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Title: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pass36 on February 28, 2006, 02:12:51 AM
There is probably a topic like this already, but I couldn't find it in this board.

I am looking at the Gateway CX200 -- some of the tablet stuff looks cool -- but I am concerned about it only coming with Windows XP Tablet PC, which I don't know anything about, and about the less robust wireless capabilities (not Centrino).  Anyone have an opinion?

Several people seem to have had bad experiences with Dells.

One good bit of advice I did see was that a lot of notebooks come with a three year service / support option, and if you could manage to hold off buying one until July it would have the coverage through when you took the bar exam, just in case something tragic happened your third year...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: kuokuo on February 28, 2006, 05:08:09 AM
Actually, I think the Gateway CX200 does use centrino technology.  Personally, centrino is not something to get really excited about.  In general, I've noticed computers with centrino tech provide above average battery life, but not much way in other advantages.

However, I personally love the intel laptop processors (pentium m, celeron m, and intel core duos).  They are extremely efficient and megahertz for megahertz much better than intel's pentium 4 offerings.  It always annoyed me that intel went to a less efficient pentium 4 architecture just to try and win the MHz race.  MHz is NOT the only factor in performance...Sorry...a bit off subject.

Anyway, I've had good experiences with Dell.  But, in the end, the laptops at each price point should have similar quality.  Basically, the majority of computer companies (dell, gateway, etc.) use the same handful of Taiwanese/Chinese laptop  manufacturers (Quanta, Compal, etc.) to make notebooks for them. SO yup. Dells and Gateways are coming out of the same factories...

When it comes to warranties, I'd be wary.  They are definitely NOT what they used to be.  Companies have really been skimping on this end in order to save on costs.  I'd thoroughly research each company, however.  This is where they differentiate. 

I once bought a sony laptop for 1600.  I treated it like my baby, but after a few months the screen got screwy.  I sent it back to Sony and they wanted 2200 to fix it!
They said I had damaged it, but, like I said, I treated it like my baby.  In the end, I just went out and bought a dell...   





     

   
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bsrlegal on February 28, 2006, 06:06:08 AM
My experience with Dells is limited to its desktops, which were o.k.  I will say based on friends and relatives who have made recent Dell purchases, customer service is where they struggle.  Dell's profits are with the business segment and not the personal segment, so they have no incentive to provide high quality service and thus outsource their tech support to India and such.

My plan is to go with Lenovo/IBM and their Z60.  Yes, it costs more, but tech support is provided exclusively in Atlanta, GA, and PC Mag and other reviews list IBM support as the best outside of Apple.  The general maxim holds true: you get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on February 28, 2006, 06:37:46 AM
I second the Thinkpad choice. If I can't use a Mac for law school, a T or X Series will be my choice.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on February 28, 2006, 06:39:37 AM
I have had bad experiences with Dells - had two different notebooks - BUT I must say that I think downloading Kazza music program was what killed one of them :)

It is so funny that you mention the Gateway CX200 because that is the one that I am really leaning towards at this time.  I love the additional functionality it offers and the price is very reasonable.  My husband was looking at it last night and had the same concern you did about Windows XP Tablet.  Anyone know about this?  With that said, I believe it is going to be the same as your standard Windows XP but with the character recognition for tablet writing - but that is just a guess.  Also, it comes with OneNote which I really want to try and use.  

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: kuokuo on February 28, 2006, 06:43:41 AM
I don't have any off hand knowledge of Win XP tablet, but I'm 99% sure it'll have all the features of at least Win XP Home...

I have a few friends working at Microsoft, I'll see if they know anything...

I am also very impressed with Thinkpads and Lenovo...and as the poster said above...you certainly do get what u pay for in the computer industry...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: queencruella on February 28, 2006, 06:51:55 AM
Thinkpads have excellent support and are generally very reliable.  I think Dell's laptop quality is improving, however.

Keep in mind that depending on where you live, some warranties may not be available. When I was looking to buy my laptop, few companies would offer all-inclusive coverage in Florida because we have so many lightning storms. It's really not that hard to troubleshoot your laptop yourself and do minor fixes on your own. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: upNdown on February 28, 2006, 07:58:45 AM
In general, I've noticed computers with centrino tech provide above average battery life, but not much way in other advantages.

   

OK, but what else does your typical law school student need?  Word processing and surfing websies like westlaw or lexus nexus - that's about it as far as I can tell.  And I'm not 100% certain, but I'd be willing to bet you could pull a processor out of a gambeoy advance or whatever the cool handheld video game is these days and it would handle those tasks just fine. 

Anyway, that's why I chose Pentium M (Centrino) - they generally give significantly better battery life.   I'm sure any notebook will give me the minimal processing power I need; when I want to edit video footage and burn it to DVD, I'll use my desktop.  But for the laptop, I'm looking for the longest battery life in the lightest package for the cheapest price. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: upNdown on February 28, 2006, 08:00:42 AM
double post
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: aufhebung on February 28, 2006, 08:06:02 AM
I've been batting my eyelashes at the Thinkpad x41 tablet... I like the idea of an ultralight computer with a screen that I can rotate 90 degrees to make it look like the page I'm trying to read.

Has anyone had any experience with tablets? 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1Laspirant on February 28, 2006, 08:09:36 AM
Is there any reason NOT to have/use a Mac in law school? What are the advantages of a PC-based, as opposed to Mac-based laptop for school?

I really like the reliability of the Macs, but I'm daunted by the price. Any suggestions?

If I can't use a Mac for law school, a T or X Series will be my choice.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bsrlegal on February 28, 2006, 08:19:33 AM
Here's the basics of what I've found.

1.  Most law schools offer support for Windows but not Macs.  Some law schools even prohibit Macs.

2.  More importantly, I am not aware of a single law school that allows you to take your exams on a Mac, since the exam software only works on Windows and not on Windows emulatiion.

#2 is the reason why I eliminated Macs from consideration.  I don't want to have to write every exam in longhand.  Ouch!  My hand hurts just thinking about that!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on February 28, 2006, 08:22:37 AM
Is there any reason NOT to have/use a Mac in law school? What are the advantages of a PC-based, as opposed to Mac-based laptop for school?

I really like the reliability of the Macs, but I'm daunted by the price. Any suggestions?

If I can't use a Mac for law school, a T or X Series will be my choice.

I think the question should have been asked the other way around.  Why would anyone consider using a Mac?  They are crap machines, way overpriced, and on the brink of extinction.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on February 28, 2006, 08:41:08 AM
Here's the basics of what I've found.

1.  Most law schools offer support for Windows but not Macs.  Some law schools even prohibit Macs.

2.  More importantly, I am not aware of a single law school that allows you to take your exams on a Mac, since the exam software only works on Windows and not on Windows emulatiion.

#2 is the reason why I eliminated Macs from consideration.  I don't want to have to write every exam in longhand.  Ouch!  My hand hurts just thinking about that!

Harvard Law lists minimum hardware requirements for both PCs and Macs. This seems to imply either is fine for exam taking...

http://www.law.harvard.edu/administration/its/students/specs.php
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on February 28, 2006, 08:50:54 AM
I think the question should have been asked the other way around.  Why would anyone consider using a Mac?  They are crap machines, way overpriced, and on the brink of extinction.

I have not owned one yet. However, I would like to based on the discussions with many of my software engineer coworkers who own both. They all now prefer their Macs. For their personal uses (email, office apps, hooking up digital cameras/camcorders, media manipulation, etc), OS X offers a more inuitive interface while being more reliable and, at this point, far less targeted by virus creators. Not to mention the hardware form factors of most Macs are quite appealing. Not to mention the term "crap machines" is what I usually use to describe my experience with HP, Compaq, Gateway, and to some degree Dell laptops.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bsrlegal on February 28, 2006, 08:56:50 AM
quote author=Hobert link=topic=55482.msg1088914#msg1088914 date=1141141268]

Harvard Law lists minimum hardware requirements for both PCs and Macs. This seems to imply either is fine for exam taking...

Thanks Hobert for catching my overgeneralization.  I should have stated that all the law schools I've researched don't allow Macs for exam taking.  I didn't look at any of the T14, since I stood no chance of admittance there.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1Laspirant on February 28, 2006, 09:03:49 AM
Ah. That pretty much makes that decision for me, as well. I'll have to check with the schools I'm applying to. Thanks for a well-reasoned response.

Here's the basics of what I've found.
2.  More importantly, I am not aware of a single law school that allows you to take your exams on a Mac, since the exam software only works on Windows and not on Windows emulatiion.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1Laspirant on February 28, 2006, 09:05:19 AM
Thanks for a reponse that's really no help, due to its lack of specific reasoning.

I think the question should have been asked the other way around.  Why would anyone consider using a Mac?  They are crap machines, way overpriced, and on the brink of extinction.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: whoisjohngalt on February 28, 2006, 09:13:42 AM
Notre Dame's website mentions the Examsoft version of Mac, so I assume you can actually use it there.

Most law schools are too f-ing lazy/cheap to provide support for Macs, though I think Stanford actually does as well.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: upNdown on February 28, 2006, 09:34:46 AM

Most law schools are too f-ing lazy/cheap to provide support for Macs, though I think Stanford actually does as well.

If my tuition is five dollars cheaper because the school decided not to support Macs, which are used by a vast minority of people, then I am grateful. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on February 28, 2006, 09:43:52 AM
Notre Dame's website mentions the Examsoft version of Mac, so I assume you can actually use it there.

Most law schools are too f-ing lazy/cheap to provide support for Macs, though I think Stanford actually does as well.

Unless you work for Hollywood or the media or pulishing industry, chances are, Macs are totally alien to your work environment.  I have worked as IT professional on wall street for the past 2 years, and have not seen a single Mac anywhere on wall street. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: what? on February 28, 2006, 09:58:17 AM
Because I thought last May that I was going into education, I bought an iMac G5 to replace my PC.  Even though I never install ANYTHING on my computer or download anything, I usually would have to spend two whole days once every six months reformatting the HD and doing all sorts of maintenance because the registry gets all screwy.  With my Mac, I have not had a single problem.  Also, it was cheaper than my PC laptop because I got it on sale and Apple gives a pretty decent student discount.

I am thinking I will give my iMac to my sister, who is going off to college next year, and get one of the new MacBook laptops to use in class, while using my old PC laptop (which just barely meets schools' minimum requirements) to take exams.  Since the new MacBooks have Intel architecture, maybe by the time we graduate (and my other laptop dies) the exam software will work on them. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on February 28, 2006, 10:10:58 AM
The myth that Mac is more stable than PC is not true.  In reality, a server on MS Windows can often run up to a year without needing restart. Macs tend to have less problem simply because it OS supports only a tiny fraction of technologies and softwares that windows support.   A PC is far more capable and better bang for the buck. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 28, 2006, 10:20:47 AM
I was all set to use my wife's laptop (already three years old) throughout law school and now you guys got me all interested in buying a new one.....

I have checked out, as per jvan2619's suggestion the Gateway CX200. Pretty slcik machine but I wonder about Gateways in general. I have come across some pretty crappy Gateway desktops - Does anyone have experiences with their notebook line? How about warranty service?

I am almost tempted to go the IBM route, if only becuase I have had such positive experiences with their machines dating back to 1993. I know they are most expensive but the whole reason why I am buying new is to avoid the hassle of a breakdown during critical moments in my education.

Here is another question - are convertable tablets really that killer? I mean, I didn't see ANYONE using one during my visits. Any experienced users want to pipe up?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: what? on February 28, 2006, 10:25:56 AM
The myth that Mac is more stable than PC is not true.  In reality, a server on MS Windows can often run up to a year without needing restart. Macs tend to have less problem simply because it OS supports only a tiny fraction of technologies and softwares that windows support.   A PC is far more capable and better bang for the buck. 

Who are you trying to convince?  A personal preference can't be true or untrue.

I, just like several other people so far in this thread, just said that *I* want to get a Mac because *my own* experience with Windows machines has been horrible and *my* experience with Macs has been overwhelmingly positive.  I have owned three Windows machines and have had recurring problems with all three.  I can usually fix the problem myself, but I don't like taking the time out of my day to do it.  

And it's not like I need a bunch of "technologies" and "softwares" anyway.  I need Microsoft Office (which, ironically in my experience, runs better on my Mac than I have ever seen it run on a PC), Internet access, and the Apple-designed software that comes with OS X (iTunes, iPhoto, iChat, etc.).

Calm down, dude.

Oh, and as for the Thinkpad recommendation someone mentioned before, the 5 year old laptop I have that still works is a Thinkpad T series.  If I were to get another PC, I would only get an IBM/Lenovo one, meaning, it has been the least objectionable of the PCs I have owned.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: queencruella on February 28, 2006, 10:39:55 AM
I am just taking my old laptop to school with me, which will be a 3-year-old Thinkpad.  It's still working fine and the processor is the same speed as computers out now except it doesn't have Centrino so the battery dies faster and it gets really hot. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: what? on February 28, 2006, 10:49:06 AM
I also would worry about getting a new PC this year, because isn't Windows Vista due out this fall?

If that is true, and please correct me if I am wrong, but I would think one of two things would happen if you bought a new PC right before classes start: either it comes with Vista right when it comes out, and thus is likely to be full of bugs right off the bat (anyone remember Wndows 2000?); or, Vista will come out after you buy your PC, and eventually you will have to fork out the exorbidant amount of money Microsoft will charge you to upgrade, and your computer will not have been "desgined" to run with Vista so either it will slow down a lot or be full of bugs.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bsrlegal on February 28, 2006, 10:56:51 AM
As for whether Vista will be out by this fall or not, I can't respond.  I'd have a better shot at picking winning lottery numbers than predict when Microsoft releases software.

As for the need to upgrade to Vista, this question was posted on the accepted students site for Tulane.  Their IT department said that the law school would be unlikely to upgrade to Vista antime in the next year and probably two, due to the bug issues.  It stands to reason that other law schools will likely follow the same cautious path.

I wouldn't make a buying decision based on Vista release.  For me, a new laptop is needed this fall, so I'm buying regardless.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 28, 2006, 10:59:39 AM
I am just taking my old laptop to school with me, which will be a 3-year-old Thinkpad.  It's still working fine and the processor is the same speed as computers out now except it doesn't have Centrino so the battery dies faster and it gets really hot. 

My wife's laptop has pretty much all that these new ones have EXCEPT a centrino processor and Wifi (I already have bought an adapter). At 2.4 GHZ and 512MB ram it does almost everything except play HD video smoothly (sucks when you are trying to watch American Idol episodes). The 40 gig drive is barely full. I am just afraid of something happening and not having coverage.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on February 28, 2006, 11:08:04 AM
I also would worry about getting a new PC this year, because isn't Windows Vista due out this fall?

If that is true, and please correct me if I am wrong, but I would think one of two things would happen if you bought a new PC right before classes start: either it comes with Vista right when it comes out, and thus is likely to be full of bugs right off the bat (anyone remember Wndows 2000?); or, Vista will come out after you buy your PC, and eventually you will have to fork out the exorbidant amount of money Microsoft will charge you to upgrade, and your computer will not have been "desgined" to run with Vista so either it will slow down a lot or be full of bugs.

I wouldn't worry about getting the latest OS on my computer.  More likely then not, you won't need the new features and it just end up wasting resource.  The company I work for runs mission critical financial service applications on good old Windows 2000, and they are working fine, running up to a year without causing problems.  Personally, I think windows 2000 is the best operation system for non-gaming environments.  XP might have better gaming support, not sure about Vista.
I am not sure what you meant by 'designed to run with Vista'.  As long as the processor is 64-bit, it should run better with Vista than XP, which is 32-bit, at least theoratically.  Microsoft is pretty good with backwards compatibility. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: what? on February 28, 2006, 11:18:01 AM
I wouldn't worry about getting the latest OS on my computer.  More likely then not, you won't need the new features and it just end up wasting resource.  The company I work for runs mission critical financial service applications on good old Windows 2000, and they are working fine, running up to a year without causing problems.  Personally, I think windows 2000 is the best operation system for non-gaming environments.  XP might have better gaming support, not sure about Vista.
I am not sure what you meant by 'designed to run with Vista'.  As long as the processor is 64-bit, it should run better with Vista than XP, which is 32-bit, at least theoratically.  Microsoft is pretty good with backwards compatibility. 

Point taken.  By Windows 2000 above, I actually meant Windows ME.  I get them confused sometimes.  AS for the "designed" to run with Vista bit: a previous computer of mine had a sticker on it that said "Specifically Designed for Windows ME."  I had a ton of problems with ME and was told pretty much by everyone XP was more stable and that I should upgrade.  When I finally gave in last year, upgrading to XP caused even more problems.  Thus my suspicion.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on February 28, 2006, 11:18:18 AM
The myth that Mac is more stable than PC is not true.  In reality, a server on MS Windows can often run up to a year without needing restart. Macs tend to have less problem simply because it OS supports only a tiny fraction of technologies and softwares that windows support.   A PC is far more capable and better bang for the buck. 

Who are you trying to convince?  A personal preference can't be true or untrue.

I, just like several other people so far in this thread, just said that *I* want to get a Mac because *my own* experience with Windows machines has been horrible and *my* experience with Macs has been overwhelmingly positive.  I have owned three Windows machines and have had recurring problems with all three.  I can usually fix the problem myself, but I don't like taking the time out of my day to do it.  

And it's not like I need a bunch of "technologies" and "softwares" anyway.  I need Microsoft Office (which, ironically in my experience, runs better on my Mac than I have ever seen it run on a PC), Internet access, and the Apple-designed software that comes with OS X (iTunes, iPhoto, iChat, etc.).

Calm down, dude.

Please kid, chill off.  Did I make any comment about your ‘personal’ preference?  Did I mean for my previous post to be directed at you?  Do you think you are the person I was talking to on this board?  Do not make unwarranted assumption.  Law school will teach you that, if you have not already learned it in real life.
As for your ‘personal’ preference, or what software you will need on your Mac, who cares.  I was making the statement that I believe PC is more capable and better bang for the buck than a Mac.  Your personal needs do not change the credibility of my statement.  And frankly, if you think I am trying to convince you to not buy a Mac, let me tell you now:"I don't give a damn!"
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on February 28, 2006, 11:20:50 AM
I wouldn't worry about getting the latest OS on my computer.  More likely then not, you won't need the new features and it just end up wasting resource.  The company I work for runs mission critical financial service applications on good old Windows 2000, and they are working fine, running up to a year without causing problems.  Personally, I think windows 2000 is the best operation system for non-gaming environments.  XP might have better gaming support, not sure about Vista.
I am not sure what you meant by 'designed to run with Vista'.  As long as the processor is 64-bit, it should run better with Vista than XP, which is 32-bit, at least theoratically.  Microsoft is pretty good with backwards compatibility. 

Point taken.  By Windows 2000 above, I actually meant Windows ME.  I get them confused sometimes.  AS for the "designed" to run with Vista bit: a previous computer of mine had a sticker on it that said "Specifically Designed for Windows ME."  I had a ton of problems with ME and was told pretty much by everyone XP was more stable and that I should upgrade.  When I finally gave in last year, upgrading to XP caused even more problems.  Thus my suspicion.

I got your point.  Windows ME is a 16-bit OS, same stuff as windows 98.  They suck, don't get them.  Windows 2000 and Windows XP should be fine.  What you need to do is get a fresh install of windows xp on your pc and it shall run fine for years.  When you do an upgrade, sometimes the old problem in ME gets carried over. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pass36 on February 28, 2006, 11:23:46 AM
I read a review of the CX200 today that said Windows XP Tablet was a version of XP Pro.  I'd still love to hear feedback from any users.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on February 28, 2006, 11:25:44 AM
I read a review of the CX200 today that said Windows XP Tablet was a version of XP Pro.  I'd still love to hear feedback from any users.

That is really interesting.  I've had very good experiences with XP Pro.

Anyone else care to comment on Gateways and/or the CX200???
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: what? on February 28, 2006, 11:36:14 AM

I got your point.  Windows ME is a 16-bit OS, same stuff as windows 98.  They suck, don't get them.  Windows 2000 and Windows XP should be fine.  What you need to do is get a fresh install of windows xp on your pc and it shall run fine for years.  When you do an upgrade, sometimes the old problem in ME gets carried over. 

I did a fresh install and had problems.

And in reference to your post above, I admit I assumed your post was directed at me.  However, your comments to those in this thread who have stated a preference for Macs have been far from constructive.  My point was that those who have chimed in have all expressed personal preferences, and that no one has said "Get a Mac."  You, on the other hand, have been saying "Macs are crap" and "Why would anyone get a Mac" when no one really asked for your recommendation on the matter.  If you have a preference, and deep-down believe that PCs are superior machines, that's your opinion.  Don't think you have the right to try and force it on others because (as your LSN profile says) you are a Comp Engineering major.  I'm done with discussing this with you -- if you want to reply with something inflammatory, feel free.  I won't respond.

/end hijack
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: queencruella on February 28, 2006, 11:37:18 AM
I am just taking my old laptop to school with me, which will be a 3-year-old Thinkpad.  It's still working fine and the processor is the same speed as computers out now except it doesn't have Centrino so the battery dies faster and it gets really hot. 

My wife's laptop has pretty much all that these new ones have EXCEPT a centrino processor and Wifi (I already have bought an adapter). At 2.4 GHZ and 512MB ram it does almost everything except play HD video smoothly (sucks when you are trying to watch American Idol episodes). The 40 gig drive is barely full. I am just afraid of something happening and not having coverage.

Oingo

You can get the tech manual online and use it to try to troubleshoot yourself. The one for my Thinkpad lays out all the steps for you on how to open the case and get to each part.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 28, 2006, 01:22:38 PM
I just got off the phone with Gateway and my headache is "this big"

The use of high pressure sales tactics has turned me off from even dealing with these folks. I called to ask if one of their "retail partners" carried the CX200. Instead of just telling me "no" he went on for 10 mins about how much Bill Gates loves his new CX200. Then he tells me not to buy the Gateways at Best Buy and Circuit City becuase they are nothing more than rebadged eMachines.

The whole conversation was loaded with scripts. I might as well have been talking with a machine. He offered me the CX200, with a 4 year total replacement warranty for $1734 with Office and that OneNote software.

Even for that price, I will not bite. Off to the IBM/Leveno store......

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on February 28, 2006, 01:53:47 PM
Thanks for the info on the Gateway people Oingo :)  I hate sales people!  no offense to any of you out there.

Ok, just checked out another posters rec on the Thinkpad x41 Tablet.  Looks awesome!  here is the link in case you are interested...

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/xseries/tablet/

It is more pricey, but I've heard great things about these...whereas, I've heard mixed reviews on the Gateways. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on February 28, 2006, 01:56:54 PM
baff
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 28, 2006, 02:08:57 PM
Thanks for the info on the Gateway people Oingo :)  I hate sales people!  no offense to any of you out there.

Ok, just checked out another posters rec on the Thinkpad x41 Tablet.  Looks awesome!  here is the link in case you are interested...

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/xseries/tablet/

It is more pricey, but I've heard great things about these...whereas, I've heard mixed reviews on the Gateways. 

Ouch! $1979 for the model that I would have interest in. I have spent the better part of the morning lusting after it. Better to think of it as a long long LONG term investment. It is sweet though - I absolutely need something light and visible and it seems like this fits the bill.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: piggy-buttercup on March 01, 2006, 12:22:15 AM
I have a sony 10 inch TR3 that I bought 2 years ago.. Due to financial contraints, I am thinking about just using that for law school. I bought it cuz it was tiny and light to carry around, and the problem comes with that is I am gradually going blind with the tiny 10 inch screen.

Should I invest $1,000~1,500 and get something bigger?

Any thoughts appreciated.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 01, 2006, 12:31:05 AM
Irony: I bought one of the best computers on the market recently, thinking I needed a new one for law school (well, you know, and for gaming). Sadly, it shoots bright lights out in all directions and the fan sounds like a 747 taxiing on the runway. I can't carry it for more than a couple minutes, given its weight, let alone take it to class. So I'll be picking up a used IBM or something similar on eBay before I go.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sarmstrong806 on March 01, 2006, 02:33:32 AM
My preferences always change, but right now I like the Dell 630m. I'm not going to go smaller than a 14" screen. You have to know someone with a business account to get one of them btw.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: practiceboy02 on March 01, 2006, 08:06:21 AM
I'm probably gonna get a Mac, too.  Does anyone know if they plan on having 12 inch macbook pros by the fall?  I've had an ultra-portable with a 12 inch screen for the past 3 years and can't imagine getting anything bigger at this point

(yiplong, don't attack me, too!)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 01, 2006, 08:27:42 AM
I spent most of last night scouring the reviews on CNET trying to figure out if there was a laptop for me out there. I still kept coming back to that Leveno X41 tablet. The thing that bothers me though is that it doesn't have an optical drive. I know I won't use it much but still we are talking about $2000 here.....

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Juxtalaw on March 01, 2006, 08:37:58 AM
A coworker suggested a Dell600 to me- w/ Windows XP Professional edition. I'm not the most technologically advanced person (ie, when my computer screws up I usually have no clue how to fix it!). Does anyone know about this computer and its ease of use?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 01, 2006, 09:07:26 AM
I spent most of last night scouring the reviews on CNET trying to figure out if there was a laptop for me out there. I still kept coming back to that Leveno X41 tablet. The thing that bothers me though is that it doesn't have an optical drive. I know I won't use it much but still we are talking about $2000 here.....

Oingo

That's a great computer.  I am still not sure how useful the tablet would be, so I'm not leaning towards it.


The silly thing is I've never even seen one of these nor used one. That said, I'd be buying not to write my notes in class (with the light pen) but rather to have a more convenient way to look at them afterward. The thing is light and I can think of a bunch of ackward situations (on the bus and in other cramped quarters) where having the option to look at my notes on Onenote in tablet mode would afford me more comfort. It isn't that much of a premium over the regular, non-tablet X41.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sarmstrong806 on March 01, 2006, 03:22:08 PM
A coworker suggested a Dell600 to me- w/ Windows XP Professional edition. I'm not the most technologically advanced person (ie, when my computer screws up I usually have no clue how to fix it!). Does anyone know about this computer and its ease of use?

Thanks!

They have those at my work.  They feel flimsy (the case) and really don't inspire much.  You get a lot for your money, though.
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Depending on what you get Dell does use cheap components, parts wise, not ram or anything. The best thing to do is shell out the dough for the best warranty and the accidental damage plan. You can accidentally run it over with your car and they will give you a new one.

As far as ease of use, if you are talking about the size and keyboard they are great. Definitely get XP pro. I've got to see if I can swindle an XP pro cd off my UG so I don't have to pay for it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 01, 2006, 07:45:46 PM
Well I made a desicion........I bought the X41 tablet!!!

I have a big smoking hole in my wallet. Yet I still have a smile on my face :)

I bought it with a 3 year on-site warranty and the 8 cell battery. I also bought an extra 512MB of RAM. I decided against buying it from IBM/Leveno because of the 3+ week wait. I used a reseller. I also decided against buying any software at this point. I hope to find one of those student deals for Microsoft Office suite sometime in the future.

Good luck to all with your purchase(s). I should have my machine in the next few days.
I'll post my impressions later.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on March 01, 2006, 07:59:48 PM
Quote
Depending on what you get Dell does use cheap components, parts wise, not ram or anything. The best thing to do is shell out the dough for the best warranty and the accidental damage plan. You can accidentally run it over with your car and they will give you a new one.

As far as ease of use, if you are talking about the size and keyboard they are great. Definitely get XP pro. I've got to see if I can swindle an XP pro cd off my UG so I don't have to pay for it.

You do not need XP pro unless your school require your machine to handle domain or that you wish to host your own FTP, HTTP site (very unlikely that anyone would host a webserver on a laptop).  Definitely get XP home instead of Pro. and instead put the extra money towards extra RAM or battery if your laptop is the power hungry type. 

Actually, 2 years ago, I called up HP and asked if they can ship my laptop with no OS on it, they agreed to ship it 'clean' for $100 less.  I then installed a copy of windows xp home I already own on it.  Usually, the standard configuration from HP or Dell isn't that great, they fill your machine with useless craps. 

I got my HP laptop, but it sucks.  The touchpad button broke shortly after 1 year, keyboard noisy and hard to use.  I have used my friend's 12" Dell laptop, it seem to be of much higher quality. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geddon187 on March 01, 2006, 09:10:15 PM
I just bought the Dell 710m over the weekend. If you use coupon codes you can find online, you can't get a better deal.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pass36 on March 01, 2006, 10:18:16 PM
I just bought the Dell 710m over the weekend. If you use coupon codes you can find online, you can't get a better deal.

Links?  Prices?  Codes?

Help the brothers and sisters out!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geddon187 on March 01, 2006, 10:28:09 PM
I just bought the Dell 710m over the weekend. If you use coupon codes you can find online, you can't get a better deal.

Links?  Prices?  Codes?

Help the brothers and sisters out!

http://www.xpbargains.com/dell_coupons/

There is a pretty good 710m configuration on this one. If these coupons don't suit you, they have new ones all the time. Just keep an eye out.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: piggy-buttercup on March 01, 2006, 10:30:10 PM
nice~

thanks.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Goodfella Aaron on March 01, 2006, 10:34:56 PM
For what it's worth, I e-mailed the tech people at GULC and UVA when my laptop broke down again and I thought I might have to shell out another $500 to fix it (which I wasn't gonna do if I was gonna get a new one soon). I asked them what computers they recommended and they said you should always buy through the school if you want the best tech support because if your computer breaks down 2 days before finals instead of having to call the good folks over in India and waiting for DHL to pick it up and send it to Memphis you can just walk over to their office and, sobbing, tell them you need to make everything better again. Then they'll do just that.

So the computer-illiterate or idiots like me who always manage to do *&^% like spill beverages on their laptops should buy through the school. I didn't ask about price so I don't know how it compares in that regard, but you'd think if they buy computers in bulk they'd be priced competitively.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pass36 on March 01, 2006, 10:44:56 PM
That makes a lot of sense Aaron.

I was at the University of Washington today and stopped by the University Book Store Tech Center.  They are selling the T43 Thinkpad (1.8Ghz, 512MB RAM, 40 GB HD) for $1374.95.  The NYU Computer Store pricesheet has the same machine for $1425.00.  Both include three year onsite / thinkpad protection plus.  I am thinking another $100 to double the RAM and that is a pretty good machine for under $1600 with three years on site service.

I also notice that, despite the comment above about XP Pro, all the machines that both stores sell come with XP Pro.  Not sure if this has to do with networking or what.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: practiceboy02 on March 02, 2006, 07:14:34 AM
BTW, many of you will probably want to wait until this summer to buy new computers - most schools offer large discounts for their students through partnered vendors (HLS specifically mentions waiting to buy something so you can take advantage of the discount, which is apparently considerable)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on March 02, 2006, 07:31:37 AM
Pro is useful for many networking functions.  XP Home can only connect to five computers across a network at any given time.  Pro does not have that limitation. 

Again, this depends on if your school uses a domain controller.  XP Home cannot access a network using domain. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on March 02, 2006, 07:35:16 AM
Well I made a desicion........I bought the X41 tablet!!!

I have a big smoking hole in my wallet. Yet I still have a smile on my face :)

I bought it with a 3 year on-site warranty and the 8 cell battery. I also bought an extra 512MB of RAM. I decided against buying it from IBM/Leveno because of the 3+ week wait. I used a reseller. I also decided against buying any software at this point. I hope to find one of those student deals for Microsoft Office suite sometime in the future.

Good luck to all with your purchase(s). I should have my machine in the next few days.
I'll post my impressions later.

Oingo.

That is awesome Oingo!  Please let us know what you think of it.  I am so curious to find out :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: piggy-buttercup on March 02, 2006, 08:10:23 AM
I've had some bad experiences with Dell in the past, so they are out of the question for me. 

I've considered getting a Thinkpad, but the Lenovo site is so damn hard to order from (there are like 3 pages of add-ons and accessories that they try to stick you with, and I never know which of them are worth it). 

I really like the Sony Vaio FS line, but no one here seems to consider them a real option.  Any reason why?

i am using a tr3 sony vaio. i have been using it for two years and am satisfied with what it has to offer - document creating/web surfing - which i figure are the two most needed things @law school.

but anyway, ppl in general seem to not like sony vaios. wonder why too..

btw, i am totally not tech-savvy.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Goodfella Aaron on March 02, 2006, 08:20:05 AM
I've had some bad experiences with Dell in the past, so they are out of the question for me. 

I've considered getting a Thinkpad, but the Lenovo site is so damn hard to order from (there are like 3 pages of add-ons and accessories that they try to stick you with, and I never know which of them are worth it). 

I really like the Sony Vaio FS line, but no one here seems to consider them a real option.  Any reason why?

Maybe you should go to UMich then, UVA has all Dells. I promised myself I wouldn't get another Dell either but I'd be going through the school for service if I went through UVA so if your problem with them is customer service you shouldn't hesitate to get another Dell.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: upNdown on March 02, 2006, 08:43:38 AM
As with many other things, it is best to check with your specific school.  I just spoke with Suffolk.  They list XP pro as a requirement, but I just spoke with a couple of people in their technology department and they told me that I could run XP home as long as it had all the current security updates. 

As far as discounts go, if you're not a crazy bargain shopper, you're probably better off getting the discount deal through your school.  But if you like to shop around, you can probably find a better deal on your own, if you spend enough time looking.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 02, 2006, 09:48:31 AM
As with many other things, it is best to check with your specific school.  I just spoke with Suffolk.  They list XP pro as a requirement, but I just spoke with a couple of people in their technology department and they told me that I could run XP home as long as it had all the current security updates. 

As far as discounts go, if you're not a crazy bargain shopper, you're probably better off getting the discount deal through your school.  But if you like to shop around, you can probably find a better deal on your own, if you spend enough time looking.

The two schools that I am down to (desicion wise) both do not offer any hardware deals/discounts. I do wish however, that they did something for software. I need to get a deal on Microsoft Office Basic.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on March 02, 2006, 10:39:51 AM
The school I am leaning towards right now also requires XP Pro...I'm guessing though that the tablet edition qualifies as well.  They also only have discounts on Dells - up to 12% - however, I have had such bad experiences with Dell's that I swore I would never get another one.

Seriously, I have been asking every one I know about their satisfaction with their current laptops and they ALL have different opinions.  I can't find one that is a standout over another.  Guess it is down to personal preference huh?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sarmstrong806 on March 02, 2006, 11:45:03 AM
BTW, many of you will probably want to wait until this summer to buy new computers - most schools offer large discounts for their students through partnered vendors (HLS specifically mentions waiting to buy something so you can take advantage of the discount, which is apparently considerable)

I agree with this for the reason above, but also as a general rule I wait till the very last second to by a new computer because they come out with better stuff and the prices go down. I will probably be getting mine in early August.

I'm going to sell my Dell Inspiron 2200 laptop. I bought it as a cheapo one to take with me to Australia.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 02, 2006, 12:39:25 PM
BTW, many of you will probably want to wait until this summer to buy new computers - most schools offer large discounts for their students through partnered vendors (HLS specifically mentions waiting to buy something so you can take advantage of the discount, which is apparently considerable)

I agree with this for the reason above, but also as a general rule I wait till the very last second to by a new computer because they come out with better stuff and the prices go down. I will probably be getting mine in early August.

I'm going to sell my Dell Inspiron 2200 laptop. I bought it as a cheapo one to take with me to Australia.

I was thinking along the same lines (actually, I was going to use my wife's laptop up until a few eeks ago) but my priority now and this summer is to get as familiar to using it and the One note software as possible. We are downsizing for our big move and our desktop, which is dying, won't be along for the journey.

I also got a $150 rebate coupon, so that helped :)

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 02, 2006, 10:00:52 PM
OneNote is an addition (or stand alone) to Office that Microsoft released about two years ago.  The tabs and organization hierarchy keep notes easy to find.  Plus, you can search your notes.

They have a free trial:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/onenote/prodinfo/trial.mspx (http://www.microsoft.com/office/onenote/prodinfo/trial.mspx)

I still feel like a complete cheerleader for MS.  I'm really not, but OneNote is awesome.

Agreed. One Note absolute rocks for law school. In every class I have used it in, everyone one around me has eventually switched to it. Get it, use it, and you will love it. PS. Get from your schools bookstore a Lic, copy if they have it, mine was like $20 bucks.

I found my copy for $16. I also picked up Office 2003 Standard for $53. Saweet!!!

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: check01 on March 03, 2006, 01:16:47 AM
For those of you who are thinking of increasing the RAM in your notebooks -- which is a great idea because nothing gives you more performance bang for the buck than more RAM -- definitely check crucial.com before paying to have the manufacturer deliver with more RAM.

Switching RAM out is as simple as opening a panel on the bottom and sliding in a new chip. Given the lower prices at crucial.com, it is possible (and definite with Dell) that the best way to go is get the least amount of RAM, then open it up and throw away the chips that came with the machine.

Consider the Dell 710m, which is a great machine for the price and one I will probably buy. You can get 512MB in 2 dimms (which is 256 on each of two chips, as the computer has two slots for RAM) in the base model.  You can upgrade to 1GB on a single dimm for $200, which gives you one slot free for expansion. However, you can go to crucial and get a 1GB chip for $145 delivered, then throw away one of the Dell chips to make room for it. So instead of having 1GB plus free slot for $200 you have 1256MB for $145, and you can always free up that second slot by throwing away the second 256MB chip.

For the same machine, Dell will upgrade you to the 5 hour battery for $130 more than the small battery (which runs down very quickly). However, you can go on eBay and find that exact same battery for about $70 delivered, and then you have both -- you can use the small one as an emergency backup, and all for $60 less.

Some things, like wireless cards and hard drives, are best pre-installed at the maximum capacity you want. But RAM, extra and/or extended-life batteries, and productivity software can all be had online for far, far less than you'll pay to get it from the manufacturer. In those cases, get the computer stripped down to the cheapest option and upgrade.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on March 03, 2006, 06:36:24 AM
I downloaded the free trial of OneNote last night and LOVE IT!  I can't wait to get started with it.

Now the real question for me...will it be beneficial to get a Tablet?  I'm leaning towards "yes".  Oingo - I am 99% sold on the Thinkpad x41.  Can you let me know what you think of it once it arrives????

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on March 03, 2006, 08:28:49 AM
I know Lenovo Thinkpads are nice laptops, but they are very, very expensive.  For the money you spend on one Thinkpad, you can perhaps buy 2 Dell laptops with exactly the same specs.  I don't know if Thinkpad is worth the extra cash.  For a rich investment banker on Wall Street, maybe yes, for us poor law students, probably not. 
I already have a HP laptop, that one was a waste of money, too heavy to be portable, not enough power to replace my desktop, and HP makes absolutely the worst machines.  Don't buy them.  I am probably into buying a new 12" laptop, for mobility, so I don't need to haul a 7 lb. monster to lecture each day, but I don't want to spend a fortune on a laptop, that's just me though.   
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 03, 2006, 08:14:37 PM
I downloaded the free trial of OneNote last night and LOVE IT!  I can't wait to get started with it.

Now the real question for me...will it be beneficial to get a Tablet?  I'm leaning towards "yes".  Oingo - I am 99% sold on the Thinkpad x41.  Can you let me know what you think of it once it arrives????



I will :) I wrote a long winded response this morning when the forums were down. I should have my X41 saturday afternoon. I'll post my impressions then.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 04, 2006, 05:01:15 PM
All that came today was the extra memory I ordered - no computer. Strange - the company didn't mention anything about piecemealing orders.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 04, 2006, 05:08:29 PM
OneNote is great. I used it in undergrad and loved it. I've made my parents start using it.

I'm thinking for laptops I'll go with an IBM (lenovo) T series, probably. Something no more than 5 pounds, but with a decent sized keyboard and monitor.

I'm considering a PDA device for scheduling, but I figure that since I'll probably have my laptop w/me 24/7 I can just use Outlook for scheduling and maybe have a phone that syncs up with outlook.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: queencruella on March 04, 2006, 05:13:48 PM
Although Thinkpads are a bit pricy, they are very reliable and in my opinion worth the extra money because I'm not going to have to replace my laptop as soon as I would with another model.  
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: tobias on March 04, 2006, 07:19:53 PM
I'm considering replacing my dell with a thinkpad. There is some time left on the warranty, but I've had the techs to my house 6 times in the past year and I am fed up. It crashed a few weeks ago and they want me to take it apart and put a new motherboard in myself. Right now I'm using a spare toshiba I have lying around. I was a loyal dell customer for about 10 years, but my last two computers from them have had all kinds of problems and customer service in my view is becoming increasingly cumbersome to deal with.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on March 06, 2006, 07:02:24 AM
I was talking to my IT geek cousin this weekend...he mentioned that Thinkpads are no longer built by IBM...that they got bought out by a Chinese company.  Anyway, he said he was no longer sure of the quality because the new company was really just buying the brand.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: queencruella on March 06, 2006, 07:10:04 AM
I think the quality is the same and the service center is still in the U.S., so there really hasn't been any change in either area.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on March 06, 2006, 07:22:27 AM
I was talking to my IT geek cousin this weekend...he mentioned that Thinkpads are no longer built by IBM...that they got bought out by a Chinese company.  Anyway, he said he was no longer sure of the quality because the new company was really just buying the brand.

Thoughts?

Laptops, or computer parts in general are almost always manufactured by Chinese companies, regardless of brand. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: upNdown on March 06, 2006, 08:27:26 AM
I know Lenovo Thinkpads are nice laptops, but they are very, very expensive.  For the money you spend on one Thinkpad, you can perhaps buy 2 Dell laptops with exactly the same specs.  I don't know if Thinkpad is worth the extra cash.  For a rich investment banker on Wall Street, maybe yes, for us poor law students, probably not. 


That was my thinking.  If I had the money I would have gone with a thinkpad without hesitation.  But I don't.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dandlewood on March 06, 2006, 10:40:49 AM
I'm seeing a lot of love for small notebooks here. Anyone thinking of going large? I work with computer 24/7 and I can't deny that the smaller the screen, the more my eyes hurt.  I'm also a big guy (6'1" 235 lbs) so the weight isn't an issue.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: no on March 06, 2006, 10:46:15 AM
For those of you who are thinking of increasing the RAM in your notebooks -- which is a great idea because nothing gives you more performance bang for the buck than more RAM -- definitely check crucial.com before paying to have the manufacturer deliver with more RAM.

Switching RAM out is as simple as opening a panel on the bottom and sliding in a new chip. Given the lower prices at crucial.com, it is possible (and definite with Dell) that the best way to go is get the least amount of RAM, then open it up and throw away the chips that came with the machine.

Consider the Dell 710m, which is a great machine for the price and one I will probably buy. You can get 512MB in 2 dimms (which is 256 on each of two chips, as the computer has two slots for RAM) in the base model.  You can upgrade to 1GB on a single dimm for $200, which gives you one slot free for expansion. However, you can go to crucial and get a 1GB chip for $145 delivered, then throw away one of the Dell chips to make room for it. So instead of having 1GB plus free slot for $200 you have 1256MB for $145, and you can always free up that second slot by throwing away the second 256MB chip.
...

Does this in any way void a warranty or extended service agreement?
I remember desktops used to have a warranty sticker that would break if you opened the case, in effect voiding the warranty.  I don't think I've ever seen anything like this on a notebook, so I guess worst case I could keep the old memory and swap it before taking my notebook in for service eh?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: queencruella on March 06, 2006, 10:55:06 AM
RAM is usually installed via a user access panel that can be removed without voiding the warranty on lots of laptop computers. At least that's how it is on my computer. Almost everything else will have to be installed by removing the keyboard, which will void your warranty.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 06, 2006, 11:10:54 AM
I'm seeing a lot of love for small notebooks here. Anyone thinking of going large? I work with computer 24/7 and I can't deny that the smaller the screen, the more my eyes hurt.  I'm also a big guy (6'1" 235 lbs) so the weight isn't an issue.

I really thought hard about it. I have been in love with the 17 inch Powerbooks for awhile now (in fact, at 6.9 pounds they are pretty "light" for their size). I also assumed that I would want to go large 'cause of my crappy eyesight. What I found was that the screen construction and type mattered more to my peepers than size. Those IBM screens are NICE even if they are tiny by desktop standards.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: yiplong on March 06, 2006, 11:13:50 AM
I'm seeing a lot of love for small notebooks here. Anyone thinking of going large? I work with computer 24/7 and I can't deny that the smaller the screen, the more my eyes hurt.  I'm also a big guy (6'1" 235 lbs) so the weight isn't an issue.

I understand your point, but do you really want to haul a 7 lb. monster to and from class?  I know I am not physically fit enough to do that for long hours.  I already have a good desktop which I built 3 months ago, if I buy a laptop, I will buy the ultra lightweight ones for easy mobility.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sarmstrong806 on March 06, 2006, 11:18:30 AM
I want alot of mobility, but I'm afraid of the 12" screens. I think a 14' screen is a good compromise, you are still talking about around 5 pounds though.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 06, 2006, 11:26:20 AM
I want alot of mobility, but I'm afraid of the 12" screens. I think a 14' screen is a good compromise, you are still talking about around 5 pounds though.

It's not as bad as you think. Have you had a chance to use one?

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sarmstrong806 on March 06, 2006, 11:34:41 AM
I want alot of mobility, but I'm afraid of the 12" screens. I think a 14' screen is a good compromise, you are still talking about around 5 pounds though.

It's not as bad as you think. Have you had a chance to use one?

Oingo.

I've never used one in depth, and you are right, I should probably check it out more before making my decision. The light weight is really appealing.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dandlewood on March 06, 2006, 12:17:10 PM
I'm leaning towards a Sager NP5720-V.  I've heard they're pretty competitive vs. Alienware and their cases are a little bit less flashy (I'd feel wierd in class with a neon blue notebook). WUXGA 17 inch screen combined with the geforce GO 7800 = super clarity. Of course, it costs a pretty penny, but I think it'll be a good investment since more real estate = more flexibility. Weight is negligible, as I said earlier: I carry around a wireless keyboard and mouse with everything anyway.  The way I look at it is, it's just one more thing to keep me in shape. Like the walks to and from the law library.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dandlewood on March 06, 2006, 01:18:42 PM

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Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 06, 2006, 01:23:07 PM
I'm leaning towards a Sager NP5720-V.  I've heard they're pretty competitive vs. Alienware and their cases are a little bit less flashy (I'd feel wierd in class with a neon blue notebook). WUXGA 17 inch screen combined with the geforce GO 7800 = super clarity. Of course, it costs a pretty penny, but I think it'll be a good investment since more real estate = more flexibility. Weight is negligible, as I said earlier: I carry around a wireless keyboard and mouse with everything anyway.  The way I look at it is, it's just one more thing to keep me in shape. Like the walks to and from the law library.

And give you scoliosis.   ;)

LOL!!!!!

My Thinkpad X41 Tablet arrived today, at least according to FedEx. I'll have to post my impressions, including those related to weight in the next few days.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 06, 2006, 01:36:19 PM
I didn't buy the X4 base. This week I'm going to use our home network to get at my wife's DVD/CD-RW drive. I'm looking at gettng a sub-$100 external CD-RW drive in the near future. The X4 just wasn't worth it, price wise, for me. It's funny 'cause the sales dude at the Leveno 1-800 number pretty much told me what I had already figured out. I wonder if most people don't bother?

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: check01 on March 06, 2006, 01:37:53 PM
RAM is usually installed via a user access panel that can be removed without voiding the warranty on lots of laptop computers. At least that's how it is on my computer. Almost everything else will have to be installed by removing the keyboard, which will void your warranty.

This is right, I've never seen a laptop that doesn't have an easy-access panel for adding RAM. It's certainly easier than adding it to a desktop machine. It definitely won't void the warranty.

However, with regard to the extended batteries, I would definitely stick with the brand-name battery that matches your machine. Shouldn't be too hard to find on eBay no matter what kind of laptop you have. If you stick on an off-brand battery and it fries your machine, that may well give them reason to void the warranty.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zoli on March 06, 2006, 01:39:59 PM
hey mugatu, to hell with all this notebook stuff, I think i'm gonna go the old-fashioned route.  Construction paper, and crayons, the best part is that I won't have to pay for it, i'll just ask my nephew for some.  Also, if I lose my work or it's stolen, it won't be too hard to find it.  Come on guys, you have to start thinking out of the box.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: upNdown on March 06, 2006, 03:08:59 PM
I'm seeing a lot of love for small notebooks here. Anyone thinking of going large? I work with computer 24/7 and I can't deny that the smaller the screen, the more my eyes hurt.  I'm also a big guy (6'1" 235 lbs) so the weight isn't an issue.

I understand your point, but do you really want to haul a 7 lb. monster to and from class?  I know I am not physically fit enough to do that for long hours.  I already have a good desktop which I built 3 months ago, if I buy a laptop, I will buy the ultra lightweight ones for easy mobility.

Not only that, but how will it fit in the classroom.  Some of these schools have tables/desks that are fairly shallow.  Is you're big-scree laptop going to be hanging off the table and into your lap?  Might look kind of goofy too.  People might start calling you "Big 17" or "Widescreen."
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pass36 on March 06, 2006, 03:42:03 PM
I'm seeing a lot of love for small notebooks here. Anyone thinking of going large? I work with computer 24/7 and I can't deny that the smaller the screen, the more my eyes hurt.  I'm also a big guy (6'1" 235 lbs) so the weight isn't an issue.

I understand your point, but do you really want to haul a 7 lb. monster to and from class?  I know I am not physically fit enough to do that for long hours.  I already have a good desktop which I built 3 months ago, if I buy a laptop, I will buy the ultra lightweight ones for easy mobility.

Not only that, but how will it fit in the classroom.  Some of these schools have tables/desks that are fairly shallow.  Is you're big-scree laptop going to be hanging off the table and into your lap?  Might look kind of goofy too.  People might start calling you "Big 17" or "Widescreen."

Yeah.  :D  Or, because the fan is so loud, they'll start calling you "Leaf blower."

I've seen a couple of people raise the keyboard size issue.  Typing on some small notebooks is difficult to the point where it might be tempting to go back to the yellow pad and pen approach.  That is worth some size issues. 

At the same time, when it comes to exams, I am wondering why people don't just bring a USB keyboard and mouse to the exam with them for maximum efficiency?  OK, you probably get some weird looks if it seems like you are carrying a whole desktop around in your Mt. Everest sized backpack, but if it helps you type a better exam and saves time, why not?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on March 06, 2006, 03:57:53 PM
I'm looking at the Dell XPS M140.  The 14" widescreen seems a good compromise on size and the weight (5.5lbs.) is quite reasonable.  You can also upgrade to a 9-cell battery for 7 hours of battery life, which just boggles the mind. :o 

I've had an HP laptop in the past, but found that some of the preinstalled software from HP caused serious stability issues.  I'm hoping Dell will be better in that regard.  I've heard their tech support leaves much to be desired, but I'm used to doing my own troubleshooting, so that would be OK if the overall reliability was better.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: tobias on March 06, 2006, 05:52:37 PM
I'm looking at the Dell XPS M140.  The 14" widescreen seems a good compromise on size and the weight (5.5lbs.) is quite reasonable.  You can also upgrade to a 9-cell battery for 7 hours of battery life, which just boggles the mind. :o 

I've had an HP laptop in the past, but found that some of the preinstalled software from HP caused serious stability issues.  I'm hoping Dell will be better in that regard.  I've heard their tech support leaves much to be desired, but I'm used to doing my own troubleshooting, so that would be OK if the overall reliability was better.  Any thoughts?

I have found my dells to be decidedly unreliable in recent years but I guess it's possible I have just had bad luck?

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dandlewood on March 06, 2006, 06:45:02 PM
I'm seeing a lot of love for small notebooks here. Anyone thinking of going large? I work with computer 24/7 and I can't deny that the smaller the screen, the more my eyes hurt.  I'm also a big guy (6'1" 235 lbs) so the weight isn't an issue.

I understand your point, but do you really want to haul a 7 lb. monster to and from class?  I know I am not physically fit enough to do that for long hours.  I already have a good desktop which I built 3 months ago, if I buy a laptop, I will buy the ultra lightweight ones for easy mobility.

Not only that, but how will it fit in the classroom.  Some of these schools have tables/desks that are fairly shallow.  Is you're big-scree laptop going to be hanging off the table and into your lap?  Might look kind of goofy too.  People might start calling you "Big 17" or "Widescreen."

Yeah.  :D  Or, because the fan is so loud, they'll start calling you "Leaf blower."


Realistically, the size difference of a 14 or 15inch and a 17 inch isn't all that great, when it comes to desk space. plus, my note taking efficiency is MUCH greater with a real sized keyboard, so I won't mind any name calling. oh, and most 17 inchers don't make all that much fan noise. it's only those suped up one's with the desktop processors and the 40 minute battery life.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 06, 2006, 10:07:13 PM
Well I have been playing with my new X41 this evening. First Impression?

1) It's tiny. Small. Waaaaaay small. and light. Even with the eight cell battery
2) The screen is a beautiful thing. Very legible.
3) Fingerprint reader works well. Usually can bootup the machine with one swipe.

The machine is shipped with alot of taskbar items - so much that in the next week or so I need to trim things down a bit. It is slow on bootup - it probably takes 1-2 mins instead of the 30secs or so I am used to with my desktop. I'll post more tommorow night as I learn more.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: moonchigger on March 06, 2006, 11:02:15 PM
Well I have been playing with my new X41 this evening. First Impression?

1) It's tiny. Small. Waaaaaay small. and light. Even with the eight cell battery


So is it small in a good way or is it impossible to type?  They say it has a "full size keyboard" but is this true?  Also, how does the screen construction seem to be?  This is one of my concerns about a tablet cause I think my hand would be resting on it all the time.  And finally the one hinge, do you think this will hold up as well as the normal two metal hinges? 

Sorry for all of the questions but this is the same notebook I'm thinking of getting.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on March 06, 2006, 11:14:15 PM
Well, I took a look at the latest Consumer Reports repair ratings.  Dell doesn't come off looking very good, but then neither do any of the other major brands.  It seems like laptops are inherently unreliable.  Maybe I'll just pay for a three year warranty and save myself the worry.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: slacker on March 07, 2006, 01:33:48 AM
I'm using an X41 -- I like it. I wish it were mine. I have no trouble typing; then again, I have small hands. A buddy of mine has one; he's got larger hands and doesn't seem to have issues with typing.

My computer is a Dell 600m. No where near as sturdy. It needs to take a second trip back to Dell for a replacement of most of the guts. I don't want to deal with Dell, but I need to get the boatanchor fixed, soon.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 07, 2006, 09:56:14 AM
Well I have been playing with my new X41 this evening. First Impression?

1) It's tiny. Small. Waaaaaay small. and light. Even with the eight cell battery


So is it small in a good way or is it impossible to type?  They say it has a "full size keyboard" but is this true?  Also, how does the screen construction seem to be?  This is one of my concerns about a tablet cause I think my hand would be resting on it all the time.  And finally the one hinge, do you think this will hold up as well as the normal two metal hinges? 

Sorry for all of the questions but this is the same notebook I'm thinking of getting.

The machine is EXCEPTIONALLY sturdy. I am impressed with the construction. Nothing about it feels flimsy at all. Aside from a smaller backspace key and smallish arrow keys, the keyboard feels fine. In fact they are handy "back" and "forward" Internet explorer page keys just above the right and left arrow keys that have proven useful.

Let me just say how disappointed I would have been if I settled for the non-tablet X41. Once you convert to tablet mode, you wonder how you ever did without it. I actually prefer reading in the tablet mode. The screen becomes a better fit for Word, Internet Explorer, Windows Journal, OneNote and other programs.  The pen is the only "cheap feeling" part of the machine but it is light and easy to use. Once it gets to about a half inch away from the screen the pointer shows up. You can keep this distance and move the pointer around until you get precisely where you want. At that point double tap and you can select, touch the screen and drag and you can drag. It works sorta the same way as your pda, except for the fact that you can move the pointer, which is EXTREMLY helpful in bumpy situations (read: bus) where it is hard to control pen movement on screen.

I have used the notes and Windows journal program briefly to write and erase text. The whole process works smoothly. I have not converted any handwritten text into typewritten yet - I'll try that later this week.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Grunt on March 07, 2006, 10:12:05 PM
Oingo Boingo,

Thank you so much for your willingness to share your experiences with the X41.  I've also been looking at that exact model.  I'm so glad you brought up the "bus" issue.  I'll be doing a 3 1/2-hour "express" bus commute to and from law school, so I've been looking at the Tablet PC as a way to possibly increase my commuting productivity.

I'm very interested in any further comments you'll have on the X41.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 08, 2006, 07:22:27 AM
Vapid, I would stay away from Sony. They use all sorts of proprietary drivers (or at least used to) and don't have the best reputation as reliable machines. HP is pretty well liked, but I'd still take the T43 without a doubt. IBM makes very good, very reliable machines.

My opinions are based on time spent in a large, diverse tech forum and on cnet's review section.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on March 08, 2006, 08:33:32 AM
I am definitely going to get a T or X series Thinkpad. I just got IBM employee prices for a few of the models I was considering. They aren't bad at all.

If there is a chance that you know someone who knows someone who works for IBM, try to find them. All you need is the number to call and their employee ID. It is relaltively painless for them and perfectly within the rules to let friends get machines throught the plan.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 08, 2006, 08:58:27 AM
Ok, Oingo (or anyone else):

1. Assume that I'm almost completely computer illiterate (I use them for school work, internet, small applications [Party Poker, Yahoo Spades], and a little digitial photography).

2. I'd like something light, but I'm a big guy, so I'd rather have something with a nearly-full-sized keyboard and a 14-15" screen than something in the 2-4 pound range.

3. Every Dell I have ever owned has been a piece of crap (admittedly, they were all a year or two old when I bought them), so they are out of the question.

4. The computers that have most attracted me are: (pros;cons)

a) Sony Vaio FS series (big, but light and thin; feels a little less-than-sturdy);
b) HP dv1000t (powerful, sturdier, and cheap; unneccessary DVD buttons and remote are just taking up space, smaller screen than the Vaio);
c) Thinkpad Z60m (reliability, touchstick, reasonably cheap; can't see it in person, allegedly dim monitor)
d) Thinkpad T43 (reliability, touchstick; very expensive)

My questions:

1. Does anyone have any experience with any of these? Good/bad things to say? 
2. What is the difference between the Z60m and the T43?  Why is the one so much more expensive than the other?
3. If I was going to spend the money on the T43, would it be better to move up to the tablet X41?  What are the benefits of tablets for those of us who do little more than homework and web browsing?

I have a total of ZERO experience with all the machines you have mentioned. I avoided Sony machines because of the quaity of build concerns that I have read in many places (including CNET). When I saw the Vaio in person, the keyboard felt flimsy - nowhere near as tactile as the Thinkpads. The HP looks very cool but the thing I dislike about all the HP's you see at CompUSA & Best Buy et all is that they are very flashy and call attention to themselves (Think: Close Encounters of the Third Kind). As you mentioned, there are more buttons than I would know what do with. This bothers me with my wife's laptop (a three year old Chembook with a lot of fussy buttons) and I just didn't want to have to deal with that.

The Z60m and T43 are fine machines. I have seen the T43 for ~$1400 with some pretty basic configurations. You could do MUCH worse. Resist buying the machine with the most "features" for the money. It's a hard thing to do, especially when your spending close to $2000 on a laptop. The thing to realize is that even if they cost the same, machine A may be a better deal, long term, than machine B with a "stronger" feature set. Don't fall into the "since they are all made in China so they must be the same" fallacy. It ain't true.

As for the usefulness of the tablet, I have to say that I have stepped into the waters and I am converted! I do not know why more of these type of machines aren't being made or sold. I can't begin to tell you how much easier it is to "compute" on the bus and in other cramped quarters in tablet mode. I don't really type much on the bus - I mostly read. It is natural to navigate windows with the pen. The screen is real sharp and text appears crisp. I have bad eyesight but even for me it is easy to focus. The viewing angle(s) on the machine are very good. The pen pointer placement is accurate. I have not experienced any goofy lag with the machine when writing although I still have not tried to convert my writing into text (I haven't figured out how yet). The included Franklin Plan PLus software seems pretty nifty - that said, One Note and Office 2003 make this software seem unnecessary.

I did a comprehensive update of the bios and drivers last night using the Leveno update software. For those who are not computer savvy, the automatic installer works real real well. I have been used to installing a new bios by burning a CD or writing the files to a floppy & rebooting. The Thinkvantage thingy just installs & reboots automatically - I was impressed. Plus the boot time after the update was nearly cut in half (the X41 still takes 20 more secs than my wife's laptop).

My only pet peeve with the machine has to do with the wireless internet connections. I cannot get the X41 to connect with my home network at full speed. There is a known cross platform issue with the Intel 2200 pro G wireless internet card that makes connections flaky and causes low speed issues. Before I updated the driver I was seeing both problems. After updating the flakiness went away but the slowness remains. I'll put in a call to Leveno this weekend to tyr and figure things out.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on March 08, 2006, 09:25:42 AM
I am definitely going to get a T or X series Thinkpad. I just got IBM employee prices for a few of the models I was considering. They aren't bad at all.

If there is a chance that you know someone who knows someone who works for IBM, try to find them. All you need is the number to call and their employee ID. It is relaltively painless for them and perfectly within the rules to let friends get machines throught the plan.

What is the discount?  That is, how hard should I work at this?  I'm sure that I know someone at IBM within four degrees.

I picked a couple configurations from the tabook I was interested in. Tabook found here: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pcinstitute/psref/tabook.pdf

The one I think I like is a model number 2007-4CU: a 14.1" T60 with the SXGA+ display, the Core Duo T2400 512MB RAM, 60G HD, Bluetooth, finger print scanner, 64MB AIT Radeon Mobility, and more. The employee price was just over $1300.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: daktah on March 08, 2006, 09:33:26 AM
I am definitely going to get a T or X series Thinkpad. I just got IBM employee prices for a few of the models I was considering. They aren't bad at all.

If there is a chance that you know someone who knows someone who works for IBM, try to find them. All you need is the number to call and their employee ID. It is relaltively painless for them and perfectly within the rules to let friends get machines throught the plan.

What is the discount?  That is, how hard should I work at this?  I'm sure that I know someone at IBM within four degrees.
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I bought a T43p (2.0 GHz, 1GB RAM, 80 GB harddrive, Bluetooth, etc.) and saved over $700 off the list price.  It's definitely worth the trouble of asking your friends if anyone they know works for Lenovo/IBM.  It sounds like IBM employees still get discounts on the Thinkpads, but I'm not certain.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on March 08, 2006, 09:49:13 AM
I bought a T43p (2.0 GHz, 1GB RAM, 80 GB harddrive, Bluetooth, etc.) and saved over $700 off the list price.  It's definitely worth the trouble of asking your friends if anyone they know works for Lenovo/IBM.  It sounds like IBM employees still get discounts on the Thinkpads, but I'm not certain.

IBM employees still do. It was through an employee that I got my prices yesterday.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 08, 2006, 09:54:43 AM
I bought a T43p (2.0 GHz, 1GB RAM, 80 GB harddrive, Bluetooth, etc.) and saved over $700 off the list price.  It's definitely worth the trouble of asking your friends if anyone they know works for Lenovo/IBM.  It sounds like IBM employees still get discounts on the Thinkpads, but I'm not certain.

IBM employees still do. It was through an employee that I got my prices yesterday.

I'm jealous. Really jealous :) No such connection for me :(

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on March 08, 2006, 10:09:50 AM
Do you know if it can be ANYONE at IBM or just certain departments...I have some friends in their consulting group.

Thanks!  Great comments Oingo!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 08, 2006, 10:13:46 AM
Let me say it now if it hasn't been said. The weight of a laptop is a BIG deal. The difference between a 5 lb and an 8 lb laptop is VERY noticeable when you're carrying it around all day. You don't want to be that nerd w/a crooked back or a rolling suitcase do you? caveat emptor!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on March 08, 2006, 10:16:35 AM
The Stanford Alumni Association is offering Thinkpads for a reduced price: http://www.stanfordalumni.org/thinkpad/

Of couse, you need to be an SU alum (and prob a paid member of SAA) to qualify


It's prob worth checking with other alum associations as well.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on March 08, 2006, 11:15:02 AM
I have also read that with the Windows USB 2.0 bug fixed it will overall have better battery life than the previous mobile offerings from Intel.

However, I wouldn't necessarily worry about it. I'm sure office and browsing will work great on your Z60 for a long time.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 09, 2006, 09:46:40 AM
More X41 Tablet impressions.....

I'll get some of the frustrations/negatives out of the way first. This thing comes with way too much preloaded ware that bloats the operating system. You DO NOT get an Windows Tablet Edition installation CD with the machine so you must rely on the IBM supplied "Access IBM" software to do this task for you.

Fine. I start the software up and follow instructions. It turns out that you cannot use a network CD or DVD burner drive to do this (none of them show up in the IBM software) and considering the issues I am having with the wireless connection speed maybe this ISN'T a good idea anyway. I archived to the hard drive and later this week I thought to myself, I'll have Windows do it.

Not so fast. It turns out the archived file is 3.5 gigs!!!!. Doesn't windows XP usually come on one CD? In order to make the archive work right, I have to use the IBM software which says I need 7 CDs or 2 DVDs to make things work. Argh!!! I may end up PAYING IBM the $50 they want for a installation CD set. Criminal.

The second problem involves the technical support line. Someone remarked that they expected IBM service centers to be better becuase they were located in the US (in Atlanta) rather than in India. No offense to the fine folks of Georgia but the Indians are much nicer to talk to. The gentleman whom I spoke with last night was very rude to me. I spoke with him for a total of 5 mins but anger (perhaps from a different caller?) carried on to our conversation. He told me that because of my tone and the "tangent" I took the conversation to I provoked him into anger. I was concerned that they hadn't registered my Thinkplus On site warranty yet as I wanted to have a technician look at the wireless card issue. He actually told me that this was a problem that the "daytime folks" handled. Finally, after I asked several times, he transferred my call to a co-worker who ended up handling things.

I wasn't even really upset about the warranty issue. I just got the machine on Monday so I figured it would take some time for the warranty to be registered. I just am a bit shocked at the professionalism displayed during the call. I thought IBM was "classy."

As for the positives, despite my rant they are plenty. This is a nice machine, almost like a jewelpiece (a strong one at that). I have been carrying it to and from the office all week on the bus without feeling like I am in a triathlon. We have a large flight of stairs leading up to our building that would kill me carrying my wife's laptop. This is a piece of cake in comparison. I use a Targus backpack (which protects the laptop well).

When I was touring my school of choice, I noticed that some people were carrying around military style duffle bags (Hockey equipment bag size) filled with every book they owned plus their laptop. What are the guys on LSD doing for transport?

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dandlewood on March 09, 2006, 10:07:49 AM
Here's a little something for those of you SFF lovers.

http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/09/technology/microsoft_origami.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes (http://money.cnn.com/2006/03/09/technology/microsoft_origami.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 09, 2006, 10:39:38 AM
I was hoping all of my books would be on pdf.  Then I could just carry a pad of paper and notebook.  Maybe that plan is a little optimistic.  Can the x41 boot from USB CD drive?

Don't know yet. I'll try and borrow one in the next week or so and find out. The PDF plan is a neat idea - sometimes though, I like reading from a book so this *may* not work for me.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 09, 2006, 12:40:51 PM
I was hoping all of my books would be on pdf.  Then I could just carry a pad of paper and notebook.  Maybe that plan is a little optimistic.  Can the x41 boot from USB CD drive?

Don't know yet. I'll try and borrow one in the next week or so and find out. The PDF plan is a neat idea - sometimes though, I like reading from a book so this *may* not work for me.

Oingo.

Well, I figured I'd have the books at home.

K, now I get it :). Wouldn't mind doing the same thing myself.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 10, 2006, 12:26:32 PM
Update:

I have figured out that the speed issue that I have is most likely due to a router incompatibility with the wireless card of which I can do nothing about. I was going to replace the router with something that could do printer sharing and/or telephony (read: Vonage). It is a 2.5 year old Linksys wireless B unit. Perhaps I'll do something this summer.

The included Zinio reader is a neat program. I'm not really an avid magazine buyer but this type of application seems useful. I think they only offer magazines through their website. I could not see that they offer fiction/non-fiction books. Maybe there is another vendor out there (Amazon?). It would be also nice if we could purchase class texts in PDF format (probably pie in the sky but oh well).

I have done some tweaking, removed some programs and experienced a noticable gain in boot up time speed. My wife's laptop still boots up faster - it's just not as much faster as it used to be.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: law123 on March 10, 2006, 01:50:44 PM
I dont know much about computers....mine is a 5 year old Sony Vaio, will I probably need to get a new one for LS?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: shaz on March 10, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
how long would it take to make a .pdf of your casebook?  that seems like it would take a long time on a typical scanner/printer/copier combo.  is have never used a stand-alone scanner.  is that much faster? 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 10, 2006, 02:04:21 PM
I dont know much about computers....mine is a 5 year old Sony Vaio, will I probably need to get a new one for LS?

I was going to use my wife's three year old laptop until I spoke with my sister-in-law. She pretty much told me that the "ab"use that graduate/law school was going to take on the laptop would be enough to finish it off. She has been through many (10+) laptops in her career.

If your laptop was a year (maybe 2) old tops then I'd be less worried about purchasing another.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Grunt on March 10, 2006, 04:07:32 PM
how long would it take to make a .pdf of your casebook?  that seems like it would take a long time on a typical scanner/printer/copier combo.  is have never used a stand-alone scanner.  is that much faster? 

Are casebooks loose leaf?  I think you could go to Kinko's and get it scanned in.  I have no idea what casebooks are like.  I haven't gotten to that point yet.  ;)

I was hoping they would simply be provided.

You wouldn't have to scan the entire casebook. You'll get a syllabus for each course with the assignments listed by date.  You could scan your assigned pages weekly. Most casebooks are big ol' heavy hardbound volumes, though I've heard that some may actually have digital versions. (Anybody heard of this for sure?) If you have MS OneNote, you can snip out sections from the scanned pages to put in your own digital notes page. 

Or, you could cut the binding off your casebook and just carry around your assigned three-hole-punched pages in a real honest-to-goodness notebook.  I don't sell back books, so this non-digital option might work for someone like me.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Xmaize on March 14, 2006, 06:50:17 PM
Please help. Matthies, Oingo...or anyone who might know. I'm really at a loss as to what to do here. Currently I own a Toshiba Satellite Pro 4600. It works well for what I do (internet, iTunes, photos) but it is literally the heaviest thing EVER. The space bar gets stuck constantly and it gets hot. It was a hand me down from my dad, who works from home and just got an awesome new VAIO. I too had a VAIO all through college and loved it, but it is 6 yrs old, so I gave it to my boyfriend, he is a writer and honestly just needs a word processsor he can move around the apartment with. SO. I can't lug this Toshiba around school...I'm a fit girl, but I'd rather skip the back problems.This thing is at least 9lbs. Can you recomend a simple, yet nice, small laptop with a Pentium processor, wireless access, that is NOT a Dell...I think they are awful. I don't care for IBM much either, but could be persuaded. I'd kill for a VAIO, but they seem expensive when I already have a laptop for my home. I'd like to use OneNote....and I take it that that is NOT compatible with Macs? The iBook is nice and small, not too expensive. Thanks in advance for your help! :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Xmaize on March 14, 2006, 07:05:34 PM
Thanks. I'd definitly get another Toshiba.Not to mention many are coming WITH OneNote already. I don't see myself using the tablet function, but I think those laptops are the coooolest:)

I was told not to get a Centrino processor by a friend who considers himself very tech savy...but I have no reason other than him not to want one. He said it would be way to slow?

Do you (or anyone else) think that you'll use OneNote or just go by hand? I type very quickly...so I'd prefer it..but I'm going to try to read/brief/study note take on paper. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 14, 2006, 07:49:38 PM
Anyone have an idea of when the successor to the X41 might be coming out?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 14, 2006, 08:50:14 PM
Anyone have an idea of when the successor to the X41 might be coming out?

Word on the street...6-9 months if you're lucky.  Word from people in forums that know IBM/Lenovo engineers is end of year 2006.  When I was chatting with an Lenovo sales rep on the phone he said they've been told 6-9 months.  From what I hear, this estimate fits with there release schedule for minor redesigns (since the X60 isn't a complete redesign from the X40 series).

Yeah, I know your pain.  If the X61 was coming out before August I would buy it hands down but as it stands I'll be taking the ugly girl to prom, so to speak.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 14, 2006, 08:54:04 PM
They've worked over the z,t, and x40, so I'm thinking that it is soon.  At least by this summer they should have the new one.  I would be surprised if they wait that long.

I think the only issue with the tablet is that it's a derivative of the X series so they can't start building out the tablet until they've the X60 hammered out, which creates a bit of a lag.  It's a little odd because I thought I read that the guts of the X60 is based on the X41...but then again I'm no engineer.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on March 14, 2006, 08:55:14 PM
You have to remeber that Centrino is not a processor.  Its intel's approved branding if a laptop meets certain requirements, ie., has a Pentium-M (PM) processor and intel pro wireless adaptor and a certain chipset.  That said, what your really comparing is a pentium-M to a possible Pentium-4 M (P4M).  Pentium-4M are really meant for desktop replacement laptops that are bigger and have "better" ventilation than the smaller lightweight laptops.   PM's are supposed to operate at lower voltages thereby reducing heat and extending battery life.  PM is supposed to perform about 1.5 times faster than the regular Pentium 4.  So if you are comparing a 1.5GHz PM to a 1.5 GHz P4M, the former is supposed to be faster than the latter.  A 1.5GHz PM should be comparable to a 2.3GHz P4M.

Either way, I'd go for the Pentium-M (Centrino branded) laptops.  Those offer the best balance of speed, battery power and weight.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 14, 2006, 09:19:16 PM
Thanks. I'd definitly get another Toshiba.Not to mention many are coming WITH OneNote already. I don't see myself using the tablet function, but I think those laptops are the coooolest:)

I was told not to get a Centrino processor by a friend who considers himself very tech savy...but I have no reason other than him not to want one. He said it would be way to slow?

Do you (or anyone else) think that you'll use OneNote or just go by hand? I type very quickly...so I'd prefer it..but I'm going to try to read/brief/study note take on paper. Thanks again.

Xmaize,

I bought the X41 because of its extra functionality with Onenote. I anticipate writing over typing as I type much faster than I write. The recognition software is OK for small sentances but I imagine it would be a pain for long paragraphs (correcting the software would take time of which I would not have in class).

The thing that is neat about the tablet mode is that you can much more naturally surf through what you have recorded earlier. Small corrections, cut and pasting text - all these things can be done with the digital pen. I can sorta "curl up" with the laptop on a chair and save my upper back. You really can operate the machine with just the pen alone. I can't begin to tell you just how killer this feature is.

Before you make a purchase research, heck even try one of the Toshiba or Leveno(IBM) notebooks. If you need an "Entertainment powerhouse" type of machine then hey, it isn't for you. If you want something that does the basics, really really well then you should definently give this genre a try.

My two cents,

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: muffin on March 14, 2006, 10:10:05 PM
This is kind of off topic, but the discussion of Windows vs. Mac a while back on the thread made me think of it.  Does anyone know what the prospects of being able to use GNU/Linux at law school are?  Has anyone done it?  Do any of the law schools outright support using it?  I'd *really* prefer not to have to used a closed source operating system, to the point it would influence my decision about where to go.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pass36 on March 14, 2006, 11:58:16 PM
One Note Question - Somebody told me that you can record lectures on One Note and time link your notes to the recording?  T/F?  That sounds pretty cool.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 15, 2006, 02:25:32 AM
Before you go out and buy One Note or spend any additional money on it...check with the school you attend - some of them are giving it away for free.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 15, 2006, 10:30:30 AM
I've searched all over the internet and I can't find an answer, so I'm back here. 

I've decide that I'm going with the thinkpads.  I had one before my crappy Dell and I loved it.  They are sturdy, well-designed, and I don't think I can live without my eraser-head touchstick.  I really like the Z60t, but it doesn't have a Core Duo option yet.  The T-Series has a Core Duo option, but, as a line, they are more expensive, have some features I don't need that seem mainly designed for larger companies, and don't offer a widescreen.  I've heard that the Z60s are capable of recieving a Core Duo proccessor, and the internet only says that one should be out in "early 2006."  One messageboard said May, but God knows where they got their info.  Given that I expect a rush of oreders if/when Lenovo adds the Core Duo to the Z60, waiting until after May might prevent the laptop from even getting to me by the time class starts (some people who ordered the regular Z60t at Christmas waitied two months or more). 

1. Does anyone know when Lenovo is supposed to release a Core Duo Z60?

2. If they don't release one by May, should I suck it up and sacrifice the widescreen for a Core Duo proccessor, or just get the fastest Pentium M that the Z60 offers and pray that my 2,000 investment doesn't become instantly obsolete?

(As stated before, I will use this almost exclusively for office/school stuff.  It will be my primary computer, but I don't play games, watch DVDs, burn CDs, or do any type of programming.  I mess around in Photoshop occaisionally, but that's easily the biggest and most memory-consuming program I use.  To give you some idea of how little power I need, my home computer (on which I am typing) is a 333 MHz PIII Desktop, with 192 MB Ram and a whopping 8 GB hard drive.  It has been my home computer since 1998.  I'd like to have a laptop that lasts just as long.)

Wait.  Wait until May and reassess.  Buy by the end of June, at the latest.  If the Z series Duo comes out the supply lines probably won't get tangled like some early Duo offerings (but Lenovo seems to be doing well with its Duo roll out compared to Sony, Toshiba, etc.).  You could call and check with a Lenovo sales rep to find out about potential release timeframe.  You're computer will be obsolete within 6 months, no matter what you do...there's always something better on the horizon.  If you go with the Pentium Ms you know you're getting a deal (and they do beat the Duo in a couple of processor-intensive tasks but the Duos win most other tasks hands down).  Whatever you do, call Lenovo and ask for the 5% student discount.  Check with the school you attend about laptop deals they or the mother-University might have arranged.  Frankly, if you're happy with a 333 MHz PIII you're going to be happy with a top of the line Pentium M...it doesn't sound like you need the Duo's big guns.

I think you'll find most laptops won't make it 8 years if 3 of the years are spent being carried everywhere.  The Thinkpad is your best bet for that kind of longevity but it isn't assured.  Get a good warranty with accident coverage if you want to be absolutely sure it lasts through law school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 15, 2006, 04:33:24 PM
Some good news (sort of). My mom works for the Red Cross and they are doing some pretty broad tablet testing there to see if they want to pick up on the technology. Looks like I'll be trying a tablet soon enough.

They couldn't have timed the next generation X series any worse, imo. I want one now, dammit. Of course, I'm sure the current processor will be more than ample for ls needs. What can I say, I'm a gadget junkie.



Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jashdey on March 15, 2006, 04:44:55 PM
I'm going to be getting a T series Thinkpad.  I currently have a Dell D600 which has been having issues and won't make it the next 3 years.  I'm a little bummed in that I didn't buy a Thinkpad at the time I bought the Dell, but I was trying to be frugal (ha).

I have a friend who is quite familiar with the Thinkpads and he recommended either the T or X series - he said the Z series are significantly bigger than the other ones and is really meant as a desktop replacement versus something to haul around every day.  He also said to ignore the R series completely as it was quite a bit thicker and wasn't as good a machine overall.

Although I like the thought of a light and small machine, the X series is *so* much more expensive and I'm also worried about having a smaller keyboard.  I can type fine on my current laptop (14"), but it seems it'd be rather cramped in such a smaller footprint.

I likely won't be placing an order until May, so we'll see what's available then.  I didn't know they offered a 5% student discount - what sort of proof do you have to provide to them?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 15, 2006, 05:01:48 PM
I likely won't be placing an order until May, so we'll see what's available then.  I didn't know they offered a 5% student discount - what sort of proof do you have to provide to them?

I'm not sure what kind of documentation they require...I was just chatting with the rep and mentioned I was getting it for law school in the fall and he asked where I was looking at going and he offered me the discount.  I'm sure if you ask they'll tell you what you need to supply, but I doubt it's too onerous.  The nice thing was that the discount also applied to accesories (like an extra battery) and the warranty.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sharsky on March 15, 2006, 05:50:49 PM
I've had a Dell (Inspiron 600M, it's discontinued now) for close to 3 years now.
I spent a lot at the time for it... but it's still going strong..  Pentium M, Centrino Technology, 512MB...
My screen has issues however.. I'm thinking of getting the IBM/Lenovo Z60M - something more durable for law school.

As for Dell's service.  I don't have many complaints, but be prepared for a long wait in order to actually talk to someone!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 17, 2006, 10:59:07 PM
Update on my Thinkpad X41 tablet experience....

I love this thing. I have spent an unusual amount of time using this past week. My two new favorite programs are Windows Journal and Sticky Notes. I typically use 1 full notepad a month, filling it with meeting notes, reminders and lists. I write all that stuff in Windows Journal now. It keeps track of the dates. I can set reminders by written points, I can insert space between points to write in new information. What is "neater" is that I can import the meeting agenda from Word, scribble all over it in Windows Journal and save the whole mess as that days notes. This has been killer for me because it has greatly reduced clutter on my desk. I haven't even begun to explore OneNote beyond some initial scribbling. It does feature pages that look similar to Windows Journal pages (a blank sheet of fullscap) but with more official looking organization. I am intrigued by the idea of writing in a Journal page and then subsequently converting the page to text (allows for word or topic based searching in Onenote). The issue with this is that it requires VERY neat handwriting something which I don't have.It may just be easier to type.

Handwritng recognition works well if you use lower case letters. I use the pen for short sentances. It is also acceptable to use when surfing the internet, even for writing in web addresses. The Tablet Input Panel works pretty seemlessly in this regard. You probably should use the keyboard for anything longer than a paragraph.

More to come this weekend....

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 18, 2006, 02:12:34 PM
Mugatu,

Cheaper prices for the X41 tablet and other Leveno models have arrived. You can get the basic model 1869 now for $1599, which is easier to swallow. I paid only slightly less. Hopefully someone at IBM can hook you up so you can get a smokin' deal.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 18, 2006, 04:08:37 PM
Just to clarify, the wireless card is internal, right? I was at Starbucks yesterday and saw two women using X41s and they both had some sort of wireless cards plugged in.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mcleod13 on March 18, 2006, 06:11:01 PM
One Note Question - Somebody told me that you can record lectures on One Note and time link your notes to the recording?  T/F?  That sounds pretty cool.

I am new to technology kind of, how would this be done?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: The Spanish Teacher on March 18, 2006, 07:13:31 PM
How much is the IBM employee discount? 

Also, is the T60 available yet? If not, does anyone know when it will be available? If it is available, how much longer will the T43 be available?  And does the T60 have that many upgrades that make it worth waiting for? I should add that I would only be using it for pretty basic stuff - Word, internet, music, etc.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 18, 2006, 07:44:08 PM
How much is the IBM employee discount? 

Also, is the T60 available yet? If not, does anyone know when it will be available? If it is available, how much longer will the T43 be available?  And does the T60 have that many upgrades that make it worth waiting for? I should add that I would only be using it for pretty basic stuff - Word, internet, music, etc.

While picking up a new printer cartridge today I walked by a T43 on sale for $1199. It should more than suffice if Word, Internet and music are all your needs.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 18, 2006, 08:00:01 PM
thinkpads def go the limit, im still usung a 300E from 2001, which was given to me used after completing an internship. Who knows when it was actually purchased and first used. it can be slow as hell with a pentium II processor, but does the job....im def going to get a T series for school
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Steve.jd on March 18, 2006, 09:32:29 PM
Does the T-series lack of widescreen bother anyone else?  Since no one I know of sells the Thinkpads in retail, I can't go take a look at them, and I'm a little wierded out by the fact that almost every other computer on the market is in widescreen, except the T-series.

I've been using a Dell Inspiron 8200 since I (mistakenly) bought the hunk of junk before freshmen year...the POS weighs about 12-13 pounds, and cost about 2600 when I bought it...it also runs slow as hell, and has a battery life of all of 40 mins...at this point anything is a major improvement...and it doesn't have WS!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 18, 2006, 09:44:28 PM
Does the T-series lack of widescreen bother anyone else?  Since no one I know of sells the Thinkpads in retail, I can't go take a look at them, and I'm a little wierded out by the fact that almost every other computer on the market is in widescreen, except the T-series.

office depot has these on display (At least the T43 model). As a non-widescreen user I can't really comment on whether this is "Killer" or not - if you do need widescreen then look at the z series.  Personally, the widescreen real estate, although nice - wasn't essential FOR ME.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on March 20, 2006, 07:09:39 AM
I haven't ever been very enamored with the widescreen.  I mean, technically that tries to enable two documents at once, but what, like two five inch documents?  You can't really work with that.  If we were talking about a 30" widescreen display, then there would be a case.  Also, I'm not going to watching moveies much, or, if I am, I'll take the hit.

My feelings exactly. The only benefit that I would see for a widescreen is a better display for watching movies while traveling.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on March 20, 2006, 07:46:36 AM
Does the T-series lack of widescreen bother anyone else?  Since no one I know of sells the Thinkpads in retail, I can't go take a look at them, and I'm a little wierded out by the fact that almost every other computer on the market is in widescreen, except the T-series.

I've been using a Dell Inspiron 8200 since I (mistakenly) bought the hunk of junk before freshmen year...the POS weighs about 12-13 pounds, and cost about 2600 when I bought it...it also runs slow as hell, and has a battery life of all of 40 mins...at this point anything is a major improvement...and it doesn't have WS!

that is esACTly what i have, and i fracking hate this crap.  dell might single-handedly (single-keyboardedly?) switch me over to mac.  if only i didn't have to worry about examsoft.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 20, 2006, 03:50:16 PM
BUMP

Has anyone else made a purchase? There seemed to be a lot of sale activity this past St Patrick's day weekend. I'd be curious to hear from others considering choices different from what has been already mentioned in this thread.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 20, 2006, 04:28:22 PM
I heard that the Toshiba tablet was superb from someone who uses his quite extensively. They do have more powerful processors available, and seem to be a pretty good value. The X41, however,  has a few editor's picks and things going for it. Just thought I'd throw the Toshiba name out there to see what others think. My friend had one years ago for work, and he complained of it being too hot to use as a true laptop, but I'm sure they've addressed that since then, especially since I think some guy sued them for broiled testicles or something.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flydog on March 20, 2006, 04:34:22 PM
I have an HP DV4000 but I just bought a new Dell 710m for law school because the HP is too big and dies quick. The Dell weighs 4 lbs and lasts 5+ hours compared to 6 lbs and 3 hrs for the HP. My advice is get the lightest computer with the longest battery time you can find. You will not need a huge screen for class and all notebooks can be plugged into external monitors and keyboards at home.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 20, 2006, 04:51:14 PM


As far as tablets go, the x41 is by far the lightest.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but most other tablets tend to clock up towards 5 lbs, instead of shy of 4.  What's more impressive is how big of a difference 1 lb makes after lugging something around all day.

Good point. I hadn't considered the weight difference, which is substantial, I agree, unless there is also a size difference, which I don't think there is.

Are you all opting for the internal CD/DVD player for the X41 or the external? I'm thinking external, since it'll reduce weight and be one less thing to destroy.

Also, I'm wondering if IBMs hard-drive protection features would still work if one were to swap out a 7200 rpm drive for the drive that comes with it.

And finally, what are you guys doing for data back-up? External HD, USB, CD-RW, gmail account? I know there are a number of ways to back-up stuff safely, but I'm sure one of you has a very clever idea that hadn't occurred to me yet.

PS for nerds only. I hope that wherever I attend podcasts the lectures. I know Duke is doing this pretty extensively now.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 20, 2006, 05:24:54 PM
Are you all opting for the internal CD/DVD player for the X41 or the external? I'm thinking external, since it'll reduce weight and be one less thing to destroy.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong: you can't get an internal optical drive for the X41.  I believe you can buy a dock that includes an optical drive or you could just buy an external USB optical drive.  That's one of the reasons it can be so light.


Also, I'm wondering if IBMs hard-drive protection features would still work if one were to swap out a 7200 rpm drive for the drive that comes with it.

1. hard-drive protection features are becoming more common on higher-end, business laptops.  I know recent Toshibas have it and I'm sure other manufacturers are incorporating the techbology.  I think the technology will work with any drive, but I'm not 100% sure.

2. If you're looking at the X41 or the X60 series you're not going to be able to swap the original HD for a 7200 RPM drive.  Those machines use a 1.8" harddrive whereas the 7200RPM drives for laptops are 2.5" drives.  The story may be different for the T series...


And finally, what are you guys doing for data back-up? External HD, USB, CD-RW, gmail account? I know there are a number of ways to back-up stuff safely, but I'm sure one of you has a very clever idea that hadn't occurred to me yet.

External HD for drive imaging, DVDs for longer term backups, and probably the school's network for day-to-day file backup.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 05:42:35 PM
can anyone tell me why an X series would be better for school than the T??
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 05:45:14 PM
nothing else that makes it better? i did notice that the T series starts at 4 pounds which could be a bia
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 05:52:10 PM
what about the thinkpad tablets, r they worth it?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 20, 2006, 05:53:22 PM


As far as tablets go, the x41 is by far the lightest.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but most other tablets tend to clock up towards 5 lbs, instead of shy of 4.  What's more impressive is how big of a difference 1 lb makes after lugging something around all day.

Good point. I hadn't considered the weight difference, which is substantial, I agree, unless there is also a size difference, which I don't think there is.

Are you all opting for the internal CD/DVD player for the X41 or the external? I'm thinking external, since it'll reduce weight and be one less thing to destroy.

Also, I'm wondering if IBMs hard-drive protection features would still work if one were to swap out a 7200 rpm drive for the drive that comes with it.

And finally, what are you guys doing for data back-up? External HD, USB, CD-RW, gmail account? I know there are a number of ways to back-up stuff safely, but I'm sure one of you has a very clever idea that hadn't occurred to me yet.

PS for nerds only. I hope that wherever I attend podcasts the lectures. I know Duke is doing this pretty extensively now.



I'll be using the schools network too for day to day backup of critical files (200MB alloted). I will do periodic system imaging using the IBM restore feature and my external DVD drive.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 05:59:18 PM
dave thinkpads are like a volvo, really nice, but not too pretentious and fancy pants and last forever.....

with that anyone going to invest in a cock and screen/keyboard for at home use?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 20, 2006, 06:08:19 PM
A lot of this thread and another thread Oingo started talks about the X41 (it's the tablet.)  I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the tablet, but I'm still thinking as I won't need to make up my mind until July. 

The 4lb T has the small battery which is no good, so really it starts at 4.5 (for any decent battery life.) 

I have a nice desktop computer so I'm not worried about a docking station at all.

And lex, you might want to review your last post.  There's a small edit you may wish to make.   ;)

LOL!!!! (trying "hard" to contain myself)

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 06:12:22 PM
i gues we can see where my minds at and what im def not getting, such a lady with major sub csc issues, good looking mu, but i think im going to leave it for shits and giggles.....

it seems like you know a bit about laptops and this new tablet technology, new to me at least....it is for taking notes and stuff like that with a piece of paper and pen?? i know i asked before, but is this really necessary, and is it worth investing in seeing that its still "new"

And lex, you might want to review your last post.  There's a small edit you may wish to make.   ;)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 20, 2006, 06:15:38 PM
As a repair technician, I just want to say:

DON'T get a Sony.
DON'T get a Gateway.

That is all.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 06:23:27 PM
thanks for the breakdown mu, i think i may go for it seems very handing
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 20, 2006, 06:27:31 PM
I have a Gateway laptop that I got in 2000.  It still runs.  I haven't replaced anything on it.

1. Nice avatar  ;)
2. You're lucky nothing broke, because if it did, Gateway tech support likely wouldn't have been able to fix even a minor problem except by requiring you to send in your whole laptop for a few weeks. And if it was a software issue you were having, they'd make you reinstall the OS that came with your computer (whether that was Win ME, or 2000, or whatever), wiping out your upgrade to XP/2003, before they would proceed down the tech support flowchart.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 06:32:33 PM
one more question....what is the "think express program"
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 4DClaw on March 20, 2006, 06:35:06 PM
Anyone use the Vaio TX for school? I'm considering it. It's a bit more expensive than I was hoping for, but it seems perfect. Very fast, built-in dvd rw, nice keyboard, and, most importantly, under 3 lbs.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jobrown7 on March 20, 2006, 06:52:29 PM
I purchased the Gateway tablet for a few months ago specifically for law school. My background is in IT (software)...I am not a big IT hardware geek but I am competent. Here are my feelings on it:

* The battery life is amazing. Better by a mile than the 3 different IBM laptops that I have used over the last six years.
* The performance is OKAY. My biggest complaint is the boot time. I may bump up the RAM to 1 or 2GB. It is very cheap.
* I prefer a laptop that is a bit smaller and lighter.
* The text recognition is AMAZING. I just can not get over how well it works. But I suppose that is a compliment to Microsoft.
* Only one PC expansion slot. I would prefer two.

I know everyone here (and maybe others as well) prefer the IBM. But I can speak from personal experience as say that in six years of using IBM's full time I had nothing but problems. I had FOUR hard-drives die, a motherboard, and several video cards die. Now I know, everyone will think that I abused the laptop. Not true. I left it docked 99% of the time (and I did not travel). MANY others at work had similar problems. Having said all of that, I do think their new Tablets are sweet looking.

As a final note, I purchased my laptop through Best Buy. I purchased their extended warranty (I can't remember exactly but ~$150) because their repair policies are very good. I have used it several times for digital cameras and the like and have been very impressed. Generally if it is a major problem they will give you a new "camera/laptop/whatever" right on the spot. If they no longer have the model that you purchased they give you a store credit for the amount of the purchse.

Wow that was long.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 20, 2006, 08:16:58 PM
Anyone use the Vaio TX for school? I'm considering it. It's a bit more expensive than I was hoping for, but it seems perfect. Very fast, built-in dvd rw, nice keyboard, and, most importantly, under 3 lbs.

I had a friend that had a Sony once.  The screws in the bottom started falling out.

They may have improved their quality of build, but I've always thought that extra four or five hundred went towards the looks, and I'm ok with not spending that money.

DON'T BUY SONY!!!!!

Sony has nice LCD screens. But as mugatu noted, they are so flimsy. A lot of the design features make no sense, e.g. heat sink GLUED to the processor, blocking the processor screws once the heat sink is attached; often inaccessible hard drive locked into the middle of the box, surrounded by components, so you can't extract the drive without takinga apart the whole computer). If it breaks, your school's hardware/IT people probably won't be able to fix it because the design is so field-repair-hostile (second only to Apple), and you'll have to send your laptop to Sony.

Now that i think of it, I have also seen a few gateways with the entrapped hard drive problem, but I have never seen it on a Dell or IBM--those HDs are easy to slide out from the side so you can quickly copy off important files even if the computer isn't booting up.

btw. knowing sony, the most likely reason that the model you're looking at weighs only 3 lbs. is because so many of its components are made of plastic rather than metal. it's just going to break.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 20, 2006, 08:34:14 PM
can anyone tell me why an X series would be better for school than the T??

You should be able to get much better battery life out of the X than the T - that could be useful.  The X also has the low-voltage duo processor as an option (which I don't think the T has).  The X is designed to be more mobile for longer.  I have a friend that got the T42 for business school and he says he loves it but he wishes it wasn't so heavy.  Weight is a big deal.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: M DOT on March 20, 2006, 08:50:39 PM
thank you typhoon

can anyone tell me why an X series would be better for school than the T??

You should be able to get much better battery life out of the X than the T - that could be useful.  The X also has the low-voltage duo processor as an option (which I don't think the T has).  The X is designed to be more mobile for longer.  I have a friend that got the T42 for business school and he says he loves it but he wishes it wasn't so heavy.  Weight is a big deal.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 20, 2006, 10:16:44 PM
I purchased the Gateway tablet for a few months ago specifically for law school. My background is in IT (software)...I am not a big IT hardware geek but I am competent. Here are my feelings on it:

* The battery life is amazing. Better by a mile than the 3 different IBM laptops that I have used over the last six years.
* The performance is OKAY. My biggest complaint is the boot time. I may bump up the RAM to 1 or 2GB. It is very cheap.
* I prefer a laptop that is a bit smaller and lighter.
* The text recognition is AMAZING. I just can not get over how well it works. But I suppose that is a compliment to Microsoft.
* Only one PC expansion slot. I would prefer two.

I know everyone here (and maybe others as well) prefer the IBM. But I can speak from personal experience as say that in six years of using IBM's full time I had nothing but problems. I had FOUR hard-drives die, a motherboard, and several video cards die. Now I know, everyone will think that I abused the laptop. Not true. I left it docked 99% of the time (and I did not travel). MANY others at work had similar problems. Having said all of that, I do think their new Tablets are sweet looking.

As a final note, I purchased my laptop through Best Buy. I purchased their extended warranty (I can't remember exactly but ~$150) because their repair policies are very good. I have used it several times for digital cameras and the like and have been very impressed. Generally if it is a major problem they will give you a new "camera/laptop/whatever" right on the spot. If they no longer have the model that you purchased they give you a store credit for the amount of the purchse.

Wow that was long.

But useful. Escecially the comments about boot time. I have the same issue with my X41 tablet. Although I am not a fan of Gateways, I did give the CX200 et al a hard look before purchasing my X41. That said, I would need at least a 4 year warrenty option to feel confortable. How long is the extended warranty that you purchased?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: tobias on March 21, 2006, 01:45:26 PM
Just ordered the T43 to replace my rarely functional Dell Inspiron 600m. Hopefully I will have better luck this time!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: rjf0018 on March 21, 2006, 02:05:34 PM
What do you guys and gals think of the Toshiba m 400 tablet? I can't find any reviews for it. My brother uses the gateway tablet for medical school. He loves it. However, he recommended the Toshiba m 400 because of the duo processors. What do yall think? Thanks
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 21, 2006, 02:41:21 PM
What do you guys and gals think of the Toshiba m 400 tablet? I can't find any reviews for it. My brother uses the gateway tablet for medical school. He loves it. However, he recommended the Toshiba m 400 because of the duo processors. What do yall think? Thanks

Right now it's on the top of my list...but I'd wait a few months to order it (if I were you).  There are some bugs related to the laptop & the new duo processors that I think we will be ironed out in the near future, through hardware and driver updates.

As I see the the M400:

Pros:
-Duo processor
-Best of both worlds (laptop & tablet)
-Internal Optical Drive
-Weight is less than most notebooks
-It should function properly with Windows Vista
-Harddrive is user accesible and can handle the 7200rpm 2.5" drives
-Comes with OneNote (although some schools are giving it away free to students)
-Built in microphone.

Cons:
-No low voltage processor
-Weight is more than most tablets
-Battery life isn't as high as some ultra-portable notebooks & tablets
-The modular bay doesn't currently support a battery
-No dedicated graphics card and the graphics system uses shared (i.e. system memory) which means the machine will be on the low end of complete functionality for Vista
-Memory isn't user accesible
-A number of people have complained about the fan and battery life problems (far below spec...but this doesn't include everyone).
-Toshiba doesn't offer a student discount.
-Toshiba's extended warranties seem a little more pricey than most other manufacturer's warranties.

There are a few reviews I'll post when I have a chance...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 21, 2006, 03:03:15 PM
And here are some of the M400 reviews/additional information:

Product Specs:
http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/product/pdf_files/detailed_specs/portege_M400-ST9113.pdf

Product Tour:
http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/pr/download/flash/portege_m400/portege_m400.html

Preview (mostly photos):
http://www.tabletpcreviewspot.com/default.asp?newsID=361

Review:
http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3_slates_toshiba_m400.html

Forum on Toshiba Tablets:
http://www.tabletpcbuzz.com/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=22

Forum on Toshiba Tablets:
http://forum.tabletpcreviewspot.com/forumdisplay.php?f=11

Brief mention of M400 with mention of a full review sometime in the future:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1920558,00.asp

An extended review by a New Zealander:
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,2913babb-81b1-4c1c-ac67-431ff2e01419.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,22d6ae4a-6954-4478-b62c-aab013913f59.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,49a6606f-e527-4404-ba70-d36ac245c7b0.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,d68aa1a8-eb7a-4c9f-9b91-01616af1fa69.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,4efcf56f-b4c0-4dfe-9cff-80bacefa00bd.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,6fd174f2-aa00-4b4c-b700-770f60406883.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,3b46ce63-2803-4b79-8e72-e7656f4fcded.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,d7c6a5b6-88c8-4a47-98db-d51f5a6e792a.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,d7a61f66-9252-4d96-8611-0414f9c076d7.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,8fbbd9dd-d4b9-41d0-9735-fc716f0cae04.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,11f74529-4384-4139-9ad5-81541060c354.aspx
http://www.pringle.net.nz/blog/PermaLink,guid,52fe239f-e5d7-415b-a738-f8719823fe7a.aspx
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jobrown7 on March 21, 2006, 05:56:08 PM
I purchased the Gateway tablet for a few months ago specifically for law school. My background is in IT (software)...I am not a big IT hardware geek but I am competent. Here are my feelings on it:

* The battery life is amazing. Better by a mile than the 3 different IBM laptops that I have used over the last six years.
* The performance is OKAY. My biggest complaint is the boot time. I may bump up the RAM to 1 or 2GB. It is very cheap.
* I prefer a laptop that is a bit smaller and lighter.
* The text recognition is AMAZING. I just can not get over how well it works. But I suppose that is a compliment to Microsoft.
* Only one PC expansion slot. I would prefer two.

I know everyone here (and maybe others as well) prefer the IBM. But I can speak from personal experience as say that in six years of using IBM's full time I had nothing but problems. I had FOUR hard-drives die, a motherboard, and several video cards die. Now I know, everyone will think that I abused the laptop. Not true. I left it docked 99% of the time (and I did not travel). MANY others at work had similar problems. Having said all of that, I do think their new Tablets are sweet looking.

As a final note, I purchased my laptop through Best Buy. I purchased their extended warranty (I can't remember exactly but ~$150) because their repair policies are very good. I have used it several times for digital cameras and the like and have been very impressed. Generally if it is a major problem they will give you a new "camera/laptop/whatever" right on the spot. If they no longer have the model that you purchased they give you a store credit for the amount of the purchse.

Wow that was long.

But useful. Escecially the comments about boot time. I have the same issue with my X41 tablet. Although I am not a fan of Gateways, I did give the CX200 et al a hard look before purchasing my X41. That said, I would need at least a 4 year warrenty option to feel confortable. How long is the extended warranty that you purchased?

Oingo

My warrenty is for 3 years. No matter what I bought I would have liked 4 years so it would cover the entire time at LS. Oh well.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: saltpill on March 21, 2006, 06:10:02 PM
tag. I'm thinking about getting the gateway cx200x and found your review helpful, thanks.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 21, 2006, 06:59:46 PM
Does anyone know whether or not the X41 will be able to easily run Vista? Someone claimed that the Toshiba is the only tablet out that will be able to run Vista's new interface.

edit: I'll add some downsides to the X41 that I've read about, since it is the tablet generating the most buzz.

1.) the included battery is definitely not the best in class (under 4 hours, according to a few reviews). The larger battery bumps the weight up to 4 lbs and changes the form factor of the x41 into a 11"x11" square. I'm not sure if the laptop sleeve would work with it.

2.) definitely not the most powerful tablet out there.

3.) definitely the slowest HD: 4200 rpm or something like that. Granted, this HD has all sorts of security measures built in.

For me, these performance issues are a pretty big deal. The Toshiba and Fujitsu both seem to be better options, although most people acknowledge the durability and security of IBM laptops to be the best. At this point I'm sold on the idea of a tablet, so if I don't get the X41, I'm not getting an IBM.



edit #2: we should make a tablet shoot-out thread, comparing and contrasting their features.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: tobias on March 21, 2006, 07:06:54 PM
Does anyone know whether or not the X41 will be able to easily run Vista? Someone claimed that the Toshiba is the only tablet out that will be able to run Vista's new interface.

It will matter eventually in any case but I just heard vista will not be out until at least January.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 21, 2006, 07:36:57 PM
Gah, I just wrote a huge writeup of the Fujitsu T4000 and accidentally hit the back button on my browser. Damnit. Here's the link:

http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/PrdBridge.jsp?pclass=T4


Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 21, 2006, 08:03:40 PM
Does anyone know whether or not the X41 will be able to easily run Vista? Someone claimed that the Toshiba is the only tablet out that will be able to run Vista's new interface.

edit: I'll add some downsides to the X41 that I've read about, since it is the tablet generating the most buzz.

1.) the included battery is definitely not the best in class (under 4 hours, according to a few reviews). The larger battery bumps the weight up to 4 lbs and changes the form factor of the x41 into a 11"x11" square. I'm not sure if the laptop sleeve would work with it.

2.) definitely not the most powerful tablet out there.

3.) definitely the slowest HD: 4200 rpm or something like that. Granted, this HD has all sorts of security measures built in.

For me, these performance issues are a pretty big deal. The Toshiba and Fujitsu both seem to be better options, although most people acknowledge the durability and security of IBM laptops to be the best. At this point I'm sold on the idea of a tablet, so if I don't get the X41, I'm not getting an IBM.



edit #2: we should make a tablet shoot-out thread, comparing and contrasting their features.

I think you may be underestimating the X41 a bit. Yes, the boot times are slower than your desktop and most desktop replacement laptops - No arguement there. In fact, the first week I got it I experienced frustration in this regard. I grew comfortable once I eliminated some of the bloatware and customized. Some two weeks later, I can say that I am more and more satisfied in this regard. To each his own. What helps and does not necessarily degrade performance (as some have suggested) is to put the machine on stand-by. I usually do a cold boot every 2 days or so. The machine snaps back to life promptly - no complaints.

I also want to talk to complaints about possible general performance issues AFTER boot-up. Yes, the system is made of humble components: 1.5 GHZ processor, 4200 RPM hard drive....yada yada yada. Stutter of the mouse pointer annoys when the hard drive is really busy (partially solved by installing more RAM). Yet for what I need the machine to do, this things excels - and then some.

Example? I have been able to play a high bitrate HD movie clip (encoded at 1080p) on this machine WITHOUT hiccuping. Thats saying something about underestimating components. HD video is demanding on a processor and video card. This thing uses shared video memory!!!! My Athlon XP 2400 desktop with a ATI 9800 pro card hiccups constantly while playing. Food for thought.

(for those wondering, I have been playing the Alexander 1080p clip on wmvhd.com)

If you need an optical drive with your tablet then you need to shop elsewhere. If not, then look no further. Your tablet has arrived :)

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: phooey on March 21, 2006, 08:30:10 PM
Hey computer people,
What do you think about the Toshiba Satellite A105-S2712 Notebook?
It looks like you can get a pretty good deal on it right now at Circuit City with rebates and all.  I just need something for internet and schoolwork- maybe some streaming NPR every now and then.  A nice big screen is a must for me.  You know, the old eyes have never been that great.

The reviews of this one say it's a pretty solid choice...any comments?

I've never had a laptop before, will I need to buy a router for internet or is that unnecessary?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: tobias on March 21, 2006, 08:49:32 PM
I have a toshiba laptop I use as a spare because my dell is not routinely functional, and it is a workhorse!! It is at least 7 years old and I have never had a problem with it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: phooey on March 21, 2006, 08:55:44 PM
Thanks.  I've heard they're dependable, that's my main requirement.  I'll throw myself off a bridge if my computer blows up on me before finals.

Hey, any insight on the internet question?  I seriously have no idea how to get internet on a laptop. Will I be able to just pick up internet vibes wherever I go?  :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 21, 2006, 09:17:39 PM
Update:

I have figured out that the speed issue that I have is most likely due to a router incompatibility with the wireless card of which I can do nothing about. I was going to replace the router with something that could do printer sharing and/or telephony (read: Vonage). It is a 2.5 year old Linksys wireless B unit. Perhaps I'll do something this summer.

The included Zinio reader is a neat program. I'm not really an avid magazine buyer but this type of application seems useful. I think they only offer magazines through their website. I could not see that they offer fiction/non-fiction books. Maybe there is another vendor out there (Amazon?). It would be also nice if we could purchase class texts in PDF format (probably pie in the sky but oh well).

I have done some tweaking, removed some programs and experienced a noticable gain in boot up time speed. My wife's laptop still boots up faster - it's just not as much faster as it used to be.

Oingo

Solved the speed and connectivity issue. The problem was the channel selection. It seems that the other 6 routers in the neighborhood are on channel 6. A switch to channel 11 solved all problems - yah!!!!!

Oingo.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 21, 2006, 09:30:20 PM
Does anyone know whether or not the X41 will be able to easily run Vista? Someone claimed that the Toshiba is the only tablet out that will be able to run Vista's new interface.

It should be able to run Vista but it may not be able to run "Glass" well.  I think the bottom end of integrated graphics cards that will be able to run glass includes the most recent Intel 950 integrate graphics system.  The X41 doesn't have this...it's got the Intel 900 graphics chipset.  Vista will probably be an overated system resource hog anyway - I suspect Windows XP will become the new Windows 2000.


Hey computer people,
What do you think about the Toshiba Satellite A105-S2712 Notebook?
It looks like you can get a pretty good deal on it right now at Circuit City with rebates and all.  I just need something for internet and schoolwork- maybe some streaming NPR every now and then.  A nice big screen is a must for me.  You know, the old eyes have never been that great.

The reviews of this one say it's a pretty solid choice...any comments?

I've never had a laptop before, will I need to buy a router for internet or is that unnecessary?  Thanks.

Definitely go to a computer store and try one out.  I've tried a few Sattelites and they always feel kind of cheap...the touchpads weren't very good (even after adjustments) and the ones I used were highly underpowered.

As an aside, I must say that I dropped by a CompUSA and looked at the Sony SZ series and I was pretty impressed.  I'll go back at some point and spend more time messing around with it, but for an ultra-portable it looks pretty good.  I know Sony has some infamous support but I'm pretty impressed by the SZ's specs and I've heard good things about earlier Vaios.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: phooey on March 22, 2006, 11:36:42 AM
Nope.  I use dial-up.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 22, 2006, 12:29:06 PM
Nope.  I use dial-up.

Most Laptops have built in 56 K dial up modems - even the ultraportables like the X41.
Curious, how much do you pay for dial up? Depending on where you are you can score a low tier DSL plan for as low as $14.99 a month.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: . . . . . . on March 22, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
i would rather not use the internet than use dial up
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: phooey on March 22, 2006, 02:14:06 PM
I figured the dialup thing would get some comments..

I just graduated last June.  Dialup doesn't bother me at all!  My connection at home is actually pretty quick, I had a research job last year and did lots of research from home- it really wasn't bad. 

I'll check into getting DSL and possibly a router for home though, it would be nice to not tie up the phone when I'm online. 
I'm paying about $15 a month through Netzero for my connection.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: allyreese on March 22, 2006, 02:38:39 PM
baff
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sharsky on March 22, 2006, 02:39:56 PM
Does anyone have an Acer 5672?
Or have you heard anything good about this model?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 22, 2006, 03:38:18 PM
I figured the dialup thing would get some comments..

I just graduated last June.  Dialup doesn't bother me at all!  My connection at home is actually pretty quick, I had a research job last year and did lots of research from home- it really wasn't bad. 

I'll check into getting DSL and possibly a router for home though, it would be nice to not tie up the phone when I'm online. 
I'm paying about $15 a month through Netzero for my connection.

Thanks!

Here's the question...have you had fast internet?  Or spent much time using it?

This is key. Once you get a taste you never go back.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: phooey on March 22, 2006, 04:10:38 PM
Yeah, I'm paying that.  The cheapest I've ever seen it for is $10.  Is that really shocking?

I've had a fast connection before, at work and school, etc.  I don't think my dialup connection is that much slower..slower for sure, but obviously, it wasn't a deal breaker for me.
Downloading obviously sucks, but I rarely download anything, just general browsing usually.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: phooey on March 22, 2006, 04:18:09 PM
What's impressive?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: phooey on March 22, 2006, 04:24:46 PM
That's really funny you would say that because I actually do that!  I live right off the freeway, but I take the 25mph "scenic route" on my way home instead.

Maybe I'm just a zen master...
or a technophobe.

I know DSL is faster and I'm not going to be the crazy girl that defends dialup for no reason..I just never felt I had enough fire under my butt to switch, but you know, I probably will switch when school starts.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "V" on March 22, 2006, 07:04:51 PM
RECOMMENDATION:

Circuit City has a sale on an Acer 3623WXCi right now, under $500 after rebates, plus free memory upgrade. I just bought it and love it. This is a  BUDGET laptop for people like me who aren't looking at 2k toshibas....

Celeron-M (not strong, but less heat and more than able to run word)
512 memory
built in wireless, bluetooth, lan port, and modem.
Really nice screen
Only a little over 5 lbs.
Good battery life, 3ish hours on power management settings
touchpad (I hate those knob things)

This is my offical law-school laptop. I think they sale goes on for a few more days. If you're not looking to spend 2k on a laptop, I would seriously considering checking this one out.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 22, 2006, 07:13:28 PM
It's like you live next to a freeway but you only ever take surface streets. 

Also, 40% of the things I do on the internet make use of the speed.

Let me guess...streaming porn?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 22, 2006, 08:39:12 PM
It's like you live next to a freeway but you only ever take surface streets. 

Also, 40% of the things I do on the internet make use of the speed.

Let me guess...streaming porn?

Definitely not 40% of my internet activity.  More wholesome things like music downloads, streaming video, etc...

Any more, yahoo's page takes a while if you don't have broadband.

Even for surfing, I get irritated with anything less than broadband.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: rhythmbomb on March 22, 2006, 08:40:00 PM
I just bought a Dell Latitude D610 with a Pentium M (2.0 GHz), 14.1 XGA, Windows XP Pro, 80 G HD, and 1 GB RAM with on-site service and accidental damage repair for $1186 total.  Got a coupon for 20% off refurbished price.  Retail with their current special would have been $1700.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: LubedPumpkin on March 22, 2006, 08:44:10 PM
I just bought a Dell Latitude D610 with a Pentium M (2.0 GHz), 14.1 XGA, Windows XP Pro, 80 G HD, and 1 GB RAM with on-site service and accidental damage repair for $1186 total.  Got a coupon for 20% off refurbished price.  Retail with their current special would have been $1700.

That's precisely the computer I want to buy. It's down to about $1000 now. :D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: rhythmbomb on March 22, 2006, 08:47:56 PM
I just bought a Dell Latitude D610 with a Pentium M (2.0 GHz), 14.1 XGA, Windows XP Pro, 80 G HD, and 1 GB RAM with on-site service and accidental damage repair for $1186 total.  Got a coupon for 20% off refurbished price.  Retail with their current special would have been $1700.

That's precisely the computer I want to buy. It's down to about $1000 now. :D

I have two friends that own them and swear by them.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 22, 2006, 08:51:35 PM
I just bought a Dell Latitude D610 with a Pentium M (2.0 GHz), 14.1 XGA, Windows XP Pro, 80 G HD, and 1 GB RAM with on-site service and accidental damage repair for $1186 total.  Got a coupon for 20% off refurbished price.  Retail with their current special would have been $1700.

So is it new or used?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: rhythmbomb on March 22, 2006, 09:15:28 PM
I just bought a Dell Latitude D610 with a Pentium M (2.0 GHz), 14.1 XGA, Windows XP Pro, 80 G HD, and 1 GB RAM with on-site service and accidental damage repair for $1186 total.  Got a coupon for 20% off refurbished price.  Retail with their current special would have been $1700.

So is it new or used?

Oingo

Actually, its new.  It was ordered but never delivered.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 22, 2006, 09:50:38 PM
I just bought a Dell Latitude D610 with a Pentium M (2.0 GHz), 14.1 XGA, Windows XP Pro, 80 G HD, and 1 GB RAM with on-site service and accidental damage repair for $1186 total.  Got a coupon for 20% off refurbished price.  Retail with their current special would have been $1700.



So is it new or used?

Oingo

Heck , that's a good deal for you. Especially getting accidental coverage with the deal.

Oingo

Actually, its new.  It was ordered but never delivered.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on March 23, 2006, 10:22:06 AM
University of Memphis Law professor bans laptops in his class:


Law professor bans laptops in class, over student protest
MEMPHIS (AP) — A group of University of Memphis law students are passing a petition against a professor who banned laptop computers from her classroom because she considers them a distraction in lectures.
On March 6, Professor June Entman warned her first-year law students by e-mail to bring pens and paper to take notes in class.

"My main concern was they were focusing on trying to transcribe every word that was I saying, rather than thinking and analyzing," Entman said Monday. "The computers interfere with making eye contact. You've got this picket fence between you and the students."

The move didn't sit well with the students, who have begun collecting signatures against the move and tried to file a complaint with the American Bar Association. The complaint, based on an ABA rule for technology at law schools, was dismissed.

"Our major concern is the snowball effect," said law school student Jennifer Bellott. "If you open the door for one professor, you open the door for every other professor to do the same thing."

"If we continue without laptops, I'm out of here. I'm gone; I won't be able to keep up," said student Cory Winsett, who said his hand-written notes are incomplete and less organized.

Law School Dean James Smoot said the decision was up to the professor, but the conflict has caused faculty to consider technology issues as the school prepares to move to a more advanced downtown facility in coming years.


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Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 23, 2006, 02:33:42 PM
You know there was a time when I would have been fine with this. No more - too adddicted to Onenote and Windows Journal to give them up.

Just as a FYI - It almost feels like the hand recognition software is "learning" my style of writing and recognizing more. I have been able to write the last few posts using the digitizer pen with less and less editing. Perhaps it is just me doing the adapting? My wife thinks I'm crazy but oh well :)

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on March 23, 2006, 02:43:22 PM
I don't understand the tablet thing. If I want to write, I'll get out a pen and paper and write. If I want to type, I'll do it on a computer. I just don't get it.

The big advantage is for reading and not editing, I think. For one thing, the page you're reading is displayed lengthwise, so you see more of the page in tablet mode. Perfect for browsing LSD. Also, using the stylus to cut, paste, and highlight notes seems pretty nice.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 23, 2006, 02:44:27 PM
I don't understand the tablet thing. If I want to write, I'll get out a pen and paper and write. If I want to type, I'll do it on a computer. I just don't get it.

For me, my interest in a tablet is two-fold: I write faster than they type and I think differently (more coherently and more deliberately) when I write.  As a bonus, I like the idea of having a laptop that can inhabit the same footprint when it is open and closed (in tablet mode).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 23, 2006, 03:54:23 PM
I don't understand the tablet thing. If I want to write, I'll get out a pen and paper and write. If I want to type, I'll do it on a computer. I just don't get it.

For me, my interest in a tablet is two-fold: I write faster than they type and I think differently (more coherently and more deliberately) when I write.  As a bonus, I like the idea of having a laptop that can inhabit the same footprint when it is open and closed (in tablet mode).

Agreed on all points. And this also - don't knock the text conversion capabilities. Once you learn the "correct" way to write, the text coversion process becomes much easier. I don't mind having to go back and revise. I would do that anyway if I was writing.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on March 26, 2006, 11:58:55 PM
I never thought about the possibility of not being "allowed" to type on a laptop during class, until I sat in a Torts class at DUKE this past weekend in which everyone was taking notes by hand. I found out later that the professor does not allow laptops in class due to the distracting noise. Writing notes on a tablet seems better than writing them on paper and typing them up later.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on March 27, 2006, 08:20:53 AM
Just ordered mine this weekend...Gateway CX200X Tablet.  Can't wait to get it.  I'll let you all know how it is. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 27, 2006, 08:25:12 AM
Just ordered mine this weekend...Gateway CX200X Tablet.  Can't wait to get it.  I'll let you all know how it is. 

Good news JVAN2619 - I am curious too :)

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on March 27, 2006, 09:09:52 AM
Just ordered mine this weekend...Gateway CX200X Tablet.  Can't wait to get it.  I'll let you all know how it is. 

Wow, good luck with the weight.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jvan2619 on March 27, 2006, 10:28:02 AM
Not too concerned about the weight...my current laptop weighs 7 lbs.  I like the sturdiness.  My big factor - oddly enough - was the screen size.  I swear I am legally blind, so the extra few inches makes a big difference for me. 

I'll let you all know.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jashdey on March 27, 2006, 10:52:08 AM
I found out later that the professor does not allow laptops in class due to the distracting noise. Writing notes on a tablet seems better than writing them on paper and typing them up later.

The 1L guide I had at Santa Clara this weekend said that the professors there were debating whether or not to continue allowing laptop use in class.  I hope this isn't a trend amongst the schools.  >:(

I agree that using a tablet would be better than manual writing - at least you still get some digitization.  I wasn't really considering a tablet before due to the cost, but I might look into them more now.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 27, 2006, 12:35:39 PM
I found out later that the professor does not allow laptops in class due to the distracting noise. Writing notes on a tablet seems better than writing them on paper and typing them up later.

The 1L guide I had at Santa Clara this weekend said that the professors there were debating whether or not to continue allowing laptop use in class.  I hope this isn't a trend amongst the schools.  >:(

I agree that using a tablet would be better than manual writing - at least you still get some digitization.  I wasn't really considering a tablet before due to the cost, but I might look into them more now.

Units such as the CX200 can be had for less than $1500. Leveno ran a sale this past St Paddy's day that featured the X41 tablet for $1599 (less at some IBM authorized dealers). Although this money is nothing to sneeze at I would not say that it is "prohibitive."

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jashdey on March 27, 2006, 12:52:23 PM
Here's some queries about the tablets (IBM specifically) -

1.  How much of a hassle is it to not have an internal optical drive?  From the standpoint of installing software, I imagine you'd have to have *something* - so do you just use an external drive?  (Same goes with the floppy drive situation that all the schools seem to require for tests - just use a USB drive?)  The price of the pre-specificed X41 jumps up quite a bit when you add an optical drive.

2.  How does the single hinge fare structurally?  Does it seem like it will last a long time?

3.  This question is for anyone with 12" laptops - what is the keyboard like?  I suppose I should just go to the local Fry's and test some out, but I'm worried that the keyboard on a 12" will be far too small compared to a 14".  For those that have used both, do you find the 12" keyboard limiting in any way?

Thanks, everyone. :)



Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 27, 2006, 01:26:08 PM
Here's some queries about the tablets (IBM specifically) -

1.  How much of a hassle is it to not have an internal optical drive?  From the standpoint of installing software, I imagine you'd have to have *something* - so do you just use an external drive?  (Same goes with the floppy drive situation that all the schools seem to require for tests - just use a USB drive?)  The price of the pre-specificed X41 jumps up quite a bit when you add an optical drive.

2.  How does the single hinge fare structurally?  Does it seem like it will last a long time?

3.  This question is for anyone with 12" laptops - what is the keyboard like?  I suppose I should just go to the local Fry's and test some out, but I'm worried that the keyboard on a 12" will be far too small compared to a 14".  For those that have used both, do you find the 12" keyboard limiting in any way?

Thanks, everyone. :)


I have the X41 tablet. I'll answer in order.....

1) At first you think it sucks. It can especially if you anticipate having to install software frequently. I handle it three ways: I have a jumpdrive for files, large or small, that I need to get on the notebook. I also have a external DVD/CD burner that I bought for $80. We use it on out desktop mostly but I plan on taking it with me to school if needed. Finally, the home network works for most else, something which I realize not everyone does.

2) This is why I bought the X41 over the CX200. The hinge is a pretty solif piece. I can't imagine it ever breaking - it is constructed of steel. The screen is a magnesium alloy and does not do that queasy "flex" when you move it up or down.

3) It is small, especially the backspace key. If you use the windows key frequently you will be disappointed because it is missing on the X41. I have skinny, long fingers - typing was an adjustment. Its not uncomfortable to use - it just takes some time to get used to. I have had my machine for several weeks now and I can type on the keyboard just as fast as I can on my desktop.

My wife has a 14 inch screen and I don't think hers is really any more comfortable to type on. In fact, the IBM keys feel much more "tactile" and emit a "pleasing" click instead of that "squished chiclet" feeling some of the other brands/keyboards (read: Sony) that I have tried.

If you do decide on the X41, stay away from the Leveno optical drive solution. It is just way to d@mn expensive. Don't buy a bundled Office ot OneNote package either - both can be bought cheaper elsewhere.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: allyreese on March 27, 2006, 02:19:50 PM

The 1L guide I had at Santa Clara this weekend said that the professors there were debating whether or not to continue allowing laptop use in class.  I hope this isn't a trend amongst the schools.  >:(


has anyone asked admissions depts about this?  is it something they're fairly open about or something that only current students would mention...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: law123 on March 27, 2006, 02:30:23 PM
Here's some queries about the tablets (IBM specifically) -

1.  How much of a hassle is it to not have an internal optical drive?  From the standpoint of installing software, I imagine you'd have to have *something* - so do you just use an external drive?  (Same goes with the floppy drive situation that all the schools seem to require for tests - just use a USB drive?)  The price of the pre-specificed X41 jumps up quite a bit when you add an optical drive.

2.  How does the single hinge fare structurally?  Does it seem like it will last a long time?

3.  This question is for anyone with 12" laptops - what is the keyboard like?  I suppose I should just go to the local Fry's and test some out, but I'm worried that the keyboard on a 12" will be far too small compared to a 14".  For those that have used both, do you find the 12" keyboard limiting in any way?

Thanks, everyone. :)


I have the X41 tablet. I'll answer in order.....

1) At first you think it sucks. It can especially if you anticipate having to install software frequently. I handle it three ways: I have a jumpdrive for files, large or small, that I need to get on the notebook. I also have a external DVD/CD burner that I bought for $80. We use it on out desktop mostly but I plan on taking it with me to school if needed. Finally, the home network works for most else, something which I realize not everyone does.

2) This is why I bought the X41 over the CX200. The hinge is a pretty solif piece. I can't imagine it ever breaking - it is constructed of steel. The screen is a magnesium alloy and does not do that queasy "flex" when you move it up or down.

3) It is small, especially the backspace key. If you use the windows key frequently you will be disappointed because it is missing on the X41. I have skinny, long fingers - typing was an adjustment. Its not uncomfortable to use - it just takes some time to get used to. I have had my machine for several weeks now and I can type on the keyboard just as fast as I can on my desktop.

My wife has a 14 inch screen and I don't think hers is really any more comfortable to type on. In fact, the IBM keys feel much more "tactile" and emit a "pleasing" click instead of that "squished chiclet" feeling some of the other brands/keyboards (read: Sony) that I have tried.

If you do decide on the X41, stay away from the Leveno optical drive solution. It is just way to d@mn expensive. Don't buy a bundled Office ot OneNote package either - both can be bought cheaper elsewhere.

Oingo.

Im assuming the X41 doesn' have a floppy drive, does that mean I can't get one since my school requires my computer to have one--whatever laptop I get will be my only computer.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 27, 2006, 07:38:11 PM
Here's some queries about the tablets (IBM specifically) -

1.  How much of a hassle is it to not have an internal optical drive?  From the standpoint of installing software, I imagine you'd have to have *something* - so do you just use an external drive?  (Same goes with the floppy drive situation that all the schools seem to require for tests - just use a USB drive?)  The price of the pre-specificed X41 jumps up quite a bit when you add an optical drive.

2.  How does the single hinge fare structurally?  Does it seem like it will last a long time?

3.  This question is for anyone with 12" laptops - what is the keyboard like?  I suppose I should just go to the local Fry's and test some out, but I'm worried that the keyboard on a 12" will be far too small compared to a 14".  For those that have used both, do you find the 12" keyboard limiting in any way?

Thanks, everyone. :)


I have the X41 tablet. I'll answer in order.....

1) At first you think it sucks. It can especially if you anticipate having to install software frequently. I handle it three ways: I have a jumpdrive for files, large or small, that I need to get on the notebook. I also have a external DVD/CD burner that I bought for $80. We use it on out desktop mostly but I plan on taking it with me to school if needed. Finally, the home network works for most else, something which I realize not everyone does.

2) This is why I bought the X41 over the CX200. The hinge is a pretty solif piece. I can't imagine it ever breaking - it is constructed of steel. The screen is a magnesium alloy and does not do that queasy "flex" when you move it up or down.

3) It is small, especially the backspace key. If you use the windows key frequently you will be disappointed because it is missing on the X41. I have skinny, long fingers - typing was an adjustment. Its not uncomfortable to use - it just takes some time to get used to. I have had my machine for several weeks now and I can type on the keyboard just as fast as I can on my desktop.

My wife has a 14 inch screen and I don't think hers is really any more comfortable to type on. In fact, the IBM keys feel much more "tactile" and emit a "pleasing" click instead of that "squished chiclet" feeling some of the other brands/keyboards (read: Sony) that I have tried.

If you do decide on the X41, stay away from the Leveno optical drive solution. It is just way to d@mn expensive. Don't buy a bundled Office ot OneNote package either - both can be bought cheaper elsewhere.

Oingo.

Im assuming the X41 doesn' have a floppy drive, does that mean I can't get one since my school requires my computer to have one--whatever laptop I get will be my only computer.

You'd have to purchase a USB floppy - pretty inexpensive.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1908 on March 31, 2006, 01:05:35 PM
Calling all techies (Oingo, Mugatu, and others)

What are your thoughts on the new Dell latitude D620?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on March 31, 2006, 02:27:46 PM
I'll check it out when I get home. Question is, does it work for you? What do you want out of a laptop?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1908 on April 01, 2006, 06:19:58 AM
Quote
I'll check it out when I get home. Question is, does it work for you? What do you want out of a laptop?

I don't know much about all the technical stuff related to computers but basically I need something that fits these requirements or close to it.  http://www.law.ufl.edu/services/laptop.shtml (http://www.law.ufl.edu/services/laptop.shtml)

I guess what I really want to know is whether or not I should stick with my original plan to purchase the latitude d610 or if I should go with the new d620.  Is there really a BIG difference between the two?  Which one is the better deal of the two?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: skeeball on April 01, 2006, 08:02:09 AM
Bippety BAFF.

Boyfriend is a teacher and HUGE Mac lover. He's trying to get me to get a Mac for lawschool. I don't want to because I don't know how to use them. He says they're better machines. I'm afraid if I get one I'll be screwed every time I try to use software that's specific to the law school.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1908 on April 01, 2006, 08:11:48 AM
I have the same worries as you skeeball.  I love MACs but can't bring myself to purchase one because they're not supported in law school.  I don't want to have to worry about finding a compatible PC for exams when I'll probably be stressed more than enough already.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 01, 2006, 11:26:16 AM
Bippety BAFF.

Boyfriend is a teacher and HUGE Mac lover. He's trying to get me to get a Mac for lawschool. I don't want to because I don't know how to use them. He says they're better machines. I'm afraid if I get one I'll be screwed every time I try to use software that's specific to the law school.

What do you guys think?

The new Macs, the ones that have Intel Core Duo chips, will actually allow you to run XP on them.  There was a contest a while back and some kids managed to dual-boot OS X and XP.  It is a free download if you have the right chipset.  It is not emulation, it is a full-fledged version of XP on it.  That being said, I wouldn't buy one to use with the exam software until I had heard confirmation from someone else that it works fine, but there shouldn't be any reason it wouldn't work.  I am just a skeptic.

Tag. I agree completely. Especially for those not technically inclined. Getting XP installed on a core-duo Mac ain't like making macaroni and cheese.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 01, 2006, 11:33:13 AM
Bippety BAFF.

Boyfriend is a teacher and HUGE Mac lover. He's trying to get me to get a Mac for lawschool. I don't want to because I don't know how to use them. He says they're better machines. I'm afraid if I get one I'll be screwed every time I try to use software that's specific to the law school.

What do you guys think?

The new Macs, the ones that have Intel Core Duo chips, will actually allow you to run XP on them.  There was a contest a while back and some kids managed to dual-boot OS X and XP.  It is a free download if you have the right chipset.  It is not emulation, it is a full-fledged version of XP on it.  That being said, I wouldn't buy one to use with the exam software until I had heard confirmation from someone else that it works fine, but there shouldn't be any reason it wouldn't work.  I am just a skeptic.

I have contacted Examsoft, and they said they are researching the issue, but feel confident that they will "clear me" to use my MacBook Pro for summer exams.  There is no longer any reason to not go with an Apple!

(http://www.wheelkinetics.com/pics/03-20-06_1201.jpg)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 01, 2006, 11:35:31 AM
Quote
I'll check it out when I get home. Question is, does it work for you? What do you want out of a laptop?

I don't know much about all the technical stuff related to computers but basically I need something that fits these requirements or close to it.  http://www.law.ufl.edu/services/laptop.shtml (http://www.law.ufl.edu/services/laptop.shtml)

I guess what I really want to know is whether or not I should stick with my original plan to purchase the latitude d610 or if I should go with the new d620.  Is there really a BIG difference between the two?  Which one is the better deal of the two?

Even the 600m (I have one at work) should be more than enough for your needs. Make sure you have at least 512 MB of RAM though. There is such an overkill of processing power out there becuase people have begun to use their laptops for everything. Most low end systems will play a DVD more than adequately. There isn't a new laptop out there that won't run Word or Examsoft. What I'm saying is that don't sweat it so much. You can do fine, better than fine, with a 610, 620 or even a 600m. Find a machine from a quality manufacturer with a decent warranty - I would make this the focus of your concerns.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1908 on April 02, 2006, 02:40:22 PM
Thanks Oingo.  :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Fidelio on April 02, 2006, 05:46:35 PM
Well I am interested in purchasing a laptop, reading the posts here just further confirmed that I should get a tablet...

What tablet do you guys think is the best out there? Do you guys suggest I should wait a little longer till around July or August-ish? (for better ones to come out)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 02, 2006, 06:09:38 PM
Well I am interested in purchasing a laptop, reading the posts here just further confirmed that I should get a tablet...

What tablet do you guys think is the best out there? Do you guys suggest I should wait a little longer till around July or August-ish? (for better ones to come out)

Depends. There are some pretty nice Toshibas and Levenos (IBM) to choose from. JVAN2619 just bought a Gateway CX200 which offers more functionality and screen size at the cost of weight.

Take my advice realizing that I am biased towards IBM/Leveno. If it were me I would wait for the X60 tablet - it should be killer. It will cost (figure on about $2400) but it will be worth every penny. I have read conflicting reports about its release date - anything from next week to late fall (I'm serious!). The X41 is a fine machine but it is slower (something which does not bother me at all) based on the reviews posted of the X60 non-tablet at CNET.

If price is the overriding concern then look at the CX200. It can be had for as little as $1400.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 4DClaw on April 02, 2006, 06:22:46 PM
This may have been addressed earlier- but what is the real advantage of a tablet? They look cool, but I can't imagine having to take that many notes by hand to justify paying more for a heavier machine. But before I buy an ultra-lightweight, I want to make sure I'm not missing something.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Fidelio on April 02, 2006, 06:27:47 PM
Well I am interested in purchasing a laptop, reading the posts here just further confirmed that I should get a tablet...

What tablet do you guys think is the best out there? Do you guys suggest I should wait a little longer till around July or August-ish? (for better ones to come out)

Depends. There are some pretty nice Toshibas and Levenos (IBM) to choose from. JVAN2619 just bought a Gateway CX200 which offers more functionality and screen size at the cost of weight.

Take my advice realizing that I am biased towards IBM/Leveno. If it were me I would wait for the X60 tablet - it should be killer. It will cost (figure on about $2400) but it will be worth every penny. I have read conflicting reports about its release date - anything from next week to late fall (I'm serious!). The X41 is a fine machine but it is slower (something which does not bother me at all) based on the reviews posted of the X60 non-tablet at CNET.

If price is the overriding concern then look at the CX200. It can be had for as little as $1400.

Oingo

Hey thanks man! Just did some more research on that X60, looks mouthwatering!

Some technie pundit sites claim that it'll be out around May...

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 02, 2006, 10:07:44 PM
Food for thought... no one at my school uses a tablet.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Fidelio on April 02, 2006, 10:10:29 PM
Hmmm...

Well it is promoted here quite often..
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mivida2k on April 02, 2006, 11:06:26 PM
I found out later that the professor does not allow laptops in class due to the distracting noise. Writing notes on a tablet seems better than writing them on paper and typing them up later.
[...]

I hope this isn't a trend amongst the schools.  >:(

I agree that using a tablet would be better than manual writing - at least you still get some digitization.  I wasn't really considering a tablet before due to the cost, but I might look into them more now.

If this becomes a trend my digital recorder will be working overtime. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 03, 2006, 12:36:38 AM
Hmmm...

Well it is promoted here quite often..

Along with a lot of other bad info.

If you want a tablet, great, get it.. but it's far far far from required.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 03, 2006, 12:48:02 AM
Hmmm...

Well it is promoted here quite often..

Along with a lot of other bad info.

If you want a tablet, great, get it.. but it's far far far from required.

I haven't really noticed bad info on this thread.  What did you think was bad info?

On this thread vs LSD as a whole.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 03, 2006, 10:16:56 AM
Hmmm...

Well it is promoted here quite often..

Along with a lot of other bad info.

If you want a tablet, great, get it.. but it's far far far from required.

I haven't really noticed bad info on this thread.  What did you think was bad info?

On this thread vs LSD as a whole.

???? Still confused. Where is the bad info?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 04, 2006, 02:38:47 PM
It is basically a processor that has two separate processors put into one.  It draws less power than two separate single core processors would draw, which is why it offers a benefit over just two processors.  Basically it allows you to draw more processing power (running more programs simultaneously and without lag is the main benefit) without drawing a ton more power.  It would not offer any advantage in checking email or taking notes, although if you want to do either while doing something more demanding, it would.  It basically gives you more potential to multitask.

Tag. I'll add by saying that unless you are into gaming or maybe some heavy video editing, you will not see that much of a difference. That said, if your heart is set on running the next version of windows at lightening speed with all features turned on you *might* want to insist on the dual core.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Yale College Inferno on April 04, 2006, 09:45:05 PM
It is basically a processor that has two separate processors put into one.  It draws less power than two separate single core processors would draw, which is why it offers a benefit over just two processors.  Basically it allows you to draw more processing power (running more programs simultaneously and without lag is the main benefit) without drawing a ton more power.  It would not offer any advantage in checking email or taking notes, although if you want to do either while doing something more demanding, it would.  It basically gives you more potential to multitask.

Tag. I'll add by saying that unless you are into gaming or maybe some heavy video editing, you will not see that much of a difference. That said, if your heart is set on running the next version of windows at lightening speed with all features turned on you *might* want to insist on the dual core.

Oingo.

Plus, it doubles your risk of a core breach. Remember on Star Trek?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 04, 2006, 09:57:03 PM
I use one of the Targus backpacks. It keeps the computer pretty safe from damage and has enough compartments told hold most stuff including lunch.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on April 04, 2006, 11:19:20 PM
Timbuk2 has some nice, big messenger-style bags that work well for books and a small laptop.  Definitely get the strap pad if you're going to carry any amount of weight.  Mine's the 2nd biggest one they sell and I was able to fit 10+ liter beer bottles in it and still be able to bike.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 07:59:07 AM
Amazing.....simply amazing. I didn't think Apple would support it. Wow - if that is a "fake" link, it is a pretty good fake.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1908 on April 05, 2006, 07:59:43 AM
 
apple lovers good news:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
apple will allow xp to boot on apple machines - so now you can boot up to XP for exam software...
I might just sell me inspirion 9300 and pick up one of these http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
[/quote]

Woo Hoo!  ;D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 4DClaw on April 05, 2006, 08:06:05 AM
As a technology novice, I have this question: will this eliminate any problems posed by schools whose tech departments specifically say their software won't work on Macs? I'd assume that if you're using XP, then you could use any of the school's software. I'd LOVE to get a Mac. But I don't want to buy one until I'm absolutely sure that I could use it in school.


apple lovers good news:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
apple will allow xp to boot on apple machines - so now you can boot up to XP for exam software...
I might just sell me inspirion 9300 and pick up one of these http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

Woo Hoo!  ;D
[/quote]
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 11:13:24 AM
Apple only did this because the open source community already beat them to it.

As for guarantees of it working, it is a native boot up of XP.  That means it is just as much at home on the MacBook Pro as it is on a Fujitsu or Dell laptop.

Compromises should be minimal too - limited by keyboard issues. I have always liked Mac OS-X and I wonder how long it will be before traditional Windows machines will be able to do the same. Better yet, I wonder if Vista will be so killer that it may make the point moot for some. Interesting times ahead!

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 11:43:29 AM
The quickest fix may be the cheapest. Go into your routers setup and change the data channel from whatever it is (most likely 6) to smething else (try 1 or 11).

I had very similar problems with my new X41 Tablet that drove me nuts. It wasn't until I changed the data channel to 1 that all my problems disappeared. I experience ZERO drops and steady fast rates again.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on April 05, 2006, 11:59:15 AM

apple lovers good news:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
apple will allow xp to boot on apple machines - so now you can boot up to XP for exam software...
I might just sell me inspirion 9300 and pick up one of these http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/

Woo Hoo!  ;D
[/quote]

This is going to make my purchase decision tough. I was set on getting a thinkpad, prolly a T60, with the IBM employee discount. Now I just don't know.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 05, 2006, 12:09:53 PM
Apple only did this because the open source community already beat them to it.

That's an awfully dumb comment.  The open source XP boot is only 3 weeks old; obviously Apple planned this for many months.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 12:32:41 PM
The quickest fix may be the cheapest. Go into your routers setup and change the data channel from whatever it is (most likely 6) to smething else (try 1 or 11).

I had very similar problems with my new X41 Tablet that drove me nuts. It wasn't until I changed the data channel to 1 that all my problems disappeared. I experience ZERO drops and steady fast rates again.

Oingo

Yes, could be due to interference.  Do you live in an apartment building or in close quarters?  Also, did you recently buy a cordless phone in the 2.4Ghz range?

Not an apartment, it’s a row house, there are four of them connected together, and I’m on the end, then there are four more next to me facing the other street. But it’s an urban setting so there are a lot of people packed into a small area. Same phone I have always had. I changed the channel on the router to 1 like suggested. So far, about 10 mins, no drops, but connection and MPBS is varying between good/great, and 12-54.

Keep trying different channels (2 though 5 and 7 through 11). I had to before I found the channel that gave me the speed AND stability.

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
What Mugatu said. My problem was a new neighbor and their 2.4 ghz phone. Your issue *might* be wholly unrelated to the furniture move.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on April 05, 2006, 12:45:58 PM
Hey all I need HELP!!

Unless your furniture consists of giant metal mesh walls, that is unlikely to be the cause.  Like people have suggested, try different channels...a neighbor can mess you up.  I've heard about something similar happening when a wireless router is dying.  You could also try to upgrade the firmware...always a decent shot.  You can also try the unplug, wait a minute and plug back in.  I found that I had some similar problems (but not identical) when I was using WPA encryption...I switched to WEP and that corrected the problem.  You might also reposition your router.  You might also check to see if it's getting overly hot - over heating can cause hardware to act funky.  You might go to a store, pick up a router, put it on the same channel and see if it has the same problem (preferably someplace you can return it without restocking fees).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 05, 2006, 01:29:14 PM
(snip)
obviously Apple planned this for many months.

Have you tried it?

I have...

(http://www.wheelkinetics.com/pics/03-20-06_1201.jpg)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dividebyzero on April 05, 2006, 01:31:12 PM
I can't remember if I'd posted this before, but here goes just in case...
I'm desperately trying to find an AMD Athlon-based PC with the highest end graphics card available, which is all but impossible to find unless you want an equivalent Intel version (which I do not want).

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on April 05, 2006, 02:33:45 PM
I can't remember if I'd posted this before, but here goes just in case...
I'm desperately trying to find an AMD Athlon-based PC with the highest end graphics card available, which is all but impossible to find unless you want an equivalent Intel version (which I do not want).

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

http://www.alienware.com/product_detail_pages/Aurora_m7700/aurora-m_features.aspx?SysCode=PC-LT-AURORA-M-7700&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

http://us.acer.com/acereuro/page4.do?dau22.oid=10478&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=25&CountryISOCtxParam=US&LanguageISOCtxParam=en&crc=256486494

I'm sure there's more...those just come to mind.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 03:33:30 PM
Apple only did this because the open source community already beat them to it.

That's an awfully dumb comment.  The open source XP boot is only 3 weeks old; obviously Apple planned this for many months.


I think that Apple realized that the open source community was going to figure out a way to do it and wanted to beat them to the punch, but failed.  Apple is and always has been about a different way of doing things.  Their competitive advantage has always been their combination of style, novelty, and a group of die hard fans.  They had to switch to a different chip manufacturer because Motorola underdelivered and Intel was the obvious choice.  I am sure that by allowing XP to boot up they will expand market share, but they run a very real risk of alienating the core base of fans that got them to this point.  If they could have prevented it, they would have.  Thanks for the condescension, though, ass.

This has been my thinking today. Apple has, IMHO, turned more into a software company as a result of this Bootup option. What are the issues in getting a dual core PC to run OS-X tiger now? I have heard things about the bios preventing this but I don't have the details handy. I have heard reports of OS-X running on a PC but I have not seen personally nor view any screenshots showing this to be true.

Since we are now living in a "ideal" world where you can run OS-X on a PC and Windows on a Mac shouldn't things boil down to who offers the best and most reliable hardware solutions? I mean, why couldn't I buy a Leveno Thinkpad equipped with OS-X from the factory? Don't get me wrong - Apple produces some of the neatest hardware solutions out there and should continue to do so. That said, why should OS-X officially run on Macs only?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 03:36:03 PM
The quickest fix may be the cheapest. Go into your routers setup and change the data channel from whatever it is (most likely 6) to smething else (try 1 or 11).

I had very similar problems with my new X41 Tablet that drove me nuts. It wasn't until I changed the data channel to 1 that all my problems disappeared. I experience ZERO drops and steady fast rates again.

Oingo

Yes, could be due to interference.  Do you live in an apartment building or in close quarters?  Also, did you recently buy a cordless phone in the 2.4Ghz range?

Not an apartment, it’s a row house, there are four of them connected together, and I’m on the end, then there are four more next to me facing the other street. But it’s an urban setting so there are a lot of people packed into a small area. Same phone I have always had. I changed the channel on the router to 1 like suggested. So far, about 10 mins, no drops, but connection and MPBS is varying between good/great, and 12-54.

Keep trying different channels (2 though 5 and 7 through 11). I had to before I found the channel that gave me the speed AND stability.

Oingo.

Ok, I tried channel 1 for a awhile, its eventually dropped as well. So I was going to try channel 2. But now when I try to log into the online network set-up utility with the default starting IP address I used before, it comes up as a “page not found” screen. Did my changing the channel change the default address?  Now I’m stuck :(

It shouldn't have.  It could just be a hiccup.  This would be when I unplug and plug back in, if it continues.

Ok, I'll try that now, unplug router right?

EIther unplug, or just press reset.  It should have a little recessed reset button somewhere.  A lot do.

Cool off on pressing reset top early - you will lose all your custom settings (WPA key, SSID etc). Try the unplug thing a few times first.

Have you tried each and every channel?

Oingo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 03:44:21 PM
My reset button works a lot more like a re-start button.  I don't lose network info.

I have a crappy linksys wireless B router that erases all setting if reset is pushed. Sorry to all for confusion - your mileage may vary.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 05, 2006, 05:19:34 PM
Hi all thanks for the great tips! So far 2 hours in an channel 11 is working well with NO drops. And my repater just showed up.  ::)

Good stuff :)

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 05, 2006, 07:32:19 PM
This has been my thinking today. Apple has, IMHO, turned more into a software company as a result of this Bootup option. What are the issues in getting a dual core PC to run OS-X tiger now? I have heard things about the bios preventing this but I don't have the details handy. I have heard reports of OS-X running on a PC but I have not seen personally nor view any screenshots showing this to be true.

Since we are now living in a "ideal" world where you can run OS-X on a PC and Windows on a Mac shouldn't things boil down to who offers the best and most reliable hardware solutions? I mean, why couldn't I buy a Leveno Thinkpad equipped with OS-X from the factory? Don't get me wrong - Apple produces some of the neatest hardware solutions out there and should continue to do so. That said, why should OS-X officially run on Macs only?

Oingo

This is illegal as Apple only licenses Mac OS X to operate on Apple Hardware.  There is also a TPM module on Apple computers which allow them to boot OS X, and why a PC will not.  There have been hacks, but it is illegal.  Also, they fustrate the hackers on every 10.4.x release by undoing the last method.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: B.K. on April 06, 2006, 06:27:42 AM
So, I see this was mentioned in the last few pages of threads here, but:

Yesterday, my trust Ibook (G3!) of five years passed away. It was a very sad day for me, but I learned of its imminent death in the best possible place--at the Apple Store. Having this bad news broken to me at the Apple Store, I was simultaneosly told about Boot Camp and MacBookPro. My question to all you computer techies is the following:

1) Do you think this is really a viable option?? By finals ( or midterms) this fall do you think it will be running well enough to legitimately run Windows XP...Also, isn-t the whole idea of this Windows based exam software to lock your access to all other programs on your PC while taking the test? Will this still be effective? Also, in addition to dropping the 2K on the new macBookPro, how much more do you think this will cost? ( How much does it cost to buy the CD to install Windows XP?

I apologize if these questions are on the dummy level, I really know very little about computers; I just know I love Apple and hate PCs!

Thanks for any input.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 06, 2006, 09:29:13 AM
So, I see this was mentioned in the last few pages of threads here, but:

Yesterday, my trust Ibook (G3!) of five years passed away. It was a very sad day for me, but I learned of its imminent death in the best possible place--at the Apple Store. Having this bad news broken to me at the Apple Store, I was simultaneosly told about Boot Camp and MacBookPro. My question to all you computer techies is the following:

1) Do you think this is really a viable option?? By finals ( or midterms) this fall do you think it will be running well enough to legitimately run Windows XP...Also, isn-t the whole idea of this Windows based exam software to lock your access to all other programs on your PC while taking the test? Will this still be effective? Also, in addition to dropping the 2K on the new macBookPro, how much more do you think this will cost? ( How much does it cost to buy the CD to install Windows XP?

I apologize if these questions are on the dummy level, I really know very little about computers; I just know I love Apple and hate PCs!

Thanks for any input.

I have contacted Examsoft and my Examsoft rep at school (before Boot Camp was released).  I told them that I wanted my Mac cleared for summer exam use.  They said, "We are aware of the new capability, are researching it, and hope to give you approval by your summer exams."

The short answer is yes, the lock out should still be effective.  There's really no reason why Examsoft will not approve it.  Frankly, I'd bring my MacBook Pro and just use it on the exam if I wasn't worry about some boy scout trying to turn me in (and then having my exam tied up in honor court). 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: B.K. on April 06, 2006, 09:53:01 AM
So, I see this was mentioned in the last few pages of threads here, but:

Yesterday, my trust Ibook (G3!) of five years passed away. It was a very sad day for me, but I learned of its imminent death in the best possible place--at the Apple Store. Having this bad news broken to me at the Apple Store, I was simultaneosly told about Boot Camp and MacBookPro. My question to all you computer techies is the following:

1) Do you think this is really a viable option?? By finals ( or midterms) this fall do you think it will be running well enough to legitimately run Windows XP...Also, isn-t the whole idea of this Windows based exam software to lock your access to all other programs on your PC while taking the test? Will this still be effective? Also, in addition to dropping the 2K on the new macBookPro, how much more do you think this will cost? ( How much does it cost to buy the CD to install Windows XP?

I apologize if these questions are on the dummy level, I really know very little about computers; I just know I love Apple and hate PCs!

Thanks for any input.

I have contacted Examsoft and my Examsoft rep at school (before Boot Camp was released).  I told them that I wanted my Mac cleared for summer exam use.  They said, "We are aware of the new capability, are researching it, and hope to give you approval by your summer exams."

The short answer is yes, the lock out should still be effective.  There's really no reason why Examsoft will not approve it.  Frankly, I'd bring my MacBook Pro and just use it on the exam if I wasn't worry about some boy scout trying to turn me in (and then having my exam tied up in honor court). 

Hmmmm...interesting. Please keep us posted!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on April 06, 2006, 10:42:31 AM
So, I see this was mentioned in the last few pages of threads here, but:

Yesterday, my trust Ibook (G3!) of five years passed away. It was a very sad day for me, but I learned of its imminent death in the best possible place--at the Apple Store. Having this bad news broken to me at the Apple Store, I was simultaneosly told about Boot Camp and MacBookPro. My question to all you computer techies is the following:

1) Do you think this is really a viable option?? By finals ( or midterms) this fall do you think it will be running well enough to legitimately run Windows XP...Also, isn-t the whole idea of this Windows based exam software to lock your access to all other programs on your PC while taking the test? Will this still be effective? Also, in addition to dropping the 2K on the new macBookPro, how much more do you think this will cost? ( How much does it cost to buy the CD to install Windows XP?

I apologize if these questions are on the dummy level, I really know very little about computers; I just know I love Apple and hate PCs!

Thanks for any input.

I would give people a couple weeks to get it installed on their MacbookPros and get reviews of what works and what doesn't.  AZWildcat did already do it (above).  WindowsXP costs about $100.  It actually got me thinking about the Macbook, except for the weight.  If apple came out with an ultraportable, however...

The intel based ibook is supposed to come out in June, I think. From what I hear it will have a 13.x" widescreen. Since it will be smaller than the Macbook, maybe it will be lighter...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 4DClaw on April 06, 2006, 10:46:54 AM
For those starting law school this fall, how long are you waiting until you buy a laptop? I want to have one long enough to get to know all the shortcuts, quirks, etc. But I'm afraid that if I get it too early, I'll miss out on price cuts. Right now, I'm thinking about waiting until June.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on April 06, 2006, 10:52:06 AM
I plan to buy mine in early August.  I'll just need a couple of weeks to install the necessary programs, transfer my files, and adjust to a smaller keyboard.  I can't imagine needing it earlier, and the longer I wait, the better prices are likely to be.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1908 on April 06, 2006, 10:55:22 AM
I'll most likely purchase my laptop in July or August.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jashdey on April 06, 2006, 11:46:09 AM
I'll probably order mine in June, to give plenty of time for shipping issues and whatnot.

As for the Mac/XP thing - I saw this bit on the BBC and it was news to me.  I assumed it would be a typical dual-boot system like you can do with PC's now (i.e. XP/Linux dual boot), which makes it easy to switch between the two operating systems.

"The trial version of Boot Camp released by Apple only lets owners use one operating system at a time. Switching from one to the other is, currently, a process that takes a while to complete.

Many expect that once the dual start-up software is built in to the next version of OS X, expected in late 2006 or early 2007, the switch between the operating systems will be much smoother."

Rest at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4883482.stm
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 06, 2006, 12:53:05 PM
Many expect that once the dual start-up software is built in to the next version of OS X, expected in late 2006 or early 2007, the switch between the operating systems will be much smoother."

Rest at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4883482.stm

I don't know what to do, myself, because I really want to wait for Leopard (OS 10.5)!  However, if Hobert's right about the release date of the new iBooks, maybe I'll just get one in the summer and upgrade when Leopard becomes available.

My desktop is still on 10.2  :'(
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: azrakunblue on April 06, 2006, 04:21:57 PM
What do you think about this notebook?

http://tinyurl.com/g3o6r

Too heavy? 5.47 lbs. with 40GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW combo drive and 6-cell battery

Thank you for your input. I cannot choose a freaking laptop. Too many choices and limited resources.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: azrakunblue on April 06, 2006, 04:39:07 PM
What do you think about this notebook?

http://tinyurl.com/g3o6r

Too heavy? 5.47 lbs. with 40GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW combo drive and 6-cell battery

Thank you for your input. I cannot choose a freaking laptop. Too many choices and limited resources.

How limited are your resources?  $1000?  If so, that's a good notebook.  I recommend getting the lowest amount of RAM in 1 dimm so can later easily upgrade (for example 512MB in 1 dimm instead of 2 dimms.)  A gig of memory is only about $100 from a place like newegg.com or something.  If you want something lighter and can spend a bit more, Averatec has a very reasonable ultraportable and Gateway has just released an ultraportable at 3.1 lbs.  That starts at $1600.  I'm actually getting very interested in it.

Yes. Pretty much. I would not like to spend more then $1200. I am deciding between this one and Dell 710m. They have good discount going on right now for the 710m. Or should I wait until July/August? Thanks for the good info!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: azrakunblue on April 06, 2006, 05:06:49 PM
What do you think about this notebook?

http://tinyurl.com/g3o6r

Too heavy? 5.47 lbs. with 40GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW combo drive and 6-cell battery

Thank you for your input. I cannot choose a freaking laptop. Too many choices and limited resources.

How limited are your resources?  $1000?  If so, that's a good notebook.  I recommend getting the lowest amount of RAM in 1 dimm so can later easily upgrade (for example 512MB in 1 dimm instead of 2 dimms.)  A gig of memory is only about $100 from a place like newegg.com or something.  If you want something lighter and can spend a bit more, Averatec has a very reasonable ultraportable and Gateway has just released an ultraportable at 3.1 lbs.  That starts at $1600.  I'm actually getting very interested in it.

Yes. Pretty much. I would not like to spend more then $1200. I am deciding between this one and Dell 710m. They have good discount going on right now for the 710m. Or should I wait until July/August? Thanks for the good info!


I'm waiting until late July/early August because you never know what's going to be out then.  I might also recommend the Dell latitude line.  These are more business-y and therefore more durable (probably.)  I've never really heard anything particularly good about the inspiron line.

I have an IT friend who likes his older Inspiron model. Another one complains about the display. Yes, I guess I might weight it out as well. I just get overexcited when I see a discount. I feel like I will miss on a good price.
So far I’ve been pretty much focused only on Dell.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on April 06, 2006, 07:20:50 PM
From Consumer Reports, March 2006

Readers report on more than 134,000 desktop and laptop computers.

These tables show the percentage of desktop and laptop computers purchased new from 2001 to 2005 that were ever repaired or had a serious problem. Differences of less than 4 points are not meaningful for desktops, 3 points for laptops. Gateway was among the more repair-prone brands of desktops. Models within a brand may vary, and changes in design or manufacture may affect reliability. Still, choosing a brand with a good repair history can improve your odds of getting a reliable model.

DESKTOPS

                      REPAIRS
Apple                   11
Sony                    15
Dell                    15
eMachines               17
IBM                     18
Compaq                  19
HP                      19
Gateway                 21


Data, based on more than 85,000 responses to our 2005 Annual Questionnaire, have been adjusted to eliminate differences among brands attributable to age.

LAPTOPS

                      REPAIRS
Sony                    16
IBM                     16
Toshiba                 17
Apple                   17
HP                      18
Dell                    18
Compaq                  19
Gateway                 19


Data, based on more than 49,000 responses to our 2005 Annual Questionnaire, have been adjusted to eliminate differences among brands attributable to age.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on April 06, 2006, 07:27:48 PM
For what it's worth, the laptop we had trouble with (keyboard, screen, and motherboard) is a two-year-old latitude d610.

There seem to be some pretty well-informed posters on this thread.  Would any of you care to comment on my husband's latest contribution to my laptop-buying process?: 'All (pc) laptop manufacturers buy component parts form the same companies anyway. It's customer service that counts.'  I dunno about that, but I do think it's true that almost all laptops that are carried around have issues.  It's possible that Dell is worse than other brands, but at least in my experience the customer service is good.

I wouldn't call him a liar or anything but what he says is more true now than it was in the past.  Components are becoming a little more standardized.  However, not all notebooks are made the same.  There's definitely engineering that goes on in the creation of a notebook.  Poor engineering/design can result in a machine that is unstable and encounters frequent problems.  Even the thermal compound between the CPU and heat sink can make a significant difference in a laptop.  There are a lot of ways to cut corners and make a bad machine and some manufacturers do just that - and they pass the savings on to you.  Sometimes it's ok to be a little bad if the machine is just a glorified desktop but if it needs to move around contstantly and take a beating you'll start to see the effects of poor design and cheap components.  My brother's in IT and carries a laptop everywhere and has killed many machines in his day; now he'll only buy Thinkpads because he knows he can drop it down a flight of stairs and it has the best chance of survival.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 06, 2006, 08:02:57 PM
For what it's worth, the laptop we had trouble with (keyboard, screen, and motherboard) is a two-year-old latitude d610.

There seem to be some pretty well-informed posters on this thread.  Would any of you care to comment on my husband's latest contribution to my laptop-buying process?: 'All (pc) laptop manufacturers buy component parts form the same companies anyway. It's customer service that counts.'  I dunno about that, but I do think it's true that almost all laptops that are carried around have issues.  It's possible that Dell is worse than other brands, but at least in my experience the customer service is good.

I wouldn't call him a liar or anything but what he says is more true now than it was in the past.  Components are becoming a little more standardized.  However, not all notebooks are made the same.  There's definitely engineering that goes on in the creation of a notebook.  Poor engineering/design can result in a machine that is unstable and encounters frequent problems.  Even the thermal compound between the CPU and heat sink can make a significant difference in a laptop.  There are a lot of ways to cut corners and make a bad machine and some manufacturers do just that - and they pass the savings on to you.  Sometimes it's ok to be a little bad if the machine is just a glorified desktop but if it needs to move around contstantly and take a beating you'll start to see the effects of poor design and cheap components.  My brother's in IT and carries a laptop everywhere and has killed many machines in his day; now he'll only buy Thinkpads because he knows he can drop it down a flight of stairs and it has the best chance of survival.

Drop down a flight of stairs? <winces>

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on April 06, 2006, 09:41:30 PM
Guys, have you heard anything about Acer Aspire notebooks?  They're a lot cheaper than Thinkpads -- almost "too good to be true" cheaper. :-\

http://www.kehtron.com/

FWIW, I have used an acer for 2 years.  It's a travelmate 290 with a centrino chipset, Pentium M 1.3 GHz, extra long battery life, CDRW/DVD, 80 gig hd, etc.  The great thing is that it is cheap.  It has worked very well for me (except the hard drive died, but that's replacable).  I like it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 06, 2006, 09:59:25 PM
Good data.

PS - To anyone who cares...I'm really feeling the Toshiba Portege R200.  It's a wafer.  Heroin chic thin.  I'm hoping that the new processor architecture will be incorporated by July when I purchase. 

A real nice machine. 0.7 inches thick? Sick man!

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: kmpnj on April 07, 2006, 12:26:01 AM
Just bought the Dell Inspiron 1700.  Extra RAM and all the bells and whistles.  Only $1600 and I got an extra 8 cell battery and the leather case for free.  All in all, not a bad deal.  Super light, too.  Which balances the 500 lbs in law books I'll be lugging around. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: kmpnj on April 07, 2006, 12:42:50 AM
Sorry, I meant the 710.  I just finished studying, so I'm a bit punchy.  Here's the link:



http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/entnb_710m?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sharsky on April 07, 2006, 06:51:00 AM
I decided on the IBM Thinkpad T43:

Pentium M 740(1.7GHz), 2X512MB RAM , 60GB (with an 80GB external) 5400rpm HD, 14.1in 1024x768 LCD, 64MB ATI Radeon X300, CDRW/DVD, Intel 802.11bg wireless, Modem, 1Gb Ethernet, UltraNav, Secure chip, Fingerprint reader, 6c Li-Ion batt, WinXP Pro

Feels good to be finished with the hunt!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 07, 2006, 07:38:55 AM
I decided on the IBM Thinkpad T43:

Pentium M 740(1.7GHz), 2X512MB RAM , 60GB (with an 80GB external) 5400rpm HD, 14.1in 1024x768 LCD, 64MB ATI Radeon X300, CDRW/DVD, Intel 802.11bg wireless, Modem, 1Gb Ethernet, UltraNav, Secure chip, Fingerprint reader, 6c Li-Ion batt, WinXP Pro

Feels good to be finished with the hunt!


Good deal :) A fine machine that is recommended equipment at a lot of schools (including Utah and BYU). Did you look at the T60?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sharsky on April 07, 2006, 08:05:45 AM
I decided on the IBM Thinkpad T43:

Pentium M 740(1.7GHz), 2X512MB RAM , 60GB (with an 80GB external) 5400rpm HD, 14.1in 1024x768 LCD, 64MB ATI Radeon X300, CDRW/DVD, Intel 802.11bg wireless, Modem, 1Gb Ethernet, UltraNav, Secure chip, Fingerprint reader, 6c Li-Ion batt, WinXP Pro

Feels good to be finished with the hunt!


Good deal :) A fine machine that is recommended equipment at a lot of schools (including Utah and BYU). Did you look at the T60?

Oingo

I checked out the T60, since I heard about the more powerful Core Duo Chip.  But I went to two different sales reps who both said that the benefits of the Dual chip can't be fully extracted with WinXP and that it will work better with the Vista.  And when the Vista comes out, the price of the comps with the chip will probably be a lot cheaper.  I was told that if using XPPro, the pentium chip would be faster (I think the clock speed is faster) than the latest Duo chips.  I'm not a computer guru by any means, but for my intended use, I didn't think that getting the T60 was worth it!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: The Spanish Teacher on April 07, 2006, 08:25:11 AM
sharsky - how much did you pay for your T43? also, did you get a three year extended warranty?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sharsky on April 07, 2006, 08:54:03 AM
sharsky - how much did you pay for your T43? also, did you get a three year extended warranty?

I got the 3 year warranty and it came with MS Office...
But I also have a brother that works for IBM so I got the Employee and Friends discount.
It was about $2000 Canadian, since I got the extra 512MB Ram and 80GB external HD.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: azrakunblue on April 07, 2006, 09:04:48 AM
Sorry, I meant the 710.  I just finished studying, so I'm a bit punchy.  Here's the link:

How do you like it? I am thinking about buying the same one and I heard good and back thinks about it.


http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/entnb_710m?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~ck=mn

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: double_ugh on April 07, 2006, 01:47:32 PM
i'm an idiot when it comes to computers. dimms...y is 1 better than 2? i thought it referred to the slots where u can put the memory...?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on April 07, 2006, 03:02:28 PM
sharsky - how much did you pay for your T43? also, did you get a three year extended warranty?

I got the 3 year warranty and it came with MS Office...
But I also have a brother that works for IBM so I got the Employee and Friends discount.
It was about $2000 Canadian, since I got the extra 512MB Ram and 80GB external HD.

Congrats  ;D  I bought my wife a T43 today as well. Though for her I stuck with just the 512MB of RAM and went with the base warranty. Everything else is the same including our 80GB external HD ;) I also used the employee discount throug a friend and former coworker who now works at IBM in RTP.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 08, 2006, 06:37:10 PM
There is probably a topic like this already, but I couldn't find it in this board.

I am looking at the Gateway CX200 -- some of the tablet stuff looks cool -- but I am concerned about it only coming with Windows XP Tablet PC, which I don't know anything about, and about the less robust wireless capabilities (not Centrino).  Anyone have an opinion?

Several people seem to have had bad experiences with Dells.

One good bit of advice I did see was that a lot of notebooks come with a three year service / support option, and if you could manage to hold off buying one until July it would have the coverage through when you took the bar exam, just in case something tragic happened your third year...

Pass36,

Did you end up buying the CX200 or did you <chuckle chuckle> "pass?"

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 01100110011 on April 08, 2006, 08:12:40 PM
has anyone heard if law schools will let students use Macs now that they have the new Boot Camp software that allows native running of Windows? 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 09, 2006, 12:32:56 AM
has anyone heard if law schools will let students use Macs now that they have the new Boot Camp software that allows native running of Windows? 

I emailed the tech people at Penn about it and they said they will contact ExamSoft to make sure there are no compatibility issues... but she basically said, "we're very excited about this new development."

I went crying to her at the ASW, begging her to let me use my baby.   :)

(Though actually I will have to buy Baby #2, since I'll need a Mac with an Intel processor... but still, at least I can buy I computer that I want, instead of one I have to get.)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 09, 2006, 02:49:38 AM
has anyone heard if law schools will let students use Macs now that they have the new Boot Camp software that allows native running of Windows? 

I am a current Examsoft user and have requested clearance to use my MacBook Pro for summer exams.  Examsoft said, "We are looking at the issue and expect to clear the MacBook Pro soon."

Needless to say, Examsoft would love to clear it because it would stop the pressure they're feeling to build a Mac client.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: The Spanish Teacher on April 09, 2006, 09:03:56 AM
How much do you think it will be to upgrade to OS X Leopard when it comes out later this year?  And how long until the 12 inch MacBook Pro comes out?  Would it be worth waiting until both of those two items come out?

Also, does anyone have a clue as to whether (or when) Dell's latitude line will move over to the Core-Duo architecture?  Should that concern even affect one's decision on which computer to get?

And, is the Sony VAIO TX series tough enough to withstand three years of law school use?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 09, 2006, 02:05:56 PM
How much do you think it will be to upgrade to OS X Leopard when it comes out later this year?  And how long until the 12 inch MacBook Pro comes out?  Would it be worth waiting until both of those two items come out?

I don't know if you mean a MacBook specifically, but the 13 inch iBooks will be released in June. 

**happy dance**
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: weberik on April 10, 2006, 10:25:56 AM
Quote
has anyone heard if law schools will let students use Macs now that they have the new Boot Camp software that allows native running of Windows?

I've sent emails to ExamSoft, Software Secure, and CompuTest. The only one that has replied back so far has been CompuTest (makers of Electronic Blue Book). They've told me they're in the process of evaluating Boot Camp. I assume the other two companies are doing the same.

As I get official word from these companies, I'll post the information on Mac Law Students.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: PetetheDrummer on April 10, 2006, 05:59:21 PM
I just read through this entire thread, and I now have absolutely NO IDEA which laptop to get. Thanks guys  :P ;D :D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on April 10, 2006, 07:23:17 PM
I just read through this entire thread, and I now have absolutely NO IDEA which laptop to get. Thanks guys  :P ;D :D

TITCR
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 10, 2006, 08:36:06 PM
I just read through this entire thread, and I now have absolutely NO IDEA which laptop to get. Thanks guys  :P ;D :D

Your welcome :)

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on April 10, 2006, 10:19:07 PM
The B130 is way too heavy.  I'm considering the M140, but these days I'm leaning toward the 710m.  The small screen's a concern, so I want to check it out in person before I decide.

I keep hearing bad things about Dells, but honestly, the actual repair numbers are pretty even across the board.  (IBM and Sony are a bit better, but the price'll kill you.)  Laptops just don't hold up very well.  If you're concerned about durability, get a good warranty/service plan.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: kmpnj on April 10, 2006, 10:35:26 PM
I just bought the 710 Inspirion from Dell.  I got all of the bells and whistles and it only cost about $1600.  I built the same computer online last week and it would have cost over 2 grand.  If you buy the dell, go to the kiosk.  My price was a lot less than had I bought online.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on April 10, 2006, 11:06:15 PM
Hard to say.  If you want semi-informed opinions, post the specs of your current machine, and give us an idea of what you want to do with your laptop.  After all, if you've got decent battery life and the thing doesn't weigh nine pounds, there's no reason you can't keep using an old machine for web browsing, word processing, etc.  But if you want the best in media and games... well, whatever you do, your machine will be totally outclassed by the time you graduate.  Owning a laptop means resigning yourself to a growing sense of envy as each shiny new thing comes out.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on April 11, 2006, 07:02:29 AM
i have a toshiba satellite m35-s359. it might be a little big for law school (15.4" wide screen, 6-7 lbs), and right now the battery lasts about 5 minutes, but i think if i buy a new battery that will be fine.

You're right, that's pretty big.  I once owned a similarly sized HP, and found it far too big to carry around on a daily basis.  Sadly, the M30 series never got very good battery life-- about 3 hours-- so I'm concerned that a new battery will just disappoint you, especially considering that you'd probably have to replace it again in a year or two.  If I were you, I'd sell the Toshiba and get something newer and smaller.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 11, 2006, 08:46:26 AM
i have a toshiba satellite m35-s359. it might be a little big for law school (15.4" wide screen, 6-7 lbs), and right now the battery lasts about 5 minutes, but i think if i buy a new battery that will be fine.

You're right, that's pretty big.  I once owned a similarly sized HP, and found it far too big to carry around on a daily basis.  Sadly, the M30 series never got very good battery life-- about 3 hours-- so I'm concerned that a new battery will just disappoint you, especially considering that you'd probably have to replace it again in a year or two.  If I were you, I'd sell the Toshiba and get something newer and smaller.

Tag. I dumped my wife's laptop for the same reason(s). Battery life was horrible and the thing weighed 7-8 pounds. I used to bring it with me to work and I'd have to huff that thing along with all the other junk I carry up some pretty steep stairs on the way to my car. It got old pretty quick. Something else to consider is fan noise - not that much of a deal in class but possibly annoying in a quiet setting. My wife's laptop features a DESKTOP 2.4 Ghz Pentium processor that required a 50 knot wind to cool down - seriously.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on April 11, 2006, 10:13:50 AM
Why, why did I go to apple's site and look at the MacBook Pro?
James Brown's Sex Machine comes to mind.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: PetetheDrummer on April 11, 2006, 12:25:08 PM
I just bought the 710 Inspirion from Dell.  I got all of the bells and whistles and it only cost about $1600.  I built the same computer online last week and it would have cost over 2 grand.  If you buy the dell, go to the kiosk.  My price was a lot less than had I bought online.

There's a 34% off sale for these on the dell website btw, maybe that's the deal they gave you.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on April 11, 2006, 01:41:27 PM
how does one go about selling a used laptop?

I'd just sell it on eBay, if I were you.  You can search completed listings to get a sense of how much it's likely to sell for.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 11, 2006, 03:29:20 PM
i have a toshiba satellite m35-s359. it might be a little big for law school (15.4" wide screen, 6-7 lbs), and right now the battery lasts about 5 minutes, but i think if i buy a new battery that will be fine.

You're right, that's pretty big.  I once owned a similarly sized HP, and found it far too big to carry around on a daily basis.  Sadly, the M30 series never got very good battery life-- about 3 hours-- so I'm concerned that a new battery will just disappoint you, especially considering that you'd probably have to replace it again in a year or two.  If I were you, I'd sell the Toshiba and get something newer and smaller.

Tag. I dumped my wife's laptop for the same reason(s). Battery life was horrible and the thing weighed 7-8 pounds. I used to bring it with me to work and I'd have to huff that thing along with all the other junk I carry up some pretty steep stairs on the way to my car. It got old pretty quick. Something else to consider is fan noise - not that much of a deal in class but possibly annoying in a quiet setting. My wife's laptop features a DESKTOP 2.4 Ghz Pentium processor that required a 50 knot wind to cool down - seriously.

Oingo

yeah, i've been carrying this around a lot recently to work on papers in the library, etc. and it's a huge pain in the ass. even though it's pretty thin, it still feels very big and heavy. the 710m looks great because it's smaller and only 4ish lbs, but at the same time i'm not sure if i'd be bothered by the smaller screen now that i'm used to a larger one.

how does one go about selling a used laptop?

I have real crappy eyesight and for the most part I do well with my X41 tablets 12.1 inch screen. I think viewing angle sometimes means more than anything else ie My wife's laptop screen is a pain in the a$$ to view at anything other than "straight on." Some of the nice glossy widescreens you see at Compusa et al look nice in dim lit environments but drive you crazy with the reflections from flourescent lighting found in most environments.

To each his/her own.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: whoisjohngalt on April 13, 2006, 02:19:46 PM
How much do you think it will be to upgrade to OS X Leopard when it comes out later this year?  And how long until the 12 inch MacBook Pro comes out?  Would it be worth waiting until both of those two items come out?

I don't know if you mean a MacBook specifically, but the 13 inch iBooks will be released in June. 

**happy dance**

Correction, Apple is switching to two laptops, the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.  Checkout www.appleinsider.com for more info.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on April 13, 2006, 02:38:19 PM
How much do you think it will be to upgrade to OS X Leopard when it comes out later this year?  And how long until the 12 inch MacBook Pro comes out?  Would it be worth waiting until both of those two items come out?

I don't know if you mean a MacBook specifically, but the 13 inch iBooks will be released in June. 

**happy dance**

Correction, Apple is switching to two laptops, the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.  Checkout www.appleinsider.com for more info.

Oh, I think I saw my info on macrumors.com (or maybe a different site?) -- is appleinsider.com more accurate?

Interesting about the possibility of reintroducing colors. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jashdey on April 13, 2006, 02:41:05 PM
The IT guy here at my job said that Windows runs faster on his Mac using Boot Camp than it does on a PC.

I had fully decided on a Thinkpad tablet, but now I'm wondering if I should look into the new Macs this summer.  Gah.  I'll probably still go with the Thinkpad, just because I absolutely do not want to have problems with ExamSoft come December...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Hobert on April 13, 2006, 02:59:40 PM
How much do you think it will be to upgrade to OS X Leopard when it comes out later this year?  And how long until the 12 inch MacBook Pro comes out?  Would it be worth waiting until both of those two items come out?

I don't know if you mean a MacBook specifically, but the 13 inch iBooks will be released in June. 

**happy dance**

Correction, Apple is switching to two laptops, the MacBook and the MacBook Pro.  Checkout www.appleinsider.com for more info.

I think most people refering to the new iBook, meant the iBook replacement. I had also heard previously about the MacBook and MacBook Pro distinctions.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 13, 2006, 03:53:30 PM
The IT guy here at my job said that Windows runs faster on his Mac using Boot Camp than it does on a PC.

I had fully decided on a Thinkpad tablet, but now I'm wondering if I should look into the new Macs this summer.  Gah.  I'll probably still go with the Thinkpad, just because I absolutely do not want to have problems with ExamSoft come December...

I was in a similar position last month, weeks before Apple's announcement. Tough call - I would actually give the new 13.3 inch intel based iBooks a hard look before spending any dough. If I had to do it all over again and I knew about the iBooks I *might* have changed my purchase. That said, I do love my X41 tablet :)

The Macbook pro is just too darn expensive and frankly even though it is pretty light for its size, it is still too big for my tastes.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jashdey on April 13, 2006, 04:02:53 PM
I suppose I'm not planning on purchasing a new laptop until June/July anyway, and the new iBooks should (reportedly) be shipping by then.  Maybe ExamSoft will have an answer this summer also - it seems that they'd be slammed with inquiries over this once the intel Mac laptops are more widely available.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Karl Pilkington on April 24, 2006, 12:30:48 PM
Just ordered a Lenovo T60. A friend gave me his employee discount, so I managed to get a 14" upgraded screen, 1.83 Dual-core processor, 1GB ram, 80GB HD, DVD-RW drive, extra battery, and 3 years of onsite service for about $1400.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 24, 2006, 12:47:09 PM
Just ordered a Lenovo T60. A friend gave me his employee discount, so I managed to get a 14" upgraded screen, 1.83 Dual-core processor, 1GB ram, 80GB HD, DVD-RW drive, extra battery, and 3 years of onsite service for about $1400.

Sweet! Lucky dog :) Let us know how it works out for you.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: WinnieCooper on April 24, 2006, 01:00:19 PM
Does anyone know the current status of Examsoft for Macs?  I am considering a school that specifically says do not get a Mac because you can't even run Examsoft using virtual PC.  I thought the Mac version of it was ready, though.  Am I wrong?  I really want an i book!!!!!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 24, 2006, 01:27:31 PM
Does anyone know the current status of Examsoft for Macs?  I am considering a school that specifically says do not get a Mac because you can't even run Examsoft using virtual PC.  I thought the Mac version of it was ready, though.  Am I wrong?  I really want an i book!!!!!

We should have Examsoft's official blessing for Boot Camp this summer.  You need to wait for the Intel iBooks/MacBooks to appear though!

Virtual PC is a "virtual machine" for running XP on Power PCs running Mac OS X.  Examsoft bans its use because it cannot lock down the Mac OS, only XP.  Boot Camp changes this which is why everyone expects Examsoft to give it's approval.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 24, 2006, 01:29:42 PM
Does anyone know the current status of Examsoft for Macs?  I am considering a school that specifically says do not get a Mac because you can't even run Examsoft using virtual PC.  I thought the Mac version of it was ready, though.  Am I wrong?  I really want an i book!!!!!

Schools don't buy the license for the Mac version.  You could always run boot camp with XP...

Examsoft does not have a Mac version.  Most schools explicitly bans Macs from exams, so unless you want to use Boot Camp, risk someone turning you in and then going before the honor court with an exam held in limbo, you need to wait for the schools to allow the Intel Macs with Boot Camp.  Obviously schools will allow it when Examsoft allows it; official word is expected this summer.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on April 24, 2006, 04:52:03 PM
The IT guy here at my job said that Windows runs faster on his Mac using Boot Camp than it does on a PC.

That's probably because it's the first laptop with dual core and a strong graphics card that he got to try.  It sounds (according to benchmarks) that any dual core machine with a good graphics card is going to noticeably outperform almost all single core, single processor machines.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 24, 2006, 05:40:11 PM
The IT guy here at my job said that Windows runs faster on his Mac using Boot Camp than it does on a PC.

That's probably because it's the first laptop with dual core and a strong graphics card that he got to try.  It sounds (according to benchmarks) that any dual core machine with a good graphics card is going to noticeably outperform almost all single core, single processor machines.

Interesting note... Apple has severely cripped the clock speed of the X1600 graphics card to cut down on heat (low fan levels) and increase battery life.

CNet and PC World called the Apples just as fast, if not faster however.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: whoisjohngalt on April 25, 2006, 09:17:36 AM
Apple just came out with the 17" MacbookPro.  www.apple.com

There is pretty much no reason to purchase this for law school, but thought some people might like to drool over it for awhile.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: saradylan3 on April 25, 2006, 09:21:55 AM
Hey, has anyone heard anything about the Sharp m4000? I posted this question elsewhere with no response... anyone? (I searched it, hope you haven't already had a twelve page discussion on it!)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on April 25, 2006, 09:14:59 PM
Yeah, but at the end of the day, if the mac is running xp, then it's just a more stylish pc, and if style is the only difference, who cares?  i mean, yes, it's more secure, less prone to crash, etc. but practically speaking, isn't one of the biggest differences between a mac and a pc really just the difference between osx and xp?  and if that isn't a difference anymore, then what's the point in getting all fired up over it being a mac?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 25, 2006, 09:24:13 PM
Yeah, but at the end of the day, if the mac is running xp, then it's just a more stylish pc, and if style is the only difference, who cares?  i mean, yes, it's more secure, less prone to crash, etc. but practically speaking, isn't one of the biggest differences between a mac and a pc really just the difference between osx and xp?  and if that isn't a difference anymore, then what's the point in getting all fired up over it being a mac?

Yes, OS X is a wonder next to XP.  The reason everyone is so fired up is they no longer have to make decisions over computer platforms based on one or two rogue, yet "must have" pieces of software. (See e.g. Examsoft)  Ninety percent (if not more) of the software you *use* in XP has a OS X version.  For about half of the remaining 10%, there is equivalent OS X software, and the remaining 5% are either programs you can do without or are must have.  
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on April 25, 2006, 09:28:24 PM
Look -- my point is that if you take a mac and put XP on it, you're really taking the heart out of it.  So why the excitement about XP running on a mac, especially now when most software (IE, Word, Firefox, Photoshop, and every other relevant piece of software today) runs on both XP and OSX?

What is the point of XP on a mac?

I guess it's just that 5% of the time when you dual boot into XP?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on April 25, 2006, 09:36:05 PM
I can understand the Examsoft thing, definitely.  In fact, it makes me want to consider the Mac Book Pro, as a windows user who has always wanted to try using a mac.

I guess I am confused by anyone who is just excited to see xp on the mac in general for reasons other than that, but I could be taking a very narrow look at the whole thing.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 25, 2006, 09:37:54 PM
I can understand the Examsoft thing, definitely.  In fact, it makes me want to consider the Mac Book Pro, as a windows user who has always wanted to try using a mac.

I guess I am confused by anyone who is just excited to see xp on the mac in general for reasons other than that, but I could be taking a very narrow look at the whole thing.

That's why everyone is excited.  The 5% of software that you may NEED is now accessible (at full speed). 

You should try an Apple.  Apple hardware is the best in the business, and in the event you don't like OS X (if that's possible), you'll have a very nice, powerful, well built Windows machine.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on April 25, 2006, 09:41:06 PM
I am pretty familiar with macs.  In journalism school everything is done on a mac, because that's what 95% of newsrooms use in real life, so I got a lot of use out of them in college.  I like the os about as well as I like xp, and that's only because xp has made serious strides.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 25, 2006, 09:45:00 PM
I am pretty familiar with macs.  In journalism school everything is done on a mac, because that's what 95% of newsrooms use in real life, so I got a lot of use out of them in college.  I like the os about as well as I like xp, and that's only because xp has made serious strides.

Have you used OS X since 10.4?  Spotlight especially puts XP back in the dark ages.  I no longer use the finder; it's faster to use Spotlight to open programs.  Then all of the thoughtful nuances:  Being able to turn any picture folder into an instant slide show, right clicking any word anywhere for a spell check, etc.  

My dual G5 has been running for 8 months without a reboot... and it normally has 6-9 programs open (including Photoshop, Safari, Mail, Word, and Excel).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on April 25, 2006, 09:53:15 PM
I have not used it since spotlight.  For what it's worth, I purchased a new PC in December, and have had no problems or reboots (save for program installations) since then.

Of course, I should note that I innoculated the crap out of the system, installed a couple of anti-spyware suites, and refuse to load internet explorer, ever, except to test the layout of my website.

I am down to considering a Vaio FJ series or a Macbook Pro for law school, and have to admit that both of these are based on style points.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on April 25, 2006, 10:03:15 PM
And everyone is 100% certain that examsoft will run 100% smoothly on XP running on a Mac?  What about the filesystem -- is that going to be the same filesystem that XP runs on on a PC?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 26, 2006, 12:09:26 AM
I can understand the Examsoft thing, definitely.  In fact, it makes me want to consider the Mac Book Pro, as a windows user who has always wanted to try using a mac.

I guess I am confused by anyone who is just excited to see xp on the mac in general for reasons other than that, but I could be taking a very narrow look at the whole thing.

No you are dead on about the software.  Mac aficianados (sp?) are thrilled because the one justification for not buying a Mac (the "5%" software) that people give is not available anymore.

But Mac purists will ultimately not like the switch to Intel chips. Because it's equally possible to dual boot OS X onto XP computers.  The competitive advantage is going to switch from 90% OS and 10% style to 100% style.  And that's much harder to keep up, I think.

i read (i am not too much a tech-geek so i could be completely wrong about this) that the switch was due to PowerPC processors being too hot.... apparently in order to up the GhZ would require too much power/give off too much heat...


As far as your comment about the OS and style and such.... i agree to a certain extent, but if they can get people to buy apple computers, i think developers would be more inclined to create OSX software... again, i am just speculating... .either way i think apple is heading in a good direction... i have never heard so many people talking about getting macs as i have since the macbook launch.


Yeah but once OS X can boot on an XP, will that talk remain or subside?

And Motorola was notoriously unreliable about delivering chips in a timely fashion, but the heat issue contributed too, I'm sure.  G5 laptops weren't happening.

Actually, the "irony" is two months after Apple's announcement to change to Intel, IBM announced a low power G5.  The fact remains that IBM was not moving fast enough for Apple, so the fact that they actually do have a cool G5 is somewhat moot.

That said, in many G5 vs Core Duo (running native), the G5 still is winning.  The G5 is a hell of a chip.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 26, 2006, 12:10:15 AM
And everyone is 100% certain that examsoft will run 100% smoothly on XP running on a Mac?  What about the filesystem -- is that going to be the same filesystem that XP runs on on a PC?

Examsoft runs great on my MacBook Pro running FAT32.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AZWildcat on April 26, 2006, 12:11:36 AM
if my school ok'd it, i suspect many more will as well... of course this is also pure speculation... it just seems logical is all.

USD said they expect to "OK" me for summer exams.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 1908 on April 26, 2006, 05:26:52 AM
Bender,

What school approved the MacBook Pro?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on April 26, 2006, 06:24:04 AM
And everyone is 100% certain that examsoft will run 100% smoothly on XP running on a Mac?  What about the filesystem -- is that going to be the same filesystem that XP runs on on a PC?

Examsoft runs great on my MacBook Pro running FAT32.

That's really neat, actually.  I'll have to trek myself down to the local apple store on my lunch break today and see what the fuss is all about.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: law123 on May 25, 2006, 10:38:44 AM
Oingo, mugatu, anyone else,
Does this sound like a good deal (I am using the EPP Discount):

Thinkpad, X60 (non-tablet) with these upgrades:
1GB RAM (from 512)
8 cell battery (from 4 cell)
3 year warranty (from 1 yr.)
TOTAL: $1,480

Some questions:
I don't know much about this stuff....how will not having an optical drive affect me for law school? 
What is an ultrabay device? Do I need one?
Since it doesn't come with an optical drive or a floppy drive, is that a problem?  How should I back up my docs, etc.?
What is the difference b/w these warranties (they are the same price):
--"Extended Service Contract 3 year Depot Repair"-92
--"Warranty Service Upgrade, 3 year"-$92
**both come with "Onsite" repair instead of depot repair for $172, what is the differnce and is it worth it?
There is also a more $$$ warranty called 3 year Thinkpad Protection, anyone know what this may mean?  Oingo, do You remember which warranty option you got?

Is $80 a good price for OneNote2003
MS Office Basic 2003 for 116?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tiwaz on May 25, 2006, 11:56:11 AM
If your school requires the use of a floppy drive, you could always buy an external one.  I have one that connects by USB; it's very easy to use and works great on the rare occasions that I need it.  I'd definitely recommend you get an external CD drive at minimum.  You won't need it on a regular basis, but it'll come in handy when you need to load software.

To me, "depot repair" suggests you'd have to mail your laptop in for repairs.  Thus, onsite coverage would be more convenient in the case of a problem, as you wouldn't have to give up your laptop for as long a period of time.

$80 sounds a little steep for OneNote, but $116 isn't too bad for Office.  (Office is a must-have, but OneNote's just a nifty little extra.  If you haven't already, try downloading the 60-day free trial from Microsoft and decide if it's something you'd use.)  I'd suggest checking with your school to see what kind of discount they offer on software.

I'm no expert on Thinkpads, as I opted for a Dell 710m, but that price sounds pretty good to me.  The EPP discount must be rather substantial.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: law123 on May 25, 2006, 12:15:21 PM
Yeah, the EPP discount for the X series currently stands at 25% but they change week to week.  The T and Z series discounts are not as high, I think 15-20%.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: TX06 on May 25, 2006, 12:50:46 PM
how good is the apple warranty compared to the dell complete care warranty. do they have anything similar?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: B.K. on May 25, 2006, 03:37:59 PM
Yeah, the EPP discount for the X series currently stands at 25% but they change week to week.  The T and Z series discounts are not as high, I think 15-20%.


Damn...does anyone have an extra EPP discount code lying around? I would LOVE to find one, unfortunately I know NO one who works for IBM.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 25, 2006, 05:16:33 PM
Oingo (or anyone else)

What's the "base" warranty from Lenovo?  I've been having a hard time finding a description of it.

Three years of mail in service. After talking with the support line a month or two ago I found out that they try to get machines turned around in 48 hours or less. I paid an extra $117 to turn my warranty into 3 years of on-site service.

Ward,

You are getting one heck of a deal. I paid about $50 dollars more for my BASE X41 tablet. That configuration you ordered will serve you well - it *might* even be overkill for LS.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: law123 on May 25, 2006, 06:03:09 PM
Oingo (or anyone else)

What's the "base" warranty from Lenovo?  I've been having a hard time finding a description of it.

Three years of mail in service. After talking with the support line a month or two ago I found out that they try to get machines turned around in 48 hours or less. I paid an extra $117 to turn my warranty into 3 years of on-site service.

Ward,

You are getting one heck of a deal. I paid about $50 dollars more for my BASE X41 tablet. That configuration you ordered will serve you well - it *might* even be overkill for LS.

Oingo



As it turns out, I may not even need go for that deal....an old boss has offered this to me:

$600
Thinkpad T42--he purchased in Aug 2005
1GB RAM, 40Gb Hard drive
Pentim M 1.7Ghz
CD/DVD drive
No Warranty

Do you think this is a better deal?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 25, 2006, 07:40:43 PM
As it turns out, I may not even need go for that deal....an old boss has offered this to me:

$600
Thinkpad T42--he purchased in Aug 2005
1GB RAM, 40Gb Hard drive
Pentim M 1.7Ghz
CD/DVD drive
No Warranty

Do you think this is a better deal?


It's not bad...if it breaks you can buy another laptop for $800 and be no worse for wear.


Thinkpad, X60 (non-tablet) with these upgrades:
1GB RAM (from 512)
8 cell battery (from 4 cell)
3 year warranty (from 1 yr.)
TOTAL: $1,480

I think 1,480 is pretty good with the EPP on the specs you listed for the new X60, but I would need to know the specific model number you were looking at in order to compare it to other options


I don't know much about this stuff....how will not having an optical drive affect me for law school? 

Possibly not at all.  You might want to get an external drive to install software or make CDs/DVDs (depending on your needs).  If all you need is an external USB CD/DVD drive, they can be gotten pretty cheaply.


Some questions:
Since it doesn't come with an optical drive or a floppy drive, is that a problem?  How should I back up my docs, etc.?

Like someone said, USB floppy drives are pretty easy to pick up.  You could backup some of your data to your school's network and for other stuff you could get an external USB harddrive for a reasonable price online.


What is the difference b/w these warranties (they are the same price):
--"Extended Service Contract 3 year Depot Repair"-92
--"Warranty Service Upgrade, 3 year"-$92
**both come with "Onsite" repair instead of depot repair for $172, what is the differnce and is it worth it?
There is also a more $$$ warranty called 3 year Thinkpad Protection, anyone know what this may mean?  Oingo, do You remember which warranty option you got?

I think Depot repair means the machine gets sent to a specific location and back to you.

I think Warranty service upgrade is for those machines that have a basic warranty that lasts a year...you can extend it to 3 years.

Onsite means they come to your site the next business day and fix it there.

Thinkpad protection provides the accidental damage warranty, plus everything else (it too comes in depot, and onsite flavors).

The regular warranty, as I understand it, only applies to defective parts.  So they'll fix it for free if it is their fault but not if it is your fault.  They know it is their fault if quite a few people have the same problem.  If you're the only one with the problem, a manufacturer may think it is your fault even if it wasn't...if you have accidental damage coverage then these distinctions don't matter as much.

You can use the EPP discount over the phone, so if you buy a Thinkpad new you should just call and have them walk you through the warranty options and what they mean.


Is $80 a good price for OneNote2003
MS Office Basic 2003 for 116?

Not really and not really.  Some schools give OneNote away to their student for free.  Some schools will sell you an Academic copy of Office Professional for a little more than half that price and Office Basic for a little less than half that price.  Some schools almost give away Office.  Check with the school you're attending before you buy Office from anyone.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: 140am on May 25, 2006, 08:20:56 PM
at penn state undergrad, they did give away ms office professional for free.  i mean, it cost us nothing, and it was a full version.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: law123 on May 25, 2006, 09:15:44 PM
As it turns out, I may not even need go for that deal....an old boss has offered this to me:

$600
Thinkpad T42--he purchased in Aug 2005
1GB RAM, 40Gb Hard drive
Pentim M 1.7Ghz
CD/DVD drive
No Warranty

Do you think this is a better deal?


It's not bad...if it breaks you can buy another laptop for $800 and be no worse for wear.


Thinkpad, X60 (non-tablet) with these upgrades:
1GB RAM (from 512)
8 cell battery (from 4 cell)
3 year warranty (from 1 yr.)
TOTAL: $1,480

I think 1,480 is pretty good with the EPP on the specs you listed for the new X60, but I would need to know the specific model number you were looking at in order to compare it to other options


I don't know much about this stuff....how will not having an optical drive affect me for law school? 

Possibly not at all.  You might want to get an external drive to install software or make CDs/DVDs (depending on your needs).  If all you need is an external USB CD/DVD drive, they can be gotten pretty cheaply.


Some questions:
Since it doesn't come with an optical drive or a floppy drive, is that a problem?  How should I back up my docs, etc.?

Like someone said, USB floppy drives are pretty easy to pick up.  You could backup some of your data to your school's network and for other stuff you could get an external USB harddrive for a reasonable price online.


What is the difference b/w these warranties (they are the same price):
--"Extended Service Contract 3 year Depot Repair"-92
--"Warranty Service Upgrade, 3 year"-$92
**both come with "Onsite" repair instead of depot repair for $172, what is the differnce and is it worth it?
There is also a more $$$ warranty called 3 year Thinkpad Protection, anyone know what this may mean?  Oingo, do You remember which warranty option you got?

I think Depot repair means the machine gets sent to a specific location and back to you.

I think Warranty service upgrade is for those machines that have a basic warranty that lasts a year...you can extend it to 3 years.

Onsite means they come to your site the next business day and fix it there.

Thinkpad protection provides the accidental damage warranty, plus everything else (it too comes in depot, and onsite flavors).

The regular warranty, as I understand it, only applies to defective parts.  So they'll fix it for free if it is their fault but not if it is your fault.  They know it is their fault if quite a few people have the same problem.  If you're the only one with the problem, a manufacturer may think it is your fault even if it wasn't...if you have accidental damage coverage then these distinctions don't matter as much.

You can use the EPP discount over the phone, so if you buy a Thinkpad new you should just call and have them walk you through the warranty options and what they mean.


Is $80 a good price for OneNote2003
MS Office Basic 2003 for 116?

Not really and not really.  Some schools give OneNote away to their student for free.  Some schools will sell you an Academic copy of Office Professional for a little more than half that price and Office Basic for a little less than half that price.  Some schools almost give away Office.  Check with the school you're attending before you buy Office from anyone.




Typhoon,
This is the model # of that X60: 170947U    with the EPP it started at 1,124 and then with the upgrades I listed it came to about 1,480.  I still find it hard to justify spending that even though it seems to be a good deal being as I can get a T42 for just $600 (without a warranty however).  Also the T42 would come with MS Word and anti-spyware/virus software.  Also I wouldn't have to buy an external drive.  $600 for a T series Lenovo seems to good to pass up, wouldn't you agree?

Kevdog,
I graduated PSU recently, if I remember correctly they gave out MS Office my freshmen year (01) but had phased it out by '02 or '03 didn't they?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 25, 2006, 11:44:20 PM
Typhoon,
This is the model # of that X60: 170947U    with the EPP it started at 1,124 and then with the upgrades I listed it came to about 1,480.  I still find it hard to justify spending that even though it seems to be a good deal being as I can get a T42 for just $600 (without a warranty however).  Also the T42 would come with MS Word and anti-spyware/virus software.  Also I wouldn't have to buy an external drive.  $600 for a T series Lenovo seems to good to pass up, wouldn't you agree?

Yeah, I don't think you could get much of a better deal on the equipment you picked.  $600 for the T42 is reasonable and it's probably all the laptop you really need; I'd guess it might sell for little more than that on eBay.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SaTaNBuGG on May 26, 2006, 09:35:17 AM
Was having such a hard time deciding between the x60 and T60 but finally settled on the T60. (still want the x60 tho :-\ ).  Anyway, I was able to get EPP and a little over $100 off for no OS.  Now the wait to actually get the machine.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Typhoon Longwang on May 26, 2006, 10:51:50 AM
Was having such a hard time deciding between the x60 and T60 but finally settled on the T60. (still want the x60 tho :-\ ).

It's a tough call...I still wonder if I'll be disappointed with 12.1 inches of screen (but I know I've been happy with the same size on previous laptops that had lower resolutions) but I doubt I'll be disappointed by the portability.


Anyway, I was able to get EPP and a little over $100 off for no OS.

Brilliant idea...Linux for next to nothing or XP for an academic discount. 


Now the wait to actually get the machine.

I feel like a kid the night before Christmas...some of the accesories shipped earlier so the anticipation is going up.  One nice thing, virtually everything is shipping sooner than Lenovo's estimate.  My laptop shipped today and was estimated to ship on 6/7.  I guess they're just covering their butts and if it gets out sooner then you'll be pleasantly surprised.  Plus, I thought I was told it would be ground shipping but I think everything is coming Express 3-day...I feel much better about paying for shipping.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on August 15, 2006, 07:22:14 AM
Resurrecting this thread to ask the techie posters a question... I just bought a Macbook, which means I also have to purchase Windows.  My school requires XP Pro, but the bookstore charges nearly $300 for it.

I found this on Newegg: Microsoft Windows XP Professional With SP2 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102062

Is this legit software?  What's "OEM?"  Why so cheap?

Thanks, guys!

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: queencruella on August 15, 2006, 07:33:00 AM
OEM means "original equipment manufacturer." Generally its meant to be sold with hardware, not on its own. It's legitimate, but the license rules may be a bit different so you may have some issues if you need to reformat or reinstall.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on August 15, 2006, 07:54:42 AM
Hmmm... I may need to re-install, since I'll be upgrading my Mac OS once Leopard comes out... on the other hand, it's still cheaper to buy two of these versions of Windows if I had to.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on August 15, 2006, 08:03:22 AM
Hmmm... I may need to re-install, since I'll be upgrading my Mac OS once Leopard comes out... on the other hand, it's still cheaper to buy two of these versions of Windows if I had to.

I've only dealt with Newegg once, but I was very pleased.  I am sure that the best thing for you to do would be to call them and ask about the limitations of this OEM software.  In many cases, it just has less attractive packaging or more annoying restrictions on paper but not in practice. In some cases, it's almost useless.  Call newegg.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: commish on August 16, 2006, 08:02:16 AM
Newegg is awesome :)

And don't worry about OEM software.  You'll be fine.  OEM stuff is just bare-bones is all - no box, probably no "instructions" or whatnot.

Also, you should probably contact your school to make sure you can use your Macbook for tests - I know NYU was very resistant to allowing us to use Macbooks (even with boot camp and using XP Pro through that).  I received more than 1 notification and reminder that macs aren't allowed, regardless of the OS it is running.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on August 16, 2006, 08:26:19 AM
Newegg is awesome :)

And don't worry about OEM software.  You'll be fine.  OEM stuff is just bare-bones is all - no box, probably no "instructions" or whatnot.

Also, you should probably contact your school to make sure you can use your Macbook for tests - I know NYU was very resistant to allowing us to use Macbooks (even with boot camp and using XP Pro through that).  I received more than 1 notification and reminder that macs aren't allowed, regardless of the OS it is running.

Penn approved them after proding from incoming students, and after Michigan did... yay for competition  :).  ExamSoft also gave the official okay recently, so I expect if you bombard NYU with emails, especially pointing out which schools have already approved Intel Macs, you may get results.
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Post by: Geo_Storm on November 21, 2006, 08:52:54 PM
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Laptop, wireless internet, Strad, that is one mean procrastinating machine right there.

Seriously though, is anyone sick of having widescreen laptops? I mean, my word/pdf files are 8:11 and are vertically yet my screen is 16:10 horizontal. What a pain in the ass. And it becomes even worse when you are writing programming code with these things.

But  a tablet laptop allows you to turn the screen around, sounds very convenient.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 21, 2006, 09:29:17 PM
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Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 21, 2006, 09:29:26 PM
I'd be interested in getting a tablet laptop. More on this when I'm done with my app process.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 24, 2006, 11:26:37 AM
yeah, but im not seeing any DECENT tablets for less than 1k.

:(
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 11:35:44 AM
yeah, but im not seeing any DECENT tablets for less than 1k.

:(

Just to be clear, tablets can do pretty much everything laptop do, right? anything bad about tablets?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 24, 2006, 11:37:28 AM
finding a good one.

same thing as a laptop, but you can flip the screen and write on it like a notebook.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: guyminuslife on November 24, 2006, 12:09:04 PM
The Roman alphabet is prejudiced against left-handed people.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on November 24, 2006, 12:09:38 PM
The Roman alphabet is prejudiced against left-handed people.

With good reason.

Mutants.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 12:11:35 PM
You are too cryptic for me to follow.

But does anyone have any reason to discourage me from buying a tablet PC?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: guyminuslife on November 24, 2006, 12:14:00 PM
I was just wondering if tablet PCs smudge like dry-erase boards when you write on them.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on November 24, 2006, 12:14:28 PM
You are too cryptic for me to follow.

But does anyone have any reason to discourage me from buying a tablet PC?

$.  The performance:$ ratio is lower for tablets than tablets.  You pay a premium for the increased functionality.  This is fine if the functionality is worth it.

Selection.  I wanted a super-light, durable comp with unbelievable battery life, a full keyboard, good support/warranty, and a decent processor.  I couldn't find what I was looking for in a tablet.  If there were an IBM x60 tablet, I would've paid an extra $400.  I didn't want to sacrifice 4 hrs of battery for the X41 when the x60s is super-sweet.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on November 24, 2006, 12:15:46 PM
You are too cryptic for me to follow.

But does anyone have any reason to discourage me from buying a tablet PC?
Will you be able to use the law school's exam soft?

No reason why it wouldn't work.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: guyminuslife on November 24, 2006, 12:15:52 PM
You are too cryptic for me to follow.

But does anyone have any reason to discourage me from buying a tablet PC?

$.  The performance:$ ratio is lower for tablets than tablets.  You pay a premium for the increased functionality.  This is fine if the functionality is worth it.

Selection.  I wanted a super-light, durable comp with unbelievable battery life, a full keyboard, good support/warranty, and a decent processor.  I couldn't find what I was looking for in a tablet.  If there were an IBM x60 tablet, I would've paid an extra $400.  I didn't want to sacrifice 4 hrs of battery for the X41 when the x60s is super-sweet.

I think you mean Lenovo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on November 24, 2006, 12:20:00 PM
You are too cryptic for me to follow.

But does anyone have any reason to discourage me from buying a tablet PC?

$.  The performance:$ ratio is lower for tablets than tablets.  You pay a premium for the increased functionality.  This is fine if the functionality is worth it.

Selection.  I wanted a super-light, durable comp with unbelievable battery life, a full keyboard, good support/warranty, and a decent processor.  I couldn't find what I was looking for in a tablet.  If there were an IBM x60 tablet, I would've paid an extra $400.  I didn't want to sacrifice 4 hrs of battery for the X41 when the x60s is super-sweet.

I think you mean Lenovo.

It's kind of complicated, now, isn't it?  I am typing on my x60s right now.  In the right hand corner of it, beneath the keyboard, it say "IBM Thinkpad."  It is manufactured by lenovo, yes, but it is still (in this incarnation) not so un-IBM.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 12:22:50 PM
$.  The performance:$ ratio is lower for tablets than tablets.  You pay a premium for the increased functionality.  This is fine if the functionality is worth it.

Selection.  I wanted a super-light, durable comp with unbelievable battery life, a full keyboard, good support/warranty, and a decent processor.  I couldn't find what I was looking for in a tablet.  If there were an IBM x60 tablet, I would've paid an extra $400.  I didn't want to sacrifice 4 hrs of battery for the X41 when the x60s is super-sweet.

I see. http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/thinkpad/x-t.html ?
Looks pretty sweet to me.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on November 24, 2006, 12:24:19 PM
$.  The performance:$ ratio is lower for tablets than tablets.  You pay a premium for the increased functionality.  This is fine if the functionality is worth it.

Selection.  I wanted a super-light, durable comp with unbelievable battery life, a full keyboard, good support/warranty, and a decent processor.  I couldn't find what I was looking for in a tablet.  If there were an IBM x60 tablet, I would've paid an extra $400.  I didn't want to sacrifice 4 hrs of battery for the X41 when the x60s is super-sweet.

I see. http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/thinkpad/x-t.html ?
Looks pretty sweet to me.

Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 24, 2006, 12:26:17 PM
IF someone had really cool rich parents, go for the tablet.

for those of us that are poor, dell has a pretty decent one out there now.

trying to decide on 15 or 17.   17 just seems so big...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 12:29:48 PM
Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.

Awesome!!

Ugh: "Preorder your Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet (US only)."

:( I wish I lived in the states.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: guyminuslife on November 24, 2006, 12:30:17 PM
IF someone had really cool rich parents, go for the tablet.

for those of us that are poor, dell has a pretty decent one out there now.

trying to decide on 15 or 17.   17 just seems so big...

That's what she said, so I got reduction surgery.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: guyminuslife on November 24, 2006, 12:31:15 PM
Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.

Awesome!!

Ugh: "Preorder your Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet (US only)."

:( I wish I lived in the states.

*cough* 1812 *cough*
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 24, 2006, 12:32:10 PM
Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.

Awesome!!

Ugh: "Preorder your Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet (US only)."

:( I wish I lived in the states.

duh.  either a po box stateside

or send it to a friend.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sara on November 24, 2006, 12:32:41 PM
Rant: I hate people with massive computers. You only get so much desk space. Use it wisely. If you want your book on the desk, remember the size of your laptop. I opted for the 12 inch, but I can't seem to go one class without some clASSMATE busting out 17 or more inches of computer and then expecting to get my space - no dude, you deal with what you've got.

The only thing that pisses me off more is when they take out some sort of radio tower, plug it into their USB port, then drag out a mouse >:( "I can get carpal tunnel" Yeah well do you text message on your cell phone? It's the same bloody motion!!!! Rant: Over
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 12:34:10 PM
Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.

Awesome!!

Ugh: "Preorder your Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet (US only)."

:( I wish I lived in the states.

*cough* 1812 *cough*

:|

I saw that. I could always find an American husband...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 24, 2006, 12:35:04 PM
Rant: I hate people with massive computers. You only get so much desk space. Use it wisely. If you want your book on the desk, remember the size of your laptop. I opted for the 12 inch, but I can't seem to go one class without some clASSMATE busting out 17 or more inches of computer and then expecting to get my space - no dude, you deal with what you've got.

The only thing that pisses me off more is when they take out some sort of radio tower, plug it into their USB port, then drag out a mouse >:( "I can get carpal tunnel" Yeah well do you text message on your cell phone? It's the same bloody motion!!!! Rant: Over

hehehe


what i want to do is go to your class, sit by you, and then after you take my hand off your leg, ill whip out this..

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/0,39029450,49261686,00.htm
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 12:35:26 PM
Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.

Awesome!!

Ugh: "Preorder your Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet (US only)."

:( I wish I lived in the states.

*cough* 1812 *cough*

:|

I saw that. I could always find an American husband...

EDIT: Dude, how come every thread you come on gets highjacked so badly? (I'm thinking about Relatives in the U.S., Where is guyminuslife off the top of my head.)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on November 24, 2006, 12:36:21 PM
Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.

Awesome!!

Ugh: "Preorder your Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet (US only)."

:( I wish I lived in the states.

No rush, really.  The price will go down anyway, and your school will likely have discounts (mine did anyway).  I would wait until June at least.  There may even be something better then.

I second the "get a small computer" thing, both for yourself and your neighbors.  I also would like to remind people that if you get a comp with excellent battery life, you can use it without the AC all day long.  I never bring mine to school.  Other people have to find somewhere to put the thing on the desk, etc.  That's annoying.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 12:37:59 PM
No rush, really.  The price will go down anyway, and your school will likely have discounts (mine did anyway).  I would wait until June at least.  There may even be something better then.

I second the "get a small computer" thing, both for yourself and your neighbors.  I also would like to remind people that if you get a comp with excellent battery life, you can use it without the AC all day long.  I never bring mine to school.  Other people have to find somewhere to put the thing on the desk, etc.  That's annoying.

Thanks. But how can you not bring it to school? Don't you use it for notetaking, etc.?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on November 24, 2006, 12:40:42 PM
No rush, really.  The price will go down anyway, and your school will likely have discounts (mine did anyway).  I would wait until June at least.  There may even be something better then.

I second the "get a small computer" thing, both for yourself and your neighbors.  I also would like to remind people that if you get a comp with excellent battery life, you can use it without the AC all day long.  I never bring mine to school.  Other people have to find somewhere to put the thing on the desk, etc.  That's annoying.

Thanks. But how can you not bring it to school? Don't you use it for notetaking, etc.?

The AC adapter.  I bring the computer, but I never plug it in, so I never bring the AC adapter.  My battery lasts between 7 and 9 hours.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 12:42:38 PM
Ahhh... okay. Gotcha. 7 to 9 hours! Sounds sweet.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pikey on November 24, 2006, 01:10:14 PM
I would like to third the not getting a big laptop sentiment.  My last laptop was 15 inch (I think) because all of the computer lit was saying bigger is better, especially for watching movies.  I have watched a movie on that computer once, and in the meantime had the joy of lugging its oversized self around.  Don't do it!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sara on November 24, 2006, 01:12:17 PM
That reminds me: You might have to buy a special bag for carrying it around ;) And it may not fit in your locker
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 24, 2006, 01:14:44 PM
That reminds me: You might have to buy a special bag for carrying it around ;) And it may not fit in your locker

even for a 15?

:-\
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on November 24, 2006, 01:15:29 PM
I would like to third the not getting a big laptop sentiment.  My last laptop was 15 inch (I think) because all of the computer lit was saying bigger is better, especially for watching movies.  I have watched a movie on that computer once, and in the meantime had the joy of lugging its oversized self around.  Don't do it!

Conversely, my laptop is little and the littleness annoys me. I have a lot of time to think over my next laptop purchase but I'm considering getting a little laptop and a nice big flat screen of some sort to plug it into so I can have a big screen at home...Hmmm... You can do this with a laptop, right? I'm not just making that up?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 24, 2006, 01:17:10 PM
I would like to third the not getting a big laptop sentiment.  My last laptop was 15 inch (I think) because all of the computer lit was saying bigger is better, especially for watching movies.  I have watched a movie on that computer once, and in the meantime had the joy of lugging its oversized self around.  Don't do it!

Conversely, my laptop is little and the littleness annoys me. I have a lot of time to think over my next laptop purchase but I'm considering getting a little laptop and a nice big flat screen of some sort to plug it into so I can have a big screen at home...Hmmm... You can do this with a laptop, right? I'm not just making that up?

you can get a docking station with some.  lets you use a monitor and keyboard, etc at home.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pikey on November 24, 2006, 01:20:26 PM
I would like to third the not getting a big laptop sentiment.  My last laptop was 15 inch (I think) because all of the computer lit was saying bigger is better, especially for watching movies.  I have watched a movie on that computer once, and in the meantime had the joy of lugging its oversized self around.  Don't do it!

Conversely, my laptop is little and the littleness annoys me. I have a lot of time to think over my next laptop purchase but I'm considering getting a little laptop and a nice big flat screen of some sort to plug it into so I can have a big screen at home...Hmmm... You can do this with a laptop, right? I'm not just making that up?

you can get a docking station with some.  lets you use a monitor and keyboard, etc at home.

That's the best solution.  I think I'll purchase a docking station for ls.  Even if you don't get a docking station, you can still plug your laptop into an external monitor and just use its keyboard and mouse.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on November 24, 2006, 01:21:34 PM
Ok good, I'm glad I was not creating pulling stuff out of my butt.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on November 24, 2006, 01:28:31 PM
Ok good, I'm glad I was not creating pulling stuff out of my butt.
ew

oops. oh well.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 01:30:36 PM
Ok good, I'm glad I was not creating pulling stuff out of my butt.
ew

oops. oh well.

That made me laugh. :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: guyminuslife on November 24, 2006, 01:46:54 PM
Apparently you can preorder an x60 tablet now.  That would probably be the best imaginable computer.

Awesome!!

Ugh: "Preorder your Lenovo ThinkPad X60 Tablet (US only)."

:( I wish I lived in the states.

*cough* 1812 *cough*

:|

I saw that. I could always find an American husband...

EDIT: Dude, how come every thread you come on gets highjacked so badly? (I'm thinking about Relatives in the U.S., Where is guyminuslife off the top of my head.)

I have a short attention span.

Hmm...the dollar is dropping...wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they're putting Millard Fillmore on it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 24, 2006, 02:14:07 PM
I have a short attention span.

Hmm...the dollar is dropping...wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they're putting Millard Fillmore on it.

they are?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: guyminuslife on November 24, 2006, 02:42:17 PM
I have a short attention span.

Hmm...the dollar is dropping...wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that they're putting Millard Fillmore on it.

they are?

All the dead presidents are getting their own dollar coin. No way Fillmore would get on anything otherwise.

I totally want an Andrew Jackson dollar.

I also think Ford, Carter, and H.W. should hurry up and die before they discontinue the series.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 24, 2006, 04:33:29 PM
I'm BAFFing this.


Between you nerds updating me on this year's top models and their applicability to law school, and my brother and roommate helping me find the perfect machine, I should be looking good.


Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 25, 2006, 05:42:46 AM
Ok good, I'm glad I was not creating pulling stuff out of my butt.
ew

oops. oh well.

That made me laugh. :)

a pic of you stuffing your face?  sheesh...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on November 25, 2006, 11:07:08 AM
a pic of you stuffing your face?  sheesh...

Just a little parsimmon..
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 09:20:10 PM
Back to add a little Stanley-esque code so I can track this.


[laptop]
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 09:24:36 PM
Do you really need any help?  I thought you had all the tech support you needed with bro.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 09:27:46 PM
And roommate. 


Still, will take all the help I can get.  hahaahhahaha


No matter how geeky they are, neither of those two are actually in law school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 09:37:24 PM
I like my light laptop, because it's not really fun to carry around another 5-8 lbs.  However, I would say that in picking out a light laptop, it's very important to make sure that you can type appropriately.  The screen size is debateable, but if the keyboard is too small you're screwed.  Therefore, do try and type on one before you buy.  I have pretty big hands (not huge) and I found one that works just fine (Toshiba Protege R.)  Thinkpads are also good. (X)

However, if it's going to be your only computer, a bump in size might be nice.  Some people roll with the giant dells, and that's fine, but you just have to be ready to trudge along with it.  If I had decided to get a bigger computer I would have gotten the T or R Thinkpad.  Or, a latitude from Dell (I guess an XPS works too, but not an inspiron.)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 09:39:59 PM
I have big hands and crappy finger dexterity.  The bigger the keyboard, the happier I am.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on November 29, 2006, 09:42:43 PM
the 20 inch acer then.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 09:44:31 PM
People love Lenovo keyboards.

Go for the R.

If not, just make sure you get one that is business-y.  There's a lot of abuse to be had for at least 3 years.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 09:45:51 PM
Well, the son of a female dog has to last me at least three, possibly five years, so I'm going all out.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 09:51:09 PM
I'd have to look up repair data for Rs, but they've been out for a bit now so that information might be up.  Warrantys = good things.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 09:52:46 PM
Stats?  Mostly interested in processing speed and RAM, but sound hardware might make a difference, too.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 09:58:11 PM
It doesn't take much to run word.

What else do you use it for?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 10:04:08 PM
Well, for starters, I run an indie record label that distributes online.  We record, edit, and produce everything ourselves.


I need something that can run the newest Photoshop, maybe CoolEdit, and the entire Microsoft Office suite.  Other than that, I don't really know what I'd be using the laptop for.  It definitely needs to be easy to upgrade, though -- like I said, I don't get anything new for probably five years or so.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 10:11:55 PM
I would deck it out with the best processor, but probably upgrade RAM by myself.  Then, if I needed really good sound, get a PCMCIA card that does 5 or 7.1 audio, because you won't need good audio at LS (probably).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 10:17:46 PM
Well, I will.  I'll still be doing this record label *&^% from the big CA.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 10:21:20 PM
Well, I will.  I'll still be doing this record label sh*t from the big CA.


I meant at school.  You can have the speaker setup at home and just leave everything.  I'm not aware of a laptop that has really great audio that isn't either tremendously heavy, or tremendously expensive, or both.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 10:22:11 PM
Word.  External hardware FTW!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 10:28:20 PM
a la http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102185 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102185)

Or the like.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 10:35:18 PM
I just checked out the R.  You can deck it out (even with RAm upgrades) for about 1600 plus warranty.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 10:40:12 PM
Hot damn!  This is a good start, for sure.  I'll run it by the committee.  haahahah
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 10:46:14 PM
Plus it'll probably be a write-off.  It would be in the US, at least.

Or, at least a write off for the percentage that you use it for the business.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 10:50:23 PM
That is, if we start turning a profit any time soon.  hahahaha

Mostly a labor of love.  It might work for me here in Alberta, though.  I'll check into it.  I might be screwed as a full-time student, though, since I already get other benefits.


Do you have links to all this stuff, maybe?  The R, its upgrades, and the external sound stuff, that is.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 10:53:54 PM
The external sound card is above...

Lenovo's sight is www.lenovo.com (http://www.lenovo.com).  Surprising!  You can find the R there and configure it.  I wouldn't buy anything until June or July though, because computers just get cheaper.

It takes more research than I've done, though.  I would compare the latitude and xps series from dell to the thinkpad.  There are also many reviews to be found no cnet.com (http://cnet.com).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on November 29, 2006, 10:55:35 PM
I can't buy until July, anyway.  hahahaha

Thanks!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on November 29, 2006, 10:57:33 PM
yep
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 05, 2006, 09:11:02 PM
FYI: just loaded BootCamp and ExamSoft on my Macbook. 

So far, so good... *crosses fingers*

Windows on a Mac!  It's soooo crazy.  I inaugurated it by watching tons of Comedy Central vids that didn't work in OS X.   :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on December 05, 2006, 09:57:13 PM
FYI: just loaded BootCamp and ExamSoft on my Macbook. 

So far, so good... *crosses fingers*

Windows on a Mac!  It's soooo crazy.  I inaugurated it by watching tons of Comedy Central vids that didn't work in OS X.   :)

No examsoft at my school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on December 06, 2006, 02:01:54 PM
i think im going to drop the 2k and get the tablet.

ugh.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on December 06, 2006, 07:35:45 PM
FYI: just loaded BootCamp and ExamSoft on my Macbook. 

So far, so good... *crosses fingers*

Windows on a Mac!  It's soooo crazy.  I inaugurated it by watching tons of Comedy Central vids that didn't work in OS X.   :)


Neat!  I'm going to buy a cheaper computer with better parts that can run windows too!

Eh, price-wise, the Intel Macs were comparable to everything else in the market with similar specs (when I bought, last year).  And 99% of the time, I get to use an supersmart operating system that's pretty and comes bundled with software you actually want.  I win.    :D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Jolie Was Here on December 06, 2006, 08:02:44 PM
I'm with you, legapp.  Except that, once I'd loaded everything and made sure that EBB worked, I quickly rebooted in OSX and vowed not to return until exams.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SplitFinger on December 06, 2006, 08:27:41 PM
i think im going to drop the 2k and get the tablet.

ugh.

You know, when we had this discussion last cycle, I recall that quite a few people talked about getting the tablets, so I figured I'd see a bunch of them this year at school.

I have not seen a single one.  Zero.  Kinda surprising.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mufich on December 06, 2006, 10:36:07 PM
Mugatu -- I think I saw you have a Toshiba notebook as I was skimming through the thread. Do you like it? I have a desktop right now so I know I need to buy a laptop for law school next year, and I've heard some great things about Toshiba, but I'm interested to hear what you think about it from a law student perspective
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 06, 2006, 10:43:22 PM
i really like my laptop,  but it currently uses technology that's a couple years old.  I would recommend the Protege R-2** if you can get a good deal, but it isn't worth full price (just because the tech is old.)  Otherwise I would go with the Lenovo X60. 

Toshibas come in different flavors.  Some are more consumer related (lesser build quality) and some are more business oriented (better build quality.)  I would read reviews to determine if they think it's a good workhorse.  Mine is.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: whoisjohngalt on December 11, 2006, 03:39:31 PM
I would just say that I have a Thinkpad x60s and I think you'd be crazy not to get a Thinkpad.  The Lenovo machines are awesome and I haven't met anyone here that's had a problem with one.

The new x60 tablets came out and they look pretty sweet - though I can't say I've seen anyone with a tablet, so you probably don't need it. 

I strongly recommend either the T60 or x60/x60s.  I get 8+ hours of battery life on the x60s.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 11, 2006, 03:41:58 PM
Too many goddamn John Galts.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on December 11, 2006, 08:50:51 PM
i think im going to drop the 2k and get the tablet.

ugh.

You know, when we had this discussion last cycle, I recall that quite a few people talked about getting the tablets, so I figured I'd see a bunch of them this year at school.

I have not seen a single one.  Zero.  Kinda surprising.


Popular? no. Besides my X41 tablet there is 3 gateway's in my class. In hindsight, I would still make the same choice. I just wish Lenovo would have gotten the X60 tablet out much much sooner.

Come to think of it, configured the way I want it (with the higher resultion screen) and a few speed related options, the total comes to nearly $3200!

a little too rich for my tastes.....

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on December 11, 2006, 09:49:59 PM
I would just say that I have a Thinkpad x60s and I think you'd be crazy not to get a Thinkpad.  The Lenovo machines are awesome and I haven't met anyone here that's had a problem with one.

The new x60 tablets came out and they look pretty sweet - though I can't say I've seen anyone with a tablet, so you probably don't need it. 

I strongly recommend either the T60 or x60/x60s.  I get 8+ hours of battery life on the x60s.

I also have the x60s, and I love it, and I second the Oingo x60 tablet is awesome (if expensive) deal.  That said, mine has been finicky in a couple of ways, and my friend's straight up died (under warranty).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jer on December 12, 2006, 08:25:29 PM
my last laptop was a dell,
it overheats quickly
just got a new aspire from circuit city the day after thanksgiving.
i like it fine so far, but i'm trying to keep random software crap off it so it doesn't get clogged up with crap and run slow
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 13, 2006, 12:19:55 AM
That might be ok, but I still think it's a good idea to learn towards "business" centric computers.  I've not heard much in the way of hp's reliability, but the niceties presented by excellent build quality, shock-proof hard drives, etc make it worth it.

Also, not so light.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 13, 2006, 09:15:36 AM
For Dells: The inspiron is not different.  Te different "business" computer is the Latitude, and it has a much better build quality.  For instance, you can pick it up and it doesn't feel as though it will break apart.

There's a sizeable difference in build quality between a Thankpad and a Dell. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 13, 2006, 09:22:20 AM
Fine.  Don't worry about it.  Buy a computer that will break the first time you set it down hard.  I don't care.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on December 14, 2006, 02:10:37 PM
Fine.  Don't worry about it.  Buy a computer that will break the first time you set it down hard.  I don't care.

I watched a classmate's HP do this. He didn't even drop it that hard. The optical drive now refuses to keep closed - rather amusing to watch it fly open as he tilts the laptop to place it in his computer bag.

I'm not saying don't buy HP - he is still happy with his purchase. I'm just saying you get what you pay for and if you can put up with this type of result, then by all means, make that purchase.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 02:57:02 PM
I would just say that I have a Thinkpad x60s and I think you'd be crazy not to get a Thinkpad.  The Lenovo machines are awesome and I haven't met anyone here that's had a problem with one.

The new x60 tablets came out and they look pretty sweet - though I can't say I've seen anyone with a tablet, so you probably don't need it. 

I strongly recommend either the T60 or x60/x60s.  I get 8+ hours of battery life on the x60s.

i have a thinkpad from UG and I must say I am the only person I know whose laptop lasted all 4 years (now we're on year 5 little guy!) without collapsing into a ball of flame, smoke and airborne viruses.

Mine may have lasted 4 years. But I'd have to find the thief to find out.

 :D :D :D


When you find him, can you ask him how my expensive, saved-up-forever-to-buy-it, only-mode-of-transportation bicycle's doing?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 03:07:07 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 03:07:18 PM
Wasn't there any way to track him like that?  What the @#!*?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 03:09:57 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 

I tried to get him to email me my files. It didn't work.

 :D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 03:13:12 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 

I tried to get him to email me my files. It didn't work.


You just gained 100000000 million points in my book.  That's f-ing hilarious!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 03:14:42 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 

I tried to get him to email me my files. It didn't work.

 :D

The strategy did work when I got mugged though. Got the muggers to take my cash and leave me my wallet (which had 4 tickets to a pearl jam show the next night, along with credit cards, ID, etc.)

Good.  I've often thought about that.n  "Can I just give you the cash?"
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 03:25:45 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 

I tried to get him to email me my files. It didn't work.

 :D

The strategy did work when I got mugged though. Got the muggers to take my cash and leave me my wallet (which had 4 tickets to a pearl jam show the next night, along with credit cards, ID, etc.)

Good.  I've often thought about that.n  "Can I just give you the cash?"

In South Africa, you just throw stuff at them and run for your life.  You generally get murdered when you get mugged, no matter how much you can provide.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 03:28:04 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 

I tried to get him to email me my files. It didn't work.

 :D

The strategy did work when I got mugged though. Got the muggers to take my cash and leave me my wallet (which had 4 tickets to a pearl jam show the next night, along with credit cards, ID, etc.)

Good.  I've often thought about that.n  "Can I just give you the cash?"

In South Africa, you just throw stuff at them and run for your life.  You generally get murdered when you get mugged, no matter how much you can provide.


That seems excessive.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 03:32:48 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 

I tried to get him to email me my files. It didn't work.

 :D

The strategy did work when I got mugged though. Got the muggers to take my cash and leave me my wallet (which had 4 tickets to a pearl jam show the next night, along with credit cards, ID, etc.)

Good.  I've often thought about that.n  "Can I just give you the cash?"

In South Africa, you just throw stuff at them and run for your life.  You generally get murdered when you get mugged, no matter how much you can provide.


That seems excessive.

It is the most violent non-warring country in the world, statistically. 


At least, it was when I last checked a few years ago.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 03:35:02 PM
I would have just been, "Dude...you totally suck for stealing my stuff." 

I tried to get him to email me my files. It didn't work.

 :D

The strategy did work when I got mugged though. Got the muggers to take my cash and leave me my wallet (which had 4 tickets to a pearl jam show the next night, along with credit cards, ID, etc.)

Good.  I've often thought about that.n  "Can I just give you the cash?"

In South Africa, you just throw stuff at them and run for your life.  You generally get murdered when you get mugged, no matter how much you can provide.


That seems excessive.

It is the most violent non-warring country in the world, statistically. 


At least, it was when I last checked a few years ago.


extreme poverty, and excessive hostility, will do that to people.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 03:47:26 PM
That's a large part of the story, yes.  There's a lot more to it, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 03:51:24 PM
That's a large part of the story, yes.  There's a lot more to it, unfortunately.


it is unfortunate that there is more to it
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 03:53:36 PM
That's a large part of the story, yes.  There's a lot more to it, unfortunately.


it is unfortunate that there is more to it


It's not quite Derelicte, though.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 04:03:43 PM
My friend studied abroad in Johannesburg and got mugged. They cut his arm, which he said was pretty common so he'd go to the hospital before cancelling his credit cards.


He got lucky.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 04:35:37 PM
My friend studied abroad in Johannesburg and got mugged. They cut his arm, which he said was pretty common so he'd go to the hospital before cancelling his credit cards.


He got lucky.


Sounds like it.


Still sucks balls, though.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:01:37 PM
I mean, seriously?  Why the violence?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:06:29 PM
I mean, seriously?  Why the violence?

My friend studied abroad in Johannesburg and got mugged. They cut his arm, which he said was pretty common so he'd go to the hospital before cancelling his credit cards.

Seems kinda smart to me.

I was commenting more on the fact that your friend got cut, rather than his order of operations after getting mugged.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:09:23 PM
It's a good question, mu.

It's a combination of a myriad factors.  Violent upbringings in the townships and poorer areas of cities.  Ruthless gangs.  Poverty and resulting desperation.  

Take Compton, and exaggerate it.  That's the mentality.  
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:13:15 PM
I mean, seriously?  Why the violence?

My friend studied abroad in Johannesburg and got mugged. They cut his arm, which he said was pretty common so he'd go to the hospital before cancelling his credit cards.

Seems kinda smart to me.

I was commenting more on the fact that your friend got cut, rather than his order of operations after getting mugged.

Right, but the muggers do it so they can use the credit cards before they get cancelled.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.  Wise move.

It's a good question, mu.

It's a combination of a myriad factors.  Violent upbringings in the townships and poorer areas of cities.  Ruthless gangs.  Poverty and resulting desperation. 

Take Compton, and exaggerate it.  That's the mentality. 


I guess so.  it seems the innocents are always an accident, even in Compton, except for that annoying gang who needed to do a drive-by on the freeway to join.  I think they got pretty busted, though.  Apparently they didn't realize that their activities would be relatively "high-profile."
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:15:54 PM
There's way more to it than that in South Africa, though.  Mistrust of the police (and thus retaliation) still runs strong from the Apartheid years.  Add to that the fact that the current police force is severely corrupt.  Also, criminals in South Africa, especially murderers, tend to have an easier time -- jails are already so full that some of them get out with severely reduced sentences.  This makes for a poor deterrent. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:21:51 PM
How much longer does it take?  20 more years of relative stability.  I mean, except for the water thing, SA has a lot going for it.  Especially if they dramatically upped power they could farm more with more water, and then export more.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:27:34 PM
Other major problems:

- AIDS
- government's response to AIDS
- waning health care system
- terribly unstable currency
- basically a one-party state - ANC's hegemony is virtually unchallengable because South African voters, for better or for worse, tend to vote for their ethnic groups, and Xhosas make up the overwhelming majority of South Africans; also, government propaganda that promises future riches and happiness is easily gobbled up by people living in abject poverty

It's going to take more than 20 years of stability, and I don't even think they'll get the stability.  Sure, there may be something good in South Africa's future, but right now, I'm not quite sure what it is.  And one thing's for sure -- the violence has been there for decades, has steadily gotten worse, and is not going away any time soon.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:29:24 PM
 :(

at least the pres. changed his tone on whether or not HIV causes AIDS, rather than poverty.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:30:44 PM
That's a start.  But it's not like he's sounding enlightened about it yet, either.  You'd think that's the FIRST thing he'd beef up on.  Jesus.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:33:04 PM
I'd really just like to see all goverments go:

"Here's a condom.  They stop STDs.  They can also let you live to see your children grow up.  Also, here's an HIV test.  Are you positive?  OK, that's fine, here's all the information you should need.  *hands out packet*  We'd really appreciate if you practiced safe sex from now on.  Thanks."
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:34:44 PM
I'd really just like to see all goverments go:

"Here's a condom.  They stop STDs.  They can also let you live to see your children grow up.  Also, here's an HIV test.  Are you positive?  OK, that's fine, here's all the information you should need.  *hands out packet*  We'd really appreciate if you practiced safe sex from now on.  Thanks."


Part of the problem in South Africa (and you can ask red. about this) is that people simply don't believe it.

It seems, to many of them, to be some sort of conspiracy.  Believe it or not, the government's original response to the problem was not the cause, but rather the symptom.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:37:11 PM
I'd really just like to see all goverments go:

"Here's a condom.  They stop STDs.  They can also let you live to see your children grow up.  Also, here's an HIV test.  Are you positive?  OK, that's fine, here's all the information you should need.  *hands out packet*  We'd really appreciate if you practiced safe sex from now on.  Thanks."


Part of the problem in South Africa (and you can ask red. about this) is that people simply don't believe it.

It seems, to many of them, to be some sort of conspiracy.  Believe it or not, the government's original response to the problem was not the cause, but rather the symptom.


Then the real issue is simply education, but not education about sickness.  All types of education to be able to adequately interact with information that is presented.  (to me.)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:40:10 PM
That sure is the issue.  That's what people like red. are doing (or she was doing earlier -- I'm not sure what her job description is, now).  Thing is, imagine white people have been lying to you for more than a century -- are you likely to believe anything they have to say all of a sudden?

Western medicine is often linked directly back to white doctors.  And white doctors are, quite simply, not to be trusted.  And anyone who preaches their gospel -- well, you get where I'm going with this.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:42:02 PM
ya.

are white people from other countries any better?  I guess not, since all the white people are from other countries.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:44:16 PM
ya.

are white people from other countries any better?  I guess not, since all the white people are from other countries.

You'd have to ask those people who believe there's a conspiracy afoot.  I couldn't tell you.  I'm pretty sure it's a general mistrust, though.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:47:16 PM
ya.

are white people from other countries any better?  I guess not, since all the white people are from other countries.

You'd have to ask those people who believe there's a conspiracy afoot.  I couldn't tell you.  I'm pretty sure it's a general mistrust, though.


next time i will
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 14, 2006, 06:51:29 PM
hahahahahahhaha

And then you'd advise them about notebook computers.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 14, 2006, 06:54:34 PM
hahahahahahhaha

And then you'd advise them about notebook computers.


among other things
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 06:15:56 PM
doode let's talk about laptops plz.

There's a good deal with a free ipod nano (4GB) thrown in with a mac book.. this one:

http://www.compusmart.com/Product/Default.aspx?SupplierPartNo=805392

Should I get it???
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 25, 2006, 06:18:43 PM
Weird bump.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Groundhog on December 25, 2006, 06:19:41 PM
That is a terrible deal unless the dollars are in Canadian...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 06:24:19 PM
yeah that's CDN.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 06:24:58 PM
Weird bump.


for a "Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread"?? I think not!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 25, 2006, 06:28:13 PM
No, it's just weird to have this thread bumped, period.


And stop spamming this board with stupid Can-Con.   :D

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Groundhog on December 25, 2006, 06:29:30 PM
It looks to be about the same price as you could get it directly from Apple. I don't have a Canadian student ID, and the US ones don't ask for ID #s, but try going to the Apple Canadian Education store, as it looks to be about the same price. Also, since you are planning on attending a US law school, it might be worth checking the conversion to see which would be more expensive.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 06:30:10 PM
No, it's just weird to have this thread bumped, period.


And stop spamming this board with stupid Can-Con.   :D



:P people have Qs about laptops all the time!!!

no making fun of Can-Con!

It looks to be about the same price as you could get it directly from Apple. I don't have a Canadian student ID, and the US ones don't ask for ID #s, but try going to the Apple Canadian Education store, as it looks to be about the same price. Also, since you are planning on attending a US law school, it might be worth checking the conversion to see which would be more expensive.

ok, will do that now. thanks! :)

edit: they require a studnet ID. :(
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 06:33:40 PM
also, this http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D

x60 tablet looks awesome but it's out of my range (I want to spend < 2,000 CDN (around 1700 USD)). What would be my next best option? non-tablet x60s?

Are there any reasons why I shouldn't get that mac book (http://www.compusmart.com/Product/Default.aspx?SupplierPartNo=805392), btw?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 06:36:43 PM
i heart my macbook.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 06:37:39 PM
i heart my macbook.

Hmmm when did you get it? Could you elaborate just a little?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Groundhog on December 25, 2006, 06:52:07 PM
I'm also a huge mac fan, and am probably going to be buying a macbook around June. (No reason to buy one now since my old PowerBook works fine, despite not running Windows) As a dedicated mac fanatic, it shouldn't be surprising that I have nothing but positive things to say about Apple. The machines are beautiful, light, and even people who were huge mac bashers have been strangely appreciative of my machine now that the newer ones run Windows natively.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 25, 2006, 06:57:53 PM
It was a versatility/adaptability thing.  Running Windows natively is a huge step for Mac.  And actually intrigues me in a Mac laptop.  Although that might be too much of a pain in the ass for me during law school to bother with.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 06:58:02 PM
okay. then.. I think I am going to go to that store and check out that mac book deal. That's the new mac book... here (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/canadastore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=2D3AC798&nclm=MacBook). should be good, huh? sorry I am asking retarded questions.. this is my first laptop :o
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Groundhog on December 25, 2006, 07:00:15 PM
okay. then.. I think I am going to go to that store and check out that mac book deal. That's the new mac book... here (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/canadastore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=2D3AC798&nclm=MacBook). should be good, huh? sorry I am asking retarded questions.. this is my first laptop :o
Yeah, but you've gotta get the educational discount. Otherwise, that other site is better.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 07:05:25 PM
the Canadian Educational Store requires a student ID, which I don't have. :(


okay one last Q: Does anybody have opinions on T60s?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: FossilJ on December 25, 2006, 07:06:10 PM
Unless you absolutely have to buy today, Strad, I'd suggest spending more time researching this stuff.  A laptop is a huge purchase.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 07:16:57 PM
I agree. My mom was pushing me! all right.. enough for now. More research required
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Groundhog on December 25, 2006, 07:19:12 PM
the Canadian Educational Store requires a student ID, which I don't have. :(
Then definitely for the other site, if it's still the best deal when you decide to purchase, but...

Unless you absolutely have to buy today, Strad, I'd suggest spending more time researching this stuff.  A laptop is a huge purchase.
As J said, I'd wait. There will likely be one or two revisions to the MacBook line before law school, and with a lot of emerging technologies for laptops at the moment, there could be serious advantages to waiting, beyond just increased clockspeed.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 07:29:06 PM
i heart my macbook.

I heart you.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 07:35:53 PM
If you're going to buy a Mac, wait until at least late January.  Macworld Conference and Expo is held in January and it's likely Apple will be offering newer and better hardware by then.  Even if you end up buying the same kind of computer, at least it will be cheaper.

These days, you can't go wrong with a Mac now they they can run Windows XP natively.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Groundhog on December 25, 2006, 08:01:03 PM
If you're going to buy a Mac, wait until at least late January.  Macworld Conference and Expo is held in January and it's likely Apple will be offering newer and better hardware by then.  Even if you end up buying the same kind of computer, at least it will be cheaper.

These days, you can't go wrong with a Mac now they they can run Windows XP natively.

And why not wait until later? Most law schools don't start til August or September. That's a long time from now.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 08:22:10 PM

And why not wait until later? Most law schools don't start til August or September. That's a long time from now.

Exactly.  The product cycle is 6 months or so in computer-world.  Wait another 6 months and you can either buy the better model for today's price or today's model for a better price.



I fell prey to the Boxing Day week advertising madness - well, momentarily. Sense has now been restored..
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 25, 2006, 08:23:46 PM
If you're going to buy a Mac, wait until at least late January.  Macworld Conference and Expo is held in January and it's likely Apple will be offering newer and better hardware by then.  Even if you end up buying the same kind of computer, at least it will be cheaper.

These days, you can't go wrong with a Mac now they they can run Windows XP natively.

Hot.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 09:11:00 PM
i heart my macbook.

Hmmm when did you get it? Could you elaborate just a little?


At the risk of repeating what others have said; it's a small, thin, light, beautiful, solid machine that is more of a workhorse than any PC laptop I've ever had.  It comes with plenty of fun features for our demographic as well, and the Mac OS has a right to be as cocky as they are about the superiority of their system.

I do have Windows installed on part of my hard drive, but I had a hard time doing it  - emotionally, i mean.  I felt as though I was sullying my pristine machine.  It does work, however.  Windows running on a mac finally switched me over because I know that there are some programs that just absolutely will not run on a mac...the only one I can think of that I'd really need being ExamSoft for law school.  Once macs could run windows, I no longer worried about the occasional piece of software that might be incompatible, and I made the switch.  I'm extremely happy - it's just a very intuitive machine.

I agree however that you should wait until you absolutely need it to purchase a new laptop.  I'm going to wince when Apple comes out with a new laptop to blow my Macbook away, but no reason for you to suffer the same fate.  Wait until August when you will have a school email address and you can get a sweet educational discount (even if you can get that discount now, might as well wait for whatever spiffy technology is coming out next).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 09:11:33 PM
i heart my macbook.

I heart you.


hehe, thanks.  that's sweet.  ;)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 25, 2006, 09:29:02 PM
you still need to check with the schools...our "ExamSoft", which is something different, was not supported on WindowsXP running Macs (for whatever reason.)

Also, I have a small, light weight, robust machine and it is not a mac.  js...
-it's also beautiful.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 09:55:39 PM
If you're going to buy a Mac, wait until at least late January.  Macworld Conference and Expo is held in January and it's likely Apple will be offering newer and better hardware by then.  Even if you end up buying the same kind of computer, at least it will be cheaper.

These days, you can't go wrong with a Mac now they they can run Windows XP natively.

And why not wait until later? Most law schools don't start til August or September. That's a long time from now.

That's why I said wait until at least late January.  I was alluding to the fact that she should wait as long as possible.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 09:59:53 PM

These days, you can't go wrong with a Mac now they they can run Windows XP natively.

I find it really funny that the biggest selling point of Macs now (at least in some circles) is that they can run Windows.

 :D

Yeah.  Apple's switch to Intel in of itself is ironic.  For the longest time they've basically said that Intel chips weren't that good since they used the clockspeed marketing ploy, ie "megahertz myth."  Apple's PowerPC processors (actually most of them have been IBM or Motorola chips) were touted as being far superior to Intel chips. 

Who's got the last laugh now, huh?  Oh well - that's the business world, I suppose.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 10:02:11 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 10:15:04 PM
I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D


yes it is!  ;)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 10:15:35 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 10:18:26 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.

I assume you use Bootcamp, LoveButton?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 10:22:27 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.

I assume you use Bootcamp, LoveButton?


Yep!  I think I'm going to repartition my hard drive though, since I only gave windows 5GB of space.  I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I can't upgrade Windows to Service Pack 2 (which is necessary, apparently) b/c of a lack of space, so it looks like I'll be going through the process again...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 10:33:30 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.

I assume you use Bootcamp, LoveButton?


Yep!  I think I'm going to repartition my hard drive though, since I only gave windows 5GB of space.  I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I can't upgrade Windows to Service Pack 2 (which is necessary, apparently) b/c of a lack of space, so it looks like I'll be going through the process again...

Cool beans.  What do you use Windows for?  For law school?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 10:34:55 PM

Ironically, IBM's now focusing on chips for special applications like Gaming, and I believe an IBM chip is at the core of Microsoft's XBOX.

Ironic because the XBOX 360 uses an IBM chip (and ATI GPU, for the record) and the first XBOX used an Intel chip (and nVidia GPU)?  Or for some other reason I'm not smart enough to see...



Ironic in that, Apple left IBM and went to Intel, and got the benefit of running Windows software on their systems at the same time that Microsoft, who owns Windows, was developing its own gaming "OS" for IBM based PowerPC chips.

Maybe I'm just taking an Alanis Morrisette approach to irony.

Makes sense to me.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 10:36:39 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.

I assume you use Bootcamp, LoveButton?


Yep!  I think I'm going to repartition my hard drive though, since I only gave windows 5GB of space.  I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I can't upgrade Windows to Service Pack 2 (which is necessary, apparently) b/c of a lack of space, so it looks like I'll be going through the process again...

Cool beans.  What do you use Windows for?  For law school?


No, I'm not in law school yet (although I'd planned to use it for ExamSoft when I got there).  I actually just use it to play AfterDark Games (http://www.amazon.com/Vivendi-Universal-70821-After-Games/dp/B00001N2OU) which is completely mindless and kind of embarassing, but makes a good mental vacation when I need one.

I'm sure I'll do something productive and necessary on Windows eventually...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 10:37:27 PM

Maybe I'm just taking an Alanis Morrisette approach to irony.


Now there's something you're not going to learn in a dual JD/MBA any time soon!!  ;D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 10:41:23 PM

Maybe I'm just taking an Alanis Morrisette approach to irony.


Now there's something you're not going to learn in a dual JD/MBA any time soon!!  ;D

Fun from Wikipedia:

The song's usage of the word "ironic" attracted attention from people concerned with the correct use of the English language. Some situations that Morissette describes in the song are arguably examples of cosmic irony: events that, as the Oxford English Dictionary puts it, appear "as if in mockery of the fitness or rightness of things", such as "a death row pardon/two minutes too late". Others appear to be merely unfortunate (not even improbable or coincidental), such as "a black fly/in your Chardonnay" (*Footnote-The joke here is that Chardonnay is a white wine.) or "A traffic jam/when you're already late".

If one discounts cosmic irony, however, it is arguable that the song is ironic in and of itself - there is a fundamental incongruity in a song titled "Ironic" which ultimately contains no irony. During an appearance on Sessions@AOL, Morissette discussed "Ironic" and recounted an incident where "a woman came up to me in a bookstore bathroom and asked 'Is the ironic thing about "Ironic" that it's not actually filled with ironies?' I nodded and smiled."

An analysis of the ironic lack of irony in "Ironic" by Irish comedian Ed Byrne includes:

    "There's nothing ironic about being stuck in a traffic jam when you're late for something. Unless you're a town planner. If you were a town planner and you were on your way to a seminar of town planners at which you were giving a talk on how you solved the problem of traffic congestion in your area, couldn't get to it because you were stuck in a traffic jam, that'd be well ironic."

    "Rain on your wedding day is ironic only if marrying a weatherman and he set the date."

    "A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break, that's inconsiderate office management. A no-smoking sign in a cigarette factory - irony."

The song and video were discussed at length in VH1's I Love the '90s. Mo Rocca commented in the broadcast, "Irony is the disparity between what you expect will happen, and what does happen. So raining on your wedding day isn't ironic, it's just crappy. It would have been ironic if she had lived in a place like Seattle, and traveled to the desert of Mexico for a wedding and it ended up raining there, but not in Seattle. Alanis always gets the last laugh though. We all sit here, saying her song isn't ironic, but in fact, that's pretty ironic that she wrote a song called 'Ironic' that wasn't really ironic. Those Canadians are pretty crafty."

"Ironic" was parodied in an MTV television commercial featuring Donal Logue as a cab-driver with his quadruplicate counterparts spouting similarly un-ironic ideas. (One sample: "It's like meeting the girl of your dreams and finding out she's five.")



love it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 10:42:53 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.

I assume you use Bootcamp, LoveButton?


Yep!  I think I'm going to repartition my hard drive though, since I only gave windows 5GB of space.  I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I can't upgrade Windows to Service Pack 2 (which is necessary, apparently) b/c of a lack of space, so it looks like I'll be going through the process again...

Cool beans.  What do you use Windows for?  For law school?


No, I'm not in law school yet (although I'd planned to use it for ExamSoft when I got there).  I actually just use it to play AfterDark Games (http://www.amazon.com/Vivendi-Universal-70821-After-Games/dp/B00001N2OU) which is completely mindless and kind of embarassing, but makes a good mental vacation when I need one.

I'm sure I'll do something productive and necessary on Windows eventually...

Hahaha, that's priceless.  :D  I guess all that work you spend on school and the LSAT warrants a break now and then.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on December 25, 2006, 10:45:09 PM

Ironically, IBM's now focusing on chips for special applications like Gaming, and I believe an IBM chip is at the core of Microsoft's XBOX.

Ironic because the XBOX 360 uses an IBM chip (and ATI GPU, for the record) and the first XBOX used an Intel chip (and nVidia GPU)?  Or for some other reason I'm not smart enough to see...



Ironic in that, Apple left IBM and went to Intel, and got the benefit of running Windows software on their systems at the same time that Microsoft, who owns Windows, was developing its own gaming "OS" for IBM based PowerPC chips.

Maybe I'm just taking an Alanis Morrisette approach to irony.

Morissette irony is simply unfortunate.  (note...i did not read the wiki posting.)

PC makers used x86 chips because they were the cheapest, i believe.  then windows was written for the x86 chipsets.  MS could care less what chips everyone was using, just so long as they were all using the same and were backwards compatible.

I'm not sure that's irony so much as "good business decision."

 ;)

Oh, and no one should buy a laptop until a maximum of two months before you need it.  There's no reason to get it early.  Computers are computers.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 10:46:36 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.

I assume you use Bootcamp, LoveButton?


Yep!  I think I'm going to repartition my hard drive though, since I only gave windows 5GB of space.  I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I can't upgrade Windows to Service Pack 2 (which is necessary, apparently) b/c of a lack of space, so it looks like I'll be going through the process again...

Cool beans.  What do you use Windows for?  For law school?


No, I'm not in law school yet (although I'd planned to use it for ExamSoft when I got there). I actually just use it to play AfterDark Games (http://www.amazon.com/Vivendi-Universal-70821-After-Games/dp/B00001N2OU) which is completely mindless and kind of embarassing, but makes a good mental vacation when I need one.

I'm sure I'll do something productive and necessary on Windows eventually...

Hahaha, that's priceless.  :D  I guess all that work you spend on school and the LSAT warrants a break now and then.


try as i might, i can't pull myself away from it!  they put crack in "Roof Rats," i'm telling you.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 25, 2006, 10:52:28 PM
Hmm.. thanks LoveButton. You have answered some important questions for me while I remained completely inarticulate. Haha.. That is reassuring to hear that running Windows on a Mac works quite okay.

I heart you too. Is that sweet?  ;D

You'll get to choose between two programs/methods.  There's something called "Parallels" and "Bootcamp."


right - i barely ever run my mac on windows.

I assume you use Bootcamp, LoveButton?


Yep!  I think I'm going to repartition my hard drive though, since I only gave windows 5GB of space.  I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I can't upgrade Windows to Service Pack 2 (which is necessary, apparently) b/c of a lack of space, so it looks like I'll be going through the process again...

Cool beans.  What do you use Windows for?  For law school?


No, I'm not in law school yet (although I'd planned to use it for ExamSoft when I got there). I actually just use it to play AfterDark Games (http://www.amazon.com/Vivendi-Universal-70821-After-Games/dp/B00001N2OU) which is completely mindless and kind of embarassing, but makes a good mental vacation when I need one.

I'm sure I'll do something productive and necessary on Windows eventually...

Hahaha, that's priceless.  :D  I guess all that work you spend on school and the LSAT warrants a break now and then.


try as i might, i can't pull myself away from it!  they put crack in "Roof Rats," i'm telling you.

There's heroin in Tetris; I still play my Gameboy... ;D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 25, 2006, 11:22:40 PM
There's heroin in Tetris; I still play my Gameboy... ;D

On Tetris -- if you have an hour to kill, this is an EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT documentary:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4662636869909322164&q=tetris

Don't click if you don't have the hour, as you will get hooked in pretty quickly.


as much as i want to, i am NOT going to click.  No.  it is bedtime for me...after-xmas sales tomorrow...!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: cultural_vacuum on December 26, 2006, 06:34:11 PM
okay one last Q: Does anybody have opinions on T60s?

I have a 14" T60 model from last year and so far it's been great. I really like the full size keyboard and the machine's "ruggedness". It doesn't get overly hot, like some laptops after running for long periods. It's also light. One thing: get as much RAM as you can afford. For what it's worth, most large businesses issue IBM/Lenovo laptops, such as the T60 to their employees.

If you want to save money, look around for discontinued configurations of the T60 that are on sale. Mine was under $1K, even after I upgraded the RAM.

From what I've seen, IBM/Lenovo has the best PC laptops in their price range.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: EEtoJD on December 26, 2006, 06:40:59 PM
The Toshiba Satellite laptops are great if you want a small one. The only downside is I can't find one that comes with a 1 GB DIMM, only 512's, so I have to get rid of them and buy two 1 GB sticks.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 26, 2006, 08:05:38 PM
I love this thread.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on December 27, 2006, 05:40:33 AM
I just ordered a 17" MacBook Pro a couple days ago!!  My home computer is dying, so it seemed like a good time to go ahead and do it.  I can't wait to start playing with it. :) 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 27, 2006, 10:03:59 AM
I just ordered a 17" MacBook Pro a couple days ago!!  My home computer is dying, so it seemed like a good time to go ahead and do it.  I can't wait to start playing with it. :) 


Woohoo!!  those machines are beautiful.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on December 27, 2006, 10:04:43 AM
I just ordered a 17" MacBook Pro a couple days ago!!  My home computer is dying, so it seemed like a good time to go ahead and do it.  I can't wait to start playing with it. :) 


Woohoo!!  those machines are beautiful.

:) :)  Got the email this morning that it has shipped.  Excited!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on December 27, 2006, 01:18:45 PM
i just found out the other day dell doesnt sell its accident protection in floriduh

>:(

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 27, 2006, 01:23:54 PM
edit: they require a studnet ID. :(

No one made a comment about studnet?

Huh????

It looks to be about the same price as you could get it directly from Apple. I don't have a Canadian student ID, and the US ones don't ask for ID #s, but try going to the Apple Canadian Education store, as it looks to be about the same price. Also, since you are planning on attending a US law school, it might be worth checking the conversion to see which would be more expensive.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 27, 2006, 01:50:13 PM
edit: they require a studnet ID. :(

No one made a comment about studnet?

Cal will be modeling for studnet's 2008 calendar....

There's officially something wrong with me: this immediately reminded me of Saved By the Bell - The College Years.

You young people have lost me with your quick wit.

WHAT?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 27, 2006, 02:04:52 PM
More of an obsession with Kelly Kapowski than quick wit in this case.

Ahh ... Kelly Kapowski  (flutters)

Well, all right.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on December 27, 2006, 04:28:39 PM
I just ordered a 17" MacBook Pro a couple days ago!!  My home computer is dying, so it seemed like a good time to go ahead and do it.  I can't wait to start playing with it. :) 


Woohoo!!  those machines are beautiful.

:) :)  Got the email this morning that it has shipped.  Excited!

I envy you...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 27, 2006, 04:38:20 PM
Some cool stuff for your new mac!

http://orbicule.com/undercover/

This program is like the Chuck Norris of laptop theft-recovery software.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 27, 2006, 07:29:47 PM
Some cool stuff for your new mac!

http://orbicule.com/undercover/

This program is like the Chuck Norris of laptop theft-recovery software.

Will keep this in mind.. (I think I'll end up getting a MacBook eventually)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on December 27, 2006, 08:24:06 PM
Some cool stuff for your new mac!

http://orbicule.com/undercover/

This program is like the Chuck Norris of laptop theft-recovery software.

Will keep this in mind.. (I think I'll end up getting a MacBook eventually)

blech
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 27, 2006, 09:21:13 PM
blech

What's your problem
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on December 28, 2006, 05:29:32 AM
Some cool stuff for your new mac!

http://orbicule.com/undercover/

This program is like the Chuck Norris of laptop theft-recovery software.

Thank you!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on December 28, 2006, 06:09:56 AM
blech

What's your problem

macs are just a current fad, and their giving many of you a false sense of security.

if they DO become more popular, you will see just as many viruses for them...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 28, 2006, 09:53:12 AM
blech

What's your problem

macs are just a current fad, and their giving many of you a false sense of security.

if they DO become more popular, you will see just as many viruses for them...

Then I'll switch back! :D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 28, 2006, 11:44:27 AM
blech

What's your problem

macs are just a current fad, and their giving many of you a false sense of security.

if they DO become more popular, you will see just as many viruses for them...

bull.  The OS is constructed in a way that makes it less prone to viruses, even if all the virus writers were after it.

Furthermore, lack of viruses has hardly the only reason to switch to a Mac.  In fact, for many, it's low on the list.

Hot.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 28, 2006, 02:43:17 PM
I'll (probably) never buy a mac, but I'd recommend one to someone who doesn't want to worry about breaking their computer easily

Same here.

And that person is me!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on December 28, 2006, 02:46:28 PM
I'll (probably) never buy a mac, but I'd recommend one to someone who doesn't want to worry about breaking their computer easily

Same here.

And that person is me!

u need linux(not ubuntu).

install it yourself, on a tablet.

while drunk.

with a hammer near by

;D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 28, 2006, 06:02:15 PM

You should tell that to every one of my relatives, who all have infected boxes and were begging me to come fix them while I was home for the holidays. 


Teehee.

ewwww.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: amaterasu on December 28, 2006, 08:34:35 PM
I'll (probably) never buy a mac, but I'd recommend one to someone who doesn't want to worry about breaking their computer easily

Same here.

And that person is me!

u need linux(not ubuntu).

install it yourself, on a tablet.

while drunk.

with a hammer near by

;D

Why not ubuntu?  If it's because it's too easy to use, you should probably ban Fedora Core and SUSE too. 

Or, even better, just tell them to do a stage 1 installation of Gentoo. :D

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on December 29, 2006, 04:40:42 AM
I'll (probably) never buy a mac, but I'd recommend one to someone who doesn't want to worry about breaking their computer easily

Same here.

And that person is me!

u need linux(not ubuntu).

install it yourself, on a tablet.

while drunk.

with a hammer near by

;D

Why not ubuntu?  If it's because it's too easy to use, you should probably ban Fedora Core and SUSE too. 

Or, even better, just tell them to do a stage 1 installation of Gentoo. :D



yeah, but i couldnt remember all the ez ones, and cant think of the name of a super hard one...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on December 29, 2006, 06:13:41 AM
It's at my local FedEx facility as of 7:14 this morning!!!!  They better deliver it today!  Otherwise, I'm going to the facility myself this afternoon and will demand it. :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on December 29, 2006, 01:38:35 PM
Woooo... I'm on my new computer!  On somebody else's wireless network, while my husband tries to figure out why the password to ours doesn't work.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on December 29, 2006, 01:45:32 PM
Congatulations, flyaway! How exciting!! :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on December 29, 2006, 04:00:02 PM

You should tell that to every one of my relatives, who all have infected boxes and were begging me to come fix them while I was home for the holidays. 


Teehee.

ewwww.

awesome.


Sometimes I feel like I'm twelve years old again...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on December 29, 2006, 05:39:09 PM

You should tell that to every one of my relatives, who all have infected boxes and were begging me to come fix them while I was home for the holidays. 


Teehee.

ewwww.

awesome.


Sometimes I feel like I'm twelve years old again...

that feeling will only last the rest of your life...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 20, 2007, 05:02:46 PM
I'm getting a MacBook in the next few days. Anyone think of any reason why I should not?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on January 20, 2007, 05:07:44 PM
I'm getting a MacBook in the next few days. Anyone think of any reason why I should not?

I was going to a few weeks ago and some people told me to hold it for a while. Radical changes to come or something.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on January 20, 2007, 05:24:43 PM
i can say this, my next note book is going to be ALOT more powerful!  :(
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 20, 2007, 05:28:29 PM
I'm getting a MacBook in the next few days. Anyone think of any reason why I should not?

No reason, really. 

If you do end up buying your MacBook in a few days, don't buy it until at least Tuesday afternoon.  Many Macintosh hardware updates are made on Tuesday mornings.  Also, FYI:

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 20, 2007, 06:20:45 PM
i just want to know when i can finally buy iWork '07.  Over the course of the year, I have fallen in love with Keynote.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 20, 2007, 06:29:06 PM
I'm getting a MacBook in the next few days. Anyone think of any reason why I should not?

No reason, really. 

If you do end up buying your MacBook in a few days, don't buy it until at least Tuesday afternoon.  Many Macintosh hardware updates are made on Tuesday mornings.  Also, FYI:

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

wait what exactly does that mean?
I was going to order it from a local computer shop.
Here are my reasons for an against the Macbook (I want to get the 2.0 GHZ Core 2 Duo with the 80 Gig hard drive):

1. Mac OS X, I like the simplicity it offers. I used to have to run PCs because my major required that I use software made for it (coding and stuff). Also Macs are less targets of spam and adware.
2. I can't find the same processor on any other laptop for cheaper. And I like the larger cache on the 2.0 GHz core 2 duo.
3. I'd rather have a screen that was not widescreen. I hate that I can't see as many lines of text on a widescreen computer, but with LCD monitors being so cheap, I'll connect my laptop to a monitor whenever I'm at home. In that case the small MacBook is better than those bulky 15.4 widescreen computers.
4. I need something now, waiting for something better in the high-tech world is just crazy. Something better will always be on the horizon and whatever is available will always be cheaper in the future. It's the nature of the industry. Originally I was going to wait until I start law school in fall to get one but now that I'm going off to a foreign country on a study term very soon, I need a laptop now.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 20, 2007, 06:30:35 PM
I know that I should probably wait for OS 10.5 and Ilife 07, but damn it, who knows when those will come out. I need something now!. But i will wait until tuesday afternoon even though I know it'll make no difference.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 20, 2007, 06:40:34 PM
i heard a rumor that iLife '07 will not be included in the Leopard operating system.  is OS 10.5 the same as leopard?  or is it just an update of Tiger?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on January 20, 2007, 09:54:27 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on January 20, 2007, 10:32:21 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.


We think you're drunk.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on January 20, 2007, 10:32:47 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.


We think you're drunk.


Hardly, father.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on January 20, 2007, 10:34:49 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.


We think you're drunk.


Hardly, father.


::shakes head, once again disappointed in progeny::
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on January 20, 2007, 11:12:31 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.


We think you're drunk.


Hardly, father.


::shakes head, once again disappointed in progeny::


what, you expect me to be drunk?
high??
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on January 20, 2007, 11:13:19 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.


We think you're drunk.


Hardly, father.


::shakes head, once again disappointed in progeny::


what, you expect me to be drunk?
high??


I am disappointed at the lies.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on January 20, 2007, 11:14:14 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.


We think you're drunk.


Hardly, father.


::shakes head, once again disappointed in progeny::


what, you expect me to be drunk?
high??


I am disappointed at the lies.


You are the last person I would lie to, father. And it's only because I know you can take it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on January 20, 2007, 11:19:52 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.


We think you're drunk.


Hardly, father.


::shakes head, once again disappointed in progeny::


what, you expect me to be drunk?
high??


I am disappointed at the lies.


You are the last person I would lie to, father. And it's only because I know you can take it.


We know nothing of the sort.  The liquor is really working.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 20, 2007, 11:59:24 PM
I think LoveButton is hot.

thanks ;)  drunk or not.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 05:24:15 AM
Here are my reasons for an against the Macbook (I want to get the 2.0 GHZ Core 2 Duo with the 80 Gig hard drive):

...

2. I can't find the same processor on any other laptop for cheaper. And I like the larger cache on the 2.0 GHz core 2 duo.

Srsly?  I really doubt that.  The dual core 2.0 GHz w/4 MB cache might not be in stock models, but it's an upgrade option on almost every laptop I've looked at.

3. I'd rather have a screen that was not widescreen. I hate that I can't see as many lines of text on a widescreen computer, but with LCD monitors being so cheap, I'll connect my laptop to a monitor whenever I'm at home. In that case the small MacBook is better than those bulky 15.4 widescreen computers.

All of the MacBooks and MacBook Pros are widescreen...  1280x800 native resolution on the MacBooks = 16:10 aspect ratio = widescreen.  On the other hand, you'll be seeing *more* lines of text than I can on my old non-widescreen laptop with native resolution 1024x768.

But, if OSX is your thing and you need a laptop now, do it.  Although *please* get the black one.  For me.

EDIT:  Also, consider that some (many?) schools don't support macs for exams.  Might be a factor.

i'm gonna put vista on it at some point in time. Also the black just seems more expensive for no reason.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 21, 2007, 10:11:10 AM
I think LoveButton is hot.

I think we all do.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 21, 2007, 10:13:01 AM
I'm getting a MacBook in the next few days. Anyone think of any reason why I should not?

No reason, really. 

If you do end up buying your MacBook in a few days, don't buy it until at least Tuesday afternoon.  Many Macintosh hardware updates are made on Tuesday mornings.  Also, FYI:

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

wait what exactly does that mean?
I was going to order it from a local computer shop.
Here are my reasons for an against the Macbook (I want to get the 2.0 GHZ Core 2 Duo with the 80 Gig hard drive):

1. Mac OS X, I like the simplicity it offers. I used to have to run PCs because my major required that I use software made for it (coding and stuff). Also Macs are less targets of spam and adware.
2. I can't find the same processor on any other laptop for cheaper. And I like the larger cache on the 2.0 GHz core 2 duo.
3. I'd rather have a screen that was not widescreen. I hate that I can't see as many lines of text on a widescreen computer, but with LCD monitors being so cheap, I'll connect my laptop to a monitor whenever I'm at home. In that case the small MacBook is better than those bulky 15.4 widescreen computers.
4. I need something now, waiting for something better in the high-tech world is just crazy. Something better will always be on the horizon and whatever is available will always be cheaper in the future. It's the nature of the industry. Originally I was going to wait until I start law school in fall to get one but now that I'm going off to a foreign country on a study term very soon, I need a laptop now.

Hardware updates include things like "speed bumps" which are slight increases in CPU speed and other features.  Sometimes Apple just leaves everything the same and drops the price.

I would order the MacBook online or from an Apple Store - you can get a student discount of about $100-$200.

Remember, with the MacBook, the graphics card shares its video memory with main memory (or something along those lines).  This means that you have a crippled machine.  If you don't need to use applications like Final Cut Pro or don't play many games, you'll be fine and this is nothing to worry about.

OS X 10.5 (Leopard) probably won't come out until at least April - don't wait to buy your notebook because of Leopard.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 21, 2007, 10:16:01 AM
Here are my reasons for an against the Macbook (I want to get the 2.0 GHZ Core 2 Duo with the 80 Gig hard drive):

...

2. I can't find the same processor on any other laptop for cheaper. And I like the larger cache on the 2.0 GHz core 2 duo.

Srsly?  I really doubt that.  The dual core 2.0 GHz w/4 MB cache might not be in stock models, but it's an upgrade option on almost every laptop I've looked at.

3. I'd rather have a screen that was not widescreen. I hate that I can't see as many lines of text on a widescreen computer, but with LCD monitors being so cheap, I'll connect my laptop to a monitor whenever I'm at home. In that case the small MacBook is better than those bulky 15.4 widescreen computers.

All of the MacBooks and MacBook Pros are widescreen...  1280x800 native resolution on the MacBooks = 16:10 aspect ratio = widescreen.  On the other hand, you'll be seeing *more* lines of text than I can on my old non-widescreen laptop with native resolution 1024x768.

But, if OSX is your thing and you need a laptop now, do it.  Although *please* get the black one.  For me.

EDIT:  Also, consider that some (many?) schools don't support macs for exams.  Might be a factor.

i'm gonna put vista on it at some point in time. Also the black just seems more expensive for no reason.

From what I've read in the Wall Street Journal, Vista really pushes and strains current high end PC desktop machines.  I highly doubt a MacBook will be able to run anything but a stripped down version of Vista and have only one application running at one time.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 11:47:10 AM
no black for me. 200$ to upgrade from a white to a black and a 40Gig jump is not worth it. I mean for 200$ I could get a 250G external harddrive.

And good call on the education version of the macbook. It's taking off 100$ for me. That means I can send that app to CLS for no reason.

Another question, should I go Iwork for 90$ or Microsoft Office for 150$?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: hhhheey on January 21, 2007, 11:50:48 AM
Hey guys i have the macbook and i just wanted to mention to all of you that even though it's great in many ways the screen is very small and i think it would be better to buy a notebook that has a nice large screen for law school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 21, 2007, 11:52:56 AM
no black for me. 200$ to upgrade from a white to a black and a 40Gig jump is not worth it. I mean for 200$ I could get a 250G external harddrive.

And good call on the education version of the macbook. It's taking off 100$ for me. That means I can send that app to CLS for no reason.

Another question, should I go Iwork for 90$ or Microsoft Office for 150$?

I'd go MS Office.  It should be completely compatible with MS Office documents on Windows machines.  I have both a Mac and PC and it's nice to type up something in MS Word on my PowerBook then continue working on it with my ThinkPad, if needed.

I don't know iWork's compatibility with Windows machines.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 11:53:43 AM
Hey guys i have the macbook and i just wanted to mention to all of you that even though it's great in many ways the screen is very small and i think it would be better to buy a notebook that has a nice large screen for law school.

Good suggestion, I was going to buy a big monitor when I use it at home. It's ok, I write most of my papers by hand first anyways.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: hhhheey on January 21, 2007, 12:15:23 PM
yeah i think that's what i'm going to do. Or just buy a desk top too. I think dell has some for about $500.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on January 21, 2007, 12:26:53 PM
This may or may not influence you, but some schools (as of yet) still don't support Macs for test taking.  I'd check with the school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 12:42:22 PM
This may or may not influence you, but some schools (as of yet) still don't support Macs for test taking.  I'd check with the school.

ahhh, looks like i better backtrack and rethink my purchase.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on January 21, 2007, 12:46:46 PM
This may or may not influence you, but some schools (as of yet) still don't support Macs for test taking.  I'd check with the school.

ahhh, looks like i better backtrack and rethink my purchase.

on the other hand, i think a lot do.  everyone who wanted to take their test had to borrow a computer or get a crappy laptop just to take the test.  on the other hand, i've yet to be impressed with my school's IT stuff, so maybe it's just my school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 01:10:38 PM
Ahhh, I guess I'll just go with a Thinkpad then. Looks like no Macs for me. just as well, will save the money upgrading to Vista.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sillyberry on January 21, 2007, 01:18:13 PM
If anyone is buying a Dell in the next month, PM me.  I have a voucher I can't use right now and would love to sell at a discount.

(If this isn't kosher on LSD, let me know)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 21, 2007, 01:44:42 PM
you can install windows on your mac for exam-taking.

also, most schools rent out PC laptops (i think for free) if you absolutely need a PC.

i wouldn't base the decision on law school exams - you're going to be using your laptop for a lot more than that, and having a mac is not incompatible with taking exams on a computer in law school.

as far as iWork or Office, I think you definitely need office, but if you plan to be making any professional presentations, I'd highly recommend getting iWork for keynote, which is absolutely stunning.  with an educational discount, it's only $50.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on January 21, 2007, 02:23:18 PM
Ahhh, I guess I'll just go with a Thinkpad then. Looks like no Macs for me. just as well, will save the money upgrading to Vista.

your school said they don't support them?

also, the other reason, while macs are great and all, i've always maintained that a business class machine is what is needed.  Lugging a laptop around all the time is dangerous (to the laptop.)  i think macbookPros are more robust, so, if you did get a mac then that would be another reason.

Just as a side note, i recently saw my classmate's white macbook.  let's just say that ifyou have (apparently) oily skin, white macbooks might not be the best solution (black and silver excepted.)

Oh, and at least our exam software required word.  that was the word processor that was used.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 02:40:44 PM
Ahhh, I guess I'll just go with a Thinkpad then. Looks like no Macs for me. just as well, will save the money upgrading to Vista.

your school said they don't support them?

also, the other reason, while macs are great and all, i've always maintained that a business class machine is what is needed.  Lugging a laptop around all the time is dangerous (to the laptop.)  i think macbookPros are more robust, so, if you did get a mac then that would be another reason.

Just as a side note, i recently saw my classmate's white macbook.  let's just say that ifyou have (apparently) oily skin, white macbooks might not be the best solution (black and silver excepted.)

Oh, and at least our exam software required word.  that was the word processor that was used.

Ok i'm gonna choose between these 2:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/61144000/wo/NDmLH2xy708q3NfOaxkqJ313s0s/2.?p (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/61144000/wo/NDmLH2xy708q3NfOaxkqJ313s0s/2.?p)Macbook

and

http://www.pc.ibm.com/ca/thinkpad/rseries/tprstp3.html (http://www.pc.ibm.com/ca/thinkpad/rseries/tprstp3.html)ThinkPad (the one furthest to the right)

I'm leaning towards the ThinkPad because:

1. Less software costs, I upgrade to Vista for free, I arleady have Microsoft Office for PC.
2. Bigger screen, system is not much bigger.
3. ThinkPad is more robust.
4. Although I do want the nice processor on the Macbook, I don't think I'll be using anything that will make me see the difference between the 2.
5. Bigger hard drive on ThinkPad
6. ThinkPad is allowed for exams. I haven't finalized the school I'll attend but I don't want to be stuck with having to use a laptop other than my own for exams.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on January 21, 2007, 03:21:03 PM
Ahhh, I guess I'll just go with a Thinkpad then. Looks like no Macs for me. just as well, will save the money upgrading to Vista.

your school said they don't support them?

also, the other reason, while macs are great and all, i've always maintained that a business class machine is what is needed.  Lugging a laptop around all the time is dangerous (to the laptop.)  i think macbookPros are more robust, so, if you did get a mac then that would be another reason.

Just as a side note, i recently saw my classmate's white macbook.  let's just say that ifyou have (apparently) oily skin, white macbooks might not be the best solution (black and silver excepted.)

Oh, and at least our exam software required word.  that was the word processor that was used.

Ok i'm gonna choose between these 2:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/61144000/wo/NDmLH2xy708q3NfOaxkqJ313s0s/2.?p (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/61144000/wo/NDmLH2xy708q3NfOaxkqJ313s0s/2.?p)Macbook

and

http://www.pc.ibm.com/ca/thinkpad/rseries/tprstp3.html (http://www.pc.ibm.com/ca/thinkpad/rseries/tprstp3.html)ThinkPad (the one furthest to the right)

I'm leaning towards the ThinkPad because:

1. Less software costs, I upgrade to Vista for free, I arleady have Microsoft Office for PC.
2. Bigger screen, system is not much bigger.
3. ThinkPad is more robust.
4. Although I do want the nice processor on the Macbook, I don't think I'll be using anything that will make me see the difference between the 2.
5. Bigger hard drive on ThinkPad
6. ThinkPad is allowed for exams. I haven't finalized the school I'll attend but I don't want to be stuck with having to use a laptop other than my own for exams.

I absolutely love my thinkpad (x60s).  It weighs about 3 lbs and the battery lasts about 8 hours.  I never even bring the charger to school.  I would suggest you consider waiting until you're closer to school for 2 reasons.  1) The computer you want may be much cheaper/better and 2) schools often have discounts (I got the x60s at a great price).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 04:05:42 PM
Ahhh, it's so difficult to decide, but I'm pretty sure I need a laptop now. i'm going off to a foreign country and have no idea what kind of computer access I'm going to have. Plus having to manage my applications, LSAC and stuff on other people's computers probably won't work. Anyways, I might as well get one of those 2 mentioned above. I can bear the costs now, i'll put it to immediate use and both will be sufficient to get through 3 years of law school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 21, 2007, 04:54:34 PM
i love my white macbook!!!

no problem with fingerprints or grease of any kind.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 05:41:58 PM
i love my white macbook!!!

no problem with fingerprints or grease of any kind.

I hear washing one's hands is useful for that too.  :D

if only apple didn't price that black Macbook so that the colour is some stupid luxury.


Anyways I think I'm gonna get the ThinkPad. I need something that can withstand some abuse. My last laptop died within 18months because I abused it. Well, more like I ran some software simulation for like 2 days straight on it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 21, 2007, 07:54:17 PM
i love my white macbook!!!

no problem with fingerprints or grease of any kind.

I hear washing one's hands is useful for that too.  :D

oh WOOOOOOOWWWWW...i should really try THAT then, huh??

hehe.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 21, 2007, 08:30:39 PM
i love my white macbook!!!

no problem with fingerprints or grease of any kind.

I hear washing one's hands is useful for that too.  :D

oh WOOOOOOOWWWWW...i should really try THAT then, huh??

hehe.

don't. you're macbook will evenualy turn black.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on January 21, 2007, 09:49:37 PM
i love my white macbook!!!

no problem with fingerprints or grease of any kind.

I hear washing one's hands is useful for that too.  :D

oh WOOOOOOOWWWWW...i should really try THAT then, huh??

hehe.

don't. you're macbook will evenualy turn black.

that'll up the resale value!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 23, 2007, 12:52:29 PM
I'm leaning towards this one:

http://www.dailytech.com/New+ASUS+A8Jr+Notebook+Features+ATIs+Mobility+Radeon+X2300/article5802.htm

Good price/portability/feature compromise - and should be very future proof - so longer lifespan.

I think it should go for $1500 when it is released - and hopefully $100-200 less when it is time for me to buy.

I really wish I could just keep my work laptop - it's been pretty handy...

Do you need that fancy GPU?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 23, 2007, 03:15:36 PM
Oh Law Monkey, for a second there, I thought you were someone else from LSD!  :D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mumbling2myself on January 23, 2007, 03:21:58 PM
I have a htpc hooked up to the tv - but the problem is when my wife wants to watch "american top x," I'd like to be able to play games in this situation. The cost increase is pretty minimal (it's not really a fancy gpu card). Also - it should help upscale dvds better than integrated graphics. I'd buy the older version of the same laptop (but I don't think the price diff will be much either).

Also: A DirectX 10 card will be handy if/when I upgrade to vista (this bad boy needs to last at 5 years+).

Couldn't you just wait a week and buy it with vista pre-loaded?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on January 23, 2007, 04:16:41 PM
even though ive only had mine a week, i can say

GET A TABLET!!!!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bass on January 23, 2007, 08:07:17 PM
even though ive only had mine a week, i can say

GET A TABLET!!!!

They seem overrated (watching people who "use" them in class).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 24, 2007, 07:25:51 AM
Couldn't you just wait a week and buy it with vista pre-loaded?

It's still buggy and doesn't support a lot of software. Plus I don't know if it will support what is used at whichever law school I go to (doesn't look like NYU allows it yet).


Smart decision.  I haven't heard of anyone recommending getting Vista.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on January 24, 2007, 08:28:14 AM
Couldn't you just wait a week and buy it with vista pre-loaded?

It's still buggy and doesn't support a lot of software. Plus I don't know if it will support what is used at whichever law school I go to (doesn't look like NYU allows it yet).


Smart decision.  I haven't heard of anyone recommending getting Vista.

1st gen windows software tends to be very buggy (this goes for 1st gen software in general for some companies).  i would be warry of getting vista as soon it comes out.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on January 24, 2007, 08:37:33 AM
Couldn't you just wait a week and buy it with vista pre-loaded?

It's still buggy and doesn't support a lot of software. Plus I don't know if it will support what is used at whichever law school I go to (doesn't look like NYU allows it yet).


Smart decision.  I haven't heard of anyone recommending getting Vista.

1st gen windows software tends to be very buggy (this goes for 1st gen software in general for some companies).  i would be warry of getting vista as soon it comes out.

Not to mention very few current computers being able to run it right now...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on January 24, 2007, 09:04:09 AM
i'm still running windows 2000. Still imo the best version of windows out there.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: sillyberry on January 24, 2007, 01:31:28 PM
I disagree with your premise...  I personally wouldn't buy a laptop expecting it to keep me happy for more than a year or two.  It's a tool, like a nice pen.   ;)

I bought my current laptop in June 2003.  While I'm very excited to get a new one this summer, I'm definitely anticipating it will last through school.

So, to each their own.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on January 24, 2007, 02:05:42 PM
the toughbooks are cool.

http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/notebook-computers.asp


bit on the $$$ side.  :-\
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 06, 2007, 08:27:37 PM
Update:

I just bought the Thinkpad R60. The keyboard is really really clicky. In that it makes a lot of noice. I'm not sure if people will like that.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 06, 2007, 11:55:34 PM
You keyboard and everyone else's.  Eventually it just sounds like white noise.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 07, 2007, 02:57:37 PM
I hate computers... I hate them I hate them I hate them... >:(

And yet - I need a new one for LS next year.

Any Suggestions? Please!!! :-* Don't make me read through 50 pages on a topic I hate  >:( (there will be enough of that next year). In addition to hating comps, I know nothing about them. So yeah - clean slate here...

(veto on dells and macs... unless you have a compelling argument...)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Vick on February 07, 2007, 03:05:20 PM
Update:

I just bought the Thinkpad R60. The keyboard is really really clicky. In that it makes a lot of noice. I'm not sure if people will like that.

Besides the "clickiness," how do you like it so far?  I'm thinking about getting the R60 as well.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 07, 2007, 04:21:43 PM
Update:

I just bought the Thinkpad R60. The keyboard is really really clicky. In that it makes a lot of noice. I'm not sure if people will like that.

Besides the "clickiness," how do you like it so far?  I'm thinking about getting the R60 as well.

It's great, I haven't used that much of it though. Kind of disappointed it doesn't have bluetooth and an 1394 Firewire jack and a SD card read. The best thing about it I find is the case, it feels like a rock, which is a lot more than can be said of my last laptop. The fingerprint reader is rather convenient. The keys on the keybaord actually feel too big for me. The screen is not a TFT, so it doesn't look as nice but isn't as subject to glare. I think it'll definitely suit my uses well. Which is I need a business laptop for law school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 05:16:06 PM
Update:

I just bought the Thinkpad R60. The keyboard is really really clicky. In that it makes a lot of noice. I'm not sure if people will like that.

I LOVE clicky keyboards, especially on lap tops.  This is even more good news!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 05:17:02 PM
I hate computers... I hate them I hate them I hate them... >:(

And yet - I need a new one for LS next year.

Any Suggestions? Please!!! :-* Don't make me read through 50 pages on a topic I hate  >:( (there will be enough of that next year). In addition to hating comps, I know nothing about them. So yeah - clean slate here...

(veto on dells and macs... unless you have a compelling argument...)


1.  Quit using my f-ing name.
2.  Quit being lazy.


I do agree that someone on the first page should try to put together a list of the suggestions already made.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on February 07, 2007, 05:32:02 PM
I hate computers... I hate them I hate them I hate them... >:(

And yet - I need a new one for LS next year.

Any Suggestions? Please!!! :-* Don't make me read through 50 pages on a topic I hate  >:( (there will be enough of that next year). In addition to hating comps, I know nothing about them. So yeah - clean slate here...

(veto on dells and macs... unless you have a compelling argument...)


1.  Quit using my f-ing name.
2.  Quit being lazy.


I do agree that someone on the first page should try to put together a list of the suggestions already made.


Stop yelling at SugarJ! >:(
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 05:34:21 PM
I hate computers... I hate them I hate them I hate them... >:(

And yet - I need a new one for LS next year.

Any Suggestions? Please!!! :-* Don't make me read through 50 pages on a topic I hate  >:( (there will be enough of that next year). In addition to hating comps, I know nothing about them. So yeah - clean slate here...

(veto on dells and macs... unless you have a compelling argument...)


1.  Quit using my f-ing name.
2.  Quit being lazy.


I do agree that someone on the first page should try to put together a list of the suggestions already made.


Stop yelling at SugarJ! >:(


@#!* off.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on February 07, 2007, 05:46:25 PM
Stop yelling at SugarJ! >:(


@#!* off.


>:( stop scarying off innocent passerbys, you bully!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 05:57:52 PM
Stop yelling at SugarJ! >:(


@#!* off.


>:( stop scarying off innocent passerbys, you bully!


Yeah.  Right.  "Innocent."   ::)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 07, 2007, 06:27:27 PM
I hate computers... I hate them I hate them I hate them... >:(

And yet - I need a new one for LS next year.

Any Suggestions? Please!!! :-* Don't make me read through 50 pages on a topic I hate  >:( (there will be enough of that next year). In addition to hating comps, I know nothing about them. So yeah - clean slate here...

(veto on dells and macs... unless you have a compelling argument...)


1.  Quit using my f-ing name.
2.  Quit being lazy.


I do agree that someone on the first page should try to put together a list of the suggestions already made.


Stop yelling at SugarJ! >:(

Thanks  :D :D :D Jazz.

And Memories... as for YOU  >:( Are you BaboonJ [or whatever inane a-hole claimed I stole his name?]
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 06:28:40 PM
I hate computers... I hate them I hate them I hate them... >:(

And yet - I need a new one for LS next year.

Any Suggestions? Please!!! :-* Don't make me read through 50 pages on a topic I hate  >:( (there will be enough of that next year). In addition to hating comps, I know nothing about them. So yeah - clean slate here...

(veto on dells and macs... unless you have a compelling argument...)


1.  Quit using my f-ing name.
2.  Quit being lazy.


I do agree that someone on the first page should try to put together a list of the suggestions already made.


Stop yelling at SugarJ! >:(

Thanks  :D :D :D Jazz.

And Memories... as for YOU  >:( Are you BaboonJ [or whatever inane a-hole claimed I stole his name?]


Yes, I am.

1.  You DID steal my name.  I've been ___J for a long time.
2.  I am an a-hole.  So f-ing what?
3.  Your FACE is inane.
4.  Go @#!* yourself.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 07, 2007, 06:30:56 PM
I hate computers... I hate them I hate them I hate them... >:(

And yet - I need a new one for LS next year.

Any Suggestions? Please!!! :-* Don't make me read through 50 pages on a topic I hate  >:( (there will be enough of that next year). In addition to hating comps, I know nothing about them. So yeah - clean slate here...

(veto on dells and macs... unless you have a compelling argument...)


1.  Quit using my f-ing name.
2.  Quit being lazy.


I do agree that someone on the first page should try to put together a list of the suggestions already made.


Stop yelling at SugarJ! >:(

Thanks  :D :D :D Jazz.

And Memories... as for YOU  >:( Are you BaboonJ [or whatever inane a-hole claimed I stole his name?]


Yes, I am.

1.  You DID steal my name.  I've been ___J for a long time.
2.  I am an a-hole.  So f-ing what?
3.  Your FACE is inane.
4.  Go @#!* yourself.


Last time I checked Baboon =/= Sugar
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 06:32:50 PM
Where'd you learn to read?  Did they teach you how to UNDERSTAND what you're reading?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 07, 2007, 06:33:48 PM
Where'd you learn to read?  Did they teach you how to UNDERSTAND what you're reading?


Last time I checked Baboon =/= Sugar
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 06:36:12 PM
I wrote "____J".  Meaning anything with a "J" added to it, I pioneered on this site.  I've been all kinds of VariousJ for more than a year.

You lurking around as SugarJ means I am easily mistaken for you, and vice versa. 

YOU STOLE MY NAME!  f-ing DEAL WITH IT!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 07, 2007, 06:38:33 PM
I wrote "____J".  Meaning anything with a "J" added to it, I pioneered on this site.  I've been all kinds of VariousJ for more than a year.

You lurking around as SugarJ means I am easily mistaken for you, and vice versa. 

YOU STOLE MY NAME!  f-ing DEAL WITH IT!


1. So because 1/7 of your username is the same as mine [read: 1 letter] you believe I "stole" it?
2. Trust me - NOBODY would think I ( :-*) am you ( ??? >:()
3. You've been on this site for "more than a year"? Get a life, darling
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 06:41:11 PM
I wrote "____J".  Meaning anything with a "J" added to it, I pioneered on this site.  I've been all kinds of VariousJ for more than a year.

You lurking around as SugarJ means I am easily mistaken for you, and vice versa. 

YOU STOLE MY NAME!  f-ing DEAL WITH IT!


1. So because 1/7 of your username is the same as mine [read: 1 letter] you believe I "stole" it?
2. Trust me - NOBODY would think I ( :-*) am you ( ??? >:()
3. You've been on this site for "more than a year"? Get a life, darling


1.  It is the single identifying factor in my name.  For example, everyone around LSD simply now calls me J, because I've been ____J for so long.
2.  Yes, they would, if they're not consistent readers.  Joke's on you, though: I'm the a-hole, so you suffer the consequences.
3.  That's the most retarded thing I've ever f-ing heard.  Use your brain before you write such tripe.  Posting on LSD doesn't cost me a "life".  It doesn't cost anyone a "life".  My life's just fine, you ignorant piece of trash.
 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 07, 2007, 06:46:09 PM
I wrote "____J".  Meaning anything with a "J" added to it, I pioneered on this site.  I've been all kinds of VariousJ for more than a year.

You lurking around as SugarJ means I am easily mistaken for you, and vice versa. 

YOU STOLE MY NAME!  f-ing DEAL WITH IT!


1. So because 1/7 of your username is the same as mine [read: 1 letter] you believe I "stole" it?
2. Trust me - NOBODY would think I ( :-*) am you ( ??? >:()
3. You've been on this site for "more than a year"? Get a life, darling


1.  It is the single identifying factor in my name.  For example, everyone around LSD simply now calls me J, because I've been ____J for so long.
2.  Yes, they would, if they're not consistent readers.  Joke's on you, though: I'm the a-hole, so you suffer the consequences.
3.  That's the most retarded thing I've ever f-ing heard.  Use your brain before you write such tripe.  Posting on LSD doesn't cost me a "life".  It doesn't cost anyone a "life".  My life's just fine, you ignorant piece of trash.
 


You're absolutely right. LSD didn't "cost" you your life. Your socially awkward and angry soul did.

ANDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD we're done here. Move on, sucka.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 07:02:32 PM
How clever.  You'll find that your lame high school retorts don't work anymore.  That's because they weren't clever in the first place, and now you don't have your cliquey friends to back you up when nobody else laughs either.

And for @#!*'s sake, get a new name.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Memories of the J on February 07, 2007, 07:07:00 PM
How clever.  You'll find that your lame high school retorts don't work anymore.  That's because they weren't clever in the first place, and now you don't have your cliquey friends to back you up when nobody else laughs either.

And for @#!*'s sake, get a new name.


Done.  ;D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 07, 2007, 07:08:03 PM
Much better.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 07, 2007, 08:08:28 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thestradgirl on February 07, 2007, 08:11:40 PM
:D :D :D :D for a second I thought this was the I HATE EVERYONE! thread. J, you crack me up you crazy kiddo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 07, 2007, 08:29:35 PM
So anyhoos, I used to have an acer Travelmate, then it fried when I ran a 8 hour matlab simulation on it. I think the motherboard overheated because of the non-stop computation.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 07, 2007, 08:31:22 PM
So anyhoos, I used to have an acer Travelmate, then it fried when I ran a 8 hour matlab simulation on it. I think the motherboard overheated because of the non-stop computation.

I totally used matlab in UG.  And, I suppose that could happen, although I never needed to run an 8 hour simulation.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: HippieLawChick on February 07, 2007, 08:32:39 PM
My recommendation: get the smallest, lightest one you can afford.  Lugging around 6 pounds of laptop sucks big time!  (I am a 1L)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 07, 2007, 08:36:48 PM

3. You've been on this site for "more than a year"? Get a life, darling

This was my favorite.  I never get tired of hearing this argument. 

My recommendation: get the smallest, lightest one you can afford.  Lugging around 6 pounds of laptop sucks big time!  (I am a 1L)

This is correct, particularly if you (1) don't do much on a computer or (2) have a desktop at home.  I have Toshiba's portege R200 series.  It's light and durable but it does use some old technology (currently.)  Toshiba's new ultraportable looks pretty good.  The X60 series have gotten rave reviews, and Viaos are nice, but I think you have to pay too much for them, and Sony's reliability isn't known to be the best, especially considering the abuse that your laptop should take.

Everyone should get a business-class laptop (to combat the lugging.)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 07, 2007, 08:43:01 PM

3. You've been on this site for "more than a year"? Get a life, darling

This was my favorite.  I never get tired of hearing this argument. 

My recommendation: get the smallest, lightest one you can afford.  Lugging around 6 pounds of laptop sucks big time!  (I am a 1L)

This is correct, particularly if you (1) don't do much on a computer or (2) have a desktop at home.  I have Toshiba's portege R200 series.  It's light and durable but it does use some old technology (currently.)  Toshiba's new ultraportable looks pretty good.  The X60 series have gotten rave reviews, and Viaos are nice, but I think you have to pay to much for them, and Sony's reliability isn't known to be the best, especially considering the abuse that your laptop should take.

Everyone should get a business-class laptop (to combat the lugging.)

I learnt this the hard way with my Acer
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: HippieLawChick on February 07, 2007, 08:46:04 PM
Totally agree on the Sony Viao.  A lot of my classmates have that small Mac, and they love them.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 07, 2007, 08:50:49 PM

3. You've been on this site for "more than a year"? Get a life, darling

This was my favorite.  I never get tired of hearing this argument. 

My recommendation: get the smallest, lightest one you can afford.  Lugging around 6 pounds of laptop sucks big time!  (I am a 1L)

This is correct, particularly if you (1) don't do much on a computer or (2) have a desktop at home.  I have Toshiba's portege R200 series.  It's light and durable but it does use some old technology (currently.)  Toshiba's new ultraportable looks pretty good.  The X60 series have gotten rave reviews, and Viaos are nice, but I think you have to pay to much for them, and Sony's reliability isn't known to be the best, especially considering the abuse that your laptop should take.

Everyone should get a business-class laptop (to combat the lugging.)

I learnt this the hard way with my Acer

I thought it overheated?  Or, did you have additional problems?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 07, 2007, 09:03:42 PM

3. You've been on this site for "more than a year"? Get a life, darling

This was my favorite.  I never get tired of hearing this argument. 

My recommendation: get the smallest, lightest one you can afford.  Lugging around 6 pounds of laptop sucks big time!  (I am a 1L)

This is correct, particularly if you (1) don't do much on a computer or (2) have a desktop at home.  I have Toshiba's portege R200 series.  It's light and durable but it does use some old technology (currently.)  Toshiba's new ultraportable looks pretty good.  The X60 series have gotten rave reviews, and Viaos are nice, but I think you have to pay to much for them, and Sony's reliability isn't known to be the best, especially considering the abuse that your laptop should take.

Everyone should get a business-class laptop (to combat the lugging.)

I learnt this the hard way with my Acer

I thought it overheated?  Or, did you have additional problems?

I did give it a lot of abuse. So who knows.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 07, 2007, 09:06:03 PM
If people need to go on the cheap I'd recommend the Dell Latitude series.  The biggest comment that I hear is "You can really tell the different between it and the Inspiron.  It doesn't feel like it's going to fall apart when I pick it up!"  And so on.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 07, 2007, 09:21:16 PM
If people need to go on the cheap I'd recommend the Dell Latitude series.  The biggest comment that I hear is "You can really tell the different between it and the Inspiron.  It doesn't feel like it's going to fall apart when I pick it up!"  And so on.

Dare I post again...

I have a Dell Latitude... and thus stems my hatred from computers. I hate it with a passion... and their customer service is no more bearable than the computer...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 08, 2007, 09:36:05 AM
i agree.  i think Dell single-handedly switched me over to mac.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on February 08, 2007, 09:37:25 AM
i agree.  i think Dell single-handedly switched me over to mac.

Gateway's pretty bad, too...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Vick on February 08, 2007, 09:42:28 AM
Hey Geo, How heavy is your R60?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 08, 2007, 12:35:32 PM
Hey Geo, How heavy is your R60?

6.2 pounds. It's quite clunky. But that also has to do with the fact that it's sturdy. To me, if you stick it in a laptop backpack, you won't really feel it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mantis on February 08, 2007, 01:03:34 PM
i agree.  i think Dell single-handedly switched me over to mac.

Agreed.  I have a dell at the office and a powerbook at home and every time I get home to my powerbook I just want to pet it lovingly because I've had to deal with that f-ing dell all day...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on February 08, 2007, 01:13:58 PM
i agree.  i think Dell single-handedly switched me over to mac.

Agreed.  I have a dell at the office and a powerbook at home and every time I get home to my powerbook I just want to pet it lovingly because I've had to deal with that f-ing dell all day...

I use a Dell Dimension at work and have an Apple PowerBook G4 at home, so I know what you mean.

Yay Macs yay!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 08, 2007, 02:54:07 PM
If people need to go on the cheap I'd recommend the Dell Latitude series. The biggest comment that I hear is "You can really tell the different between it and the Inspiron. It doesn't feel like it's going to fall apart when I pick it up!" And so on.

Dare I post again...

I have a Dell Latitude... and thus stems my hatred from computers. I hate it with a passion... and their customer service is no more bearable than the computer...

No experience with Dell customer service. Lenovo ain't exactly winning me over either (their customer service people are RUDE). People seem to hate the Indian call centers but aside from some understandable issues comprehending a word or two, I have never ever had a Indian based CS rep treat me poorly on the phone. Happens all the time with Lenovo's Atlanta CS reps.

To each his or her own.

Oingo

PS. Small and lite is simply the best way to go. You look silly in class if you have a 17 inch bohemoth.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 08, 2007, 04:04:25 PM
Man, am I ever glad this thread got back on track!

In other news, I wish I had my laptop already.  My computer f-ing blows...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 08, 2007, 04:27:31 PM
OMGZ UR MEEN
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 08, 2007, 04:30:55 PM
It's too easy.  I'm very susceptible.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 08, 2007, 04:44:03 PM
I don't think anyone's computer has broken yet, but I'm not sure.  One guy's Macbook Pro's battery overheated and expanded/warped.  I told him he should probably get a replacement, you know, to avoid the explosions.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 08, 2007, 04:50:14 PM
I don't think anyone's computer has broken yet, but I'm not sure.  One guy's Macbook Pro's battery overheated and expanded/warped.  I told him he should probably get a replacement, you know, to avoid the explosions.

Probably sound advice.

Probably.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 08, 2007, 06:36:48 PM
A friend of mine dropped his 17 inch HP about a foot and a half onto the desk (accidently of course). It broke his DVD drive door - it will not shut anymore. It's funny now to watch it swing open everytime he moves it around his desk :)

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 08, 2007, 06:48:17 PM
I dropped my Thinkpad R60 alread. It took a 3 foot drop. I can't even find a scratch.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on February 08, 2007, 08:05:00 PM
I dropped my Thinkpad R60 alread. It took a 3 foot drop. I can't even find a scratch.

it's good you bought a thinkpad.  you've had that how long?  a few days?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on February 08, 2007, 08:18:58 PM
I dropped my Thinkpad R60 alread. It took a 3 foot drop. I can't even find a scratch.

it's good you bought a thinkpad.  you've had that how long?  a few days?

I think that fall was a good learning experience for my laptop.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bamf on February 09, 2007, 04:04:48 PM
my UG computer just $hit the bed, time for a new one, and quick.  Suggestions?  I kind of want a mac but if I don't get any more acceptances I'm going to BC and you can't take exams on a mac there ... so what is good in the world of PC laptops these days?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 09, 2007, 04:11:48 PM
I dropped my Thinkpad R60 alread. It took a 3 foot drop. I can't even find a scratch.

it's good you bought a thinkpad.  you've had that how long?  a few days?

I think that fall was a good learning experience for my laptop.

It builds character.

(http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/calvin-on-building-character.jpg)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Ravynous Elegance on February 09, 2007, 08:54:59 PM
i tripped and dropped my toshiba satellite down the stairs onto tile once... and it still works perfectly.  I like toshibas... they seem sturdy.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Astro on February 09, 2007, 09:26:05 PM
Except, eventually, the fulcrum point connecting the screen and the body breaks and you can't prop it up properly anymore.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 10, 2007, 09:27:09 AM
I haven't read this thread, but I can fairly safely say that if I am not the biggest computer nerd on these forums, I am probably somewhere in the top 10. I just wanted to throw out that for doing actual work, you can never go wrong with a Thinkpad (Lenovo bought IBM's PC division a couple of years ago, so www.lenovo.com) T or X series. For gaming, yes there are some better computers out there, but for working nothing beats the Thinkpad T and X series laptops (and for photo editing nothing beats a Thinkpad T series with the flexview screen, and for a Tablet PC nothing beats the X series, and even for gaming a T60 with the x1400 or better video card is pretty darn good). I convinced one friend to buy an X series, his boss saw it, now they might be getting them for the entire firm, that's how good they are.

Thinkpads do cost a little more than many other brands, but that is because they are built on the philosophy that people are smart enough to pay more money to get higher quality (i.e. they are the anti-Walmart and anti-Dell). Lenovo often runs some very good hard to find sales (and sometimes very good easy to find sales), so my recommendation is to call in your order via phone rather than configure online (though first configure online to know what you want and what the normal price is). Their phone reps are on a commission (though they aren't pushy like on-commission Best Buy salespeople), so if you tell them you need a better price, they do what they can to find you one.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 10, 2007, 09:52:52 AM
Except, eventually, the fulcrum point connecting the screen and the body breaks and you can't prop it up properly anymore.  Good luck with that.


Those aren't hard to replace, typically no more than about $20 worth of parts and 20 minutes of time. However, Thinkpads don't have that problem (at least not the T and X, I haven't messed with the other lines so I won't comment on things I don't know about).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 10, 2007, 10:21:39 AM
I haven't read this thread, but I can fairly safely say that if I am not the biggest computer nerd on these forums, I am probably somewhere in the top 10. I just wanted to throw out that for doing actual work, you can never go wrong with a Thinkpad (Lenovo bought IBM's PC division a couple of years ago, so www.lenovo.com) T or X series. For gaming, yes there are some better computers out there, but for working nothing beats the Thinkpad T and X series laptops (and for photo editing nothing beats a Thinkpad T series with the flexview screen, and for a Tablet PC nothing beats the X series, and even for gaming a T60 with the x1400 or better video card is pretty darn good). I convinced one friend to buy an X series, his boss saw it, now they might be getting them for the entire firm, that's how good they are.

Thinkpads do cost a little more than many other brands, but that is because they are built on the philosophy that people are smart enough to pay more money to get higher quality (i.e. they are the anti-Walmart and anti-Dell). Lenovo often runs some very good hard to find sales (and sometimes very good easy to find sales), so my recommendation is to call in your order via phone rather than configure online (though first configure online to know what you want and what the normal price is). Their phone reps are on a commission (though they aren't pushy like on-commission Best Buy salespeople), so if you tell them you need a better price, they do what they can to find you one.

Yes, but as an X41 Tablet owner I can tell you that Lenovo's customer service people stink. Meh, but then again, who actually has good customer service anyway?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 10, 2007, 11:26:37 AM
Yes, but as an X41 Tablet owner I can tell you that Lenovo's customer service people stink. Meh, but then again, who actually has good customer service anyway?
Oingo

In what way would you say they stink? Of every computer manufacturer out there, I would say they are far and away the best. For one, it's US based so you don't have issues understanding the person on the other end, and every experience I have had with them has been a good one.

I'd be curious to hear in what way you feel they stink (I handle MANY computers, so I've had my fair share of dealing with customer service people, and I wonder if it's something I missed, or something that was truly bad but never happened to me). They will even give a person a new computer (much better than the one they had before) quite often. Their support is still handled by IBM btw.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 11, 2007, 11:18:46 AM
Yes, but as an X41 Tablet owner I can tell you that Lenovo's customer service people stink. Meh, but then again, who actually has good customer service anyway?
Oingo

In what way would you say they stink? Of every computer manufacturer out there, I would say they are far and away the best. For one, it's US based so you don't have issues understanding the person on the other end, and every experience I have had with them has been a good one.

I'd be curious to hear in what way you feel they stink (I handle MANY computers, so I've had my fair share of dealing with customer service people, and I wonder if it's something I missed, or something that was truly bad but never happened to me). They will even give a person a new computer (much better than the one they had before) quite often. Their support is still handled by IBM btw.

I have had the opportunity to speak, on three ocassions, with the CS reps in Atlanta. The biggest problem I have with them is that they tend to condescend their customers. When you challenge, in a very nonconfrontational way, the assumptions they have to save your time, and ultimately theirs, you get treated poorly.

To give an example, I recently had the door to my PC card slot fall off. No big problem (I thought). I figured that either they could send me a replacement and I'd fix it or they could come do it themselves (I have a on-site warranty).

The phone menu that you are required to navigate to get to speak with someone was the first pain. It required 4 separate phone calls, and a total of 25 mins navigating the menus before I could even get on the call queue. Then I spent another 2 evenings (yes I said two) because, after waiting 90 mins with a screaming newborn, I had had enough. I called again the next evening, this time only wasting an hour.

I then spent 30 mins with the lady who eventually took my call. She spent 20 of those thirty minutes quite sure that I needed a cover for the memory expansion slot in the computer. I really, really tried to calmly explain that it was the PC CARD slot and not the memory slot. This is where "condescend" comes in - becuase she kept insisting that I was te one confused. It wasn't until she got an actual picture/schematic of the computer that she realized what "PC Card" slot meant. I waited for 2 weeks for the part to come in and the technician to come to my house to find.....

She ordered the wrong part. Yup, a memory card door.

So I had wait another 2 weeks before the right part arrived and that was smak dab in the middle of my contracts and Civ Pro finals. I was simply too much to ask for me to waste an afternoon at home waiting for the techician. So I tried to get them to install it AFTER the exam was finished. A reasonable request, no? Well, apparently it was too much to ask.  The part got sent back to Atlanta and I still had a broken PC Card door.

In fact I still do. I am afraid at this point to even call them again. I might actually, lose my mind. With the way Law School is sometimes, pretty much anything can send you over the edge :)

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: SugarJ on February 11, 2007, 11:22:17 AM
Yes, but as an X41 Tablet owner I can tell you that Lenovo's customer service people stink. Meh, but then again, who actually has good customer service anyway?
Oingo

In what way would you say they stink? Of every computer manufacturer out there, I would say they are far and away the best. For one, it's US based so you don't have issues understanding the person on the other end, and every experience I have had with them has been a good one.

I'd be curious to hear in what way you feel they stink (I handle MANY computers, so I've had my fair share of dealing with customer service people, and I wonder if it's something I missed, or something that was truly bad but never happened to me). They will even give a person a new computer (much better than the one they had before) quite often. Their support is still handled by IBM btw.

I have had the opportunity to speak, on three ocassions, with the CS reps in Atlanta. The biggest problem I have with them is that they tend to condescend their customers. When you challenge, in a very nonconfrontational way, the assumptions they have to save your time, and ultimately theirs, you get treated poorly.

To give an example, I recently had the door to my PC card slot fall off. No big problem (I thought). I figured that either they could send me a replacement and I'd fix it or they could come do it themselves (I have a on-site warranty).

The phone menu that you are required to navigate to get to speak with someone was the first pain. It required 4 separate phone calls, and a total of 25 mins navigating the menus before I could even get on the call queue. Then I spent another 2 evenings (yes I said two) because, after waiting 90 mins with a screaming newborn, I had had enough. I called again the next evening, this time only wasting an hour.

I then spent 30 mins with the lady who eventually took my call. She spent 20 of those thirty minutes quite sure that I needed a cover for the memory expansion slot in the computer. I really, really tried to calmly explain that it was the PC CARD slot and not the memory slot. This is where "condescend" comes in - becuase she kept insisting that I was te one confused. It wasn't until she got an actual picture/schematic of the computer that she realized what "PC Card" slot meant. I waited for 2 weeks for the part to come in and the technician to come to my house to find.....

She ordered the wrong part. Yup, a memory card door.

So I had wait another 2 weeks before the right part arrived and that was smak dab in the middle of my contracts and Civ Pro finals. I was simply too much to ask for me to waste an afternoon at home waiting for the techician. So I tried to get them to install it AFTER the exam was finished. A reasonable request, no? Well, apparently it was too much to ask.  The part got sent back to Atlanta and I still had a broken PC Card door.

In fact I still do. I am afraid at this point to even call them again. I might actually, lose my mind. With the way Law School is sometimes, pretty much anything can send you over the edge :)

Oingo

I totally feel your pain, as I have gone through the exact same thing with Dell's "Gold" (oooh fancy) technical support
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 11, 2007, 12:39:49 PM
I have had the opportunity to speak, on three ocassions, with the CS reps in Atlanta. The biggest problem I have with them is that they tend to condescend their customers. When you challenge, in a very nonconfrontational way, the assumptions they have to save your time, and ultimately theirs, you get treated poorly.

To give an example, I recently had the door to my PC card slot fall off. No big problem (I thought). I figured that either they could send me a replacement and I'd fix it or they could come do it themselves (I have a on-site warranty).

The phone menu that you are required to navigate to get to speak with someone was the first pain. It required 4 separate phone calls, and a total of 25 mins navigating the menus before I could even get on the call queue. Then I spent another 2 evenings (yes I said two) because, after waiting 90 mins with a screaming newborn, I had had enough. I called again the next evening, this time only wasting an hour.

I then spent 30 mins with the lady who eventually took my call. She spent 20 of those thirty minutes quite sure that I needed a cover for the memory expansion slot in the computer. I really, really tried to calmly explain that it was the PC CARD slot and not the memory slot. This is where "condescend" comes in - becuase she kept insisting that I was te one confused. It wasn't until she got an actual picture/schematic of the computer that she realized what "PC Card" slot meant. I waited for 2 weeks for the part to come in and the technician to come to my house to find.....

She ordered the wrong part. Yup, a memory card door.

So I had wait another 2 weeks before the right part arrived and that was smak dab in the middle of my contracts and Civ Pro finals. I was simply too much to ask for me to waste an afternoon at home waiting for the techician. So I tried to get them to install it AFTER the exam was finished. A reasonable request, no? Well, apparently it was too much to ask.  The part got sent back to Atlanta and I still had a broken PC Card door.

In fact I still do. I am afraid at this point to even call them again. I might actually, lose my mind. With the way Law School is sometimes, pretty much anything can send you over the edge :)

Oingo

Wow, that's nothing like what I've experienced, very weird. I agree phone wait times are long, but I've never had trouble getting through the system (maybe that's because I've used it a few times in the past though so I just know which buttons to push), but I'm very surprised to hear that about the part. The 3 times I've ordered parts (once for my own computer, two other times for other peoples' computers) they were sent with next day air and all I did was say "I need this part," and they said "OK." Either I've been getting lucky or you were unlucky. Next time something like that happens, ask for a surpervisor. I know people who work in managerial positions at IBM take pride in how good they think their support staff is, so they'd likely act on that if they knew. One problem with IBM/Lenovo is that IMHO there are too many hands, and one hand doesn't always know what the others are doing.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Slumdog Lovebutton on February 11, 2007, 01:22:30 PM
the one time i've had to call mac tech support, it was for an issue with iPhoto.  i got through to someone in less than five minutes...the guy figured out I'd been messing with my file locations, and he stayed on the phone with me for thirty minutes while I reloaded my photo library, just to make sure my slideshows worked this time.

i've only had one other issue with the headphone jack, but I found the answer to my problem using the online mac forums.

i heart mac :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: holydevil on February 12, 2007, 12:20:32 PM
Here's the basics of what I've found.

1.  Most law schools offer support for Windows but not Macs.  Some law schools even prohibit Macs.

2.  More importantly, I am not aware of a single law school that allows you to take your exams on a Mac, since the exam software only works on Windows and not on Windows emulatiion.

#2 is the reason why I eliminated Macs from consideration.  I don't want to have to write every exam in longhand.  Ouch!  My hand hurts just thinking about that!

Maybe I'm late but you can have a mac that boots up XP, while in MAC OS X. It works as a separate application window and you can even switch it to full screen. Dual OS booting is all the rage now.  All the cool kids do it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on February 12, 2007, 12:23:23 PM
Here's the basics of what I've found.

1.  Most law schools offer support for Windows but not Macs.  Some law schools even prohibit Macs.

2.  More importantly, I am not aware of a single law school that allows you to take your exams on a Mac, since the exam software only works on Windows and not on Windows emulatiion.

#2 is the reason why I eliminated Macs from consideration.  I don't want to have to write every exam in longhand.  Ouch!  My hand hurts just thinking about that!

Maybe I'm late but you can have a mac that boots up XP, while in MAC OS X. It works as a separate application window and you can even switch it to full screen. Dual OS booting is all the rage now.  All the cool kids do it.

Does that mean you do it, too?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: holydevil on February 12, 2007, 12:31:56 PM
Here's the basics of what I've found.

1.  Most law schools offer support for Windows but not Macs.  Some law schools even prohibit Macs.

2.  More importantly, I am not aware of a single law school that allows you to take your exams on a Mac, since the exam software only works on Windows and not on Windows emulatiion.

#2 is the reason why I eliminated Macs from consideration.  I don't want to have to write every exam in longhand.  Ouch!  My hand hurts just thinking about that!

Maybe I'm late but you can have a mac that boots up XP, while in MAC OS X. It works as a separate application window and you can even switch it to full screen. Dual OS booting is all the rage now.  All the cool kids do it.

Does that mean you do it, too?

I don't have a Mac.  I have an ASUS v6v.  I'll get a new notebook for law school, I don't know if it will be a MAC.  It was just a point of information for people who were thinking of dismissing Macs on the premise that you need a PC to run PC applications or run Windows XP pro.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: stjobs on February 12, 2007, 12:33:25 PM
All the t14 will allow dual boot Macs except NYU. This makes no sense, and since NYU is the highest-ranked school I have been admitted to, irritates me.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on February 12, 2007, 12:35:21 PM
All the t14 will allow dual boot Macs except NYU. This makes no sense, and since NYU is the highest-ranked school I have been admitted to, irritates me.

Weird
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: holydevil on February 12, 2007, 12:35:42 PM
I haven't read this thread, but I can fairly safely say that if I am not the biggest computer nerd on these forums, I am probably somewhere in the top 10. I just wanted to throw out that for doing actual work, you can never go wrong with a Thinkpad (Lenovo bought IBM's PC division a couple of years ago, so www.lenovo.com) T or X series. For gaming, yes there are some better computers out there, but for working nothing beats the Thinkpad T and X series laptops (and for photo editing nothing beats a Thinkpad T series with the flexview screen, and for a Tablet PC nothing beats the X series, and even for gaming a T60 with the x1400 or better video card is pretty darn good). I convinced one friend to buy an X series, his boss saw it, now they might be getting them for the entire firm, that's how good they are.

Thinkpads do cost a little more than many other brands, but that is because they are built on the philosophy that people are smart enough to pay more money to get higher quality (i.e. they are the anti-Walmart and anti-Dell). Lenovo often runs some very good hard to find sales (and sometimes very good easy to find sales), so my recommendation is to call in your order via phone rather than configure online (though first configure online to know what you want and what the normal price is). Their phone reps are on a commission (though they aren't pushy like on-commission Best Buy salespeople), so if you tell them you need a better price, they do what they can to find you one.

TITCR  IBM(Len... w/e) Thinkpads are awesome.  You may have people disagree about which notebook is the best, but you'll rarely find a knowledgable person saying a Thinkpad is bad.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: holydevil on February 12, 2007, 12:48:02 PM
marlinspike,

Do you have any experience with tablet PCs?  I was considering the prospect of getting a Thinkpad Tablet, I think they are x41s.  Tablets seem that they would be convienent for a law school student, but I can't find any students with them to verify this.  Folding the screen and reading it like a book, and being able to markup files with notes sounds really useful.  I've had friends in IT who tried tablets when they first came out.  At first they loved them but as time went on they liked them less and less and cited the biggest issue is the software that recognizes your writing.  That was then, I'm not sure if tablet PCs have made any strides since then.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 12, 2007, 04:58:15 PM
marlinspike,

Do you have any experience with tablet PCs?  I was considering the prospect of getting a Thinkpad Tablet, I think they are x41s.  Tablets seem that they would be convienent for a law school student, but I can't find any students with them to verify this.  Folding the screen and reading it like a book, and being able to markup files with notes sounds really useful.  I've had friends in IT who tried tablets when they first came out.  At first they loved them but as time went on they liked them less and less and cited the biggest issue is the software that recognizes your writing.  That was then, I'm not sure if tablet PCs have made any strides since then.

Thoughts?

I can't speak for the X41t, but I have played around some with an X60t (the new version). When you say the biggest problem is the software that recognizes your writing, in a way that is still true. If you're talking about the software that takes your handwriting and converts into Times New Roman (or whatever font you use), yes that's still not great if you have bad handwriting. If you have very neat handwriting (cursive or print, print is easier for it, but the key here is neat) it's pretty good. However, if you're talking about it just recording what you write/draw on the screen, no that's no problem. The X60t helps in the handwriting front in that it almost feels like you're writing with a pencil on a paper (the major difference being that you have to imagine a VERY low friction pencil). I talked my friend who works in portfolio management and investing into getting one. He loves it, he showed it to his boss, now his boss will probably get one and they may end up getting a whole slew of them for the company.

Now of course, it's not very good for gaming since it just uses the integrated Intel chip for graphics, but I'm guessing that's not a consideration. Also, it has no built in CD drive, but one of the nice things about IBM is that they have a wide selection of docks. So leave the dock at home on your desk to have good functionality when using the laptop as a desktop, and then you have a very portable laptop when using in a class (plus with the 8 cell battery he gets about 8 hours with wireless off and screen dimness down - that's another nice thing about Thinkpads, the claimed battery life in the spec sheets is accurate assuming you do all of the typical energy saving things.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: holydevil on February 12, 2007, 05:53:00 PM
Can you actually lay down and read a tablet with it on your lap or is heat a distraction?  I'm thinking of trying a tablet.  I have a desktop for gaming.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 12, 2007, 06:20:24 PM
You know, I never tried...but then I'm probably not the best person to ask since I use my T60 on my lap with a T7400 cpu x1400 gpu and 7200rpm hdd on my lap (I just move it so it's more on my legs than on my lap) without complaint.

I'll ask him next time I see him, and then next time I see him I'll pay attention to how the bottom feels.

Though, honestly, it's so light, I don't know if you keep it in your lap, I would just hold it like a book...speaking of which, if you get one, you definitley want the multi-touch screen so that you can use your fingers.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on February 12, 2007, 07:57:17 PM
marlinspike,

Do you have any experience with tablet PCs? I was considering the prospect of getting a Thinkpad Tablet, I think they are x41s. Tablets seem that they would be convienent for a law school student, but I can't find any students with them to verify this. Folding the screen and reading it like a book, and being able to markup files with notes sounds really useful. I've had friends in IT who tried tablets when they first came out. At first they loved them but as time went on they liked them less and less and cited the biggest issue is the software that recognizes your writing. That was then, I'm not sure if tablet PCs have made any strides since then.

Thoughts?

I have an X41 tablet. So far so good. It has done well as a tablet but has forced me to comprimise a bit on the notebook side. Th e comprimise in this case is performance. This problem was fixed with the release of the X60 tablet a few months ago.

The tablet form factor is one which should be more popular than it actually is. In combination with Onenote 2007, I pretty much have an ideal computer for most note taking situations. I cannot tell you how much easier it was to keep track of cross and counter claim action in civ pro by use of diagrams throughout my typewritten notes.

I most frequently use the pen to edit my notes. Pciking up paragraphs and sentances, moving the around, changing them up - all seem much more intuitive using the pen. Web surfing also seems more natural. If you spring for an X60, you can purchases it with Multitouch technology which allows you to use your finger or pen to point, click, write and move things around.

My caveat purely has to do with the abysmal 4200 RPM drive in the X41. I would reccomond staying away from it. Rather, get an X60 tablet. I really would not recoomend any other Tablet PC becuase most others incur a high weight penalty for the sometimes increased performance. Low weight is what makes the X41?X60 series so nice.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 12, 2007, 09:20:34 PM
The tablet form factor is one which should be more popular than it actually is.

Yeah, I've never owned one, but I've spent quite a bit of time playing with X60t's. If I could swing it, I would definitley buy one. I'm hoping GW will give me some money with my acceptance so that I can (or, even better, I get into Duke, UVA, or Michigan, in which case my dad would buy me one), since I was planning on getting one when I figured that my best acceptance would be that W&M with money. Otherwise it'll be pen and pad for me for the first year (which is fine with me, I can handwrite at around 50wpm...granted I type at over 90, but still it ain't bad) and then get the money together to get a X60t (or whatever has replaced it by then) my 2nd year.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 12, 2007, 09:29:24 PM
Ok, my friend told me it does get warm on the bottom, and if hes got it on his lap in a way that blocks the vents it even gets hot, but if he makes sure he isn't blocking the vents it just stays at the warm level.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: marlinspike on February 12, 2007, 11:31:24 PM
BTW, there are some pretty thorough reviews at www.notebookreview.com
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Team Pam on February 27, 2007, 06:09:25 PM
All the t14 will allow dual boot Macs except NYU. This makes no sense, and since NYU is the highest-ranked school I have been admitted to, irritates me.

Co-signed.  NYU even makes you sign a contract with your deposit promising to buy a PC.

If I go, I'm going to still get a MBP for note-taking and paper-writing, and buy a cheap bare-bones laptop for exams.  Expensive, yes, but worth it to not spend three years in Windows hell.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Team Pam on February 27, 2007, 06:24:34 PM
All the t14 will allow dual boot Macs except NYU. This makes no sense, and since NYU is the highest-ranked school I have been admitted to, irritates me.

Co-signed.  NYU even makes you sign a contract with your deposit promising to buy a PC.

If I go, I'm going to still get a MBP for note-taking and paper-writing, and buy a cheap bare-bones laptop for exams.  Expensive, yes, but worth it to not spend three years in Windows hell.

Better than a windowless hell, no?

Heh, I'm not so sure.  I had to boot up my circa-2001 Dell laptop to finish my LSAC apps and it was pretty painful.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on March 22, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9700099-1.html


yep, im going to linux!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: JD_LawSchool on March 23, 2007, 12:39:46 AM
Whats the word on laptop screen size?  I am looking at the thinkpad t60.  But I can't decide between the 14'' normal screen or the 15'' wide screen...What's the verdict?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: JD_LawSchool on March 23, 2007, 12:58:42 AM
sounds good thanks....the wide screen doesnt add bulk or weight?

i havent been on the lenovo website since last week but it seems the prices and models have changed....interesting
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on March 23, 2007, 04:49:27 AM
Widescreen is worth it.

I think "regular" screens should be illegal in the office according to yet-to-be-made OSHA rules.

 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: whoisjohngalt on March 23, 2007, 10:25:45 AM
sounds good thanks....the wide screen doesnt add bulk or weight?

i havent been on the lenovo website since last week but it seems the prices and models have changed....interesting

I saw a widescreen T60 at BestBuy (I couldn't believe they have them now) and hated it.  Way too big.  I would prefer the 14" T60 for law school - still can have 2 documents up and be fine.

You really are not going to want a heavy laptop, trust me.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Vick on March 23, 2007, 10:46:12 AM
Which Microsoft Office package would you all recommend?

I'm looking at the basic, it has Excel, Word and Outlook.  Am I going to need PowerPoint?

GW's website doesn't say anything about the Office requirements.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pikey on March 23, 2007, 10:54:24 AM
Which Microsoft Office package would you all recommend?

I'm looking at the basic, it has Excel, Word and Outlook.  Am I going to need PowerPoint?

GW's website doesn't say anything about the Office requirements.

If you do any sort of presentation, you're gonna want powerpoint.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: whoisjohngalt on March 23, 2007, 11:05:02 AM
Which Microsoft Office package would you all recommend?

I'm looking at the basic, it has Excel, Word and Outlook.  Am I going to need PowerPoint?

GW's website doesn't say anything about the Office requirements.

If you do any sort of presentation, you're gonna want powerpoint.

So the answer is no, because you will never be doing a presentation.

You can easily download Powerpoint Reader to display any presentations your prof sends you.  And if you only use it sparingly, you could download the Freeware version of Powerpoint from OpenOffice (but you can't use the free Word, because it's not compatible with exam software, sadly).  www.openoffice.org
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: skeeball on March 27, 2007, 08:03:56 AM
I sat in on a 2L Con Law class at SLU's ASW. That casebook was HUGE! I want the tiniest laptop I can find if that's what I'm expected to lug around...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 11:48:41 AM
Unsolicited advice from a 3L:

Buy something light, compact, with a long battery life (buy the extended battery if you have to) and a 3 year warranty. All other considerations are secondary.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 03:06:22 PM
Unsolicited advice from a 3L:

Buy something light, compact, with a long battery life (buy the extended battery if you have to) and a 3 year warranty. All other considerations are secondary.

I’ll give the counter point from a 2l. Buy something HUGE and OBNOXIOUS. It staves off having to get glasses because the 10 point font they use in case books makes you go blind. Plus is takes up more room on the desks, people next to you will have to move over more, and you can spread your crap out that way. I think I have the largest PC laptop they make, and I love it because it annoys everyone else.

I will second the long battery life, although my school did a good job with putting in plugs, every chair, even in the lobby, has a plug and Ethernet. But when sitting outside or in the cafeteria having the battery life is nice.

Oh, and get a lock. Don't leave your laptop unattened and unlocked in the library or study rooms, its going to walk off eventually (unless you get the huge one like me, it will take two people to steal it). 


By compact, I didn't mean 8 inch screen. I have a 2 lb laptop with a 12 inch screen, a full size keyboard and I've had no problem with seeing anything on the screen. My back has thanked me for it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 03:07:07 PM
Unsolicited advice from a 3L:

Buy something light, compact, with a long battery life (buy the extended battery if you have to) and a 3 year warranty. All other considerations are secondary.

I’ll give the counter point from a 2l. Buy something HUGE and OBNOXIOUS. It staves off having to get glasses because the 10 point font they use in case books makes you go blind. Plus is takes up more room on the desks, people next to you will have to move over more, and you can spread your crap out that way. I think I have the largest PC laptop they make, and I love it because it annoys everyone else.

I will second the long battery life, although my school did a good job with putting in plugs, every chair, even in the lobby, has a plug and Ethernet. But when sitting outside or in the cafeteria having the battery life is nice.

Oh, and get a lock. Don't leave your laptop unattened and unlocked in the library or study rooms, its going to walk off eventually (unless you get the huge one like me, it will take two people to steal it). 


By compact, I didn't mean 8 inch screen. I have a 2 lb laptop with a 12 inch screen, a full size keyboard and I've had no problem with seeing anything on the screen. My back has thanked me for it.

I have a similar laptop, and while my back has thanked me, my eyes have not.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 03:08:49 PM
Unsolicited advice from a 3L:

Buy something light, compact, with a long battery life (buy the extended battery if you have to) and a 3 year warranty. All other considerations are secondary.

I’ll give the counter point from a 2l. Buy something HUGE and OBNOXIOUS. It staves off having to get glasses because the 10 point font they use in case books makes you go blind. Plus is takes up more room on the desks, people next to you will have to move over more, and you can spread your crap out that way. I think I have the largest PC laptop they make, and I love it because it annoys everyone else.

I will second the long battery life, although my school did a good job with putting in plugs, every chair, even in the lobby, has a plug and Ethernet. But when sitting outside or in the cafeteria having the battery life is nice.

Oh, and get a lock. Don't leave your laptop unattened and unlocked in the library or study rooms, its going to walk off eventually (unless you get the huge one like me, it will take two people to steal it). 


By compact, I didn't mean 8 inch screen. I have a 2 lb laptop with a 12 inch screen, a full size keyboard and I've had no problem with seeing anything on the screen. My back has thanked me for it.

I have a similar laptop, and while my back has thanked me, my eyes have not.

Then you must be blind.  ;)

That used to be pretty standard size for laptops when they first became mainstream. People didn't female dog until they started making those 19 in monsters. At that point, you might as well lug your desktop in your bookbag.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 03:11:44 PM
Unsolicited advice from a 3L:

Buy something light, compact, with a long battery life (buy the extended battery if you have to) and a 3 year warranty. All other considerations are secondary.

I’ll give the counter point from a 2l. Buy something HUGE and OBNOXIOUS. It staves off having to get glasses because the 10 point font they use in case books makes you go blind. Plus is takes up more room on the desks, people next to you will have to move over more, and you can spread your crap out that way. I think I have the largest PC laptop they make, and I love it because it annoys everyone else.

I will second the long battery life, although my school did a good job with putting in plugs, every chair, even in the lobby, has a plug and Ethernet. But when sitting outside or in the cafeteria having the battery life is nice.

Oh, and get a lock. Don't leave your laptop unattened and unlocked in the library or study rooms, its going to walk off eventually (unless you get the huge one like me, it will take two people to steal it). 


By compact, I didn't mean 8 inch screen. I have a 2 lb laptop with a 12 inch screen, a full size keyboard and I've had no problem with seeing anything on the screen. My back has thanked me for it.

I have a similar laptop, and while my back has thanked me, my eyes have not.

Then you must be blind.  ;)

That used to be pretty standard size for laptops when they first became mainstream. People didn't female dog until they started making those 19 in monsters. At that point, you might as well lug your desktop in your bookbag.

I'm not blind, but a 12" screen is starting to make me go blind.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on March 27, 2007, 03:16:41 PM
Unsolicited advice from a 3L:

Buy something light, compact, with a long battery life (buy the extended battery if you have to) and a 3 year warranty. All other considerations are secondary.

I’ll give the counter point from a 2l. Buy something HUGE and OBNOXIOUS. It staves off having to get glasses because the 10 point font they use in case books makes you go blind. Plus is takes up more room on the desks, people next to you will have to move over more, and you can spread your crap out that way. I think I have the largest PC laptop they make, and I love it because it annoys everyone else.

I will second the long battery life, although my school did a good job with putting in plugs, every chair, even in the lobby, has a plug and Ethernet. But when sitting outside or in the cafeteria having the battery life is nice.

Oh, and get a lock. Don't leave your laptop unattened and unlocked in the library or study rooms, its going to walk off eventually (unless you get the huge one like me, it will take two people to steal it). 


By compact, I didn't mean 8 inch screen. I have a 2 lb laptop with a 12 inch screen, a full size keyboard and I've had no problem with seeing anything on the screen. My back has thanked me for it.

I have a similar laptop, and while my back has thanked me, my eyes have not.

Then you must be blind.  ;)

That used to be pretty standard size for laptops when they first became mainstream. People didn't female dog until they started making those 19 in monsters. At that point, you might as well lug your desktop in your bookbag.

I'm not blind, but a 12" screen is starting to make me go blind.

There are some relatively light 14 inch models out there too. The point is, light is good, especially with all the books you'll have to carry around.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on March 27, 2007, 03:17:52 PM
Unsolicited advice from a 3L:

Buy something light, compact, with a long battery life (buy the extended battery if you have to) and a 3 year warranty. All other considerations are secondary.

I’ll give the counter point from a 2l. Buy something HUGE and OBNOXIOUS. It staves off having to get glasses because the 10 point font they use in case books makes you go blind. Plus is takes up more room on the desks, people next to you will have to move over more, and you can spread your crap out that way. I think I have the largest PC laptop they make, and I love it because it annoys everyone else.

I will second the long battery life, although my school did a good job with putting in plugs, every chair, even in the lobby, has a plug and Ethernet. But when sitting outside or in the cafeteria having the battery life is nice.

Oh, and get a lock. Don't leave your laptop unattened and unlocked in the library or study rooms, its going to walk off eventually (unless you get the huge one like me, it will take two people to steal it). 


By compact, I didn't mean 8 inch screen. I have a 2 lb laptop with a 12 inch screen, a full size keyboard and I've had no problem with seeing anything on the screen. My back has thanked me for it.

I have a similar laptop, and while my back has thanked me, my eyes have not.

Then you must be blind.  ;)

That used to be pretty standard size for laptops when they first became mainstream. People didn't female dog until they started making those 19 in monsters. At that point, you might as well lug your desktop in your bookbag.

I'm not blind, but a 12" screen is starting to make me go blind.

There are some relatively light 14 inch models out there too. The point is, light is good, especially with all the books you'll have to carry around.

Oh, I wouldn't use another, bigger laptop.

I just need some reading glasses, though.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Sylvester Pennoyer on March 28, 2007, 04:46:50 PM
I have a powerful Dell desktop at home and am thinking of just buying a cheap $700 laptop for law school.  I am even looking at the Acers at Wal Mart.  Does this sound like a terrible idea to anybody? 

Also, how much battery life do I realistically need and how heavy is too heavy?   
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on March 28, 2007, 08:11:20 PM
I have a powerful Dell desktop at home and am thinking of just buying a cheap $700 laptop for law school.  I am even looking at the Acers at Wal Mart.  Does this sound like a terrible idea to anybody? 

Also, how much battery life do I realistically need and how heavy is too heavy?   

It pays to buy quality construction since it gets beat around a lot.  We haven't had any major catastrophes this semester, but I'm waiting.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on March 28, 2007, 09:06:54 PM
http://macenstein.com/default/archives/562

now THIS would sell some Macs..
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Old and in the Way on April 03, 2007, 07:07:51 PM
Does Compaq make good notebooks? I sat in on a class last week and sat beside this girl who had one. It *looked* good, but I have no experience with them.

Also, now that Lenovo's taken over the ThinkPad beand, are they still just as good?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on April 03, 2007, 07:10:01 PM
Lenovo is still as good.  In fact, you can tell a marked difference between the "Thinkpad" line and Lenovo's own laptops.

Compaq = HP and are usually not business class books.  If you want to save money go for a Dell Latitude.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ipso facto on April 03, 2007, 07:10:40 PM
Just thought I would let everyone know I got a MacBook Pro for a graduation present yesterday ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It rocks.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 03, 2007, 09:40:10 PM
Just thought I would let everyone know I got a MacBook Pro for a graduation present yesterday ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It rocks.

Did you get the glossy screen? The matte?

How is it in general?

Oingo

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on April 04, 2007, 06:44:24 AM
Just thought I would let everyone know I got a MacBook Pro for a graduation present yesterday ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It rocks.

Wooo, congrats!!  That's what I have, and I love it!

Michigan Mac users unite!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Reesespbcup on April 04, 2007, 07:14:16 AM
Is there a way to plug a normal-sized screen into your laptop? Sounds like a whacked-out question so let me explain:

I don't have a PC now, nor do I really want to buy one. However, it's pretty easy to come by just a monitor. I plan to purchase the lightest laptop I can find, which might mean it has a pretty small screen. So I'm thinking maybe I can just plug the monitor into the lap top for use at home. Will this work?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Old and in the Way on April 04, 2007, 07:17:44 AM
Lenovo is still as good.  In fact, you can tell a marked difference between the "Thinkpad" line and Lenovo's own laptops.

Compaq = HP and are usually not business class books.  If you want to save money go for a Dell Latitude.

Thanks, man. So, for the money, Lenovo's are one of the best bets, is what I'm hearing. My wife has a IBM ThinkPad notebook. We like it a lot, but the battery life's horrible.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on April 04, 2007, 07:49:10 AM
Is there a way to plug a normal-sized screen into your laptop? Sounds like a whacked-out question so let me explain:

I don't have a PC now, nor do I really want to buy one. However, it's pretty easy to come by just a monitor. I plan to purchase the lightest laptop I can find, which might mean it has a pretty small screen. So I'm thinking maybe I can just plug the monitor into the lap top for use at home. Will this work?

Yep!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 07:53:01 AM
Is there a way to plug a normal-sized screen into your laptop? Sounds like a whacked-out question so let me explain:

I don't have a PC now, nor do I really want to buy one. However, it's pretty easy to come by just a monitor. I plan to purchase the lightest laptop I can find, which might mean it has a pretty small screen. So I'm thinking maybe I can just plug the monitor into the lap top for use at home. Will this work?

Yep!

I know they're overpriced, but the Apple Cinema Displays are absolutely gorgeous.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mugatu on April 04, 2007, 09:13:42 AM
Lenovo is still as good.  In fact, you can tell a marked difference between the "Thinkpad" line and Lenovo's own laptops.

Compaq = HP and are usually not business class books.  If you want to save money go for a Dell Latitude.

Thanks, man. So, for the money, Lenovo's are one of the best bets, is what I'm hearing. My wife has a IBM ThinkPad notebook. We like it a lot, but the battery life's horrible.

Batteries start going downhill after a year anyway (all of them.)  How was battery life when it was first opened?

An extended life battery could provide extended battery power.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Old and in the Way on April 04, 2007, 10:02:34 AM
Not sure what kind of batt. life she got out of it when she bought it. It's a few years old. Thanks, again.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Reesespbcup on April 04, 2007, 10:38:11 AM
Is there a way to plug a normal-sized screen into your laptop? Sounds like a whacked-out question so let me explain:

I don't have a PC now, nor do I really want to buy one. However, it's pretty easy to come by just a monitor. I plan to purchase the lightest laptop I can find, which might mean it has a pretty small screen. So I'm thinking maybe I can just plug the monitor into the lap top for use at home. Will this work?

Yes, what you want is what is known as a “docking station”. You put your laptop into the docking station and it has plugs in the back of it for your peripherals. So not plugging in or switching wires.

For example here is my set up: 22” windscreen flat panel, all in one printer, speakers, wireless mouse, wireless keyboard, two external hard drives and a card scanner. All of these are plugged into the docking station. So when I pop the Laptop into the docking station everything is automatically connected. No wires to plug or unplug, just snap the laptop in and everything is connected.

I use wireless in those house, but the docking station has a port for internet if I needed it. It basically turns your laptop into a desk top. I highly recommend it. I hate typing on the tiny laptop keyboard if I do not have too.


How expensive is the docking station? I really like a mouse, too...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 11:38:19 AM
I sooo want a new laptop, but don't need one.  I have a decently working laptop, but it's really a desktop substitute - wide screen, heavy, etc.  I want one of those nice tiny, light ones to toss in my purse on the way to class.

:::sigh:::

I thought about getting a cheap one just to use for notes and then upload them to my other computer at home, but I already know I'll never do that.

How tiny?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: withasigh on April 04, 2007, 11:40:27 AM
Not sure what kind of batt. life she got out of it when she bought it. It's a few years old. Thanks, again.

In general, IBMs have excellent battery life.  I've got a X60s with the extended battery and it'll last for about 8 hours.  If I can go without having the wi-fi radio on it'll last even longer.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 11:49:18 AM
Pretty much any of those "ultra mobile ones".  I'm actually toying with the idea of that flipstart model with a full size keyboard.  But that 17 inch screen is sooo nice on the eyes!

As for battery life, FYI, if you buy a computer from Best Buy and get the extended protection plan, it covers batteries.  Whenever your battery life gets down to 2 hours or less, just call and they mail you a new battery.  That alone makes the plan worth it.

But then it's not very portable anymore.  I think 12" - 15" is the ideal laptop screen size.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on April 04, 2007, 11:55:32 AM
17 is still pretty portable, as long as it's thin.  I got it because of my crappy vision.  It does have much shorter battery life, though, compared to the person I've talked to with the 15 inch macbook pro.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 11:56:20 AM
17 is still pretty portable, as long as it's thin.  I got it because of my crappy vision.  It does have much shorter battery life, though, compared to the person I've talked to with the 15 inch macbook pro.

Do you have the 17" MBP?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on April 04, 2007, 11:57:44 AM
yup.

I looooooove it.  Got it in late Dec.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 11:58:34 AM
yup.

I looooooove it.  Got it in late Dec.

The 17" MBP is not a "normal" 17" laptop.

I figured you had some 17" monstrosity that was three inches think.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 12:07:18 PM
Mine's about 2 inches thick, and in the 7-8 pound range (according to the website).  It's great because I can have two docs open, side by side.  Mainly I got it because I'm a photo geek, so I love being able to search for photos while still keep Adobe open.  On the academic side, it's great because I have be reading a PDF file on the right while taking notes on the word doc on the left.

I've heard rumors of people taking their class notes on a PDA with collapsible keyboard.  I wonder how successful they are with such a small screen.  I imagine it could work, but I'd feel the need to immediately run to the computer lab after class and go over them again on a full screen to clean them up.

Same here.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 12:09:38 PM
I never reviewed my notes in undergrad...maybe I should start doing that in law school.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on April 04, 2007, 12:13:53 PM
I think my macbook pro is about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches thick.  Really not bad!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 12:15:47 PM
I think my macbook pro is about 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 inches thick.  Really not bad!

Nope, but 17" Apple laptops are an exception.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: natalunia on April 04, 2007, 12:19:43 PM
I just ordered the Dell XPS1210. It's about 4 lbs, but only has a 12 inch screen. I wanted something really lightweight and compact. It fits the bill, but is also durable and full of all the bells and whistles I wanted.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on April 04, 2007, 12:41:15 PM
I realized a week ago that I need to get a new computer after all. Probably the Macbook, although I have a Powerbook G4 now and love the 15" screen. I feel like it'd be kind of bulky though for carryingt to class

the 15" macbook pro only weighs about 5 pounds.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 04, 2007, 12:42:11 PM
I realized a week ago that I need to get a new computer after all. Probably the Macbook, although I have a Powerbook G4 now and love the 15" screen. I feel like it'd be kind of bulky though for carryingt to class

the 15" macbook pro only weighs about 5 pounds.

It's significantly more expensive than the MacBook, though.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on April 04, 2007, 12:43:35 PM
I realized a week ago that I need to get a new computer after all. Probably the Macbook, although I have a Powerbook G4 now and love the 15" screen. I feel like it'd be kind of bulky though for carryingt to class

the 15" macbook pro only weighs about 5 pounds.

It's significantly more expensive than the MacBook, though.

oh sorry, i misread, i thought she said she wanted the pro.

in which case, the new macbook only weighs about 4 pounds.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Geo_Storm on April 04, 2007, 12:53:31 PM
Yeah the weight difference between the Macbook and Pro is 0.4 lbs or so. But I was thinking of the extra bulk just from the fact that it's bigger. And yeah, it's definitely more expensive (and since I don't run a lot of graphics or do programming or anything, I can't really justify getting the more expensive, powerful one, other than for aesthetic reasons :P)

400 to 600$ difference is incredibly large for simple asthetics. Although I hear that the MacBook is brittle where as the Pro is far sturdier.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on April 04, 2007, 12:59:44 PM
Yeah the weight difference between the Macbook and Pro is 0.4 lbs or so. But I was thinking of the extra bulk just from the fact that it's bigger. And yeah, it's definitely more expensive (and since I don't run a lot of graphics or do programming or anything, I can't really justify getting the more expensive, powerful one, other than for aesthetic reasons :P)

yeah, but you figure that most of your other options will be equally thick or thicker than a macbook and/or weigh as much as or more than a macbook and have a smaller screen. you may as well get the macbook.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on April 04, 2007, 01:07:19 PM
I got the Macbook Pro because the person who advises me on such matters told me that it would be a better bet for lasting me all the way through law school.  But... I don't know what that's based on. :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on April 04, 2007, 01:13:16 PM
I got the Macbook Pro because the person who advises me on such matters told me that it would be a better bet for lasting me all the way through law school.  But... I don't know what that's based on. :)

Was the person who advises you a salesman? :)

Actually, the Pro is tougher I think, and I would totally get it if it came in the 13" too.  Oh well, good thing I like the shiny white exterior of the Macbook

No, it's my husband.  I was just feeling self-conscious because I've already mentioned him in like five posts this afternoon.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Team Pam on April 04, 2007, 09:33:33 PM
FWIW, there are rumors flying about of both a smaller MacBook Pro and a larger MacBook coming out this summer.  I would *love* a 15" MacBook.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ThePendulum on April 04, 2007, 11:13:37 PM
I have only good things to say about my Toshiba Satellite 15", with 1.33 GHz, which I bought refurbished for under $500 on Ebay. Toshiba makes durable, reliable, aesthetically pleasing electronics. Arigato gozai-mas.

For law school, I plan to buy another one, and play the file merge game. That way I'll have a big screen, as well as not having to lug it around.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 05, 2007, 07:11:48 AM
I got the Macbook Pro because the person who advises me on such matters told me that it would be a better bet for lasting me all the way through law school.  But... I don't know what that's based on. :)

Was the person who advises you a salesman? :)

Actually, the Pro is tougher I think, and I would totally get it if it came in the 13" too.  Oh well, good thing I like the shiny white exterior of the Macbook

No, it's my husband.  I was just feeling self-conscious because I've already mentioned him in like five posts this afternoon.

Aw, well, ASW #1 accounts say he's a cool guy, and since he's advising you to get a Mac, I'd agree :)

Speaking of, just ordered my new Macbook - 13" 2 Ghz

Yay for you!  :)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on April 05, 2007, 04:49:04 PM
http://macenstein.com/default/archives/571

macs get more appealing...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thorc954 on April 07, 2007, 08:35:29 PM
Three suggestions from a 1L:

1. get something light, my computer blows
2. avoid mac, cause most exam software doesnt work
3. get something with a warranty (Dell, etc).  My has broken twice this semester since i never remember i have it in my backpack, without the warranty, id be messed up going into exams.

oh, and
4. dont go to law school, or at least enjoy your social life until it starts
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: bamf on April 07, 2007, 08:36:29 PM
Three suggestions from a 1L:

1. get something light, my computer blows
2. avoid mac, cause most exam software doesnt work
3. get something with a warranty (Dell, etc).  My has broken twice this semester since i never remember i have it in my backpack, without the warranty, id be messed up going into exams.

oh, and
4. dont go to law school, or at least enjoy your social life until it starts


rough...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: adlai on April 07, 2007, 08:42:56 PM
You can run WinXP and Vista on Macs now.

I think that thinkpads are probably the best notebooks out there, simply because the keyboard and trackpoint are so good. Plus, things like airbag etc.

thinkpad service is also very good, when I've had to deal with them they send me a box within two days of the call, and within 3 days of sending it to them I get it back repaired.

You can also buy an on-site technicial policy, though a bit pricy.

I recently had my notebook go bad... I think that I'll probably buy a 2nd backup notebook, just in case.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thorc954 on April 07, 2007, 08:47:29 PM
good advice with the backup.  Check with your school and make sure the network works with macs though.  I know our extegrity exam software just wont run with macs yet or that vista stuff.


and i exagerated, law school is not terrible. Its actual intellectual and stimulating and towards the end of the semester somewhat sleep depriving.

you guys will be amazed at how much you enjoy it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Old and in the Way on April 07, 2007, 08:51:54 PM
So I'm thinking I'm gonna get a Thinkpad now. My buddy works at IBM in the RTP here in NC and says he can give me his employee # for a discount. That's too good to turn down.

Any suggestions on which types of Thinkpad I might go with? I'm not uber concerned with $$. I want a good product that'll last for 3 years and not too heavy.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: adlai on April 07, 2007, 08:58:12 PM
I'd say either the T or X series. widescreen is eh, there is teh Z series. I'd say get 14" or less. The T series has a little more power (better graphics card, trackpad) while the X series is 12" and pretty small. I have a T43, it's a superb notebook.

So what's this about certain software not working on vista or mac os x?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thorc954 on April 07, 2007, 09:02:42 PM
a lot havent made stuff mac compatible yet... its something to consider.  also, many have restrictions wrt wireless cards and everything.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 08, 2007, 09:19:00 AM
This is the thread that will never die :)

Last year I wrote in this thread about my purchase of a X41 tablet. Aside from some [correctable] performance issues the machine has held up well and its successor, the X60 tablet pretty much resolves what I think is the last hurdle in fully embracing tablet technology. The Med students love tablets more becuase they spend more time on their feet taking notes etc etc. That said, there were many classroom situations (think Civ Pro) where diagramming on the fly was very very helpful. Onenote 2007 - I do not know what people did before this program came out. IMHO it is a much more workable solution than using word. The experience is more "enriching" when you are a tablet pc user because 2007 offers tablet specifc tools that make document manipulation easier (I will try and post examples later).

If you do decide to go the Lenovo route, make sure to allow sometimes up to a month for delivery. They have a history of serious supply change problems with certain models (including now the X60 tablet).

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 08, 2007, 09:29:40 AM
Now onto a completely different topic :)

I have recently replaced the aforementioned X41 tablet with a Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro. This is a performance machine that will do it all. I use this program called "Parallels" to run Onenote 2007 and a few other XP programs that I still use. OS-X is such a pleasure to use! My school uses Securexam so there is a OS-X version available. Even if there wasn't, I'd would borrow a laptop (in my case, just use my old X41).

I'm in the gushing mode right now - perhaps in another month or so I may have something to gripe about (I suspect it might be network printer configuration related - this process is not as "smooth" as XP). Otherwise I am a happy camper!

Oingo

Specs? 15 inch Core 2 Duo Macbook Pro with 2 gigs ram and 120 gb HD
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jimfoolery on April 15, 2007, 12:06:28 AM
I'm buying a new Latitude within the next few days (could really use a laptop right now, so I'm not waiting until summer to buy) and I can't decide whether to pre-install XP or Vista.  In addition to being wary of Vista's inevitable bugs and glitches, I have a 3-yr-old desktop running XP.  I probably won't need to coordinate the two units for anything more than passing files back and forth, but that may change, and I'm worried that running different OS's could cause compatibility problems.  On the other hand, if consumers and software developers really take to Vista, I could be left holding the bag with an OS that won't run new programs, and I'd have to pay retail for one, if not two (one for the desktop), copies of Vista. 

Obviously I don't know sh~t about the XP --> Vista transition, so any help or links would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: togbra on April 15, 2007, 05:54:09 AM
Go with XP,  wait till a major service pack before using Vista.  As long as Microsoft offers updates to XP, you will be fine for the next three years (business will force Microsoft to offer updates for XP for a little while longer).  When you graduate, Vista will have worked it kinks out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/130657
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thorc954 on April 15, 2007, 11:07:38 AM
anyone got ideas on a really cheap, really light dell? i need a backup computer, cause mine keeps dying before exams... scariest experience ever when your disk drive falls out when you take your computer out of the bag the morning before an exam...


oh, and two pieces of advice to anyone buying a computer for school:
1. get one of those laptop sleeves, cause they get really beaten up in your backpack if you dont have one.
2. get a memory key.
-a few of my friends got their computers stolen, you are completely screwed if a few weeks before finals you lose yours and you dont have notes/outlines saved.

I keep one on my desk and save stuff to it every night...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: nyu4ever on April 15, 2007, 12:11:02 PM
Don't always rely on a usb mem card. Just email yourself your outlines, so you'll always have them available no matter what happens (say, you lose your backpack, which contained your computer and your usb card). 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on April 15, 2007, 12:27:52 PM
Don't always rely on a usb mem card. Just email yourself your outlines, so you'll always have them available no matter what happens (say, you lose your backpack, which contained your computer and your usb card). 

Anything that can not be lost should be kept in at least four locations:

1. The computer hard drive
2.  CD/DVD/USB/Floppy
3. Off site server, a la e-mailing it to yourself
4. A hard copy
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: mumbling2myself on April 15, 2007, 12:33:00 PM
Don't always rely on a usb mem card. Just email yourself your outlines, so you'll always have them available no matter what happens (say, you lose your backpack, which contained your computer and your usb card). 

Anything that can not be lost should be kept in four locations:

1. The computer hard drive
2.  CD/DVD/USB/Floppy
3. Off site server, a la e-mailing it to yourself
4. A hard copy

I don't think I'll bother with a hard copy.  You'll probably be updating your notes too frequently for it to make sense to print them out.  My plan for now is to store on my laptop, memory key, email server (or server space provided by the school if available) and make a weekly backup onto a cd-rw. I'm also considering storing a few files on my cell phone, depending on how easy it is to accomplish (phone is bluetooth capable, and has an expansion slot for a memory card... I should be able to just copy files there without even taking it out of my pocket, right?)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 15, 2007, 01:17:47 PM
for a laptop, i'd suggest getting an external harddrive. They're pretty cheap for a lot of space now, and you can pretty much just plug it in whenever you come home. Copy all of your documents you have in a day, and it'll act as a pretty good backup system. Also, if you're into downloading videos and music, it's often a great way to go as it's generally a good idea to keep your laptops harddrive relatively clean.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 15, 2007, 05:01:33 PM
The best option for backup was suggested to me lst year in this very thread.

Check out www.mozy.com

It has saved my skin once or twice already and after my wife's laptop got stolen we didn't miss a beat. The best way to back up - bar-none.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: jimfoolery on April 15, 2007, 09:12:59 PM
The Dell site has a scratch and dent refurb Latitude w/ the exact specs I want for $200 less than a new one.  Yea or nay?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: thorc954 on April 15, 2007, 09:17:49 PM
I dont know if thats a good deal since it is only 200 off.  However, ive had a dell computer for the last 6 years and have been pretty happy in general.  Just make sure you get the 4 year warranty on it if you buy it.  I got mine for the mechanical part, not actually the software (should have, cause I got a killer virus), but they were really really helpful.  They sent me a new power cord when mine died.  they also helped me fix my battery when I shut off the circuit breaker and almost fried it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: iscoredawaitlist on April 15, 2007, 09:18:51 PM
The best option for backup was suggested to me lst year in this very thread.

Check out www.mozy.com

It has saved my skin once or twice already and after my wife's laptop got stolen we didn't miss a beat. The best way to back up - bar-none.

Oingo

looks great. I still suggest an external harddrive if you're going to have a lot of files. You may think you'll never fill 100GB, but you probably will, and your laptop will work faster if you're keeping your regular hard drive clear of junk.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
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Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
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Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Yale College Inferno on April 22, 2007, 05:52:50 PM
This is the thread that will never die :)

Last year I wrote in this thread about my purchase of a X41 tablet. Aside from some [correctable] performance issues the machine has held up well and its successor, the X60 tablet pretty much resolves what I think is the last hurdle in fully embracing tablet technology. The Med students love tablets more becuase they spend more time on their feet taking notes etc etc. That said, there were many classroom situations (think Civ Pro) where diagramming on the fly was very very helpful. Onenote 2007 - I do not know what people did before this program came out. IMHO it is a much more workable solution than using word. The experience is more "enriching" when you are a tablet pc user because 2007 offers tablet specifc tools that make document manipulation easier (I will try and post examples later).

Yes--I love my X41 tablet! Civ pro diagramming = right on the money.

If you do decide to go the Lenovo route, make sure to allow sometimes up to a month for delivery. They have a history of serious supply change problems with certain models (including now the X60 tablet).

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on April 24, 2007, 09:06:39 PM
I don't use many programs...just the internet, Acrobat, iTunes, & Microsoft Office...every now & then some photo-editing.  I am incredibly impatient...when stuff is slow opening or takes to long to process, I get angry.  >:(  Speed is my first concern, reliability is second, design & weight is third.  I want something pretty & not too plain & it can't be super-heavy or too thick...I'd prefer something under 6 pounds.  I'd prefer a 12" to 14" screen.  I want something $1500 or less after the cost of a 3-year warranty (or longer). 
So far, I'm liking the 13" white MacBook & the Sony Vaio C Series (a little pricey for me).  Does anyone have any other suggestions that seem to better fit what I'm looking for?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 25, 2007, 07:44:14 AM
I don't use many programs...just the internet, Acrobat, iTunes, & Microsoft Office...every now & then some photo-editing.  I am incredibly impatient...when stuff is slow opening or takes to long to process, I get angry.  >:(  Speed is my first concern, reliability is second, design & weight is third.  I want something pretty & not too plain & it can't be super-heavy or too thick...I'd prefer something under 6 pounds.  I'd prefer a 12" to 14" screen.  I want something $1500 or less after the cost of a 3-year warranty (or longer). 
So far, I'm liking the 13" white MacBook & the Sony Vaio C Series (a little pricey for me).  Does anyone have any other suggestions that seem to better fit what I'm looking for?

Just make sure that whatever you get, you put in at least 2 gigs of memory. It makes a world of difference in Vista and definitely helps in OS-X.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: legally law on April 25, 2007, 11:08:04 AM
Go with XP,  wait till a major service pack before using Vista.  As long as Microsoft offers updates to XP, you will be fine for the next three years (business will force Microsoft to offer updates for XP for a little while longer).  When you graduate, Vista will have worked it kinks out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/130657

I agree with this; however, new Lenovos only come pre-installed with Vista.  Any advice?  Go with a Mac?  Or a Dell?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ILoveUncleJesse on April 25, 2007, 12:07:12 PM
Go with XP,  wait till a major service pack before using Vista.  As long as Microsoft offers updates to XP, you will be fine for the next three years (business will force Microsoft to offer updates for XP for a little while longer).  When you graduate, Vista will have worked it kinks out.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/130657

I agree with this; however, new Lenovos only come pre-installed with Vista.  Any advice?  Go with a Mac?  Or a Dell?

Actually, I was looking at the Lenovo site this morning, and you can get the V100 with vista or XP:

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/systemconfig.runtime.workflow:LoadRuntimeTree?sb=:000000250000073::0

Maybe Vista is the default but it seems like you can customize it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: legally law on April 25, 2007, 01:10:26 PM
You're right - thanks for the info.  Maybe just all laptops at retail stores have Vista pre-installed.  I went to Best Buy...not a good idea.
I'm hoping to get in at Duke & get a Mac :)
Anyone at Duke experience problems with a Mac??
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Clipse on April 25, 2007, 02:55:53 PM
So, I'm most likely going the BlackBook route with 2gigs of RAM. I'm kinda pissed that OSX 10.5 isn't coming out until October, just in time for me to not get it.

For dual booting, should I go with XP Pro or Vista Business? I continue to hear bad things about Vista at this point, but don't want to have to just buy it in a year or two.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Captain on April 25, 2007, 03:04:43 PM
I second the Thinkpad choice. If I can't use a Mac for law school, a T or X Series will be my choice.

Agreed. Dell has issues. Don't buy one unless your school will service the Dells on-campus through a program, and even then, be careful to back up your data super-regularly.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on April 25, 2007, 03:48:29 PM
So, I'm most likely going the BlackBook route with 2gigs of RAM. I'm kinda pissed that OSX 10.5 isn't coming out until October, just in time for me to not get it.

For dual booting, should I go with XP Pro or Vista Business? I continue to hear bad things about Vista at this point, but don't want to have to just buy it in a year or two.

Run with XP pro. Schools aren't ready for Vista yet.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: adlai on May 06, 2007, 12:07:48 PM
Uh, will schools be ready for vista come fall? I'm running vista right now-- I was one of the "early adopters" , and I wasn't planning on spending the money to get a new laptop...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 06, 2007, 12:12:03 PM
Uh, will schools be ready for vista come fall? I'm running vista right now-- I was one of the "early adopters" , and I wasn't planning on spending the money to get a new laptop...

Anything's possible, but I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on May 06, 2007, 12:19:35 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Ravynous Elegance on May 06, 2007, 12:49:48 PM
I emailed a bunch of schools about Vista, since I use it too, and all of them said it shouldnt be problematic.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on May 06, 2007, 06:52:02 PM
Dell is going to be offering Ubuntu!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Pugnacious on May 06, 2007, 07:11:14 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Roman815 on May 06, 2007, 07:41:19 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 06, 2007, 07:59:31 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Roman815 on May 06, 2007, 08:03:43 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(

No, it will likely come out in early June during the developers conference. That's only one month from now. I've been telling my family to hold off their computer purchases until the new OS comes out. It will likely include new computers as well.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on May 06, 2007, 08:16:51 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(

No, it will likely come out in early June during the developers conference. That's only one month from now. I've been telling my family to hold off their computer purchases until the new OS comes out. It will likely include new computers as well.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

You think leopard will be out in June?  The mac site says Oct...it'd be really great if it came out in June and I could get the mac and not worry about boot camp being in beta on tiger for CLS.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: lovethelaw2010 on May 06, 2007, 08:23:13 PM
I don't know that much about computers and am wondering why schools aren't ready for Vista.  What is the difference between that and XP that schools can't handle it.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Roman815 on May 06, 2007, 08:25:00 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(

No, it will likely come out in early June during the developers conference. That's only one month from now. I've been telling my family to hold off their computer purchases until the new OS comes out. It will likely include new computers as well.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

You think leopard will be out in June?  The mac site says Oct...it'd be really great if it came out in June and I could get the mac and not worry about boot camp being in beta on tiger for CLS.

I read on their site that it will come out in late Spring. Early June is late Spring so that fits the bill. Where does it say on the Apple website that the new OS will come out in October? Did they move the date up?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on May 06, 2007, 08:29:48 PM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/

at the bottom of the page, it says Oct 2007
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: laur0212 on May 06, 2007, 08:32:58 PM
A little advice for anyone thinking of buying an IBM Thinkpad for school next year.  I bought one before my 1L year and have had nothing but problems with it.  I realize this is far off the norm for Thinkpads but although I've had some hardware related problems, the biggest problem has been their customer service.  For instance, I've been without my computer for 4 weeks as of tomorrow because they're morons.  They sent me the box, fixed my computer and attempted to mail it back to me.  After I wasn't home the first 2x DHL tried to deliver, they allowed me to change the address that it was being sent to so I could have it sent to my parents' house.  I had to go through IBM to do this and they assured me it would go to the right address.  A week later they called to verify my address b/c they had yet again tried to send it to my apartment and it had been sent back to them in Tennessee.  Then a week after that I finally called them and asked them where the hell it was, they got DHL on the phone (AGAIN) and said sure we'll send it out.  We'll see.  I hate them.  Word to the wise:  if you get one and have a problem with it, just freaking chuck it.  It's not worth the aggravation of dealing with their customer service idiots.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 06, 2007, 08:34:03 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(

No, it will likely come out in early June during the developers conference. That's only one month from now. I've been telling my family to hold off their computer purchases until the new OS comes out. It will likely include new computers as well.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

You think leopard will be out in June?  The mac site says Oct...it'd be really great if it came out in June and I could get the mac and not worry about boot camp being in beta on tiger for CLS.

I read on their site that it will come out in late Spring. Early June is late Spring so that fits the bill. Where does it say on the Apple website that the new OS will come out in October? Did they move the date up?

That's about when Apple originally said Leopard was to be released.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 06, 2007, 08:39:34 PM
I don't know that much about computers and am wondering why schools aren't ready for Vista.  What is the difference between that and XP that schools can't handle it.

It's a major software upgrade which (except in minimal install modes), is too much for many current computer systems to handle.

Also, schools and businesses don't just upgrade computer systems the first moment new technology comes out.  Compatibility and support options must be tested out first so that a transition can be made smoothly.

Law schools could be an exception, though, since IT/IS isn't a mission-critical part of the JD education.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Roman815 on May 06, 2007, 08:45:28 PM
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/

at the bottom of the page, it says Oct 2007

That's about when Apple originally said Leopard was to be released.

Thanks guys, I hadn't realized that they had changed their release date. Time to inform my family. I don't think that it's going to go over well. I have a Dell Inspiron E1505 now even though I have had many Apple's in the past. I'm going to stick with it until I graduate since I have a 4 year complete care warranty and it just turned 1. Going for a Macbook Pro once I get that sweet law job.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Roman815 on May 06, 2007, 08:51:25 PM
A little advice for anyone thinking of buying an IBM Thinkpad for school next year.  I bought one before my 1L year and have had nothing but problems with it.  I realize this is far off the norm for Thinkpads but although I've had some hardware related problems, the biggest problem has been their customer service.  For instance, I've been without my computer for 4 weeks as of tomorrow because they're morons.  They sent me the box, fixed my computer and attempted to mail it back to me.  After I wasn't home the first 2x DHL tried to deliver, they allowed me to change the address that it was being sent to so I could have it sent to my parents' house.  I had to go through IBM to do this and they assured me it would go to the right address.  A week later they called to verify my address b/c they had yet again tried to send it to my apartment and it had been sent back to them in Tennessee.  Then a week after that I finally called them and asked them where the hell it was, they got DHL on the phone (AGAIN) and said sure we'll send it out.  We'll see.  I hate them.  Word to the wise:  if you get one and have a problem with it, just freaking chuck it.  It's not worth the aggravation of dealing with their customer service idiots.

That's why I paid $365 for 4 years of complete care and at home service at Dell. Another good option would have been Apple since they don't break down often and if they do you can always bring it to their Apple store. The main reason why I got a Dell was because it allowed me to get a decently pimped out system for a relatively low price with a warranty that would guarantee it for 4 years no matter what. I also like to play video games so I needed a good system, not that I'll be doing that during law school. So far I've been very impressed with Dell because there have been no problems or breakdowns. I did have to buy ZoneAlarm Security Suite to protect myself from virus's, spyware, and the like.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: laur0212 on May 06, 2007, 09:00:00 PM
A little advice for anyone thinking of buying an IBM Thinkpad for school next year.  I bought one before my 1L year and have had nothing but problems with it.  I realize this is far off the norm for Thinkpads but although I've had some hardware related problems, the biggest problem has been their customer service.  For instance, I've been without my computer for 4 weeks as of tomorrow because they're morons.  They sent me the box, fixed my computer and attempted to mail it back to me.  After I wasn't home the first 2x DHL tried to deliver, they allowed me to change the address that it was being sent to so I could have it sent to my parents' house.  I had to go through IBM to do this and they assured me it would go to the right address.  A week later they called to verify my address b/c they had yet again tried to send it to my apartment and it had been sent back to them in Tennessee.  Then a week after that I finally called them and asked them where the hell it was, they got DHL on the phone (AGAIN) and said sure we'll send it out.  We'll see.  I hate them.  Word to the wise:  if you get one and have a problem with it, just freaking chuck it.  It's not worth the aggravation of dealing with their customer service idiots.

That's why I paid $365 for 4 years of complete care and at home service at Dell. Another good option would have been Apple since they don't break down often and if they do you can always bring it to their Apple store. The main reason why I got a Dell was because it allowed me to get a decently pimped out system for a relatively low price with a warranty that would guarantee it for 4 years no matter what. I also like to play video games so I needed a good system, not that I'll be doing that during law school. So far I've been very impressed with Dell because there have been no problems or breakdowns. I did have to buy ZoneAlarm Security Suite to protect myself from virus's, spyware, and the like.

I have the home service warranty, but when they diagnosed it over the phone they said it was something that they would have to do at their service center and I would have to send it to them.  The first problem (after my friend spilled coffee on it) also had to be dealt with at their place.  When the system board broke down (the second time) they actually came out to fix it at my house.  I was prepared when I bought it, and Thinkpads rarely have problems.  I have a lemon, and on top of that, really bad customer service.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Roman815 on May 06, 2007, 09:02:47 PM
I have the home service warranty, but when they diagnosed it over the phone they said it was something that they would have to do at their service center and I would have to send it to them.  The first problem (after my friend spilled coffee on it) also had to be dealt with at their place.  When the system board broke down (the second time) they actually came out to fix it at my house.  I was prepared when I bought it, and Thinkpads rarely have problems.  I have a lemon, and on top of that, really bad customer service.

So what are you using now? Do you have a backup? I was thinking of getting an iMac as a backup computer and using my Dell in class and during finals. I wonder if that's a good idea. It's looking better and better by the minute.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Captain on May 06, 2007, 09:13:53 PM
Uh, will schools be ready for vista come fall? I'm running vista right now-- I was one of the "early adopters" , and I wasn't planning on spending the money to get a new laptop...

It ALWAYS takes two Microsoft service packs before Companies/Schools/Organizations are "ready" for a new product from MS. You should've done your research. They'll support it by the time you are a 3L though.

Don't be an "early adopter" if you plan to use Windows.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Captain on May 06, 2007, 09:17:32 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(

No, it will likely come out in early June during the developers conference. That's only one month from now. I've been telling my family to hold off their computer purchases until the new OS comes out. It will likely include new computers as well.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

You think leopard will be out in June?  The mac site says Oct...it'd be really great if it came out in June and I could get the mac and not worry about boot camp being in beta on tiger for CLS.

Buy the Mac at the end of the summer, they'll probably offer a free upgrade to 10.5 when it comes out by then. Also, since it is coming out in October, you'll be good to go before exams (which is really all you need Boot Camp for).
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on May 06, 2007, 09:42:46 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(

No, it will likely come out in early June during the developers conference. That's only one month from now. I've been telling my family to hold off their computer purchases until the new OS comes out. It will likely include new computers as well.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

You think leopard will be out in June?  The mac site says Oct...it'd be really great if it came out in June and I could get the mac and not worry about boot camp being in beta on tiger for CLS.

Buy the Mac at the end of the summer, they'll probably offer a free upgrade to 10.5 when it comes out by then. Also, since it is coming out in October, you'll be good to go before exams (which is really all you need Boot Camp for).

can't buy at the *end* of summer...orientation is 8/13  and i would ideally get my comp b4 that so i can get used to it/fiddle around with it.

i'm gonna contact apple about that anyways and see what they say.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Pugnacious on May 06, 2007, 10:48:12 PM
I believe Michigan, for example, is specifically telling new students NOT to get Vista.

Same with USC. Vista makes me mad - it is so trying to copy mac, it's not even funny.

Soon the Microsoft people will be mad when they find out that Max OS X Leopard is even better than Vista. It's good to leave copy cats in the dust.  8)

We have to wait an extra few months for Leopard, though... >:(

No, it will likely come out in early June during the developers conference. That's only one month from now. I've been telling my family to hold off their computer purchases until the new OS comes out. It will likely include new computers as well.

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

You think leopard will be out in June?  The mac site says Oct...it'd be really great if it came out in June and I could get the mac and not worry about boot camp being in beta on tiger for CLS.

Buy the Mac at the end of the summer, they'll probably offer a free upgrade to 10.5 when it comes out by then. Also, since it is coming out in October, you'll be good to go before exams (which is really all you need Boot Camp for).

can't buy at the *end* of summer...orientation is 8/13  and i would ideally get my comp b4 that so i can get used to it/fiddle around with it.

i'm gonna contact apple about that anyways and see what they say.

My law school said not to get a mac, so I have to get a yucky pc.  :P
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 07, 2007, 12:16:19 AM
A little advice for anyone thinking of buying an IBM Thinkpad for school next year.  I bought one before my 1L year and have had nothing but problems with it.  I realize this is far off the norm for Thinkpads but although I've had some hardware related problems, the biggest problem has been their customer service.  For instance, I've been without my computer for 4 weeks as of tomorrow because they're morons.  They sent me the box, fixed my computer and attempted to mail it back to me.  After I wasn't home the first 2x DHL tried to deliver, they allowed me to change the address that it was being sent to so I could have it sent to my parents' house.  I had to go through IBM to do this and they assured me it would go to the right address.  A week later they called to verify my address b/c they had yet again tried to send it to my apartment and it had been sent back to them in Tennessee.  Then a week after that I finally called them and asked them where the hell it was, they got DHL on the phone (AGAIN) and said sure we'll send it out.  We'll see.  I hate them.  Word to the wise:  if you get one and have a problem with it, just freaking chuck it.  It's not worth the aggravation of dealing with their customer service idiots.

That's why I paid $365 for 4 years of complete care and at home service at Dell. Another good option would have been Apple since they don't break down often and if they do you can always bring it to their Apple store. The main reason why I got a Dell was because it allowed me to get a decently pimped out system for a relatively low price with a warranty that would guarantee it for 4 years no matter what. I also like to play video games so I needed a good system, not that I'll be doing that during law school. So far I've been very impressed with Dell because there have been no problems or breakdowns. I did have to buy ZoneAlarm Security Suite to protect myself from virus's, spyware, and the like.

I have the home service warranty, but when they diagnosed it over the phone they said it was something that they would have to do at their service center and I would have to send it to them.  The first problem (after my friend spilled coffee on it) also had to be dealt with at their place.  When the system board broke down (the second time) they actually came out to fix it at my house.  I was prepared when I bought it, and Thinkpads rarely have problems.  I have a lemon, and on top of that, really bad customer service.

Hmmmm....I agree that the customer service people at Lenovo are a PITA to deal with. I pretty much ended up giving my X41 tablet to a family member after I got fed up with its performance related issues. I have a Macbook Pro now and am MUCH happier.

What kind of Thinkpad did you have?

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: laur0212 on May 07, 2007, 06:17:42 AM
I have the home service warranty, but when they diagnosed it over the phone they said it was something that they would have to do at their service center and I would have to send it to them.  The first problem (after my friend spilled coffee on it) also had to be dealt with at their place.  When the system board broke down (the second time) they actually came out to fix it at my house.  I was prepared when I bought it, and Thinkpads rarely have problems.  I have a lemon, and on top of that, really bad customer service.

So what are you using now? Do you have a backup? I was thinking of getting an iMac as a backup computer and using my Dell in class and during finals. I wonder if that's a good idea. It's looking better and better by the minute.

I've been using my sister's computer for the last month.  Luckily my parents only live an hour away so I was able to go down there and pick it up without too much trouble.  It's a Dell Inspiron 5100 that I got in my senior year of college in 2003.  It works better than my IBM.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: lovethelaw2010 on May 07, 2007, 09:53:42 AM
If somebody has experience running windows off of a mac is it just as quick as it would be on a PC or is it considerably slower.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 07, 2007, 09:56:15 AM
If somebody has experience running windows off of a mac is it just as quick as it would be on a PC or is it considerably slower.

Depends on how you run Windows.  If using the newer Intel Macs, Windows will run just like you were running it on a PC-Compatible computer.

If you use VirtualPC with a PPC based Mac, things will get slow.

For more info, just read some previous posts from this thread.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dirtytennisshoe on May 07, 2007, 10:16:01 AM
A little advice for anyone thinking of buying an IBM Thinkpad for school next year.  I bought one before my 1L year and have had nothing but problems with it.  I realize this is far off the norm for Thinkpads but although I've had some hardware related problems, the biggest problem has been their customer service.  For instance, I've been without my computer for 4 weeks as of tomorrow because they're morons.  They sent me the box, fixed my computer and attempted to mail it back to me.  After I wasn't home the first 2x DHL tried to deliver, they allowed me to change the address that it was being sent to so I could have it sent to my parents' house.  I had to go through IBM to do this and they assured me it would go to the right address.  A week later they called to verify my address b/c they had yet again tried to send it to my apartment and it had been sent back to them in Tennessee.  Then a week after that I finally called them and asked them where the hell it was, they got DHL on the phone (AGAIN) and said sure we'll send it out.  We'll see.  I hate them.  Word to the wise:  if you get one and have a problem with it, just freaking chuck it.  It's not worth the aggravation of dealing with their customer service idiots.

That's why I paid $365 for 4 years of complete care and at home service at Dell. Another good option would have been Apple since they don't break down often and if they do you can always bring it to their Apple store. The main reason why I got a Dell was because it allowed me to get a decently pimped out system for a relatively low price with a warranty that would guarantee it for 4 years no matter what. I also like to play video games so I needed a good system, not that I'll be doing that during law school. So far I've been very impressed with Dell because there have been no problems or breakdowns. I did have to buy ZoneAlarm Security Suite to protect myself from virus's, spyware, and the like.

I have the home service warranty, but when they diagnosed it over the phone they said it was something that they would have to do at their service center and I would have to send it to them.  The first problem (after my friend spilled coffee on it) also had to be dealt with at their place.  When the system board broke down (the second time) they actually came out to fix it at my house.  I was prepared when I bought it, and Thinkpads rarely have problems.  I have a lemon, and on top of that, really bad customer service.

Hate to be a jerk, but how much of the technical problems are Lenovo's fault? I don't think you can call your computer a lemon once coffee's been spilled on it... it's not exactly product tested against that. Who knows the extent of the damage?

As for customer service, I hear you. As a Dell owner, I've had tons of horror stories.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: laur0212 on May 08, 2007, 03:21:46 PM
A little advice for anyone thinking of buying an IBM Thinkpad for school next year.  I bought one before my 1L year and have had nothing but problems with it.  I realize this is far off the norm for Thinkpads but although I've had some hardware related problems, the biggest problem has been their customer service.  For instance, I've been without my computer for 4 weeks as of tomorrow because they're morons.  They sent me the box, fixed my computer and attempted to mail it back to me.  After I wasn't home the first 2x DHL tried to deliver, they allowed me to change the address that it was being sent to so I could have it sent to my parents' house.  I had to go through IBM to do this and they assured me it would go to the right address.  A week later they called to verify my address b/c they had yet again tried to send it to my apartment and it had been sent back to them in Tennessee.  Then a week after that I finally called them and asked them where the hell it was, they got DHL on the phone (AGAIN) and said sure we'll send it out.  We'll see.  I hate them.  Word to the wise:  if you get one and have a problem with it, just freaking chuck it.  It's not worth the aggravation of dealing with their customer service idiots.

That's why I paid $365 for 4 years of complete care and at home service at Dell. Another good option would have been Apple since they don't break down often and if they do you can always bring it to their Apple store. The main reason why I got a Dell was because it allowed me to get a decently pimped out system for a relatively low price with a warranty that would guarantee it for 4 years no matter what. I also like to play video games so I needed a good system, not that I'll be doing that during law school. So far I've been very impressed with Dell because there have been no problems or breakdowns. I did have to buy ZoneAlarm Security Suite to protect myself from virus's, spyware, and the like.

I have the home service warranty, but when they diagnosed it over the phone they said it was something that they would have to do at their service center and I would have to send it to them.  The first problem (after my friend spilled coffee on it) also had to be dealt with at their place.  When the system board broke down (the second time) they actually came out to fix it at my house.  I was prepared when I bought it, and Thinkpads rarely have problems.  I have a lemon, and on top of that, really bad customer service.

Hmmmm....I agree that the customer service people at Lenovo are a PITA to deal with. I pretty much ended up giving my X41 tablet to a family member after I got fed up with its performance related issues. I have a Macbook Pro now and am MUCH happier.

What kind of Thinkpad did you have?

Oingo

I have an R52, which I just got back yesterday.  Out of curiosity, anyone know what a Planar Card is?  Apparently they replaced it.  Again.  So far its running pretty well, but a small (ok big) part of me hopes it has more problems over the summer so I can justify getting something new.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 08, 2007, 04:07:06 PM
If somebody has experience running windows off of a mac is it just as quick as it would be on a PC or is it considerably slower.

If you have an intel based mac and are using parallels the experience is very satisfactory - in fact the virtusl machine actually boots up in about 15 secs, much less than any other windows based system I have ever had. Performance while in windows is not different than bootcamp - the only limitation being games (cannot utilize GPU through any virtual machine I know of).

check out this link.

http://www.macworld.com/2007/04/features/windows_parallels/index.php

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on May 08, 2007, 04:13:47 PM
http://crunchgear.com/2007/05/07/unofficial-mactab-the-mac-tablet-that-we-really-really-want-to-see-released/
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Tulane1L on May 08, 2007, 04:17:41 PM
I just wanted to warn people who are thinking about buying Dells for law school.

I got mine last August - it has crashed 3 times since then.  It's a lattitude.

So, if you are getting a Dell, at the very least get the 3 year protection plan!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 08, 2007, 09:32:18 PM
My current laptop just crashed.  :'(  I had the extended warranty, but I still lost a bunch of data.  New lesson: Back up data every day, not just every week.  >:(  We'll see how reliable it comes back...I may have to bump up my laptop purchase a bit earlier. :-\
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 09, 2007, 07:11:00 AM
www.mozy.com


Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ILoveUncleJesse on May 09, 2007, 08:30:31 AM
didnt macbooks (or whatever apple notebook was out at the time) used to be colors?  i wish i didn't have to get a boring white or black or grey computer...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 09, 2007, 08:31:14 AM
didnt macbooks (or whatever apple notebook was out at the time) used to be colors?  i wish i didn't have to get a boring white or black or grey computer...

Those were G3 iBooks, I think.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: hobbesthecat on May 09, 2007, 09:38:49 AM
Hi, I'm new to this thread- tried to read it but its too long. I was wondering if anyone had good suggestions for a reasonably priced notebook that is very light and portable? I have an IBM Z61t that I love, but its not particularly light (I think its something like 4.5 pounds) and I would like to have a laptop that has the basics that I can lug around and then just leave my IBM at home. Thanks for any advice!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: flyaway on May 09, 2007, 11:31:04 AM
didnt macbooks (or whatever apple notebook was out at the time) used to be colors?  i wish i didn't have to get a boring white or black or grey computer...

I'm getting one of these for protection and color:

http://www.case-mate.net/whichmac.html#

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dawhizz on May 10, 2007, 12:21:12 PM
Any advice on processors? My wife heard from someone who reportedly knows computers that you should get an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, if possible. But how much of a difference is that from an Intel Core Duo or an AMD processor (whether it be Athlon or Turion)? Obviously better processors cost more because they are slightly more efficient/faster, but how much am I going to notice a difference given what I'm going to be using it for?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Skallagrim on May 10, 2007, 06:39:30 PM
Any advice on processors? My wife heard from someone who reportedly knows computers that you should get an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, if possible. But how much of a difference is that from an Intel Core Duo or an AMD processor (whether it be Athlon or Turion)? Obviously better processors cost more because they are slightly more efficient/faster, but how much am I going to notice a difference given what I'm going to be using it for?

I was also wondering about how much processor I need, but then I realized...I use an old Pentium III desktop with 512mb running XP Pro at my job. I regularly have all sorts of things running at the same time -- Firefox, Adobe, IM, antivirus, internet apps, our company's software. I do get a fair amount of lag from time to time but the system is bearable. If the most I had up was one or two browsers, Word, IM and antivirus software (standard school stuff), I'm sure it would run with hardly any lag at all. If it had something slightly better, like a Pentium M and 1gb memory, I'm sure it'd be total overkill for school work.

In other words, strictly for usual school work stuff, I can't imagine you would really need a Core 2 Duo over a Core Duo. But you should be honest with yourself about what you are really buying the laptop for. Buying a laptop just for school is a lot different than buying a laptop mostly for school but also for occasionally playing World of Warcraft.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 11, 2007, 12:20:25 PM

In other words, strictly for usual school work stuff, I can't imagine you would really need a Core 2 Duo over a Core Duo. But you should be honest with yourself about what you are really buying the laptop for. Buying a laptop just for school is a lot different than buying a laptop mostly for school but also for occasionally playing World of Warcraft.

I don't know if I'm just unreasonably impatient, but I only use basic programs like Word, Adobe Acrobat, and Firefox and I think the Core 2 Duo is too slow....
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 11, 2007, 12:54:42 PM

In other words, strictly for usual school work stuff, I can't imagine you would really need a Core 2 Duo over a Core Duo. But you should be honest with yourself about what you are really buying the laptop for. Buying a laptop just for school is a lot different than buying a laptop mostly for school but also for occasionally playing World of Warcraft.

I don't know if I'm just unreasonably impatient, but I only use basic programs like Word, Adobe Acrobat, and Firefox and I think the Core 2 Duo is too slow....

It's true.  When you have them all open, things can get laggy.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 11, 2007, 12:59:26 PM

In other words, strictly for usual school work stuff, I can't imagine you would really need a Core 2 Duo over a Core Duo. But you should be honest with yourself about what you are really buying the laptop for. Buying a laptop just for school is a lot different than buying a laptop mostly for school but also for occasionally playing World of Warcraft.

I don't know if I'm just unreasonably impatient, but I only use basic programs like Word, Adobe Acrobat, and Firefox and I think the Core 2 Duo is too slow....

It's true.  When you have them all open, things can get laggy.

So is there any reasonably priced processor that can do all that fast, or am I going to experience that kind of lag with any processor I get? 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 11, 2007, 01:04:25 PM

In other words, strictly for usual school work stuff, I can't imagine you would really need a Core 2 Duo over a Core Duo. But you should be honest with yourself about what you are really buying the laptop for. Buying a laptop just for school is a lot different than buying a laptop mostly for school but also for occasionally playing World of Warcraft.

I don't know if I'm just unreasonably impatient, but I only use basic programs like Word, Adobe Acrobat, and Firefox and I think the Core 2 Duo is too slow....

It's true.  When you have them all open, things can get laggy.

So is there any reasonably priced processor that can do all that fast, or am I going to experience that kind of lag with any processor I get? 

I think it's more of an issue with your RAM.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Skallagrim on May 11, 2007, 07:12:23 PM

In other words, strictly for usual school work stuff, I can't imagine you would really need a Core 2 Duo over a Core Duo. But you should be honest with yourself about what you are really buying the laptop for. Buying a laptop just for school is a lot different than buying a laptop mostly for school but also for occasionally playing World of Warcraft.

I don't know if I'm just unreasonably impatient, but I only use basic programs like Word, Adobe Acrobat, and Firefox and I think the Core 2 Duo is too slow....

It's true.  When you have them all open, things can get laggy.

So is there any reasonably priced processor that can do all that fast, or am I going to experience that kind of lag with any processor I get? 

I think it's more of an issue with your RAM.


I agree, and RAM is usually cheap to upgrade to something reasonable.

You may want to go ahead and get the Core 2 Duo though since you're almost certainly not going to be upgrading the processor once you get the computer.

What computers are you comparing, anyway? For a lot of computer manufacturers (e.g. Dell), once you choose the model, the overall processor type is pretty much fixed. Like for Dell Latitude D620s, you have to get a Core 2 Duo and then you're just choosing between things like cache size and clock speed.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Captain on May 12, 2007, 09:40:07 AM

In other words, strictly for usual school work stuff, I can't imagine you would really need a Core 2 Duo over a Core Duo. But you should be honest with yourself about what you are really buying the laptop for. Buying a laptop just for school is a lot different than buying a laptop mostly for school but also for occasionally playing World of Warcraft.

I don't know if I'm just unreasonably impatient, but I only use basic programs like Word, Adobe Acrobat, and Firefox and I think the Core 2 Duo is too slow....

It's true.  When you have them all open, things can get laggy.

That has nothing to do with the processor. You need more RAM.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 12, 2007, 10:05:53 PM
Sorry if this posted somewhere on this thread, thought it would be useful...
http://lawregistrar.blogspot.com/2007/01/secureexam-and-vista-not-so-fast.html

If your school uses SecureExam for its exams on computers, you may or may not want to hold off on that Vista/2007 upgrade.  According to this site and some others, secureexam is suppose to have vista/2007 compatible version in the summer... discuss amongst yourselves.

There is a separate thread dealing with this. I'm too lazy to look it up. What is the big deal anyway? Vista and Office 2007 will have support by the end of the summer. Soon enough for those considering a purchase of either product.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 13, 2007, 10:16:37 AM
Sorry if this posted somewhere on this thread, thought it would be useful...
http://lawregistrar.blogspot.com/2007/01/secureexam-and-vista-not-so-fast.html

If your school uses SecureExam for its exams on computers, you may or may not want to hold off on that Vista/2007 upgrade.  According to this site and some others, secureexam is suppose to have vista/2007 compatible version in the summer... discuss amongst yourselves.

There is a separate thread dealing with this. I'm too lazy to look it up. What is the big deal anyway? Vista and Office 2007 will have support by the end of the summer. Soon enough for those considering a purchase of either product.

Oingo

Yeah, I was just putting it out there for people to consider what their law school exam software to use.  Oingo, I have been meaning to ask you, what is your favorite oingo boingo song?  I think "not my slave" is their best song.

Without a doubt - "We close our eyes."

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: zephyr on May 13, 2007, 08:00:26 PM
Has anyone bought or considered buying a HP? I'm looking at the dv6500t. Can anyone compare their customer service with Dell's?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 13, 2007, 08:07:00 PM
Has anyone bought or considered buying a HP? I'm looking at the dv6500t. Can anyone compare their customer service with Dell's?

My dad bought an HP less than a year ago.  I think it was the dv6000t.   ???  Anyways, it arrived with a broken mouse button, so we sent it back for repairs.  They shipped it back five weeks later with the button still broken.  They said they ran out of parts.  Seriously.  So, to this day, the buttons under his mouse are non-functional.  He just uses an external mouse, so it's not a big deal, but he spent about five hours a day for about four days on the phone with tech support or online with their tech support.  Horrible, horrible service.    If you get it, order it through a retailer that offers extended warranty service.  I have a 3-year-old Compaq (which I think is now the same company as HP & thus must share customer service).  Their customer service is the worst I have ever encountered in my life...it will frustrate you to tears.  Anytime I had a problem, I just went through the extended warranty company and all was well.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: lru22 on May 19, 2007, 03:49:53 PM
bump
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: dabble on May 20, 2007, 11:24:41 AM
Bought my HP DV6358 special edition from bestbuy last week.  Love it.  ;D
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: zephyr on May 20, 2007, 01:27:21 PM
I am anxiously tracking my HP dv6500 via FedEx. I bought it last week and it should arrive any day now!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: CTR on May 20, 2007, 03:24:41 PM
OK - just bought an X60s ... Lenovo has a 25% off Memorial Day sale, and I was too impatient to wait for the hyped up Independence Day sale.

Any recommendations for a good, portable, external optical drive?  I'd like to get a DVD/R.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Old and in the Way on May 20, 2007, 04:06:28 PM
All right, I'm about to pull the trigger on a MacBook Pro 15" and I need some advice.

2.33 GHZ processor vs. 2.13 GHZ processor - worth the extra $$? Or is it not a big difference?

I checked with my law school, and examsoft is avail. for Mac.

I do have a couple of kooky Mac vs. Windows questions, though -

Will a pdf file work on a Mac?
Will a jpg file work w/ Mac?

Anything else I'm missing?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 20, 2007, 04:18:06 PM
All right, I'm about to pull the trigger on a MacBook Pro 15" and I need some advice.

2.33 GHZ processor vs. 2.13 GHZ processor - worth the extra $$? Or is it not a big difference?

I checked with my law school, and examsoft is avail. for Mac.

I do have a couple of kooky Mac vs. Windows questions, though -

Will a pdf file work on a Mac?
Will a jpg file work w/ Mac?

Anything else I'm missing?


.pdf & .jpg files work on a Mac...I don't know about the other questions.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Old and in the Way on May 20, 2007, 04:19:56 PM
Thanks -

oh and what's that airport extreme card all about? Does the MacBook Pro not come with a wireless g/n/card installed?

Is this something I'll need?

Okay, the breakdown -

$2047.00
MacBook Pro, 15-inch, 2.16GHz
Part Number: Z0DP
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Accessory Kit
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB


vs.

MacBook Pro, 15-inch, 2.33GHz - $2389.00
Part Number: Z0DQ
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
Accessory Kit
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Is it worth it?


Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 20, 2007, 04:28:23 PM
Thanks -

oh and what's that airport extreme card all about? Does the MacBook Pro not come with a wireless g/n/card installed?

Is this something I'll need?

Okay, the breakdown -

$2047.00
MacBook Pro, 15-inch, 2.16GHz
Part Number: Z0DP
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Accessory Kit
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB


vs.

MacBook Pro, 15-inch, 2.33GHz - $2389.00
Part Number: Z0DQ
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
Accessory Kit
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Is it worth it?




I think it's worth the extra $300 or so.  Also, you'll need an airport card to use wireless Interent.  I don't know if the MacBook Pros come with them by default.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: nyu4ever on May 20, 2007, 04:30:26 PM
To anyone buying a macbook pro, I'd hold off as long as possible.  Rumors are that an update is just around the corner...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on May 20, 2007, 04:32:35 PM
To anyone buying a macbook pro, I'd hold off as long as possible.  Rumors are that an update is just around the corner...

yea i can imagine this would be the case since the macbook just got updated.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on May 20, 2007, 04:41:51 PM
How do people feel about Toshiba laptops as an option?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 20, 2007, 06:29:49 PM
Thanks -

oh and what's that airport extreme card all about? Does the MacBook Pro not come with a wireless g/n/card installed?

Is this something I'll need?

Okay, the breakdown -

$2047.00
MacBook Pro, 15-inch, 2.16GHz
Part Number: Z0DP
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Accessory Kit
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB


vs.

MacBook Pro, 15-inch, 2.33GHz - $2389.00
Part Number: Z0DQ
Backlit Keyboard/Mac OS - U.S. English
Accessory Kit
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
MacBook Pro 15-inch Glossy Widescreen Display
160GB Serial ATA Drive @ 5400 rpm
2.33GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
SuperDrive 6x (DVD+R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)

Is it worth it?




I think it's worth the extra $300 or so.  Also, you'll need an airport card to use wireless Interent.  I don't know if the MacBook Pros come with them by default.

Not worth it. Go with the 2.16 - you won't miss the difference in speed. I have the exact machine you've priced out and am greatly satisfied (I did however go for the matte rather than glossy screen - personal preference). The absolute must for any computer right now is 2 gbs of ram (which you've accounted for).

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: parischic on May 20, 2007, 06:39:44 PM
All right, I'm about to pull the trigger on a MacBook Pro 15" and I need some advice.

2.33 GHZ processor vs. 2.13 GHZ processor - worth the extra $$? Or is it not a big difference?

I checked with my law school, and examsoft is avail. for Mac.

I do have a couple of kooky Mac vs. Windows questions, though -

Will a pdf file work on a Mac?
Will a jpg file work w/ Mac?

Anything else I'm missing?


In my opinion It's not worth the difference for the 2.33 processor.  I love my macbook pro!  Get the warranty (you have up to a year to buy this after you purchase your laptop from Apple).  Do those prices include your 10% student discount?

PDF work on Mac, they open with the Preview program.  Also, a nice feature of macs is that when you save a file, you can also convert it to pdf.  JPG files work on iPhoto, or you can open them with Preview.  If you're a serious photographer check out Aperture!!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 20, 2007, 06:44:39 PM
To anyone buying a macbook pro, I'd hold off as long as possible.  Rumors are that an update is just around the corner...

True, but the new platform, Santa Rosa, has not (at least on the PC side) realized any gains which are making any sort of meaningful performance related difference(s). It wouldn't stop me from pulling the trigger.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Rockie on May 20, 2007, 11:19:06 PM
I actually read (well skimmed) through this whole thread. I'm using a Gateway 450 that I bought in early 2003 (although I've had to send it back to have the motherboard replaced twice) so based on that history and the warranty being expired, it seems a good idea to get a new one that's covered for law school. I plan to still use the gateway as a functional desktop in my room though and will want a much lighter weight and a much longer battery size to take to and from class and use for notes, and class related work.
The comments on the the tablets, especially the thinkpad, has gotten me interested in its added durability and functionality, although I'll have to do more research.

The thing is, I can get a Compaq at a 15% discount, but the few comments I've seen in this thread have been negative. Any more details on this?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 20, 2007, 11:47:43 PM


The thing is, I can get a Compaq at a 15% discount, but the few comments I've seen in this thread have been negative. Any more details on this?

I have a Compaq, and it really wasn't so bad.  The first year, I had 0 problems.  It caught on fire after I had it for a year and a half, but it was repaired and returned to me quickly.  It always had a low battery life, but I got a battery replacement after about two years, and it has always outperformed its advertised battery life...with the new and old battery.  Now, around the 3 year mark, the hard drive failed unexpectedly...this repair has been a little more annoying (was shipped back to me "repaired" but still broken, so it's still awaiting a second repair).  All in all, though, my Compaq was a pretty solid machine.  It's pretty fast and gave me few problems considering how long I had it and how frequently I used it.  The Compaq customer service was absolutely horrid, but if you have an extended warranty, you can just go through them.  I'm not going for a Compaq this time around, because I think there are lighter laptops around, but I would choose Compaq again over every brand except Apple, Sony, and Lenovo.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: stjobs on May 21, 2007, 12:09:59 AM
Quote
All right, I'm about to pull the trigger on a MacBook Pro 15" and I need some advice.

Ignore those who said not to wait. Unless you absolutely must have the laptop now - unlikely, as school won't start for several months and you're posting here anyway - you should hold off. The Santa Rosa update (perhaps with LED display...) is coming in late June; my bet would be for a WWDC announcement.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 21, 2007, 07:00:00 AM
Quote
All right, I'm about to pull the trigger on a MacBook Pro 15" and I need some advice.

Ignore those who said not to wait. Unless you absolutely must have the laptop now - unlikely, as school won't start for several months and you're posting here anyway - you should hold off. The Santa Rosa update (perhaps with LED display...) is coming in late June; my bet would be for a WWDC announcement.

IMHO the LED display is the only thing worth the wait. Santa Rosa is overrated. I do agree however that waiting doesn't hurt as Apple rarely, if ever lately, changes their prices.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: parischic on May 21, 2007, 08:06:39 AM
Another thing to think of in deciding When to buy, usually in August (at least for the past 3 years) Apple has run a rebate deal for students purchasing new computers.  If you purchase during August thru mid-sept you get a free ipod nano (a few years ago it was the mini, now its the nano).  If you already have one, these make great holiday gifts!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on May 21, 2007, 08:08:05 AM
So no opinions on Toshiba laptops?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pipster215 on May 21, 2007, 08:14:43 AM
I have a Toshiba now and it's been great. It's almost 4 years old so it's showing its age now and I'll be getting a new one this summer, but it still basically works fine. I basically went to Best Buy and got the cheapest computer I could find, so I don't know about the higher-end Toshibas. At this point, the battery is totally dead, but I think that's standard. The screen hinge is also really loose now.

I have had some problems with the fan assembly - it broke after about 9 months and they replaced it for me. I think that's a common problem with the model I have, don't know about other models.

If I was going to get another PC, I wouldn't be opposed to getting a Toshiba. All things considered, I think it's held up pretty well, and it was cheap.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on May 21, 2007, 08:34:34 AM
thanks pipster!

i was looking at this one in particular:

http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/pdet.to?seg=HHO&poid=359961
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: stjobs on May 21, 2007, 09:11:49 AM
Quote
IMHO the LED display is the only thing worth the wait. Santa Rosa is overrated. I do agree however that waiting doesn't hurt as Apple rarely, if ever lately, changes their prices.

Even if there was no LED upgrade or even Santa Rosa, the spec boost would be worth it, IMO. Unless the laptop is required *now* why not wait and get slightly more disk space and perhaps a marginally faster processor for the same price? It's been over half a year since an update to the MacBook Pro, I believe. I never understand why people are so eager to buy right before an update...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pinkisthenewlawschool on May 21, 2007, 10:33:20 AM
I just got a MacBook, the "middle" edition.  They did update some stuff two or three weeks ago, I think they made it faster. I am clearly really computer illiterate! Anyway, I'm sure if you waited until August they would update it again... :-\

I don't know as much about the MacBook Pro, but I love my new MacBook already, and I think it would be adequate to suit anyone's law school needs. Plus, even with the education discount with the warranty it was about $1500, which is what my school "suggested" you spend on a laptop computer.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: stjobs on May 21, 2007, 11:00:40 AM
The MacBook was updated recently. The MacBook Pro has not been updated in months.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 21, 2007, 11:28:34 AM
BOO for the new Macbook.  The old one I was watching (the better of the two 13" white ones) was around $1380...now it's over $1500.  I only want the cheaper white one with upgraded RAM, but you have no option to add a DVD burner to it.  >:(  I wish you could downgrade options like you can with other manufacturers...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: OingoBoingo on May 21, 2007, 11:28:57 AM
Quote
IMHO the LED display is the only thing worth the wait. Santa Rosa is overrated. I do agree however that waiting doesn't hurt as Apple rarely, if ever lately, changes their prices.

Even if there was no LED upgrade or even Santa Rosa, the spec boost would be worth it, IMO. Unless the laptop is required *now* why not wait and get slightly more disk space and perhaps a marginally faster processor for the same price? It's been over half a year since an update to the MacBook Pro, I believe. I never understand why people are so eager to buy right before an update...

I don't know that I am disagreeing with you necessarily - most people just want to know whether the computer will meet their needs. I think it is fair to say that most people will not care whether Santa Rosa or an LED display is there before they purchase. Nor should they really - the Macbook Pro is already an impressive machine to begin with. Your point about getting marginally better specs is taken but really, this means even less to your average computer buyer.

Oingo
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pinkisthenewlawschool on May 21, 2007, 11:39:38 AM
zone-the new one that I got, the more expensive of the white ones was a little over $1400 with the applecare. It has a DVD burner.  I used my education discount.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: .zone. on May 21, 2007, 12:17:58 PM
zone-the new one that I got, the more expensive of the white ones was a little over $1400 with the applecare. It has a DVD burner.  I used my education discount.

You got the one just a few weeks ago right before they changed them, right?  They switched up the options now so that the one with the DVD burner comes out to almost $1600 with 2GB ram & Applecare after the discount!  >:( I want the one you just bought!  (My shipping address is:... :D)
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: parischic on May 21, 2007, 12:29:19 PM
Zone, ask at the store if they have any of the last edition left (new, not refurbished) in the storeroom.  I did this in Jan when I bought a new MBP for my mom.  I got the exact model that we wanted (for the very basic user the updates really don't make that much of a difference) and I ended up getting an additional 10% off!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: skeeball on May 21, 2007, 12:37:08 PM
I noticed that the Mac Stores have classes...has anyone done one of these? I've only ever used PCs, and I need someone to show me how to do the different commands. I'd like to take a class so that I don't have to ask my b/f every time I don't know how to do something.

Or is that a waste of time?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: pinkisthenewlawschool on May 21, 2007, 12:39:41 PM
zone- I'm a little confused now! I got this as a gift, that's why I'm not completely sure what happened. I was told I got the newer version, but it says in the info:

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:   Mac
  Model Identifier:   MacBook2,1
  Processor Name:   Intel Core 2 Duo
  Processor Speed:   2.16 GHz
  Number Of Processors:   1
  Total Number Of Cores:   2
  L2 Cache (per processor):   4 MB
  Memory:   1 GB
  Bus Speed:   667 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:   MB21.00A5.B06
  SMC Version:   1.17f0
 

So I guess I got the older one. That's fine though, I'd really hate to think my family spent $1600 on a graduation present!!!  That's a good idea to try to get your hands on an older model if you can at the store. I know my ugrad school has a computer store, and I bet they still have some of the older ones around if the Apple store doesn't, so you could look around!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on May 21, 2007, 12:46:56 PM
I have been waiting really patiently to get my new Pro, and it sounds like I should wait a bit longer   :-\
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: skeeball on May 21, 2007, 12:48:59 PM
I'm not getting my new comp until I have a desk to put it on. Should be sometime in late July or early Aug.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: fowles on May 21, 2007, 12:49:27 PM
zone- I'm a little confused now! I got this as a gift, that's why I'm not completely sure what happened. I was told I got the newer version, but it says in the info:

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:   Mac
  Model Identifier:   MacBook2,1
  Processor Name:   Intel Core 2 Duo
  Processor Speed:   2.16 GHz
  Number Of Processors:   1
  Total Number Of Cores:   2
  L2 Cache (per processor):   4 MB
  Memory:   1 GB
  Bus Speed:   667 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:   MB21.00A5.B06
  SMC Version:   1.17f0
 

So I guess I got the older one. That's fine though, I'd really hate to think my family spent $1600 on a graduation present!!!  That's a good idea to try to get your hands on an older model if you can at the store. I know my ugrad school has a computer store, and I bet they still have some of the older ones around if the Apple store doesn't, so you could look around!

They just upped the processor speed a bit from the previous MacBook - used to only go up to 2.0 GHz.  I think that's what they're referring to when they say "newer version". 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Zam on May 21, 2007, 12:52:02 PM
I'm not getting my new comp until I have a desk to put it on. Should be sometime in late July or early Aug.

if you get a laptop you just need a lap.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: parischic on May 21, 2007, 12:53:26 PM
I noticed that the Mac Stores have classes...has anyone done one of these? I've only ever used PCs, and I need someone to show me how to do the different commands. I'd like to take a class so that I don't have to ask my b/f every time I don't know how to do something.

Or is that a waste of time?

Are these classes you have to pay for or the free ones they offer in the store?  Whenever I go into the Apple store I always get sucked into  whatever demonstration they have going, but they all seem to be the creative programs on Apples (Iphoto, itunes, imovie, garage band, aperture), rather than the functional ones (maybe I'm just not around when they do those demos).  I reccommend the iPhoto/iMovie demo.  
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: paul1454 on May 21, 2007, 01:05:55 PM
I am considering purchasing a dell (I know, what am I thinking) Inspiron 1501, AMD dual core processor, 1GB of Ram, 80GB HD, with XP and a 3 year service warranty for $714 plus tax.  I'm getting a business deal at work, but I was hoping you guys might have some input before I purchased it. 

Let me know what you all think.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: zephyr on May 21, 2007, 01:55:08 PM
I am considering purchasing a dell (I know, what am I thinking) Inspiron 1501, AMD dual core processor, 1GB of Ram, 80GB HD, with XP and a 3 year service warranty for $714 plus tax.  I'm getting a business deal at work, but I was hoping you guys might have some input before I purchased it. 

Let me know what you all think.

Not sure how much your business deal is worth, but try doing a search on Google and Ebay for "dell coupon." You can also check techbargains.com. You  might save a few bucks.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Rockie on May 21, 2007, 10:37:15 PM
Any tech junkies with thoughts on the HP Pavilion tx1000z or HP Compaq tc4400 tablets?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on May 22, 2007, 02:06:37 PM
and do not
DO NOT
DO NOT!

forget to get some sort of extra hard drive for backing up data.

i picked up this one today, not a bad price...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8293955&productCategoryId=pcmcat107700050005&type=product&cmp=++&id=1172277308084
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: stjobs on May 22, 2007, 02:33:57 PM
I recommend this LaCie.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202883565&adid=17653&dcaid=17653
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: ->Soon on May 22, 2007, 02:41:16 PM
I recommend this LaCie.

http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=202883565&adid=17653&dcaid=17653

not bad


but mines more fashionable...

:P
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Reesespbcup on May 22, 2007, 02:41:56 PM
will the lenovo july 4th sale be as good as the current one? better? worse?

Yay! New puppy!
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: whoisjohngalt on May 22, 2007, 03:59:08 PM
will the lenovo july 4th sale be as good as the current one? better? worse?

Probably better.  I just configured an x60s and it's only like $100 cheaper now than when I bought it last year at 4th of July, so I'm guessing the July 4th sale will be better.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Captain on May 22, 2007, 09:01:00 PM
yeah, the beagle was all partied out and needed a nap.

My Beagle is obviously better.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Captain on May 23, 2007, 10:32:35 PM
yeah, the beagle was all partied out and needed a nap.

My Beagle is obviously better.

psh...he doesn't even have a party hat.

He ate it.

Then he pooped it back out, and sniffed it. He enjoyed the smell.
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Reesespbcup on May 24, 2007, 07:40:02 AM
yeah, the beagle was all partied out and needed a nap.

My Beagle is obviously better.

psh...he doesn't even have a party hat.

He ate it.

Then he pooped it back out, and sniffed it. He enjoyed the smell.

At least he didn't eat it (again)...
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Reesespbcup on May 24, 2007, 07:47:56 AM
OK so I am still hung up on buying a small laptop and then getting a monitor to use at home. I bought a wireless keyboard but so far, I have nothing else.

So, I'm wondering what resolution I should go for on the monitor. Can I get good res with a big screen for a couple hundred bucks?

I have eye problems so I def need a big screen but I'm also too small to carry a 17" laptop. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 24, 2007, 09:13:46 AM
OK so I am still hung up on buying a small laptop and then getting a monitor to use at home. I bought a wireless keyboard but so far, I have nothing else.

So, I'm wondering what resolution I should go for on the monitor. Can I get good res with a big screen for a couple hundred bucks?

I have eye problems so I def need a big screen but I'm also too small to carry a 17" laptop. Thoughts?

Yes you can.  Dell has some nice displays.

Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: AspenLizzy on May 24, 2007, 10:16:05 AM
A question for the technically savvy:

The University of Miami recommends buying a laptop with at least 2.0 GHz of processor speed.  Most of the computers I have been looking at with dual core processors only operate at 1.7 or so.  Does this number really matter?  Also, anyone have comments on the AMD Turion 64 dual core x2s?  VS the Intel model?
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: Vick on May 24, 2007, 10:19:56 AM
A question for the technically savvy:

The University of Miami recommends buying a laptop with at least 2.0 GHz of processor speed.  Most of the computers I have been looking at with dual core processors only operate at 1.7 or so.  Does this number really matter?  Also, anyone have comments on the AMD Turion 64 dual core x2s?  VS the Intel model?

That seems excessive for the type of programs law students usually run. 
Title: Re: Buying a Notebook Computer for Law School? The Q and A thread
Post by: h2xblive on May 24, 2007, 11:08:21 AM
A question for the technically savvy:

The University of Miami recommends buying a laptop with at least 2.0 GHz of processor speed.  Most of the computers I have been looking at with dual core processors only operate at 1.7 or so.  Does this number really matter?  Also, anyone have comments on the AMD Turion 64 dual core x2s?  VS the Intel model?

Yeah, northwestern's is excessive, too. You should be fine with the slower processor. I don't know anything about recent AMD processors, but last time I got a computer they were comparable in performance and a bit cheaper.