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Title: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: lawstudent3 on November 08, 2005, 04:06:50 PM
There seems to be a lot of confusion about Dean's Certificates, so I'm going to create an FAQ thread.  I will start, and others will post other helpful information and hints, since I can't do it alone.  Anything not related to the topic at hand will be deleted to keep this as clear as possible.  Thanks.
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What is it?


A Dean's Certificate is a form that some schools require in order to verify you are or were in good standing at your academic institution(s).

Which schools require it?

This is a pretty accurate list.  Thanks for Jason240 for posting.

Boston University
Brooklyn
Campbell Law School
Cardozo (Required only if the applicant has had academic or disciplinary sanctions.)
Columbia (from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools)
Connecticut
Cornell
Duke (If accepted, certification will be required prior to matriculation.)
Georgetown (only for transfer/visiting students)
Harvard (from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools)
Howard
University of Memphis
New York University (Required after an applicant is accepted and chooses to attend NYU, or if the applicant has had academic or disciplinary sanctions.)
U Penn (Required after an applicant is accepted and chooses to attend U Penn.)
University of Richmond
University of South Carolina
Stanford
Suffolk University
Wake Forest (Required after an applicant is accepted and chooses to attend Wake Forest.)
University of Washington

Can I send it through LSAC on the web?

No.  You must print out each individual school's form, if they have any, and take it to the appropriate office at your school to have it sent.

What office is that?

It varies from school to school.  Try the Dean's office of the division or college from which you are graduating.

Is it necesary for my application to be considered "complete."

In most cases, yes, but always check with the school.

Is it okay to send it before I send my application?

Again, always check with the school.  Some for a fact say it is fine, but check to be sure.

Carry on!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Vannabunny on November 08, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
Which Dean? My school has several
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: lawstudent3 on November 08, 2005, 04:20:26 PM
Most likely the dean of the college or division in which you are enrolled.  Usually the actual Dean doesn't do it, just his office takes care of it.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: pandabones on November 08, 2005, 05:44:30 PM
Harvard and Columbia want the Dean's Certification from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools.  Stanford, however, only requires it from your undergraduate school.

I messed this up, so that is why I am posting it.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: lawstudent3 on November 08, 2005, 05:48:19 PM
Thanks Panda--I'll add it.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: mb3303 on November 08, 2005, 06:32:14 PM
I believe Columbia suggests the Dean of Students.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: FossilJ on November 08, 2005, 06:36:00 PM
Is it just me, or is the word "dean" starting to sound really funny? 

Dean.

Dean.

Dean.

 ;D
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: practiceboy02 on November 08, 2005, 08:03:47 PM
My Dean informed that I had to send Dean's Certs to Columbia from every UG school I'd ever been enrolled in a degree program at.  I called them to confirm, and they said that this was correct
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Vannabunny on November 08, 2005, 08:11:50 PM
Is it just me, or is the word "dean" starting to sound really funny?

Dean.

Dean.

Dean.

 ;D

The Dean of Academic Affairs at my school first name is Dean. So he's Dean Dean Sheppers
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: FossilJ on November 08, 2005, 08:17:23 PM
Is it just me, or is the word "dean" starting to sound really funny?

Dean.

Dean.

Dean.

 ;D

The Dean of Academic Affairs at my school first name is Dean. So he's Dean Dean Sheppers

hahahha!

That's like my friend's law prof, whose last name is Law.  Doesn't have quite the same ring to it, but it's amusing, nevertheless.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: TheGunner on November 08, 2005, 08:20:32 PM
From Duke Law's website regarding the application process -

The dean's certification is not required to submit your file for evaluation. If you are accepted, certification will be required prior to matriculation.

I interpret that to mean your application will be considered even without it. Only if you are attending will they require it.

Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: practiceboy02 on November 08, 2005, 09:29:10 PM
Harvard and Columbia want the Dean's Certification from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools.  Stanford, however, only requires it from your undergraduate school.

I messed this up, so that is why I am posting it.

@#!*, are you sure about Harvard needing it from EVERY school?

I don't think they require it from every school attended, just the ones that granted a degree (including graduate degrees apparently?)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: pandabones on November 09, 2005, 05:00:43 AM
Harvard and Columbia want the Dean's Certification from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools.  Stanford, however, only requires it from your undergraduate school.

I messed this up, so that is why I am posting it.

@#!*, are you sure about Harvard needing it from EVERY school?

Yes, it is true.  They sent me an email this week telling me I had to get one for my education school degree, which I will get next year.  I couldn't believe they wanted it, but they do. 
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: pandabones on November 09, 2005, 05:06:35 AM
Harvard and Columbia want the Dean's Certification from every school you have or will get a degree from, including graduate schools.  Stanford, however, only requires it from your undergraduate school.

I messed this up, so that is why I am posting it.

@#!*, are you sure about Harvard needing it from EVERY school?

I don't think they require it from every school attended, just the ones that granted a degree (including graduate degrees apparently?)

I wonder if they count Associates degrees in that, hmm. I know Columbia's instructions said EVERY school even if they didn't give you a degree. That's enough for me to not apply to them.

I think they may count Associates degrees as a "degree program", but I don't think they want the certifications from schools where you may have taken a class (like summer school) but were not working towards a degree at that school.  At least I hope not, since I went to a couple local universities and community colleges during high school to take classes but was not working towards a degree at these schools.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: jujunyc on November 09, 2005, 08:11:30 AM
Also Penn, my UG, won't do individual ones for each school. Ah, why do they have to be difficult. they were like this w/ internships too.

So they have a generic law school dean credentials form that they have the Director of Academic Advising fill out (in the case of the School of Arts and Sciences, anyway), and they want you to send it to the school's credentials office and have them distribute it to all necessary schools. Obviously, UPenn grads have gotten in all kinds of schools, so I'm not going to worry too much. They write an extra paragraph in the instructions by way of reassuring that all schools will take their generic form.

Not a lot of extra hassle, but still.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: latinlord on November 09, 2005, 04:48:26 PM
You forgot about Stetson Univerisity in Florida. Also when I did it, I had to go to the office of judicial affairs. There they will look up your record to see if you have any judicials or anything like that. Last year when I did it, I went to my specific dean in my major, that was actually wrong, but he filled it out for me anyway. "Dean of Judicial Affairs" is the best place to go, when they ask if you have been in trouble at the school. If they only ask for grades and graduation requirments met, then you can go to your local "registar".
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: potato on November 11, 2005, 03:08:07 PM
Harvard says that the applicant is supposed to include it her application.  Since it's all electronic now, is it okay if the school sends it on to them, or does it still need to go through me?

Do some schools fax them to the LS? My grad school said to make sure that's okay.  I'm going to call them on Monday and check, bu being paranoid here.

Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wunder on November 11, 2005, 07:31:44 PM
You all made me freak out because I hadn't submitted a cert from the community college I took some general classes from during a summer break.  Here's what Harvard's website says:

The Harvard Law School College Certification is required from each academic institution that has granted or is expected to grant you a degree, and from any institution at which you are currently enrolled in a degree program. You may photocopy the blank form if you need more than one. The form is usually completed on the basis of the schoolís records. The College Certification is not a letter of recommendation, so it is not necessary for the person completing the form to know you. The College Certification requests confirmation of the conferral (or expected conferral) of your degree, rank-in-class (if available), and information about possible academic or behavioral disciplinary actions. School officials who have access to academic and disciplinary records may complete certifications. Each institution is different, but usually a Dean of Students or Pre-Law Adviser Office completes this form.

A school official may mail a completed College Certification directly to the J.D. Admissions Office or may return a College Certification to you in a sealed, signed envelope to be mailed, unopened, with your paper application form (if you are using the paper application form).

Receipt of College Certifications
If your College Certification is sent directly to our office and you would like to be notified of our receipt of it, make arrangements with the school official completing your College Certification to enclose a postcard, addressed and with the proper postage attached, with the form. We will be happy to mail any cards we receive at the time the College Certification is opened.

(from http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/ccs.php)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Ramrod on November 15, 2005, 05:41:29 PM
I know I'm a little behind in the cycle since a medical condition forced me to reschedule my October test, but I was just assuming that it was a form the deans signed saying your record is clean/not clean and it got sent. 

But I just signed into my undergrad (columbia) and they ask you all the schools you are applying to, a few paragraphs on why you are applying, to include addendums of any academic disparages, to list all organizations, and all awards won. 

Is this normally the case?   Is it possible that this may be more difficult to fill out than a couple applications.

Any other similar Columbia experiences?  Or schools that are similar?

Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: thescreed on November 16, 2005, 11:11:30 PM
I know I'm a little behind in the cycle since a medical condition forced me to reschedule my October test, but I was just assuming that it was a form the deans signed saying your record is clean/not clean and it got sent. 

But I just signed into my undergrad (columbia) and they ask you all the schools you are applying to, a few paragraphs on why you are applying, to include addendums of any academic disparages, to list all organizations, and all awards won. 

Is this normally the case?   Is it possible that this may be more difficult to fill out than a couple applications.

Any other similar Columbia experiences?  Or schools that are similar?

You may be confusing two different things. Your undergrad has the form to fill out so they have a master file for you that keeps track of all of your certifications. Then you probably submit the forms from each school you want to attend, and they note it in your file. That's how they do it in my school. Your undergrad form is not a Dean's Certification, think of it more like a request for your school to fill out your Dean's certifications.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: SkipTown on November 21, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
Columbia's Application Instructions:
"A Deanís Appraisal form or an equivalent certification
of good standing must be
submitted from each educational institution
where you are currently enrolled in a degree
program; from which you have already earned
a degree; and at which you were matriculated
toward a degree (regardless of whether a
degree was received)."


My 4 years of college was split between 3 schools. I sent in deans certs from all of them? I understood the highlighted passage as meaning that any school attended after high school needed to send in a dean's cert. Was I mistaken? If so, will thus hurt my app?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: The Poster on November 22, 2005, 01:35:10 PM
Columbia's Application Instructions:
"A Deanís Appraisal form or an equivalent certification
of good standing must be
submitted from each educational institution
where you are currently enrolled in a degree
program; from which you have already earned
a degree; and at which you were matriculated
toward a degree (regardless of whether a
degree was received)."


My 4 years of college was split between 3 schools. I sent in deans certs from all of them? I understood the highlighted passage as meaning that any school attended after high school needed to send in a dean's cert. Was I mistaken? If so, will thus hurt my app?

Well I think matriculated toward a degree means enrolled in a program/i.e. having a major. Columbia's app is way too much trouble in my opinion, it is designed for someone who did all four years in the same school.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Achilles on December 07, 2005, 09:29:10 AM
I just saw the topic-very helpful ! I had a question though. It looks like my academic advisor will be doing it for me, but do the law schools have specific forms I have give to the advisor or can he just write a generic letter ? What should be included this letter ?

Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: lawstudent3 on December 07, 2005, 09:30:20 AM
Those schools that require such a form will have their own form, and will be in the "supplementary forms" section online.  If you're applying by paper, check in the packet somewhere.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wowand135 on December 14, 2005, 10:57:48 PM
 Most of the instructions (except stanford) said to give the dean a self-addressed envelope, so I did. Well now that I have these letters in envelopes addressed to me what do I do with them? insert the whole envelope into another one and send it to the school?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: thescreed on December 14, 2005, 10:59:52 PM
Most of the instructions (except stanford) said to give the dean a self-addressed envelope, so I did. Well now that I have these letters in envelopes addressed to me what do I do with them? insert the whole envelope into another one and send it to the school?

Only if the flap on the envelope is signed so the schools know you didn't open it and look at it. Otherwise you might have to start over.

The way I did it was address the envelopes to the law schools, keeping me out of the loop entirely. It's not only quicker, there is no possibility that I could be accused of tampering with it.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wowand135 on December 14, 2005, 11:01:37 PM
 Oh, I just looked at them. They are all signed :) Why would the instructions on LSAC tell me to do it this way? Is there any way it would still end up being a problem? Thanks!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: thescreed on December 14, 2005, 11:29:20 PM
Oh, I just looked at them. They are all signed :) Why would the instructions on LSAC tell me to do it this way? Is there any way it would still end up being a problem? Thanks!

I don't know, since I never read the LSAC instructions. I read the instructions for my school, and the school gave me a choice of doing what I did or doing what you did. I decided the option I chose was best. Maybe not all schools offer that option . . .
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: amoebalaw on December 19, 2005, 04:11:50 PM
I got my undergrad and grad degrees from the same university. My university has one Judicial Affairs office that fills out all the Dean's Cert forms.

Do I only need them to fill out one form per school (i.e. Brooklyn or Columbia gets one form from my school that covers both my degrees)?

Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: joe2005 on December 20, 2005, 08:37:10 PM
Does anyone know which schools you need a dean's cert from if you've been admitted to Penn and are going?  (Current school, degree schools, matriculated schools, all attended...?)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: pass36 on January 01, 2006, 02:43:24 PM
HELP!!  Are there any London School of Economics alumni/alumnae on here?  I am having a &%$%^ hard time trying to get a "Dean's Certificate" from them.  I have sent the form to the Student Services centre, to the Graduate Dean, to the University of London academic registrar and to the Secretary of the department I studied in.  None of them have returned it, because none of them are "Dean of Students." (There is no bureaucrat like an English bureaucrat)  Except for this stupid form all my app's would have been complete six weeks ago.  I am about to send yet another copy to the Three Tuns and hope some random person fills it out.  Anyone who has been in this situation and found somebody to fill out the form I am going nuts and could use wisdom and guidance!!!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: 01100110011 on January 05, 2006, 11:54:15 AM
HELP!!  Are there any London School of Economics alumni/alumnae on here?  I am having a &%$%^ hard time trying to get a "Dean's Certificate" from them.  I have sent the form to the Student Services centre, to the Graduate Dean, to the University of London academic registrar and to the Secretary of the department I studied in.  None of them have returned it, because none of them are "Dean of Students." (There is no bureaucrat like an English bureaucrat)  Except for this stupid form all my app's would have been complete six weeks ago.  I am about to send yet another copy to the Three Tuns and hope some random person fills it out.  Anyone who has been in this situation and found somebody to fill out the form I am going nuts and could use wisdom and guidance!!!

Most forms I've seen specify in the text that it is to be filled out by dean of students or something like "other administrative officer with access to your records."  Perhaps you can highlight this and emphasize the fact in a cover letter?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: pass36 on January 05, 2006, 10:35:26 PM
Most forms I've seen specify in the text that it is to be filled out by dean of students or something like "other administrative officer with access to your records."  Perhaps you can highlight this and emphasize the fact in a cover letter?

Good idea.  In case anyone else finds themselves in this situation -- foreign school you attended a long time ago -- Columbia and Harvard at least will also accept a form/letter from the school saying they have no way to complete the form.  Hope this helps somebody, then I will feel like it was all worth it!!! OK, not really.... Wow, maybe I am cut out to be a lawyer! 8)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: chombi3 on February 16, 2006, 11:59:22 PM
hey, now that the application part of the season is officially over, does anybody think that this thread can be unstickied?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: sea dream on February 17, 2006, 12:01:58 AM
hey, now that the application part of the season is officially over, does anybody think that this thread can be unstickied?

some of the schools require certification when you're enrolling, so probably not.? like Penn.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: chombi3 on February 17, 2006, 12:05:58 AM
hey, now that the application part of the season is officially over, does anybody think that this thread can be unstickied?

some of the schools require certification when you're enrolling, so probably not.? like Penn.

boo.  i hate these stupid sticky threads (except mail call, of course.)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: MarineSP on February 25, 2006, 06:13:08 PM
on one of the Dean's certification forms, it asks to mark "access waiver"

I waive access to this report. this report must be sent directly by the school completing the form
or
I do not waive access to this report. The results of this questionnaire will be made available to a student who has to agreed to this waiver of he or she enrolls as a student...
Which one should I mark? Why do these mean?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: chombi3 on February 25, 2006, 08:37:36 PM
on one of the Dean's certification forms, it asks to mark "access waiver"

I waive access to this report. this report must be sent directly by the school completing the form
or
I do not waive access to this report. The results of this questionnaire will be made available to a student who has to agreed to this waiver of he or she enrolls as a student...
Which one should I mark? Why do these mean?

waive it.  its just like on your LORs.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: juliemccoy on February 27, 2006, 09:35:25 AM
Just wanted to say thanks for compiling this list! I'm an old alum of my undergrad, but the pre-law adviser at my school was kind enough to speak with me today about law school, and we talked about Dean's Certs and where to take them at my undergrad.

Interesting history-- the Dean's Cert is a hold-over, he said, primarily from the northeast in the days where the Dean actually knew you personally, enrollment was much smaller and the Dean could vouch for your personal character.

Just thought that was interesting and wanted to share. Also-- at my undergrad, the Dean's Certificate for the school you are applying to is actually filled out by the Office of Student Conduct, and not the office of the Dean at your actual college (IE: Arts & Science, Business, etc.)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: riaroso on March 09, 2006, 07:07:22 PM
Can I ask another question?
This dean's certificate, is it only required when you have not graduated from a school you were enrolled in?

For example.  I was enrolled in
-College A (got a AA from them)
-went back for another year to take courses,
-transfered courses to University B
-took online courses from University C while attending University B
-took another online course from University D while attending University B
-transfered courses from University C and University D to University B
-got a BBA from University B


which of these schools, if any, do I need to have a Dean's Ceritifcate from?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wunder on March 09, 2006, 08:48:28 PM
Can I ask another question?
This dean's certificate, is it only required when you have not graduated from a school you were enrolled in?

For example.  I was enrolled in
-College A (got a AA from them)
-went back for another year to take courses,
-transfered courses to University B
-took online courses from University C while attending University B
-took another online course from University D while attending University B
-transfered courses from University C and University D to University B
-got a BBA from University B


which of these schools, if any, do I need to have a Dean's Ceritifcate from?

At the schools I've applied to, they only want one from where you graduated.  But you should check with your individual school - they may have different rules.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Mr. Burnz on March 12, 2006, 07:38:18 PM
BTW, I contacted Columbia and they needed a Dean's Certification ONLY from my degree-granting school.  I took summer classes at 2 other colleges and they said Dean's Certs from those colleges were not required.

BTW, for those who got a Columbia Dean's Cerfication, did the person who filled it out actually use the evaluation form?  I ended up taking it to my advisor who is the head of the ECON department at my school and not only did he fill out good stuff for me in the boxes but he also wrote a mini-recommendation letter about my extracurriculars/resume/etc. (the form asks for an optional "Summary Report") to explain his selections.  It seemed pretty odd that this stuff was asked on the Dean Cert form...but I'm glad he did it for me!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: sacrilegist on April 20, 2006, 06:24:04 PM
I attended two undergrad institutions: 2 years at the first, 2 years at the second.  I obtained a degree (obviously) from the second.  TODAY, Columbia contacted me to advise they need a Dean's Certificate from the first institution.  This is after they told me my file was compete several months ago.

At this point, I am thinking of just giving up  ???
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: anabelle on May 25, 2006, 10:25:52 AM
What about foreign schools?

Stanford's website says they don't require them. Has anyone asked other schools?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: madison07 on June 19, 2006, 07:07:44 AM
This sounds stressful.  Is there a way to get started on it early?  I don't want to be worrying about this in September, you know?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wunder on June 19, 2006, 09:51:39 AM
You can't submit Dean's Certificates until the new applications come out in the fall.  Most schools have procedures for getting these.  You can call around and find out the procedure ahead of time if you want but you can't fill out the paperwork yet.  It really isn't all that bad. 
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: TinaTina on June 29, 2006, 12:42:29 AM
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Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: cbm_flyer on July 07, 2006, 09:50:28 AM
Not sure if this has been addressed...what about those of us who have been out of school for 10+ years?  Hopefully not a dumb question. 

Thanks, ya'll!

~Chris  :)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: fufukid on July 11, 2006, 01:39:07 PM
Just a word of caution about Columbia, because their policy concerning split undergrad is confusing...apparently even to them. 

I was planning on applying ED and was going to be overseas at the time of submission, so I contacted them months in advance to make sure I had all my little ducks in a row.  They replied to me via email that I only needed a Dean's Cert from my degree-granting university.  I had that all set up and had everything in on time...then a month after I submitted my app they sent me an email saying that they hadn't received my Dean's Cert from the university I spent my freshman year.  I explained to them the situation and sent them a copy of the email they sent me.  It didn't matter to them that now I was overseas or that it was their mistake.  They totally refused to consider it complete without the other Dean's Cert.  In fact, they wouldn't even admit that it WAS a mistake, they just said it was a "misunderstanding."  Excuse me, but the email just said in reply "Just your degree-granting institution."  What was I supposed to have misunderstood?  As you might suspect, I won't be at CLS in the fall.    :D    Anyway, don't listen to anything they say, just get as many Dean's Certs as you can!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wunder on July 11, 2006, 05:05:11 PM
Not sure if this has been addressed...what about those of us who have been out of school for 10+ years?  Hopefully not a dumb question. 

Thanks, ya'll!

~Chris  :)

You still have to get them.  The Dean's cert doesn't depend on whether the person filling it out knows you from Adam.  They just want someone to certify you don't have a discipline record.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: cbm_flyer on July 12, 2006, 08:46:12 AM
Not sure if this has been addressed...what about those of us who have been out of school for 10+ years?  Hopefully not a dumb question. 

Thanks, ya'll!

~Chris  :)

You still have to get them.  The Dean's cert doesn't depend on whether the person filling it out knows you from Adam.  They just want someone to certify you don't have a discipline record.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: paigeroo on July 24, 2006, 06:45:02 AM
This Dean certification sucks.  What if you've been out of school for a while do they still require it, or is it just for new grads?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: bass on July 24, 2006, 06:45:35 AM
This Dean certification sucks.  What if you've been out of school for a while do they still require it, or is it just for new grads?

Still required--it's about disciplinary action more than anything.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: madison07 on August 06, 2006, 04:21:09 PM
I double-checked with Columbia and they need one from every single institution where you were matriculated towards a degree.  This means that the school considered you a degree-seeking student; whether or not you were actually planning to earn a degree there is irrelevant.  If in doubt, it's better to be safe than sorry.  It doesn't take long to fill out the form and send it and it only costs you a stamp.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wovst on August 08, 2006, 12:57:08 PM
harvard doesn't have any supplementary forms up on lsac-- when's the dean's cert coming?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: pikey on August 08, 2006, 01:01:56 PM
harvard doesn't have any supplementary forms up on lsac-- when's the dean's cert coming?

It isn't unless you're accepted.  They've changed their policy for this year.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: wovst on August 08, 2006, 01:10:03 PM
harvard doesn't have any supplementary forms up on lsac-- when's the dean's cert coming?

It isn't unless you're accepted.  They've changed their policy for this year.

thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Lilylotus on August 10, 2006, 01:18:07 PM
What if I dropped out of graduate school and never received any degree? Do I still need a certificate from them?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: juliemccoy on August 10, 2006, 01:52:46 PM
Read the school's specific instructions. If it asks for a cert from every institution you ever attended, yes. If it only wants ones from those you have received a degree, no.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: dusya4 on August 11, 2006, 06:59:44 AM
What happens if the school receives your dean certification before the application start period? I sent mine out because I don't know how long it's going to take my undergrad to fill it out and send it back but now I'm worried that it will look bad if the law school receives it before they get my application.

Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: SBToLaw on August 20, 2006, 11:01:26 AM
What about Community Colleges where you received an AA by virtue of finishing the classes required to transfer?  Do you need a Dean cert from there too?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 22, 2006, 01:19:02 PM
What happens if the school receives your dean certification before the application start period? I sent mine out because I don't know how long it's going to take my undergrad to fill it out and send it back but now I'm worried that it will look bad if the law school receives it before they get my application.



I wanna know this too. I'm emailing Columbia's adcomm today with my question.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on August 23, 2006, 04:15:05 PM
What happens if the school receives your dean certification before the application start period? I sent mine out because I don't know how long it's going to take my undergrad to fill it out and send it back but now I'm worried that it will look bad if the law school receives it before they get my application.



I wanna know this too. I'm emailing Columbia's adcomm today with my question.

Okay, they told me that submitting last year's Dean's Cert form might be okay, and that I should do a status check after I've submitted the body of my application to find out. What this means for me is, I'm going to print out a 2006-7 version of the form and send it off to my school's admin now, and just ask to pick it up once it's complete. I'll turn it in with my app.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: jane426 on September 13, 2006, 08:55:56 AM
Looks like Georgetown only wants one if you are transferring into Georgetown from another Law School.  If I am mistaken, could someone kindly point me in the right direction of their Dean's Cert. form?

Thank you All
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: mL4300ic on September 22, 2006, 09:03:29 AM
What happens if the school receives your dean certification before the application start period? I sent mine out because I don't know how long it's going to take my undergrad to fill it out and send it back but now I'm worried that it will look bad if the law school receives it before they get my application.



I wanna know this too. I'm emailing Columbia's adcomm today with my question.

Okay, they told me that submitting last year's Dean's Cert form might be okay, and that I should do a status check after I've submitted the body of my application to find out. What this means for me is, I'm going to print out a 2006-7 version of the form and send it off to my school's admin now, and just ask to pick it up once it's complete. I'll turn it in with my app.
So is it okay to turn in your Dean's Cert forms before you submit an application via LSDAS? I won't be applying until after scores come out for the September LSAT, but I'd like to start the Dean's Cert form process now. I've got all transcripts and rec forms in at LSDAS already.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Electric Counterpoint on September 22, 2006, 09:18:37 AM
What happens if the school receives your dean certification before the application start period? I sent mine out because I don't know how long it's going to take my undergrad to fill it out and send it back but now I'm worried that it will look bad if the law school receives it before they get my application.



I wanna know this too. I'm emailing Columbia's adcomm today with my question.

Okay, they told me that submitting last year's Dean's Cert form might be okay, and that I should do a status check after I've submitted the body of my application to find out. What this means for me is, I'm going to print out a 2006-7 version of the form and send it off to my school's admin now, and just ask to pick it up once it's complete. I'll turn it in with my app.
So is it okay to turn in your Dean's Cert forms before you submit an application via LSDAS? I won't be applying until after scores come out for the September LSAT, but I'd like to start the Dean's Cert form process now. I've got all transcripts and rec forms in at LSDAS already.

Yes. If you're worried, tell the dean that you'll pick up the envelope yourself and mail it in whenever you'd like.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Kailash on September 27, 2006, 03:07:40 AM
Harvard said their requirement of Dean's Certificate is outdated and left as it is on this year's instructions and forms, and that you don't have to deal with it and just skip it.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: maddux31 on October 01, 2006, 08:20:31 PM
Does South Carolina still require a dean's cert? I looked on the application form and there's not one listed there as part of the application.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: 245 on October 04, 2006, 05:16:13 PM
This was asked earlier but not fully addressed: What's the situation with sending in a Dean's Certification prior to applying via LSDAS?

I've got my Dean's Certification ready to send to my UG school, and have spoken with the Dean (they say they will turn it around in just a few days once they receive it). That said, I probably won't be completing my application (to Boston U. in this case) online for another 10 days or so. Is it a problem if the certification arrives before my app? Thanks guys & gals.

Many schools will accept materials in advance of the application as long as all forms and letters are clearly marked with your name, SSN and LSAC numbers.  You should check for each individual school to make sure, though.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Hank Rearden on October 10, 2006, 10:35:36 AM
This was asked earlier but not fully addressed: What's the situation with sending in a Dean's Certification prior to applying via LSDAS?

I've got my Dean's Certification ready to send to my UG school, and have spoken with the Dean (they say they will turn it around in just a few days once they receive it). That said, I probably won't be completing my application (to Boston U. in this case) online for another 10 days or so. Is it a problem if the certification arrives before my app? Thanks guys & gals.

Many schools will accept materials in advance of the application as long as all forms and letters are clearly marked with your name, SSN and LSAC numbers.  You should check for each individual school to make sure, though.

I asked my pre law advisor this question, and she said it wasn't a problem--that if they got the dean cert first, they would just start a file for me.  That being said, if someone screws up, I can always just send it again.  Stay on top of people. 
Title: HOW DO I GET TO THE HARVARD DEAN CERTIFICATE FORM THROUGH THE WEBSITE?
Post by: laalohi on October 15, 2006, 12:38:53 AM
You all made me freak out because I hadn't submitted a cert from the community college I took some general classes from during a summer break.  Here's what Harvard's website says:

The Harvard Law School College Certification is required from each academic institution that has granted or is expected to grant you a degree, and from any institution at which you are currently enrolled in a degree program. You may photocopy the blank form if you need more than one. The form is usually completed on the basis of the schoolís records. The College Certification is not a letter of recommendation, so it is not necessary for the person completing the form to know you. The College Certification requests confirmation of the conferral (or expected conferral) of your degree, rank-in-class (if available), and information about possible academic or behavioral disciplinary actions. School officials who have access to academic and disciplinary records may complete certifications. Each institution is different, but usually a Dean of Students or Pre-Law Adviser Office completes this form.

A school official may mail a completed College Certification directly to the J.D. Admissions Office or may return a College Certification to you in a sealed, signed envelope to be mailed, unopened, with your paper application form (if you are using the paper application form).

Receipt of College Certifications
If your College Certification is sent directly to our office and you would like to be notified of our receipt of it, make arrangements with the school official completing your College Certification to enclose a postcard, addressed and with the proper postage attached, with the form. We will be happy to mail any cards we receive at the time the College Certification is opened.

(from http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/ccs.php)

HOW DO I GET TO THIS LINK ON MY OWN???? I AM ON THE HARVARD LAW ADMISSIONS WEBSITE, PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO GET TO THIS PAGE/LINK ON MY OWN. I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND IT UNLESS I CLICK ON YOUR LINK. THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: FossilJ on October 15, 2006, 06:33:10 AM
Don't know if you still care, but this bit of helpful information should suffice (from that link):

HLS home > admissions > jd


Go backwards through those steps to figure out how they got there.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: laalohi on October 15, 2006, 11:37:53 AM
Don't know if you still care, but this bit of helpful information should suffice (from that link):

HLS home > admissions > jd


Go backwards through those steps to figure out how they got there.


that doesn't work for me because there is no "back" option. i click on "jd" and try all the different options but there's nothing that leads me to that page. i've tried the different application forms, but none of them lead to a dean certificate form. just wondering how to get there because since i can't get there, there might be other things i'm missing. btw, on the lsac application it doesn't really say that harvard needs a dean certificate. i'll just call them on monday i guess.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: FossilJ on October 15, 2006, 05:59:39 PM
You don't need one unless you're admitted and enrolled.  My guess would be that the link cited is an old one.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: juliemccoy on October 16, 2006, 09:41:49 AM
Thank God for online status checkers. Although I submitted a Dean's Cert to my UG nearly 2 months ago, my LS hasn't received it. This prompted a series of phone calls to my UG and, suffice to say, bureaucracies make me crazy, they lost my form and I had to resubmit it to my UG. Thankfully, they were really nice about it and are being very helpful.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: LT_Eagels_1 on October 18, 2006, 03:22:49 PM
I never understood the point of the Dean's Certification.  Most of the deans do not even know the student and are required to write a recommendation on their behalf, which means the recommendation will probably be so general that  the Dean's Certification is just busy paper work.  No point. Waste of time
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: juliemccoy on October 18, 2006, 03:29:38 PM
Concur. Wouldn't any outstanding issues appear on your transcript?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: juliemccoy on October 23, 2006, 10:29:18 PM
Thank the lord that my dean's cert was received today after a 2 month mix-up at my alma mater!!!! To those of you requesting Dean's Certificates-- stay on your UG like nobody's business. It should be a simple transaction-- in my case my UG, despite all of their usual wonderfulness, misplaced it and dropped the ball.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: ginkgo biloba on October 25, 2006, 05:09:25 AM
what are your thoughts about sending dean's certificates even if a school does not require them?  it can only help right?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: juliemccoy on October 25, 2006, 07:37:20 AM
what are your thoughts about sending dean's certificates even if a school does not require them?  it can only help right?


A Dean's Certificate is a document generated by the LS that your UG fills out.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: ginkgo biloba on October 25, 2006, 08:38:09 AM
well, my undergrad's prelaw office writes its own letter/certification and form to the schools i request...the prelaw people said i can send it to whoever i want and that schools are used to receiving them, even if not requested...i'm wondering if there were any downsides to that...if not, why not right? 
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: juliemccoy on October 25, 2006, 09:00:34 AM
I don't think it will make any difference if you send a Dean's Certificate to any of the law schools that don't require it.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: mL4300ic on October 26, 2006, 11:38:35 PM
If you e-mail Columbia or Stanford about whether they got your Dean's Cert Form(s), will they even respond? How about a phone call? I haven't submitted my application yet, but I requested Dean's Certs several weeks ago.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: jd2bee on October 28, 2006, 03:25:03 PM
If you e-mail Columbia or Stanford about whether they got your Dean's Cert Form(s), will they even respond? How about a phone call? I haven't submitted my application yet, but I requested Dean's Certs several weeks ago.

I've emailed both schools with questions, and they've been very responsive.  I also asked, and you can submit the Dean's Cert before your app gets there.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: mL4300ic on October 28, 2006, 08:41:34 PM
If you e-mail Columbia or Stanford about whether they got your Dean's Cert Form(s), will they even respond? How about a phone call? I haven't submitted my application yet, but I requested Dean's Certs several weeks ago.

I've emailed both schools with questions, and they've been very responsive.  I also asked, and you can submit the Dean's Cert before your app gets there.

Thanks. I will get right on this. I e-mailed Virginia 2-3 days ago and haven't heard anything back from them, so I was worried this would be the case at other schools as well.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: deedeeleigh on November 03, 2006, 03:50:22 PM
It's strange--on LSAC, Washington & lee doesn't seem to require one, but on their website application area they say they do. Anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Commie Panda on November 06, 2006, 08:04:12 AM
Forgive me if this has already been covered but I didn't see it in the list--Washington and Lee requires a Dean's form:

http://law.wlu.edu/admissions/page.asp?pageid=305
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: fryman on November 10, 2006, 09:52:22 AM
Just to help people out--

BU and UCONN say that it's no problem if the certification arrives before the application.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: no name on November 15, 2006, 11:29:54 AM
How long, on average, does it take for a DC to arrive at a given school.  I sent mine out on my UG school over twoo weeks ago and I don't believe any of the schools got them yet.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: chewy06 on November 26, 2006, 10:19:47 PM
I got accepted to Richmond last week, and my DC forms are still sitting blank on my desk.

I guess I should submit those or something. :D
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Rooster on November 27, 2006, 12:22:12 PM
Would it be a problem if I fax my filled out forms to my deans office then they fill in what they need to and mail it to the school?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: incontempt on November 27, 2006, 02:07:20 PM
let's start a new list and people can keep adding so that everyone who did research and is still confused could have a list to check with (since calling a bunch of law schools wastes way too much time, esp since they put you on hold and some still have their thanksgiving auto responses on):

stanford
columbia
duke
cornell

anything else in the top 20? anyone? anyone?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Special Agent Dana Scully on November 28, 2006, 08:11:16 AM
let's start a new list and people can keep adding so that everyone who did research and is still confused could have a list to check with (since calling a bunch of law schools wastes way too much time, esp since they put you on hold and some still have their thanksgiving auto responses on):

stanford
columbia
duke
cornell

anything else in the top 20? anyone? anyone?

um...there's a list on the first page of this thread  :-\
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: incontempt on November 28, 2006, 10:24:09 PM
um...that list is apparently outdated (since harvard is still on it)
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: StudentUVA on November 29, 2006, 05:59:44 PM
Add Washington and Lee. Damn them.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: incontempt on November 29, 2006, 08:54:22 PM
awww...that's exactly what i'm trying to avoid. i wanna get everything to the dean's office before i go home for break.

we can add Boston University
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Imelda Marcos on December 13, 2006, 02:24:41 AM
What about any of these schools anyone know?  Will it prompt you somewhere in the application package?

American
GWU
UC Davis
UCLA
USF
USC
Loyola
Denver
Univ CO
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: eyeoftheligrr on December 16, 2006, 08:01:24 PM
I'm pretty sure UCLA doesn't require a Dean's Certificate.  I don't know about the others, though.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: orangie on December 16, 2006, 08:09:30 PM
let's start a new list and people can keep adding so that everyone who did research and is still confused could have a list to check with (since calling a bunch of law schools wastes way too much time, esp since they put you on hold and some still have their thanksgiving auto responses on):

stanford
columbia
duke
cornell

anything else in the top 20? anyone? anyone?

Duke doesn't require one until you choose to attend.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Imelda Marcos on December 19, 2006, 09:49:00 AM
I'm pretty sure UCLA doesn't require a Dean's Certificate.  I don't know about the others, though.

thanks anyone else?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: StudentUVA on December 27, 2006, 07:03:27 PM
Word of warning about columbia. They require a dean's certificate from every school you ever attended (not just where you got your degree).
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: coffeelovin25 on December 27, 2006, 10:10:22 PM
Word of warning about columbia. They require a dean's certificate from every school you ever attended (not just where you got your degree).


*&^%, seriously? how annoying!
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: andyroberts on January 01, 2007, 10:10:52 AM
Apparently Columbia's adcomm, in their cocaine-induced frenzy, is highly paranoid about the truthfulness of your...well, and LSAC's...well, and the degree granting institution's....answers.  Nice.  Mind if I triple my work?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: El_Pesado on January 03, 2007, 05:21:03 PM
Not sure if anyone's said this already, but the University of Southern California requires an explanatory statement from a dean or academic official from your undergrad institution if you were ever sanctioned by the school for whatever reason (academic, etc.). If you were never disciplined, then don't worry.

Also, there's no Dean's Certificate form. You just got to get your Dean or whoever to write something and mail it directly to the law school. This is in addition to your own addendum.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: SamWaterston on January 11, 2007, 12:35:59 PM
If you are a double major at an institution that crosses between two colleges within the institution, do you then also have to get certifications from both deans?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: enkidu on January 11, 2007, 05:29:42 PM
FYI: Washington & Lee requires a Deans Cert to go complete.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: jimfoolery on January 17, 2007, 05:20:51 PM
Will Columbia begin to review your file without a Dean's Cert?  It seems like, of all the materials you need to go complete there, this would be the thing they'd give you some benefit of the doubt on.  I ask because I attended an enormous public school, and I don't live in the state anymore, so I basically have to mail my request to strangers in the bowels of some Orwellian Dean of Students dept. and hope for the best.  I have no way of knowing if they've processed my request or even if they understand what it means, and frankly I have very little faith that it'll get there before the deadline.  If it doesn't, am I just SOL?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: flyaway on January 18, 2007, 05:46:46 AM
Will Columbia begin to review your file without a Dean's Cert?  It seems like, of all the materials you need to go complete there, this would be the thing they'd give you some benefit of the doubt on.  I ask because I attended an enormous public school, and I don't live in the state anymore, so I basically have to mail my request to strangers in the bowels of some Orwellian Dean of Students dept. and hope for the best.  I have no way of knowing if they've processed my request or even if they understand what it means, and frankly I have very little faith that it'll get there before the deadline.  If it doesn't, am I just SOL?

As long as your application is in before the deadline, you're ok, but they will not review your file without a dean's cert, unfortunately.  I attended three schools, one of which is overseas, and Columbia emailed me recently letting me know that they haven't received one of the dean's certs (from a school, which I only attended for a semester!) and that they needed it asap.  So there, the answer to your question.

I just got an email yesterday too.  One of my dean's cert guys must not have sent in the form I sent him?  Or I forgot to write his school on there?  Or something.  Because they got a den's cert that didn't say what school it was from.  And then I'm also still missing one dean's cert because my degree school is taking FOREVER.  I'm going to call them tomorrow if they still haven't sent it (I can see in their online system when they've processed my other requests).
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: oudidntno on January 27, 2007, 05:52:39 AM
FYI: Washington & Lee requires a Deans Cert to go complete.

Yeah, I wasn't too thrilled about that.  Put me a couple of weeks behind on going complete and my LSDAS report (in the notes section) told them the exact same info. they were needing.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: bamf on February 04, 2007, 12:25:15 AM
Not sure if anyone's said this already, but the University of Southern California requires an explanatory statement from a dean or academic official from your undergrad institution if you were ever sanctioned by the school for whatever reason (academic, etc.). If you were never disciplined, then don't worry.


wow.  I feel.  so dumb.
USC is not at all a top choice but I completely missed this.  I attached my own addendum  but never sent any letter from a dean ... It was a very minor thing at a school that I only attended for a semester and when I tried to contact them about it they had no record of the incident happening.  I just said yes to cover my own a$$ in the future.  Well, looks like I should expect a ding from USC.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: idrankwhat on April 23, 2007, 08:42:36 AM
Looks like Georgetown only wants one if you are transferring into Georgetown from another Law School.  If I am mistaken, could someone kindly point me in the right direction of their Dean's Cert. form?

Thank you All

Not sure if my reply is helpful to the OP (so many months after the fact), but for future reference, GULC does require a DC from your degree-granting institution if you decide to enroll.  No link to the form on the website... you'll receive a copy with your admissions packet. 
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: bean22 on May 06, 2007, 10:06:17 PM
University of Washington still requires one (it's called "form b" on their application) from the degree-granting undergraduate institution and any school where graduate work was done.

I also thought I'd add that if you are a UW student, you can submit this form, or others like it, to the Student Affairs Office, 476 Schmitz Hall.

Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: bubDread on June 25, 2007, 07:21:58 PM
I didnt see this on Harvard's app?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: jimfoolery on June 25, 2007, 07:39:02 PM
I didnt see this on Harvard's app?

The OP is from 2005, and hasn't been updated recently.  Somewhere in there people discuss Harvard's policy change, which is to now require the DC only upon enrollment.  You didn't read the thread, did you?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: jimfoolery on June 26, 2007, 09:20:00 AM
::)

no

btw, tecmo bowl KICKS ASS!!  Bo jackson was freaking unstoppable.  The 49ers were the best tho.  There was a play that was unstoppable.

Don't I know it.  It was best to make a "no 49ers" rule when playing with friends so you didn't become infuriated by a 100-yd bomb to Jerry Rice and try to kill each other.  The Eagles and Chiefs were probably the most fun to play with.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: Beurre on June 28, 2007, 10:01:07 PM
Should I send my Dean's certificate now for CLS?
Or, should I send it in September? I suppose that I should get my dean to sign the form and I, not school, should be sending this by mail?


The only problem is that I am now back home, about 20 hours of driving away from my grad school. anyone know if this can be done by fax? I don't need to pick it up in person....?



thanks.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: flyaway on June 29, 2007, 06:59:31 AM
You can definitely do it by mail.  I believe normal procedure (or at least what I did) was have the school(s) send it to Columbia, not to you. 

If I were you, I'd wait until September.  Columbia is not fabulous about keeping track of paperwork, so I'd wait until they have your application and know who the f* you are, when they receive your dean's cert(s).
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: SWATJester on August 06, 2007, 04:21:48 PM
Add Washington and Lee to that list.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: bamf on August 06, 2007, 08:17:59 PM
Do you think I could ask the Dean of Undergrad Advising in my specific college?  I worked with her very closely in a student organization and she also knows of a specific academic honor I received that she would be able to fill out the 'additional info' section at the bottom (I'm looking at Stanford's).

I'm just not sure if this is ideal for the top half of the form since she's not Judicial Affairs or Registration/Records or even the head Dean of the business College.  Would it be inappropriate to have it filled out be two different people? 

this needs to be filled out by one person but it can be anyone who has full access to your school record.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: und3r3stimat3d on August 06, 2007, 08:34:58 PM
columbia doesn't require one this year, which is nice i guess.
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Post by: Whoaz on August 14, 2007, 10:35:31 AM
Anybody got an updated list?
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Post by: ySKhYr on August 20, 2007, 12:32:54 PM
how do you know columbia doesn't require one this year?  did you call the admissions office?
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Post by: The Poster on August 20, 2007, 12:38:10 PM
columbia doesn't require one this year, which is nice i guess.

those bastards.
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Post by: und3r3stimat3d on August 21, 2007, 12:21:26 AM
how do you know columbia doesn't require one this year?  did you call the admissions office?

went to an info session. associate dean said so.
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Post by: OptiJamesJ on August 27, 2007, 08:48:40 PM
I need to get one, dang.
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Post by: TWTW on September 11, 2007, 11:19:50 AM
how do you know columbia doesn't require one this year?  did you call the admissions office?

went to an info session. associate dean said so.

I just called yesterday and the person I spoke to said the dean certificate isn't needed until you are accepted to Columbia. Just FYI
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Post by: drleather2001 on September 11, 2007, 11:53:05 AM
Any idea on how the dean is supposed to fill out the form if they never met you?  I graduated 7 years ago and there is no way that the dean will be able to answer questions like "rate the intelligence of the candidate 1-5."

Stupid, needless form.

Also, can I fax it to the school?  I live kind of far from my undergrad now.  Or should I just mail it?
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Post by: PNym on September 18, 2007, 12:49:18 PM
I've researched the Dean's Cert requirements for the 2008 admissions cycle for the entirety of the T-14, sans HYS, and only Cornell requires a Dean's Cert for an application to be considered complete.

Columbia and UPenn require Dean's Certs prior to matriculation, but do not require them for an application to be considered complete.

However, several schools' admissions staffs have mentioned that they do require Dean's Certs for students who have been thru academic probation and the like. Since I never had these experiences, I did not note which schools had this requirement, so if you have had these experiences, double-check on your own.

HTH
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Post by: drew617 on September 20, 2007, 12:35:18 AM
I assume you meant 2008 cycle?
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Post by: drew617 on September 20, 2007, 12:39:34 AM
Also, am I searching for a Harvard Dean's Cert that doesn't exist?  The OP's list has them included, but I can't seem to find one.  No longer?
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Post by: PNym on September 20, 2007, 02:12:39 AM
I assume you meant 2008 cycle?

Is that how cycles are counted, by the year of matriculation? I wasn't so sure.
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Post by: aestuo on October 12, 2007, 12:57:25 PM
update:
Columbia no longer requires a deans cert. prior to admissions:
http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applicants/faqs/appdocs
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Post by: Tetris on October 16, 2007, 09:00:35 AM
Seems like a good time for a bump...

To be clear, an example of a college would be a certification from the "College of Arts and Sciences," right?  Not from the Dean of the Poli Sci department or anything?
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Post by: whatevamainmc on October 24, 2007, 09:36:44 PM
What if my registar signed all my DCs??
Am I screwed?? do I need to do this again?
I should've been more careful about this but he said he'll
do them for me. (I've known him for a while)
plz law schools, accept my registar's signature!!
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Post by: Pam Beesly on November 06, 2007, 01:26:46 PM
So Harvard's Application Checklist doesn't say anything about a Dean's Certificate. This original thread is old, so do they not require one anymore?
https://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/apply/checklist.php

Yes, I'm aware that's it's a major reach for me, but I'm still applying.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: devilishlyblue on November 12, 2007, 01:53:45 PM
I called.  They said it's post-admission, pre-matriculation.
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Post by: ->Soon on November 28, 2007, 07:33:30 AM
and do you need it from EVERY school you attended, or just the one you graduate from?
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Post by: ->Soon on January 11, 2008, 11:21:31 AM
So for some reason I was under the impression FIU required a Dean's certificate... but now I don't see one.  Am I going crazy?

i looked yesterday and didn't see it required either...
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Post by: Curious George on March 31, 2008, 12:00:12 AM
I'm so pissed about this.

Apparently I had overlooked this on the application (Brooklyn), so I sat incomplete for quite a while before I even knew I was incomplete until I got a letter in the mail.

Then I had to wait another week because my undergrad was on Spring Break.

I wonder how this will affect my chances?
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Post by: bloomlaw on August 10, 2008, 10:25:40 PM
What if I am overseas, and can't get in touch with my UG except by e-mail? How do I get these out? Could I have a friend do it over the phone with all my information?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: gnahzmap on September 01, 2008, 11:21:07 AM
I just checked a few law school websites to verify this list - I believe Columbia now only requires it after you have been accepted and intend to enroll.  Also, I went to the Harvard application requirements site, and it appears as though Harvard does not require this now?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: ClashCityRocker on September 05, 2008, 08:07:01 PM
Columbia now only requires it the Dean's Certificate if you are admitted. (http://www.law.columbia.edu/jd_applicants/faqs/appdocs#97248)
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Post by: rush the rushdie on September 12, 2008, 10:43:00 AM
from what i can tell, the only top-15 schools that require a dean's certification are Stanford and Cornell.  (this is for the current cycle, deadlines in early 2009).
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Post by: redstone on October 11, 2008, 12:01:44 PM
Forgive me if this has been addressed before, but for schools that require this (e.g. Stanford) do we have to submit it for schools we studied abroad at?  My sense is no, but if you have any special insight, please share.
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Post by: dblaamco on October 14, 2008, 12:52:03 PM


Checking with the Boston University site it now appears that they also have stopped requiring a Dean's cert for each applicant. Admitted students are mailed a dean's cert form to be returned before matriculation.
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Post by: sheltron5000 on January 07, 2009, 11:35:27 PM
I'd like to add two things to this discussion:

1. Request these early, like at least a few weeks before you need them. You'll feel really stupid if your application was finished by Halloween, but you don't go complete until after New Years (like me).

2. Several schools also require a Dean's Certificate for disciplinary actions, which I didn't anticipate. In my experience it was Columbia, NYU, Duke, and USC. There are probably others.

Sorry if I'm repeating other people, but this was the major delay in my application process and I think it's really important to think about.
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Post by: JoeShmo on January 13, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
Panicking a little...

Left off from my application something about being put on housing probation freshman year...

Now I have to get a Dean's Cert. If the Dean puts this down, how badly will this screw me?
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: LawDog3 on April 13, 2009, 03:00:45 PM
Panicking a little...

Left off from my application something about being put on housing probation freshman year...

Now I have to get a Dean's Cert. If the Dean puts this down, how badly will this screw me?

Many universities expunge charges after a few years, and the law schools will not find out about those b/c the undergrad university has this in one or two databases at most. Talk to the dean. Check and see if it's still there, negotiate a deal for expungement if it is. If he/she won't deal, withdraw the law school application.
Title: Re: Dean's Certificate FAQ -- PLEASE READ BEFORE STARTING A NEW THREAD
Post by: LawDog3 on April 13, 2009, 03:01:42 PM
from what i can tell, the only top-15 schools that require a dean's certification are Stanford and Cornell.  (this is for the current cycle, deadlines in early 2009).

There are others outside of the top-15...Howard, for example.
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Post by: sheltron5000 on April 13, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
Panicking a little...

Left off from my application something about being put on housing probation freshman year...

Now I have to get a Dean's Cert. If the Dean puts this down, how badly will this screw me?

Disclosure is better. Don't just give up, if they are going to tell you to take a hike for it, find out first, don't just assume. Mostly they just want to make sure you ACTUALLY graduated and didn't hold any professors hostage to do it.

Yes, call your UG and see if it will be on the letter, negotiate to have them remove it but if they don't budge, just call up the school and see what they say. You're gonna have to disclose it for the bar anyway, and most school administrators are reasonable people.
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Post by: violaboy on September 10, 2009, 09:30:09 AM
Duke, NYU and Columbia require Dean's Certifications if you have something to report, but do not supply a form for it.
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Post by: LovingLaw89 on June 05, 2011, 06:55:51 PM
If you had a low gpa at one point, does one need a dean's certification as well?
Is it needed when one is writing an addendum for a low gpa?

(I wasnt on probation and my ug  never placed any sancations or warnings on me)

(1st post :) )