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Title: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Oski03 on January 27, 2006, 01:10:19 PM
Anyone got the full USNWR rankings for IP programs?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Happy_Weasel on January 27, 2006, 03:49:27 PM
1) UC
2) Stanford
3) George Washington
4)Houston
5)Cardozo-Yeshiva
6)Franklin Peirce
7)Columbia
8)Dook and NYU TIED
10)Boston

Those are the top 10.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Oski03 on January 27, 2006, 06:00:34 PM
Thanks!

UC = UC Berkeley?
Boston = Boston University?
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: txaggie on January 27, 2006, 07:31:33 PM
I got this list off of another post... hopefully it's correct.

1.   University of California–Berkeley
2.   Stanford University (CA)
3.   George Washington University (DC)
4.   University of Houston
5.   Cardozo-Yeshiva University (NY)
6.   Franklin Pierce Law Center (NH)
7.   Columbia University (NY)
8.   Duke University (NC)
       New York University
10.  Boston University
11.  DePaul University (IL)
       Harvard University (MA)
13.  Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent)
14.  Georgetown University (DC)
15.  John Marshall Law School (IL)
       Santa Clara University (CA)
17.  University of Minnesota–Twin Cities
18.  University of Texas–Austin
19.  Michigan State University
       Washington University in St. Louis
21.  University of California–Los Angeles
22.  Fordham University (NY)
       University of Pennsylvania
24.  University of Washington
25.  George Mason University (VA)
26.  Boston College
27.  Case Western Reserve University (OH)
       University of Michigan–Ann Arbor
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: paran0id on January 30, 2006, 06:13:16 PM
Not to rain on any parades, but how much do these rankings really matter? They're not based on any sort of hiring/salary data. Some of these schools you expect to see (UC-B, Stanford, GWU, Columbia, Duke, etc, etc), but some of these others?! DePaul, Kent, John Marshall, MSU? I find it hard to believe that you'd be better off going to DePaul than any top 20 that didn't make this list.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: nubova on January 30, 2006, 06:23:56 PM
Specialty rankings were introduced as a means for selling more volumes of USNWR, and as such, they are extremely speculative in nature. As you go through the process of job searching in law school, your realise very quickly that choosing GW over GULC or BU over harvard is meaningless.

The Point:
Specialty rankings go to the professors at the school. Schools that have to top IP specialists will have high rankings. However, the point of law school is not so much to learn the law (the firms actually teach you this when you graduate, you'll see) but to obtain employment. Thus, your goal should be to get employed. As such, you should go to teh school that places extremely well either nationally, or in your market. If you dont have the opportunity to go to a school that places well nationally, and you dont have a market, shoot for a school that places well in an IP dominated market.

Top IP markets: Regional schools that place best in market in order
NY   - Ford, (dont know rest)
DC   - DC, WM, American
BOS   - BC, BU, NEU, Suffolk
N. CA - UCLA, Berk, Hastings
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: RallyMonkey on January 31, 2006, 09:18:09 AM
Specialty rankings are on somewhat tenuous grounds as a whole, but if any are to be taken seriously, IP is the one.  Supposedly it matters more for IP than for any other "specialty."

As a student going into IP, I've made the decision to go to the best school in my region, regardless of it's strength in IP. That's the advice that I've been given several times.

With that said, the school I'm likely going to choose (Iowa) has two of top IP profs in the country, so I'm not shortchanging myself with my decision.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Actual 1L on January 31, 2006, 09:30:16 AM
Not to rain on any parades, but how much do these rankings really matter?

They mean even less than the USNEWS overall rankings, which really says something b/c those rankings mean nothing.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Actual 1L on January 31, 2006, 09:42:07 AM
They mean even less than the USNEWS overall rankings, which really says something b/c those rankings mean nothing.

Well, you may not like or agree with the USNWR rankings, but they certainly do NOT mean "nothing."  They mean a lot -- a lot more than they should, but there's no sense in ignoring that fact.

It depends who you ask.  The vast majority of law firms have the schools from which they recruit pretty much set in stone.  You won't see many firms all of a sudden start adding schools b/c they moved up a few places in USNEWS rankings.  What you'll see is law firms add schools they recruit from b/c they have had students from those school do well at their firm and figure they should have an on campus presence.  Or they'll see that a certain school has added top faculty in an area the firm specializes in or has relationships with, so they will begin to recruit there.  Or former partners in firms who have gone back to teach at a particular school draw that firm to campus.

In the big picture, USNEWS means very little.  Unfortunately, it means so much to stupid law school applicants that schools must also take it into considersation with admissions decisions.  But USNEWS has not changed the fact that there are 10 or 15 schools that have a very national reputation, while the rest focus more on the region in which they are located.  What most folks fail to realize is that with or without USNEWS, the top schools in the country would still be the top schools.  And for the rest of the schools, which focus mostly on their region, it's the alumni that drive the reputation of the school (from a lawyer's career perspective). 

For example, if Northwestern dropped 5 spots in the next rankings, it would not change the fact that pretty much every firm in Chicago recruits VERY deep into Northwestern's class.  Additionally, if Loyola or Kent jumped 10 or even 15 spots in the rankings, it would not change the fact that BigLaw firms require you to be top 15% to interview at these schools.  So, in the grand scheme of things, the rankings mean very little.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bass on January 31, 2006, 10:00:34 AM
Say you get into Yale and Boalt, and want to do IP.

Where do you go?

That's why specialty rankings, even in IP, shouldn't be given too much weight.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Oski03 on January 31, 2006, 12:52:54 PM
Yale or Boalt? I'd take Boalt.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bass on January 31, 2006, 12:54:09 PM
Yale or Boalt? I'd take Boalt.

I'd say you are in a very small minority.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: moonchigger on February 04, 2006, 06:03:51 PM
Specialty rankings were introduced as a means for selling more volumes of USNWR

uh, and what were the general rankings made for...to make USNWR feel warm and fuzzy inside?
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bass on February 06, 2006, 07:45:01 PM
Yale or Boalt? I'd take Boalt.

I'd say you are in a very small minority.

I doubt it.  IP firms gorge themselves on Boalt graduates, especially the ones in the Bay Area.  Of which there are many.

I guess you're just talking to somebody with an East Coast Bias.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: SkullTatt on February 06, 2006, 08:47:20 PM
I would go to Boalt, it is my top choice.

And Mugatu is right, I want to work in SF after I graduate, and I have looked over the rolls of attorneys at the top firms in this area. And what you will see is (especially at firms that focus on IP)... BOALT, BOALT, BOALT !

Which also contradicts what another poster said, that UCLA places better in N. Cal. than Boalt. YEAH, RIGHT! That entire post should be disregarded on the basis of that error.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Mr. Pink on February 12, 2006, 03:18:22 PM
Yale or Boalt? I'd take Boalt.

I'd say you are in a very small minority.

I guess the two of us are in the same Boalt.  (get it :D  :o ::) ;D ;D :D)
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: SuicideNixon on February 25, 2006, 09:44:30 AM
Yale or Boalt? I'd take Boalt.

I'd say you are in a very small minority.

Yale loses more admits to "decided not to attend law school" than to all other law schools combined. I think they enroll 85% of admits
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: plaintext on February 25, 2006, 12:15:49 PM
I got this list off of another post... hopefully it's correct.

1.   University of California–Berkeley
2.   Stanford University (CA)
3.   George Washington University (DC)
4.   University of Houston
5.   Cardozo-Yeshiva University (NY)
6.   Franklin Pierce Law Center (NH)
7.   Columbia University (NY)
8.   Duke University (NC)
       New York University
10.  Boston University
11.  DePaul University (IL)
       Harvard University (MA)
13.  Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent)
14.  Georgetown University (DC)
15.  John Marshall Law School (IL)
       Santa Clara University (CA)
17.  University of Minnesota–Twin Cities
18.  University of Texas–Austin
19.  Michigan State University
       Washington University in St. Louis
21.  University of California–Los Angeles
22.  Fordham University (NY)
       University of Pennsylvania
24.  University of Washington
25.  George Mason University (VA)
26.  Boston College
27.  Case Western Reserve University (OH)
       University of Michigan–Ann Arbor


At the IP law firms websites search for schools, and compare which schools are better represented.  If the primary consideration is to get a high paying IP job, take the USNEWS rankings with a grain of salt, since it factors in a lot of extraneous variables (number of urinals, professor citations, actually I'm making these up, but you get the point).
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Ravishing Rick Rude on February 25, 2006, 12:34:04 PM
I'd take Boalt.  I think the shock and disbelief that someone would pick Boalt or Stanford over Yale is felt most acutely by those with prestige whore tendencies who feel extra chuffed because they happended to get into Yale.  I'm not knocking Yale at all, just knocking obnoxious self-promoters.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bass on February 25, 2006, 02:53:41 PM
I'd take Boalt.  I think the shock and disbelief that someone would pick Boalt or Stanford over Yale is felt most acutely by those with prestige whore tendencies who feel extra chuffed because they happended to get into Yale.  I'm not knocking Yale at all, just knocking obnoxious self-promoters.

Um... if that's directing at me, it's a feminine hygiene product-y thing to say.  You may change your mind about the IP thing, you may want to go into IP in academia, etc. etc.  Yale keeps all the doors open.  This has nothing to do with me.  I have had no interest in Boalt from the beginning.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: SuicideNixon on February 25, 2006, 04:19:44 PM
I'd take Boalt.  I think the shock and disbelief that someone would pick Boalt or Stanford over Yale is felt most acutely by those with prestige whore tendencies who feel extra chuffed because they happended to get into Yale.  I'm not knocking Yale at all, just knocking obnoxious self-promoters.

I don't think the only people who get into Yale are obnoxious self promoters, and I doubt even 1 person chooses Boalt over Yale in an average year given the numbers
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: "V" on February 25, 2006, 04:25:31 PM
I'm SHOCKED Lewis and Clark isn't on there, they really pushed their IP program with their environmental one when I toured.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Ravishing Rick Rude on February 25, 2006, 07:31:44 PM
Any top school is going to have its share of obnoxious self-promoters.  Of course Yale is not full of them.  My intended point, however vague, was that off all the people who would be shocked that someone would pick a lower-ranked school over Yale (this would shock most people, myself included), the MOST shocked of all would be the obnoxious self-promoter at Yale.

Yes, my post was directed at you, bass.  If that makes me a dou'chebag, then so be it.  At least I am in good company.

Re: bass: 

"his internet douchbaggery probably seeps out its protective casing little by little, until it fills the room, disrupting the flow of wine, cheese, and laughter."

-George Jefferson squared

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,52461.0.html
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bass on February 25, 2006, 09:28:35 PM
Any top school is going to have its share of obnoxious self-promoters.  Of course Yale is not full of them.  My intended point, however vague, was that off all the people who would be shocked that someone would pick a lower-ranked school over Yale (this would shock most people, myself included), the MOST shocked of all would be the obnoxious self-promoter at Yale.

Yes, my post was directed at you, bass.  If that makes me a dou'chebag, then so be it.  At least I am in good company.

Re: bass: 

"his internet douchbaggery probably seeps out its protective casing little by little, until it fills the room, disrupting the flow of wine, cheese, and laughter."

-George Jefferson squared

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,52461.0.html

What makes you a feminine hygiene product is that none of my comments had any shameless self-promotion in them.  So you made a feminine hygiene product-y remark prompted by an observation that I still think is valid--people don't turn down Yale for Boalt often.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Ravishing Rick Rude on February 25, 2006, 11:35:05 PM
"So you made a feminine hygiene product-y remark prompted by an observation that I still think is valid--people don't turn down Yale for Boalt often."

I most likely would not have taken issue, has this been what your post actually said.  Your original post was in the form of a rhetorical question:

"Say you get into Yale and Boalt, and want to do IP.

Where do you go?

That's why specialty rankings, even in IP, shouldn't be given too much weight."

This post, from a person with no stated interest in Boalt whatsoever, comes off a little arrogant.  I took issue with it because I would choose Boalt.  It's a no-brainer, actually.  Maybe it's because I haven't drunk the Kool-Aid that makes you believe you have to attend Yale or Harvard to be a scholar and have a shot at academia.  Maybe it's because I'm a west coast hippy.  Or, if I wanted to live in a decrepit northeast ghost-town husk of a city (like New Haven), I'd move back to my hometown.  Maybe it's because I'll enter law school with a Ph.D. (my shout-out to all the "prestige whores") and figure that attending pretty much any Top ~12 school will not compromise my propects of working in academia down the road.  If you're interested in the law as it pertains to science and technology, why in the world would you want to be stuck in New Haven when you could be soaking it up in the the bay area playground?  That's my perspective.   

Yes, the IP rankings are bogus after you get past #2 or so, in which case you're better off going to the best institution to which you are admitted.  It's also true that, generally speaking, a Berkeley degree may not "travel" quite as well as a HYS degree.  Your points are well-taken.  My point is that you insinuate it's a no-brainer to attend Yale if you get in and are interested in IP (or anything, for that matter)....and I would hope that people are making decisions based more on personal fit than perceived prestige.  That is certainly my plan.

Good luck man.   
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: paran0id on February 26, 2006, 12:14:56 PM
I can't remember if it's been said, but:

http://www.leiterrankings.com/faculty/2002faculty_topchoices.shtml

to quote from the website "cases. Note that these lists sometimes differ from the lists compiled by U.S. News, in which academics in the area are asked to list ten or fifteen strong "programs" in these areas. Schools with established "programs" may not necessarily be schools with academically distinguished faculty in the area."

The basic problem here is that USNews asks a bunch of people "Who has a good IP program?" and they print the results. Consequently, schools that have had an IP program for a long time (even a mediocre one) will rank high. Schools with a great, but 'young', IP program will rank low or not at all.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Reaching on February 26, 2006, 04:14:16 PM
It appears to me that the general consensus is to go to the best school generally and not put too much stock on the rankings of specialty areas.

This web page by an IP firm (although a little dated) backs up the idea that you should go to the school with the best general reputation.

http://www.patents.com/opportun.htm#law-school
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: student on February 27, 2006, 12:30:14 PM
Does anyone plan to take the patent bar before law school?  ::) ;D
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Ravishing Rick Rude on February 27, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
My girlfriend is currently studying for the Patent Bar....she's using the PATBAR.com course ($800).  I've considered taking the Patent Bar, mostly because the materials are just sitting around the house.  Probably won't happen, though...with school/studying for LSAT/preparing applications/etc.  I don't think it's worth your time to do it before law school.  My impression is if you study hard for 3-4 weeks, take and retake the provided past tests, you'll pass easily.  Supposedly a substantial fraction of the Patent Bar Exam questions are drawn from past tests, so if you study those you should be able to get the required 70% correct to pass.  If you don't have much keeping you busy right now, I'd say do it...it might look good on your resume.  But otherwise it will take a good month, tops, to prepare for and take after you finish law school.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: blocke123 on March 21, 2006, 01:56:00 PM
Specialty rankings are on somewhat tenuous grounds as a whole, but if any are to be taken seriously, IP is the one.  Supposedly it matters more for IP than for any other "specialty."

As a student going into IP, I've made the decision to go to the best school in my region, regardless of it's strength in IP. That's the advice that I've been given several times.

With that said, the school I'm likely going to choose (Iowa) has two of top IP profs in the country, so I'm not shortchanging myself with my decision.

Hello mr Monkey

What are your opinions of Iowa? I'm curious to hear what you think.  I want to work in a major firm in Chicago so I'm especially curious about their placement.

Also, general ideas about the campus and if you can recommend a few places to live, I'm married so some place relatively nice would be preferable.

Thanks
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: greengrl on March 29, 2006, 12:46:44 PM
i'm going to Iowa for IP too--its' a major research university so I think we're safe in our decision

see you in iowa city :)
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: buju on March 31, 2006, 05:24:12 AM
I've seen the new top 10, but does anyone with online access have the full list for 2007?
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: dennycrane on March 31, 2006, 08:34:06 PM
I personally think these rankings have some affect on IP hiring, but it is minimal at best. I think it depends tremendously on your undergrad degree and your experience with IP law/subject matter. If a student from FSU law, who has an undergrad degree in electrical engineering and has worked at an engineering firm for 3 years before law school is applying for the same job as someone from Stanford who came straight from undergrad with a history degree … I am willing to bet the fsu law student will get the job. Granted I am ignoring the alumni factor, but even with that I think the fsu law student might get the job anyways. IP firms want more then a law degree, they want people who can understand backwards and forwards technical data. Now if an IP firm is trying to decide between a student at FSU that came straight from undergrad with a history degree and a student at GW that came straight from undergrad with a history degree, then I think the GW student wins because US News says that his/her IP education is better. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: blocke123 on April 01, 2006, 04:50:04 AM
I personally think these rankings have some affect on IP hiring, but it is minimal at best. I think it depends tremendously on your undergrad degree and your experience with IP law/subject matter. If a student from FSU law, who has an undergrad degree in electrical engineering and has worked at an engineering firm for 3 years before law school is applying for the same job as someone from Stanford who came straight from undergrad with a history degree … I am willing to bet the fsu law student will get the job. Granted I am ignoring the alumni factor, but even with that I think the fsu law student might get the job anyways. IP firms want more then a law degree, they want people who can understand backwards and forwards technical data. Now if an IP firm is trying to decide between a student at FSU that came straight from undergrad with a history degree and a student at GW that came straight from undergrad with a history degree, then I think the GW student wins because US News says that his/her IP education is better. Am I wrong?

I don't think you're wrong.  You have to have an engineering/science degree to sit for the patent law exam.  If you don't have a technical degree you probably won't be very competitive in the marketplace!
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: blocke123 on April 01, 2006, 02:36:11 PM
>As a student going into IP, I've made the decision to go to the best school in my region, regardless of it's strength in IP. That's the advice that I've been given several times.

That's exactly correct, I think. The ranking of IP school only matters, if at all, if you don't have any applicable background. For someone with a PhD in natural sciences, for instance, just go to the best law school overall. You're already going to make a killing in IP with that degree, no one will care at all if the law school you chose is ranked higher in IP. I've already encountered this in choosing Stanford over Boalt ... sure, Boalt may be #1 in IP, but Stanford's apparently #2, and I'd rather be at a private school with nicer resources. And with a doctorate in sci, it won't matter to anyone anyway.

/Ad.

Well to be more exact, I don't see why anyone who doesn't have an engineering/technical degree would even bother to try to get an IP.  Esp. since you can't even set for teh patent bar.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bass on April 01, 2006, 02:51:00 PM
Well to be more exact, I don't see why anyone who doesn't have an engineering/technical degree would even bother to try to get an IP.  Esp. since you can't even set for teh patent bar.

Aren't you conflating "intellectual property" with "patent law?"

Yea, there are copyright litigators who do pretty well (in the words of my lawyer uncle, "they print money.)  Also, I was looking at a hotshot boston IP firm's website, and they said they are interested in people who specialized in trademark during law school, no science background required there.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: dennycrane on April 01, 2006, 06:34:57 PM
yah a science backround is not required....but you bet your ass it is preferred.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Isutrackstar on April 02, 2006, 08:00:16 PM
Anybody know the full IP ranking from US News 2007 ?
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: SuicideNixon on April 03, 2006, 07:16:16 PM
I personally think these rankings have some affect on IP hiring, but it is minimal at best. I think it depends tremendously on your undergrad degree and your experience with IP law/subject matter. If a student from FSU law, who has an undergrad degree in electrical engineering and has worked at an engineering firm for 3 years before law school is applying for the same job as someone from Stanford who came straight from undergrad with a history degree … I am willing to bet the fsu law student will get the job. Granted I am ignoring the alumni factor, but even with that I think the fsu law student might get the job anyways. IP firms want more then a law degree, they want people who can understand backwards and forwards technical data. Now if an IP firm is trying to decide between a student at FSU that came straight from undergrad with a history degree and a student at GW that came straight from undergrad with a history degree, then I think the GW student wins because US News says that his/her IP education is better. Am I wrong?

pretty no firm wants someone with a history degree, period. you have to have a technical degree or they wont even look at you. from experience I can tell you that even an applied math degree with a billion physics credits isnt what they are looking for
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bass on April 04, 2006, 08:30:07 AM
I personally think these rankings have some affect on IP hiring, but it is minimal at best. I think it depends tremendously on your undergrad degree and your experience with IP law/subject matter. If a student from FSU law, who has an undergrad degree in electrical engineering and has worked at an engineering firm for 3 years before law school is applying for the same job as someone from Stanford who came straight from undergrad with a history degree … I am willing to bet the fsu law student will get the job. Granted I am ignoring the alumni factor, but even with that I think the fsu law student might get the job anyways. IP firms want more then a law degree, they want people who can understand backwards and forwards technical data. Now if an IP firm is trying to decide between a student at FSU that came straight from undergrad with a history degree and a student at GW that came straight from undergrad with a history degree, then I think the GW student wins because US News says that his/her IP education is better. Am I wrong?

pretty no firm wants someone with a history degree, period. you have to have a technical degree or they wont even look at you. from experience I can tell you that even an applied math degree with a billion physics credits isnt what they are looking for

still conlfating "IP" with "Patent"
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: greengrl on April 04, 2006, 11:39:34 AM
random but relevent (sp?)--will a masters with technical training (aka masters with thesis in biochem, physics etc..) be sufficient or do you think you need a PhD?
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: bvrlvr on April 04, 2006, 11:42:08 AM
random but relevent (sp?)--will a masters with technical training (aka masters with thesis in biochem, physics etc..) be sufficient or do you think you need a PhD?

I interned with an (very good, btw) IP firm who had people from all different levels of training: some had undergrad degrees, most had masters, and a lot had PHDs. So are PHd's necessary? Not really, but you will make more money/have an easier time finding a job with one.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: greengrl on April 04, 2006, 01:30:56 PM
thanks for the input; at my age a PhD + JD combo would come just in time for retirement! Now, can I really sit through Biochem all over again :)
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: SuicideNixon on April 04, 2006, 03:14:57 PM
I personally think these rankings have some affect on IP hiring, but it is minimal at best. I think it depends tremendously on your undergrad degree and your experience with IP law/subject matter. If a student from FSU law, who has an undergrad degree in electrical engineering and has worked at an engineering firm for 3 years before law school is applying for the same job as someone from Stanford who came straight from undergrad with a history degree … I am willing to bet the fsu law student will get the job. Granted I am ignoring the alumni factor, but even with that I think the fsu law student might get the job anyways. IP firms want more then a law degree, they want people who can understand backwards and forwards technical data. Now if an IP firm is trying to decide between a student at FSU that came straight from undergrad with a history degree and a student at GW that came straight from undergrad with a history degree, then I think the GW student wins because US News says that his/her IP education is better. Am I wrong?

pretty no firm wants someone with a history degree, period. you have to have a technical degree or they wont even look at you. from experience I can tell you that even an applied math degree with a billion physics credits isnt what they are looking for

still conlfating "IP" with "Patent"

no I understand the distinction--however, firms that specialize in "IP" work are usually patent firms. "Soft IP" as copyright, etc is sometimes called is a really soft market right now, and most of the work is not done by boutique firms
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: ellay on April 19, 2006, 10:01:02 AM
is it just me or are those rankings completely wrong.... this is the list I found...

1.     University of California–Berkeley
2.    Stanford University (CA)
3.    George Washington University (DC)
4.    Santa Clara University (CA)
5.    University of Houston
6.    Cardozo-Yeshiva University (NY)
7.    Duke University (NC)
     Franklin Pierce Law Center (NH)
9.    Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent)
10.    Columbia University (NY)
11.    DePaul University (IL)
12.    Boston University
     New York University
14.    John Marshall Law School (IL)
15.    Georgetown University (DC)
16.    Harvard University (MA)
17.    Michigan State University
     University of Washington
19.    Case Western Reserve University (OH)
     Fordham University (NY)
21.    Boston College
     University of Minnesota–Twin Cities
     University of Texas–Austin
24.    George Mason University (VA)
     University of Akron (OH)
     University of Pittsburgh
27.    Washington University in St. Louis
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: HankQuinlan on April 21, 2006, 11:41:38 AM
is it just me or are those rankings completely wrong.... this is the list I found...

1.     University of California–Berkeley
2.    Stanford University (CA)
3.    George Washington University (DC)
4.    Santa Clara University (CA)
5.    University of Houston
6.    Cardozo-Yeshiva University (NY)
7.    Duke University (NC)
     Franklin Pierce Law Center (NH)
9.    Illinois Institute of Technology (Chicago-Kent)
10.    Columbia University (NY)
11.    DePaul University (IL)
12.    Boston University
     New York University
14.    John Marshall Law School (IL)
15.    Georgetown University (DC)
16.    Harvard University (MA)
17.    Michigan State University
     University of Washington
19.    Case Western Reserve University (OH)
     Fordham University (NY)
21.    Boston College
     University of Minnesota–Twin Cities
     University of Texas–Austin
24.    George Mason University (VA)
     University of Akron (OH)
     University of Pittsburgh
27.    Washington University in St. Louis

I think those 2007 rankings are correct. 

I just took and passed the patent bar exam myself--I'm entering law school this fall.  All you pretty much need to do to prepare for it is take a review course (I took PRG/Kayton) and practice through old exams, knowing where to look up the information in the PDF version of the MPEP. The USPTO loves to put old questions verbatim on their exam and out of the 100 questions on my test, 30 of them were straight repeats from these old exams. This site has old tests free for download: http://www.legaled.com/patentbarexam.htm.

Another good resource to look through before you take the exam is:
http://tinyurl.com/zpmbm

Lots of info about questions that appear on the test.  The general board provides great info about IP law as well.
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Afro on June 08, 2006, 12:15:26 PM
You want to look at the markets adn schools that place well in those markets. The top IP markets are listed below with the Regional schools that place best in that corresponding market in order from Best to Worst: (note: T5 schools ommitted b/ they're national)

NY   - Ford, Cardozo, NYLS
DC   - GULC, GW, WM, American
BOS   - BC, BU, NEU, Suffolk
N. CA - Brk, UCLA, Hastings, Loyola
N. Carol - Duke, UNC
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: Evo on June 09, 2006, 08:56:55 AM
would it be better to take GULC over UVa for IP?  (not sure if I wanna goto DC or NYC)
Title: Re: Top 20 IP Schools
Post by: J D on June 09, 2006, 06:44:00 PM
Do a technical degree or take the patent bar. You'll smoke anyone who chose an "IP school".

I think you migh mean "and"; I'm not sure you can be allowed to sit for the patent bar without a technical degree.