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Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: Aharon on March 28, 2006, 07:03:41 AM

Title: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: Aharon on March 28, 2006, 07:03:41 AM
Think this looks legit?  If it is, some interesting changes...

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/875/2007b1kd.gif
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: TheJesus on March 28, 2006, 07:04:38 AM
Think this looks legit?  If it is, some interesting changes...

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/875/2007b1kd.gif

wow...that's the first one of many I've seen that looks like it actually MIGHT be legit...

where'd you get it?

EDIT: haha...just noticed Harvard is above Yale...no way this is real
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: TheJesus on March 28, 2006, 07:25:10 AM
If it's fake, it took some real effort.  Props to whomever. 

Oh, and if it's real: Michigan at 6, baby!

That said, it seems unlikley that Michigan could jump that many points, especially without a significant gain in reputation score, and it's all-too-coincidental that the picture cuts off all of the other data.

Well, I'm rooting for U of M to move up/stay high too so that you guys all continue to leave the state upon graduation so us Wayne State people will continue to have our pick of the jobs in the Detroit area.. ;D

Unfortunately, though, this one is fake...though a good fake
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: HippieLawChick on March 28, 2006, 07:30:01 AM
While I would love to see WI above W & L, I doubt that would happen.
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: mccapj2 on March 28, 2006, 07:34:47 AM
Harvard isn't above Yale... they are tied for 1st place with perfect scores...
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: bimmer sooner on March 28, 2006, 07:36:05 AM
wustl back at 20 huh? interesting...
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: TheJesus on March 28, 2006, 07:42:00 AM
Harvard isn't above Yale... they are tied for 1st place with perfect scores...

which probably wouldn't happen...
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: nmb238 on March 28, 2006, 07:50:06 AM
WIth NYU stealing all that prestigious faculty and Penn's selectivity going insane, I cant imagine theyd drop so behind. Maybe NYU, but Penn?

I dont buy it. Ill beleive it when I see it on their website.

~n
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: TheJesus on March 28, 2006, 07:52:40 AM
I think I can confirm this is a fake...

US News doesn't include (or never has in the past) data from part-time programs, however, that data is included in these numbers for the schools that have part-time programs...

Look at Georgetown, Fordham, GW and compare it to the data at LSAC.org...

Looks like someone just went through the new ABA data on LSAC.org and just used the information in the 'Total' column, which gives accurate numbers for all the schools that don't have part-time numbers, but not for the ones that do...

...my guess is that they were probably unaware that US News doesn't include the part-time data when they made this....

Anyway, all they'd have to do is enter the data into Excel, add the column titles to the top and then print it out and take a picture...
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: Fred Hits on March 28, 2006, 07:53:38 AM
good find
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 07:56:33 AM
I think within a year or two they will start including PT data.  At least the schools that PT students are included in the curve.  For GW, there is one curve, so it only makes sense to include them in the data. 
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: TheJesus on March 28, 2006, 07:57:20 AM
I think I can confirm this is a fake...

US News doesn't include (or never has in the past) data from part-time programs, however, that data is included in these numbers for the schools that have part-time programs...

Look at Georgetown, Fordham, GW...

Looks like someone just went through the new ABA data on LSAC.org and just used the information in the 'Total' column...my guess is that they were unaware that US News doesn't include the part-time data...



Wouldn't it be a riot if USNews actually used part-time data this year? A whole bunch of back doors would close.

How do you figure?
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: George JeffersonČ on March 28, 2006, 07:59:13 AM
Well, part-time programs tend to have significantly lower numbers than their full time counterparts. If programs are forced to make their part time programs as competitive as their full time programs, because the numbers are computed in ranking data, people sneaking in with lower numbers would be a thing of the past. It is only a "back door" when it is easier.
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 08:00:33 AM
Well, part-time programs tend to have significantly lower numbers than their full time counterparts. If programs are forced to make their part time programs as competitive as their full time programs, because the numbers are computed in ranking data, people sneaking in with lower numbers would be a thing of the past. It is only a "back door" when it is easier.

"significantly lower numbers" is definately not true.  I think the GW numbers are 1 or 2 points different than the FT 75Th percentile.
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: TheJesus on March 28, 2006, 08:01:27 AM
I think within a year or two they will start including PT data.  At least the schools that PT students are included in the curve.  For GW, there is one curve, so it only makes sense to include them in the data. 

Actually, it doesn't make sense to include part-time data, as the numbers for part-time students are generally lower since most have jobs, families, or have been out of school for a number of years and therefor don't have it as easy as full-time students...

And since certain schools have PT programs and others don't, including this data would result in a false comparison of their law program, which is exactly why US News doesn't include it

And the curve a school uses has zilch to do with the data that US News bases it's ranking on
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: TheJesus on March 28, 2006, 08:04:29 AM
Well, part-time programs tend to have significantly lower numbers than their full time counterparts. If programs are forced to make their part time programs as competitive as their full time programs, because the numbers are computed in ranking data, people sneaking in with lower numbers would be a thing of the past. It is only a "back door" when it is easier.

lol, there are so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to begin...

I will only say that you are mixing up cause and effect...think about it some more

Plus, your assertion that PT tend to have significantly lower numbers is not always true...check out the data at LSAC.org for the school I will be attending in the fall, Wayne State University...you will see that PT and FT are pretty much the same
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: George JeffersonČ on March 28, 2006, 08:09:04 AM
Well, part-time programs tend to have significantly lower numbers than their full time counterparts. If programs are forced to make their part time programs as competitive as their full time programs, because the numbers are computed in ranking data, people sneaking in with lower numbers would be a thing of the past. It is only a "back door" when it is easier.

"significantly lower numbers" is definately not true.  I think the GW numbers are 1 or 2 points different than the FT 75Th percentile.

I understand that you want to defend youself and your school and your part-time program, annoying people both here and on xo, but give me a break...1-2 points is significant when talking about the LSAT across a large group of people. Does it mean that the people with higher scores are necessarily smarter? Of course not. Does it mean people got in with significantly lower numbers...yes.

Here go the numbers:

Full Time: 166/163 median: 165
Part Time: 164/160 median: 161

If the part time program was considered a full time school for argument sake, with the same rep rating but these numbers, it would be significantly distant from full time GW.

STFU
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: George JeffersonČ on March 28, 2006, 08:09:51 AM
Well, part-time programs tend to have significantly lower numbers than their full time counterparts. If programs are forced to make their part time programs as competitive as their full time programs, because the numbers are computed in ranking data, people sneaking in with lower numbers would be a thing of the past. It is only a "back door" when it is easier.

lol, there are so many things wrong with this that I don't know where to begin...

I will only say that you are mixing up cause and effect...think about it some more

Plus, your assertion that PT tend to have significantly lower numbers is not always true...check out the data at LSAC.org for the school I will be attending in the fall, Wayne State University...you will see that PT and FT are pretty much the same

"tend"
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 08:13:06 AM
That really isn't that true since adcomms usually view LSAT scores in ranges of 5's or so.  You see 160-165, 165-170, etc.... 

Nonetheless, it is all irrelevant since I could care less.  I am going PT bc I chose to, not because I have to, so yeah, I guess I do get a bit defensive....  Sorry.
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: George JeffersonČ on March 28, 2006, 08:16:47 AM
That really isn't that true since adcomms usually view LSAT scores in ranges of 5's or so.  You see 160-165, 165-170, etc.... 

Nonetheless, it is all irrelevant since I could care less.  I am going PT bc I chose to, not because I have to, so yeah, I guess I do get a bit defensive....  Sorry.

Adcomms may see numbers in groups of "5's" but adcomms =/= USNews
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 08:17:26 AM
Point noted.
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: George JeffersonČ on March 28, 2006, 08:21:25 AM
Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to take anything away from your success at gaining entry to GW. The numbers tell a certain story about a group, not about individuals. I realize that GW is a great school, and that both the full time program and part time program are filled with capable students.
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: Erapitt on March 28, 2006, 08:24:01 AM
No no no, not offended at all.  I can honestly say I don't really ever get offended on here.  I just get animated.  There is a difference between speaking out and actually caring what people say on these boards.  All is well :).
Title: Re: USNews 2007 Law School Rankings
Post by: stacy on March 28, 2006, 12:47:58 PM
also, i thought that USN was going to a median, not a 25/75, statistic for gpa and lsats this year...this page definitely doesn't reflect that.

i call a fake.