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Title: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: amygem on January 20, 2006, 12:03:16 PM
Does this ever happen? You get a fairly high score on a diagnostic test, or even repeated practice tests, and then bomb the real thing?
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Mr Shears on January 20, 2006, 03:28:41 PM
This is exactly the situation of which I am terried.
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Post by: Mr Shears on January 20, 2006, 04:35:56 PM
Frick.
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Post by: as436 on January 20, 2006, 05:12:41 PM
october cancel --> 177 kaplan diagnostic --> 168 december lsat
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Post by: Mr Shears on January 20, 2006, 05:20:12 PM
That sucks dude.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: as436 on January 21, 2006, 09:41:48 AM
yea these new scales are ridiculous.. i got a 91 raw score proally would have been a 171-173 on an older test and i thought the test was harder than usual too
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: "V" on January 23, 2006, 11:42:32 PM
I dropped 2 points from normal - and part of it was due to a 100 question lsat instead of a 101. It would have been a free question dammit!

But no, I came pretty near my testing, and since I hear scales are getting tougher, a 2 point drop seems pretty acceptable.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: tobias on January 24, 2006, 02:58:32 PM
Hi,

My practice tests had been in the range of 163-167. I took the test, completely panicked on the first section and actually had time issues that I had NEVER had before on two of the sections. I completely forgot every game strategy that I had painstakingly learned and ended up staring at two of the games like an idiot for at least five minutes apiece, then guessing (and not guessing too brilliantly either - I should have found the fact that I did not get a single "A" suspicious  ::)) I agonized for nine days over whether or not to cancel my score, and then for the next two weeks was sure I had made the wrong decision. I ended up with a 161 which was better than the sub 155 (or even 150) score I was anticipating, but I know I could have been in my range if I hadn't let nerves get the better of me. Anyway, point being I think nerves probably affect a lot of people who end up dropping and I'm not sure of any specific techniques, but  learning how to stay cool and collected is more important than I thought (because I foolishly thought, that's how I normally am, why should the morning of Dec 5 be different from any other morning...IT IS), so keep that it mind. Good luck!
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Mr Shears on January 25, 2006, 08:22:01 PM
Yeah, I have a big fear of getting freaked out before the exam.  When I have to do something real important on a day, I usually get real anxious the closer it gets, and then as soon as it starts I chill out.  Hopefully, that will happen and I'll be fine.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Kittyl30 on February 02, 2006, 12:54:57 AM
if it gives anyone hope, i am one of the few who scored higher than practice..by a few points which i think made a big difference..
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Karl Pilkington on February 02, 2006, 09:38:40 AM
My preptest average was 170, and the highest I scored was 174, which was my last practice before the Oct. test. I ended up with 173 on the real thing.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: latinlord on April 01, 2006, 06:09:42 PM
I was scoring in the low 150's before I took the test. The more exams I took the better the score got. I think if I had more time I could have done better. I always had time issues on the exam just as I did on the real thing. The thing that got me the most was my nerves. The only enemy is truly yourself when it comes to things like this. Oh yea as you all probibly know I ended up with a 144 and that was the second time I took that exam. My first score was rediculous in the 130's.  :P :o :-\
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: plaintext on April 01, 2006, 06:30:13 PM
about 10-15 points lower than the diagnostic averages (was coming out of a cold, but not quite there) ..  about 8-12 points lower than a likely score I cancelled.

moral of the story... don't be a feminine hygiene product like me.. only cancel if you *bomb* and not because you did slightly worse.  anyway, i have a soft spot in my heart for others with lsat pain  :D
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: laurrk on April 01, 2006, 07:25:14 PM
I took about 28 practice tests over a three month period before the real thing. One of the reasons I took so many practice tests was to ensure that I felt completely prepared and did not bomb the real thing due to nerves.

Over that three month time period I worked through PowerScore's Logic Games Bible and their Logical Reasoning book. My scores went from the 161-164 range up to 170-174 range near the end. In the end I got a 168, which was basically my median/mean (the two were very close) from the last ten or so practice tests that I took. And yes, I am a geek for crunching those numbers. But the point is, while I did not do as well as my best practice tests, a large number of practice tests did predict my actual score.

One other thing, the night before the real test my neighbors had a wild party and I was both unable to get to sleep when I wanted to (early) and unable to sleep through (they woke me up around 4AM). So I went to the test feeling very sleep-deprived.  During the test I was sure that I bombed it, particularly the logical reasoning portion, which I barely finished in time. I think that having done so much practice was vey helpful to me in my sleep-deprived state. So I would recommend to others that they take as many practice tests as necessary to feel very, very confident going in, and so that they are not thrown off by something like a poor night's sleep the night before. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Mr. Pink on April 01, 2006, 07:47:56 PM
168 isnt BOMBING the test.  I you had gotten less than 162 after testing as high as 174, I would understand.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: laurrk on April 01, 2006, 07:53:59 PM
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168 isnt BOMBING the test.  I you had gotten less than 162 after testing as high as 174, I would understand.

I was very happy with my score. I never expected to do as well on the real thing as on my highest practice test.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: as436 on April 01, 2006, 08:08:46 PM
i was averaging in the low 170s.. mid 170s towards the end.. got a 168 at the end.. i wasnt happy even if thats a solid score... its all relative
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Lionel Hutz on April 01, 2006, 09:23:42 PM
i was averaging in the low 170s.. mid 170s towards the end.. got a 168 at the end.. i wasnt happy even if thats a solid score... its all relative

Yep. People won't give you much sympathy, though. No one seems to get why I was let down by my score.

I peaked at 173 and averaged 169. I ended up with a 166.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: as436 on April 01, 2006, 11:39:47 PM
yea... and the difference between a 168 and a 173 is soo big in terms of admissions.. even between a 168 and 169.. bet u i dont get rejected from u of c or uva with a 169
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Lionel Hutz on April 02, 2006, 08:24:18 AM
In terms of admits and scholarship $$$!

And I really needed the lsat to offset a hideous GPA.
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Post by: Sweet Tea on April 02, 2006, 10:00:46 AM
I got a 163 on a diagnostic.

I took about 3 more practice tests and went way up from the 163.

After a night with no sleep working on a conference I was presenting that weekend + awful testing conditions + me just not seeing the answer to a logic game, I got a 164.

There are some things you can control -- how prepared you are is one and not having ANY other commitments for the two weeks around the LSAT. And some things you just can't (say, a full marching band parade marching by the building during logic games because a school decided to host the LSAT on their Homecoming?).  Oh well. :)

Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: laurrk on April 02, 2006, 10:47:57 AM
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And some things you just can't (say, a full marching band parade marching by the building during logic games because a school decided to host the LSAT on their Homecoming?).  Oh well.

Did this really happen to you?
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Sweet Tea on April 02, 2006, 10:58:20 AM
N.C. Central.

HBCUs take Homecoming very seriously.
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Post by: UGAfootballfanatic on May 07, 2006, 01:09:49 PM
Averaged 169 on last 10 practice tests, 160 on the real thing. bombed the RC section which was my first section (literally missed half) and had forgotten how bad it was and rationalized myself into keeping the score rather than cancelling. Doh. Too lazy to retest.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Kittyl30 on May 08, 2006, 04:37:24 AM
wow...168 and going to syracuse. im impressed
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: as436 on May 08, 2006, 08:06:55 PM
wow...168 and going to syracuse. im impressed

why do that to yourself... cornell is 45 minutes away
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Post by: some weird girl on May 11, 2006, 08:29:39 PM
I scored a 170 on practice and a 164 on the real thing, I think test day anxiety had a lot to do with it. I'm really thinking about taking the test again.
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: Officer Rod Farva on May 22, 2006, 07:08:48 PM
171 average (took 20+ tests), and 174 on test day.

I feel like I've said this a million times, but I'll say it again here. I went to the testing center and took a test a day everyday for a week up until the day before test day. I took only recent tests.

I saved the October '05 test until 3 days before the test. I knew October was a bear from all the reports I had heard about it. I went in there pretending like I was really taking the LSAT. I got nervous, lost my confidence, and scored a 162.

It was after that experience that I realized that my test performance was going to be linked more to my attitude than to my aptitude. I had prepped, my scores were usually consistent, and I felt like I knew the LSAT pretty well.

After the October test nightmare, I recognized that I had allowed myself to feel all the terror that many people feel on test day 3 days early. It was liberating. Having experienced that nervousness, I was able to let it go. On test day I was free to walk into the testing center with only one half-sharpened pencil, no timer, and a big smile on my face, knowing that I was mentally prepared.

I didn't come up with the above strategy. It came from an excellent LSAT instructor who has been reccomending this method for years. He showed me lots of written testimony regarding his advice, and it was all glowing praise for the method.

I can't reccomend it enough. It's simple and it makes sense. Own the room.

Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: rumcoke on October 18, 2007, 02:31:50 AM
And some things you just can't (say, a full marching band parade marching by the building during logic games because a school decided to host the LSAT on their Homecoming?).  Oh well. :)


Hah, this happened to me too, though fortunately I couldn't really hear it too much in my testing centre.
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Post by: dolemite01 on October 19, 2007, 04:27:13 PM
170s on diagnostic tests, 153 real score....
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Post by: Prog on December 21, 2007, 09:07:41 AM
You're kidding right? Here I am hating myself for getting 5 points less than my average prep test score.

 :-\
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Post by: aaoch1 on December 29, 2007, 07:51:04 PM
I did 3 points better than my best practice LSAT, but a friend of mine dropped like 11 points from his average practice score. I don't think that mental state can be emphasized enough. I don't get nervous for exams, he does. If you tend to get nervous, then I would definitely use the strategies mentioned by other people. I never even thought of taking practice tests in the actual test location! Good luck everyone!
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Post by: bloomlaw on December 30, 2007, 11:50:51 PM
159 on the diagnostic... over 163 from then on, peaking at a 175 with a range of 167-173... 161 on Test day... AAH..

now i'm restudying, in the exact same range.. hope it doesn't have the same result
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: . . . . . . on December 31, 2007, 12:01:59 AM
I went from high 160s, low 170s to 157.
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Post by: !закон и право! on August 19, 2008, 02:08:56 PM
Hey everyone. For all of you who scored well, how many PTs would you say you had to take before reachin your "peak"? (i.e. your highest diag score before the real LSAT). And distributed over how many months/weeks?
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: penni_rose on February 03, 2009, 08:13:25 AM
My highest score was my first practice test, no joke. I took my first practice test without ever studying and got a 168. My other practice tests ranged from 163-167. I got a 167 on test day. I was pretty happy with it, but I had hoped all the studying would bring my score up from the first test.
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Post by: zippyandzap on February 03, 2009, 09:11:55 AM
i was averaging in the low 170s.. mid 170s towards the end.. got a 168 at the end.. i wasnt happy even if thats a solid score... its all relative

I feel for you... I was consistently 171-172 until my last 3 practice tests which were 173, 175, 174.  I scored a 167.  When people asked how I did I generally told them that I didn't score as well as I would have liked, without telling them the actual number.  Anyway, if it makes you feel any better, I scored much higher my 2nd time.
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Post by: dreameca on February 09, 2009, 03:50:38 PM
yea you really shouldnt be nervous taking the LSAT. its a test where being nervous is detrimental to ur score. i blanked out on my logic games section too. and please remember, every section is a new start. first time i took LSAT, i was freaked out by the second section, which turned out to be the experimental section, and i dropped the score. u see a weird section.... let it go~ its probably the experimental. what could really hurt u is to let that kill ur confidence. =] goodluck!
Title: Re: High Diagnostic-->Bomb real test?
Post by: hopeful juris on January 25, 2010, 12:32:58 AM
I did 3 points better than my best practice LSAT, but a friend of mine dropped like 11 points from his average practice score. I don't think that mental state can be emphasized enough. I don't get nervous for exams, he does. If you tend to get nervous, then I would definitely use the strategies mentioned by other people. I never even thought of taking practice tests in the actual test location! Good luck everyone!

Wow I think taking the exam in the testing center is the perfect resolution to my problem since I drop like 20 points on my actual exam. I originally planned to take the exam at home in NYC but I'l take it at my school here at Drexel, so I can feel comfortable. There's no way to find out like what room the actual exam is going to be held in right?
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Post by: catimini on February 14, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
This is exactly what happened to me. I always scored between 167 and 172, went even as far as 178, but then I got 163 on the real test. I took it again and felt worse than after the first, so I had to cancel it. I took it this Feb for the last time, and I am expecting a higher score than the first two. For me, I think the first section made the difference. It's important that you do the first one without panicking. Another thing is that my expectation became much lower before the exam, thus the lower level of stress. But you should also know that my case is definitely exceptional. A great majority of the people I asked told me they got what they expected or even better. I guess I'm a pressure-prone person.