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Title: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: NewHampshireLaw on January 22, 2006, 07:03:01 PM
Dear All,

Me and many of my friends spent a little time at the Liberty University School of Law in Lynchburg Virginia. DO NOT APPLY THERE.  My opinion is that you will be lied to during the admission process worse than that of a cheap salesman. You will be indoctrinated worse than a branch davidian. You will hate the law and your life. I went there during there initial process and I had to get out, after wasting two semesters. Trust me, whether you are Christian or not, that place is wicked and bad. I have proof for all of my assertions. It has been on my heart for a very long time now to actually come back to these boards and warn people. I used to go to lsd.org years ago for advice on where to apply.  Now I want to help others.  The place is a non-accredited mess.  If you are a good Christian person and want to go to a Christian school, PLEASE do not go here. It will shake your faith in the organized church. My heart goes out to you, but please learn the lesson that my and about 20 of my friends learned too late: DO NOT APPLY OR GO OR EVEN THINK ABOUT GOING TO THE LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW.  If you are considering Liberty, please contact me and let me talk you out of it. God bless.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Vainglory on January 22, 2006, 07:21:41 PM
Liberty University?  Jerry Falwell?

Please. ::)


It actually blows my mind that people would consider it, much less actually go there.  Who chooses to live in a prison?
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: chevelle on January 23, 2006, 07:06:08 AM
They sent me something in the mail the other day...I got rid of it. I would never seriously consider any school that tried to mix in religion with the law like that.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: laur0212 on February 03, 2006, 11:17:24 AM
Duh.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kruddler on February 03, 2006, 12:21:43 PM
laur, I love the avatar. I've got a 14 yo beagle who's still as ornery as ever.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Denny Crane on February 03, 2006, 01:07:37 PM
Not that I would ever consider going there, but could you provide details about what makes liberty so horrible?  Aside from not being accredited.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RocketBot on February 04, 2006, 12:59:31 AM
http://www.liberty.edu/studentaffairs/index.cfm?PID=1378
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: shae on February 04, 2006, 01:13:32 AM
http://www.liberty.edu/studentaffairs/index.cfm?PID=1378

haha- wow.

maybe they offer scholarships that allow the top students to associate with members of the opposite sex
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: shae on February 04, 2006, 01:14:04 AM
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I think I may call and ask.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: chevelle on February 04, 2006, 08:19:14 AM
also ask if you can bring "The Passion of the Christ". It's rated R.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: CoxlessPair on February 04, 2006, 01:57:22 PM
Abortion and witchcraft are included in the honor code violations...

These people are out of their f-ing minds.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Rainwater on February 04, 2006, 02:05:51 PM
Please stop posting about this school. There are already like 2-3 threads about it.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: shae on February 04, 2006, 02:18:07 PM
i just wanted to post about this school.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Happy_Weasel on February 04, 2006, 04:06:10 PM
Yeah... I wonder what "Immorality" means. LOL....

Hahahahaha....Abortion in a conduct code.

Reprimands and Consequences
   
1 Reprimand 
Curfew violation (one additional reprimand for each half-hour late until 2:00 a.m.)
Late to Convocation (one additional reprimand for each 15 minutes late)
 
4 Reprimands + $10 Fine 
Allowing unauthorized overnight visitor in residence room
Absence from required meeting
Disturbance/non-participation during Convocation
Dress/hair code violation: male or female
Failure to respond to an official call slip (for Student Affairs use only)
Horseplay (plus financial restitution)
Improper personal contact (anything beyond hand-holding)
Improper sign out
Missing Convocation
Music code violation
Outside residence hall after curfew
Residence hall disturbance/noise violation
Unauthorized borrowing (plus financial restitution)
 
6 Reprimands + $25 Fine 
Attendance at a dance
Direct disobedience/disrespect
Disassembly or removal of residence hall furniture
Entering entryway of opposite sex on campus or allowing the same
Gambling
Improper social behavior
Possession and/or use of tobacco
Unauthorized room change
 
12 Reprimands + $50 Fine 
Attendance at, possession or viewing of, an "R," "NC-17" or "X"-rated movie
Deception
Entering the residence hallway of the opposite sex or allowing the same
Entering the space above ceiling tiles
Out of residence hall overnight or substantial portion of the night without permission (after 2:00 a.m.)
Participation in an unauthorized petition or demonstration
Possession and/or viewing of sexually explicit material
Possession of a school key without authorization
Safety/security violation
Students of the opposite sex visiting alone at an off-campus residence
 
12-18 Reprimands + Corresponding Fine 
Malicious horseplay/behavior (plus financial restitution)
Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior
 
18 Reprimands + $250 Fine 
+ 18 hours Disciplinary Community Service
 
Association with those consuming alcohol
Commission of a misdemeanor
Entering a residence hall apartment or quad of the opposite sex or allowing the same
Entering bedroom of the opposite sex on/off campus or allowing the same
Failure to properly identify oneself
Falsification of information on an official document
Racial harassment
Sexual harassment (i.e., unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors or other conduct or comments of a sexual nature)
Sexual misconduct and/or any state of undress
Threat to do bodily harm
Vandalism (plus financial restitution)
 
30 Reprimands + $500 Fine 
+ 30 hours Disciplinary Community Service + possible Administrative Withdrawal. NOTE: For each accumulation of six or more reprimands after 30, an additional $150 fine will be assessed.
 
Adoption
Academic dishonesty
Assault/sexual assault (minimum two semesters out)
Commission/conviction of any felony
Failure of three Christian/Community Services without reconciliation
Illegal drugs-association/possession, use/distribution (minimum two semesters out)
Immorality
Involvement with witchcraft, sťances or other occultic activities
Life-threatening behavior or language to others or oneself (immediate removal/exclusion from campus and a minimum of two semesters out)
Non-participation/disruption/non-compliance (possible removal/exclusion from campus)
Possession or consumption of alcoholic beverages
Refusal to submit to an Alco-Sensor test and/or drug test
Spending the night with a person of the opposite sex
Stealing or possession of stolen property (plus financial restitution; minimum two semesters out)
Two or more individuals of the opposite sex together in motel room without proper permission
Unauthorized possession/use of weapons
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: azstudent on February 04, 2006, 04:13:35 PM
I find the name of the school ironic.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Happy_Weasel on February 04, 2006, 04:15:32 PM
You can't even adopt or put a child up for adoption.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: mgd04 on February 04, 2006, 04:18:00 PM
CRAZY
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: chevelle on February 04, 2006, 11:48:00 PM
You can't even adopt or put a child up for adoption.

What if you're married and you want to adopt a child?
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Happy_Weasel on February 05, 2006, 08:07:06 AM
You can't even adopt or put a child up for adoption.

What if you're married and you want to adopt a child?

I just replaced abortion with adoption.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RocketBot on February 05, 2006, 02:31:24 PM
You can't even adopt or put a child up for adoption.

http://www.liberty.edu/academics/law/index.cfm?PID=10025
 :o

I think their career services website is scarier than their reprimand policies.  The major content there is to 'form a network'.

http://www.liberty.edu/academics/law/index.cfm?PID=4932

Haha, I love the circular reasoning Bible quote: "But we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully. -Timothy 1:8"

Thanks Timothy!  Keep us updated!
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: cyberrev on February 05, 2006, 02:59:54 PM
You can't even adopt or put a child up for adoption.

http://www.liberty.edu/academics/law/index.cfm?PID=10025
 :o

I think their career services website is scarier than their reprimand policies.  The major content there is to 'form a network'.

http://www.liberty.edu/academics/law/index.cfm?PID=4932

Haha, I love the circular reasoning Bible quote: "But we know that the law is good, if one uses it lawfully. -Timothy 1:8"

Thanks Timothy!  Keep us updated!


it's not circular reasoning. 

the greek 'nomos' translates directly as 'law' or 'rule of law' and the greek 'nomimos' which some translate as 'lawfully' has the connotation of 'used properly' or 'used as the law intended'

therefore the correct translation would be 'the law is good when it is used properly'

because liberty misuses it does not mean that it has no value
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Happy_Weasel on February 05, 2006, 03:05:53 PM
That's what I assumed it meant. Liberty is probably one of those places like Regent and Ave Maria, of which are trying to breed the next generation of FS lawyers.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: cyberrev on February 05, 2006, 03:09:30 PM
it's not circular reasoning. 

the greek 'nomos' translates directly as 'law' or 'rule of law' and the greek 'nomimos' which some translate as 'lawfully' has the connotation of 'used properly' or 'used as the law intended'

therefore the correct translation would be 'the law is good when it is used properly'

because liberty misuses it does not mean that it has no value

It is not circular when nomos is translated as "properly"; it is circular when used in the way that Liberty has translated it.  There is a purpose to their translation, and as with all translations it is not innocent or "literal"

i totally agree, the purpose of their translation is to use it as a club of sorts.  i dont believe it is an innocent translation.

thats what irks me the most, and what i have been fighting for years and years -- the entirety of the christian faith boiled down to a rulebook or a to-do list.  and usually improprerly boiled down, to boot.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: rhythmbomb on February 05, 2006, 03:22:31 PM
Anyone stupid enough to apply to a snake-charmimg law school like Liberty won't be discouraged by this post...
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: cyberrev on February 05, 2006, 03:35:23 PM
Good on ya. You should have been my rev, way back when


thanks  ;)
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kmpnj on February 06, 2006, 12:00:38 AM
I'm a republican and this place gives ME the creeps.

Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RockyMarciano on February 06, 2006, 10:42:42 AM
The school is probably thinking "Holy Mary, Jesus, and Joseph. The website is overloading because people keep on entering our website. We made it!!!!" I wonder what other law schools think of Regent for example NYU.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: IvanTrbl on February 12, 2006, 11:10:55 PM
Wow - they have an entire infraction category that deals exclusively with pronography:

"D. PORNOGRAPHY
Involvement with pornographic, erotic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive
materials, expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Honor Code and the principles
of the Christian faith. It is a serious offense that may result in sanctions including, in
appropriate cases, termination from law school employment, immediate suspension or
dismissal from the law school as well as prosecution pursuant to the law.
Students must avoid involvement with pornography. They must also understand that use
of the Liberty University owned and operated computing network to obtain or distribute
pornographic material constitutes an inappropriate use of the computer network."

My computer would need a MAJOR overhaul if I were to ever attend Liberty...  ;)

So... we should play a game.  Which of the infractions would be the first you would break if u went to Liberty?  I would say coming home past 2AM, but i'm sure there's no night life around...
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RockyMarciano on February 15, 2006, 03:39:09 PM
Wow - they have an entire infraction category that deals exclusively with pronography:

"D. PORNOGRAPHY
Involvement with pornographic, erotic, obscene, indecent, or other similarly offensive
materials, expressions, or conduct is inconsistent with the Honor Code and the principles
of the Christian faith. It is a serious offense that may result in sanctions including, in
appropriate cases, termination from law school employment, immediate suspension or
dismissal from the law school as well as prosecution pursuant to the law.
Students must avoid involvement with pornography. They must also understand that use
of the Liberty University owned and operated computing network to obtain or distribute
pornographic material constitutes an inappropriate use of the computer network."

My computer would need a MAJOR overhaul if I were to ever attend Liberty...  ;)

So... we should play a game.  Which of the infractions would be the first you would break if u went to Liberty?  I would say coming home past 2AM, but i'm sure there's no night life around...


Dude, your avator would be enough for expulsion or complete damnation to hell. The rule I would probably be:
1) Music Code Violation (I do not like Rock but I would bump MEGA DEATH or Slayer!!! just to piss them off)
2)Association with those consuming alcohol. I would get a fine every sunday because I go to Catholic mass and they serve the holy wine.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: CoxlessPair on February 15, 2006, 06:08:07 PM
I'm pretty sure simply BEING Catholic is an infranction worthy offence as far as they are concerned.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: wrmusgro on February 16, 2006, 08:21:44 PM
You guys know that Liberty just received provisional accreditation right?

Check it out:

http://www.lawschool.com/libertylaw.htm

Personally, I really don't know why everyone is freaked out about Liberty being a Christian school and having a law school. I can rattle off about 30 schools that are the same. Anyway...enjoy.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: silver_j on February 16, 2006, 08:26:57 PM
The person who started this topic didn't give any specific reasons as to why people shouldn't go to Liberty...except for emotionally-laden words.  It sorta makes me questions if such a person actually did attend Liberty, and if so, why, in the first place?      
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Tulane1L on February 16, 2006, 11:01:26 PM
I can't believe this thread is still alive!
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: chevelle on February 17, 2006, 07:29:49 AM
Liberty just sent me an email about their provisional ABA approval.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Vainglory on February 17, 2006, 08:26:20 AM
Liberty just sent me an email about their provisional ABA approval.

Same here.  Didn't know you could apply to go to prison...
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: pinkybella on February 17, 2006, 09:43:23 AM
Liberty just sent me an email about their provisional ABA approval.

I was just about to post this. It seems like the ABA is giving a lot of schools provisional approval this year....
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RockyMarciano on February 18, 2006, 12:31:21 PM
I'm pretty sure simply BEING Catholic is an infranction worthy offence as far as they are concerned.

Yea, probably. I agree with kruddler about the school.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: NontradMike on February 18, 2006, 01:26:21 PM
All you need to know:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon3.html
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RockyMarciano on February 18, 2006, 04:38:01 PM
That is exactly the kind of stuff that scares me. I am afraid that this country is starting to look more like Saudi Arabia with religiou zealots running the show.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: CoxlessPair on February 18, 2006, 06:29:15 PM
I think Shane had the right thought in regard to this. Conversely, Kruddler is way off base.

Law schools may be Catholic or Christian in name but I have yet to come into contact with one that has any real religious emphasis. I'm currently at a Catholic LS and if you didn't know it already, probably would be hard to tell. Close friend of mine from undergrad actually goes to Catholic (DC) Law and it's secular in academic application.

With how chest-thumpingly politically correct and liberal law schools are these days, I would find it hard to locate a respectable law school that truly imposes any sort of religion (would make teaching the Free Exercise Clause a bit tricky as well).

The exception of course being our wonderful friends, the fundamental Christians. I'm pretty sure the big JC would get sanctioned for his hippie long hair and sandals at Liberty. I think itís an abomination for Liberty to get any sort of nod by the ABA.


Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: IvanTrbl on February 20, 2006, 10:22:31 AM
I dont think they can find out 99% of those things.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: cyberrev on February 20, 2006, 04:13:04 PM
A spinster comes into the segregated dorms every week to check the ladies for "signs of invasion."


with a speculum the size of a salad tosser
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: CoxlessPair on February 20, 2006, 07:10:14 PM
Da Rev, I think I just threw up in my mouth.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: curry2lt99 on February 20, 2006, 07:47:11 PM
I'm no fan of Liberty University by any means, but I think you all are way out of line. This thread contains quite a lot of hate and intolerance towards Christians. If you don't believe in the Bible, fine. But to openly mock those who do and the school they go to because of it is crossing the line.

Generally speaking, evangelical Christians do not believe in premarital sex, abortion, and a whole host of things which you may see differently. They have a right to their beliefs, as you do. One of the reasons they set up Liberty University is because a lot of other law schools are filled with people who hate them for what they believe.

Personally, the reason why I would disagree with going to Liberty is because I believe Jesus commanded us to be in the world. There is a trend in Christianity today to cocoon ourselves in our own little bubble. Setting up our own law schools such as Liberty and Regent are examples of this cocooning.

So yes, I would agree that Liberty and Regent do not represent the best legal education in the country. But they have structured themselves the way they have because of their believes and they are not harming you people. So, please stop the religious bigotry.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Pancho on February 20, 2006, 08:18:20 PM
Their 75th #s are 3.6/155 - shouldn't these people be looking at a Tier 2 or 3 school? 


This post effectively convinced me not to send my money to Liberty :-X.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kmpnj on February 20, 2006, 11:08:33 PM
A spinster comes into the segregated dorms every week to check the ladies for "signs of invasion."


with a speculum the size of a salad tosser

Except salad tossing is probably banned as well.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: IvanTrbl on February 21, 2006, 11:44:52 AM
I'm no fan of Liberty University by any means, but I think you all are way out of line. This thread contains quite a lot of hate and intolerance towards Christians. If you don't believe in the Bible, fine. But to openly mock those who do and the school they go to because of it is crossing the line.

I think you are misunderstanding the issue at hand.  We have no ill feelings towards the students of Liberty or their fundamental beliefs.  However, one will be hard-pressed to justify the absurd policing policies that the school's administration employs.  It's almost as though they're ostracizing their own students by subjecting them to rigorous behavorial codes.  It seems unethical and hypocritical.

 
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Tulane1L on February 22, 2006, 10:03:23 PM
A spinster comes into the segregated dorms every week to check the ladies for "signs of invasion."


with a speculum the size of a salad tosser

Except salad tossing is probably banned as well.

Oh, that made me laugh ;)
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kmpnj on February 23, 2006, 08:30:09 PM
I'm no fan of Liberty University by any means, but I think you all are way out of line. This thread contains quite a lot of hate and intolerance towards Christians. If you don't believe in the Bible, fine. But to openly mock those who do and the school they go to because of it is crossing the line.

I think you are misunderstanding the issue at hand.  We have no ill feelings towards the students of Liberty or their fundamental beliefs.  However, one will be hard-pressed to justify the absurd policing policies that the school's administration employs.  It's almost as though they're ostracizing their own students by subjecting them to rigorous behavorial codes.  It seems unethical and hypocritical.

 

Oh, come on.  The world needs these social misfits.  They make regular nerds like myself look cool by comparison.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: cyberrev on February 23, 2006, 08:46:23 PM
A spinster comes into the segregated dorms every week to check the ladies for "signs of invasion."


with a speculum the size of a salad tosser

Except salad tossing is probably banned as well.


only on the sabbath. 

thou shalt not toss thy vegetables upon thy day of rest, nor shall thou tosseth thy cookies
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kmpnj on February 23, 2006, 09:27:55 PM
A spinster comes into the segregated dorms every week to check the ladies for "signs of invasion."


with a speculum the size of a salad tosser

Except salad tossing is probably banned as well.


only on the sabbath. 

thou shalt not toss thy vegetables upon thy day of rest, nor shall thou tosseth thy cookies

Unless it is the alter boy, in which case he may toss thy salad and enjoy thy dingleberries
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Silvermtn on February 27, 2006, 12:15:26 PM
I actually applied there last year and got rejected before I re-took the LSAT. That is one acceptance I'm glad I didn't get.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: ajstyles on March 09, 2006, 09:37:35 PM
This Jerry Faldwell character is a feminine hygiene product...second only to Pat Robertson aka The Devil aka the AntiChrist
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kmpnj on March 29, 2006, 07:39:13 PM
Just found out McCain is speaking at their graduation.  No John, don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kmpnj on March 29, 2006, 09:43:29 PM
Just found out McCain is speaking at their graduation.  No John, don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!



He'll be at the podium and everyone will be seated waaaaaaaaaaaaay to his right.

I'm just hoping they don't leave him in a broom closet until Dec 2009.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RootBrewskies on March 30, 2006, 06:56:58 AM
i like this:
Life-threatening behavior or language to others or oneself (immediate removal/exclusion from campus and a minimum of two semesters out)
500 dollar fine + 30 reprimands


so if someone is mentally ill and trys to kill themselves, instead of helping the person out they suspend them for 2 semesters and charge them 500 dollars.  that does seem like the christian thing to do. 
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: cyberrev on March 30, 2006, 08:30:17 AM
i like this:
Life-threatening behavior or language to others or oneself (immediate removal/exclusion from campus and a minimum of two semesters out)
500 dollar fine + 30 reprimands


so if someone is mentally ill and trys to kill themselves, instead of helping the person out they suspend them for 2 semesters and charge them 500 dollars.  that does seem like the christian thing to do. 



so if you curse yourself out, youre in trouble <lol>
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: katedennis on March 30, 2006, 10:17:04 AM
Just found out McCain is speaking at their graduation.  No John, don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's speaking at Ohio State's also...don't worry too much, I think he's just making the rounds (in possible swing states?)
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Alamo on March 30, 2006, 12:38:52 PM
Just found out McCain is speaking at their graduation.  No John, don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's speaking at Ohio State's also...don't worry too much, I think he's just making the rounds (in possible swing states?)

Yep, McCain realizes that to have a shot in the primaries, he's gonna have to suck up to the GOP base; the far right ruined him in 2000 and he's not gonna let it happen again . . .
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: RockyMarciano on March 30, 2006, 04:29:01 PM
I can't speak for anyone else on the board, but I for one don't hate them for what they believe.  Sure, I got irritated when my Christian friends in elementary and junior high tried to convert me, but we developed a rule that worked really well: I didn't push vegetarianism on them, and they didn't push their conception of God on me. (Of course, they wound up liking vegetarian food when I cooked it, and I like Renaissance art, but quality is quality regardless of ideology.)


There are some people at my school that keep on trying to make me go to their church. I blew up on one of the guys today. I feel really bad but they should take no as an answer and stop trying to convert me. He was saying "You know the bible says that you should not call anybody Father besides your father and God. blah blah. Come to church with me." I finally said, "You know what? Just leave me the Fu*k alone. I tried to be nice by respecting your views, so please respect my views and religion.Ē To be honest, I felt like a jerk but there was no alternative. You would figure that after telling them no three times that it would give them the hint. Some people are just do not care for the private space of other people.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: cyberrev on March 30, 2006, 06:51:01 PM
I can't speak for anyone else on the board, but I for one don't hate them for what they believe.  Sure, I got irritated when my Christian friends in elementary and junior high tried to convert me, but we developed a rule that worked really well: I didn't push vegetarianism on them, and they didn't push their conception of God on me. (Of course, they wound up liking vegetarian food when I cooked it, and I like Renaissance art, but quality is quality regardless of ideology.)


There are some people at my school that keep on trying to make me go to their church. I blew up on one of the guys today. I feel really bad but they should take no as an answer and stop trying to convert me. He was saying "You know the bible says that you should not call anybody Father besides your father and God. blah blah. Come to church with me." I finally said, "You know what? Just leave me the Fu*k alone. I tried to be nice by respecting your views, so please respect my views and religion.Ē To be honest, I felt like a jerk but there was no alternative. You would figure that after telling them no three times that it would give them the hint. Some people are just do not care for the private space of other people.


geez, i've never been that pushy even as a rev <lol>
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: dmitrik4 on March 30, 2006, 07:57:56 PM
i got a kick out of the fact that "consuming alcoholic beverages" and "abortion" carry the same penalty.  i guess lynchburg, VA is not at all like lynchburg, TN.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: LULAW1982 on February 24, 2009, 05:55:51 PM
Everything negative about this school is complete bull.  The school is not full of religious zealots.  Many people here are just conservative/libertarian.  That does not mean they hate non-Christians or don't drink.  The media gives them a terrible image. 

Additionally, their in-state bar passage rate is second only to UVA. 
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: LawDog3 on February 25, 2009, 06:36:25 PM
I can't speak for anyone else on the board, but I for one don't hate them for what they believe.  Sure, I got irritated when my Christian friends in elementary and junior high tried to convert me, but we developed a rule that worked really well: I didn't push vegetarianism on them, and they didn't push their conception of God on me. (Of course, they wound up liking vegetarian food when I cooked it, and I like Renaissance art, but quality is quality regardless of ideology.)


There are some people at my school that keep on trying to make me go to their church. I blew up on one of the guys today. I feel really bad but they should take no as an answer and stop trying to convert me. He was saying "You know the bible says that you should not call anybody Father besides your father and God. blah blah. Come to church with me." I finally said, "You know what? Just leave me the Fu*k alone. I tried to be nice by respecting your views, so please respect my views and religion.Ē To be honest, I felt like a jerk but there was no alternative. You would figure that after telling them no three times that it would give them the hint. Some people are just do not care for the private space of other people.

The school is named "Liberty" for crying outloud...tell them you want liberty, i.e., freedom from religious oppression. lol.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: SamE397 on February 26, 2009, 02:05:13 PM
I realize this thread is quite old but even so I couldn't find any of the peculiarities on Liberty's site that people are listing. The only moral clauses I found in their honor code were

1. A clause forbidding porn on campus computers

2. Another saying that students shouldn't abuse alcohol or drugs; it wasn't clear as to what abuse was  by their definition

As far as accreditation goes, I'm not exactly a fan of Liberty's politics but that said the ABA should only be screening for academic standards. As long as what a school is doing is within the confines of the law I don't think the ABA should prohibit it.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: SamE397 on February 26, 2009, 02:50:47 PM
That's because most of it is password protected now, Sam. You can verify that by clicking the links on the first few pages of this thread. The list of prohibitions and sactions on page two of this thread is a direct copy and paste.

Regarding individual choice of where to attend law school and ABA accreditation, I totally agree with you. But these people are screaming to be made fun of. It will only do them good by feeding their thirst for persecution.
I could see why they would want to do that but that said am I supposed to just take peoples word for it that these things are on the site? Liberty may deserve to be made fun of a bit but I don't think they deserve to have un-verified information about their school circulated on the internet.

Also, looking over their sexual misconduct clause again I did notice that along with banned actions normally considered sexual harassment it included pre-marital sex. I wonder if that's actually enforced dam that could be awful.   
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: penni_rose on February 26, 2009, 03:09:23 PM
A lot of religious schools have the porn and pre-marital sex clauses (it's on Baylor's honor code too). I don't know how many of them enforce them. I get the idea that some enforce it a lot more than others. I also think that some enforce it in undergrad, but not so much for the law school.

There is another thread about this school somewhere that has a cache from Google listing the male dress code. That was enough for me to believe a lot of the rumors.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: SamE397 on February 26, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
That's because most of it is password protected now, Sam. You can verify that by clicking the links on the first few pages of this thread. The list of prohibitions and sactions on page two of this thread is a direct copy and paste.

Regarding individual choice of where to attend law school and ABA accreditation, I totally agree with you. But these people are screaming to be made fun of. It will only do them good by feeding their thirst for persecution.

I could see why they would want to do that but that said am I supposed to just take peoples word for it that these things are on the site? Liberty may deserve to be made fun of a bit but I don't think they deserve to have un-verified information about their school circulated on the internet.

Also, looking over their sexual misconduct clause again I did notice that along with banned actions normally considered sexual harassment it included pre-marital sex. I wonder if that's actually enforced dam that could be awful.   

I can tell you that I've seen it first-hand before it was password protected, and those items were listed there. Take my word for it or don't; that in no way affects the veracity of it. Just because it's locked down now, doesn't mean it isn't there, or has never been.
I don't think you're lying I just would have liked to see it for myself; oh well I guess either way I won't be able to.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: kennedyposter on March 18, 2009, 09:46:30 PM
oh wow...i just read their "liberty way" code of conduct and i would honestly rather be aborted than spend a day there. i love how abortion and attending dances carry the same sanctions hahaha
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: scrabble75 on June 12, 2009, 08:47:05 AM
Anyone know if the College Democrats is still banned from campus?

Any Obama supporters at Liberty?
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: scrabble75 on June 18, 2009, 07:46:57 PM
Dude, The book by Kevin Roose is a must read for anyone considering Liberty Law School......a 46 page rule book for students...have you read this?

www.kevinroose.com

Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: LULAW1982 on June 18, 2009, 08:19:48 PM
The law school has its own set of rules and they are not anywhere near as crazy as the undergrad rules.  I know b/c I went there.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matlock!!!! on June 19, 2009, 12:02:26 AM
The brain washed Zombie poster above sent me the following PM:

LULAW1982
Sr. Citizen
****
Posts: 118
Re: Liberty

You are nothing but a punk.  Only losers talk smack on the Internet.  Go run to your mom female dog.

Liberty recently BANNED the DEMOCRATIC PARTY CLUB on it's campus. 

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/05/22/liberty-university-bans-dem-club.aspx

Right Wing Wackos need only apply.  I pm'd the Zombie back asking it to tell Jerry Falwell, God called and he wants his good reputation back.
 
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: LULAW1982 on June 19, 2009, 12:45:01 AM
Once again, you are incorrect.  Liberty did not ban the college Dems from campus.  Liberty will not allow the college Democrats to use the school's name or receive any student funding (which is minimal anyway).  The college Democrats still have their group, and still meet regularly on campus. 
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: nealric on June 20, 2009, 12:52:49 PM
But I presume Liberty has no problem allowing the campus Republicans to use the school's name and funding.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matlock!!!! on June 21, 2009, 05:07:08 PM
Once again, you are incorrect.  Liberty did not ban the college Dems from campus.  Liberty will not allow the college Democrats to use the school's name or receive any student funding (which is minimal anyway).  The college Democrats still have their group, and still meet regularly on campus. 
Once again you prove yourself to be a brain-washed zombie douchetard. :-*  DO NOT THROW AWAY YOUR MONEY ON THIS WASTE OF REAL ESTATE THEY CALL A LAW SCHOOL.  Unless you enjoy six figure debt and next to no employment prospects.  In that case feel free to throw your life away in this turd hole.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Julie Fern on June 22, 2009, 05:55:59 AM
That's because most of it is password protected now, Sam. You can verify that by clicking the links on the first few pages of this thread. The list of prohibitions and sactions on page two of this thread is a direct copy and paste.

Regarding individual choice of where to attend law school and ABA accreditation, I totally agree with you. But these people are screaming to be made fun of. It will only do them good by feeding their thirst for persecution.
I could see why they would want to do that but that said am I supposed to just take peoples word for it that these things are on the site? Liberty may deserve to be made fun of a bit but I don't think they deserve to have un-verified information about their school circulated on the internet.

Also, looking over their sexual misconduct clause again I did notice that along with banned actions normally considered sexual harassment it included pre-marital sex. I wonder if that's actually enforced dam that could be awful.


you should see penalty for abortions at dances.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on June 24, 2009, 05:20:43 PM
Once again, you are incorrect.  Liberty did not ban the college Dems from campus.  Liberty will not allow the college Democrats to use the school's name or receive any student funding (which is minimal anyway).  The college Democrats still have their group, and still meet regularly on campus. 

Sounds like they're certainly discriminating against Ds, unless they strong arm Rs as hard, which I doubt.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: mjh0111 on July 05, 2009, 07:46:28 PM
I already posted these next two posts on another thread (virtually same content), but whatever ...  ;)

With all due respect to Matlock, I would highly recommend Liberty University School of Law. I doubt you will get a better education than the one Liberty has to offer at even many T2 schools.

In the two years that I have spent there thus far, I have been very impressed by the breadth and depth of experience that the faculty bring to the table (and actually apply to classroom situations at least once a week). I have also been impressed with the breadth and depth of treatment of the subject matter in each classroom. Liberty intentionally has its students spend 20 percent more time in class (one hour) than virtually all other ABA-accredited institutions (50 minutes) in order to increase the treatment of the subject matter.

In addition, the Lawyering Skills program is unparalleled, and in fact is being emulated by several other law schools, including Washington & Lee University. I have accomplished, and gotten high marks on, more directly practice-related projects than you can shake an appellate brief at. Let me give you a small sampling of our graded assignments, all of which stem from required courses: interrogatories, a 40-page LLC operating agreement, depositions (taking and defending), negotiations, a contract for the sale of goods, a motion in limine, a statute, and a subpoena duces tecum. And that is just scratching the surface.

Matlock, I think you should know that TO AN INDIVIDUAL, every single member of every single ABA site team that has visited our institution has been astounded with the quality of every single aspect of our law school, from the law review to the law library to the classroom setting to the facilities. For you to pejoratively call LU School of Law a "black mark," a "brain washing hell hole," and a "waste of real estate" is to exhibit both your poor judgment/taste and your virtual ignorance of the facts for the entire LSD community to see ... not to mention your extremely xenophobic and hateful attitude towards conservative Christians.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: mjh0111 on July 05, 2009, 07:47:30 PM
For Exhibit A on Matlock's virtual ignorance of the facts, see his statement that Liberty is "still dealing with provisional ABA accreditation" on a separate thread. For your information, LU received provisional accreditation faster than any ABA-accredited law school in the history of ABA-accredited law schools, which was 18 months. Going by sheer mathematics, the soonest that ANY institution could be granted full accreditation is a full four years after provisional accreditation, which would translate to April 2010. As LULAW1982 rather ineloquently pointed out, we have an ABA site team coming in the fall. Based on our track record and future projections, LU is a virtual shoo-in for full accreditation. And as you must know, oh wise Matlock, there is no difference between provisionally accredited schools and fully accredited schools, except fully accredited schools are permitted to engage in night school programs, joint degree programs (e.g., JD/MBA), and LL.M. programs. Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't know that, Matlock? Maybe you should check your facts the next time you begin to make overblown and unwarranted generalizations.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: mjh0111 on July 05, 2009, 07:52:39 PM
And two more things:

(1) Now NO political group is "sponsored" by Liberty University - Rs, Ds, Libertarians, or any other political persuasion. Political groups of all stripes will not receive any funds from the school, but may still coordinate with the school for classroom space for their events. Thus, the College Democrats are now back on line ... they just have to raise their own support, just like everyone else.

(2) For this summer, I, a student from Liberty University School of Law, got a job at a highly regarded mid-size law firm in downtown Denver making $1,000/week. I would like to know how many of the other posters on this thread are currently enjoy comparable employment situations. My estimate is virtually none.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: legalized on July 06, 2009, 12:03:39 PM
Dear All,

Me and many of my friends spent a little time at the Liberty University School of Law in Lynchburg Virginia. DO NOT APPLY THERE.  My opinion is that you will be lied to during the admission process worse than that of a cheap salesman. You will be indoctrinated worse than a branch davidian. You will hate the law and your life. I went there during there initial process and I had to get out, after wasting two semesters. Trust me, whether you are Christian or not, that place is wicked and bad. I have proof for all of my assertions. It has been on my heart for a very long time now to actually come back to these boards and warn people. I used to go to lsd.org years ago for advice on where to apply.  Now I want to help others.  The place is a non-accredited mess.  If you are a good Christian person and want to go to a Christian school, PLEASE do not go here. It will shake your faith in the organized church. My heart goes out to you, but please learn the lesson that my and about 20 of my friends learned too late: DO NOT APPLY OR GO OR EVEN THINK ABOUT GOING TO THE LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW.  If you are considering Liberty, please contact me and let me talk you out of it. God bless.

lol I already knew from morning that any one/thing/place located in somewhere with the name LYNCH is NOT my speed at ALL.

But I wonder how the poster I read that said they don't consider any school that mixes law and religion would view Catholic University...they are in the top 100 (barely) from what I remember of the rankings...and they are, well, Catholic, right?

All the same why did OP's analysis of options and best bets for her money not immediately rule out a law school that is not accredited?  That makes no sense.  ABA site allows you to check the bar passage rates and the 9-month job placement rates as well as a host of other things to determine the schools that best match your needs/wants...the fact that there is basically only Liberty's word to take for it because they are not in the ABA Guide would be a big Do Not Enter sign for me.

I don't get into anything I can't find out a ton of 3rd party information on.  Learned my lesson on that blind "take the horse's word for what comes out of its mouth" thing too many times.

I am sorry something connected with religion (particularly Christianity) didn't pan out in such a strongly negative way though.  Always makes the religion as a whole look bad.

Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 06, 2009, 06:35:47 PM
For Exhibit A on Matlock's virtual ignorance of the facts, see his statement that Liberty is "still dealing with provisional ABA accreditation" on a separate thread. For your information, LU received provisional accreditation faster than any ABA-accredited law school in the history of ABA-accredited law schools, which was 18 months. Going by sheer mathematics, the soonest that ANY institution could be granted full accreditation is a full four years after provisional accreditation, which would translate to April 2010. As LULAW1982 rather ineloquently pointed out, we have an ABA site team coming in the fall. Based on our track record and future projections, LU is a virtual shoo-in for full accreditation. And as you must know, oh wise Matlock, there is no difference between provisionally accredited schools and fully accredited schools, except fully accredited schools are permitted to engage in night school programs, joint degree programs (e.g., JD/MBA), and LL.M. programs. Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't know that, Matlock? Maybe you should check your facts the next time you begin to make overblown and unwarranted generalizations.

They are still "dealing with provisional accreditation". If they're provisionally accredited, then they're still dealing with the accreditation process, regardless of how fast they got it or when they can get full accreditation. Perhaps a better understanding of the language would help here.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 06, 2009, 06:37:21 PM
And two more things:

(1) Now NO political group is "sponsored" by Liberty University - Rs, Ds, Libertarians, or any other political persuasion. Political groups of all stripes will not receive any funds from the school, but may still coordinate with the school for classroom space for their events. Thus, the College Democrats are now back on line ... they just have to raise their own support, just like everyone else.

(2) For this summer, I, a student from Liberty University School of Law, got a job at a highly regarded mid-size law firm in downtown Denver making $1,000/week. I would like to know how many of the other posters on this thread are currently enjoy comparable employment situations. My estimate is virtually none.

Firm?
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: mjh0111 on July 06, 2009, 09:48:34 PM
I am a summer associate at Hall & Evans, L.L.C., one of the best appellate firms in the state of Colorado. Appellate work is only a small portion of the firm's practice.

P.S. Just noticed a grammar mistake in my post.  :-\ The word "enjoy" in point "(2)" should be changed to "enjoying." I take it personally whenever I see a mistake in something I have written.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matthies on July 07, 2009, 02:18:25 PM
I am a summer associate at Hall & Evans, L.L.C., one of the best appellate firms in the state of Colorado. Appellate work is only a small portion of the firm's practice.

P.S. Just noticed a grammar mistake in my post.  :-\ The word "enjoy" in point "(2)" should be changed to "enjoying." I take it personally whenever I see a mistake in something I have written.

Never heard of them. But thatís not surprising there are a lot of firms in Denver I never heard about before. Enjoy your stay itís a great state. Although coming from Liberty Colorado Springs might be more your style  :P
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 07, 2009, 02:51:19 PM
I am a summer associate at Hall & Evans, L.L.C., one of the best appellate firms in the state of Colorado. Appellate work is only a small portion of the firm's practice.

P.S. Just noticed a grammar mistake in my post.  :-\ The word "enjoy" in point "(2)" should be changed to "enjoying." I take it personally whenever I see a mistake in something I have written.

Never heard of them. But thatís not surprising there are a lot of firms in Denver I never heard about before. Enjoy your stay itís a great state. Although coming from Liberty Colorado Springs might be more your style  :P

Ain't that the damn truth.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matthies on July 07, 2009, 03:40:53 PM
I am a summer associate at Hall & Evans, L.L.C., one of the best appellate firms in the state of Colorado. Appellate work is only a small portion of the firm's practice.

P.S. Just noticed a grammar mistake in my post.  :-\ The word "enjoy" in point "(2)" should be changed to "enjoying." I take it personally whenever I see a mistake in something I have written.

Never heard of them. But thatís not surprising there are a lot of firms in Denver I never heard about before. Enjoy your stay itís a great state. Although coming from Liberty Colorado Springs might be more your style  :P

Ain't that the damn truth.

Iím guessing our friend from Liberty missed the gay pride parade down Colfax Sunday. Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county. Whoíd of thunk? The Dykes on Bikes was pretty cool this year about 100 of them although I could have done without seeing Mr. Leather Bear 2009 in spiked codpiece, but you take the good with the bad I guess. Wholesome family entrainment Denver style.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: nealric on July 07, 2009, 07:02:58 PM
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(2) For this summer, I, a student from Liberty University School of Law, got a job at a highly regarded mid-size law firm in downtown Denver making $1,000/week. I would like to know how many of the other posters on this thread are currently enjoy comparable employment situations. My estimate is virtually none.

I'm making biglaw market. But good for you.

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(1) Now NO political group is "sponsored" by Liberty University - Rs, Ds, Libertarians, or any other political persuasion. Political groups of all stripes will not receive any funds from the school, but may still coordinate with the school for classroom space for their events. Thus, the College Democrats are now back on line ... they just have to raise their own support, just like everyone else.

So what was the story then? Did LU also strip the pubs of official sanction at the same time? I assume they were not sanctioning the dems exclusively.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: H4CS on July 07, 2009, 07:23:18 PM
Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county. Whoíd of thunk?

Certainly not people who think accurately.  There's just absolutely no way this claim is true.  It's a cool expression of civic pride, but let's be realistic here.  I'd imagine the local media was tripping over itself with self-congratulations with an attendance nearing 100,000 people.  Which is great and all, but let's contextualize.  New York, San Fransisco, LA, Chicago, DC, Boston will all have at least three or four times as many people as Denver, each of them easily clearing 300k people (maybe not DC, but it's close).  I'd expect Miami to soundly beat Denver as well under normal conditions.  But keep up the good work anyway.  And for @#!*'s sake, do not apply to liberty university school of law under any conditions.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matthies on July 08, 2009, 05:14:22 AM
Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county. Whoíd of thunk?

Certainly not people who think accurately.  There's just absolutely no way this claim is clue.  It's a cool expression of civic pride, but let's be realistic here.  I'd imagine the local media was tripping over itself with self-congratulations with an attendance nearing 100,000 people.  Which is great and all, but let's contextualize.  New York, San Fransisco, LA, Chicago, DC, Boston will all have at least three or four times as many people as Denver, each of them easily clearing 300k people (maybe not DC, but it's close).  I'd expect Miami to soundly beat Denver as well under normal conditions.  But keep up the good work anyway.  And for @#!*'s sake, do not apply to liberty university school of law under any conditions.

I think by "biggest" they mean "biggest parade" as in longest, its like 3 hours from start to finish
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: H4CS on July 08, 2009, 09:17:15 AM
I think by "biggest" they mean "biggest parade" as in longest, its like 3 hours from start to finish

Well, this is just weird.  I mean, why not choose any arbitrary metric?  Kansas City has the fourth largest parade (as measured by the participation rate of residents of the three closest counties, excluding those under 14 and over 75).

And besides, I take it you're not planning on running for city counsel on this slogan: Come to Leisurely Denver, home of the third slowest gays in the country!  Then again, if you did I'd vote for you.  Twice.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matthies on July 08, 2009, 09:44:56 AM
I think by "biggest" they mean "biggest parade" as in longest, its like 3 hours from start to finish

Well, this is just weird.  I mean, why not choose any arbitrary metric?  Kansas City has the fourth largest parade (as measured by the participation rate of residents of the three closest counties, excluding those under 14 and over 75).

And besides, I take it you're not planning on running for city counsel on this slogan: Come to Leisurely Denver, home of the third slowest gays in the country!  Then again, if you did I'd vote for you.  Twice.

Its takes awhile for all those lesbines to ride thier harleys by at 2 MPH, then come the ones on scooters, I swear the bigger the leisbien the smaller the bike
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matlock!!!! on July 08, 2009, 02:46:30 PM
And two more things:

(1) Now NO political group is "sponsored" by Liberty University - Rs, Ds, Libertarians, or any other political persuasion. Political groups of all stripes will not receive any funds from the school, but may still coordinate with the school for classroom space for their events. Thus, the College Democrats are now back on line ... they just have to raise their own support, just like everyone else.

(2) For this summer, I, a student from Liberty University School of Law, got a job at a highly regarded mid-size law firm in downtown Denver making $1,000/week. I would like to know how many of the other posters on this thread are currently enjoy comparable employment situations. My estimate is virtually none.
Well congrats!  Even a blind hog finds an acorn once in a while.  Just be sure to report back to all us devil worshiping heathens the full employment data you get from your class.  I'll give you the minimum 9 months past graduation.  I'm sure we'll all get a kick out of it if we're not too busy separating embryonic stem cells or sorting through our vast array of anal butt plugs.

Hope you had a WONDERFUL Gay Pride Week!  Just try to remember this motto in life sweetheart, "What would Jesus do?".

Hugs.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 11, 2009, 06:49:15 AM
...

many decided to attend the school for reasons other than its religious affiliation.

...         

I suspect the religious affiliation of the school matters little if at all to most people that end up there...
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: scrabble75 on July 18, 2009, 01:52:41 AM
....... Furthermore, a substantial amount of the students are liberals (including myself) and many decided to attend the school for reasons other than its religious affiliation.

Really? Are you certain? A substantial number of liberally minded students would bypass dozens of law schools, liberal meccas to attend a provisionally accredited law school in the rural south? 

That they would decided to attend to reasons other than its religious affiliation? This is beyond logic.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: scrabble75 on July 18, 2009, 02:02:36 AM
...

many decided to attend the school for reasons other than its religious affiliation.

...         

I suspect the religious affiliation of the school matters little if at all to most people that end up there...

Totally not true.

Take a look at the book written by the immersion journalist Kevin Roose who spent a year there- granted he was an undergraduate transfer, he captured to culture of the school as a whole.

Liberty is affiliated with Jerry Falwell's Baptist Church, his son is president of the school and a guy named Matt Staver is the Dean of the law school.

Most importantly, Matt Staver leads an ultra conservative, right wing public interest law firm called Liberty Counsel. Naturally, abortion, school prayer, etc is the center of their efforts.

The culture of Christianity is very strong, I can assure you.

So again, why on earth would a liberally minded student choose Liberty University Law School over the dozens of other schools available.

 



Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 18, 2009, 05:28:59 AM
Okay, so 'little if at all' is an overstatement on his part, but the fact that the institution is batshit crazy doesn't necessarily mean that every (or even most?) students there are.

Agree it was probably an overstatement. Really I was just trying to backhandedly say most students probably pick the school because their numbers basically require them too, not because it's their first choice or the christian aspect really appeals to them or anything like that.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: scrabble75 on July 18, 2009, 10:36:02 AM
Agreed.

I just wish people would spend more time researching their choice of school and see they're getting into.

I can't imagine investing 3 years of my life and nearly $100,000 unless I had complete and totaly certainty what I was getting into.

Consider this little nugget that I found in someone's review of Liberty:

Please let me start by saying I was a great Christian going into Liberty. After I left I was scarred both physically, mentally, and religiously forever by they things I saw and my experiences in this school. The only thing good about this school are the teachers and the friends that I made. My time at LU was akin to going to a military school. Please don't think that anyone cares about you or who you are if you attend this school. All they want is money and "christian" fame. They pride themselves on christian worldview but it is mainly just right-wing, unproved, biased hogwash. I was told as I woman that my main job in life was to serve my husband and have no other goals than childbearing. I was crushed. They have a type of police that live in the dormitory halls that are called RA's -- their main job is to suck all the fun and joy out of your life. You are always being watched, criticized, and judged. who else do you know that goes to church 6 times a week?

I was at a rough place in my life when i attended LU and I was pushed through the disciplinary system so exhaustively I might as well have been in chinese prison for 3 years. I ended up with over 500$ dollars in reprimand fines (like I said--all they want is money) for staying at a same sex (not even a boys) friends night with out the much needed RA "permission".

Liberty keeps files on every singe student. People are try to befriend you and act like your mentors are actually allowed to go into these files and write thier opinions of you. Its like a facebook "what do you think of me" file.

They act all high and mighty. as my final straw instead of kicking me out a dean told me oh so sweetly that I "just didn't belong at liberty university anymore". That was after she interrogate me during finals week for 4 hours, put me in her car against my will and made me under duress drive to my friends house to turn him in also and therefore ruin his future for staying at the school. I was such a mess I had no idea what to do and I slashed a 5 inch gash on my arm like a total emo kid and she didn't even care. She said I deserved it and that I would be punished by GOD.

If you are a student and ANYTHING happens to you. Please remember that they are a university not a police force. YOU never, ever, ever have to talk to them. You can do to your dean's meeting and just sit there. They have no control over you. I wish someone has told me that. It would have saved me so much anguish and agony. They have no mercy and they always think the worst of you even if you are innocent.

Please, do not go to this school. I have been to 4 colleges and although Liberty was better than other ones I promise you, it is a type of cult and if you don't belong it can cause physiological and emotional scars that may never heal.

To this day, almost 3 years after my liberty experience. I still pray that the dean who interrogated and abused me will be judged in the end, that her marriage will fail,and everything that she holds dear be taken away because when she kicked me out of liberty she took away some of my dearest friends and I will never forgive her for that. I will never forgive her for not treating me as a person, for not respecting me, for using her authority to do unauthorized and illegitimate things to me. Please do not give your money to this school.


Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 20, 2009, 02:11:20 PM
Agreed.

I just wish people would spend more time researching their choice of school and see they're getting into.

I can't imagine investing 3 years of my life and nearly $100,000 unless I had complete and totaly certainty what I was getting into.

Consider this little nugget that I found in someone's review of Liberty:

Please let me start by saying I was a great Christian going into Liberty. After I left I was scarred both physically, mentally, and religiously forever by they things I saw and my experiences in this school. The only thing good about this school are the teachers and the friends that I made. My time at LU was akin to going to a military school. Please don't think that anyone cares about you or who you are if you attend this school. All they want is money and "christian" fame. They pride themselves on christian worldview but it is mainly just right-wing, unproved, biased hogwash. I was told as I woman that my main job in life was to serve my husband and have no other goals than childbearing. I was crushed. They have a type of police that live in the dormitory halls that are called RA's -- their main job is to suck all the fun and joy out of your life. You are always being watched, criticized, and judged. who else do you know that goes to church 6 times a week?

I was at a rough place in my life when i attended LU and I was pushed through the disciplinary system so exhaustively I might as well have been in chinese prison for 3 years. I ended up with over 500$ dollars in reprimand fines (like I said--all they want is money) for staying at a same sex (not even a boys) friends night with out the much needed RA "permission".

Liberty keeps files on every singe student. People are try to befriend you and act like your mentors are actually allowed to go into these files and write thier opinions of you. Its like a facebook "what do you think of me" file.

They act all high and mighty. as my final straw instead of kicking me out a dean told me oh so sweetly that I "just didn't belong at liberty university anymore". That was after she interrogate me during finals week for 4 hours, put me in her car against my will and made me under duress drive to my friends house to turn him in also and therefore ruin his future for staying at the school. I was such a mess I had no idea what to do and I slashed a 5 inch gash on my arm like a total emo kid and she didn't even care. She said I deserved it and that I would be punished by GOD.

If you are a student and ANYTHING happens to you. Please remember that they are a university not a police force. YOU never, ever, ever have to talk to them. You can do to your dean's meeting and just sit there. They have no control over you. I wish someone has told me that. It would have saved me so much anguish and agony. They have no mercy and they always think the worst of you even if you are innocent.

Please, do not go to this school. I have been to 4 colleges and although Liberty was better than other ones I promise you, it is a type of cult and if you don't belong it can cause physiological and emotional scars that may never heal.

To this day, almost 3 years after my liberty experience. I still pray that the dean who interrogated and abused me will be judged in the end, that her marriage will fail,and everything that she holds dear be taken away because when she kicked me out of liberty she took away some of my dearest friends and I will never forgive her for that. I will never forgive her for not treating me as a person, for not respecting me, for using her authority to do unauthorized and illegitimate things to me. Please do not give your money to this school.




Well, that's about the quality of writing I'd expect from a Liberty student.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: IPFreely on July 21, 2009, 08:47:30 PM
Iím guessing our friend from Liberty missed the gay pride parade down Colfax Sunday. Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county.
You have three gay pride parades in just your one county??
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 22, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
Iím guessing our friend from Liberty missed the gay pride parade down Colfax Sunday. Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county.
You have three gay pride parades in just your one county??

I mean, it is Denver... ;)
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Matthies on July 22, 2009, 01:14:51 PM
Iím guessing our friend from Liberty missed the gay pride parade down Colfax Sunday. Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county.
You have three gay pride parades in just your one county??

I mean, it is Denver... ;)

 Aurorua has there own parade, I bet that's just a train wreck on wheels
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on July 22, 2009, 02:59:18 PM
Iím guessing our friend from Liberty missed the gay pride parade down Colfax Sunday. Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county.
You have three gay pride parades in just your one county??

I mean, it is Denver... ;)

 Aurorua has there own parade, I bet that's just a train wreck on wheels

Sans the wheels, that describes most of Aurora in my experience.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: jollyrog on August 17, 2009, 04:24:29 PM
Iím guessing our friend from Liberty missed the gay pride parade down Colfax Sunday. Itís the third largest gay pride parade in the county.
You have three gay pride parades in just your one county??

I mean, it is Denver... ;)

Oh, so Aurora's improved? I moved away from Denver 20 years ago and thought I was going to need to wear a flak jacket to get out of the parking lot at Hinkley HS after a track meet. And THAT was in 1978!
 Aurorua has there own parade, I bet that's just a train wreck on wheels

Sans the wheels, that describes most of Aurora in my experience.
Title: Re: DO NOT APPLY TO LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW
Post by: Ninja1 on August 18, 2009, 10:26:14 PM

Oh, so Aurora's improved? I moved away from Denver 20 years ago and thought I was going to need to wear a flak jacket to get out of the parking lot at Hinkley HS after a track meet. And THAT was in 1978!
 Aurorua has there own parade, I bet that's just a train wreck on wheels

That still pretty well describes some of the shittier parts of Aurora in my experience. Don't know about Hinkley HS in particular, but there are definitely some parts of Aurora that I wouldn't feel cool in after dark unless I was in an Abrams.