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Deciding Where to Go => Acceptances, Denials, and Waitlists => Topic started by: Lady Stardust on February 17, 2006, 03:04:45 PM

Title: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lady Stardust on February 17, 2006, 03:04:45 PM
Did anyone else who HASN'T BEEN ADMITTED to Berkeley just get an email congratulating them on their recent admission and inviting them to an event? What is going on with these schools?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: johnab on February 17, 2006, 03:12:13 PM
I got the email too... I thought maybe they sent something in the mail and this email just beat them to the punch... Have you actually been denied admission prior to this?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lady Stardust on February 17, 2006, 03:13:37 PM

Nope, I went complete back in November and haven't received a decision.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 17, 2006, 03:14:07 PM
It's a mistake!  They sent an insufficiently long email apologizing.

I want to die, and take Boalt with me!

WTF.  WTF.

Also, presumably this email only went to "students of color" ?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: notfamous on February 17, 2006, 03:15:34 PM
I just got this as well. I tried to call the number listed in the email but it went straight to voicemail and I wasn't brave enough to leave a message. I would be totally mortified to get a call back from someone telling me that I'm just not good enough for their school. I can handle rejection much better in writing.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Evo on February 17, 2006, 03:15:55 PM
errr... i just got this too... and its driving me crazy... am i admitted?!!?!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lady Stardust on February 17, 2006, 03:16:12 PM
Wow... haven't gotten that email yet... how ridiculous.  >:(

Edit: Nope Jason, I'm as white as can be. That threw me off a bit, too.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Evo on February 17, 2006, 03:16:26 PM
-sigh-

"We apologize for the email you may have just received.  There was a computer error made and you were sent the email in error.  We ask that you disregard it.

Thank you."
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: potato on February 17, 2006, 03:16:51 PM
I got one, and whooops!
Just got a CYA email from them.  
Heh.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: johnab on February 17, 2006, 03:18:49 PM
So does this mean whoever has been accepted already knows?? >:(
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: twelvehundred on February 17, 2006, 03:19:59 PM
Got my hopes up.  This just happened at UGA.  Funny stuff. 
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: potato on February 17, 2006, 03:20:20 PM
Nope, I doubt it's any sign of admission on their part.  Although I do wonder what email list it was sent to.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: goodnews on February 17, 2006, 03:20:36 PM
just got it too.  good thing i saw this post on lsd first, otherwise i would've gotten all excited and yeehaw-ed for nothing.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mansfraz on February 17, 2006, 03:22:55 PM
just got it too.  good thing i saw this post on lsd first, otherwise i would've gotten all excited and yeehaw-ed for nothing.

Yes, unlike others of us! :(
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lady Stardust on February 17, 2006, 03:24:57 PM
Good question, Potato.

Did anyone who hasn't heard from Boalt NOT get the email?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 03:25:59 PM
Gosh, I'm glad this didn't happen to me. If Boalt was my first choice, I probably would have a heart attack after receiving the acceptance email & want to commit suicide after getting the "sorry we've made a mistake" email.

:( Law schools can be so heartless sometimes.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: saltpill on February 17, 2006, 03:27:43 PM
Hey I just got this, too.  Pretty messed up!  I'm starting to wonder if getting the email means we didn't get in...
Title: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: purplebird on February 17, 2006, 03:27:59 PM
Anyone else get the "Congratulations on your recent admission..." e-mail, only to have it retracted minutes later by Edward Tom's e-mail acknowledging an error in the computer system? How unprofessional!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: B.K. on February 17, 2006, 03:28:12 PM
I got both the invitation e-mail and the CYA apology email too! I have been complete for months but still haven't heard anything ;-(
Title: Re: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: Lady Stardust on February 17, 2006, 03:28:37 PM

See the "Acceptances" thread.  :'(
Title: What does this mean?
Post by: buju on February 17, 2006, 03:28:37 PM
I haven't heard anything since I applied to Berkeley last month (not even that my application is complete), and today I got this email:

"Greetings from Boalt Hall!

I am writing to congratulate you once more on your recent admission to Boalt
Hall and to cordially invite you to one more special event .

Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Thelton Henderson, and retired Alameda
County Superior Court Judge Henry Ramsey Jr. are hosting a reception for Boalt's
newly admitted students of color.  The reception will be held on Thursday, April
6, at 6:00 p.m. at the home of Boalt professor Richard Buxbaum, located at 2747
Forest Avenue in Berkeley, which is a short walk from the law school.

Several of our student organizations co-host the event.  These groups include
the Asian-Pacific American Law Students Association, the La Raza Law Students
Association, the Law Students of African Descent, the Native American Law
Students Association, the Pilipino Law Students Association, and the South Asian
Law Students Association.
 
I sincerely hope that you can attend.  It will be a great opportunity for you to
meet other admitted students, current Boalt students, faculty, and staff in
advance of our formal program the following day.  Attire is casual.

Please RSVP to Associate Director of Admissions, Gina Amato, at (510) 643-8441
or via email at gamato@law.berkeley.edu."


Is this a mistake or is it just a very odd (but much welcomed) way to let me know that I'm admitted? 
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: magnumalv on February 17, 2006, 03:28:45 PM
moi aussi

 >:(
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Crane on February 17, 2006, 03:28:58 PM
Quote
Good question, Potato.

Did anyone who hasn't heard from Boalt NOT get the email?

I've been complete for some time now and didn't get any emails.  For those of you who did... at least they're thinking of you, if only subconsciously.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: backandforthforever on February 17, 2006, 03:29:21 PM
OMG -- I f'ing hate berkeley....I just had the same thing happen to me. WTF?

I'm already into UPenn, so I'm debating if I want to email them asking to withdraw my application due to the unprofessional string of emails this afternoon....
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 03:29:53 PM
pinky, did you apply to boalt?

Nope I didn't.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: toinore on February 17, 2006, 03:30:07 PM
Well, I got the apology email, but not the original one.  I guess that means they REALLY don't want me  :P
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: backandforthforever on February 17, 2006, 03:30:44 PM
for the record....I am a minority.
Title: Re: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: ImNobody on February 17, 2006, 03:30:48 PM
So. So. SO messed up.

I read the congrats first and started screaming....


oh wait. And then my roommate came in. And we found out that no, I am not ACTUALLY admitted to Boalt. Furthermore, we are cordially NOT invited to attend, so don't show up: "We ask that you disregard it." Very ouch.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: snikrep on February 17, 2006, 03:31:51 PM
I didn't get anything :(.
Title: Re: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 03:32:20 PM
So. So. SO messed up.

I read the congrats first and started screaming....


oh wait. And then my roommate came in. And we found out that no, I am not ACTUALLY admitted to Boalt. Furthermore, we are cordially NOT invited to attend, so don't show up: "We ask that you disregard it." Very ouch.

I really find that to be very unprofessional. I understand that mistakes can happen, but sending out accidental acceptances is a very big deal!!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: goodnews on February 17, 2006, 03:32:49 PM
my apology email has not yet arrived...must be lagging.  seriously, THANK GOODNESS for lsd..it's taking forever for the apology to show up in my inbox... i would've been celebrating for 10 mins by now bwahahaha
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 17, 2006, 03:32:51 PM
It's a mistake!  They sent an insufficiently long email apologizing.

I want to die, and take Boalt with me!


Jason, just curious - with UMich, Penn and a bunch of other solid acceptances under your belt, why take Boalt's crap? 

Fun in the sun.

And nothing is solid until financial aid rolls in.

This is just so f-ing gauling.  Especially given that there was a recent rejection listed on LSN and I messaged that person and she said that because of complicated things (you can find the link to her lsn in a post I did on the useless Berkeley rejections thread) she was able to convince Boalt to give her decision over the phone and she was rejected.  SO THEY FREAKING KNOW WHO THEY ARE GOING TO REJECT.  Why don't they tell us??!?  Can someone please answer this question.  Of course the phones are blocked -- they have tons of kids calling trying to figure out about this damned email.  And I almost did leave a message, but chose to call back instead.  I also would have hated to have them call me back to tell me that I didn't get in -- although given the crappy insensitive nature of the "apologetic" email, I imagine they would have just taken the cowards way out and assumed that the email would suffice instead of calling me back.

God, I'm so angry right now I almost want to withdraw my sure to be rejected application.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mdashwood on February 17, 2006, 03:33:05 PM
Just wanted to add my pissedoffness to the masses.  G*#^$%!!!  

It's my first choice and, for the months I've been complete, every time I hit Refresh on my email (ie every 2 seconds) I'm hoping to get an email from Boalt.  I finally do and...THIS HAPPENS!!!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 03:33:43 PM
DAMMIT, BOALTTT !

From: Edward Tom [tome(at)law.berkeley.edu]
Subject: AN ERROR AND AN APOLOGY...

We apologize for the email you may have just received.  There was a computer error made and you were sent the email in error.  We ask that you disregard it.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 03:35:08 PM
It's a mistake!  They sent an insufficiently long email apologizing.

I want to die, and take Boalt with me!


Jason, just curious - with UMich, Penn and a bunch of other solid acceptances under your belt, why take Boalt's crap? 

Fun in the sun.

And nothing is solid until financial aid rolls in.

This is just so f-ing gauling.  Especially given that there was a recent rejection listed on LSN and I messaged that person and she said that because of complicated things (you can find the link to her lsn in a post I did on the useless Berkeley rejections thread) she was able to convince Boalt to give her decision over the phone and she was rejected.  SO THEY FREAKING KNOW WHO THEY ARE GOING TO REJECT.  Why don't they tell us??!?  Can someone please answer this question.  Of course the phones are blocked -- they have tons of kids calling trying to figure out about this damned email.  And I almost did leave a message, but chose to call back instead.  I also would have hated to have them call me back to tell me that I didn't get in -- although given the crappy insensitive nature of the "apologetic" email, I imagine they would have just taken the cowards way out and assumed that the email would suffice instead of calling me back.

God, I'm so angry right now I almost want to withdraw my sure to be rejected application.

I really find that to be very unprofessional. I understand that mistakes can happen, but sending out accidental acceptances is a very big deal!!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mdashwood on February 17, 2006, 03:35:22 PM
I'd just like to add that this HAD to happen late on a Friday afternoon. GAW!!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 03:35:30 PM
Hey, what do you guys think:

1. Should we all reply and complain?
2. Should we use this as an opportunity to politely reply and ask when we're going to hear somethign for real?
3. Place some hate calls? It's only 3:30pm in Boalt land.
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: "V" on February 17, 2006, 03:35:33 PM
I got an acceptance email like that from Seattle a week before my actual acceptance letter arrived. I would say it's a good sign.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lady Stardust on February 17, 2006, 03:35:50 PM
The apology was pretty brusque, to say the least. Would they treat potential admits this way?  ???
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: potato on February 17, 2006, 03:36:02 PM
We're in the system for our complete notifications.

Either it was an email sent out to a list of people to be dinged (hence only some people getting it).

Or it was an email sent out to a random group of people (grouped by index, complete dates, zip code, last name, who knows).  Because, they wouldn't send out an email to everyone who applied at the same time, that might be hard on the server (speculation here) so people are grouped for email lists by some method if the all applicants were emailed. And it was mistakenly sent to that list.

I'm unimpressed, but can understand how this happened.

We could start analyzing our stats to see where we fall...or we could say, hell with it, it's Friday.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: snikrep on February 17, 2006, 03:37:10 PM
I do have to say I'm not too impressed with what I've seen lately with Boalt - from Rusky's report that SF jobs are really hard to come by, to their current backlog... they are doing a good job to push me to UVA.

It seems like their bureaucracy is pretty bad, maybe in another 5 or 10 years once they get a new building and privatize the school some more, but until then things don't look too bright in Berkeley.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: B.K. on February 17, 2006, 03:37:58 PM
OK, two things:

1) My friend who has been accepted already received both e-mails.

2) I don't think we can deduce that they would only take the time to enter the e-mail info for the students they want to accept. I mean ALL applicants received the complete e-mail, so we're all already in the system.
Title: Re: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: "V" on February 17, 2006, 03:40:20 PM
I think law school should be bound by those things. What if the error went undetected for a few days, and people withdrew from other schools? It's just seriously uncool. Schools like Boalt would never let their students get away with such sloppiness when they were training to be attorneys.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: toinore on February 17, 2006, 03:40:28 PM
I am guessing that they also don't know who got the email...because I didn't, but got the apology.  So, it doesn't seem like anything can really be deduced from the email.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 17, 2006, 03:40:33 PM
The apology was pretty brusque, to say the least. Would they treat potential admits this way?  ???

To say the least is what they did.

Show some heart, Boalt.  Send an email saying that you realize this is tense time for applicants and that you are reading and reviewing our applications and assure us of how deeply sorry you are for having made such a MASSIVE mistake.  And then tell us when final decisions will be sent and again apologize.

I'm livid.  It's a good thing I'm going to karaoke tonight.  I'll work my frustrations out on the stage, under the spotlight.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Crane on February 17, 2006, 03:41:35 PM
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We could start analyzing our stats to see where we fall

I appear to be in the minority having not received either email.  Complete 12/15 167 3.7ish.  
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: B.K. on February 17, 2006, 03:42:44 PM
I'm livid.  It's a good thing I'm going to karaoke tonight.  I'll work my frustrations out on the stage, under the spotlight.

Oooh, fun...where do you like to go in the city?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: TheRenegade on February 17, 2006, 03:43:04 PM
This whole situation is ridiculous. But for the record, I was admitted back in January and I did get the "you're cordially invited" email and also the "we screwed up" email. I had thought they just realized I'm white and that I shouldnt come to the event. But yeah, wow, that's pretty much totally horrible.

I also got a "we match scholarships" email, so when I first read the one about the mistake I thought it was them telling me they wouldn't match mine.

Sorry everyone.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: goodnews on February 17, 2006, 03:44:49 PM
did anyone get the email, and then NOT get the sorry?  it's been quite awhile now and i haven't gotten the sorry yet.  i know my email is working fine b/c i've gotten other emails since the first boalt one.
Title: Re: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: SkipTown on February 17, 2006, 03:45:13 PM
I am very dissapointed in Boalt for sending me that message. I did not think it was cruel as the correction was sent soon thereafter. I just wish they would exercise more due diligence when it comes to people's academic and professional futures, hopes, dreams, and anything related to law school admissions.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: SkipTown on February 17, 2006, 03:47:31 PM
I also got the email and I also am not too pleased with Boalt. I am not going to try to read into it though.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: potato on February 17, 2006, 03:49:29 PM
goodnews--did you check your spam/trash folder? your email system might be able to detect the unspoken '@#!* you' in the 'apology' email.

Boalt, you forgive my crappy GPA, I'll forgive your email gaffe.

Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Laurenrae52 on February 17, 2006, 03:51:10 PM
I've been complete for 10 weeks at Boalt and didn't get the email - although I wish I would have, just to feel special.

That is really crappy of them to do - at least send out a more heartfelt apology.  Oh well, it's Friday - just go out and do a shot for Boalt! :-)
Title: Re: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: ImNobody on February 17, 2006, 03:51:17 PM
Let's crash their fancy-pants party and all wear Stanford sweatshirts!

"Please disregard it," my foot. I'm goin', and I'm goin' drunk. Bite me.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: goodnews on February 17, 2006, 03:51:41 PM
Yup I've checked everything.  Still didn't get the sorry.  How LAME would it be if they didn't send the sorry email to all their listservs that got the first email?

goodnews--did you check your spam/trash folder? your email system might be able to detect the unspoken '@#!* you' in the 'apology' email.

Boalt, you forgive my crappy GPA, I'll forgive your email gaffe.


Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 17, 2006, 03:52:05 PM
I'm livid.  It's a good thing I'm going to karaoke tonight.  I'll work my frustrations out on the stage, under the spotlight.

Oooh, fun...where do you like to go in the city?

Actually, it's going to be with friends in Astoria.  My first time doing it, actually.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Crane on February 17, 2006, 03:52:38 PM
Maybe they should try taking a page from Dean Zearfoss' book of nice emails.  I received this little gem this week:

Quote
Thank you for your application to the University
of Michigan Law School.  Because you went to
great lengths to apply relatively early in our
season, we understand that you may feel some
disappointment at not having received your answer
yet.  We appreciate the anxiety that the law
school admissions procedure causes and are
therefore writing to update you on the status of
your file.  Your file has been reviewed at least
once by our staff and the admissions committee
and we have found much to admire.  We have not
yet, however, been able to render a decision, and
are continuing to review your application file in
the context of the greater applicant pool.  Our
goal is to have all decisions made by the end of
April, but most applicants will hear well before
that time.  Please be assured that receiving this
email does not mean you will not get an answer
for three more months!  It simply indicates that
we recognize you have been waiting patiently, and we appreciate that.

It seems like a little courtesy and candor could go along way to remedy a little mix-up like this one.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Brasco on February 17, 2006, 03:53:55 PM
I got the apology not the original. . .I'm certain I'm on the ding list.  From the looks of it, that email was sent out to random people.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pass36 on February 17, 2006, 03:54:39 PM
I got the first email, got excited, changed my LSN, then came here and saw this.   :-\

Then I went back and checked and I have not gotten the second email.

 ???
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 17, 2006, 03:55:09 PM
I am going to call Boalt and I am going to hope to get an answering machine so I can rant for five minutes.

Politely, of course, 'cause I still would like them to accept me (assuming that ship hasn't already sailed).
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Pancho on February 17, 2006, 03:55:27 PM
I wonder if this flub will make the news....
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: toinore on February 17, 2006, 03:55:52 PM
I am certain I am on the ding list as well..although I haven't received a complete notification from them either.  So, who knows....
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: goodnews on February 17, 2006, 03:55:57 PM
I'm curious to see how many other ppl are in the same situation.  It's been about 30 mins now and I still haven't gotten the apology.

I got the first email, got excited, changed my LSN, then came here and saw this.   :-\

Then I went back and checked and I have not gotten the second email.

 ???
Title: Re: What does this mean?
Post by: cinnamin2891 on February 17, 2006, 03:56:52 PM
I just got this email as well and then another email from Edward Tom saying it was a mistake and to please disregard.  Is that some f-d up sh*t or what? My rejection must be on the way...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: ImNobody on February 17, 2006, 03:57:09 PM
You think you can tell me to "disregard it," Mr. Tom? Pshaw.

Let's crash their party. Drunk, with better acceptances in hand, and in Stanford sweatshirts. We can have an LSD anti-Boalt party outside if they won't let us it. 

Stupid Boalt.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Emolee on February 17, 2006, 03:57:38 PM
for the record, I didn't get either, but, yet, I haven't gotten a complete notice either.

so sorry for all of you that had your emotions played with... that's terrible.

I agree that no one can really know anything based on whether or not he/she got either email
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: snikrep on February 17, 2006, 03:59:31 PM
I was looking over Boalt's rejections from last year, they dinged one person who got into STANFORD!?!?

That's just messed up.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 17, 2006, 04:01:47 PM
So I just spoke with Mr. Tom.  I called, started ranting, and they put me through to him.

And he said he's getting hundreds of emails and he's bombarded and just wanted to get something out.

And I explained to him that the offense of the first email is forgiveable, but the sheer callousness of the second is not and that, when they stop getting calls and emails (and I don't feel sorry for their office being bombarded because it was their mistake and if they'd let us know ages ago that we didn't get in, perhaps they wouldn't be so under fire right now), they should send out yet another email apologizing again, one that reflects the gravity of the situation.

He once again told me that he's being bombarded, but will take my advice under consideration.

I don't imagine he will and I am pretty sure he wishes he'd gotten my name.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: toinore on February 17, 2006, 04:03:47 PM
I am assuming the "ding" due to my numbers, not the apology email.  But it does seem telling that I didn't even get the original saying "yes."
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: snikrep on February 17, 2006, 04:04:03 PM
Well I just hope this makes them hurry up a little bit with their decisions instead of taking sooooo long.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 04:04:53 PM
What an A-hole. I hope there is a boalt adcom/rep reading this board so they can see how pissed off people are!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Emolee on February 17, 2006, 04:07:39 PM
I was looking over Boalt's rejections from last year, they dinged one person who got into STANFORD!?!?

That's just messed up.

Boalt is a GPA-obsessed (similar to Columia's infatuation with the LSAT score)... perhaps this is why?  Although I agree it is odd

& good for you Jason for calling!!  smart not to give ur name!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: goodnews on February 17, 2006, 04:11:41 PM
ummm still no sorry.  this means that there are people out there celebrating after getting the 1st email.  so cruel.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: shae on February 17, 2006, 04:13:00 PM
i bet they ding ppl who accidently send the wrong personal statement to them.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: azdezza on February 17, 2006, 04:13:13 PM
FWIW, I got both emails from Boalt today as well.  I was complete in December and then withdrew my app in early January before receiving a decision.  I also received the follwing email from them a week later:

"We received your email communication informing us that you will not be continuing with your application to Boalt Hall. While we regret that you have decided to withdraw from our application process, we wish you great success with your alternative plans.
 
Thank you for your interest in our program."

...so they obviously received my withdrawal email.

Sorry to all you who received these emails today and are still waiting on a decision from them.  I cannot even begin to understand how upsetting this must be.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: shae on February 17, 2006, 04:13:45 PM
everyone should withdraw; boycott berkeley- haha
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 04:15:28 PM
Someone should really report this to the news. I think the public would be shocked to find about this story. Maybe Boalt will be more careful next year not to make such serious mistakes!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: twelvehundred on February 17, 2006, 04:17:57 PM
This story broke yesterday: 

UGA on Admission Letter Mistake
http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4518780&nav=0qq6

I was laughing about it.  Karma sucks.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: lovelovelovenyc on February 17, 2006, 04:19:50 PM
My god.  This is just plain tacky.  Pull your sh1t together Berkeley.  The ABSOLUTE worst part is the people who did not get the second email.  I can't imagine if Boalt was your first choice, you got the first email and started calling everyone you know.  And Dean Tom, just cruel.  If you are worried about being bombarded and getting a response out quick, how about send it to everyone??  (Btw, I did receive both emails and a very rude response from the Admiss Office when I called- prior to the second email.  female dog.)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: lovelovelovenyc on February 17, 2006, 04:21:02 PM
This story broke yesterday: 

UGA on Admission Letter Mistake
http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4518780&nav=0qq6

I was laughing about it.  Karma sucks.

This quote about adcomms def made me laugh.  "Nobody feels worse about it than the admissions office, because their job is to make people happy."  Bull.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Leshy on February 17, 2006, 04:22:43 PM
FWIW, I got both emails as well.  I got both at once, and I read the apology email first (even though it was the 2nd email), so luckily I didn't get all excited.  I also checked out the times on the emails, and they were sent out 16 minutes apart, so I'm not really sure why some people haven't gotten the apology email yet.

Frustrating, but I wish you all the best of luck with Boalt.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Luxor on February 17, 2006, 04:22:57 PM
Um, SH*T--should I read anything into the fact that I received the apology email but not the preceding letter??
Title: Re: Boalt e-mail error
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 04:24:44 PM
I think law school should be bound by those things. What if the error went undetected for a few days, and people withdrew from other schools? It's just seriously uncool. Schools like Boalt would never let their students get away with such sloppiness when they were training to be attorneys.

Main Entry: mal·prac·tice
Pronunciation: "mal-'prak-t&s
Function: noun
: negligence, misconduct, lack of ordinary skill, or a breach of duty in the performance of a professional service (as in medicine) resulting in injury or loss
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: ImNobody on February 17, 2006, 04:25:21 PM
Jason, I'm in love with you. No really.

Well actually, no. But good for you. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STANFORD.
I think (HOPE) that if those of us who got this weren't all dings-to-be (which, though I may be, I doubt many of you are), this hurts Boalt's #s this year. Sorry to be a grouch, and I understand that mistakes happen, but c'mon now- mistakes cannot happen when people's futures are hanging on your e-mails. It destroys the school's credibility and many people's 3 day weekends.
And I'm sorry Mr. Tom, but I could have thought of a nicer way to say it than that. Take a page out of Michigan's book, maybe.

Pancho - I hope this flub does make the news. Way to f-up over a 3 day weekend guys.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 04:26:04 PM
I have another theory.

Did everyone who got the hoax (er..mistake) e-mails have a last name that's in the first third or first half of the alphabet? My guess is that they found the problem before they got to ~L.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: twelvehundred on February 17, 2006, 04:27:55 PM
I have another theory.

Did everyone who got the hoax (er..mistake) e-mails have a last name that's in the first third or first half of the alphabet? My guess is that they found the problem before they got to ~L.

C here.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: The Poster on February 17, 2006, 04:32:24 PM
yup first third. wow...just, wow. this is the way they run their institution? berkeley: you got us!! I expect an adcomm to jump out of the bushes now and start laughing...taunting us.

I totally agree the follow up email was not good enough, but i guess maybe they had to get something out quickly...eh. they SHOULD give us all back our app fees for this, sheesh!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Guess who's coming to dinner?!? on February 17, 2006, 04:33:54 PM
OMG -- I f'ing hate berkeley....I just had the same thing happen to me. WTF?

I'm already into UPenn, so I'm debating if I want to email them asking to withdraw my application due to the unprofessional string of emails this afternoon....

HAHAHA I wish you would for all of us!!

I got this email too THANK THE HEAVANS ABOVE I checked  LSD before my email when I came back from lunch...I am so sorry for all those who had the reverse luck!  :'(
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: WfPck05 on February 17, 2006, 04:35:34 PM
Oh great I didn't get either email but I'm and M in the alphabet!  So did anyone figure out what it means?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: The Poster on February 17, 2006, 04:36:25 PM
OMG -- I f'ing hate berkeley....I just had the same thing happen to me. WTF?

I'm already into UPenn, so I'm debating if I want to email them asking to withdraw my application due to the unprofessional string of emails this afternoon....

HAHAHA I wish you would for all of us!!

I got this email too THANK THE HEAVANS ABOVE I checked  LSD before my email when I came back from lunch...I am so sorry for all those who had the reverse luck!  :'(

Man, THANK GOD FOR LSD! I feel 80% better just reading this thread after having this horrible mess happen. I am glad us lsders are here for eachother for crap like this.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: greenpolo on February 17, 2006, 04:36:49 PM
darn...got the second email apologizing, but not the first email. What the heck does this mean?

P.S. My last name starts with J
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 04:37:28 PM
Oh great I didn't get either email but I'm and M in the alphabet!  So did anyone figure out what it means?

I really think that a program (or disgruntled slave laborer!) starting e-mailing from Ashlee Aardvark and was going all the way down to Zelda Zinger but was intercepted somewhere in the vicinity of F-L by last name.
Title: Boalt Email Mixup?
Post by: backpackr on February 17, 2006, 04:37:32 PM
Hi,

My application is complete at Boalt and I'm waiting for a decision.

I got an email from the school today inviting me to an admitted students get-together soon followed by another asking that I disregard the previous message. Apparently the first was the result of a computer error.

I was somewhat disappointed, to say the least, especially because Boalt is my top choice for personal reasons even over higher ranked schools. Did this happen to anyone else?

Show me some love Berkeley!


Title: Re: Boalt Email Mixup?
Post by: Ocean Blue on February 17, 2006, 04:39:09 PM
Me too --- see my posting below "What Does it All Mean?"
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: The Poster on February 17, 2006, 04:39:57 PM
anyone consider the possiblity that it was the SECOND email that was a fake? maybe that edward tom guy or whoever he is is just full of *&^%. Yeah, I know, it is a big leap.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Karl Pilkington on February 17, 2006, 04:43:05 PM
I got the "disregard" email, but I didn't get the original. I think what Boalt did was stupid, but I can kind of understand why the second email was so short - would it be better to spend an hour drafting a long email explaining everything, or just send something out the minute you find the error, so people know that you screwed up as soon as possible? I think if they had waited and written a longer email, people would probably be even more pissed than they are right now.

That being said, the dean could easily have been more apologetic in the email, even if he needed to keep it short. If I were him, I'd send out a longer email later tonight. If he doesn't, I can definitely see this affecting Berkeley's yield.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pandabones on February 17, 2006, 04:43:16 PM
Oh great I didn't get either email but I'm and M in the alphabet!  So did anyone figure out what it means?

I really think that a program (or disgruntled slave laborer!) starting e-mailing from Ashlee Aardvark and was going all the way down to Zelda Zinger but was intercepted somewhere in the vicinity of F-L by last name.

It got down to G/H at least.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: kuokuo on February 17, 2006, 04:43:37 PM
Oh great I didn't get either email but I'm and M in the alphabet!  So did anyone figure out what it means?

I really think that a program (or disgruntled slave laborer!) starting e-mailing from Ashlee Aardvark and was going all the way down to Zelda Zinger but was intercepted somewhere in the vicinity of F-L by last name.

 Probably somewhere in the beginning half...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Luxor on February 17, 2006, 04:46:14 PM
I got the "disregard" email, but I didn't get the original. I think what Boalt did was stupid, but I can kind of understand why the second email was so short - would it be better to spend an hour drafting a long email explaining everything, or just send something out the minute you find the error, so people know that you screwed up as soon as possible? I think if they had waited and written a longer email, people would probably be even more pissed than they are right now.

That being said, the dean could easily have been more apologetic in the email, even if he needed to keep it short. If I were him, I'd send out a longer email later tonight. If he doesn't, I can definitely see this affecting Berkeley's yield.

Is anyone else who received only the apology letter freaking out right now?  I've been complete for a little over three weeks, and I'm taking the failure to receive the original letter as an implication that I haven't been and won't be admitted

So upset...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: greenpolo on February 17, 2006, 04:48:20 PM
but it (hopefully!) stopped before reaching J...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LadyLaw23 on February 17, 2006, 04:48:39 PM
I received both e-mails today, fifteen minutes apart. My file has been complete for a long, long time. Unfortunately for me, I wasn't on LSD's website when I received the first e-mail, and although my gut instinct kept telling me it was a mistake, I did, for about fifteen minutes, fill with all kinds of hope! After I received the second e-mail, I logged on to LSD to check on what was going on. I did get to talk to Mr. Tom and he was very apologetic and did check on my file status for me, which is still under review apparantly, however, I'm still hurt, disappointed and most of all frustrated.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: kuokuo on February 17, 2006, 04:50:33 PM
I got the "disregard" email, but I didn't get the original. I think what Boalt did was stupid, but I can kind of understand why the second email was so short - would it be better to spend an hour drafting a long email explaining everything, or just send something out the minute you find the error, so people know that you screwed up as soon as possible? I think if they had waited and written a longer email, people would probably be even more pissed than they are right now.

That being said, the dean could easily have been more apologetic in the email, even if he needed to keep it short. If I were him, I'd send out a longer email later tonight. If he doesn't, I can definitely see this affecting Berkeley's yield.

My guess is that they might not be sure who got the email and so blanketed a larger pool of people.  This makes sense. It's better to have some people not sure what they are talking about than the alternative of having some people going around believing that they are in.  Lesser of 2 evils?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: maizdog on February 17, 2006, 04:51:04 PM
I still havent recieved the second email.  How many other people are in this situation?  I doubt it means anything other than further confirmations wrt Berkeley's incompetence.

I am beyond angry right now.  This is just about the most unprofessional snafu I can imagine.  Even if I am lucky enough to get in it sounds like there are going to be many, many heartbroken students out there who had something just ripped from underneath them.

As if I needed another reason to dislike Berkeley (Stanford grad here...)

-M
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: greenpolo on February 17, 2006, 04:51:12 PM
Luxor: I hear you - I'm in the same boat and totally worried! Darn - I almost wish I had gotten the first email.

Board: Did they send out the second email to EVERY applicant?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Brasco on February 17, 2006, 04:52:24 PM
Dudes, these thoeries are insane! My last name starts with L.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: goodnews on February 17, 2006, 04:52:47 PM
It's been over an hour and I still haven't received the second apology email.

I still havent recieved the second email.  How many other people are in this situation?  I doubt it means anything other than further confirmations wrt Berkeley's incompetence.

I am beyond angry right now.  This is just about the most unprofessional snafu I can imagine.  Even if I am lucky enough to get in it sounds like there are going to be many, many heartbroken students out there who had something just ripped from underneath them.

As if I needed another reason to dislike Berkeley (Stanford grad here...)

-M
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Luxor on February 17, 2006, 04:52:57 PM
Luxor: I hear you - I'm in the same boat and totally worried! Darn - I almost wish I had gotten the first email.

Board: Did they send out the second email to EVERY applicant?

greenpolo, I'm about to send you a PM
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mdashwood on February 17, 2006, 04:53:47 PM


As if I needed another reason to dislike Berkeley (Stanford grad here...)

-M

High-five!  Me, too.  All I can think is "Cal sucks!!!"
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LadyLaw23 on February 17, 2006, 04:56:15 PM

ladylaw, I am very frustrated and hurt too...was he really nice? That is good, at least. I don't know how I would feel about calling him right now.

He certainly did apologize and was understanding and nice but he wasn't as sympathetic as I'd hoped he would be.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: kuokuo on February 17, 2006, 04:57:04 PM


As if I needed another reason to dislike Berkeley (Stanford grad here...)

-M

High-five!  Me, too.  All I can think is "Cal sucks!!!"

Seriously, it's okay to be pissed...but CAL really is a great place to go to school.  I went there for undergrad and enjoyed my time there.  Every department is top notch...

Go Bears!

I guess Furd is okay too...(My bro went there)...as long as you guys keep losing the Big Game!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mdashwood on February 17, 2006, 04:59:19 PM


As if I needed another reason to dislike Berkeley (Stanford grad here...)

-M

High-five!  Me, too.  All I can think is "Cal sucks!!!"

Seriously, it's okay to be pissed...but CAL really is a great place to go to school.  I went there for undergrad and enjoyed my time there.  Every department is top notch...

Go Bears!

Oh, I fully agree.  There's a reason it's my top choice :)  It's just my anger talking.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: kuokuo on February 17, 2006, 04:59:33 PM
I don't know if this has been said before, but, just maybe...it was all a ploy to out lsders. I mean, if it is, look how many of us they have just gotten.

But what would be the motivation?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: ocdb8r on February 17, 2006, 05:01:56 PM
I still have not received the apology e-mail....curious how long I should wait before I call them up.  UGH!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: kuokuo on February 17, 2006, 05:03:23 PM
I still have not received the apology e-mail....curious how long I should wait before I call them up.  UGH!

Well if you want to know before the long weekend...you better hurry up! If I were you I would be sick to my stomach if I had to wait that long...

Hopefully you made it in...would at least be a little bit of good news!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: ibroadrunr on February 17, 2006, 05:05:04 PM
FWIW, last name starts with B.  Both emails received over an approximately 15 min span.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pass36 on February 17, 2006, 05:06:36 PM
I just saw on monster.com that there are four IT openings at Boalt ....
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 05:13:08 PM
I petition that the original poster change the title of this thread to

Umm, BoalTTT Email?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jays98978 on February 17, 2006, 05:14:32 PM
I got both emails, my last name starts with B and I'm white.

But I'm not upset because I never got excited. I read only the first two lines of the email and immediately called the phone number on the bottom to find out if it was a mistake. It seemed fishy to me that such an email would come before my actual acceptance, especially when my LSAT is far below what they accept.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: The Poster on February 17, 2006, 05:18:44 PM
NEW IDEA:

Everyone, email their alumni dept. (or whoever accepts donations) and write a long  detailed email about how you are donating a huge amount of money to the school. Then, an hour or more later, send a retraction.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jays98978 on February 17, 2006, 05:24:28 PM
Thanks, Nesnut! ;D Your assumptions are correct. Good luck to you too!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 17, 2006, 05:28:00 PM
See, I thought it might be a mistake, but this has happened to me with 2-3 of the schools that I've gotten in to, actually.  That I found out I was admitted through indirect means...

I would also agree that an angry rant would be out of place.  When I called, I was not angry, but I calmly expressed my frustration over the second email.  I explained that I was not so angry, just disappointed, over the first email, but that the second email was unacceptable.

And, you know what, it doesn't take hours to draft a sympathetic and caring response.  There's no excuse for the lack of concern shown by that apology and I really do hope that he will, as he said, take my advice into consideration and send out a follow-up to the second email.

And now, it's time to sing.  G'night kids.  Keep Hope Alive!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: kuokuo on February 17, 2006, 05:32:45 PM
NEW IDEA:

Everyone, email their alumni dept. (or whoever accepts donations) and write a long  detailed email about how you are donating a huge amount of money to the school. Then, an hour or more later, send a retraction.

hehe thats pretty funny

Actually something like that happened in a town near me. A really wealthy guy said he would donate 10 million to the city.  He later said he couldn't make the donation (not sure of the reason), and the city sued.  They cited that they had already made plans and commitments based on the sum in their city budget.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: maizdog on February 17, 2006, 05:33:30 PM
Well, I just got the second email.  Poststamped for 15 minutes later but I just got it now (two hours later).  Oh well.

As an aside - I find the response is especially disingenuous - "There was a computer error..."  BS.  Computers dont make errors, people do.  I realize this is mostly a semantic point but this really bothered me for some reason.

-M
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: The Poster on February 17, 2006, 05:34:41 PM
See, I thought it might be a mistake, but this has happened to me with 2-3 of the schools that I've gotten in to, actually.  That I found out I was admitted through indirect means...

I would also agree that an angry rant would be out of place.  When I called, I was not angry, but I calmly expressed my frustration over the second email.  I explained that I was not so angry, just disappointed, over the first email, but that the second email was unacceptable.

And, you know what, it doesn't take hours to draft a sympathetic and caring response.  There's no excuse for the lack of concern shown by that apology and I really do hope that he will, as he said, take my advice into consideration and send out a follow-up to the second email.

And now, it's time to sing.  G'night kids.  Keep Hope Alive!

Jason, thank you SO much for making that call and trying to talk some sense into those guys over there. You are the best! (and, a lot braver than most of us)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 05:46:24 PM
Actually something like that happened in a town near me. A really wealthy guy said he would donate 10 million to the city.  He later said he couldn't make the donation (not sure of the reason), and the city sued.  They cited that they had already made plans and commitments based on the sum in their city budget.

What happeend?

I would be shocked if the city won, because unless they promised to give him something in exchange for the 10 million, and delivered on their end of the deal, there was no consideration, and thus no contract.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: vinooo on February 17, 2006, 05:48:42 PM
My sad pathetic ( Boalt email) story to make you feel better.......I got the first email around 4:30 at work. Normally I would have been skeptical of just an "email acceptance" and called the admissions office right away....but just last week a similar thing happened with my American WCL acceptance. I got a financial aid admit email and before celebrating my acceptance I called the office just to make sure. I was in!!!
Sooooo. when I get the F*K&ing Boalt email I figured it was a similar thing to American and what did I do??? First I tried calling my boyfriend's cell phone. He did not answer. SO then I called my mom. She was so proud!!! Then I called my Boss, the one who had written me the rec letters. She was very impressed and excitedly happy. Then I clled my brother....then my best friend.....and then I tried my boyfriend again. He told me that I should probably call the admision office before they close just to make sure.

You can imagine that during this whole 10 minutes my mind is racing and my heart is beating fast and I am thanking my angels for helping me get into my #1 school. SO then I call the Boalt admissions office. Some F**ching robot lady answers and does not even let me finish what I am saying before she tells me that it was a mistake. MY heart dropped and then the humiliation set in. I had to call everyone back and tell them it was a false amarm. BOalt can kiss my ass.
BY the way- My last name starts with g and I am a minority.I did not recieve the second apolgy email. I am drinking heavily right now.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on February 17, 2006, 05:50:15 PM
I agree- a real letter stating what happened would not kill Boalt or any of the staff (though I just might after this).  Honestly, how hard is it to explain what happened?

And I agree with on of the original posts- if they know who has been rejected, they should have the courtesy to let people know soon- especially for people who are accepted elsewhere with $$$ and who have deadlines to let those schools know.

And for the record, my last name starts with B and am listed as Caucasian, but I'll be more than happy to attend this info session if it means I'm in!

DAMN DAMN DAMN

wow, this sounds like it really sucks. hang in there guys. i think that they try to send out rejections ASAP and any day that you don't get one is a day you are still being considered.  i was admitted very late (just 3 weeks before admit day), so hang in there.  there is still hope!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: The Poster on February 17, 2006, 05:53:35 PM
My sad pathetic ( Boalt email) story to make you feel better.......I got the first email around 4:30 at work. Normally I would have been skeptical of just an "email acceptance" and called the admissions office right away....but just last week a similar thing happened with my American WCL acceptance. I got a financial aid admit email and before celebrating my acceptance I called the office just to make sure. I was in!!!
Sooooo. when I get the F*K&ing Boalt email I figured it was a similar thing to American and what did I do??? First I tried calling my boyfriend's cell phone. He did not answer. SO then I called my mom. She was so proud!!! Then I called my Boss, the one who had written me the rec letters. She was very impressed and excitedly happy. Then I clled my brother....then my best friend.....and then I tried my boyfriend again. He told me that I should probably call the admision office before they close just to make sure.

You can imagine that during this whole 10 minutes my mind is racing and my heart is beating fast and I am thanking my angels for helping me get into my #1 school. SO then I call the Boalt admissions office. Some F**ching robot lady answers and does not even let me finish what I am saying before she tells me that it was a mistake. MY heart dropped and then the humiliation set in. I had to call everyone back and tell them it was a false amarm. BOalt can kiss my ass.
BY the way- My last name starts with g and I am a minority.I did not recieve the second apolgy email. I am drinking heavily right now.

My heart goes out to you. Stay strong!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pandabones on February 17, 2006, 05:57:53 PM
i think that they try to send out rejections ASAP and any day that you don't get one is a day you are still being considered.  i was admitted very late (just 3 weeks before admit day), so hang in there.  there is still hope!
[/quote]

Boalt has sent NO rejections.  That is my biggest beef with them.  BRING ON THE DINGS!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on February 17, 2006, 06:03:33 PM
i think that they try to send out rejections ASAP and any day that you don't get one is a day you are still being considered.  i was admitted very late (just 3 weeks before admit day), so hang in there.  there is still hope!

Boalt has sent NO rejections.  That is my biggest beef with them.  BRING ON THE DINGS!
[/quote]

none at all this application cycle or none that have shown up on LSN recently?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pandabones on February 17, 2006, 06:05:07 PM
i think that they try to send out rejections ASAP and any day that you don't get one is a day you are still being considered.  i was admitted very late (just 3 weeks before admit day), so hang in there.  there is still hope!

Boalt has sent NO rejections.  That is my biggest beef with them.  BRING ON THE DINGS!

none at all this application cycle or none that have shown up on LSN recently?
[/quote]

None period, although the word on the street is that this is a weird cycle because of less applicants, but more applications.  Still, at least they could send update letters (or emails) if they can't ding yet.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: azrakunblue on February 17, 2006, 06:11:58 PM
Yes, I got both emails
Once I read the first one I could not believe. I was skeptical because of my low numbers, but then got exited. Yeah, nice few minutes of joy! I called the admission office to confirm, but I got only answering machines.

Gusshh... I had to actually start to laugh when I was reading this forum. This is insane!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 17, 2006, 06:12:55 PM
In light of today's e-mail scam, I have to shout:

BOALTTT SUX
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: wowand135 on February 17, 2006, 06:31:23 PM
count me in too. both emails, but called the folks before reading the second :( i see a bottle of jeager in my near future... so humiliating after jumping up and down screaming in front of my bf who really wanted me to be able to stay in the area. last name 'g' high gpa not so high lsat.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on February 17, 2006, 06:40:48 PM
wait, what's this about Boalt having lots of apps but not enough applicants?  I don't get it- are their numbers down for some reason?
what did they say abot not having enough applicants?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: doode on February 17, 2006, 06:41:32 PM
Seriously, are we all in a really bad pool for applying late?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on February 17, 2006, 06:46:22 PM
Seriously, are we all in a really bad pool for applying late?

how late is late?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Towlie on February 17, 2006, 06:49:25 PM
I swore I would never post on this site again, but, after recieving this email, I needed people to commiserate with :-(   I can't friggin believe it. I got Ed Tom himself on the phone after the correction e-mail and got him to review my file on the phone for me. He said I should recieve a decision within 10 business days and that my file had passed "initial committee" and no decision had been made.

Still, this is a cruel, cruel thing to do. The rudeness of the admission's staff (other than Ed) speaks volumes to me (yes, they were rude when I called). Ugh.

Oh well, GO HOYAS!!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: wowand135 on February 17, 2006, 06:55:37 PM
holy crap you really did that? wow i hope that pays off for you
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pandabones on February 17, 2006, 06:56:46 PM
wait, what's this about Boalt having lots of apps but not enough applicants?  I don't get it- are their numbers down for some reason?
what did they say abot not having enough applicants?

I think I started this.  I don't know about Boalt's app numbers, but the GENERAL trend (see http://www.deloggio.com/newweb/news.htm) for this cycle is that there are more applications, but fewer applicants.  Perhaps this is why Boalt is holding off on rejections.  Or they are just being mean/lazy/incompetent.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 07:39:25 PM
It's just so disappointing that a school as prestigious as Boalt would make such a massive mistake and handle it so POORLY. It just blows my mind. And then to be so nonchalant and fakely apologetic about it....it just makes me lose so much respect for the school & especially the dean.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Luxor on February 17, 2006, 07:44:42 PM
It's just so disappointing that a school as prestigious as Boalt would make such a massive mistake and handle it so POORLY. It just blows my mind. And then to be so nonchalant and fakely apologetic about it....it just makes me lose so much respect for the school & especially the dean.

I'm with you, pinky.  The email was in very poor taste.  Even if the poster who speculated that Edward Tom wanted to get the mistake acknowledgment out there as soon as possible is correct, I still think that less than a minute of thought could have resulted in an email with much more considerate, sensitive language.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: out on February 17, 2006, 08:03:38 PM
I like this response.

"I apologize for the application you may have received from me.  There was an error in judgment made, and you were sent the application in error.  I ask that you disregard the application, and refund my seventy dollars.  Thank you."

When I am clear-headed I will seriously consider sending it.


Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: boalty-faulty on February 17, 2006, 08:18:04 PM

someone said he talked to Ed Tom and found out he will be answered in 10 business days. was just wondering when your application was complete?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: boalty-faulty on February 17, 2006, 08:19:01 PM
nesnut you're a minority?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: WfPck05 on February 17, 2006, 08:22:06 PM
So what if you didn't receive either one????  ???
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: boalty-faulty on February 17, 2006, 08:28:17 PM

hey i didn't receive either e-mail today
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pass36 on February 17, 2006, 08:28:49 PM
complete 1/17, non URM, got first email but not second
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: rcl on February 17, 2006, 08:29:37 PM
I think that my experience contradicts some of the hypotheses about how this screwup happened.

I was accepted to Boalt over a month ago, and offered a scholarship.  Today, I got an email saying that Boalt would match some other schools' financial aid offers.  Followed 40 minutes later by the same brief apology email that everyone else received.

Since I am already accepted, they shouldn't have had my file called up this afternoon for review.  And because I got a different email than most other people on this thread (financial aid policy, instead of invitation to admitted student events), whatever went wrong can't have been a simple matter of someone hitting the wrong button once.  My last name begins with an L, though.

My profound sympathies to everyone who got suckered into believing they'd been accepted today.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: ocdb8r on February 17, 2006, 08:30:48 PM
Well....I have to add that I received a much nicer personal e-mail from the admissions office that indicated they had a computer mis-hap that they are still investigating.  They confirmed I have not been admitted or denied and that my app was still under review.  This was in response to my e-mail to them requesting clarification considering I had not received any other info of admission and was not a student of color.....I also had not received the retraction e-mail.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: boalty-faulty on February 17, 2006, 08:36:48 PM
it's logical to assume their e-mail contact list is alphabatically divided and well, since some people got both e-mails some got none (with no established correlation to GPA's/LSAT's, it is safe to assume the someone (probably jobless and drowning in a bag of cheetos at this moment), accidently pressed a button of the names A to L (or A to whatever)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: boalty-faulty on February 17, 2006, 08:38:14 PM

100 % arab here nesnut
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jarvisa on February 17, 2006, 08:40:57 PM
I did not get the first email, but I got the apology.  I have been waiting patiently to hear from Ed Tom and this is not how I wanted it to happen.  Sigh.  For the record I have a decent LSAT, a good GPA, and I'm a white male.  And my last name starts with J
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: boalty-faulty on February 17, 2006, 08:48:49 PM

hey guys i just received a weird email from an Ed Tom? Who's he
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: boalty-faulty on February 17, 2006, 08:58:35 PM

Well here, i'll post the e-mail:

Dear Mr. Boalt-at-Fault,

After a long day of sorting things out at the office, I came home to find my wife in bed with another man. After the initial "shocked and appalled" reaction, I sat down with my wife's latino lover and found out he has an application currently under review by the admissions committee here at Boalt. Being a minority with a decent gpa and a not-so-competitive LSAT score,  my wife explained to me Pedro's potential as a Latino lover and convinced me he would be an excellent addition to the Boalt community. After careful consideration, I have decided to accept Pedro to my school as well as my family, and therefore have also came to the conclusion that meeting applicants will give me a better chance to asses them on a personal level. So please, if you would like to show your level of enthusiasm in attending the Boalt School of Law, I invite to come to my home and screw my wife.

My apologies,

Ed
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: sea dream on February 17, 2006, 09:03:14 PM
lol. i didn't read through the entire thread as it's 14 pages right now, altho i will later when i have more time. but i got the email apologizing in case i got some kind of email in error. Thankfully, i didn't have the "congratulations" email first, or else i would probably have freaked. it's nice to know they have my email on file though cuz i don't think i've otherwise received a word from them.. no complete notice or anything like that.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Stephon Devante on February 17, 2006, 09:33:22 PM
Well I didn't apply to Boalt, but that's very uncool what they did. Hopefully this was an accidental alert for those that are already admitted... they just want to send something more formal first.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: lww02 on February 17, 2006, 10:05:29 PM
Good question, Potato.

Did anyone who hasn't heard from Boalt NOT get the email?

I haven't heard from Boalt yet and I did not get the email, thank god, i cant take the dramatics.
Title: bizarre berkeley emails
Post by: stacy on February 17, 2006, 10:31:59 PM
so i just got an email from berkeley congratulating me on my acceptance and inviting me to a special event for prospective students of color during their open days.

except--a)i'm not a student of color and b) i haven't been accepted--this is the first email i've gotten since my complete notice on November 4th.

soon after, I got an email saying that I may have recieved the previous email in error due to a computer glitch.

SO.  time for baseless speculation.  did anyone else get this email?  do you think it means i'm on some sort of admitted students list and was just somehow misidentified as a student of color?  or was it just a total screwup that means nothing about my chances for acceptance?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: stacy on February 17, 2006, 10:48:25 PM
i got both emails 15min apart.  last name starting with B, complete since 11/4, gpa and lsat both slightly above last year's median, not a racial minority.

ugh.  i just want to know if i'm in, or out--at this point i don't really care which; i just want this all to be over. 
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Slow Blues on February 18, 2006, 05:12:19 AM
Nobody, nobody at all has contacted a newspaper? ??? And nobody's withdrawn their application over this?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: chidochido on February 18, 2006, 06:09:43 AM
Man this thread is freaking me out...I already got my acceptance packet but I'm wondering if they screwed up those too...I got the apology email yesterday as well as an email about them matching scholarship offers from T-14 schools...I don't even know what the hell is going on anymore...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: SFnative on February 18, 2006, 06:11:01 AM
Nobody, nobody at all has contacted a newspaper? ??? And nobody's withdrawn their application over this?

LOL. it was weird. I came home last nite and found the emails. It was a mass mailing explaining their matching scholarship offer to the other top law schools, followed by the apology email.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: sea dream on February 18, 2006, 06:20:50 AM
Nobody, nobody at all has contacted a newspaper? ??? And nobody's withdrawn their application over this?

LOL. it was weird. I came home last nite and found the emails. It was a mass mailing explaining their matching scholarship offer to the other top law schools, followed by the apology email.

that's probably not the email that was sent in mistake. the email that was sent in mistake seems to be one that was sent to people with last names before J (possibly only in the not-yet admitteds? or actually admitted students of color) congratulating them on their recent admissions and inviting them to come to some sort of thing for students of color.

Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 06:41:30 AM
Man this thread is freaking me out...I already got my acceptance packet but I'm wondering if they screwed up those too...I got the apology email yesterday as well as an email about them matching scholarship offers from T-14 schools...I don't even know what the hell is going on anymore...

Yeah, I really don't think any school makes the mistake of sending acceptance packages to the wrong people on a mass scale.

All it appears is that first they screwed up by sending out this  one email to all the wrong people (and maybe some of the right ones?) that you didn't get, then they screwed up by reacting inappropriately couple with sending out this email to what appears to be almost everyone, whether you had gotten in already or not, whether you had been sent the first misdirected email or not, which has only 'caused further confusion since now people who got in but received that scholarship matching email are wondering if that was a mistake (and I am pretty sure that it wasn't), etc. etc.

I'm going to go balls to the wall and call again on Monday (if they are open, otherwise Tuesday) and explain to them that, after all of this *&^%, they had so f-ing better get people on sending on the rejections we know that they are just letting pile up.

I may even give them my name.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: chidochido on February 18, 2006, 06:53:01 AM

Yeah, I really don't think any school makes the mistake of sending acceptance packages to the wrong people on a mass scale.


You're right, just getting a bit paranoid...this whole thing is really f'd up though...I feel bad for everyone going through this - I know my ass was on the phone to my people right when I got the acceptance email...it would suck to have to call everyone back and be like, 'false alarm!' - damn...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 07:16:08 AM
I'm calling again first thing on Monday or Tuesday (if they are closed Monday) morning and explaining the following:

1.  That another email does need to be sent that addresses the nature of the situation.
2.  That had they been rejecting people, the response probably would not be so great because of the fact that students who'd been rejected would rather quickly have realized that it was a mistake.

and asking the following:

1.  Have I been rejected?  After what will then be 103 days of waiting to hear back from them, following this debacle, I think I/we all deserve some answers.
2.  If they will not tell me if I've been rejected (or even if they do), when will those letters finally go out?
3.  Why on earth do they think it makes sense to hold off on rejecting people?  I am sure the response would be that they want to see the whole applicant pool, but I am sure that there are people with low LSAT scores and low GPAs and nothing particularly special about their lives (in the eyes of Boalt) who apply and who Boalt would never accept -- this is true of all schools -- so why not tell those people in January, rather than late Februar/early March or possibly even later?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: John Galt on February 18, 2006, 07:49:26 AM
I got the first email about matching offers, but not a second apology letter. However, Annabel, who is admitted to Boalt, got both letters. weird.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 18, 2006, 07:54:01 AM
TStock at least sends hold letters.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: John Galt on February 18, 2006, 07:56:58 AM
its really weird that i'm still getting correspondance at all from UC-Berk. But, its probably just a glitch. I'm sure they didn't do it on purpose.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 08:35:32 AM
I do not rant.  I do not plan on ranting.  And I used to work in Customer Service at an "upscale" place in Manhattan -- I certainly no how to handle people/how people are handled.  Of course, whether or not I choose to play that game is a different story.

And if this means my not getting into Boalt (like, as if maybe I would have but this makes them not like me), then I really think that means Boalt isn't for me.

But uhm... attention must be paid.

EDIT: I do rant, but I know when not too and I'm capable of holding my tongue.  Did I tell Mr. Tom what a feminine hygiene product he was being to me when I explained to him very reasonably why another email was necessary?  No, I held my tongue.  ;)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: gogiants on February 18, 2006, 09:15:44 AM
I just wanted to join in the group self-pity party.  I didnt check my email yesterday evening so when I woke up  my girlfriend's this morning I checked it and saw the email from Boalt.  I noticed a second email but my eyes went straight towards Boalt.  I read the first line and thought I was crazy, I have been hoping all along that some glitch would get me admitted and it looked like it had happened.  Let me add here that I do not belong being admitted.  I yelled to my girlfriend to come and read it, blah blah blah, very happy, blah blah blah, "you're not a minority"...  I guess I knew it was too good to be true though, I called the number at the bottom of the email almost immediately and the explanation was on the answering machine... oh well... then i saw the second email.  What are you gonna do I guess, right?  I am sure this glitch means nothing at all and that it is just that, a glitch.  I was a blissful minute or two though, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 09:17:28 AM
Here is Cornell UGrad's response when they did something similar a couple of years ago (and any second now I'm going to get over this and stop posting):

http://chronicle.com/weekly/documents/v49/i26/cornell_letter.htm#regret

But, see, that shows concern, understanding.  Is that just too much to ask for from Berkeley?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 09:35:45 AM
Here is Cornell UGrad's response when they did something similar a couple of years ago (and any second now I'm going to get over this and stop posting):

http://chronicle.com/weekly/documents/v49/i26/cornell_letter.htm#regret

But, see, that shows concern, understanding.  Is that just too much to ask for from Berkeley?
 

Post the article. It is password protected.

I didn't realize that.  My school's network has access to so many things and I guess I just never think about it:


"CORNELL'S APOLOGY

Dear (first name),

The Undergraduate Admissions Office recently sent you a congratulatory e-mail by mistake. Due to a computer error, the entire pool of early decision applicants was sent this message, including those applicants who had been refused. My sincere apologies to you and your family for any confusion and distress this message has caused.

Our office aims to treat all applicants to the university with sensitivity and respect. In this case, due to our systems coding error, we obviously fell short of that goal.

Again, please accept my heartfelt apology for this regrettable circumstance. I wish you only the best in your future college endeavors. If you still have questions or concerns, an admissions counselor in our office would be happy to discuss them with you. Please feel free to contact us at 607-255-5047.

Sincerely,

Angela Griffin-Jones
Dean of Undergraduate Admissions"
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: sea dream on February 18, 2006, 09:43:25 AM
definitely like a thousand times more tasteful.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lunchbox on February 18, 2006, 10:19:23 AM
My best friend always told me never trust somebody with two first names (Edward Tom, for example).  I guess this just goes to show you how right he was...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: vinooo on February 18, 2006, 10:28:18 AM
I never got the second "apology" email and i need some closure. Could somebody post it? Thanks
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: vinooo on February 18, 2006, 10:41:02 AM
Wow. I didn't realized just how bad....oh well. Thanks
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: seabreeze on February 18, 2006, 10:42:02 AM
I got accepted into Boalt about a week ago and got a bunch of emails yesterday. I got an identical financial aid email 4 times from two different senders. Then I got the email inviting me to the meeting for people of color. Then I got the email saying that I should disregard the previous email. I wasn't sure which previous email it was talking about until I went on LSD and read this thread.

Someone should contact the Daily Cal with this info. It is really awful to give false hope and then not properly apologize.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: magnumalv on February 18, 2006, 10:45:23 AM
Not that I'm condoning the error, but perhaps it wasn't their fault: maybe they were hacked.

It's worth a thought.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 10:50:35 AM
Not that I'm condoning the error, but perhaps it wasn't their fault: maybe they were hacked.

It's worth a thought.

The error isn't the issue.

The response is what I and imagine most of us are up in arms about.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: pgcc on February 18, 2006, 10:54:46 AM
I got this horrible e-mail too and I have not even gone complete and my app was sent in late nov. I sent them an e-mail telling them that after reading the e-mail I jumped up and down until I realized it was a mistake. Also my mother is Hispanic however, because of a sense of honor, I failed to inform this to them (I checked Caucasian my other half). I now regret this and also told them this in the e-mail and asked them if I should rectify the situation. The reason I left out my Hispanic heritage on a lot of my apps is that I don't know if it is right that minorities get a bump in the admissions process. But to tell you the truth, at this point I will take what ever advantage I can get and wish I put down my part Hispanic heritage on all my apps. Luckily on my Michigan and duke app I am considered Hispanic so maybe it will help me out with them seeing I am borderline (167/3.96)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: magnumalv on February 18, 2006, 10:55:11 AM
While the response was brusque, I think it was meant as damage control. My bet is that we'll get a more PC response later this week.

As for a purely speculative motive for why they wouldn't mention a hack right away: It prolly wouldn't make us feel any better that our sensitive information is available to god knows who.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: magnumalv on February 18, 2006, 10:55:41 AM
Whadya know. Look what I just got:

At approximately 3:00 p.m. California time last Friday, February, 17, an e-mail was generated and sent in error to a portion of our applicant pool.  The subject line was "You Are Cordially Invited…" and inferred that the recipient had been admitted to Boalt Hall.  The body of this e-mail was an invitation to an annual event hosted by two of our graduates.  It was not an offer of admission.

The e-mail was generated in the context of a software training session, and was sent in error.  If you did not receive the e-mail in question, you need not read further.

To those of you who were recipients, I wish to express our deep regret for any confusion or disappointment our error may have caused.  I realize that many law school applicants are particularly anxious while awaiting the arrival of decision letters, and it is most unfortunate that our mistake may have added to this tension.  Immediately upon discovering what had happened on Friday, a retraction and apology e-mail was sent to the same list of addressees.  Some of you have contacted our office, and I wish to express our thanks to those who were understanding about this regrettable situation.

Our admissions process is proceeding smoothly and we anticipate that, as in other years, it should be completed toward the end of March.  Decision letter mailings may begin in the next 2-3 weeks.

Once again, please accept our heartfelt apology for any distress our error may have caused.

Sincerely,

Edward Tom
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: magnumalv on February 18, 2006, 11:05:05 AM
No replies? Everyone must be checking their email.  :D
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: vinooo on February 18, 2006, 11:13:58 AM
No replies? Everyone must be checking their email.  :D
:o :o
Well. Mr. Ed got a clue. Good for him. I hope he is telling the truth about the decision letter mailings.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Evo on February 18, 2006, 11:17:57 AM
hmmm, no second apology for me.... perhaps they are not really sure who got the emails??
none here either
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: rhythmbomb on February 18, 2006, 11:19:59 AM
nope. didn't get one.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: gogiants on February 18, 2006, 11:29:26 AM
haven't gotten one either...
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on February 18, 2006, 11:36:49 AM
I got this horrible e-mail too and I have not even gone complete and my app was sent in late nov. I sent them an e-mail telling them that after reading the e-mail I jumped up and down until I realized it was a mistake. Also my mother is Hispanic however, because of a sense of honor, I failed to inform this to them (I checked Caucasian my other half). I now regret this and also told them this in the e-mail and asked them if I should rectify the situation. The reason I left out my Hispanic heritage on a lot of my apps is that I don't know if it is right that minorities get a bump in the admissions process. But to tell you the truth, at this point I will take what ever advantage I can get and wish I put down my part Hispanic heritage on all my apps. Luckily on my Michigan and duke app I am considered Hispanic so maybe it will help me out with them seeing I am borderline (167/3.96)

I think it really depends on how you identified yourself prior to applying to law school.  If you have always checked Caucasian, your records back to elementary say Caucasian and you've never particularly identified yourself with the Hispanic culture, I think it might be suspect, and probably unethical to try to get the extra boost by checking the Hispanic box.  If, however, you have identified equally with both, or more so with Hispanic, and your records up to now are not in conflict with that, you should probably try to change back to Hispanic.  You're not THAT borderline at Boalt, anyway and you have a great shot of getting in, but if this makes you sleep better at night, you should definitely try to get it changed.  Good luck getting through to a live human being in admissions, though.  I hear it's really tough.  Hang in there, though.  It will all work out.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 11:40:45 AM
Nothing here either, and perhaps I'm too keen staying angry but...

Decisions have already gone out.  The only decisions that haven't gone out are rejections.  So does that mean those of us who are going to be rejected still will have no relief from this Hell for 2-3 more weeks, which probably means 3-4?

That doesn't make me feel better, because, again, if that one girl was telling the truth about how she found out she was rejected on LSN, then that will be almost a month between when they know at least some of us are being rejected and when they let us know.  I'm sorry, but that's still not acceptable to me.  I will appreciate this email, should I ever actually get it, but I'm still mad as hell that they won't just tell us we're not in if we're not in.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on February 18, 2006, 11:43:50 AM
Nothing here either, and perhaps I'm too keen staying angry but...

Decisions have already gone out.  The only decisions that haven't gone out are rejections.  So does that mean those of us who are going to be rejected still will have no relief from this Hell for 2-3 more weeks, which probably means 3-4?

That doesn't make me feel better, because, again, if that one girl was telling the truth about how she found out she was rejected on LSN, then that will be almost a month between when they know at least some of us are being rejected and when they let us know.  I'm sorry, but that's still not acceptable to me.  I will appreciate this email, should I ever actually get it, but I'm still mad as hell that they won't just tell us we're not in if we're not in.

Decisions go out in waves.  In previous cycles they were admitting people as late as the end of March, so the fact that you haven't gotten anything yet doesn't mean you are rejected.  Remember that they only stopped taking apps in the beginning of Feb, so there are tons more applicants to get through.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Evo on February 18, 2006, 11:46:04 AM
just got the 2nd apology letter.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: wowand135 on February 18, 2006, 11:46:47 AM
no second apology for me either yet. hey can we sue for emotional trauma? :) we can have a class-action lawsuit! (and yes i am just kidding, no mean replies about how stupid i am!)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mobo on February 18, 2006, 11:47:54 AM
Neither have I...

Maybe they're just sending it to the people they're seriously considering admitting? ;)

then i should be in (woo hoooooo! ;)), because i didn't just get the original email and the original retraction, but TWO, count 'em, TWO copies of the very PC apology from ET. TWO copies, about an hour apart.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 11:52:52 AM
Nothing here either, and perhaps I'm too keen staying angry but...

Decisions have already gone out.  The only decisions that haven't gone out are rejections.  So does that mean those of us who are going to be rejected still will have no relief from this Hell for 2-3 more weeks, which probably means 3-4?

That doesn't make me feel better, because, again, if that one girl was telling the truth about how she found out she was rejected on LSN, then that will be almost a month between when they know at least some of us are being rejected and when they let us know.  I'm sorry, but that's still not acceptable to me.  I will appreciate this email, should I ever actually get it, but I'm still mad as hell that they won't just tell us we're not in if we're not in.

Decisions go out in waves.  In previous cycles they were admitting people as late as the end of March, so the fact that you haven't gotten anything yet doesn't mean you are rejected.  Remember that they only stopped taking apps in the beginning of Feb, so there are tons more applicants to get through.

But don't you see?  That's the point!  Acceptances may go out in waves, but no one has been rejected yet, at least not on LSN or LSD that has reported it.  Granted, it's entirely possible that people not on either site are being rejected, but that doesn't really seem plausible.

So to say that Decisions are going out in 2-3 weeks, as if they haven't already, is a loaded comment.

People who aren't getting in deserve to know that, and there is absolutely no justifiable reason for delaying that information this long.  If they are seriously still considering every applicant who has neither gotten in nor been rejected, then, fine, continue to deliberate.  But I can hardly believe that Boalt, one of the most selective schools out there, is actually seriously still considering every one of the thousands of applicants who've been complete for weeks/months and have heard nothing.

Ruskie, you seem very cool and I love that you are so willing to give advice about Berkeley and I'm sure that it's a great school, but please just admit that the admissions office has royally screwed up and they don't seem to be really doing anything to make it better.  And I'm so not talking about the first email, because that kind of thing happens all the time.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: LittleRussianPrincess, Esq. on February 18, 2006, 11:59:12 AM
Nothing here either, and perhaps I'm too keen staying angry but...

Decisions have already gone out.  The only decisions that haven't gone out are rejections.  So does that mean those of us who are going to be rejected still will have no relief from this Hell for 2-3 more weeks, which probably means 3-4?

That doesn't make me feel better, because, again, if that one girl was telling the truth about how she found out she was rejected on LSN, then that will be almost a month between when they know at least some of us are being rejected and when they let us know.  I'm sorry, but that's still not acceptable to me.  I will appreciate this email, should I ever actually get it, but I'm still mad as hell that they won't just tell us we're not in if we're not in.

Decisions go out in waves.  In previous cycles they were admitting people as late as the end of March, so the fact that you haven't gotten anything yet doesn't mean you are rejected.  Remember that they only stopped taking apps in the beginning of Feb, so there are tons more applicants to get through.

But don't you see?  That's the point!  Acceptances may go out in waves, but no one has been rejected yet, at least not on LSN or LSD that has reported it.  Granted, it's entirely possible that people not on either site are being rejected, but that doesn't really seem plausible.

So to say that Decisions are going out in 2-3 weeks, as if they haven't already, is a loaded comment.

People who aren't getting in deserve to no that, and there is absolutely no justifiable reason for delaying that information this long.  If they are seriously still considering every applicant who has neither gotten in nor been rejected, then, fine, continue to deliberate.  But I can hardly believe that Boalt, one of the most selective schools out there, is actually seriously still considering every one of the thousands of applicants who've been complete for weeks/months and have heard nothing.

Ruskie, you seem very cool and I love that you are so willing to give advice about Berkeley and I'm sure that it's a great school, but please just admit that the admissions office has royally screwed up and they don't seem to be really doing anything to make it better.  And I'm so not talking about the first email, because that kind of thing happens all the time.

I'm with you on your frustration and I think the email and the late dings are adding unnecessary stress to your life, but as of right now, you have no idea if you're on of the people who's just waiting in the ding pile until they decide to mail them or if you are still being thoroughly and seriously considered in light of the other applicants they have.  maybe they want to see the whole picture before they reject people.  that doesn't seem too bad.  hang in there, really.  you can dig up my old LSN profile. I think I went complete in Jan and didn't get in till March.  I know the system may not make sense to you know, but there is some method to their madness and they seem to be able to put together some awesome classes. 
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mobo on February 18, 2006, 12:04:45 PM
Don't know whether to laugh, shake my head and throw up my hands, or get annoyed.

I have just received the third copy of the second apology, anyone else?

times of emails, in PST, listed below

11:56am
11:41am
10:46am
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: shae on February 18, 2006, 12:05:30 PM
Don't know whether to laugh, shake my head and throw up my hands, or get annoyed.

I have just received the third copy of the second apology, anyone else?

times of emails, in PST, listed below

11:56am
11:41am
10:46am

haha- this is bordering on humorous; they seem very unorganized right now.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Luxor on February 18, 2006, 12:06:06 PM
Bizarre---now I find myself speculating as to why I received not one but THREE apology emails, including the one that was sent on Friday.  The title of the second email was AN EXPLANATION AND ANOTHER APOLOGY and the title of the third was AN EXPLANATION.  As far as I could tell, the body of the letters was exactly the same.  Does Boalt want to make it extra clear that they would never consider admitting me?  ;)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: SkullTatt on February 18, 2006, 12:08:49 PM
But don't you see?  That's the point!  Acceptances may go out in waves, but no one has been rejected yet, at least not on LSN or LSD that has reported it.  Granted, it's entirely possible that people not on either site are being rejected, but that doesn't really seem plausible.

So to say that Decisions are going out in 2-3 weeks, as if they haven't already, is a loaded comment.

People who aren't getting in deserve to know that, and there is absolutely no justifiable reason for delaying that information this long.  If they are seriously still considering every applicant who has neither gotten in nor been rejected, then, fine, continue to deliberate.  But I can hardly believe that Boalt, one of the most selective schools out there, is actually seriously still considering every one of the thousands of applicants who've been complete for weeks/months and have heard nothing.

Yeah I totally agree.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: WarrenG on February 18, 2006, 12:11:22 PM
Luckily I was in a position to laugh because I sent them an application but never sent them the application fee (I had a change of heart when I realized how much I had already spent in application fees).  I thought they might have been so impressed that they just forgot about the fee.  However, if I were seriously considering Boalt I would be first in line at the "Send Mr. Edward to Abu Grahib" movement.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: thetinycowboy on February 18, 2006, 12:17:57 PM
Argh...

I didn't get ANY of the e-mails. Complete since 11/10. Although it would be horrifying to think I miraculously got in only to get the f-you letter, my hopes are possibly dropping even lower. Oh well.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mdashwood on February 18, 2006, 12:25:24 PM
Bizarre---now I find myself speculating as to why I received not one but THREE apology emails, including the one that was sent on Friday.  The title of the second email was AN EXPLANATION AND ANOTHER APOLOGY and the title of the third was AN EXPLANATION.  As far as I could tell, the body of the letters was exactly the same.  Does Boalt want to make it extra clear that they would never consider admitting me?  ;)

Ha ha, I got those same additional two - 15 minutes apart from each other.  Though I do appreciate the additional effort toward a satisfactory explanation and apology, they're not exactly demonstrating impressive administrative skills.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 18, 2006, 12:27:04 PM
I think they took "ANOTHER APOLOGY" out of the subject line on the second sending because they think that apologizing to us is below them.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Guess who's coming to dinner?!? on February 18, 2006, 12:40:13 PM
These Boalt people are funny...I really think it was just an error and they messed up big time, but you guys, we should just let it go.  I know if I had not checked LSD prior to seeing those emails I would have a harder time doing this, but in all honesty let's move on. The hurt they have caused is something we will just have to live with and it is another reminder of how Law Schools can do whatever the hell they want when it comes to admitting students.

What would be interesting is if it effects their yeild this year, but I doubt it will. Boalt is still top notch and no amount of pissed of applicants will effect that  :-\
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 12:53:26 PM
So I've decided after getting this email not to call Mr. Tom.

But I really want to say something and after all of this, I'm not sure that I want to go to Boalt and I've been very fortunate with where I have gotten in so far, and so I do not know that I have anything particular to lose by sending the email that is below.  You don't have to read it, but I would like to know if it makes me sound crazy, because I'd rather not sound crazy.  But I do really want to say something:
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 12:53:45 PM
EDIT: Screw it.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lgirl on February 18, 2006, 01:13:51 PM
I want to tell you all that I am sorry for your shock and disappointment - I can imagine how annoyed and upset you are.

However, I have to say that I think it's a really bad idea to send this email. Of course, it's your decision, butif I were you I would consider a few things first. Rather than what do you hope to achieve, you should ask yourself what you can reasonably expect to achieve. Do you think you'll hear any sooner? Do you think Boalt will change they way they do things? I have to say that I think the answer to those questions is a clear resounding 'no'.

What you will gain is feeling purged of your anger and thus temporarily better. But when this email changes nothing, I think you will feel even more frustrated and regret what you sent. Permit me to say that what you want is a reaction. I have been in a very similar position with a school I wanted to attend and sent a letter just like yours about a similar issue and nothing came of it and I think the situation is analogous. I also suggested changes and said why I felt they were important. But it was naive of me to think it would make a difference, and in the end I felt silly for having ranted.

What I would do is talk to your friends and family and use the weekend to get over it as best you can, whilst recognising that you have some great choices if you are not admitted to Boalt (which, of course, you may well be).

I only write this because you asked for an opinion.

I wish you and everyone else on this thread the very best of luck.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: shae on February 18, 2006, 01:15:46 PM
hey im in the cool kids club not.  I withdrew my application in late December and I jsut go the apology e-mail.

I responded with

Hello-

I withdrew my application over a month ago.

Thanks
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 01:20:40 PM
Yeah, I'm over it.

I think writing the letter helped me to get out my anger over this situation.  Although I will say that I want is not a reaction, but an answer.

But you are right in that it will most likely change absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: snikrep on February 18, 2006, 01:51:15 PM
I only got the apology on Sat, but neither of the other two emails.

Ditto.

Berkeley has slipped quite a bit in my view lately.  I had been really looking forward to their decision, but now have gotten to the point where I really don't care.  With a new building, better student numbers, new profs, and a revamped administration they might become competitive, but otherwise it seems like their slide will continue.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: shae on February 18, 2006, 01:55:14 PM
I only got the apology on Sat, but neither of the other two emails.

Ditto.

Berkeley has slipped quite a bit in my view lately.  I had been really looking forward to their decision, but now have gotten to the point where I really don't care.  With a new building, better student numbers, new profs, and a revamped administration they might become competitive, but otherwise it seems like their slide will continue.

it doesnt matter if Berkeley is really slipping, but that seems to be the perception of a lot of people; some people dont buy into it (I think Berkeley may be a tad overrated and COULD begin to slip- bit I think they are still a great school, def. t14 worthy) but they should do something to try to fight this perception or the rumors could become true.

This "administrative oversight" does not help people's perception.  I'm not saying that they are ttt now and i dont think this will affect their yield at all- but it is a rather embarassing incident for them.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: WfPck05 on February 18, 2006, 01:56:25 PM
I only got the apology on Sat, but neither of the other two emails.

Well now I really feel unloved...  :'(
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: magnumalv on February 18, 2006, 02:00:50 PM
3 apologies here as well.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: gogiants on February 18, 2006, 02:19:15 PM
whats ttt?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 02:33:56 PM
whats ttt?

a horrible expression that i wish people wouldn't use.

(third-tier toilet)
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: lightessenz on February 18, 2006, 02:44:11 PM
They are slow at deciding admissions
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: shae on February 18, 2006, 02:45:38 PM
whats ttt?

a horrible expression that i wish people wouldn't use.

(third-tier toilet)

ok, ill stop
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jballer on February 18, 2006, 02:46:18 PM
Wow I'm so happy I only got the last apology email.  I'm sure I'll get rejected with my numbers, but I seriously think I would have had a heart attack if I went through the absolute bull that some of you went through.  I really can't even imagine that without wanting to kill somebody.  
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: mjca83 on February 18, 2006, 07:00:45 PM
I think everyone really needs to relax and not make such a big deal about this.   Yes, this looks unprofessional, but don't take anything away from the prestige of Berkeley.  I went to undergrad there so I am not surprised by this screwup, but it's one of the best places to go to school.  Accept their apology, and be mature about this.  Some of you are taking this way too seriously.  Wherever you end up, you can have a successful legal career.  I know plenty of people coming out of T3 schools that are doing great, making a great living, and are happy in life. 
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 18, 2006, 07:41:07 PM
Personally, I am going to bear a grudge.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: John Galt on February 18, 2006, 07:44:05 PM
I'm sorry, but Boalt sucks.

US News should automatically drop top 14 schools out of the top 14 for a year for mistakes like this.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: SkullTatt on February 18, 2006, 07:57:18 PM
Boalt sux.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 18, 2006, 08:01:15 PM
Adam Brody is $#%@ hot.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 18, 2006, 09:30:33 PM
Adam Brody is $#%@ hot.

Who is Adam Brody?

To be clear, what are people upset about?  Everyone keeps saying to calm down, that it's not a big deal, to not take it so "seriously," etc. etc. and I'm not sure we're all talking about the same thing.

I was under the impression that people, like me, were mostly upset with the second email (the first response), and not the first email (the error).  Am I wrong?

I do think it's foolish and counter productive to be bothered by the first email because mistakes happen, even when they shouldn't, but I do not think that anyone is unjustified (and, of course, I am biased here) in being upset/frustrated/pissed/miffed/whatever with the second email/the handling of this situation, ESPECIALLY (how many more times am I going to mention this?  It's awful when you realize yourself that you sound like a broken record ;)) in light of the overall lack of rejections that have been received thus far.

But if people are mostly upset over the first email, then I'm clearly on the wrong thread.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: The Poster on February 18, 2006, 09:33:54 PM
Adam Brody is $#%@ hot.

Who is Adam Brody?

To be clear, what are people upset about?  Everyone keeps saying to calm down, that it's not a big deal, to not take it so "seriously," etc. etc. and I'm not sure we're all talking about the same thing.

I was under the impression that people, like me, were mostly upset with the second email (the first response), and not the first email (the error).  Am I wrong?

I do think it's foolish and counter productive to be bothered by the first email because mistakes happen, even when they shouldn't, but I do not think that anyone is unjustified (and, of course, I am biased here) in being upset/frustrated/pissed/miffed/whatever with the second email/the handling of this situation, ESPECIALLY (how many more times am I going to mention this?  It's awful when you realize yourself that you sound like a broken record ;)) in light of the overall lack of rejections that have been received thus far.

But if people are mostly upset over the first email, then I'm clearly on the wrong thread.

i was upset about the second email. the third email (which i just got today) was a lot better...but sort of too little, too late in my mind.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: snikrep on February 18, 2006, 10:05:04 PM
I'm guessing for most of us this is just a way to vent frustration for Boalt taking so long on their applications, the individual mistake they made isn't *that* big of a deal. 
Title: My personal experience....
Post by: ColombianDude on February 19, 2006, 05:48:56 AM

I received the acceptence email on Friday night as well as the invitation to the colored event. Since I am Hispanic everything seemed coherent. Besides, I did not received the short apology that most of you received 15 minutes after the initial acceptance email.
Adrenaline flowing trhough my veins, I woke up my wife and called my mom (It made her cry!!) to tell them about the good news. My mother, after we hung up, called every single relative to share the news. On Saturday morning I had 7 messages from different relatives and friends congratulating me. Minutes later my mom called to tell me that she had made reservaions for lunch at the White House in Anaheim to celebrate...
I cannot express in words the humilliation and frustration thaT I felt when at 1:53 on Saturday I received the "ANOTHER APOLIGY" email. I had to  return every single phone call to explain the mistake and, to my great regret, brake my mom's heart. To my request, she canceled the reservation and we ended up eating at Pollo Loco...LOL
I'm sharing this tragic story with all of you guys so that those who think that this is not a big deal realize the magnitude of Boalt's error. My sincere condolences to those who had the misfortune to live something similar. I know there are plenty. Schools have no right to play with people's emotions in this way.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: UseYourHead on February 19, 2006, 06:02:59 AM

I received the acceptence email on Friday night as well as the invitation to the colored event. Since I am Hispanic everything seemed coherent. Besides, I did not received the short apology that most of you received 15 minutes after the initial acceptance email.
Adrenaline flowing trhough my veins, I woke up my wife and called my mom (It made her cry!!) to tell them about the good news. My mother, after we hung up, called every single relative to share the news. On Saturday morning I had 7 messages from different relatives and friends congratulating me. Minutes later my mom called to tell me that she had made reservaions for lunch at the White House in Anaheim to celebrate...
I cannot express in words the humilliation and frustration thaT I felt when at 1:53 on Saturday I received the "ANOTHER APOLIGY" email. I had to  return every single phone call to explain the mistake and, to my great regret, brake my mom's heart. To my request, she canceled the reservation and we ended up eating at Pollo Loco...LOL
I'm sharing this tragic story with all of you guys so that those who think that this is not a big deal realize the magnitude of Boalt's error. My sincere condolences to those who had the misfortune to live something similar. I know there are plenty. Schools have no right to play with people's emotions in this way.

Wow. That's awful--I'm really sorry.


colored event

Double wow.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: aqualung on February 19, 2006, 06:07:43 AM
Did anyone who hasn't heard from Boalt NOT get the email?
I haven't heard back since the complete notice from Boalt.
Received neither email.
Title: Re: My personal experience....
Post by: sea dream on February 19, 2006, 06:22:51 AM

I received the acceptence email on Friday night as well as the invitation to the colored event. Since I am Hispanic everything seemed coherent. Besides, I did not received the short apology that most of you received 15 minutes after the initial acceptance email.
Adrenaline flowing trhough my veins, I woke up my wife and called my mom (It made her cry!!) to tell them about the good news. My mother, after we hung up, called every single relative to share the news. On Saturday morning I had 7 messages from different relatives and friends congratulating me. Minutes later my mom called to tell me that she had made reservaions for lunch at the White House in Anaheim to celebrate...
I cannot express in words the humilliation and frustration thaT I felt when at 1:53 on Saturday I received the "ANOTHER APOLIGY" email. I had to  return every single phone call to explain the mistake and, to my great regret, brake my mom's heart. To my request, she canceled the reservation and we ended up eating at Pollo Loco...LOL
I'm sharing this tragic story with all of you guys so that those who think that this is not a big deal realize the magnitude of Boalt's error. My sincere condolences to those who had the misfortune to live something similar. I know there are plenty. Schools have no right to play with people's emotions in this way.

uh, your acceptance is probably legit. the only email that was sent in mistake was the invitation to the people of color event. An email you received before that would be perfectly fine, and the apology emails were sent out to a lot of people, many of whom never received the email in mistake. the 2nd apology clearly states what the subject line of the (only) email sent out by accident was, which was "You Are Cordially Invited…"
Title: Re: My personal experience....
Post by: jeb240 on February 19, 2006, 06:44:54 AM
uh, your acceptance is probably legit. the only email that was sent in mistake was the invitation to the people of color event. An email you received before that would be perfectly fine, and the apology emails were sent out to a lot of people, many of whom never received the email in mistake. the 2nd apology clearly states what the subject line of the (only) email sent out by accident was, which was "You Are Cordially Invited…"

Seconded.

The event for students of color was the email that everyone is talking about, which was not an acceptance email, but just indicated that those who were meant to receive the email had already been accepted.

If you received that plus a different email that was actually an acceptance email, then it's time to make the rounds a third time and tell everyone that, no, EVERYONE ELSE didn't get into Boalt, but you did and dinner reservations at the White House are back on.

Or wait until Tuesday and call Boalt just to be entirely sure.  And make sure that they understand which email you're talking about, as when I called, before I even explained what I was talking about, they told me it was a mistake.  But that does not sound like it's the case for you.

So, I feel like I want to say Congrats!  ;), but I'll hold it until you get verification.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 19, 2006, 02:03:19 PM
So I guess we can let this topic die, but that because while a number of you cautioned me against emailing Berkeley the letter I posted above [which I took down when I wasn't going to send it 'cause of the general response], others of you who I spoke with directly really were in favor of it.  Plus, I really had NOTHING to lose by emailing the guy, since the letter wasn't a crazy rant, but a reasoned argument.

In any case, he responded:

"Dear Jason240,

Thanks for your comments.  The reason why a decision on your application
has taken so long is that your application passed our initial screening
a number of weeks ago and was referred to our faculty admissions
committee for review during its first round of reading.  That committee
did not convene until early February (our faculty and students did not
return from holiday break until January 16).  To make a long story
short, your file is with the Committee now, and a decision should be
rendered by the end of the coming week.  Moreover, you are not alone: 
Some 800 files are currently with the Committee at the moment, and I
anticipate all of those decisions will be out around the same time.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments.  I regret the incident that caused
them.

Sincerely,

Edward Tom"

SO... this leaves some of my questions unanswered, but it demystifies why things take so long -- because things only just got started.

And as for the questions that it does not answer, I'm just going to have to make my peace.  Hopefully the rest of this crew can do the same.  It's not like we can expect them to reveal all of their secrets to us.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: snikrep on February 19, 2006, 02:12:28 PM
Ahhh, thanks for getting that info Jason - I wish they would just publicize this information, it sure would make the process a lot easier.  So it sounds like they are going to do one huge review and then dump an enormous amount of decisions coming up soon, looking forward to getting the final results.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Skeptic on February 19, 2006, 02:27:53 PM
i got the apology letter as well and i didn't even apply!!! i just once inquired about something through email, so obviously they are having some problems with their list of emails
Title: Re: bizarre berkeley emails
Post by: segundo on February 19, 2006, 03:43:17 PM
I really cannot get believe they made such a careless mistake.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 20, 2006, 06:44:22 AM
Congrats, BoalTTT! You made the news.

http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?aid=31929&refer=1&type=2

Here's hoping the AP picks this one up.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: maddhopps on February 20, 2006, 09:34:21 AM
In general, it seems like the top applicants didn't receive the first mis-directed e-mail.  Thus, I believe that non-receivers are safe.  God help the rest of us.

Top Applicants who DID receive the first e-mail, this is your cue to prove my theory wrong!!

Good luck, everyone.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lgirl on February 20, 2006, 09:57:16 AM
Jason - I'm really glad you went with your gut feeling and got a satisfactory response. Good for you! :o)

For some other posters here, I understand you're upset or annoyed or whatever, but it still annoys me when people call very good schools TTTs. It's an ugly term, and ubsurd application of it, like on this thread, is not funny but stinks of immaturity.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: maddhopps on February 20, 2006, 10:03:09 AM
In general, it seems like the top applicants didn't receive the first mis-directed e-mail.  Thus, I believe that non-receivers are safe.  God help the rest of us.

Top Applicants who DID receive the first e-mail, this is your cue to prove my theory wrong!!

Good luck, everyone.

I don't know how you're defining 'Top Applicants' but I am in better places than BoalTTT.  I got all the emails.

Thanks, that's excellent news.  But I'm going to continue to expect the worst now to avoid disappointment later.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 20, 2006, 10:38:29 AM
For some other posters here, I understand you're upset or annoyed or whatever, but it still annoys me when people call very good schools TTTs. It's an ugly term, and ubsurd application of it, like on this thread, is not funny but stinks of immaturity.

Annoying things happen.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 20, 2006, 10:39:33 AM
In general, it seems like the top applicants didn't receive the first mis-directed e-mail.  Thus, I believe that non-receivers are safe.  God help the rest of us.

Top Applicants who DID receive the first e-mail, this is your cue to prove my theory wrong!!

Good luck, everyone.

Actually from this thread it seems to be alphabetical and not by application quality.

A friend of mine with C last name and 175/3.8+ from Yale got the first e-mail.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: ibroadrunr on February 20, 2006, 11:39:03 AM
For some other posters here, I understand you're upset or annoyed or whatever, but it still annoys me when people call very good schools TTTs. It's an ugly term, and ubsurd application of it, like on this thread, is not funny but stinks of immaturity.

Annoying things happen.

Yes, as with these Berkeley emails.  Giant fiasco, still a great school, annoying things happen, get over it.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: ibroadrunr on February 20, 2006, 11:43:43 AM
In general, it seems like the top applicants didn't receive the first mis-directed e-mail.  Thus, I believe that non-receivers are safe.  God help the rest of us.

Actually from this thread it seems to be alphabetical and not by application quality.

Cosigned.  (Again, if anybody'd volunteer contrary info, that'd be dandy.)

What I don't understand...why couldn't Berkeley (better) locate the original recipients to direct the apology emails?  CompSci major here, and I'd love a peek at whatever database software they're using to generate mailings.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 20, 2006, 01:06:25 PM
Yes, as with these Berkeley emails.  Giant fiasco, still a great school, annoying things happen, get over it.

I'm not saying that this e-mail fiasco reduces the quality of academic instruction, or great weather, or similar things that Berkeley has. What I am saying is that this fiasco and its really unprofessional handling is behavior that I would expect to see from a TTT and not from the T14.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jballer on February 20, 2006, 02:50:12 PM
Then withdraw because you are too good for it and potentially open up a spot for someone else. 
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 20, 2006, 08:26:56 PM
The email problem was not the first time you have ever used BoalTTT. 

I used it exactly once before, in the context of yield protect denials, which I think are also squirrely and unbefitting a quality institution.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 20, 2006, 08:40:41 PM
The email problem was not the first time you have ever used BoalTTT. 

I used it exactly once before, in the context of yield protect denials, which I think are also squirrely and unbefitting a quality institution.

Not to add to this in-fighting, but you realize the presumption of "yield protect" denials is so painfully egotistical, right?  While I am sure yield protects happen, I almost feel like the yield protect is mostly a myth that applicants tell themselves to help get to sleep at night.

And the very nature of saying that because a school is third tier it must therefore not have any sense of social grace seems not only unfair, but backwards.  It's the top schools that seem to keep people holding on forever and aren't super interested even in those who get in, while lower schools really make a show of caring.  At the same time, maybe every school only does that for the students they super want and the rest of the students they could care less for.  The point is that of the 10 schools I'm still waiting on for final decisions, 7 of them are the 7 most selective, so go figure...

It's your call to use the term, obviously, but realize it only serves to reify a system that we all at least claim to hate and is just... uncool.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 20, 2006, 09:57:40 PM
Not to add to this in-fighting, but you realize the presumption of "yield protect" denials is so painfully egotistical, right?  While I am sure yield protects happen, I almost feel like the yield protect is mostly a myth that applicants tell themselves to help get to sleep at night.
I think that the use of "yield protect" can be but is not necessarily egotistical, especially when:
-used to describe someone else, e.g. "Check out Chicago's yield protect of this guy."
-the situation described is one in which the supposedly yield-protected individual has clearly gotten into more than one considerably more selective school, and on the basis of "hard factors" rather than "soft factors" that adcoms might interpret differently.

The fact that some schools encourage or even require "Why our school" essays is evidence that yield protection is more than a myth.

And the very nature of saying that because a school is third tier it must therefore not have any sense of social grace seems not only unfair, but backwards.  It's the top schools that seem to keep people holding on forever and aren't super interested even in those who get in, while lower schools really make a show of caring.
First of all, you've reversed my logic. I said that because a school does X, it should be relegated to the third tier. The not-necessarily-true converse is that if a school is in the third tier, it should do X. Actually you made it even stronger by saying "it must do X." This isn't what I was saying.

At the same time, maybe every school only does that for the students they super want and the rest of the students they could care less for.  The point is that of the 10 schools I'm still waiting on for final decisions, 7 of them are the 7 most selective, so go figure...
I think the first sentence makes sense; each school pursues the applicants they want the most. Even less selective schools will be unliekly to actively pursue an applicant that they don't really care about. So this means that given any student's application package of a certain strength, his/her "reach" schools will be less likely to care about him/her while his/her "safeties" will be more likely to offer money, etc.

In terms of the 7 thing, my experience is different. Of the schools I am waiting on for final decision, two are the most selective two, one is a little less selective than schools I've gotten into, and one is considerably less selective than the ones I've gotten into.

In fact, in your own case aren't you also waiting to hear from several schools that are considerably less selective than ones you've already gotten into?

It's your call to use the term, obviously, but realize it only serves to reify a system that we all at least claim to hate and is just... uncool.

What system is that?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: jeb240 on February 21, 2006, 05:09:53 AM
The conceit is there, whether you are applying the term yield protect to your application or to someone else's.  Invoking yield protect is saying, "Yes, I know the school wanted this kid, but the school didn't think the kid would go."  Uhm, maybe the school just didn't want the kid.  We can argue this back and forth, but the fact of the matter is that calling "yield protect" is saying that whoever *should* have gotten in here or there, and we don't know that.

Re: third tier behavior, by saying that if a school does x it should be relegated to the third tier, that is saying that schools in the third tier do x.  Perhaps I misspoke before, but that's the point I wanted to make.  Making implications on the methodology and behaviors of schools based on where they fall in this ranking doesn't really seem fair.  If we're going to rank, someone has to be at the top and someone has to be at the bottom, but that constellation does not necessarily imply at all how these schools might treat people/applicants.

Re: 7, I don't think 3 = several.  I am waiting on final decisions from ten schools.
7: HYSCCN and Berkeley
3: Vanderbilt, Cornell and Brooklyn.
But I was going back on what I said because as I was typing I realized that, yeah, schools will decide which students mean a great deal to them and which ones mean less, so perhaps there's no reason to this rhyme.

Re: the system, I mean the rankings system.  This whole ranking system (and I do not claim to be free of its power) is this massive negative credentialing that seems just grossly unfair.  If all of the schools that we had to choose from were HYSCCN and they were broken up into tiers 1, 2 and 3 by the most influential ranking publication around, but the schools were exactly the same as they are now (save for the fact that clearly all of the faculty would only have come from those 6 schools), would the term TTT still be used?  I feel like people would use it, just so they could say something.  Because being at the bottom = bad, no matter what the bottom is actually composed of, which is such limited thinking.

We denounce the rankings as arbitrary, but the "most qualified" students apply to the "best" schools.  We say that schools should look at more than numbers, but when a 4.0/173 gets waitlisted/deferred or even rejected by Michigan, we call that a "yield protect," and maybe it was a yield protect, yet the only evidence used in support of that argument are the applicant's numbers, and we are upset... how dare Michigan turn down an applicant with such great numbers, even though Michigan may have picked up on the fact that he or she is a total feminine hygiene product bag from the application?  And given that students who do not necessarily write the "Why This School" essays still manage to get into those schools, I would argue that the "proof" of such essays being required as indicative of yield protecting is weak at best.

But really, there is no point in this argument.  All anyone is really saying is that the term TTT is immature and annoying, which you seemed to agree with when you said "Annoying things happen" or whatever it was that you said.  Which I guess means we're all on the same page, and you can continue to do whatever the hell you damn well please.  It is the internet, after all.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lgirl on February 21, 2006, 07:58:13 AM
Jason, I think that is incredibly well articulated and absolutely true. Thank you for saying it. Kudos to you.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 21, 2006, 08:06:07 AM
Setting aside the question of the maturity of the term TTT, I think it's legitimate to use the term "yield protect."

For one thing, conceit is by definition an overestimtion of one's own worth or ability, so it can't exist in a statement that simply gives a high evaluation to someone else's worth or ability.

And I think we can often say that someone "should" have gotten in here or there. Not with 100% certainty (Did he write on his why Penn essay "I don't want to go to Penn, I just want to collect acceptances"?), but with something like 80% certainty. For example, in most cases I think that a student who got into all three of HYS deserved get into Mich or Penn. If she only got into Y and not HS, then I would not say that she necesarily deserved to get into Mich or Penn, because Y might have seen something that the other schools weren't interested in. Similarly, I would often say that a student who got into Mich, Penn, and Cornell definitely deserved to get into Florida Coastal.

Basically, when multiple adcoms at schools with high standards agree that a student has excellent qualifications and would make a great lawyer, a considerably less selective school's adcom should be able to see the same.

Now, I can see that in some cases, some adcoms might legitimately not be interested in intelligent students who do well in class and are actively involved outside the classroom: for example, I could see Liberty Univeresity rejecting a 3.9/178 who is an atheist and wrote a PS on the joys of sodomy.

That said, I think there are numerous circumstances were a rejection at a less selective school, viewed in light of multiple acceptances at considerably more selectives schools, can be pretty strong evidence that the student is in fact academically qualified but the less selective school did not think he/she would attend.

I also certainly don't claim to hate the rankings system. I think it's useful for applicants to have the at-a-glance comparison that US News offers. I certainly don't think that the ranking say everything or that they should be the only factor students consider. I don't think that the #12 school is going to necessarily be a better choice for a particular student than the #13 school. However, I think it is often very likely that the #12 or 13 schools will be better choices for a particular student than the #50 or #60 schools, if the student considers US News's factors (student to faculty ratio, spending per student, selectivity) important to his/her experience at a school.
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Lgirl on February 21, 2006, 08:23:06 AM
You say that rankings are widely useful, comparing top 14 and top 50, yet you say that the schools to which you've been admitted are considerably more selective than those/one from which you have yet to hear - and they're all in the top 14. And selectivity is what the rankings are about for the most part.

I absolutely disagree that if a 'better' school's adcom could see the merits of an application, lower schools' adcom should be able to see the same. Schools have very different personalities and look for different people *in general* and different people at different parts of the cycle. We more or less know Michigan looks for specific sorts of individuals to 'complete' its class, so if ithas lots of economists it might look for a Spanish major or whatever. Boalt cares massively about public service whereas Columbia on the whole probably cares less and places emphasis on other things. We all want to be seen as individuals in this cycle, yet critique schools for seeing us as such by suggesting that certain numbers should make us auto-admits. Hypocritical.

As for conceit not being applicable to the statement that a school's yield protecting by not admitting an individual (because that individual isn't you) I disagree again. Presuming to know better than an admissions committee with less information than they have is overestimation of one's own worth or ability if ever I saw it. 
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 21, 2006, 09:11:12 AM
You say that rankings are widely useful, comparing top 14 and top 50, yet you say that the schools to which you've been admitted are considerably more selective than those/one from which you have yet to hear - and they're all in the top 14. And selectivity is what the rankings are about for the most part.
Actually, selectivity is only a small % of the ranking formula.
I said that in determining how good a school is for a particular student, only large differences in ranking are informative while small differences in ranking or not.

However, in terms of seeing how selective schools are, since US news provides the exact numbers I think their data is extremely useful for seeing how selective specific schools are in comparison to each other. My point was that just because a school is more selective does not mean that it will be a better educational experience for a given student, just that it will be harder for most students to get into.

I absolutely disagree that if a 'better' school's adcom could see the merits of an application, lower schools' adcom should be able to see the same. Schools have very different personalities and look for different people *in general* and different people at different parts of the cycle.
I already said in my original post that there are specific circumstances under which schools might legitimately be looking for different things. But I think there are also some things that most schools would be impressed by, e.g. good grades, high scores, glowing recs, and excellent writing.

We all want to be seen as individuals in this cycle, yet critique schools for seeing us as such by suggesting that certain numbers should make us auto-admits. Hypocritical.
No. What we WANT to happen and what we THINK actually happens are two different things. Perhaps we would all want to be seen as individuals with numbers not mattering any more than personality and other characteristics, but I  think we know that LS admissions is to a great extent a numbers game, though certainly other factors also matter. We don't WANT it to be true, but we know that it is.

As for conceit not being applicable to the statement that a school's yield protecting by not admitting an individual (because that individual isn't you) I disagree again. Presuming to know better than an admissions committee with less information than they have is overestimation of one's own worth or ability if ever I saw it. 
You know less about who I am than I do, yet you judge me. Aren't you conceited, based on your own argument?
Title: Re: Umm, Boalt Email?
Post by: SFnative on February 21, 2006, 09:48:35 AM
You say that rankings are widely useful, comparing top 14 and top 50, yet you say that the schools to which you've been admitted are considerably more selective than those/one from which you have yet to hear - and they're all in the top 14. And selectivity is what the rankings are about for the most part.
Actually, selectivity is only a small % of the ranking formula.
I said that in determining how good a school is for a particular student, only large differences in ranking are informative while small differences in ranking or not.

However, in terms of seeing how selective schools are, since US news provides the exact numbers I think their data is extremely useful for seeing how selective specific schools are in comparison to each other. My point was that just because a school is more selective does not mean that it will be a better educational experience for a given student, just that it will be harder for most students to get into.

I absolutely disagree that if a 'better' school's adcom could see the merits of an application, lower schools' adcom should be able to see the same. Schools have very different personalities and look for different people *in general* and different people at different parts of the cycle.
I already said in my original post that there are specific circumstances under which schools might legitimately be looking for different things. But I think there are also some things that most schools would be impressed by, e.g. good grades, high scores, glowing recs, and excellent writing.

We all want to be seen as individuals in this cycle, yet critique schools for seeing us as such by suggesting that certain numbers should make us auto-admits. Hypocritical.
No. What we WANT to happen and what we THINK actually happens are two different things. Perhaps we would all want to be seen as individuals with numbers not mattering any more than personality and other characteristics, but I  think we know that LS admissions is to a great extent a numbers game, though certainly other factors also matter. We don't WANT it to be true, but we know that it is.

As for conceit not being applicable to the statement that a school's yield protecting by not admitting an individual (because that individual isn't you) I disagree again. Presuming to know better than an admissions committee with less information than they have is overestimation of one's own worth or ability if ever I saw it. 
You know less about who I am than I do, yet you judge me. Aren't you conceited, based on your own argument?

I think this debate can be futile - i think we all realize that both numbers and individuality are important to LS admission committees. The emphasis differ across schools and contexts. In general, you would be organized by numbers. With that said, if HYS or many of the tops schools want to compose a class with the highest numbers and solid writing skills, they can do but they dont.

Is there an element of yield protection in the process? maybe. Law schools have the right to try and recruit students who want to be there. I do think law schools have the right to exercise their autonomy in the admission process in that respect.

I read on the UMich website for instance that their biggest overlap of acceptance every year is with Harvard. They can simply try to increase their yield and identify the bulk of these acceptances and deny the ones likely to get into Harvard..but they dont....so the picture is very nuanced and both dynamics exist. We can speculate about their motives but we dont truly know. I think both of you are guessing but there is no need to get upset over it. It can be yield protection and it can be a more genuine consideration of the application. There is no need to throw around 'conceit' on both sides.