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Title: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 10, 2006, 01:51:29 PM
It makes me feel like kind of a whiney jerk/looser, but I can't help obsessing over Yale's admissions process.  Anyone care to join me?

For example, did anyone else notice that most people who applied by the end of October last year generally got accepted by the end of January, rejected at the end of January/beginning of February, or waitlisted in April?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on January 10, 2006, 03:08:52 PM
I'm definitely joining you in the obsessing-over-Yale thread. I made myself stop checking LSN because the numbers of the people who've been accepted so far are so high. I'm hoping if they reject me they do it at the end of January so I know where I'm going and don't have to worry about it anymore.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on January 10, 2006, 03:17:21 PM
i'll join you as well, su.  what's even sadder is that, because i submitted so late, i have to wait till march or april....yet i'm still being as obsessive as anybody else.  god, march or april?? that is so freaking long...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elc on January 10, 2006, 03:42:13 PM
i'm with you, chombi.  i'm not complete yet, but already obsessing over it.

i have a sort of stupid question about the review process:  do the faculty reviewers get our entire applications, or does the whole packet get you to through faculty review at which point they just read the 250-word essay?  (...if that makes sense.) 

my 250 was not all that great, which is making me extra anxious now.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: lovelovelovenyc on January 10, 2006, 03:47:18 PM
i'm with you, chombi.  i'm not complete yet, but already obsessing over it.

i have a sort of stupid question about the review process:  do the faculty reviewers get our entire applications, or does the whole packet get you to through faculty review at which point they just read the 250-word essay?  (...if that makes sense.) 

my 250 was not all that great, which is making me extra anxious now.

the way i understand it, your file is assigned to three random faculty members.  they rate your file between 1 and 4.  12s are admitted and so are most 11s.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: pass36 on January 10, 2006, 04:35:31 PM
Well, this is sort of off topic, but it is about Yale at least ....

First LSDAS report sent to Yale 12/07, report with final LOR sent 12/16.  Check for application fee sent with signature page 12/04. 

Today, paying bills, notice check to Yale (unlike other schools) has not been cashed.  Have heard nothing from Yale, but haven't really expected to, others on LSN who sent app about the same time aren't reporting complete either.  But strange they are the only ones who haven't cashed the check.  Obviously they don't need the money as bad as some!  Anyone else with similar dates? Or, more worrying, anyone have their checks cashed right away?

Maybe this is their way of saying "keep your money, don't call us, we won't call you...."
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 10, 2006, 04:41:30 PM
i'm with you, chombi.  i'm not complete yet, but already obsessing over it.

i have a sort of stupid question about the review process:  do the faculty reviewers get our entire applications, or does the whole packet get you to through faculty review at which point they just read the 250-word essay?  (...if that makes sense.) 

my 250 was not all that great, which is making me extra anxious now.

They read the whole thing, in whatever order they wish.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on January 10, 2006, 07:45:41 PM
I feel your pain, Su et al.  Over the course of the admissions season, I have developed a serious love/ hate relationship with YLS.  I'm not sure whether I'd prefer a quick and thus relatively less painful rejection or a more drawn-out process which will allow me to delude myself into believing they at least considered me seriously for a second or two.  O, the games yale plays with my heart...   
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 10, 2006, 07:58:21 PM
I'm glad I'm not alone.   :-\

Oh, Yale, why do you torment us so?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 10, 2006, 10:05:28 PM
i will join this thread, though i have to say that the nyu acceptance has taken much of the edge off.   :)

As obsessed as I am with Yale, I think I am more obsessed with finding out what your numbers are!  :'(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: jg983 on January 11, 2006, 01:42:26 AM
Every one of the regular and semi-regular posters on this thread will get in. For every such poster that does not get in, I will buy a drink for all acceptees on this thread at admit day. I'm just that confident.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: nukelaw on January 11, 2006, 04:33:43 AM
Not that it'll help, but I'm willing to withdrawal my application for the benefit of the group if one of you hands over a Harvard acceptance.  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: waterloo on January 11, 2006, 08:45:50 AM
Here's my brand of Yale obsession, which i'm hoping somebody has a strong opinion on, since i'm not whether or not to have one:

i applied in the first handful of days in november, my lsdas report was requested shortly thereafter. nearly 10 weeks later (ie., today), i have no complete notice gracing my inbox. i e-mailed the office lsat (whoa, freud would have a field day with that slip; i'll leave it) week, but haven't heard a peep.

now what?

do i call? is that annoying? or do i just sit back and secretly, rather than overtly, obsess?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: lovelovelovenyc on January 11, 2006, 08:51:01 AM
Give them a call.  When I spoke to the office, they were super nice.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on January 11, 2006, 09:08:02 AM
Every one of the regular and semi-regular posters on this thread will get in. For every such poster that does not get in, I will buy a drink for all acceptees on this thread at admit day. I'm just that confident.

I'll hold you to that :).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: badmammajamma on January 11, 2006, 09:23:02 AM
Corky:
My numbers aren't that high--especially my 3.75. Don't count yourself out. Do you have any soft factors/diversity elements going for you? After reading all the "Teen Jeopardy Champion" and "Rhodes Scholar" stuff on the website, I thought my soft factors were pretty weak, but it worked out.
And my 250 was pretty good but not great.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elc on January 11, 2006, 09:36:26 AM
They read the whole thing, in whatever order they wish.

cool. thanks.  that makes me feel a little better (however irrationally).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 11, 2006, 10:01:32 AM
Every one of the regular and semi-regular posters on this thread will get in. For every such poster that does not get in, I will buy a drink for all acceptees on this thread at admit day. I'm just that confident.

It could be confidence, or it could be a complete lack of confidence.  If no one on this thread gets in, you won't have to buy drinks for anyone.   ;)

JSIA.

On the off chance I get in, I'd happily agree to buying all LSD admits a drink.  Several drinks.  And I'd make you all creme brule/chocolate cake/vegan cookies.  And knit everyone accessories appropriate to the New Haven winter.  That's how happy I'd be.   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elc on January 11, 2006, 10:16:47 AM
Well, this is sort of off topic, but it is about Yale at least ....

First LSDAS report sent to Yale 12/07, report with final LOR sent 12/16.  Check for application fee sent with signature page 12/04. 

Today, paying bills, notice check to Yale (unlike other schools) has not been cashed.  Have heard nothing from Yale, but haven't really expected to, others on LSN who sent app about the same time aren't reporting complete either.  But strange they are the only ones who haven't cashed the check.  Obviously they don't need the money as bad as some!  Anyone else with similar dates? Or, more worrying, anyone have their checks cashed right away?

Maybe this is their way of saying "keep your money, don't call us, we won't call you...."

my LSDAS report was sent 12/5.  i got an email saying it had been received the very next day, but still no "complete."  (i paid the fee online, so i can't help with the check thing...but it doesn't sound like cause for concern.)  waiting, waiting...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on January 11, 2006, 10:25:31 AM
Corky:
My numbers aren't that high--especially my 3.75. Don't count yourself out. Do you have any soft factors/diversity elements going for you? After reading all the "Teen Jeopardy Champion" and "Rhodes Scholar" stuff on the website, I thought my soft factors were pretty weak, but it worked out.
And my 250 was pretty good but not great.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. My soft factors are...umm...I'm a science grad student, a massive ORM, and my diversity statement was about being an immigrant. My 250 was neutral, I think my PS and diversity statement were decently written. At this point I'm just praying :).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: waterloo on January 11, 2006, 10:29:02 AM
Give them a call.  When I spoke to the office, they were super nice.

thanks, lovelove. i just needed a little prodding in one direction or another; alas, a phone call to new haven may as well have been a phone call to a stone wall, since i got about as much info as i would have if i called one.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on January 11, 2006, 10:37:42 AM
Heck, why not...

I'll obsess over Yale with you guys too  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 11, 2006, 10:43:41 AM
Corky:
My numbers aren't that high--especially my 3.75. Don't count yourself out. Do you have any soft factors/diversity elements going for you? After reading all the "Teen Jeopardy Champion" and "Rhodes Scholar" stuff on the website, I thought my soft factors were pretty weak, but it worked out.
And my 250 was pretty good but not great.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. My soft factors are...umm...I'm a science grad student, a massive ORM, and my diversity statement was about being an immigrant. My 250 was neutral, I think my PS and diversity statement were decently written. At this point I'm just praying :).

Your GPA is very good, which is a big plus for you.  So far anyway, Yale seems much more willing to take super-high GPA/highish LSAT than highish GPA/super-high LSAT.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on January 11, 2006, 12:10:24 PM
Your GPA is very good, which is a big plus for you.  So far anyway, Yale seems much more willing to take super-high GPA/highish LSAT than highish GPA/super-high LSAT.

I 100% agree, Su, which is a big reason why I feel like I'm a very long shot there.  My 3.7ish gpa just looks so sad to me when I look at the borderline super-human stats of the current admits.  At the same time, I think there's a good chance you'll be accepted there with a nearly identical gpa, so maybe all this yale obsessing has just turned me into the kind of super-insecure worrier that usually annoys me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 11, 2006, 02:05:01 PM
On the off chance I get in, I'd happily agree to buying all LSD admits a drink.  Several drinks.  And I'd make you all creme brule/chocolate cake/vegan cookies.  And knit everyone accessories appropriate to the New Haven winter.  That's how happy I'd be.   :D

*raises hand*
Won't those of us who aren't getting in need the drink and baked goods more?

It's not that I disagree with that logic, it's just that the logistics would be much trickier.

I will bring cookies to any future LSD meetups, if that helps.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 11, 2006, 02:41:49 PM
On the off chance I get in, I'd happily agree to buying all LSD admits a drink.  Several drinks.  And I'd make you all creme brule/chocolate cake/vegan cookies.  And knit everyone accessories appropriate to the New Haven winter.  That's how happy I'd be.   :D

*raises hand*
Won't those of us who aren't getting in need the drink and baked goods more?

It's not that I disagree with that logic, it's just that the logistics would be much trickier.

I will bring cookies to any future LSD meetups, if that helps.

im holding you to that, su.  :)

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 11, 2006, 03:49:59 PM
On the off chance I get in, I'd happily agree to buying all LSD admits a drink.  Several drinks.  And I'd make you all creme brule/chocolate cake/vegan cookies.  And knit everyone accessories appropriate to the New Haven winter.  That's how happy I'd be.   :D

*raises hand*
Won't those of us who aren't getting in need the drink and baked goods more?

It's not that I disagree with that logic, it's just that the logistics would be much trickier.

I will bring cookies to any future LSD meetups, if that helps.

im holding you to that, su.  :)

I've already promised that, whether I get into yale or not.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on January 11, 2006, 04:00:35 PM
Hmmmm, this is quickly morphing into cookie obsession...


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Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 11, 2006, 04:11:23 PM
Hmmmm, this is quickly morphing into cookie obsession...


Cookies may be less healthy than Yale, but they're far more atainable.  In fact, I have a box of girl scout cookies next to me right now.  Mmmmm... Thin Mints.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 11, 2006, 04:27:13 PM
Mmmm...thin mints. I'm hungry.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 11, 2006, 05:24:28 PM
Pala, I think now we'll HAVE to ply you with obscene amounts of alcohol just so we can hear you sing.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on January 11, 2006, 06:18:28 PM
hey guys; i've been slacking on the posts. To all the Yale hopefuls, I thought this website might interest you

http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html

Its gives a list of schools represented in the class and how many.

It also has some course info, tuition, etc.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on January 11, 2006, 06:20:32 PM
hey guys; i've been slacking on the posts. To all the Yale hopefuls, I thought this website might interest you

http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html

Its gives a list of schools represented in the class and how many.

It also has some course info, tuition, etc.

They are represented by a lot of UGs that I wouldn't have suspected.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ghaleon on January 11, 2006, 07:22:34 PM
hey guys; i've been slacking on the posts. To all the Yale hopefuls, I thought this website might interest you

http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html

Its gives a list of schools represented in the class and how many.

It also has some course info, tuition, etc.

Interesting that there are more Harvard undergrads than Yale undergrads there. And where the heck is Williams College and why do 14 of their alums (same amount as Columbia) go to Yale?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 11, 2006, 07:29:14 PM
Isn't Harvard College a good bit larger than Yale College?

And Williams is a small, elite liberal arts college in MA.  On par with Amherst, Swarthmore, etc.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 11, 2006, 08:53:57 PM
Did anyone else notice there's a guy named Nimrod Kozlovski (Masters grad student) on there?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 11, 2006, 09:21:12 PM
Isn't Harvard College a good bit larger than Yale College?

And Williams is a small, elite liberal arts college in MA.  On par with Amherst, Swarthmore, etc.

titcr - on both points!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on January 11, 2006, 10:00:34 PM
Anyone remember this? 

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/05/21/yale.explosion/

It's one of those things that just popped up in my mind again.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 11, 2006, 10:29:51 PM
Anyone remember this? 

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/05/21/yale.explosion/

It's one of those things that just popped up in my mind again.

They showed us where it was during our library tour.  Weird.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 11, 2006, 10:31:52 PM
Wow.  I didn't really believe my pre-law advisor when she said that virtually all of Penn admits to Yale choose Harvard or Stanford instead, but I guess she was right.

Lol.  Must not be that many Penn admits to begin with.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 11, 2006, 10:42:00 PM
Hm, 0/10 seems questionable.  That would be about 1/4 of those who chose not to attend.  If true, that would be a prime area for the admissions people to focus on.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 11, 2006, 10:44:43 PM
I was amazed that someone from my UG made it into Yale, since no one was at Harvard :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: snikrep on January 12, 2006, 12:35:19 AM
hey guys; i've been slacking on the posts. To all the Yale hopefuls, I thought this website might interest you

http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html

Its gives a list of schools represented in the class and how many.

It also has some course info, tuition, etc.

Anybody else not have anybody admitted from their entire STATE!?!  I checked every school I can think of, nothing, nada, zip.

It says that a couple came from this state, but I can't find any from our schools - not surprised, just wish I knew this information 4 or 5 years ago.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 12, 2006, 07:36:05 AM
Hm, 0/10 seems questionable.  That would be about 1/4 of those who chose not to attend.  If true, that would be a prime area for the admissions people to focus on.

That's what I thought.  I'm wondering if some deferred, since I'm not sure how that'd show up on the reports (and since we don't generally make appointments with her once we get accepted). 

Although if they're applying for joint JD/MBAs, turning down YLS makes a great deal of sense.  Yale's an excellent school, just not so much in the business department.

But would all 10 do this?  Is Penn some sort of pre-JD/MBA-producing factory?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on January 12, 2006, 07:45:36 AM
how is deep springs college on that list?  i thought it was a 2-year college that fed its grads into good 4-year programs.  that is, if it's the one i'm thinking of (all dudes, they live on a ranch, etc.)...

yeah i'm surprised by that too. i suppose it's possible they admitted someone straight out from deep springs without requiring that they attend another undergrad institution first, or i suppose it's possible that they wanted to list it there just to increase their list of represented undergraduate institutions. :-) in which case, maybe some of those institutions are represented on the list even though the person who attended them transferred and graduated from a different institution? or maybe just with the special case of deep springs, yls wanted to make sure they included them on the list.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on January 12, 2006, 07:48:08 AM
Isn't Harvard College a good bit larger than Yale College?

And Williams is a small, elite liberal arts college in MA.  On par with Amherst, Swarthmore, etc.

As I recall, HC has 6600 undergrads and YC has 5300. but i could be remembering wrong. so yah, harvard is significantly bigger.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: badmammajamma on January 12, 2006, 07:52:59 AM

Anybody else not have anybody admitted from their entire STATE!?!  I checked every school I can think of, nothing, nada, zip.

It says that a couple came from this state, but I can't find any from our schools - not surprised, just wish I knew this information 4 or 5 years ago.

None from my state, Idaho. None ever from my UG--but it's fairly new.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: tanner9585 on January 12, 2006, 08:01:45 AM
Anybody else not have anybody admitted from their entire STATE!?!  I checked every school I can think of, nothing, nada, zip.

It says that a couple came from this state, but I can't find any from our schools - not surprised, just wish I knew this information 4 or 5 years ago.

If they came from your state, I'm guessing this means they were born there and went to UG somewhere else, but still have residency there.  In OK, for instance, there is 1 person from OU and 1 person from University of Tulsa, but 6 from the state, meaning that 6 total OK residents are going to Yale.  Whether or not the people coming from the state's schools are even residents of that state is unknown, you could conceivably have 5 people from OU with 0 people from Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 12, 2006, 08:55:42 AM
I just find that to be very odd.  Why more Wharton people than SAS people?  And even a minimal amount of research would reveal Yale's grading policy.

Anyway, it's all idle speculation.  Come to Yale and convince future Pennies (?) to come also!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: lovelovelovenyc on January 12, 2006, 09:26:59 AM
2 Nevadans!  Woo-hoo!!!   ;D ;D

No one from my UG.  Not suprising...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 12, 2006, 09:34:07 AM
One person from my undergrad.  Which I suppose is pretty good, considering our size.  I wonder if I know her/him.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on January 12, 2006, 09:47:47 AM
This is a bit off topic, but related to the thread.  What is with Yale's admissions process?  I don't get why applicants are assigned a score of 2, 3, or 4 by each reader.  Why not rank them from 1-80, and use their average score to determine admission?  That way you are less likely to get screwed by one reader you happens to have 35 amazing candidates in their pile.  In such a case you could make up for a 36 by also scoring a 12 and 9.  Under the current system such a candidate would score a 4+4+3= 11 = possible rejection, while under a ranking system they would score a (9+12+36)/3= 19 (<20) = probable admission.

The current system is more likely to reject someone not because of their credentials, but rather because of an unlucky assignment of readers.  Is that obsessive enough for you?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 12, 2006, 09:50:54 AM
JPhil: I don't get your system. Maybe I'm just being really dumb, but, could you explain it a little more?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 12, 2006, 09:52:05 AM
JPhil: Forget it, figured it out. God, I'm slow today.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on January 12, 2006, 09:59:24 AM
This is a bit off topic, but related to the thread.  What is with Yale's admissions process?  I don't get why applicants are assigned a score of 2, 3, or 4 by each reader.  Why not rank them from 1-80, and use their average score to determine admission?  That way you are less likely to get screwed by one reader you happens to have 35 amazing candidates in their pile.  In such a case you could make up for a 36 by also scoring a 12 and 9.  Under the current system such a candidate would score a 4+4+3= 11 = possible rejection, while under a ranking system they would score a (9+12+36)/3= 19 (<20) = probable admission.

The current system is more likely to reject someone not because of their credentials, but rather because of an unlucky assignment of readers.  Is that obsessive enough for you?

you would consider an 11 getting screwed?  an 11 IS a possible rejection, but it's also a probable admission, based on what i've read.  no?

This is true, but the numbers could come out so that you get a 10, while an average of rankings would still be under 20 (say 41, 9, and 9).  This may be unlikely, but the difference between a 10 and 11 is crucial.  Consider an applicant you scores a 4, 3, and 3, but would have been ranked 24, 21, and 9 (average of 18).  This candidate would probably be considered better than one ranked 19,19, and 38, no?  But this person would score an 11, and may be granted admission.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 12, 2006, 10:01:48 AM
The current system is more likely to reject someone not because of their credentials, but rather because of an unlucky assignment of readers.  Is that obsessive enough for you?

I admit I've thought about that too, but then again, how are you going to be placed with a group of yale applicants who got through the first cut and not be in a group full of insanely well qualified people?

The element of luck seems to present itself a lot more with what each reader is going for.  If I happen to get three readers who really value political activism, or who think Yale needs more feminists/lesbians/environmentalists/etc, I've got a nice shot.  If they're more into published articles, high GPAs, or advanced degrees (admittedly the more likely reader type), I'm SOL.

On the other hand, I may not even make it to the faculty review.  And I may never know. 

That thought's gonna fester...  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on January 12, 2006, 10:07:09 AM
This is true, but the numbers could come out so that you get a 10, while an average of rankings would still be under 20 (say 41, 9, and 9).  This may be unlikely, but the difference between a 10 and 11 is crucial.  Consider an applicant you scores a 4, 3, and 3, but would have been ranked 24, 21, and 9 (average of 18).  This candidate would probably be considered better than one ranked 19,19, and 38, no?  But this person would score an 11, and may be granted admission.

okay but how easy is it to put people in such specific ranks?  they probably leave it somewhat vague in order to allow for this.  or maybe not, i don't know i haven't thought about it THAT much.



My guess is that is why they do it like they do.  However, while being easier, it is not the most mericratic way.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 12, 2006, 10:10:58 AM
fair enough compromise though.  these people are yale profs, they're not superhuman or anything.  ;)

Speaking of, I wonder just how closely each prof looks at the file.  I told my parents, who are professors, about the system, and their reaction was that if it were them and their colleagues, full apps would never get read and everybody would pick one element that they cared about to focus on.   :-\

But then again, profs at underfunded state schools probably get overworked more than Yale law profs.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 12, 2006, 10:13:48 AM
I just find that to be very odd.  Why more Wharton people than SAS people?

I'm not really sure.  I thought it was because Wharton was more prestigious, but the more I think about it, the more I think that it's because they have special programs that allow students to look much more interesting on paper.  Let's take Huntsman as an example.  It's a program that allows a joint business/international studies degree that comes complete with a massive scholarship, forces people to become fluent in at least one foreign language and proficient in others, mandates a year of study abroad, and is often accompanied by internships with the CIA, NSA, and State Department.

Very interesting! 

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And even a minimal amount of research would reveal Yale's grading policy.

I think it depends on the kind of research.  When she was advising me, she told me to throw out the viewbooks, normal law school guides, and the USNWR and told me to look at professor bios, student spending, Vault 50 job placement (I never quite sure why she said this to me, the girl who wants to be a law professor, but maybe there was a logic to it), etc.  I suspect she advised other people to do the same thing.

And sadly, by those standards Harvard does with.  Since it has so many more faculty members in general, it has a lot more people focusing on health law.  (Although they don't have Daniel Kelves, who I have to admit, would be a huge lure.)

And this is why I avoided my pre-law advisor and encourage other people to do the same...

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on January 12, 2006, 10:27:20 AM
JPhil: I don't think every candidate is ranked by faculty members. I think some candidates (ie, the ones who were admitted very early) are selected by Megan Barnett for admission and just go to Dean Koh for final approval. Those individuals bypass the faculty rating process (thank God).

I could be wrong, but I think Alci was saying something about this.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 12, 2006, 10:36:59 AM
JPhil: I don't think every candidate is ranked by faculty members. I think some candidates (ie, the ones who were admitted very early) are selected by Megan Barnett for admission and just go to Dean Koh for final approval. Those individuals bypass the faculty rating process (thank God).

I could be wrong, but I think Alci was saying something about this.

This is true.

And I think going to a large scale such as that suggested would lead to even more arbitrariness in the process.  How is one to decide who is a 38 versus a 37?  Or even a 19 vs. a 20?  I think the current scale prevents such arbitrariness.  A prof will likely know the difference between a 3 and a 4.  And especially between a 2 and a 4.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on January 12, 2006, 11:34:03 AM
JPhil: I don't think every candidate is ranked by faculty members. I think some candidates (ie, the ones who were admitted very early) are selected by Megan Barnett for admission and just go to Dean Koh for final approval. Those individuals bypass the faculty rating process (thank God).

I could be wrong, but I think Alci was saying something about this.

This is true.

And I think going to a large scale such as that suggested would lead to even more arbitrariness in the process.  How is one to decide who is a 38 versus a 37?  Or even a 19 vs. a 20?  I think the current scale prevents such arbitrariness.  A prof will likely know the difference between a 3 and a 4.  And especially between a 2 and a 4.

But the difference between a 37 and 38 won't matter much, while the difference between a 3 and a 4 can be crucial.  So even if it is difficult/impossible to accurately rank every application, just getting it close would be better than what they currently use.

JohnGalt, you are right about some people bypassing the full process, but that doesn't really matter for the people who do go through the entire faculty review.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ghaleon on January 12, 2006, 12:01:44 PM
Isn't Harvard College a good bit larger than Yale College?

And Williams is a small, elite liberal arts college in MA.  On par with Amherst, Swarthmore, etc.

titcr - on both points!

What's "titcr"? I haven't been able to figure that one out yet.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on January 12, 2006, 12:05:15 PM
this is the credited response.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ghaleon on January 12, 2006, 12:06:10 PM
this is the credited response.

Ah, thanks.  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on January 12, 2006, 12:57:12 PM
So even if it is difficult/impossible to accurately rank every application, just getting it close would be better than what they currently use.

I thing you'll find that making a system more complicated is very unlikely to reduce arbitrariness.  The weakness in the original system is that two faculty members could conceivably give an application different scores and thus by being sent to a random selection, a degree of randomness might be entered into the overall score an applicant has.

Yet your system guarantees that faculty members will give candidates different scores.  Alcibiades is right, faculty members know the difference between a 3 and a 4 and the arbitrariness is probably rather small.  I'm sure Yale has used dummy applications to standardized rubrics as well as test the stability of the process.   Adding in a centralized ability to double-check the borderlines at the end seems to mitigate this problem further.

I think my system would actually make the process less complicated (instead of ranking people and assigning them a score, you just rank them).  I think we disagree because I am under the impression that the score an applicant receives from a reader is based on their rankings anyway (as in people in the top quarter get a 4, the next quarter get a 3, and the bottom half gets 2s).  If this is in fact how it is done, then it doesn't matter if a reader knows what a 4 should be and what a 3 should be, they can only give out a certain number of each anyway.  They may think that they have 30 applications in their stack that warrant a 4, but they are only allowed to give 4s to 20 of them.  On the other hand they may only have 10 applications that they think warrant a 4, but they still have to give out 20 of them.  If this isn't how it works let me know.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 12, 2006, 01:08:29 PM
I don't think the profs are restricted in that way, although most probably use such a system anyway (except the part about giving out more 4s than they want).  I think the apps that make it through the initial weeding are of such similar quality that, even if you were to allow an 80-point scale (I think that's what you said), most profs would be working within the range of 70 to 80.  So you would likely still end up with a restricted range of possibilities, with arbitrariness being the main differentiating factor in the case in which there are two similar apps and one is rejected while the other admitted.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on January 12, 2006, 04:20:09 PM
Alci,

Didn't too many people come to yale this year? Is yale accepting as many people in their first year class as they normally do?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 12, 2006, 07:18:12 PM
Alci,

Didn't too many people come to yale this year? Is yale accepting as many people in their first year class as they normally do?

Hm, I think at final count, only 1 or 2 more actually enrolled this year than last year.  Lots deferred, though.  So I would imagine they're not accepting as many, but I haven't heard anything official.  We'll see how the waitlists turn out this year.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 13, 2006, 07:26:11 AM
I was just talking to a law prof. at a pretty good school, and she/he said that if I'm choosing between H and Y, virtually every law prof. she/he knows (including one who went to H) would say Y. Since teaching is a possible career choice (and she/he said Y is better even if it isn't), this is pretty interesting information.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 13, 2006, 07:28:36 AM
I was just talking to a law prof. at a pretty good school, and she/he said that if I'm choosing between H and Y, virtually every law prof. she/he knows (including one who went to H) would say Y. Since teaching is a possible career choice (and she/he said Y is better even if it isn't), this is pretty interesting information.

I'm not surprised.  My parents have a laywer friend who's been telling me to go to Yale over and over since she found out I was applying to law school.  I keep trying to explain about having to get in first, but she's not having any of it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 13, 2006, 07:31:02 AM
It's a little surprising to me. I guess I'm still in the international mindset (where H is a MUCH bigger name than Y), so it's weird to find such consensus.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 13, 2006, 07:36:31 AM
It's a little surprising to me. I guess I'm still in the international mindset (where H is a MUCH bigger name than Y), so it's weird to find such consensus.

I'm sort of the opposite; I keep being surprised by how much bigger a name H is than Y in the general public.  But mostly by that I just mean that most of my friends think getting into Harvard must be a bigger deal than getting in anywhere else (hence a lot of, "you got into harvard, how could you not get into yale" "um... very, very easily").
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 13, 2006, 07:43:40 AM
No kidding...when I got the call from Harvard, my mother emailed the news out to the entire country (pretty much). I got calls from relatives I hadn't heard from in YEARS.

When the Y call came, my dad went: "Oh, well, but you already got into Harvard." I think even my siblings don't know.  :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 13, 2006, 07:52:04 AM
you forgot to mention only one term of required classes.  ;)

Damn!  I'd almost forgotten about that!  ::also sighs::
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 13, 2006, 08:05:24 AM
Damn!  I'd almost forgotten about that!  ::also sighs::
                    ^
                    |
                    |
             operative word

;)

I was working to forget it, and I'd nearly managed it, but then you had to go and remind me...   >:(

 ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on January 13, 2006, 09:21:47 AM
Alci,

Didn't too many people come to yale this year? Is yale accepting as many people in their first year class as they normally do?

Hm, I think at final count, only 1 or 2 more actually enrolled this year than last year.  Lots deferred, though.  So I would imagine they're not accepting as many, but I haven't heard anything official.  We'll see how the waitlists turn out this year.

Hey guys, I'm late to the Yale Obsession thread, but here's some useful info.  I asked this very question at an online chat back in November.  An admissions officer (can't remember if it happened to be Megan) confirmed that they would admit the same amount they normally do because each year they find that incoming deferrals tend to match the amount from the previous year.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 13, 2006, 09:26:18 AM
Hey guys, I'm late to the Yale Obsession thread, but here's some useful info.  I asked this very question at an online chat back in November.  An admissions officer (can't remember if it happened to be Megan) confirmed that they would admit the same amount they normally do because each year they find that incoming deferrals tend to match the amount from the previous year.

That's nice to hear anyway.  I wonder if it's true?

I wish Yale weren't so damn awesome.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on January 13, 2006, 09:28:46 AM
Alci,

Didn't too many people come to yale this year? Is yale accepting as many people in their first year class as they normally do?

Hm, I think at final count, only 1 or 2 more actually enrolled this year than last year.  Lots deferred, though.  So I would imagine they're not accepting as many, but I haven't heard anything official.  We'll see how the waitlists turn out this year.

Hey guys, I'm late to the Yale Obsession thread, but here's some useful info.  I asked this very question at an online chat back in November.  An admissions officer (can't remember if it happened to be Megan) confirmed that they would admit the same amount they normally do because each year they find that incoming deferrals tend to match the amount from the previous year.

I'm curious as to whether Mr. Stock's efforts will increase Harvard's yield and reduce Yale's at all.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on January 13, 2006, 09:36:46 AM
It doesn't seem to be working for the people on this board, at least :).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 13, 2006, 09:40:24 AM
It doesn't seem to be working for the people on this board, at least :).

Yeah... The blog is great and all, and talking to Toby was quite persuasive.  I feel a lot better about HLS now than I did when I applied, but I think it influenced me more in the direction of possibly picking HLS over NYU or BU w/ $$, and less in the direction of picking HLS over YLS if given the opportunity.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 13, 2006, 10:51:42 AM
Alci,

Didn't too many people come to yale this year? Is yale accepting as many people in their first year class as they normally do?

Hm, I think at final count, only 1 or 2 more actually enrolled this year than last year.  Lots deferred, though.  So I would imagine they're not accepting as many, but I haven't heard anything official.  We'll see how the waitlists turn out this year.

Hey guys, I'm late to the Yale Obsession thread, but here's some useful info.  I asked this very question at an online chat back in November.  An admissions officer (can't remember if it happened to be Megan) confirmed that they would admit the same amount they normally do because each year they find that incoming deferrals tend to match the amount from the previous year.

I'm not going to contradict Megan...but admissions people aren't exactly known for their directness ;)

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: asdf1234 on January 13, 2006, 04:22:33 PM
I have made a promise to not spend much (if any) time on LSD this semester (although I'll go to a meet up with other LSD admits at the school I attend of course!) but I am killing time at the library waiting for a friend and, well, am Yale obsessed, so I figured I would cheat on my resolution a little...

I am a Penn student too, and it seems what Lily says is (mostly) right:

http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/gradprof/law/law_stats.htm#03

Of the past 8 admits to Yale, only 2 accepted.  Stanford seems to do reasonably well, but took a hit last year.  It seems that Penn students are name whores and love the prospect of dropping the H-bomb.  Maybe its because we have a little chip on our shoulder from everyone assuming we go to Penn State all the time.

This worries me... maybe Yale will be less likely to accept me because the expected yield would be lower?? *waaaaaaaaa*  I think I should send them an application update with a drawing of me at Yale with a bunch of hearts and happy faces and smilies on it and promise I will attend...

Also, Huntsman people get scholarships????  I never knew this!  Damn!!  I was so clueless applying to undergrad!! (I also failed to realize that there would be a huge prestige gap between HYP and everywhere else).


EDIT: it says this is my first post because I deleted the last account (part of my new years resolution sweep) : )
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 17, 2006, 07:20:32 PM
I know I should stop obsessing.

But I can't, so I'm bumping instead.

Anybody have any cures for obsession?  A nice metaphorical bucket of icewater?  Anything?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 17, 2006, 07:26:40 PM
I know I should stop obsessing.

But I can't, so I'm bumping instead.

Anybody have any cures for obsession?  A nice metaphorical bucket of icewater?  Anything?

Firefly.  Oh, wait, that's just swapping. :-\

 :D  I watched Serenity yesterday.  And, yeah, I have a bizarre and somewhat disturbing obsession with Malcolm Reynolds.  But sadly, I'm perfectly capable of maintaining two, and often more, fullblown obsessions at once.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 17, 2006, 07:50:47 PM
Anybody have any cures for obsession?  A nice metaphorical bucket of icewater?  Anything?

there is no cure for obsession, just temporary relief.

There is a cure.  I expect mine to come in a thin envelope in a couple of weeks.

But until then....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 19, 2006, 01:34:34 PM
we should all start worshiping curly and hope her awesomeness rubs off on us.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 19, 2006, 01:38:05 PM
we should all start worshiping curly and hope her awesomeness rubs off on us.

We should.  It beats my current strategy of getting depressed that they rejected me before they actually reject me.   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: snikrep on January 19, 2006, 01:41:26 PM
Yale's job is to keep all the Harvard admits miserable.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 19, 2006, 01:43:44 PM
we should all start worshiping curly and hope her awesomeness rubs off on us.

We should.  It beats my current strategy of getting depressed that they rejected me before they actually reject me.   :D

Yea. What is worse is everyone telling you that you'll DEFINITELY get in and why are you worried about it, as if your grandmother gets to make the admissions decisions. Admission to YLS is practically a lottery.

I wish my grandmother got to make admissions decisions....man I'd be set.... :P ;D ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: curly on January 19, 2006, 02:03:52 PM
we should all start worshiping curly and hope her awesomeness rubs off on us.

Well, originally, I rubbed off of bloomich. So perhaps that's what everyone should do :P.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 19, 2006, 02:05:16 PM
we should all start worshiping curly and hope her awesomeness rubs off on us.

Well, originally, I rubbed off of bloomich. So perhaps that's what everyone should do :P.

I'd rather rub off of you than bloomich..nothing against him...but...uhh yeah ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on January 25, 2006, 07:16:25 AM
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Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 09:37:16 AM
it was nice to celebrate MsHSoL for one day.

now back to the NHSoL obsession...  >:(

 :D

So if LSN is a good predictor, the first YLS dings will be coming by thin envelope next week.  So that's my cheerful thought of the day.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 09:54:10 AM
So if LSN is a good predictor, the first YLS dings will be coming by thin envelope next week.  So that's my cheerful thought of the day.

heh, my harvard ding came today, so i've kind of given up on the NHSoL at this point.  :D

and yet i am still here.  this is going to hurt, but i know it's coming.  :(

Oh, damn!  I'm so sorry!  Those fuckers!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 10:04:21 AM
So if LSN is a good predictor, the first YLS dings will be coming by thin envelope next week.  So that's my cheerful thought of the day.

heh, my harvard ding came today, so i've kind of given up on the NHSoL at this point.  :D

and yet i am still here.  this is going to hurt, but i know it's coming.  :(

Oh, damn!  I'm so sorry!  Those fuckers!

:o

SSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!

(the tobster is watching....)

btw did you see this?  :D

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,52539.0.html

golden.  :)

I did, and that's amazing.  I bet he'll see it too, because either he'll google himself or a friend of his will google him and then let him know.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 10:10:55 AM
which is why you should:

1. never let anyone know what your name is on lsd

2. never post something that might give the impression that you're a tool, even if you're aiming to be cheeky. 

;)

Yeah, I agree with that.  Not that I always follow it.   :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 10:17:21 AM
which is why you should:

1. never let anyone know what your name is on lsd

2. never post something that might give the impression that you're a tool, even if you're aiming to be cheeky. 

;)

Yeah, I agree with that.  Not that I always follow it.   :-\

you've NEVER come off as anything remotely toolish in my opinion.  again, if i were an adcomm, i'd pick you up on the spot based on what i know about you.  i mean come on, i specifically added number 2 for you!  :D

I think sometimes I post things that nobody takes the wrong way because I'm established as at least reasonably nice, but that if someone saw it out of context might not come off so well...  But seriously, if Yale dings me for that, I'd think less of Yale.  Or, actually, I'd assume that they dinged me for actual, legitimate reasons, and would just be a little sad that I'm not cool enough for them.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 10:21:20 AM
Ok, you can tell I'm obsessed by my double posting.

But anyway, I think it's funny that the number of accepted people at Yale on LSN is actually going down.  21 now from a high of 24.

Not that, y'know, I'm keeping track... (There really needs to be an faux-innocent whistling smiley.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 10:33:21 AM
strange that there's not nearly the buzz around megan barnett (that's her name, right?) as there is around toby stock.

I think there are two reasons for that.  a) no blog, b) we know that faculty members do the ratings that make up the bulk of the decisions, and c) for cultural reasons it's a little weirder being obsessed with a woman than being obsessed with a man.  But I think it's more a) than either b) or c).

and i don't think your obsession is all that weird.  if anything it's weird that there aren't MORE obsessed people.

That's my feeling.  I feel like the lone psychotically-obsessed-with-Yale person here.  Which I know can't possibly be true.  On the other hand, I suppose it's possible that I'm the most psychotic, anyway.

I'm hoping it will imbue me with a Pookie-like karmic aura, and get me in.   ;D  'Cause I like living in my own personal fantasy-land...  ::)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 10:41:57 AM
and now i see how you racked all those on-topic posts.  for the record i'm just as obsessed, though the only way i'll get in is if they care about the soft factors a LOT more than harvard does. 

not even a held!  :(

 >:(  Silly Harvard.

But my guess is that Yale really does care about the soft factors a lot more than Harvard.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 10:46:19 AM
But my guess is that Yale really does care about the soft factors a lot more than Harvard.

i guess i'll be the test case.  ;)  i wish i had done more academically.  sigh.  :-\

Me too.  Sigh.

Then again, it kind of makes me thing I might just not be a good match for Yale, much as I'd like to be.  The concept of 3.9+ GPAs still completely, 100% astonishes me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elc on January 26, 2006, 10:57:39 AM
I feel like the lone psychotically-obsessed-with-Yale person here.  Which I know can't possibly be true.

no, you are not alone.  at one point, i looked up the NH area code so i could try to will my phone to show it. (203, btw.)  ...how very embarassing.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on January 26, 2006, 12:39:53 PM
I think the Yale buzz died down because no one's heard anything in a while, so we're not constantly reminded of it. Right now I'm obsessing about Columbia because they've sent out decisions in the last fews days. Once the dings come in (gulp) this thread will be frequented quite a bit more.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 26, 2006, 03:02:51 PM
b) we know that faculty members do the ratings that make up the bulk of the decisions

Only among those forwarded by Megan.  The vast, vast, majority of applicants are rejected outright, and she makes that decision.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 26, 2006, 03:07:47 PM
But my guess is that Yale really does care about the soft factors a lot more than Harvard.

i guess i'll be the test case.  ;)  i wish i had done more academically.  sigh.  :-\

I will be another test case. if they take me, they must be soft.

btw, for obsession, let me just say my heart stopped when I got my complete email...yeah, I know, I *just* got it, I suck *that* much, I know.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on January 26, 2006, 04:12:07 PM
b) we know that faculty members do the ratings that make up the bulk of the decisions

Only among those forwarded by Megan.  The vast, vast, majority of applicants are rejected outright, and she makes that decision.

That's a scary thought.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 26, 2006, 05:02:38 PM
b) we know that faculty members do the ratings that make up the bulk of the decisions

Only among those forwarded by Megan.  The vast, vast, majority of applicants are rejected outright, and she makes that decision.

That's a scary thought.

Yeah, yeah it is.   :'(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 26, 2006, 07:24:49 PM
Wow, I didn't mean to get you guys down!  A lot of people apply to YLS.  She passes on 800-1000 apps.  You're probably in that pile!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 26, 2006, 07:30:18 PM
Wow, I didn't mean to get you guys down!  A lot of people apply to YLS.  She passes on 800-1000 apps.  You're probably in that pile!

What does she base her decision on which apps to pass on?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 26, 2006, 07:34:27 PM
Lol.  Adcomm intuition?  What do any of them use?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 26, 2006, 07:41:29 PM
Lol.  Adcomm intuition?  What do any of them use?

Not sure, hoping you'd have insight ;)

Or just give me the usual "LSAT/GPA"
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 26, 2006, 07:49:24 PM
Nah, LSAT/GPA wouldn't weed out enough people...unless they wanted a class full of people with 3.98+/176+.  Megan went to YLS.  I'm sure she has a good idea of what to look for in a prospective YLS student.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: snikrep on January 26, 2006, 09:01:57 PM
It'd be interesting if Yale decided to become a complete numbers-whore, and basically picked up every 176+/3.9+ candidate out there just to canibalize Harvard's numbers.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 26, 2006, 09:39:18 PM
Uh, I'm probably remembering something incorrectly, but isn't 800-1000 applicants roughly a third of the total pool?

About a fourth to a fifth...they get 4k-5k apps.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 27, 2006, 06:45:08 AM
Everyone is on a first-name basis at Yale 8).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 27, 2006, 07:22:16 AM
Everyone is on a first-name basis at Yale 8).

making the impending ding even more painful.  :D

:-\

I try not to read any of Alcibiades posts.   ;)  j/k...  kinda.

Actually, I've never been madly impressed by the whole first-name-basis concept.  It just never made a difference to me whether I called my profs by their first name or "prof x"; I know it's supposed to change the tenor of the conversation or something, but I just never felt that way.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 27, 2006, 07:31:38 AM
but still everything that i hear about it makes the place sound more appealing.  i think i'm just too enamoured with the place.  he could have said there are blood-sucking vampire bats in all the electrical closets and i would still want to go there more.

wow, i'm sad.  :D

:-\

To be fair, blood sucking vampire bats would be kinda cool.  Plus, I don't think they mostly suck human blood.

But, yeah, as you well know, I'm right there with you.  But I think one of the reasons I'm so enamored of Yale is a bad one; it reminds me a ton of my UG in terms of location and architecture.

I don't know.  I mean, seriously, I love the idea, but the more I think about it the more I think there's really a good chance it would be a bad fit.  I love academics in a lot of ways, and I really think I'll enjoy classes in law school, by in large.  But academia, much as it's appealing in many ways, has never been where my heart is, and that shows on my resume and transcript.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 27, 2006, 07:39:07 AM
and they don't produce ONLY academics, any more than NYU produces ONLY corporate and public interest types.  i still think anyone would be crazy to turn it down. 

::sighs::

:-\

I know, I'm not saying I would turn it down; it's more that when they reject me, I'm going to feel like they have a reasonable point.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 27, 2006, 07:51:08 AM
i just wish they'd send out the first round of dings already.  from what alci said it looks like i'll be in that batch.  :'(

then i will actually link my lsn.  ;)

Now that I've finally trained myself not to click the fake link... thanks.    :-\

And here's what gets me; I figure there have probably been people admitted by now who have been reviewed by faculty, since there have been too many admits even just on LSN to be the "small fraction" that are supposedly admitted by MB.  So the first wave of dings will include both the people who were immediately thrown out, and many of the people who were under 11 in the faculty rating system.  So I'll never know which of those categories I was in.   >:(  It'll be just like that damned tortoise question on the LSAT that I will never know how it was supposed to come out.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 27, 2006, 08:07:32 AM
It does seem like a lot of folks are on LSN.  But then again, last year only 48 people got into yale on LSN...

And it was a question in the reading comp section that got removed.  There was heated debate about what the correct answer was, and I was so convinced that I was right, and we never found out.   >:(  I'm still kinda bitter...

And I've been hoping my LSAT score will at least get my app that far, but with the GPAs that have been getting in thusfar, I'm no longer that confident.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 27, 2006, 08:07:54 AM
but still everything that i hear about it makes the place sound more appealing.  i think i'm just too enamoured with the place.  he could have said there are blood-sucking vampire bats in all the electrical closets and i would still want to go there more.

wow, i'm sad.  :D

:-\

To be fair, blood sucking vampire bats would be kinda cool.  Plus, I don't think they mostly suck human blood.

But, yeah, as you well know, I'm right there with you.  But I think one of the reasons I'm so enamored of Yale is a bad one; it reminds me a ton of my UG in terms of location and architecture.

I don't know.  I mean, seriously, I love the idea, but the more I think about it the more I think there's really a good chance it would be a bad fit.  I love academics in a lot of ways, and I really think I'll enjoy classes in law school, by in large.  But academia, much as it's appealing in many ways, has never been where my heart is, and that shows on my resume and transcript.

I don't really care about academia either (in the near future).  And there are lots of us.  You'll be in good company :).

Lol, and there might be some blood-sucking vampire bats in some of these crevices.  Definitely wouldn't surprise me if there were some in Harkness Tower...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 27, 2006, 08:15:39 AM
your gpa is really not as bad as you think it is.  jsia.

It's not that I really think it's bad, it's just that it's very likely not good enough.  Honestly, I'm just grateful it isn't worse; I really wasn't thinking about law school at all for the first couple of years, and even later I wasn't thinking about it enough to care about my GPA at all (I figured on Northeastern as my reach school with New England and Vermont as my safeties until about a year ago).  So as a "just doing my best because it's interesting" GPA I'm pretty proud of it, in a weird way.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 27, 2006, 08:37:40 AM
at least yours is in the range where people look at your overall and think it makes sense for you to apply to the NHSoL crapshoot.  :D

mine's just embarrasing.  i think people will just say, what is he THINKING?

eh, whatever i'm happy with my two admits and i shouldn't complain.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW DAMMIT!

[/rant]

you want to talk about embarrasing? I bet everyone at yale is laughing over my app...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on January 27, 2006, 08:46:21 AM
I bet they love my app. It's my LSAT score they'll hate.  :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on January 27, 2006, 05:12:07 PM
Alcib, You make it sound like Hogwarts. I want to go now too!


Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 27, 2006, 07:57:29 PM
I bet they love my app. It's my LSAT score they'll hate.  :-\

i'll trade you lsat points for gpa points.

How much will you trade me? ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on January 27, 2006, 08:03:11 PM
I bet they love my app. It's my LSAT score they'll hate.  :-\

i'll trade you lsat points for gpa points.

How much will you trade me? ;)

hmmm, how about six points for .25?

3.68/179?  I'd take that in a heartbeat...although I don't really need six points, give me like 3 for .13?  Then I'd be sitting pretty at 176/3.8  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 28, 2006, 09:13:22 AM
Yeah, I think on some level Chiashu becomes pretty meaningless for Yale.  I mean, 4.0 180 comes out someplace around 60% if I recall correctly.

It's the rest of the package that matters there, much to my sadness.

I just need to keep repeating my new mantra: "It doesn't matter if I don't get into yale.  I don't require Yale to justify my existence.  It doesn't matter if I don't get into yale.  I don't require Yale to justify my existence."
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 28, 2006, 04:00:32 PM
maybe it's somewhat meaningless, but when the number gets low enough, it's got to mean something.

I just need to keep repeating my new mantra: "It doesn't matter if I don't get into yale.  I don't require Yale to justify my existence.  It doesn't matter if I don't get into yale.  I don't require Yale to justify my existence."

and how many times do i have to tell myself before i actually believe it?

It just makes me want to destroy humanity.

i understand this feeling.

Stan, just watch, we will all be there in the fall. Then, you can kill me every day.  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: notfamous on January 28, 2006, 06:29:39 PM
I have to admit that reading this thread has been really intersting for me. A very close friend of mine has two friends who went to Yale for law school. She said that both of them hated it and couldn't wait to graduate. Another friend (who doesn't know my other friend) has a few friends there now and told me that, "Yale is not a happy place."

Do I just happen to be friends with the friends of the few unhappy Yale Law students? Is everyone here really just hearing great and wonderful things about Yale?

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: notfamous on January 28, 2006, 07:47:52 PM
All years. Two of the people in question have graduated. One last year and one the year before (I think). The ones who are currently there are most likely all 1Ls, but there may be some 2Ls as well.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: notfamous on January 28, 2006, 08:03:40 PM
I really would be interested to hear if anyone else has ever heard from Yale folks who didn't like it. For the two friends of my friend who already graduated, I gather that they just didn't like the other students much. I don't think that either of them had many friends (other than each other) in the law school. They had a bunch outside of it, though. For the ones who are current students, I don't really know much other than they just aren't happy.

It just seems so odd to me that I appear to be the only person who has only ever heard bad things about Yale (the enviornment, not the quality of the education or its reputation). I'm not ruling out the possiblity that I'm just an anomily.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on January 28, 2006, 08:36:36 PM
I'm not sure if this counts, but I did know (though not particularly well) one or two Yale Law students who I found to be pretty darn annoying and a bit socially strange, but I would expect there to be some people like that just about anywhere you go.  On the other hand, I know a few current students who I think are genuinely incredible people, both intellectually and interpersonally, so I doubt it's all bad.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on January 28, 2006, 11:47:45 PM
I personally do not know of anyone who is unhappy at YLS.  To the contrary, I think most people (myself included) are quite happy or are at least as happy as they would be in law school anywhere.  I do know people who don't like the study of law...but even they say that Yale is the best place to do it.

But, of course, birds of a feather flock together.  There might be some pocket of dissatisfaction of which I am totally unaware.  General law school advice: You should definitely talk to people with whom you "click" and find out if they like the place.  I am an ISTJ in the Myers-Briggs typeology.  I am affected by things and handle situations much differently than, say, an ENFP.

I think most people like YLS.  However, there are reasons not to.  If you are friends with people very similar to you and they don't like YLS, then you should engage in some self-assessment before coming.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on January 28, 2006, 11:59:03 PM
perhaps notfamous is the tobster in disguise, trying to wean people away...  ;)

If Yale continues to not admit people for the next few weeks like they have been doing it won't take all that much weaning.....
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on January 29, 2006, 05:58:42 AM
perhaps notfamous is the tobster in disguise, trying to wean people away...  ;)

If <NHSoL> continues to not admit people for the next few weeks like they have been doing it won't take all that much weaning.....

maybe for most.  i think the hard core obsessors (ahem, su) will still need convincing.  :D

it seems to me that the reason we all haven't heard for so long is because the faculty are probably in the middle of doing their reviews.  and we all know how professors like to take their sweet sweet time with things like this (*cough* recommendations *cough*).
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 29, 2006, 08:32:40 AM
it seems to me that the reason we all haven't heard for so long is because the faculty are probably in the middle of doing their reviews.  and we all know how professors like to take their sweet sweet time with things like this (*cough* recommendations *cough*).

Yeah, I'm sure.  It looks like it'll be coming in small waves every couple of weeks starting with next week.

But then again, after next week thin envelopes may have prevented some obsessing.

Seriously, after they reject me, if I post on this thread, please remind me to get a life.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: zenpeaceofmind on January 29, 2006, 08:57:11 AM
I really would be interested to hear if anyone else has ever heard from Yale folks who didn't like it. For the two friends of my friend who already graduated, I gather that they just didn't like the other students much. I don't think that either of them had many friends (other than each other) in the law school. They had a bunch outside of it, though. For the ones who are current students, I don't really know much other than they just aren't happy.

It just seems so odd to me that I appear to be the only person who has only ever heard bad things about Yale (the enviornment, not the quality of the education or its reputation). I'm not ruling out the possiblity that I'm just an anomily.

I'm sure it's an incredibly self-selecting population, but I found some reviews online that may very well have been bogus, but all three reviewers talked about how they hated all the theory, they weren't learning anything of use in the "real" legal world, they were sick of the philosophy, etc., and for the most part that seems accurate, it just happens to be what I *love* about the way Yale does things, so I'm sure there are people there that are business-economics minded types, that aren't theoretically oriented that went there because it was ranked higher than Harvard, and probably do hate it.

JSIA.

 :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on January 29, 2006, 11:46:52 AM
I really would be interested to hear if anyone else has ever heard from Yale folks who didn't like it. For the two friends of my friend who already graduated, I gather that they just didn't like the other students much. I don't think that either of them had many friends (other than each other) in the law school. They had a bunch outside of it, though. For the ones who are current students, I don't really know much other than they just aren't happy.

It just seems so odd to me that I appear to be the only person who has only ever heard bad things about Yale (the enviornment, not the quality of the education or its reputation). I'm not ruling out the possiblity that I'm just an anomily.

I'm sure it's an incredibly self-selecting population, but I found some reviews online that may very well have been bogus, but all three reviewers talked about how they hated all the theory, they weren't learning anything of use in the "real" legal world, they were sick of the philosophy, etc., and for the most part that seems accurate, it just happens to be what I *love* about the way Yale does things, so I'm sure there are people there that are business-economics minded types, that aren't theoretically oriented that went there because it was ranked higher than Harvard, and probably do hate it.

JSIA.

 :)

I think the problem is people go into law school with all these misguided ideas of what it's like and without having done any research. The general rule of thumb is that the higher you go up in rankings, the more philosophy and theory it is. If you want a practical, black letter law education, you go to a lower ranked school. LS is no longer a trade school education - that's just how it is.

I haven't heard of any other people at YLS that don't like it...maybe if you're more interested in corporate law or right-leaning on the political spectrum though.

Most schools, however much they try to market themselves as public interest havens, end up sending the majority of their students into corporate law.  Yale has a smaller percentage than most, but it doesn't mean that if you want to do corporate you'll be a social outcast.  Also, most law schools are very left-leaning, so Yale isn't exactly special in this regard. It's more an issue that due to it's size, it'll be harder to find a critical mass of people who share your political viewpoints. Of course, to get to LS you have to go through college, and there's only a handful of colleges in the country which aren't left-leaning, so it's not like these people aren't used to it by now.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on January 29, 2006, 04:04:02 PM
Also, most law schools are very left-leaning, so Yale isn't exactly special in this regard. It's more an issue that due to it's size, it'll be harder to find a critical mass of people who share your political viewpoints. Of course, to get to LS you have to go through college, and there's only a handful of colleges in the country which aren't left-leaning, so it's not like these people aren't used to it by now.

My UG isn't the most extreme among that handful, but the student body's definitely right-leaning.  I'd really like to quit focusing activism on the campus and actually get with other like-minded folks, work on bringing activism to the nation instead.  YLS seems a good place for that.





Su, swats, others
:  you're not alone in obsessing.  I've been offline most of this school year (lots of s*** going down) so am new to LSD, but ... pfft.  I'm not entirely sure I'll even take an acceptance elsewhere, although there are some seriously attractive aspects to (most of) the others on my application list.  The only thing I don't love about Yale is the location.

Also, glad to see some others around here are pushing the deadline for actually submitting Yale's app.  I'm not sure how that'll affect our chances.   :-\

Ramble:  Until September I knew nothing about law schools and wasn't really planning to apply to anywhere near the top.  Just wanted a JD because it makes sense to study law before you change it.  I figured I'd do pretty well on the LSAT without much prep, get a scholarship to somewhere like Cincinnati (hs friend's there w/$ and worse stats) and that's that.  Then my teacher (a YLS grad) told me about Yale and the COAP, I started reading more about law schools in general, and pretty soon I was a goner.  Now I'm obsessed/excited but can't shake the feeling that I was really unprepared (for applications) and may've shot myself in the foot by applying right now.

Fun anecdote:  My prof said that on his first day at Yale everybody was debating some offensive images contrasting the unacceptability of stereotypical black/Jewish caricature w/the acceptability of native American caricature (ie, in sports).  I thought the execution sounded pretty cool, and it means there's still place for controversy on campus.


I'm done.  Seriously.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 29, 2006, 04:10:42 PM

Su, swats, others
:  you're not alone in obsessing.  I've been offline most of this school year (lots of s*** going down) so am new to LSD, but ... pfft.  I'm not entirely sure I'll even take an acceptance elsewhere, although there are some seriously attractive aspects to (most of) the others on my application list.  The only thing I don't love about Yale is the location.

Also, glad to see some others around here are pushing the deadline for actually submitting Yale's app.  I'm not sure how that'll affect our chances.   :-\

Always good to have obsession company.  :)  All my friends thing I'm insane for not wanting to take my Harvard acceptance and run with it (not that I won't happily go with them or NYU or possibly another school, just that my fingers are still firmly crossed for Yale).

And for what it's worth, I've heard that Yale is one of the few schools at which applying late actually doesn't put you at a significant disadvantage.  Whether or not that's true is another matter, but I've heard it in a couple of places.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on January 29, 2006, 04:48:01 PM
I have never heard anything bad about yale except 1) it's in new haven (and that really is unfortunate) and 2) it is too theory based.

You can't get away from (1), but it also isn't the most important factor in the world.  (2) may be true, but as others have mentioned, you know what you are getting into.

On the other hand, Yale has so many freakin' advantages, it's hard not to love the place.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on January 29, 2006, 04:59:27 PM

Su, swats, others
:  you're not alone in obsessing.  I've been offline most of this school year (lots of s*** going down) so am new to LSD, but ... pfft.  I'm not entirely sure I'll even take an acceptance elsewhere, although there are some seriously attractive aspects to (most of) the others on my application list.  The only thing I don't love about Yale is the location.

Also, glad to see some others around here are pushing the deadline for actually submitting Yale's app.  I'm not sure how that'll affect our chances.   :-\

Always good to have obsession company.  :)  All my friends thing I'm insane for not wanting to take my Harvard acceptance and run with it (not that I won't happily go with them or NYU or possibly another school, just that my fingers are still firmly crossed for Yale).

And for what it's worth, I've heard that Yale is one of the few schools at which applying late actually doesn't put you at a significant disadvantage.  Whether or not that's true is another matter, but I've heard it in a couple of places.

yesssssss. keep saying things like that, su, it makes me feel better about myself :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 30, 2006, 10:06:01 AM
Bump for the scary week...  :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: alx2042 on January 30, 2006, 01:00:02 PM
Just a question, I've noticed that 180 is now a phrase used on LSD...what does it mean?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on January 30, 2006, 01:26:54 PM
Just a question, I've noticed that 180 is now a phrase used on LSD...what does it mean?

essentially, "well said"
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ghaleon on January 30, 2006, 01:47:27 PM
Bump for the scary week...  :-\

Oh man... this week is gonna be the start of ding season for Yale, isn't it?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 30, 2006, 01:58:15 PM
Bump for the scary week...  :-\

Oh man... this week is gonna be the start of ding season for Yale, isn't it?

If the cycle mirrors last year's as reflected in LSN, yes.

The year before on LSN, other than a small handful of outliers, seems to suggest that late February will be the first week of dings.  But that seems awfully late to me...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on January 30, 2006, 02:05:36 PM
man, i'm not even complete yet!  i wonder when that will happen.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 10:43:25 AM
Ok, people really need to stop creating and deleting/hiding Yale-accepted LSN accounts.  It's making me nervous.

Damn you Yale!  Just send me my ding already!

(J/K.  I'd really prefer if you let me in, thanks.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 12:11:06 PM
The area you walk through is relatively quiet and reasonably well lit, but one or two students were shot or mugged in that area this year. A third was the victim of an attempted drive-by kidnapping, but she managed to defeat her attackers and escape. (Way to go!)

Ok, I've always been a member of the "I'm sure New Haven isn't as bad as they say" camp.  But, well, this post is going to comfort me when I get that thin envelope.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: nllsq on January 31, 2006, 12:27:25 PM
Maybe only the most obvious (for the admission officers) accepted/ding applicants have received their desision letters. Everyone else would haev to wait for the application deadline, then for comparing all candidates and selecting the members of the class.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 12:31:45 PM
Maybe only the most obvious (for the admission officers) accepted/ding applicants have received their desision letters. Everyone else would haev to wait for the application deadline, then for comparing all candidates and selecting the members of the class.

I'd guess that no one's received dings yet, based on the fact that no one here has reported one, nor have any legit-looking law school numbers users.

But, yeah, I'm sure it's the really obvious folks who've been admitted so far.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Fractal Distillation on January 31, 2006, 12:45:38 PM
Su,

I have a good feeling about your YLS chances.

Keep the faith, girl.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 12:46:38 PM
Su,

I have a good feeling about your YLS chances.

Keep the faith, girl.

Thanks!  We'll see...  :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 31, 2006, 01:20:18 PM
Su,

I have a good feeling about your YLS chances.

Keep the faith, girl.

Thanks!  We'll see...  :-\

You'll make it, Su!!!!!!!  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 01:38:22 PM
I think this thread should be retitled "Su's Yale Obsession". Every time it comes up in my unreads, Su, you are the latest poster.


 ;D

I also started the thread.  I'm sorry if I'm the only totally Yale obsessed person here.  Except that I know I've at least got Swats for company.

I'll stop as soon as they ding me, I promise.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 31, 2006, 01:44:44 PM
I think this thread should be retitled "Su's Yale Obsession". Every time it comes up in my unreads, Su, you are the latest poster.


 ;D

I also started the thread.  I'm sorry if I'm the only totally Yale obsessed person here.  Except that I know I've at least got Swats for company.

I'll stop as soon as they ding me, I promise.

hey, im pretty obsessed too...  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 01:46:33 PM
I think this thread should be retitled "Su's Yale Obsession". Every time it comes up in my unreads, Su, you are the latest poster.


 ;D

I also started the thread.  I'm sorry if I'm the only totally Yale obsessed person here.  Except that I know I've at least got Swats for company.

I'll stop as soon as they ding me, I promise.

hey, im pretty obsessed too...  :)

Prove it!  Spend more time on this thread...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 31, 2006, 01:52:32 PM
I think this thread should be retitled "Su's Yale Obsession". Every time it comes up in my unreads, Su, you are the latest poster.


 ;D

I also started the thread.  I'm sorry if I'm the only totally Yale obsessed person here.  Except that I know I've at least got Swats for company.

I'll stop as soon as they ding me, I promise.

hey, im pretty obsessed too...  :)

Prove it!  Spend more time on this thread...

I can do that :)

I can't tell you how long the Yale booklet they sent me (unrequested) sat in my room before I had the guts to look through it. I knew that each page would make me want to go there more and more, and set me up more for a big fat ding. Same thing this thread does, actually. :) But its all good. If we get dinged together, we'll have a boston yale dingfest, yay!!! :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 31, 2006, 02:13:32 PM
I think this thread should be retitled "Su's Yale Obsession". Every time it comes up in my unreads, Su, you are the latest poster.


 ;D

I also started the thread.  I'm sorry if I'm the only totally Yale obsessed person here.  Except that I know I've at least got Swats for company.

I'll stop as soon as they ding me, I promise.

hey, im pretty obsessed too...  :)

Prove it!  Spend more time on this thread...

I can do that :)

I can't tell you how long the Yale booklet they sent me (unrequested) sat in my room before I had the guts to look through it. I knew that each page would make me want to go there more and more, and set me up more for a big fat ding. Same thing this thread does, actually. :) But its all good. If we get dinged together, we'll have a boston yale dingfest, yay!!! :)

Duck, why is it that you and I think virtually identical thougths about everything except politics?

??? I wasn't aware of this? explain, and give an example?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 31, 2006, 02:26:44 PM
I think this thread should be retitled "Su's Yale Obsession". Every time it comes up in my unreads, Su, you are the latest poster.


 ;D

I also started the thread.  I'm sorry if I'm the only totally Yale obsessed person here.  Except that I know I've at least got Swats for company.

I'll stop as soon as they ding me, I promise.

hey, im pretty obsessed too...  :)

Prove it!  Spend more time on this thread...

I can do that :)

I can't tell you how long the Yale booklet they sent me (unrequested) sat in my room before I had the guts to look through it. I knew that each page would make me want to go there more and more, and set me up more for a big fat ding. Same thing this thread does, actually. :) But its all good. If we get dinged together, we'll have a boston yale dingfest, yay!!! :)

Duck, why is it that you and I think virtually identical thougths about everything except politics?

??? I wasn't aware of this? explain, and give an example?

You seemed kinda upset about the Cheney joke I made a night or two ago.  Or was that just because it was only funny if you had a few beers in your system?

Oh! No, not at all. I think I was just tired (and it probably went a little over my head at the time). That's why I was so confused by your comment, cause your political views and my own couldn't be more similar. That's an internet misunderstanding for ya I guess.  :) btw, I am more than a little offended that you could dare think I would support him. ! :D silly lily!

btw, is this a good time to mention how much you drink again?  :D :D :D that would be a good warning to kids: "Don't drink and type, you may mistake your friends for the wrong political party!"  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on January 31, 2006, 02:35:36 PM
:D :D :D

That certainly seems to be a better PSA than the egg thing. But maybe it's only better for us geeky types ;)

I think you should put it in your quote.  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on January 31, 2006, 04:46:59 PM
I can't tell you how long the Yale booklet they sent me (unrequested) sat in my room before I had the guts to look through it. I knew that each page would make me want to go there more and more, and set me up more for a big fat ding. Same thing this thread does, actually. :)


Didn't the booklet do just that, though?  I may've printed a few pages from the online version, just so I could highlite parts I really loved.... :-[  (That was before they sent me an unrequested booklet.  Paper waste, oops.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 05:35:13 PM
Is this the fate that awaits me the day after tomorrow?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 05:42:31 PM
Is this the fate that awaits me the day after tomorrow?

if that's when you're sending, then probably yeah.  it's not so bad, really.  su and i are rather good company.

Sending tonight, I think. I'll be numb tomorrow. The day after, I'll be here. Obsessing abut how they'll reject me for sure will make me feel like I actually have a chance.. Funny how that works
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 05:52:00 PM
Sending tonight, I think. I'll be numb tomorrow. The day after, I'll be here. Obsessing abut how they'll reject me for sure will make me feel like I actually have a chance.. Funny how that works

:o

shhh, it doesn't work if you say it out loud!

i personally have no chance.  ;)

We'll see about that. Something tells me they'll snap you up. I was relying on my various statements, was feeling ok about them, then I read one that someone sent me to comment on/edit and it was so much better than what I had put together that it shook me..
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 06:00:12 PM
We'll see about that. Something tells me they'll snap you up. I was relying on my various statements, was feeling ok about them, then I read one that someone sent me to comment on/edit and it was so much better than what I had put together that it shook me..

i think we are employing virtually identical applications strategies.  and better how?  i think better depends on what the profs are looking for.  of course i have nothing except speculation in that regard, but still it may not be what we're looking for.

It had so much emotion, it was so *real*, that it was a shock to read it. Mine are sort of dry and arch. I should have come out blazing, I think, Mike Tyson style instead of hemming and hawing and bowing and scraping.. Ah well. No regrets.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 06:17:25 PM
It had so much emotion, it was so *real*, that it was a shock to read it. Mine are sort of dry and arch. I should have come out blazing, I think, Mike Tyson style instead of hemming and hawing and bowing and scraping.. Ah well. No regrets.

regret, like guilt, is a wasted emotion.  ;)

regardless we'll all have some great options i think, so nothing to do but wait and see.

i really wish they would just email my ding though.  :D 

Last I checked, you don't have an LSD crush at Columbia.... 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on January 31, 2006, 07:19:48 PM
Su, et al.:

I commiserate with you as to your Yale neurosis. I've been a lurker on this thread for about a week now, ever since I discovered LSD (How long does it take to get over the oddness of using that acronym? I'm kind of concerned that quotes like this will be taken out of context and used against me at, say, a confirmation hearing sometime... ;D ). It is pleasing to know that one is not suffering alone, so I thank you all--and particularly Su--for your ridiculously obsessive display of obsession. ;) Despite the fact that I really should be writing a thesis chapter right now rather than getting involved in any discussion boards, I suppose I need another outlet for my anxiety than LSN and the refresh button.

I hate to be a bearer of bad tidings, but I'm not sure that this first round of dings is going to be much of a relief to many of us. I surmise that the dings sent out at this point will be directed exclusively to those applicants whose applications were not passed on to the faculty. (Su, I highly doubt that you could be among those!) But I guess there is always the hope that there is also a cache of acceptances from the past two weeks that will finally revealed tomorrow...Thursday...Friday? Please?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 07:54:59 PM
It is pleasing to know that one is not suffering alone, so I thank you all--and particularly Su--for your ridiculously obsessive display of obsession. ;)

I'm always pleased to comfort/egg on fellow obsessives.   ;)

And I appreciate your faith in my app getting passed on to the faculty.  I hope you're right.   :-\  But I wonder if, since acceptances are trickling (or were up until a couple of weeks ago anyway) some of the faculty members have already returned their batches...

The number of times I've checked the Yale page of LSN in the past two days is near criminal.  It's a good thing I've acually had to do work at work a fair amount; otherwise I'd just have been sitting on the page hitting "refresh" over and over again.

And checking this thread, of course...  :D
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on January 31, 2006, 08:06:28 PM
this is why i'm hoping for some real work every once in a while.  :-\

DAMN YOU AND YOUR EGGING!!!

Do you prefer fried, scrambled, or fertilized?

(http://www.c-science.com/txt/images/1999/990406tefax.jpg)
(http://www.framptons.ltd.uk/Pictures/Scrambled%20egg.jpg)
(http://www.park.edu/bhoffman/courses/bi342/laboratory/starfishemb/ferteggpolb40a.JPG)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on January 31, 2006, 08:23:18 PM
Fertilized? I don't suppose that to be such a good idea right before starting law school...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 08:31:50 PM
I'll be interested, hypanon, to see who first comments on the tag under you avatar, and what they say about it. (apart from me, of course!)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on January 31, 2006, 08:43:23 PM
Today was the last day to apply!! the numbers on LSN will hopefully stop going up and all the admissions committees (at all the schools) will just have to pick from us anxious losers!

Yay!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: zenpeaceofmind on January 31, 2006, 08:50:12 PM
I'll be interested, hypanon, to see who first comments on the tag under you avatar, and what they say about it. (apart from me, of course!)

Don't you mean, who will be the first to "critique" his avatar ... ha ha ha ha ha!!!

I made a Kant joke!!!!

 :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 09:09:53 PM
Today was the last day to apply!! the numbers on LSN will hopefully stop going up and all the admissions committees (at all the schools) will just have to pick from us anxious losers!

Yay!

Tomorrow is the last day to apply, I think
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 09:10:42 PM
I'll be interested, hypanon, to see who first comments on the tag under you avatar, and what they say about it. (apart from me, of course!)

Don't you mean, who will be the first to "critique" his avatar ... ha ha ha ha ha!!!

I made a Kant joke!!!!

 :D

Nice!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on January 31, 2006, 09:12:54 PM
"Yale Law School will accept applications for the Class of 2009 between September 1, 2005 and February 1, 2006. It is your responsibility to make certain all items arrive at Yale in a timely fashion. Please note that it may take several weeks for LSDAS to process your materials. We suggest that you submit your application as soon as possible after September 1. It may be to your advantage to apply in early autumn; candidates who apply just before the deadline, or whose required materials are submitted late, run the risk that the class will be filled before their applications are reviewed."



it is somewhat open to interpretation. I'm sure there are some applications they could get in June and still admit....


Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 09:17:42 PM
"Yale Law School will accept applications for the Class of 2009 between September 1, 2005 and February 1, 2006. It is your responsibility to make certain all items arrive at Yale in a timely fashion. Please note that it may take several weeks for LSDAS to process your materials. We suggest that you submit your application as soon as possible after September 1. It may be to your advantage to apply in early autumn; candidates who apply just before the deadline, or whose required materials are submitted late, run the risk that the class will be filled before their applications are reviewed."



it is somewhat open to interpretation. I'm sure there are some applications they could get in June and still admit....




11.59 PM, Feb 1, 2006 is the deadline. It is relevant to me, unfortunately
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on January 31, 2006, 09:20:43 PM
Why the last minute app? (although i guess it doesn't matter for yale, from what everyone says)
Does that mean they have to have the app in office at that time, or just that you have to have transmitted through LSAC? Because LSAC can take a long time themselves...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on January 31, 2006, 09:24:48 PM
Why the last minute app? (although i guess it doesn't matter for yale, from what everyone says)
Does that mean they have to have the app in office at that time, or just that you have to have transmitted through LSAC? Because LSAC can take a long time themselves...

All my apps are last minute-ish. Late LORs, so I've had time to procrastinate and write eleven different 250s etc. And also, this way if I don't get accepted I can tell myself that they would have taken me if I'd applied earlier.. Self-handicapping, when deployed in the right way, can be really quite wonderful.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: pass36 on January 31, 2006, 10:51:39 PM
Redemption if they don't take you it will definitely be their loss!  And somebody else's gain.  I am guessing all 11 of your 250s were interesting and well-written.  You have a good chance, IMHO, just from reading your posts on here.  Not that I have the first clue, but if I ran the circus.....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on February 01, 2006, 12:21:16 AM
Redemption if they don't take you it will definitely be their loss!  And somebody else's gain.  I am guessing all 11 of your 250s were interesting and well-written.  You have a good chance, IMHO, just from reading your posts on here.  Not that I have the first clue, but if I ran the circus.....

Not to be the ass, but in the last three years Yale has accepted 16 people with GPAs below 3.5.  They took 4 of 18 people with 3.25-3.49s and 175+s.  I think Redemption would make an excellent addition to Yale, but the odds of her getting in are still pretty low. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: snikrep on February 01, 2006, 01:18:31 AM
I'm guessing leading a small nation for a couple years might offset a lowish GPA, but only if it was from a school without grade inflation.

Having real weapons of mass destruction is also known to give you a massive boost, something like 58+ on the LSAT and 3.84+ on the GPA scale.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: pass36 on February 01, 2006, 01:37:56 AM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?

Bottom line is of all the posters on here Redemption has struck me as one of the most literate and intelligent.  I know that doesn't really mean squat IRL or compared to JPhil's "perfect" numbers, but it does mean I am rooting for him/her/it.  Which doesn't really mean squat either.       

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: pass36 on February 01, 2006, 01:48:37 AM
No respect I tell you, no respect.

My wife and I were happy for 20 years.  Then we met each other.

I went to get a hooker last night and she told me she had a headache.

When I was a baby I was breast fed.  By my father.

I finally figured out how to satisfy my wife in bed.  I left.

No respect I tell you...

Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 01, 2006, 07:11:28 AM
:D  i needed a laugh.  :)

EDIT:from the simpsons archive:

Burns: I see.  Well, I -- ooh, you know, I just remembered, it's time
       for my annual donation.  [brings out checkbook and pen]  I wonder
       how much I should give.
  Man: Well, frankly, test scores like Larry's would call for a very
       generous contribution. [opens book] For example, a score of 400
       would require a donation of new football uniforms, 300, a new
       dormitory, and in Larry's case, we would need an international
       airport.
Woman: NHcollege could use an international airport, Mr. Burns.


 :D thanks, stan!

i can see it now...the darkwing duck library...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 07:13:01 AM
Redemption if they don't take you it will definitely be their loss!  And somebody else's gain.  I am guessing all 11 of your 250s were interesting and well-written.  You have a good chance, IMHO, just from reading your posts on here.  Not that I have the first clue, but if I ran the circus.....

Not to be the ass, but in the last three years Yale has accepted 16 people with GPAs below 3.5.  They took 4 of 18 people with 3.25-3.49s and 175+s.  I think Redemption would make an excellent addition to Yale, but the odds of her getting in are still pretty low. 

Hey - pointing out the facts isn't being an ass. You are quite right. I am the snowball in hell.

Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?

Bottom line is of all the posters on here Redemption has struck me as one of the most literate and intelligent.  I know that doesn't really mean squat IRL or compared to JPhil's "perfect" numbers, but it does mean I am rooting for him/her/it.  Which doesn't really mean squat either.       



Thanks, Pass. Now can you get a job on the adcomm, please?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 01, 2006, 07:28:28 AM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?
Actually, from the LSD discussions, that sounds liek Harvard. And Yale is the school where great writing plus an exceptional UGPA from anywhere might outweight a low LSAT>
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 01, 2006, 07:46:35 AM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?
Actually, from the LSD discussions, that sounds liek Harvard. And Yale is the school where great writing plus an exceptional UGPA from anywhere might outweight a low LSAT>

cosigned. see aluhmajuhba (or however you spell it).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on February 01, 2006, 07:48:23 AM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?

22% isn't bad at all, considering the school has an overall admit-rate of about 7%.  The rate's certainly not much higher for the 3.75+ 170-174 range.  (Is it any higher?  I can't remember.) *see disclaimer

Haven't seen your application materials, Redemption, but if you conveyed yourself half as well as on these boards, I suspect you're competitive.  Yale wants a certain kind of atmosphere.  They need the right numbers to balance out, because rankings matter on some levels, but ... IMHO they look for the right people.  Just reading a small portion of old posts around here, you stand out as intelligent, reasonable, confident, involved...probably a lot of other things.  Now, Yale won't get to read all the posts here.  From you, they just get a few short pieces of writing and some information about your extracurriculars.  They do, however, also get letters of recommendation, which can attest to some of those other strengths you obviously have.

Since we don't know the quirks of your random readers, ultimately it's impossible to predict your likelihood of admission (as with anybody), but...I'm pretty sure you'll at least get a read.  You have a chance.



Disclaimer:  We tend to think of Yale as comparing folks within their # range.  The odd thing about redemption's # combo is that few people apply.  Do the few who apply have extra-splendid ECs/hardships, or are most people just scared away?  (Or, of law applicants generally, how many have that kind of split?  I have no idea...)  Without info on non-numeric factors, the 22%'s mainly a meaningless distraction.  I do think, though, that Yale looks beyond GPA/LSAT (particularly when neither is actually bad).  I doubt they obsess over whether they admit more people w/<3.5 than they've done in the past three years, so long as their 25-75 range works out in the end.  (And do they ever provide a mean, or is it always just a median?)  Redemption has a great LSAT, the GPA isn't embarrassing, and the written parts probably stand out.



Apologies if nothing above makes sense.  Rushing off to class.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 01, 2006, 07:58:12 AM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?

22% isn't bad at all, considering the school has an overall admit-rate of about 7%.  The rate's certainly not much higher for the 3.75+ 170-174 range.  (Is it any higher?  I can't remember.) *see disclaimer


For last year, 3.75+ 170-175 was 262/1231 accepted =  21%.
(I'm not sure why this is the group being compared to the 3.25-2.49 175+ group, but that's what was posted.)
This makes me question where the "four out of 18" figure came from though, because when I look at the stats for last year 3.25-3.49 and 175-180, I see 7/83 accepted, = ~8.5%.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 01, 2006, 07:59:53 AM
Stanley, why did you use 'NHSoL" to replace "Yale"?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on February 01, 2006, 08:21:29 AM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?

22% isn't bad at all, considering the school has an overall admit-rate of about 7%.  The rate's certainly not much higher for the 3.75+ 170-174 range.  (Is it any higher?  I can't remember.) *see disclaimer


For last year, 3.75+ 170-175 was 262/1231 accepted =  21%.
(I'm not sure why this is the group being compared to the 3.25-2.49 175+ group, but that's what was posted.)
This makes me question where the "four out of 18" figure came from though, because when I look at the stats for last year 3.25-3.49 and 175-180, I see 7/83 accepted, = ~8.5%.

Where are you seeing that 7/83? 
http://officialguide.lsac.org/OFFGUIDE/pdf/lsac3987.pdf
Is that information old?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 01, 2006, 08:26:23 AM
Where are you seeing that 7/83? 
http://officialguide.lsac.org/OFFGUIDE/pdf/lsac3987.pdf
Is that information old?

Yale's site has the same grid but over a span of three years (03-05).

So aparently whatever year LSAC uses (04?  I think?) had 4 of the 7 people in that number category admitted in the past three years.  It's such a small group that I guess it's no suprise it would vary so much from year to year.  Other boxes stay fairly consistant in % admitted.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 01, 2006, 10:25:29 AM
No new accepts, no legit dings... no movement at all.

Sigh.

When, Yale, When?!?!?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 01, 2006, 10:39:49 AM
No new accepts, no legit dings... no movement at all.

Sigh.

When, Yale, When?!?!?

I feel ya Su!!!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 10:41:16 AM
No new accepts, no legit dings... no movement at all.

Sigh.

When, Yale, When?!?!?


Right now, no news is good news...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 01, 2006, 11:14:42 AM
No new accepts, no legit dings... no movement at all.

Sigh.

When, Yale, When?!?!?


Right now, no news is good news...

But the fact that they haven't been dinging people means I don't feel any better off by NOT receiving any news, you know? it's not like i can breathe a (sick) sigh of relief and reassure myself that at least i'm not getting dinged like "fill in the blank"

 :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 11:20:43 AM
I've been gun-shy ever since my H deferral. Yale is like shooting a basketball after being blindfolded and spun around three times - I know chances are I won't make it but just maybeeeeeee...


I don't think I'd like the finality of a ding  :-\  :'(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 01, 2006, 11:22:49 AM
I've been gun-shy ever since my H deferral. Yale is like shooting a basketball after being blindfolded and spun around three times - I know chances are I won't make it but just maybeeeeeee...


I don't think I'd like the finality of a ding  :-\  :'(

At this point I just really want to know.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on February 01, 2006, 11:29:09 AM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?
Actually, from the LSD discussions, that sounds liek Harvard. And Yale is the school where great writing plus an exceptional UGPA from anywhere might outweight a low LSAT>

cosigned. see aluhmajuhba (or however you spell it).

almuhajaba  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 11:33:39 AM
I've been gun-shy ever since my H deferral. Yale is like shooting a basketball after being blindfolded and spun around three times - I know chances are I won't make it but just maybeeeeeee...


I don't think I'd like the finality of a ding  :-\  :'(

At this point I just really want to know.

That's cuz it's your last one :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 01, 2006, 11:39:17 AM
I've been gun-shy ever since my H deferral. Yale is like shooting a basketball after being blindfolded and spun around three times - I know chances are I won't make it but just maybeeeeeee...


I don't think I'd like the finality of a ding  :-\  :'(

At this point I just really want to know.

That's cuz it's your last one :)

Yeah, that's a big part of it.  After they ding me I can settle down to the task of deciding between NYU and HLS (unless CLS or BU totally change my mind when I visit).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 11:48:29 AM
I've been gun-shy ever since my H deferral. Yale is like shooting a basketball after being blindfolded and spun around three times - I know chances are I won't make it but just maybeeeeeee...


I don't think I'd like the finality of a ding  :-\  :'(

At this point I just really want to know.

That's cuz it's your last one :)

Yeah, that's a big part of it.  After they ding me I can settle down to the task of deciding between NYU and HLS (unless CLS or BU totally change my mind when I visit).

Hehe...well if Yale dings me, the ball's COMPLETELY in Harvard's court then, and just the thought of that makes me nervous.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 01, 2006, 11:52:53 AM
Annabel Lee, just curious: Stanford doesn't tempt you?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 01, 2006, 11:53:28 AM
Yeah, that's a big part of it.  After they ding me I can settle down to the task of deciding between NYU and HLS (unless CLS or BU totally change my mind when I visit).

Su,

What so attracts you about NYU? I applied there because of (a) Ronald Dworkin, (b) Thomas Nagel, and (c) the fact that they have the top philosophy graduate program. But since I finally decided against a joint JD/PhD program, I withdrew from NYU when I heard from Harvard and Stanford...

Is it because of New York? If so, then why not Columbia?

(I imagine you have gone over this question before, but I don't really have the inclination to scour through your thousands of posts to find it!)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 12:04:30 PM
Annabel Lee, just curious: Stanford doesn't tempt you?

Stanford is EXTREMELY tempting, but my long time bf will most likely be on the East Coast and so is my family. I don't know if I can move so far away. And I've heard some not so great things with respect to their financial aid. But I am going to their admit day and I'm doing some more research - so I haven't ruled it out yet.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on February 01, 2006, 12:06:24 PM
How long have you and your BF been together, Annabel?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 12:11:27 PM
How long have you and your BF been together, Annabel?

We celebrated our 3 year anniversary in January  ;D  He's like my best friend; it's scary to think about having to function day-to-day without him...  :(  I really hope we get to go to the same school.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on February 01, 2006, 12:13:28 PM
I can imagine...I hope you guys have at least the option of being at the same school. But don't forget that you still have to make the best decision for Annabel :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 12:15:27 PM
I can imagine...I hope you guys have at least the option of being at the same school. But don't forget that you still have to make the best decision for Annabel :)

Yup! Being a grown-up SUCKS!!! All these decisions   ???
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 01, 2006, 12:17:10 PM
Annabel Lee, just curious: Stanford doesn't tempt you?

Stanford is EXTREMELY tempting, but my long time bf will most likely be on the East Coast and so is my family. I don't know if I can move so far away. And I've heard some not so great things with respect to their financial aid. But I am going to their admit day and I'm doing some more research - so I haven't ruled it out yet.



I totally understand. Check your PMs Annabel.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 01, 2006, 12:21:18 PM
Yeah, that's a big part of it.  After they ding me I can settle down to the task of deciding between NYU and HLS (unless CLS or BU totally change my mind when I visit).

Su,

What so attracts you about NYU? I applied there because of (a) Ronald Dworkin, (b) Thomas Nagel, and (c) the fact that they have the top philosophy graduate program. But since I finally decided against a joint JD/PhD program, I withdrew from NYU when I heard from Harvard and Stanford...

Is it because of New York? If so, then why not Columbia?

(I imagine you have gone over this question before, but I don't really have the inclination to scour through your thousands of posts to find it!)

I'm still attracted to the law school because of those two (Dworkin in particular).  His stuff is absolutely fascinating.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 01, 2006, 12:22:08 PM
Four out of 18 is over 20%.  Not a great chance, but not horrible either. And if there is any school where great writing plus an exceptional LSAT might outweigh a "low" UGPA doesn't Yale want to see itself as that school?
Actually, from the LSD discussions, that sounds liek Harvard. And Yale is the school where great writing plus an exceptional UGPA from anywhere might outweight a low LSAT>

cosigned. see aluhmajuhba (or however you spell it).

bass...horrible attempt at spelling my name!!! hehe :)

I apologize, almuhajaba.  I will work on it.  But you have no worries, YLS class of '09.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: eclair on February 01, 2006, 12:38:26 PM
I can imagine...I hope you guys have at least the option of being at the same school. But don't forget that you still have to make the best decision for Annabel :)

Yup! Being a grown-up SUCKS!!! All these decisions   ???

Yea, thats sort of why im not really looking at stanford either...all my friends and bf will be on the east coast (though my family is on the west coast, haha).  But Im going to the admit day too...have you spoken with the BLSA guy?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 12:41:54 PM
Yea, thats sort of why im not really looking at stanford either...all my friends and bf will be on the east coast (though my family is on the west coast, haha).  But Im going to the admit day too...have you spoken with the BLSA guy?

No but I got the email about it, so I'm hoping someone calls soon. I have soooo many questions and there's no Alcibiades/Absy for Stanford on LSD  :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: snikrep on February 01, 2006, 12:42:29 PM
I get a perverse sense of pleasure seeing all you Yalies who will end up slamming the door in Stanford's face - it's like sweet water on my poor rejected wounds.

So stick it to 'em!! Make me feel better!! :P
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 12:53:06 PM
Yeah, that's a big part of it.  After they ding me I can settle down to the task of deciding between NYU and HLS (unless CLS or BU totally change my mind when I visit).

Su,

What so attracts you about NYU? I applied there because of (a) Ronald Dworkin, (b) Thomas Nagel, and (c) the fact that they have the top philosophy graduate program. But since I finally decided against a joint JD/PhD program, I withdrew from NYU when I heard from Harvard and Stanford...

Is it because of New York? If so, then why not Columbia?

(I imagine you have gone over this question before, but I don't really have the inclination to scour through your thousands of posts to find it!)

I'm still attracted to the law school because of those two (Dworkin in particular).  His stuff is absolutely fascinating.

Dworkin? Really? Is there a short answer as to what you particularly like about him?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 01, 2006, 01:00:16 PM
I'm still attracted to the law school because of those two (Dworkin in particular).  His stuff is absolutely fascinating.

Yeah, Yale doesn't quite have the philosophical (wo)manpower that NYU does. They do have Bruce Ackerman, and his work often focuses on themes consonant with Rawls's 'political liberalism.' And Ackerman occasionally writes for the Journal of Philosophy...

But this relative weakness is--in my eyes--compensated by Yale's absolute strength in constitutional law (according to Leiter anyway).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 01, 2006, 01:06:50 PM
Yeah, that's a big part of it.  After they ding me I can settle down to the task of deciding between NYU and HLS (unless CLS or BU totally change my mind when I visit).

Su,

What so attracts you about NYU? I applied there because of (a) Ronald Dworkin, (b) Thomas Nagel, and (c) the fact that they have the top philosophy graduate program. But since I finally decided against a joint JD/PhD program, I withdrew from NYU when I heard from Harvard and Stanford...

Is it because of New York? If so, then why not Columbia?

(I imagine you have gone over this question before, but I don't really have the inclination to scour through your thousands of posts to find it!)

It sounds like a much more public interest oriented environment, which I like the idea of.  I guess it's largely a sense that it sounds more like the type of environment I'm looking for, rather than something very specific like an individual instructor.  The city I'm ambivalent about; I really like the idea of living there, and it would be convenient for interesting summer jobs, but at the same time I find it intimidating and think I'd be more comfortable living in Somerville/Cambridge, an area I know pretty well already.

I'm actually leaning towards HLS, barring any $ from NYU, but I'm very open to an NYU visit changing my mind.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 01, 2006, 01:19:25 PM
I'm still attracted to the law school because of those two (Dworkin in particular).  His stuff is absolutely fascinating.

Yeah, Yale doesn't quite have the philosophical (wo)manpower that NYU does. They do have Bruce Ackerman, and his work often focuses on themes consonant with Rawls's 'political liberalism.' And Ackerman occasionally writes for the Journal of Philosophy...

But this relative weakness is--in my eyes--compensated by Yale's absolute strength in constitutional law (according to Leiter anyway).


Oh, and Yale's philosophy department also has--if you are willing to cross-register--Seyla Benhabib, who wrote a great book on communication ethics  (e.g. Habermas) entitled Critique, Norm, and Utopia. She has written other texts as well, but that one I know personally to be excellent.

Not quite philosophy of law, but it's relevant.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 01:20:01 PM
...The city I'm ambivalent about; I really like the idea of living there, and it would be convenient for interesting summer jobs, but at the same time I find it intimidating and think I'd be more comfortable living in Somerville/Cambridge, an area I know pretty well already...



I agree that NYC can be a little intimidating, but it's really not that bad. I was there last summer and I was really nervous about spending 10 weeks living by myself but it turned out to be just like DC, except bigger.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 01, 2006, 02:15:01 PM
...The city I'm ambivalent about; I really like the idea of living there, and it would be convenient for interesting summer jobs, but at the same time I find it intimidating and think I'd be more comfortable living in Somerville/Cambridge, an area I know pretty well already...

I agree that NYC can be a little intimidating, but it's really not that bad. I was there last summer and I was really nervous about spending 10 weeks living by myself but it turned out to be just like DC, except bigger.

Yeah, I'm not too worried.  I'm more concerned with finding housing than with actually living there (the cost of on campus housing makes me a little faint, and I'd prefer to be able to bring my cat anyway).

Then again, "just like DC, except bigger" isn't that comforting to the girl who grew up in rural VT!   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 01, 2006, 02:17:09 PM
Then again, "just like DC, except bigger" isn't that comforting to the girl who grew up in rural VT!   :D

 :D

Sweetie, I grew up in TRINIDAD (lived there for 18 years of my life). You'll be fine  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 01, 2006, 02:21:05 PM
Then again, "just like DC, except bigger" isn't that comforting to the girl who grew up in rural VT!   :D

 :D

Sweetie, I grew up in TRINIDAD (lived there for 18 years of my life). You'll be fine  ;)

 :D  You sure have me beat.  And I'm not really worried...  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 01, 2006, 02:23:07 PM
Yeah, Yale doesn't quite have the philosophical (wo)manpower that NYU does. They do have Bruce Ackerman, and his work often focuses on themes consonant with Rawls's 'political liberalism.' And Ackerman occasionally writes for the Journal of Philosophy...

But this relative weakness is--in my eyes--compensated by Yale's absolute strength in constitutional law (according to Leiter anyway).


Oh, and Yale's philosophy department also has--if you are willing to cross-register--Seyla Benhabib, who wrote a great book on communication ethics  (e.g. Habermas) entitled Critique, Norm, and Utopia. She has written other texts as well, but that one I know personally to be excellent.

Not quite philosophy of law, but it's relevant.

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Ackerman is supposed to be amazing.

Benhabib, on the other hand...
I took her seminar. She's brilliant, but her seminar is basically like a two hour lecture. I was falling asleep & had to drop it, thus forcing myself to take an additional credit the following semester. And she sent me a reall nasty e-mail when I dropped the course, too.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 02:36:50 PM

Yeah, Yale doesn't quite have the philosophical (wo)manpower that NYU does. They do have Bruce Ackerman, and his work often focuses on themes consonant with Rawls's 'political liberalism.' And Ackerman occasionally writes for the Journal of Philosophy...

But this relative weakness is--in my eyes--compensated by Yale's absolute strength in constitutional law (according to Leiter anyway).


Oh, and Yale's philosophy department also has--if you are willing to cross-register--Seyla Benhabib, who wrote a great book on communication ethics  (e.g. Habermas) entitled Critique, Norm, and Utopia. She has written other texts as well, but that one I know personally to be excellent.

Not quite philosophy of law, but it's relevant.


Ackerman is supposed to be amazing.

Benhabib, on the other hand...
I took her seminar. She's brilliant, but her seminar is basically like a two hour lecture. I was falling asleep & had to drop it, thus forcing myself to take an additional credit the following semester. And she sent me a reall nasty e-mail when I dropped the course, too.
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From their written works, at least, Ackerman, Ayres and Kahn are the most imaginative law profs anywhere. Behabib is  fairly derivative, and (to me), her ideas are pretty hum-drum. Kahn, in particular, has a mind that sparkles
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 01, 2006, 02:47:17 PM
Redemption - As for Dworkin, here's the short version.  I am not necessarily in love with his philosophy.  I think that it's great to get inside the minds of people who redefined the rules for thinking about X (where X is anything that has a long tradition and is philosophically interesting).

As for the legal/philosophical minds I'm most interested in these days, they include: Jeremy Waldron, Jonathan Zittrain (a youngin'), and David Post. Though my background is philosophy, my research is mostly in property theory and cyberspace.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 02:57:29 PM
Gotcha. Thanks.

I like Rorty.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 01, 2006, 03:22:57 PM
From their written works, at least, Ackerman, Ayres and Kahn are the most imaginative law profs anywhere. Behabib is  fairly derivative, and (to me), her ideas are pretty hum-drum. Kahn, in particular, has a mind that sparkles

I haven't really looked at Kahn. To be honest, my work until now has been in moral philosophy and, by extention, political philosophy; so legal philosophy, proper, as well as legal scholarship is still rather new to me. From what I can tell from the Yale faculty profile, Kahn seems like he would be interesting. What of his do you recommend?

About Benhabib: Derivative, sure, I suppose... If your intellectual mentor is Habermas, that almost becomes unavoidable. It must feel like your mentor is always five steps ahead of you at every point--and just when you think you have made an advance, there he is, in front of you as you turn the corner. Anyway, at least from what I saw in Critique, Norm, and Utopia, Benhabib appears to have an impressive control over the Hegel, Marx, Frankfurt School, Habermas canon, and I respect that.

And Rorty: Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature is admirable. But he has this way of off-handedly and chauvinistically dismissing other thinkers that I find grating. That's not to say that he's never right...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 03:40:25 PM
From their written works, at least, Ackerman, Ayres and Kahn are the most imaginative law profs anywhere. Behabib is  fairly derivative, and (to me), her ideas are pretty hum-drum. Kahn, in particular, has a mind that sparkles

I haven't really looked at Kahn. To be honest, my work until now has been in moral philosophy and, by extention, political philosophy; so legal philosophy, proper, as well as legal scholarship is still rather new to me. From what I can tell from the Yale faculty profile, Kahn seems like he would be interesting. What of his do you recommend?

About Benhabib: Derivative, sure, I suppose... If your intellectual mentor is Habermas, that almost becomes unavoidable. It must feel like your mentor is always five steps ahead of you at every point--and just when you think you have made an advance, there he is, in front of you as you turn the corner. Anyway, at least from what I saw in Critique, Norm, and Utopia, Benhabib appears to have an impressive control over the Hegel, Marx, Frankfurt School, Habermas canon, and I respect that.

And Rorty: Philosophy and the Mirror of Nature is admirable. But he has this way of off-handedly and chauvenistically dismissing other thinkers that I find grating. That's not to say that he's never right...

One of the most interesting things about Rorty is the reaction that he elicits in philosophers of the analytical philosophy tradition. Everyone in that tradition feels that his style offhand and grating. I read him as being very generous, actually, while casting very serious doubt on the whole metahysical enterprise from within, so to speak. I think that the professional reaction to him has hinged on this fact - he is seen as betraying the faith, a sort of trojan horse. And yet, he writes and speaks so reasonably, in measured tones and with considered claims. There are problems with Mirror, as he now acknowledges, but "Contingency, Irony and Solidarity" is surely the most revolutionary and inspiring work of philospohy produced in our time. Personally, I think that it is the final nail in Plato's coffin, and the most important work in philosophy since Wittgenstein. Everything else produced in the second half of the twentieth century seems trivial and/or absurd by comparison.  :)

I think, though, that we define philosopher too narrowly today. I would expand it to the Greek sense, and include people like Geertz and Foucault, Fredric Jameson and Victor Turner, Derrida and Lacan...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 01, 2006, 04:43:26 PM

One of the most interesting things about Rorty is the reaction that he elicits in philosophers of the analytical philosophy tradition.

I think, though, that we define philosopher too narrowly today. I would expand it to the Greek sense, and include people like Geertz and Foucault, Fredric Jameson and Victor Turner, Derrida and Lacan...

Hey, hey, hey. Let's not get feisty. Respectfully, your criticism is off the mark. Just to have you know, much of my background is in Continental philosophy, even though the philosophy department at my university is heavily analytic. And, actually, when I accused Rorty of being off-handed and chauvinistic, I was thinking of his criticism of Foucault that is published in his Heidegger book, not any of his criticisms of the analytic canon. I can see how his sweeping metaphilosophical approach can be appealing, but I don't think that should take away from the very interesting, if more modest, work that is being done right now in the so-called "analytic" tradition, particularly in ethics (Korsgaard, Parfit, Scanlon, Nagel, Herman, etc.). But this probably isn't the forum for talking about that. :)

Do you have any Kahn suggestions? Thanks-




Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 04:52:01 PM

One of the most interesting things about Rorty is the reaction that he elicits in philosophers of the analytical philosophy tradition.

I think, though, that we define philosopher too narrowly today. I would expand it to the Greek sense, and include people like Geertz and Foucault, Fredric Jameson and Victor Turner, Derrida and Lacan...

Hey, hey, hey. Let's not get feisty. Respectfully, your criticism is off the mark. Just to have you know, much of my background is in Continental philosophy, even though the philosophy department at my university is heavily analytic. And, actually, when I accused Rorty of being off-handed and chauvinistic, I was thinking of his criticism of Foucault that is published in his Heidegger book, not any of his criticisms of the analytic canon. I can see how his sweeping metaphilosophical approach can be appealing, but I don't think that should take away from the very interesting, if more modest, work that is being done right now in the so-called "analytic" tradition, particularly in ethics (Korsgaard, Parfit, Scanlon, Nagel, Herman, etc.). But this probably isn't the forum for talking about that. :)


Not talking about you (although I can see how I was unclear; sorry 'bout that  :)) but about the professional analytic people who actually feel that way and very passionately, too. I can understand why they'd feel that way about Derrida and, say, Lacan (they are brilliant imho, but hard to work through), but I don't get it when it comes to their reaction to Rorty.

Continental? Good for you. We need more continentals.  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 01, 2006, 04:58:29 PM
Continental? Good for you. We need more continentals.  ;)

Oui, oui.  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 05:07:12 PM
Continental? Good for you. We need more continentals.  ;)

Oui, oui.  ;)

Si on parle en francais, ils vont tous nous detester. Mais un jour.. et peut etre a Yale?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 05:29:54 PM
what was the question? ..... Caffeinated yet?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 05:41:19 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 01, 2006, 08:33:09 PM
Continental? Good for you. We need more continentals.  ;)

Oui, oui.  ;)

Si on parle en francais, ils vont tous nous detester. Mais un jour.. et peut etre a Yale?

Je ne pense pas.

All this philosophy talk is really exciting, but it's also a blatant reminder of the narrowness of my philosophical curriculum.  I focused on a few canonical figures (Kant, Locke, Nietzsche, Plato...a couple others) and I read buttloads of their stuff and wrote lots of papers about them.  I even learned Ancient Greek to read Plato in the original text.  That said, I have rarely spent much time on anyone since 1900, except Foucault.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 01, 2006, 08:44:54 PM
All this philosophy talk is really exciting, but it's also a blatant reminder of the narrowness of my philosophical curriculum.  I focused on a few canonical figures (Kant, Locke, Nietzsche, Plato...a couple others) and I read buttloads of their stuff and wrote lots of papers about them.  I even learned Ancient Greek to read Plato in the original text.  That said, I have rarely spent much time on anyone since 1900, except Foucault.

Well, you're lucky. You'll get to meet Wittgenstein, Kojeve, Bachelard and all the rest for the first time. I wish that I could go back do it all over again.  :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 01, 2006, 10:39:03 PM
All this philosophy talk is really exciting, but it's also a blatant reminder of the narrowness of my philosophical curriculum.  I focused on a few canonical figures (Kant, Locke, Nietzsche, Plato...a couple others) and I read buttloads of their stuff and wrote lots of papers about them.  I even learned Ancient Greek to read Plato in the original text.  That said, I have rarely spent much time on anyone since 1900, except Foucault.

It strikes me as odd that a department would offer courses primarily in the figures of the history of philosophy but then also teach Foucault! Or did you get your Foucault from somewhere else? History, English, CompLit, Gender Studies?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: pass36 on February 02, 2006, 01:10:05 AM
One of the most interesting things about Rorty is the reaction that he elicits in philosophers of the analytical philosophy tradition. Everyone in that tradition feels that his style offhand and grating.
I think, though, that we define philosopher too narrowly today. I would expand it to the Greek sense, and include people like Geertz and Foucault, Fredric Jameson and Victor Turner, Derrida and Lacan...

"But even apart from his snobby preference for samurai over salespeople, and for Stalin over Eisenhower, Kojeve's offhand nuttiness gets tiresome pretty quickly"  ("A Spectre is Haunting the Intellectuals" 1995)

"When asked for a utopian sketch of our country's future, the new leftists reply along the lines of one of Foucault's most fatuous remarks ('I think that to imagine another system if to extend our participation in the present system') .... This over-philosophized and self-obsessed left is the mirror image of the over-philosophized and self-obsessed Straussians." ("The Humanistic Intellectual" 1989)

Rorty is actually pretty good at pissing off people around the globe and across the discipline.  I am sure that plenty of people who read a lot more Lacan and Habermas than Nagel and Kant look down at him as a rude, unsophisticated bumpkin.  I actually think this is sort of cool, but then I still read Charles S. Peirce and consider him and Dewey the great American philosophers....   

Bassdesire -- I am amazed Wittgenstein is not on your list.  While my academic days were a few years (OK, decades) back, he was by far the most captivating philosophical figure of the 20th century for most students, with Foucault perhaps his only rival in this regard.  Has the craze for things Wittgensteinian finally passed?

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 02, 2006, 06:29:53 AM
I said I've focused on thosefigures, which doesn't mean I've read only them, but mostly.  I've read a tiny bit of Wittgenstein (On Certainty).

As for Foucault as the primary 20th century figure, that was by design.  I am really into Nietzsche, and Foucault sort of followed from there.  My department has plenty of contintental to go along with the analytic.  The Locke work I've done has been mostly on my own.  Within the department, 90% my classes have been continental, moral, or Greek (or some combination).

I'm hypanon about political and moral philosophy.  I'm down with that.  I'm also down with Kant (particularly the first critique and his ethics).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 02, 2006, 06:35:06 AM
One of the most interesting things about Rorty is the reaction that he elicits in philosophers of the analytical philosophy tradition. Everyone in that tradition feels that his style offhand and grating.
I think, though, that we define philosopher too narrowly today. I would expand it to the Greek sense, and include people like Geertz and Foucault, Fredric Jameson and Victor Turner, Derrida and Lacan...

"But even apart from his snobby preference for samurai over salespeople, and for Stalin over Eisenhower, Kojeve's offhand nuttiness gets tiresome pretty quickly"  ("A Spectre is Haunting the Intellectuals" 1995)

"When asked for a utopian sketch of our country's future, the new leftists reply along the lines of one of Foucault's most fatuous remarks ('I think that to imagine another system if to extend our participation in the present system') .... This over-philosophized and self-obsessed left is the mirror image of the over-philosophized and self-obsessed Straussians." ("The Humanistic Intellectual" 1989)

Rorty is actually pretty good at pissing off people around the globe and across the discipline.  I am sure that plenty of people who read a lot more Lacan and Habermas than Nagel and Kant look down at him as a rude, unsophisticated bumpkin.  I actually think this is sort of cool, but then I still read Charles S. Peirce and consider him and Dewey the great American philosophers....   

Bassdesire -- I am amazed Wittgenstein is not on your list.  While my academic days were a few years (OK, decades) back, he was by far the most captivating philosophical figure of the 20th century for most students, with Foucault perhaps his only rival in this regard.  Has the craze for things Wittgensteinian finally passed?

I can understand why the smoked salmon socialists of a certan era would be pissed - those are choice quotes, and he was building up to Achieving Our Country (he himself was tired of being called a relativist and apolitical; he was reacting). His philosophical work, though, is quite mild-mannered and polite, even as it is devastating in its force...

I think that there is a lot of ambivalence toward Wittgenstein in philosophy departments, esp. at UG level. (Now he was an abrupt fella if there ever was one). I think I can understand why - a fair amount of groundword is necessary in the Hume, Locke, Berkeley, Kant, Hegel, Nietszche etc tradition, and also in Logic, before Wittgenstein's significance can be fully appreciated. And then there is the matter of the earlier W vs the later W and figuring out what the later W was trying to say, etc. He's the sor of philosopher that will lead you off in another direction, out of philosophy and into linguistics, and that just complicates everything...

Peirce was a brilliant man - for my money the most intellectually productive American who ever lived. He was European in his intellect - ranging across disciplines, and upsetting the apple cart.

As an aside, what the hell hs happened to German philosophy in the last 80 years? They used to OWN philosophy and now all that they can do is turn out Habermas. There ought to be a study on the sociology or anthropology of philosophy: it would show how German philosophers lost their nerve after the war, anxious to seem moderate and reasonable, staying within the bounds of what is likely to appeal to "common sense" and tolerance... philosophy-lite.

That's my nerdy thought for the day
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 02, 2006, 08:13:29 AM
I have a bad feeling about today.

Ok, not really, but logically I'm still convinced it'll be this week, and the week's almost over.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 02, 2006, 10:11:52 AM
Well, I think that there's a good chance that my application was the very last one of the 4000 or so sent this year. I futzed (and fussed) over it 'till the very last moment. Today I'm feeling like I've given it my best shot. Tomorrow, I know, I'll be more sober.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on February 02, 2006, 11:10:13 AM
LSN keeps going up and down with Yale acceptances. Back up today, new one is Little Boo Hoo. For real?

This could mean they are starting up again.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 02, 2006, 11:34:17 AM
LSN keeps going up and down with Yale acceptances. Back up today, new one is Little Boo Hoo. For real?

This could mean they are starting up again.

It is probably real, but I suspect that is an old notification. All of that person's applications have been updated today, and I don't recall seeing him before.

This is becoming unbearable! And on top of this silence from Yale, I have to put up with this banter ( ;) ) about how Richard Rorty is the greatest philosopher since Wittgenstein! (Btw, I possess this humorous photograph of Rorty snoozing in his office--priceless.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 02, 2006, 01:37:40 PM
Okay, scratch that. I just got the call.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 02, 2006, 02:01:38 PM
Well done!

Now you've just driven Su and Swats to distraction  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 02, 2006, 02:05:23 PM
Well done!

Now you've just driven Su and Swats to distraction  ;D

Yes, yes he has.

But congrats hypanon!  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 02, 2006, 07:29:47 PM
Nah, surely it's better to keep hope alive?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on February 02, 2006, 08:06:34 PM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 02, 2006, 08:08:57 PM
Okay, scratch that. I just got the call.  ;D ;D ;D

congrats hypanon!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 02, 2006, 08:37:37 PM
seriously, though - you wouldn't hesitate if you got in, right?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: pass36 on February 02, 2006, 08:43:52 PM
Congrats Hypanon!!
Well Done. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 02, 2006, 08:45:07 PM
Yeah, ok. I don't understand how people who get accepted to NHSoL can decide to go to that assembly plant in Cambridge instead, or for that matter, to the NYC schools. Seeing that kind of decision-making is enough to make one weep.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 02, 2006, 08:51:57 PM
No one deserves Yale, that's part of what makes it a great school. Everyone there is there because they were lucky.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 02, 2006, 09:00:18 PM
I'm still attracted to the law school because of those two (Dworkin in particular).  His stuff is absolutely fascinating.

Yeah, Yale doesn't quite have the philosophical (wo)manpower that NYU does. They do have Bruce Ackerman, and his work often focuses on themes consonant with Rawls's 'political liberalism.' And Ackerman occasionally writes for the Journal of Philosophy...

But this relative weakness is--in my eyes--compensated by Yale's absolute strength in constitutional law (according to Leiter anyway).


Oh, and Yale's philosophy department also has--if you are willing to cross-register--Seyla Benhabib, who wrote a great book on communication ethics  (e.g. Habermas) entitled Critique, Norm, and Utopia. She has written other texts as well, but that one I know personally to be excellent.

Not quite philosophy of law, but it's relevant.


Yay! I just noticed your signature...Congrats on YLS!!!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 02, 2006, 09:56:37 PM
No one deserves Yale, that's part of what makes it a great school. Everyone there is there because they were lucky.

I totally agree with you. I spoke with one of the YLS admissions officers at the NYC LSAC forum and she said pretty much the same thing. Well, she said something like "nobody has a really good chance of being admitted"

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 03, 2006, 07:46:35 AM
No one deserves Yale, that's part of what makes it a great school. Everyone there is there because they were lucky.

I totally agree with you. I spoke with one of the YLS admissions officers at the NYC LSAC forum and she said pretty much the same thing. Well, she said something like "nobody has a really good chance of being admitted"



do you really think that's accurate?

HYP 3.9+ / 180 / some campus involvement would have a > 60% chance of admission -- i'd call that a really good chance


I think she's too modest to admit it, but I honestly believe that fatcat not only had a really good chance.  I think she was an auto-admit (180, 3.97 HYP, good EC's).  I would say the same for eclair (177, 3.96, URM, good EC's).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 03, 2006, 07:56:05 AM
Woo-hoo!  More Yalies ;D.  Congrats, hypanon!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on February 03, 2006, 08:49:15 AM
No one deserves Yale, that's part of what makes it a great school. Everyone there is there because they were lucky.

I totally agree with you. I spoke with one of the YLS admissions officers at the NYC LSAC forum and she said pretty much the same thing. Well, she said something like "nobody has a really good chance of being admitted"



do you really think that's accurate?

HYP 3.9+ / 180 / some campus involvement would have a > 60% chance of admission -- i'd call that a really good chance


I think she's too modest to admit it, but I honestly believe that fatcat not only had a really good chance.  I think she was an auto-admit (180, 3.97 HYP, good EC's).  I would say the same for eclair (177, 3.96, URM, good EC's).

blushing...but flattered.  :-[  :D :D

congrats again to hypanon... and hopefully his call indicates that yale's back in the acceptance business for a while!

btw, hypanon - i think you might want to get a second opinion on the academia/judge question. as you know, most of our current supreme court justices went to H, so if that's in your plans for the future (as you suggested by your mention of a potential confirmation hearing some posts back  ;) ) you might want to at least look into it a bit more. Also, plenty of HLS grads (I think esp. those who make the Harvard Law Review) go into academia - that's my boyfriend's current plans after he works off his loans a bit, for example.  :D You might want to get a sense from law *professors* as opposed to students - as they tend to have a better sense of the competition on the teaching market... Your house tutors, esp. if they're not considering academia themselves, might not have the kind of info you'd be looking for (I found that was true with my house tutors). (Not that I'm trying to push you away from Yale... just saying there might be other ways to feel out the info out there.)  :D :D

crossing my fingers for luck for all the obsessed out there... i'm hoping this will be a good week for LSD folks!  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 03, 2006, 09:43:44 AM
btw, hypanon - i think you might want to get a second opinion on the academia/judge question. as you know, most of our current supreme court justices went to H, so if that's in your plans for the future (as you suggested by your mention of a potential confirmation hearing some posts back  ;) ) you might want to at least look into it a bit more. Also, plenty of HLS grads (I think esp. those who make the Harvard Law Review) go into academia - that's my boyfriend's current plans after he works off his loans a bit, for example.  :D You might want to get a sense from law *professors* as opposed to students - as they tend to have a better sense of the competition on the teaching market... Your house tutors, esp. if they're not considering academia themselves, might not have the kind of info you'd be looking for (I found that was true with my house tutors). (Not that I'm trying to push you away from Yale... just saying there might be other ways to feel out the info out there.)  :D :D

Yes, of course you're right. I certainly don't intend to rely solely on the judgment of house tutors, as helpful as they sometimes can be. I just thought it humorous that such was the response I got from an HLS student.

Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 03, 2006, 11:43:56 AM
Yeah, ok. I don't understand how people who get accepted to NHSoL can decide to go to that assembly plant in Cambridge instead, or for that matter, to the NYC schools. Seeing that kind of decision-making is enough to make one weep.

Riiighhhht...  I can actually think of a lot of reasons why someone would prefer the "assembly plant in Cambridge" or the NYC schools.  (Well, NYU anyway.  I kind of get the impression that Columbia is Harvard Lite, but they probably have specific stuff going for them as well).

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer yale, but I don't think there's such a huge difference that there's only one answer for everyone.  And I for one am not going to be crying into my beer for not getting into Yale. I'm pretty sure my life won't be significantly the worse for it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 03, 2006, 11:50:19 AM
Yeah, ok. I don't understand how people who get accepted to NHSoL can decide to go to that assembly plant in Cambridge instead, or for that matter, to the NYC schools. Seeing that kind of decision-making is enough to make one weep.

Riiighhhht...  I can actually think of a lot of reasons why someone would prefer the "assembly plant in Cambridge" or the NYC schools.  (Well, NYU anyway.  I kind of get the impression that Columbia is Harvard Lite, but they probably have specific stuff going for them as well).

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer yale, but I don't think there's such a huge difference that there's only one answer for everyone.  And I for one am not going to be crying into my beer for not getting into Yale. I'm pretty sure my life won't be significantly the worse for it.

Clearly I am missing what Harvard's appeal is.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 03, 2006, 12:36:49 PM
so... 

hey su, at what point is it socially acceptable to have a nervous breakdown, even if one has virtually no chance of getting in?  i've been complete for a hundred days now.  :-\

(i'm not this neurotic in real life.  really...)

I think it's socially acceptable at any point, and may actually be beneficial to your health in the long run.

I just checked my LSN, and as it turns out tomorrow will be 100 days from my complete.

I don't know.  For whatever reason I'm actually getting less and less concerned about whether or not I get in.

Clearly I am missing what Harvard's appeal is.

Location, great joint degree options (for gov't stuff anyway, I don't know much about any other programs, but it sounds like the business joint degree would be good for people going in that direction), a larger pool of students and therefore a greater chance of finding a group of people who share any given interest/hobby/lifestyle/etc., I would guess more classes to choose from, though I haven't counted, more professors, and so a greater liklihood of finding a prof with a very specific interest, huge layperson and international name recognition & appreciation which might be significant in a job hunt.

Also, just generally, some people might not feel like they'd fit in at Yale.  It has such a scholarly reputation that people who don't want to be academics might be more interested in other schools.  I know that at least Alcabaides says that it isn't really like that, and that there are plenty of people focusing on options other than academia, but just from the general reputation, I could see being aprehensive about that.

I admit that this may all be rationalization because I'm not going to get in at YLS, but I don't at all think you'd have to be crazy at all to pick HLS or NYU.

JSIA.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 03, 2006, 01:21:23 PM
Hmm...I think you'd actually have to be crazy to pick NYU over Yale unless you got one of those full-ride scholarships.  Many of the people who get those choose Yale anyway.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 03, 2006, 02:00:28 PM
There are many positive things to say about HLS. Su is right about the joint degree opportunities, particularly with respect to those wanting a Masters in Public Policy. If that is to your taste, then Harvard is absolutely optimal: HLS + the Kennedy School! And the large-school environment is conducive, like Su says, to ensuring that there will be people who share your interests/persuasions. HLS's size and stature also ensure that the campus is animated. There are always conferences, panels, visiting lecturers, etc. I'm sure the same is true at YLS, but given the size of HLS, comparatively I'd imagine that HLS has more frequent events and a wider range of them. And, of course, if business law is your thing, HLS will probably be a better place for you. And, somewhat juxtapositional, if you want to study critical legal theories, HLS has some really great people (Roberto Unger!). That latter consideration is in fact adding difficulty to my decision-making, though I doubt it will be enough to entice me to go to HLS over YLS.

Cambridge/Boston is also a really great place to live. It is an urban environment, so of course crime can occasionally be an issue. But it really isn't something to worry much about.

And if you are interested in normative ethics and value theory (I hate to get back to this  ;) ), Harvard's philosophy department is tops in that area. You could cross-register and take Christine Korsgaard's renowned course on Kant's ethical theory, for example. Or you could take T.M. Scanlon's courses in political philosophy. Or, if you are really gutsy, you could take a graduate-level seminar with Amartya Sen and Philippe Van Parijs on some cutting edge question of social justice or political philosophy, or the biannual seminar with Scanlon and Derek Parfit in which the work consists of reading the manuscript of Parfit's developing second book and discussing/challenging it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on February 03, 2006, 03:05:02 PM
Yeah, ok. I don't understand how people who get accepted to NHSoL can decide to go to that assembly plant in Cambridge instead, or for that matter, to the NYC schools. Seeing that kind of decision-making is enough to make one weep.

Riiighhhht...  I can actually think of a lot of reasons why someone would prefer the "assembly plant in Cambridge" or the NYC schools.  (Well, NYU anyway.  I kind of get the impression that Columbia is Harvard Lite, but they probably have specific stuff going for them as well).

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer yale, but I don't think there's such a huge difference that there's only one answer for everyone.  And I for one am not going to be crying into my beer for not getting into Yale. I'm pretty sure my life won't be significantly the worse for it.

Clearly I am missing what Harvard's appeal is.

people who want to go out a lot and not constantly see the same people might want to go to boston -- it's a bigger city than new haven, and it's got dozens of colleges.  also, Y & S are supposedly alot like high school.  high school was fun and all, but it can get old seeing the same people every day and not having privacy.  then again, some say H is like high school too, but at least it's a bigger high school.

some people are the opposite of the Cheers crew -- they want to go where not everyone knows their name


and if you *do* want to go "where everybody knows your name," well, harvard can still satisfy that need: there's a cheers bar in boston.
see http://www.cheersboston.com/

 ;)  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 03, 2006, 05:16:26 PM
There are many positive things to say about Harvard. Su is right about the joint degree opportunities, particularly with respect to those wanting a Masters in Public Policy. If that is to your taste, then Harvard is absolutely optimal: HLS + the Kennedy School! And the large-school environment is conducive, like Su says, to ensuring that there will be people who share your interests/persuasions. HLS's size and stature also ensure that the campus is animated. There are always conferences, panels, visiting lecturers, etc. I'm sure the same is true at Yale, but given the size of Harvard, comparatively I'd imagine that Harvard has more frequent events and a wider range of them. And, of course, if business law is your thing, Harvard will probably be a better place for you. And, somewhat juxtapositional, if you want to study critical legal theories, Harvard has some really great people (Roberto Unger!). That latter consideration is in fact adding difficulty to my decision-making.

Cambridge/Boston is also a really great place to live. It is an urban environment, so of course crime can occasionally be an issue. But it really isn't something to worry much about.

And if you are interested in normative ethics and value theory (I hate to get back to this  ;) ), Harvard's philosophy department is tops in that area. You could cross-register and take Christine Korsgaard's renowned course on Kant's ethical theory, for example. Or you could take T.M. Scanlon's courses in political philosophy. Or, if you are really gutsy, you could take a graduate-level seminar with Amartya Sen and Philippe Van Parijs on some cutting edge question of social justice or political philosophy, or the biannual seminar with Scanlon and Derek Parfit in which the work consists of reading the manuscript of Parfit's developing second book and discussing/challenging it.


I think you have a point here in terms of cross-registering, learning more about business and crit theory, etc.  The problem is, because there are grades that matter and more rigid course requirements, you don't get to take as full advantage of those things.  It's just like at Stanford and at HLS now, I think, there is a Supreme Court Litigation clinic and it's a big selling point.  But...only 10-15 people or so a year even get to do it, and you can't do clinics as a 1L at most law schools.  You can take some crit theory 2L and 3L, but there's a good chance a lot of the things you want to take will conflict.  And even if they don't, you won't want to take on a huge courseload because that could negatively affect your grades and thus, your employment opportunities.

I've found myself overwhelmed with all of the things YLS has to offer.  Like you, there are some things about HLS that I wanted to take advantage of (i.e., Lani Guinier, Randall Kennedy, the Kennedy School.) But there is a ton going on here, and I'm thinking now that even if I'd gone to HLS I wouldn't really get to soak up all of that extra stuff.  Especially since I'd still be taking Civil Procedure and Torts and Contracts right now instead of Critical Theories of Law and the Law of Democracy.

I thought about the Boston as a better city thing a bit as well.  But the thing is, Boston is a city, but it's not a great city.  Of course this is a matter of personal taste.  If you really love Boston and you need to live closer to a city than we are to New York, go for it.  But if you just think, "Gee, I like cities more but not specifically Boston," don't give up Yale to go to HLS.  Just come to Yale and do what many students and some profs do: Be in New Haven on the days you have class and spend your weekends in New York.  NYC >>>>>>> Boston.

There's another thing to think about here too.  Law firm recruitment and other legal employment processes are stupid.  For some reason, they want people who go to Yale regardless of our supposed lack of blackletter training.  They honestly believe that YLSers are smart enough to pick things up on the job, though I'm not entirely convinced this is true.  It's not like anyone from HLS is going to have a hard time finding a job.  But there is more competition for a limited number of jobs, just 'cause you have all those smart people in the same place.  Maybe you aren't risk averse so this is not convincing to you, but it was definitely a factor in my decision that you cannot bank on being in the top 50% at HLS, no matter how smart you think you are.  You can bank on passing and even getting a good number of Honors at YLS.  It's a nice feeling and worth the sacrifice of 20 extra classes I probably won't be able to fit into my schedule anyway.

There are also lots of reading groups at YLS that help fill gaps in the curriculum.  For example, my crit theory group is one of them.  There's also one on Poverty and Opportunity, Migration, something about Latin America, etc. etc. etc.  A friend and I are thinking about doing something next term about Images of Law in Black Literature (or maybe just poetry; I'm not sure.)  There is sooo much flexibility, so you can just create things if they aren't offered.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 03, 2006, 05:55:09 PM
There is sooo much flexibility, so you can just create things if they aren't offered.

Agreed with all of the above.  Just want to add that I was surprised at the number and breadth of the reading groups offered this semester, and, to my knowledge, they're open to anyone.  And today, our Property prof urged us at least 3 times to create a reading group (which he would advise) to explore oil, gas, and water rights (a really fascinating subject) more deeply.  A legal education at YLS really is meant to be tailored to your desires.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 04, 2006, 10:41:03 AM
There is sooo much flexibility, so you can just create things if they aren't offered.

Agreed with all of the above.  Just want to add that I was surprised at the number and breadth of the reading groups offered this semester, and, to my knowledge, they're open to anyone.  And today, our Property prof urged us at least 3 times to create a reading group (which he would advise) to explore oil, gas, and water rights (a really fascinating subject) more deeply.  A legal education at YLS really is meant to be tailored to your desires.

Alcibiades: I didn't realize that reading groups were so formalized. Are all reading groups advised by professors, and what is the typical role of an advisor? In what way are reading groups "offered"? Does the Law School put together a list of them for each semester?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on February 04, 2006, 10:52:20 AM
 A friend and I are thinking about doing something next term about Images of Law in Black Literature (or maybe just poetry; I'm not sure.)  There is sooo much flexibility, so you can just create things if they aren't offered.
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This is a great idea, Valentine--I'm so there!  Who were you thinking of asking to be the faculty advisor for the group? 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 04, 2006, 12:29:53 PM
A friend and I are thinking about doing something next term about Images of Law in Black Literature (or maybe just poetry; I'm not sure.)  There is sooo much flexibility, so you can just create things if they aren't offered.

This is a great idea, Valentine--I'm so there!  Who were you thinking of asking to be the faculty advisor for the group? 
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Thanks! We haven't gotten that far yet, but would welcome your input.  lol,m we're really in the stages of thinking about what the name of the group should be!

There is sooo much flexibility, so you can just create things if they aren't offered.

Agreed with all of the above.  Just want to add that I was surprised at the number and breadth of the reading groups offered this semester, and, to my knowledge, they're open to anyone.  And today, our Property prof urged us at least 3 times to create a reading group (which he would advise) to explore oil, gas, and water rights (a really fascinating subject) more deeply.  A legal education at YLS really is meant to be tailored to your desires.

Alcibiades: I didn't realize that reading groups were so formalized. Are all reading groups advised by professors, and what is the typical advisorial role? In what way are reading groups "offered"? Does the Law School put together a list of them for each semester?

They are really not that formalized.  You have to get a faculty advisor and fill out a form with the registrar, along with a syllabus.  And then the registrar emails the list out to the student body so you can enroll for whichever ones you want, just like registering for any other class.  Lots of advisors are pretty hands-off, but it also depends on the professor and the subject of the reading group.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 04, 2006, 02:54:02 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of more widespread panic among the yale-obsessed, but the dings have started. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 04, 2006, 04:06:50 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of more widespread panic among the yale-obsessed, but the dings have started. 

oh my...

sorry dw.  harvard's not too bad of a consolation prize though  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 04, 2006, 04:31:31 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of more widespread panic among the yale-obsessed, but the dings have started. 

oh my...

sorry dw.  harvard's not too bad of a consolation prize though  :)

thanks chombi.  i'm pretty happy to have harvard and a bunch of other great schools in the yes column, so i'm not taking it too hard.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 04, 2006, 04:46:58 PM
Sorry to be the bearer of more widespread panic among the yale-obsessed, but the dings have started. 

What! You, dinged? Already??
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 04, 2006, 10:15:37 PM
:-\

this will only make me agonize about this school even more. 

don't worry Stan, you're too smart to be dinged by NHSoL :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 05, 2006, 08:18:56 AM
Sorry to be the bearer of more widespread panic among the yale-obsessed, but the dings have started. 

Damn.  I'm sorry.

And I'm sure I'll be joining you next time the mail comes.   :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 05, 2006, 08:28:57 AM
do you guys think yale would consider an app sent in this week (the deadline was feb 1)?

still working on a 250 worder


I think so. It would be disadvantaged but would still be examined. Yale is like that.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 05, 2006, 08:41:50 AM
do you guys think yale would consider an app sent in this week (the deadline was feb 1)?

still working on a 250 worder


I think so. It would be disadvantaged but would still be examined. Yale is like that.

ditto
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 05, 2006, 08:46:09 AM
Sorry to be the bearer of more widespread panic among the yale-obsessed, but the dings have started. 

Damn.  I'm sorry.

And I'm sure I'll be joining you next time the mail comes.   :-\

Su, you were just talking about this last night, and now they have started...scary!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 05, 2006, 08:47:37 AM
Sorry to be the bearer of more widespread panic among the yale-obsessed, but the dings have started. 

Damn.  I'm sorry.

And I'm sure I'll be joining you next time the mail comes.   :-\

Su, you were just talking about this last night, and now they have started...scary!

I've been expecting them, since last year they started at the end of January.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: asdf1234 on February 05, 2006, 09:58:14 PM
Hey alci,

be my admissions counselor.

I just got my last grade back (finally) and I did reasonably well.. my 3.83 is now bumped up to a 3.84 (which is somewhat insignificant, I know).  I am also doing some cool stuff for a club of mine, but nothing fantastic.  (I actually did get a fantastic reseach opportunity but rescinded the award for personal reasons...)

Should I send a nice little letter updating them on my continued interest/grades/clubs, however mundane?  Or maybe not send in the letter but order another LSAC report?  Or maybe both?  Or just not bother?

What's your opinion?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 05, 2006, 10:24:57 PM
Hm.  I don't think an updated LSAC report would hurt...let them see your good grades.  But a letter probably wouldn't do any good unless you have something to report that is noticeably different from what you've done in the recent past.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on February 06, 2006, 12:59:20 AM
Should I send a nice little letter updating them on my continued interest/grades/clubs, however mundane?  Or maybe not send in the letter but order another LSAC report?  Or maybe both?  Or just not bother?


I'm neither Alci nor an admitted student, but ...

in the interests of time, you might send a transcript directly, as well as through LSAC.  Although they still might want the officially processed and reported version, I'm pretty sure faculty at Yale are capable of looking at the raw grades while LSAC does that (often time-consuming) official processing.

To check this, just call YLS and ask.  I've heard their admissions staff are quite helpful.


Most law schools want to be informed of any grade/status updates of that sort, so you'll definitely want to send new transcripts (via whichever method/s).  Whether you should write the letter describing ECs is less clear.  How long ago did you submit your application?  Have there been any significant changes, or is it the same kind of cool stuff you did before?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 07:11:53 AM
I'm really not looking forward to getting home from work tonight.

At least I have a bottle of Jack on hand...  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 06, 2006, 07:16:03 AM
I'm really not looking forward to getting home from work tonight.

At least I have a bottle of Jack on hand...  :D

We're rooting for you! :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 07:20:38 AM
 :-[  Thanks!   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 06, 2006, 08:07:00 AM
:-[  Thanks!   :D

i think you clearly win the "if you could choose one person on lsd other than yourself to get accepted into NHSoL, who would it be?" award.  given by the board as a whole, of course.  ;)

Seconded.  And since I'm clearly not getting in ( :-\ ), you win my "person from lsd i most want to get accepted to NHSoL" award flat out, because I just love that you're so honest about wanting it so much.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 09:03:42 AM
As long as I'm not winning the "Obnoxious female dog who won't shut up about Yale" award, I'm happy.   :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2006, 09:20:47 AM
As long as I'm not winning the "Obnoxious female dog who won't shut up about Yale" award, I'm happy.   :-\

Never! You win the "Lesbian who loves desserts and will get into Yale cause she is wicked smart and totally deserves it" award.  :)

Pardon my GAK.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 09:35:44 AM
As long as I'm not winning the "Obnoxious female dog who won't shut up about Yale" award, I'm happy.   :-\

Never! You win the "Lesbian who loves desserts and will get into Yale cause she is wicked smart and totally deserves it" award.  :)

Pardon my GAK.

I thought it was the "Chick who's always freakin' going on about being a lesbian" award.

And what's a GAK?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2006, 09:41:20 AM
As long as I'm not winning the "Obnoxious female dog who won't shut up about Yale" award, I'm happy.   :-\

Never! You win the "Lesbian who loves desserts and will get into Yale cause she is wicked smart and totally deserves it" award.  :)

Pardon my GAK.

I thought it was the "Chick who's always freakin' going on about being a lesbian" award.

And what's a GAK?

 :D I guess it is that, too. But the one I came up with sounds better. :)

Oh, GAK is the term that some people on the board have been using lately every time one poster compliments another. It is supposed to stand for gratuitous ass kissing. So, accordingly, I felt the need to appologize for my nice comments in case anyone took offense.  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 12:58:54 PM
Does ass kicking require the recipient to be in a postion of power?  Because I would have said it did, but apparently no...

I have this really strong urge to start a "Top 10 Reasons We Didn't Really Want to Go to Yale Anyway" thread.  Oh, pre-actual-rejection sour grapes.   :D  I'm such a basket case on this board.  I'm not nearly this crazy in real life, I swear.  (And no, meetings of people from a law school focused board don't count as real life.   :P)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2006, 01:12:01 PM
Does ass kicking require the recipient to be in a postion of power?  Because I would have said it did, but apparently no...

I have this really strong urge to start a "Top 10 Reasons We Didn't Really Want to Go to Yale Anyway" thread.  Oh, pre-actual-rejection sour grapes.   :D  I'm such a basket case on this board.  I'm not nearly this crazy in real life, I swear.  (And no, meetings of people from a law school focused board don't count as real life.   :P)

1.  :D

2. You should start that thread

3. It DOES count as real life!!!  :P
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on February 06, 2006, 02:19:36 PM
I can think of a bunch of rational reasons for why Yale shouldn't be my top choice, but I can't make myself believe them :).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 02:22:58 PM
I can think of a bunch of rational reasons for why Yale shouldn't be my top choice, but I can't make myself believe them :).

Yeah, me too, in truth.  But I figure that along with Jack and junk food they'll console me when I get the letter.   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on February 06, 2006, 02:32:11 PM
Phew, nothing in the mail box today.  Or perhaps the post office is just slow.  I hadn't originally been obsessing about Yale but y'all have infected me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2006, 02:34:35 PM
I can think of a bunch of rational reasons for why Yale shouldn't be my top choice, but I can't make myself believe them :).

Yeah, me too, in truth.  But I figure that along with Jack and junk food they'll console me when I get the letter.   :D

I think this should be a theme of a future lovefest. Not Curlyfest, cause she got in, but our next one. :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 06, 2006, 02:59:06 PM
I can think of a bunch of rational reasons for why Yale shouldn't be my top choice, but I can't make myself believe them :).

I dunno...I find that the Tobester can be mighty convincing.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: asdf1234 on February 06, 2006, 03:50:46 PM
Hm.  I don't think an updated LSAC report would hurt...let them see your good grades.  But a letter probably wouldn't do any good unless you have something to report that is noticeably different from what you've done in the recent past.

Thanks for the advice (and you too ibroadrunr).  I'll send in an LSAC report, but I think your opinion on the letter is pretty accurate.  (Of course, had I taken the research grant it would be another story, but I can't do something if my heart isn't in it, Yale or no Yale.)

I don't think I will rush them my transcript or anthing though.  If they are planning on giving me a swift February rejection, the 0.01 GPA boost won't do much to change it.  It might come in handy as extra supporting evidence of continued effort/success in March/April though if I am on the borderline between reject/waitlist or waitlist/accept.

Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 04:38:50 PM
As long as I'm not winning the "Obnoxious female dog who won't shut up about Yale" award, I'm happy.   :-\

Never! You win the "Lesbian who loves desserts and will get into Yale cause she is wicked smart and totally deserves it" award.  :)

Pardon my GAK.

i can't believe you actually used the word "wicked."

and GAK is acceptable when it comes to su.  i don't know why.

at this point i kind of want her to get in more than i want to get in myself.

I think when prefaced with "wicked" the pronunciation of smart changes to "smaht."  Not that either really applies.

And seriously, Stan, you have to want to get in yourself more.  Don't be silly.  You so deserve it more than I do and you know it.

And for the record, my ding hasn't arrived yet, unless my housemates lost it before I got home.  But I feel incredibly guilty for spending all day worried about it anyway, because on the way home I got worse news from my sister, whose cat was just killed.   :'(  :'( 
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 06, 2006, 04:48:01 PM
As long as I'm not winning the "Obnoxious female dog who won't shut up about Yale" award, I'm happy.   :-\

Never! You win the "Lesbian who loves desserts and will get into Yale cause she is wicked smart and totally deserves it" award.  :)

Pardon my GAK.

i can't believe you actually used the word "wicked."

and GAK is acceptable when it comes to su.  i don't know why.

at this point i kind of want her to get in more than i want to get in myself.

I think when prefaced with "wicked" the pronunciation of smart changes to "smaht."  Not that either really applies.

And seriously, Stan, you have to want to get in yourself more.  Don't be silly.  You so deserve it more than I do and you know it.

And for the record, my ding hasn't arrived yet, unless my housemates lost it before I got home.  But I feel incredibly guilty for spending all day worried about it anyway, because on the way home I got worse news from my sister, whose cat was just killed.   :'(  :'( 

oh no! i'm sorry su :(  it's been a bad few days for cats in the su family, huh?
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 04:57:50 PM
oh no! i'm sorry su :(  it's been a bad few days for cats in the su family, huh?

It really has.  I feel so awful for my sister, and her cat, of course.  And the sister of the cat who died, who will probably also be very sad.

So my lesson for the day is that there are more important things than getting into law schools.  I probably could have worked that out on my own anyway, but there we are.   :(
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 06, 2006, 05:01:28 PM
oh no! i'm sorry su :(  it's been a bad few days for cats in the su family, huh?

It really has.  I feel so awful for my sister, and her cat, of course.  And the sister of the cat who died, who will probably also be very sad.

So my lesson for the day is that there are more important things than getting into law schools.  I probably could have worked that out on my own anyway, but there we are.   :(


Sorry Su...
:( who/what killed your sister's cat?! :( :( :( sad times...
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 05:03:41 PM
Sorry Su...
:( who/what killed your sister's cat?! :( :( :( sad times...

A car.  I guess it was quick, anyway.  I didn't hear if they stopped or not, and I didn't want to ask.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 06, 2006, 05:05:43 PM
Sorry Su...
:( who/what killed your sister's cat?! :( :( :( sad times...

A car.  I guess it was quick, anyway.  I didn't hear if they stopped or not, and I didn't want to ask.

 :'( poor kittie...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2006, 05:35:16 PM
Su, I'm so sorry to hear about your sister's cat!  :( You are right, there are more important things than getting into law schools.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 06, 2006, 05:54:15 PM
su,

if you had the choice between:

1) reversing what happened to the cat; being rejected from yale

or

2) not changing what happened to the cat; being accepted to yale

which one would you pick?


1).  No question.  I couldn't face my sister ever again if I chose the second one.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 06, 2006, 06:02:01 PM
su,

if you had the choice between:

1) reversing what happened to the cat; being rejected from yale

or

2) not changing what happened to the cat; being accepted to yale

which one would you pick?


1).  No question.  I couldn't face my sister ever again if I chose the second one.

Congrads Su, you are human after all.  :D

 :-*
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 06, 2006, 06:02:12 PM
su,

if you had the choice between:

1) reversing what happened to the cat; being rejected from yale

or

2) not changing what happened to the cat; being accepted to yale

which one would you pick?


1).  No question.  I couldn't face my sister ever again if I chose the second one.

titcr  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on February 06, 2006, 06:02:50 PM
I haven't posted in this thread before (commiserations on the cat).
I could probably dig this up from another thread, but laziness...

I have been complete for about 2 weeks.  Clearly, I am not entitled to whine, complain or even wonder, but, I still will.  What is the consensus on length of time complete=acceptance?  Is a pattern emerging some intrepid posters have bar graphed?  If I don't hear I'm in in a month, is it curtains for me?

Now that the rejections are on the move, this all seems more urgent.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: corky on February 06, 2006, 08:28:51 PM
b) we know that faculty members do the ratings that make up the bulk of the decisions

Only among those forwarded by Megan.  The vast, vast, majority of applicants are rejected outright, and she makes that decision.

okay, i know i just posted in this thread but whatever!

okay so the 2/2 dings.  are they the first round of people weeded out by faculty or are they the people that didn't make it past megan?  the impression that i got from alci's post is that the first wave of dings is the applications that don't make it past megan, so does that mean they're just starting the first round of faculty reviews?  and if so, how long does this first round take?  when can we expect the next wave of admits/dings?

were there a significant number of acceptances to accompany these dings?  an absence of acceptances would seem to indicate that these were megan-dings. 

any thoughts?

also, i REALLY hope NHSoL is using the columbia/harvard six day mailing plan for me, and not the nyu month and a half plan.  >:(

sorry if this post is a downer for anyone.  i'm just really obsessive about this one.  :-\

I only know of a few people who got dinged, but they were really strong candidates and I'd be shocked if they were auto-rejects.  I think that faculty review has started, but this is just wild speculation at this point.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: A. on February 06, 2006, 08:36:04 PM
b) we know that faculty members do the ratings that make up the bulk of the decisions

Only among those forwarded by Megan.  The vast, vast, majority of applicants are rejected outright, and she makes that decision.

okay, i know i just posted in this thread but whatever!

okay so the 2/2 dings.  are they the first round of people weeded out by faculty or are they the people that didn't make it past megan?  the impression that i got from alci's post is that the first wave of dings is the applications that don't make it past megan, so does that mean they're just starting the first round of faculty reviews?  and if so, how long does this first round take?  when can we expect the next wave of admits/dings?

were there a significant number of acceptances to accompany these dings?  an absence of acceptances would seem to indicate that these were megan-dings. 

any thoughts?

also, i REALLY hope NHSoL is using the columbia/harvard six day mailing plan for me, and not the nyu month and a half plan.  >:(

sorry if this post is a downer for anyone.  i'm just really obsessive about this one.  :-\

I can only speculate, but I would wager the faculty review process started long ago.  They just waited until now to release the dings.  Probably some humanitarian reasons behind that, although it might seem counterintuitive to some.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: corky on February 06, 2006, 08:41:05 PM
I can only speculate, but I would wager the faculty review process started long ago.  They just waited until now to release the dings.  Probably some humanitarian reasons behind that, although it might seem counterintuitive to some.

well that makes sense, why hold off on it.  i was just thinking that maybe they weren't through the first cycle and so these dings were the ones that didn't make it past megan.

oh well...  :-\

A rejection in February is a lot less painful than one in May. It may just be me, but I want mine now rather than spend any more time worrying about it.
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 06, 2006, 09:16:02 PM
A rejection in February is a lot less painful than one in May. It may just be me, but I want mine now rather than spend any more time worrying about it.

i'm given to agree.  i want to be able to move on, settle in on nyu or columbia.


Most people would *kill* to go to those schools!!!! Even if NHSoL doesn't work out, you will definitely be pretty well taken care of ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 06, 2006, 09:31:57 PM
i know; that's why i'm not going to be TOO disappointed (i'm such a liar).  :)

i just want certainty right now.  :D

I totally hear that, that's why I was anticipating my Harvard ding, as bizarre as that sounds! I was actually a little annoyed that they deferred me instead of rejecting me outright and ending my wait. It sounds crazy, I know :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 06, 2006, 09:50:33 PM
i know i haven't expressed my obsession much, but i figured it's about time i officially joined this thread.

exhibit A: an old yale purple jansport bookbag, purchased during my one and only visit to new haven at the age of 9.  i've sewn the bottom up 3 times, replaced the zipper many more.  and i still use it as my daily bookbag (i tried my best to cover up with a sharpie all those embarassing things i wrote on the straps with whiteout in 5th grade..."no doubt rocks!" peace sign...yin yang sign..."beattles"--misspelled just like that--though you can still read them all faintly).

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 06, 2006, 10:18:03 PM
i know i haven't expressed my obsession much, but i figured it's about time i officially joined this thread.

exhibit A: an old yale purple jansport bookbag, purchased during my one and only visit to new haven at the age of 9.  i've sewn the bottom up 3 times, replaced the zipper many more.  and i still use it as my daily bookbag (i tried my best to cover up with a sharpie all those embarassing things i wrote on the straps with whiteout in 5th grade..."no doubt rocks!" peace sign...yin yang sign..."beattles"--misspelled just like that--though you can still read them all faintly).

this made me laugh.  :D

al- no, not crazy.  i think it makes perfect sense.  though that just might mean I'M crazy.  :D


well if we're both crazy, then at least I'm in good company (I'm referring to the numerous voices in my head, of course...)  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 07, 2006, 06:30:51 AM
Got my ding today ;D  They have officially reached the west coast!

:( sorry tra...you've got some really great options so don't sweat it too much!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 07, 2006, 09:57:44 AM
i know i haven't expressed my obsession much, but i figured it's about time i officially joined this thread.

exhibit A: an old yale purple jansport bookbag, purchased during my one and only visit to new haven at the age of 9.  i've sewn the bottom up 3 times, replaced the zipper many more.  and i still use it as my daily bookbag (i tried my best to cover up with a sharpie all those embarassing things i wrote on the straps with whiteout in 5th grade..."no doubt rocks!" peace sign...yin yang sign..."beattles"--misspelled just like that--though you can still read them all faintly).

Welcome to the thread.   :D

Sigh.  It's tense on the thread these days...

I very rarely get calls during the workday, because my friends and family all know I'm working, and I almost never get calls from anyone else.  But lately this friend of mine has decided to randomly call and leave me voicemail messages during the day, in spite of knowing full well that I won't pick up.  I feel bad, but every time she leaves a message I get pissed at her for, y'know, not being Yale.

I really need to just get my ding and get over it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 07, 2006, 10:51:01 AM
Welcome to the thread.   :D

Sigh.  It's tense on the thread these days...

I very rarely get calls during the workday, because my friends and family all know I'm working, and I almost never get calls from anyone else.  But lately this friend of mine has decided to randomly call and leave me voicemail messages during the day, in spite of knowing full well that I won't pick up.  I feel bad, but every time she leaves a message I get pissed at her for, y'know, not being Yale.

I really need to just get my ding and get over it.

LOL. If I had your phone number, I might start randomly calling you from the 203 area code and leaving voice mail :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 07, 2006, 11:11:14 AM
LOL. If I had your phone number, I might start randomly calling you from the 203 area code and leaving voice mail :)

In that case, I'm glad you don't have my phone number.  That would do very, very bad things to my blood pressure.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 07, 2006, 11:20:24 AM
LOL. If I had your phone number, I might start randomly calling you from the 203 area code and leaving voice mail :)

In that case, I'm glad you don't have my phone number.  That would do very, very bad things to my blood pressure.

Su, you could always do the same, calling people from the 617 area code and making their blood pressure go up!  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 07, 2006, 11:23:28 AM
LOL. If I had your phone number, I might start randomly calling you from the 203 area code and leaving voice mail :)

In that case, I'm glad you don't have my phone number.  That would do very, very bad things to my blood pressure.

Su, you could always do the same, calling people from the 617 area code and making their blood pressure go up!  :D

Only if I used my work phone.  My cell is still an 802, and I don't have a landline at home.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 07, 2006, 11:30:59 AM
LOL. If I had your phone number, I might start randomly calling you from the 203 area code and leaving voice mail :)

In that case, I'm glad you don't have my phone number.  That would do very, very bad things to my blood pressure.

Su, you could always do the same, calling people from the 617 area code and making their blood pressure go up!  :D

Only if I used my work phone.  My cell is still an 802, and I don't have a landline at home.

Or even a payphone.  :D The point is, it could be done!  :P

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 07, 2006, 11:38:01 AM
LOL. If I had your phone number, I might start randomly calling you from the 203 area code and leaving voice mail :)

In that case, I'm glad you don't have my phone number.  That would do very, very bad things to my blood pressure.

Su, you could always do the same, calling people from the 617 area code and making their blood pressure go up!  :D

Only if I used my work phone.  My cell is still an 802, and I don't have a landline at home.

Or even a payphone.  :D The point is, it could be done!  :P

It could.  But I'm not that mean.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 07, 2006, 01:59:45 PM
Hey Su, for April Fool's Day let's do a special tag team. You call people from 617 and hang up without leaving a message. And right afterwards, I'll call from 203 and hang up!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 07, 2006, 02:05:30 PM
Hey Su, for April Fool's Day let's do a special tag team. You call people from 617 and hang up without leaving a message. And right afterwards, I'll call from 203 and hang up!

 :D

Mean!

Is it just me or have the dings slowed?  I'm still very afraid of going home.  (Hmm...  this could be bad if they don't ding me soon.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 07, 2006, 02:11:30 PM
man, how depressing.

i just went through all the yale apps from last year (bored much?) and it seems that anybody who applied around the same time i did a) didn't go complete till mid-late february, and b) didn't hear till mid march at the earliest, late april at the latest.   :-[

damn me for procrastinating with that 250! damn me!!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 07, 2006, 02:25:55 PM
man, how depressing.

i just went through all the yale apps from last year (bored much?) and it seems that anybody who applied around the same time i did a) didn't go complete till mid-late february, and b) didn't hear till mid march at the earliest, late april at the latest.   :-[

damn me for procrastinating with that 250! damn me!!

Ouch.  That's a nasty wait.  But at least you needn't fear your mailbox for a while.  :)

EDIT: Not that I think you're going to get dinged, just that, y'know, it's Yale, so everyone quakes in fear until they get an answer.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 07, 2006, 02:32:19 PM
Hey Su, for April Fool's Day let's do a special tag team. You call people from 617 and hang up without leaving a message. And right afterwards, I'll call from 203 and hang up!

 :D

Mean!

Is it just me or have the dings slowed?  I'm still very afraid of going home.  (Hmm...  this could be bad if they don't ding me soon.)

I say you should do it!!! :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on February 07, 2006, 02:35:51 PM
Wow, I realized as I looked into my mailbox that I was actually disappointed at Yale for not having given me the thin envelope. I just want to know what my options are so I can get back to panicking about important stuff.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on February 07, 2006, 02:41:04 PM
Still no rejection in my mailbox so I guess I get to wait just a bit longer.  Oh great.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on February 07, 2006, 03:01:37 PM
I've yet to be dinged.  Another day of false hope.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 07, 2006, 03:03:04 PM
Not to be too much of a downer for those who've gotten the axe already, but I think perhaps "auto-dings" comprised a large portion of this last round.  Now exactly what constitutes this kind of presumptive deny from Yale is beyond my powers to ascertain, but I do believe most of you on the thread can reasonably expect to stay in the game for a while longer.  Of the 50+ rejects so far listed on LSN, only about 3 or 4 are H admits, if that's any kind of proxy for app. strength.  Though I can't explain someone like chasingkoalas...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 07, 2006, 04:15:20 PM
man, how depressing.

i just went through all the yale apps from last year (bored much?) and it seems that anybody who applied around the same time i did a) didn't go complete till mid-late february, and b) didn't hear till mid march at the earliest, late april at the latest.   :-[

damn me for procrastinating with that 250! damn me!!

Ouch.  That's a nasty wait.  But at least you needn't fear your mailbox for a while.  :)

EDIT: Not that I think you're going to get dinged, just that, y'know, it's Yale, so everyone quakes in fear until they get an answer.

haha thanks, su.  and no need to sugar (or should i say...suger? ;)) coat it...it would take close to a miracle for me (or anybody, for that matter) to get accepted.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 08, 2006, 06:37:05 AM
Wow!...that's nuts.  You've been complete for four months?? Well that means you're definitely in the running.  I've just been complete a couple of weeks  :-\

i'm not even complete yet  :'(

sad part is, it doesn't.  they only sent out the first batch of dings earlier this week, but because i am overseas and misdirecting my mail for a month only takes one word, i have no idea if i'm already dinged or not.  :(

this is KILLING me!!!  :'(

hey stan, why don't you call the office and tell them you're overseas, and just ask if a decision has been made on your file? that might  put you at ease for a bit :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 08, 2006, 06:55:14 AM
i'm such a wuss.

Yes, you are.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 08, 2006, 07:01:56 AM
At least you know that you weren't an auto-ding. I think that that's what the last group was and they wouldn't have sent yours out by snail mail since they know where you are and that you wouldn't get it for a while. They're probably talking about you right now and hemming and hawing.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 08, 2006, 03:58:40 PM
woo! i'm complete at yale! earlier than i had expected based on last year's applications...i can now officially join the obsessive worrying club (hi su!)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 08, 2006, 04:58:54 PM
woo! i'm complete at yale! earlier than i had expected based on last year's applications...i can now officially join the obsessive worrying club (hi su!)

Welcome welcome!

(Misery loves company!  ;))
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 08, 2006, 05:06:29 PM
woo! i'm complete at yale! earlier than i had expected based on last year's applications...i can now officially join the obsessive worrying club (hi su!)

Welcome welcome!

(Misery loves company!  ;))

thanks su! (reminds me of the tshirt..."missouri loves company".  he he.) 

btw, what's with weird mean comments on LSN?  i got a few and deleted them, and i just looked at yours and saw that you have one as well.  xoxoers should stick to their own board and not invade our special spaces  :o
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 08, 2006, 05:11:11 PM
woo! i'm complete at yale! earlier than i had expected based on last year's applications...i can now officially join the obsessive worrying club (hi su!)

Welcome welcome!

(Misery loves company!  ;))

thanks su! (reminds me of the tshirt..."missouri loves company".  he he.) 

btw, what's with weird mean comments on LSN?  i got a few and deleted them, and i just looked at yours and saw that you have one as well.  xoxoers should stick to their own board and not invade our special spaces  :o

I was especially confused by the most recent one.   ???

Oh, well.  I suppose it fills the empty, empty hours for some poor soul.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on February 08, 2006, 06:02:47 PM
The obsession is starting to get me, too.  I've not been complete too long, but, avoiding that first round of rejects inspired some obsession.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 08, 2006, 06:09:55 PM
bleh, the obsession doesn't stop when you get admitted. Be afraid...be very afraid....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 08, 2006, 06:17:08 PM
woo! i'm complete at yale! earlier than i had expected based on last year's applications...i can now officially join the obsessive worrying club (hi su!)

Welcome welcome!

(Misery loves company!  ;))

thanks su! (reminds me of the tshirt..."missouri loves company".  he he.) 

btw, what's with weird mean comments on LSN?  i got a few and deleted them, and i just looked at yours and saw that you have one as well.  xoxoers should stick to their own board and not invade our special spaces  :o

I was especially confused by the most recent one.   ???

Oh, well.  I suppose it fills the empty, empty hours for some poor soul.

yes, at least we find more productive and less mean-spirited ways to fill our empty, empty hours :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 08, 2006, 07:00:36 PM
hi.  my name's kimmus, and i'm an lsd addict.  it started slowly.  i didn't even notice it happening until i found myself lurking hardcore on threads such as "yale obsession" when i am fully aware that my application was a donation.  one would think it was because of my empty, empty hours. but no, that would make sense if i stopped after a long and monotonous workday.  because when i go home to my active and social life, i find myself squeezing in time to obsess, making excuses, and trying to avoid my guilt.  i have a problem and there's no real solution to it until maybe after 2009.  what to do...

welcome to our nightmare.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: annarose on February 09, 2006, 03:24:48 AM
Wow.  I thought things were bad when I discovered lsn... but this is oh so much more addictive!!

Does anyone know whether Yale only sends mail to rejected applicants? i.e. do they call everyone who's accepted?

Thanks!

P.S. an anecdote: yesterday i met my friends for lunch at an indian restaurant, and halfway through casually asked my housemate whether there had been any mail.  "yes," she said, "there was a small envelope for you but i couldn't tell who it was from." being the calm and rational person that i am, i ran all the way to my apartment from the restaurant.  it was a valentines day card.  from my mom.  ::)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2006, 06:48:10 AM
Wow.  I thought things were bad when I discovered lsn... but this is oh so much more addictive!!

Does anyone know whether Yale only sends mail to rejected applicants? i.e. do they call everyone who's accepted?

Thanks!

P.S. an anecdote: yesterday i met my friends for lunch at an indian restaurant, and halfway through casually asked my housemate whether there had been any mail.  "yes," she said, "there was a small envelope for you but i couldn't tell who it was from." being the calm and rational person that i am, i ran all the way to my apartment from the restaurant.  it was a valentines day card.  from my mom.  ::)

accepted: call
rejected: letter
waitlist (last year): email and/or call

calling the rejected applicants would be mean


Wow they called waitlists last year...thats cruel....

YLS: Hello is this Stanley Watson?
SW: Why yes it is
YLS: This is so and so from YLS, and I'm calling to..
SW: OMG I'm in I can't believe it, can this really be happening....
YLS: No, I'm afraid its not...but good news we can put you on the coveted YLS waitlist...last year we took 1 person (fabrication) from that list...good luck!
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2006, 06:53:26 AM
Wow.  I thought things were bad when I discovered lsn... but this is oh so much more addictive!!

Does anyone know whether <NHSoL>only sends mail to rejected applicants? i.e. do they call everyone who's accepted?

Thanks!

P.S. an anecdote: yesterday i met my friends for lunch at an indian restaurant, and halfway through casually asked my housemate whether there had been any mail.  "yes," she said, "there was a small envelope for you but i couldn't tell who it was from." being the calm and rational person that i am, i ran all the way to my apartment from the restaurant.  it was a valentines day card.  from my mom.  ::)

accepted: call
rejected: letter
waitlist (last year): email and/or call

calling the rejected applicants would be mean


Wow they called waitlists last year...thats cruel....

<NHSoL>: Hello is this Stanley Watson?
SW: Why yes it is
<NHSoL>: This is so and so from YLS, and I'm calling to..
SW: OMG I'm in I can't believe it, can this really be happening....
<NHSoL>: No, I'm afraid its not...but good news we can put you on the coveted <NHSoL>waitlist...last year we took 1 person (fabrication) from that list...good luck!


ouch!  :D

fortunately i have no phone number where i can be reached.  ;)

you beat the system ;)
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2006, 06:56:37 AM
you beat the system ;)

victory!  :D

my reward should be...  an NHSoL acceptance.  ;)

but i'm more likely just SOL.  :'(

:D

Or at LEAST a waitlist...maybe YLS reps can fly over and give you the WL personally - just imagine YLS personal WL appearance vs TStock call?  :P
Title: Re: NHSoL Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 09, 2006, 06:59:15 AM
Or at LEAST a waitlist...maybe <NHSoL> reps can fly over and give you the WL personally - just imagine <NHSoL> personal WL appearance vs TStock call?  :P

oh my goodness, i would feel SO bad if they did that.  :D

i don't have anything to offer in terms of hospitality.  ;)

I don't think they'd be staying long...you being a furious/depressed mood and all ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 09, 2006, 08:15:15 AM
They really call people to waitlist them?  Damn.  I mean, seriously, a Yale waitlist is basically the same thing as a rejection.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on February 09, 2006, 09:58:26 AM
My friend who got waitlisted last year got an email.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 09, 2006, 10:21:00 AM
My friend who got waitlisted last year got an email.

That's much more merciful.

Ok, so more obsessive compulsive disorder;
Last year 12.7% of the non-hidden submitted Yale applications were admitted, 64.5% were rejected, 7.4% were waitlisted, and 15.3% were never updated after "pending."

If these trends hold, 21 more accounts will be accepted, 176 more accounts will be rejected, and 27 will be waitlisted.

Of those who listed non-outlying dates for their decisions last cycle, 60 were rejected and 21 accepted by the end of February (we're at 59 and 25 now, which suggests that the cycle may be going more quickly this year).  61 more were rejected and 14 more accepted during March, and 44 were rejected and only 4 accepted during April.  All of the waitlists, of course, occured in April.

What does this mean?  Absolutely nothing, other than that I just wasted half an hour of my life.  :-\
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 07:53:12 AM
wow, my sympathies.  :D

EDIT: su, speculator of all things NHSoL related, what are the ramifications of this passage from the new york times article:

...

:-\

I think you summed it up well.   :-\  I guess it's good news, but certainly not very good.

My current belief is that late next week a set of faculty reviews will be completed and they'll let in another handful and simultaneously send out a batch of rejections which will arive late next week or early the week after.  Most folks who applied early(i.e. me  ;)) will hear back then, or be waitlisted in April.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 07:58:08 AM
Are any of you guys thinking about sending in a letter of continued interest (or something along those lines)?



Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 08:04:42 AM
Are any of you guys thinking about sending in a letter of continued interest (or something along those lines)?

is there a point to this?  i mean, i would think it was just assumed...

That's kind of my feeling.  It isn't like we got some official notice of holding or waitlisting.  And I doubt Yale has any doubt in their mind that we're still interested.

(Especially if they, like Toby, read this board.  :D)
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 08:09:00 AM
Are any of you guys thinking about sending in a letter of continued interest (or something along those lines)?

is there a point to this?  i mean, i would think it was just assumed...

That's kind of my feeling.  It isn't like we got some official notice of holding or waitlisting.  And I doubt <NHSoL> has any doubt in their mind that we're still interested.

(Especially if they, like Toby, read this board.  :D)

yeah, and people like me are particularly identifiable since i use my full real name and link my LSN.  :D

su i wonder if toby feels unloved every time he sees you posting here.  :D

I doubt he takes it personally.  Especially if he's read the posts that discuss how peruaded I've actually been.  Harvard has gone from 4th place in my list to 2nd, which is realistically 1st.
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 08:14:21 AM
still, it must be disheartening to be reminded constantly that your number one competitor is ahead by so much in terms of preferences.  :)

can i ask what #2 and #3 were and why they ranked ahead of harvard?

Yeah.  Although for me, even YLS isn't ahead by nearly as much as it used to be.

NYU and Northeastern.  'Cause I figured HLS was completely filled with hypercompetitive, rich, fiscally conservative, biglaw-bound WASP boys.  And Toby (along with many other sources) has convinced me that it just isn't so.  It's only mostly hypercompetitive, rich, fiscally conservative, biglaw-bound WASP boys.   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 10, 2006, 08:23:12 AM
That's what they always say about H. I'm not convinced.  :P
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 08:37:07 AM
and here i thought law school was mostly hypercompetitive, rich, fiscally conservative, biglaw-bound jewish boys.  :D

A fair point.  I would imagine that both Jews and WASPS are pretty well represented.
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 08:44:27 AM
It's only mostly hypercompetitive, rich, fiscally conservative, biglaw-bound WASP boys.   :D

actually, i think this might be the impression that i give off online.  :D

i would think that nyu student body would look mostly like harvard's, except more PI people.  but i mean really, not THAT many more...

Yeah, I increasingly think that the student bodies of all the top schools are probably all pretty similar.  I'm saying that was my reasoning for my old rankings, not that I still think of it as a major difference.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 08:50:32 AM
I'm excited about the change of demographic in law school (coming from an HBCU)


However, I'm hoping I won't have to deal with comments on how well I speak English   :-\
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 08:51:49 AM
by the way, clearly today is one of those days where you don't have much to do.  :D

Actually I'd say I've done more work than average today.

But less non-LSD web surfing.
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 08:59:48 AM
what is HBCU?  and yeah, i'm pretty sure you won't have to deal with those comments.  i mean, come on.  :D



Historically Black College/University


And you would be surprised  :D
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 09:09:40 AM
for a second i thought HSBC, and i thought, wait, that's not right.  :D

okay, example?


It happened to me last summer while I was interning at a big Wall Street firm. I decided to have lunch with two of the other interns. One was from Texas and the other one was from New Jersey. So I told them I was from Trinidad and one of them said, "But you speak English so well!"  :D

I almost died. That's the first time I've ever heard that comment, but there've been lots of others like whether or not we have buildings  :-\
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 09:12:22 AM
ever look around and think, "i'm an admitted student at harvard law school.  i'm too good for this?" 

Not really, though I do think "I can't even do this job competantly.  Why on Earth did Harvard let me in?"

Though I admit that a lack of caring is really the primary impedement to my being competent at my job.  And my boss is under the impression that I do a good job, for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 09:17:12 AM
Not really, though I do think "I can't even do this job competantly.  Why on Earth did Harvard let me in?"

Though I admit that a lack of caring is really the primary impedement to my being competent at my job.  And my boss is under the impression that I do a good job, for whatever reason.

It's all about under-promising and out-performing  ;D
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 10, 2006, 09:19:25 AM
It happened to me last summer while I was interning at a big Wall Street firm. I decided to have lunch with two of the other interns. One was from Texas and the other one was from New Jersey. So I told them I was from Trinidad and one of them said, "But you speak English so well!"  :D

Hmm. I would have thought that the most common comment that you'd get is that you speak English well BECAUSE you're from Trinidad.. The implication being obvious. Guess not, though, huh?
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 09:20:12 AM
Not really, though I do think "I can't even do this job competantly.  Why on Earth did Harvard let me in?"

Though I admit that a lack of caring is really the primary impedement to my being competent at my job.  And my boss is under the impression that I do a good job, for whatever reason.

It's all about under-promising and out-performing  ;D

 :D  Yeah.  It really is.

I feel guilt, though.  My boss is really nice.  I just can't bring myself to care about most of my job though.  I keep thinking "I'm out of here in 5 months."
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 10, 2006, 09:25:22 AM
It happened to me last summer while I was interning at a big Wall Street firm. I decided to have lunch with two of the other interns. One was from Texas and the other one was from New Jersey. So I told them I was from Trinidad and one of them said, "But you speak English so well!"  :D

Hmm. I would have thought that the most common comment that you'd get is that you speak English well BECAUSE you're from Trinidad.. The implication being obvious. Guess not, though, huh?

i didn't get it...

I have a friend from Trinidad and he gets that comment a lot. The implication by the people who say this to him is that if he were Af Am he wouldn't have a wide vocab and that he'd garble his words (like aks). he can't decide whether to be amused or upset by this reaction. He is usually both.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 09:28:18 AM
It happened to me last summer while I was interning at a big Wall Street firm. I decided to have lunch with two of the other interns. One was from Texas and the other one was from New Jersey. So I told them I was from Trinidad and one of them said, "But you speak English so well!"  :D

Hmm. I would have thought that the most common comment that you'd get is that you speak English well BECAUSE you're from Trinidad.. The implication being obvious. Guess not, though, huh?

i didn't get it...

Not really, though I do think "I can't even do this job competantly.  Why on Earth did Harvard let me in?"

Though I admit that a lack of caring is really the primary impedement to my being competent at my job.  And my boss is under the impression that I do a good job, for whatever reason.

It's all about under-promising and out-performing  ;D

 :D  Yeah.  It really is.

I feel guilt, though.  My boss is really nice.  I just can't bring myself to care about most of my job though.  I keep thinking "I'm out of here in 5 months."

have you told them that you're leaving?

and has anyone noticed the change in the thread title?

No, and no.  Until just now.

Damn you Swats!
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 09:29:20 AM
It happened to me last summer while I was interning at a big Wall Street firm. I decided to have lunch with two of the other interns. One was from Texas and the other one was from New Jersey. So I told them I was from Trinidad and one of them said, "But you speak English so well!"  :D

Hmm. I would have thought that the most common comment that you'd get is that you speak English well BECAUSE you're from Trinidad.. The implication being obvious. Guess not, though, huh?

i didn't get it...


Trinidad and Tobago was formerly a British colony.

But I think some people assume that we're a Spanish speaking country because we're so close to Venezuela...? That's the only thing I can think of.
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 09:36:32 AM
I have a friend from Trinidad and he gets that comment a lot. The implication by the people who say this to him is that if he were Af Am he wouldn't have a wide vocab and that he'd garble his words (like aks). he can't decide whether to be amused or upset by this reaction. He is usually both.


People say the weirdest things. I remember one time I was helping out at a reception at my school and I accidently called this guy by his middle name (they mixed up the names on the list). Anyway, he corrected me and added, "That may be how they do things on the plantation, but that's not how we do them here."

At this point I informed him that I've never been on a "plantation" so I really wouldn't know  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 09:42:34 AM
when are you going to tell them?

The day after I send in my deposit.  That is, immediately after I loose any shred of ability to claim that the decision wasn't set in stone.



and why are you always accusing ME?  clearly, you were the first person to change it.  i just noticed.  ;)  

0:)

Uh-huh.  0:) is really you, Swats.
Title: Re: The Su Breaks Toby's Heart Thread
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 09:47:24 AM
and they wouldn't seriously try to talk you out of going to HLS or NHSoL, right?  i mean, they're not crazy...  are they?

No, I just don't want to deal with the awkwardness any longer than I have to, but I'd feel bad telling her later if I didn't tell her as soon as it was finally decided.

As in, "I just made the final decision; I am going to be attending X school this fall" sounds better than "Yeah, I've known for a month now, but I'm going to be quitting soon."
Title: Re: Su Totally Does Not Notice Changes in Thread Title
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 10:01:44 AM
i guess so.  i think it's strange because i emphasize that i'm leaving every chance i get.  but i guess my employer is different. 

I just feel like there's no really good time to mention it, so I never did.

Initially, I though she knew, because my old boss, her predecessor, knew (I specifically asked her for the LSAT date off, and told her why).  So I figured old boss had mentioned it to new boss. So by the time I realized that new boss didn't know, I hadn't mentioned it for long enough that it would have been weird to just bring it up.

So now I'm waiting for an action that would be an appropriate catalyst for telling her.  I could have taken my first acceptance as such, but I didn't.  So now I'm waiting.
Title: Re: By Not Changing This Title, Su Agrees to Give Stanley 50% of All Future Income.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 10:24:47 AM
i guess so.  i think it's strange because i emphasize that i'm leaving every chance i get.  but i guess my employer is different. 

I just feel like there's no really good time to mention it, so I never did.

Initially, I though she knew, because my old boss, her predecessor, knew (I specifically asked her for the LSAT date off, and told her why).  So I figured old boss had mentioned it to new boss. So by the time I realized that new boss didn't know, I hadn't mentioned it for long enough that it would have been weird to just bring it up.

So now I'm waiting for an action that would be an appropriate catalyst for telling her.  I could have taken my first acceptance as such, but I didn't.  So now I'm waiting.

seems fair enough.  i mean as long as it won't take them six months to find someone else, and the place won't catch fire just because you're gone, no need to make things uncomfortable.

though i think in most jobs with recent college grads, they probably expect you to move on. 

Haha.  The HR person when I got hired permenantly (I was a temp for three months first) was telling me about how my children would be able to go to college here for free.  I really didn't know what to say to that.

I would have guessed the same thing about expectations of recent college grads, but the more I hang out with the folks at this job the more I realize  that that's a pretty class-based assumption.  A lot of female college graduates do go to secretarial jobs and stay there.  You eventually earn enough to support a family, and it's often pretty easy to transition to part time work while having kids.  It's not a route that grads from my school take very often, but there's no reason my boss would know that.
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 10, 2006, 10:37:32 AM
It happened to me last summer while I was interning at a big Wall Street firm. I decided to have lunch with two of the other interns. One was from Texas and the other one was from New Jersey. So I told them I was from Trinidad and one of them said, "But you speak English so well!"  :D

Hmm. I would have thought that the most common comment that you'd get is that you speak English well BECAUSE you're from Trinidad.. The implication being obvious. Guess not, though, huh?

i didn't get it...


Trinidad and Tobago was formerly a British colony.

But I think some people assume that we're a Spanish speaking country because we're so close to Venezuela...? That's the only thing I can think of.

Stop lying annabel. These nice people have been sooo supportive of you. No need to lie to them. You know darn well Trinidad doesn't have buildings and that you can't speak english. You just have one of those neat keyboards that tranlates spanish to english and freetranslation.com does the rest. Its ok.
Title: Re: By Not Changing Title, Su Agrees to Dress Up as Batgirl and Post Pictures.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 10:46:55 AM
i guess it is pretty class-based.  i mean, plenty of people stay in my career track for twenty years i guess.  maybe it's pretentious of me to assume otherwise.  i thought you worked at a university though.  maybe i'm confusing you with someone else.

I do (well, a small, not well known college), but as a secretary, which I would guess is a significantly more stable than average.  My predecessor was here 6 years before leaving to be a stay-at-home mother.  Actually she would have liked to stay part time, but that would have involved changing departments, so she decided against it.
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 10, 2006, 10:59:04 AM
Stop lying annabel. These nice people have been sooo supportive of you. No need to lie to them. You know darn well Trinidad doesn't have buildings and that you can't speak english. You just have one of those neat keyboards that tranlates spanish to english and freetranslation.com does the rest. Its ok.


 >:(


Look, I know where you live...
Title: Re: By Not Changing Title, Su Agrees to Mail Stanley Cookies.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 11:01:22 AM
you know i just assumed you were working at harvard, actually.  why'd you decide to work there?

Desire to pay my bills?

I temped for 6 months while trying to find something more interesting and never found anything.  The last three months were temping here, and it's a nice enough environment for a crappy job, so when they offered it to me as a regular, non temp (and thus twice as lucrative) job I took it.
Title: :-P to Stanley
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 11:23:03 AM
you know i just assumed you were working at harvard, actually.  why'd you decide to work there?

Desire to pay my bills?

i guess what i was wondering was why you moved to boston in the first place.  i always thought people moved places because they already had jobs planned.  thank you for giving me the obvious answer though.  :P


 :D

I spent a couple of months trying to find a job from my parents house.  But, in part because those months were November and December, I failed.  And I couldn't cope with living with my parents in rural VT anymore.

I picked Boston because I hate moving (in fact, such is the subject of my very first LSD post, if I recall correctly), so I didn't want to have to switch cities for law school, and my plan was to go to Northeastern, with Suffolk and New England as backups.  If only I'd kept that outlook, I'd be much saner than I am right now.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 10, 2006, 11:38:22 AM
You're *still* awake?
Title: Su Would Send Stan Cookies, But They'd Probably Just Get Stale On The Way
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 11:45:38 AM
G'night Swats.
Title: Re: I Will Gain More Concessions From Su Later.
Post by: The Poster on February 10, 2006, 12:06:21 PM
well come on, it IS friday night.  :D

okay, going to sleep...  NOW! 

you know...and this is gonna show how much of an idiot I am with time zones and stuff...for some reason, I thought that for you it was actually LAST night, not TONIGHT. does that make sense? yeah, I know, I am a moron.
Title: But I Like Duck. But Not In The Eating Way.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 10, 2006, 06:57:08 PM
also, nothing in the email yet again.  not even a confirmation that they got my address change.  :-\

Do they normally send out such confirmations by mail?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 10, 2006, 07:55:42 PM
that must be frustrating and annoying, Stan :(

but if it makes you feel any better, I don't think you're the embodiment of evil in its purest form...
Title: Re: Al Muhajaba Cracks Me Up.
Post by: almuhajaba on February 10, 2006, 07:59:09 PM
that must be frustrating and annoying, Stan :(

but if it makes you feel any better, I don't think you're the embodiment of evil in its purest form...

:D :D :D

 ;) :D
Title: oh...and one more thing
Post by: almuhajaba on February 10, 2006, 08:30:02 PM
thanks for yelling at me *really* loudly. I shall refrain from entering the forbidden thread ever again... ;D
Title: YES SIR STANLEY SIR!!!!!!!!
Post by: almuhajaba on February 10, 2006, 08:42:11 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 11, 2006, 07:44:51 PM
That entire feature that allows you to see what other people are doing scares me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 11, 2006, 07:51:19 PM
Ahh, good point! [goes into hiding]
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 11, 2006, 07:52:16 PM
Alci, what's up with this?

Alcibiades      09:51:19 PM     Viewing Alcibiades's profile.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 11, 2006, 07:53:45 PM
Hehe.  I'm vain.  What can I say? :D
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 06:22:23 AM
Guest  09:33:39 PM Printing the topic "<NHSoL> Obsession".

this scares me.  :D


Wow.  Me too.   :-[  Suddenly I think it might be just as well if I don't get into Yale.    :-\

I keep thinking I should change my handle just to be slightly less obvious to law school classmates.
Title: Stanley J Watson's Much More Than Su's Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 06:27:17 AM
well and unlink your lsn.  and request that pictures from lsd boston be taken down.  you know pretty much anyone who's looked on this thing will already know who you are.  furthermore, they will already have formed a positive impression of you and will want to be friends with you.  so why even bother?  ;)

For the casual user who sees an old thread in the fall, and realizes it's me.  Not for the regulars, who do already know me.  Not to actually hide my identity, just to not be shouting it in every post.

Duck semi-convinced me
Title: Me too. Except for today, which is, um Sunday, and plus the blizzard so I'm home
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 06:33:41 AM
eh, you may have a point.  i really haven't seen you say anything that could possibly be taken negatively, but on the other hand i guess it's not usually a good thing to be at an informational disadvantage.  :D

any thoughts on new name?

I was thinking Batgirl.  All the regulars would know it's me.
Title: Re: Yeah that really sucks. Damned weather. Hopefully you can reschedule.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 06:39:49 AM
I was thinking Batgirl.  All the regulars would know it's me.

i vote yay.  though of course i don't get a vote.  i don't know if i count as a regular.

also i survived another mail call.  if they didn't screw up the address, i guess it means i survived another round.

Congrats!   ;D  Welcome to the continuing obsession!   :-\

And what's your whole not-a-regular-schtick today?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 06:45:40 AM
"i have stacks and stacks of folders on my desk.  damn it's depressing." 


yeah that is depressing. But if it makes you feel any better Stan... :D
Title: Re: You forgot to change the title. I bet you'll forget again.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 06:50:12 AM
Congrats!   ;D  Welcome to the continuing obsession!   :-\

And what's your whole not-a-regular-schtick today?

i'm just being silly and stupid.  i have stacks and stacks of folders on my desk.  damn it's depressing.  :D

i just hope they didn't misroute the ding by mistake.  it would suck to find out a month from now. 

and love the secret identity.  did you unlink lsn?

No, it's not a real attempt at anonymity; it's just a gesture for the sake of those who think a lack of anonymity is strange.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 06:56:03 AM
Hey Su...err..Batgirl :)

I have been having similar fears lately, after reading all the crap on xoxo about HD  :-\ I just don't want to show up to law school in the fall and have random strangers know who I am, what my stats were, what kind of views I have on various topics, etc.
Title: Re: So now that you're Batgirl, when do we see Batgirl pictures?
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 06:57:23 AM
No, it's not a real attempt at anonymity; it's just a gesture for the sake of those who think a lack of anonymity is strange.

well if you want to make your lsn a bit more discrete (sp?), you can do this:

LSN (http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=sugersh)

then it'll look like mine.  ;)

stan your LSN link is SO ANNOYING!!!!!!  >:(  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 06:59:00 AM
Hey Su...err..Batgirl :)

I have been having similar fears lately, after reading all the crap on xoxo about HD  :-\ I just don't want to show up to law school in the fall and have random strangers know who I am, what my stats were, what kind of views I have on various topics, etc.

Yeah.  They're nasty.  Happily my LSN account generally isn't interesting enough to merit their attention.

And that's a good idea on LSN, Stan. But I'll leave it for a little while in case anybody is confused.
Title: Re: You forgot to change the title. I bet you'll forget again.
Post by: The Poster on February 12, 2006, 07:05:38 AM
Congrats!   ;D  Welcome to the continuing obsession!   :-\

And what's your whole not-a-regular-schtick today?

i'm just being silly and stupid.  i have stacks and stacks of folders on my desk.  damn it's depressing.  :D

i just hope they didn't misroute the ding by mistake.  it would suck to find out a month from now. 

and love the secret identity.  did you unlink lsn?

No, it's not a real attempt at anonymity; it's just a gesture for the sake of those who think a lack of anonymity is strange.

 :D is this because i made fun of you for using your real name?
Title: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 01:29:09 PM
So I just spoke with a friend of my parents, who's been asking his many lawyer/law professor friends about the schools I've applied to.  He gleaned some helpful stuff about HLS vs. NYU for public interest, but basically said that everyone thought I should go to Yale. 

Yeah. 

Well. 

I'd sure like to.

Megan, faculty reviewers, anybody else with power at Yale, I hope you're listening.

Actually, I kind of hope you're not.   :-[
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blackadder on February 12, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
Ah, the waiting....
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 12, 2006, 05:01:39 PM
is it bad when you start dreaming about this?

I dreamt about it when I was waiting to hear.  It is sad :P
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 06:00:54 PM
I haven't been able to be around much, but did you go into the specifics elsewhere?  I'd love to hear what he thought :) (Not like I'll be in the same boat, but some of NYU's externalities -- most notably the free condo my uncle has collecting dust in the Village since he got married in November -- is making it pretty attractive.)

Mostly it was that NYU's public service rep is very strong, at least according to the practicing lawyers he knows; possibly strong enough to make up for the lower prestige than HLS in terms of some of the big public interest organizations.  But that in other public interest areas, esp. government, the Harvard name still makes a big difference.  And that all the job stuff only applies for the first couple of jobs.

That Harvard may be somewhat less outwardly competitive, but is still a distinctly competitive environment and still very money and power centered, which isn't really a suprise. 

And, then, that Yale has the best of both worlds: respected in PI, respected overall, and non competitive.

There really ought to be a drooling smiley.

Except that that would be gross.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 12, 2006, 06:19:26 PM
best to get the decision later in the cycle, lest you start obsessing about a binder that will never come....DAMN YOU, YALE!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 06:24:32 PM
best to get the decision later in the cycle, lest you start obsessing about a binder that will never come....DAMN YOU, YALE!

Don't hold your breath for that binder, Galt, it looks like they're gonna be a while...

I called the YLS admissions office on Thursday of last week and got a *very* unfriendly receptionist who told me that the binders "should be out soon."

When I asked her for a time frame, she said "within the next couple of weeks"

.... >:( YLS is *very* slow with mail  >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Su Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 06:31:47 PM
is it bad when you start dreaming about this?

Yes, Stan, it's *very* bad to have dreams about this subject. Bad, bad, bad.

But if it makes you feel any better, I don't think that you're the embodiment of evil in its purest form...

 ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 12, 2006, 06:39:42 PM
best to get the decision later in the cycle, lest you start obsessing about a binder that will never come....DAMN YOU, YALE!

I can see how this would be worse than waiting for a decision  :P

Don't front, George. If I could go back and tell them not to call me until the binders were ready....

On second thought, I'm pretty glad I got the acceptance early.  ;D

But once you do get it, you're just going to be obsessed over something else. It doesn't end with good news, guys.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blackadder on February 12, 2006, 07:12:13 PM
A current Yale 1L over on XOXO says s/he heard Dean Koh say last week that only about thirty people have been accepted so far. Makes you wonder about all those LSN users....
I wonder why they're taking their time in making acceptances. Mind you, I'm willing to wait as long as it takes if one's coming my way. *sigh*
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 07:13:07 PM
best to get the decision later in the cycle, lest you start obsessing about a binder that will never come....DAMN YOU, YALE!

I can see how this would be worse than waiting for a decision  :P

Don't front, George. If I could go back and tell them not to call me until the binders were ready....

On second thought, I'm pretty glad I got the acceptance early.  ;D

But once you do get it, you're just going to be obsessed over something else. It doesn't end with good news, guys.


Haha.  Yeah, waiting to get the promotional materials is definitely more trying than waiting to see if you got in.   :P

I don't recall being this stressed about getting my HLS binder after getting Toby's call.

JSIA.  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 12, 2006, 07:14:07 PM
hey, off topic, but have you guys seen curly? has she been hanging around on the off-topic threads?  i feel like it's been ages since i've seen her!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 07:16:05 PM
A current Yale 1L over on XOXO says s/he heard Dean Koh say last week that only about thirty people have been accepted so far. Makes you wonder about all those LSN users....
I wonder why they're taking their time in making acceptances. Mind you, I'm willing to wait as long as it takes if one's coming my way. *sigh*

What's sad is that it kind of made me wonder how accurate Koh's figure was.  I mean, given the other stuff she mentioned about his talking about the 175 word essay and all.

I suppose I shouldn't be as credulous about LSN as I am, but all the accounts are so believeable, and I just have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of people making up convincing accounts well in advance just to psych people out.

Maybe I'm too naive for this whole law school business.

But I sure hope they've only let in 30 people so far.  It would make me feel better about my odds.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 07:16:44 PM
hey, off topic, but have you guys seen curly? has she been hanging around on the off-topic threads?  i feel like it's been ages since i've seen her!

Yeah, she's around on off topic, though not quite as frequently as in the recent past.  She's currently traveling, which probably cuts down on the internet access.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 12, 2006, 07:17:51 PM
A current Yale 1L over on XOXO says s/he heard Dean Koh say last week that only about thirty people have been accepted so far. Makes you wonder about all those LSN users....
I wonder why they're taking their time in making acceptances. Mind you, I'm willing to wait as long as it takes if one's coming my way. *sigh*


Hearsay is rough, particularly from XOXOers.  Either way, I think 30 would be a very small number.  I trust at least 15 acceptances on LSN, and I have a strong feeling that there must be at least 50.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 07:19:51 PM
A current Yale 1L over on XOXO says s/he heard Dean Koh say last week that only about thirty people have been accepted so far. Makes you wonder about all those LSN users....
I wonder why they're taking their time in making acceptances. Mind you, I'm willing to wait as long as it takes if one's coming my way. *sigh*




Hearsay is rough, particularly from XOXOers.  Either way, I think 30 would be a very small number.  I trust at least 15 acceptances on LSN, and I have a strong feeling that there must be at least 50.

do you trust me?  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 07:19:51 PM
A current Yale 1L over on XOXO says s/he heard Dean Koh say last week that only about thirty people have been accepted so far. Makes you wonder about all those LSN users....
I wonder why they're taking their time in making acceptances. Mind you, I'm willing to wait as long as it takes if one's coming my way. *sigh*


Hearsay is rough, particularly from XOXOers.  Either way, I think 30 would be a very small number.  I trust at least 15 acceptances on LSN, and I have a strong feeling that there must be at least 50.

It was MoBell tho, who I tend to find fairly credible, for some reason that I can't quite put my finger on at the moment.  Of course, it could also have been a parody account of her, but then I'm back to the "why would anyone bother" question.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blackadder on February 12, 2006, 07:23:01 PM
To be fair, Koh apparently said "about thirty", which could probably mean fiftyish if one were to stretch a point. I hope that thirty figure is right, though. I went complete in December and still haven't gotten any news: trying not to set myself up for disappointment.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 12, 2006, 07:26:00 PM
do you trust me?  ;D

I trust you, though I can't spell your moniker.

I still think the number has to be off.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 07:27:22 PM
do you trust me?  ;D

I trust you, though I can't spell your moniker.

I still think the number has to be off.


why thank you Bass :) you can just call me "Al" since that's what most people call me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 12, 2006, 07:29:32 PM
To be fair, Koh apparently said "about thirty", which could probably mean fiftyish if one were to stretch a point. I hope that thirty figure is right, though. I went complete in December and still haven't gotten any news: trying not to set myself up for disappointment.

But that's the whole theme of this thread!

J/K.  Hell, I just feel lucky that I apparently (hopefully) made it past the first round and got as far as the faculty.  now my fingers are just crossed that I get really, really lucky in who reads my file.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 12, 2006, 07:30:22 PM
do you trust me?  ;D

I trust you, though I can't spell your moniker.

I still think the number has to be off.


why thank you Bass :) you can just call me "Al" since that's what most people call me.

This moment brought to you by Paul Simon.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blackadder on February 12, 2006, 07:41:26 PM
To be fair, Koh apparently said "about thirty", which could probably mean fiftyish if one were to stretch a point. I hope that thirty figure is right, though. I went complete in December and still haven't gotten any news: trying not to set myself up for disappointment.

But that's the whole theme of this thread!

J/K.  Hell, I just feel lucky that I apparently (hopefully) made it past the first round and got as far as the faculty.  now my fingers are just crossed that I get really, really lucky in who reads my file.

My sentiments exactly! I really have no idea what to expect given the uniqueness of my situation; I’m thrilled to have made it to the faculty review round (apparently), and I can only hope Yale’s reputation for making a decision based on the whole applicant will come through for me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blackadder on February 12, 2006, 07:44:46 PM
do you trust me?  ;D

I trust you, though I can't spell your moniker.

I still think the number has to be off.


why thank you Bass :) you can just call me "Al" since that's what most people call me.

This moment brought to you by Paul Simon.
Beat me to it.

If you'll be my bodyguard I can be
your long lost pal.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 12, 2006, 07:53:43 PM
A current Yale 1L over on XOXO says s/he heard Dean Koh say last week that only about thirty people have been accepted so far. Makes you wonder about all those LSN users....
I wonder why they're taking their time in making acceptances. Mind you, I'm willing to wait as long as it takes if one's coming my way. *sigh*


Hearsay is rough, particularly from XOXOers.  Either way, I think 30 would be a very small number.  I trust at least 15 acceptances on LSN, and I have a strong feeling that there must be at least 50.

 :o I'm insulted! ;) As the "XOXOer" in question, trust me that he said about 30 - but again, who knows exactly what he meant by that.  It's possible that the LSN accounts are mostly true.  A lot of the earlier admits are going to be people as conscientious/neurotic enough to get involved with LSN/LSD/XOXO. You are the people who turned your stuff in really early and made sure every i was dotted and t was crossed.

[Note: I am not a regular xoxo poster - just was super-bored today shut in because of the snow!]
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 12, 2006, 08:29:32 PM

 :o I'm insulted! ;) As the "XOXOer" in question, trust me that he said about 30 - but again, who knows exactly what he meant by that.  It's possible that the LSN accounts are mostly true.  A lot of the earlier admits are going to be people as conscientious/neurotic enough to get involved with LSN/LSD/XOXO. You are the people who turned your stuff in really early and made sure every i was dotted and t was crossed.

[Note: I am not a regular xoxo poster - just was super-bored today shut in because of the snow!]

shoulda checked... I trust it then, just not sure what it means.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 12, 2006, 08:52:29 PM
If the number really is 30, then it's very likely that, of the first 10 people to get accepted to Yale this year, 9 of them are on LSN.  It makes you wonder, who was it that Yale was drawn to first?  My guess might've been curly or fatcat, but looking at the dates...I'll say JohnGalt. Quite the honor.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 09:09:24 PM
do you trust me?  ;D

I trust you, though I can't spell your moniker.

I still think the number has to be off.


why thank you Bass :) you can just call me "Al" since that's what most people call me.

This moment brought to you by Paul Simon.


 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 12, 2006, 09:56:13 PM
If the number really is 30, then it's very likely that, of the first 10 people to get accepted to Yale this year, 9 of them are on LSN.  It makes you wonder, who was it that Yale was drawn to first?  My guess might've been curly or fatcat, but looking at the dates...I'll say JohnGalt. Quite the honor.

The first day or the last day, I just feel really lucky and appreciative. :) Send me my binder, pleeeeease!!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 12, 2006, 09:58:48 PM
The first day or the last day, I just feel really lucky and appreciative. :) Send me my binder, pleeeeease!!

I hear ya.  Where's that binder?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 10:00:32 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 12, 2006, 10:01:35 PM
30 is probably the last figure Megan told him.  It is entirely possible that more than 30 have been admitted.  I believe some phone calls were reported last week, no?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 12, 2006, 10:02:45 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Lol, since only like 4 people work in the office, they don't really like those kinds of phone calls too much.  Have they given you guys access to the admit board?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 10:03:47 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Lol, since only like 4 people work in the office, they don't really like those kinds of phone calls too much.  Have they given you guys access to the admit board?


No, I think that uber classified information is locked up within the confines of The Binder...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 12, 2006, 10:08:42 PM
The first day or the last day, I just feel really lucky and appreciative. :) Send me my binder, pleeeeease!!

I hear ya.  Where's that binder?

(http://www.exactbind.com/images/red_binder.jpg)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 12, 2006, 10:20:49 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Lol, since only like 4 people work in the office, they don't really like those kinds of phone calls too much.  Have they given you guys access to the admit board?


No, I think that uber classified information is locked up within the confines of The Binder...

No, they sent out an e-mail last year.  Maybe they're working on something new :o.  Hmmmmmmmm....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 12, 2006, 10:25:10 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Lol, since only like 4 people work in the office, they don't really like those kinds of phone calls too much.  Have they given you guys access to the admit board?


No, I think that uber classified information is locked up within the confines of The Binder...

No, they sent out an e-mail last year.  Maybe they're working on something new :o.  Hmmmmmmmm....


Hey, Alcibiades, perhaps this belongs in the "Yale Law" thread instead of this one, but how nervous were you before you started at YLS?!?! I have started having nightmares...really, really scary ones about YLS :( I'm petrified of law school in general and YLS just makes me want to cry when I think of how intimidating of an institution it is...*shuddders*  :-\

Is the first day of classes as a 1L at YLS any more traumatic than the first day of classes in high school?  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 12, 2006, 10:25:45 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Lol, since only like 4 people work in the office, they don't really like those kinds of phone calls too much.  Have they given you guys access to the admit board?


No, I think that uber classified information is locked up within the confines of The Binder...

No, they sent out an e-mail last year.  Maybe they're working on something new :o.  Hmmmmmmmm....

Perhaps being the first school to give all their admits free rides. ;D Yale does like to do things differently!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 12, 2006, 10:49:49 PM
Alci and Valentine, is it true that YLS students have your own message board where everyone b1tches about the undergrads and our Snapples?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 12, 2006, 10:54:22 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Lol, since only like 4 people work in the office, they don't really like those kinds of phone calls too much.  Have they given you guys access to the admit board?


No, I think that uber classified information is locked up within the confines of The Binder...

No, they sent out an e-mail last year.  Maybe they're working on something new :o.  Hmmmmmmmm....


Hey, Alcibiades, perhaps this belongs in the "Yale Law" thread instead of this one, but how nervous were you before you started at YLS?!?! I have started having nightmares...really, really scary ones about YLS :( I'm petrified of law school in general and YLS just makes me want to cry when I think of how intimidating of an institution it is...*shuddders*  :-\

Is the first day of classes as a 1L at YLS any more traumatic than the first day of classes in high school?  :D

Lol.  No, I wasn't nervous at all.  It's just like the first day of classes in college and high school.  People go, stake their claims on seats, eye the other people coming in...the prof welcomes you to law school, passes out the syllabus, gives an intro to the course...some might lecture; others don't.  It's fun.  I love the first day of classes 8).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 12, 2006, 10:55:20 PM
I called up on Thursday, the lady said they're not being sent out for another couple of weeks  >:(

Lol, since only like 4 people work in the office, they don't really like those kinds of phone calls too much.  Have they given you guys access to the admit board?


No, I think that uber classified information is locked up within the confines of The Binder...

No, they sent out an e-mail last year.  Maybe they're working on something new :o.  Hmmmmmmmm....

Perhaps being the first school to give all their admits free rides. ;D Yale does like to do things differently!

Lol.  Yeah.  Right.  Although the Music School, thanks to a generous donor, was recently able to this.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 12, 2006, 10:59:22 PM
Alci and Valentine, is it true that YLS students have your own message board where everyone b1tches about the undergrads and our Snapples?

ROFLOL.  I do remember coming across a complaint board one time.  We also female dog about you guys on XO.  But, in general, law school students hate the undergrads in the dining hall (unless they're cute)...they take all the Snapples and Nantucket Nectars (for those of you who don't know, they do this b/c they have to get 3 meals a day, but evidently the law school is the only place that allows them to get Snapples as a meal)...they make lines incredibly long...they take up all of the tables.  ARRRGH.  Fortunately, we can cut in front of them in any line.  If I'm feeling particularly annoyed by them (if, for instance, there is only one crappy flavor of Nantucket left and I've had to stand in the sandwich line for 15 mins), I get great joy out of doing this.  And kicking them out of the law school community line.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 07:04:16 AM
All you admitted/attending kids are makin' me jealous.   :P

JSIA.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on February 13, 2006, 07:24:37 AM
Alci and Valentine, is it true that YLS students have your own message board where everyone b1tches about the undergrads and our Snapples?

ROFLOL.  I do remember coming across a complaint board one time.  We also female dog about you guys on XO.  But, in general, law school students hate the undergrads in the dining hall (unless they're cute)...they take all the Snapples and Nantucket Nectars (for those of you who don't know, they do this b/c they have to get 3 meals a day, but evidently the law school is the only place that allows them to get Snapples as a meal)...they make lines incredibly long...they take up all of the tables.  ARRRGH.  Fortunately, we can cut in front of them in any line.  If I'm feeling particularly annoyed by them (if, for instance, there is only one crappy flavor of Nantucket left and I've had to stand in the sandwich line for 15 mins), I get great joy out of doing this.  And kicking them out of the law school community line.

wait, they *have* to get 3 meals a day? Or they want to because that's what they paid for and they don't want to let their paid meals go to waste? Because forcing people to get three meals a day seems a bit paternalistic to me, especially if they're already required to be on the meal plan in the first place. What if they're eating elsewhere? Seems to me that policy might just promote waste (i.e. people getting meals they don't actually eat), so I hope I'm misunderstanding it!  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on February 13, 2006, 07:32:46 AM
Alci and Valentine, is it true that YLS students have your own message board where everyone b1tches about the undergrads and our Snapples?

ROFLOL.  I do remember coming across a complaint board one time.  We also female dog about you guys on XO.  But, in general, law school students hate the undergrads in the dining hall (unless they're cute)...they take all the Snapples and Nantucket Nectars (for those of you who don't know, they do this b/c they have to get 3 meals a day, but evidently the law school is the only place that allows them to get Snapples as a meal)...they make lines incredibly long...they take up all of the tables.  ARRRGH.  Fortunately, we can cut in front of them in any line.  If I'm feeling particularly annoyed by them (if, for instance, there is only one crappy flavor of Nantucket left and I've had to stand in the sandwich line for 15 mins), I get great joy out of doing this.  And kicking them out of the law school community line.

wait, they *have* to get 3 meals a day? Or they want to because that's what they paid for and they don't want to let their paid meals go to waste? Because forcing people to get three meals a day seems a bit paternalistic to me, especially if they're already required to be on the meal plan in the first place. What if they're eating elsewhere? Seems to me that policy might just promote waste (i.e. people getting meals they don't actually eat), so I hope I'm misunderstanding it!  :D

Most Ivies do it at the UG level.  At mine, they actually told us that they did it to "promote community by strongly encouraging people to eat together." 

In reality, it's just a great way to get additional revenue. 

I don't want to take up the whole board with this question (although technically I suppose my repeated questioning is now a form of "yale obsession"  ;) ) but I know that meal plans in general are often required. (I'm at HC and they require us to be on the meal plan - if you're on financial aid, they pay for it for you.) But what's with the REQUIRED eating of at least 3 meals per day? Here students go out for meals, or miss the annoyingly short and early dining hall time windows to eat and have to eat elsewhere all the time. Or some people just eat two meals a day and I don't think that's necessarily so unhealthy or antisocial that the college should take a role in regulating it!  :D So Alci, or yalecollege - is this the actual policy? feel free to PM me instead so we can all get back to some good old-fashioned traditional yale obsession discussions.  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 07:43:10 AM
If you don't get 3 meals a day, you get carted off to Yale Prison where they force-feed you hardtack and gruel until you have reached the quota.

JK. You can forfeit the meals you paid for if you want, but at $12 a pop it's quite a waste. That's why we go to the law school or the management school and cash out on Snapples and Nantucket Nectars. Even though the prices there are a huge ripoff.

And in response to Alci's humorous description of how this affects law students, I am pleased to present a new policy: Bullet shopping! From now on, undergrads buying Snapples at the law school will eyeball the refrigerator to see which flavor seems to be in the shortest supply. Then, they will buy 5 Snapples all of that variety, and the next student will repeat the procedure. A steady stream of undergrads should be able to eliminate choice in no time!  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 08:17:14 AM
Lol.  I'm going to recommend to Dean Thompson that they limit all non-law-students to two drinks.  They probably won't go for it, though.  Law students have been complaining about the undergrads for years...but I think they basically fund the dining hall.

On another note, I also think we should prevent them from having class in our auditorium.  But I digress... ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 13, 2006, 09:08:27 AM
Lol.  I'm going to recommend to Dean Thompson that they limit all non-law-students to two drinks.  They probably won't go for it, though.  Law students have been complaining about the undergrads for years...but I think they basically fund the dining hall.

On another note, I also think we should prevent them from having class in our auditorium.  But I digress... ;)

And eliminate my sliver of an inkling of what it would be like to be one of the lucky few yls attendees?  My yc experience would have been empty without routine infringements on the law school fortress.   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 09:20:54 AM
Alci and Valentine, is it true that YLS students have your own message board where everyone b1tches about the undergrads and our Snapples?

ROFLOL.  I do remember coming across a complaint board one time.  We also female dog about you guys on XO.  But, in general, law school students hate the undergrads in the dining hall (unless they're cute)...they take all the Snapples and Nantucket Nectars (for those of you who don't know, they do this b/c they have to get 3 meals a day, but evidently the law school is the only place that allows them to get Snapples as a meal)...they make lines incredibly long...they take up all of the tables.  ARRRGH.  Fortunately, we can cut in front of them in any line.  If I'm feeling particularly annoyed by them (if, for instance, there is only one crappy flavor of Nantucket left and I've had to stand in the sandwich line for 15 mins), I get great joy out of doing this.  And kicking them out of the law school community line.


YLS students get to cut in front of the YC kids in the lunch line?!?! AWESOME!!!!!!! :D :D :D That's the best policy I've ever heard of. *soo* elitist ;)  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 09:22:22 AM
Lol.  Yep.  They even sent out an e-mail the other day reminding us we could do it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 09:27:28 AM
Lol.  Yep.  They even sent out an e-mail the other day reminding us we could do it.

muahhahaahaaaaaaaaaaaa.... ;) :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 09:30:38 AM
Lol.  Yep.  They even sent out an e-mail the other day reminding us we could do it.

Damn.  That's hilarious.  I never knew these things were codified.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blackadder on February 13, 2006, 09:33:58 AM
Morning, Alci! How goes it, my friend?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 13, 2006, 09:35:51 AM
Lol.  Yep.  They even sent out an e-mail the other day reminding us we could do it.

But how can you tell who is an UG?  Do they have to wear stickers?  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 13, 2006, 09:45:13 AM
Lol.  Yep.  They even sent out an e-mail the other day reminding us we could do it.

Wow. But do YLS students actually do this? I mean, regularly? Or do they typically only do it when they are pressed, or in Alci's case, angry due to the depleted Nantucket Nectar selection?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 13, 2006, 09:47:23 AM
hypanon, are you set on yale?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 13, 2006, 09:48:39 AM
yeah good question, bass. Who is set on going to yale?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 09:50:59 AM
Morning, Alci! How goes it, my friend?

Doing well, thanks.  My 9:10 class was canceled b/c the prof is stranded somewhere b/c of the snow.  I like that class, though, so I'm actually kinda disappointed.

Lol.  Yep.  They even sent out an e-mail the other day reminding us we could do it.

But how can you tell who is an UG?  Do they have to wear stickers?  :D :D :D

Trust me: You can tell.  It's like how college students can tell who is in high school.

Wow. But do YLS students actually do this? I mean, regularly? Or do they typically only do it when they are pressed, or in Alci's case, angry due to the depleted Nantucket Nectar selection?

Typically only when they are pressed or angry.  But I see it basically every time I go to the dining hall (different people are pressed/angry at different times).  The undergrads know the policy.  Don't be too sympathetic.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 13, 2006, 09:51:43 AM
EDIT: QUOTE
yeah good question, bass. Who is set on going to yale?

Ha, I wonder if this is the best place for this question...Batgirl may not like it so much here.

That said, here's my current thinking.  I am forgetting about H for the moment (since who knows?).  I am going to Yale unless I get the NYU Furman Scholarship.  Then, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 13, 2006, 09:53:31 AM
Ha, I wonder if this is the best place for this question...Batgirl may not like it so much here.

That said, here's my current thinking.  I am forgetting about H for the moment (since who knows?).  I am going to Yale unless I get the NYU Furman Scholarship.  Then, I'm not sure.

you didn't ask a question ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 13, 2006, 09:54:21 AM
Ha, I wonder if this is the best place for this question...Batgirl may not like it so much here.

That said, here's my current thinking.  I am forgetting about H for the moment (since who knows?).  I am going to Yale unless I get the NYU Furman Scholarship.  Then, I'm not sure.

you didn't ask a question ;)

I meant JG's

EDIT: I changed the post above to make it have some sense.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blackadder on February 13, 2006, 09:56:44 AM
Too bad about the 9:10 class. How much snow did you guys get in New Haven?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 13, 2006, 10:01:02 AM

hey Bass, so you're forgetting H for now? I think I may do the same. I'm still working on that essay though! :o Argh, I have to send it out asap  >:(

I'm not expecting anything from them, that's all.  I put together a  nice update package for them (significant updates in resume, why harvard, nice cover letter, 4.0 Fall semester), but I can make no sense of the hold process.  I'm going to stop worrying about it and just count it as a ding until/unless I hear otherwise.  It's not a big deal...I've gotten over the HLS obsession.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 10:04:19 AM
Too bad about the 9:10 class. How much snow did you guys get in New Haven?

About a foot.  It was great ;D.  My first blizzard!  It set records all over the northeast (meaning it's not typical).  Of course, now everything is cleared away.  But they're having a snowball fight at 1 p.m. in the law school courtyard!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 13, 2006, 10:05:43 AM
Too bad about the 9:10 class. How much snow did you guys get in New Haven?

About a foot.  It was great ;D.  My first blizzard!  It set records all over the northeast (meaning it's not typical).  Of course, now everything is cleared away.  But they're having a snowball fight at 1 p.m. in the law school courtyard!

Boo! I still had to go to my 8am class  >:(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 10:08:41 AM
Lol.  I'm going to recommend to Dean Thompson that they limit all non-law-students to two drinks.  They probably won't go for it, though.  Law students have been complaining about the undergrads for years...but I think they basically fund the dining hall.

On another note, I also think we should prevent them from having class in our auditorium.  But I digress... ;)

Yeah, your dining hall would be bankrupt if not for us subsidizing it with the  $$$ we pay to Yale Dining Services.

It's funny that you mention the auditorium, because it sounds like you would have loved YLS last year.

Last year the YLS dining hall had a section cordoned off (the alcove-like area to the left when you enter) with couches and a sign that said LAW STUDENTS ONLY. In addition, the cashier lanes had a  big sign which said:

Law Students
-->
Undergrads
<--

to divide the lines. And then there was this cashier who was a b1tch and got a huge kick out of enforcing a (now cancelled) policy that prevented UGs from swiping for dinner at the law school cafeteria until 5.15, and also forbad UGs between 5.30 and 6.30 or something like that.

The evil cashier claimed that "their cards don't work until 5:15" but it was a human enforced system. She was visibly entertained by having a huge line of UGs and telling them to wait for an extra 2, 3, or 5 minutes. And I know the system was human and not computer enforced because one time the manager came by and told her to start swiping the cards and magically, they worked! That cashier is now out of here.

And Alci, have you noticed those black gates set into the wall at the end of the hallway leading from the front entrance to the auditorium? I've actually had guards close those gates to lock me in. You see, last year when Cold War was held in the SLB auditorium, someone at YLS came up with this policy of posting a sign at the front door saying "Undergrads must enter and exit from High St. entrance only" (a side door down the street, less than 1/4 of the size of the main entrance). An armed guard was posted to enforce the policy. And after the lecture, an armed guard closed the black gate to prevent undergrads from walking through the hallway and forced everyone to exit from the High St. entrance; it took 5-10 minutes for everyone to cram through those 2 little doors. And then someone at YLS had the idea to turn off the AC in the auditorium whenever it was used for Cold War (oh, the irony), causing us to roast. This continued until one John L. Gaddis lodged a loud complaint, and then the AC was restored. But the "undergrads enter high st. only" policy remained...seriously, it was like Jim Crow.

So, I was really fed up with YLS snobbery ("we're too good for the rest of Yale") and decided that I would not apply to YLS because I was unwilling to participate in such antics. However, this year, the Jim Crow entrance policy is gone, the black gate is retired, the evil dining hall cashier is gone, the "law students only" seating area is no longer restricted, and even the obnoxious dining transfer windows have been revoked. So, I changed my mind and I have applied.

However, I think you would have gotten a real kick out of seeing some of this stuff that happened in YLS last year.

(Incidentally, the John L. Gaddis mentioned above is the same professor who has stepped up in defense of Prof. Paul Kennedy, who allegedly ran over a student while driving with a suspended license last week.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 10:12:17 AM
I still don't see how this snow is record breaking...back in 96 we had the most monstrous blizzard ever. We've definitely had more snow than this before... ???
I was wondering that too.

But then again, I was in Boston, where I'm pretty sure it wasn't even the largest snowstorm in the past 13 months.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 13, 2006, 10:13:50 AM
I'm from CT, and 1 ft wouldn't break any seasonal records.  That said, meteorologists love records like "That was record snowfall for February 12.  We haven't had that much snow on 2/12 since 1942."  Such a record is hardly surprising.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 13, 2006, 10:16:39 AM
Stanford's beginning to sound better and better  :D




Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 10:17:34 AM
Stanford's beginning to sound better and better  :D






 :D seeeeeeeeriously!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 10:21:44 AM
seriously, it's a conspiracy.

Yeah, ya'll get crazy snow up in Boston, so I'm sure it was nothing compared to what you're used to...but did the storm stretch up to Boston? The weather people in New York are *very* New York-centric and only show the Island and Manhattan...I'd imagine the city of Boston is quite efficient in dealing with such massive amounts snow...

NYC, on the other hand, was paralyzed :(

People made a big deal about it, and the radio was saying not to go out on pain of death (well, not exactly, but you know what I mean).  I didn't really leave the house, but a bunch of my friends were driving around by the early evening.  And this morning there weren't any problems at all with conditions; all the roads are fine, etc.  Even a lot of sidewalks are clear.

Last year there was a huge storm that really was a big deal.  That was fun.  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Nemesis on February 13, 2006, 10:31:32 AM
But Boston is really efficient in cleaning up snow. New Yorkers act like they've never seen it before. Like "Dear Lord, what is this strange white substance that is being emitted from the sky?!?!? Run for cover!!!!!!!"

It's pathetic. Especially on Long Island, where last year they didn't plow AT ALL for 2 days and one would literally be advised not to leave one's house unless it's a dire emergency. I guess that's what we get for having one of the highest property tax rates in the country... :P >:(


You know what that means -- no snow days. And snow days are supposed to be the whole POINT of snowstorms...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 10:39:39 AM
Lol.  A former undergrad posted the same sentiments on XO (wasn't you, was it? ;))  I've seen them do the black gate thing this year.  The security guard was obviously enjoying it.  But surely you can understand why law students would be perturbed at 500 undergrads (almost the size of our entire school) invading our building, dining hall, and library.

Lol.  I'm going to recommend to Dean Thompson that they limit all non-law-students to two drinks.  They probably won't go for it, though.  Law students have been complaining about the undergrads for years...but I think they basically fund the dining hall.

On another note, I also think we should prevent them from having class in our auditorium.  But I digress... ;)

Yeah, your dining hall would be bankrupt if not for us subsidizing it with the  $$$ we pay to Yale Dining Services.

It's funny that you mention the auditorium, because it sounds like you would have loved YLS last year.

Last year the YLS dining hall had a section cordoned off (the alcove-like area to the left when you enter) with couches and a sign that said LAW STUDENTS ONLY. In addition, the cashier lanes had a  big sign which said:

Law Students
-->
Undergrads
<--

to divide the lines. And then there was this cashier who was a b1tch and got a huge kick out of enforcing a (now cancelled) policy that prevented UGs from swiping for dinner at the law school cafeteria until 5.15, and also forbad UGs between 5.30 and 6.30 or something like that.

The evil cashier claimed that "their cards don't work until 5:15" but it was a human enforced system. She was visibly entertained by having a huge line of UGs and telling them to wait for an extra 2, 3, or 5 minutes. And I know the system was human and not computer enforced because one time the manager came by and told her to start swiping the cards and magically, they worked! That cashier is now out of here.

And Alci, have you noticed those black gates set into the wall at the end of the hallway leading from the front entrance to the auditorium? I've actually had guards close those gates to lock me in. You see, last year when Cold War was held in the SLB auditorium, someone at YLS came up with this policy of posting a sign at the front door saying "Undergrads must enter and exit from High St. entrance only" (a side door down the street, less than 1/4 of the size of the main entrance). An armed guard was posted to enforce the policy. And after the lecture, an armed guard closed the black gate to prevent undergrads from walking through the hallway and forced everyone to exit from the High St. entrance; it took 5-10 minutes for everyone to cram through those 2 little doors. And then someone at YLS had the idea to turn off the AC in the auditorium whenever it was used for Cold War (oh, the irony), causing us to roast. This continued until one John L. Gaddis lodged a loud complaint, and then the AC was restored. But the "undergrads enter high st. only" policy remained...seriously, it was like Jim Crow.

So, I was really fed up with YLS snobbery ("we're too good for the rest of Yale") and decided that I would not apply to YLS because I was unwilling to participate in such antics. However, this year, the Jim Crow entrance policy is gone, the black gate is retired, the evil dining hall cashier is gone, the "law students only" seating area is no longer restricted, and even the obnoxious dining transfer windows have been revoked. So, I changed my mind and I have applied.

However, I think you would have gotten a real kick out of seeing some of this stuff that happened in YLS last year.

(Incidentally, the John L. Gaddis mentioned above is the same professor who has stepped up in defense of Prof. Paul Kennedy, who allegedly ran over a student while driving with a suspended license last week.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 10:45:25 AM
No, I don't post on XO. It's such a mess over there, I don't even read it.

I can understand why you would be annoyed at having to get the Diet Lime Snapple and have it be warm because the UGs took all the cold ones and all the good flavors.

It might be annoying to have people walking in the hall during your exams too...to whatever extent that the exams matter. (Though the UG lectures held in SLB AUD are only 200~300 students, not 500.)

Basically we only invade your facilities to the extent that University policy allows us to because YLS is part of Yale University. The same way you invade "our" parking lots, make money as TAs in "our" classes, and avail of "our" broadband Internet and OED subscription.

Here's to bullet shopping  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 10:56:18 AM
Lol.  We don't invade anything labled "undergrad."  We can't access the residential colleges...heck, we're even locked out of Old Campus at night.  Everything else is equal access.

FYI: the Law School has its own wireless network
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 10:59:22 AM
Is anything explicitly labeled "undergrad"?

The res colleges are dorms, which is why they're locked...you are welcome to traipse all over our classrooms and dining halls if you like!  ;D

O but how does the law school's wireless network connect to the outside world? most likely via the T1 lines from Yale ITS to Comcast/AT&T, right?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 11:08:50 AM
Hehe.  Once again, equal access.  Besides, the law school is unlike the rest of the schools in that it is financially independent of the University.  Thus, what is in the law school really is "ours."
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on February 13, 2006, 11:17:49 AM
This is a thrilling turf war, so I am sorry to interrupt.  (My UG has a very distinct law school, which, despite its proximity/inclusion in the main campus, is a different world from the regular university)

But, I think my Yale obsession is growing deeper, thanks in part to you lunatics.

I started sorting and filing applicants in previous years on LSN and found that my particular set of stats and background may make me a more likely candidate than I thought.

So now, instead of being happy about where I'm accepted (and would be delighted to go), I just think "where's the call?" or "where's the letter" depending on my mood and time of day.

Last night, after cramming for midterms for three hours (during an academic period that has seen really weak, unfocused effort on my part), when I desperately should have been sleeping, instead, I spent an hour and a half reading things about Yale online, then another hour rolling around in bed, half-dreaming of getting a call.  I worked through what they might say, what activities I participate in that I could acceptably run from in the middle of the day, screaming with excitement.

I'm going to be useless in doing much more than earning B- range grades and frothing over a private compulsion until I get some HYS love or hate, with the focus on damned New Haven.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 13, 2006, 11:37:03 AM
This is a thrilling turf war, so I am sorry to interrupt.  (My UG has a very distinct law school, which, despite its proximity/inclusion in the main campus, is a different world from the regular university)

I'm not sure that's what Alci means: geographical distinction =/= financial distinction.  Financial independence means that Yale's tuition dollars aren't used to subsidize less-profitable (but still necessasry) undergraduate and liberal arts programs.

I already know the (an) answer to this, but I want to know what your take on it is:

Why do you feel that liberal arts and undergrad programs for that matter are necessary?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 11:38:43 AM
Hehe.  Once again, equal access.  Besides, the law school is unlike the rest of the schools in that it is financially independent of the University.  Thus, what is in the law school really is "ours."

I understand that things in the law school building are paid for from law school tuition, fees, & alumni donations.

I'm just saying that law students also use facilities that are paid for by other schools in the university; for example, unlike HLS, YLS doesn't have its own gym. So what I am saying is that it is through the a similar "equal access" policy that undergrads get into the dining hall in YLS, or that professors hired by schools other than the law school gain access to the law auditorium to teach classes.

When YLS was first established, surely the funds must have come from other Yale schools, because there would have been no YLS alumni or tuition payers at that time to pay for classroom buildings, professors, and other facilities. In that sense, without Yale College there would be no Yale Law School.

However, I do know that SLB is designed on a pretty small scale (e.g. very limited seating in the dining hall, narrow corridors) and some areas are really crowded, so I can see why you could find it very unpleasant to be flooded by packs of undergrads at certain hours.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
I already know the (an) answer to this, but I want to know what your take on it is:

Why do you feel that liberal arts and undergrad programs for that matter are necessary?

 ??? :o
Maybe not necessary for the functioning of a law school (Cooley does fine on their own, right?) but certainly necessary for the functioning of a major university.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 11:44:46 AM
Speaking of the law school's lack of a gym...apparently we used to have one.  Some displaced squash players (there was a high school tournament this weekend) were told to go to the law school squash courts by someone who had used them a decade ago.  I told them the extent of our exercise facilities was a treadmill, eliptical, and cycle in the basement of the dorm.  They didn't believe me, I showed them, and they went away disheartened.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 11:48:34 AM
When YLS was first established, surely the funds must have come from other Yale schools, because there would have been no YLS alumni or tuition payers at that time to pay for classroom buildings, professors, and other facilities. In that sense, without Yale College there would be no Yale Law School.

Lol.  You don't want me to go into the history of YLS.  Long story short, Yale basically usurped another law school, and the usurped law school received little, if any, funding from Yale, even though the students got degrees with the Yale name.  The money the students paid went to the facilities and the teachers (the only way they made money).  It wasn't until late in the 19th century that Yale started investing in the law school.  Thus, there were YLS alumni before the Sterling Law Buildings.  But, I will say, thank God for the Sterlings ;).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: hypanon on February 13, 2006, 11:53:41 AM
hypanon, are you set on yale?

I'm fairly certain that I'll be attending YLS. I often delude myself into thinking that my mind is not yet made up about this, that there is still some small chance that I would choose HLS, but on other days (like today) I doubt that is the case. Given my interests, I just don't have a compelling reason--as you do, Bass--for choosing HLS over YLS. If I didn't attend HC, perhaps I would have considered it more strongly because of the philosophy faculty, but I've had my fill.

HLS is pulling out all the stops though. I've been receiving e-mails from students/faculty, including a professor at HLS whose work TS knows I admire...  The HLS Admissions Office under TS is being really proactive about securing the allegiance of admits, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were a small drop in YLS's yield as a result. But, I doubt that this extra attention will much influence me.


Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 13, 2006, 12:06:36 PM
Given my interests, I just don't have a compelling reason--as you do, Bass--for choosing HLS over YLS.

Good stuff.  On that point (of compelling philosophical interest), I am really drawn to the IP and internet law work done at HLS.  YLS has Benkler (and Balkin, who has written some interesting stuff about free speech in virtual worlds), but HLS is much stronger in that dept (I think).

Anyone know of any other YLS people I can obsess about (in the spirit of this thread)?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 13, 2006, 12:29:47 PM

And Alci, have you noticed those black gates set into the wall at the end of the hallway leading from the front entrance to the auditorium? I've actually had guards close those gates to lock me in. You see, last year when Cold War was held in the SLB auditorium, someone at YLS came up with this policy of posting a sign at the front door saying "Undergrads must enter and exit from High St. entrance only" (a side door down the street, less than 1/4 of the size of the main entrance). An armed guard was posted to enforce the policy. And after the lecture, an armed guard closed the black gate to prevent undergrads from walking through the hallway and forced everyone to exit from the High St. entrance; it took 5-10 minutes for everyone to cram through those 2 little doors. And then someone at YLS had the idea to turn off the AC in the auditorium whenever it was used for Cold War (oh, the irony), causing us to roast. This continued until one John L. Gaddis lodged a loud complaint, and then the AC was restored. But the "undergrads enter high st. only" policy remained...seriously, it was like Jim Crow.



WHAT?  No more black gates in slb?  How quickly things change; I guess I'm out of touch already.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 13, 2006, 12:36:20 PM
YLS doesn't have its own gym?


Errrr, that's one big point for the "other school"

Do you guys have a gym close by at least?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 12:36:35 PM
Given my interests, I just don't have a compelling reason--as you do, Bass--for choosing HLS over YLS.

Good stuff.  On that point (of compelling philosophical interest), I am really drawn to the IP and internet law work done at HLS.  YLS has Benkler (and Balkin, who has written some interesting stuff about free speech in virtual worlds), but HLS is much stronger in that dept (I think).

Anyone know of any other YLS people I can obsess about (in the spirit of this thread)?

Sorry Bass, but the true spirit of this thread is for those of us who haven't received acceptance calls. :P

Cosigned.

I wish the people I talk to about law school in real life would stop telling me that Yale would be the best law school for me.

I wish NYU's housing situation didn't suck so much.

I wish people would stop telling me how corporate and grade focused Harvard is.

I wish I'd find something better to spend my energy on than worrying about this.  But I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen.

My phone just wrang and I practically jumped.  I really need to just get my damn rejection letter and start getting over it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on February 13, 2006, 12:49:29 PM
What about the Payne Whitney Gymnasium?


The Payne Whitney Gymnasium is one of the most elaborate and extensive
indoor athletic facilities in the world. This complex includes the 3,100-seat John
J. Lee Amphitheater, the site for many indoor varsity sports contests; the Robert
J.H. Kiphuth Exhibition Pool; the Brady Squash Center, a world-class facility
with fifteen international-style courts; the Adrian C. Israel Fitness Center, a
state-of-the-art exercise and weight-training complex; the Brooks-Dwyer Varsity
Strength and Conditioning Center; the Colonel William K. Lanman, Jr.
Center, a 30,ooo-square-foot space for recreational/ intramural play and varsity
team practice; the Greenberg Brothers Track, an eighth-mile indoor jogging
track; and other rooms devoted to fencing, gymnastics, rowing, wrestling, martial
arts, general exercise, and dance. Numerous physical education classes in
dance, martial arts, aerobic exercise, and sport skills are offered throughout the
year. Graduate and professional school students may use the gym at no charge
during the academic year. Academic and summer memberships at reasonable
fees are available for faculty, employees, postdoctoral and visiting fellows, and
student spouses.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 12:51:27 PM
Given my interests, I just don't have a compelling reason--as you do, Bass--for choosing HLS over YLS.

Good stuff.  On that point (of compelling philosophical interest), I am really drawn to the IP and internet law work done at HLS.  YLS has Benkler (and Balkin, who has written some interesting stuff about free speech in virtual worlds), but HLS is much stronger in that dept (I think).

Anyone know of any other YLS people I can obsess about (in the spirit of this thread)?

Sorry Bass, but the true spirit of this thread is for those of us who haven't received acceptance calls. :P

Cosigned.

I wish the people I talk to about law school in real life would stop telling me that Yale would be the best law school for me.

I wish NYU's housing situation didn't suck so much.

I wish people would stop telling me how corporate and grade focused Harvard is.

I wish I'd find something better to spend my energy on than worrying about this.  But I'm pretty sure that isn't going to happen.

My phone just wrang and I practically jumped.  I really need to just get my damn rejection letter and start getting over it.

Batgirl, I simply cannot imagine why you would not get into YLS. Your stats are incredibly strong, and while I haven't seen your essays, I'm sure that they were great and original...maybe they're just taking their sweet time to torture you? Because they're YLS and they can? You'll get The Call soon enough, I'm sure ;) :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 01:09:12 PM
Batgirl, I simply cannot imagine why you would not get into YLS. Your stats are incredibly strong, and while I haven't seen your essays, I'm sure that they were great and original...maybe they're just taking their sweet time to torture you? Because they're YLS and they can? You'll get The Call soon enough, I'm sure ;) :)

 :)  Thanks for the vote of confidence.  But a lot of people with my stats do get rejected (according to chiashu my stats give me a 20% shot).

There's a voice in my head that's totally convinced that my essays were awesome and my extra curriculars were interesting and I'm so getting in.  But my guess is that everybody who applies to Yale has that voice, and most of us aren't getting in.   :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 13, 2006, 01:12:57 PM
Batgirl, I simply cannot imagine why you would not get into YLS. Your stats are incredibly strong, and while I haven't seen your essays, I'm sure that they were great and original...maybe they're just taking their sweet time to torture you? Because they're YLS and they can? You'll get The Call soon enough, I'm sure ;) :)

 :)  Thanks for the vote of confidence.  But a lot of people with my stats do get rejected (according to chiashu my stats give me a 20% shot).

There's a voice in my head that's totally convinced that my essays were awesome and my extra curriculars were interesting and I'm so getting in.  But my guess is that everybody who applies to Yale has that voice, and most of us aren't getting in.   :-\

Really? 20%- I think chiashu gave me ~30% and your stats (IMO) are better...jsia
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 13, 2006, 01:13:43 PM
OMG Su/Batgirl, I have totally renewed confidence that you'll get in.

I can't wait, I think I'm as eager for you to get in as I am for myself.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 01:24:15 PM
Really? 20%- I think chiashu gave me ~30% and your stats (IMO) are better...jsia

GPA is very important for Yale, and mine is below their 25%.

Thanks B.K.!  I think they should let you in over me, personally.  But I'd rather they let us both in.   ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 01:30:50 PM
Really? 20%- I think chiashu gave me ~30% and your stats (IMO) are better...jsia

GPA is very important for Yale, and mine is below their 25%.

Thanks B.K.!  I think they should let you in over me, personally.  But I'd rather they let us both in.   ;)


but its from a very good school, right?....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 01:33:41 PM
but its from a very good school, right?....

Fairly good, but not known for harsh grading or anything.

And I've got no excuse for it (not that I personally think an A- average requires an excuse, but whatever).  I didn't take harder-than-average classes or anything.  I just didn't care about my grades, 'cause I didn't think I was going to do anything that they mattered for.

Opps.   :-[
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 01:40:31 PM
but its from a very good school, right?....

Fairly good, but not known for harsh grading or anything.

And I've got no excuse for it (not that I personally think an A- average requires an excuse, but whatever).  I didn't take harder-than-average classes or anything.  I just didn't care about my grades, 'cause I didn't think I was going to do anything that they mattered for.

Opps.   :-[

oh, I thought that all of the Seven Sisters were tough graders. Perhaps I am really confused...I know Swarthmore is notorious for its insanity in grading...is it one of the Seven Sisters?
 ??? hmmm..


in any case, you still have an excellent GPA, hell, it got you into Harvard!!!! And my higher LSAT was 2 points below their 25th percentile, I can't imagine they'd hold back on you b/c of your (very strong) GPA...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 13, 2006, 01:44:26 PM
oh, I thought that all of the Seven Sisters were tough graders. Perhaps I am really confused...I know Swarthmore is notorious for its insanity in grading...is it one of the Seven Sisters?
 ??? hmmm..

No, Swarthmore isn't one.

And I don't really know about the reputations, but I've never heard people say my UG was especially harsh or anything, so I always figured it was pretty average.

And I'll certainly get over it if I don't get in; it's no big deal and I'm sure it won't radically alter my life or anything.   :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 01:51:38 PM
oh, I thought that all of the Seven Sisters were tough graders. Perhaps I am really confused...I know Swarthmore is notorious for its insanity in grading...is it one of the Seven Sisters?
 ??? hmmm..

No, Swarthmore isn't one.

And I don't really know about the reputations, but I've never heard people say my UG was especially harsh or anything, so I always figured it was pretty average.

And I'll certainly get over it if I don't get in; it's no big deal and I'm sure it won't radically alter my life or anything.   :)


yeah... I'd say your "backup" (HLS) would be just fine  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
WHAT?  No more black gates in slb?  How quickly things change; I guess I'm out of touch already.

The gates are still there, I just haven't seen them used all year. However, Alci did see them used.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 13, 2006, 02:08:43 PM
WHAT?  No more black gates in slb?  How quickly things change; I guess I'm out of touch already.

The gates are still there, I just haven't seen them used all year. However, Alci did see them used.

Ah, I see.  That's reassuring in a weird way.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 13, 2006, 02:09:41 PM
What about the Payne Whitney Gymnasium?

Yeah that's the university gym, and law students can use it along with everyone else. It's a short walk from the law school. There are tons of facilites inside. Some of the basements and upper floors are creepy though...it's an old building with some of those rumors about girls who drowned in swimming pools 50 years ago etc.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 04:05:05 PM
Given my interests, I just don't have a compelling reason--as you do, Bass--for choosing HLS over YLS.

Good stuff.  On that point (of compelling philosophical interest), I am really drawn to the IP and internet law work done at HLS.  YLS has Benkler (and Balkin, who has written some interesting stuff about free speech in virtual worlds), but HLS is much stronger in that dept (I think).

Anyone know of any other YLS people I can obsess about (in the spirit of this thread)?

I just got out of Benkler's IP class (proper name: The Regulation of Information Production and Exchange: An Introduction to Patents, Copyrights, and Similar Exclusive Rights Regimes...right) a couple of hours ago.  Incredibly interesting class, and he's obviously very knowledgeable about the subject.  Only complaint: He has assigned over 100 pages of reading per class (meets twice a week).  He warned us about this, and he meant it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 04:06:21 PM
YLS doesn't have its own gym?


Errrr, that's one big point for the "other school"

Do you guys have a gym close by at least?

Like others have said, Payne-Whitney is only about 2 blocks away.  So no problem there, really.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on February 13, 2006, 05:14:02 PM
I am obsessed with the fact Yale didn't reject me right away.  I now have false hope. 
Title: Re: Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 13, 2006, 08:11:40 PM
it's 6am and i'm here yet again.

oh the torment...

Isn't hell great? Goodnight.  ;)
Title: Re: Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 13, 2006, 09:38:23 PM
it's 6am and i'm here yet again.

oh the torment...

If it makes you feel any better...  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 13, 2006, 09:59:54 PM
YLS doesn't have its own gym?


Errrr, that's one big point for the "other school"

Do you guys have a gym close by at least?

Like others have said, Payne-Whitney is only about 2 blocks away.  So no problem there, really.


putting me on blast, Alci. I didn't read the other posts...if its more than four lines, I generally skip it. Thanks though. I hope this isn't anywhere else, but what are your thoughts on the gym? adequate? great? POS?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 13, 2006, 10:35:08 PM
Lol.  It's the (second?) largest gym in the world.  It's a monstrosity.  It suits my needs :D.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Harvest on February 14, 2006, 03:34:41 AM
Hello Su/Sugersh(Sugarish)/Batgirl:
I must tell you that your curiosity has become that of mine (although my application cycle would be for the 2007 entering class); and I really, really hope that your dreams will come true. It is comforting to realize that you already have a great spot to land on, thus, things can never fall apart, at least admission wise.

Well, I long for the same institution (YLS) for three reasons: 1) I do believe cooperation leads to a more conducive environment in educational institutions (cumulative knowledge and learning from each other are of fudamental values, at least to poor me)than competition. 2)I do think the financial aid package is great 3)I think of a better possibility to conduct one's own research and course selections at the above-mentioned institute than many other law schools.

I am not trying add some more pain on your... ;D, believe me..., for I will be in you shoes in few months.

I hope the goodnews is on the way!
 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on February 14, 2006, 06:07:27 AM
out.

didn't really have a short with my gpa anyway. 

oh well...  columbia it is.  :)

damn. sorry to hear that. :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 14, 2006, 06:43:56 AM
out.

didn't really have a short with my gpa anyway. 

oh well...  columbia it is.  :)

Arrrrrrghhhhhhg!!!  :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 14, 2006, 06:49:33 AM
out.

didn't really have a short with my gpa anyway. 

oh well...  columbia it is.  :)

NO!!!!!!!!!!!! :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 14, 2006, 07:14:10 AM
out.

didn't really have a short with my gpa anyway. 

oh well...  columbia it is.  :)

Oh, damn them and their silly GPA obsession!   >:(

I'm sorry.   :'(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: dw05 on February 14, 2006, 07:21:39 AM
Sorry to hear it, sjw.  I'm sure you'll love it at columbia, though.   :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 14, 2006, 07:37:16 AM
Sorry, Stanley!

Geez, YLS is so so obsessed with GPA.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 14, 2006, 09:01:13 AM
That sucks Stanley, sorry to hear it. Seems like your chin is up though and you're keeping it all in perspective.


You just received the letter this morning? that's kinda a strange, early hour no?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 14, 2006, 09:31:55 AM
That sucks Stanley, sorry to hear it. Seems like your chin is up though and you're keeping it all in perspective.


You just received the letter this morning? that's kinda a strange, early hour no?

i'm surprisingly okay with it, but mostly because of my reasons to stay in new york.  :)

it was actually this afternoon for me.  i'm overseas. 
Oh, I feel as ditzy as Elle Woods ( who we all know is truly a genious underneath) for forgetting about a lil' somethin' somethin' called TIME ZONES. whoops!

Anyway, NYC rules! Live there now and I'll probably be here for law school too: this is where all the fun is had.
And yay for being re-united with your sweetheart...see, who knew a rejection letter could be an inadvertant Valentine's day present?!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 14, 2006, 09:33:56 AM
out.

didn't really have a short with my gpa anyway. 

oh well...  columbia it is.  :)

dude, Sir Watson, I'm sorry bout NHSoL...Columbia is awesome anyway, and it is in a much better city :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 14, 2006, 09:45:35 AM
Mr. Watson, sad news  :'(.  We will certainly not be at the same institution (big W for me at Columbia...liked NYU better).  That said, long distance for 4 years is tough enough, but 7?  That seems pretty insane.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: sea dream on February 14, 2006, 10:00:58 AM
just wanted to tag the thread, and to say best wishes for all of you guys waiting on Yale, and sorry about the rejections :(. i have an app in at yale but very very little expectations of an acceptance, so i'm mainly lurking and drooling in the background here. of course, as always LSD makes me nervous about waiting, and this thread is making me wish i could go to Yale- but then, who doesn't want that? everything i've heard about it makes it sound like paradise. Well, except for the location and the weather (compared to SLS). Congrats to those that have received or eventually will receive acceptances- more than anywhere else, i know you guys earned it.  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: B.K. on February 14, 2006, 10:12:30 AM

shame that i can't go to school with all you yale folks though.  you seem like such a fun bunch.  ;)
It's true. The Yale folks seem like such a cool kids club that I have not yet been asked to join. Maybe now that people can see my real pic I'll get an invite?? ::) ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on February 14, 2006, 10:19:45 AM
Well, there're always visits between NY and NH, anyway.  Yalies need a pal and a place to crash when they come down for Broadway and such, right?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 14, 2006, 12:24:01 PM
sorry to hear, sjw, but columbia will be amazing, i'm sure.  and congrats on all your great (and mysterious) acceptances :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 14, 2006, 12:26:14 PM
haha sorry i was just about to go back and edit...i've been away from LSD all day, and only after posting did i realize that you now have a working LSN link.  so congrats on your non-mysterious acceptances!!  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 14, 2006, 01:39:42 PM
so now that i received the levy scholarship from penn, i'm a bit anxious.  i have to decide whether to accept it (and, accordingly, commit to going to penn) by april 3...but what if i don't hear from yale (or harvard, for that matter) by then?  of the people who went complete last year around the same time as i did (2/8), the vast majority did not receive a decision until late april. 

i've got a while before i have to really start worrying about this, but i may as well get a head start (as i didn't do with my yale app...damn me!). 

 :-[
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 14, 2006, 01:48:43 PM
so now that i received the levy scholarship from penn, i'm a bit anxious.  i have to decide whether to accept it (and, accordingly, commit to going to penn) by april 3...but what if i don't hear from yale (or harvard, for that matter) by then?  of the people who went complete last year around the same time as i did (2/8), the vast majority did not receive a decision until late april. 

i've got a while before i have to really start worrying about this, but i may as well get a head start (as i didn't do with my yale app...damn me!). 

 :-[

Congragulations chombi!

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 14, 2006, 01:51:38 PM
thanks steve!  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Karl Pilkington on February 14, 2006, 01:55:31 PM
so now that i received the levy scholarship from penn, i'm a bit anxious.  i have to decide whether to accept it (and, accordingly, commit to going to penn) by april 3...but what if i don't hear from yale (or harvard, for that matter) by then?  of the people who went complete last year around the same time as i did (2/8), the vast majority did not receive a decision until late april. 

i've got a while before i have to really start worrying about this, but i may as well get a head start (as i didn't do with my yale app...damn me!). 

 :-[

From the YLS Admissions FAQ:

"If you are facing scholarship or deposit deadlines and have not yet received a decision from us, please email admissions.law@yale.edu with your name, LSAC number, a current phone number and the school, type of deadline, and date."

Couldn't hurt to email them about the Levy if you haven't heard by late March.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 14, 2006, 01:58:45 PM
so now that i received the levy scholarship from penn, i'm a bit anxious.  i have to decide whether to accept it (and, accordingly, commit to going to penn) by april 3...but what if i don't hear from yale (or harvard, for that matter) by then?  of the people who went complete last year around the same time as i did (2/8), the vast majority did not receive a decision until late april. 

i've got a while before i have to really start worrying about this, but i may as well get a head start (as i didn't do with my yale app...damn me!). 

 :-[

From the YLS Admissions FAQ:

"If you are facing scholarship or deposit deadlines and have not yet received a decision from us, please email admissions.law@yale.edu with your name, LSAC number, a current phone number and the school, type of deadline, and date."

Couldn't hurt to email them about the Levy if you haven't heard by late March.

wow thats fantastic! thanks efp!  my mind is at ease  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Karl Pilkington on February 16, 2006, 02:47:19 PM
Either this guy is a flame, or he's pretty damn lucky:

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=trstn007

171, 3.23 White Male, into Harvard and Yale? Something seems fishy...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 16, 2006, 02:52:06 PM
The Feb 16th entry is a tip-off that it's fake
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 16, 2006, 04:15:49 PM
He would be the only person reporting an acceptance call from H OR Y on today 2/16, not to mention both.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: serpentstooth on February 16, 2006, 04:52:39 PM
Hello to everyone; this is my first time posting at this site (after finding it yesterday), and I just thought I'd add myself to the list of oh-so-miserable ones waiting on a Yale reply.  I went complete on 2/9, so here's hoping!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 16, 2006, 07:14:56 PM
Hello to everyone; this is my first time posting at this site (after finding it yesterday), and I just thought I'd add myself to the list of oh-so-miserable ones waiting on a Yale reply.  I went complete on 2/9, so here's hoping!

2/9? yikes, unless you're really lucky, you might have a really long wait..even longer than mine...try to find something to entertain/distract yourself in the meantime.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 16, 2006, 07:35:11 PM
Hello to everyone; this is my first time posting at this site (after finding it yesterday), and I just thought I'd add myself to the list of oh-so-miserable ones waiting on a Yale reply.  I went complete on 2/9, so here's hoping!

2/9? yikes, unless you're really lucky, you might have a really long wait..even longer than mine...try to find something to entertain/distract yourself in the meantime.

mine is 2/8 :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 16, 2006, 07:35:52 PM
But you got a Toby call, so who cares?  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 17, 2006, 12:04:55 AM
But you got a Toby call, so who cares?  ;D

0:)  i care about all schools equally.  i'm an equal opportunity stresser.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: serpentstooth on February 17, 2006, 12:18:16 AM
Hello to everyone; this is my first time posting at this site (after finding it yesterday), and I just thought I'd add myself to the list of oh-so-miserable ones waiting on a Yale reply.  I went complete on 2/9, so here's hoping!

2/9? yikes, unless you're really lucky, you might have a really long wait..even longer than mine...try to find something to entertain/distract yourself in the meantime.
hopefully something other than LSD


Too late, unfortunately.  I only found this site and LSN a few days ago, but I'm already hooked.  The ironic part, of course, is that I think seeing everyone else's successes are actually just making me more nervous (I got four hours of sleep last night because I woke up at 4 a.m. and started fretting about law school applications)!  Congrats, Chombi, on your Toby call...if I get any sign of acceptance or encouragement from any of my schools I'll be ecstatic.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 17, 2006, 12:37:53 AM
Hello to everyone; this is my first time posting at this site (after finding it yesterday), and I just thought I'd add myself to the list of oh-so-miserable ones waiting on a Yale reply.  I went complete on 2/9, so here's hoping!

2/9? yikes, unless you're really lucky, you might have a really long wait..even longer than mine...try to find something to entertain/distract yourself in the meantime.
hopefully something other than LSD


Too late, unfortunately.  I only found this site and LSN a few days ago, but I'm already hooked.  The ironic part, of course, is that I think seeing everyone else's successes are actually just making me more nervous (I got four hours of sleep last night because I woke up at 4 a.m. and started fretting about law school applications)!  Congrats, Chombi, on your Toby call...if I get any sign of acceptance or encouragement from any of my schools I'll be ecstatic.

thanks! i'm pretty sure that you don't have anything to worry about, and that you'll get into at least one of your 3 schools.  try not to stress it in the meantime, there's not a whole lot you can do about it at this point (said the pot to the kettle).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 18, 2006, 10:15:36 AM
i had a dream last night that i got rejected from yale :'(

they gave me a folder back with 3 copies of my application, each marked up by a faculty reviewer.  one gave me a score of 2, one gave me a 2.2, and one a 2.5.  i was very sad.

but then in the dream i got a call from toby stock (while walking around some weird shopping mall) telling me i'm in, so that made me happy.  so happy, in fact, that i started running up and down the weird mall's escalators.

an emotional roller coaster of a dream ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Professor of Parody on February 18, 2006, 11:44:34 AM
i had a dream last night that i got rejected from yale :'(

they gave me a folder back with 3 copies of my application, each marked up by a faculty reviewer.  one gave me a score of 2, one gave me a 2.2, and one a 2.5.  i was very sad.

but then in the dream i got a call from toby stock (while walking around some weird shopping mall) telling me i'm in, so that made me happy.  so happy, in fact, that i started running up and down the weird mall's escalators.

an emotional roller coaster of a dream ;)


Wow, and you're not even LSD obsessed yet!

Well, maybe the other LSD...  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Hybrid Vigor on February 18, 2006, 04:20:25 PM
I had a dream that Oprah called me and starting grilling me on my interest in law and attending Harvard. Turns out she was doing a story on the law school application process, and the conversation was being broadcast live on her show.
When I asked her why Toby wasn't the one calling me and asking me these questions, she said "Toby is far too busy calling the people that Harvard's actually accepting. I'm only talking to you as a favor, because Toby and I have a close relationship."

Yipes.



 :D :D :D

That's hilarious!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 18, 2006, 04:49:05 PM
That is great.  I only had one acceptance related dream, and it wasn't very interesting.  On the other hand, I woke up very, very disappointed.   :'(

Actually, I'm pretty non-yls-obsessed at the moment.  It's amazing what financial-aid-form-tax-fuckup panic, combined with sudden-realization-that-I-have-to-move-soon panic, will do to quiet am-I-going-to-get-in panic.   :D
Title: Re: Not obsessed anymore, and okay with it.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 18, 2006, 04:52:08 PM
Wow, Dorian, I just realized that you have half the posts I do -- and you've only been here, what, a month and a half?

*bows*

dorian is posting at an absurd rate...

also, i had noticed that this was not coming up in my unreads lately, so i already figured that batgirl was not really obsessed at the moment.

it used to be in there all the time...  :D

In truth it was no fun anymore even prior to my current state of panic.   :(
Title: Re: Not obsessed anymore, and okay with it.
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 18, 2006, 05:00:55 PM
In truth it was no fun anymore even prior to my current state of panic.   :(

hope you can get all that stuff straightened out.  moving at the last minute sucks.  :(

maybe you can move in with the duck.  :D

 :D  That'd be quite a commute.

It's not really that last minute; I have to move April 1st.  So I have time, I just hate to move and suddenly feel pressured to pick where I'm going to law school (I'm afraid my lazyness would mean that finding an apt near HLS would essentially make my choice by default).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 18, 2006, 05:07:24 PM
eh, i just assume that everywhere in beantown is easy walking distance.  it has quite the small town feel in my opinion. 

and unless the above named school (yale, i can say it now) comes through, wouldn't HLS be the default anyway? 

Increasingly yes.  I still think NYU might be as good or better (for me) academically and socially, but I can't get over the living costs and conditions issue.  If the visit doesn't get me completely psyched to go there then I'll probably be at H baring good news from Yale or the Root scholarship.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 18, 2006, 05:49:14 PM
eh, i just assume that everywhere in beantown is easy walking distance.  it has quite the small town feel in my opinion. 

and unless the above named school (yale, i can say it now) comes through, wouldn't HLS be the default anyway? 

Increasingly yes. I still think NYU might be as good or better (for me) academically and socially, but I can't get over the living costs and conditions issue. If the visit doesn't get me completely psyched to go there then I'll probably be at H baring good news from Yale or the Root scholarship.

Plus VT is pretty close to Cambridge... js! ;) :-*
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 18, 2006, 06:47:11 PM
eh, i just assume that everywhere in beantown is easy walking distance.  it has quite the small town feel in my opinion. 

and unless the above named school (yale, i can say it now) comes through, wouldn't HLS be the default anyway? 

Increasingly yes. I still think NYU might be as good or better (for me) academically and socially, but I can't get over the living costs and conditions issue. If the visit doesn't get me completely psyched to go there then I'll probably be at H baring good news from Yale or the Root scholarship.

Plus VT is pretty close to Cambridge... js! ;) :-*

 ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 19, 2006, 04:55:15 AM
NYU is surrounded by good *everything*... reasonably priced restaurants, anti-war rallies, cafes that aren't owned by Starbuck's... ;D ;D ;D ;D The village is sweet :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 06:45:35 AM
I wouldn't go to admit days to see what NYU is like.  The people I know did that, and wound up being depressed by how liberal it is.  (They thought it'd be a lot more corporate.)

The plus side is that they have vegetarian soul food a block away.  ;D

As in, it came off as more corporate at the admit days, and then was really liberal, or it came off as ultra liberal in the admit days?

And I'm afraid I'd blow my budget eating out all the time if I lived in NYC.   :D  Not that Cambridge and the nearby areas don't have good food and nice non-starbucks cafes.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 06:48:53 AM
I wouldn't go to admit days to see what NYU is like.  The people I know did that, and wound up being depressed by how liberal it is.  (They thought it'd be a lot more corporate.)

The plus side is that they have vegetarian soul food a block away.  ;D

As in, it came off as more corporate at the admit days, and then was really liberal, or it came off as ultra liberal in the admit days?

And I'm afraid I'd blow my budget eating out all the time if I lived in NYC.   :D  Not that Cambridge and the nearby areas don't have good food and nice non-starbucks cafes.

i have three letters for you: RTK.  ;)

Oh, if only.  Alas my PI background really isn't that strong.  Mostly I've done political work, which I don't think counts.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 06:53:58 AM
i believe that it helps.  also it helps if they're trying to steal you away from harvard.  besides, would you really go to NYU if there wasn't a big money difference anyway?

I don't know.  I'm leaning away from it, but I hate the reasons for that (living in an ultra tiny apartment that costs more than double what a nice apartment near harvard would, not being able to bring my cat, etc., rather than anything about the academics or atmosphere at the school or the reputation).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 07:30:23 AM
i believe that it helps.  also it helps if they're trying to steal you away from harvard.  besides, would you really go to NYU if there wasn't a big money difference anyway?

I don't know.  I'm leaning away from it, but I hate the reasons for that (living in an ultra tiny apartment that costs more than double what a nice apartment near harvard would, not being able to bring my cat, etc., rather than anything about the academics or atmosphere at the school or the reputation).

quality of life issues are pretty valid, i think.  and academics, reputation both favor harvard anyway.  i don't know about atmosphere, nyu might suit you better there.

i mean, it's not like you're leaning toward a significantly worse school for quality of life reasons or anything. 

I've heard from a couple of lawyers that NYU's public interest reputation can trump Harvard's Harvard reputation when it comes to some left leaning orgs.  I'm not sure how often that's the case, but it's something that's on my mind, and the main thing in favor of NYU for me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: sea dream on February 19, 2006, 07:34:30 AM
I'm actually really drawn to NYU myself, for the location (it sounds like a GREAT place to spend three years in while you're young) and the supposedly more laid back atmosphere, but i agree with Su- living costs are a huge concern and all else equal Columbia really has an edge there with the subsidized housing. i don't know much about the housing situation in Boston but i imagine it's better than NYU's. but Su, didn't you say that you're living in an (apartment or house) with a few bedrooms for about 500? while the 500 may not be doable, if you can find roommates, maybe the cost won't be 1100+ for a room? If it is, then that's just absurd.

i think NYU probably loses a lot of students due to the housing situation (especially compared to Morningside Heights) which is a pity.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 08:49:33 AM
I'm actually really drawn to NYU myself, for the location (it sounds like a GREAT place to spend three years in while you're young) and the supposedly more laid back atmosphere, but i agree with Su- living costs are a huge concern and all else equal Columbia really has an edge there with the subsidized housing. i don't know much about the housing situation in Boston but i imagine it's better than NYU's. but Su, didn't you say that you're living in an (apartment or house) with a few bedrooms for about 500? while the 500 may not be doable, if you can find roommates, maybe the cost won't be 1100+ for a room? If it is, then that's just absurd.

Well, one problem with that is that I've heard that apartments with more than two bedrooms are rare in NYC.  But also, I'm not sure I like the idea of living in Brooklyn when 2/3 of the 1L class live on campus; it seems like it would be limiting to my social life.

And in terms of on campus housing, the cheapest actually seems to be a stuido in one of the less-nice and I think further from the law school buildings.  In the main dorms the cheapest rooms are in three bedroom suites, and it's still 1200+. 

I totally understand.  That, and the animal issue: who would take care of my cats and chinchillas?  Even if I could find someone, I'd miss them. :'(


I'm totally with you on the missing your pets thing.  My parents have said they'd take care of my cat, but still, I'd miss her a lot.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: sea dream on February 19, 2006, 08:58:09 AM
wow, that is really expensive. cost is definitely going to be the biggest prohibiting factor against attending NYU :/ good luck on the RTK, i'd kill (not really!) for the Furman, but my app was too late. and i think you have a good chance at Yale and great options in any case.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on February 19, 2006, 11:00:41 AM
Quote from: The Dread Pirate Roberts link=topic=51162.msg1068645#msg1068645
I've heard from a couple of lawyers that NYU's public interest reputation can trump Harvard's Harvard reputation when it comes to some left leaning orgs.  I'm not sure how often that's the case, but it's something that's on my mind, and the main thing in favor of NYU for me.

Have you spoken to the director of Public interest at columbia?  I had a great discussion with her a few months ago.  I was convinced that Columbia is second to few in its dedication, repayment assistance and resources for public interest law.  I think here name is Harlene Katzman (or some variant).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 19, 2006, 11:51:15 AM
the more i think about it, the less thrilled i am about NYU.  i was at this undergrad/law school mixer the other night and hung out with some really cool law students, all of whom love it at nyu (and one of whom turned down hls to come here).   that made it a bit more attractive in my eyes, but i'm still not sure.  my feeling is this -- i've been here for more than 5 years, and plan on living here after law school.  maybe this would be a good opportunity to get away?  i feel like if i stay i'll fall into my same old routine, hang out with my boyfriend and other friends all day, and not really get a new social circle. 

as for the apartment situation, it does suck.  it is possible to find multiple-bedroom apartments, but it's very difficult.  my 2 friends and i actually got REALLY lucky...we have a 3 BR on astor place (which makes me so incredibly lazy...i leave for class 3 minutes before it starts).  the downside is that 2 of the BRs (including mine) are 8x8 windowless boxes.  i got a loft bed to make it a it more liveable, but it's certainly not ideal.  oh, and i'm paying $900 a month, which is practically unheard of.  the other girl with an 8x8 is paying the same, and the one with an 8x12 is paying $1050 (grand total of $2850). 

in any case, i love living in the village and i wouldn't give it up.  on the other hand, maybe it's a good idea to get out for just 3 years :)

(ps. for whoever is going to the march 3 admit day, let's meet up! i'll give you all an unofficial tour ;))
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 11:56:19 AM
(ps. for whoever is going to the march 3 admit day, let's meet up! i'll give you all an unofficial tour ;))

That would be awesome.   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on February 19, 2006, 01:14:36 PM
I'll be at the March 3rd day, but I don't really need a tour (except of the law school, and I have a friend who is a 2L for that).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 19, 2006, 01:40:01 PM
I'll be at the March 3rd day, but I don't really need a tour (except of the law school, and I have a friend who is a 2L for that).

i was jk about the "tour", i meant we'd go out to fun places.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on February 19, 2006, 02:04:03 PM
I'm going to the NYU admit day, but now it's become like a huge family event. My dad is all excited and reliving his youth. (plus I don't mind too much because I hardly ever get to see my family) but I'm sure I'll see people there.  You'll recognize me, my dad looks just like Grandpa Joe from the old willy wonka movie.

and plus I'm excited too.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 19, 2006, 04:01:57 PM
woo! haha now i have something to be excited for.  we'll exchange cell phone #s closer to the date.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 05:00:08 PM
Ok, so I tried to RSVP, and the admitted students page isn't working.

I logged in before, and have the password typed in correctly, so I'm not sure what's going on.  I tried using my birthday again, but no luck. :-\

I never got a confirmation, so I emailed them, and they said they had in fact received my RSVP.  So, if the confirmation is all you're lacking, you're probably all set.

Ok, now I'm really going to go work on my financial aid forms some more.  I swear this is harder than the LSAT.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 19, 2006, 05:05:52 PM
Ok, now I'm really going to go work on my financial aid forms some more.  I swear this is harder than the LSAT.

this doesn't say much coming from you. ;)

Like YOU'VE got room to talk about that. ::)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 05:10:18 PM
Ok, now I'm really going to go work on my financial aid forms some more.  I swear this is harder than the LSAT.

this doesn't say much coming from you. ;)

Like YOU'VE got room to talk about that. ::)

Why am I the only one who doesn't know Stan's numbers? :'(

You aren't.  Though I do have a vague idea, for some reason that I can't put my finger on.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 19, 2006, 05:12:24 PM
His LSN link works now, y'all... Click on it - it's actually him.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 05:14:14 PM
His LSN link works now, y'all... Click on it - it's actually him.

 :D :D :D :D  :-[

Ok, working on financial aid all day has completely fried my brain.  That's why I have a vague idea; I looked at his LSN profile, but then forgot about it.

I really need to be done with this damn paperwork.   :-[
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 19, 2006, 05:15:11 PM
I've done 1 fin aid form. I haven't even LOOKED at the FAFSA. It'll be my first time to fill one out - I'm NOT looking forward to it... :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 19, 2006, 05:19:46 PM
thanks lil, though it just reinforces the fact that i was immature and lazy in college.  hoping not to be that way in LS.  ;)

and yeah, i THOUGHT i had a fafsa pin, but turns out it doesn't work.  >:(

It took me three days to figure out what the hell was going on with my FAFSA pin.   >:(

Not to mention that I had to download a whole new browser.  It's kind of funny though; I have one browser for FAFSA, one for LSAC, and one for general use.  And I'm going to need to borrow my housemate's PC for one of these forms, 'cause it's PC only for some stupid reason.  Why they can't standardize a little I have no idea.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 19, 2006, 05:34:23 PM
uh, financial aid?  i guess i should start wondering what to do with that...i have no idea where to even begin.  do i use my parents' information?  cuz i don't really have a "job" right now.  and if i don't think any place will give me $ based on my parents info, do i still have to fill out fafsa, etc.?  *sigh* i never understand money matters.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 19, 2006, 05:38:59 PM
uh, financial aid?  i guess i should start wondering what to do with that...i have no idea where to even begin.  do i use my parents' information?  cuz i don't really have a "job" right now.  and if i don't think any place will give me $ based on my parents info, do i still have to fill out fafsa, etc.?  *sigh* i never understand money matters.

i think if you're born in 1983 or later, you have to use parents info...  fill it out anyway.  you never know...

hmm ok, that's me (holla 1984).  and, just to underscore my ignorance a little more...to what exactly are you referring when you say "fill it out"?  and where is this "it" to be found?   ::)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 19, 2006, 05:44:04 PM
uh, financial aid?  i guess i should start wondering what to do with that...i have no idea where to even begin.  do i use my parents' information?  cuz i don't really have a "job" right now.  and if i don't think any place will give me $ based on my parents info, do i still have to fill out fafsa, etc.?  *sigh* i never understand money matters.

i think if you're born in 1983 or later, you have to use parents info...  fill it out anyway.  you never know...

hmm ok, that's me (holla 1984).  and, just to underscore my ignorance a little more...to what exactly are you referring when you say "fill it out"?  and where is this "it" to be found?   ::)

fill out FAFSA it wont make you put down parents info on the FAFSA (coz you are Grad student...)

You need to fill out FAFSA to be eligible for Stafford loans...

Some of your schools will undoubtedly also want you to fill out Need Access (you need parents info for that one)...some may want you to do CSS Profile (I don't know much about this one), and some like UVA have their own special forms you need to fill out as well

P.S.  I *think* I'm going to the NYU admit day on the 3rd as well...did someone say LSD get together?!

PM me!  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 19, 2006, 05:47:17 PM
:D

www.fafsa.ed.gov


uh, financial aid?  i guess i should start wondering what to do with that...i have no idea where to even begin.  do i use my parents' information?  cuz i don't really have a "job" right now.  and if i don't think any place will give me $ based on my parents info, do i still have to fill out fafsa, etc.?  *sigh* i never understand money matters.

i think if you're born in 1983 or later, you have to use parents info...  fill it out anyway.  you never know...

hmm ok, that's me (holla 1984).  and, just to underscore my ignorance a little more...to what exactly are you referring when you say "fill it out"?  and where is this "it" to be found?   ::)

fill out FAFSA it wont make you put down parents info on the FAFSA (coz you are Grad student...)

You need to fill out FAFSA to be eligible for Stafford loans...

Some of your schools will undoubtedly also want you to fill out Need Access (you need parents info for that one)...some may want you to do CSS Profile (I don't know much about this one), and some like UVA have their own special forms you need to fill out as well

P.S.  I *think* I'm going to the NYU admit day on the 3rd as well...did someone say LSD get together?!

PM me!  ;)

thanks guys! i'll try to get to work on this now...because it's lookin a whole lot more fun than my thesis ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 19, 2006, 05:49:28 PM
oo, i have another question.  if i am entertaining the thought of deferring, do i still need to fill out a FAFSA now?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 19, 2006, 05:53:32 PM
P.S.  I *think* I'm going to the NYU admit day on the 3rd as well...did someone say LSD get together?!

:'(  another get-together that i can't make.

i thought you to fill out parents regardless of grad student status.

nope if you're a grad student you dont have to fill out the parents portion...in terms of grad schools FAFSA is really just used for stafford loans, you won't get need based aid just based off that  :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 19, 2006, 08:42:30 PM
P.S.  I *think* I'm going to the NYU admit day on the 3rd as well...did someone say LSD get together?!

:'(  another get-together that i can't make.

i thought you to fill out parents regardless of grad student status.

nope if you're a grad student you dont have to fill out the parents portion...in terms of grad schools FAFSA is really just used for stafford loans, you won't get need based aid just based off that  :-\

OKOK here's the deal.
This will be true of almost all students going straight from college to LS or who took only 1-2 years off in between (thus the born 1983 or after cutoff)

You DON'T need to fill out the parents part of FAFSA because the fed govt considers you independent.

But you DO have to fill out the parents part of Need Access because Access Group does not conisder you independent.

And you most likely have to pill out parents info on school-specific forms, depending on their policy.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 19, 2006, 08:48:00 PM
P.S.  I *think* I'm going to the NYU admit day on the 3rd as well...did someone say LSD get together?!

:'(  another get-together that i can't make.

i thought you to fill out parents regardless of grad student status.

nope if you're a grad student you dont have to fill out the parents portion...in terms of grad schools FAFSA is really just used for stafford loans, you won't get need based aid just based off that  :-\

OKOK here's the deal.
This will be true of almost all students going straight from college to LS or who took only 1-2 years off in between (thus the born 1983 or after cutoff)

You DON'T need to fill out the parents part of FAFSA because the fed govt considers you independent.

But you DO have to fill out the parents part of Need Access because Access Group does not conisder you independent.

And you most likely have to pill out parents info on school-specific forms, depending on their policy.

I thought I said that ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on February 21, 2006, 05:44:35 PM
Just so you know, I made an NYU meetup thread...


link me!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 21, 2006, 05:47:35 PM
Just so you know, I made an NYU meetup thread...


link me!

http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/prelaw/index.php/topic,54833.0.html
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 21, 2006, 05:52:41 PM
But back on topic.... damnit Yale, you really need to just ding me already.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on February 21, 2006, 07:02:05 PM
 :D :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 21, 2006, 07:16:49 PM
it might help you at H or S but supposedly it would do you no good at Y because yale doesn't teach any law...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on February 21, 2006, 07:24:47 PM
it might help you at H or S but supposedly it would do you no good at Y because yale doesn't teach any law...

I'll let you in on a little secret...there are a *lot* of schools that don't :).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 21, 2006, 07:29:08 PM
it might help you at H or S but supposedly it would do you no good at Y because yale doesn't teach any law...

Yes, we just sit around the campfire all day and hold hands while Harold leads us in "kumbaya."
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 21, 2006, 07:43:17 PM
::passes stick and marshmellow to George Jefferson::  Here friend.  There's enough for all of us :).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on February 21, 2006, 07:46:39 PM
Indeed, friend.  We hope you will join us at Yale Love and Sharing. :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 21, 2006, 07:49:47 PM
When Yale dings me I'm going to have to console myself with a s'more.  Except that I don't have a gas stove, and bonfires are frowned upon in Boston, so I can't even make a s'more.   :'(  (And no, the microwave ones do not count.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 21, 2006, 07:54:22 PM
When Yale dings me I'm going to have to console myself with a s'more.  Except that I don't have a gas stove, and bonfires are frowned upon in Boston, so I can't even make a s'more.   :'(  (And no, the microwave ones do not count.)

i used to sit and make my own little roasted marshmallows by putting mini-marshmallows on toothpicks and using a match to roast them.  it was delicious.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 22, 2006, 01:09:35 AM
When Yale dings me I'm going to have to console myself with a s'more. Except that I don't have a gas stove, and bonfires are frowned upon in Boston, so I can't even make a s'more. :'( (And no, the microwave ones do not count.)

Or you could just console yourself with
1) your Yale acceptance
or
2) the knowledge that I'll be in Boston next month :-* ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 22, 2006, 01:20:20 AM
I meant that she's mistaken re: getting dinged. Duh. ::)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 22, 2006, 01:35:18 AM
CHEERIOS. Cheerios, dammit.
They're less orange.

Although, I do eat the all natural cheetos. You should try them. Then you wouldn't have to paint your controllers orange to avoid the finger-marks.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 22, 2006, 07:14:12 AM
ouch. 

i don't know if the hold is really a bad sign.  i'd be curious as to how many admits last year first got it.

Last year it wasn't a good sign, but many fewer people got it last year.  I think this year is a whole new ballgame, and the hold isn't a bad sign.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 22, 2006, 12:51:41 PM
You've just had your 2300 celebration. That makes you pretty prominent. ;)

I'm still shocked that I cracked 1k.   :o

I'm kind of surprised I'm not obsessed yet.  I've been here since April.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: asdf1234 on February 22, 2006, 01:26:23 PM
new random topic:

We all know Toby reads these threads (hi Toby!)

Does Meg Barnett?

If so, I'd like to note that I have a much lower post count than most of the posters in this thread.  This is because I am an active, well-balanced individual still committed to my schoolwork AND extracurriculars even though it is my last semester at college and I am already in law school.

Sounds like Yale material, hmmmmm???

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 22, 2006, 01:46:32 PM
When I started it was multitasking at work.  And then it became checking it once along with my email at night.  And then it became surfing the site for an hour in the evening instead of watching tv or reading.  And then it became two hours in the evening...  :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 22, 2006, 01:52:26 PM
(Well that, and I know if I keep calling my brother to obsess about law school, he'll drive up here solely to whack me upside the head. ;) )

That's also my primary motivation.  Except substitute "everyone I know" for "brother."
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 23, 2006, 07:33:20 AM
When I started it was multitasking at work.  And then it became checking it once along with my email at night.  And then it became surfing the site for an hour in the evening instead of watching tv or reading.  And then it became two hours in the evening...  :-\

i am dying of laughter at this. 

that's all.  carry on.

Ok, you need to stop screwing with my head, swats.   >:(

I was very confused.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 23, 2006, 08:37:30 AM
yeah Watson, you better cut it out, or else I'll call you the embodiment of evil in its purest form >:(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on February 23, 2006, 11:09:23 AM
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=jillyan

Calls started again?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on February 23, 2006, 11:18:23 AM
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=jillyan

Calls started again?

I think so - my friend just got called with an acceptance on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 23, 2006, 11:52:33 AM
Oof...and so the paranoia with phone calls begins anew. Who am I kidding. I'm heading for a ding.

Gahhh!  Oh, so ditto.

Ring, phone, ring!

Wow.  I need to get a life like nobody's business.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 23, 2006, 11:56:40 AM
Oof...and so the paranoia with phone calls begins anew. Who am I kidding. I'm heading for a ding.

Gahhh!  Oh, so ditto.

Ring, phone, ring!

Wow.  I need to get a life like nobody's business.

who needs a life when you have LSD?  not me, i tell you...not me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 23, 2006, 11:56:54 AM
Well if this whole NHSoL thing doesn't work for us we could always get a career reenacting scenes from the Princess Bride. Maybe people will pay us to stop.  ;D

That would be great!   ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 23, 2006, 12:00:39 PM
Also (yeah, I'm double posting, that's how obsessed I am) I really hope I'm in the same batch as jillyan.  If they do it by when you submit I should be.  That way I'll get my nice thin rejection letter by the time I'm home from looking at CLS and NYU, and I can actually have my decision (mostly) made.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: sea dream on February 23, 2006, 12:02:10 PM
I need to sleep, but i'm having trouble falling asleep despite being tired as hell. i keep refreshing this thread in the hopes of seeing some acceptances (betting on Su's!)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 23, 2006, 12:08:44 PM
Are you going to admitted student days for CLS? I haven't RSVP'd because the friend housing me for NYU days can't house me for CLS days...hmmm just thought of someone else...but I'm pretty sure it's too late to RSVP.

Yup.  I splurged on a cheap (by NYC standards) hotel for three nights 'cause I hate imposing on people who aren't close friends, and I don't currently have any close friends in NYC.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 23, 2006, 12:17:59 PM
*nods*

That makes sense. I'll check in with a couple other peeps then see if it's too late to register, but I'll most likely just go to the one in April...but that means I probably won't go to Chicago's admit weekend... :-\  oof...It's not just the plane ticket, it's also getting the time off work.

Yeah, I know the feeling.  This is the first self-scheduled week I've had off in the last 14 months (we got an automatic week off for Xmas).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 23, 2006, 12:27:59 PM
Week off for Christmas is nice! I took a week to go visit my folks but that was the first time I'd taken more than 2 days off in 2 and a half years!!!

Yeah, I was really excited.  I love working for a college.

Except that, y'know, I hate my job.   :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 23, 2006, 07:23:49 PM
Do HYS admit weekends all overlap in April?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 23, 2006, 07:47:18 PM
Do HYS admit weekends all overlap in April?

Y's is April 9-10th. It's not a "weekend" really, its Sun-Mon, so maybe it doesn't overlap w/the rest of the trinity...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on February 23, 2006, 08:24:07 PM
H is 8-10...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 23, 2006, 10:21:59 PM
H is 8 to 10, but mostly 9 and 10 for the good stuff, Y is 9 and 10, S is like...7 to 9 or something.  I forget cause I withdrew...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Admissions on February 24, 2006, 01:10:36 AM
Dear The Dread Pirate (as you named youself in this blog):

Please be advised that a decision has been made and you will be notified of it in the coming three weeks. While your stats and personal stories are typical of other applicants, we have found a merit in considering two aspects of your application materials that appeared to be a bit above average in comparison with other applicants from your undergraduate college and other applicants; those qualities are your stated objective in public interest practices and your observed plight towards achieving social justice.

We have admitted atleast one student from your undergraduate college and there are six applicants from the institution thus far, and at this point, we have made decisions on two applications, including yours. Although I cannot inform you the nature of the decision reached at this point, I would like to stress the significance of a little more patience and optimism on your part.

Congratulations on your achievements thus far.
Thank you for your continued interest. Our website can offer you information regarding our admission process.
Thank you once again.
Admissions
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Admissions on February 24, 2006, 01:20:43 AM
Well, the entire application process is to be conducted in such a way that fairness and hoilstic-approaches are integral parts of our admission process. Since such considerations are time-taking, applicants are advised to be as patient as possible.
Thank you!
Admissions
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 24, 2006, 07:54:14 AM
Aaaggghhh! They're watching me!   :o  I'm sorry!  I promise I'll be patient, Yale!  Please don't hurt me!

And anybody could know where I undergraded.  I'm utterly non-secretive about, well, pretty much everything.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 24, 2006, 07:58:57 AM
Aaaggghhh! They're watching me!   :o  I'm sorry!  I promise I'll be patient, Yale!  Please don't hurt me!

And anybody could know where I undergraded.  I'm utterly non-secretive about, well, pretty much everything.

That's my point. :)  If the guy doesn't know, it's some newbie troll who hasn't really spent any time here.

Well, that and it would have made it a semi-decent schtick.

They might have known and just figured it'd be rude to post it openly.  Even though I have.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on February 24, 2006, 02:52:02 PM
Dear The Dread Pirate (as you named youself in this blog):

Please be advised that a decision has been made and you will be notified of it in the coming three weeks. While your stats and personal stories are typical of other applicants, we have found a merit in considering two aspects of your application materials that appeared to be a bit above average in comparison with other applicants from your undergraduate college and other applicants; those qualities are your stated objective in public interest practices and your observed plight towards achieving social justice.

We have admitted atleast one student from your undergraduate college and there are six applicants from the institution thus far, and at this point, we have made decisions on two applications, including yours. Although I cannot inform you the nature of the decision reached at this point, I would like to stress the significance of a little more patience and optimism on your part.

Congratulations on your achievements thus far.
Thank you for your continued interest. Our website can offer you information regarding our admission process.
Thank you once again.
Admissions
Well, the entire application process is to be conducted in such a way that fairness and hoilstic-approaches are integral parts of our admission process. Since such considerations are time-taking, applicants are advised to be as patient as possible.
Thank you!
Admissions

well, with a better name and a better grasp of the english language it may have worked...as it is, i don't think yale admissions would have incorrect word usage such as "your observed plight towards achieving social justice" and "time-taking" (rather than time consuming).

jsia  ::)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on February 24, 2006, 02:56:49 PM
look i'm infuriated with yale. Hey Admissions, why not send me a binder. Yeah, its all online and its all gravvy, but I want something in my mailbox! >:( >:( >:( >:(

I love you Yale! Really I do...please mail me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on February 24, 2006, 03:17:25 PM
look i'm infuriated with yale. Hey Admissions, why not send me a binder. Yeah, its all online and its all gravvy, but I want something in my mailbox! >:( >:( >:( >:(

I love you Yale! Really I do...please mail me.

cosigned
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 24, 2006, 06:57:26 PM
BIG, where were you when I was writing my PS and optional essays?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 25, 2006, 12:54:57 AM
BIG, where were you when I was writing my PS and optional essays?

do you speak with an australian accent?


That was random.

Yes. Why?
(Sometimes I don't because I don't want to talk about Australia. So I deliberately sound American when I'm at school, at the store, on the phone with f-ing cingular, etc)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 25, 2006, 07:49:45 AM
look i'm infuriated with yale. Hey Admissions, why not send me a binder. Yeah, its all online and its all gravvy, but I want something in my mailbox! >:( >:( >:( >:(

I love you Yale! Really I do...please mail me.

cosigned

ditto
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: veg on February 25, 2006, 08:58:59 AM
curiosity.

the other day you explained what veg stood for. i never knew what vegemite was before.


Ahh. :)
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 25, 2006, 09:13:32 AM
look i'm infuriated with yale. Hey Admissions, why not send me a binder. Yeah, its all online and its all gravvy, but I want something in my mailbox! >:( >:( >:( >:(

I love you Yale! Really I do...please mail me.

cosigned

Hell, count your blessings.  I'd be happy if they sent me a paper napkin saying I could go there.   :P
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 25, 2006, 06:48:41 PM
Hell, count your blessings.  I'd be happy if they sent me a paper napkin saying I could go there.   :P

Hell, I'm just happy to be free of this thread.  :D

And yet, you are not really free from it. When you are old and nearing death, say in about 20 years, you will spend your days rocking back and forth in your chair, in a cold sweat, eyes glazed over, wearing a torn Yale shirt you stole from some poor guy years before, muttering to yourself "Yale...Yale...why...why...why?!?!"
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 25, 2006, 07:10:53 PM
Hell, count your blessings.  I'd be happy if they sent me a paper napkin saying I could go there.   :P

Hell, I'm just happy to be free of this thread.  :D

And yet, you are not really free from it. When you are old and nearing death, say in about 20 years, you will spend your days rocking back and forth in your chair, in a cold sweat, eyes glazed over, wearing a torn Yale shirt you stole from some poor guy years before, muttering to yourself "Yale...Yale...why...why...why?!?!"

nah....  :D

i think it's fair to say that i've partially dug myself out of a hole, and all i have to do is continuing digging myself out.  ;)

I'd rather dig that hole a little deeper...and throw you in.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 25, 2006, 07:47:11 PM
Hell, count your blessings.  I'd be happy if they sent me a paper napkin saying I could go there.   :P

Hell, I'm just happy to be free of this thread.  :D

And yet, you are not really free from it. When you are old and nearing death, say in about 20 years, you will spend your days rocking back and forth in your chair, in a cold sweat, eyes glazed over, wearing a torn Yale shirt you stole from some poor guy years before, muttering to yourself "Yale...Yale...why...why...why?!?!"

nah....  :D

i think it's fair to say that i've partially dug myself out of a hole, and all i have to do is continuing digging myself out.  ;)

I'd rather dig that hole a little deeper...and throw you in.

that's not nice.  :(

The law isn't meant to be nice.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 25, 2006, 08:55:54 PM
Dread Judge Dredd is definitely the funniest of the Dread personas.

I literally LOL'ed.

No one laughs at Judge Dredd!

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 26, 2006, 09:13:20 AM
Hell, count your blessings.  I'd be happy if they sent me a paper napkin saying I could go there.   :P

Hell, I'm just happy to be free of this thread.  :D

Soon I will be too, with any luck.  Or, um, kind of luck.   :-\

And I prefer the Dread Justice Roberts, myself.   :D  Esp. the 'tar.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 26, 2006, 04:31:12 PM
Hell, count your blessings.  I'd be happy if they sent me a paper napkin saying I could go there.   :P

Hell, I'm just happy to be free of this thread.  :D

Soon I will be too, with any luck.  Or, um, kind of luck.   :-\

And I prefer the Dread Justice Roberts, myself.   :D  Esp. the 'tar.

with any luck, you will soon be in the obsessing-over-when-they'll-send-me-my-binder thread.  ;)

and i thought you might get a kick out of it.  :D

is there such a thread?!?!?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 26, 2006, 05:55:55 PM
Hell, count your blessings.  I'd be happy if they sent me a paper napkin saying I could go there.   :P

Hell, I'm just happy to be free of this thread.  :D

Soon I will be too, with any luck.  Or, um, kind of luck.   :-\

And I prefer the Dread Justice Roberts, myself.   :D  Esp. the 'tar.

with any luck, you will soon be in the obsessing-over-when-they'll-send-me-my-binder thread.  ;)

and i thought you might get a kick out of it.  :D

is there such a thread?!?!?

i don't know silly, i never got that far.  :D


sorry justice roberts :(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 26, 2006, 07:56:09 PM
actually, since you're now Justice Roberts, that's up for debate  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 26, 2006, 08:01:44 PM
actually, since you're now Justice Roberts, that's up for debate  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

next week i shall be The Dread Justice Scalia.  ;)

DO IT!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 26, 2006, 09:39:45 PM
actually, since you're now Justice Roberts, that's up for debate  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

next week i shall be The Dread Justice Scalia.  ;)

oh my GOODNESS, I will totally rescind all of my statements that you are not the embodiment of evil in its purest form.

I'm not kidding, Watson. If you do it, I'll take 'em all back.

 :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 26, 2006, 09:48:08 PM
oh it will, and to see scalia with that mask on...I'd pay good money to see that  ;D

But my warning still stands. I will issue a permanent declaration that you are, in fact, the embodiment of evil in its purest form  :D

and from that point on, whenever something sad happens to you...I won't be able to say "Well, Stan, if it makes you feel any better... :D"


and that would just be...sad... :'(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 26, 2006, 10:09:11 PM
oh it will, and to see scalia with that mask on...I'd pay good money to see that  ;D

But my warning still stands. I will issue a permanent declaration that you are, in fact, the embodiment of evil in its purest form  :D

and from that point on, whenever something sad happens to you...I won't be able to say "Well, Stan, if it makes you feel any better... :D"


and that would just be...sad... :'(

so you would pay money to see me become the embodiment of evil in its purest form?  :(

note the bold part of the quote :)

I'd pay money to see Scalia with that mask on...not necessarily in your tar, though, which obviously would thrust you directly into the pile of humanity labeled "those who embody evil in its purest form"

if it makes you feel any better stan, *for now*, ...  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 27, 2006, 08:29:13 AM
I would pay good money to see that, too.  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on February 27, 2006, 08:44:30 AM
if it makes you feel any better stan, *for now*, ...  :D

i liked it better without the conditional.  :D

well now that the granite is back, I take back the conditional  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Sign on February 27, 2006, 09:12:36 AM
Did you start preparing for law school?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on February 27, 2006, 10:07:28 AM
In case you didn't notice, whatalurker from LSN (and sometimes LSD) got into Yale this morning.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 27, 2006, 10:09:06 AM
In case you didn't notice, whatalurker from LSN (and sometimes LSD) got into Yale this morning.

It's caused me to spend the last half hour nervously glancing at my cell every 30 seconds.   :-\  Not that I actually expect a call.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: asdf1234 on February 27, 2006, 12:29:28 PM

just wanted to stop in for a little between-classes obsession

*obsess obsess obsess*

obsess on...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on February 27, 2006, 12:37:32 PM
In case you didn't notice, whatalurker from LSN (and sometimes LSD) got into Yale this morning.

It's caused me to spend the last half hour nervously glancing at my cell every 30 seconds.   :-\  Not that I actually expect a call.

From this point on, I will work under the assumption that you are, in fact, scotty, unless proof to the contrary is provided.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ghaleon on February 27, 2006, 12:45:38 PM
In case you didn't notice, whatalurker from LSN (and sometimes LSD) got into Yale this morning.

Wow, isn't that the first acceptance in like a month and a half? Is a new wave coming?  :o
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on February 27, 2006, 12:46:37 PM
In case you didn't notice, whatalurker from LSN (and sometimes LSD) got into Yale this morning.

It's caused me to spend the last half hour nervously glancing at my cell every 30 seconds.   :-\  Not that I actually expect a call.

From this point on, I will work under the assumption that you are, in fact, scotty, unless proof to the contrary is provided.

It's pretty easy to keep track of who everyone is, really.  Just find a thread that you know I started (like, y'know, this one) and check who's listed as the person who started the thread.

And Ghaleon, there was another new acceptance last week, but it's mistakenly listed as 2005.  Jillyan, or something like that.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bettingonchina on March 02, 2006, 10:01:48 PM
Does anybody (admitted or not) want to talk about what they wrote in their PS or 250 worder?  I just think it'd be cool to see what people our age who are trying for the best school in the nation are thinking about doing with thier lives, or even just where they are coming from.  You know, get a low down on what our generation is going to turn out like...

250 word: Why I think studying languages has been the best use of my time in UG.

PS: I wrote about what I want to study at Yale, which is International Environmental Law and China.  I'm looking towards doing a PhD (E. Management) at the same time as my JD, but I'll probably be denied based upon my numbers...I won't stop kissing my St. Christopher's medallion until they tell me to, though...Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on March 02, 2006, 10:05:09 PM
Does anybody (admitted or not) want to talk about what they wrote in their PS or 250 worder?  I just think it'd be cool to see what people our age who are trying for the best school in the nation are thinking about doing with thier lives, or even just where they are coming from.  You know, get a low down on what our generation is going to turn out like...

250 word: Why I think studying languages has been the best use of my time in UG.

PS: I wrote about what I want to study at Yale, which is International Environmental Law and China.  I'm looking towards doing a PhD (E. Management) at the same time as my JD, but I'll probably be denied based upon my numbers...I won't stop kissing my St. Christopher's medallion until they tell me to, though...Good luck everyone.

I wrote my 250 on my views of spiraling decline of the American secondary school system, and how imperative it is that we reverse this situation, before intellectual monsters (India/China rip us to shreads figuratively speaking)...clearly it sucked because I got dinged...oh well
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 02, 2006, 10:07:38 PM
It's been pointed out to me, by someone who read my 250, that it was about the Original Sin. I hadn't thought of it that way at the time, but he is dead right.

My personal statement was about me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 02, 2006, 10:18:06 PM
i approve of new tar. 

Got bored with the other one
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 02, 2006, 10:20:39 PM
i approve of new tar. 

Got bored with the other one

You're beautiful!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 02, 2006, 10:29:25 PM
i approve of new tar. 

Got bored with the other one

of course you realize that now you're just going to have to start listing your flaws.

also, you're up late.

also, i'm out for a bit.  catch you later.

Okay. See you.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 02, 2006, 10:29:59 PM
i approve of new tar. 

Got bored with the other one

You're beautiful!

So are you  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 02, 2006, 11:51:36 PM
i approve of new tar. 

Got bored with the other one

You're beautiful!

So are you  ;)

Marry me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 03, 2006, 12:26:38 AM
You objectify them for your own selfish use (not that there’s anything wrong with that…per se).

not really.  they both know that i'm clearly kidding.  i don't get why that's "I-It."

WTF is I-It?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 03, 2006, 12:33:56 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buber#I-Thou_and_I-It
i don't get philosophy.  i'm not a very deep person.

Objectify me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: almuhajaba on March 03, 2006, 12:34:19 AM
i don't get philosophy.  i'm not a very deep person.

that's too bad. Well, if it makes you feel any better...


also,  8)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 08, 2006, 07:52:19 AM
Bump.

Just reject me already, will you?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 08, 2006, 07:54:19 AM
not to hijack the thread, but did anyone else get the last-minute invite to the on-line chat?  and are you participating?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 08, 2006, 07:55:57 AM
not to hijack the thread, but did anyone else get the last-minute invite to the on-line chat?  and are you participating?

I got it, which is sort of why my head is back in the Yale Obsession space.  And I'll be going if I can do so without my boss noticing.  (It's during my lunch break, so it should be ok, but she doesn't know I'm going to law school yet, so if it says YALE LAW SCHOOL in big letters I may not be able to stay.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 08, 2006, 07:56:36 AM
Bump.

Just reject me already, will you?

Would you like me to send you my Harvard rejection and write Yale on the top of it for you?  :D

Nah... I think I might see through the deception.  I just really need closure.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JaimeNina on March 08, 2006, 11:15:11 AM
not to hijack the thread, but did anyone else get the last-minute invite to the on-line chat?  and are you participating?

I got it, which is sort of why my head is back in the Yale Obsession space.  And I'll be going if I can do so without my boss noticing.  (It's during my lunch break, so it should be ok, but she doesn't know I'm going to law school yet, so if it says YALE LAW SCHOOL in big letters I may not be able to stay.)

You mean like how LSD says LAW SCHOOL DISCUSSION in a giant red banner accross the top? How have you managed to keep that under wraps?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: vrm083 on March 08, 2006, 11:31:47 AM
So, apparently a post-1/1 complete got accepted yesterday.  And thus my personal freak out begins.  Hooray.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 08, 2006, 11:39:30 AM
not to hijack the thread, but did anyone else get the last-minute invite to the on-line chat?  and are you participating?

I got it, which is sort of why my head is back in the Yale Obsession space.  And I'll be going if I can do so without my boss noticing.  (It's during my lunch break, so it should be ok, but she doesn't know I'm going to law school yet, so if it says YALE LAW SCHOOL in big letters I may not be able to stay.)

You mean like how LSD says LAW SCHOOL DISCUSSION in a giant red banner accross the top? How have you managed to keep that under wraps?

My boss goes to a lot of meetings.  I mostly only post when she's out of the office.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on March 08, 2006, 12:34:28 PM
Yale definitely seems to be in go mode.  Everyone else shares your stomach butterflies.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on March 08, 2006, 01:56:41 PM
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=NicholasW
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 08, 2006, 02:05:05 PM
 :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\

I'm really afraid I'm going to move and my rejection letter is going to be permenantly in limbo.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ghaleon on March 08, 2006, 02:07:34 PM
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=NicholasW

Hmmm... those numbers look familiar. Wanna accept his twin, Yale?  :-*
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 08, 2006, 02:16:56 PM
They've now admitted two people with reasonable sub 25%. (I'm guessing that the 3.2 and the 3.23 are either flame or extra super duper extraordinary in some other way)

So... that's... nice?

Ugh.   :-\  >:(

I need to stop this.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 08, 2006, 04:13:25 PM
That trstn007 account must be a flame. Her/His attitude is off all the way around. I believe that the other one is genuine.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on March 08, 2006, 11:49:02 PM
I'm thinking it's going to be Pancho with the Sweep!

Thank you for the kind words, but I'll certainly accept a .333 average from HYS :D.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: sea dream on March 09, 2006, 06:49:39 AM
you guys can stay on the waitlist for 2.5 years like the one guy on Michigan's waitlist!
Title: Re: HI SU!!!!
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 09, 2006, 08:33:59 AM
good lord, i am never going to get this out of my unreads.

while i'm here, i would like to inform all you yale-obsessed people that it is positively wonderful to be free of the yale obsession.  oh the freedom!

okay, that's it.  bye now!

Stanley, did you say YALE and not NHSoL?
Title: Re: HI SU!!!!
Post by: The Poster on March 09, 2006, 08:48:14 AM
good lord, i am never going to get this out of my unreads.

while i'm here, i would like to inform all you yale-obsessed people that it is positively wonderful to be free of the yale obsession.  oh the freedom!

okay, that's it.  bye now!

Stanley, did you say YALE and not NHSoL?

He can say it now that they are out of the game. :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on March 09, 2006, 12:48:38 PM
Uh...oh...

As per our own rejection thread...

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=MalReyn

MalReyn got dinged with a 172, 3.78, but...

He was complete 2/9!

This could be a long weekend.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 09, 2006, 12:59:46 PM
God I hope I have one waiting for me at home.

Today's chat honestly has me entertaining quasi-serious thoughts of withdrawing.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on March 09, 2006, 01:03:25 PM
God I hope I have one waiting for me at home.

Today's chat honestly has me entertaining quasi-serious thoughts of withdrawing.

It was that bad? Why?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on March 09, 2006, 01:12:30 PM
i didn't think it was that bad (with a few exceptions i laughed at on the yale chat thread).
Everyone wants to be ultra-polite, but the admins impressed me by staying late to answer everything.
the only horrible ass kissing was... well, ok, so there was a bit of it, but i don't blame yale for it
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on March 09, 2006, 01:16:23 PM
Su - why withdraw? you will totally get in.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 09, 2006, 01:22:11 PM
Su - why withdraw? you will totally get in.

Based on the statistics I probably won't.  But regardless, I'm just getting increasingly negative feelings about the whole thing.  It isn't even that I think there's something that Yale should do that they aren't, it's just a really negative vibe.

The phrase "high and mighty" comes to mind, as does the phrase "intellectual elitism."  But I think that's just me venting because I've got a lot of stress in my life at the moment and I just want to be done with the whole law school application thing.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Kansas on March 09, 2006, 02:13:52 PM
Su - why withdraw? you will totally get in.

Based on the statistics I probably won't.  But regardless, I'm just getting increasingly negative feelings about the whole thing.  It isn't even that I think there's something that Yale should do that they aren't, it's just a really negative vibe.

The phrase "high and mighty" comes to mind, as does the phrase "intellectual elitism."  But I think that's just me venting because I've got a lot of stress in my life at the moment and I just want to be done with the whole law school application thing.

Don't withdraw! Just try to put it in the back of your mind (haha) and stick it out. You can do it!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: vrm083 on March 09, 2006, 02:23:38 PM
I hate that I'm abandoning my mailbox for 10 whole days just as the rejection floodgates are about to open (I think).  Then again, at least my spring break won't be ruined. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: MalReyn on March 09, 2006, 02:33:02 PM
Uh...oh...

As per our own rejection thread...

http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=MalReyn

MalReyn got dinged with a 172, 3.78, but...

He was complete 2/9!

This could be a long weekend.

Yep. Looks like I was the lucky first in the newest wave of rejections. It's been a long day. Also got into Columbia (via e-mail, a surprise), and lost the summer job I had thought I had all lined up. Quite up and down.

Oh well... bye-bye dreams of Yale.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: caldonia on March 09, 2006, 02:49:33 PM
Su - why withdraw? you will totally get in.

Based on the statistics I probably won't.  But regardless, I'm just getting increasingly negative feelings about the whole thing.  It isn't even that I think there's something that Yale should do that they aren't, it's just a really negative vibe.

The phrase "high and mighty" comes to mind, as does the phrase "intellectual elitism."  But I think that's just me venting because I've got a lot of stress in my life at the moment and I just want to be done with the whole law school application thing.

Don't withdraw.  I'm still waiting too. . .  Although I do admit it can be hard to keep the obsession going and avoid bitterness.  But I'll hold on to my obsession, just in case.  Statistics don't matter to me at all as long as I've got any shot at being one of the rare cases that gets in.  Most of us are already in the homestretch of the app process with really good prospects.  The way I see it, I either have more options & a harder decision or an easier decision with still great options.  I'd rather get a ding than to never know that I could've gotten in.

keep hope alive

and so concludes my daily soapbox.


see you at hls
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 09, 2006, 03:48:47 PM
Su - why withdraw? you will totally get in.

Based on the statistics I probably won't.  But regardless, I'm just getting increasingly negative feelings about the whole thing.  It isn't even that I think there's something that Yale should do that they aren't, it's just a really negative vibe.

The phrase "high and mighty" comes to mind, as does the phrase "intellectual elitism."  But I think that's just me venting because I've got a lot of stress in my life at the moment and I just want to be done with the whole law school application thing.

Don't withdraw.  I'm still waiting too. . .  Although I do admit it can be hard to keep the obsession going and avoid bitterness.  But I'll hold on to my obsession, just in case.  Statistics don't matter to me at all as long as I've got any shot at being one of the rare cases that gets in.  Most of us are already in the homestretch of the app process with really good prospects.  The way I see it, I either have more options & a harder decision or an easier decision with still great options.  I'd rather get a ding than to never know that I could've gotten in.

keep hope alive
 


with that, Jesse Jackson sheds a tear.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: MalReyn on March 09, 2006, 05:15:47 PM
got into Columbia

Congratulations!

Thanks. While the Yale rejection put a damper on it, I admit I'm ecstatic I got into Columbia.... I was starting to get nervous.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: caldonia on March 09, 2006, 10:24:08 PM

keep hope alive
 


with that, Jesse Jackson sheds a tear.

Okay mr. cynic.  Who are you and what have you done w/ jg?  Where is the kumbayah man that would simply insist, "Don't worry, you're getting in." ?  Or is this just jg's yalie alter ego finally kicking in?   :-\
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 09, 2006, 10:26:51 PM

keep hope alive
 


with that, Jesse Jackson sheds a tear.

Okay mr. cynic.  Who are you and what have you done w/ jg?  Where is the kumbayah man that would simply insist, "Don't worry, you're getting in." ?  Or is this just jg's yalie alter ego finally kicking in?   :-\

hahaha, obviously I think you're getting in. You're a superstar! I just laugh anytime someone says "Keep hope alive."
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: caldonia on March 09, 2006, 10:31:28 PM
same here.  I'm just gonna give you a hard time til you bring kobe back.  Also, I figure with your results this cycle, you might be getting too used to superstar treatment so I think, as a friend, I owe it to you to keep you humble- so you should thank me.

Bring Kobe Back!!
Bring Kobe Back!!
Bring Kobe Back!!
(I'm clearly due for a rally/political gathering of some sort)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 10, 2006, 06:03:40 AM
I'm just gonna give you a hard time til you bring kobe back. 

I'm just gonna give you a hard time if you bring kobe back. 

bastards ;). I can't win.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on March 10, 2006, 09:12:46 AM
I'm just gonna give you a hard time til you bring kobe back. 

I'm just gonna give you a hard time if you bring kobe back. 

bastards ;). I can't win.


Oh you know you're a winner.  Esp. since ditching the Kobe avatar.    :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 10, 2006, 09:26:15 AM
hey JG i think its racist that you took down kobe's icon  :P
Title: Re: HI SU!!!!
Post by: fatcat on March 10, 2006, 10:32:59 AM
Stanley, did you say YALE and not NHSoL?

that came to an end when my obsession ended.  ;)

Right, but I'm making the leap that if I had the power to pull back your rejection, I'd probably have the power to get myself accepted and hence end my obsession...  :-\

hmmm, i suppose getting me unrejected would probably take more doing than getting yourself accepted...  :)

That is not what I was trying to say  >:(

js that if I had the power to toy with applications, I'd ding the a$$ kissers at the chat yesterday, get myself, Su, and Lily admitted, and recall your app from the dead and get you admitted. 

Sadly, I have no power.

what did the "a$$ kissers" say at the chat? from the repeat mentions, it seems like they were pretty annoying... anyone wanna fill me in or is it too annoying to discuss in detail?
Title: Re: HI SU!!!!
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 10, 2006, 10:37:53 AM
what did the "a$$ kissers" say at the chat? from the repeat mentions, it seems like they were pretty annoying... anyone wanna fill me in or is it too annoying to discuss in detail?

To my mind it was just a lot of questions that could have been easily answered from a quick look at the website, asked only so as to have asked something.

And the guy who says he translates poetry into some obscure language (I think; I ddin't recognize it) for fun.   ???
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: caldonia on March 10, 2006, 01:38:44 PM
I'm just gonna give you a hard time til you bring kobe back. 

I'm just gonna give you a hard time if you bring kobe back. 

bastards ;). I can't win.

Don't worry about it.  good guys finish last.  ;)  And with that, I guess we better get off this subject before more haters come out of the cracks.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: badmammajamma on March 10, 2006, 01:46:52 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on March 10, 2006, 03:47:03 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?

i actually thought they were pretty generous...  ???
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on March 10, 2006, 04:31:45 PM
yale rejection today. consider yourselves warned.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on March 10, 2006, 04:40:16 PM
*hugs*

thanks :) *hugs*

and tonights meetup has fallen through too. blah!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on March 10, 2006, 07:10:22 PM
yale rejection today. consider yourselves warned.

Blah--I'm sorry, DW (you are DW, right?).  So where do you think you're heading at this point?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 10, 2006, 07:12:43 PM
yale rejection today. consider yourselves warned.

That sucks. Sorry.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on March 10, 2006, 07:16:40 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?


I felt exactly the same way!  I didn't get *nothing*--but I felt a bit dazed by it and then nauseated for a good portion of the afternoon.  I guess this is exactly what people are talking about when they say how scary it is to buy a house.  

Is Yale the most expensive, though?  I think Stanford & Harvard will be similar, but we can keep each other posted--I haven't heard from either one yet.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on March 10, 2006, 07:50:35 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?


I felt exactly the same way!  I didn't get *nothing*--but I felt a bit dazed by it and then nauseated for a good portion of the afternoon.  I guess this is exactly what people are talking about when they say how scary it is to buy a house. 

Is Yale the most expensive, though?  I think Stanford & Harvard will be similar, but we can keep each other posted--I haven't heard from either one yet.


I saw an international student on LSN that received like $25,000 in grants.  That can't be normal, can it?  I don't have the link handy, but she/he is a 4.1/173 or something like that (not bloomich).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on March 10, 2006, 08:08:57 PM
I have not gotten an award letter, but I have not submitted all of my financial stuff yet either!

I better get to that!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 10, 2006, 08:54:37 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?


I felt exactly the same way!  I didn't get *nothing*--but I felt a bit dazed by it and then nauseated for a good portion of the afternoon.  I guess this is exactly what people are talking about when they say how scary it is to buy a house. 

Is Yale the most expensive, though?  I think Stanford & Harvard will be similar, but we can keep each other posted--I haven't heard from either one yet.


Yale is the most expensive, but also the most generous with finaid.  So if you got nothing from Yale, you will probably also get nothing from H and (especially) S.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 10, 2006, 08:56:18 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?


I felt exactly the same way!  I didn't get *nothing*--but I felt a bit dazed by it and then nauseated for a good portion of the afternoon.  I guess this is exactly what people are talking about when they say how scary it is to buy a house. 

Is Yale the most expensive, though?  I think Stanford & Harvard will be similar, but we can keep each other posted--I haven't heard from either one yet.


I saw an international student on LSN that received like $25,000 in grants.  That can't be normal, can it?  I don't have the link handy, but she/he is a 4.1/173 or something like that (not bloomich).

That's possible.  But finaid isn't based on numbers.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 10, 2006, 09:14:00 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?


I felt exactly the same way!  I didn't get *nothing*--but I felt a bit dazed by it and then nauseated for a good portion of the afternoon.  I guess this is exactly what people are talking about when they say how scary it is to buy a house. 

Is Yale the most expensive, though?  I think Stanford & Harvard will be similar, but we can keep each other posted--I haven't heard from either one yet.


I saw an international student on LSN that received like $25,000 in grants.  That can't be normal, can it?  I don't have the link handy, but she/he is a 4.1/173 or something like that (not bloomich).

I got offered about 20. But then, I'm a poor.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on March 10, 2006, 11:11:18 PM
Did you guys get your "Award letters"?
Not that I expected anything different, but reality hits hard when you see that you're not getting a penny. Not a freakin' penny.
The only way I can stomach it is to place the letter out of sight and mind and think "return on investment, return on investment..."
I guess this post should go on the financial aid board, but I'm referring specifically to the enormous cost of attending Yale. Is it the most expensive school of all?


I felt exactly the same way!  I didn't get *nothing*--but I felt a bit dazed by it and then nauseated for a good portion of the afternoon.  I guess this is exactly what people are talking about when they say how scary it is to buy a house. 

Is Yale the most expensive, though?  I think Stanford & Harvard will be similar, but we can keep each other posted--I haven't heard from either one yet.


I saw an international student on LSN that received like $25,000 in grants.  That can't be normal, can it?  I don't have the link handy, but she/he is a 4.1/173 or something like that (not bloomich).

That's possible.  But finaid isn't based on numbers.

Yeah, I know.  I was just IDing the LSN user in case folks wanted to search for him/her. 

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 11, 2006, 08:13:59 AM
yale offered me a fee waiver for some weird reason.  my numbers are *&^%, and i'm an old fart to boot.  yeah, i have 29 years work experience, and a pretty impressive resume, and i write well, but still....

looking on lsn, people who have gone complete after me have been rejected already.  i know there is no way in hell i'm getting in, i'm not only an autoreject, i'm the spot on the carpet underneath the last autoreject's shoes.

i just wish i would get the letter.  false hope is a female dog.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on March 11, 2006, 09:56:41 AM
yale offered me a fee waiver for some weird reason.  my numbers are sh*t, and i'm an old fart to boot.  yeah, i have 29 years work experience, and a pretty impressive resume, and i write well, but still....

looking on lsn, people who have gone complete after me have been rejected already.  i know there is no way in hell i'm getting in, i'm not only an autoreject, i'm the spot on the carpet underneath the last autoreject's shoes.

i just wish i would get the letter.  false hope is a female dog.

Aren't you only in your late 30s or something? Early 40s? I don't think you are much older than that...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 11, 2006, 10:03:24 AM


Aren't you only in your late 30s or something? Early 40s? I don't think you are much older than that...

i knew i liked you for a reason.  ;D

i turned 46 in february
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Poster on March 11, 2006, 10:09:05 AM


Aren't you only in your late 30s or something? Early 40s? I don't think you are much older than that...

i knew i liked you for a reason.  ;D

i turned 46 in february

 :D Cool.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on March 11, 2006, 10:31:55 AM
I got $8500 in grants by e-mail PDF from the financial aid office today.  Mom's a doctor and sole bread-winner and dad's a single professor.  Not too shabby, but sucky that I'll have to make-up almost $20k in expected parental contribution with private loans.

VL--are these numbers all per year or total?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on March 11, 2006, 02:12:00 PM
Ding - done with the Yale Obsession.

My first one; it stings.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on March 11, 2006, 03:06:21 PM
I got $8500 in grants by e-mail PDF from the financial aid office today.  Mom's a doctor and sole bread-winner and dad's a single professor.  Not too shabby, but sucky that I'll have to make-up almost $20k in expected parental contribution with private loans.

VL--are these numbers all per year or total?

that's for this year.  You do finaid every year and every year you get a different offer depending on how your circumstances change.  So for this year I've got an 8500 grant, but that could go up or down next year.

I never want to do Needaccess again.

That is all.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on March 11, 2006, 03:07:19 PM
I got $8500 in grants by e-mail PDF from the financial aid office today.  Mom's a doctor and sole bread-winner and dad's a single professor.  Not too shabby, but sucky that I'll have to make-up almost $20k in expected parental contribution with private loans.

VL--are these numbers all per year or total?

that's for this year.  You do finaid every year and every year you get a different offer depending on how your circumstances change.  So for this year I've got an 8500 grant, but that could go up or down next year.

I never want to do Needaccess again.

That is all.

Total agreement here. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: badmammajamma on March 12, 2006, 03:33:57 PM
Veeleigh:
Your Mom's a doctor and you still got that 8500? That surprises me because my dad makes good money, but not off the charts...and I am dead broke and married...and we got no love.
I got 8500 in unsub loans, but that's not what you are referring to, right?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: getinsomewhere on March 12, 2006, 04:53:05 PM
Ding - done with the Yale Obsession.

My first one; it stings.

sorry somewhere.

come to columbia, we can commiserate together about our gpas keeping us out of yale.

It looks likely at this point.  I have to visit Chicago and then Columbia again to be sure.  I am actually very stoked about both places (though I've always had this awe for Columbia, in particular).

I feel like such an ass complaining about getting dinged from Yale when Columbia is the back up at the moment.

Heres to bad GPAs.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on March 12, 2006, 08:07:25 PM
Veeleigh:
Your Mom's a doctor and you still got that 8500? That surprises me because my dad makes good money, but not off the charts...and I am dead broke and married...and we got no love.
I got 8500 in unsub loans, but that's not what you are referring to, right?

It seems as though being married really hurts one's financial aid.  I read somewhere that a Harvard restricted-scholarship student lost her scholarship after she got married at the end of 1L.  Does your spouse work?  Her income must be counting against you?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: annarose on March 14, 2006, 01:19:55 PM
this chat is HILARIOUS.  totally disorganized, people asking questions over each other, this one dude mamster is insulting everyone and the admissions people... so funny.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: milkman83 on March 14, 2006, 01:23:56 PM
heh yea i'm totally cracking up here
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fainana on March 14, 2006, 06:56:20 PM
Actually, I heard being married can be good for your financial aid, assuming your spouse doesn't make a lot of money (mine barely makes 20,000 and he will be going to school next year too). For some schools, it lets you be independent of your parents (not Harvard or Yale, but for schools that only use FAFSA it makes a big difference). Anyway, I hope what I've heard is right, since I'm married and have no money...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Pancho on March 14, 2006, 07:21:04 PM
this chat is HILARIOUS.  totally disorganized, people asking questions over each other, this one dude mamster is insulting everyone and the admissions people... so funny.

Any more details on this :)?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: sea dream on March 17, 2006, 10:23:20 AM
i had to update yale with a new address and new resume at separate times in the past couple of weeks. both times i never got a response (by email) .. haha i wonder if they read my email then look at my file and think "DING! we already rejected you a while ago, just waiting for that little envelope to reach you on the other side of the world HAHahahAHAHA". lol

Stanford got back to me quickly on the address update but not the resume update. maybe i got rejected in the meanwhile.  ;D

sigh.. it i feel so depressed on Saturday mornings when i wake up with no good news in the inbox(it's friday night for me now, about to go to bed) because i realize it's yet another week over with no news from a bunch of my schools. for some reason i thought Columbia would be the quickest to let me in.. assuming i didnt get barzini-ed, but no word at all. except very prompt emails about "thank you for your continued interest in Columbia Law. we have updated your file with the new information." lol.

argh.. i wonder if miracles really do happen. Probably not.

eta i went complete in late Feb.. something like 2/20 so i'm hoping i still have a fighting chance. as in like 10percent vs. ding! already. who knows
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 10:40:24 AM
argh.. i wonder if miracles really do happen. Probably not.

They do.  But they're not common.  'Cause if they were... y'know.

I honestly just really want them to reject me already.  I want the whole thing to be settled, and even if they let me in right now, I'm no longer sure I'd go there.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JaimeNina on March 17, 2006, 02:55:28 PM
Su, are you still considering NYU?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 05:28:34 PM
Su, are you still considering NYU?

Yeah.  The Yale ding wouldn't instantly settle things, but it would let me focus on the NYU/Harvard decision and be prepared to have a final answer by the time I hear back on the RTK scholarship.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 17, 2006, 05:32:25 PM
Su, are you still considering NYU?

Yeah.  The Yale ding wouldn't instantly settle things, but it would let me focus on the NYU/Harvard decision and be prepared to have a final answer by the time I hear back on the RTK scholarship.


su, when did you go complete at yale?  i appear to still be hanging on for yet another day.  my new theory is that they actually rejected me, but the letter was lost.

although i did get an invite to the chat on the 9th, so it would have had to have been between then and now....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 05:37:23 PM
Su, are you still considering NYU?

Yeah.  The Yale ding wouldn't instantly settle things, but it would let me focus on the NYU/Harvard decision and be prepared to have a final answer by the time I hear back on the RTK scholarship.


su, when did you go complete at yale?  i appear to still be hanging on for yet another day.  my new theory is that they actually rejected me, but the letter was lost.

although i did get an invite to the chat on the 9th, so it would have had to have been between then and now....

I went complete on October 26th.

My only guess on my app is that they're hanging onto me in case they finish admitting and realize that they don't have any lesbians at all, and feel that that would be embarassing (they keep talking about trying to put together a "diverse" class and all).  Once they realize that they've admitted more interesting dykes they'll be sending me my ding.   :D
Title: HI STAN!!!!!
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 05:50:35 PM
Su, are you still considering NYU?

Yeah.  The Yale ding wouldn't instantly settle things, but it would let me focus on the NYU/Harvard decision and be prepared to have a final answer by the time I hear back on the RTK scholarship.

on the other hand, the yale acceptance would instantly settle things, right?

i haven't been in this thread in a while.  love what you've done with the place.

I'm glad you like the curtains.  I sewed them myself.

And no, at this point a NHSoL acceptance wouldn't instantly settle things.  I'd really have to see how I felt about it at the admit weekend.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 17, 2006, 05:53:45 PM
Su, are you still considering NYU?

Yeah.  The Yale ding wouldn't instantly settle things, but it would let me focus on the NYU/Harvard decision and be prepared to have a final answer by the time I hear back on the RTK scholarship.


su, when did you go complete at yale?  i appear to still be hanging on for yet another day.  my new theory is that they actually rejected me, but the letter was lost.

although i did get an invite to the chat on the 9th, so it would have had to have been between then and now....

I went complete on October 26th.

My only guess on my app is that they're hanging onto me in case they finish admitting and realize that they don't have any lesbians at all, and feel that that would be embarassing (they keep talking about trying to put together a "diverse" class and all).  Once they realize that they've admitted more interesting dykes they'll be sending me my ding.   :D


geez, october...

i guess they dont have any dykes or old people.  maybe theyre looking for an old dyke so they can ding both of us
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 05:55:46 PM
i guess they dont have any dykes or old people.  maybe theyre looking for an old dyke so they can ding both of us

 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 06:01:44 PM
And no, at this point a NHSoL acceptance wouldn't instantly settle things.  I'd really have to see how I felt about it at the admit weekend.

wow, you've changed.

I know.  I feel weird about it.

But I didn't really expect to be offered an RTK interview, and I'm getting really into the idea of sticking around Cambridge, and I'm increasingly of the opinion that I don't belong at Yale, whether they let me in or not.

That and the HLS kids I met were very reassuringly diverse of politics and career plans.  (I met people to the left of me at the admit day, and that's always reassuring.  Having a left flank keeps me honest.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 06:07:40 PM
there are people to the left of you?  oh right, scotty.  i didn't realize he had gotten into HLS. 

well whatever you decide, i'm jealous of your options.  i'll keep my fingers crossed for you for RTK YLS.  ;)

Thanks.  And I still think YLS made a big mistake with you.  Bastards.

And, yes, there are people to the left of me.

Tho Scotty isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:15:56 PM
there are people to the left of you?  oh right, scotty.  i didn't realize he had gotten into HLS


This happened??
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:27:50 PM
I see. I was about to be very happy for him.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:30:41 PM
Some people hide their Harvard apps (I know more than one person on this board who have listed every school but that one, even though they've applied there)

Are you still there, Su?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:38:04 PM
That's true. Scotty plays an open hand. It's not the same around here when he's not posting.

Speaking of which, I guess SC's living it up right about now.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 06:38:43 PM
Some people hide their Harvard apps (I know more than one person on this board who have listed every school but that one, even though they've applied there)

Are you still there, Su?

Semi.  I'm in and out.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:42:03 PM
Some people hide their Harvard apps (I know more than one person on this board who have listed every school but that one, even though they've applied there)

Are you still there, Su?

Semi.  I'm in and out.

Why wouldn't you fit in at Yale again? Not because of the chat?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:43:27 PM
That's true. Scotty plays an open hand. It's not the same around here when he's not posting.

Speaking of which, I guess SC's living it up right about now.

actually i'm guessing that he's still passed out.  it would be early morning there, but not so early that he'd still be up.

i prefer when people show their cards up front.

eh, I hid my GPA at first and people didn't have the allergic to me then that they kinda do now. Should have stayed hidden - my initial instinct was right.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:47:48 PM
redemption fit that combo, but I picked it because I was thinking abstractly about human rights law and how it had gone wrong blah blah... I'm not good about screen names, as you can tell from yesterday's decision.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:51:35 PM
A girl's gotta have her secrets, or some such thing. Get over it.


Anyway, as I say, even the 4 doesn't quite tell the story
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 06:57:43 PM
A girl's gotta have her secrets, or some such thing. Get over it.


Anyway, as I say, even the 4 doesn't quite tell the story

apparently not.

we will have to keep a close eye on you.

I'll pm you about it if you're going to pout. Though It's only interesting to me, really.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 07:00:51 PM
Why wouldn't you fit in at Yale again? Not because of the chat?

Just because on the whole I haven't done anything terribly impressive, and I'm not sure I want to spend three years feeling like the laziest guy in the room.  And the more I think about a school where schmoozing with professors is a big deal the more I feel apprehensive; I'm better on tests and papers than I am at schmoozing by a longshot.

And also... I don't know, I've just been feeling a generalized smugness from a number of yale affiliated sources, which has been leaving a bad taste in my mouth, so to speak.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 07:15:52 PM
Why wouldn't you fit in at Yale again? Not because of the chat?

Just because on the whole I haven't done anything terribly impressive, and I'm not sure I want to spend three years feeling like the laziest guy in the room.  And the more I think about a school where schmoozing with professors is a big deal the more I feel apprehensive; I'm better on tests and papers than I am at schmoozing by a longshot.

And also... I don't know, I've just been feeling a generalized smugness from a number of yale affiliated sources, which has been leaving a bad taste in my mouth, so to speak.

I see  :)

I think that there will be lots of people there who haven't yet saved the world, and I don't know that the arriviste, defensive posture of HLS would be more tolerable than Yale's smugness. I guess that's why I didn't apply there myself
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 07:27:58 PM
I think that there will be lots of people there who haven't yet saved the world, and I don't know that the arriviste, defensive posture of HLS would be more tolerable than Yale's smugness. I guess that's why I didn't apply there myself

I was a little worried about HLS in that way, but I got a very good feeling about the current students that I met at the admit weekend, and through friends.  And the large school/small school argument does mean a lot to me in a purely social way.

It could be that my YLS doubts would be similarly allayed.  All I'm saying is that I'm far from sure I'd pick them if I got in.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 17, 2006, 07:31:51 PM
The feeling one gets from a place matters a lot, so yeah I feel you on that.

I'm horribly pro-Yale and Chicago. Irrationally so  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 17, 2006, 09:12:20 PM
The feeling one gets from a place matters a lot, so yeah I feel you on that.

I'm horribly pro-Yale and Chicago. Irrationally so  :D

Well, I think you may also be more into theory than I, and for academic types I can see where those two schools would be unbeatable.

Personally, I'm not that good with theory.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 18, 2006, 05:10:03 AM
No Stanford because I would prefer attending the ones on my list to attending Stanford; I thought at the time that it would be unlikely that I'd get dinged at all 5 of the ones that I did apply to.

The others are strong in either anthropology or human rights, and Stanford isn't strong in either.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 18, 2006, 07:02:25 AM
still alive.....

maybe they lost my address.  the mailman loves me and kept my rejection letter.  they took my ps home to read to their children as an example of what happens to them if they dont eat their vegetables.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: asdf1234 on March 20, 2006, 08:21:02 AM

I think we need a roll call of the Yale obsessed and still alive.

I sent in my application at the end of October too....  (By the way, my phone is on allllll the time, Yale.  Don't worry about waking me up or calling at a bad time; I think I can let it slide.)

I predict waitlist with the final rejection in mid-August, just so they can keep up my false hope for 10 months. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on March 20, 2006, 09:20:35 AM
I think we need a roll call of the Yale obsessed and still alive.

*raises hand*

I didn't submit until mid-january, though, so I'm not sure "still alive" is as appropriate as "still awaiting review."  I'll take what I can get.  (And yes, the phone's on.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: melicertes on March 20, 2006, 09:36:22 AM
Still alive.  Complete in early November, but my local mail service sucks, so the ding is probably en route. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: milkman83 on March 20, 2006, 09:58:14 AM
i'm w/ meli ... went complete in late october, but at this stage i fully expect a late reject (or at best a w/l)

good luck tho, still hanging on -- haven't been able to shake us yet
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 20, 2006, 09:58:49 AM
complete 1-6.

where is my damn ding?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 20, 2006, 10:03:21 AM
Complete late October, really need to get my ding soon or it's going to be a huge hassle finding an apartment.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: melicertes on March 20, 2006, 10:17:12 AM
It's sad when you go to your mailbox every day hoping for a rejection letter.  I'm glad there are others who can commiserate with me. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Karl Pilkington on March 20, 2006, 10:21:13 AM
It's sad when you go to your mailbox every day hoping for a rejection letter.  I'm glad there are others who can commiserate with me. 

I'm just hoping for anything other than a waitlist. I've been complete for almost 4 months at Yale, and I don't want to wait 4 more just to get dinged in July.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 20, 2006, 10:21:54 AM
It's sad when you go to your mailbox every day hoping for a rejection letter.  I'm glad there are others who can commiserate with me. 

It's funny how happy I'm going to be when I get mine.  I'm going to have something terribly unhealthy for dinner and follow it up with a couple of shots of jack and everything will be great.

As long as it happens soon.

And if I get a waitlist, I'm withdrawing my name instantly.  No way am I hanging on until August.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: melicertes on March 20, 2006, 10:45:47 AM

And if I get a waitlist, I'm withdrawing my name instantly.  No way am I hanging on until August.

Agreed.  Waitlist chances are bad enough at most schools, but I can only find 2 LSN accounts in the last two years where someone got in off the waitlist at Yale.  Defintely not worth the mental anguish for those kind of odds. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 20, 2006, 10:52:10 AM
Holy crap. I just got my new fin aid award letter, and the grants jumped by almost $10K from last year. My parents' contribution fell to 0. SWeet.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 20, 2006, 10:56:56 AM
Congrats!

Thanks :).

Your tar scares me a little.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 20, 2006, 11:07:13 AM
Why?  I didn't put you in it.

It looks like it took a long time :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 20, 2006, 11:25:40 AM
Why?  I didn't put you in it.

It looks like it took a long time :)

Really?  Thanks.  The amazing thing is that it didn’t take long at all and I’ve rarely used Photoshop.  This morning it took me about 5 minutes to add mugatu as I was getting ready to leave for work.  What did take a long time was finding Stan's stupid 'tar.

Continuity in lighting…now that would take me a long time to do.

Haha nice.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: caldonia on March 20, 2006, 07:02:45 PM
still alive.....

maybe they lost my address.  the mailman loves me and kept my rejection letter.  they took my ps home to read to their children as an example of what happens to them if they dont eat their vegetables.



Funny you mentioned this.  I've actually considered this possibility, not that my mailman loves me- well, that I know of.  A few months ago, I joked with him that I like him always bringing good news and I expected no less than big/important good-news looking envelopes.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: caldonia on March 20, 2006, 07:06:07 PM
and went complete in january.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: stacy on March 20, 2006, 07:15:57 PM
still waiting...went complete 11/4.  For a while I was on a "well, no news is good news" kick, but now i'm expecting a rejection or waitlist...i will also almost definitely withdraw if waitlisted, as at the moment i'm leaning towards michigan's summer start.  if I end up at georgetown or nyu i might consider staying on it, but probably not. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: vrm083 on March 21, 2006, 11:17:48 AM
I went complete in early January and am still hanging in there.  I've been out of town for the past 11 days and was fully expecting to find a rejection waiting for me when I got home this morning.  But no.  I went through the envelopes like five times, thinking there was a mistake.  The next three weeks are going to be not so fun. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: whatsnext on March 22, 2006, 09:42:08 AM
4.0/178 still waiting on yale as well as columbia -- why is harvard so much faster than these guys?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 22, 2006, 09:43:38 AM
4.0/178 still waiting on yale as well as columbia -- why is harvard so much faster than these guys?

'Cause Harvard took one look at that 4.0/178 and, um, had some biological function that doesn't need to be specified.  Yale's a little pickier about the soft factors.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on March 22, 2006, 10:24:43 AM
Just to let y'all know, YLS is more behind this year than usual because of some staffing changes at the office.  So don't presume waitlist/rejection because you haven't heard yet.  I'm so sorry for the delay :(  I know YLS has a reputation for taking a long time, but at least this year they're not being intentionally mysterious!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: vrm083 on March 22, 2006, 11:37:39 AM
Just to let y'all know, YLS is more behind this year than usual because of some staffing changes at the office.  So don't presume waitlist/rejection because you haven't heard yet.  I'm so sorry for the delay :(  I know YLS has a reputation for taking a long time, but at least this year they're not being intentionally mysterious!

Thanks for the update :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: NY2000 on March 22, 2006, 01:53:26 PM
Just to let y'all know, YLS is more behind this year than usual because of some staffing changes at the office.  So don't presume waitlist/rejection because you haven't heard yet.  I'm so sorry for the delay :(  I know YLS has a reputation for taking a long time, but at least this year they're not being intentionally mysterious!

How are you aware of the internal situation at YLS admissions?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fainana on March 22, 2006, 02:19:54 PM
Don't worry, she's not a Yale spy or anything (I hope), a friend of mine also told me about this- apparently people at the Harvard admit day were talking about it- one of the admissions deans was pregnant and had to take a leave of absence earlier than expected or something from what I hear. Good luck everyone!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 22, 2006, 02:23:16 PM
I'm not unsympathetic to delays due to staffing changes and all, but just the same this wait is seeming increasingly ridiculous considering the percentage of those remaining who are going to get dinged.  Do they really need to hold on to all of our applications to make sure they've got "diversity"?  And anyway, how are they trying to "put together a diverse class" if it's really done with the 3-faculty-member/12-point-scale method that's been described?

I'm just annoyed because I'm probably passing up what would be a really amazing living situation because I can't 100% commit to staying in Cambridge, which if Yale would get around to sending me my rejection, I could.  It really makes me wish I had the balls to just withdraw, since I know I'm unlikely to get in anyway.

[/rant]
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on March 22, 2006, 02:25:17 PM
I'm not unsympathetic to delays due to staffing changes and all, but just the same this wait is seeming increasingly ridiculous considering the percentage of those remaining who are going to get dinged.  Do they really need to hold on to all of our applications to make sure they've got "diversity"?  And anyway, how are they trying to "put together a diverse class" if it's really done with the 3-faculty-member/12-point-scale method that's been described?

I'm just annoyed because I'm probably passing up what would be a really amazing living situation because I can't 100% commit to staying in Cambridge, which if Yale would get around to sending me my rejection, I could.  It really makes me wish I had the balls to just withdraw, since I know I'm unlikely to get in anyway.

[/rant]

I emailed Toby for (kind of) the reverse situation at Harvard to let him know that my decision is really time-sensitive.  I don't know if it would help/work at Yale (nor do I know whether it will at Harvard).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Winner! on March 22, 2006, 02:33:01 PM
wow, bass.  you got balls. (options, too though)

the GF needs to know, right?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: melicertes on March 22, 2006, 02:37:33 PM
I emailed Toby for (kind of) the reverse situation at Harvard to let him know that my decision is really time-sensitive.  I don't know if it would help/work at Yale (nor do I know whether it will at Harvard).

From my experience, Yale tends to be much more understanding about situations like this than Harvard (although mine was concerning a scholarship deadline at Penn, not a personal situation).  Harvard's response was essentially "We'll make a note on your application, but we won't actually do anything about it, so don't hold your breath."  Hopefully, they will be more accomodating for you, bass. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 22, 2006, 02:41:08 PM
I emailed Toby for (kind of) the reverse situation at Harvard to let him know that my decision is really time-sensitive.  I don't know if it would help/work at Yale (nor do I know whether it will at Harvard).

From my experience, Yale tends to be much more understanding about situations like this than Harvard (although mine was concerning a scholarship deadline at Penn, not a personal situation).  Harvard's response was essentially "We'll make a note on your application, but we won't actually do anything about it, so don't hold your breath."  Hopefully, they will be more accomodating for you, bass. 

Does Yale really give an answer earlier when asked?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on March 22, 2006, 02:47:07 PM
Do they really need to hold on to all of our applications to make sure they've got "diversity"?  And anyway, how are they trying to "put together a diverse class" if it's really done with the 3-faculty-member/12-point-scale method that's been described?

I think the whole diverse-faculty-using-own-criteria is how they aim to create a (somewhat) diverse class.

I also would (wildly) speculate that the process is slow because, if your rating is kind of good, not great, they have to wait until everybody's ratings are in to do a final review, since they actually regard the deadline as simply a cutoff for applications...perhaps they send the final batch(es) to the fourth (and fifth?) reviewer(s).

i.e., I don't think they're holding any apps to make a diverse class.  I do think they're holding apps, and I do think they want a diverse class.  I'm just not sure the two are connected.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 22, 2006, 02:47:40 PM
I emailed Toby for (kind of) the reverse situation at Harvard to let him know that my decision is really time-sensitive.  I don't know if it would help/work at Yale (nor do I know whether it will at Harvard).

From my experience, Yale tends to be much more understanding about situations like this than Harvard (although mine was concerning a scholarship deadline at Penn, not a personal situation).  Harvard's response was essentially "We'll make a note on your application, but we won't actually do anything about it, so don't hold your breath."  Hopefully, they will be more accomodating for you, bass. 

Does Yale really give an answer earlier when asked?

Yeah a friend of mine had to decide whether to accept or decline a scholarship last year, but was waiting on Yale. He wrote Yale explaining the situation and why he needed a decision if at all possible sooner rather than later. The lady said she would see what she could do, he had a decision a week and a half later.

Edit: I think he may have just emailed the admissions office. I don't think there ever was a lady that said "i'll see what I can do." but he got his decision soon after he sent the email.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Karl Pilkington on March 22, 2006, 02:48:43 PM
I emailed Toby for (kind of) the reverse situation at Harvard to let him know that my decision is really time-sensitive.  I don't know if it would help/work at Yale (nor do I know whether it will at Harvard).

From my experience, Yale tends to be much more understanding about situations like this than Harvard (although mine was concerning a scholarship deadline at Penn, not a personal situation).  Harvard's response was essentially "We'll make a note on your application, but we won't actually do anything about it, so don't hold your breath."  Hopefully, they will be more accomodating for you, bass. 

Does Yale really give an answer earlier when asked?

From the YLS FAQ:

"The bulk of our decisions go out from mid-March to mid-April. Our goal is to have all decisions made by April 15. If you are facing scholarship or deposit deadlines and have not yet received a decision from us, please email admissions.law@yale.edu with your name, LSAC number, a current phone number and the school, type of deadline, and date."
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 22, 2006, 02:51:01 PM
I emailed Toby for (kind of) the reverse situation at Harvard to let him know that my decision is really time-sensitive.  I don't know if it would help/work at Yale (nor do I know whether it will at Harvard).

From my experience, Yale tends to be much more understanding about situations like this than Harvard (although mine was concerning a scholarship deadline at Penn, not a personal situation).  Harvard's response was essentially "We'll make a note on your application, but we won't actually do anything about it, so don't hold your breath."  Hopefully, they will be more accomodating for you, bass. 

Does Yale really give an answer earlier when asked?

Yeah a friend of mine had to decide whether to accept or decline a scholarship last year, but was waiting on Yale. He wrote Yale explaining the situation and why he needed a decision if at all possible sooner rather than later. The lady said she would see what she could do, he had a decision a week and a half later.

Cool.  If I'm still seriously considering the RTK in a week or so I'll probably drop them a line.

From the YLS FAQ:

"The bulk of our decisions go out from mid-March to mid-April. Our goal is to have all decisions made by April 15. If you are facing scholarship or deposit deadlines and have not yet received a decision from us, please email admissions.law@yale.edu with your name, LSAC number, a current phone number and the school, type of deadline, and date."

Thanks.  :)  I know they say that, but I wasn't sure if it really meant anything.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: melicertes on March 22, 2006, 03:08:21 PM
I emailed Toby for (kind of) the reverse situation at Harvard to let him know that my decision is really time-sensitive.  I don't know if it would help/work at Yale (nor do I know whether it will at Harvard).

From my experience, Yale tends to be much more understanding about situations like this than Harvard (although mine was concerning a scholarship deadline at Penn, not a personal situation).  Harvard's response was essentially "We'll make a note on your application, but we won't actually do anything about it, so don't hold your breath."  Hopefully, they will be more accomodating for you, bass. 

Does Yale really give an answer earlier when asked?

The official stance is that if you notify them, they will do their best to accomodate you.  If they cannot, they will call you a week in advance of your deadline to discuss your options.  I'm about two weeks away from the Levy deadline, so we shall see if I get a decision, a call, or neither  :'( from Yale. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on March 22, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
wow, bass.  you got balls. (options, too though)

the GF needs to know, right?

She does...or we do, since we'll be searching for housing that should start June 1.

From my experience, Yale tends to be much more understanding about situations like this than Harvard (although mine was concerning a scholarship deadline at Penn, not a personal situation).  Harvard's response was essentially "We'll make a note on your application, but we won't actually do anything about it, so don't hold your breath."  Hopefully, they will be more accomodating for you, bass. 

Hope so.  Can't hurt too much to try.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 22, 2006, 03:31:14 PM
damn, i really want to know, but i'm not gonna wake that dog

saw a bunch more dings on lsn today, but still no rejection in my mailbox.

why? why?  what have i done to deserve this?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 22, 2006, 06:50:26 PM
http://www.lawschoolnumbers.com/display.php?user=sky1414

Note she is in CT.  Brace yourselves.

Damn.  That's weird.  Wouldn't you think they wouldn't waitlist anybody until they'd made all their other decisions?  Do you figure on a major wave of rejections along with the waitlists tomorrow?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 22, 2006, 06:53:08 PM
She was probably a 10.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 22, 2006, 07:00:52 PM
She was probably a 10.

They don't flat out waitlist all 10s, do they?  That'd be an awful lot of waitlists, considering their usual non-use of the waitlist, no?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 22, 2006, 07:02:05 PM
i saw that the other day and suspected it was an error.


what do you mean by 'she was a 10?'
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 22, 2006, 07:04:13 PM
Why would there be an "awful lot" of 10s?  I doubt they waitlist every 10...just promising ones.  But I've seen nothing to indicate that 10s are very numerous.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 22, 2006, 07:05:35 PM
i saw that the other day and suspected it was an error.


what do you mean by 'she was a 10?'

3 profs score from 2-4.  12s in, 11s probably in, 10s waitlisted, everyone else rejected.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 22, 2006, 07:07:05 PM
geez, you gotta get a perfect score?


i'm actually thrilled if my app got out of the adcomms office and got to the profs.

hope i made 'em all cry with my 250.  gimme them 4's  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 22, 2006, 07:07:27 PM
Why would there be an "awful lot" of 10s?  I doubt they waitlist every 10...just promising ones.  But I've seen nothing to indicate that 10s are very numerous.

I guess I just figured there'd be a fair number of people in most of the categories.  I guess it's possible that all the profs think alike most of the time, but considering the variability of the system it seemed likely that there's a fair amount of disagreement.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: asdf1234 on March 22, 2006, 08:04:40 PM
The Yale Obsession has ended.  Mourning over the reality of letter grades but relieved that the wait is over.  The likelyhood of attending Harvard next year has probably jumped to 90%.

The letter came to my parent's address (permanent address as opposed to school address), and my mom mailed it up in a big bag of other mail.  Just thought I'd mention that to any other college-aged applicants--you may have a rejection letter waiting at home already (sorry for the ominous warning).  Might want to call up and check.

Gee... guess I can't procrastinate on this thread anymore.  Perhaps I can actually... study?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: badmammajamma on March 22, 2006, 08:11:26 PM



3 profs score from 2-4.  12s in, 11s probably in, 10s waitlisted, everyone else rejected.
Really? I didn't know that. I got a 12? I swear it was either pure luck that I got the right faculty members for me, or another person with my name sent a large check to the school and they thought it was me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on March 22, 2006, 08:58:14 PM



3 profs score from 2-4.  12s in, 11s probably in, 10s waitlisted, everyone else rejected.
Really? I didn't know that. I got a 12? I swear it was either pure luck that I got the right faculty members for me, or another person with my name sent a large check to the school and they thought it was me.

bmj - I believe you did EVEN BETTER than that.  You bypassed faculty review.  So good, they didn't need to rate you.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 23, 2006, 10:45:10 AM
The bad news is that if they are sending people to the waitlist, and you haven't been accepted at this point, a ding is very likely.  I guess the exception would be people who applied very late. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 23, 2006, 10:49:55 AM
The bad news is that if they are sending people to the waitlist, and you haven't been accepted at this point, a ding is very likely.  I guess the exception would be people who applied very late. 

I'll take a W/L.  It's kind of like a moral victory.  Harvard probably fits me better anyway (but I haven't researched Yale quite as much for obvious reasons).

Honestly I'm kind of at the point where a W/L would be my first choice.  I'd love to stay in Cambridge, I think Harvard suits me just fine, and not getting dinged outright would be a nice ego stroke.   :D

But I'd happily take any answer now if they'd just finally give me one!

I'm really hoping for a thin envelope in my mailbox.

And sorry to all those who already have one.   :'(  "Damn you Yale!" (shakes fist at the big Adcomm in the sky)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 23, 2006, 10:53:47 AM
You all know what I think. Both Su and Pancho are getting in.

I'm willing to take bets on this.

I think JPhillmore's logic is pretty good, alas (kind of alas).

But I'll happily bet you a drink on the subject.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on March 23, 2006, 10:55:46 AM
Yale really doesn't seem to have accepted many people in their regular process yet, so I think JPhil is likely incorrect.  The vast majority of LSN acceptances were in the late December batch, and we have seen very little since the faculty review.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 23, 2006, 10:57:04 AM
The bad news is that if they are sending people to the waitlist, and you haven't been accepted at this point, a ding is very likely. I guess the exception would be people who applied very late.

Nah, they still have hundreds of apps to read.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 23, 2006, 10:58:21 AM
Yale really doesn't seem to have accepted many people in their regular process yet, so I think JPhil is likely incorrect.  The vast majority of LSN acceptances were in the late December batch, and we have seen very little since the faculty review.

The idea of waitlisting before being done with admitting really confuses me still.

But the mysteries of Yale's admissions process are not mine to comprehend.

But like Pancho I'm fairly confident that they don't really take people like me.  I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bass on March 23, 2006, 10:58:39 AM
Yale really doesn't seem to have accepted many people in their regular process yet, so I think JPhil is likely incorrect.  The vast majority of LSN acceptances were in the late December batch, and we have seen very little since the faculty review.

TITCR.

Su and Pancho will be in the next batch.  :D

I'll even give 2-1 odds.

So what if one gets in but not the other?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on March 23, 2006, 11:42:41 AM
I'm pretty convinced I will never received a decision, ever.  I keep saying I'd rather not have to be in the difficult position of deciding between Yale and Harvard, but I know that's totally totally a lie.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 23, 2006, 12:11:23 PM
I can't believe JPhil got waitlisted.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 23, 2006, 12:26:07 PM
I can't believe JPhil got waitlisted.

Its all your fault, too many people deferring last year :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 23, 2006, 12:27:38 PM
I can't believe JPhil got waitlisted.

Its all your fault, too many people deferring last year :)

Oh crap. Kill self now? Maybe they'll give you my spot.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 23, 2006, 12:33:20 PM
I can't believe JPhil got waitlisted.

Its all your fault, too many people deferring last year :)

Oh crap. Kill self now? Maybe they'll give you my spot.

I think I'll send in my grades from this year and another recommendation, but I think I'm basically screwed at this point.  Unless Toby actually manages to pull a bunch of Yale admits to Harvard....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: habeas dorkus! on March 23, 2006, 12:37:00 PM
I can't believe JPhil got waitlisted.

Its all your fault, too many people deferring last year :)

Oh crap. Kill self now? Maybe they'll give you my spot.

I think I'll send in my grades from this year and another recommendation, but I think I'm basically screwed at this point.  Unless Toby actually manages to pull a bunch of Yale admits to Harvard....

Maybe they're putting more on the WL this year because of the incredibly high yield last year, and will admit more off the WL once Toby steals a couple dozen.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: LAS on March 23, 2006, 02:54:56 PM
Hi. I am thinking of calling Yale and see what the status is on my application. I sent my application 11/21/05  . I'm worried they may have sent me a rejection that got lost in the mail, and now I'm holding out for nothing.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 23, 2006, 02:56:43 PM
Hi. I am thinking of calling Yale and see what the status is on my application. I sent my application 11/21/05  . I'm worried they may have sent me a rejection that got lost in the mail, and now I'm holding out for nothing.

Thoughts?


not me, i'm going to hang in there until the last minute.  i wish they had an online status checker like the graduate school does.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 23, 2006, 03:00:24 PM
Hi. I am thinking of calling Yale and see what the status is on my application. I sent my application 11/21/05  . I'm worried they may have sent me a rejection that got lost in the mail, and now I'm holding out for nothing.

Thoughts?

Pointless.  Like I said, they're behind.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Karl Pilkington on March 23, 2006, 03:02:11 PM
Hi. I am thinking of calling Yale and see what the status is on my application. I sent my application 11/21/05  . I'm worried they may have sent me a rejection that got lost in the mail, and now I'm holding out for nothing.

Thoughts?

A lot of people (myself included) applied earlier than that and haven't heard anything. You're welcome to do whatever you want, but I don't think calling is going to speed things up.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JackBauer on March 24, 2006, 07:09:17 AM
Looking at LSN over the last few years, does anyone else notice that this year there seems to be an abnormally high number of people getting accepted to YLS and then withdrawing?  Last year no one who was accepted posted as having withdrawn, and this year already there are 6 who have.

I mean, all schools go through hot phases, and I wonder if people are becoming less mystified and more miffed with what seems to be Yale's holier-than-thou approach to apps.   
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on March 24, 2006, 07:31:51 AM
Looking at LSN over the last few years, does anyone else notice that this year there seems to be an abnormally high number of people getting accepted to YLS and then withdrawing?  Last year no one who was accepted posted as having withdrawn, and this year already there are 6 who have.

I mean, all schools go through hot phases, and I wonder if people are becoming less mystified and more miffed with what seems to be Yale's holier-than-thou approach to apps.   

I think it's more like this: People who are talking to a lot of admits are saying inaccurate and slanderous things about Yale, and our office is not doing enough to counteract that.  I mean, some HLS admit told me they heard Yale is "competitive" - that is absolutely riiiidiculous!!! :o Also, YLS has taken on some public activist battles with which some students maybe don't want to get involved.

Your question doesn't really make sense because if someone was already accepted, they shouldn't be bothered by this supposedly "holier-than-thou" (read: thorough, not just numbers-bound) approach to applications.  It's people who are still waiting who would justifiably be annoyed by the admissions process.  To those people, I've already told you that it's seriously not anything about your application or about the will of the Admissions staff that's making it really slow this year - it's unavoidable circumstances in the Admissions office.  So, please don't try to draw any conclusions about the status of your application yet.  The timing isn't indicative of anything.

But I do think Yale's 90% yield will be a bit lower this year and Harvard's 65-or-so% yield will be higher.  We hit an all-time high with our class. It's reasonable that it can't be that way every single year.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 24, 2006, 07:36:25 AM
Yeah, the yield will probably be back down to its normal ~80%, and H might move up to around 70%.

EDIT: And 40-50 people, for whatever reason, turn down Yale each year.  As LSN becomes more popular, you will see that increasingly reflected.  Additionally, I know for a fact that some of those accounts are fake.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JackBauer on March 24, 2006, 08:17:43 AM
Sorry, allow me to clarify:
I didn't apply to Yale, so I don't have a personal stake in this beyond interest in the process. And I did not mean to indicate that I myself thought that Yale's approach to apps was "holier than thou," I was simply referring to what anyone--even someone in the yale admissions office--would have to agree is a popular impression of yale's admit process.  I wholeheartedly accept that Y's normal delay is the unavoidable product of their more thorough process, and I am sure that any additional delay is likely the product of equally unavoidable circumstances.  Cleary, it serves no benefit to the school to intentionally delay the admit process.  I'm simply pointing out that people do get a little miffed when they apply in September, and haven't heard anything resembling a personal response for over 6 months (Form-letters and emails don't count, and initial caveats that most don't hear until february and march don't help either when some do, in fact, hear before the new year).  As a result, the popular impression of a school changes when people (even those who have been accepted) here it being bad-mouthed by their friends whose apps are still pending. 
Likewise, I'm sure the other schools bad-mouthing YLS, has had an effect, but that's their prerogative (plus, that sort of thing tends to come back and bite them in the a** later on). I do think, though, that if Yale has this admissions process that takes signifcantly longer than other schools, it has to acknowledge the additional strife it puts its applicants through.  Whatever the cause, it's still unpleasant on this end. (and for the vast majority that don't get it, it's no comfort that the process results in a more favorable class.) 

2)  In re: LSN's popularity, I don't know if that has an effect, since the pool of acceptees we're talking about is the same now as it was last year.  And while none of last year's 40+ self-identified acceptees withdrew, this year, of the same number of S-I acceptees (40+), 6 claim to have withdrawn so far.  As for the fakes on LSN, who knows? It's equally possible that there were the fakes last year. 
Alternatively, the answer to my initial question may just be "no." 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 24, 2006, 08:22:28 AM
I don't feel like going back and looking, but is this 40+ you mention for last year all of the acceptees for 2005? And are there currently 40+ for 2006?  If so, there will be more for 2006, since the Admissions Office has, literally, hundreds of apps left to read.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JackBauer on March 24, 2006, 08:29:04 AM
Right, I don't mean that they're done, I just mean that of a random sampling of 40-50 acceptees, here's what happened last year and this year. (And can we please just skip the obvious discussion over the fact that it is not actually a random sampling because only a select population uses LSN?  It just seemed like an interesting phenomenon to me.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 24, 2006, 10:14:40 AM
I don't think the current withdrawls are a product of the delay for the reasons Mooooobell mentioned, but it does seem like the long wait may at least somewhat impact yield;, because it's just coming down to the time when we all want to have a decision and get on with our lives.

I know I for one would have to seriously consider the question at this point if I got in, when a month ago it would have been a no-brainer.  Luckily for them they weren't going to admit me anyway.  :D  I just wish they'd get around to letting me know.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: vrm083 on March 24, 2006, 10:56:27 AM
Waitlist for me...which I won't be waiting on.  :)  I'm quite content with my Harvard v. Columbia decision.  Yale would have just complicated my life, since it wasn't an obvious choice for me. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 24, 2006, 11:39:59 AM
Waitlist for me...which I won't be waiting on.  :)  I'm quite content with my Harvard v. Columbia decision.  Yale would have just complicated my life, since it wasn't an obvious choice for me. 

Well, sorry to hear that, but congrats with being done with the wait.   :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 24, 2006, 11:56:58 AM
Waitlist for me...which I won't be waiting on.  :)  I'm quite content with my Harvard v. Columbia decision.  Yale would have just complicated my life, since it wasn't an obvious choice for me. 
'

What about Stanford?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: anon123 on March 24, 2006, 12:11:45 PM
Does anyone know why Yale is being slower than usual this year? What are these mysterious "unavoidable circumstances"?

Also, does the waitlist letter indicate when to expect a final decision?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: vrm083 on March 24, 2006, 12:20:38 PM
YC: Stanford a) will not accept me and b) will not influence my decision.  I'd withdraw, but my mom won't let me.  (I'm too exhausted with all of this to be anything other than perfectly honest.)

Anon: August 31.  I'm not kidding.  You can chill on the waitlist all the way up til orientation.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: vrm083 on March 24, 2006, 12:21:13 PM
Oh, and thanks, Su!  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JackBauer on March 24, 2006, 12:25:54 PM
As I understand it (and ms. mooo....bel will please correct me if i'm mistaken) the two major sources of delay are: (1) recent turnovers in admissions office staff, and (2) the recent and unfortunate departure of a significant staff member due to a personal issue (I think it was maternity leave).

As for when you will find out about the waitlist, I don't think there is an official notification date. (That's not unique to Yale though, I know a now-veteran attorney who is still on the waitlist at Columbia.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: anon123 on March 24, 2006, 12:28:02 PM
Sounds similar to the situation at Harvard last year (the previous incarnation of Toby was forced out mid-cycle).

Thanks for the info. Yale's the only place I haven't heard from (complete 12/27) -- so was just wondering what to expect if I get waitlisted.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bewitched on March 24, 2006, 12:35:25 PM
I noticed on the website that if you're facing scholarship deadlines and have yet to receive a decision from Yale, you can email the admissions office with that information. I did this on tuesday and have yet to hear a thing... Has anyone else had a similar experience? If so, at what point is it appropriate to follow up with a phone call? Yale's a bit of a pipe dream anyway, but I just can't imagine deciding where to go without at least knowing my status there.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 24, 2006, 01:42:07 PM
If it's really important, go ahead and call.  But they really are swamped right now, so anything not important probably won't be looked upon favorably.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Kansas on March 24, 2006, 02:08:09 PM
If it's really important, go ahead and call.  But they really are swamped right now, so anything not important probably won't be looked upon favorably.

Does this go for admits' queries as well? I e-mailed the admissions office a few weeks ago with a question and never got a response...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: bewitched on March 24, 2006, 02:14:15 PM
For now, I guess I'll let it go... after all, they have more important things to do - like admit me - I mean, other people. :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 24, 2006, 02:17:35 PM
If it's really important, go ahead and call.  But they really are swamped right now, so anything not important probably won't be looked upon favorably.

Does this go for admits' queries as well? I e-mailed the admissions office a few weeks ago with a question and never got a response...

Yeah, they're terrible with e-mail.  But since you're already in, feel free to call them.  I did last year (about a question regarding admit weekend), and they were really helpful.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 24, 2006, 02:46:55 PM
still alive after yet another week.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: LAS on March 24, 2006, 04:12:34 PM
Ugh. Just got kicked out of the game. Waitlisted at Yale, which is basically a consolation prize since so few get in off the waitlist.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 24, 2006, 05:07:39 PM
as for me, i would consider it a personal victory to even be put on the waitlist.  i'd throw a 'i got on yale's waitlist' party    ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: milkman83 on March 24, 2006, 06:14:19 PM
w/l yesterday for me
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: TXcal on March 24, 2006, 06:17:00 PM
If it's really important, go ahead and call.  But they really are swamped right now, so anything not important probably won't be looked upon favorably.

Does this go for admits' queries as well? I e-mailed the admissions office a few weeks ago with a question and never got a response...

Yeah, they're terrible with e-mail.  But since you're already in, feel free to call them.  I did last year (about a question regarding admit weekend), and they were really helpful.

Kansas, I emailed a while back and it took them a few days to respond to me, too.  Alci's not kidding about how swamped they are over there, though when I do get ahold of someone, they're super nice.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: kiyakoiya on March 24, 2006, 07:29:31 PM
w/l for me, too.  via snail mail.  dated 3/20.  good luck, all.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: David on March 24, 2006, 07:33:01 PM
Hi pals, I guess I should join this thread. Still waiting on YLS but I didn't go complete until early Feb, so I might have to wait a while for my WL/ding. I'm sorta like Su though, half hoping that I get bad news but just get it soon so I know where I'll be this fall.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: wunder on March 24, 2006, 07:36:29 PM
Hi pals, I guess I should join this thread. Still waiting on YLS but I didn't go complete until early Feb, so I might have to wait a while for my WL/ding. I'm sorta like Su though, half hoping that I get bad news but just get it soon so I know where I'll be this fall.

I'm right there with you.  I turned my app in all the way back in November but didn't get a complete notice until Feb (after I emailed them to ask about it).  I just hope they send something in the next two weeks or I will have run into deadlines at other schools and it will be moot.

BTW, I emailed the admin office three weeks ago letting them know I had a scholarship deadline at another school and never heard anything back.  I have to assume they're listening but not responding.  They must be really behind!!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on March 24, 2006, 08:10:38 PM
In NYC and still haven't heard anything despite being complete since October.  Anyone want to make an educated guess about what in the world they could possibly be doing with my application?  Hell, I'll take an uneducated guess.

And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision.  I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.  As if I would be in the position to make a decision anyway...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 24, 2006, 08:26:14 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 24, 2006, 08:45:20 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

Yeah, but how would you feel if they didn't let you in on the first day? ;)

Seriously though, Annabel was the same way as aac saying that "Harvard's better; I don't even want to go to Yale...they take too long. I would go to Harvard even if admitted to Yale." Now she's picking out apartments in New Haven. Its a riot
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: David on March 24, 2006, 08:48:22 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

Yeah, but how would you feel if they didn't let you in on the first day? ;)

Seriously though, Annabel was the same way as aac saying that "Harvard's better; I don't even want to go to Yale...they take too long. I would go to Harvard even if admitted to Yale." Now she's picking out apartments in New Haven. Its a riot

Yeah I have a feeling the same thing might happen to me. Where do you think you'll end up?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 24, 2006, 08:56:30 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

Yeah, but how would you feel if they didn't let you in on the first day? ;)

Seriously though, Annabel was the same way as aac saying that "Harvard's better; I don't even want to go to Yale...they take too long. I would go to Harvard even if admitted to Yale." Now she's picking out apartments in New Haven. Its a riot

Yeah I have a feeling the same thing might happen to me. Where do you think you'll end up?


Probably Yale. I like Harvard's programs better, but the advantages of Yale are really difficult to pass up. Plus they aren't shy with the financial help.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 24, 2006, 09:00:44 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

Yeah, but how would you feel if they didn't let you in on the first day? ;)

Seriously though, Annabel was the same way as aac saying that "Harvard's better; I don't even want to go to Yale...they take too long. I would go to Harvard even if admitted to Yale." Now she's picking out apartments in New Haven. Its a riot

Lol, no, I totally understand it.  I just find it interesting because it's so irrational.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on March 24, 2006, 10:01:15 PM
still nothing here, though i applied quite late (submitted january, went complete 2/8). 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 24, 2006, 10:32:48 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

I'm not convinced that 100% rationality is the best way to pick a law school.  The way you feel going in is a big deal, and when choosing between schools in this category, I'm not sure how much the rational differences that are identifiable really matter (at least for those who aren't set on academia).

jsia
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 24, 2006, 10:40:57 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

I'm not convinced that 100% rationality is the best way to pick a law school.  The way you feel going in is a big deal, and when choosing between schools in this category, I'm not sure how much the rational differences that are identifiable really matter (at least for those who aren't set on academia).

jsia

Every time I read a post by you, I think you should be bass and bass should be you in terms of outcomes so far.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 24, 2006, 10:42:45 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

I'm not convinced that 100% rationality is the best way to pick a law school.  The way you feel going in is a big deal, and when choosing between schools in this category, I'm not sure how much the rational differences that are identifiable really matter (at least for those who aren't set on academia).

jsia

Every time I read a post by you, I think you should be bass and bass should be you in terms of outcomes so far.

I've offered to trade.  But I guess we'd have trouble mascarading as one another for three years.

I imagine we'll both "settle" just fine, tho it's too bad about his s.o.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on March 24, 2006, 10:50:01 PM
As far as the rationality of my post--I find it incredibly difficult to do good research on law schools.  Most of the information out there is put out by the law schools themselves or from some highly biased source.  Harvard's practice of having professors contact you is clearly an effective way of establishing a link between you and the school.  Yale, according to my best friend who was admitted there, has really not been doing any of that.  Of course Yale may have many of the same experts that Harvard has, it just doesn't seem like they are going out of their way to show that.  That's really where my statement came from.

And I totally agree with Su's lack of rationality argument.  I find it pretty hard to be rational in a situation where there is a clear lack of information.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 24, 2006, 11:04:51 PM
And as to Yale being especially slow, for me it is influencing my decision. I'm pretty set on Harvard and Yale's lack of communication during the admission cycle is definitely reinforcing that.

Think about that for a second.  Is it really rational?  Is it in your best interest?  I don't think so.  This psychological phenomenon amuses me.

I'm not convinced that 100% rationality is the best way to pick a law school.  The way you feel going in is a big deal, and when choosing between schools in this category, I'm not sure how much the rational differences that are identifiable really matter (at least for those who aren't set on academia).

jsia

Choosing a school because it happens to admit you earlier doesn't seem very rational to me.  Why didn't you all go to GULC?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 24, 2006, 11:17:01 PM
I'm not convinced that 100% rationality is the best way to pick a law school.  The way you feel going in is a big deal, and when choosing between schools in this category, I'm not sure how much the rational differences that are identifiable really matter (at least for those who aren't set on academia).

jsia

Choosing a school because it happens to admit you earlier doesn't seem very rational to me.  Why didn't you all go to GULC?
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1. In the post you are responding to, Su says that rationality is overrated.
2. Furthermore, she is careful to use the condition "when choosing between schools in this category." So the fact that we didn't all go to GULC suggests that GULC is not in the same category as H and Y. But you knew that, right?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 25, 2006, 07:11:15 AM
Quote
I'm not convinced that 100% rationality is the best way to pick a law school.  The way you feel going in is a big deal, and when choosing between schools in this category, I'm not sure how much the rational differences that are identifiable really matter (at least for those who aren't set on academia).

jsia

Choosing a school because it happens to admit you earlier doesn't seem very rational to me.  Why didn't you all go to GULC?

1. In the post you are responding to, Su says that rationality is overrated.
2. Furthermore, she is careful to use the condition "when choosing between schools in this category." So the fact that we didn't all go to GULC suggests that GULC is not in the same category as H and Y. But you knew that, right?

1. Implicit in my post was the rejection of the rejection of rationality.
2. Exactly.  The school that let you in first is a totally trivial and irrelevant consideration.  Just as there are real differences between GULC and YHS, there are very real differences between Y, H, and S (not making a value judgment on those differences).  Why turn down a school that might be a better fit just because of the arbitrary factor of its admissions process?  Seems stupid (forget irrational) to me.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: RickBlaine on March 25, 2006, 07:20:06 AM
Quote
I'm not convinced that 100% rationality is the best way to pick a law school.  The way you feel going in is a big deal, and when choosing between schools in this category, I'm not sure how much the rational differences that are identifiable really matter (at least for those who aren't set on academia).

jsia

Choosing a school because it happens to admit you earlier doesn't seem very rational to me.  Why didn't you all go to GULC?

1. In the post you are responding to, Su says that rationality is overrated.
2. Furthermore, she is careful to use the condition "when choosing between schools in this category." So the fact that we didn't all go to GULC suggests that GULC is not in the same category as H and Y. But you knew that, right?

1. Implicit in my post was the rejection of the rejection of rationality.
2. Exactly.  The school that let you in first is a totally trivial and irrelevant consideration.  Just as there are real differences between GULC and YHS, there are very real differences between Y, H, and S (not making a value judgment on those differences).  Why turn down a school that might be a better fit just because of the arbitrary factor of its admissions process?  Seems stupid (forget irrational) to me.

Get a life you AA worm!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 25, 2006, 07:23:46 AM
Ditto.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: RickBlaine on March 25, 2006, 07:32:34 AM
Ditto.

I wasn't an AA admit. I am a white male whose numbers 4.0/178 were only good enough for a WL from YLS.
What were your numbers again?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 25, 2006, 07:34:13 AM
Ditto.

I wasn't an AA admit. I am a white male whose numbers 4.0/178 were only good enough for a WL from YLS.
What were your numbers again?

Nobody as stupid as you is a 4/178 or a Yale admit. You're pathetic.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 25, 2006, 07:35:25 AM
Ditto.

I wasn't an AA admit. I am a white male whose numbers 4.0/178 were only good enough for a WL from YLS.
What were your numbers again?

Nobody as stupid as you is a 4/178 or a Yale admit. You're pathetic.



c'mon red, don't mince words, tell us what you *really* think  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 25, 2006, 07:37:25 AM
So many losers in the world, so little time.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: RickBlaine on March 25, 2006, 07:39:33 AM
Ditto.

I wasn't an AA admit. I am a white male whose numbers 4.0/178 were only good enough for a WL from YLS.
What were your numbers again?

Nobody as stupid as you is a 4/178 or a Yale admit. You're pathetic.

I may be stupid but my LSAT was two points higher than yours, so what does that make you?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 25, 2006, 07:40:31 AM
i'd put my money on red.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on March 25, 2006, 07:50:50 AM
I bet we'll all feel differently (rational and irrational) when Yale tells us we're in or out.
it's the waiting that makes us crazy.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 25, 2006, 07:52:36 AM
I may be stupid but my LSAT was two points higher than yours, so what does that make you?

I am what I am. You are a liar and an idiot.

I bet we'll all feel differently (rational and irrational) when Yale tells us we're in or out.
it's the waiting that makes us crazy.

No, not true. Character shows under pressure. He's a pathetic moron.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: elererah on March 25, 2006, 07:53:52 AM
oh yeah. i agree about rickblaine. I was responding to the discussion before that.  :D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: RickBlaine on March 25, 2006, 08:23:07 AM
I may be stupid but my LSAT was two points higher than yours, so what does that make you?

I am what I am. You are a liar and an idiot.

I bet we'll all feel differently (rational and irrational) when Yale tells us we're in or out.
it's the waiting that makes us crazy.

No, not true. Character shows under pressure. He's a pathetic moron.

I'll admit one thing Red, you really show a lot of "class".
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 25, 2006, 08:29:24 AM
Whatever. Asswipe. Get the fvck off this board.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: RickBlaine on March 25, 2006, 08:39:26 AM
Whatever. Asswipe. Get the fvck off this board.
A lot of "class" indeed.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: fatcat on March 25, 2006, 08:50:00 AM
Whatever. Asswipe. Get the fvck off this board.
A lot of "class" indeed.

in my opinion, anyone who flaunts their GPA and LSAT score to try to delegitimize others' worth, as well as argues "My LSAT is two points higher than yours" as their main point in a debate with another person is probably the most lacking in class.

jsia  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 25, 2006, 08:51:51 AM
1. Implicit in my post was the rejection of the rejection of rationality.
2. Exactly.  The school that let you in first is a totally trivial and irrelevant consideration.  Just as there are real differences between GULC and YHS, there are very real differences between Y, H, and S (not making a value judgment on those differences).  Why turn down a school that might be a better fit just because of the arbitrary factor of its admissions process?  Seems stupid (forget irrational) to me.

1. ? You still didn't address it, but it's not important.

2. Though no two schools are identical, there is much more difference between GULC and H than between Y and H, thus making trivial considerations more important relatively. e.g. Yale has IM innertube water polo, while Harvard doesn't. Or, going to Harvard would allow me to finally make moving plans and book my plane tickets for the summer, while waiting on Yale will probably force me to buy one of those last-minute extortion fares.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 25, 2006, 08:54:50 AM
My take is that if you don't like the way that Yale is treating you - simply withdraw. No rationalization is necessary. If you don't withdraw, it means that it's not that bad. Yes?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 25, 2006, 08:55:44 AM
Withdrawing really doesn't cause them to treat you any better.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: George Jefferson˛ on March 25, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
Withdrawing really doesn't cause them to treat you any better.

It causes you to not be treated at all.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 25, 2006, 08:58:49 AM
Withdrawing really doesn't cause them to treat you any better.

It causes you to not be treated at all.

Quite.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 25, 2006, 09:00:10 AM
1. Implicit in my post was the rejection of the rejection of rationality.
2. Exactly.  The school that let you in first is a totally trivial and irrelevant consideration.  Just as there are real differences between GULC and YHS, there are very real differences between Y, H, and S (not making a value judgment on those differences).  Why turn down a school that might be a better fit just because of the arbitrary factor of its admissions process?  Seems stupid (forget irrational) to me.

The problem is that we're speaking at cross purposes.  Of course the school that let you in first is a totally trivial and irrelevant consideration when you're lining up every detail, examining each one, and totalling the pluses and minuses for each school.  Give us a little credit; you know we're not that stupid (obviously moron trolls are never part of any "we" I'd refer to).

My point is that that method isn't for me, because I honestly don't think there are enough concrete pluses and minuses, given the huge number of, as our esteemed secretary of defense might say, "unknown unknowables."   The fact is that, once you get to talking about schools that offer outstanding educations, good public interest career support (both fiscally and through advising and opportunities), and excellent career prospects in every field I'm interested in, there just aren't any differences that seem logically big enough to base my decision on.  

So I'm going to go with my gut, and the more I wait the more I'm exposed to positive ideas, opinions, and experiences about Harvard, and the less I'm exposed to such things about Yale.  You'll never find a post where I say I'm rejecting Yale out of hand, nor has anyone else said such a thing to the best of my recollection, but I am saying that my general feeling has been trending more and more towards Harvard.

If you still think it's stupid, well, we probably won't be going to school together, so happily you'll be spared my idiocy.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: SouthSide on March 25, 2006, 09:04:21 AM
To quote from the Yale website FAQs:

"When are decisions made?

The bulk of our decisions go out from mid-March to mid-April. Our goal is to have all decisions made by April 15."

We are thus now only one third of the way into the period when the "bulk of decisions" will go out. Why are people assuming it is slower this year? It seems to me they are right on plan. If no one has still heard by April 15, then people can start complaining.


Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 25, 2006, 09:06:43 AM
To quote from the Yale website FAQs:

"When are decisions made?

The bulk of our decisions go out from mid-March to mid-April. Our goal is to have all decisions made by April 15."

We are thus now only one third of the way into the period when the "bulk of decisions" will go out. Why are people assuming it is slower this year? It seems to me they are right on plan. If no one has still heard by April 15, then people can start complaining.

I think the main thing people are complaining about is not that Yale is slower this year than Yale usually is, but that Yale is always slower than most comparable schools are.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 25, 2006, 09:09:04 AM
To quote from the Yale website FAQs:

"When are decisions made?

The bulk of our decisions go out from mid-March to mid-April. Our goal is to have all decisions made by April 15."

We are thus now only one third of the way into the period when the "bulk of decisions" will go out. Why are people assuming it is slower this year? It seems to me they are right on plan. If no one has still heard by April 15, then people can start complaining.




Unfortunately since they have started putting people on the waitlist it is safe to assume that the majority of the decisions that will be given out from this point on will be rejections.  Why would they bother creating a waitlist already if the class wasn't basically full?  

Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 25, 2006, 09:10:32 AM
1. Implicit in my post was the rejection of the rejection of rationality.
2. Exactly.  The school that let you in first is a totally trivial and irrelevant consideration.  Just as there are real differences between GULC and YHS, there are very real differences between Y, H, and S (not making a value judgment on those differences).  Why turn down a school that might be a better fit just because of the arbitrary factor of its admissions process?  Seems stupid (forget irrational) to me.

The problem is that we're speaking at cross purposes.  Of course the school that let you in first is a totally trivial and irrelevant consideration when you're lining up every detail, examining each one, and totalling the pluses and minuses for each school.  Give us a little credit; you know we're not that stupid (obviously moron trolls are never part of any "we" I'd refer to).

My point is that that method isn't for me, because I honestly don't think there are enough concrete pluses and minuses, given the huge number of, as our esteemed secretary of defense might say, "unknown unknowables."   The fact is that, once you get to talking about schools that offer outstanding educations, good public interest career support (both fiscally and through advising and opportunities), and excellent career prospects in every field I'm interested in, there just aren't any differences that seem logically big enough to base my decision on. 

So I'm going to go with my gut, and the more I wait the more I'm exposed to positive ideas, opinions, and experiences about Harvard, and the less I'm exposed to such things about Yale.  You'll never find a post where I say I'm rejecting Yale out of hand, nor has anyone else said such a thing to the best of my recollection, but I am saying that my general feeling has been trending more and more towards Harvard.

If you still think it's stupid, well, we probably won't be going to school together, so happily you'll be spared my idiocy.

Lol.  I don't think you're stupid.  I was speaking in general terms about the phenomenon.  Equally interesting is the about-face that usually occurs once people get into a school that they had all but written off.  So subconsciouly, people recognize that making a decision based off of the admissions process is stupid.  But dissonance reduction allows them to rationalize it until (or after, in the case of a rejection) that point.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 25, 2006, 09:13:57 AM
Lol.  I don't think you're stupid.  I was speaking in general terms about the phenomenon.  Equally interesting is the about-face that usually occurs once people get into a school that they had all but written off.  So subconsciouly, people recognize that making a decision based off of the admissions process is stupid.  But dissonance reduction allows them to rationalize it until (or after, in the case of a rejection) that point.

I agree that that's entirely probable.  If I got admitted to Yale, visited, and got a good feeling, obviously I'd go.  But my feeling about it is low now, and my feeling about Harvard is very good, so when Yale dings me, I'm just going to feel relief.

I wish I thought I definitely wouldn't go to Yale if they let me in.  If I thought that I could withdraw and settle into Cambridge, which is what I'd very much like to do right now.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: SouthSide on March 25, 2006, 09:17:07 AM

Unfortunately since they have started putting people on the waitlist it is safe to assume that the majority of the decisions that will be given out from this point on will be rejections.  Why would they bother creating a waitlist already if the class wasn't basically full? 



First off, it is safe to assume that the majority of decisions that are ever given out from Yale are rejections. We all knew we were playing Russian roulette by applying and yet we still did.

Second, they have a formula that helps to determine whether someone gets the waitlist or the admit. Putting someone on the waitlist does not mean they have filled up their class. They are just slowly cycling through the apps, admitting some, rejecting most, and waitlisting some.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 25, 2006, 09:18:01 AM
Unfortunately since they have started putting people on the waitlist it is safe to assume that the majority of the decisions that will be given out from this point on will be rejections.  Why would they bother creating a waitlist already if the class wasn't basically full? 

Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.

I'm not sure if you know thus, but the majority of decisions from Yale given from any point on are rejections.  ;)

Alci said that 10's in faculty review get WLed, so presumably if you are reviewed after people who are WLed and get a 12 you'll still get in, and if an 11 you'll also probably get in.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 25, 2006, 09:20:38 AM
Unfortunately since they have started putting people on the waitlist it is safe to assume that the majority of the decisions that will be given out from this point on will be rejections.  Why would they bother creating a waitlist already if the class wasn't basically full? 

Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.

I'm not sure if you know thus, but the majority of decisions from Yale given from any point on are rejections.  ;)

Alci said that 10's in faculty review get WLed, so presumably if you are reviewed after people who are WLed and get a 12 you'll still get in, and if an 11 you'll also probably get in.


i was laboring under the belief that not all applications get faculty review.  is this correct?  some of the dings seemed to just fly out of there; unless those particular faculty members just cranked them out as quickly as possible....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: SouthSide on March 25, 2006, 09:20:51 AM
I may have to sue the Dread Yale College for plagiarism. You copied me!!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: redemption on March 25, 2006, 09:36:59 AM
Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.

Aww. That's sweet.  ;)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 25, 2006, 09:45:17 AM
Unfortunately since they have started putting people on the waitlist it is safe to assume that the majority of the decisions that will be given out from this point on will be rejections.  Why would they bother creating a waitlist already if the class wasn't basically full? 

Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.

I'm not sure if you know thus, but the majority of decisions from Yale given from any point on are rejections.  ;)

Alci said that 10's in faculty review get WLed, so presumably if you are reviewed after people who are WLed and get a 12 you'll still get in, and if an 11 you'll also probably get in.

We'll see.  My bet is that we don't see anyone who went complete before 1/1 accepted for the rest of the cycle, and if it does happen it will happen early next week. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: SouthSide on March 25, 2006, 09:58:26 AM
Wow, JPhilmore, I just looked up your lawschoolnumbers. The fact that you didn't get in further reinforces the apparent arbitrariness of the process.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 25, 2006, 12:06:44 PM
Wow, JPhilmore, I just looked up your lawschoolnumbers. The fact that you didn't get in further reinforces the apparent arbitrariness of the process.



The reasons why I didn't get in are also the reasons why I probably shouldn't have gone there even if I did get in. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 25, 2006, 12:08:00 PM
woooooooohoooooooooo!

I'm free!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 25, 2006, 12:08:11 PM

The reasons why I didn't get in are also the reasons why I probably shouldn't have gone there even if I did get in. 

why, did you write your 250 about boinking dean koh's daughter?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 25, 2006, 12:17:34 PM

The reasons why I didn't get in are also the reasons why I probably shouldn't have gone there even if I did get in. 

why, did you write your 250 about boinking dean koh's daughter?

I was referring to my hatred of academics (the people), but now that you mention it that essay probably didn't help my cause much either.  They said it could be about anything....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: SouthSide on March 25, 2006, 12:18:25 PM

The reasons why I didn't get in are also the reasons why I probably shouldn't have gone there even if I did get in. 

why, did you write your 250 about boinking dean koh's daughter?

If that's really your law school goal, then that would probably be a reason TO go to Yale.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JPhilmore on March 25, 2006, 12:21:10 PM

The reasons why I didn't get in are also the reasons why I probably shouldn't have gone there even if I did get in. 

why, did you write your 250 about boinking dean koh's daughter?

If that's really your law school goal, then that would probably be a reason TO go to Yale.



The essay was about boinking Dean Koh's daughter, not about wanting to boink her in the future.  Its a small school, would have made things weird whenever I ran into him. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: SouthSide on March 25, 2006, 12:24:16 PM
Ah, I see. Perhaps you should have written about how US News Rankings affect you the same way that porno does.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Yale College Inferno on March 25, 2006, 12:30:54 PM
woooooooohoooooooooo!

I'm free!

Are you going to decline the waitlist then?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 25, 2006, 12:31:16 PM
woooooooohoooooooooo!

I'm free!

Are you going to decline the waitlist then?

I just did.   ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: badmammajamma on March 25, 2006, 12:38:18 PM
I was referring to my hatred of academics (the people),
Understandable...but how can you really avoid them at top schools?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 25, 2006, 12:42:03 PM
You all know what I think. Both Su and Pancho are getting in.

I'm willing to take bets on this.

I think JPhillmore's logic is pretty good, alas (kind of alas).

But I'll happily bet you a drink on the subject.

Somebody owes me a drink....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Frogger on March 25, 2006, 02:05:13 PM
Sorry to be out of date (just got back from traveling), but anybody else think we should port the Red/RickBlaine exchange into xoxo wholesale?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: lawiscool on March 25, 2006, 02:41:10 PM
Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.

Aww. That's sweet.  ;)

What are you talking about, red is smoking hot. Though her vindicative and agressive nature makes me think she might be of the lesbian persuasion.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 25, 2006, 02:42:04 PM
still alive, after another mail day.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Steve.jd on March 25, 2006, 02:47:35 PM
Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.

Aww. That's sweet.  ;)

What are you talking about, red is smoking hot. Though her vindicative and agressive nature makes me think she might be of the lesbian persuasion.

What does her "hotness" have to do with anything?  She definitely has a vindicative/aggressive bent, which may be interpreted in a negative way, however, I doubt she has any problems functioning in the real world
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on March 25, 2006, 02:54:49 PM
Still alive, will it ever end?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on March 25, 2006, 03:25:12 PM
i was laboring under the belief that not all applications get faculty review.  is this correct?  some of the dings seemed to just fly out of there; unless those particular faculty members just cranked them out as quickly as possible....

From YLS (http://www.law.yale.edu/outside/html/Admissions/admis-jdoverview.htm) directly:
Each application file is first read by the Dean or Director of Admissions. A group of the most highly rated files is then considered by faculty file readers. On the basis of the faculty ratings, we admit candidates and establish a waiting list. Faculty file readers' ratings are based on their own criteria, and the relative weight to be given to various experiences versus academic achievement is within each file reader's discretion.

So, yep, most applications do not get faculty review.  Somebody once posted approx. numbers on that, but I can't remember in which thread....
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 25, 2006, 03:53:41 PM
i was laboring under the belief that not all applications get faculty review.  is this correct?  some of the dings seemed to just fly out of there; unless those particular faculty members just cranked them out as quickly as possible....

From YLS (http://www.law.yale.edu/outside/html/Admissions/admis-jdoverview.htm) directly:
Each application file is first read by the Dean or Director of Admissions. A group of the most highly rated files is then considered by faculty file readers. On the basis of the faculty ratings, we admit candidates and establish a waiting list. Faculty file readers' ratings are based on their own criteria, and the relative weight to be given to various experiences versus academic achievement is within each file reader's discretion.

So, yep, most applications do not get faculty review.  Somebody once posted approx. numbers on that, but I can't remember in which thread....


so is it reasonable to assume that having gone complete on 1-6, one's file is under faculty review?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: lawiscool on March 25, 2006, 10:20:24 PM
Also, red seems to be a bit of a female dog, and I doubt she functions well in the real world.

Aww. That's sweet.  ;)

What are you talking about, red is smoking hot. Though her vindicative and agressive nature makes me think she might be of the lesbian persuasion.

What does her "hotness" have to do with anything?  She definitely has a vindicative/aggressive bent, which may be interpreted in a negative way, however, I doubt she has any problems functioning in the real world

I think we can agree as males that the following formula/equation has substance:

bitchiness plus aggressivness plus hormonal behavior et al.
minus
degree of hotness
=
(if the number is negative we can give leeway)

Anyways if red was here with me I would be a happy happy individual
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 26, 2006, 06:00:32 PM
i'm obsessed with getting the damn ding and being done with it
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: The Dread Pirate Roberts on March 26, 2006, 06:35:04 PM
Closure is nice.  I recommend it.

Of course I hope those still waiting get the nicer form of closure, but either way it's a load off.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 26, 2006, 06:38:41 PM
i will obsess until each and every decision is in.  eh, i've always been this way, no big surprise
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: corky on March 26, 2006, 09:03:18 PM
I've been away for a few days. Sorry to everyone who's out.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: caldonia on March 27, 2006, 06:38:08 PM
ditto.  No new mail here yet.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on March 27, 2006, 06:59:53 PM
Nothing here.  I even called today to ask if I could somehow check to see if a decision had been mailed out a long time ago and my mailman had eaten it or something equally odd.  Their answer (of course) was no.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 27, 2006, 09:08:09 PM
still alive after today.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: serpentstooth on March 28, 2006, 03:41:51 PM
The most frustrating thing just happened!  I just got out of class at 2:05 my time (I live on the west coast, so that's 5:05 Yale time) and had a message on my phone from a Barbara Branjee at the JD Admissions office asking me to call back.  Of course, by that time their office was closed, so I have to waith till 5:30 a.m. tomorrow to call again, and now I'm stressing out because I can't think of why they called.  It can't be bad news, right?  But if it was an acceptance they'd have left a message, right?  I e-mailed an update about my grades a week ago, so I don't know if they're contacting me about that, either.

Grrrr...I'd been avoiding obsessing about Yale, but now it's started again.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 28, 2006, 03:43:36 PM
Lol.  I missed my phone call too.  They just asked me to call back, but said it was "good news." (EDIT: I think.  Alas, the memory has gotten fuzzy.  Should have recorded it permanently somewhere.)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: milkman83 on March 28, 2006, 03:43:58 PM
serpentstooth -- have you ever heard of yale calling an applicant with anything other than good news?  

congrats  ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: John Galt on March 28, 2006, 07:28:17 PM
Yeah congrats on the phone call, you're almost 100% in. If they ding you over the phone, congrats too cause that's the first time in history I would've heard of it.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on March 28, 2006, 07:34:51 PM
i keep checking my voice mail, but nothing!   ;D


at least i didnt get a ding today
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: serpentstooth on March 28, 2006, 11:35:52 PM
Thanks for the reassurance, guys.  Counting down the hours till it's time to call  :)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Rudy Huckleberry on March 28, 2006, 11:38:00 PM
Thanks for the reassurance, guys.  Counting down the hours till it's time to call  :)

Just 7.5 more hours!  CONGRATULATIONS!!!  Welcome to the YLS family :-* ;) ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: SouthSide on March 29, 2006, 01:41:00 AM
You're definitely in. I got my acceptance via phone call from Barbara Brankee too. Congrats!!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: sea dream on March 29, 2006, 03:30:49 AM
The most frustrating thing just happened!  I just got out of class at 2:05 my time (I live on the west coast, so that's 5:05 Yale time) and had a message on my phone from a Barbara Branjee at the JD Admissions office asking me to call back.  Of course, by that time their office was closed, so I have to waith till 5:30 a.m. tomorrow to call again, and now I'm stressing out because I can't think of why they called.  It can't be bad news, right?  But if it was an acceptance they'd have left a message, right?  I e-mailed an update about my grades a week ago, so I don't know if they're contacting me about that, either.

Grrrr...I'd been avoiding obsessing about Yale, but now it's started again.

you're sooo lucky ! congratulations, serpentstooth. would you be set on Yale if you got in? i'm pretty happy with my acceptances but i would love to get into Yale or Stanford..  :D btw did Yale email you back when you updated them?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: serpentstooth on March 29, 2006, 06:50:52 AM
Wow...so you guys were right!  I'm IN!!  My brain's operating at about 20% right now, and I don't think I heard a word the admissions officer had to say after "she was calling to tell you you had been accepted..."  Totally worth getting 3 hours of sleep for  ;D

Sea Dream, I'm not 100% sure I'm going to Yale, but am definitely leaning there.  I'm still going to the Harvard Admit Weekend, which by all accounts is very persuasive.  And no, Yale did not email me back after I updated them.  Good luck on Yale and Stanford  ;) (I'm still waiting on Stanford, too, but that's on the opposite coast than the one I want to be on, so it's more for my ego's sake than anything else).

I really need more sleep before I try to tackle my homework for later today, but somehow I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: H4CS on March 29, 2006, 06:51:19 AM
Wow...so you guys were right!  I'm IN!!  My brain's operating at about 20% right now, and I don't think I heard a word the admissions officer had to say after "she was calling to tell you you had been accepted..."  Totally worth getting 3 hours of sleep for  ;D

Sea Dream, I'm not 100% sure I'm going to Yale, but am definitely leaning there.  I'm still going to the Harvard Admit Weekend, which by all accounts is very persuasive.  And no, Yale did not email me back after I updated them.  Good luck on Yale and Stanford  ;) (I'm still waiting on Stanford, too, but that's on the opposite coast than the one I want to be on, so it's more for my ego's sake than anything else).

I really need more sleep before I try to tackle my homework for later today, but somehow I don't see that happening.

Congrats, here's hoping more are to come
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Groundhog on March 29, 2006, 06:52:45 AM
Congratulations! Must feel quite amazing.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: lovelovelovenyc on March 29, 2006, 06:55:17 AM
Huge congrats serpentstooth!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: David on March 29, 2006, 11:48:39 AM
Yay! Nice job serpentstooth, big congrats!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blanche Dubois on March 30, 2006, 02:44:15 PM
So, 1 person (that we know of) got the acceptance call. Any baseless speculate when the next round's going to happen? Seems like there was a big batch of rejections that is more or less over.  Any first-hand knowledge to share, Alci?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: chombi3 on March 30, 2006, 03:33:39 PM
So, 1 person (that we know of) got the acceptance call. Any baseless speculate when the next round's going to happen? Seems like there was a big batch of rejections that is more or less over.  Any first-hand knowledge to share, Alci?

somebody i know in real life got the call on tuesday as well.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: A. on March 30, 2006, 03:38:15 PM
So, 1 person (that we know of) got the acceptance call. Any baseless speculate when the next round's going to happen? Seems like there was a big batch of rejections that is more or less over.  Any first-hand knowledge to share, Alci?

More admissions will be made.  How many more, I don't know (but I would expect only a few at this point).  Admit weekend is in a week, so...
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on March 30, 2006, 03:49:08 PM
Perhaps someone can answer my question.  I've been complete since October and still haven't gotten a response.  Anyone have any idea what could be going on with my app?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: melicertes on March 30, 2006, 03:56:11 PM
I'm in the same boat.  I have been bracing myself for a Yale ding every trip to the mailbox for the last 3 months.  At this point, chances of admission are slim to none and the waitlist seems like a dismal proposition, so I would almost prefer they reject me and let me get on with my life. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blanche Dubois on March 30, 2006, 04:16:11 PM
I'm in the same boat.  I have been bracing myself for a Yale ding every trip to the mailbox for the last 3 months.  At this point, chances of admission are slim to none and the waitlist seems like a dismal proposition, so I would almost prefer they reject me and let me get on with my life. 

I know how you feel, although I haven't been waiting as long as you (I went complete 1/26). I keep seeing all of these rejections coming and expect the small envelope in the mail. When it doesn't come, I'm momentarily relieved (and hopeful), and then the angst of waiting (and knowing that Megan won't be calling) quickly returns.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: JaimeNina on March 30, 2006, 11:34:56 PM
DING ME ALREADY SO I CAN GET ON WITH MY LIFE!  >:(
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Karl Pilkington on March 31, 2006, 07:38:55 AM
I just passed the 4 month "complete" mark a few days ago. I just want a decision one way or the other so I can get on with my life. From previous years, it seems like a waitlist just delays the ding until July for 99% of people, so a rejection would probably be preferable to a waitlist at this point. (I'd be fine with a miracle admit, too)
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: Blanche Dubois on March 31, 2006, 08:31:28 AM
I just passed the 4 month "complete" mark a few days ago. I just want a decision one way or the other so I can get on with my life. From previous years, it seems like a waitlist just delays the ding until July for 99% of people, so a rejection would probably be preferable to a waitlist at this point. (I'd be fine with a miracle admit, too)

Yeah, the waitlist is just purgatory. Sure, every once in a while someone gets in off the waitlist. But that's usually only because a student decided not to go to law school or to defer at the last minute. (It's not like slots open up b/c a better school pulls someone off their waitlist).
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: YourBoy on April 01, 2006, 01:30:07 PM
So, 1 person (that we know of) got the acceptance call. Any baseless speculate when the next round's going to happen? Seems like there was a big batch of rejections that is more or less over.  Any first-hand knowledge to share, Alci?

Ok, I am definately obsessing over Yale. And it seems like there is little fuel to the fire. Well let me add this. The admissions director called and stated that they intended to have their initial round of decisions done by Friday (yesterday). They sent the final batch of faculty reviews in on Tuesday/Wednesday. Thats all I know, so those of us who went complete late and were accepted (pray!), will find out next week. I assume.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on April 01, 2006, 01:35:26 PM
So, 1 person (that we know of) got the acceptance call. Any baseless speculate when the next round's going to happen? Seems like there was a big batch of rejections that is more or less over.  Any first-hand knowledge to share, Alci?

Ok, I am definately obsessing over Yale. And it seems like there is little fuel to the fire. Well let me add this. The admissions director called and stated that they intended to have their initial round of decisions done by Friday (yesterday). They sent the final batch of faculty reviews in on Tuesday/Wednesday. Thats all I know, so those of us who went complete late and were accepted (pray!), will find out next week. I assume.



god i hope so.  i've been complete since 1-6, and i suspect someone was using my file to prop their door open.
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: aac2022 on April 01, 2006, 01:38:55 PM
What about those of us who applied much earlier and most probably already went through faculty review?  Any speculation on us?
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: cyberrev on April 01, 2006, 01:43:32 PM
What about those of us who applied much earlier and most probably already went through faculty review?  Any speculation on us?


10-20?  and you're still waiting?  that's just wrong.

theyre giving march completes answers already!
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: stacy on April 01, 2006, 01:48:01 PM
i was complete on 11/4 and haven't heard ANYTHING since.

for a while, I thought no news was good news, but now I'm just hoping for a ding instead of a waitlist. 
Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: YourBoy on April 01, 2006, 01:51:51 PM
If you applied and were complete early, I think Friday was your last shot to get in there. I figure if you don't hear this week, you have to assume ding.

Title: Re: Yale Obsession
Post by: ibroadrunr on April 01, 2006, 02:01:39 PM
Ok, I am definately obsessing over Yale. And it seems like there is little fuel to the fire. Well let me add this. The admissions director called and stated that they intended to have their initial round of decisions done by Friday (yesterday). They sent the final batch of faculty reviews in on Tuesday/Wednesday. Thats all I know, so those of us who went complete late and were accepted (pray!), will find out next week. I assume.

You called the admissions director, or the the director called you?  Either way, thanks for sharing the info.  :)


If you applied and were complete early, I think Friday was your last shot to get in there. I figure if you don't hear this week, you have to assume ding.
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