Law School Discussion

Deciding Where to Go => Choosing the Right Law School => Topic started by: LexLawLuther on August 17, 2016, 01:28:54 PM

Title: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: LexLawLuther on August 17, 2016, 01:28:54 PM
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on August 17, 2016, 02:48:07 PM
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 17, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on August 18, 2016, 06:32:44 AM

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

Muahahahaha!

Many law schools have "majors" as options? Really?

So, when I'm on the hiring committee, and someone tells me that they received a JD with a major in corporate law* ... do you think I'm going to laugh, or just toss the applicant's file?

So, moving on from that foolishness (you get a Doctorate in Jurisprudence, not a Bachelor of Science/Arts with a major), let's address your other incorrect points.

Do schools offer concentrations / certificates / gold stars? Of course they do! After all, they need things to put in brochures for impressionable 0Ls. You know, the kind that think, "I wanna be an international lawyer!" Allow me to rank the value of these concentrations / certificates / gold stars in the real world (assuming you haven't been practicing for a while, in which case, who cares what you did in school?)-
1. Class Rank/School.
2. Law review/ Moot court.
3. Trial Team
4. Jobs / Positions taken during 1L and 2L summers
5. RA to Professor, other academic work.
6. Secondary journal.
7. Cool facts about the person, like their middle name.
....
38. Concentration.

I kid, but only slightly. Because these "certificates" and "concentrations" have no more validity than what the school says they have. They are just another thing to on your resume - nothing more, nothing less. And they are almost all a big joke.

Do some schools have better clinics? Sure. Can I think of a school that doesn't offer clinics in criminal law? No. Is this something that someone will easily find out, as opposed to every single school saying they offer "amazing clinics, with hand-on ability to work with actual clients and practitioners!" Nope. Isn't it true that only a small percentage of the student body will usually take advantage of the amazing opportunities, while the vast majority won't- yep (and can you blame some of them- if you're going into transaction work, why the heck do you need a litigation clinic)?

Finally, let's look at the request. Even assuming you weren't wrong (which is difficult, but we're analyzing a hypothetical here), the specific question was directed toward criminal law and child advocacy law. Now, I respect people that can practice in those fields. And while "child advocacy law" is somewhat ill-defined for purposes of the question, family law and criminal law as fields are the two easiest areas to break into, if that's what someone would like to do. I'm not saying that all areas of each are equally easy to get into- the difference between federal prosecution and state public defense is ... not small.

Anyway, to sum up- please don't believe the crud law schools are shoveling at you.



*Except someone with that lack of knowledge wouldn't say corporate law, they'd say M&A, because of course they would.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on August 18, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
Exactly.

The whole "We offer a certificate in Water Law" or whatever, typically means that the school offers two or three classes and (maybe) the possibility of an internship.

I suppose if you wanted to go into child advocacy and took the extra classes offered in juvenile dependency, or whatever they offer, that's certainly not going to hurt you. At the same time, it's not a big deal. An internship with an agency/firm that handles these cases would be much more helpful.

As far as criminal law, go ahead and take trial advocacy and make sure to get an internship with the DA or public defender. That's what you really need.

OP:
I don't know of any specific schools that offer special programs in crim law of child advocacy, but you can take such classes at any law school. The main thing is to make connections in the community in which you intend to work. Both of those fields are heavily govt dominated (DA, PD, County Counsel, etc). Get into a school that has a good local rep, and get an internship.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 18, 2016, 05:44:19 PM
too long and pointless, didn't read............reality remains reality.


If anus hurts too bad to absorb the majors part, focus on the clinics part.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on August 19, 2016, 08:46:13 AM
too long and pointless, didn't read............reality remains reality.


If anus hurts too bad to absorb the majors part, focus on the clinics part.

Awwww... what was your law school major? Was it learning how to find a process server?
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on August 19, 2016, 08:05:24 PM
too long and pointless, didn't read............reality remains reality.


If anus hurts too bad to absorb the majors part, focus on the clinics part.

Awwww... what was your law school major? Was it learning how to find a process server?
you........aren't good at this are you?
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: cinnamon synonym on September 05, 2016, 11:08:52 PM
....someone else isn't very good at this.

Stop giving foolish advice to people.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: cinnamon synonym on September 05, 2016, 11:12:20 PM
...dont take advice from dillweeds like these two trilobites...they are pathetic and misguided.

Just the facts.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: Blockly on January 20, 2017, 11:54:09 PM
Quote from:  link=topic=4030351.msg5414119#msg5414119 date=1471474270
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you about apexatropin (https://www.secrecyfilm.com/apexatropin-review-results) enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

Can you name a couple?
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 21, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

Can you name a couple?
lets just say that loki didn't cite his sources for a reason
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on January 22, 2017, 08:38:21 AM

lets just say that loki didn't cite his sources for a reason

I didn't need to cite sources because it's self-evident to (1) any attorney, (2) anyone in law school, and (3) any one that has a passing familiarity with higher education. It's a /facepalm along the lines of asking, "What was your major in medical school?" You get an M.D., and then you get a residency in a certain area. Well, in law school, you get a J.D. Full stop.

There are schools that like to offer "concentrations" or "specialties" in certain areas. If you do certain required courses (and/or clinics) you can get a nice, wonderful, piece of paper that has no relevance whatsoever. It's not a major. It's the school saying, "Yep, he took some environmental law courses." If you write that you have a "major" in law school on your resume, you will quickly get it discarded.

Once you get your J.D, you could get a Master of Laws (a further graduate degree) in a particular subject. You know- L.L.M in taxation. Finally, you can get a doctorate in law. But "majors" is an undergraduate concept.

That said, given your responses for some time, I have to assume you only troll on legal subjects.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 22, 2017, 09:45:07 AM

lets just say that loki didn't cite his sources for a reason

I didn't need to cite sources because it's self-evident to (1) any attorney, (2) anyone in law school, and (3) any one that has a passing familiarity with higher education. It's a /facepalm along the lines of asking, "What was your major in medical school?" You get an M.D., and then you get a residency in a certain area. Well, in law school, you get a J.D. Full stop.

There are schools that like to offer "concentrations" or "specialties" in certain areas. If you do certain required courses (and/or clinics) you can get a nice, wonderful, piece of paper that has no relevance whatsoever. It's not a major. It's the school saying, "Yep, he took some environmental law courses." If you write that you have a "major" in law school on your resume, you will quickly get it discarded.

Once you get your J.D, you could get a Master of Laws (a further graduate degree) in a particular subject. You know- L.L.M in taxation. Finally, you can get a doctorate in law. But "majors" is an undergraduate concept.

That said, given your responses for some time, I have to assume you only troll on legal subjects.
All I saw was some valley girl attitude rant followed by off topic irrelevant rants about LLMs and the like........still no links to actual majors in the fields discussed..............as expected.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 22, 2017, 02:58:22 PM
Why don't you offer one single link to a law school talking about what "majors" they offer? Julie, is this you again?
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on January 22, 2017, 06:03:48 PM
Ha!

Perfect troll logic.

Claim: law schools totally have majors.

Obvious reality: no, they don't.

Troll response: well, uh, where's the links to the law schools showing they aren't offering what they aren't offering!

In other news, law schools don't offer concentrations in watermelon law. Kinda hard to post that link, because ... wait for it ... it doesn't exist. Like a law school major.

Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 22, 2017, 08:33:46 PM
Ha!

Perfect troll logic.

Claim: law schools totally have majors.

Obvious reality: no, they don't.

Troll response: well, uh, where's the links to the law schools showing they aren't offering what they aren't offering!

In other news, law schools don't offer concentrations in watermelon law. Kinda hard to post that link, because ... wait for it ... it doesn't exist. Like a law school major.

Exactly.

If some dope told me that he majored in crim law, or con law, or whatever, I would literally toss his resume in the trash and tell him to take a hike.

So, French Fries/Tree whatever your name is, where is YOUR link showing a law school that offers majors?
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 24, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
It was to a specific major.......f-ing hell.........
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 24, 2017, 06:05:13 PM
Ha!

Perfect troll logic.

Claim: law schools totally have majors.

Obvious reality: no, they don't.

Troll response: well, uh, where's the links to the law schools showing they aren't offering what they aren't offering!

In other news, law schools don't offer concentrations in watermelon law. Kinda hard to post that link, because ... wait for it ... it doesn't exist. Like a law school major.

Exactly.

If some dope told me that he majored in crim law, or con law, or whatever, I would literally toss his resume in the trash and tell him to take a hike.

So, French Fries/Tree whatever your name is, where is YOUR link showing a law school that offers majors?
you have it in the wrong order you reading comp Einstein
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 24, 2017, 09:44:06 PM
Here's what you said, French Fries:

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

You still haven't given a single example of a law school that offers "majors as options", and you never will. So absurd.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 24, 2017, 10:31:22 PM
Here's what you said, French Fries:

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

You still haven't given a single example of a law school that offers "majors as options", and you never will. So absurd.
ok child........still not  the one in question...............but cooley............start there and dig up, and the "so absurd" thing is just you being ironic on yourself (idiot)
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 24, 2017, 10:34:40 PM
literally just googled "criminal law concentration" and got this

https://uchastings.edu/academics/jdprogram/concentrations/criminal-law/index.php
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 24, 2017, 10:43:38 PM
http://www.law.sc.edu/clc/
https://law.uoregon.edu/images/uploads/entries/Child_Advocacy_Statement_of_Completion.pdf


and similar examples no doubt for health care and other concentrations too, literally just google that *&^%, but since OP was asking for criminal and child advocacy.....there.......spoo n fed half a year latter............

and dear god I hope you don't think school run clinics don't exist too

hot @#!* people, this is like the idiots who post "they only offer the bar exam once a year" since they are too stupid to look to their left and right before crossing traffic

wow
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 24, 2017, 10:45:40 PM
http://www.law.columbia.edu/30-years-family-advocacy

just because, I honestly do suspect you are that stupid
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 24, 2017, 10:47:21 PM
Ha!

Perfect troll logic.

Claim: law schools totally have majors.

Obvious reality: no, they don't.

Troll response: well, uh, where's the links to the law schools showing they aren't offering what they aren't offering!

In other news, law schools don't offer concentrations in watermelon law. Kinda hard to post that link, because ... wait for it ... it doesn't exist. Like a law school major.
dear god I hope you aren't actually handling any cases
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on January 25, 2017, 06:54:25 AM
Ha!

Perfect troll logic.

Claim: law schools totally have majors.

Obvious reality: no, they don't.

Troll response: well, uh, where's the links to the law schools showing they aren't offering what they aren't offering!

In other news, law schools don't offer concentrations in watermelon law. Kinda hard to post that link, because ... wait for it ... it doesn't exist. Like a law school major.
dear god I hope you aren't actually handling any cases

Dear poster formally known as snake,

I know things are tough for you; after all, you did fail the bar exam the first time! But let me tell you something; it does get easier! Really. And luckily for you, after a while, no one will care that you couldn't even pass the bar. But here's the thing; high barriers to entry already exist in our profession. Once you're in, you're set. So relax, and stop trolling those poor people who are just looking for information. 'Kay?

Now, my little special troll, it helps to be able to read, in legal practice, on bar exams, and even in comment threads! A "concentration" is not a major. That's already been addressed. Any practicing attorney who says they "majored" in something in law school will be laughed at, like Maintain and I laugh at you. A clinic is also not a "major." These distinctions are important, because a JD is a certain type of degree that does not allow for "majors." And neither does the ABA (for those who go to accredited schools). So as I already wrote, certain schools will give you a shiny, happy piece of paper for completing bogus objectives, "Look, person who doesn't know better, you can have your pro bono / child advocacy / criminal law certificate!" And, if you would like, you can say that you completed it! Pat on the head for you! But it doesn't mean anything.

But you wouldn't say you majored in child advocacy. I mean, I'm sure you would write that you majored in Pro Bono, but that's just the kind of special that you are!

So we'll try this one more time, shall we? Can you show a single school that has a ... wait for it ... major in law school? You know, for a JD? Not a clinic. Not a special happy certificate made up by the school. Not an LLM program (because that's a different degree, as I already told you, just like I already told you about concentrations).

Go on ... you can do it! I know you can! Make us proud!
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: Maintain FL 350 on January 25, 2017, 08:34:34 AM
It's OK to admit you were wrong, French Fries.

Concentration and clinics (which usually comprise no more than three or four individual classes) are not majors. We know that, you know that, even 0Ls know that. And yet that's the word you used, "major", and that gives me mirth, good sir.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 25, 2017, 02:28:20 PM
gave links as proof, spoon fed, idiots only grasp first long winded ad hominem, and then denial of spoon fed reality

whatever guys

up is still up and down is still down -insert snarky pointless back and forth BS here if desired-
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on January 25, 2017, 02:43:28 PM
gave links as proof, spoon fed, idiots only grasp first long winded ad hominem, and then denial of spoon fed reality

whatever guys

up is still up and down is still down -insert snarky pointless back and forth BS here if desired-

You gave links? Really? Please, help us Obi Wan. Show us the links to the law school majors. Come on now, you can do it! Yes you can. Googling isn't nearly as hard as a bar exam.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 25, 2017, 05:36:39 PM
gave links as proof, spoon fed, idiots only grasp first long winded ad hominem, and then denial of spoon fed reality

whatever guys

up is still up and down is still down -insert snarky pointless back and forth BS here if desired-

You gave links? Really? Please, help us Obi Wan. Show us the links to the law school majors. Come on now, you can do it! Yes you can. Googling isn't nearly as hard as a bar exam.
are you really too stupid to know what synonyms are?
yes, yes you are.

Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 25, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

OP clearly meant concentrations, you f-ing retard
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on January 26, 2017, 06:31:48 AM
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

Let's see. What did you write? You wrote that many law schools have majors, and those that didn't would have concentrations or clinics.

WOAH, dude! It's almost like you have no idea what you're talking about! It's like ... you have a reading comprehension or memory issue.

Did you know that reading comprehension and memory issues make it difficult to take standardized tests? Might have wanted to get an accommodation for that.

Seriously, though. Please stop providing inaccurate information.
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: 🍟💵🌲🍥 on January 26, 2017, 10:40:21 PM
Hello I need help! I want to go into either child advocacy law or criminal law and I want to know if anyone knows of any good schools with great programs for either of these majors? :o

1. There are no "majors" in law school. Just a JD.

2. Any school will teach you enough to go into child advocacy law or criminal law.

3. Do not believe the self-rankings of schools regarding their programs; with a very few exceptions (such as tax law, which you need an LLM for anyway) it doesn't matter at all. Certainly not for those areas.

4. Go to the school the you like, that is the least expensive, in the geographic area that you believe you will practice.

Finally, good luck. Those are two fields that I could never practice in. It's not the law - it's the facts, if you know what I mean.

Not true, MANY have majors as options, and without question concentrations on the rest, and different quality of clinics for options (if any at all in those specific areas)

Let's see. What did you write? You wrote that many law schools have majors, and those that didn't would have concentrations or clinics.

WOAH, dude! It's almost like you have no idea what you're talking about! It's like ... you have a reading comprehension or memory issue.

Did you know that reading comprehension and memory issues make it difficult to take standardized tests? Might have wanted to get an accommodation for that.

Seriously, though. Please stop providing inaccurate information.
your dad molested you as a child didn't he?
Title: Re: Which school to pick for Child Advocacy or Criminal Law??
Post by: loki13 on January 27, 2017, 06:41:08 AM
Poster who edits their name on a regular basis, but I call snake,

You are so perceptive! How did you know- wait, you must have majored in Child Advocacy! That's it, right?

Oh, my unique and special snowflake, you might consider that:
1) There are very few people still posting on the board; and
2) At some point, you might have actual legal questions (like serving process) that you want serious answers to, and this just isn't the best reputation for the few people who still bother.

But hey- your posts, your call!