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Deciding Where to Go => Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses => Topic started by: tralala on March 28, 2006, 09:34:54 PM

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Post by: tralala on March 28, 2006, 09:34:54 PM
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Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: Lady Stardust on March 28, 2006, 09:40:33 PM

Just noticed this 10 minutes ago. Eww.

So, who else is heading down to Austin?
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: Groundhog on March 28, 2006, 09:59:52 PM
That would be an awesome way to convince no one to attend UT, despite its T16 ranking.
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: lululu on March 28, 2006, 11:31:47 PM
This is news to me... to be perfectly honest I'm not really feeling UT at this moment.  I'm living in Austin right now, finishing my MA at UT in May.  The thought of staying in Texas for another three years is not very appealing.  It's such a good school though and I have resident tuition, so I'm trying to convince myself to attend this weekend... this reading assignment (on top of the other hundred things I have to do this week) is making it hard to get motivated though.
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: soonertbone on March 28, 2006, 11:56:17 PM
There have been reading assignments at both visits I've gone to (UVA and UMich), although in both those cases they were given to us on the day we arrived. Anyway, I really wouldn't worry about it too much. In both cases the lecture was VERY non-confrontational and nobody was expected to know anything. It's just to kind of give you an idea of how class might be conducted. No reason to stress about it.
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: shae on March 29, 2006, 12:40:16 AM
i'm visiting tttexas (haha).

i think i will have a good time; although i hear it may rain  :(
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: Groundhog on March 29, 2006, 01:07:19 AM
Don't worry, shae. It's raining in LA too.
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: ElectricalStorm on March 29, 2006, 06:16:01 AM
It will be funny to see the gunners, we'll be looking for you tra  ;).

See you guys and gals this Friday!
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: jharris on March 29, 2006, 11:02:31 AM
they gave us one 2 weeks in advance for usd...it was nothing...the prof only called on people who raised their hands...and i hope that one girl that wouldnt shut the hell up doesnt end up in my section...either at usd or any other school we may "happen" to end up at...
We must have been in the same group at the USD tour... that girl would NOT shut up.  And she didn't even sound that intelligent.  Everyone was annoyed with her after a 45 minute mock class, so I can't imagine a whole year with her. 
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: fatphil05 on March 29, 2006, 12:37:41 PM
 Just when I thought I was blowing off class for the week...  I agree I don't think either of the professors will start bustin anyone's balls, but it might be entertaining if they do.  Can't wait to see the gunners in action.  At UTK most of the classes fill from the back of the room forward, so I'm interested to see it's all about.  See you guys Friday.
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: 12(e) on March 29, 2006, 12:56:42 PM
What bothers me is that they aren't saying who is going to be with which prof.  Do they really expect us to read both? 

There was a reading dooda for my UH visit, and it was no big deal, btw.

EDIT: got the email - nevermind  :D
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: ElectricalStorm on March 29, 2006, 02:24:28 PM
I was a little disapointed at first when I saw I fall under Wagner because Torts isn't my favorite thing in the world. Despite that, the opening sentence seems to indicate it might be interesting - "The primary issue presented here is whether an owner may protect personal property in an unoccupied boarded-up farm house against trespassers and thieves by a spring gun capable of inflicting death or serious injury."
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: jimmyjohn on March 29, 2006, 04:38:12 PM
Law school is about reading a lot of material you don't want to read.  Get used to it.
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: jimmyjohn on March 29, 2006, 04:38:57 PM
I was a little disapointed at first when I saw I fall under Wagner because Torts isn't my favorite thing in the world. Despite that, the opening sentence seems to indicate it might be interesting - "The primary issue presented here is whether an owner may protect personal property in an unoccupied boarded-up farm house against trespassers and thieves by a spring gun capable of inflicting death or serious injury."

No, he can't. Sorry to spoil the ending.
Title: Re: Going to UT this weekend? Done your READING ASSIGNMENT?!?!
Post by: Lady Stardust on April 01, 2006, 03:42:18 PM
So, who else went? Any reviews?

I'm particularly interested in what other out-of-staters thought.

I'll contribute my two cents when I have steady Internet access.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: Felsen on April 03, 2006, 10:31:23 AM
I didn't read this before the Visit Day.

UT Austin was my second of three law school visits.  The other school (Vanderbilt) also had a mock class, and notified students ahead of time.  I don't know how common it is.  It is a way of trying to show students what class will be like.

I was in the Wagner class.  It looks like they picked an especially cut and dry case for the class to make things simple.  She did make things more interesting by talking about variations on the case, and what modifications to the situation it would take to cause a different judgement.

One thing the mock classes have helped me learn is that I personally really enjoy the Socratic method of teaching.  Unfortunately, I think it works better in smaller class sizes, where everyone has a reasonable chance to participate every week.

I doubt I'm headed to UT next year.  Vanderbilt impressed me much more, and from what I hear the Cornell visit I'll be making this weekend is supposed to be very impressive as well.

Cedar Fever is definitely a consideration.  I've lived in the Austin area for 7 years now, and gotten hit with it every year.  I don't have much of an allergic reaction anywhere else, but having 4-6 months of Cedar Fever every year in Austin gets quite frustrating.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: kapstone on April 03, 2006, 10:41:53 AM
tralala  - what clinched it for you?  I went and really enjoyed the people and Austin (no allergies here, though I am not used to humiditiy, so I was sweating like a fat man) but I can't shake this feeling that as an out of stater, I will have to go hunting for a job that isnt in Texas, New York or DC. 
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: Pupienus on April 03, 2006, 11:16:09 AM
I doubt I'm headed to UT next year.  Vanderbilt impressed me much more, and from what I hear the Cornell visit I'll be making this weekend is supposed to be very impressive as well.

Would you care to elaborate on why you were more impresssed with Vanderbuilt?  You might have an interesting perspective, given that it seems most lots of people with an in-state tuition option are happy to attend UT.

I also went to both weekends, and I can say that I would definitely pick Vandy over UT as well.  Vandy's facilities are immeasurably nicer, and the students at Vandy seemed to show much more of an interest in letting the admitted students know how much they enjoy their school.  For example, at Vandy each admitted student had a host (who, in some cases, put them up for the night, but otherwise was just their own personal ambassador), and I was very  impressed by that whole set-up.  At Texas, however, I noticed at the event on Thursday night that there must have been a 2 to 1 ratio of admitted students to current students.   Considering there were less than 200 people there overall, and the fact that there are 1300 students at UT, that to me screams "apathy."  I want to go to a school where the students love the school enough to participate in such events.  In short, the facilities and the students are really the only variables to which the visitation days helped to assign a value for me, and Vanderbilt was impressive while UT was underwhelming.

Also, I thought that both Thursday and Friday were poorly organized in general, which kind of turned me off.  There are a bunch of other reasons I would pick Vandy over UT, but I will not elaborate on all of them, as it really boils down to a personal preference.  In short, UT's only obvious advantages over Vanderbilt (ranking and Austin) are rather meaningless to me because I could care less about ranking and I think Austin is overrated (I live there currently, and as a non-native Texan, I have to say that Texas would be great if it weren't full of Texans -- no offense, y'all).
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: kapstone on April 03, 2006, 11:16:17 AM
PS - one more question.  did anyone else notice that a lot of kids did summer school in their first summer?  that struck me as a little weird
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: Felsen on April 03, 2006, 11:41:22 AM
I doubt I'm headed to UT next year.  Vanderbilt impressed me much more, and from what I hear the Cornell visit I'll be making this weekend is supposed to be very impressive as well.

Would you care to elaborate on why you were more impresssed with Vanderbuilt?  You might have an interesting perspective, given that it seems most lots of people with an in-state tuition option are happy to attend UT.

Tuition isn't an issue for me.  Vanderbilt already made me my Financial Aid offer.  Their need based grant cut tution down to around 18-19K, which is covered by the Stafford Loans.  I don't see UT giving a large grant to cut the cost to a much lower level.

The Vanderbilt building was better than UT.  I believe Vanderbilt just finished remodelling, and it looks like a fresh new building.  UT has a wooden ramp built up so they can meet handicap codes.  They have furniture in the commons area that looks like it comes from the 70's.

Vanderbilt's visitation day also did seem much better organized.  They had individual student hosts instead of a 1 hour tour guide.  The faculty did a better job of impressing me in their capabilities.

Nashville impressed me as being a nicer city to live in than Austin.  Tennessee actually appears to have a Department of Transportation that builds roads as or before they are needed.  Austin is about 25 years behind in road building.  I could find a nice place in Nashville at a reasonable price, and be a 15 minute drive from school in rush hour.  To find a comparably nice place in Austin, I'd either have to pay a lot more to be close, or endure a 30-45 minute rush hour to and from school.  (In case you are wondering, yes I've lived in the Austin area for 7 years now.  My wife has lived in Austin her entire life minus college.  She actually worked downtown and regularly complained about her long commutes to and from work).

I could be happy going to UT Austin if I didn't have better choices.  My wife and I just both came back from Nashville believing it would be a better place for us than UT.  I can't comment on Cornell yet, but I'll know that by this time next week.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: Felsen on April 03, 2006, 12:26:05 PM
Plus the brisket wasn't all that great, which made me sad.

Maybe you can get on the SROC for next year and tell them that they'll get more folks if they get Rudy's to cater instead of Pok-E-Joe's.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: kapstone on April 03, 2006, 01:12:37 PM
Here is my perspective - I am as out of state as it gets and will flee Texas at graduation if i go there.  A note about some of my biases: I am very liberal and went to a state school for undergrad, where I was an out of stater.  Overall I liked the school and the amtosphere was great.  I am still unsure though.  Here are my thoughts (if they seem negatives, its only because thats the way i think)

-It clearly wasnt very well organized - the events were sort of repetitive and  there wasnt a board student representation - everyone seemed to be very similiar in their involvement and thoughts about the school (some of that is to be expected as it is a self selecting grouo).
- it did seem like a place where students challenged each other in a healthy way, rather than a super-compettive way (great for me)
- its more conservative than other similiarly ranked schools - both students and profs was my impression.
- as noted above - they beat us over the head with the this is a national school - which was good to a point because that was one of questions - but for some reason they didnt completly sell me on that point and i still fear i will graduate and not get a job in the states i want to live doing something i want to do.  It felt like a school where if you do well you can practice anywhere, but if you arent in the top 25% you might not.
- it seemed like Career Services was focused on getting us into big law programs - which is understandable, but as someone who may not want that, i still have some uncertainty.
- It was my first time in Texas, and I really liked Austin and think it would be a great place to be in school.  Most everyone was friendly and interested in meeting people.  There werent too many good ol boys, but the whole flavor of the prospies was Southern.  There didnt seem to be a lot of out of staters available to talk to, which left me a little uneasy because one of the things i didnt like about my undergrad was that i felt like an outsider because i didnt grow up in that state - felt a little too similiar for me.
-   the facilities were not great - really weird rooms, few outlets and dark archecture.
- there was nowhere to eat by the school!!!!  if you are there 10 hours a day, where does one get lunch???
- I met someone going to UVa who didnt know where Northwestern was and my jaw almost dropped because i couldnt believe someone that smart could be that shelterd.
- People seemed happy there, which is an accomplishment for a law school.
- People love UT football, which is great, but I dont know if i see myself going to games while in law school.

those are my thoughts - a little scattered but i am still proccessing.  also at work, so cant take too much time to edit.

any other questions for an out of stater?
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: 12(e) on April 03, 2006, 01:16:50 PM
aparently, they're building a cafeteria/lunch area thingy in the LS building that will be done by next year (I suspect it will have a fast food chain or two in it, but I don't really know).  It's in what is (or was) called the Casino (near the journals).
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: Felsen on April 03, 2006, 03:26:41 PM
It looked an awful lot to me like the breakpoint for getting that 5k/yr was about 168, not 165.  I originally got nothing (167), waved some other scholarship offers at them and got $2500, then appealed again on the grounds of personal wonderfulness and got the 5k.

I got a 170, and UT hasn't mentioned anything about scholarships.  I'm thinking my 3.45 UG GPA hurt me, even though it was in Engineering.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: LonghornDUG on April 03, 2006, 04:21:02 PM
- there was nowhere to eat by the school!!!!  if you are there 10 hours a day, where does one get lunch???
There are actually lots of places to eat on/around campus. 

Close by, there are a few little lunch-type places at Red River and 26th street.  The back of the law school backs up to Red River, so they're just a short walk away.  There are also some places that lots of people go for lunch across 26th street from the engineering buildings.  They're at 26th and San Jacinto -- again, a very short walk.

On campus, there is an AMAZING little restaurant in the Computer Sciences building, which is 3-4 blocks away.  And then there are TONS of fast-food restaurants in the student union, which admittedly, is on the other side of campus -- but a bus whould get you there very quickly and give you a nice break from school.

Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: Lady Stardust on April 03, 2006, 05:02:20 PM

I'm still waiting to read an out-of-stater's review.  I spoke to one east-coast ivy grad who was also considering Penn and as we talked I kept thinking 'Dude, there is no way you're going to choose this school.  What were you thinking?'  He wasn't stuffy, but he was awfully hip in a way that I don't associate with Austin or Texas.

Like Pupienus, I don't really want to get into differences because at a certain point it's all a matter of preference.  I don't think I'm going to be that great a fit at UT (not just because I'm old) but I think it's big enough that I'll be fine.  I don't need my law school colleagues to like the same music/books/movies that I do - I just want them to be smart, considerate, and occasionally funny.


Another review, from a New Yorker:

I liked Austin a lot and could definitely see myself living there for 3 years.

As far as UT goes, I was most impressed with its quality of academics, advocacy programs, and clinical programs. I really do think that they're better than at most 10-14 schools. 

However, I left with the impression that UT isn't the best fit for me. One big concern was the student body and the social community. Literally everyone that I met was genuinely nice and friendly; it was the greatest concentration of nice and friendly people that Iíve experienced in my life. However, I found both the prospective and current students with whom I interacted to be sort of plain and uninteresting. Few people seemed hip or eclectic or offbeat in any way, from looks to personalities to interests. In short, I didnít meet anyone who I was interested in getting to know better. Furthermore, the social community seemed largely built around keggers, booze cruises, and bar reviews at typical college bars. While I enjoyed it for a couple years in college, Iím quite bored with that scene at this point and was put off by its prevalence.

Archival, I envy that fitting in is of little concern to you. Generally, it also would be of little concern to me. However, when combined with moving far away from family and friends, embarking upon a long distance relationship, getting used to being a student again, and getting over various aspects of culture shock, if you will, I'm not too eager to have to put in extra effort to make a handful of friends in greater Austin.

I had a couple of other meaningful concerns about UT as well. I'm interested in public service, and UT appeared to devote far fewer resources to public interest than its competitor schools. I was hoping that, despite the lack of LRAP, the school would have a more cohesive public interest community. Less importantly, I value school leadership, and I thought that Dean Goode was not a particularly good speaker and very underwhelming in his vision for the school. Of course, he is only an interim dean.

Anyway, those are some of my thoughts. Thanks for showing me a good time, Austin.

EDIT: For context, I'm only 22, despite not coming straight from undergrad.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: ElectricalStorm on April 03, 2006, 05:46:50 PM
...would be great if it weren't full of Texans -- no offense, y'all.
Funny enough, I heard the observation that Austin had 'too many Americans, not enough Texans' ;)

I enjoyed my time at the PSD (nice to get some heat and sun finally) and feel pretty confident on my decision to go to UT.

Couldn't help but look around and wonder who on this board was there. Tried to put your tiny avatar picture to a face tralala haha.

One of the more interesting moments for me was when some current students sat down at my table after lunch (they were raiding the leftovers) and one said something to the effect of "I think your class is going to have a good group of hot girls, last year was a bit short, and this upcoming year looks to be good."
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: ElectricalStorm on April 03, 2006, 07:46:26 PM
"I think your class is going to have a good group of hot girls, last year was a bit short, and this upcoming year looks to be good."

I surely hope I help contributed to that statement!  Haha.

Oh I'm certain! hehe. Actually, I think a blonde walked by just before he said that  ;)
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: maddhopps on April 03, 2006, 08:51:41 PM
No doubt, I was pleasantly surprised by the female PSDers.  However, I expect much more from the undergrads.  My girlfriend would never let me go to UT if she saw the girls that were walking around campus.

At PSD, I was a little turned off by how often the current students talked about FREE FOOD at the law school.  I suppose it's to be expected; but it feels really tacky after growing accustomed to the corporate world.  Whatever... I'm sure I'll revert to my free-pizza-snacking / free-t-shirt-nabbing ways in no time.

Goodbye: slacks, collars, and dress socks.
Hello: jeans, baseball caps, and sandals.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: anise on April 04, 2006, 06:25:44 AM
I've heard the free food talk at several admitted days...it does seem childish to me as well.

I am really shocked by the "not enough funky vibe" talk. Austin is full of funky vibe, you just have to look for it. I don't know that law students are going to provide it, but come on...it's a law school. Lawyers are not the funkiest people in the general population.

Also, the self-selection argument is correct. I know non-Texans often don't get it, but most Texans love Texas and plan to stay here. A lot of people from other states also want to live in the state where they grew up, it is no different in Texas. People have contacts, loved ones etc. I have friends who have chosen UT over Harvard and Columbia. Not everyone wants to move across the country to go to a "better" school or a "better firm" after school. In the same way, I can understand why people from other parts of the country wouldn't want to come here. If I was from the NE, I would probably want to stay there too.

Just some thoughts...

Good luck with your decisions y'all! :)
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: 12(e) on April 04, 2006, 07:58:40 AM
...would be great if it weren't full of Texans -- no offense, y'all.
Funny enough, I heard the observation that Austin had 'too many Americans, not enough Texans' ;)


 :D  I would agree with that statement (not enough Texans)  BTW, I'm not a native; I've only been in TX for a couple of years.

Couldn't help but look around and wonder who on this board was there. Tried to put your tiny avatar picture to a face tralala haha.

 :D Me too.  I'm pretty sure I did identify Tra, though; I think I even had a conversation with you.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: 12(e) on April 04, 2006, 08:40:10 AM
 :D metaphorical.  I'm 90% sure I'm going to UT. 

To be honest, UH kind of irritated me when they offered me THE SAME scholarship as UT and then made it sound like UH and UT were comperable when they replied to my letter re:scholarship offers (I know, makes me sound arrogant, but I might as well be honest).  Besides, UT had everything that I liked about UH except more and better.  So, the ONLY reason to choose UH is just to stay in Houston, and that's not a good reason when it's the only reason.  UT has almost everything going for it.  How can I possibly turn it down?
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: LonghornDUG on April 04, 2006, 08:44:03 AM
On another note, I really don't understand why UT doesn't come up with a better argument in support of "we're national" besides mere repetition.
This was annoying to me, also.  Why does Carreer Services not ask people: did you get a job outside of Texas if you wanted one?  They report that 20% of people end up leaving Texas, and before this year, 20% of matriculants were from out of state, so it not impossible that everyone who comes here from out of state wanted to leave and that they all did so.  Why can't they tell prospective students exactly how that shakes out?  Like TonyP said, it's sloppy marketing and it makes UT look like they don't care about people who don't want to practice in Texas.  I think that's kind of foolish if it's true, as it's now up to 35% out-of-staters.  That's a big chunk of the student population whose needs are not being addressed in recruiting.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I think there are a couple factors that many out-of-staters miss.  I personally moved to Texas 7ish years ago from the Midwest, and I was VERY skeptical.  Now, I honestly have no desire to leave.  I'm just like all the speakers kept saying -- "I got here 23 years ago and never left."  Believe me, I do understand that this mentality is very difficult to grasp for any of y'all coming from out-of-state, but I'd venture to guess that you will be in the same boat in a few years.  I think that is a huge reason that people don't leave Texas after graduation -- it's not that they can't, it's that they just don't want to.

Second, as was explained to me by a current 1L, money plays a huge factor in these decisions as well.  The starting salary in Houston is $135K (compared to $145K in NYC).  The cost of living in Houston is dirt-cheap, especially when compared to NYC or DC.  So many 3Ls, when looking at $150K worth of debt stay in Texas b/c they can make the same money with a cost-of-living that is 1/2 or maybe even 1/3 of what it is elsewhere.  At some point, practicality sets in and they stay in Texas for those reasons.

Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: 12(e) on April 04, 2006, 08:47:56 AM
:D metaphorical.  I'm 90% sure I'm going to UT. 

To be honest, UH kind of irritated me when they offered me THE SAME scholarship as UT and then made it sound like UH and UT were comperable when they replied to my letter re:scholarship offers (I know, makes me sound arrogant, but I might as well be honest).  Besides, UT had everything that I liked about UH except more and better.  So, the ONLY reason to choose UH is just to stay in Houston, and that's not a good reason when it's the only reason.  UT has almost everything going for it.  How can I possibly turn it down?

90%  !!!???

 ::) 90-95% at any rate, it's so high that it's really just a matter of me committing and sending them money.  Only then will it be 100%
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: 12(e) on April 04, 2006, 08:55:52 AM
 :D

EDIT: plat deleted; I swear I'm not talking to myself.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: 12(e) on April 04, 2006, 08:58:49 AM
UT accepted and decided thread:

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,58834.msg1184578.html#msg1184578 (http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,58834.msg1184578.html#msg1184578)
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: nowayman on April 04, 2006, 09:00:59 AM
Couldn't help but look around and wonder who on this board was there. Tried to put your tiny avatar picture to a face tralala haha.

Hey... I remember that conversation...

Check my avatar.

Preemptive defense: I'm not that weird.  I was on 3 hours of sleep, a 3 hour drive, and 4 energy drinks.  :)   

Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: LonghornDUG on April 04, 2006, 09:52:28 AM
I think that is a huge reason that people don't leave Texas after graduation -- it's not that they can't, it's that they just don't want to.

What we think (I do agree with you.) is not the point, though.  Why did they not have data on hand for people like the guy I talked to who was comparing UT to Penn?  He has family on the east coast, connections in DC, and an east-coast-ivy-undergrad alumni network.  Truly, were he to come here he would likely leave Texas after graduation, but nothing in the marketing for prospective students provided any hard numbers about how much help he'd get from UT Career Services / UT's reputation / UT alumni in finding work out east.  It's quite likely that many in that 35% out-of-state group are going to be in a similar position.  Why no consideration for them?  If we're going to have out-of-staters in our fabulous state-supported institution, don't we want the best and brightest?

Agreed.  They're in an odd position (being a state school in the south), and they probably should have some sort of stat for "percentage who wanted to leave who were able to find jobs exactly where they wanted to" or something to that effect.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: ElectricalStorm on April 04, 2006, 12:40:42 PM
Couldn't help but look around and wonder who on this board was there. Tried to put your tiny avatar picture to a face tralala haha.
Hey... I remember that conversation...

Check my avatar.

Preemptive defense: I'm not that weird.  I was on 3 hours of sleep, a 3 hour drive, and 4 energy drinks.  :)   

haha. I likewise was on 3 hours of sleep and a 3 hour drive, but my energy came from bad roadside coffee.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: Felsen on April 04, 2006, 01:04:36 PM
To be honest, I cannot think of any good way for UT to portray themselves as a more national school.  I definitely start thinking something is rotten when a school starts making new statistics such as "Did you get a job offer out of state if you wanted one?"  If they started doing all sorts of statistics along those lines, it would look more suspicious that they were trying to cover up for something.

I believe they did state that 60% of the recruiting firms are from out of state.

Currently, if you want a job outside of Texas, they can probably get you one easy enough.  Texas' presence in the top 20 law schools virtually guarantees that possibility.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: maddhopps on April 04, 2006, 03:08:45 PM
Also quite possible.  I'm a very social person, chances are I talked to almost everyone that was ther on day 1...day 2 i tended to hang with those people.

That explains why the 0Ls didn't seem very friendly when I arrived on Day 2.  Many were probably already exhausted from Day 1 introductions and found their cliques.  Yeah, that definitely must've been it b/c I'm f*ckin awesome.
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thread)
Post by: maddhopps on April 04, 2006, 03:17:45 PM
Well...to be honest, we were all hungover.

I arrived in Austin at 11:45p Thurs night... please don't tell me I could've made it to Bar Review!  damn damn damn
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: LonghornDUG on April 04, 2006, 03:30:15 PM
That explains why the 0Ls didn't seem very friendly when I arrived on Day 2.  Many were probably already exhausted from Day 1 introductions and found their cliques.  Yeah, that definitely must've been it b/c I'm f*ckin awesome.

Maddhopps -- shouldn't you be consulting or something right now??  ;)
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: maddhopps on April 04, 2006, 04:37:47 PM
That explains why the 0Ls didn't seem very friendly when I arrived on Day 2.  Many were probably already exhausted from Day 1 introductions and found their cliques.  Yeah, that definitely must've been it b/c I'm f*ckin awesome.

Maddhopps -- shouldn't you be consulting or something right now??  ;)

LOL, I was falling asleep in a meeting this afternoon so the client manager passed the candy bowl to me.  I'm probably gonna get fired before I can quit.

DUG -- Shouldn't you be changing those little yellow lightbulbs above the seats in 737s??   :o
Title: Re: UTexas Admitted Students Weekend Review (formerly the reading assignment thr
Post by: Euclid on April 05, 2006, 02:03:28 PM
Are there any native Californians on board for 06?