PM
Pro should do the same thing without requing any additional configuration if you're using SP1 or SP2. SP2 definitely doesn't have a problem with Wireless even with clean installs.

You may be missing a driver or just have Wireless turned off. Go to Network connections and see if the Wireless connection (and/or card) is listed. If it listed, make sure to enable it and try to configure it. You should get the Wireless Connection Wizard.

If it's not listed, then you may need to install the driver for the wireless card off of your recovery disk.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on June 27, 2006, 01:13:23 AM
Thanks, you guys were correct.  I have another question though.

I erased the XP Home Edition that my Dell came with and installed XP Profession which is required at my school.  The problem I'm having now though is that I can't connect to the router in our house.  With the Home Edition, Windows would just automatically pick up the internet connect and connect via the wireless card, but it doesn't do that with Professional.  Anyone know how I can connect to the internet?

There should be a little wireless icon in the bottom right corner of the screen, which you can click and then select a network to connect to. The network name should be whatever your home router is set to broadcast as a name.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Nellbelle on June 27, 2006, 04:22:13 AM
Hello,

I was reading the many pages of this thread and was exploring the different deal sites listed around Page 6. I actually was trying to use one of the coupons for Dell on a e1405 and it just doesn't work. It shows it listed but tells me to look at details as to why it may not have been applied. Has anyone successfully used one of these coupons before. This was the 30% off coupon for a e1505 or e1405? Or does anyone know of any other really good deals going on that I may have missed. I am looking to buy in the next week or two.

TIA
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SouthSide on June 27, 2006, 04:33:34 AM
Haven't read this thread at all. But what's the best laptop if all I really do is email, basic web-surfing, and word processing, and the most important things I care about are light-weight and long battery life?

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on June 27, 2006, 07:33:21 AM
Haven't read this thread at all. But what's the best laptop if all I really do is email, basic web-surfing, and word processing, and the most important things I care about are light-weight and long battery life?

I'd start by reading this thread.  You'll likely find some answers. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 27, 2006, 09:37:42 AM
Haven't read this thread at all. But what's the best laptop if all I really do is email, basic web-surfing, and word processing, and the most important things I care about are light-weight and long battery life?



Shouldn't be hard to find a system for this.  I've been a real snob about the specs on my future computer-to-be, but let's be honest, you don't have time to f***ing use photoshop and premiere while you're in law school.  Most computers will suffice for 3 years of use - don't even start on Windows Vista, as it is completely unnecessary.  Look at the Dell Latitude D620, IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X60 or T60.  Just get the most stripped down version and add the highest capacity battery.  Or, check out the Thinkpad T43 (version before the T60) - they have it for $1,200 at Buy.com
 
http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T43_Pentium_M_750_1_86_GHz_RAM_512_MB_HD_40_GB_CD_RW/q/loc/58978/10396501.html
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on June 27, 2006, 10:42:53 AM
Haven't read this thread at all. But what's the best laptop if all I really do is email, basic web-surfing, and word processing, and the most important things I care about are light-weight and long battery life?



Shouldn't be hard to find a system for this.  I've been a real snob about the specs on my future computer-to-be, but let's be honest, you don't have time to f***ing use photoshop and premiere while you're in law school.  Most computers will suffice for 3 years of use - don't even start on Windows Vista, as it is completely unnecessary.  Look at the Dell Latitude D620, IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X60 or T60.  Just get the most stripped down version and add the highest capacity battery.  Or, check out the Thinkpad T43 (version before the T60) - they have it for $1,200 at Buy.com
 
http://www.buy.com/prod/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T43_Pentium_M_750_1_86_GHz_RAM_512_MB_HD_40_GB_CD_RW/q/loc/58978/10396501.html

Earlier this spring you could land a T43 for $999. Shop around.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: rajkp on June 27, 2006, 11:35:17 AM
If you have the option, buy it through your school. They're much cheaper than buying directly from the manufactuer AND the school's price almost always includes the on-site warranty.

For example, a Dell Latitude D820 is $17xx/base at Dell, $16xx with the right coupons, but neither option includes the service plan. The school's price for the same specs with the 3-year on-site service plan is $1135.

Not too many schools sell Thinkpads, so if your school does, take advantage of that.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on June 27, 2006, 12:26:08 PM
If you have the option, buy it through your school. They're much cheaper than buying directly from the manufactuer AND the school's price almost always includes the on-site warranty.

For example, a Dell Latitude D820 is $17xx/base at Dell, $16xx with the right coupons, but neither option includes the service plan. The school's price for the same specs with the 3-year on-site service plan is $1135.

Not too many schools sell Thinkpads, so if your school does, take advantage of that.

Generally agreed.  Though you'd be a fool to get the D820 over the 620.  The 820 offers no tangible benefits.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: slacker on June 27, 2006, 06:49:22 PM
If you have the option, buy it through your school. They're much cheaper than buying directly from the manufactuer AND the school's price almost always includes the on-site warranty.

For example, a Dell Latitude D820 is $17xx/base at Dell, $16xx with the right coupons, but neither option includes the service plan. The school's price for the same specs with the 3-year on-site service plan is $1135.

Not too many schools sell Thinkpads, so if your school does, take advantage of that.

Generally agreed.  Though you'd be a fool to get the D820 over the 620.  The 820 offers no tangible benefits.

It offers more weight. Add in the case books, etc., and you'll be loving that extra weight.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on July 07, 2006, 01:18:49 PM
In case anyone is looking for an external hard drive go along with their laptop:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7821912&ref=39&loc=01&type=product&id=1142294266608

It comes with great specs (7200 rpm, 16 MB buffer), and the price is pretty good too.  Though, 300 GB might be a bit overkill for most. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 08, 2006, 12:25:43 AM
In case anyone is looking for an external hard drive go along with their laptop:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7821912&ref=39&loc=01&type=product&id=1142294266608

It comes with great specs (7200 rpm, 16 MB buffer), and the price is pretty good too.  Though, 300 GB might be a bit overkill for most. 

Hopefully Maxtor added a power switch.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 08, 2006, 10:21:38 AM
In case anyone is looking for an external hard drive go along with their laptop:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7821912&ref=39&loc=01&type=product&id=1142294266608

It comes with great specs (7200 rpm, 16 MB buffer), and the price is pretty good too.  Though, 300 GB might be a bit overkill for most. 

That seems like an incredible deal. Why is a power switch important?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 08, 2006, 11:52:44 AM
Why is a power switch important?

Without a power switch on the device you have a few options:
-Leave it on all the time.

or

-Disconnect and reconnect the AC adapter from the drive...it looks too small to have a built in power supply (this is the worst option since you stress the drive).
-Disconnect and reconnect the AC adapter from the wall (depending on the AC adapter setup and your home electrical arrangement you can literally see sparks fly at times before the ground makes contact).
-Or put the AC adapter on a power strip with a switch.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 08, 2006, 04:17:31 PM
Typhoon, you think so we don't have to! Thanks again.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 08, 2006, 08:12:55 PM
i just had a X60 quoted for  $1649 and the X6 doc at $189, the specs r listed below, do you guys think this is a deal (its' lower than lenovo's web price)?

also how necessary is blue tooth??


MANUFACTURER :  IBM
MANUFACTURER PART NUMBER :  17023LU
PRODUCT NAME :  THINKPAD X60 L2400 512MB 60GB XPP 12.1-XGA ABG
APPROXIMATE DIMENSIONS (WXDXH) :  10.6 IN X 8.3 IN X 1.1 IN
APPROXIMATE WEIGHT :  3.5 LBS
SYSTEM TYPE:  NOTEBOOK
BUILT-IN DEVICES :  SPEAKER, WIRELESS LAN ANTENNA, THINKLIGHT
PROCESSOR :  INTEL CORE DUO L2400 1.66 GHZ ( DUAL-CORE )
CACHE MEMORY :  2 MB - L2 CACHE
RAM :  512 MB (INSTALLED) / 2 GB (MAX) - DDR II SDRAM - 667 MHZ - PC2-5300
CARD READER :  YES
HARD DRIVE :  60 GB - SERIAL ATA-150 - 5400 RPM
DISPLAY :  12.1" TFT ACTIVE MATRIX 1024 X 768 ( XGA ) - 24-BIT (16.7 MILLION COLORS)
GRAPHICS CONTROLLERL:  INTEL GMA 950
AUDIO OUTPUT  SOUND CARD
TELECOM :  FAX / MODEM - CDC - 56 KBPS
NETWORKING :  NETWORK ADAPTER - ETHERNET, FAST ETHERNET, GIGABIT ETHERNET, IEEE 802.11B, IEEE 802.11A, IEEE 802.11G
WIRELESS:  NIC  LENOVO 11A/B/G
INPUT DEVICE :  KEYBOARD, TRACKPOINT
POWER  AC:  120/230 V ( 50/60 HZ )
BATTERY :  LITHIUM ION
RUN TIME (UP TO) :  8 HOUR(S)
OPERATING SYSTEM:  MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL
MANUFACTURER WARRANTY:   3 YEARS WARRANTY
Co-op Price:  $1649
 
Lenovo ThinkPlus USB 2.0 CDRW/DVD Rom Drive -   $189.00 (i believe this is an optical drive built into the X6 docking station but need to confirm)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 09, 2006, 08:10:12 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on the X60 vs the X60s? I'm favoring the X60s because I'm assuming it'll have better battery life.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 09, 2006, 08:45:37 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on the X60 vs the X60s? I'm favoring the X60s because I'm assuming it'll have better battery life.


X60 has the T-line of Core Duo while the X60s has the L-line (lower voltage, more battery life).  I'd go with the L-line personally, should still pack enough of a punch to do whatever you need for law school.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 09, 2006, 08:49:27 AM
Anyone have any thoughts on the X60 vs the X60s? I'm favoring the X60s because I'm assuming it'll have better battery life.


X60 has the T-line of Core Duo while the X60s has the L-line (lower voltage, more battery life).  I'd go with the L-line personally, should still pack enough of a punch to do whatever you need for law school.

Ok, that's roughly what I thought. Getting the L, thanks.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 09, 2006, 03:44:47 PM
seems like there's a lot of x60/x60s supporters here.  i just ordered my x60s on friday, but if you can, you should try to get the employee discount.  my friend got me an x60s that is retailed at $1999 for $1499.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 09, 2006, 04:27:06 PM
seems like there's a lot of x60/x60s supporters here.  i just ordered my x60s on friday, but if you can, you should try to get the employee discount.  my friend got me an x60s that is retailed at $1999 for $1499.

I'm not digging the employee discount because it just complicates things when you deal with a warranty.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 09, 2006, 07:59:57 PM
seems like there's a lot of x60/x60s supporters here.  i just ordered my x60s on friday, but if you can, you should try to get the employee discount.  my friend got me an x60s that is retailed at $1999 for $1499.

I'm not digging the employee discount because it just complicates things when you deal with a warranty.

Oh god, please explain.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 09, 2006, 08:06:11 PM
seems like there's a lot of x60/x60s supporters here.  i just ordered my x60s on friday, but if you can, you should try to get the employee discount.  my friend got me an x60s that is retailed at $1999 for $1499.

I'm not digging the employee discount because it just complicates things when you deal with a warranty.

Oh god, please explain.


Well, from my limited understanding, if you get a computer in someone else's name, the warranty would be under their name as well.  So I don't understand how you could buy it through them, because when you need to get it fixed, won't they care that you aren't the person that the computer was registered to with the warranty?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 09, 2006, 08:07:07 PM
seems like there's a lot of x60/x60s supporters here.  i just ordered my x60s on friday, but if you can, you should try to get the employee discount.  my friend got me an x60s that is retailed at $1999 for $1499.

I'm not digging the employee discount because it just complicates things when you deal with a warranty.

Oh god, please explain.


It's my understanding:

1. When you buy a machine through the employee discount, you're not supposed to resell it.  To the end of preventing those sales, they won't honor the tranfer of a warranty for someone who has a machine bought through the employee purchase program (EPP) who didn't purchase the machine.  So, if you bought it under an IBM employee's discount, you can send it in for repairs but no one else can.

2 The exchange/return period of 30 days for normal Thinkpad purchases doesn't exist for EPP purchases.  Once you buy it, you can only send it in for repairs...you can't get your money back and you couldn't trade it for a different model.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 09, 2006, 08:16:45 PM
n/m
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 09, 2006, 08:29:45 PM
fyi.  the computer was bought in my name.  the EPP is supposedly for employees, family and friends.  also, don't know about the 30 days thing, but i have faith it'll be a good system.  even if computer wasn't in my name thus making the whole warranty thing tough and with the 30 days trial thing not available, it's still $500 being saved.  i would've done it regardless.

farva: i got the 8-cell battery.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 09, 2006, 08:32:11 PM
if your friend needs another friend let me know!  :D ;D

and def go for the 8 cell
fyi.  the computer was bought in my name.  the EPP is supposedly for employees, family and friends.  also, don't know about the 30 days thing, but i have faith it'll be a good system.  even if computer wasn't in my name thus making the whole warranty thing tough and with the 30 days trial thing not available, it's still $500 being saved.  i would've done it regardless.

farva: i got the 8-cell battery.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on July 10, 2006, 06:36:44 AM
This seems pretty good too:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136001&CMP=BAC-tbcpc
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 10, 2006, 09:33:31 AM
This seems pretty good too:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136001&CMP=BAC-tbcpc

There is absolutely no reason to get an external HD that is 320GB.  You won't fill 1/5 of that.

80GB should be fine at most.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Bay Area Bum on July 10, 2006, 11:20:54 AM
This seems pretty good too:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136001&CMP=BAC-tbcpc

There is absolutely no reason to get an external HD that is 320GB.  You won't fill 1/5 of that.

80GB should be fine at most.

hence my remarks in the previous post about 300 GB being overkill for most. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maddhopps on July 10, 2006, 10:10:33 PM
I can get a slightly-used (4 months) Toshiba tablet for really cheap.  Small (12") screen, but full-sized keyboard.  Does anyone have thoughts on this?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 11, 2006, 11:31:00 AM
I can get a slightly-used (4 months) Toshiba tablet for really cheap.  Small (12") screen, but full-sized keyboard.  Does anyone have thoughts on this?

Which model is it? Perhaps a M200 or M400? Both machines are well regarded. Check out www.tablepcbuzz.com and look under the Toshiba section for thoughts on those models.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on July 11, 2006, 02:54:16 PM
Regarding the IBM EPP, you do not have to buy the laptop in the employee's name.  What you need is their name and ID number and then you can log on through the EPP site.  You purchase the laptop in your name so there is no problem when trying to get service under warranty.  Not sure if that is true when purchasing by phone but i don't see why it shouldn't.

The no-30 day policy does suck but I agree with joe_q the savings makes up for it.  I saved close to 800 on each system I bought.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 11, 2006, 03:09:23 PM
hey meowmix, did you get a super-ubered up system?  i noticed the more expensive the msrp is, the more save with the ibm epp.  you must've at least got a $2400 system to get an $800 savings.  good times!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on July 11, 2006, 03:18:36 PM
I got pretty good systems: The t60p 2613ESU and the x60 170533U.  Couldn't decide which one so I got both.  Good times indeed.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 11, 2006, 03:33:21 PM
dayam.  that is baller.  i got an x60s 17044JU, but i had a hard time passing up the t60.  your solution is indeed one of good times.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Laurenrae52 on July 11, 2006, 05:57:24 PM
I'm writing this on my new x60s and I am in love with it! The keyboard is as good as everyone says, the screen is the perfect size, and the trackpoint is sooo easy to get used to.  I also got a tiny travel mouse to go with it too, so if you hate the trackpoint its an easy fix. I couldn't be happier with my decision!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 12, 2006, 09:05:15 PM
Anyone know where I can get a good deal on a reliable external hard drive?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 12, 2006, 09:25:41 PM
Anyone know where I can get a good deal on a reliable external hard drive?

read the last few pages of this thread.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WhirlsAway on July 13, 2006, 07:20:45 AM
Anyone know where I can get a good deal on a reliable external hard drive?

Check fatwallet.com often.  With deals and price matching, you can often get a good sized one for just $25-50.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 13, 2006, 07:24:02 AM
I'm writing this on my new x60s and I am in love with it! The keyboard is as good as everyone says, the screen is the perfect size, and the trackpoint is sooo easy to get used to.  I also got a tiny travel mouse to go with it too, so if you hate the trackpoint its an easy fix. I couldn't be happier with my decision!

How big is your screen?  Do you mind saying how much you paid for it?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Laurenrae52 on July 13, 2006, 07:31:01 AM
The screen is the 12 inch one and I love it.  Its small, but there is plenty of room for me.

I paid $1600 for the computer (1GB of memory, 80GB hard drive (or maybe its the other way around, I don't know computers) x6 ultrabase with the dvd/cd rw, 8 cell battery) Harvard has great deals with IBMs though, I think the system should have been like $2800 or something.

I'd say its worth it though.  The thing is sooo light and tiny, I can just put it in my tote bag and carry it to class.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 13, 2006, 08:00:31 AM
The screen is the 12 inch one and I love it.  Its small, but there is plenty of room for me.

I paid $1600 for the computer (1GB of memory, 80GB hard drive (or maybe its the other way around, I don't know computers) x6 ultrabase with the dvd/cd rw, 8 cell battery) Harvard has great deals with IBMs though, I think the system should have been like $2800 or something.

I'd say its worth it though.  The thing is sooo light and tiny, I can just put it in my tote bag and carry it to class.

Damn Harvard and its discounts!  Lol.  I'm just jealous.  Uber-jealous.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 13, 2006, 08:09:56 AM
Damn Harvard and its discounts!  Lol.  I'm just jealous.  Uber-jealous.

Alumni of Harvard can also receive the same discount, so if you attended for undergrad or something else...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 13, 2006, 08:12:18 AM
Damn Harvard and its discounts!  Lol.  I'm just jealous.  Uber-jealous.

Alumni of Harvard can also receive the same discount, so if you attended for undergrad or something else...

Sweet!  Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 13, 2006, 08:18:43 AM
Damn Harvard and its discounts!  Lol.  I'm just jealous.  Uber-jealous.

Alumni of Harvard can also receive the same discount, so if you attended for undergrad or something else...

Any Harvard alums want to buy one and sell it for $100 markup?   :P
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 13, 2006, 09:04:34 AM
Is $85 for a 80GB Western Digital external HD 3.5'' a good deal?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 13, 2006, 09:13:13 AM
Anyone know where I can get a good deal on a reliable external hard drive?

read the last few pages of this thread.

i did lots of looking around and finally settled on this iomega: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007W2IW4/104-3812722-1775122?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=172282

it's 250 gb/7200 rpm, got good reviews, and was only $140. i haven't used it yet but it looks good (and has a power switch). if it ends up having problems i'll share.

250GB is outrageous.  You should go with an 80GB for much less $$$.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 13, 2006, 09:15:03 AM
I got a 120GB HD a few years ago and had to delete stuff out because it got too full.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 13, 2006, 09:53:05 AM
i did lots of looking around and finally settled on this iomega: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007W2IW4/104-3812722-1775122?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=172282

it's 250 gb/7200 rpm, got good reviews, and was only $140. i haven't used it yet but it looks good (and has a power switch). if it ends up having problems i'll share.

The only issue with this particular drive is the 2MB cache size.  2MB is on the low end and 8MB is the next step up.  The cache will improve the speed/efficiency of the drive up to a point.


250GB is outrageous.  You should go with an 80GB for much less $$$.

It all depends on what you do with the drive.  If you just store text files, 80GB is overkill - in fact, 80MB would be overkill in that case.  If you store ISOs or WAV files then you can burn through 80GB in no time.

The difference between $85 and $140 is not what I would characterize as much less; I'd say you're getting much less drive than money you'd be saving...you save 39% but lose 68% of the drive space.  Still, you can do better than $140 for a 250GB external drive.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 13, 2006, 11:16:26 AM
Typhoon,
Does this look good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136020
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 13, 2006, 12:51:08 PM
Woohoo!  I just ordered my laptop!  Newegg has sick deals on the Toshiba R200 series.

Congrats Mugatu! I saw that Compusa was getting rid of theirs as well. do they now have a core duo option in that line?

Such a slick little laptop.....

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 13, 2006, 01:05:52 PM
Typhoon,
Does this look good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136020

If you're going with a 2MB cache, you can do it cheaper for an 80GB external:
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk%3B22927744%3B12119337%3Bh%3Fhttp://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay%3F%26storeId%3D10001%26langId%3D-1%26catalogId%3D10051%26partNumber%3D594741%26cm_mmc%3DFroogle-_-Shopping-_-ProductFeed-_-listing&fr=AJBXuBXbkTA62-jwB-cJbsEQ_9nbmhqkA5Sc1c1nwBe9AAAAAAAAAAA&sa=X&oi=froogle&ct=result&cd=2
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 13, 2006, 02:06:58 PM
Typhoon,
Does this look good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136020

If you're going with a 2MB cache, you can do it cheaper for an 80GB external:
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk%3B22927744%3B12119337%3Bh%3Fhttp://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StaplesProductDisplay%3F%26storeId%3D10001%26langId%3D-1%26catalogId%3D10051%26partNumber%3D594741%26cm_mmc%3DFroogle-_-Shopping-_-ProductFeed-_-listing&fr=AJBXuBXbkTA62-jwB-cJbsEQ_9nbmhqkA5Sc1c1nwBe9AAAAAAAAAAA&sa=X&oi=froogle&ct=result&cd=2


Thanks, you saved me some $$.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 13, 2006, 02:47:46 PM
How does these specs stack up?  Will this notebook be sufficient for 3 years of law school?  I did not even consider the ThinkPad until I read the reviews on this thread.


Product Description:    Lenovo ThinkPad X60 - Core Duo T2400 1.83 GHz - 12.1" TFT

From what I've read, when compared to the X60s the X60 runs hotter, the battery lasts not quite as long, the machine can't use the slim version of the 4-cell battery, the machine is slightly heavier, and the fan runs more often, runs faster, and is louder.  The main advantage of the X60 is that you get a faster processor...that's about it.  I'm a pretty demanding computer user and I haven't been disappointed by the X60s' low voltage L2400 duo processor; in fact I've heard of people ordering the L2300 because it's even cooler and quieter and they're still quite happy with the performance.

An extra you might consider: bluetooth...some people with cell phones can use their phone to provide the laptop with an internet connection when away from a convenient network.  It's not absolutely needed...you could always buy a USB bluetooth device.  A nice convenience is finger print reader...it's great if you were actually going to secure your system anyway.  With a single swipe of my finger I'm automatically logged into the machine, into the hardrive, into the BIOS, and into Windows XP.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 13, 2006, 10:24:07 PM
Also...probably will need XP Pro for school.

XP Pro is a must if you don't want to have possible issue with your schools network(s).

I however decided not to pay $150 for it on my new dell and use my schools free upgrade instead.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 14, 2006, 09:39:27 AM
Woohoo!  I just ordered my laptop!  Newegg has sick deals on the Toshiba R200 series.

Link?

How much was it?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: redsawxnation on July 14, 2006, 09:58:27 AM
anyone see any other laptops similiar to this hp model in which there is a numeric key on the right side...anyone have any ideas about this model? also is having the numeric key overrated ?

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_series.do?series_name=dv8000_series&catLevel=2&category=notebooks/hp_pavilion&storeName=computer_store
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 14, 2006, 10:26:09 AM
I am considering a Thinkpad T43.  When I really think about it, I don't NEED the Core Duo, and it seems like the T43 can be had for a bargain.  Any opinions?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 14, 2006, 10:56:53 AM
I am considering a Thinkpad T43.  When I really think about it, I don't NEED the Core Duo, and it seems like the T43 can be had for a bargain.  Any opinions?

Freak, do it. If you really do not have a need for the latest and greatest, why not take the opportunity to save a few sheckels? It is not like you are buying a sub-par brand name to do this.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 14, 2006, 12:35:11 PM
Woohoo!  I just ordered my laptop!  Newegg has sick deals on the Toshiba R200 series.

Link?

How much was it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205)

Plus, since it's newegg, it came today.   :D

Let us know how you like it.

The only thing I'd be hesitant about is the 4200RPM hard drive, otherwise looks solid.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Nellbelle on July 14, 2006, 12:52:56 PM
I just received my dell e1505 that I got an awesome deal on after following some coupon leads posted on this site. I loaded it up with extras to where it was well over 1000 and then used the 30% off coupon. I still also received the free upgrade to 1gb of RAM and free shipping as well.

I used the coupon from dealnews that someone posted here a while back. Initially is wouldn't work and I actually cancelled my order and resubmitted as it started working again.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 14, 2006, 01:21:58 PM
i asked this before and seeing this will ask again, if i'm only using my notebook for school and possibly dowbloading music hear and there is a duo core necessary and would someone like myself notice the difference??

I am considering a Thinkpad T43.  When I really think about it, I don't NEED the Core Duo, and it seems like the T43 can be had for a bargain.  Any opinions?

Freak, do it. If you really do not have a need for the latest and greatest, why not take the opportunity to save a few sheckels? It is not like you are buying a sub-par brand name to do this.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 14, 2006, 01:36:53 PM
i asked this before and seeing this will ask again, if i'm only using my notebook for school and possibly dowbloading music hear and there is a duo core necessary and would someone like myself notice the difference??

I am considering a Thinkpad T43.  When I really think about it, I don't NEED the Core Duo, and it seems like the T43 can be had for a bargain.  Any opinions?

Freak, do it. If you really do not have a need for the latest and greatest, why not take the opportunity to save a few sheckels? It is not like you are buying a sub-par brand name to do this.

Oingo

you don't need duo core for that. hth
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 14, 2006, 01:47:44 PM
thanks, i just did some searching for a thinkpad X41 non tablet to no avail, so ill prolly end up getting an X60 (really want a 12inch) and the dell latitudes that are the same size are only 200 less

i asked this before and seeing this will ask again, if i'm only using my notebook for school and possibly dowbloading music hear and there is a duo core necessary and would someone like myself notice the difference??

I am considering a Thinkpad T43.  When I really think about it, I don't NEED the Core Duo, and it seems like the T43 can be had for a bargain.  Any opinions?

Freak, do it. If you really do not have a need for the latest and greatest, why not take the opportunity to save a few sheckels? It is not like you are buying a sub-par brand name to do this.

Oingo

you don't need duo core for that. hth
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 14, 2006, 01:48:34 PM
I don't practice much restraint when it comes to technology so I ordered my well equipped Dell M1210 yesterday. I didn't get the built in camera although I thought it would have been cool in class.

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1210?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs (http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1210?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs)

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 14, 2006, 03:45:05 PM
Woohoo!  I just ordered my laptop!  Newegg has sick deals on the Toshiba R200 series.

Link?

How much was it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205)

Plus, since it's newegg, it came today.   :D

Let us know how it is. I spent some time playing with one at CompUSA not too long ago and came amy impressed. The thing does not feel one bit hollow in construction like the dozens of HPs, Sonys and Compaqs out there. It kind of reminded me of an expensive watch, if that makes any sense at all.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WhirlsAway on July 14, 2006, 03:45:29 PM
Woohoo!  I just ordered my laptop!  Newegg has sick deals on the Toshiba R200 series.

Link?

How much was it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205)

Plus, since it's newegg, it came today.   :D

Let us know how you like it.

The only thing I'd be hesitant about is the 4200RPM hard drive, otherwise looks solid.

It's here and one person mistook it for a frisbee.

At 2.84lbs, it's practically as light as a frisbee.  I can't decide if I want it.  :-[  The Dell Deal Days aren't so hot and none of their notebooks are even under 3lbs, especially after I stick on the extended battery.

Mugatu, have you had a chance to see if the battery lasts 4+ hours?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Nellbelle on July 14, 2006, 04:30:57 PM
Question for anyone that knows.

I have read the recommendations that we have XP Pro. I didn't change that configuration of my computer when we bought it because I hadn't read all of this thread yet. I was hoping actually since I have the upgrade CD that I used on my desktop I might be able to upgrade xp media center edition to xp pro with that CD. Anyone know if this should work even though I have already used it on one computer?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 14, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
Woohoo!  I just ordered my laptop!  Newegg has sick deals on the Toshiba R200 series.

Link?

How much was it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834114205)

Plus, since it's newegg, it came today.   :D

Let us know how you like it.

The only thing I'd be hesitant about is the 4200RPM hard drive, otherwise looks solid.

Upgrading is easy.  I spent $90 on an 80 GB 5400 RPM drive. It took two seconds to swap out, and then maybe an hour to load the software.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on July 14, 2006, 05:06:31 PM
Question for anyone that knows.

I have read the recommendations that we have XP Pro. I didn't change that configuration of my computer when we bought it because I hadn't read all of this thread yet. I was hoping actually since I have the upgrade CD that I used on my desktop I might be able to upgrade xp media center edition to xp pro with that CD. Anyone know if this should work even though I have already used it on one computer?

It would upgrade, but you wouldn't be able to activate it w/ Microsoft.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Nellbelle on July 14, 2006, 05:11:10 PM
But it will still work right....but does that mean no updates?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: dudette26 on July 14, 2006, 06:46:32 PM
what do you guys think of the

Inspiron 6400
1.66GHz 1GB 80GB 15.4"

Intel® Core™ Duo processor T2050 (2MB Cache/1.60GHz/533MHz FSB

on sale at dell for today $649!!! why is it so cheap??
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 14, 2006, 06:51:03 PM
what do you guys think of the

Inspiron 6400
1.66GHz 1GB 80GB 15.4"

Intel® Core™ Duo processor T2050 (2MB Cache/1.60GHz/533MHz FSB

on sale at dell for today $649!!! why is it so cheap??

10 days of Deals, Dell is purportedly flushing out alot of supplier inventory in preperation for the new Core 2 Duo processors

Whatever the validity to this, the deals they have had aren't bad.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on July 14, 2006, 07:02:54 PM
Nell,

Look on the C drive of your upgraded pc desktop to see if you have a folder called I386. If so open that forlder and look for a file called "unattend.txt".  Open this file in notepad and look for the section:

[userData]
ProductKey:XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX
FullName:"xxxxxx"
OrgName:"XXXXXX"
ComputerName=*

Use this product key when prompted during the upgrade.  Should have full functionality of XP Pro without having to activate again if the upgrade CD works on your laptop.

If you do have the I386 folder and cant find the unattend.txt then do a Google search for Magic Jellybean.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on July 14, 2006, 08:14:33 PM
But it will still work right....but does that mean no updates?

If you know some tricks and download a few things, it will work right.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 14, 2006, 08:25:26 PM
I bought a dell XP Pro restore CD and it doesn't need a key if you put it on a dell. If someone has a dell.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Nellbelle on July 14, 2006, 11:01:52 PM
You guys are awesome!!

I am in process of a move but will try this all next week when I get there. Thanx!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 15, 2006, 11:01:28 AM
weight vs screen sizes


If you get the docking station for the X60 along with a monitor to hook up to the docking station, or if you have a desktop you will use at home, then the X60 is a little more promising, imo. If you just want one computer, and no docking station, then I'd get the T-series.

I'm getting the X60.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 15, 2006, 11:20:23 AM

If you get the docking station for the X60 along with a monitor to hook up to the docking station, or if you have a desktop you will use at home, then the X60 is a little more promising, imo. If you just want one computer, and no docking station, then I'd get the T-series.

I would rather not mess with the extra-hardware of a docking station or another desktop. How do the specs look for the aforementioned computer?  Pretty standard?

I would get a gig of RAM and forego the ATI card, as it will serve no functional purpose and will decrease battery life.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 15, 2006, 11:25:26 AM

If you get the docking station for the X60 along with a monitor to hook up to the docking station, or if you have a desktop you will use at home, then the X60 is a little more promising, imo. If you just want one computer, and no docking station, then I'd get the T-series.

I would rather not mess with the extra-hardware of a docking station or another desktop. How do the specs look for the aforementioned computer?  Pretty standard?

I would get a gig of RAM and forego the ATI card, as it will serve no functional purpose and will decrease battery life.

agreed
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 15, 2006, 05:12:23 PM
I would get a gig of RAM and forego the ATI card, as it will serve no functional purpose and will decrease battery life.

I disagree.  Get the ATI card, you can always add memory later...adding the video card may not be possible.  I don't know that particular model of graphics card but I've read that the power loss between discrete and integrated graphics cards need not be overly large.  Most laptop graphics cards allow you to select a power saving mode to conserve energy.  On the sony Vaio SZ with integrated and discrete cards, the battery savings was 30 minutes or less.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on July 15, 2006, 07:35:34 PM
I would get a gig of RAM and forego the ATI card, as it will serve no functional purpose and will decrease battery life.

I disagree.  Get the ATI card, you can always add memory later...adding the video card may not be possible.  I don't know that particular model of graphics card but I've read that the power loss between discrete and integrated graphics cards need not be overly large.  Most laptop graphics cards allow you to select a power saving mode to conserve energy.  On the sony Vaio SZ with integrated and discrete cards, the battery savings was 30 minutes or less.

I respectfully disagree. The benefits of a better video card are likely to be negligible for a law student who's not doing a lot of gaming or AutoCAD type stuff. The system will perform noticeably better with 1GB of RAM or more. It is true that it's easy to upgrade RAM, but why get something you aren't likely to take advantage of and forgoe something which you would benefit from every time you use your computer?

Also, avoid the Inspiron. If you're getting a Dell laptop, get the Latitude series. They are made better and will withstand the abuse of daily use in class much better. Also, be sure to get 3 years of on-site, next business day warranty service that includes accidental damage.

The specs on the laptop the OP linked to look fine. It will be sufficient for any law related tasks you will perform, with the aforementioned caveat about 1GB of RAM giving much better performance. And on the subject of performance, a drive with 7200rpm will perform better than the slower 5400rpm. This is especially an issue if you have less RAM and thus force the operating system to make heavier use of the SWAP file (a hard drive substitute for RAM).

my 2 cents
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 15, 2006, 07:47:09 PM
I had the option of Integrated or a Nvidia 256mb, I don't even want to have the option of gaming on it.

There might be an arguement to get a good card to support windows vista, but thats a ways off.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WhirlsAway on July 16, 2006, 06:38:02 AM
When Lenovo says "Customer Carry-in Repair" is that the same as depot repair?  Does it mean I have to pay for shipping costs or does Lenovo just send me a pre-paid box?

Thanks in advance.  I tried to find the answer on the Lenovo website and googling but no luck (probably b/c it's so obvious and I'm clueless).  :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Yale College Inferno on July 16, 2006, 07:18:17 AM
When Lenovo says "Customer Carry-in Repair" is that the same as depot repair?  Does it mean I have to pay for shipping costs or does Lenovo just send me a pre-paid box?

Thanks in advance.  I tried to find the answer on the Lenovo website and googling but no luck (probably b/c it's so obvious and I'm clueless).  :)

It means you have to carry the laptop to the Lenovo center yourself.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on July 16, 2006, 07:19:39 AM
When Lenovo says "Customer Carry-in Repair" is that the same as depot repair?  Does it mean I have to pay for shipping costs or does Lenovo just send me a pre-paid box?

Thanks in advance.  I tried to find the answer on the Lenovo website and googling but no luck (probably b/c it's so obvious and I'm clueless).  :)

It means you have to carry the laptop to the Lenovo center yourself.

I hope you have good shoes...China is a long walk. :P
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WhirlsAway on July 16, 2006, 07:57:05 AM
When Lenovo says "Customer Carry-in Repair" is that the same as depot repair?  Does it mean I have to pay for shipping costs or does Lenovo just send me a pre-paid box?

Thanks in advance.  I tried to find the answer on the Lenovo website and googling but no luck (probably b/c it's so obvious and I'm clueless).  :)

It means you have to carry the laptop to the Lenovo center yourself.

I hope you have good shoes...China is a long walk. :P

I'll relive the cartoons of childhood and dig a tunnel all the way to China.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lightessenz on July 16, 2006, 09:15:06 AM
If you want to run VISTA, then i would recommend getting a video card upgrade if you have the option. It  is one of those options on a laptop that can NEVER be upgraded...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 16, 2006, 09:21:22 AM
If you want to run VISTA, then i would recommend getting a video card upgrade if you have the option. It  is one of those options on a laptop that can NEVER be upgraded...

Another reason to get the graphics card is that it might improve the resale value slightly.  You'd be buying the top end of the T series anyways with the 15" screen...you might as well pay the extra $100 or whatever it is with a student discount for the difference in the machines.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 16, 2006, 11:13:35 AM
If you want to run VISTA, then i would recommend getting a video card upgrade if you have the option. It  is one of those options on a laptop that can NEVER be upgraded...

You would have to be an absolute moron to upgrade to VISTA on a laptop.  CNET has a well-documented effort at running at VISTA and couldn't even get over 2hrs on the machine.  It's a hog that doesn't offer any tangible benefits to XP.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 16, 2006, 01:29:43 PM
If you want to run VISTA, then i would recommend getting a video card upgrade if you have the option. It  is one of those options on a laptop that can NEVER be upgraded...

You would have to be an absolute moron to upgrade to VISTA on a laptop.  CNET has a well-documented effort at running at VISTA and couldn't even get over 2hrs on the machine.  It's a hog that doesn't offer any tangible benefits to XP.

Ya but, they did say that they were using an unoptimised version of Vista. Look for a defenite improvment when the final code ships.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lightessenz on July 16, 2006, 02:14:37 PM
Quote
You would have to be an absolute moron to upgrade to VISTA on a laptop.  CNET has a well-documented effort at running at VISTA and couldn't even get over 2hrs on the machine.  It's a hog that doesn't offer any tangible benefits to XP.

This doesn't change the fact that the graphics card is often the most crappy part on any given laptop, so it would be wise to change that while you can (before you buy). 

And, as has been pointed out, Vista may not run well now, but who knows what service packs/updates will do to improve its performance.  Anyway, some people may want to dual boot, or just experiment with it. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on July 16, 2006, 02:43:27 PM
It's important to remember that if you don't do any gaming, the added battery life from the integrated graphics is more beneficial than the added performance from a discrete graphics card.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 16, 2006, 02:47:14 PM
does anyone know if you can add the employee discount to a thinkpad purchased through your school? also about how much is the employee discount or does it depend on the machine?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 16, 2006, 03:18:56 PM
Generally it's not a good idea to disconnect the cable without stopping the drive.

You might be able to work around the issue this way:
-Open My Computer
-Right click the External Hardrive
-Select Properties
-Select the "Hardware" Tab
-Select the Drive that appears to be your External HD
-Click Properties
-Select the "Policies" Tab
-Choose the radio button for "Optimize for Quick Removal"
-Restart

Hopefully that will do it for you.  Performance will degrade somewhat because you won't be using the External HD's cache as effectively/possibly not at all.  If that doesn't work, something is using your External HD continuously, which would be why Windows cannot stop it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: cesco on July 16, 2006, 03:23:51 PM
i hope you don't mind if i ask an off-topic question -- only doing it in this thread because i'll be more likely to reach people who might have an answer.

i am trying to safely remove an external hard drive (iomega silver series) from my pc, but i keep getting the message that the drive 'cannot be stopped at this time,' despite the fact that all applications are closed and no backup is in progress. the iomega manual advises changing the settings on my recycle bin, but i followed those instructions and am still having the same problem.

has anyone else experienced/solved this before? would it be terrible to just unplug the hdd from the laptop (when it's not in the middle of backing things up, obviously) even when i can't 'safely remove' it?

if anyone has any advice i would be extremely grateful... pm's are welcome to avoid further disrupting the topic of this thread.

I have found www.notebookforums.com to be very helpful with one-off computer questions, or just to get information and read personal reviews of specific computers.

There is a ton of info there, and a lot of computer nerds that are very helpful and quick to answer questions.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 16, 2006, 04:01:47 PM
Quote
You would have to be an absolute moron to upgrade to VISTA on a laptop.  CNET has a well-documented effort at running at VISTA and couldn't even get over 2hrs on the machine.  It's a hog that doesn't offer any tangible benefits to XP.

This doesn't change the fact that the graphics card is often the most crappy part on any given laptop, so it would be wise to change that while you can (before you buy). 

And, as has been pointed out, Vista may not run well now, but who knows what service packs/updates will do to improve its performance.  Anyway, some people may want to dual boot, or just experiment with it. 

A dedicated graphic processor not only makes the laptop more expensive, but also significantly decreases its battery ife.  Unless you want to do serious gaming on the go, (why not do serious gaming on your desktop, laptop graphic cards are all crap anyways), do not get a dedicated video card.  It is a stupid, stupid idea. 
Windows Vista is nice, but for most law students its benefit is minimal. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 16, 2006, 04:11:13 PM
Vista is in Beta and everyone is screaming about 500mb of ram it uses and all the bugs. It's a beta!

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 16, 2006, 04:15:42 PM
I've had my current laptop for 3 years and on only two occasions have I been watching something on my laptop that the integrated graphics card was unable to handle. Most of the newer games recommend at least 128MB, so getting a discrete 64MB card really isn't going to do much for you anyway.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 16, 2006, 05:00:26 PM
I've had my current laptop for 3 years and on only two occasions have I been watching something on my laptop that the integrated graphics card was unable to handle. Most of the newer games recommend at least 128MB, so getting a discrete 64MB card really isn't going to do much for you anyway.

Agreed. As long as people don't settle for anything less than the Intel 950 chipset, which has been confirmed as Vista ready, they won't miss much from a discrete video card.

I guess my own personal "come to Jesus" moment with this happened when I discovered that my Intel 900 equipped Thinkpad X41 was beefy enough to play Quicktime HD and WMV video at 1080p. I didn't even think to try it at first because my old Athlon XP desktop with a ATI 9800pro (ableit on a older MB with 266MHZ memory) absolutely could not run any type of quicktime H.264 video.

Law school apps should be a breeze (comparatively)

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 16, 2006, 05:55:20 PM
Stupid Question,

At risk of (again) taking us off topic, what is the easiest way to backup pretty much everything in Microsoft Outlook? (Appointments, Contacts, Calendar, Journal). What would need to be done to restore these items?

Reason why I ask is I am not buying an external HD. Rather I am going to backup weekly onto a 1 gig SD card my Onenote and Outlook critical files and then image my HD (using IBM's software) monthly.

Any ideas?

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 16, 2006, 06:06:41 PM
Stupid Question,

At risk of (again) taking us off topic, what is the easiest way to backup pretty much everything in Microsoft Outlook? (Appointments, Contacts, Calendar, Journal). What would need to be done to restore these items?

Reason why I ask is I am not buying an external HD. Rather I am going to backup weekly onto a 1 gig SD card my Onenote and Outlook critical files and then image my HD (using IBM's software) monthly.

Any ideas?

Oingo

Good question.  If I knew the answer, I'd still have my contacts from before my old HD died.

The easiest for me is to back up onto my phone (Tmobile MDA).  It's super convenient--I have all my appts and contacts on me all the time.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 16, 2006, 06:41:18 PM
Stupid Question,

At risk of (again) taking us off topic, what is the easiest way to backup pretty much everything in Microsoft Outlook? (Appointments, Contacts, Calendar, Journal). What would need to be done to restore these items?

Reason why I ask is I am not buying an external HD. Rather I am going to backup weekly onto a 1 gig SD card my Onenote and Outlook critical files and then image my HD (using IBM's software) monthly.

Any ideas?

Oingo

Good question.  If I knew the answer, I'd still have my contacts from before my old HD died.

The easiest for me is to back up onto my phone (Tmobile MDA).  It's super convenient--I have all my appts and contacts on me all the time.

Lets say getting a phone or PDA was not an option. Anyone? Anyone?

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 16, 2006, 06:58:32 PM
It's been a really long time since I used Outlook, but I think all the information you need is saved into the .PST file(s).  You can just back them up yourself, XP Pro has a backup utility that you can use, or you can download the Personal Folders Backup Utility from Microsoft here http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8b081f3a-b7d0-4b16-b8af-5a6322f4fd01&DisplayLang=en (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=8b081f3a-b7d0-4b16-b8af-5a6322f4fd01&DisplayLang=en) that is specific to Outlook. hth
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 16, 2006, 07:05:47 PM
Stupid Question,

At risk of (again) taking us off topic, what is the easiest way to backup pretty much everything in Microsoft Outlook? (Appointments, Contacts, Calendar, Journal). What would need to be done to restore these items?

Reason why I ask is I am not buying an external HD. Rather I am going to backup weekly onto a 1 gig SD card my Onenote and Outlook critical files and then image my HD (using IBM's software) monthly.

Any ideas?

Oingo

The easiest way would be to backup the following folder:

C:\Documents and Settings\{INSERT USERNAME HERE}\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook

and you may also want backup these folders as well:

C:\Documents and Settings\{INSERT USERNAME HERE}\Application Data\Microsoft\Outlook

C:\Documents and Settings\{INSERT USERNAME HERE}\Application Data\Microsoft\Office

I could be wrong, but I'm 99% sure that's where the current Outlook data are stored, however I'm running 2000 on the current machine so the folder locations could be different for newer versions of Outlook.  There could also be Outlook data stored in other locations - MS can be fairly brain dead when it relates to centrally locating information for backup purposes.  If Outlook is set to archive your information every so many days, the archive data may be stored in another location...I'm not 100% sure as when I've used Outlook I shut off the auto-archive feature. 

You can also import/export to a file under the Outlook "File" menu option and then store that file.  You could also set Outlook to auto archive (I believe under "Tools" -> "Options" -> "Other" tab) to a location of your choice every X number of days (I believe you can tell it to not delete the information stored in Outlook when it archives) and you could then backup the file created in that location.

No matter what you do, I would recommend that when dealing with Outlook files that you store multiple backups...in other words, don't just have one file that you rely on to be your only source of recovery.  If the DB gets corrupted on your backup you're just as hosed but if you can fall back to an older date, hopefully you'll be ok.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on July 16, 2006, 08:01:42 PM
On the topic of backing up Outlook:

The previous posters gave good info about how to back up Outlook data. Another option I would highly commend to you is Plaxo (http://www.plaxo.com). It is a free service that lets you sync your Contacts, Notes, Calendar, and Tasks. It keeps an always-up-to-date copy on the secure website which you can access from anywhere and also will sync with your local copy of Outlook. This has been great for me because I use Outlook on my laptop, my desktop, and my work computer. It lets me keep my contacts and calendars up to date so that no matter what computer I use I always have the current info. This can also be a great way to backup in that after you install on a new computer or re-install on your old computer you can simply sync up with the Plaxo service and you instantly have all your info. ... Note that it does not sync your e-mail or your journal.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: cesco on July 16, 2006, 09:04:01 PM
FYI....
I posted this on the 'girls/laptop bag' thread, but for those of you that do not read that thread....


----------------
Someone, somewhere on this board recommended www.sfbags.com for laptop sleeves.
I ordered one and just received it - it is GREAT!!  It is not too bulky and they customize them to the size of your laptop.  I got one w/o a flap or strap and it is perfect for me (a minimalist).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 16, 2006, 09:13:09 PM
On the topic of backing up Outlook:

The previous posters gave good info about how to back up Outlook data. Another option I would highly commend to you is Plaxo (http://www.plaxo.com). It is a free service that lets you sync your Contacts, Notes, Calendar, and Tasks. It keeps an always-up-to-date copy on the secure website which you can access from anywhere and also will sync with your local copy of Outlook. This has been great for me because I use Outlook on my laptop, my desktop, and my work computer. It lets me keep my contacts and calendars up to date so that no matter what computer I use I always have the current info. This can also be a great way to backup in that after you install on a new computer or re-install on your old computer you can simply sync up with the Plaxo service and you instantly have all your info. ... Note that it does not sync your e-mail or your journal.

How much is this service? I have a buddy that uses it. I am not so much concerned about my emails becuase they can be retreived from the server (I do not allow outlook to auto-delete these files). Plaxo may be the winner here.

Thanks man!

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on July 16, 2006, 09:19:11 PM
On the topic of backing up Outlook:

The previous posters gave good info about how to back up Outlook data. Another option I would highly commend to you is Plaxo (http://www.plaxo.com). It is a free service that lets you sync your Contacts, Notes, Calendar, and Tasks. It keeps an always-up-to-date copy on the secure website which you can access from anywhere and also will sync with your local copy of Outlook. This has been great for me because I use Outlook on my laptop, my desktop, and my work computer. It lets me keep my contacts and calendars up to date so that no matter what computer I use I always have the current info. This can also be a great way to backup in that after you install on a new computer or re-install on your old computer you can simply sync up with the Plaxo service and you instantly have all your info. ... Note that it does not sync your e-mail or your journal.

How much is this service? I have a buddy that uses it. I am not so much concerned about my emails becuase they can be retreived from the server (I do not allow outlook to auto-delete these files). Plaxo may be the winner here.

Thanks man!

Oingo

Free! :)

Quote
Someone, somewhere on this board recommended www.sfbags.com for laptop sleeves.
I ordered one and just received it - it is GREAT!!  It is not too bulky and they customize them to the size of your laptop.  I got one w/o a flap or strap and it is perfect for me (a minimalist).

Regarding bags, on the other end of the spectrum, I saw this option posted here a while back: http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/300/TB0104 (http://www.tombihn.com/page/001/PROD/300/TB0104)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 17, 2006, 04:15:24 AM
Also I bought this one for $40 on sale at Best Buy:

http://www.targus.com/us/product_details.asp?sku=TSB034US

It has a lot of great storage, and it's well-crafted overall.  Targus has many nice options.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: GreyStreet on July 17, 2006, 03:15:23 PM
So I am finally ready to buy a laptop!  Two weeks ago I was ready to buy an Apple, but I have since found that there may be a dependability question in a law school setting (esp. w/ BootCamp), which is a risk I am not willing to take.  Money is not an issue with this purchase as this is a graduation gift, however I would feel uncomfortable spending near $3,000 on any given machine (for example: T60p). With my discount, I can get the ThinkPad listed below for around $1,700;,which is more than $600 less than retail.  Can anybody see any problems with these specs?  Would this machine potentially be Vista ready?  I am not a tech expert by any means, so I have formulated this decision based on various school websites and this thread.  Is anything overkill or is anything lacking in this machine?  Feel free to P.M. me or respond if you have any advice.  Thanks.

Lenovo IBM Thinkpad T60 1GB Ram 1.83GHz 80GB 2613-EJU

Specifications:
Processor: Intel Core Duo processor T2400 (1.83GHz)
Memory (RAM): 1GB
Hard drive   : 80GB
Display: 15" TFT display (SXGA 1400x1050) - LCD
Graphics: 128MB ATI Radeon X1400
CD and DVD drive: CDRW/DVDR Multi-Burner drives
Networking: Intel 802.11abg wireless, ThinkPad 802.11abg, Bluetooth
Security: Fingerprint reader and Security chip
Battery:  Lithium Ion 9 cell
Operating System:  Microsoft Windows XP Pro
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 17, 2006, 03:17:16 PM
grey street, did you have to customize the machine before finding out how much the friends and family discount would be or is it a set percentage off?

great choice btw
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 17, 2006, 03:44:09 PM
GreyStreet, the computer looks good, but I am not sure you'd need a 128MB graphics card for a laptop unless you plan on doing any sort of graphics editing or gaming.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: GreyStreet on July 17, 2006, 04:39:23 PM
GreyStreet, the computer looks good, but I am not sure you'd need a 128MB graphics card for a laptop unless you plan on doing any sort of graphics editing or gaming.

thanks all!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 17, 2006, 05:17:50 PM
finally ordered my x60s today. came in just around $2,000 w/2 gigs of RAM, docking station, bluetooth, and the completely necessary fingerprint reader. I'm like James Bond, except uglier, and less adept and hand-to-hand combat.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 17, 2006, 05:22:54 PM
what size hardrive?
finally ordered my x60s today. came in just around $2,000 w/2 gigs of RAM, docking station, bluetooth, and the completely necessary fingerprint reader. I'm like James Bond, except uglier, and less adept and hand-to-hand combat.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 17, 2006, 05:44:23 PM
what size hardrive?
finally ordered my x60s today. came in just around $2,000 w/2 gigs of RAM, docking station, bluetooth, and the completely necessary fingerprint reader. I'm like James Bond, except uglier, and less adept and hand-to-hand combat.


I'm starting to think I don't want something that small and I don't want to have to get an external cd rom :-\ thinking I might just go with the T60...thoughts?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 17, 2006, 05:47:14 PM
you can't lose either way, stop into a comp usa, or best buy and see if the 12 inch is doable

nice to see you in a diff hood chica  ;)
what size hardrive?
finally ordered my x60s today. came in just around $2,000 w/2 gigs of RAM, docking station, bluetooth, and the completely necessary fingerprint reader. I'm like James Bond, except uglier, and less adept and hand-to-hand combat.


I'm starting to think I don't want something that small and I don't want to have to get an external cd rom :-\ thinking I might just go with the T60...thoughts?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 17, 2006, 05:50:16 PM
ok.  thanks, i've been holding it down in here with them for a min.  ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 17, 2006, 05:52:04 PM
never knew it, the down side of huge threads

ok.  thanks, i've been holding it down in here with them for a min.  ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 17, 2006, 05:54:37 PM
never knew it, the down side of huge threads

ok.  thanks, i've been holding it down in here with them for a min.  ;)

yea, well you know I lack any technical knowledge, and the folks have been very helpful and insightful (thx to all).  Have you purchased a cp yet?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 17, 2006, 06:00:37 PM
im waiting to see if the employee discount will be better than my school's, soon though
never knew it, the down side of huge threads

ok.  thanks, i've been holding it down in here with them for a min.  ;)

yea, well you know I lack any technical knowledge, and the folks have been very helpful and insightful (thx to all).  Have you purchased a cp yet?

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 17, 2006, 06:03:17 PM
im waiting to see if the employee discount will be better than my school's, soon though
never knew it, the down side of huge threads

ok.  thanks, i've been holding it down in here with them for a min.  ;)

yea, well you know I lack any technical knowledge, and the folks have been very helpful and insightful (thx to all).  Have you purchased a cp yet?


ha ha, I'm searching online now using my friend's employee discount.  If cheaper, it's my sister's Harvard alum discount :D Does your school discount thinkpads?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 17, 2006, 06:10:37 PM
it does indeed
im waiting to see if the employee discount will be better than my school's, soon though
never knew it, the down side of huge threads

ok.  thanks, i've been holding it down in here with them for a min.  ;)

yea, well you know I lack any technical knowledge, and the folks have been very helpful and insightful (thx to all).  Have you purchased a cp yet?


ha ha, I'm searching online now using my friend's employee discount.  If cheaper, it's my sister's Harvard alum discount :D Does your school discount thinkpads?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 17, 2006, 06:14:25 PM
it does indeed
im waiting to see if the employee discount will be better than my school's, soon though
never knew it, the down side of huge threads

ok.  thanks, i've been holding it down in here with them for a min.  ;)

 :o mine uses Dell and Gateway  >:( :(

yea, well you know I lack any technical knowledge, and the folks have been very helpful and insightful (thx to all).  Have you purchased a cp yet?


ha ha, I'm searching online now using my friend's employee discount.  If cheaper, it's my sister's Harvard alum discount :D Does your school discount thinkpads?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 17, 2006, 07:36:36 PM
What is the point of the fingerprint reader and how do you get the ful benefits of it?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 17, 2006, 07:40:36 PM
security!!!!!!!

and imagine nevr having to remember another password for your computer

What is the point of the fingerprint reader and how do you get the ful benefits of it?

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 17, 2006, 07:41:11 PM
It can log you into...
-The Computer
-The Harddrive
-The BIOS
-Windows
...instead of using a password.  If you set things up right, the computer could be useless for anyone without your fingerprint.

and I've heard you can use it inside IE and Firefox with some playing around/extensions.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on July 17, 2006, 08:57:44 PM
It can log you into...
-The Computer
-The Harddrive
-The BIOS
-Windows
...instead of using a password.  If you set things up right, the computer could be useless for anyone without your fingerprint.

and I've heard you can use it inside IE and Firefox with some playing around/extensions.


I got it on my D820. It's pretty cool. It's more cool than useful, probably, but it's quicker than typing in your password and more secure than typing your password in front of the guy sitting next to you in class every day. (Not that it's likely an issue, but still...) Anyway, it's fun!  ;D  ... My only complaint is that it doesn't have a cool animation to go along with it that scans the print and displays something like "Identity Confirmed! Welcome Law2k6!" :P
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 17, 2006, 09:24:06 PM
what size hardrive?
finally ordered my x60s today. came in just around $2,000 w/2 gigs of RAM, docking station, bluetooth, and the completely necessary fingerprint reader. I'm like James Bond, except uglier, and less adept and hand-to-hand combat.


I ordered the 40 gig one. I plan on replacing it with a 80 gig 7200 rpm drive. Look how easy it is: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62795
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 17, 2006, 10:42:34 PM
what size hardrive?
finally ordered my x60s today. came in just around $2,000 w/2 gigs of RAM, docking station, bluetooth, and the completely necessary fingerprint reader. I'm like James Bond, except uglier, and less adept and hand-to-hand combat.


I ordered the 40 gig one. I plan on replacing it with a 80 gig 7200 rpm drive. Look how easy it is: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-62795


How did you get your x60s so cheap!?!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 17, 2006, 10:51:15 PM
This is probably really stupid, but the Lenovo website is confusing me about warranty.

When you go to customize the product, there is a section for warranty that includes "Warranty Service Upgrades," "Extended Service Contracts," and "Protection Services."

Under "Protection Services," you can choose "3 Year Thinkpad Protection with 3 year IOR 9x5 NBD."  If you select this service, do you also need to select the 3 year IOR in the "Warranty Service Upgrades" section, or is it saying that the Thinkpad protection INCLUDES the IOR? 

Just thought it was a little confusing...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: beer gunner on July 17, 2006, 11:03:36 PM
I just got a Dell Inspiron 1505 with a dualcore 2300 processor, 80 MB of memory - I am pretty stoked on it and it surpasses the basic requirements for my school
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 18, 2006, 12:51:15 AM
This is probably really stupid, but the Lenovo website is confusing me about warranty.

When you go to customize the product, there is a section for warranty that includes "Warranty Service Upgrades," "Extended Service Contracts," and "Protection Services."

Under "Protection Services," you can choose "3 Year Thinkpad Protection with 3 year IOR 9x5 NBD."  If you select this service, do you also need to select the 3 year IOR in the "Warranty Service Upgrades" section, or is it saying that the Thinkpad protection INCLUDES the IOR? 

Just thought it was a little confusing...

I talked to customer support about this, and they said it was basically a goof on their end. One of those is meant for businesses, and the other one is meant for personal use. I can't remember which is which, unfortunately.

Regarding your question about pricing on the X60, I beat an EPP out of an IBM employee.  ;D

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 18, 2006, 06:59:33 AM
This is probably really stupid, but the Lenovo website is confusing me about warranty.

When you go to customize the product, there is a section for warranty that includes "Warranty Service Upgrades," "Extended Service Contracts," and "Protection Services."

Under "Protection Services," you can choose "3 Year Thinkpad Protection with 3 year IOR 9x5 NBD."  If you select this service, do you also need to select the 3 year IOR in the "Warranty Service Upgrades" section, or is it saying that the Thinkpad protection INCLUDES the IOR? 

Just thought it was a little confusing...

I was in the same situation as you, I called customer support before I bought my computer and this is what they told me:  the Thinkpad Protection is the same as the Extended Service Contract, it is just a way for them to differentiate between business and personal use.  If you order the Thinkpad Protection, the customer service guy said it "covers absolutely everything except for fire and theft."  It would then just be a question of whether you get the option where you have to ship it to their depot for repair or if they will send someone out to you.

Regarding the fingerprint reader, I was under the impression that you could set it up so that for password protected sites, all you have to do is swipe your finger.  However, it seems to me that you have to click the icon on the tool bar first, wait for the program to load, and then swipe your finger (assuming you have set it up for the particular website) this takes much longer than just typing in the password, or setting the site to automatically log you in.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WhirlsAway on July 18, 2006, 10:19:58 AM
If you live in FL or CA, the "extended service contract" is not available for consumer purchase.  On the website, it seems to only limit the "protection services" for accidental damage.  However, when I read the fine print of purchase confirmation Lenovo emailed me, it also excludes FL and CA in the "extended service contract".  I emailed Lenovo to clarify and they confirmed that it was not valid.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 18, 2006, 10:24:52 AM
If you live in FL or CA, the "extended service contract" is not available for consumer purchase.  On the website, it seems to only limit the "protection services" for accidental damage.  However, when I read the fine print of purchase confirmation Lenovo emailed me, it also excludes FL and CA in the "extended service contract".  I emailed Lenovo to clarify and they confirmed that it was not valid.

Most companies do not offer extended service contracts in Florida due to the risk of lightning and hurricanes. When I got my laptop a few years ago I wasn't able to find anyone reputable who would offer it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: WhirlsAway on July 18, 2006, 10:41:57 AM
If you live in FL or CA, the "extended service contract" is not available for consumer purchase.  On the website, it seems to only limit the "protection services" for accidental damage.  However, when I read the fine print of purchase confirmation Lenovo emailed me, it also excludes FL and CA in the "extended service contract".  I emailed Lenovo to clarify and they confirmed that it was not valid.

Most companies do not offer extended service contracts in Florida due to the risk of lightning and hurricanes. When I got my laptop a few years ago I wasn't able to find anyone reputable who would offer it.

Dell makes that VERY clear when you order from them but I thought since the "extended service" at Lenovo said "Extended Service Contract 3 YR onsite repair 9x5 next day," I was hoping that they could at least come by and fix it if something goes wrong or breaks.  I understand not covering electrical surges, weather-related problems, etc (considering that my desktop just shut down due to the lightning outside).  Thinkpad quality is excellento so I don't expect any problems, but the warrnaty would have been nice for peace of mind.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 10:45:22 AM
If you live in FL or CA, the "extended service contract" is not available for consumer purchase.  On the website, it seems to only limit the "protection services" for accidental damage.  However, when I read the fine print of purchase confirmation Lenovo emailed me, it also excludes FL and CA in the "extended service contract".  I emailed Lenovo to clarify and they confirmed that it was not valid.

Most companies do not offer extended service contracts in Florida due to the risk of lightning and hurricanes. When I got my laptop a few years ago I wasn't able to find anyone reputable who would offer it.


Hmmm...well if I have it shipped to me before I leave for FL will that work?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 18, 2006, 10:49:16 AM
If you're trying to mail your computer in from Florida or need on-site service from Florida, I'm pretty sure that would nullify your warranty. The only way to get around it is send to a family member/friend who can call in for you and then have someone come to their house. I had to do that when I was living abroad and was out of a computer for two months as a result.
Title: PSA: Thinkpad Sales
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 11:10:34 AM
Lenovo is discounting their notebooks quite heavily right now with a back to school sale.

You can get a x60s w/ultrabase for 1800.
Title: Re: PSA: Thinkpad Sales
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 11:14:45 AM
Lenovo is discounting their notebooks quite heavily right now with a back to school sale.

You can get a x60s w/ultrabase for 1800.

really, that's how much I was going to get it for with an employee discount  :-\

Title: Re: PSA: Thinkpad Sales
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 11:19:49 AM
Lenovo is discounting their notebooks quite heavily right now with a back to school sale.

You can get a x60s w/ultrabase for 1800.

really, that's how much I was going to get it for with an employee discount  :-\



it always puzzles me when people are upset that they didn't get the BEST deal.  it's a sweet deal regardless of how you get it.  be happy!!!
Title: Re: PSA: Thinkpad Sales
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 11:28:39 AM
Lenovo is discounting their notebooks quite heavily right now with a back to school sale.

You can get a x60s w/ultrabase for 1800.

really, that's how much I was going to get it for with an employee discount  :-\



it always puzzles me when people are upset that they didn't get the BEST deal.  it's a sweet deal regardless of how you get it.  be happy!!!

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm estatic!!! I've just been spending all day going through this and I've no clue about this specs crap so I've been looking for the cheapest price.  Just vengint my frustration of knowing I didn't have to go through all of that. ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: loveless on July 18, 2006, 11:49:53 AM
Just bought....

MacBook (white)
1.83 GHz Dual Core
60GB HD
1GB RAM

And added on 3 years of AppleCare, a 30GB video iPod and an HP 3-in-1 color printer. After the money my pops owed me and rebates, I spent a grand total of $310. Adding on BootCamp, XP Pro and the full Office suite will run me another $50-70 thanks to student discounts.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yoyos on July 18, 2006, 12:41:04 PM
i also need assistance. I too want to purchase the X60, but i dunno which one is the better deal. I have three options:

1. NYU bookstore deal--> price $1885
3411792 ThinkPad X60 12.1” XGA, Core Duo T2400 (1.83GHz), 512MB, 60GB HD, .003401778 Ultrabase Ultrabase with CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive, Gigabit Ethernet,2426020 Combo Drive Integrated Intel GMA 950 Video card, 802.11a/b/g Wireless card, Internal 56k modem, No floppy drive, Windows XP Professional, 3 year on-site limited warranty with Protection Plus, Wt.: 3.1 lbs. without media base

2.Lenovo Back to School special---> price $1399
Thinkpad x60
•  Intel® Centrino® Duo Mobile Technology  •  Intel Core Duo processor T2400 (1.83GHz)[2]
 
 •  Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG[14]
 
 
   •  4.10 lbs; (W)10.5" x (D)8.3" x (H)0.8"[7]
 
   •  512MB DDR2 SDRAM[3]
 
   •  60GB 5400rpm hard drive[4]
 
   •  CD-RW/DVD-ROM w/ X6 Ultrabase
 
   •  1-year limited warranty[8]
Shared features:
 
 •  Genuine Windows® XP Professional Edition[6]
 
 •  Bluetooth
 
 •  12.1" XGA TFT (1024x768) display
 
 •  Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
 
 •  Integrated Gigabit Ethernet and modem 
 
 •  8 cell Lithium-Ion battery[3]
 
 •  Integrated Fingerprint Reader

 but i am going to have to buy the extend warranty so add an add'l 300$


3.Lenovo Back to School special---> price $1799

Thinkpad x60s
 Key differences
   •  Intel Core Duo processor L2400 (1.66GHz)  •  ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless
 
 
   •  3.97 lbs; (W)10.5" x (D)8.3" x (H)0.8"
 
   •  1GB DDR2 SDRAM
 
   •  100GB 5400rpm hard drive
 
   •  DVD Recordable w/ X6 Ultrabase
 
   •  3-year system/1-year battery limited warranty
Shared features:
 
 •  Genuine Windows® XP Professional Edition[6]
 
 •  Bluetooth
 
 •  12.1" XGA TFT (1024x768) display
 
 •  Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
 
 •  Integrated Gigabit Ethernet and modem 
 
 •  8 cell Lithium-Ion battery[3]
 
 •  Integrated Fingerprint Reader
 
 
 
any advice would be greatly appreciated  ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 12:48:37 PM
Not that I'm in any way an expert on computers, but based on the reasearch I've done thus far, I would say option 3 seems like the best deal.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 01:30:45 PM
i also need assistance. I too want to purchase the X60, but i dunno which one is the better deal. I have three options:

1. NYU bookstore deal--> price $1885
3411792 ThinkPad X60 12.1” XGA, Core Duo T2400 (1.83GHz), 512MB, 60GB HD, .003401778 Ultrabase Ultrabase with CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive, Gigabit Ethernet,2426020 Combo Drive Integrated Intel GMA 950 Video card, 802.11a/b/g Wireless card, Internal 56k modem, No floppy drive, Windows XP Professional, 3 year on-site limited warranty with Protection Plus, Wt.: 3.1 lbs. without media base

2.Lenovo Back to School special---> price $1399
Thinkpad x60
•  Intel® Centrino® Duo Mobile Technology  •  Intel Core Duo processor T2400 (1.83GHz)[2]
 
 •  Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG[14]
 
 
   •  4.10 lbs; (W)10.5" x (D)8.3" x (H)0.8"[7]
 
   •  512MB DDR2 SDRAM[3]
 
   •  60GB 5400rpm hard drive[4]
 
   •  CD-RW/DVD-ROM w/ X6 Ultrabase
 
   •  1-year limited warranty[8]
Shared features:
 
 •  Genuine Windows® XP Professional Edition[6]
 
 •  Bluetooth
 
 •  12.1" XGA TFT (1024x768) display
 
 •  Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
 
 •  Integrated Gigabit Ethernet and modem 
 
 •  8 cell Lithium-Ion battery[3]
 
 •  Integrated Fingerprint Reader

 but i am going to have to buy the extend warranty so add an add'l 300$


3.Lenovo Back to School special---> price $1799

Thinkpad x60s
 Key differences
   •  Intel Core Duo processor L2400 (1.66GHz)  •  ThinkPad 11a/b/g Wi-Fi wireless
 
 
   •  3.97 lbs; (W)10.5" x (D)8.3" x (H)0.8"
 
   •  1GB DDR2 SDRAM
 
   •  100GB 5400rpm hard drive
 
   •  DVD Recordable w/ X6 Ultrabase
 
   •  3-year system/1-year battery limited warranty
Shared features:
 
 •  Genuine Windows® XP Professional Edition[6]
 
 •  Bluetooth
 
 •  12.1" XGA TFT (1024x768) display
 
 •  Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950
 
 •  Integrated Gigabit Ethernet and modem 
 
 •  8 cell Lithium-Ion battery[3]
 
 •  Integrated Fingerprint Reader
 
 
 
any advice would be greatly appreciated  ;)

Just depends.  If you want the x60, I think you'll get a better deal going directly through lenovo right now.  The x60 is probably the most bang for your buck.  the x60s is a bit slower, but has longer batter life and is a bit thinner.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yoyos on July 18, 2006, 01:59:44 PM
Thanks for everyone’s advice. But i just contacted lenovo directly and they told me to go through the university. He specifically said, “you always do better when u go through the university” he said the computers were specifically made for the university’s  use and  were manufactured better and are always at a better discount than the ones listed on the website. i was shocked that he was so candid. but i swear he said it.

having a great warranty is important to me. He said that if i were to add the warranty that the university provides (onsite WITH protection plus) it would be an add'l 500$ for the computer.

Also his comments regarding the computer’s quality raised add’l questions. Such as whats the real reason lenovo is having discounts on those particular computers? R they refurbished or using old parts? Its def. something to think about.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 02:42:59 PM
Thanks for everyone’s advice. But i just contacted lenovo directly and they told me to go through the university. He specifically said, “you always do better when u go through the university” he said the computers were specifically made for the university’s  use and  were manufactured better and are always at a better discount than the ones listed on the website. i was shocked that he was so candid. but i swear he said it.

having a great warranty is important to me. He said that if i were to add the warranty that the university provides (onsite WITH protection plus) it would be an add'l 500$ for the computer.

Also his comments regarding the computer’s quality raised add’l questions. Such as whats the real reason lenovo is having discounts on those particular computers? R they refurbished or using old parts? Its def. something to think about.

I'm skeptical as to what he means.  Your school doesn't need to offer onsite warranty if they have technicians able to handle your computer.  My school's is certified to fix thinkpads, so I don't need more than the base warranty (though I'm getting the Accidental coverage).  I was specifically told by my school to purchase through the website because they couldn't get a better deal on the x60s than the website offered.

The machines won't be any different.  In the end, the price ends up being pretty much the same anyway.  Do what you want.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lightessenz on July 18, 2006, 03:17:44 PM
A lot of people going with 12.1 inch screens...I have always felt like that was too small to work with for long periods of times (papers etc.)

Maybe it doesn't bug other people, but I am going for at least 14.1.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 03:25:18 PM
A lot of people going with 12.1 inch screens...I have always felt like that was too small to work with for long periods of times (papers etc.)

Maybe it doesn't bug other people, but I am going for at least 14.1.

I'm buying a monitor for home to alleviate that problem and I also have another computer as well. ;)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 04:32:50 PM
Those people all might have big, bad desktops at home.   ;)

I'm getting a Dell Ultrasharp 17" that will plug into the docking station for the 12.1" laptop.  That should be pretty nice.

The 17" Ultrasharp is only $202.00 right now ($215.00 [tax included] with free shipping).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 18, 2006, 05:09:26 PM
MD, did/is someone getting an X60??
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 05:11:49 PM
Is the expected shipping date accurate??  I ordered one and it said the expected ship date is 8/09.  That doesn't work well for me, because I'm leaving home on the 13th... Does IBM/Lenovo beat their expected shipping dates regularly???
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 18, 2006, 05:31:56 PM
Is the expected shipping date accurate??  I ordered one and it said the expected ship date is 8/09.  That doesn't work well for me, because I'm leaving home on the 13th... Does IBM/Lenovo beat their expected shipping dates regularly???

Yeah, I got an 8/02 shipping date from China. Kind of a pain, but oh well. Did anyone get the EV-DO option on their thinkpad? I meant to, but forgot. I don't think I care enough to call back and change it, though.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 05:49:29 PM
MD, did/is someone getting an X60??

Are they?  Man, you just can't win.  It's like buying a car.  ::) We're buying refurbished computers Lex! :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on July 18, 2006, 05:49:58 PM
Thanks for everyone’s advice. But i just contacted lenovo directly and they told me to go through the university. He specifically said, “you always do better when u go through the university” he said the computers were specifically made for the university’s  use and  were manufactured better and are always at a better discount than the ones listed on the website. i was shocked that he was so candid. but i swear he said it.

having a great warranty is important to me. He said that if i were to add the warranty that the university provides (onsite WITH protection plus) it would be an add'l 500$ for the computer.

Also his comments regarding the computer’s quality raised add’l questions. Such as whats the real reason lenovo is having discounts on those particular computers? R they refurbished or using old parts? Its def. something to think about.

I can't imagine ThinkPads sold through universities are made better than those sold directly through Lenovo. "This computer is for a university student, so use the good screws." :P
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 18, 2006, 05:51:59 PM
no we're not, thats bs and they would have to say so.........if it is the case we'll work something out and buy through my schools co-op

MD, did/is someone getting an X60??

Are they?  Man, you just can't win.  It's like buying a car.  ::) We're buying refurbished computers Lex! :)
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 18, 2006, 05:52:13 PM
ThinkPads have always been pretty slow to ship. Even before it was Lenovo, I think it took me a month to get mine.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 18, 2006, 05:53:39 PM
i think the sales person meant that it's easier to get the laptop worked on if you buy through the school when/if something goes wrong b/c you can just take it to the service desk. a lot of schools won't touch a machine that wasnt bought through them

Thanks for everyone’s advice. But i just contacted lenovo directly and they told me to go through the university. He specifically said, “you always do better when u go through the university” he said the computers were specifically made for the university’s  use and  were manufactured better and are always at a better discount than the ones listed on the website. i was shocked that he was so candid. but i swear he said it.

having a great warranty is important to me. He said that if i were to add the warranty that the university provides (onsite WITH protection plus) it would be an add'l 500$ for the computer.

Also his comments regarding the computer’s quality raised add’l questions. Such as whats the real reason lenovo is having discounts on those particular computers? R they refurbished or using old parts? Its def. something to think about.

I can't imagine ThinkPads sold through universities are made better than those sold directly through Lenovo. "This computer is for a university student, so use the good screws." :P
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 06:35:58 PM
Is the expected shipping date accurate??  I ordered one and it said the expected ship date is 8/09.  That doesn't work well for me, because I'm leaving home on the 13th... Does IBM/Lenovo beat their expected shipping dates regularly???

Yeah, I got an 8/02 shipping date from China. Kind of a pain, but oh well. Did anyone get the EV-DO option on their thinkpad? I meant to, but forgot. I don't think I care enough to call back and change it, though.


EV-DO is too expensive.  You probably won't need it if your campus has wireless access.

I think it's a waste of money considering all of the hotspots around the country.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 18, 2006, 06:37:56 PM
what r the pros of getting bluetooth installed??
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 06:49:14 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 07:23:16 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\

EV-DO is a service that lets you tap into Verizon's nationwide wireless service.  It's something like $59.99 a month, so most people don't do it.

Bluetooth provides a way to connect and exchange information between devices like personal digital assistants (PDAs), mobile phones, laptops, PCs, printers, and digital cameras (Wikipedia).  It's useful, but most people don't need it or know how to use it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 07:25:13 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\

EV-DO is a service that lets you tap into Verizon's nationwide wireless service.  It's something like $59.99 a month, so most people don't do it.

Bluetooth provides a way to connect and exchange information between devices like personal digital assistants (PDAs), mobile phones, laptops, PCs, printers, and digital cameras (Wikipedia).  It's useful, but most people don't need it or know how to use it.

Thanks for that!  I don't think the x60s comes with the Verizon Wireless Card for the EV-DO.  But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: cesco on July 18, 2006, 07:27:32 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\

EV-DO is a service that lets you tap into Verizon's nationwide wireless service.  It's something like $59.99 a month, so most people don't do it.

Bluetooth provides a way to connect and exchange information between devices like personal digital assistants (PDAs), mobile phones, laptops, PCs, printers, and digital cameras (Wikipedia).  It's useful, but most people don't need it or know how to use it.

I had the Verizon service on my work computer.  It is extremely convenient and works just about everywhere - I would even be willing to say I got reception on it where I didnt have cell phone reception.  HOWEVER - it is slow.  Not dial up slow, but much slower than a typical cable/dsl/wireless connection.  I only used it in emergencies as I found the connection to be frustruating.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 18, 2006, 07:28:20 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\

EV-DO is a service that lets you tap into Verizon's nationwide wireless service.  It's something like $59.99 a month, so most people don't do it.

Bluetooth provides a way to connect and exchange information between devices like personal digital assistants (PDAs), mobile phones, laptops, PCs, printers, and digital cameras (Wikipedia).  It's useful, but most people don't need it or know how to use it.

It's not standard.  You can pay like $200 extra for one, but I don't think it's necessary.

Thanks for that!  I don't think the x60s comes with the Verizon Wireless Card for the EV-DO.  But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 18, 2006, 07:30:09 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\

EV-DO is a service that lets you tap into Verizon's nationwide wireless service.  It's something like $59.99 a month, so most people don't do it.

Bluetooth provides a way to connect and exchange information between devices like personal digital assistants (PDAs), mobile phones, laptops, PCs, printers, and digital cameras (Wikipedia).  It's useful, but most people don't need it or know how to use it.

I had the Verizon service on my work computer.  It is extremely convenient and works just about everywhere - I would even be willing to say I got reception on it where I didnt have cell phone reception.  HOWEVER - it is slow.  Not dial up slow, but much slower than a typical cable/dsl/wireless connection.  I only used it in emergencies as I found the connection to be frustruating.

Thanks for the report. I have always wondered about this. I thought about using it to replace my cable internet line. Now I know better :)

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Law2k6 on July 18, 2006, 07:41:00 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\

EV-DO is a service that lets you tap into Verizon's nationwide wireless service.  It's something like $59.99 a month, so most people don't do it.

Bluetooth provides a way to connect and exchange information between devices like personal digital assistants (PDAs), mobile phones, laptops, PCs, printers, and digital cameras (Wikipedia).  It's useful, but most people don't need it or know how to use it.

Another frequent use of bluetooth is for a wireless mouse and/or keyboard. I have a bluetooth mouse and love it! It's way better than having to mess with a stupid cord when I'm moving my laptop around.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 18, 2006, 07:42:53 PM
I'm sorry but what is EV-DO and Bluetooth? ??? :-\

EV-DO is a service that lets you tap into Verizon's nationwide wireless service.  It's something like $59.99 a month, so most people don't do it.

Bluetooth provides a way to connect and exchange information between devices like personal digital assistants (PDAs), mobile phones, laptops, PCs, printers, and digital cameras (Wikipedia).  It's useful, but most people don't need it or know how to use it.


ahhh thanks Law2k6!  That's good to know since I'm not feeling the mouse touch"button" on the x60s. 
Another frequent use of bluetooth is for a wireless mouse and/or keyboard. I have a bluetooth mouse and love it! It's way better than having to mess with a stupid cord when I'm moving my laptop around.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 19, 2006, 01:01:59 PM
Just received notice that My X60s has shipped. I think I put the order in on Sunday or Saturday. That was fast.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 19, 2006, 02:00:23 PM
Just received notice that My X60s has shipped. I think I put the order in on Sunday or Saturday. That was fast.

I hope mine is the same way.  I ordered in yesterday and the estimated shipping date is August 9th.  Grrr.  I want my x60s NOW!  haha, I wonder if it's because I took the upgraded (and discounted) extra 1GB RAM?  Or maybe the ultrabase will slow it up?  Oh well, I'm going to California for two weeks, so if it's here by the time I get back, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 19, 2006, 02:49:12 PM
Just received notice that My X60s has shipped. I think I put the order in on Sunday or Saturday. That was fast.

I hope mine is the same way.  I ordered in yesterday and the estimated shipping date is August 9th.  Grrr.  I want my x60s NOW!  haha, I wonder if it's because I took the upgraded (and discounted) extra 1GB RAM?  Or maybe the ultrabase will slow it up?  Oh well, I'm going to California for two weeks, so if it's here by the time I get back, I'll be happy.

I ordered all that stuff, too. I think they might just be very conservative w/their shipping estimates, as it seems most people who have ordered a thinkpad have received them earlier than expected.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 19, 2006, 05:39:23 PM
i ordered my x60s on 7/7 with a 7/18 estimated ship date.  yesterday i got an email saying it has been delayed to 8/1.  called lenovo, and they told me it should ship on 7/25 (from taiwan).  i'm most eager to play with the new toy, so i was pissed, but what can i do?  it ships when it ships.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: dudette26 on July 19, 2006, 07:22:36 PM
I need help:

can you guys please recommend a good laptop for me??

*I'm just planning on using it to
-take class notes
-study/ outline
-download music

I wanna carry it eveywhere so I want it to be light (cuz I'm weak)

my sister has a dell latitude d400 which is nice, but the cd drive was external and it died recently :(

I'm leaning towards a Dell because of the warranty and price, but I really know nothing about all the processor crap.. please help me!!

THANKS!!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 19, 2006, 08:29:49 PM
Dudette26: I know it sucks but I would read through this 50 page thread to see the varying opinions.

Also, what do you guys think I should do?   I can get my friends employee discount on the x60s which would make it $100 lower than the current sale price.  But her discount doesn't enable me to get the free 512 memory stick.  Do ya'll think I should just go with her discount or pay the $100 extra and get it directly from Lenovo myself and receive the free memory stick?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 19, 2006, 09:16:52 PM
I know it sucks but I would read through this 50 page thread to see the varying opinions.

Also, what do you guys think I should do?   I can get my friends employee discount on the x60s which would make it $100 lower than the current sale price.  But her discount doesn't enable me to get the free 512 memory stick.  Do ya'll think I should just go with her discount or pay the $100 extra and get it directly from Lenovo myself and receive the free memory stick?

Use her discount.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 19, 2006, 10:40:40 PM
I know it sucks but I would read through this 50 page thread to see the varying opinions.

Also, what do you guys think I should do?   I can get my friends employee discount on the x60s which would make it $100 lower than the current sale price.  But her discount doesn't enable me to get the free 512 memory stick.  Do ya'll think I should just go with her discount or pay the $100 extra and get it directly from Lenovo myself and receive the free memory stick?

For well under $100 you can put in an additional 512MB stick yourself.  Check the price of part number 40Y7733 with the EPP discount.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 19, 2006, 10:46:03 PM
i got 1 gig of ram (corsair) for about $80 at newegg for my (hopefully) soon to arrive x60s.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 20, 2006, 04:13:09 AM
wow, ok thanks all, employee discount it is!

i got 1 gig of ram (corsair) for about $80 at newegg for my (hopefully) soon to arrive x60s.

wow, and to think Lenovo is "discounting" it for $99.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 20, 2006, 06:02:10 AM
wow, ok thanks all, employee discount it is!

i got 1 gig of ram (corsair) for about $80 at newegg for my (hopefully) soon to arrive x60s.

wow, and to think Lenovo is "discounting" it for $99.

99 still isn't bad, that's what i did - but it's not necessary
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 20, 2006, 08:17:04 AM
also, i think you can find 1 GIG of ram for the x60s below $60 if you don't mind the brand.  i went with the "brand name" because my experience with corsair has been good for desktop ram (i've purchased 3 GIGs of corsair desktop ram so far for all the computers at home), and they're one of the more reputable brands of memory.  kingston is also supposedly really good, but they're usually pricey.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 20, 2006, 09:12:22 AM
also, i think you can find 1 GIG of ram for the x60s below $60 if you don't mind the brand.  i went with the "brand name" because my experience with corsair has been good for desktop ram (i've purchased 3 GIGs of corsair desktop ram so far for all the computers at home), and they're one of the more reputable brands of memory.  kingston is also supposedly really good, but they're usually pricey.

true enough.  I went with the $99 deal because I didn't want to hassle with it, and I wanted the RAM to be the same.  It's only a few bucks for assured quality and no hassle.  either way works though.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 20, 2006, 09:50:35 AM
edit: found answer
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ZinnMaster on July 21, 2006, 09:11:54 AM
I'm looking for some help as I try to decide on a laptop for this fall. Currently I am considering the following, what do you think?

HP dv5000z series PC

Operating System:               Genuine Windows XP Home Edition     

Processor:                      AMD Sempron(TM) 3100+ (1.8GHz/256KB L2 Cache)    

Display:                    FREE Upgrade to 15.4" WXGA BrightView Widescreen!!    

Graphics Card:                    32MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M    

Memory:                    1.0GB DDR SDRAM (2x512MB)    

Hard Drive:                    80 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive    

Primary CD/DVD Drive:            DVD/CD-RW Combo Drive    

Networking:                    FREE Upgrade to 54g(TM) 802.11b/g WLAN!!    

Primary Battery:            12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery    

HP extended service plans:    3-year HP Express Repair extended service plan

Cost: $903.00

Also, I keep hearing that Dell is the way to go, but I can't seem to find any that I like. Any suggestions?

Thanks-
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 21, 2006, 09:14:14 AM
That HP laptop is way too heavy for me. They quality is questionable as well.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ZinnMaster on July 21, 2006, 09:14:46 AM
I've got a friend who supplies me with all the software, so I'm going to try and go that direction to save some cash.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ZinnMaster on July 21, 2006, 09:16:39 AM
yiplong, which laptop would you recommend? I am looking for quality and durability. To be honest I seem to go toward the heavier ones, mainly because I like a fairly large screen and a normal size keyboard. The weight doesn't bother me though...yet of course.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 21, 2006, 09:17:06 AM
You probably need XP Pro for school.

No you don't, unless they require you to log on to a domain to use the network resources, which is rarely the case.  Best way is to check with your school's IT dept. to make sure.  There is no need to waste your money buying the Pro edition if all you are going to do is use it for law school and personal uses.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 21, 2006, 09:19:17 AM
yiplong, which laptop would you recommend? I am looking for quality and durability. To be honest I seem to go toward the heavier ones, mainly because I like a fairly large screen and a normal size keyboard. The weight doesn't bother me though...yet of course.

It depends on your need.  For example, do you own a desktop? what about PDA? Do you play game?  What is more important to you: cheapness or quality?  Let me know your budget and current computing situation.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ZinnMaster on July 21, 2006, 09:31:46 AM
yiplong, which laptop would you recommend? I am looking for quality and durability. To be honest I seem to go toward the heavier ones, mainly because I like a fairly large screen and a normal size keyboard. The weight doesn't bother me though...yet of course.

It depends on your need.  For example, do you own a desktop? what about PDA? Do you play game?  What is more important to you: cheapness or quality?  Let me know your budget and current computing situation.



I don't play games, download music, or anything like that. I have a desktop that I use and abuse for all the "fun" stuff. The laptop will be used specifically for law school. I plan on taking notes and tests with it, as well as writing papers and using the research programs (which I hear are pretty large). I like the widescreen/brightscreens because I plan on starring at it all day, and I like the idea of a long battery life. Other then that I just need a good warranty and a laptop that is durrable. My price range is about $600-$1,100. Thanks.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 21, 2006, 10:49:54 AM
Bought the x60s today  :) But it's expected shipping date is 8/14  :-\ I'm leaving for school shortly after that and am afraid it won't get there in time.  Can anyone (who has gotten it shipped) tell me how much sooner (or later) than the expected shipping date their x60s was shipped?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 21, 2006, 11:00:51 AM
In your case, I think you should get a thin-and-light 14" laptop, between 4-6 lb.  You don't want to go much heavier than 6, remember you might need to carry your books as well. I think the Thinkpad T Series would fit you need perfectly.  If you would like to go widescreen, try the Dell D620.  
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 21, 2006, 11:34:21 AM
Bought the x60s today  :) But it's expected shipping date is 8/14  :-\ I'm leaving for school shortly after that and am afraid it won't get there in time.  Can anyone (who has gotten it shipped) tell me how much sooner (or later) than the expected shipping date their x60s was shipped?

Same thing for me.  I ordered it on the 18th and expected ship date of 8/09.  That's no good for me since I'm leaving for school on Sunday the 13th!  The last thing I want to do is have my parents forward it up to me!

Ugh, hope it ships fast!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 21, 2006, 11:37:51 AM
Well I called them and they said that I will be notified once it's shipped out.  If I know it won't get to me before I leave (it takes 3-5 business days to get to you once it's shipped) then I can call USPS and have it shipped to my new address for no addtional cost.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 21, 2006, 11:56:53 AM
Well I called them and they said that I will be notified once it's shipped out.  If I know it won't get to me before I leave (it takes 3-5 business days to get to you once it's shipped) then I can call USPS and have it shipped to my new address for no addtional cost.

OOh, excellent idea!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: dudette26 on July 21, 2006, 03:41:38 PM
are you guys getting Windows Home edition? or Professional?

what is the difference anyways? It is worth the extra $150?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 21, 2006, 03:45:40 PM
are you guys getting Windows Home edition? or Professional?

what is the difference anyways? It is worth the extra $150?

Pro comes standard.

I've always been told Pro works better with networking, but have Media Edition (essentially Home) and it's been fine as well.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: queencruella on July 21, 2006, 04:02:42 PM
are you guys getting Windows Home edition? or Professional?

what is the difference anyways? It is worth the extra $150?

There's probably no need to buy XP through the manufacturer. If your school requires it, it probably has a licensing agreement with Microsoft that will let you buy it for much, much cheaper. Some schools require Pro because some networks seem to have problems allowing you to use network resources with Home.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 21, 2006, 05:46:27 PM
are you guys getting Windows Home edition? or Professional?

what is the difference anyways? It is worth the extra $150?

There's probably no need to buy XP through the manufacturer. If your school requires it, it probably has a licensing agreement with Microsoft that will let you buy it for much, much cheaper. Some schools require Pro because some networks seem to have problems allowing you to use network resources with Home.

It's Home's fault, not the network.  Home only allows 5 network connections at once.

It is XP Home's fault, that is true, but it is not related to how many connections it can support. 
The reason XP Home cannot take full advantage of some networks is because some networks have very tight security, and XP Home cannot handle that.  For example, XP Home does not support active directory domain, hence if this is what your school uses, you must have XP Pro to access the network. 
Other features of Pro such as file level access control, IIS server, and encrypting file system, etc are probably not pertinent as far as network access is concerned.  . 
It is very unlikely that you school would require your computer to support Active Directory domain, because this basically allows other uses on the domain to log on to your computer, and you to their computer, which is ridiculous, because your laptop is your personal property.  XP Home is probably good enough for the vast majority of school networks, but do check with your school’s IT Dept. to make sure.   
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on July 21, 2006, 07:28:53 PM
Has anyone who has bought a z60t (or X or T series, for that matter) experienced the dreaded lid closing resolution problem? Basically, when I close the lid and reopen, it changes the resolution and rearranges the icons. I've done my best to get around it, and largely have by setting the resolution for "both" monitors the same, but it's still a clunky workaround and not a real fix. I've tried pretty much everything. It's really annoying since I'm someone who likes closing the lid when not using the laptop, and needless to say, also pretty pissed that a brand new ThinkPad (supposedly the best) has such a stupid problem with no apparent solution. Any thoughts/ideas?

See http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=21547&highlight=lid for details.

oh god i already had a system board failure in mine...i pray i dont get this too. 

sorry  :-\
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 21, 2006, 08:50:15 PM
Has anyone who has bought a z60t (or X or T series, for that matter) experienced the dreaded lid closing resolution problem? Basically, when I close the lid and reopen, it changes the resolution and rearranges the icons. I've done my best to get around it, and largely have by setting the resolution for "both" monitors the same, but it's still a clunky workaround and not a real fix. I've tried pretty much everything. It's really annoying since I'm someone who likes closing the lid when not using the laptop, and needless to say, also pretty pissed that a brand new ThinkPad (supposedly the best) has such a stupid problem with no apparent solution. Any thoughts/ideas?

See http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=21547&highlight=lid for details.

I haven't had that particular problem on the X series, but there are couple of things you might try (if you haven't tried updating the BIOS and updating drivers):

1. Set the power scheme so that it either enters sleep or hibernation when you close the lid.
2. You might see if disabling the graphics card's software prevents the problem (not the drivers, just the programs the graphics card runs in the background to do fancy but useless things).  You could try terminating the processes in the taskmanager and then seeing if it still gives you the same problem.
3. I have nothing but a hunch...could it maybe be related to the Thinkpad's presentation manager software?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 21, 2006, 09:40:39 PM
3. Very good hunch--that's the hunch of 1/2 the people on the ThinkPad Forum, that the presentation director thinks you're setting it up for some external presentation and thus changes the resolution. Unfortunately, uninstalling the presentation director does not fix it.

The best I've gotten it is so the resolution changes briefly to 800 x 600 and then back to normal. But that still takes a few seconds and screws up some icons.

Thanks, though, we'll see what happens.

I looked at a few posts, you might need to change the presentation director's options (delete or alter them).  Uninstalling might simply leave the director's settings in the registry.  I'd say re-install and change the options it has available.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Reaching on July 22, 2006, 06:19:55 PM
Super hot deal on Inspiron E1405!

T2300 (1.66 Ghz) dual core
1GB RAM
100 GB Hard Drive
Intel Wi-fi
14" widescreen
Free skin
Dual layer DVD+RW drive

Pretty much everything you need in a law school desktop

$604
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?CS=19&kc=07769&oc=D80711F

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 22, 2006, 07:22:42 PM
Inspiron E1405 is pretty heavy, at almost 7 lb. travel weight and it has bad build quality.  I wouldn't buy that for law school. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 22, 2006, 08:04:17 PM
Has anyone who has bought a z60t (or X or T series, for that matter) experienced the dreaded lid closing resolution problem? Basically, when I close the lid and reopen, it changes the resolution and rearranges the icons. I've done my best to get around it, and largely have by setting the resolution for "both" monitors the same, but it's still a clunky workaround and not a real fix. I've tried pretty much everything. It's really annoying since I'm someone who likes closing the lid when not using the laptop, and needless to say, also pretty pissed that a brand new ThinkPad (supposedly the best) has such a stupid problem with no apparent solution. Any thoughts/ideas?

See http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=21547&highlight=lid for details.

I haven't experienced this with my X41 tablet. Driver issue maybe? I'll check out the link you provided.

Oingo

Edit: I saw Typhoons comments and agree. About a month sgo I had an issue with the Intel Graphics Media driver refueing to allow me to switch to potrait mode. I had to go into the advanced section of the driver software and tell it to do it manually. After that it began to make the switch automatically again. perhaps something similar is available with the Z60t?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SanchoPanzo on July 23, 2006, 03:00:29 PM
does anyone know what "depot" in IBM's laptop warranty mean? Is this equivalent to on-site? next day? mail-in....?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 23, 2006, 04:18:24 PM
I think I've changed my mind and am going to get an X60. 

Totally random question: do they get hot?  I have use a pillow as a protection when I type on my current comp, cause it gets too damn hot.  I never use a desk at home (maybe this will change), but I use the laptop as an actual lat-top all the time.  I'm buying the thing either way, I think, I'm just curious.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 23, 2006, 04:20:16 PM
i don't know how hot they get but yes, and the X60s doesn't get as hot as the X60

I think I've changed my mind and am going to get an X60. 

Totally random question: do they get hot?  I have use a pillow as a protection when I type on my current comp, cause it gets too damn hot.  I never use a desk at home (maybe this will change), but I use the laptop as an actual lat-top all the time.  I'm buying the thing either way, I think, I'm just curious.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 23, 2006, 04:24:52 PM
I'm getting an x60s I think because that's the deal that HLS has.  That's a good machine, I think, no?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: SanchoPanzo on July 23, 2006, 06:29:36 PM
does anyone know what "depot" in IBM's laptop warranty mean? Is this equivalent to on-site? next day? mail-in....?

Found the answer:

Depot repair: A courier will pick up your equipment and deliver it to our depot repair center. Our objective is to repair it within 12 hours of arrival, though this repair time cannot be guaranteed.  Notebook machines arriving at the depot in the morning are generally scheduled to be repaired and shipped back to you on the same day.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: maka nani on July 23, 2006, 06:43:33 PM
mine was picked up on a tuesday repaired wednesday and back to me thursday at their Memphis depot
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: M DOT on July 23, 2006, 06:48:33 PM
a very very very good machine, it's what i'm getting

I'm getting an x60s I think because that's the deal that HLS has.  That's a good machine, I think, no?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 23, 2006, 08:28:11 PM
a very very very good machine, it's what i'm getting

I'm getting an x60s I think because that's the deal that HLS has.  That's a good machine, I think, no?

Right now Lenovo has back to school sale, $1.4k + tax shipped.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 23, 2006, 08:33:28 PM
a very very very good machine, it's what i'm getting

I'm getting an x60s I think because that's the deal that HLS has.  That's a good machine, I think, no?

Right now Lenovo has back to school sale, $1.4k + tax shipped.

That's just the X60, right?  The X60S appears to be  18.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 23, 2006, 08:40:58 PM
Yea, I just ran the numbers.  I think I'm just getting the machine (X60S) and docking station.  Through Lenovo it's 2117.88 with tax, and through HLS it's 1900.71 with tax and shipping.  The first is a good deal, but I'm obviously going with the latter.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 23, 2006, 09:35:25 PM
yeah, both x60 and x60s are for sale, for $1400 and $1800 respectively.  Each comes completely with x6 Ultrabase docking station(pretty useless in my opinion).  I wish we can get a deal without the docking station.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: greengrl on July 23, 2006, 09:45:44 PM
I think I've changed my mind and am going to get an X60. 

Totally random question: do they get hot?  I have use a pillow as a protection when I type on my current comp, cause it gets too damn hot.  I never use a desk at home (maybe this will change), but I use the laptop as an actual lat-top all the time.  I'm buying the thing either way, I think, I'm just curious.

try a laptop desk--it's really just a glorified TV table that adjusts to different heights and angles and allows for a flat surface while typing on your laptop and sitting on your couch. they're really convenient
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 23, 2006, 09:58:27 PM
yeah, both x60 and x60s are for sale, for $1400 and $1800 respectively.  Each comes completely with x6 Ultrabase docking station(pretty useless in my opinion).  I wish we can get a deal without the docking station.

I missed the "comes w dockin station."  Useless? No optical drive otherwise...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 23, 2006, 10:11:52 PM
yeah, both x60 and x60s are for sale, for $1400 and $1800 respectively.  Each comes completely with x6 Ultrabase docking station(pretty useless in my opinion).  I wish we can get a deal without the docking station.

I missed the "comes w dockin station."  Useless? No optical drive otherwise...

Optical drives are obselete technolgy, nobody needs optical drives.  Especially when you have to pay $200 + the 'cost of the drive' to get it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 24, 2006, 03:34:00 AM
yeah, both x60 and x60s are for sale, for $1400 and $1800 respectively.  Each comes completely with x6 Ultrabase docking station(pretty useless in my opinion).  I wish we can get a deal without the docking station.

I missed the "comes w dockin station."  Useless? No optical drive otherwise...

Optical drives are obselete technolgy, nobody needs optical drives.  Especially when you have to pay $200 + the 'cost of the drive' to get it.

How do you install software?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 24, 2006, 07:51:38 AM
Quote

How do you install software?

Easy, put the disc in another machine that has CD drive, share the CD drive, and install to x60. Plus, a lot of softwares now can be downloaded, it is rare case that we actually need the CD.

Oh, plus, if you just want the optical drive, it is completely unnecessary to get the docking station either.  You can simply by an USB drive, which is smaller, lighter and easier to carry.  Imagine having to whip out your docking station everytime you want to connect the CD Drive.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 24, 2006, 08:11:53 AM
Quote

How do you install software?

Easy, put the disc in another machine that has CD drive, share the CD drive, and install to x60. Plus, a lot of softwares now can be downloaded, it is rare case that we actually need the CD.

Oh, plus, if you just want the optical drive, it is completely unnecessary to get the docking station either.  You can simply by an USB drive, which is smaller, lighter and easier to carry.  Imagine having to whip out your docking station everytime you want to connect the CD Drive.

I suppose.  I think it's a neat-o gagdet.  I don't like the alternative installation methods you outlined, but  I could  see an external usb drive as a useful addition.  I won't be carrying my docking station, obviously.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Nellbelle on July 24, 2006, 08:13:26 AM
Gosh I hope I am not the only dope with a Dell  :D
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 24, 2006, 08:41:52 AM
Quote

How do you install software?

Easy, put the disc in another machine that has CD drive, share the CD drive, and install to x60. Plus, a lot of softwares now can be downloaded, it is rare case that we actually need the CD.

Oh, plus, if you just want the optical drive, it is completely unnecessary to get the docking station either.  You can simply by an USB drive, which is smaller, lighter and easier to carry.  Imagine having to whip out your docking station everytime you want to connect the CD Drive.

I suppose.  I think it's a neat-o gagdet.  I don't like the alternative installation methods you outlined, but  I could  see an external usb drive as a useful addition.  I won't be carrying my docking station, obviously.

the docking station is $200, that is just brutal.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 24, 2006, 10:52:34 AM
lenovo's shipping issues were discussed earlier, but i got an email saying my x60s shipped today even though my listed shipment date is 8/01 (though my recycle fee shipment date is 7/24).
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: crazy8 on July 24, 2006, 11:10:13 AM
lenovo's shipping issues were discussed earlier, but i got an email saying my x60s shipped today even though my listed shipment date is 8/01 (though my recycle fee shipment date is 7/24).

Thanks for that.  What do you mean by the bolded?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 24, 2006, 11:10:49 AM
lenovo's shipping issues were discussed earlier, but i got an email saying my x60s shipped today even though my listed shipment date is 8/01 (though my recycle fee shipment date is 7/24).

When did you order?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: joe_q on July 24, 2006, 11:18:38 AM
i ordered on 7/07. 

also, there's a line-item for a recycle fee for 4 to 14 inch displays for $6.  but for some weird reason, it has a ship date.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lightessenz on July 24, 2006, 05:13:52 PM
http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397 (http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397)

This is what I am getting.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 24, 2006, 05:18:50 PM
http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397 (http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397)

This is what I am getting.

Starting at 5.9 lb., properly configured, this thing will weight about 7 lb.  I won't want to hold that thing in my arms. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 24, 2006, 07:27:42 PM
http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397 (http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397)

This is what I am getting.
http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397 (http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/cmod.to?seg=SMB&coid=-31397)

This is what I am getting.

Starting at 5.9 lb., properly configured, this thing will weight about 7 lb.  I won't want to hold that thing in my arms. 

Right now the M7 looks to be the most powerful convertable tablet-laptop on the market. I'd be very curious to read of any weight impression after you buy it. What would be really interesting is if Toshiba (or anyone else for that matter) could fit this type of power into a R200 type form factor - that would make a slick little convertable tablet PC!

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 24, 2006, 07:49:08 PM
Dude, you are going to St Thomas??
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 24, 2006, 08:13:59 PM
Dude, you are going to St Thomas??

Yep I am. St Thomas (Minnesota not Florida). Why, are you going too?

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 24, 2006, 08:29:43 PM
Dude, you are going to St Thomas??

Yep I am. St Thomas (Minnesota not Florida). Why, are you going too?

Oingo

I see.  I actually received an email from them back in the days asking me to apply.  I think they waived all application fees. I think I didn't apply because it was either non-ABA or provisionally approved at the time.   I will be attending UIUC this fall.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: whoisjohngalt on July 24, 2006, 08:30:12 PM
lenovo's shipping issues were discussed earlier, but i got an email saying my x60s shipped today even though my listed shipment date is 8/01 (though my recycle fee shipment date is 7/24).

mine was supposed to ship on 8/09, but it shipped today!  just an fyi.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on July 24, 2006, 08:38:06 PM
lenovo's shipping issues were discussed earlier, but i got an email saying my x60s shipped today even though my listed shipment date is 8/01 (though my recycle fee shipment date is 7/24).

mine was supposed to ship on 8/09, but it shipped today!  just an fyi.

Mine shipped today also. My first shipment arrived, and it was my battery and keyboard.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 24, 2006, 08:39:34 PM
yiplong - I thought about what you said about the X6, and I decided against buying it.  $200 is steep, and I do already have a basic external CD.  I think I'll see if I can find a cheap external slim DVD combo drive.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 24, 2006, 08:41:51 PM
Dude, you are going to St Thomas??

Yep I am. St Thomas (Minnesota not Florida). Why, are you going too?

Oingo

I see.  I actually received an email from them back in the days asking me to apply.  I think they waived all application fees. I think I didn't apply because it was either non-ABA or provisionally approved at the time.   I will be attending UIUC this fall.

Cool good luck at UIUC! St Thomas received full accreditation this spring. I initially shared some of the same concerns but a visit there along with talking with some current UMinn and St Thomas students convinced me that it really wasn't as big of a gamble as I made it out to be in my mind. That and the scholly offer plus my own situation with my family (We're expecting our first child soon) made it an ideal choice.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 24, 2006, 09:07:32 PM
yiplong - I thought about what you said about the X6, and I decided against buying it.  $200 is steep, and I do already have a basic external CD.  I think I'll see if I can find a cheap external slim DVD combo drive.

Yeah, I can think of 1000 better ways to spend $200 than on a lousy docking station that offers no crucial functionality.  If Lenovo would offer a x60 sales packsage without the docking station I would certainly take it. 
The thing with sales package is that they put a lot of stull that you don't need in there, such as a fingerprint scanner, x6 docking station and bluetooth. 
That said, the x6 on sale is still a good buy, provided you actually want these extra stuff.  If you buy a Dell D420 (also 12") right now with similiar configuration, it might cost more. 

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: yiplong on July 24, 2006, 09:08:46 PM
Dude, you are going to St Thomas??

Yep I am. St Thomas (Minnesota not Florida). Why, are you going too?

Oingo

I see.  I actually received an email from them back in the days asking me to apply.  I think they waived all application fees. I think I didn't apply because it was either non-ABA or provisionally approved at the time.   I will be attending UIUC this fall.

Cool good luck at UIUC! St Thomas received full accreditation this spring. I initially shared some of the same concerns but a visit there along with talking with some current UMinn and St Thomas students convinced me that it really wasn't as big of a gamble as I made it out to be in my mind. That and the scholly offer plus my own situation with my family (We're expecting our first child soon) made it an ideal choice.

Oingo

glad that you picked a school that works for you.  The most important thing is that it is now accredited. 
What happened at UMinn that turned you off?  I was deciding between UMinn, Iowa, UIUC and Northwestern, and finally picked UIUC due to its nice scholarship package. 
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lightessenz on July 25, 2006, 11:47:15 AM
Quote
Starting at 5.9 lb., properly configured, this thing will weight about 7 lb.  I won't want to hold that thing in my arms. 

I won't be holding it like a tablet, most of the time. I may use it to read PDFs though, and its convertible form will be helpful. 

I think that 12inches for a laptop is too small for most long-term projects/exams etc.  I wanted big, with the option of making notes on PDFs that can be saved easily into Windows Journal.  Size was not a big issue for me...though obviously the weight of this laptop will be its biggest drawback.

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Patrick Bateman on July 25, 2006, 01:39:15 PM
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Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 25, 2006, 01:54:45 PM
Dude, you are going to St Thomas??

Yep I am. St Thomas (Minnesota not Florida). Why, are you going too?

Oingo

I see.  I actually received an email from them back in the days asking me to apply.  I think they waived all application fees. I think I didn't apply because it was either non-ABA or provisionally approved at the time.   I will be attending UIUC this fall.

Cool good luck at UIUC! St Thomas received full accreditation this spring. I initially shared some of the same concerns but a visit there along with talking with some current UMinn and St Thomas students convinced me that it really wasn't as big of a gamble as I made it out to be in my mind. That and the scholly offer plus my own situation with my family (We're expecting our first child soon) made it an ideal choice.

Oingo

glad that you picked a school that works for you.  The most important thing is that it is now accredited. 
What happened at UMinn that turned you off?  I was deciding between UMinn, Iowa, UIUC and Northwestern, and finally picked UIUC due to its nice scholarship package. 

In all honesty, St Thomas made me feel like they wanted me here - really, that was the biggest thing. I knew that I wanted to stay in the Twin Cities afterward, so I really wasn't bothered by the regional aspect of the school. 

I am older (30s) and starting a family, so the idea of "really really big" biglaw kind of turns me off. That is why the opportunity to graduate with much less debt made sense, for me.

BTW, UIUC's former Dean Mengler is now the Dean at St Thomas.

Oingo

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 25, 2006, 06:56:38 PM
Anyone with a Thinkpad experienced this:
I was setting a password with the fingerprint reader and I got one of those error messages from microsoft saying the fingerprint software encountered a problem and needs to close, what I was working on may be lost, etc.  After that, I try to get back in to the fingerprint software and it says no fingerprints have been enrolled.  I restart computer and it lets me into the program but all the passwords I had stored were gone......sweet, Lenovo.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 25, 2006, 07:09:23 PM
By the way, I called Lenovo support and stated my case to some woman who couldn't speak English, who gave me a case# and transferred me to the "fingerprint department" where I proceeded to stay on hold for 39 minutes and 40 seconds without speaking to anyone before I hung up in disgust (this is at 10pm Eastern when you'd expect not many people calling in).  Lenovo support is unimpressive to say the very least.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 25, 2006, 07:28:31 PM
By the way, I called Lenovo support and stated my case to some woman who couldn't speak English, who gave me a case# and transferred me to the "fingerprint department" where I proceeded to stay on hold for 39 minutes and 40 seconds without speaking to anyone before I hung up in disgust (this is at 10pm Eastern when you'd expect not many people calling in).  Lenovo support is unimpressive to say the very least.

What number did you call?  I called them with some warranty questions on Sunday and spoke to people in the U.S. who were very nice and helpful.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: law123 on July 25, 2006, 07:31:00 PM
800-426-7378
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 25, 2006, 07:47:46 PM
800-426-7378

Wow, that's amazing.  When I called, I initially talked to one person.  He needed me to talk to someone in a different department so he rang her and we got in a conference call.  I thought he had hung up but at the end she asked if there was anything he needed to do and I realized he was there the whole time.  The I received a call the next day as a follow up.

Maybe they routed you to the evil call center.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 25, 2006, 07:54:59 PM
I just got notice that my X60s has shipped the day after I ordered it.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: andyg on July 25, 2006, 10:26:09 PM
Regarding the Dells...there is alot on here about deciding b/w the different lenovos, but what about the difference b/w the Dell Inspiron (home model) and the Latitude (buiness model) ?

Are there pros and cons to each one, or is one clearly better ?

Thanks!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 25, 2006, 10:48:35 PM
Latitudes are better if you are talking about equal specs.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 25, 2006, 10:51:01 PM
By the way, I called Lenovo support and stated my case to some woman who couldn't speak English, who gave me a case# and transferred me to the "fingerprint department" where I proceeded to stay on hold for 39 minutes and 40 seconds without speaking to anyone before I hung up in disgust (this is at 10pm Eastern when you'd expect not many people calling in).  Lenovo support is unimpressive to say the very least.

I almost wish I got an Indian call center last time I called because at least the Indian call center people are somewhat polite. I had to call IBM/Lenovo the week I bought my X41 tablet to help get over a constant disconnect issue I was having with my wireless card. The dude I spoke with was already angry about something else before I even uttered my first word. I still can't beleive this but he actually told me that he didn't like "the tone of my voice."

Needless to say I figured out the problem myself (the Intel 2200 card does not like some linksys routers for some reason) and just resolved to cross my fingers the next time I call and hope that the dude I spoke with was fired.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 25, 2006, 10:53:09 PM
Latitudes are better if you are talking about equal specs.

This seems to be the consensus on this board. Whatever you do get the Dell accidental breakage warranty - this way you have no worries.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: andyg on July 25, 2006, 11:24:47 PM
well i just looked it up and i could get a fully stocked D820 (the top of the line latitude) for $1,900.  Came to cheaper than i thought it would actually.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: greengrl on July 25, 2006, 11:37:05 PM
well i just looked it up and i could get a fully stocked D820 (the top of the line latitude) for $1,900.  Came to cheaper than i thought it would actually.

yes, but this is a fairly heavy machine. most schools recommend the D620. check with your school and see what kind of deals you can get
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Strong on July 25, 2006, 11:40:47 PM
Latitudes are better if you are talking about equal specs.

This seems to be the consensus on this board. Whatever you do get the Dell accidental breakage warranty - this way you have no worries.

Oingo

That being said I got a XPS M1210, which is of lesser build quality than latitudes, but they don't have a latitude with a 12" screen and a internal cd drive.

IMO, The warranty isn't any good in LS unless you got some kind of next day service. Mailing in would be disastrous,
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 25, 2006, 11:49:54 PM
Latitudes are better if you are talking about equal specs.

This seems to be the consensus on this board. Whatever you do get the Dell accidental breakage warranty - this way you have no worries.

Oingo

That being said I got a XPS M1210, which is of lesser build quality than latitudes, but they don't have a latitude with a 12" screen and a internal cd drive.

IMO, The warranty isn't any good in LS unless you got some kind of next day service. Mailing in would be disastrous,

I agree with this - the biggest reason why I paid for on-site service with Lenovo.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 26, 2006, 04:07:42 AM
Oingo - I've had troubles with my linksys centrino combination on my current laptop.  It sucks.  I think the intel wireless cards are pretty crappy.  I hear the Altheon (or whatever) cards are much better (they also come in the lenovos).

Speaking of which, I want the comp.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 26, 2006, 07:05:35 AM
Oingo - I've had troubles with my linksys centrino combination on my current laptop.  It sucks.  I think the intel wireless cards are pretty crappy.  I hear the Altheon (or whatever) cards are much better (they also come in the lenovos).

Speaking of which, I want the comp.

You are probably right. I heard that the 2915 card performs MUCH better with Linksys routers than the 2200 card. The problems that 2200 owners see go across brands (Dell, HP, Lenovo etc etc) so you know the card has issues. Intel thinks they *fixed* things through connection software updates but problems still persist for some users (depending on the Linksys router model number). The biggest pet peeve I had was that there was no hardware specific device driver fix to this because of the "unique" way Intel put the thing together (without the use of such drivers).

In the end I simply dumped my Linksys router and now happily roll with a USRobotics model (that has a print server built in!). Much more happier now.

Oingo
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 26, 2006, 07:07:23 AM
Oingo - I've had troubles with my linksys centrino combination on my current laptop.  It sucks.  I think the intel wireless cards are pretty crappy.  I hear the Altheon (or whatever) cards are much better (they also come in the lenovos).

Speaking of which, I want the comp.

You are probably right. I heard that the 2915 card performs MUCH better with Linksys routers than the 2200 card. The problems that 2200 owners see go across brands (Dell, HP, Lenovo etc etc) so you know the card has issues. Intel thinks they *fixed* things through connection software updates but problems still persist for some users (depending on the Linksys router model number). The biggest pet peeve I had was that there was no hardware specific device driver fix to this because of the "unique" way Intel put the thing together (without the use of such drivers).

In the end I simply dumped my Linksys router and now happily roll with a USRobotics model (that has a print server built in!). Much more happier now.

Oingo

Print server built in?  Does that mean you can hook up a printer directly to the router and use it as a network printer, even without a computer server?

That would be very good.

If so, what's the model number of your router/
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: lightessenz on July 26, 2006, 09:21:33 AM
I am looking for a decent bluetooth printer right now...or something with WIFI.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on July 26, 2006, 09:48:45 AM
I am looking for a decent bluetooth printer right now...or something with WIFI.

You can also buy print servers that allow you to connect a parallel port or USB printer to a network.  They start at $25 and go up.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: bass on July 26, 2006, 09:51:30 AM
I am looking for a decent bluetooth printer right now...or something with WIFI.

You can also buy print servers that allow you to connect a parallel port or USB printer to a network.  They start at $25 and go up.

Is this what Oingo is talking about?  Does it require just the box and a router?
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: OingoBoingo on July 26, 2006, 12:07:38 PM
I am looking for a decent bluetooth printer right now...or something with WIFI.

You can also buy print servers that allow you to connect a parallel port or USB printer to a network.  They start at $25 and go up.

Is this what Oingo is talking about?  Does it require just the box and a router?

It's an all in one deal. The printer connects to the router via a USB connection. With the rebates I paid $30 for mine at CompUSA. It works really well for my wife and I (we both have laptops).

here is the link.....

http://www.usr.com/products/networking/wireless-product.asp?sku=USR5461

Oingo

Title: Re: laptop
Post by: ->Soon on September 19, 2007, 05:44:27 PM
http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/buzzentry.jspa?threadID=2581

if you want an alternative to Micro$oft


can also use openoffice...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: jeffislouie on October 06, 2007, 11:36:21 AM
A few suggestions from a guy who sells technology for a living, but will be attending law school soon...
Light and portable is nice, but not the most important thing unless you plan on carrying it around a lot and/or care about how cool it is....
If you can afford it, go ahead and buy super light, ultra portable unit.  Just know that the cost will be high and the features may be reduced.  For instance, some ultra portables don't have optical drives, forcing you to purchase an external unit.
My advice?  Go for bang for the buck.  Core 2 duo procs are fantastic, but expensive.  I recommend at least a T2300 chipset, most of which run at 1.66 and are dual core.
I also recommend trying to find an XP professional OS.
Screen size is important if you want to use your laptop for anything other than just school.  Mine is a 15.4" widescreen model, and its plenty big.  Generally speaking, the lighter the notebook, the smaller the screen.  Some units out there with 14 inch screens are lighter.
Another piece of advice is to try and get your hands on the unit, even if it means going to best buy or some other brick and mortar.  Open a word doc (or notepad) and try typing out some text.  Not just a few words, mind you, but a paragraph or so.  A good keyboard is pretty key, since you will likely be spending time using it.
Lenovo's keyboards, for instance, are excellent with a good feel and great spacing.
Some units, like the one I use (Acer TM 4670) have a slight curve to them, which is a little more ergonomic.
In my experience, the sweet spot would be to spend a bit less and get a more powerful system with larger drives and dvd writer and spend money on a solid laptop bag that offers good space and excellent ergonomics.
In terms of accessories, I recommend the following, and most are for home use or working in a library...
USB or wireless keyboard
Optical mouse (wireless or USB as well)
USB number pad (using the number keys on the standard keyboard is a drag)
Extra battery
A good quality laptop bag
A decent warranty that includes accidental damage protection.  ADP warranties will keep your notebook safe in the event that it drops and/or the screen cracks.  This can save you a ton of money.
I like the following and suggest them regularly to my customers:
Lenovo T61
HP 6910
Acer Travelmate 3260
Sony Vaio BX series
Toshiba Tecra

Also, try to get at least 1 gig of ram.
And try to find a business class system.  Consumer grade systems tend to be less durable and fairly crappy.
If you are a mac guy, then you only have one choice and it's the macbook pro.
I do not recommend using a second hand or used system unless you have to.
Good luck.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StudentUVA on October 19, 2007, 12:01:54 PM
Just a word of advice: don't follow the hype about Lenovoes!Lenovo is not as good of a laptop company as they used to be. And this is coming from someone who brought a brand new laptop from them this summer. Every now and then i get the bluscreen of death! It is very annoying, and you have to restart your computer. And the worst part about this whole thing is that they refuse to help you out with this problem. Heed my words, don't buy Lenovo. It sucks.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on October 19, 2007, 04:10:32 PM
Just a word of advice: don't follow the hype about Lenovoes!Lenovo is not as good of a laptop company as they used to be. And this is coming from someone who brought a brand new laptop from them this summer. Every now and then i get the bluscreen of death! It is very annoying, and you have to restart your computer. And the worst part about this whole thing is that they refuse to help you out with this problem. Heed my words, don't buy Lenovo. It sucks.

did you get a plain lenovo, or a lenovo thinkpad?  two diff things, the thinkpads are still made with IBM parts.  no one i know with a thinkpad has problems...and there are a bunch of them here.  i love my x61s.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StudentUVA on October 19, 2007, 08:25:34 PM
Just a word of advice: don't follow the hype about Lenovoes!Lenovo is not as good of a laptop company as they used to be. And this is coming from someone who brought a brand new laptop from them this summer. Every now and then i get the bluscreen of death! It is very annoying, and you have to restart your computer. And the worst part about this whole thing is that they refuse to help you out with this problem. Heed my words, don't buy Lenovo. It sucks.

did you get a plain lenovo, or a lenovo thinkpad?  two diff things, the thinkpads are still made with IBM parts.  no one i know with a thinkpad has problems...and there are a bunch of them here.  i love my x61s.
Thinkpad t61. And i know i'm not by far the only one with the blue screen of death. Tons of people complain about this. I just wish it doesn't happen during exams! Anyway, i definitely didn't pay 1400 bucks to worry about this.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StudentUVA on October 19, 2007, 08:27:11 PM
Just a word of advice: don't follow the hype about Lenovoes!Lenovo is not as good of a laptop company as they used to be. And this is coming from someone who brought a brand new laptop from them this summer. Every now and then i get the bluscreen of death! It is very annoying, and you have to restart your computer. And the worst part about this whole thing is that they refuse to help you out with this problem. Heed my words, don't buy Lenovo. It sucks.

hmm, my Thinkpad hasn't bluescreened once.  (you know, there are reasons for bluescreening beyond hardware... usually bad interaction between OS and Software.)

Thinkpads are good.  Thinkpads are great.

i love my x61s.

Seconded.
Considering that the only Software i installed was Mircosoft Word, i am quite sure it's the hardware. And i didn't say all thinkpads had bluescreen; but enough of them do and i wouldn't be willing to take this risk again. To everyone else: buy thinkpads at your own risk...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StudentUVA on October 20, 2007, 02:51:50 PM

Considering that the only Software i installed was Mircosoft Word, i am quite sure it's the hardware. And i didn't say all thinkpads had bluescreen; but enough of them do and i wouldn't be willing to take this risk again. To everyone else: buy thinkpads at your own risk...

hardware specs of your T61?

thanks.
2 gigs of ram
2 Ghz Processor, Core 2 Duo
One would expect that this would be enough to run f-ing Mircosoft Word!
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: StudentUVA on October 20, 2007, 07:14:04 PM

2 gigs of ram
2 Ghz Processor, Core 2 Duo
One would expect that this would be enough to run f-ing Mircosoft Word!

Seriously, there's more hardware than that, and more software than that.   :)

Have you done every update possible?  drivers, bios, OS, software?
Yes i have. And sure i may have a program or two other than MS, but come on. Do you really want to tell me that my AVG anti-virus system is the culprid of bluescreen? Search any notebook forum and you'll find tons of threads about this. My dad's old laptop has many more programs than mine, just updated it to vista, and he has never had a bluescreen problem. So stop making it sound like i did something wrong or this is my fault. My t61 blows. I just wish someone warned me before i bought it this august. That's all. I wouldn've been better off with the cheapest laptop at Costco or something...
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: The Gabriel Gray Fan Club on October 26, 2007, 08:01:55 AM
Search any notebook forum and you'll find tons of threads about this.

There's a thread copied between forum.thinkpads.com and NBR that suggests the same problem and a possible fix here (http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=181849) and here (http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=51482). If that doesn't work, T61s come with a bunch of recovery software and you might be able to sort things out using R&R's "restore to factory default" switch.

You're right that Lenovo isn't the greatest brand on its own, but there's a big jump between the C3000 laptops (mediocre to average from what I've read) and the Thinkpad lines (basically the gold standard). They'll stop carrying the IBM logo before long but I don't think even diehard customers have complained about an overall drop in quality.
Title: Re: laptop
Post by: jeffislouie on October 29, 2007, 04:45:11 PM

Considering that the only Software i installed was Mircosoft Word, i am quite sure it's the hardware. And i didn't say all thinkpads had bluescreen; but enough of them do and i wouldn't be willing to take this risk again. To everyone else: buy thinkpads at your own risk...

hardware specs of your T61?

thanks.
2 gigs of ram
2 Ghz Processor, Core 2 Duo
One would expect that this would be enough to run f-ing Mircosoft Word!

No offense here, but I still do sell these things for a living.
The chances of it being a hardware issue are slim.
This is more than likely a driver problem, a software issue, or user error.
I've sold around 1000 lenovo T61's this year alone and I haven't gotten a single complaint of 'blue screen'.
I'd wager there is something wrong with an install, or that you have bad memory.
Take it to your law schools help desk and see if they'll fix it for you - some will.
Failing that, take it to geek squad or a good repair specialist.
If you have a warranty, Lenovo will help you.
also check here:
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/homeLenovo.do?country=us
http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=YAST-3P2QYL&sitestyle=lenovo