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Applying to Law School => Law School Admissions => Topic started by: Ang ziety on January 17, 2017, 08:59:40 PM

Title: Will i get in
Post by: Ang ziety on January 17, 2017, 08:59:40 PM
Hey guys,
So I am considering applying to school or taking a year off. I have a 3.85 GPA with a 159 LSAT. I am planning to retake it. I am just curious if it would be possible for me to get into a top law school with these numbers? I have a great resume, extracurriculars, and recommendations.
Title: Re: Will i get in
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 17, 2017, 09:39:38 PM
Depends on what exactly you mean by "top law school", but if you mean T14, then no, probably not. Your GPA is very good, but average for top schools. Your LSAT, however, is significantly lower than any T14.

Resume, extracurriculars, etc won't make much difference.

That said you can either retake the LSAT and shoot for a higher score, or apply as is. Plenty of schools with good local reputations would happily accept a 3.85/159 applicant, and many will come with scholarship offers.

To an extant, this depends on what you want to do and where you want to live. If you want Harvard and Biglaw, you need to increase your LSAT, period. If you're looking to be a prosecutor in Peoria, a scholarship to a good local school might be just fine.
Title: Re: Will i get in
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 18, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
I think one point higher is a full scholarships at T4 schools.
Title: Re: Will i get in
Post by: Ang ziety on January 19, 2017, 02:47:17 AM
Depends on what exactly you mean by "top law school", but if you mean T14, then no, probably not. Your GPA is very good, but average for top schools. Your LSAT, however, is significantly lower than any T14.

Resume, extracurriculars, etc won't make much difference.

That said you can either retake the LSAT and shoot for a higher score, or apply as is. Plenty of schools with good local reputations would happily accept a 3.85/159 applicant, and many will come with scholarship offers.

To an extant, this depends on what you want to do and where you want to live. If you want Harvard and Biglaw, you need to increase your LSAT, period. If you're looking to be a prosecutor in Peoria, a scholarship to a good local school might be just fine.


^ I am hoping for anywhere in the top 20. UCLA would be a dream. My gpa should be 3.87 by graduation. Would an increase in LSAT by just a few points make a big difference? For example, could I get into these schools with a 162-163?
Title: Re: Will i get in
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 19, 2017, 10:05:27 AM
A couple of points:

Can you get into any top twenty school? Yeah, it's possible if you can increase your LSAT by at least 3-4 points. UCLA's 50% LSAT is 167, so to have a real shot you'd need to really bring that 159 up.

More importantly, I think that maybe you are already making a common mistake. You're focusing on rankings instead of looking at the bigger picture, of which rankings are only a component.

Certain schools are inherently prestigious, and their reputations speak for themselves (Harvard, Yale, etc). There is nothing automatically magical, however, about a school being included in the top 20. Boston U, Iowa and Emory have all been in the top 20, and although they are all good schools, I promise that law firms in LA and San Francisco are not falling over themselves to snatch up Iowa grads.

So, if you have the numbers to get into someplace like Harvard, awesome. You will do great. But if you are trying to decide between Iowa and Loyola-LA for example, and are inclined to go to Iowa because Hey, it's Top 20!, then you need to step back at look at the whole picture.

You need to think about where you want to live and work, what you want to do, how much debt you can handle, etc. If your goal is to be a prosecutor in LA, for example, a big scholarship from Pepperdine or Loyola could be a better bet than a huge debt from an out of state school.
Title: Re: Will i get in
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 19, 2017, 01:11:33 PM
Geographical Convenience is a factor, but a potential trap as well.
Most don't "really" know where they want to spend their lives, and many (if not most) of those who THINK they do would still trade that in for an improved enough situation in life (job satisfaction, wages, etc) or their minds may change as they grow older. (not to even get into "socio-economic demographic changes".....ask former Flint Parents who got tired of their kids getting stabbed in former "nice" neighborhoods)

Its just given too much weight by some is my point. Unless its a non ABA school, it doesn't really matter.