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Title: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Vannabunny on February 10, 2006, 10:55:57 AM
I do identify with it culturally, and have somewhat strong ties to it through both sides of the family, but genetically I am only 1/4 NA. Should I still mark it? I did on my UG stuff. 
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Pirate Pete on February 10, 2006, 11:04:16 AM
Call the schools that you are applying to anonymously and ask them. (I'm going to guess that 1/4 is sufficient to qualify as Native American, especially since you included that information on your undergraduate applications)>
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: jorge on February 10, 2006, 12:36:56 PM
I think 1/4 qualifies you for a lot of the NA scholarships that are out and about. Calling's not a bad idea. Maybe you can bargain for 1/4 of the supposed LSAT boost.  ;)
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: wakpala27 on February 11, 2006, 04:08:54 PM
You could certainly use it for your apps., but to get funds a person needs to have proof, generally what is called status card.  Status cards, as far as I know, are obtained via the tribe one claims and only after a blood linkage has been established.  The status card has an ID # that is used, at least by the  federal government, to determine your eligibility. 
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Denny Crane on February 12, 2006, 05:26:39 AM
wakpala is correct about the status cards.  Some undergrad (and I suspect some law schools) require a status card as proof of your affiliation with a recognized native american tribe.  Claiming NA status without a status card can cause problems if law schools ask you to present one.  Definitely check with every law school you're applying to.  Also, you may want to see if you can get a status card from the tribe you are culturally affiliated with.  I'm surprised that, if you really are active in it, that they haven't presented you with one yet. 
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: toomuchhype on March 30, 2006, 10:27:40 AM
My gf is at least 1/8 Cherokee, but her immediate family has never filed nor legally claimed NA status.  How hard is it to get a status card if she wants one?  Shes think of applying to some grad schools in the next fall.  She doesnt participate in the cultural stuff, and she isnt interested in getting scholarship money out of being NA either.  She merely wouldnt mind to get the extra boost that being a NA will afford her.  (She just wants to play the admissions game the best she can.)
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: DJ Shadowolf on March 30, 2006, 11:43:07 AM
I been looking into this subject. Usually on an application they would ask what tribe official affliation you are with? Now most tribes will not accept under 50% nor if your ancestors did not sign any of the treaties. Since you are Cherokee it depends on where your ancestors were from the the Southern Cherokee will accept you as tribal member, but the Southern Cherokee Nation is accepted officially by the US Government because they do not have treaty will goverment. I all really depends on how anal the ADCOMM is with their accepted defination.

In my case I cannot claim because my ancestors did not sign any treaties and they rebelled again the trail of tears by hiding in arkansas on a plantation.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: toomuchhype on March 30, 2006, 06:35:14 PM
Im not sure wish one she is blood linked to, but its whichever one is in NC prolly.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: toomuchhype on April 01, 2006, 10:03:32 AM
I'm part Native American... enough to claim it... but I don't.  I literally have the papers to authenticate that claim... but I never really dealt with any issues related to that part of my ancestory.  Ironically enough...  of all my random ethnicities (black, german, puerto rican, native american), I feel the greatest affinity for native american culture... but I didn't grow up on a reservation.. I didn't hang with the tribe... so I didn't check it.

Well, it appears on LSN that you did check some sort of URM. I'm not saying thats solely why you got into all of those schools, but I doubt it hurt your chances. 

My gf merely wants to be able to go to grad school where ill be going to law school (or at least nearby).  If checking a box will help that materialize, then great.  If its likely she'll catch a bunch of *&^% for it if she can only come up with claiming 1/8, then shell decide against it.  She doesnt want money or any financial support that may come her way b/c of her bloodline (shes my female dog... well, dont tell her that), but just wants to have the best possible chance to stay in the vacinity ill be.

Thanks for the help

Oh and I know some ppl are touchy about ppl who look white and predominately identify as white trying to claim a urm status.  I doubt want to offend you and my apologies if I do. 
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: toomuchhype on April 06, 2006, 08:32:56 AM
In the above post, it seemed as though your were suggesting that I somehow 'wrongly' claimed URM status.  In addition to being native american, I'm also black, puerto rican, and german.  Whenever race was an issue, I was treated as 'black'....  except when I was living in San Diego right after 9/11... then everyone was worried that I was a muslim of unknown ethnicity.  Also, I grew up poor.  So, the terms 'underrepresented minority" or "disadvantaged" would apply.   

I've also been very blunt about the role that race played in some of my acceptances.  You think you're making any comment that hasn't already been made?  Or that you're informing me of a fact that I have yet to consider?  No.  Of course not.  You just felt compelled to point that out.... for what reason?  Like I didn't already know... and like dozens of people on this website can't confirm that I've been entirely blunt about the situation?     

So there you go.  Thanks for playing.   

I think we just had a misunderstanding.  From your earlier posts, I gathered that while technically you might qualify as urm, you have not had an urm upbringing.  No reason to ger all hot about it.  My gf was the first one in her family to finish college (her dad went one year on a football scholarship) and most of her family is poor.  While she might not appear urm while out in public, I think her circumstances qualify her as urm just as much as the obviously black, hispanic, asian, et al ppl do who have wealthy parents.

Anyways, what I wrote earlier wasnt to offend you.  I tried to express that idea, but I guess it didnt come through.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Reach on April 29, 2006, 09:36:05 AM
I always find these kinds of topics funny.  I encourage a different set of criteria for what one claims or doesn't claim:  do you consider yourself to be a Native American?  Have you had interactions with the culture or have you experienced discrimination because of your race?  If either of those are "yes," then I think it is more than reasonable to mark it on an application. 

As far as tribal enrollment is concerned, it is a crock of *&^% how it works and is not really indicative of what a person is or is not.  Trust me, I have personal experience with this.  Tribal enrollment can be absolutely dependent upon treaties signed over a hundred years ago, and many tribes have set up exclusionary policies to keep a stranglehold on federal money and casino revenues...it is entirely possible to be 100% Native American but of various tribal blood quanta and be unenrollable in any tribe.  Would that mean a person should not or could not claim Native American simply because the federal government's arbitrary tribal  recognition system?  Hell no.

Put down whatever you feel you are and, if asked about it, explain clearly how and why you are, regardless of enrollment or lack thereof, a Native American.  Remember people, we are not pieces of paper, we are flesh and blood.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: LawSchoolHopeful2009 on April 30, 2006, 08:18:02 PM
I know for a couple of applications I've seen (particularly for the school I'm attending), they ask for your "predominant ethnic background" because they know people will be going out having those blood tests that show they are 1/25 hispanic after which they'll take full advantage by marking that down as their ethnicity. Following that logic, 1/4 native american would not be enough to for you to mark that down on your applications. For people in this situation, I think you should ask yourself a simple question, "Does my appearance and/or my ethnicity make me an easy target for racism?" if the answer is no, well you probably wouldn't qualify for URM status. JMHO.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: ->Soon on May 03, 2006, 12:46:32 PM
the research ive done says you need to be 1/4.  plus recognized by a tribe.

my Great grandmother was full blooded black foot, so im only 1/8

my dad could get all these freebies, i get squat!!!
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: coquita on May 08, 2006, 11:29:34 PM
I am 50% native american and my great grandfather was the chief of our tribe. but alas that didn't help me get accepted. i say check it...but no matter what if you don't apply early and don't have a diversity statement and good stats, the native american claim  isn't going to help much.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Redlaw on June 09, 2006, 08:29:45 PM
Now let me tell you a little secret...YOU ALL ARE NOT NATIVE AMERICANS. 1/8, 1/4, or any amount of blood that is not FULL, does make you a Native to the Turtle Island!!! And please using my heritage as a means to get "freebies"
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: ->Soon on June 09, 2006, 08:33:24 PM
Now let me tell you a little secret...YOU ALL ARE NOT NATIVE AMERICANS. 1/8, 1/4, or any amount of blood that is not FULL, does make you a Native to the Turtle Island!!! And please using my heritage as a means to get "freebies"

id disagree with that.

50, or 75% is pretty close
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Reach on June 10, 2006, 12:50:13 PM
Now let me tell you a little secret...YOU ALL ARE NOT NATIVE AMERICANS. 1/8, 1/4, or any amount of blood that is not FULL, does make you a Native to the Turtle Island!!! And please using my heritage as a means to get "freebies"
I wish I had seen this post before I gave you the benefit of the doubt in another thread.  Good luck with your life.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Reach on June 10, 2006, 03:15:50 PM
Redlaw...no harm done.  I was a bit hasty.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: randylf on October 04, 2006, 10:52:58 PM
qualifying as a native american for the purposes of applying to law school does not depend on blood quantum or degree of indian blood.  in fact, each tribe has their own guidelines for determining how much blood quantum is necessary in order to make a person a member of that particular tribe.  so for some tribes there blood quantum is more strict with 1/4 required to be enrolled in the tribe and some are less so, only requiring proof of descendency as with the Cherokee.  so it is really not a question of how much indian blood you have that makes a person legally indian, but actually whether or not that person is legally enrolled in a particular tribe with the appropriate documents to support his/her native american identity.  so to answer the question, you cannot check the box as native american because you are not legally native american, regardless of your blood quantum.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: I can has lauskul! on August 31, 2007, 09:38:35 PM
Now let me tell you a little secret...YOU ALL ARE NOT NATIVE AMERICANS. 1/8, 1/4, or any amount of blood that is not FULL, does make you a Native to the Turtle Island!!! And please using my heritage as a means to get "freebies"

Lighten up, Francis.

Now let me tell YOU a little secret...IT'S NOT "YOUR" EFFIN' HERITAGE.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: in my eyes on September 05, 2007, 07:51:23 AM
All schools will tell you to identify yourself however you wish. No documentation is needed.

Be honest with yourself. If you truely feel you identify with hispanic or NA roots then check the box. No one is going to put you through a DNA test to prove it.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: makalika on February 04, 2008, 05:09:16 PM
Not that this radically differs from many of the previous posts, but its a self identification question.   There's no official test for this, but for those with ethics I think the test is fairly simple as to what you should select with good conscience. Its a common question to be asked what your background is.  If your normal answer is "Native American/whatever tribe" then obviously you self identify and should select it.  If you don't then the answer is obvious. 

Also, you should note that the amount of Native Americans in law school, particularly T14 law schools is really small.  I hear Yale admitted their first NA student in 3 years for the class of 2010 (I tried to back that stat up with a source, but I cant find their profile by ethnicity online, if this is an understatement I feel confident that at least the number is very low).  I was the only one in my entering class at CLS.  I got a list of the Columbia NA admits for 2011 today, not a long list.  It's not for lack of want of NA students by the schools, but the supply of NA students willing to apply with the grades/LSAT is low. 

The point is, for those who would lie, your going to be contacted by the other NA students at that school. You're not going to check that box and never hear about it again.   You're going to be approached by your NALSA (Native American Law Student Association) chapter reps.  You're going to be approached when its time to recruit NALSA moot court teammates.  It would be really awkward if you turn out to be lieing, which will probably come up at some point unless you come up with some detailed lie and keep it up for 3 years.  I've never encountered someone who  lied about that, but if it happened, I think that would be awkward for that person.  You don't want to tarnish your reputation.  So basically, use good judgment. 

Hope this is helpful.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: SabrinaK on February 23, 2008, 07:25:29 AM
In Michigan, if you are at least 1/4 NA and can prove it, they pay tuition for any level of post-high school educaton at a public institution (and some private ones).  Just throwing it out there since it's a hard number I know for a fact.  No clue on if it's the same just for identification purposes.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Rainmaker614 on September 04, 2008, 02:29:25 PM
I have done hours of research on this topic (I am 1/8th myself and do not have hard "proof" like a tribal card) and called about 15 schools I plan to apply to in order to know if I am constituted as a Native American (I do self identify). EVERY SINGLE ONE including some T14 schools said it is solely up to me whether I identify or not. The ones that ask for a tribal identification number, tribal card, etc. told me that this information is ONLY if you are applying for a tuition waiver or aid for being this minority specifically. YOU DO NOT need to "prove" your ancestry to anyone (they almost laughed at me about this, seriously a few thought I was crazy for proposing it). When I told them that I was only 1/8th genetically, they said (literally) "1/8th? Are you kidding me? You would most likely be going to school for free if you do end up being able to prove it" - So don't believe people on here who say you are not Native American if you are not at least half or a quarter or whatever.... it is all about whether or not you identify and THATS IT! Hope this helps many people that do belong to this heritage.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on September 14, 2008, 12:49:52 PM
In the above post, it seemed as though your were suggesting that I somehow 'wrongly' claimed URM status.  In addition to being native american, I'm also black, puerto rican, and german.  Whenever race was an issue, I was treated as 'black'....  except when I was living in San Diego right after 9/11... then everyone was worried that I was a muslim of unknown ethnicity.  Also, I grew up poor.  So, the terms 'underrepresented minority" or "disadvantaged" would apply.   

I've also been very blunt about the role that race played in some of my acceptances.  You think you're making any comment that hasn't already been made?  Or that you're informing me of a fact that I have yet to consider?  No.  Of course not.  You just felt compelled to point that out.... for what reason?  Like I didn't already know... and like dozens of people on this website can't confirm that I've been entirely blunt about the situation?     

So there you go.  Thanks for playing.   

I think we just had a misunderstanding.  From your earlier posts, I gathered that while technically you might qualify as urm, you have not had an urm upbringing.  No reason to ger all hot about it.  My gf was the first one in her family to finish college (her dad went one year on a football scholarship) and most of her family is poor.  While she might not appear urm while out in public, I think her circumstances qualify her as urm just as much as the obviously black, hispanic, asian, et al ppl do who have wealthy parents.

Actually, this is incorrect.  Her circumstances clearly establish her as disadvantaged, but not as URM.  That's the whole problem with AA as currently practiced, of course -- being URM is assumed to be an adequate proxy for being disadvantaged when it's clearly not. 

And being black and in the same income bracket as another white is assumed to be an adequate proxy for having all the same advantages that accrue to the white family (and none of the disadvantages that plague blacks and other urms)....when it's clearly not.   ::) 

::bailing out of this thread before another useless affirmative action debate begins again::
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: mbw on September 14, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
In the above post, it seemed as though your were suggesting that I somehow 'wrongly' claimed URM status.  In addition to being native american, I'm also black, puerto rican, and german.  Whenever race was an issue, I was treated as 'black'....  except when I was living in San Diego right after 9/11... then everyone was worried that I was a muslim of unknown ethnicity.  Also, I grew up poor.  So, the terms 'underrepresented minority" or "disadvantaged" would apply.   

I've also been very blunt about the role that race played in some of my acceptances.  You think you're making any comment that hasn't already been made?  Or that you're informing me of a fact that I have yet to consider?  No.  Of course not.  You just felt compelled to point that out.... for what reason?  Like I didn't already know... and like dozens of people on this website can't confirm that I've been entirely blunt about the situation?     

So there you go.  Thanks for playing.   

I think we just had a misunderstanding.  From your earlier posts, I gathered that while technically you might qualify as urm, you have not had an urm upbringing.  No reason to ger all hot about it.  My gf was the first one in her family to finish college (her dad went one year on a football scholarship) and most of her family is poor.  While she might not appear urm while out in public, I think her circumstances qualify her as urm just as much as the obviously black, hispanic, asian, et al ppl do who have wealthy parents.

Actually, this is incorrect.  Her circumstances clearly establish her as disadvantaged, but not as URM.  That's the whole problem with AA as currently practiced, of course -- being URM is assumed to be an adequate proxy for being disadvantaged when it's clearly not. 

And being black and in the same income bracket as another white is assumed to be an adequate proxy for having all the same advantages that accrue to the white family (and none of the disadvantages that plague blacks and other urms)....when it's clearly not.   ::) 



This is true.  Rich blacks don't have enough to eat.  They don't have adequate clothing and shelter.  They can't afford private schools and tutors.  All these things are denied them because of the color of their skin. 

Not.

Apparently, the only people more self-serving and out of touch than rich whites are (some) rich minorities.

Yes, but Lindbergh, Grutter determined that the point of URMness was that, well, you guys just f-ing don't get it, so it's to the benefit of all that we actually sit in class and rub it in your face.  Should we once again go over Oliphant?  Ex Parte Crow Dog?  Cobell?  Did you learn anything, and do you think, in any way, shape or form, that you could argue for tribes to have jurisdiction over major crimes in Indian Country?   Well, until you can, the paltry number of acculturated Indians (maybe 50% of the 400 +/- who apply every year) make up the overwhelming number of potential lawyers who actually give a hoot,

So when do we ever talk about the realities of URMness, and not the sham you tend to perpetuate, Lindy?   

Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: mbw on September 15, 2008, 06:20:45 AM

This is true.  Rich blacks don't have enough to eat.  They don't have adequate clothing and shelter.  They can't afford private schools and tutors.  All these things are denied them because of the color of their skin. 

Not.

Apparently, the only people more self-serving and out of touch than rich whites are (some) rich minorities.

Yes, but Lindbergh, Grutter determined that the point of URMness was that, well, you guys just f-ing don't get it, so it's to the benefit of all that we actually sit in class and rub it in your face. 

If that's your (obviously incorrect) reading of Grutter, than that's yet another reason why it was clearly a mistaken decision.  Fortunately, later courts will overrule it, just as Dred Scott (and other racist decisions) were eventually overruled by wiser heads.

The only people who don't get it are the mindless white, rich libs, and the minorities who buy into this BS victimology.  Fortunately, more and more minorities are realizing this is a crock of BS, and are turning away from it.

I'm sure your classmates will truly benefit from your mindless prattlings once you start school, though.  Thank god the clueless poor and working-class whites who got in on their own merits will have you to help them understand how hard it is to have a great-grandmother who was part oglala.

P.S.:  I'm far more URM than you'll ever be, and yet I don't whine about it, or hold myself up as someone who can somehow enlighten others in LS simply by virtue of my ethnicity.  Maybe you could work on that.

Yawn.  I don't have a drop of Oglala in me, not that I know of.  Do you know something that I don't, or are you just making the general assumption that anyone who posts on LSD as NDN must not actually be NDN?  And if so, why would you make that assumption?  (The cynical part of me hopes it's not because you don't believe NDNs actually belong in US law schools.  But you really do have a special place in your anger for us, as indicated from the frequency of your posts on this topic.)

Should we once again go over Oliphant?  Ex Parte Crow Dog?  Cobell? 

Are these the animals in your local petting zoo?


Did you learn anything, and do you think, in any way, shape or form, that you could argue for tribes to have jurisdiction over major crimes in Indian Country?   

Why would I want do?  Don't they deserve the same advanced system of justice present everywhere else?

That's kind of the point, neh?  We don't have it, despite the flowery words of Rehnquist, Ginsburg et al.

Well, until you can, the paltry number of acculturated Indians (maybe 50% of the 400 +/- who apply every year) make up the overwhelming number of potential lawyers who actually give a hoot,

So when do we ever talk about the realities of URMness, and not the sham you tend to perpetuate, Lindy?   


One could argue that you're the only one perpetuating a sham here -- perhaps pretending to be a "native american", and to care about native americans, when all you really want to do is get into the best law school possible.  (All I'm doing is pointing out the realities of AA, and why it doesn't make sense, even though I supposedly "benefit" from a system that holds certain groups to lower standards.)

The sad thing is, you're bright enough to get in on your own merits, and yet you buy into (and support) a system that perpetuates negative stereotypes, perpetuates ethnic divisions, perpetuates racism, and in the end will only stigmatize your own achievements, and limit your ability to succeed. 

The whole thing, honestly, makes me sick, as does your apparent short-sighted willingess to accomodate it.  It should have the same effect on anyone else who truly believes in equality of opportunity, and a race-blind, merit-based system of achievement and education.

I again hope this helps.

P.S.:  You really think native americans are best off self-segregating on reservations?  Examine the data.  This doesn't appear to be the case.

P.S.:  You really think native americans are best off self-segregating on reservations?  Examine the data.  This doesn't appear to be the case.


I believe people have a right to live in their own nations, with their own culture, laws, traditions, language, etc.  Are you in favor of getting rid of all national boundaries, Lindy - of having a One World government?  It may be a noble goal, but not one I think we'll soon see.  Thus, in the meantime, I support respecting national boundaries and the identities contained within.

And I'm LOLing at your rants on my purported lack of NDNness - if only I'd had the foresight of knowing all my actions for the past 44 years were solely to get me into a highly ranked (by a ranking system that didn't even exist when I was born) law school.  Heck, if I was that psychic, I would have developed the PC - or even Post-Its.  ;D
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: naturallybeyoutiful on September 15, 2008, 08:45:36 PM
P.S.:  There no such thing as "institutionalized racism,"

Oh, that we could all have the privilege of living as if this were true.

I honestly have no time (or energy) to discuss this with you. My experience with your posts over the past year or so is that a constructive dialogue is not really possible on the AA issue until we can nail down some of the basics.  My only hope is that one day you will break outside of whatever world you live that allows you to turn a blind eye to the historical and contemporary obstacles set before members of certain classes so that you can talk --and I mean, really talk and relate--to those who have lived and continue to live the experiences that you don't seem to believe exist.  In the meantime, see if your law school offers a course or two that can at least help you begin to frame the issues and the larger macro/structural forces that have always been at play in this nation. 
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: LawDog3 on January 13, 2009, 10:17:00 PM
..."There's no such thing as institutional racism"? How ig...?! What do you call a penal system that imposes disparate sentences for the use or distribution of "Crack" Cocaine (favored by ethnic minorities because, 'Caine, in its altered form is much cheaper to produce and, thus, purchase), and the use or distribution of the powder form of the drug, heavily favored by whites? Sentencing disparaties are the easiest example of "institutional racism", but there are many more...from redlining to predatory lending practices (eg. "payday loans"), from discipline in schools to the use of "'standardized' exams" that have been proven to be anything but standard..not to mention the fact that Black and Hispanic men who kill are three times as likely to receive the death penalty.

Institutional racism, as described in the above-cited examples is not fiction cooked up by well-meaning white libs, but a fact of American life substantiated by real statistics. 



Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: mbw on June 29, 2009, 11:57:07 AM
Not only is the above post merely spam (embedded links) but it's incorrect.  You do not have to a member of a FRIT - you can also be a member of a non-FRIT tribe, or you can be associated with either, but not enrolled for various reasons.

What an idiot.  :P
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: new2law on June 30, 2009, 08:12:27 PM
I know that to get Native rights the tribes make you take a DNA test, but for schools I think multi racial people can pick either box they want. Remember untill just a few decades ago 1/8 black was black for legal reasons with the "seperate but equal" system. You are twice that much of your seond race. I'd say if you look dark with high cheek bones and thick hair you'll not get messed with too much. Just dont be one of those guys who's whitter than bleached paper and bragging about his nonwhite heritage. I see people doing that, it pisses everyone off.(especially if you do it on a casino) I am pretty sure that its your choice though since I have known mixed race people who mark either or as they chose.


I do identify with it culturally, and have somewhat strong ties to it through both sides of the family, but genetically I am only 1/4 NA. Should I still mark it? I did on my UG stuff. 
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: mbw on July 01, 2009, 07:39:59 AM
I know that to get Native rights the tribes make you take a DNA test, but for schools I think multi racial people can pick either box they want. Remember untill just a few decades ago 1/8 black was black for legal reasons with the "seperate but equal" system. You are twice that much of your seond race. I'd say if you look dark with high cheek bones and thick hair you'll not get messed with too much. Just dont be one of those guys who's whitter than bleached paper and bragging about his nonwhite heritage. I see people doing that, it pisses everyone off.(especially if you do it on a casino) I am pretty sure that its your choice though since I have known mixed race people who mark either or as they chose.

You have absolutely no f*cking clue as to what you're talking about.  Please, STOP providing false and misleading information.  Just STOP.  You're becoming a menace.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Thistle on July 01, 2009, 08:20:34 AM
lol
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: ndnlawdc on July 01, 2009, 08:26:26 AM
The only thing I can do at this thread is to LOL. It's that or cry.

My advice for anyone reading: Listen to MBW.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: ndnlawdc on July 01, 2009, 08:37:00 AM
I'm waiting patiently for JD2013's appeal to authority by claiming his great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess.

If he does that I'll personally kick his ass.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 01, 2009, 08:42:18 AM
I'm waiting patiently for JD2013's appeal to authority by claiming his great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess.

I <3 everything about this post.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: new2law on July 01, 2009, 09:59:02 AM
How ignorant do you have to be not to know this stuff? Look, I'm white as wonderbread but my wife and daughter(as I've mentioned before) have color due to their native hertiage. We looked into American Indian rights, thats how I know how that works. As for the 1/8th black thing, yeah dude they had a think on the history channel about segregation in the south and how 1/8th black kids got sent home called "n-word" by their teacher and classmates untill a court ruling said that "octo's" could be legally considered white and go to southern schools. If your too ignorant to believe that there was segregation and that it called itself "sepreate but equal" then phuck you too. Being offended dosnt change history.


I know that to get Native rights the tribes make you take a DNA test, but for schools I think multi racial people can pick either box they want. Remember untill just a few decades ago 1/8 black was black for legal reasons with the "seperate but equal" system. You are twice that much of your seond race. I'd say if you look dark with high cheek bones and thick hair you'll not get messed with too much. Just dont be one of those guys who's whitter than bleached paper and bragging about his nonwhite heritage. I see people doing that, it pisses everyone off.(especially if you do it on a casino) I am pretty sure that its your choice though since I have known mixed race people who mark either or as they chose.

You have absolutely no f*cking clue as to what you're talking about.  Please, STOP providing false and misleading information.  Just STOP.  You're becoming a menace.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: ndnlawdc on July 01, 2009, 10:02:13 AM
How ignorant do you have to be not to know this stuff? Look, I'm white as wonderbread but my wife and daughter(as I've mentioned before) have color due to their native hertiage. We looked into American Indian rights, thats how I know how that works. As for the 1/8th black thing, yeah dude they had a think on the history channel about segregation in the south and how 1/8th black kids got sent home called "n-word" by their teacher and classmates untill a court ruling said that "octo's" could be legally considered white and go to southern schools. If your too ignorant to believe that there was segregation and that it called itself "sepreate but equal" then phuck you too. Being offended dosnt change history.

Hilarious. WTF does "have color" mean? And "looking into" Native rights is no substitute for living and doing it every single day.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: Jamie Stringer on July 01, 2009, 10:02:24 AM
JD2013, you're the greatest flame alt of this cycle.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: non parata est on July 01, 2009, 10:03:24 AM
Yeah MBW, stop denying that people of color were treated unfairly in the past!
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: new2law on July 01, 2009, 10:07:33 AM
How am I denying that a-hole? They called it "seperate but equal" thats what they called it. It dosnt mean they weren't dicks, but thats what they called it.


Yeah MBW, stop denying that people of color were treated unfairly in the past!
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: non parata est on July 01, 2009, 10:09:41 AM
How am I denying that a-hole?

You're not MBW... a-hole.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: mbw on July 01, 2009, 10:14:41 AM
How ignorant do you have to be not to know this stuff? Look, I'm white as wonderbread but my wife and daughter(as I've mentioned before) have color due to their native hertiage. We looked into American Indian rights, thats how I know how that works.


You are 100% wrong.  Not a single US tribe uses DNA for determining citizenship.  A number of tribes use BQ, others use mere lineage, but there is no single criterion for all 500+ tribes.  Tribes determine their membership.  HOWEVER, only a few schools ask for membership status, and some others ask for "association", as there are high BQ NDNs who are not "enrolled" (some have been "disenrolled" due to tribal politics, see Pechanga.)

As I said, please STOP spreading misinformation, or actually point to a tribe/nation which uses DNA for citizenship purposes.

Note:  please, think about it logically - DNA testing is not specific enough to distinguish tribal identity.  And just because one may have alleles and the like which point to a 12K break with Asian populations does not indicate whether one is a Cherokee or an Abenaki.
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: mbw on July 01, 2009, 10:24:56 AM
I'm waiting patiently for JD2013's appeal to authority by claiming his great-grandmother was a Cherokee princess.

If he does that I'll personally kick his ass.

Hey, the PS's great-grandmother was a Cherokee... er, oh, well, just a Cherokee.  :-\

ETA:  Btw, Tsalagi, was the name on the Dawes Roll of your ancestor(s) the same as your current surname?  Ironically, the PS's ancestors had MY surname. ;).
Title: Re: How much Native American must you be to mark it on apps?
Post by: ndnlawdc on July 01, 2009, 11:16:39 AM
Hey, the PS's great-grandmother was a Cherokee... er, oh, well, just a Cherokee.  :-\

ETA:  Btw, Tsalagi, was the name on the Dawes Roll of your ancestor(s) the same as your current surname?  Ironically, the PS's ancestors had MY surname. ;).

Yes. My great-grandfather. Didn't speak a word of English until he was over 20 years old, but was apparently 1/16.  ???