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Title: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: umd blue devil on April 25, 2006, 12:32:39 AM
Say 90% white, 10% black, does not look black at all. Can they apply as mixed, both white and black?

What would be the consquences if the law school admitted someone due to AA cuz of what race they said, but the law school disagreed. ie a white student claming black when he does not know any black in his family tree and of what he knows consits only of white?

Has a law school ever done anything to an applicant that lied and got it?
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: shaz on April 25, 2006, 12:40:10 AM
the school might not catch it.  there are some african americans or biracial individuals that could 'pass' as white.  the problem comes if & when c&f denies you for the bar.  this could lead to the school revoking your jd.  then you would have waisted 3/4 years and still owe over 100k.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: umd blue devil on April 25, 2006, 12:46:57 AM
i read a ny times article posted on this site about a dna testing kit that could tell you what % you were from each race group. some kids were like 7% black or 11% hispanic or something and using that to try to use AA to get into college and stuff. if you were say 11% black and applied as mix, could they keep you from passing the bar because of that? it seems like you would have some justification for what you applied as.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on April 25, 2006, 12:49:05 AM
My kid looks white.
She's (roughly) 25 percent black.
Seriously, they're law schools aren't going to DNA test people.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on April 25, 2006, 12:52:14 AM
Which is a bone of contention for BB because he is 100 percent Aryan.

Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: Dunson II on April 25, 2006, 12:53:33 AM
Words of advice:
Don't try to lie.  One poster was caught.
Don't reveal so much info on lsn on your real name.
You do kind of look black in the small facebook image.
Better not post this on xo.

Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on April 25, 2006, 12:56:32 AM
Words of advice:
Don't try to lie.  One poster was caught.
Don't reveal so much info on lsn on your real name.
You do kind of look black in the small facebook image.
Better not post this on xo.



Yes. He could be part black.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on April 25, 2006, 12:58:36 AM
FYI I'm mixed.
It doesn't score a lot of diversity points if you're mixed with white.

Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: umd blue devil on April 25, 2006, 01:11:53 AM
lol. a lot of people say i dont look white or i look mixed. i dont get it, maybe cuz my girl is colored as she says.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: umd blue devil on April 25, 2006, 01:25:55 AM
ya ive always wondered that. i dont plan on applying as any minority, but was someone from the county with the highest percentage of blacks in the nation, as well as one for a gf, growing up in an all black neighborhood, public school whole life which was 80% black easy, I mean since it is what i consider myself, as at least most law schools put it, if i did consider myself part black, how could they say no? esp if many of the disadvantages to blacks are poor schools, no opportunities, both of which would apply to me, are the reasons for AA, not because they are a different color, which wouldnt allow to me.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: johnnydavis on April 25, 2006, 02:37:54 AM
Mahler at Niagra Falls....nice ;)
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: TinaTina on April 25, 2006, 12:04:19 PM
I think someone with mixed heritage should be allowed to identify as a certain ethnic group if their upbringing is similar to what you would reasonably expect of a typical "full-blooded" member of that group.

Hence someone phenotypically white but with a black grand-parent or great-grandparent who was raised in a black community and faced all the challenges of the other member of that community should be given the same allowances given to other members of the community.  Someone who has only a biological claim should not be given those allowances.     
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: Dunson II on April 25, 2006, 12:22:06 PM
Words of advice:
Don't try to lie.  One poster was caught.
Don't reveal so much info on lsn on your real name.
You do kind of look black in the small facebook image.
Better not post this on xo.



Yes. He could be part black.


I was just trying to show how easy it is to figure him out.  This is a serious ethical issue and he could wind up in as much hot water as Dion Alaniz, "BigTex".
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on April 25, 2006, 06:49:23 PM
FYI I'm mixed.
It doesn't score a lot of diversity points if you're mixed with white.



Doesn't it say something like what are you self-selecting as? If I'm .0001 percent indian, but consider myself as indian as they come, who are they to judge?

I think self-selecting should matter. I self select as other (and then describe my biracial heritage). However, although people of more than one race (non hispanic) are an extremely small minority in law school, it has done me more harm than good to admit my partial whiteness (e.g., many people were offered scholarship $$ at a particular law school, I was offered a package of loans.)

I happen to go to a school that does not consider race in admissions. But I would gladly go to a school that did (listening Stanford?)
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on April 25, 2006, 06:55:28 PM
I think someone with mixed heritage should be allowed to identify as a certain ethnic group if their upbringing is similar to what you would reasonably expect of a typical "full-blooded" member of that group.

Hence someone phenotypically white but with a black grand-parent or great-grandparent who was raised in a black community and faced all the challenges of the other member of that community should be given the same allowances given to other members of the community.  Someone who has only a biological claim should not be given those allowances.     

There is more to racial and ethnic heritage than the color of one's skin.  It also isn't as simple as what community you live in. You can look white, grow up in a predominately white community and still consider yourself black (because you are, in fact, part black).

Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: TinaTina on April 26, 2006, 10:55:28 AM
I think someone with mixed heritage should be allowed to identify as a certain ethnic group if their upbringing is similar to what you would reasonably expect of a typical "full-blooded" member of that group.

Hence someone phenotypically white but with a black grand-parent or great-grandparent who was raised in a black community and faced all the challenges of the other member of that community should be given the same allowances given to other members of the community.  Someone who has only a biological claim should not be given those allowances.     

There is more to racial and ethnic heritage than the color of one's skin.  It also isn't as simple as what community you live in. You can look white, grow up in a predominately white community and still consider yourself black (because you are, in fact, part black).


In my experience, those who are phenotypically white, as in an average onlooker would classify them as white, present themselves as white.  Why? Because in ordinary conversation there aren't many conventions by which or situations in which one can explain away what appears to be one's ethic identity for a less discernible alternative.  Can an applicant who is 10% white and presents as phenotypically black check a box identifying himself/herself as white with the expectation that this claim will be taken seriously by prospective employers?  I'll let you answer that question and then you can decide if the inverse should be true.

In the context we are discussing, ethnic classification is not so much about your personal identity as it is a tool by which institutions give accomodations to applicants they can reasonably expect to have faced the challenges associated with belonging to a certain ethnic group.  These challenges occur not because of someone's personal perception of themselves, but other's perception of them.

Of course, nothing is always so cut and dried as in the present case.  Even though he may not present as black, the OP face many of the same challenges.  So to the OP I'd say yes, to someone like myself I'd say no.   


Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on April 27, 2006, 12:29:59 PM
I don't usually say this, but I agree with Googler.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: philibusters on May 06, 2006, 09:41:26 PM
Say 90% white, 10% black, does not look black at all. Can they apply as mixed, both white and black?

What would be the consquences if the law school admitted someone due to AA cuz of what race they said, but the law school disagreed. ie a white student claming black when he does not know any black in his family tree and of what he knows consits only of white?

Has a law school ever done anything to an applicant that lied and got it?

Are you the dude the diamondback did an article on a month or so back.  If so you are one wierd dude.   If not and you don't what I am talking, don't worry about it.

Heres the link to the article I am taling about ...
http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/02/10/43ec774840981 (http://www.diamondbackonline.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/02/10/43ec774840981)
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: ivywhore on May 07, 2006, 12:52:13 AM
if you have one black hair....you're black ;D; get real 10% black. We're all probably 10% black or some other minority....its called lying.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 07, 2006, 01:03:32 AM
You can only apply as black if you have naturally curly hair. It's the law.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: SuicideNixon on May 07, 2006, 03:30:33 AM
the school might not catch it.  there are some african americans or biracial individuals that could 'pass' as white.  the problem comes if & when c&f denies you for the bar.  this could lead to the school revoking your jd.  then you would have waisted 3/4 years and still owe over 100k.

whatever dude. You think C&F bar examiner is going to think it's a character flaw to consider yourself black? What, is he going to hold up paint samples to measure the darkness of his skin? all the guy has to say is "I think of myself as black". the fact that he's 10% black or whatever is plenty of proof to back this up.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: SuicideNixon on May 07, 2006, 03:34:59 AM
Words of advice:
Don't try to lie.  One poster was caught.
Don't reveal so much info on lsn on your real name.
You do kind of look black in the small facebook image.
Better not post this on xo.



Dude, the guy who was "caught" is now happily attending michigan and sending nasty emails to professors about the length of time it takes them to grade exams. and he said that he was 'hispanic' and the *only* basis he had for this assertion was that his mom married a mexican dude when he was 16.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: faith2005 on May 07, 2006, 10:43:50 AM
wow--i know i'm late, but big tex is [name removed]?  :o that whole email stuff was shocking...
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: SuicideNixon on May 08, 2006, 01:43:20 AM
wow--i know i'm late, but big tex is [removed]?  :o that whole email stuff was shocking...

yea
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 08, 2006, 01:52:29 AM
He self-selected as Hispanic because his stepfather was Hispanic.
One of the admins from a school that accepted him apparently gave him some trouble about it (if I remember correctly, he sent an addendum to most of the schools, but not that school.)

So the bottom line is that people on admissions committees do read this board.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 08, 2006, 02:03:19 AM
I'm pretty sure a private school can use whatever standard it chooses to select applicants.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: philibusters on May 08, 2006, 09:35:03 AM
I'm pretty sure a private school can use whatever standard it chooses to select applicants.

Yes, but I would argue that withdrawing an acceptance after admission for something that arbtritrary would be tortious. 

Maybe, though I might look to contract theory first.  My guess is that they a reserved right to withdraw the acceptance, but chose not to use it.  Once you are in the school, schools don't like to kick you out.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: mivida2k on May 08, 2006, 09:42:00 AM
Say 90% white, 10% black, does not look black at all. Can they apply as mixed, both white and black?

What would be the consquences if the law school admitted someone due to AA cuz of what race they said, but the law school disagreed. ie a white student claming black when he does not know any black in his family tree and of what he knows consits only of white?

Has a law school ever done anything to an applicant that lied and got it?

The point of AA is to assist individuals of all "races" and genders who are disadvantaged by economics, family matters, sub-level education (K-12), etc.  AA is not meant to be abused as a way for an individual to get into school.  Just saying that you are African-American does not mean that a) you are qualified for admission or b) that you are disadvantaged.  AA's intent is to level the playing field.  If your driver's license, birth certificate, undergraduate identification or even K-12 documents do not show you as having identified as African-American you may have a lot of problems.  The school might not admit you because you have proven yourself to be unethical or when you apply for Bar admission you may not be admitted.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 08, 2006, 03:29:00 PM
I'm pretty sure a private school can use whatever standard it chooses to select applicants.

Yes, but I would argue that withdrawing an acceptance after admission for something that arbtritrary would be tortious. 

Maybe, though I might look to contract theory first.  My guess is that they a reserved right to withdraw the acceptance, but chose not to use it.  Once you are in the school, schools don't like to kick you out.

Yes, but from my (limited) understanding of American legal jurisprudence, the right to withdraw the acceptance is not unlimited. 
It is probably similar to an at-will employment contract. An employer can offer you a job, you can accept, and then the employer can turn around a week later and fire you. No reason necessary. I'd be surprised if law schools haven't thought this stuff through.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: philibusters on May 08, 2006, 05:18:36 PM
I'm pretty sure a private school can use whatever standard it chooses to select applicants.

Yes, but I would argue that withdrawing an acceptance after admission for something that arbtritrary would be tortious. 

What we are all not acknowledging is that a lot of it would depend on if the person signed something giving the school the right to terminate or if they reserved that right in some other way or something like that.  In other words, we are guessing a bit in the absence of any paperwork.

Maybe, though I might look to contract theory first.  My guess is that they a reserved right to withdraw the acceptance, but chose not to use it.  Once you are in the school, schools don't like to kick you out.

Yes, but from my (limited) understanding of American legal jurisprudence, the right to withdraw the acceptance is not unlimited. 
It is probably similar to an at-will employment contract. An employer can offer you a job, you can accept, and then the employer can turn around a week later and fire you. No reason necessary. I'd be surprised if law schools haven't thought this stuff through.

That's a bit different than an offer of acceptance, I'd say. 

And even at-will employment situations have many many limitations.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: SuicideNixon on May 09, 2006, 10:09:22 PM
I'm pretty sure a private school can use whatever standard it chooses to select applicants.

there are limits. Schools are prohibited from using race in an impermissible way like to choose only whites. also private schools can be forced to do what the government wants because congress can nix the school's non-profit status or deny all federal student aid to its students.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: JayDee/P-Head on May 20, 2006, 06:59:19 PM
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Just BEING African-American does not a disadvantaged person make.  That is why the whole system is so utterly absurd on its face.

What evidence do you have that justifies such a statement?  Disregarding a certain minority of blacks who, on the whole, are outliers in the sense that they are of high socioeconomic status and privilege (after all, finding exceptions to any rule is quite easy, yet is not necessarily helpful when analyzing general characteristics), what empirical evidence leads you to conclude that being African-American does not come requisite with certain disadvantages in the US?
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: denk on May 29, 2006, 01:03:44 AM
Just to be a total dork - it's impossible to be "10% black", as the original poster wrote, isn't it?

Consider this a Logic Game:

I believe that it's only possible to be this fraction:

1 / (x ^ 2), where x >= 0.

In order words, you can only be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 black, etc...  Ok - that's it -- with a mistake like that you shouldn't go to law school.  ;)
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 29, 2006, 01:08:25 AM
Just to be a total dork - it's impossible to be "10% black", as the original poster wrote, isn't ?

Consider this a Logic Game:

I believe that it's only possible to be this fraction:

1 / (x ^ 2), where x >= 0.

In order words, you can only be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 black, etc...  ?

(Of course, the whole thing's absurd - what does "black" mean, anyhow ... but the math is fun.)
I'm pretty sure it's possible.
For example I am "1/2" black, but my black mother is not entirely black, she's racially mixed on both sides of her family.
Therefore, I'm probably not "really 1/2" black, but some other percentage. But I don't break myself into fractions or percentages. I just say that I'm mixed.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: denk on May 29, 2006, 01:09:11 AM

...what empirical evidence leads you to conclude that being African-American does not come requisite with certain disadvantages in the US?

This sounds like a dangerously invalid line of inquiry - asking someone to prove a negative like this.  More appropriate would be to ask to show proof for the contention that by simply being black, one is disadvantaged.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: denk on May 29, 2006, 01:16:48 AM
Quote

I'm pretty sure it's possible.
For example I am "1/2" black, but my black mother is not entirely black, she's racially mixed on both sides of her family.
Therefore, I'm probably not "really 1/2" black, but some other percentage...

Ummm... I don't know.  I still think that a person MUST be something from the series 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc.  I'll try an informal proof:

Say you're "mixed".
Step 1: Look at your parents - your father is white and your mother is "mixed".
Step 2: Therefore, you are 1/2 of whatever your mother is.
Step 3: To find out what your mother is, substitute her for you, and repeat at step 1.  (This is called "recursion" in computer science.)

Or, let's say your father is mixed also; maybe he's 1/2, and your mother is 1/8.  But, since those are both powers of two, when you multiply them, you get another power of two:  1/16.

This is some fast-and-loose logic here, but I think I'm on the money. 
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: Billy Pilgrim on May 29, 2006, 01:19:41 AM
It isn't worth taking the risk if you are 90/10, I think.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 29, 2006, 01:25:39 AM
[quote author=dbgirl link=topic=60816.msg1392999#msg1392999
I'm pretty sure it's possible.
For example I am "1/2" black, but my black mother is not entirely black, she's racially mixed on both sides of her family.
Therefore, I'm probably not "really 1/2" black, but some other percentage...

Ummm... I don't know.  I still think that a person MUST be something from the series 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc.  I'll try an informal proof:

Say you're "mixed".
Step 1: Look at your parents - your father is white and your mother is "mixed".
Step 2: Therefore, you are 1/2 of whatever your mother is.
Step 3: To find out what your mother is, substitute her for you, and repeat at step 1.  (This is called "recursion" in computer science.)

Or, let's say your father is mixed also; maybe he's 1/2, and your mother is 1/8.  But, since those are both powers of two, when you multiply them, you get another power of two:  1/16.

This is some fast-and-loose logic here, but I think I'm on the money. 
[/quote]

Denk, you are trying to make a simple situation out of my complicated ethnic heritage. My mother is not simply half black and half something else. My grandparents on both sides are of mixed heritage, although the "percentages" were lost somewhere along the line.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: denk on May 29, 2006, 01:27:00 AM
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1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16

Ok, my final post on this: I realized I was slightly off:  because one could also be 3/4 black, if one has one white grandparent and 3 black ones.  So the set of possible fractions is really:

1/2, n/4, n/8, n/16, etc.

By the way, I got interested in the whole math of this when a girlfriend of mine once told me she was "1/3 Dutch".  :-)  I couldn't imagine how *that* would happen.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: denk on May 29, 2006, 01:29:20 AM
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Denk, you are trying to make a simple situation out of my complicated ethnic heritage.

No, really, I was just having fun with the math. 

I believe that the whole concept of saying "1/4 Black" is silly in so many ways - mostly because it devalues the "Black" attribute - as if there's this thing that's pure "whiteness", and everything else is a dilution.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 29, 2006, 01:31:10 AM
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Denk, you are trying to make a simple situation out of my complicated ethnic heritage.

No, really, I was just having fun with the math. 

I believe that the whole concept of saying "1/4 Black" is silly in so many ways - mostly because it devalues the "Black" attribute - as if there's this thing that's pure "whiteness", and everything else is a dilution.
I agree with you here.
It's actually the whiteness that's diluting things.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: Billy Pilgrim on May 29, 2006, 12:31:26 PM
Quote
Denk, you are trying to make a simple situation out of my complicated ethnic heritage.

No, really, I was just having fun with the math. 

I believe that the whole concept of saying "1/4 Black" is silly in so many ways - mostly because it devalues the "Black" attribute - as if there's this thing that's pure "whiteness", and everything else is a dilution.

True, good point.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: SuicideNixon on May 31, 2006, 01:39:54 PM
Just to be a total dork - it's impossible to be "10% black", as the original poster wrote, isn't it?

Consider this a Logic Game:

I believe that it's only possible to be this fraction:

1 / (x ^ 2), where x >= 0.

In order words, you can only be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 black, etc...  Ok - that's it -- with a mistake like that you shouldn't go to law school.  ;)

Actually, you need an additional assumption: that each person has a finite number of ancestors. Otherwise you could construct a series SUM 1/(n^2) = 1/10th. doing so is simple in fact. but assuming that each person only has a finite number of ancestors:

Here's a number-theoretic proof: each person only has 2 parents, so the demoniator of every person's ethnic fractions are divisible by 2 only. but 10 also has 5 as a prime factor, hence it is impossible to be 1/10th black.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: dbgirl on May 31, 2006, 08:51:32 PM
Just to be a total dork - it's impossible to be "10% black", as the original poster wrote, isn't it?

Consider this a Logic Game:

I believe that it's only possible to be this fraction:

1 / (x ^ 2), where x >= 0.

In order words, you can only be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 black, etc...  Ok - that's it -- with a mistake like that you shouldn't go to law school.  ;)

Actually, you need an additional assumption: that each person has a finite number of ancestors. Otherwise you could construct a series SUM 1/(n^2) = 1/10th. doing so is simple in fact. but assuming that each person only has a finite number of ancestors:

Here's a number-theoretic proof: each person only has 2 parents, so the demoniator of every person's ethnic fractions are divisible by 2 only. but 10 also has 5 as a prime factor, hence it is impossible to be 1/10th black.
However it's possible to be very close to 1/10th black.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: SuicideNixon on June 05, 2006, 04:17:28 PM
Just to be a total dork - it's impossible to be "10% black", as the original poster wrote, isn't it?

Consider this a Logic Game:

I believe that it's only possible to be this fraction:

1 / (x ^ 2), where x >= 0.

In order words, you can only be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 black, etc...  Ok - that's it -- with a mistake like that you shouldn't go to law school.  ;)

Actually, you need an additional assumption: that each person has a finite number of ancestors. Otherwise you could construct a series SUM 1/(n^2) = 1/10th. doing so is simple in fact. but assuming that each person only has a finite number of ancestors:

Here's a number-theoretic proof: each person only has 2 parents, so the demoniator of every person's ethnic fractions are divisible by 2 only. but 10 also has 5 as a prime factor, hence it is impossible to be 1/10th black.
However it's possible to be very close to 1/10th black.

yea
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: tired3L on July 23, 2006, 08:09:33 PM
I have no clue about what percentage of any race I am.  But, I know I have a relative named "Zanuba" with no last name.  I look white so I marked "white" in the box.

However, I have since been told in the future to mark "decline to state" or "unknown."  That is probably more honest anyway.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: InterFC1 on September 12, 2006, 07:01:20 AM
I believe that the US Census defines a minority as one that is being at least 1/8th of that race.  For example, a person is considered black even if he/she has only one great-grandfather that was black.  Even if the rest of his family was of Swedish origin, this person could declare minority status.  I think that the same criteria could be utilized for LS admission purposes.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: JTG on November 28, 2006, 10:17:39 PM
I believe that the US Census defines a minority as one that is being at least 1/8th of that race.  For example, a person is considered black even if he/she has only one great-grandfather that was black.  Even if the rest of his family was of Swedish origin, this person could declare minority status.  I think that the same criteria could be utilized for LS admission purposes.

YES! One great grandfather!
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: jillibean on March 06, 2007, 06:53:43 AM
I'm black, I could pass as white but I'm 1/2-- which is way more that 10%. At that point you might as well stay white especially if you are only claiming it for URM status and don't mention it any other time. I find it kind of disqusting but thats just me
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: nerdphanie on March 06, 2007, 10:48:38 PM
I think it'd be dishonest to just check a box, but it might be worth mentioning in a diversity statement if you identify as being black. It bothers me when applicants use a smidgeon of blood solely for admissions purposes when they don't identify as a minority at all.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: struggles on March 07, 2007, 06:52:29 AM
I haven't read the entire post, but I wanted to give my input. In my opinion 10% isn't enough to claim unless you idenify enthnically or you have been disadvantaged by it in some way. Otherwise its an injustice to minorities, namely blacks and hispanics.

Will you get caught in a lie? Doubt it, so go for it if you can live with it.


Its an interesing subject though, I am half mexican but have green eyes and am very light. My mom can sometimes pass for white even though she is 100% Mexican. Some people say you can't tell there is any Mexican in me at all, but then again people stop and speak Spanish to me all the time. Then there is my niece who is 25% black with blue eyes and light brown hair. She is as light as me, the only give away is her hair texture and curl. I am definatley Mexican because I was raised by my mother and maternal family, just recently connecting with my father and his. Same goes for her, she is black not soley on the basis of 25% but also because she is in touch with it.

On the other hand, 100 or so years ago you probably couldn't vote, own property or go to a good school...so maybe somehow those disadvantages have trickled down to you and you need that extra boost on your application. I'm mostly kidding.
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: Captain on March 18, 2007, 01:20:57 PM
Which is a bone of contention for BB because he is 100 percent Aryan.


BB is your girl's father?
Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: Captain on March 18, 2007, 01:24:19 PM
I'm black, I could pass as white but I'm 1/2-- which is way more that 10%. At that point you might as well stay white especially if you are only claiming it for URM status and don't mention it any other time. I find it kind of disqusting but thats just me

from your self-tar I would've guessed Sicilian or Hispanic...

Title: Re: Can I apply as Black if I'm 10% black?
Post by: jillibean on March 18, 2007, 03:12:35 PM
I'm black, I could pass as white but I'm 1/2-- which is way more that 10%. At that point you might as well stay white especially if you are only claiming it for URM status and don't mention it any other time. I find it kind of disqusting but thats just me

from your self-tar I would've guessed Sicilian or Hispanic...



yeah I get that a lot. It's usually people trying to talk to me in Spanish. I don't get too offended until someone tries to correct me like "no, you are maybe a quarter black...or a third". My favorite is when I told an old black lady that I was president of the BSU and she said "well you're not black, at least not black enough to be president of the black student union". Now I know what barack obama feels like.