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Applying to Law School => Law School Admissions => Topic started by: !! on November 01, 2005, 08:13:06 PM

Title: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 08:13:06 PM
OK, if everyone else is going to ask their admissions chances, I have to too.  Sorry.  Anybody wanna give me some honest feedback?  Check out my LSN.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me
Post by: KT on November 01, 2005, 08:18:46 PM
the first thing I thought when I saw your post was oh! paula abdul!
but I guess you weren't meaning that...
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 08:21:50 PM
I did that on purpose.  ;)
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: SkullTatt on November 01, 2005, 08:32:03 PM
I can't believe you are posting a "what are my chances" thread! That is for retards.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 08:33:14 PM
Yeah I know.  I'm having a moment of insecurity.  Damn lull.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: SkullTatt on November 01, 2005, 08:35:41 PM
I'm sure LSAC's calculator would tell me your chances were excellent, were I not too lazy to punch in your numbers.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: "Legapp" Stands for "Legal Application" on November 01, 2005, 08:36:14 PM
I know it's really nerve-racking, but it's hard to predict chances based only on the information provided... the extent to which LSAT and GPA are really important vary with each school.  A school that's really trying to push up their rankings will probably emphasize them more, but think about the numerical data.  If a school cares a lot about its median, then half the class must have really high scores, but the rest can get pretty low, since it's not an average (fyi, I heard that someone got into Columbia with an LSAT of 151).

There's a lot of other considerations, including your ps, recs, ec's, work experience, and transcripts (yes, the quality of the classes you've taken will affect your chances).  I've also been told that two admissions people read every application.  I think many posters demean this stuff by calling them "soft factors," but they can make a huge difference.  In your case, the senator internship has got to help.

That said, my prediction would be that you'll be accepted at 9 out of 12 of your schools, with maybe a couple waitlists and one or two rejections.  You seem to have selected a good variety of schools, something I still have to get around to... right now I'm just praying for my top choices  ;)
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 08:36:40 PM
Meh.  It gave me a bunch of middle-ish numbers.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 08:40:35 PM
Thanks, legapp.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: SkullTatt on November 01, 2005, 08:42:04 PM
I think your chances are great, hopefully your apps are really well done and you are able to make yourself stand out in some way.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 08:44:41 PM
Kickass.  Now that I've been told what I want to hear, I can watch Law and Order without stress.   ;D
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: nowayman on November 01, 2005, 09:26:31 PM
Don't like California?

With your Lsat/Gpa combo I'd apply to Stanford and Boalt.

Then again.  I love Cali.

Oh right, answering the actual question...(but since you know about LSN and LSD you most likely know all of this)

Columbia (wl-r)
NYU (wl-70/30% r/in)
boston, cordozo, wm, bu (in)
Cornell (in or wl-r depending on whether you tailored your app to them)
GULC (in)
Penn (in or wl-in if you didn't do the "why penn"  :P)
Ann arbor (hard to say, wl in with essays- r w/o)
Duke (in)

So do I win a prize if I'm 100% correct?  I pulled these guesses out of my... "frontal lobe of guessing."

Good luck.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 09:31:11 PM
Penn (in or wl-in if you didn't do the "why penn"  :P)
Ann arbor (hard to say, wl in with essays- r w/o)

I'm a Michigan resident!  :P

Thanks for the brutal honesty.  Exactly what I wanted.  And I'll look at Stanford.  I had ruled it out, thought it was out of my league.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: nowayman on November 01, 2005, 09:34:41 PM
If you have the soft factors you have a good shot at Stanford.  Your numbers are adequate to get in.  But Stanford has a small JD class so they are notoriously picky about ec, we, and intent. 

But... I recommend it, because you have a better shot at Stanford than I do, and I like Stanford.  Live my dream.  :(
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: Paperback Writer on November 01, 2005, 09:37:16 PM
I'm just wondering why you didn't apply to more of the higher ranked schools?  Why not give the trinity a shot?
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 09:39:42 PM
If you have the soft factors you have a good shot at Stanford.  Your numbers are adequate to get in.  But Stanford has a small JD class so they are notoriously picky about ec, we, and intent. 

But... I recommend it, because you have a better shot at Stanford than I do, and I like Stanford.  Live my dream.  :(

Yeah right!  You've got the LSAT!  I have *&^% for soft factors.  One internship and being gay... that's it.  And I'm not even telling most of my schools the gay thing, just the schools that make tons of noise about diversity.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 09:40:40 PM
I'm just wondering why you didn't apply to more of the higher ranked schools?  Why not give the trinity a shot?

Waste of money.  I'm below even their 25th percentile.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: nowayman on November 01, 2005, 09:45:24 PM
Eh, that means less this cycle than last.  They are switching to Medians for USnews.  They can hide a lsat/gpa or two if they feel so inclined, so long as you help their "standing" with one or the other and they need it.

And I wasn't joking.  I have a slightly higher lsat but you have a better chance at Stanford.  Their fall 2004 lsat was 166-172.  I can pretty much guarantee you that this 25/75 could be higher.  They are the only T6 that isn't completely LSAT centric.  Well, besides Yale. 
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 09:52:18 PM
They are the only T6 that aren't completely LSAT centric.  Well, besides Yale. 

I know what you mean.  I'd love to go to Columbia, but they're total LSAT whores.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: Paperback Writer on November 01, 2005, 10:03:49 PM
I'm just wondering why you didn't apply to more of the higher ranked schools?  Why not give the trinity a shot?

Waste of money.  I'm below even their 25th percentile.

Now, Harvard, I know, accepts people outside their normal ranges all the time.  You don't want to go through life with any "what ifs," now do you?
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 01, 2005, 10:07:00 PM
Now, Harvard, I know, accepts people outside their normal ranges all the time.  You don't want to go through life with any "what ifs," now do you?

Hmmmm.  I'm acceptable.  But I really don't have that pizazz, that moxie, that will get me in.  I'm a middle class white guy who spent college drinking.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: Paperback Writer on November 01, 2005, 10:38:04 PM
Get on LSAC.org and fill out that app!

Right now!

Go, get on it!

Don't come back until you can tell me that your plate is clean!
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: JCD on November 02, 2005, 02:49:15 AM
Now, Harvard, I know, accepts people outside their normal ranges all the time.  You don't want to go through life with any "what ifs," now do you?

Hmmmm.  I'm acceptable.  But I really don't have that pizazz, that moxie, that will get me in.  I'm a middle class white guy who spent college drinking.

My secret was writing a PS about how white males are now the most discriminated against group in society. The adcomms totally ate it up and I was accepted everywhere I applied.*


*disclamer: the preceding statements were pure fantasy
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: jeb240 on November 02, 2005, 04:56:55 AM
If you don't want to apply to HYS then don't.

And if you don't think you're special enough to warrant getting in, then maybe you aren't.

But let's just look at the numbers... for Yale last year, more than a quarter of all the students they let in had an LSAT score similar to or lower than yours.  And your GPA speaks for itself.  I dunno, to me those seem like worthwhile odds.

But them I'm an admissions optimist.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: John Galt on November 02, 2005, 05:31:07 AM
I can't believe you are posting a "what are my chances" thread! That is for retards.

lol...damn, bonkers...everyone has insecurity sometime. But yea, everytime I started a chances thread, I felt dumb.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: jeb240 on November 02, 2005, 05:33:44 AM
I can't believe you are posting a "what are my chances" thread! That is for retards.

lol...damn, bonkers...everyone has insecurity sometime. But yea, everytime I started a chances thread, I felt dumb.

How many times have you done it?
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: John Galt on November 02, 2005, 05:42:17 AM
I can't believe you are posting a "what are my chances" thread! That is for retards.

lol...damn, bonkers...everyone has insecurity sometime. But yea, everytime I started a chances thread, I felt dumb.

How many times have you done it?

i think twice. bleh.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 02, 2005, 05:47:53 AM
i think twice. bleh.

I'd say you're in great shape for any school.  And congrats on the UM fee waiver.  I only got one because I'm a resident.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: Stephon Devante on November 02, 2005, 06:42:54 AM
I also have similar numbers... you guys really think there's a shot at Harvard and Yale for people with such "relatively" low Lsats?

Or would we just be throwing our money away?
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 02, 2005, 06:46:25 AM
I also have similar numbers... you guys really think there's a shot at Harvard and Yale for people with such "relatively" low Lsats?

Or would we just be throwing our money away?

You're looking pretty good with that MBA.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: Stephon Devante on November 02, 2005, 06:47:33 AM
Damn... I hate to spend more money on all this... but those "what ifs".... lol
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: Robespierre on November 02, 2005, 07:38:41 AM
In at all the non-T14s.  In at Michigan and Cornell.  WLs or Rs at all the others.  But WLs may become admits for a lot of people in this unusual cycle (applications dropping and USNWR moving to medians), so you never know.  I think you have a good list, btw.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 02, 2005, 07:48:30 AM
In at all the non-T14s.  In at Michigan and Cornell.  WLs or Rs at all the others.  But WLs may become admits for a lot of people in this unusual cycle (applications dropping and USNWR moving to medians), so you never know.  I think you have a good list, btw.

Thanks for the opinion.  You may have noticed that some people want me to apply to HYS.  Your thoughts?

gute Hauptfaecher

Jawohl!  Ich nehme an, Du studierst Deutsch auch, nö?
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 02, 2005, 08:27:31 AM
Ja, natuerlich. Und Politik.  Wo warst Du im dritten Jahr des Studiums?

Jena, Thüringen.  Hast Du schon mal in Deutschland studiert?
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 02, 2005, 08:31:41 AM
Eigentlich bewerbe ich mich um ein JD/Magister Program, das von Cornell angeboten wird.  Zwei Jahre in Ithaca und zwei in Berlin an einer echten deutschsprachigen Uni.  Du sollst es auch mal erforschen!
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 02, 2005, 08:32:35 AM
Ich war ein Jahr in Berlin, an der Humboldt.

Cool.  Dieses Program, das ich beschreibe, findet an Humboldt statt.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: SkullTatt on November 02, 2005, 10:17:11 AM
You may have noticed that some people want me to apply to HYS.  Your thoughts?

Well, you didn't ask me this, but my opinion is, that's pushing it. Your numbers might be acceptable, but I think people who get into HYS need to have some "wow" factor... the stereotypical, worked with the United Nations to found a program to feed Sudanese orphans, or classical violinist who cut three popular albums before deciding to turn to law.

I say this not to be discouraging, but because it seems to be the case, and I think a lot of people throw themselves at HYS and are just wasting their time unless they can really blow the socks off the adcomms there in some way beyond just numbers. If you are going to apply there, at the very least come up with a backstory that will put you head and shoulders above the typical nameless, faceless numbers applicant.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: Robespierre on November 02, 2005, 11:09:46 AM
I agree with Bonk.  Applying to H or Y would just be donating money to the school so why bother.  I'm an east coaster and know nothing of S but I assume it's the same.  Good luck; you're definitely T14 bound.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: nowayman on November 02, 2005, 11:12:12 AM
H is mainly numbers from what I've read on the ultra reputable and always reliable internet.

Stanford is less so. 
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: !! on November 02, 2005, 12:14:12 PM
Well, you didn't ask me this, but my opinion is, that's pushing it. Your numbers might be acceptable, but I think people who get into HYS need to have some "wow" factor... the stereotypical, worked with the United Nations to found a program to feed Sudanese orphans, or classical violinist who cut three popular albums before deciding to turn to law.

Those were my thoughts as well.  That's why I hadn't applied.

I agree with Bonk.  Applying to H or Y would just be donating money to the school so why bother.  I'm an east coaster and know nothing of S but I assume it's the same.  Good luck; you're definitely T14 bound.

Thanks!  And yeah, that was what I initially thought about HYS.
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: jeb240 on November 02, 2005, 01:25:35 PM
I dunno... if you have the money and the time (and maybe you do not), it just seems silly to me to make the decision for your adcomms.  "You won't let me in."  Not one of us has any actual definitive idea of why some people get in and some people don't.  We are trying to use heresay and "reason" to wade through, but in the end some people will get in and most people won't and we will most likely never know why the chips fell as they did, though we will all theorize.

If you can afford to pay the extra fees and whatever else and don't much think you have a shot anyway, that seems all the more reason to apply.  If you don't get in, which is what you expect, then no surprises.  Yeah, it'll sting at first, but then you'll get on LSD and rant and rave with the other rejects and feel better about it.  You'll go off to your other T-14 and probably stop caring.  And if you do get in, then you got in, you'll start to believe in magic again and you can be that guy... the urban myth lsd newbies will tell for generations to come: the average white guy with somewhat decent enough scores who managed to "beat" the odds.

We do not necessarily know what makes someone "special" in the eyes of adcomms.  I mean, who isn't curing cancer these days?
Title: Re: Straight up now, tell me [what my chances are]
Post by: The Poster on November 02, 2005, 01:36:57 PM
It seems like no matter what numbers someone has or what other factors, most people always feel they aren't good enough or that they are aiming too high. Even the 179/180 people have *some* doubts about say Yale for example. No one ever thinks they are good enough, but it doesn't hurt to try. Heck my numbers are far worse and I'm trying...at least if I ever get any of my essays finished.